Male Burnout: Stress, Testosterone & the Health Cost of Always Pushing Through

In this episode of the Neurotrition Podcast, Dr. James Cima returns for a powerful conversation about male burnout, the pressure many men feel to keep grinding, and the physical and emotional cost of ignoring stress for too long.

The discussion begins with how burnout often shows up before men are willing to admit something is wrong. Chronic fatigue, weight gain around the midsection, irritability, brain fog, feeling constantly on edge, and becoming less present with family can all be signs that the body and mind are under too much pressure. Dr. Cima and the host explore how many men fall into the “provider trap,” believing they have to push through stress no matter what, even when that mindset starts damaging their health and relationships.

The episode also breaks down the biological side of chronic stress. Dr. Cima explains how elevated cortisol, insulin spikes, visceral belly fat, inflammation, and declining testosterone can all feed into a cycle of exhaustion, low motivation, and poor health. The conversation connects male burnout not only to emotional stress, but to real physiological changes that can affect energy, clarity, body composition, confidence, and long-term resilience.

From there, the episode turns toward recovery. Dr. Cima emphasizes that overcoming burnout requires more than simply “trying harder.” He discusses the importance of comprehensive testing, including hormone status, nutrient markers, B vitamins, and inflammatory markers, especially when basic primary care labs do not tell the whole story. The episode also highlights key pillars of recovery, including better sleep, a high-protein diet, consistent physical activity, and resistance training.

A major takeaway from this episode is the importance of external accountability. When someone is burned out, the same part of the brain needed to plan and execute change may also be the part that is exhausted. That is why working with a coach, physician, or trusted professional can make such a difference. Dr. Cima also discusses the value of combative training such as Muay Thai, Jiu-Jitsu, or Krav Maga as a way to build confidence, capability, discipline, and resilience.

This episode is for men who feel drained, disconnected, overweight, irritable, unmotivated, or stuck in survival mode — and for the spouses, partners, and families who may be seeing the signs before they do. It is a direct conversation about stress, accountability, health, masculinity, and what it takes to rebuild strength from the inside out.

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SPEAKER_00 0:04

Welcome to another episode of the Neurotrition Podcast, where we give you the tools to balance the brain, optimize the body, and redefine how to unlock human potential. The Neurotrition Podcast is sponsored by Fort Forward Spine Wellness and produced by Julie Delmus Studios. Don't forget to like and subscribe and follow us on Instagram, Facebook, YouTube, and TikTok at Neurotrition Podcast. And don't forget to visit us at Neurotrition Podcast.com where you can hear us on all of your favorite podcast platforms. Today on the show, we welcome back a friend of the show, Dr. Seema, who's been on a few times now, and we're going to be talking about male burnout. Dr. Seema, welcome to the podcast.

SPEAKER_01 0:56

Thanks for having me back.

SPEAKER_00 0:58

Of course, man. It's always good to see you. So I think a good way to start off is just kind of talking a little bit about uh what male burnout looks like because I I think uh it gets a little internalized by men in general and uh can be kind of hard uh for them to recognize and and frankly for others to recognize, for their wives to recognize. So uh let's go ahead and dig into that.

SPEAKER_01 1:20

Yeah, so burnout is is tougher to know when you're in it than it is to be observed by your loved ones. Um they're gonna notice it with just fatigue, irritability. Um you're gonna start getting weight, especially around the midsection. You're always gonna feel like you're on edge. You're you can write it off as just, well, I'm busy and this is the grind and I'm I'm working through life, but your your health is continuing to decline in a very noticeable way. Um not as a parent to you, but to all of your loved ones, and your your relationships start kind of fracturing over time, and you're not able to perform at home or at work like you feel like you should. So that is usually the more telltelling signs of a burnout. And it's incredibly common these days, just especially after 30, when you have kids, when you're working, how the financial stresses across the board for multiple reasons um are just weighing you down and driving you to work harder, stay more focused, even though you're losing it. And um, you know, it's a very common thing that I see day in and day out, especially on my treatment table. And then as I start digging into the uh the life of my patients, I can start seeing it more and more.

