OJ Stellar & Sidney Summers: Adult Industry Secrets & The American Sex Obsession

What does it mean to be queer, after living a life in front of the camera? Former adult performers Sidney Summers (@sidneysummers.x) and OJ Stellar (@stellar.oj) spill industry secrets that the general population ought to know! Join PJ Brescia (@pjbrescia) from BabyGay Podcast (@babygaytv) as they chat with the hilarious Sidney Summers & OJ Stellar from Online Forever Podcast (@onlineforeverpod) as they get real about their queer identities.

Get ready for wild stories about coming out again and again (OJ says it's a constant thing!), navigating fluid sexuality, and carving out their authentic selves in the LGBTQ+ world. We'll explore Sidney's complex journey with gender identity and OJ's game-changing coming out moments.

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 And then you moved to LA like a couple months later? Mm-hmm. Yeah. Unrelated. And then we started the pod and then we became friends. Yeah. We were like, oh wow. We weren't friends until we started the podcast. Really? Oh my gosh. We'd like shot like sex scenes with each other, but that doesn't mean anything, right?

Yeah, yeah, yeah. 

That's like getting. I gay. 

I am PJ Brescia, they them pronouns. Your host of the Baby Gay podcast and the founder of the baby gay community celebrating the coming out process through storytelling, advocacy, and togetherness. I came out later in life and I knew nothing about queer culture.

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Today we are at the historic Black Cat in Silver Lake, California with our incredible hosts, OJ Stellar and Sydney Summers of the Online Forever Podcast. Yay. 

Yay. 

Thank you so much for being here. Welcome. 

Thank you. You are such a pleasure. 

One of our first episodes, so it's a big deal. And you're my first two guests on one interviewer.

Wow. Yeah. 

First threesome. 

First threesome. 

Wow. Yeah, 

it's an honor. It's an honor. It feels great so far. 

I'm just happy to be making so much unadulterated eye contact with you for this long. Yes, I know. It's let's, 

let's not blink the whole time. 

I don't blink 

and I refuse. I do too. Do you wear contacts? See about, 

uh, no.

I have Perfect. 2020. I do. 

Do you? Sorry. Perfect. 2020. Yeah. Oh, I have horrible 

vision. 

What is it? 2010 negative 

four. Negative four. 

Negative four. Yeah. Okay. 

What do you have? 

Mm. It's, that's such a great question. I, I have an astigmatism. Okay. Not to get into my trauma, but Yeah, no, let's, 

let's dive in. This is, this is what it's all about.

Yeah. No. Well, firstly, I'm a little nervous because you're on your podcast. You all sound very intelligent and very. And I don't feel that. That's wild. I don't feel that. 

Um, thank you so much. Yeah. It's seriously because I feel 

like 

we're bottom 

of the barrel on our Yeah. I feel like it's the, the lowest hanging fruit.

No, no. We, I mean we try am like, we would be so drunk if we're sober. Like the bottom remedy. Yeah. Yeah. But yeah, we do try to give you little tidbits of information. So there's, there's a lot of tidbits. I'm happy that you're picking up on that. Yeah. 

Like the Roman Empire element. 

Mm, huge. All her. I didn't know.

I didn't know that until like in the past year. And it's, you know, the weird stat that people think about it once a day or something like that. What? 

Who? Not me. Not 

me. Not me either. Men are tipping the scales. Men are living the road. How are they doing 

Studies on people's thoughts. 

Okay, well I have an answer.

The tell a straight what? What's that podcast that we love? 

Oh, telepathy tapes tele. Yeah. 

I'm in episode three. It's insane. Oh yes. 

Yeah, yeah. The Telepathy Tapes podcast has surpassed Joe Rogan. 

Good. Yeah. Mm-hmm. 

Also, to 

answer your previous question, yes. So they can hook up to like, parts of your brains and say something like, think about a dog, or like, think about your father.

And then they read how those are like, uh, affecting the brainwaves on a, on a graph basically. And then they know when you're thinking about that thing, and actually they've done dream studies. They can tell what people are dreaming about using the same technology. 

Wow. Wow. That's crazy. Right. Wow. Have you, I, I'm pretty sure you haven't, but any sleep studies?

I've never, any sleep studies, never taken any, 

no. But I would. Mm-hmm. Are you a good sleeper? 

I would say, yeah. I 

would say we both are big sleepers. Big, big on sleep. Really, really never been a less than eight hours a night kind of a person. Mm-hmm. Ever. Yeah. 

I don't I agree. And like that, I was kind of like thinking about that for Kamala during campaign.

I'm like, how, how, like, how physically, how do they go on campaign and, you know, show up. Yeah. And, and perform. 

Mm-hmm. Right. 

Multiple times a day, every day for like months and months and months, like, 

mm-hmm. Yeah. I'm, it's intense. I'm thinking peptides. Peptides. I'm thinking IVs. Yeah. IVs, you know, cold plunges.

I don't know everything that Huberman talks about. Mm. Have 

you done the IVs before? 

I love the IVs. Yeah. It's been a minute, but, mm. 

I've only done it once. 

Me too. And it was very necessary in my life that day. 

Yeah, yeah. Yep. Yeah. I Tell us, tell us we got drunk. Mm-hmm. Did I say white girl wasted? Yeah. Yeah.

And then we had a podcast to film the next day. Right. And I passed out at your house, which I'm not a sleepover person. Mm-hmm. If it is at all possible, I will be going home to my own bed. Mm-hmm. But I woke up, sitting up basically on her chair in her living room and uh, yeah, we had a podcast to do, so we were like, we need an emergency.

So we. Like got the nurses to come over and give us, and we got 

massages together. Wow. And we 

Oh, I forgot about that. Yeah. And then we proceeded to record one of the worst podcasts we've ever done. Yeah. Hmm. Yeah. But it did well on YouTube. And I still don't understand why it's 'cause it was people from the adult entertainment and sometimes they just, they just bring in the views.

Mm. Mm-hmm. The Gooners. Mm-hmm. The gooners are thirsty. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. 

They love to see two women suffering. 

Did you, well, did you, were you bringing what you were experiencing to the episode or were you trying to ignore it? 

Both. Yeah. It was impossible to ignore it, but we were trying our hardest, it was hard.

And I was like, we were interviewing 

two people who are like obsessed with Bitcoin. We let them talk way too much about Bitcoin. We couldn't stop it. It was, it was hard. Yeah. Now what do you guys know about quantum computers? Oh, because that shit is crazy. And I don't wanna go too off, but it's like all I've been thinking about Tell us quantum computers.

Yeah. Tell us. So basically. This month, well actually, sorry, December. Okay. They have developed quantum computers to the point that this computer was able to solve a math problem that would've taken our most advanced supercomputer 10 septillion years sillion to complete, which is the amount of time since the Big Bang till now.

Oh. 

And it did it in five minutes. 

Oh, okay. Explain the difference between, um, super computer and quantum 

computer. So, a super computer is just like basic electricity, like it's the best that we can make. 

Mm-hmm. 

Quantum computer, I don't, I fully do not claim to understand alien. It's, it's aliens for sure.

