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EP14- Unlock Ancestral Healing 解鎖祖先業力｜Fabienne Marneau｜The Heart Pot

• Fiona Hsiao • Episode 14

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✨Summary

Fabienne shares her journey into ancestral healing, discussing the profound impact of generational trauma on our emotional and spiritual well-being. She emphasizes the importance of self-discovery, forgiveness, and community in the healing process. Fabienne explains how ancestral patterns can manifest in our lives and the significance of connecting with our lineage to foster healing and growth. The discussion also touches on the collective ancestral patterns affecting humanity today and the evolution towards a more loving society. Through personal anecdotes and insights, Fabienne inspires listeners to embrace their ancestral wisdom and embark on their healing journeys.

Fabienne 分享了她進入祖先療癒道路的旅程，並談到世代創傷如何深刻影響我們的情緒與靈性狀態。她強調自我探索、寬恕，以及在療癒過程中社群支持的重要性。Fabienne 也解釋祖先模式如何在我們的生命中顯現，以及連結自身血脈對療癒與成長的重要意義。對話同時提到，如今影響全人類的集體祖先模式，以及我們正朝向更有愛的社會演化。透過個人的故事與洞見，Fabienne 激勵聽眾擁抱來自祖先的智慧，並踏上屬於自己的療癒旅程。

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📌Chapters 

00:00 – Trailer & Introduction 預告

00:24 –  Fabienne's Journey Fabienne 的旅程

09:16 –  Understanding Ancestral Influence 理解祖先影響力

23:29 –  Personal Experiences with Ancestral Patterns 個人經驗：祖先模式如何呈現

30:28 –  The Impact of Ancestral Karma 祖先業力的影響

35:14 –  Fiona’s experience with Ancestral clearing Fiona 的祖先業力清理體驗

40:46 –  What is Ancestral Karma 什麼是祖先業力

46:36 –  How to balance between spiritual bypassing and ancestral karma 如何在靈性逃避與祖先業力之間取得平衡