SPEAKER_00 2:38

Yeah, and I think it's uh, you know, especially when you have uh individuals, and and you know, this is not just unique to men, this can happen with females too. Of course, we're focusing more on males, but um, especially people who are, I think, entrepreneurs, I think, you know, it can happen in all professions, but people who run uh have a lot of responsibilities on the work front as well as the home front. Um, I I think uh men in particular uh just feel like they have to grind through because they've, you know, they're you know, we're kind of wired to be providers. And uh, you know, we think that's just part of the part of the the picture of doing what we're supposed to do as men is just kind of grinding through that. Um and I think it's hard for them to, you know, without some input from others, um recognize that's happening. And it also can, like you were, you know, I want to piggyback off fracturing relationships. I think, you know, from a spouse perspective too, you know, they can uh identify that maybe you're burnt out, but you know, the changes in irritability, the energy issues, um, that can, you know, uh cause men to fall off, you know, maybe you know, they're putting all the energy they do have into their work. And so they're not as present at home, um, they're shorter with their wives, you know, like you said, more irritable. And, you know, I think at times, you know, while your wife may recognize that this is related to burnout, they start to take it personally because you know, you're you're kind of acting like an asshole, you know. So uh I think that is really important for uh I not speaking from personal uh experience at all, by the way. Um, but you know, it's something that I think men need to start really thinking about.

SPEAKER_01 4:22

Yeah, I mean, you're they're stuck in this tunnel vision where they're they just have to get to that next step, and they don't realize that when they get to the next step, they're just older and they're heavier, and the stress does not stop. Um so we're constantly pushing to this new finish line. They keep moving the goalpost, and it's like when I get here, when I get here. The problem is years go by and your health is just degrading over time, and you are starting to build more metabolic disease, and then just you if you stay married, um, how happy that marriage is and how fulfilling you are how much fulfillment you get from your family, which is really the only place you can really get fulfillment um is from your wife and your your kids and and and what you believe your legacy. So it's incredibly important to consider. The hardest thing that I've found for men is just to admit that they need help. Um, and I can tell you just the worst thing a wife can do is just say you need to do something, um, because they're already doing everything they can do, they already feel like they're maxed and burnt out. Um I know one patient put it so well, he's a first responder as well, so it just adds a lot more stress. Um, he's like, You don't ever feel like you're doing enough, um, but you don't know how you could possibly do more. Um, so it's it's a very complicated situation, and it comes to them identifying that they actually do need help, guidance, and accountability. And that's a hard thing for a man to stomach because he's used to just shouldering it and going. Um, we don't really commiserate a lot together, and that's another problem because if you feel isolated, you just feel like, okay, this is just me, I need to keep going, or you start cutting things out of your life that are actually beneficial.

SPEAKER_00 6:07

And I think that's a good segue into you know, starting to talk a little bit about what's actually happening um in the body. You know, we keep talking about how it affects health, and I think I think we generally, most of us know that stress does affect our health. Um, but I don't think we really, uh a lot of individuals don't really connect um the magnitude of that impact, how it affects um your organ function. I mean, all the way down the line of how your body works on a biological level. So I think it would be good to kind of um dig into that a little bit so people can can realize that. Um, so you know, kind of give us a rundown of you know what that looks like on a biological level.

SPEAKER_01 6:47

I mean, not getting too into the weeds because I don't want to start throwing out letters in different parts of the brain that people don't quite understand. But um, you know, cortisol is that main demonized hormone that is your stress hormone. Uh, it's it's hard to track. You can do expensive laboratory testing and see where your cortisol levels are. Um, but basically you just you you have an influx of cortisol, and that is your stress hormone. Normally that's just there for an acute immediate response and an acute threat. So cave band days, tiger shows up, you have to sprint or fight, and tiger's gone or dead. Now you can relax, and then you have the next day to whatever, eat, rest, digest, relax, play with your kids. Um, but in this day and age, we're constantly turned on. We're working 40 to 60 an hour case more than that a week. Um, so you're constantly driving, driving, driving. You get home, you're trying to be a parent to your kids. Your kids, especially in my stage, they're five and three, so it's just constant work. Um, so the stress is always there. When you do go on social media, that's where happiness goes to die. So that just adds more stress. Um, and then your wife is not doing well for multiple reasons in this stage because she's a parent and she's trying to figure out how to help you, be the best mom she can to the kids. She feels delinquent in most of those positions. Um, and then there's always a financial stress. So your stress response is constantly on. So what you start doing is you cope, and you cope in any way you can. Usually it's gonna be food or alcohol or both. Um, and when you eat a lot of food, you're gonna spike your insulin. Your insulin will help drop that cortisol in a transient way, and that's gonna be your innate way of coping. However, when you start when your insulin starts rising, so does your belly fat, and then you start releasing more inflammatory cytokines from that visceral fat, which will just perpetuate the problem. Inverse not inversely, conversely, you have alcohol consumption, which will ruin your sleep, get rid of your rest. Cortisol continues to rise and you continue to drink. And every day you do that year in and year out, building more and more belly fat, and you're grabbing food because your inhibitions are gone, so you're grabbing whatever you can out of the pantry, or ordering pizza, or just constantly eating garbage, and it just perpetuates year in and year out. Um at the same time, those two influxes of hormones of cortisol and insulin will start driving your testosterone down, and that is where you start losing your clarity, you start getting more fatigue, more brain fog, more belly fat, weaker, and you're having more musculoskeletal issues like a little back pain, neck pain, headaches, and just a myriad of different complications that are another thing to be miserable about.

