Behind The White Coat - Real Talk For Physician Spouses
Being married to medicine comes with challenges—long hours, relocations, and feeling like you’re navigating it all alone. That’s where this podcast comes in.
I’m sharing the things I wish someone had told me—how to survive medical training, juggle parenting, manage finances, and actually build a life you love. We’ll cover everything from making friends in a new city to understanding insurance, finding childcare, and staying connected as a couple.
Some episodes will be just me, sharing real stories and lessons learned. Other times, I’ll bring on expert guests—financial advisors, physician spouses, and those who’ve been through it all—to offer practical advice.
Most of all, this is a place for community. A space where you can feel understood, supported, and even laugh along the way. Because being married to medicine doesn’t mean doing it alone.
So grab a coffee (or wine!), and let’s talk about the real side of life Behind The White Coat.
Behind The White Coat - Real Talk For Physician Spouses
#9| Navigating Medical Marriages: Finding Balance and Community in Residency
Chris Herring shares his journey as a physician spouse, discussing the challenges and rewards of supporting his wife through OBGYN residency while raising two young children and managing his own career.
• Co-founder of Other Side Med, a community of 17,000 physician families offering support and resources
• Describes feeling isolated during early residency years before finding community with other physician spouses
• Highlights the lack of resources specifically for male physician spouses compared to female counterparts
• Shares practical strategies for work-life harmony including weekly family business meetings
• Discusses using a nanny and family support to manage dual careers with children
• Provides insights on real estate investing for physician families, including "house hacking" with medical tenants
• Emphasizes the importance of vulnerability and seeking support rather than trying to handle challenges alone
If you're struggling as a physician spouse or looking for community, reach out to Chris through Instagram or the Other Side Med website. As Chris says, "There's not a question or feeling that you're having that we haven't shared ourselves."
Hey there and welcome to Behind the White Coat. I'm Amanda Barron, your host physician, spouse and your go-to friend for real talk about this medical life. If you're juggling long hours, solo parenting or finances and feeling overwhelmed, you are not alone. This podcast is your space for honest conversations, real advice and the support that I wished I'd had years ago. So some episodes will be just me sharing what I've learned along the way, and then other times I'll bring on guests to help navigate the challenges of being married to medicine. So grab a cup of coffee or wine, get comfy and let's dive in.
Speaker 1:Hey guys, and welcome to another episode. So excited to have you here and I'm even more excited to introduce you to today's guest. We have the privilege of having Chris Herring here with us, and he is a go-to market engineer and partner leader who has spent the last decade working with early stage SaaS startups towards successful acquisitions. He is also the co-founder of OtherSiteMed, which is a community of about 17,000 physician families, and the co-founder of the Hippocratic Collective. Aside from his work and his career, he is a dad to two beautiful little boys, a husband to an OBGYN physician and lives just outside of Philadelphia, pennsylvania. Chris, welcome.
Speaker 2:Thanks, Amanda. It's fun to be here. It's fun to be a part on the show. It's fun to be a part of just what you're building with this podcast. So I'm excited for today.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's fun to actually meet outside social media. So quick backstory Chris and I met through Instagram and I'm not even exactly sure how the algorithms put us together, but obviously having some parallelism with physician life physician family, physician, spouse I am grateful that it brought us together, that it brought us together. What I always say is, no matter where you are in this life of being married to medicine or having a family in medicine I feel like we all have a story to share. We all have something that we can learn, no matter where we are in that process, and so I just appreciate you being here and sharing a little bit about you and your family's dynamics with our listeners.
Speaker 2:Well, I appreciate it.
Speaker 2:I can just echo For the listeners who are just being like, hey, I'm in this journey and I don't know if you're first year into this, whether you're med school or you're in residency and you're attached to a partner or you're a physician or you're seasoned attending and you're a spouse to that attending. I mean, I just know I felt so alone so early in my, my wife's residency journey. I'm like there's gotta be other people who feel this way, Right. And so that was when I was thankful to, to meet you, to have you share your story with, with others I've met, and your family's journey of your husband's fellowship and the living in different States and trying to make it work and buying a house without him even seeing it and all of that stuff. I was like gosh, this woman gets my life. Once I started connecting the dots with other people who were walking through the same life journey as I was, I found so much more peace in being married to medicine and someone in medicine and everything that came with it than feeling like I was so alone.