Aliens think it's literally like tapping into a different dimension. So basically what it does is, you know how, you know in quantum physics how particles, there's two particles, somehow they're related. They can be as separated as far as possible, but they still like when one switches the direction, the other one switches it.

So basically they figured out how to use that in a computer whereby these two particles acting together can represent both a one and a zero at the same time. Instead of just the binary, nonbinary, non-binary, nonbinary computer. Nonbinary computer. The non-binary binary. 

Because the binary is the computer language, right?

Yeah. Yeah. So the binary has become non-binary. 

Yep. 

Of the computer sphere. Amen. And, and thank, thank you. On shadow 

time, they them quantum, but watching computers, they figure they're so fast and they can represent so many different options at once. That they will eventually, once the technology is there, render Bitcoin completely useless.

'cause they'll be able to like quickly decipher the encrypt encryption in like seconds basically. 

Oh, and deciphering the encryption of a Bitcoin does what to the Bitcoin? 

Uh, allows it to steal them. 

Yeah, you could steal 'em. 

Oh, right. Oh, counterfeit Bitcoin. Is that what we're talking about? Or? No, I 

think it would just, these computers could basically just steal the Bitcoins from the pe, the holder of the Bitcoin.

Oh. And the computers are doing it. Not yet. They're, the technology's not there because they have to be at zero degrees Kelvin to work, which is the Kelvin Kel. Oh my God. Yeah. 

I always, in science classes, I always just, I can't take Kelvin seriously. I can't do it. They say Kelvin and I start dying laughing.

It's just such a silly name, and I don't know. I just kelvin's in the closet and we, and we wish it's true. We wish Kelvin the best. Well, 

Kelvin might be non-binary. 

Yeah, that's true. You, and for the listeners that never fully grasped the Kelvin, what is Kelvin is the 

Kel is absolute 

zero. 

Right? Oh, I thought it was a measurement of temperature.

I thought it was a Celsius. Yeah. Fahrenheit. Kelvin. Mm-hmm. But Calvin, yeah, but is Calvin. Oh, this is an educated book. Yeah. Who is Calvin? Who is Calvin? Who are you nervous? Right? Did you excel science? You, I feel 

like I, I love science. 

Yeah, I do. It reads, 

I really liked anatomy and physiology. I got a 101 I believe.

Wow. 

I took, I took that class twice in college and I did pretty poorly both times. Oh, I'm surprised. I know how 

many bones are there in the body. 

206. 

Yes. Like you just know that. 

Well, I actually read it from her mind. Yeah, I know. I believe that, that, I believe that. I believe. Um, okay. T'S case 207. Yeah. 

Do I got, 

wait, why?

That's right. Oh, 

well, we don't 

know. 

Don't assume. Don't assume the genital. Um, well, okay. Something to tie in the Telepathy Tapes podcast and science. Yes. Class. Yes. Um, just remembered that this girl in my science class one day was like, do you ever, can you ever read people's minds? And I was like. Uh, yeah.

And she was like, watch this in the, it was chemistry class and our chemistry professor who was very much like a breaking bad type of chemistry teacher. Okay. So say that. Yeah. But um, he was talking and she was mouthing everything he was saying as he was saying it. She was like, sometimes I can just like do this.

I can kind of do that too. Oh, wait, is that not like a, that's not everyone can do that. 

I feel like everyone can, but not surely not everyone knows 

Taps in. Yeah. They don't tap, 

they're not tap dancing into it. 

I do feel like I've done that before, 

now that I believe. Mm-hmm. Right. Because at your New Year's party, you're just manifesting everything that's happening.

Yeah. You're like, actually your friend is coming here for the party. And then it happened. 

And then it happened. Yeah. Shout out to Kate, 

who I love. 

She needs to, 

so where is she? She needs to as podcast. Sit right here. 

I know. Seriously. Yeah. Oh, I'm so glad that you guys met. Um, yeah. At PJ's, um, I was gonna say Halloween, new Year's party.

We were like, we're gonna leave because we have to go do so. And the whole time you were like, no, no. 

That's not gonna work. You're 

actually not gonna be leaving. And then we didn't. You did. 

It's, that was a success. 

Powerful, powerful, powerful person. Yeah. Mm-hmm. 

Manifestations. Let's go in there. Let's get witchy.

Mm. Please. I would love nothing more. 

I, I have always felt a kinship to witches. I remember, and this can go to gender and everything, I remember kindergarten, I deeply wanted to be a witch for Halloween. 

Mm. 

And my mom and dad were not so excited about that. 

Mm. 

And I was a, not forest, but I was, uh, a red power ranger.

Instead, me and every other. Male and that. Yeah. A 

boy witch 

boy witch. Yeah, exactly. And then at mid, mid, uh, trick or treating, I kind of had a temper tantrum. Yep. And went home and put on my witch outfit. Where'd you get the witch outfit? You know, just back up, back up in the closet, you know, just classic made 

appear.

Yeah. I made it appeared cheap, period. Seriously. I've al and like witches. Were all doll witches. I've always loved Mm. Um, hocus pocus. Mm-hmm. I haven't seen number two, I've heard mixed reviews. Mm. Saying I was like that 

as a kid too, like. Was it hadn't before even being really like exposed to witchcraft, I was like, I need a robe.

I need to make myself a robe and yeah. Mm-hmm. I need to make potions out of plants for some reason. 

Yes, yes, yes. And at recess, me and my friend would play witches witch slash berries. Yeah. And we'd go and like, make stick soup and like, yes, yes. I did the stick, so, yeah, yeah, yeah. Did you ever make fairy houses?

No. Oh. What about pine cone babies? What are fa wait, pine cone babies? 

Not a universal experience. I'd love an explanation. Yeah, yeah. Let's 

hear about that. 

Well, when a mommy pine cone and a tiny pine cone love each other very much. No, I'm just kidding. Um, basically you take a pine cone, shove rocks into the seeds to make it look like a face.

Shove, sticks in for arms and legs. There you have a pine cone baby. Oh, when you say the 

seeds? Yeah. The, like, the whole, like the, the gaps, the whole, the gaps, the, the. Um, I purchased some pine cones. I don't know if you noticed them in my house for mm-hmm. You know, seasonal cinnamon pine cones. Mm-hmm. You have to have it in your home.

December. 

Your home smells, I mean, incredible. Oh, thank you. Let's just go there. Thank you. Yeah, 

I tried. I got the, the Frazier fur fra out ffr ffr out to Frazier fur. Uh, it's a really good scented candle for the holidays. My sister sent it to me last year and it's like, special and I was like, I'm gonna buy it for myself this year.

'cause I didn't get it from my sister this year. So I did. But you 

also, you also have the pot going with the, with the cinnamon and the orange. This 

Yes. The la And so there's a, my family has, like, my sister made a really beautiful gift. My mom passed. We'll get there, whatever. But like, my sister has like a beautiful Christmas gift for us made, like assembled all the recipes.

So we have a brush of family cookbook. Mm. And in it has like Christmas scent. Oh. And it's just like cinnamon. I know. Like oranges, lemons, um. Uh, what are the, like the spices? Cloves. Cloves. Yeah. Cloves and all the good stuff. 

