Behind The White Coat - Real Talk For Physician Spouses

#11| The Life-Changing Magic of a "To-Don't" List

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Michelle Gothier, life coach and single mom, shares her journey from burnout in the corporate world to finding balance and helping others create more intentional lives. Her transition from an overwhelmed physician spouse to a thriving entrepreneur offers valuable insights for anyone facing similar challenges.

• Michelle's background includes 20 years in the corporate world while married to a physician
• The breaking point came when she felt inadequate as both a parent and professional
• Her shift to life coaching began after recognizing she needed more tools beyond "working harder"
• Life coaching differs from therapy by focusing on forward action and accountability
• The "rewriting your story" technique helps combat catastrophic thinking and what-if spirals
• Acknowledging feelings rather than suppressing them creates more capacity for joy
• Visualization practices help align daily decisions with your desired future
• Managing expectations during transitions prevents unnecessary disappointment
• Creating a "to-don't list" reduces decision fatigue and protects your energy
• Setting clear boundaries around time, commitments and activities transforms daily life

For more resources and Michelle's quiz on why you're feeling overwhelmed, visit michellegothier.com. You can also listen to her podcast "Overwhelmed Working Woman" for weekly quick tips to reduce stress.  Or send her a DM on instagram @michellgautheircoaching.


Speaker 1:

Hey guys and welcome to today's episode. I am super excited for our guest today for multiple reasons One, selfishly, she is one of my dear friends that I have known for a very long time. And then, two, she has great tips, advice, all the things that I know we've been discussing along the way that I know she'll be able to share with you some great takeaways. So, without further ado, I would love to introduce you to my dear friend, michelle Gothier. She is a single mom of two adopted kids and she understands firsthand the challenges of balancing work and family life. She was once an overwhelmed busy mom herself and juggling a successful 20-year corporate career before making a bold move to become a life coach in 2017. Since then, she's helped hundreds of people navigate their careers and home lives with greater ease. Michelle, welcome to the podcast. Hi, thanks so much for having me. Yes, I'm so excited to have you here and one just catch up because we haven't talked for a while, but to really dive kind of deep and have you give all of your special tips and tricks for people and how they can take these things home and just to do a little backstory.

Speaker 1:

So Michelle and I met while my husband was in med school training, which was, I mean, 25 years ago probably. We were just babies, I know which is so crazy. And Michelle and I have moved apart, stayed connected, stayed friends. She was even in our wedding, near and dear, and I have to tell a funny story. So we actually met in a running group team and training and for those of you that don't know, it is a great training platform for nonprofits cancer research and that was how we met and I'll never forget the day that we met. We were running and we were just small talking and she was like so what do you do and what does your husband do? And I had told you that he was in med school and I remember you specifically going shit, I'm trying to get away from medical people Medical, did I? I'm sorry. Medical people, medical, did I, I'm sorry? I still, to this day, remember and I was like oh, gosh, gosh, I'm so sorry. And she's like I just want to have friends outside of medicine.

Speaker 2:

And I remember you specifically saying and thankfully she kept me around, didn't get rid of me, definitely did 30 years later or whatever. However many years, oh my gosh, that is so funny. Yes, because I moved to San Antonio, which is where we both lived at the time. I moved to San Antonio because my husband was starting his residency and when he was in medical school because he was in the army.

Speaker 2:

So if anybody listening did like a military medical school, he didn't have to do a lot of the rotations at the end of med school that you have to do when you're trying to find a residency place. And so when he was in med school he had all this free time. Seriously, I would jokingly call it club med at the end, because he just didn't have as many things. He'd make my lunches for work and he was around a lot. And then we moved to San Antonio and he started working. At the time time he worked like 120 hours a week, which isn't even allowed.

