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The Grace after the Fall: Resilience and Redemption in Leadership

What happens when Christian leaders fail?

In this essential episode of the Christian Leadership and Resilience Podcast, hosts Romeo Chaer and Christina E. Agaibi tackle the uncomfortable truth: falling down is an inevitable part of the journey—but it is not the end of your story.

We dive into the profound topic of grace, resilience, and redemption, exploring how setbacks and failures are actually steps on a ladder toward spiritual and professional growth.

Inside this episode, you will learn:

  • Biblical Examples of Comeback: Powerful lessons from the scriptures, including the falls of Jesus under the cross, David's repentance, and St. Peter's denial and eventual powerful rise.
  • The Power of Humility: Romeo and Christina share personal, raw stories of navigating "free fall"—from major business loss to unexpected life transitions—and the moment God revealed immense mercy instead of judgment.
  • Actionable Steps for Recovery: Practical advice for leaders on how to move forward, including the necessity of stepping back, shedding pride, acknowledging mistakes, and rectifying the path forward.
  • Endurance vs. Comfort: Why the "comfort zone" is the most dangerous place for growth, and how to build the muscle of endurance to make the extra mile in your faith and leadership.

Join us to learn why you should celebrate your fall as much as your success, and how to bounce back stronger, fortified by God's unwavering grace.

Lead fearlessly, serve humbly, and rise strongly in faith! 

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Welcome to the Christian Leadership and Resilience Podcast, where faith meets leadership and resilience is more than just a mindset. It's a calling. I'm Romeo Char. And I'm Christina Gebe. And we are here to guide you through real conversations that equip you to lead fearlessly, serve humbly and rise strongly, no matter the challenges ahead. Every episode we dive into stories, principles, and practical tools rooted in scripture and lived experience to help you grow as a Christian leader.

Christine Agaibi - Caresilience:

Hello, and welcome back to our wonderful Christian Leadership and Resilience podcast. Today, Romeo and I come to you to talk to you about another important topic related to resilience, leadership, and of course, our faith, Christianity. Today we're gonna talk about an important topic called the grace after the fall, resilience and redemption in leadership, because of course, what happens when leaders fail. Sometimes, a lot of times we may actually fall backwards and even feel like we are failing, but in this episode we're gonna talk about grace and how Grace restores us and restores us to bounce back with God's will after the fall. And so we will hear some stories from our own personal experiences as well as of course, biblical examples about how people came back in the scripture. And this is going to be a lovely discussion. I am sure. Romeo, why don't you start us off and we'll go back and forth.

RomeoElChaer.com:

That's a very interesting subject. Uh, Christine. It's really, and we need it because we, during our lives, we have a lot of challenges that we go through and a lot of hardships, uh, as you know, at, at every phase of our age. even like we are at school, we are kids, we are, uh, you know, adults or parents or business owners because, you know, we went through all this and we still, and sometimes we just. We have to, sometimes we fail or things work out as we, we, we, we wish we wished, but okay, what's next? What, what, what we gonna do? And that's where, where resilience for me all about, you know, rising. about. This, this comeback, you know, and there is a methodology, there is steps that's to be taken so we can reach to come back and thrive again. Because, you know, falling or failing a dead end actually. It's kind of a ladder, it's step on a ladder. So we need those steps so we can keep climbing and succeeding in life because without. Without the faults, without the fails, we cannot learn. So instead of taking those failures obstacles and setbacks, they should be taken as opportunities to learn and to grow. So we can not only we gonna learn from them, but also the people that follow us as leaders. They also need to see that this, this is life. And, um, and this is where I, I, I, you know, the, when I just was thinking about the topic and how to approach it, the only thing that with all the, uh, scriptures that, that it was there, the only thing that really, like, I was like seen like so bright in front of me, like, the fall under the cross? That is something that we keep forgetting. You know, even our Lord Jesus Christ, he fall three times, but still he took his cross and kept moving. Even he needed support, so God gave him the support. The third, after the third fall, he had someone that helped him and

Christine Agaibi - Caresilience:

Mm-hmm.

RomeoElChaer.com:

given to him. So, but what happened later on, he, he rose from, and, and, and he changed the whole thing. So that for me it was like, god. You know, that's a huge lesson that we, we, it's in the Bible. it's out there. And we keep forgetting that our greatest leader already had his own fault. And we need to understand that fall is part of our lives. It's part of the story. It's part of being who we are, so we can just become should be. So it's, it's just amazing. How about you, Christine? How do you see it?