55:45 –  Integrating Ancestral Wisdom 整合祖先智慧

1:10:30 –  Fabienne's services and where can you find her Fabienne 的服務介紹與如何找到她

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welcome to The Heart Pot my guest today an expert in ancestral cleaning and soul empowerment welcome Fabienne how have you been lately great thank you I'm excited to be with you today thank you for coming on to the podcast so what have you been doing that's activating your passion lately well my passion is to take care of my clients so I had been redoing a new website that I'm trying to update so it can communicate well my message which is not easy you know because as you said I specialize right now in the ancestral energy clearing which is very abstract I mean people have no idea what it means what it is and so I'm trying to find you my message and so thank you for inviting me today because that can contribute to that so people can be more aware of what I consider is 99 percent of the issue we have to go to the root cause there are so many things I wanted to ask about that within your introduction and all that but may I know what's your life before you become an expert in healing art and ancestral healing there is no before I was born clairvoyant and with healing ability so I used to do energy work since I'm a child so I was born that way it's not like one day I discover something I only had it's funny because I did a test lately a personality test or value test it was a value test and I only have two spirituality and love and I am that way since I'm a child I never cared about anything else and so very interesting yeah so I don't feel like there is a before after or whatever this is my life this is who I am this is my passion and I spend my time my life studying and meeting people who enriched me like you because you are a very wise beautiful soul any connection we have with people who are who is the same thirst you know for truth for freedom for love they feed us they feel us they make us be brighter and and more efficient in what we do so this is all I do connecting with people who can inspire me nurture me in that mission my life purpose is to help people to clear I call myself the Ghostbuster I like to help people to clear the ghosts they have in their closet I know you're going to ask me maybe when I realize the importance of the connection of the ancestral age of our generational influence and we can talk about that but beside that for example I never really liked vacation people would say well they are waiting to be in vacation to me that doesn't mean anything because my life is what I choose to be I am very fortunate to be free to do what I want and love I paint I I do I you know I like to be in nature so everything that I love I include it into my work as you were saying you were born clairvoyant and you were born knowing that you have this mission of wanting to help people wanting to be of service to humanity but in reality there's another people that are not in this kind of situation how was that like for you was your family supporting with you how did you solve that from your journey along the way well the spirituality I was raised in a Catholic school where I was very fortunate to meet very open minded people and I met even a lot of sisters nuns who are clairvoyant they can be extremely spiritual I met priests who believed in reincarnation I met people very open minded so I don't see that as a limitation when I grew up possibilities were there always for me and my gifts are coming from my parents anyway so they were aware of spirituality be signed religion between between even how would I say scientific proof they didn't need scientific proof to understand the connection the power of the soul believing in miracles because healing is a miracle healing is really helping someone to be who they are supposed to be all healing is self healing we are never broken so our job is simply to help people to remember who they are and that's what I wrote I did a little video for my painting on my website fabianmarino com there is my soul painting I need to redo a video but in the text I have for the introduction of the gallery show of my paintings of my soul paintings that's what I say remember who you are eternal and divine and everything else is blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah I am a very simplistic spiritual person everything that is very pragmatic and everything that I can use I use and everything that doesn't make sense I dismiss it you know but really we try sometimes to make things very complicated like I have people asking me what should I learn techniques coaching techniques healing techniques and all that and say techniques are wonderful because they keep you busy growing and meeting people but the technique is nothing there's only one thing we need is our connection with the divine and remember who we are we have all the answers in ourselves so when I say I was born clairvoyant it's not just the vision because I'm not 100 percent just vision I am claircognitive I just know things without knowing without having any reason or mean apparent mean to know but it's because I'm very connected to source that's all we all are but we decide to keep the door open or we close the door and very often what happens is that when we grew up you know through our education through the pressure of the media and social social values and so forth we shrink we become really unfree you know we lose our freedom we lose our spontaneity we lose our joy you know growing up so that is very unfortunate and that's also one thing that it's important to me to help people to remember who they are and to reconnect with that child within that has no fear that is free that is all about love it's like an animal you know I love animals I love dogs a dog that is aggressive is a dog that has fear he doesn't trust he's afraid he become aggressive and he doesn't have a good life and he's not a nice dog to be around but a dog that is loved that is raised with compassion and fun and you know is going to be your best friend and companion and children is the same thing we need to respect our children for who they are not to keep thinking we need to educate them yeah of course education is important you need to have you know rules so you can function in society and you need to culture your mind and all that but the child already has knowledge and need to be respected for it already complete you know just a little seed that is going to grow yeah all the healing and all the other tools techniques they're just simply help us to come back to ourselves to remembers of our true essence and as you were saying if you have a lot of skill a lot of techniques it's just not ancestral healing but what lead you the first experience of exploring these ancestral clearing and know that it's really important to to emphasize that in a conversation with your clients yeah and in my practice well the origin it's really interesting I was flying back to France so I was flying from lax to Paris and at the time all of a sudden I was in the plane all of a sudden I felt a huge wave of sadness and an emotion that I identified later on to be an extreme abandonment feeling a feeling of abandonment I never in my life myself never had been abandoned by anyone in any ways so I knew it didn't belong to me but I couldn't control it and I was sobbing crying and I'm not a crying baby if you ever see me cry it's very unusual I mean I would cry for other people if I witnessed something or even on a movie that touched me but to cry for myself I am a melancholic person you know and I was raised also that way I think not to show personal emotions I mean so that was really overwhelming for me been crying like that in the plane without