Speaker 2:

Now, right, and I had no friends. The only people I knew were other doctors. We weren't from there, nothing. So I was like I'm going to make some friends and I'm going to have some friends of people who are like from here and do other things. And then you're like, oh yeah, my husband's a med student, but that was actually great because you weren't my husband's a med student, but that was actually great because you weren't. You were a teacher at the time and you were a runner. And I was like, okay, yes, we are definitely going to be buds. So you were one of my very first friends that I ever made during his residency, when I was so lonely I literally didn't know anybody and he was gone all the time.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, and you put up with me. She was a much faster runner and she carried me along. That is not even true?

Speaker 2:

That is not. I do remember you telling me once when we were on a long run I will seriously buy you Starbucks if we can stop running right now. Do you remember that?

Speaker 1:

I'm not surprised. But yeah. I was always up for a little pit stop, a walk break, something, because I was dying.

Speaker 2:

Yes, but you were a great runner and you were not any. I was not faster than you. We had a lot of fun. It helped us pass the time, because when you're training for a marathon, you run for like three hours straight. It's ridiculous.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, and that's why I found a lot of my close friends was in the running groups, because you couldn't get away from me.

Speaker 2:

That's right, you had three hours. You were stuck right next to me.

Speaker 1:

You just had to listen to me.

Speaker 2:

You know that's not true.

Speaker 1:

I know I know Well, michelle, give them just our listeners a little bit of background of you, your family, family dynamics, all those things.

Speaker 2:

Yes, yes. Well, if I say that I'm divorced from a doctor, is that going to offend your audience?

Speaker 1:

Never, Never we have so many different listeners.

Speaker 2:

So please tell your story. Well, it's interesting because, okay, so I was married to a doctor for about 20 years and, as anybody listening who's in this position knows, it is a lot when you are the other person, and I'm sure it's a lot when you're the physician too. I just didn't have that experience myself. But I had a really busy business career that I worked in for about 20 years. So I was in our family for a long time, both the breadwinner and the primary parent and really the only one around a lot, and so for me it just became so much pressure and so much responsibility, and that's not why I got divorced. But I just got to this point in life where I was feeling so overwhelmed with everything and it just felt terrible. I felt like I was not doing a good job as a mom because I was working so much. I felt like I wasn't doing a good job at work because I wasn't working enough. I mean, everything was like it felt like I couldn't win anywhere.

Speaker 1:

You were at your breaking point.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, exactly, I was definitely at my breaking point and I thought I don't feel like this is how it's supposed to be. Life is supposed to be fun and my kids are both adopted and we tried to have kids for a long time time and we really wanted kids. So once we had them, it was like I want to focus on this, I want to be there for my kids. I had many summers of paying a nanny to have fun with my kids and I was like I want to have fun with my kids.

Speaker 1:

I wanted Right Before they leave.

Speaker 2:

Right, I mean yes yes, exactly, so I did get divorced in there. But I will tell you, when you are co-parenting with someone who is in medicine, all the same things. You have all the same things whether you live with them or not. So still like that. Well, I'm going to be on call for Christmas, though you can have the kids for Christmas or like they can come, but then I need to be available to go into the hospital, so I had to make sure you know that they were old enough to stay home alone when it got to that point. So it's still the same complexity.

Speaker 1:

Sure, you're still juggling all the things and you have to pivot last minute for things and yes, exactly.

Speaker 2:

The good thing is I was practiced at it. It's not like this was a new thing. I was like, yep, okay, that's totally fine, I got this. Yeah, we can work that out. And everyone in medicine also knows that you can do your birthday on the day after your birthday or you could do Christmas on whatever day you decide is your Christmas holiday Holiday is often on different days.

Speaker 1:

Yes, exactly, and it's funny how your kids learn that too. Yeah, oh they do.

Speaker 2:

My kids are totally flexible on that Like, oh, this year's Christmas is on December 22nd. Okay, sounds great. Yep, that's fine. Yeah, they just learned to roll with it. Yep, exactly.