Speaker 1:And also the need for it right the need for being able to know it's okay to feel this way, it's okay to go through these ups and downs, and that you have support, even if it's not somebody directly right beside you right there where you live, that it's nice to know that you're not alone yeah, 100.
Speaker 2:It's not that you need to have a phone call or someone to call every other every day of you know the week. It really is like oh, I see one thing off of someone's Instagram page.
Speaker 1:I'm like wow, I feel. Seen, I'm like I get it.
Speaker 2:I'm like, wow, right, and that was enough, right, that sometimes is all you need to say okay, there are other people like me.
Speaker 1:And I can do this.
Speaker 2:Yeah, 100%.
Speaker 1:Yeah Well, so tell us a little bit about your spouse and just what your family looks like.
Speaker 2:Yeah, happy to. Well, I'm probably you kind of highlighted in the intro, but I'm a proud dad of two. I've got a two and a half year old, and we had him in Hannah's second year of residency, and then we just had our second a month ago. So it's been a beautiful, hard, challenging journey of raising kids in residency, but one that we wouldn't trade for anything. And on top of the two boys, I'm married to an incredible woman. Hannah is a chief resident, an OBGYN resident, who's about to graduate in two weeks.
Speaker 1:Yay that's huge, huge for you guys, so congrats to both of you.
Speaker 2:Thank you. So, yeah, we've got a lot of transitions about to come up with. We sold our house, we bought a new house, we closed on Monday, we are moving in three weeks and then she'll start her practice in September, so we've got some downtime for her as she's setting for boards.
Speaker 1:Yeah, downtime, because you're really down time when you're moving and two little boys and work and all the above and two little boys and work and all the above, but you handle it, and so does Hannah, with such grace. So kudos to you guys, thanks.
Speaker 2:So yeah, that's a little bit about kind of where we've been. I'm from Virginia, she's from North Carolina. We met while she was in medical school. I was in graduate school and fell in love and got hitched and packed our bags and moved to Pennsylvania and we've been here the last four years.
Speaker 1:The rest is history, right? Yeah, exactly. Well, thank you for sharing that. Your family is beautiful and I love following along your journey and all that you share on Instagram. So, with that being said, that kind of leads us into the next, the things that you guys do share. So tell everybody if they don't know about Other Side Med.
Speaker 2:Yeah. So two years into residency, I had tossed this idea to my wife and I was like, hey, I don't see other men really talking a lot about their medical journey. Who's not the physician? There's a lot of male physician influencers on social, but I really didn't see this whole like family element of what does a family medicine look like? Like? And I mean, my life in in the sass world was insane, as like this was even the year before we had kids.
Speaker 2:Just because my wife was working, working 80 hours a week, it doesn't mean that I wasn't. It's like I was just grinding it all hours. I'm like, what else am I gonna do? And so while I had this idea of trying to showcase what we're going through, looking back like it, I'm glad we didn't start it earlier on, because I think it took a few years of maturity within our marriage to say this is what life together will encompass in residency for us to actually then talk about what can this become to encourage other people, because definitely there were some hard times for within our marriage over the last few years where we're like, holy cow, are we going to get through this? Can we do this? Can we do it well? Can we really listen and support each other in the way that we would hope for our marriage and without it ending in divorce or just constantly living like roommates.
Speaker 1:Sure, sure. Well, marriage is hard to begin with. You know, I tell everybody nothing's perfect. Marriage is hard to begin with. I tell everybody nothing's perfect. It takes work on both sides, understanding, listening. But then when you throw into the mix the lifestyle of medicine and medical training and both of you being exhausted, burning the candle at both ends, I do feel like it adds a whole nother wrinkle.
Speaker 2:That's exactly it. And so when we really decided that, hey, we're ready to I don't want to even say start this page, because we didn't know what it would become, right.
Speaker 1:It was just, it grew pretty rapidly.