SPEAKER_00 9:30

And I would even say to go a step further, you lose your motivational systems. And so that ends up impacting everything. You know, um, we all, you know, I think a lot of times, uh especially in the functional medicine area, we we speak a lot of, you know, kind of I'll call it biological energy. So things like ATP and um thyroid hormone and um all the things that just run the body on on a cellular level, mitochondrial function, I think, and of course all those things are important, like you know, if you're deficient on your anemic uh and have low B vitamins, yeah, you're probably gonna be tired. I mean, that makes sense. Um, but there's also an energy system through our brain, which is essentially motivation. And this chronic cortisol bombardment, this chronic uh uh stress is going to impact that. Um, and it'll affect your attention, it'll contribute to the brain fog, and you just won't give a crap, you know. And I think that's uh that's one question I always ask patients is you know, do you feel like, you know, are are you really tired or you don't just don't give a crap about you know doing certain things? And I think that's really important um to deal with that at some level because that's gonna make it even harder to make the important changes that an individual needs to make um to uh reverse this system. So like just a giant negative feedback loop. And I think uh another thing to think about is it's usually just not one stressor, right? It's the it's the accumulation of different stresses. I mean, you were we were, you know, we have a little group chat and you threw out the term uh allostatic load, right? Um, that I think is really relevant here. All of these, you know, if you think about uh a big bucket and you have all of these different stressors that uh come in, it can be, you know, um, you know, uh kid uh your kids, um, which you know obviously is a good, I find that is a good stress, but it's you know still a stressor. Um you have your relationships, you have your work, you have random stuff that comes in, you have uh things like dealing with the IRS. I mean, that's a stressor for me. Um but uh you know, all these things everybody all these things accumulate, right? And it's really uh a case of um you know death by a thousand paper cuts, you know, instead of you know these big wounds. And then you get people who have special situations. So you mentioned the first responder. Man, you know, the the crap they see on it on a day-to-day basis um adds another emotional level to it. Or, you know, uh parents like us who have special needs kids, that's a different level of stress. So we all have varying uh stressors and they are accumulative, and I think that's really important uh for people um to understand. So I you know, we've talked a lot about what causes it, we've talked about kind of what happens. I think the main thing that we probably need to talk about is what do we do about it? How do you go through starting to make those important changes?

SPEAKER_01 12:30

I mean, you're you're gonna have to do a good history on the patient and really understand what their day-to-day is like. How are they sleeping? What time are they going to sleep? Is it fragmented sleep? Are they waking up throughout the night? What time are they waking up? Is it a consistent wake-up time? What are they eating? Normally, when they fill out their intake forms, they leave out very important information, even their medications that they're currently on. Um, so you have to really spend time getting another patient, and then you have to draw appropriate labs. The basic panels that most primary care physicians run are very insufficient to get a complete picture. So you do want to check hormone status, nutrient status, um especially of B vitamins and different inflammatory markers to help stave off the leading causes of death in this country are heart disease and cancer. And we don't even run good enough panels for heart disease, which is the leading cause of death. So you you really want to get a very good comprehensive lab panel, which is not expensive uh for most people. And then from there, you need to address the deficiencies that they have, be it testosterone or vitamins, um, magnesium, and then ultimately all roads lead to weightlifting and managing sleep and adding that into your day and making sure that you prioritize that with a high protein diet. There they've done studies where they just replaced testosterone in men, and it did not stop the progression from pre-diabetes to diabetes. When they added weight training in, that's when it reversed. And I see it time and time again with patients you you have to resistance train. I don't care, man, woman, you have to lift weights. There is not negotiable. Um, that is the only way you're gonna reverse these effects. You're gonna actually use a testosterone if you do get that replaced, and you're gonna be able to get those wins throughout the day that help you feel like, okay, today was successful. I did something good for me. Um, and no one leaves the gym unhappy they win. No one's getting to the gym happy. But but when they leave, they're happy they win. So no one regrets that. Um, I'm also big on combatives. I do think there's a a really good feedback loop that you get when you learn how to fight. Um and I think that it's a very it's much different than just lifting weights. Um either you did better than you thought and you didn't get beat up as bad, or you actually got some wins in. So physical activity and sleep management and diet are the three most important things whether you affect testosterone levels or not.