Speaker 2:

So I think I sort of jumped into the after there, but there was just a period where I felt really overwhelmed and at my breaking point I really wanted to do something different than what I was doing, but I didn't know what. I had this big problem. I didn't know how to fix it. And I was listening to a podcast one day and the guest was a life coach and I'd heard the term life coach mostly in a joking way, not a complimentary way, and she was talking about how she helped her clients and I was like that's it, that's what I want to do. And I had a couple friends and co-workers who jokingly called me their life coach all the time. Anyway, I just felt like, yeah, this is what I was meant to do. So I started.

Speaker 2:

I had this already busy life with two kids and a full-time job, and I started doing training to become a life coach on the side and I started seeing clients on my lunch hours that were basically non-existent. I'd have to shove it in there and be like I can't come to this meeting. I can't come to this meeting and I really loved it. And even though it was more work, I loved the actual work I was doing as a coach so much that I decided that I was just going to go for it. And at the same time that I got separated from my husband, I decided to quit my job and start my own business and get a puppy and move houses. I would do not recommend that, by the way. Oh, no wonder you felt so overwhelmed. I know it was like I was overwhelmed. I made myself more overwhelmed with the goal of being less overwhelmed.

Speaker 1:

Yes, You're like let's just rip off the bandaid and just do it all at the same time.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, all the same time. I was actually just being interviewed for a different podcast earlier this week and the woman was like so how did you get your business going? I was like well, for like a month I just laid on the couch being depressed and confused. That was step one.

Speaker 1:

You're like where do I go?

Speaker 2:

Yeah, and then eventually, I could go sit at my desk for a couple hours a day, so I wouldn't recommend doing all that at the same time, but in the end, by the time a year went by and then two years went by, it just started feeling better and better, and I feel like right now I have reached the point where I feel really good about the balance that I have in my life and, by the way, it's not the job. It's not the job. I love being a life coach and I can set my own hours, which is something that you can't do if you're in business, but you have to set your own boundaries and really make it so Instead, I think I first thought well, I'll just switch careers and then it will be so much better. But no, you have to change yourself in order to get that balance that you want.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, yeah, you are the CEO. Yeah, yeah, you are the CEO. Yeah.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, you have to create all of that. Yeah, and in my case, I had a habit of just working really hard, and when I would feel overwhelmed, the only tool I had was to work harder, and so when I brought that yeah, stay up later.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, and when I brought that into my own business as a single mom, I'd put my kids to bed and then I'd be like, well, I'm going to go back to my office and work, and I realized I had no clients. I was just starting out. I literally have like two clients in a week and I would go to my office and be like I need to work. What am I working on? I don't have any clients. I've already done all the marketing things that I have ideas to do. So it was funny. I was unconsciously just recreating the same situation. And that's when I realized I have to be really intentional about how I want my life to feel. Yeah, and then build boundaries and things around that.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, no, I love that. And so you kind of touched a little bit on what I was going to ask next. So you know exactly what is a life coach, what a life coach does, because I was the same as you I'd heard about it, but I didn't really know if it was something that I needed. I didn't really know what they did. So will you just for those that don't know what a life coach is or how it works, will you just explain that?

Speaker 2:

There are lots of different life coaches who do lots of different things, but I'll speak for myself. I know that that can be true. So when I was getting divorced, I had this therapist and she was awesome. I have written her several thank you notes over time. She was so great to me, but the part that I felt was missing from therapy was what should I do? What actions should I take? So she really helped me process what was going on in my life and helped me gently make a decision from a good place.

Speaker 2:

But I'm such an action taker of a person I literally wanted her to give me homework, tell me what I should do, talk about the behaviors that you may have had or habits that you have had from the past. But it's much more forward focused, and in my coaching it's a lot about me helping you stay accountable. So if you're working on something, then I would say what can you do in the next week to make sure you go forward on this? So that, to me, is the biggest difference between a life coach and a therapist, and therapists are trained in a totally different way. By the way, they can help people with trauma and things that I really don't know anything about this is much more. How are you thinking about things, how is that affecting what you do in your life? And when you change the way that you think, you get different results in your life.