Christine Agaibi - Caresilience:

I think that it is inevitable that we're going to fall. We, um, live in a world that is broken at times and have many challenges. At times. It is inevitable. I think that we're gonna fall and we have to learn. With resilience, obviously with our faith, um, to suffer. Well, to get back up, there's a verse in Proverbs that talks about falling seven times and getting back up eight. So it doesn't matter how many times you fall, you have to stand up one more time than the many times that fall. The examples that come to my mind from the Bible is very human examples of. David the prophet who was chased and hunted by Saul for many years. Obviously we know his, his great sins, but from those he repented and he learned and he returned back to God and asked for support and guidance. And God gave him times of stability and calm and peace because he did not let his ego get in the way and he was able to. Repent and ask for guidance in those situations. The same with St. Peter in the New Testament. How many times did he fall? He fell trying to walk to Jesus on the water and he doubted and he fell through, but God didn't let him drown. Of course, Jesus didn't let him drown. Um, there is many ups and downs. He denied Christ, um, near the time of the crucifixion. And then he ended up, you know, preaching to 3000 people that got saved. So there's a lot of these examples of. Ups and downs, ups and downs, like a yo-yo up and down in the Bible. Um, but ultimately I think that we, in those moments, we have to become humbled and surrender to God and ask for. What is your direction, Lord, where do I need to go with this? Um, and to, to pause in those moments and not let those moments be I'm either gonna sit here in my fall and not get back up, uh, or I'm gonna be, you know, prideful and not ask God for help. Those are two, I think, extremes that people can take when they fall, but it should be a humbling pause, reflection type moment, um, to help us identify what happened here. And then where to go from here. Taking God obviously in the lead, um, and getting back up and trying again and understanding. That this situation does not have to be where things end. But again, how do we suffer? Well? How do we take lessons from this situation and grow and learn? And I know every hardship that I've had in my life, I have really tried to turn it in that direction to pause, to reflect, to learn, and to grow. Isn't that resilience, flexibility, adaptability, learning, growing, moving forward, on and on and on in the cycle over and over.

RomeoElChaer.com:

That's the power of growth. It's always happening like that. And,

Christine Agaibi - Caresilience:

Yes.

RomeoElChaer.com:

you just open, uh, the eyes on so many things in the Bible that really reflect, uh, the fall is part of everything because, you know, look, look how the growth of Christianity is around the world. from just, it's all over the place. And that message that. that it was supposed to go down and faded by time it's just getting stronger and it's getting more, uh, attention and people are, start understanding it even more. And all religions, not only the Christians I'm talking about,

Christine Agaibi - Caresilience:

Mm-hmm.

RomeoElChaer.com:

You know, even, even when I think about the apostles, when they were, when they were in the attic, they were afraid there was that, that's the, and it's, it's, we are doomed. They cannot come for us any moment. So they were hiding that

Christine Agaibi - Caresilience:

Yes.

RomeoElChaer.com:

the Lord came and, and the spirit kicked in and just the Holy Spirit move, things, shuffled, everything. So it's, it's kind of, you know, the fall is not to be taken by ourselves alone.

Christine Agaibi - Caresilience:

Mm-hmm.

RomeoElChaer.com:

to understand and, you know, kind of being humble

Christine Agaibi - Caresilience:

Yes.

RomeoElChaer.com:

that, okay, this fall, so what's next? And it's okay to ask for some support because we, uh, in tribes, we don't live, uh, separate and in, in, in isolated prison or isolated world. a lot of way we, we can get support. But,

Christine Agaibi - Caresilience:

Hmm.

RomeoElChaer.com:

it's just the way that you can see in, in the Bible that how many people died, how many people were sacrificed, how many people they just, uh, lost their lives. And they were, were smiling and some they

Christine Agaibi - Caresilience:

Mm.

RomeoElChaer.com:

a lot, but still, I can't understand how they were able to stand on like foot on their faith. I don't know.

Christine Agaibi - Caresilience:

Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

RomeoElChaer.com:

And I don't want to be there. And it's just, it's a horrible situation, but I don't know

Christine Agaibi - Caresilience:

Mm-hmm.