any reason appearance reason and then I tune in with myself to I ask myself question you know what is going on where is that coming from and I realized that I was feeling that abandonment issue that belonged to my grandmother funny enough that abandonment issue is also shared by several of my ancestors not just that grandma but other people even my father my mother and my grandmother that I am aware of and maybe others of course you know I worked on it later on so I let it go through me I didn't resist it because it's really important when you have emotions not to resist them not to suppress them because what you suppress will amplify and become even more uncomfortable you know so I knew enough to accept it to let it go through me and then once I was calm I decided that I was going to to do something about it to see what I could do on the sole level to help that issue at my grandma's heart and I believe I'm not absolutely sure because my memory sometimes is not the best but I think my grandma was already on the other side she already died I was very close to her and I have many stories that I can tell you about my connection with my grandma that are very interesting like even when she passed when she died I was sleeping in Los Angeles I was at the time living in Huntington Beach which is south of Los Angeles and during the night it was for me the night and for her it was during the day in France when she died at the moment she died I felt like a knife in my back like a knife extremely strong pain I woke up that woke me up and I knew she was dead I knew that was my physical feeling of her passing then in the morning the phone rang and my father told me I said I know I know grandma is gone and because yeah and you so those are communication very strong communication from the soul you know but to come back to the plane when I was in the plane I was able to calm myself down but I said to myself I'm going to investigate that and see what I can do with it because one belief I have everything that come to our mind to our emotion that come to us anything we need to be open to ask ourselves what can I do with it why do I have that experience and see the meaning the purpose because everything has a meaning everything has a purpose so when we close door when we say I don't want to feel that or what is that it doesn't belong to me or whatever then we close doors and we get stuck you know instead of that it's good to go see what is going on in the closet what I call the closet you know to deal with the post and ask them question hey what do you want to teach me here why do you send me that emotion and then that's after you know that I started working with first I worked with generational lineage and then through the people I met and different experiences I understood that we can also go even deeper to every ancestral niche that are on soul level not only physical incarnation but soul level so that's more a general opening to the comma in general of soul journey and when I saw the result because when I use Ponderium Pendulum to ask questions you know and when I have a client who asks me a question about themselves they have an issue I first now ask if that belonged to them or if it belongs to their ancestors and like I said 90 percent of the time I mean I would say most of the time it doesn't belong to them so then it's good to clear that first and then to help them to reprogram their mind because once we clear ancestral lineage we still have work to do because what happened is that a situation that is negative or hurtful generate belief in ourselves and belief belong to us what we do with those beliefs belong to us so once we clear the root cause then we still have to reprogram the mind and learn tools and that's why I have a program that is emotional self care tools to reprogram our feelings to reshape our mind and to reset everything we want to be more successful happy healthy everything we desire and I'm really interesting in the story that you're sharing I'm sure the audience want to know more about a personal experience of yours and as you're saying that you had that experience of sudden flood of emotion come into your whole energy field and you process it and you realize that there are something deeper in ancestral line there did you at the time just know that oh the ancestral path is the path that you wanted to focus on or it happened naturally sweetheart and you know very often that's how I act in life I don't always I don't consider myself as an intellectual for example of course we all have intelligence and we use our intelligence constantly like we use our body we walk we eat we breathe but my guide is is that I am a very open person very open soul and when things like that come to me I say okay let's investigate let's see you know and I ask question like you do you ask question and because you ask questions you get answers people who don't ask any questions they don't move on they don't grow they don't you know because you stay stuck if you don't ask yourself questions and it's very important to be asking questions about everything why am I feeling that way where is that coming from what can I do about it like I said if it looks negative go beyond it's negative now because it's hurtful or uncomfortable but once you accept it then you go beyond and it becomes a strength it become a knowledge it becomes something you can use so no at the time I didn't know I was necessarily going to pursue that as one of my technique or anything but because I was open and I let it go through me then life gave me you know let me meet the right people and the right clients because very often I grow through the work I'm doing with my clients they ask me a question or something goes wrong or whatever and I'm learning from it you know they say when you are ready the teacher shows but it's the same with the student and the clients they feed you as much as you help them we are all in the same ocean swimming toward the same direction that's what I always tell people another thing that I always tell my clients never believe that somebody is more advanced than you or that they are already there because if they were there they wouldn't be alive anymore they would be on another dimension they would be somewhere else so you know what very often I heard people saying oh it's my last incarnation I'm done with it you know and I'm looking at them and say oh my gosh you know that is so pretentious you know and what do we know no I'll be working until I won't be having to work you know and it's not any soon it's not any soon every day I have a new challenge and sometimes I share my own challenge with my clients I'm not ashamed of that because they need to know that everybody is human we all go up and down we all make mistakes we all have flaws we all have flaws no one is perfect and if somebody tell you they are perfect or run away they are dangerous they want to be guru and they look like they are sent no thank you very much and even sent I mean I read a lot of stories I'm fascinated by sent people because I think they are an inspiration they are wonderful very often that's what they do they share their flaws they say they didn't like themselves that they fight against their own demons so those are the ones you want to follow not the ones that say they are perfect even Christ never say that he was perfect and Buddha never say it was perfect okay we all grow from our flaws that's amazing yeah and was there any personal experience that helps you to realize that wow your ancestral lineage actually affecting your life in a help you to suffer at first but then help you to grow yeah I don't know if I have one well that grandmother for example she had been a big teacher in my life and she was not an