Oh, no anise. 

There wasn't anise, but you could throw some in these in there. You throw them in there?

Yeah. Why throw some in there? Um, what's the leaf that like you only use one bay leaf. A bay leaf. 

I did the Martha Stewart cloves and the orange this year. Mm-hmm. Highly recommend. Mm-hmm. 

Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Did you see Martha like the doc document? Did I 

Oh, did I? 

That's literally you. I love. 

I bet you did. I loved it.

I loved it so much. I was like, wait, Martha, you're dad. It was so inspiring. 

Yeah. Yeah. And so unsettling that the first self-made female bill leader in the us they were like, you know what? Throw her in prison. Yeah. I was like, oh my God. 

Yeah. 

Witch 

hunt. Yeah. Literally, 

literally. Literally. 

Yeah. She didn't do any insider trading.

No. You guys, just to, you think Martha Stewart cares about 40 grand. 

I mean, literally, it's crazy. Pennies 

to her. It 

is. I mean, I, I just, she's transformed. She's evolved. I think that's something that I can really relate to in the sense of just like always evolving and changing and growing. And I just, I 

loved her prison journey.

I loved how they talked about how it was her worst, like something like that was her worst nightmare that she possibly could have imagined. And she lived through it and afterwards she was completely free and I was just like, wow. Yes. That resonates so much. 

Yes. Living through your biggest fears really does that too.

Mm-hmm. It's so transformative. 

Mm-hmm. Or just like having like something so stigmatizing happen to, to you and your brand and then like Yeah. I mean that really, really does resonate on a personal level. Mm-hmm. For sure. And then you just. You attract, I don't know, like a, a pure um, audience after that I think.

Yes. Yeah. Because like they watched you go through something and they can resonate. 'cause everyone has gone through something shameful. Mm-hmm. And yeah. In incredible, this 

is like the authenticity. It's like just if you're authentic, no one can take that away from you. Right. And it's like, it's like a shield of sort.

I mean it's mm-hmm. You don't even need a shield. It's just 'cause you're being who you are. And if people don't like it, then fuck them. You'll attract. Don't chase. Attract. Yes. Attract, attract. 

Let's 

attract. 

Yes. I'd say we all attracted each other for sure. Into 

so baby a podcast. Uh, we, a mission of ours is talk about coming out stories.

Mm-hmm. Because it's really helpful for the people that are still in the closet who are struggling. Because I know for me, coming out later, it wasn't until I saw myself in other people. Mm. That I, that it basically was like, it's okay. You're okay. They're, they're, they're normal, which is obviously not a right word, but like they are normal and be surviving and doing well in life.

Like, then it, it freed me to become my authentic self. Let's dive into our coming out stories or our relationship with our sexuality. 

Such an easy 

topic. So easy. I figured this out forever ago. Yeah. No, um, I'd say it's a journey. It's never ending. Mm-hmm. You know, and I also think that it's okay to have phases with it.

Like, there was a time in my life where I was masculine presenting and had nothing to do with femininity and, um, and rejected it completely. And there was a time, you know, where I was so sure I was a lesbian and there was, you know, whatever. It, it's all moving And, um. I'm gonna pass the mic to you for a second.

Well, how do you, before, how do you identify if you, I mean, and you don't have to. Um, 

I would, I mean, the main thing I identify as is not straight, which, you know, we can say gay, we can say queer, we can say bisexual, we can say pansexual. It all means not straight. And that's what I am. Yeah. I identify as a extraterrestrial and I always knew too.

Mm-hmm. Yeah. Mm-hmm. 

Really? Like, 

yeah. Yeah. I remember, oh, this is good. I remember watching, um, there was an Oprah episode and this couple was on there and they both came out to each other on the same day and they were there with their current gay partners. And it's like the four of them like, can you believe that we were straight once?

And I remember like watching that and feeling like, oh my God, what? Because I thought like anyone could just wake up one day and. Like, oh my God, I'm gay now. Like turn gay. Yeah, like turn gay. Yeah. And it, that like scared me. 'cause deep down I knew that I, maybe that could happen to me one day if I don't like, I don't know.

So it, as a child it felt like scary. Mm-hmm. To be gay. I came out to my mom in middle school and she was kind of like, honey, no. Just 'cause you are in love with girls and think they're gorgeous and dry hump them doesn't mean that you're bisexual. Mm-hmm. We all do that. I was like, okay mom. You know, and then, you know, I feel like bisexual girl, everyone has to come out a bunch of times.

Mm-hmm. You know? Mm-hmm. Yeah. It wasn't until I like brought home a girl did my family. Really? They were like, oh. Right, right. And it was like my, um, when 

was that? 

I was in college. It was actually, I was a TA for this class, uh, gender power and privilege and, um, the other TA in the class and I. You know.

Mm-hmm. Um, got together. It taught Right. It expressed our gender power. Yeah. Expressed our gender powering privilege together. Yeah. Yeah. So we started dating and then they came out as non-binary, and they also were polyamorous. So I was kind of hitting my parents with three things at once, and they were like, whoa.

And, um, they were annoying about it, but they're boomers. Yeah. So everyone needs time. Yeah. But, and now I'm really positive. Please. 

A lot of what you said resonates hardcore, unsurprising, similar life trajectories. Mm-hmm. I don't know. I always liked, always liked boys, always liked girls. I, my, I feel like my sexuality is very wrapped up in like trauma, life, story, sex work, all of that has like very much informed those things that I'm still working.

Through so much of that, I feel like why? Like when we were at your party and we were like, let's share deepest, dark secrets. And everyone was like, actually I'm going to trauma dump right now. 

Yeah. I, I I didn't realize that was gonna be a real thing. Okay. No, we were 

already 

Okay. Just for the listeners we were at, uh, I hosted a little, um, new year, except kinda like, it's slightly impromptu New Year's Eve, fun get together, eight people, like not many people knew of each other beforehand.

We're having a great time, good energy. We're having, um, a little backyard bonfire scenario and someone's like, I, was it one of you potentially? Yeah. It was sydnee. It was like, let's share our deepest, darkest secrets. And I, I, I laughed. It was like, ha ha. Yeah. Ha ha. Like, for sure, but then it turned real.

Yeah. 

And we legitimately started going around sharing our deepest, darkest secrets. 

Mm-hmm. 

Yeah. I mean, I'm 

always down. I love that shit. Me too. Yeah, me too. 

Truly. My dad growing up was in love with me. Yeah. So I feel like because of that, I was like, looking back now, I'm like, that definitely underlined a lot of feelings I had towards men and being like really scared of them for a long time.

And also feelings about gender. 'cause I was just like, being female presenting is, uh, dangerous and just felt wrong for a long time. So yeah, all throughout my twenties, shaved head, like, dressed like a boy, really only dated women for a while, still sleeping with men. 'cause also the sex addiction comes into all of it.

Hmm. So it, it's just, yeah, I don't know. There's, there's no clear cut answers I feel like, with my sexuality or my gender. And there never have been. Um, and then when I started doing sex work, I, you know, there's. Money and being feminine mm-hmm. Presenting as ultra female. Mm-hmm. And like cosplaying, the girliest girl, you can.