SPEAKER_00 14:58

So when you say combative, you're talking things like martial arts, things like that.

SPEAKER_01 15:02

Yeah, uh specifically the effective ones. Um I I like Muay Thai, I like jujitsu, I like Prat Maga, even for um for beginners. Um, but just every time I send anyone to a combative's class, they always leave feeling more confident, more capable, and they they're they just feel better about themselves. Um it's it you know, you kind of get that way in the gym, but you definitely get more when you've been punching or kicking or grappling.

SPEAKER_00 15:26

And that makes sense because it builds the confidence, I think, too. I think that's probably um part of you know the effect of that. And that can have a great uh brain effect as well. So um that's that's some pretty good insight. So I think the challenge for most uh people and most men is gonna be actually initiating that change. And um, you know, we've discussed this before, um, and we I know we both discuss it with with patients, but how important do you think it is to really have someone at your side, whether it's some sort of coach or um some close uh watch by a physician like us who's gonna kind of be by your side. I mean, you know, one of the most annoying things and the stories that I hear when people, uh, especially men go to the doctor um and you know, they may complain about or they may not complain about being tired or whatever. I mean, the most common thing they hear is um, well, you're you're over 40, you got a lot of stress, so it's just kind of the way it is. And that drives me absolutely crazy. I mean, it's good for our business, actually, when they do that, um, because there are real solutions, but um, there's not a lot from medicine in general to uh provide the support that any individual needs uh to make, um, which frankly are not easy changes, especially if you've um gotten down the road where you know you're you've let this go for years and years and years. Um, how important it is uh support system make uh going into this journey.

SPEAKER_01 16:52

The most accomplished athletes have coaches, and they don't just have their head coach or their team coach, they have specific one-on-one coaches, and they do that for a very specific reason. It's because they realize that they can't see every aspect of what they're doing. Um, I've always succeeded way more when I had coaches getting on me. Um, when I did a bodybuilding show, I he was going to ask me how my diet was, he was going to see what my weight was at, he was going to look at me. Um right now in jujitsu, I he's there, he's watching me. He knows if I'm not there, which doesn't happen. But having that accountability just gives you more motivation to keep following the program. Um when you're left to your own devices in this situation, you're not it's not gonna help be successful. The same part of your brain that's fried and burnt out is also responsible for following through on the plan. So you can't formulate the plan with the part of the brain that's already burnt out and then execute the plan with that same part of the brain. It's not gonna work. So from a physiological standpoint, from a personal standpoint, and just from knowing that someone's gonna ask you, what are you doing, and you're paying for it, you're gonna follow through that plan way more um effectively. And you know, you even and go back to the testosterone replacement part, you even noticed, like, yeah, you got more energy and clarity in the beginning when we started working on your horns, but then it wasn't until you got into the gym where your mood really started to change. And your your effectiveness at work and how you dealt through your problems throughout the day really made a big difference. Um, so and having the trainer was the biggest part because you knew you were gonna have to show up and work with that trainer. So I I I definitely advise working with coaches, someone to overall see your accountability. And if that same person can do your training, better. If not, you're gonna have to get someone there. Just going to the gym and just following a program, maybe you're that kind of a good person where you'll do everything on that list. But to come up with the plan, that's gonna be very difficult.