intellectual person but she was very very intelligent very bright and and she had a heart like nobody else the best heart one day I was not behaving right I was I was mean I was acting like a pretentious little brat and she looked at me with a lot of kindness she was not scrolling me she was not mean to me but she wanted me to be aware of my behavior so she told me you know if you keep being like that there's only one person who is going to love you in your life it's your mother because she keep up with you but you're not going to have a good life and that was I was very young I was very young and that was an eye opening for me I said oh my gosh she's right you know and it helped me change it helped me be aware that I have Learned that behavior from my mother actually who could be like that but it wasn't me and it didn't need to be me so all my life I had to remember that and whenever I feel that I am not as kind or humble that I should be I remember that so it's big help you know and like I said she didn't told me that in a mean way or anything she just shared what she could see as something that needed to be corrected so I don't know it's not necessarily an answer about lineage but I think that that woman life had been she was abandoned by her husband when my mother was I believe 2 or 3 years old he divorced her for another woman so she had a difficult life herself but she never complained never and never criticized even her husband who left her or anything she was a very positive loving woman so she is one of my best examples you know that I carry very close to my heart I have that I'm aware of a grandfather that is that was a surgeon he was at the head of the faculty of surgery in Paris so he was a very important man esteeming respected by everybody in the medical field he died he was 102 in a hospital very happy to be in a hospital that was his home at the end of his life and I believe I have from him some gifts about understanding of human nature he was a very wise man I'm sure he was an American doctor he had an intuition about he was a surgeon but he saved people's life because of his intuition he could see diagnosed sins before they had all the tools you know because now you can have or you know they can do X ray they can do so but I'm talking about a man who was very old you know I mean it's a long time ago they didn't have all the tools you know and so I think my intuition part of my intuition is coming from him and my mother was a very spiritual connected person so directly from those I'm sure I got a lot from them but of course it go way beyond you know I personally also like to connect with what I believe were our previous incarnation I totally believe in karma reincarnation you know and I believe in it I was not born like I said I'm a Christian so I was not raised believing or understanding that but I am an observer and when I started doing past life regression for example on clients I saw results so I say if we have result with that that could mean that those stories are a metaphor they could be just a metaphor just a story but they also could be a real experience so either way like I said I'm very practical so I use them and I say that for me it's not a belief it's something I use and that I'm comfortable with but for myself I feel I have memories of fast incarnation so I don't refuse them and I use them for example I have a fear a really phobia almost I mean I don't know if it's a phobia but a fear of water a wall of water so I believe I was in Atlantis when we got submerged by the water and I wrote an article about it the Titanic for example really impressed upon me the story of the Titanic because I believe you know that I have that fear of dark water and water coming to you and my brother one of my brother has the same dream because I had nightmare about that and he told me one day that it's a recurring nightmare he has about that wall of water so we could have been together in Atlantis submerged by the water I and I met like I said I met fascinating people like Sony Dr Sutton was he was teaching Basle regression crystal therapy he was a specialist with crystal and healing with ponderium and all that he wrote many books he was a very bright brilliant man I took his classes to learn how to use pangolin for healing and work with crystals and I had a past life regression with him experience too he's on the other side now but I know that he's guiding me he's helping me still one day I was at a fair where his wife and his daughters were selling crystals after he was gone and his wife came to me I had a stand where I was doing readings and some I was selling some of my soul paintings she came to me and she said sunny asked me to give you this crystal and she gave me a heart crystal in a quartz a pink quartz and she said he asked me to give it to you because she was very connected to him from heaven you would talk to her she wrote a book with another friend who was friend with him they wrote a book that he dictated to them through heaven from heaven it was beautiful so she come to me she gave me that crystal and I knew why he gave it to me because you know I had been told very often that my heart needed healing so I still have that heart and it's actually in my bed I put it under my pillow I sleep with it and sometimes I put it on my heart when I can so you have cover many stuff within your story if I may stop you to tell you about Dr Sunny he told me that I didn't need to work with crystals that I had crystals incorporated in my DNA and that I could activate them naturally and that he was with me in Lunaria before Atlantis there is a time that is called Lunaria the lunarian and he believed the Marian yeah that we were together during that time so that's another connection from Soul Ancestor you know sorry I didn't mean to catch no no problem I just wanted to continue with that ancestral pattern because you have mentioned that your lineages your grandfather has clairvoyant and your mother is always being a spiritual side and also that you have mentioned the past life the ability that we have from past life or the fear that we have from past life so that part we have covered a lot already I just wanted to do a little recap for our audience so that they would know exactly what's going on here but right now I saw that there is a little piece I'm still wondering I haven't hear from you is that is there any ancestral fear or karma that is like affecting you in a negative way that you carry and you found out about it was there any personal experience of that because we carry stuff from past life whether we like it or whether the one that makes us fearful yeah but what I refrain to say is that it's negative because I don't believe anything is negative I believe that even and I agree with you we are not always a good guy in those stories because we need to experience everything to be humble to be kind to be loving we need to face our darkness so and to be honest with you when I did I don't do them as much now because I prefer working in a different way but when I used to do a lot of past life regression I must tell you that almost never people told me good stories it was never good stories I'm going to give you an example of one of my clients who actually gave me a beautiful testimonial video in one of the life that I took her to during past life regression she was the person who took care of prisoners you know in the prison and she was mean to them she would not give them food so they would be starving and so she was a really mean person in that life and so we did forgiveness we did you know healing in order to make her okay you know in the present moment and release something that she decided from that life is that is that she was carrying guilt a