RomeoElChaer.com:

does that. They give all the

Christine Agaibi - Caresilience:

Mm-hmm.

RomeoElChaer.com:

and, you

Christine Agaibi - Caresilience:

Mm-hmm.

RomeoElChaer.com:

the Roman Empire, when they start putting Christians out there and sending all the beasts. To devour them alive with their kids families. I don't want to be dramatic, but I can be there. I don't know how this happened, how they were just kept this faith up to the level die for it. That's, that's a huge fall. But at the same time, up to heaven. So, this is where I remember just. Um, you know, when I was doing great in 2006, 2007, I had my seven figures business and was doing great and, and then the recession happened and it, it hit, it hits bad, and all the business was lost. And from seven figures to, to nothing. So, and that was a fall. It took me from 2008 to 2012 to admit fall. I was trying to, you know, it out, rely on my strengths, my education, my whatever. I have gift. I had gifts, but the fall was a fault. But I didn't

Christine Agaibi - Caresilience:

Internet.

RomeoElChaer.com:

accept the fall. I didn't, I just used my pride. To keep going. And what's happening is like you are in a, in a, in, in the, in the sand, you know, you keep trying to come out, but actually it's, you're making, you're making yourself to go down even further because the more you fight fall, the more it's gonna be, the gravity will pull you down. It's

Christine Agaibi - Caresilience:

Yes.

RomeoElChaer.com:

it's, when I realized that, wait a minute, everything I had is from Jesus Christ. Everything is given to

Christine Agaibi - Caresilience:

Mm-hmm.

RomeoElChaer.com:

It was by God and it was taken from me. Because I, so busy in life and making money, and I

Christine Agaibi - Caresilience:

Mm-hmm.

RomeoElChaer.com:

not making, give attention to God more enough to, to have the, to understand that the source of life and source of joy and source of everything in my life and everything that I had, it was from him. So I was kind of deviating. I was, you know, going on a different path. I didn't do anything wrong, but I was not focusing on God. And it took me four years to understand that God said, God is everything. And when I was really in a free fall, Christine free fall, and then

Christine Agaibi - Caresilience:

Yeah.

RomeoElChaer.com:

revealed himself to me and I saw how tiny I was and how immense God is, what I saw, it's not that extraordinary power. I saw that immense mercy. That's where I, like, I had tears in my eyes. I was crying like a baby. And that's when I realized that, yeah, I, I, I failed somewhere, or let me say, as a leader, I had my own fall because something bigger than myself, but. I got, I was risen through God revealing himself to this. To me, that was very humble from God, the leader, and that's something that I can never forget. I still live on that moment I'm still giving my life to God in that matter. And this is amazing. Uh, I, I cannot, I can talk forever about this, but this was my

Christine Agaibi - Caresilience:

Yeah.

RomeoElChaer.com:

How about you? Where, where, where do do you, where do you, you can share with our audience, like you, you, one of your faults or fail, then it, then you, you risen after that.

Christine Agaibi - Caresilience:

Yeah. Um, so obviously we talked about this earlier on. The, the biggest loss I had was when I was young and I lost my dad and had to leave everything behind where we were living and to completely start over. And oftentimes when people have a loss, not everything changes at once. And for me, everything changed at once. My friends changed my church. Changed my state, changed the places I like to eat or go with my friends. Everything changed overnight. Even my friends had to change overnight'cause I had to move. That wasn't quite a failure, obviously that was God's will to, to take my dad when he did. Um, but there were other many, many other d difficult losses. Um, and I liked the word that you used was free fall. And I remember when I graduated with my undergraduate degree, it was in biology and I had decided not to. Go to medical school. A lot of people my age were going to medical school and I said, there's something different here. This is not fitting. Me. Um, and this is not fitting what, I don't know where I need to go, but this is not fitting what I think God wants me to do. So I graduated with that degree and pondered for a year or more than a year about what I should do. And, um, it didn't go to graduate school for almost a year and a half. Uh, almost two years later, um, about two years later, I would say. Um, and in that two years it was really free fall because a lot of people my age were either in graduate school or were working and I was working, but I still didn't know what I wanted to do as a career. So when I finally did go to graduate school, I knew that it was the right place for me to be. And so. Even though we think it is free fall, and even though other people may be questioning your decisions or questioning, you know, why isn't this person doing this? Or why aren't they doing that? It is truly important to, to trust God in those moments. And to trust your instinct, which is the Holy Spirit. Because in the moments of free fall, the only person that's going to catch you is God. The rest of the people around you are gonna talk about you or they're, you know, they're gonna gloat or something. And I love this verse from Micah 7 8, 1 of my favorite verses, do not rejoice over me. My enemy, when I fall for I will Rise. When I sit in darkness, the Lord will be a light to me. And so a lot of people like to to gloat. When you are in free fall, some people will come and support, but that number is small. The rest will free fall will allow you to free fall or will question your instincts, will try to silence you or quiet you. You have to listen to those instincts intently. Um, I do believe that that is God speaking to you and redirecting your path.'cause oftentimes failure or rejection is a redirection. I have a good friend that tells me that all the time. It is not a failure. It is a redirection, and God is trying to put you on the right path that you should be on and slowly nudging you in that direction, and you won't often recognize it unless you have fallen.