And so at that point I, I hated, like, I really needed people to, they them me all the time before that. And once I started presenting like a girl like it, that just was never gonna really like happen like that I felt like. Mm-hmm. So I was like, you know what, I'm gonna drop this militant attitude. And I, I love getting a they them, I love when the gays, they, them me, but I'm also just like, I feel like that experience has really like, made my gender feel a lot more of like an internal validation that I just need for myself only.

Yeah. Um, which I'm grateful for. It's nice to have that recognized, but I don't Yeah. Have that need as much as I used to. 

Yeah. 

But yeah, I don't know. I've only been okay wrapping up. I've only been No, no, no, no, no. Keep going. Yeah, keep going. I've only been dating men since I moved to la. I'll also say my sexuality has been like very bipolar almost.

Where it's like a woman breaks my heart and then I date men. Yes. And then a men break, man breaks my heart and then I have to date women. Yes. And like I've only really been dating men since I moved to LA and I've found it to be so harrowing and I've just been taking a break from dating in general.

Mostly by choice. Yeah. Somewhat. Not by choice. The last six months and I'm like starting to feel like attracted to women again and I don't know what the hell is going on. Yeah. I don't know what I want need. I feel like such a brand new person in my thirties that I'm just like, we're just, we're being authentic.

Yes. We're seeing what we need day by day. Yes. Um, yeah. So tho those are my initial thoughts, Wes. We're attracting, we're not chasing. Exactly. Yes. Exactly. Yeah. Amanda's not going to a partner is not going to make my life better or Yeah. Fulfill me in that way. And I, yeah, I definitely have like chased that feeling for a long time.

And now I'm like, I give that to myself. And I think in your thirties you realize being with the wrong person is so much energetically worse than just, oh my gosh. Being alone. It's so much worse. It's horrible. Draining. It's, you're going negative. Yes. Being 

alone, let's say it's zero. You go negative with the wrong person.

Exactly. 

Yeah, exactly that. So, yep. Yeah. If you wanna become super unhealthy and lose 30 pounds, you, uh, just best just date and avoided man. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. And have that anxiety just. Just whether you awake, really, really 

eat you away. Eat you alive. 

Yeah. 

Yeah. Well unfortunately with my, when I get emotional, I eat.

So it's the opposite, you know, other side of the spectrum, sadly. Yeah. Sometimes I go 

there, sometimes. Mostly I go there. Sometimes it's like the anxiety makes me not want to eat. Yeah. Yeah. Sometimes it, yeah. 

Yeah. 

Oh yeah. 

Um, so, uh, we share the same therapist. Yes. And she gave me really great advice 'cause she's insanely incredible.

Shout out. 

Yeah. 

Um, but it was basically she saw in me and she's so right that I was unhealed from previous relationships and she's like, we need to, well, let's start with making a list in, uh, of the qualities that you are looking for in a partner. What the good of your previous relationships, let's. I take that.

Mm-hmm. Put that in a list, and then also heal these past relationships because you can't go into this next future relationship. 

Mm-hmm. Gripping those, ripping 

those. And also, if you go in like needing a new partner, you're coming in with desperation and desperate energy. So then you're attracting a partner that is on that level.

Mm-hmm. So you want to be healed from the past to be on a higher level to attract that healed. Partner Yeah. Is what she shared with me and I'm like, oh, right. That makes sense. Yeah. 

Fuck yeah. Yeah. She is amazing. And I think Sid might be, yeah, I'm definitely, I'm curious. Yeah, you 

should have the, have an intro cold.

I didn't have a little, little consult week. I have a little consult twice a week. 

I would say twice a month. 

But I, I would go twice a week if could A little 

daily 

check-in. 

Yeah, 

yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. I don't know. I think I go once, once or twice a month. Yeah. It's so powerful. It's, it's not like regular talk therapy because it's hypnotherapy.

Yeah. Um, I feel like it's like each session is like a year's worth of talk therapy. Yeah. It's so, it has really leveled up my life. Yes. Have you noticed a difference in Yeah. 

Yes. Mm-hmm. But I feel, I feel like, I mean, so I still, so the first session is the, where, the last 20 minutes for, I'll speak for mine, the last 20 minutes of the two hour intake, which was supposed to only be an hour and a half, turned into two hours.

She goes, she goes over, she doesn't care. Yeah, I know. She like, doesn't care. I'm like, all right, um, I'll keep talking all day long. So, um, the last 20 minutes was the hypnosis part, and it's like she's using goals that we had talked about and like dream, like dream, like things that I want to achieve in my life, like large scale, kind of incorporated that into the hypnosis of that last 20 minutes, and then sent that recording afterwards.

And then the first homework was to like, listen to that every day. And I, oh, I have never gotten homework from a previous therapist that I've wanted to do for some reason. And this one I was like. I was doing it twice a day. Like I was so excited to, I was doing it when I woke up and at night. I mean, I'm not, you really are 

her favorite.

I was doing, I am not doing that anymore. I should circle back to that. But it's, it was her just, yeah. The different style, I'll Yeah. Find a therapist. It's like dating. You're gonna go through a lot of bad ones until you find someone that clicks, but mm-hmm. When it clicks, it's good. Yeah. 

And I was skeptical of the hypnotherapy of it all.

Yes. But she is extracting things that you say and using the words that came from you to hypnotize you. Mm-hmm. It's nothing is that she says is coming from herself. Yeah. Yeah. 

Yeah. 

Which I think is why it's so effective. Yeah. And why it's legitimate. 

Yeah. Yeah. Also, she. Is like the perfect amount of interjection of her own experience and her life.

Mm-hmm. I've had therapists that talked way too much. I'm like, am I paying you right or are you paying me? Um, and then also while looking for a therapist, I was told as a piece of advice, ask them if they're in therapy because it's important that your therapist isn't therapy. Right. And in our consult, she, I think she brought it up and I was like, 

wow.

So we, so the coming outs, so then it's been Oh yeah. Coming outs. Yeah. Hey baby gays, if you're enjoying the podcast and you're interested in learning more about the baby gay community, make sure to visit our website@www.baby dot gay to discover more info about our events, merch, and all the ways to connect.

And of course, don't forget to subscribe and share. Love you. So we, so the coming outs, so then it's been Oh, yeah. Coming outs. Yeah. 

Well, I feel like I was. Uh, um, like with most things in my life, like I've always been just out in general very comfortable talking about things with everyone except for my parents.

Um, but coming out to my parents was like with my mom, something I did multiple times. I'd be like, I'm dating this woman. And she'd be like, um, where did you say your apartment was again? Like, I cannot hear you like wall up. Like, cannot acknowledge what was just said. And so definitely learned to just not talk about that with her.

And then my dad, um, I guess I came out to him officially when I was like 21. I was dating a woman and I was like posting her online. And I went out with my dad for dinner, like before I was about to go study abroad. And he was like really asked me really casually offhand like, are you dating this person?

And I said, yeah. And like we were at a public in a, in a restaurant in public. All of the blood drained from his face did not speak to me for like 30 straight minutes after that. Like my brother was there too, and we were just like awkwardly sitting at the dinner table, just like talking to each other.