huge guilt to hurt people that she did hurt in the past it was unconscious but that experience really helped her to be aware of it and guess what she was doing every Sunday for years she would go because she lived near Laguna Beach she would go to Laguna Beach which is a city by the sea where there is a lot of homeless people because it's a nice place so they love to be there because it's nice they have the sunshine people are nice to them over there so they go there so she would go on Sunday and feed them give them toilet paper you know socks the stuff they need and food right she did that for many years after I helped her realize that the real cause of her doing that was coming from a guilt she was able to stop doing it that doesn't mean she didn't care anymore but she decided well I did that for let's say 10 years that's enough now somebody else is going to do it and then she find a job helping in a shelter for women but in but that was her job she was she's she's an administrative she's taking care of part of that organization that helps women who had been we need a shelter you know because they were abused or whatever so that was interesting and then another thing is that she had also a life where she was an orphan and often and she was herself starved couldn't eat didn't have enough food was afraid of not having enough food so in this present life she was overweight because probably her subconscious mind was telling her you need to have reserved because maybe the food is going to be taken away from you you know that was in her subconscious mind so we did clearing on that and then she was able to lose weight and to feel actually better with herself happier and you know and all that but you see that was linked to a fear from a former life before so when we do baslaf regression it's very important to do the the clearing of the connection because if you don't seize the connection then you carry over the issues you know so she was able to do that so I still believe that Pascal progression is interesting that can be a good tool but I still now work more directly with the general vision we don't have to go specifically into the details of the story yeah for me personally I've gone into many many past life regression before I definitely know that it's a strong impact for everyone and whoever that's listening if you're believing in that past life I strongly resonate with however you're feeling right now some kind of fears sometimes it's just not coming from this life it's from the other life and when the time comes for us to see it to solve it it will comes but you don't have to really dig into that because we have so many past lives to be honest but there's another thing that I found out on my healing journey that shocked me about is the ancestral karma thing I never knew that I was carrying so much from my ancestral lineage and for me I'm a person who always I studied abroad since I was 14 years old so I never really felt like I was in a place where I'm sticking into my home country sticking to my ancestral lineage so I thought it would have no way to impact me yeah until the decision there is so we did the session uh did that help you uh realize yeah I wanted I also wanted to share that over here as well before I never really look into the ancestral lineage and I didn't think it was important and for me I feel like oh if I'm open mind enough to the other stuff I have solved a lot of stuff in my soul level past life level but the stuff that that I haven't touch get in touch with into is the ancestral and father mother wound and after that the last one is right now I'm solving the ancestral karma this is when I met you so it's fascinating to see that during the session you were able to find out that whether the problem the core problem is coming out of myself or out of my ancestral lineage whether it's from my mother side or my father side or whether there's both on each side with different issue for me it's an eye opening experience for me and I didn't know that with that not only realization you will help me to work on an energetic level and I was able to clear that out without even knowing so much of what's going on explaining to me thankfully thank you for explaining to me like what is the big topic that is being stuck in me so for me in a way that I'm always the person who want to know more about detail I'm always learning I'm always wanted to know more so so thank you for sharing that with me and help me to clarify oh wow there's this topic about my mother side and I clear that out with along with energetic level after a day or actually the night after the session I feel my face got brighter and clearer for some reason and I just couldn't understand but in a way that I don't even feel like I need to understand I just need to believe that wow there is something there and I truly encourage everyone to just not like a lot of spiritual people we would blame everything on ourselves or thinking that it's our lesson to learn over here but there are maybe sometimes we need to dig into other perspective or other dimension of that similar same stuff and you will find out that from the other way of looking that same stuff wow there are actually more stuff that maybe is not even your responsibility to carry on with you for your whole life so that is a truly profound experience for me transform experience for me realizing that and that is why I want to bring you on to share with the the power of these ancestral karma but I'm I don't want to put it in a way that is negative to be honest like maybe we carry that for a reason we wanted to learn something from it but maybe it's time for us to realize that okay we don't have to carry on this way but and also also we heal we contribute to the healing of our ancestors because we can heal the past and then we of course heal the future the next generation and on the soul level we are all warm so we are helping humanity so it's very important to do that I believe I wanted to say some more on that because I feel like a lot of people like Asian culture we would think that oh it is our ancestor or our grandfathers they're doing this they're helping us to shape who I am right now so they're sort of like throwing that responsibility to our ancestors but it's not how I wanted to see with clearing ancestral Karma I wanted to see is this ecosystem of helping each other helping our ancestor and our ancestors they are actually helping us as well but before getting into that for those people who don't really understand about the concept of ancestral karma can you explain to that in a way that's easier for beginners to understand well basically when you go to see a doctor they ask you question because your DNA your physical DNA is imprinted by your past your people the that created you that give you birth right genetic so they ask you is there anybody in your family that had cancer blood etcetera they ask questions right and then that influenced how they are going to treat you they're going to see if they need to worry about specific disease or you know well we don't pass from generation to generation only our DNA we pass also our emotions our belief and what I feel are the traces of who we are on a soul level so if you have a grand grandfather who had fear because he died in a concentration camp or was tortured or you know things like that that is going to be passed on his DNA as well it will be there on some level and you as a grand grandchild from that person you know you are not consciously aware of it but it's there and that's part of what I explained you know that you can have an emotion that you don't understand or a behavior that you don't understand being fearful of certain situation be angry without any reason to be sad to you