Speaker 2:Let me tell you, you were one of the very it's funny because Hannah and I looked back and we can identify, like who are those first 100 people who were like hey, this is me, let's do this together? We are this community, that who really understand what we're trying to support each other within. And so you've seen it from the start. We started nearly a year ago. Just over a year ago, we started the page.
Speaker 2:And it came out of just this desire to say hey, we've done three years of residency now. We have learned a lot about each other. We've learned a lot about how to communicate. We've learned a lot about our love-hate relationship for medicine, like the system of medicine, not just like you as a doctor, but the whole system that's orchestrated around it.
Speaker 2:And at the end of the day, I felt there was a need to speak to the partners in medicine, and that was initially the thought process behind it. I was like hey, we're just going to create this page and I'll just be the content creator, just saying like, hey, this is me attached to a or married to a physician. And then Hannah was like I think you're missing a whole, nother piece of this. I was like what do you mean? And I really didn't get it at first, because she goes just because I'm a physician doesn't mean that's where my life stops Like I crave to come home.
Speaker 2:I look forward to coming home and having a life that has nothing to do with the hospital and I know my peers who have families want the same thing and so being able to showcase what that life and what that balance can be. Besides, hey, I'm going to be late for work, or I'm going to be late for dinner, I'm not going to be home in time, I'm not going to be there for the kids to bed. They want to be there and to be able to showcase some of those stories too. Was this perfect blend of let's make this about both partners in this relationship and not just isolated to one or the other and that's what I think makes it such a great page and it's grown so fast is you guys have both perspectives on there.
Speaker 1:So you know, not just having the spouse who is taking the brunt of whatever's at home at that season of life, whatever is at home at that season of life, but also the perspective of the physician wanting to be home and wanting to kind of have this balance of both sides. And what does that look like Not only from your eyes but also Hannah's, and I think that that has been huge for you guys and for your audience and your growth.
Speaker 2:Well, thank you. In a weird way, it's its own accountability too. Yeah, because it's like, hey, we don't want to just give a message or say one thing that we aren't actively working on and accountable to each other for, like, if we want this type of relationship for others in medicine, like we have to do that for each other. And so it's been good in that sense where, yeah, you don't want to speak out of two sides.
Speaker 2:It's like you get what you get with us Like we want to always be as authentically us from day one. That was the goal. It was like we don't want to compromise any of our morals or values or what we believe is right or wrong for the sake of growth. It was. This is who we are. If it impacts one person, great are. If it impacts one person, great If it impacts 17,000, holy cow, that's insane.
Speaker 1:We never dreamed of it that way Amazing, and I love how real you guys are and I think the thing too is just like in life, in marriage, in your medical journey. It's a season and I feel like from what you need or your spouse needs, it changes season to season and constantly learning and growing, and so I think you guys sharing that as well really, really resonates with a lot of people. Well, thank you.
Speaker 2:It's a lot of fun.
Speaker 1:I have really enjoyed it. So thank you. But I will say I think you nailed it initially when you were talking about how you didn't see the male spouse and a lot out there on that. And I've even tried to kind of look up statistics for things like that and it's not the easiest to find Even for me, and most of the physician spouses that I work with real estate-wise or the local group that I have built here is primarily female, yeah, yeah. So I wanted to ask you, now that you've been doing this longer, have you found more support for that male side of the physician spouse? Because I would love to be able to grow that here as well, because I know there's a need, but I have not come across that yet. So I would love to just pick your brain on that pick your brain on that.
Speaker 2:I wish I could say yes, but I've yet to find it myself. There were a couple of other. I've seen pages, but then they just go, it's a good idea, and then they go quiet or they go dormant, or they just like there was dads of medicine, there's a Facebook page there, the Instagram page elsewhere, and then they just kind of fall off. They don't have the engagement, and when that kind of falls apart, the commitment that you want to then portray is like well, I belong here, kind of dies off with it.