Wait, was your girlfriend there too? No, it was just 

me and my dad and my brother. And he like eventually like resumed trying to be normal, called me after dinner and was like. I feel like my reaction was really weird, but I just don't understand like, is this a phase? And I was like, I don't really think so.

And just, yeah, very, very disapproving. Very hard for some reason for them to wrap their head around me being with women, which I just don't understand. Yeah, I don't understand at all. Well, 

your dad 

was just 

jealous.

Exactly. Yeah. Um, and my mom's probably jealous too because I think my mom would be so much happier if she were a lesbian, I'm not gonna lie. Oh, all 

moms would be happier. 

No, everything she says about her hus, her husbands that she has, I'm like, women don't do that. You could literally be so much happier.

And just on husbands. Right, right. Anyway, so that was my coming out to my parents. Not a fun time. Yeah. Wouldn't recommend it, unfortunately. 

Yeah. Yeah. 

Did you, do you go 

into your coming out story 

or I can't, yeah. I mean, mine was, I came out at 27. 

Mm-hmm. 

And it was basically, I, I got to a point in my life where I was just running from all these different things, my sexuality, my mom's death, and, um, the fact that I like, wanted to be a creative, I wanted to be an actor.

And I had, I had that. Linked to, if people knew I wanted to be an actor, they'd think I was gay. So it's like all interwoven, you know, like, and I was very much like on this, like, I didn't think for myself until literally 27 years old. Like I came from outside of New York City suburb that was very Wall Street focused.

So I was like, okay, I'm gonna be Wall Street 'cause that's what I'm gonna do. So I did that. Martha, literal 

steward. 

Yeah, like 

a little, yeah, I mean that now he's saying it's a 

little, uh, 

uncanny. But, uh, so then I went to college, was doing the Wall Street thing, studied abroad. Wait, where did you study Abroad?

I want to hear about that. Uh, in the 

Netherlands. 

Oh yeah. 'cause they were gay and I was gonna, the gay country, it was, I mean, I, I studied in Spain and Granada and it was like, oh. So, and I loved it. I loved it, but it was also, looking back, that was definitely the first time I fell in love with a man who was my intercambio, my Spanish intercambio.

So it was like, we, the part of the program is like they set you up with a Spanish person that want, that's your age, that wants to learn English. So he wants to learn more than Antonio. Shout out to Antonio. I shout Antonio. I was badly in love with you. So then, um, it, well, it gets juicy because, so I had, so I was within because I want, I went to Grenada to get away from English.

So, um mm-hmm. So I was living with a family and then I made a group of Spanish friends, which was awesome, all guys. And then I brought all the American girls. So then my best girlfriend started dating Antonio and I was heartbroken. Heartbroken. Yeah. And I just remember, like I was, I just remember sitting in my room crying for hours and hours and hours.

Oh. And like, looking back, I'm like, how the fuck did, like, how can I so disassociate because I, I still was, I, I did not consider myself gay at that time. 

The ability to compartmentalize and delude yourself Yeah. Is bottomless. Yeah. Truly. Yeah. 

Truly. Was there any part of that, like forced delusion? Were you like telling yourself that you were in love with your girlfriend and being like, Ugh, Antonio got her?

No. Definitely not that. No, it was not that. It was, I think I, I was telling myself I was sad and felt left out, so it was like we were all group and now they're going off and like, not including me. So I feel like that was the sadness that I was probably storytelling myself like. Not. I feel alone. Yeah. I feel alone.

Which you did alone. Yeah. But Right. Maybe different. Right. Because I was madly in love with Antonio. Um, and then they ended up dating for like years. But I'm very close with Sam. Shout out to Sam. Love you. But it was so funny because I like, I don't think I ever told her until like many years, like 10 years later, and I like casually dropped.

She's like, yeah. I was like, madly in love with the nose. She's like, wait, what? I was like, oh yeah, right. Yeah. Wow. But she's married and with beautiful children, so, wow. But yeah, he moved to, he moved to the States, he moved to Boston to be with her. Oh my God. So, so continued on in our life. Yeah. God. He really kept pushing the knife further.

He kept, kept, yeah. Pushing the, and then so then get, get, so we get back, so that was junior year. Now we're starting senior year. So Sam and I are really close and I start dating one of Sam's roommates from like day one of senior year, Anastasia. And Anastasia was my, um, senior golf. Beard. Beard. It was a beard.

Yeah, it was beard. I mean, I did, I mean, sexuality is a spectrum. I've had, I've had two female relationships in my life that stand out to me that like, I truly love these women and mm-hmm. It was, it felt authentic. Mm-hmm. So, but I don't, like, I don't consider myself bi. I consider myself gay. Mm-hmm. Um, but yeah.

You know, it's a spectrum. People. It's a spectrum. Yeah. Truly it's a spectrum. Um, okay, let's talk about your podcasts. 

Okay. 

The foundations, the evolutions, all the above. Mm-hmm. Best moments, worst moments, highlights. 

Okay. Well, we started out October, 2022, right? Mm-hmm. And, um, the first season is very much us being.

Porn stars interviewing porn stars. And so it was very much that. And then, um, I'd say we went through some shit mm-hmm. In the industry that was like eye-opening, opening very eye about ourselves, I think about ourselves and about like what we were in that world, what we were pedestal, what we were like telling the world we were okay with.

And just, it just like we, we broke down in more ways than one. And then we, then we, um, never came back. I'm just kidding. Came back. We did not recover. We did not recover. And I'm hoping Ayahuasca, we'll see, we'll, we'll, uh, heal that. Um, no, but, so we switched studios. Mm-hmm. And then we kind of switched vibes 

in regard to the podcast.

So do mm-hmm. Was the, I'm just kind of, is it. You had started the podcast then in your career, you felt, um, some negative, I don't know if there was a specific experience or just general, just 

several experiences very disillusioning about Yeah. What? Yeah. Just, but isn't 

it interesting that you've already then created this platform to kind of discuss, I don't know how much you discussed of that experience on your podcast.

Mm-hmm. But Too much. 

Too, too much. Yeah. We were really like updating our listeners in real time of what was going on. Okay. And not all of it is still up, but I will give like a Cliff notes, I guess. Like, um, there was this male performer in the adult industry, which like most of them are evil, right? Mm-hmm.

And, um, yeah, I had a really like horrifying lifetime movie esque true crime experience with him. And, um, kind of like, you know, sharing that with you and sharing that with other friends in the industry. The reaction to it was, was even more upsetting than like, the harsh reality of that experience. And it was like, oh, these people don't care about safe.

They don't care about anything that they're pretending to care about. Mm-hmm. They just care about money, money to become, you know, very successful. And like the, the OnlyFans top 1%, like the people that everyone hears about. Mm-hmm. If you are working with other people, it, everyone feels this pressure to like rat race to the top and the um, I call it the ification of, um, adult content where it's like the shock factor that goalpost keeps moving.

It's like you go into a podcast and you're like, oh, I was having sex with 500 men a night, whatever. And then she goes viral. And makes millions in a second. And then another girl comes around, she sees that, she says, oh, I need to do something similar. So then she has sex with a thousand men in a day and has a whole documentary made about it.