know and so on so when I have a client that come to me to say well I would like to be happier for example I have a relationship with my husband but I am disconnected I can't receive his love he's a good man and it doesn't make me happy what is going on why can't I be more content and happy so I would test it does it belong to that person and if it's no then we dig into how far we need to to clear the real cause of a trauma that has nothing to do with that person present life but it does has a connection through the DNA transmission that is not only physical DNA but like I said emotional and spiritual does it answer your question it seems like the fear or that issue could be either from our past life or from ancestral or from our this life and it's often a combination it's very often a combination and that's why when people ask me to work with me I say that I I like to offer them a program where I can follow them to go through all that because we don't clear the ghosts in the closet in one time we have many ghosts and many roots cause from those gods ghosts and so that's why I love more the long term not long term forever but but something a little bit more consistent to be able to clear plus there's three phases in healing all healing the healing itself that include forgiveness and readjustment energetic adjustment and all that the second is empowerment you need to be empowered to rebuild reprogram your mind you know your belief and all that and the third one is creativity then what do you do with it and that's why I always ask my clients to do something because if you put it in action then the creativity is stimulated and then you go from the cause of a healing need to the empowerment and the next step to be really free from your free will from your decisions and and that is complete you know so I usually say that we need three sessions for one topic and so you can imagine how many sessions we could do if we want to keep working I work on myself constantly never stop you know there's more layers more layers more layers but the good news is that every time I'm happier you mention brighter I feel better more at peace more efficient happier I mean there is limitless benefit from working on yourself on that level and what are the signs that maybe someone might be carrying the ancestral energy that isn't theirs well any issue because like I said most of the time if somebody share that they they feel sad or stuck or they lack confidence you have people a brilliant speaker for example who say that they are still afraid of speaking they know they are a good speaker but they are afraid they still feel overwhelmed when they do it don't know I mean any issue really like I said most of the time I see that it has nothing to do only with ourselves there's so many layers you know root cause so so as I mentioned before like I'm not sure about western culture but I know that in asian culture there are people who tend to use ancestral karma as a spiritual bypassing excuse of saying I'm this way because of my ancestral lineage or whatever to avoid take their personal responsibility in life have you ever seen anybody like that and how would you recommend us to that we can hold both true and honoring our ancestor and still like taking our responsibility in part of that well you know it's interesting what you mentioned because that imply judgment we don't need to have a judgment there's nothing good or bad it is what it is it's comfortable or not it's happy or not it's hurtful or not if it's hurtful if it's uncomfortable if it's negative let's get rid of it but there is no need to take it as an excuse for our own behavior because we are part of that lineage that we wanted or not we are and that's our karma and that's what we need to deal with you cannot escape karma you you know it's it's like the movie with the guy that is fly you know going down and say gravity is a bitch right I mean gravity you cannot escape gravity gravity is a fact if you fall and you don't have a parachute you'll die there's no other way well it's the same with your karma if you don't take care of it it will affect you and you are responsible for your karma because we choose our life we are never a victim that's something that is really important to understand on a soul level we are never a victim nobody force us to incarnate when we are deciding to incarnate to come to life on earth we have the choice because there is other place to be for a soul we don't have to be on planet earth but we are on planet earth because it's a difficult planet it's going to be difficult experiences so we'll grow faster so that's the reason why we go on planet earth but some of us don't that's what we call the star people many of us are star people we had lives in other places the galaxy that we live in right here is not the only one quantum physics is going that way more and more knowing that there is no reason to think that this is the only place where life exists so even scientists are not against you know that concept spirituality and science are really getting together more and more more we know scientifically more we are proving things you know like the Dalai Lama was one of the first ones who said that even the nerds the brain cells can be rejuvenated before they thought that neurons could not be rejuvenated so aging was a fatality you can only age neurons cannot be rejuvenated and now there's actually a French scientist I believe it's Dr Drake who proved that brain neurons can be rejuvenated so you see spirituality and science are proving the same way another thing that I think it's important to know in psychiatry now they recognize that speech therapy is actually dangerous negative for PTSD and I'm a big big big believer of that if you keep talking about something that had been a trauma for yourself it's only going to increase the impact of that trauma on yourself so there is teh APIs like I use that don't involve to have to speak about it and still do the healing so it has no impact on your emotions anymore you disconnect the mind and the heart emotionally for the pain you still are aware you know what happened you don't become envious you'll remember but it will have no impact on you and any type of trauma even childhood you know people who had childhood memory with parents who were rude or teachers or who were bullied by people I help them heal that because it's a deep trauma but without having to talk about it women who had been raped you don't want women who had been raped to have to talk about it in what way you can help them with healing with their trauma without talking about it is there any specific example well it would take I mean this is the whole point of doing what I do I mean you know it's there is not every case is specific there's many techniques like timeline happy like I told you I use a lot a lot of different happy NLP energy work so I combine all those techniques and in one session we can use 15 different techniques but again we use words behind techniques but the idea is that iteratively you tune into what is necessary to take your mind and your heart to a different place it's helping you travel in those waves you know it's like you are in the ocean these waves and if you know how to take the wave you'll be safe if you take the waves the wrong way you'll crash right so that's how I would explain the therapy I do I never know how we're going to take the wave that's the part of the intuition that's why I say I Learned many things but I always knew where to guide people with those waves those emotions of those hurts I worked a lot with military people since my childhood because my dad was a Vietnam colonel in the army the French Army and all his friends Colonel Vietnam Colonel had trauma they all