Speaker 2:And so it's been something that, as Other Side Net has grown, was a part of the vision that we had for the Hippocratic Collective it being something a little bit bigger than it just being an Instagram page and a social community that it does kind of branch out into more real life, tangible resources that drives actual in-person community, webinars, talks that get togethers, whether that's subgroups, whatever that could look like, because I've seen that done really well with the women's side of things. I mean there's a lot of a couple of different organizations that do an incredible job of supporting the women's side of things. I mean there's a lot of a couple of different organizations that do an incredible job of supporting the women who are married to male physicians, and I'm like why is there this dichotomy of like you belong here but you can't show how you feel on this side of the equation? So I don't know what the answer is, but it's something I've got a lot of thought to.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I have too, and I try to make it known that everyone is welcome here, but we just primarily have females that attend the event, and I was chairing a couple of years ago the event here in Nashville for the American Medical Association Alliance, which is a national program for physician spouses, and we did have a couple men in the group and one in particular on the board and who will now be the new president, which is awesome, but they are a few among the many, and so I would love to see that grow.
Speaker 2:Agreed, and I think it just starts by isolating myself to being the spokesperson. But it's going to take more people like me who are going to be willing to prioritize that time and share and share Exactly. Otherwise, they're going to be willing to prioritize that time and share and share Exactly. Otherwise they're going to say I'm too busy, I've got my full-time job, I'm supporting the family, I'm trying to do everything I can to not suffocate over here. Why am I going to go then create?
Speaker 1:videos or be a part of something else.
Speaker 2:And so I just do think other men need to see other men talking about it for them to ever feel like there's going to be a change in the system there.
Speaker 1:Well, you're well on your way, well on your way to changing that. So kudos to you. Okay, so you kind of touched base on it just now, leading into this next question. But having the time, so you both have dual careers, parenting do you guys have help? How do you find that work-life balance? Because I know you travel quite a bit for work and then having two little ones and then Hannah's schedule. I would love to kind of hear how you guys make that work.
Speaker 2:Yeah, we have been super blessed with the most incredible nanny and I'm never going to just say like, hey, then let the nanny raise your kids, because I don't think that's the nanny's responsibility ever, because as parents we do take full ownership of the growth and development of our children. But because we are dual income and spent lots and lots of hours working and traveling and doing those things, we knew that we needed help when we started thinking about what does a family in medicine look like, specifically a family in residency. And so our nanny, we hire a nanny that works for this full-time Monday through Friday, 40, 40 hours a week, and so that allows me to cover my day job right, which is great. And then it often just turns spend as much quality time as we can together, but more often than not that quality time looks like sitting on the couch catching up, just being real with each other for a bit, but then she's going to go back to studying, charting, prepping patients for the next hour or two, and in that time I'm working on my second job or whatever I'm building on the side or thinking about and things of that nature. So our nanny has been super helpful. Both of our parents have. They don't live close to us when we moved for residency. We're nine and 11 hours away from both sets of our families, but they've done an incredible job of being present when they can be, for when I'm having to travel for work or you know, whatever the reason may be, they are the first to drop what's going on in their life to say we'll come help. And I know not everyone's as fortunate in that sense to be able to have that support, but for us it's made a big difference for us.
Speaker 2:And then you asked the question of like, how do we find balance? Yeah, I don't mean to laugh at the question because it's like you know, is there really a balance? Right, is there a balance? I mean, for better or worse. Jeff Bezos says see that Bezos jobs, who just said there's no such thing as work-life balance. I think I think it was. He tries to shoot for work-life harmony, and maybe that's bs, maybe it's cliche, but he said this harmony is that you just have to find whatever piece is going to work for you and your relationship with whatever you have going on in accordance with the family that you're trying to build, right, and so maybe two sides of the same coin, maybe it's not, I don't, don't know.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and remember what you're talking about. And I agree with you because I think they're how we talked about seasons. So for my job I have a busier season and not so busy season. So I feel like I kind of take a little bit more during the not so busy times. My husband kind of stays the same as far as busy time goes for him and all. But I think having those expectations set up front of what's going to happen, what this week looks like for both of our schedules, kind of can help make a little bit of a balance. But I agree, I feel like every week I'm always like, okay, if I can just get through this week.