Speaker 1:

Yeah Well, and I can speak from experience. So I did do life coaching with Michelle and I probably need to still continue doing it. I've had quite a few sessions with her, but I remember specifically us talking and I was parked in a parking lot and I just it was like ugly crying. It was ugly crying to Michelle and it was like where in the hell is this coming from? Like I didn't even know. And not only is her voice like so calming, but she's got this way for you to kind of pause, stop, reflect and just lay it all out there, and then she kind of helps you pick the pieces up. And where do we start? And I wanted to just give her a little shout out, because there are still tools, Michelle, that you have taught me, that I still use, and I wanted to mention three of them.

Speaker 2:

Oh, that's so great.

Speaker 1:

Thank you, yes, tell me yes. So one of them is I am the big what-iffer and I can what-if something into the ground and it's spiral. It could be any time of day. Typically it's about two in the morning when I'm solving all of life's problems, and she taught me to be like you are trying to fix something that hasn't even happened yet, but I have what if'd it till it's in the ground that it was rewriting this script, rewriting this story, rewriting the way that this story was playing out in my head. And I still do that to this day of hold on a second. Let me stop. Let me rewrite this, and it is amazing how it sounds so simple and it is, but it's like acknowledging and doing that it has helped me tremendously that naturally Our brain is wired to try to keep us safe.

Speaker 2:

So it's like let's investigate every bad thing that could happen from this idea and pretty soon, like mine always ends with, and my children and I are on the street without a home. You know, like you could go all the way to the bottom so quickly.

Speaker 1:

I mean it's the worst of the worst and I'm like where in the hell did that even?

Speaker 2:

come from? Yes, yes, and most decisions are not that important. You know, there's probably like five in life that are really important.

Speaker 1:

And so.

Speaker 2:

I think if you are able to just be like, oh okay, my brain is making an effort to keep me safe, quote, unquote and telling me this whole story, but I don't have any data to support that all of this is actually going to go wrong. So let's just try it If it doesn't work we'll just do something else.

Speaker 1:

Exactly. And that brings me to the second thing that she taught me in our coaching was basically like acknowledging how I was feeling. If I was like tensed up, if I could feel something in the pit of my stomach, if I could feel my heart race or sweaty, like okay, acknowledge what's happening, but then just move on from it. Once I've retold this story, rewritten this script, acknowledge that feeling, sit with it for a minute and then let's rewrite it. And so just knowing that it's okay to feel that way.

Speaker 2:

Yes, and to pay attention to the clues that your body's giving you, because usually if you get that feeling in the pit of your stomach, it's probably something that's a no for you. But when you're disconnected from your body you might miss that and you might logic your way into doing something that you really don't want to do. When I was super overwhelmed and busy, I really just didn't have time for feelings. I'm using air quotes on that Like who's got time to feel anything? And I would brag barf, but I would brag like I haven't cried in like five years. I mean, I'm fine, I'm fine all the time. There's nothing you can say or do, or you can give me a million things to do and I will never break.

Speaker 2:

I am such a strong person. I don't know why. I thought that was a good path to take. Yeah, but actually I do. I mean, I was given the message over life that it's good for me to be easy and agreeable and okay, and so I just did that and once I started crying or being frustrated or being angry or some of those emotions that I had previously deemed bad, it makes you have the ability to have so much more joy and so much more calm, yeah, it's free.

Speaker 2:

Yes, it's like okay, I can be super upset, I can be really pissed off, I can cry whatever, and then it's just gone and then you can move on with life instead of just stuffing it down all the time.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, and I think for us a lot of times what makes it hard is that a lot of times, as females, it doesn't mean it doesn't happen with males, but we are people pleasers, yeah, and so it's like we'll fix anything, we'll just take it in stride and we'll be okay with it, or, like you said, I'm fine, yeah, and so that really helped me. And then the last thing that I still do now was it's kind of like a mindset thing, but it's visualizing. I remember you would make me like sit with my coffee and like you know a very nice place outside or tranquil place outside, and it was just like visualizing that perfect morning or that perfect day. Obviously, nothing's perfect but just visualizing what I want that to look like. And I think that helped me make some decisions that maybe weren't necessarily right for me or weren't aligned for me, because I kind of had laid that platform or that foundation of what I wanted it to look like or visualized it to look like.