had PTSD and I would help them with different techniques I often see yeah I often see that a lot of healers they combine there are a lot of skills not just only one system or one skill but it really depends on the client situation everyone's situation are different people they were very open to it because acupuncture can be extremely spiritual you can charge the needles with your intention with soul intention that can go that are limitless absolutely limitless so it's all about energy and what is energy it's a communication of your intention because your thoughts are energy so working with love has no limit and that's why I believe in miracles because that's what it is miracles is being able to be open to reconnect with what is true like I said remember who you are eternal and divine you are complete you're whole you're not broken so we need to reinstate that belief and then you know it you feel it and you are so it can be extremely simple really it's just that we need to shut down that mind that is controlled by our ego the mind is the enemy it's not our friend that's why I love to say I'm not an intellectual because yes I love to learn and understand and grow you know but I don't trust that that's not what I trust I only trust the intuition that comes from the heart that is my connection with the divine and I help others reconnect with that with the source so they can go in their closet and look at their ghost and say I know who you are and I'm not afraid of you yeah that is why my podcast is called The Heart Pot is Connecting with heart how to align to mind and heart coherence the last question I want to ask you about the ancestral karma is what I have mentioned before that I wanted to bring people into attention that ancestral karma is not only just you would say bad thing a lot of people when they think of ancestral karma they would think of something that's clear to get rid of is there something that ancestral karma in a way that could affect us in a more healthy positive way during the session that you gave to me that I was able to connect with my ancestor in the first time ever and I never look for my ancestor because I never thought it could be something that would be useful for me for my wisdom or whatever my growth so if that happens like why is our ancestor showing up in our life that's what I'm trying to tell you you have to completely disconnects that belief that anything is negative nothing is negative it's there if it's there that means it's useful and we need to learn how to bring back peace and love to that situation so there is always forgiveness if it's something that was really hurtful somebody does something wrong okay that's what we call negative but that need to be forgiven because if we don't then it keep hurting us through generation to generation to generation and it's the same thing in society I went to Germany we have a brother my husband has a brother who live in Berlin I was really impressed with the city of Berlin because they didn't try to hide the sign of the war you see bullets inside the walls in France they did a lot of repair they don't want you know we have many towns who had been rebuilt because they were destroyed during the war you know but in Berlin Berlin was destroyed a lot of Berlin was destroyed but the one place that remained they kept it the way it was with the bullet in the wall they are not hiding what happened I thought it was very courageous and I think that it's going to be part of their healing and to understand yes something terrible happened they suffered from it too everybody suffered from bad choices from you know whoever decided what happened doing that work but eventually we need to move on forgive and make a good use of it to say let's remember what happened and never repeat it right and become a better society a better nation and so forth and I think that's what they had been doing Germany is doing very well they recovered and they are respected and you know and so forth so nothing is negative it is what it is it happened we have to deal with it but it's also there to make us be more loving stronger it's a dark person now I'm not saying it's easy not saying it's easy to do because because of pain we resist a lot of stuff it's easier to hate I mean the first reaction is to be hateful to say how dare they I'm never going to love them I'm never going to forgive them I'm never you know of course that's a natural reaction we are human but when we are able on a solar level to do the work then it make us even brighter more open and able to go much further than if we stay in the same problem with the death penalty I mean you still have people who believe in death penalty right and of course in France we don't believe in pen but we did for many years you know for many years we had the death penalty too and now it's not but it was not easy because people want to believe that they know what is right there is right and there is wrong and punishment is part of the deal and Dada Dada Dada but you can be punished but not killed because when you kill somebody you put yourself at the same level than that person you become the murderer yourself you know so to answer because I know you want an answer of course there's good stories sometimes there's good lives like people who had been good then they influenced you and why not asking them to help you you don't need to ask your ancestors where acting poorly to help you if you're not comfortable with that because you may not want to be connected with them but you may ask the one that had courageous and kind life to help you yeah is that answering more your question we cannot discriminate they are all existing and even ourselves in our soul evolution we had been good and we had been bad we are the good and the bad we are both we cannot avoid it there is no light without darkness there's no darkness without light it's it's complementary in this planet planet earth not in other dimension but in this dimension there's a duality you know dual the Yin and the Yang Yin and Yang yes Yin and Yang how would you describe that if someone come to your session and work with you for me I already knew the process but if you would share with the audience that if someone there are interesting in working with you how is the sessions going to be like how are you going to help them to individe whether this thing is from their ancestral trauma or well first of all if they come to me they have to be open minded to understand that I'm going to connect with the source of what I consider truth you can call it god you can call it source infinite spirit whatever you want to call it it doesn't matter so I connect with that and I ask question I ask the client what is the purpose of your visit what do you want what is your goal what is going on in your life in the present moment I don't want stories from 10 years I want the present moment for example even a woman let's say a woman who had been hurt when she was a child or a teenager right I don't want her to come to say well I was hurt 10 years ago or 15 years ago can you help me with that no I want to know in the present moment how does it affect you do you feel you have difficulty have an relationship do you feel your business for example people who have financial plateau who cannot reach abundance wealth you know anything in the present moment that is affecting them then they share that with me then I tune in with my connection with truth to find out if it belongs to only themselves through this life or if it has roots that are for example ancestral then I'll propose them to work on it and if they are in agreement to work on it we'll do clearing we'll clear that for them then like I said I'll propose them to do the next step the empowerment and