Speaker 2:It is true, and I'm glad you kind of started catering towards more of a practical sense of like. How do you take actionable steps to find some sort of balance, or whatever you want to call it and that was something that Hannah and I set up in the very beginning of residency was, you know whether she's working Sundays or not working Sundays? Before we go to bed Sunday night, we're mapping out the calendar for the week. Who's going? Where Am I traveling? What rotation is she on? What do her hours look like? And then, what does that look like for meals this week?
Speaker 1:Am I cooking them?
Speaker 2:all, is she here to help some ways? Am I ordering groceries and having them delivered, or do I have time to go get them all right? Some of those practical things that we've been able to figure out. But if we didn't have those weekly meetings that we actually call like business meetings, like family business meetings to help keep our family moving forward versus just being like what the heck happens, I totally agree with you.
Speaker 1:Those are helpful for us. Yeah, yeah, thank you for kind of going over that, because I know there's no perfect system and I feel like each week our systems change depending on what we need. So I totally agree with you and I love the weekly meetings. We have them as well, and we've had them. I mean, our kids are now almost 17 and 19 and we still have them as well, and we've had them. I mean, our kids are now almost 17 and 19 and we still have them.
Speaker 1:And even though I have one that's off at college home for the summer, those weekly meetings still make a big difference.
Speaker 2:I can imagine they're even harder. More needed as the kids get older. Right, it's like are you going to be home for dinner this week or are you not? Are you out with friends or what's needed in so many different ways.
Speaker 1:Running around, or do you have five friends coming for dinner that I need to?
Speaker 2:know about and be prepared for.
Speaker 1:Yeah, okay, so you guys dabble in real estate investing? Tell us a little bit about that, especially, I think, from a perspective of when you started, how you got into it, because finances are always a huge question that people have in residency and paying off debt or whatever that might look like for saving for the future.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I started using real estate in 2016. It was really a byproduct of Well, it was a byproduct of my brother getting into real estate, getting his real estate license and pushing my entire family to say we need to build this massive portfolio. Yeah, we can do this as a family and just kind of start our own little herring empire, and so that was like where the talks initiated. But really we saw my dad really live this out my entire life. I mean, he was, as a side hustle, had kind of bought flips, and so I grew up helping him remodel homes, doing some electrical work, doing flowing work, doing just kind of like fixer-upper type of things.
Speaker 2:Yeah, just because I saw my dad do a lot of this with small two three-bedroom townhomes growing up, and so he and my mom they collectively started building out their own little portfolio and then it was my younger brother who really, like, made this charge of. Why do we not do all of this together?
Speaker 2:why don't we not like work towards a common goal, create a vision and kind of the business within our family that we can start growing and so this was before ham was in the picture I'd already graduated college and so, as a working professional where there's I mean I was fresh out of, so I didn't make much money at the time but there's enough money as a single living on my own, doing my own thing, where I can start making some investments and some safer bets. And that's where we started with going in on a few townhomes and thinking about what does that look like collectively? So I'm not having to front all this cash. And there's a couple of different strategies depending on people's financial situations that there's pros and cons to working with family. There's pros and cons to how much you finance versus how much you front. There's pros and cons to taking money out of your own personal HELOC, if you're a personal homeowner to then front the capital for that next loan, yeah, or that next purchase. And so we've done all the above and we've learned a lot about working with each other. We fought over certain things when it comes to what should we do or what shouldn't we do, but that was a really helpful foundation for me.
Speaker 2:Thinking about just investments in general, I would say real estate is probably one of these long-term safer bets when it comes to investment versus other aspects of where you could then be putting your money. It's definitely been true for us, but that's been a foundation for how I think about where can we double our real estate? And things change a little bit, right when you start thinking about your world, medicine, the debt that's associated with medicine, and you not making hardly any money during residency, and so we're thankful for it. Right, but it's not going to be something that for many families can then just say well, I'm a resident, I'm also going to go invest in a property right now. Yeah, so I don't know that I'm the best person to ask advice for just because we are fortunate in the sense of like, what I make now plus what she does, gives us a lot of freedom and flexibility to say, hey, I think we can do X, y, z elsewhere.