RomeoElChaer.com:

Yeah, we are stubborn creatures. We don't admit it, like we hit the wall over and over and over. It's like, just move, stop hitting the wall. You

Christine Agaibi - Caresilience:

Yes.

RomeoElChaer.com:

And that's, that's something we, I encountered myself a lot in my life.

Christine Agaibi - Caresilience:

Mm-hmm.

RomeoElChaer.com:

even that, I realized this at this age, but still sometimes I, believe me, I'm still that stubborn young kid that sometimes pop up and, you know, I'm gonna do it that way. That I said, why, why I'm doing this again. That's the wisdom that I had in my life. So I thank God for that. you

Christine Agaibi - Caresilience:

Yeah.

RomeoElChaer.com:

after all this that we both shared, just want to, um, you know, adjust to the leaders out there and that based on the. Not only personal experience, but also as a professional experience because, I've been, uh, I had my own course being an as a, uh, quality management consultant. So I was dealing with people and at work and I was coaching them, even though I didn't know at that time that what this was coaching. Uh, so, um, and you know, there is a lot of change that happens. And, uh, for that, there is few steps that I can just summarize for the leader what to do when there is a fall or there is a fail. And the first thing that can say it just to step back, don't keep going the way you are, you're heading, step back a little bit so you can just take a breath, see what's what, what's going on. Like, oh, wait a minute. Something happened that it shouldn't happen. So we need to step back a little bit to start realizing the situation and, reflect on it. if we keep going with the fall, it's like, as I said before, it's gonna be like the gravity will pull us down. So as leaders, and we have people that follow us, we cannot take them all and dump them into a hole and then, oops, sorry guys. So we need to step, stop and step back a little bit and then this is, this the tough part. We need to be humble because if our pride keep, it'll keep, keep us forward and that's, it's not healthy in situations where there is a fall or a fail. It's an issue. And by being humble, that means we need to accept that, okay, we did something wrong or something went beyond our expectations. that way when you start, when you step back a little bit and you have this humble thinking and accept or acknowledge the fault, you can face the fault. Instead of dragging with everything behind you, until you, I'm gonna figure this out while doing it, you won't. It's gonna be very hard and it can get into a very severe consequences. And the fall become like really big one not only you. And, and it's gonna be gonna people dragging behind you. They are following you because a leader that he has a followers.

Christine Agaibi - Caresilience:

Mm-hmm.

RomeoElChaer.com:

So, uh, based on these two, you step back and being humble. Address the problem, you can take measures. You can make the changes you can start building the foundation or the structure so you can move forward. Otherwise, you're gonna be, you know, roaming and you're gonna be nowhere like digging your own hole. And that's where the comeback will come. You rectify the problem, you solve it, or you just do what it takes to just move on it. And it's okay to admit a mistake'cause

Christine Agaibi - Caresilience:

Yeah.

RomeoElChaer.com:

leaders do. have to be responsible their acts or their decisions. So it's fine. You're gonna be, actually, when we do this, we're gonna be more And if for some reason we were not. That means you're in the wrong place, so don't put it on yourself. Just move, because that's not the

Christine Agaibi - Caresilience:

Yeah.