Speaker 2:

Yes, that's so great.

Speaker 2:

Like you had that overall vision so you knew what wouldn't fit and what would fit and what kind of decisions to make.

Speaker 2:

I think that's so great Because if you think about anything that you have in your life, a real you know, like, for example, right now you guys are redoing your house and you're currently living in a rental house, but you had the idea and the vision to do that before you did it. So visualization, or thinking ahead about what you want, is the first step, and then you can start taking action from there. And my personal belief is that once we do that, you get into the feeling state of how it's going to feel like, how beautiful your house is going to look when it's all done and how homey it's going to feel and how you're going to feel so comfortable when you're in it, and then the universe starts bringing you opportunities from that place of like calm and comfort and all of that I just truly believe. When you take the time to visualize, things start coming to you and you start taking actions toward it and eventually you have it.

Speaker 1:

Yep, I totally agree. Thank you for sharing that, Michelle. So what I wanted to ask you is a lot of our listeners are in training, they are clients, they are moving cross-country for training, and what would be some takeaways or potentially like a couple action steps, action items that they could take to feel a little bit less overwhelmed, a little bit yeah, just stressed out in an already stressful situation?

Speaker 2:

So a couple quick tips. I could talk on this for like two hours, so I'm just going to say, like my top things that I would recommend. And the first thing is to check what your expectations are of yourself. So let's say, for example, you're moving to a new city for your residency or your spouse's residency, and you have an expectation unconscious You're probably not consciously thinking this, but unconsciously you have this expectation that you guys are going to be all moved in and unpacked and have friends and know all the great local restaurants in like one month's time.

Speaker 2:

And then, when it's been a month and you still have boxes in your kitchen and you don't know anybody yet and your spouse is at work all the time and you're just trying to get used to this new situation and maybe even have kids thrown in the mix, you're like this sucks, this is horrible. And so what I would recommend anytime you're going into a big change is to just check your unconscious expectations of yourself and what you're thinking and then just rewrite those. To be more specific, so maybe your goal is to be unpacked in your kitchen in the first three weeks, or maybe in the first six months you want to make one real friend.

Speaker 2:

Or something like that, so like just smaller, yes, just make your expectations longer, give yourself more time to do things and then just make the what you think you're going to get. Just make it easy for yourself to get some little wins instead of being super disappointed with yourself Even when you're doing great. That's the problem. Like, if you're moving to a new place. Just even getting there and unpacking enough to make a dinner is a real win.

Speaker 1:

It is, it is, and I think we've got to focus on that, because I'm guilty of focusing on the big picture and I want everything done in a very short period of time, which we all know is not realistic, and so I tend to focus on the things I haven't done as opposed to the things I have done.

Speaker 2:

Yes, exactly, which is totally human nature. Like no problem, that that's what your brain offers, but catching it and being like, okay, I want everything to be absolutely perfect. Is that realistic? And another good thing to think is if your best friend told you, hey, I'm going to move somewhere new and in a month I'm going to have my house all unpacked and have a good friend and know all the local places, you'd be like I don't know if that's realistic. So think about it like that Would you give your best friend that assignment?

Speaker 2:

So the first thing I would recommend is definitely changing your expectations. And then the second thing that I would recommend is it's like I just paid you to lead into what my next thing was going to be is to really try to keep track of your wins. That's one of the things that I ask at the beginning of every session I have with a client what are your wins? Because our brain will just automatically forget all of the things that we are doing right. So, again, if you're moving to a new city or starting a new training program, or you just got married or whatever it is, just take a little bit of time every day to write them down. I know Amanda likes to have coffee in the morning and have a little quiet time. So you have lots of evidence that for you, that really sets your day off on the right foot. So take the time to do that and pay attention to what is going well. I love that.