Speaker 1:But I think it's a good topic because that's one of the things. When I ask my incoming residents, I help all the time what's your long-term goal? And so you know they may be looking for a place to live right now during their four years of residency, but in those four years when they leave they could rent it out to an incoming resident Totally, and so that is a revolving door. That is a great renter right and can become very lucrative. So even if they are in that early season, it is a question I always ask as far as, what does your long-term goal look like?
Speaker 2:There's a lot of different ways you can get into that with. Even with little money right Like, all you need is the upfront cash and today's economy, you can get it. Someone somewhere will give you a loan and depending on how sharky they are in your interest rates.
Speaker 1:But you can house hack.
Speaker 2:And I think that's where many residents probably don't even take advantage of. Like hey, I want ownership. I got three other single residents who are looking for a place. You don't want to spend $2,000 or $2,200 on a two-bedroom apartment. Like, hey, let's buy a room or rent a room, right and room apartment. Like hey, let's buy a room or rent a room, right. You just started kind of like sharing this and they quickly start paying off your mortgage for you and then you come out of that and then you can then move on or sell it and or hold it to your point. A lot different creativity. Like we did that here with our house now. We immediately renovated our basement and being its own like studio apartment down here, bathroom and everything could want, and we ran out to med students who are rotating through on audition rotations while we lived upstairs. So super easy, yeah, and they paid half the mortgage while we were just kind of like we don't go down there very much, so why not? Right? So it was an easy fix for us.
Speaker 1:Yeah, no, that's great, and I think targeting the medical community is brilliant because, no matter what's happening with interest rates, the residents are still coming in, the fellows and the travel nurses are still coming in, so I think that's brilliant.
Speaker 2:And they're safer bets when you're like I don't know who this person is coming in. They're going to be spending a ton of time in the hospital, so the likelihood of them coming in and messing up your space is.
Speaker 1:They're rarely there, they are rarely there. And so you're 100% right. And then once you become their landlord, it spreads quickly that you're a great landlord. So then they just pass it on to the incoming med students or residents, and so it just becomes a nice little passive income for you.
Speaker 2:Yeah, 100%.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I love that. All right, chris. So I like to wrap up my guest interviews with two questions. Everybody gets the same last questions, so tips or advice you would give your younger self.
Speaker 2:The immediate one that comes to mind is that you're not alone. I know that sounds cliche and I know we got into this earlier, but when residency was not med school for us, you know, and I think I felt like I really had mastered oh, this is, I can do this, this is going to be easy, and I think the tips to find yourself four years ago would simply have been like you need to be honest and lean on others. Because I'm someone who did not wear my emotions on my sleeve, I had to ball it all up and I just power through. You're going to get through this.
Speaker 2:It's just a hard season right, like yes, there's a hard season, but you have to acknowledge what some of the things are that are going on in that season, otherwise you're going to lose yourself. And I quickly found myself just lost first year, like why am I here? I have no place here, no one knows me, and I really quickly realized that I was making it all about me. And I quickly realized that I was making it all about me. It's like me, me, me, me, me, versus someone that like there being other people that I really could lean on, that I just didn't choose to. And so my advice to me was like, hey, once you are invested in this long-term road and relationship with medicine and with your spouse or whatever it may be, and you've got to be honest with yourself about where you are so that you can lean on others to help in the process um, you can't do it by yourself yeah, no, I think that's great advice.
Speaker 1:And and I have a an additional question on top of that when you were saying, you know it was about all about you and, uh, you didn't really have anybody. So what did you do? I know, probably a mindset shift, but what did you do to find those people there to help you and be your support?
Speaker 2:Yeah, it honestly didn't come geographically local. The fix was not here in Reading, pa One. It was being honest with my wife about it because I think that was causing marital challenges and frustrations, and elsewhere she's Because of the spelling. I just had a big wall up Right and she's like I don't know who you are anymore, right? Yeah, what's going on? Yeah, so that was step one of just really being honest about how I feel about everything we're going through. Do talking about counseling and just be like, hey, no matter how much money it costs, no matter how much time you have, how do we figure this out together?