RomeoElChaer.com:

be in. Because leaders, they should be recognized and acknowledged by taking hard decisions. Whatever it is. If it is a pleasant one, success or a fall, that's what makes the leader a leader. And if people, they cannot accept that leadership spirit. That means you're in the wrong place. So don't be hard on yourself. And finally, after all that, that's where the rise and thrive will be, and that it'll be in action people behind you will see wow, that's, you know, you need, you need guts. A lot of guts to just take such decision and acknowledge a mistake. But that's what makes a leader a leader instead of hiding behind his mistakes, acknowledge the mistake. And do what needs to be to be done. So to overcome that and keep moving forward.

Christine Agaibi - Caresilience:

Absolutely. Like you're saying that acknowledgement is a hard, hard part, but is an essential part to being able to, uh, move forward. As you were talking, I was thinking about a couple of other things, which is sometimes we. Want to stay where we are comfortable and we don't want to move in another direction after a fall. We're so stubborn, like you said, and this place is comfortable and familiar and if I, you know, go somewhere else, it's gonna be uncomfortable and I have to start over. But again, that's part of resilience and again. We are being nudged to go towards our purpose. And like I was saying a few minutes ago about the story of waiting to go to graduate school for a year and a half, um, which was different than my peers at the time. It was definitely the smart decision. I've now been in this field for 25 years and I, um. Really waited to listen to the nudging from God to move in that right direction. But if I had stubbornly held on to where I should have been, which is in medical school, I'd be in a different path completely, um, right now. So sometimes it's okay to pause, even if it's for a while, to, um, really learn and discern what God's vision is for us. And good leaders, listen. They don't just, um. You know, take over a situation or, uh, make sure that they don't listen to their, uh, to the people that are with them. Good leaders listen and are listening first to God, who's leading them, and then they can lead other people. Uh, but if you stubbornly stay, this is the way it's going to be. You're not gonna move in the right direction where you need to go. The second thing I would say is that we need to examine our strengths and a lot of the scientific strengths that we talk about actually overlap with. Um, a lot of the fruits of the spirit, the fruit of the spirit, I should say. And, um, part of the fruit of the spirit is long suffering. So sometimes we have to, the answer may not come in 24 hours or in, in, in a month even. We have to be long suffering and perseverant and listen and try. And see what has worked for me in the past, how have I gotten through difficult situations in the past. And there's even a little bit of resilience research, uh, scientifically on that, that we can examine our past, uh, experiences and see how we escaped vulnerabilities in the past and use similar tools and similar strength. Uh, how did we overcome weaknesses? How did we overcome obstacles? How did we come over? Overcome challenges or even difficult people that are trying to put obstacles? Looking at those past history and applying it to current situations has even been talked about in the resilience literature and research. So there's many things that we can do here, but I think the first thing is to stop being stubborn, like you said, and to. Let go and surrender and accept that this situation is happening, but also listen to that intuition, that Holy Spirit, God's direction to move you in another direction while still using the strengths that are also God-given.

RomeoElChaer.com:

You know, as a life coach, when you mentioned the, the being comfort, that's

Christine Agaibi - Caresilience:

Mm-hmm.

RomeoElChaer.com:

the comfort zone.

Christine Agaibi - Caresilience:

Yep.

RomeoElChaer.com:

it. That is the most dangerous zone. And because

Christine Agaibi - Caresilience:

We don't grow there.

RomeoElChaer.com:

No,

Christine Agaibi - Caresilience:

We don't grow there.

RomeoElChaer.com:

we are hiding

Christine Agaibi - Caresilience:

Yeah. We're hiding there.

RomeoElChaer.com:

Just a

Christine Agaibi - Caresilience:

Exactly.

RomeoElChaer.com:

closet. We are sitting there and, oh, I'm comfortable.

Christine Agaibi - Caresilience:

growth.

RomeoElChaer.com:

No, nothing happens there. And that's the problem.

Christine Agaibi - Caresilience:

Yeah. Mm-hmm.

RomeoElChaer.com:

where people like, they hide in their jobs. They hide in their, you know, in a wrong relationship. They go, they stay there. They don't go because they are used to that. And that's the danger because they think that it's gonna be worth worst. And actually, it's not always that thing. It's they, these are, you know, very specific cases that things doesn't work out. But it's not the general case, but people, because we are human and we adapt sometimes to to situations, and we think that this is better than what I don't know, like it's better to get used to what I know, what I don't know. normal because the critter mind will always pull us back from changing, from moving forward because hey, stay there. You know, you, you, you don't know what's gonna happen. You know, like even procrastinating that comes from there. Like, I don't wanna make money. Yeah.