It's like the, that goalpost keeps moving. And I'd love to say that that is really empowering. I'd love to believe that. But in my own experience and knowing some of these people personally, I can say that it's not, and that there's a lot of like mental gymnastics of like mm-hmm. I'm empowered. This is my choice.

You know, financial freedom is more important than anything. And being around 

everyone in that echo chamber like really creates this like, 

yeah. The porn bubble. Yeah. 

Collectively shared delusion. 

Yep. Yeah, that's, mm-hmm. Yeah. So people really like push themselves to do. Crazier and crazier things and, um, just keep their schedules booked so they don't have any time to like think across.

Right. When we both moved to la um, our social circles were pretty, uh, adult entertainment based. And now I would say like really just each other and, um, Lena are the only mm-hmm. Yeah. People left from that world, I'd say, and I wish them all the best. Yeah. Yeah, definitely. Definitely. I really do evolution.

It's growing. It's, yeah. Mm-hmm. Yeah. Yeah. But so yeah, then we podcast, we, we transitioned out of that. We actually, oh, 

sorry. Side question was, so was there backlash from you sharing from your podcast? Like, were you getting Yes. There was. Okay. 

Yes. Especially like talking about, um, 'cause also our boundaries started tightening and then we'd go to do a, a collab with somebody, shoot a scene and realize like, weird feeling inside, we don't have to do this.

So then we don't, and we talk about it on the podcast and then we're being threatened with lawsuits and stuff like that. So yeah, I'd say we, so we were like porn girlies, then we were porn whistleblowers, and then we were like, let's go into comedy. 

It's your natural progression, right? 

Right. I mean, all comedians won't shut the hell up about porn anyways, right?

Mm-hmm. So might as well get some people that know what they're talking about up there. 

Mm-hmm. And I would just like to say, first of all, that we built a comedy before we did porn. Exactly. Mm-hmm. And second of all, that's fine if we didn't. Right. But we did. And third of all kind of weird. Spiritual quick diversion, like please, I feel like so blessed for so many reasons for my time in the adult industry, but it was like definitely like such a, like shadowy part of myself and like my addiction's like completely gripping my life.

Mm. And like I'm, I feel like cosmically that time in my life has given me a lot of resources that I'm very grateful for now. 

Mm-hmm. 

But I don't know, looking back, it's just like, what a crazy, what a crazy thing that happened. And I feel more back on track and more aligned now. But yeah. I don't know. It's almost like God was like, you need to go make some money and it's gonna be really dark for a second.

Yeah. You know what I mean? Yeah. Anyway, I don't know if that, yeah, no, 

that res, that definitely resonates with me for sure. 'cause before, before. I porn. Like we said, we did like performance and comedy and you know, you did a lot of improv. I did a lot of burlesque and we both did some comedy. 

You didn't know each other before then, or did you know each other before?

No, actually, the way that we met is pretty cosmic. Oh. Mm-hmm. I was on a road trip from Maine to la coming to move out here, made a pit stop in New Orleans as you do, right? Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Shout out to my friend Eddie Lockwood, AKA w, amazing burlesque performer there, and me and my ex and that friend I just mentioned were, we're at the strip club, right.

Making it rain. Mm-hmm. And then who do I see this little peach right here? Also making it right also. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. She was not saying cross street. We crossed cross. She was like, we like knew, knew each other from online and, and then you moved to LA like a couple months later. Mm-hmm. Yeah, unrelated.

And then we started the pod 

and then we became friends. 

Yeah. We were like, oh, wow. We weren't friends until we started the podcast. Really? Oh my gosh. We'd like shot like sex scenes with each other, but that doesn't mean anything. Right. 

Yeah, yeah, yeah. 

That's like getting lunch. Yeah. Yeah. You know? Yeah. But yeah.

Yeah. So, I don't know. Last season we kind of focused heavily on this transition to comedy, and it was kind of weird and awkward, but fun. Yeah. And I feel like we're hitting a good, I feel like we're both getting a lot funnier. I 

agree. You're both hilarious. So, yes. 

One of the questions that we got once was like, have you experienced any pushback from comedians in your pivot to comedy?

And, um, I loved your response. You were like, no, we're too hot for that. Which is so funny, but I, I, I don't know. It's interesting because. Comedians like, like many other, um, industries, it's like, you gotta do the open mics, you gotta climb the ladder, you gotta like spend your time in the dish pit mm-hmm.

Before you become mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. The star server or whatever. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. And it is kind of that vibe, but having a kind of starting it off with it, with a platform from porn, I feel like we're both really trying to not focus on sexual jokes. Mm-hmm. Really try to, like not using our porn stage names with it and, you know, really trying to, to do it, to do it the right way.

And 

it's, it's like, it's a lot more vulnerable and I would say more challenging in a lot of ways to be. Funny on demand online in real life at mys than it is to be sexual and to be hot. Like being sexual and hot is, uh, it takes effort, obviously. Yeah. For some of this. Yeah. But, but being funny and yeah.

Exposing yourself in that way has just been a crazy spiritual journey. Yeah. Really spiritual journey. Truly. 

Like picture yourself, you know, you write a little joke mm-hmm. And you go and perform the joke. Mm-hmm. The parts of the joke that you think are gonna do well, don't. Yep. And then the part that is like a filler sentence.

Everyone's like, and you're like, what? Yeah. Yeah. And then you have to like start making the, then you're rewriting it. Yeah. And it's kind of like that process of rewriting your art to better fit the audience Yeah. And try to keep it still for yourself at the same time. Yeah. Because yeah, it's, it's a spiritual journey.

Mm-hmm. Yeah. Mm-hmm. 

I feel like, what is with that, 'cause I, I can totally relate in the sense of you think. That something's gonna be a hit or go viral and in the comedy of it all, and then it doesn't. And then the thing that you just like didn't think anything about and you'd post it and it goes mega viral and it's like, wait, what?

Like, I think it is 

that energetic Yes. Authenticity and you don't give a fuck. It's, that's what people like. Yeah. That's a lot of, A lot of it. I think the one takes will always go viral on TikTok. Yeah. The one that you like planned out for hours and you're so excited that upward, yeah. You think it's so funny 

and smart and blah blah.

But if it's like you 

could feel the forced this one better fucking thing. You know, it might be like, give the person the ick and they're like, eh. Yeah. Yeah. Totally. So yeah, like, I mean, how do we feel about ai scary or cool, you know, somewhere in the middle. I mean, 

future scary, current, useful. 

Yeah. I mean, environmentally scary.

Mm-hmm. I would say. Mm-hmm. Yeah. Agree. When I, okay, I'm gonna confess something here. Yeah. I didn't realize that the internet had like a physical component. Mm-hmm. You know, I thought it was like. Woo. You know the wave. Wow. We see. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. But no, they say 

the weight of the internet is about one strawberry.

Wait, what? Right. Like all the electrons that compose it. What? Even though electrons are technically weightless. 

Oh, I see. Oh wow. How big is the strawberry? Right. Chocolate covers, is it chocolate? Dark chocolate. But the weight of the internet, all of its servers and everything is probably like, yeah, 

that's where I, yeah, I thought it's like heavy, heavy, heavy, heavy, 

heavy.