Speaker 1:for help. I think that's a hard part for people to come to terms with, whether it is mental help, counseling for marriage, that it's okay to ask for help.
Speaker 2:Yep. And then, lastly, there were a group of guys that I've been very close with and they're all around the country now. We lived together when I lived in Seattle after college and they're all dispersed across the country, and being honest with that group of guys was critical for me to have a voice, to have support for them, to listen, for them, to just be like do I need to fly out, I'll be there tomorrow. You know that type of thing that I just ignored for the first year of residency, just being like, oh, residency's fine, yeah, tell me about you guys.
Speaker 1:It really was that whole vulnerability aspect of this is what my life looks like and I'm struggling. What a great group of buddies and friends and I think going through situations like this hard times really let you see who is in your corner, really see who those true friends are.
Speaker 2:Totally agree with you. They were life-giving friends for me and a season I needed them desperately. So that's what I would encourage other, especially other men. I've been listening to this podcast too. It's so. I would encourage other, especially other men Men, listen to this podcast too and like it's so. I think by nature we just isolate ourselves. We can do this, and it's like go find somebody It'll make all the difference 100%.
Speaker 1:Thank you for sharing that. Okay, last one If your life were a reality TV show, what would the title be?
Speaker 2:The title I was what would the title be the title? I was thinking what show would it be? I was like, oh, it'd be the Amazing Race, but what title would it be? Yep.
Speaker 1:What would the title be?
Speaker 2:Yeah, the title would probably be Broken, but Hopeful.
Speaker 1:Hey, I think that that's real, it's honest, it's true. I you know my transparency and I've said this from day one years ago. My husband, you know we matched 19 years ago and it was welcome to the shit show everybody you know come on in. And because it was chaotic and we made it work and there were good and bad times, I love that too. It was that that was what I would have called it. Yep, I love that too. It was that that was what what I would have called it. So, yep, and that's it.
Speaker 2:Totally resonates, I think, your title is better than mine.
Speaker 1:I like yours much better.
Speaker 2:Yours is more clickbaity and catchy. Oh yes, I resonate with that. Tell me more.
Speaker 1:Well, so if listeners want to connect with you, whether it's to follow you, reach out, because maybe they do need some support, especially from a male who has gone through this. What's the best way that they can get in touch with you?
Speaker 2:Yeah, I would encourage you guys to send us a DM on Instagram. There's a contact form on our website, othersidemedcom, but Instagram there's so many people who have DMed us over the last year and my wife and I both we've jumped on Zoom calls, we've talked about networking and have people who are looking for jobs because they're moving for residency and they're like I had to transition everything, I have no idea what to do now, and we've been able to help. So, if that sounds like you, shoot us a DM. There's not a question or a feeling that you're having that we haven't shared ourselves. So that would be the first place to connect with us on.
Speaker 1:Well, you guys are so kind and I know we talked about having you both on again next time, so I would love to have both of you on and I know you have so much more to share and teach everyone else, and so I just appreciate you and your time and congrats on the baby.
Speaker 2:Thank you.
Speaker 1:And good luck with the move and congrats on the baby. Thank you, and good luck with the move and congrats on just finishing everything up. That's huge.
Speaker 2:It feels good to close this out and to close out well, and I mean just major shout out to Hannah, she's an incredible wife, incredible physician incredible mom. She does so much well and I couldn't be more proud of her and be able to be proud to do this with her, so I'm excited to have her on the show and be able to contribute again next time.
Speaker 1:That's awesome. Well, congrats to you guys, and I just appreciate your time being here and till next time. Till next time, thanks, amanda, all right Bye. That's a wrap on this episode of Behind the White Coat. I hope today's conversation left you feeling more understood and supported, and if you enjoyed this episode, I would love for you to subscribe, leave a review or share it with another physician spouse. Your support helps more of us to connect. Keep in mind, this podcast is for you, so let's keep this conversation going. Dm me on Instagram at Amanda Barron Realtor with your thoughts, topic ideas, questions or even guest suggestions. I would really love to hear from you. Thanks for spending part of your day with me and remember you are never in this alone. See you next time.