the creativity so they can be complete and be able to manifest what they say they want because if somebody say I want to be successful in my business yeah we can clear the blocks but then they still need to reprogram their belief their mind and all that and then to take action and that's why the coaching is important so I do both I do the healing and the coaching some people say you cannot do both I said of course you can it's part of the completion of the process and it's painless I don't believe in pain you feel good right after your session you feel happier you feel lighter yes you said you felt better right you feel better since you had your session after my session was definitely I felt a lot better and I'm grateful for that so that's why I wanted to share that experience with people after the session with you how can one individual integrating what they learn how can they on their own to integrate that well you see you say on your own I don't think we should ever be on our own we all need to have a guide I mean in the way that I have three coach and one healer master that I work with I am not on my own and I don't suggest anybody to stay on their own you've got no side yeah yeah what I mean is that you still need to go to the client and speak to the client on your own you still gotta put on to work on your own how can they move on with their life on their own it's not like we're able to stick with each other 24 7 right so aside from the session they have the time to integrate how would you advise them to integrate well that's the reason why I have online program and ongoing poem because like I said I do not believe somebody can keep growing on their own I don't and I don't myself I have help and I think that's an illusion that's our ego that want us to believe that we can be on our own and that's the reason why these churches and organization they tell people to stay connected so they can keep working on their belief on their face or their practice but life is a teacher of course you can function and you are going to keep but what I'm trying to say there's a choice here if you find somebody that you feel has a good connection with what you we can call the truth right why not staying connected to that person like I'm going to keep watching your Hot pot podcast because I feel that you connect with people who are interesting who have something to say so I'll be learning and connecting with new friends then I'll connect with those people and I'll ask them to do a podcast with me because I do podcast and I'm going to do podcast and so forth you know what I mean so I think we don't have to oh I'm going to give you an example I plan to create a mastermind called the Lone Wolf but it's a lone wolf tribe because there is no lone wolf Wolf to survive need a tribe we can feel like we are alone Wolf but we still need a tribe so my recommendation to people is find your tribe I'm not saying I am the only one who can help them even after one session I'll invite them to stay connected and keep working with me but they can if not they can find somebody else but find somebody don't be a lone wolf find your tribe thank you for sharing all that and all of my guess we have these three question before we end what is that one thing you wish you would have or could have say to your younger self you know I'm not thinking specifically about something maybe based on what my reaction just now was I would say calm down relax don't worry about anything it's just that I always had been very wise very aware I'm a fighter obviously I have a lot of fire and I'll fight for the joy and the freedom of people around me that's mine so I would say relax don't be so passionate sometime understand that people are not always at your level of understanding um be uh be patient that's what I would say but don't worry it will work out and on a scale one to 10 how much do you think you're operating from your heart right now nine that's the only thing that matter it's to be kind to it may not sometimes we don't appear our actions don't necessarily appear not always understood but my intention is a 10 always that's the only thing that matter I believe that I'm a truth speaker truth is extremely important to me I'm a believer in truth that's why sometimes I can be passionate you know but the truth is that I believe that love will always prevail you see darkness doesn't exist you put one light in a room and you have light the darkness is only the absence of the light but as soon as the light is there the darkness doesn't exist there is only two energy fear and love so I wish to be fearless and only accept and nurture the love so thank you for contributing to that and what is that one thing you can suggest anyone to create mind and heart coherence breathe breathe deeply go to your heart before you take action that's amazing and I want to thank you for giving me the opportunity to explain something that to me is really important what we just say please feel positive about that because what we just say about the news it's something that people need to hear they need to know that everything is going to be alright that the world is going towards the right direction and that the media are really the enemy not to trust and believe everything that you hear because there is so much information that we think that become that it's taken over but you could choose to see the news about all the good news and there is many good news that's correct even though you have mentioned that you have been offering different programs and classes and session but can you summarize that for the audience that what are you currently offering and that you would like to bring attention to people yes well I have a program that is called Heart Soul Therapy well using hot salt therapy but the program is my Soul Alchemy healing so it's a combination of one on one session with me and an online course that help to reprogram the mind so it's complete it's 3 months it's 12 weeks program you can find it on my site but I offer I have free gifts on my website so people can see if they like the energy I offer a 5 minute instant peace meditation that I love because I think it's important to cut yourself out of negativity and in five minutes you can be completely in a zone of pure light which says only love and peace so that's a gift I have on my website fabianmarno com you can get the 5 minute instant peace of course you can connect with me I offer a totally free session where I can analyze with you what's going on help you to see where you are I'm going to give you an example I have a lady who called me who booked that with me and I help her see a possibility for her in her relationship with a husband and she didn't feel like she needed to work with me but she thanked me because just that session gave her clarity of where she was and the decision she wanted to make in her marriage so it's a genuine call where I don't try to sell you anything it's to connect with where you are in the present moment and give you suggestions of possibilities and I also have another gift that is to be able to see my ancestral Karma a webinar on Karma to help you tricks to understand more of that so there's many many things but for the offer to work with me directly I like to start with the 3 months the 12 weeks program because it's complete with one on one healing online course to help you to reprogram your mind and be able to create the life that you desire thank you for the resources and where can the audience find you Fabienne Marneau.com that's my name let's also put the link down below for you no problem okay thank you Fabienne for today's sharing thank you so much for bringing many stuff into the attention for people to reflect and to sink in thank you so much