Right. But the servers, are they part of the internet or are they facilitating the internet? What's the difference? Yeah. What is the difference? Right. 

Great question. Great question. Are the servers in control 

or is the internet in control? 

Who is in control? Who is in control? 

I dunno. Uh, we're living in a post 

informational, I lean kind of like utopian in general in my thinking, which is can be annoying at times.

So I kind of feel that way about ai, but I'm like, it is just a technology like. Like the internet. It's Google. It's a new Google. Yeah, Google. It's like there's, there's really bad shit that's gonna come from it and there's really good shit. And we are just kind of forging ahead because of money without thinking about it.

And so both are gonna happen. Yeah. Mm-hmm. And people are gonna lose their jobs and then it's gonna make new jobs. I mean, I don't know. 

Yeah, exactly. 

It could be bad. It could be really bad. Well, when 

they start like turning into physical robots and they start attacking us, like, that's not good. 

That's my favorite part.

Yeah. I feel we're like a sneeze away from that. Yeah, we 

are. Yeah. Well, did you see Kim Kardashians? I did. 

I did Robot. I saw this comment on that picture where she's like, you know, squatting next to the, the Tesla robot in the Tesla car. And it just said, Kim run.

Yeah. 

Or the robot's gotta run away from her girl who knows what she's doing with them. Is it consensual? Mm-hmm. Is my own. Can things be consensual with robots? Can there be Great question. Can there be consent without a consciousness? Oh, that's gonna be a big topic in the future. I'm seeing it now, yeah.

Wow. Yeah, because you could literally have like unpaid labor from a robot that looks exactly like a human. I think about that sometimes. I'm not gonna like, 

Ooh. Yeah. Kinda of dark, but yeah. And yeah, putting the whores outta their jobs, putting the whores out 

their job. 

But do you think it'll, it'll still feel different, don't you think?

Like it's gonna be Yeah. Cold. Yeah. There's no blood, there's no, there's no

a random aside, but it just keeps popping up. I don't know. Is it what's going with PornHub? Is it being banned in a lot of states? 

Yeah. Yep. 

Why? 

There was this bill that was passed, FOA slash cesta was passed in like 2017. Mm-hmm. Back in the day. Um, which like took down things like, uh, Craigslist, Backpage for example, where like full service sex workers would, you know, post their, 

the, like the meetups and stuff like that, right?

Yeah. Yeah. But 

yeah, but for Backpage it was like paid, like it was professional. Okay. 

And 

so that was taken down, and this is just one example of like millions. Um, so Backpage was taken down and then that just made more and more sex workers go to the street rather than being able to vet and screen people through the online process.

Yeah. So it, it, all of those things just make everything more unsafe. And 

it's just weird. I mean, like PornHub is the number one porn site, right? 

Mm-hmm. It is. Yep. It's a, okay, so it is a Canadian company. Oh. The, the parent company is called MindGeek that owns PornHub and browsers and reality Kings. A bunch of other like.

Porn companies. Okay. And it has been banned in Arkansas. Right. 

Uh, it's like age restricted. 

Um, which sounds like a really good thing, but it's just like the website's getting your more data Yeah. Data information. Yeah. Because in reality, anyone can still. Going there sooner. Right, right, right. Because like in California, I mean, I may or may not was on there the other day.

Yeah. Like the little thing pops up like, are you 18 or over? It's like, I'm like, yeah, yeah. How it's, and I remember watching it before I was 18 and just hitting that and continuing on. So I guess in Arkansas they like make you upload your id. Mm-hmm. Yeah. 

Well, I wanna, I mean, we don't have too much more time.

However, I'm, I'm fascinated on like the business end of things. Like I saw, I've done some research on your podcast and I heard a comment that was made. It was like, yeah, like 10, like a hundred thousand dollars in, in a day or something. I was like, is it, are people making shitloads of money? There was a girl 

that made 40, 40 million.

40 million in one year. 

In one year. I 

forget which, like NBA player or whatever makes less than like, they did a side by side comparison with this athlete. And it's like, well. If she was making sex tapes, I would argue to say she's an athlete, but she's not. She, she's like a half, she's a virgin. She's a virgin, and she's like a half nipple OnlyFans girl.

But yeah, there's, so basically 

it's just marketing. It's like she, she went crazy on TikTok. That's all the richest girls go crazy on TikTok. Yeah. Or they're already celebrities and 

then they hire people to like chat from them. Like, you know, 30 men in the Philippines are chatting for them all day, so they're like catfishing themselves out, which makes sense.

If you have like, you know, 80,000 fans Yeah. You can't possibly talk to all those people 

a day. Right. 

But this, this does lead to a good, um, topic of the hierarchy. Okay. 

The 

hierarchy of horrors, if you will. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. So at the very top, I would say it's like the solo camgirl super safe. You know, some people would not even say that that's sex work, you know, whatever.

And that's where, um, what's her name? Sophie Rain? That girl. Yeah. That's the 40 million girl. Yeah. Yeah. Sophie Rain. Yeah. That's like where she was that this year? Yeah. Yeah. Last year. Yeah. 40 million. 

Wow. 

And that's the payout. OnlyFans took 20% and that's what she got after the 20%. Isn't that insane? 

That is outta control.

I mean, great. Good for her. That's incredible. 

Right? I know. Life changing. Oh, life changing for her and everyone else in her life, literally. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Was 

she, was this her first year? Like is she brand new? I think so. 

I think so. She's like, I'm pretty sure. Yeah. I think she making, making 

Tiktoks Uhhuh crazy viral, 

but, and 

it, okay.

Sorry. I mean, she's gor, you know, she's gorgeous. But she just, and the most she showed was half a nipple. 

I mean, I don't know. I think she does do some solo videos, but I'm not sure. But, so that would be like at the very tip of the, of the hierarchy of horrors. The hierarchy. Okay. And then at the very bottom, I would say street based sex workers, street-based sex workers.

And there's all of these, like, so many judgements. Upon each other, like any marginalized group, like no one will come for you. Like your own people. Yeah. Like there's really, there's so much I remember like I was a stripper and then moving online, I like people from the strip pub kind of had this feeling about me, like that I thought I was better.

Like, because it is like safer. Safer, you know? Yeah. And then like I've, I've definitely done full service sex work before and like that's a whole other, I try to be like open about that because there's so much stigma about it. Mm-hmm. Rather than like, I mean, a camera being there changes the whole thing.

It makes it fine legal and it makes it like accept more acceptable, like why? Mm-hmm. Because it's like public consumption. Mm-hmm. Like, I don't know. It's, it's, it's interesting. And that's a whole other, I don't, 

yeah. I mean, I, I, this might be too much, too long of a conversation, but like, I don't understand.

That doesn't make any sense. 

Mm-hmm. Like 

now is the camera, now it's legal. No camera not legal. 

Right. Literally. Is that the, 

is that like the basis of 

Yeah. 

Okay. I 

mean, in California, I think it's illegal still to make porn, isn't it? What, no. In LA County. Yeah. I've shot scenes in 

LA count at Ca County. 