Christine Agaibi - Caresilience:

Yeah.

RomeoElChaer.com:

look,

Christine Agaibi - Caresilience:

Yeah.

RomeoElChaer.com:

take that example when people like they are on the edge to make a breakthrough,

Christine Agaibi - Caresilience:

Mm-hmm.

RomeoElChaer.com:

and make breakthrough in their business, for example. So they're gonna have, you know, they're gonna make money.

Christine Agaibi - Caresilience:

Mm-hmm.

RomeoElChaer.com:

are afraid subconsciously from that move because, okay, if I make money then I'm gonna be rich, so I might lose some friends, or I might gain more friends. So that will change the situation. And people, you know, the critter mind will get afraid from that. So it's somewhere it can sabotage even the success at

Christine Agaibi - Caresilience:

Yes.

RomeoElChaer.com:

This is a scary, that's the

Christine Agaibi - Caresilience:

Mm-hmm.

RomeoElChaer.com:

Danger. It'll just. It's just subconsciously you're gonna step back and not doing that step that can make change your whole life because of things that your critter mind will say, no, stay

Christine Agaibi - Caresilience:

Mm-hmm.

RomeoElChaer.com:

do this. You are gonna lose those, the one you love, you're gonna do this. You're gonna get new lifestyle. And that can be scary. So

Christine Agaibi - Caresilience:

Mm-hmm.

RomeoElChaer.com:

Don't fall behind that wrong thing. It's not wrong, it's human. But if you are aware of it, think about it. And then you can, you know, we can just figure this out if we start seeing it. And you mentioned about, you know, uh, perseverance and all that thing, and was, uh, the, the, the one word popped up, it's about the endurance. know, when we

Christine Agaibi - Caresilience:

Yes.

RomeoElChaer.com:

the trials, it's training ourselves to, to endure. Doing things, and that's

Christine Agaibi - Caresilience:

Mm-hmm.

RomeoElChaer.com:

can make the extra mile.

Christine Agaibi - Caresilience:

Mm-hmm.

RomeoElChaer.com:

endurance to do, to do the extra mile. You need those muscles and you need to train them. And that's the same thing for the, for the brain. For for, for, for the spirit, for everything. You need to train them to stretch them so you can make a growth. You cannot get a bigger muscle. If you don't trade hot and hot in the gym. You cannot get it by sitting on the couch. You have to go and move, do something about

Christine Agaibi - Caresilience:

Mm-hmm.

RomeoElChaer.com:

So it's the

Christine Agaibi - Caresilience:

Mm-hmm.

RomeoElChaer.com:

about our lives as leadership spirit. Uh, and to be resilient, we need to understand that we have to acknowledge all what happens in our lives, good stuff and the bad stuff, because that's what make the, the secret mixture for success. You

Christine Agaibi - Caresilience:

Totally.

RomeoElChaer.com:

a PhD. Christine, you have you. You worked hard for that, and that didn't came by like overnight, but your graduation came overnight, but that it had a lot of suffering, learning, just so many things went along so you can get that success uh. That's, that's, that's what makes everything, you know, beautiful about understanding that the fall is for our good thing. It's not against us. It should be us to make the growth, to make the change, to build that resilience, uh, leadership spirit so we can move on in our lives and move others with us respectfully. uh, with all that, you know, to be proud of it. Not to be, you know, uh, feeling that, oh, I failed. No. and celebrate your fall as you celebrate your success, because that's when it's gonna take you to a bigger success.

Christine Agaibi - Caresilience:

Absolutely. I was thinking when you were talking about endurance, how much like an Olympian goes through to compete for an hour, half an hour,

RomeoElChaer.com:

Yeah.