Speaker 2:

Okay, and then the third tip that I have is because if you're a physician or a spouse of a physician, you're going to have a super long to-do list, probably pretty much all the time, and sometimes people get really frustrated like I'm never getting all these things done.

Speaker 2:

And one thing that I recommend is to have a to don't list and literally make a list of things that you don't do. And the reason why this is valuable is because it just takes away from the decision fatigue of trying to figure out okay, do I want to do that thing or do I not want to do that thing? So a good example in my life is my kids go to their dad's house every other weekend and they come home on Sundays. And when they come home on Sundays, often my parents and my family gets together on Sundays like my bigger family and they want us to do something. Our friends will say I know your kids are gone this weekend, so let's do something on Sunday. And I just found over time that that turned out to be a train wreck, because they're tired.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, there's a lot of emotional transition between places. It's physically like a two-hour drive for them to get here, and so we just don't do things on Sunday. And it's so nice to know, because if anyone asks us, I just automatically know that the answer is no, like sorry, we'll have to catch up with you guys a different time. My kids get home that day and we really just hang around at home and it has made the biggest difference for our Mondays. And then I have a ton of them for myself, like I don't wear any clothing that isn't comfortable. Yeah, I love that. So if I'm trying something on and I'm like, oh, it's so cute, even if it's flattering, but it's itchy or something, I'm out or killing your feet, yes, exactly.

Speaker 2:

Or killing my feet. I'm just definitely out for that one, and I really don't enjoy feeling uncomfortable all day. It just makes a big difference in my day if I feel comfortable or uncomfortable. So that's another one that I have personally for myself. I don't know, what do you have on your to-don't list, amanda?

Speaker 1:

I think it just helps, like you said, make decisions quicker, and for me it helped me learn to say no and not feel guilty. If I'd already made up this list of things that I know for sure that I'm not going to do. One of the things that we did when we had kids we had told both sides of the family that we weren't going to travel for Christmas because one it was just hard over the holidays. It made everything hard. We didn't want to have to lug gifts or anything. And then as a family we wanted to start our own family traditions. So that was one of the things that we knew and thankfully our families understood and respected it. And then as we got older, as the kids got older, it was a little bit easier to travel and that kind of thing. But I love the idea of a to-don't list. And then do you recommend that that list kind of change?

Speaker 2:

Yeah, I definitely think you could look back at it.

Speaker 2:

But I think it's one of those things like you make the to-don't list and you keep it in your planner where you're doing your to-do list and then you can just remind yourself, like for me. I mentioned that I came from a background of doing work at really odd hours and now I just don't, I just don't. I very rarely have a meeting before nine and I don't have meetings after four, and so if I meet somebody who's like, oh, I'd love to work with you, but I have to meet at seven o'clock in the morning, I'm like shoot, I will give you the name of a different coach who I know does those hours because it's just not me and it's not even a question, it's nothing personal against that person. So having boundaries like that just really saves you and it helps keep you in line, because sometimes you might be in a moment where you really like the person or you really want to help them or whatever, but it doesn't fit into the life that I'm trying to create for myself and my kids.

Speaker 1:

Yep, I love that, and I think that to don't list could bleed into both personal, business life, your family, your kids, and so I love that. Yes, yes, I totally recommend that. Okay, so I always love to wrap up each episode with the same exact two questions. So first question tips or advice that you would give your younger self, oh gosh.

Speaker 2:

Okay, I think it's just, it's funny. I'm wearing this t-shirt right now that says I got this, and I think that is what I would have told myself. So when I was moving to San Antonio and my husband was in the military and doing his residency and I had a job, that I had worked at an office and now I was going to be remote and I had just had so much pressure on myself to try to make everything work, and so what I would say is like it's all going to be fine, it's never as big of a deal as it feels like, and everything in that moment right.