SPEAKER_00 18:52

Yeah, and and to piggyback on that, you know, you you talk about um the testosterone without doing any um, you know, weight training. Yeah, and you know, at first my blood work got a little worse, right? I mean, um, you know, red blood cells started to go up. Um that's where people get the negative effects of testosterone replacement because there can be some negative effects. Um, and you know, some of that is I think is how it's dosed traditionally. Um, you know, uh sometimes there's bigger doses given um at a time instead of, you know, I think what's been successful with what you've done with me is you know having more of a moderate to lower dose um more consistently. And I think that's been helpful. But it, you know, once once we I got committed to, um and we'll talk some more about that here in just a minute, um, once I got more committed to being in the gym, it was uh uh it started going uh exponentially in the right direction. So um yeah, I I can't uh stress how important that is enough. And to your point of having uh a trainer or something, at least in the beginning, because yeah, I mean, it's real easy to convince yourself not to go to the gym. Because like you said, no one wants to go to the gym, no one's happy about that. No. Um, but when you are paying for it and someone's waiting for you to show up, um, then you know you're gonna show up. Uh there's a much higher percentage of that um when you have some skin in the game that way, instead of just the you know, $15, $20 gym membership that you might have. So um I do think that's very important. I think it's very important to make realistic goals too from the start. Um, I think uh if you have a really busy schedule and you start off saying, okay, hey, I'm gonna go to the gym four days a week, and you haven't been to the gym in 10 years, um, that's gonna be hard to be successful. I think it's gonna, it's really important just from a psychological standpoint, start off with something you know you can do, whether it's even once or twice a week for 30 minutes, um, just to start building the routine. I mean, we talked about that in a goal-making episode early in the year. Um, and and that's essentially what I did is I just started off, you know, uh establishing a couple days a week, and then it snowballs because you actually like going, or you like the results of going, I should say. And uh that's really, really important. So I I think this is a good segue to kind of talk about a little bit. I'll open myself up here about um, you know, if we look at podcasts from uh a year ago versus today, um, obviously I've I've lost a little bit of weight um since then. And uh I'd like to kind of go into the story of how that occurred because this guy's kind of responsible for pushing me in that in that direction. So I guess I would I what when did I come down to visit you? Probably in what August last year, uh I don't know, end of last year, sometime. But uh so I go down there, visit his clinic, kind of follow him around for a couple days, I get back, and then he sends me a text after I get back and essentially says, Hey man, when are you gonna stop being fat? I did not say that. I did not say that. I'm kidding. He was he was a lot more uh tactful, tactful than that.

SPEAKER_01 22:00

I believe I said when was your last blood test? Yeah. Because I I did kick that around for a few years. I'm like, how do I approach this guy in a loving way that's going to be effective? I I think I even reached out reach out to Brett about it because he knew you longer than I did. I was like, how do I do this without pissing him off? Um but yeah.

SPEAKER_00 22:18

Yeah, and you know, honestly, I really did want to change. I did want to change. I didn't know how to do it with my life, you know, current work lifestyle and everything else. I felt like I was in such a big hole that it it um it was overwhelming to even do that. And so it actually meant a lot to me. And I I think that's a big point. And that's the only reason I I kind of want to go into this is that when you have people around you, even friends, I mean, it can be uncomfortable, but if you approach it in the right way, um a lot of people want that outreach. And um I was very, very actually appreciative of it. Um, you know, I'll I'll I'll be honest, I felt a little crappy when I first saw it, but I mean, it was more so that I I knew I needed to um make some changes. Um so I mean uh what I don't know I don't even know how to ask this question. Um what made you want to do that? Like what what called you to do that?

SPEAKER_01 23:15

Um you were with me for a few days. I saw the wait. Um, you did share your whole story of when you got Jacob's diagnosis and all of the tumultuous situations that led after that. And so I understood how you got to the point you were at, but I wasn't able to let you keep it going without some sort of reach out. Um I you had a you had a very large belly and I was just like, this is he's gonna die very young if we don't do something now. Um you have all the knowledge, but once again, it's the execution that you needed and a little bit of guidance. Um, so it was just like I gotta help this guy because he's the closest I have to a to a cohort as far as you know being a business owner, a chiropractor with a special needs child, and we have to live longer and more functional because of our special needs children. And I it was more of just yeah, love for you, love for Jacob, and just I needed success for both of you, um, even for my own ego for for for the for lack of a better word. Um, but I was just like, I can help this guy. I I was a perfect case study, huh? Yeah, well, I also I knew it would be easy. It was just like once you had the the plan, you were gonna follow through because you had the purpose behind it. It wasn't like you didn't have a reason to do it. Um, and I told you I was like, everything is gonna get better with doing this. Like you're gonna feel better, you're gonna have a better marriage, you're gonna be more resilient to the problems that are gonna continue to come. They're not you're not gonna knock and have problems, but you'll be more resilient in the season to get through them if you're feeling better. Um, so it was more of just concern and and love for you and and Jacob, and just to know that you have to perform better, and you weren't on that road. You were definitely on the road to die way too young. Um, and at that point, I don't know what was gonna happen to your family. I mean, your wife works in the office, so I I was just trying to be obedient to you know my God and and and the uh I got put in front of plenty of very good influences throughout my education and my upbringing to know how to help people reverse their their diseases and then get to a better state. Um, and I you know, when I was going down my road of burnout, um, I had to reach out to people, no one really reached out to me. Uh so I knew that sucked, by the way, because like you're reaching out to the therapist, you're doing this, and then you finally get the issue to start doing the right things and you do it, and you're like, okay, this is effective. I know how to fix this now in other people. And um, so that was more of it. It was like I knew I could help you. I I didn't know it's always a gamble, like when you reach out to people, like, are they actually you are they actually gonna, or you're just gonna ruin the relationship. But um, I knew if there was anyone that had a purpose behind doing this, it was you.