Christine Agaibi - Caresilience:

you know, and even sometimes they don't win the gold medal, but they win. Just in the journey and the process. Of getting to the Olympics, even if they don't even get to the Olympics, even if they get to a qualifying round. But the journey of how they grew to get to that level and that point, and to persevere. And again, we talk about from the Holy Spirit long suffering because the journey is what makes us grow. It's not even just the destination, destination or not. You're gonna fall along the way. You're gonna get back up, you're gonna learn a different way, trial and error. And through that growth, you are actually succeeding. And, and learning and doing it better next time and next time and next time as you get closer and closer and closer to your goal. Um, so even if you don't get to the goal at the first time, or even the second time or the 10th time, just that process helps you to grow. And resilience as we're talking is a. Lifelong muscle to grow so that when you look back at your life, you're like, wow, I came a long way by the guidance of the Holy Spirit, and where was I? And where am I now? And that growth is essential. Um, as again, we've seen from David, the prophet and St. Paul, and, and in all of those people that have stretched themselves by keeping to try and try and try again. It's the journey. It's not just the destination.

RomeoElChaer.com:

I can't agree more honestly. It's just, it's all about the journey and um, wow, that's a. Lot. That's, that's the beautiful Christine. It just, you know,

Christine Agaibi - Caresilience:

Yeah,

RomeoElChaer.com:

I can't stop about thinking about all the trials that I had in my life and the trials you

Christine Agaibi - Caresilience:

me too. Mm-hmm.

RomeoElChaer.com:

how we are just putting this, like laying it down on a table in front of every, everybody and being proud about our failures as we are proud about our success, because the success comes from failing a lot. Not just to see the half the full, the empty half of the cup, but

Christine Agaibi - Caresilience:

Mm-hmm.

RomeoElChaer.com:

have the empty half, you wouldn't have the, the full half. So that's what we, we need to just, uh, keep in mind we can

Christine Agaibi - Caresilience:

Mm-hmm.

RomeoElChaer.com:

moving forward and not to get a

Christine Agaibi - Caresilience:

Mm-hmm.

RomeoElChaer.com:

and fall apart if we got

Christine Agaibi - Caresilience:

Mm-hmm.

RomeoElChaer.com:

or a fall

Christine Agaibi - Caresilience:

Mm-hmm.

RomeoElChaer.com:

in our spiritual

Christine Agaibi - Caresilience:

Mm-hmm.

RomeoElChaer.com:

in our professional or personal lives

Christine Agaibi - Caresilience:

Mm-hmm.

RomeoElChaer.com:

life

Christine Agaibi - Caresilience:

Mm-hmm.

RomeoElChaer.com:

we have to pull ourselves and keep moving forward so we can reach

Christine Agaibi - Caresilience:

Yeah.

RomeoElChaer.com:

destination

Christine Agaibi - Caresilience:

Mm-hmm.

RomeoElChaer.com:

being a lawful. Citizen and lawful Christian because we live in both worlds. This one and the coming one. So we can

Christine Agaibi - Caresilience:

Yeah.

RomeoElChaer.com:

uh, lawful to our faith and to our God.

Christine Agaibi - Caresilience:

Yes. And I love, again, the title of this to kind of just bring it back full circle. The title of today was The Grace after the Fall, which means you're not gonna be, you know, ridiculed again for falling, everybody falls. But to have grace under that difficulty and that challenge because we know we are going to rise from it as Christians, as resilient people. There is grace. God gives us grace. We should give each other grace when we make mistakes and when we fall and as a result of that, we will come back stronger, uh, because there is grace. And I, I love the word grace so much. It's uh, one of my daughter's middle names because I love that concept so much that there is an ability to come comeback and it's not the end of the story. So.

RomeoElChaer.com:

I just, as you said, it's not the end of the story, it's just another story and a journey that makes our lives special so amazing and the work of growth.

Christine Agaibi - Caresilience:

Amen. Absolutely wonderful.

RomeoElChaer.com:

Okay. And with that, we, we end, I think we are ending our session, our episode actually. And, uh, I'm gonna wish you all an amazing week ahead and, uh, to be full of grace and understanding that brings you down brings you higher. Not to take this as a, a setback, but actually way to just bounce back into the life that you're supposed to live. Have a wonder. Have a wonderful one.

Thanks for joining us on the Christian Leadership and Resilience Podcast. If this episode has encouraged you, share it with your friends. Leave a review and stay connected with us on social media. Next time we'll dive into another topic that will boost your resilient leadership. Until then, lead fearlessly, serve humbly, and rise strongly in faith. God bless.

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Christine Agaibi

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Romeo El Chaer

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