Speaker 2:

Yes, In that moment it just feels so heavy. And I think we talked about acknowledging our feelings and saying like I feel really, if I were to look back on myself, I feel really lonely, I feel really sad, I feel stuck. I don't know what to do. Acknowledging that all of those feelings are true, but reminding yourself it's all going to be okay. You're not going to be in that place forever. Even when we couldn't have kids and all of our friends were having kids and I was going to baby showers and I was so sad. First of all, I wouldn't let myself acknowledge that I was sad mistake number one. But if I could have just let myself be sad and then told myself it's going to be okay, life is going to work out okay. It might not seem like it right now, and now I feel like, oh my gosh, I couldn't have had a better outcome than I actually had. I just couldn't see it at the time. Yep, yep.

Speaker 1:

Exactly Okay. Last question If your life was a reality TV show, what would it be called? Oh man, and I love this one so much because people's answers crack me up.

Speaker 2:

I bet, oh my gosh. Okay, the first thing that came to mind was that came to mind was and she has boundaries. That would be mine for sure, because, as a person who is a recovering people pleaser, working so hard all the time trying to prove my enoughness and all that stuff, and I think if you did a reality show of my life right now, you'd be like, okay, she does what she says she's going to do, she's got boundaries, she says no.

Speaker 2:

I don't know if I go as far as she's got it together. Some days, some days that could be the title.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, as all of us. Well, I love that. I think that's a perfect title for you and I loved this time for us to connect and just catch up, and I think a lot of what we discussed and tips will definitely help a lot of our listeners. And if somebody is interested in reaching out to you or potentially coaching with you, what's the best way that they can find you or get in touch with you?

Speaker 2:

Well, they can go to my website, which is just michellegothiercom, and that has. One fun thing on my website is a free quiz to see why you're feeling overwhelmed, and it gives you the answer and then also gives you some free resources that you can use to try to feel better, and then you can learn how to work with me on there too. You can schedule a consultation with me from the website, and then my podcast is called Overwhelmed Working Woman. So if you're looking for just a free way to feel better, I drop a new episode every Monday and it's always short and it always has one tip that you can take through your week to feel less stressed or overwhelmed.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, I listen to her podcast every single week and, like she said, it's nice because they're just little nuggets, little takeaways that you can apply right away to whatever your situation is, so highly recommend it, michelle. Thank you for being here, thank you for your time and you'll have to come back. I know we have so many more things that we could discuss, so I would love to have you back.

Speaker 2:

Yes, for sure, For sure. Well, thanks for everything that you're putting out into the world. When I think back to I was talking about when we first became friends. First of all, there weren't podcasts then.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, right, but if there would have been a podcast like this that would have been so amazing. Or if I would have had a realtor like you first of all, I would have just made you be my friend, but someone who is really knowledgeable about what I was specifically going through and where we should live, and connect me with groups. That could be good for me. I just feel like you're taking everything that was hard when we were in that place and you're solving it for people and creating community where we didn't have community. So I'm really appreciative of what you're putting out into the world where we didn't have community.

Speaker 2:

So I'm really appreciative of what you're putting out into the world. Well, thank you.

Speaker 1:

Those kind words mean so much to me, so I appreciate you, your friendship and your time. So thank you, guys, and until next time. That's a wrap on this episode of Behind the White Coat. I hope today's conversation left you feeling more understood and supported, and if you enjoyed this episode, I would love for you to subscribe, leave a review or share it with another physician spouse. Your support helps more of us to connect. Keep in mind, this podcast is for you, so let's keep this conversation going. Dm me on Instagram at Amanda Barron Realtor with your thoughts, topic ideas, questions or even guest suggestions. I would really love to hear from you. Thanks for spending part of your day with me and remember you are never in this alone. See you next time.