SPEAKER_00 25:57

Yeah. And it, you know, I mean, it really did flip a switch for me. And um, I I think this is important because, you know, I had to make some changes in my business too. I mean, the first thing I did beginning of the year was like, okay, I'm gonna take Tuesday and Thursday mornings, um, start a little bit later with patients. And that was scary for me because, you know, obviously, if you you limit your time um that you're available to see patients, um, especially me being a single doctor office, um, you know, you're you're you have the potential to significantly lower your revenue. Um, but I knew I needed to, I knew I didn't work a schedule that was going to be manageable to do what I needed to do. So taking those two days um allowed me to establish um the routine like I talked about earlier. Um and you know what? I've actually, you know, it the revenue's actually been up this year because I've been more efficient, um, I've been more productive, um, you know, I'm more on the ball, I'm you know, more motivated to do the certain things I need to do. So some of these, some of these things that sound scary and making the changes you need to make actually end up um paying off dividends in ways you may not expect. Um and it may not really be a sacrifice. You're actually investing, not only you're investing in your health, but you're gonna it's a way to invest in your productivity as well. And I think that's a really important part to make because that was probably one of the biggest barriers to me was making the time to take care of myself. I'm taking care of everybody else, um, whether it's uh you know trying to help uh improve Jacob or if it's you know trying to help improve all these other patients. Um you have to invest in yourself. Um I think that's uh that's a critical, critical point. All right. Well that's uh I I think that really uh is really insightful on for individuals to um have this story. And I really encourage you. I mean, there's no there's no barrier too much here that you guys can't overcome with this. Uh Dr. Seema, any final thoughts?

SPEAKER_01 28:00

Um, not really. I'm just happy we did this. Uh, I think it's gonna be really helpful. I mean, I'm really trying to take my practice in this direction and really help men get back the control of their lives and their resilience. And um, you know, obviously that's segued into treating a lot more women because women are more apt to ask for help.

SPEAKER_00 28:16

Right.

SPEAKER_01 28:16

But um, no, I I think the more we talk about this, the more men realize they're not alone and they're not tunnel visioned. Um, I think will be very helpful in the long term. And I think that it's it's incredibly important for men to stay driven and resilient and compassionate and loving and present with their kids. So that's that's where my drive is.

SPEAKER_00 28:37

Well, that's awesome, man. And I again I thank you, I really thank you for coming on. I think this was a really important topic, and uh, I think a lot of people need to hear it, and hopefully it drives a lot of people to to make some changes. Um, just real quick, uh let people know how they can uh get in touch with you if they won, you know, want to use some of your services.

SPEAKER_01 28:53

Yeah, so um seemahealth.com, or you can just email me at uh drjames at seemahealth.com um and or my phone number, 561-775-9111. Love to meet with you guys and and help in any way I can.

SPEAKER_00 29:07

That's awesome. You can also visit healthytalahasse.com if you want a better doctor. Um, that's available as well. I'm just I'm just giving you a hard time, man. Uh, Dr. Seema's awesome. Um, uh we co-treat actually quite a bit of patients. We work together quite a bit. Um, so I heavily heavily encourage you to check him out. Um, so thank you so much for everyone joining. Uh, don't forget to like and subscribe and follow us on Instagram, Facebook, YouTube, and TikTok at Neurotrition Podcasts. Also, don't forget to visit Neurotritionpodcast.com and you can listen to the show on any of your favorite uh podcast platforms. We look forward to seeing you guys on the next show.