Yeah.

But that's why so many companies moved to Vegas. I thought it that, I thought 

the mo moving was the, the condom requirement. There. 

There it is. The content requirement. Mm-hmm. Okay. I, I could be wrong, but I'm pretty sure, I think a lot of companies moved to Vegas also 'cause of taxes, 

but I'm, I'm also there.

Yeah. And Miami, right? Wasn't Did Miami like, oh, well 

Miami was like, the laws there are different. When you see like public scenes, it's real. 

They're always in Miami. 

Yeah. Yeah. I shot one and I I thought it was gonna be like simulated like, oh, we're out in the street. Ha ha. No, we were really out on the street.

In what way? Like in a car or like 

boning on the stair. 

Like not your front, in the 

stair stairwell of a random building. And I'm really getting, if y'all saw that video, that was real. I'm really out in the stair. We like, like heard someone come, I had to stop. Right. You know? And I was like, how is this done?

They're like, oh, we just have like a, a deal with the Miami police. I was like, 

oh, they do? 

Yeah. Oh, I'm smelling some tea. Yeah. Like money. Mm-hmm. Can 

I, can we, 

yeah. 

Can I bring a quote 

please? Yeah. 

Okay. I was gonna say it for our pod, but went Poor Can Los, yeah. 

Yeah. 

I heard this quote the other day. I read it after we saw Baby Girl.

It was in a review of the movie that said American for American Sex is an obsession for the rest of the world. It's a fact. And I think about that. And I think about the fact that the pilgrims came here to be even more Christian than they were allowed to be in England. And I feel like those damn Calvinists, oh God, the, the pur, yeah.

I just feel like that Puritan energy underlies so much of the weird, bizarrely legality that makes no logical sense and is why you're able to profit so much from sex work. It's why men are able to profit so much by using women in sex work. It's just mm-hmm. What a can of beans. Yeah. 

I mean, this country is just a, it's like a preteen.

Yeah. It's like a young adolescent who I. It keeps on putting the fingers in the toaster. You know? It's like just not making smart choices. Yeah. But it's like the pre-teen that like did really well on the SATs or something, and now I thinks it's like a, like a, A big, big deal. Yeah, a little cocky, but it's still like the brain is still peace.

No, that's so 

funny because I see America as like a 21-year-old frat boy. Oh, well, 

yeah. That's where 

it's going. That's where it's going. We're not there yet. Yeah, 

yeah. Almost. 

Oh man. What's your favorite thing about this country? What makes you, what makes you proud to be an American, 

proud to be American?

Red, white, badass? I think the multi, I think something that I. Take for granted. But then you go other places, you're like, oh wait, actually America is so diverse and we are an amalgamation of so many different cultures that, you know, come being living in LA having every single ethnic food choice at your fingertips and it's delicious is so kind of standard and like take, I mean, I take it for granted and then I go somewhere else.

I'm like, wait, no, I want that again. Yeah. Like it's, so I think my favorite part is the diversity, honestly. I 

love that. And that is another reason they want that damn TikTok data so bad because the US is actually the most representative of the population of the whole world. 

Right. That makes sense. Which makes so interesting.

Right. That does make sense. Wow. Good for us. I would think it's Brazil, honestly. Yeah. 

Um, okay. Well then for our last section segment, uh, it's called My First Time and we have our guests share our first queer kiss, crush date, sexual experience, whatever you wanna share. 

Oh my God, that's so cute. Okay. 

Okay.

This wasn't my very first, but it was an early one that was impactful and hilarious to me. But when I was a junior in high school, so the summer after that, I went to this thing called Girls State. Did y'all have that Girls Day? Girls State? No. Girls State. It's like, it's like this government, like fake government program for teens.

Oh, cute. Okay. It's like a summer thing. And so there's like 800 girls there. There's the red team and there's the blue team. You're there for a week and each one elects. Uh, representative to become the governor for, so there's 400 girls, red, 400 blue, and they each pick one person who's like running for governor.

Oh. And the blue team picked me. Oh, right. Flex. And this whole week at this very conservative camp I was hooking up with, with the other governor, no. Oh my God, that girl was evil. And I should have won. I lost my seven votes to the most redneck ass, I swear. Anyway, more on that. But no, I was hooking up with, uh, this girl from my high school, and it was really cute.

And I remember like, God, I remember like the night before the election we were hooking up and I was like, I had never gone down on a girl before. And I was, I know it. Sorry. Like so X-rated. No, no. But I was like looking at her and I was like, okay, I should just do it. Like, just like be brave, like just do it.

And I just like, literally couldn't, I was like too scared. I was like, I'm so sorry. I can't. And she was like, I don't care. But anyway. That's cute. Okay. 

So the fir the, the story of the first is actually an almost an almost, well we were love that doing 

some pamphlet, 

everything, but yeah. 

Everything but everything, but mm-hmm.

So, yeah. Yeah, that was one of my, my early gay experiences. 

I guess I'll tell my hall past story 'cause this was, this was big for me. The only times, this isn't my first, but it was my first time hooking up with a girl sober in high school because I feel like I would have these ballet sleepovers and we'd have a drinks of vodka and I'd be like, wow, what's going on?

Yeah. And then, so then I had a boyfriend as well, oopsie. And um, I told him about it and he was like, you need to figure out if you're a lesbian. You know, we're teenage so we're, we're dumb. We don't know what's going on. And he was like, you need to figure out if you're a lesbian and you need to go and have sex with a girl sober so you can figure it out for once and for all.

Mm. So I got the hall pass and the next day I go and have sex with this girl. 'cause I just, I had one in mind. Mm-hmm. You know, so we go and we do it and um, I was really nervous to go down on her as well. I was so scared, but I was like, let's do it. And I did it. Mm-hmm. And then, um, I tell, I like, you know, call him after.

I'm like, I did it, you know what? And he's like, what? Like he was so he didn't think I was actually gonna use it. Mm. Within 24 hours. And I was like, this is real. It's not just something that happens when I'm drunk, like I do, I am gay. Mm-hmm. Right. And then, um, she broke my heart because she went to school.

And told everyone that rumors about me from years before that I had a fake vagina. Were true. Hmm. Does that need more context 

where we just, the fake vagina is such a wild concept. I know. Yeah. And you'll have to listen to our podcast. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, 

yeah. Intersex representation, right?

Mm-hmm. Um, but yes. 

L-G-B-T-Q-I-A-I-A Plus. Plus plus, right? Plus 

the I. She's the i we are all the I. That's not true. Did you guys know that the Q is for wait? I've heard two. 

I've heard two different things. Questioning. Questioning. Doesn't deserve to be in questioning or queer. 

What's next? Allies.

It lets out an S in there too. Yeah. Yeah. For the 

streets. Well, we'll wrap this up here. I think this is a good time. 

Yeah. 

Thank you so much for being here on the Baby Gate podcast. Yay. Thank you so much for having us. Really appreciate it. Where can people follow you? 

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Ooh. Ooh. 

That's 

good. Love them. 

Thank you so much. Thank you. I hope that this was good. 

This was great. This was amazing. Yeah. 

Okay. 

Yay. You'll come back. You'll come back.