Money Moves For Young Pros

Ever wonder why some plans crumble right when life gets good? We sit with financial advisor Cam Wooley to lay out a simple, sturdy path from your first emergency fund to tax-smart retirement income and all the daily wins in between. Cam’s approach starts with clarity: map your 3, 5, and 10-year goals, then reverse-engineer the steps. He breaks planning into three parts: protect, grow, and distribute, so you can stick with it when markets wobble and the headlines get loud.

First, we dig into risk management: emergency funds, income protection, and guarding your assets so one bad break doesn’t derail your future. Then we shift to wealth accumulation the right way, with market-driven accounts and smart tax diversification across pre-tax, Roth, and taxable buckets. The payoff shows up later, when it’s time to live on what you built. That’s where Cam’s distribution playbook shines sequencing withdrawals to reduce taxes, navigate inflation, and avoid the fear of outliving your savings.

This conversation isn’t just numbers. We talk momentum, mindset, and community. How daily “points” stack into long-term wins, how to control the controllables, and why surrounding yourself with driven people keeps your habits tight. Cam shares real life too: golf leagues, future family plans, and designing days you actually enjoy. If you’re a young professional deciding where to start, or a mid-career listener retooling for the next decade, you’ll walk away with a plan you can use tomorrow.

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Transcript

SPEAKER_00 0:10

Yeah,

Meet Cam Wooley

SPEAKER_00 0:11

baby. We are back on the Think Biz Podcast, and we are sitting here with the man, the myth, the legend, Cam Woody. Welcome in, sir. I appreciate you being here. Hey, Nolan.

SPEAKER_01 0:24

I appreciate you having me. Thank you.

SPEAKER_00 0:26

Well, of course. We we want to have all of our wonderful members on the podcast in our new media studio, thanks to Project 3810 here. And so, my good sir, what can we do for today? What's been going on in your life? Introduce the audience to yourself a little bit and tell us what you

What A First Meeting Covers

SPEAKER_00 0:43

got going on.

SPEAKER_01 0:43

Yeah, so my name's Cam Wooley. I'm a financial advisor for Northwestern Mutual. Simply put, I just help you kind of build a roadmap from where you are today to really where you want to go in the future. Taken back a little bit, you know, I'm originally from Fort Worth, Texas. Came up to Oklahoma here after graduating, you know, the University of Oklahoma. Kind of just figured, you know, the cost of living is way better here than Texas. So just kind of, you know, found my home here now. So yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:09

You and the vile Californian transplants coming here. Mind you, I've only been here for five years and I'm a Missouri transplant. So I understand we like we like the crossroads of America. We can't help it. Right, right. Yeah. But you do financial advising. So I've I've met a lot of financial advisors here in the OKC Metro. Very much so. Can you explain for our audience a little bit of what it is that you actually do? Like practically for them. Yeah. They book a call with Cam. What happens?

SPEAKER_01 1:35

Yeah. So really what we kind of dive into and what a lot of people, I guess, you know, focus their attention on is just really diving in and say, hey, where do I want to be in the next three years? You know, looking a little bit further, maybe five, ten years out. Really, what does that look for you? You know, do you want to buy a house? Do you want to get married? You know, like me, I'm 23, so I'm, you know, looking to get engaged here soon. I know we've kind of been talking a little bit about that, but just hey, where do you really want to go? We'll come back together, you know, we'll we'll think of some strategies, maybe some options that we can kind of implement, and then kind of just go forward

Three Pillars Of Planning

SPEAKER_01 2:07

there. Really a big part of what I do though, we really kind of like to break it down into three different sections. So we get the risk management side. We're really going to focus on making sure you have an emergency fund, income and assets are protected, and just you know, making sure if you have a family that we have something in place, you know, God forbid something unforbidden happens to you. So once we get that kind of taken care of, then we can focus on really about the wealth accumulation side, which is kind of what everybody wants to talk about, but it's not all, you know, all it's cracked up to be, right? Like, yeah, mutual funds in Roth IRAs are super, super riveting stuff, man. Right, right, right. And and what a lot of people don't realize, you know, even if you look at like climbing Mount Everest, you know, a lot of people actually don't die going up, they actually die on the way coming down. So part of the wealth accumulation part that we have, we we take it a little bit step further and start thinking about okay, when you get to the distribution side, you know, you want to start taking money out for retirement, house, whatever the case may be. How do we be as tax efficient as possible throughout that whole stage, right? And we would just want to make sure, you know, because you go your whole life piling up this, you know, pile of money, right? And then all of a sudden you have to figure out how this pile of money now supplies your entire lifestyle. So how do we efficiently do that

Distribution Risks And Taxes

SPEAKER_01 3:20

and make sure you don't run out of money?

SPEAKER_00 3:22

Excellent. And so, what are some of the things that you've implemented yourself, if you don't mind us asking just a little bit? So that way people can kind of get a sense of young professional, absolutely listening to the podcast. What are the baseline that they need to set up for themselves?

SPEAKER_01 3:34

Yeah, I think where you kind of start, you know, going back to it, I guess I really should say, you know, financial planning is not a one size fit-all. It's very tailored to the specific individual, right? Like me and you sitting here across from each other, we're in totally two different stages of life, right? So our whole plans are gonna look different. Right. However, you know, we may have the same concepts or just kind of approach around it, you know, hey, you know, everybody should probably have an emergency fund. Everybody should probably, you know, make sure they have their income and assets protected, right? And then at least have something market driven, right? So we can have, you know, some some income, I guess, coming in later down the road. Right. We just want to be building wealth and you know, making sure everything on the risk management side is taken care of. So that way we never have to, you know, take take a few years off, right? You know, the the worst part is is I see a lot of people,

Baselines For Young Professionals

SPEAKER_01 4:22

you know, they get through retirement or whatever the case may be, you know, the one of the biggest fears is just outliving your savings. So if we can kind of you know plan around that and be like, hey, what do you really want to live off of? What does that look like? Obviously, inflation's a huge thing that we deal with today, so we're gonna obviously take that into account as well. So we really need to build a roadmap so that way we can kind of work backwards and figure out how to fill in all these gaps.

SPEAKER_00 4:46

Well, and a lot of young professionals, you know, younger than myself, younger than most of the people in our networking group, whenever I talk to them for consultations or just on the street, they don't think that there is anything to plan for, right? Of course, you and I know a little bit different because we look at stats, we look at charts, we look at, you know, the wheel of history, right? We're not as bad off as we think we are, particularly as much as the little screens that we are constantly looking at in our pocket are trying to tell us it's gonna be like, and it's not gonna be that bad for us. And so when we are dealing with a lot of people that don't think there's any point to saving their money, they don't think there's a lot of point to investing in themselves or in their future. I think that's one of the biggest challenges for yourself as a financial advisor, but also just for networks in general, right? To get people to understand, hey, invest in other people around you. Right. Then it will also encourage you to invest in yourself. Right. Part of the reason I love this networking group is I'm doing good business with good people. That's the entire reason I'm here every week, every month

Mindset, Momentum, And Community

SPEAKER_00 5:46

out of the year. And I'm gonna keep doing that at Infinitum so long as things continue on as they are. Mostly because I really want this season two of this podcast to focus on our ideal communities, right? Right. There's a reason why you chose this network out of others, and I'm really curious as to why you chose our group over others to start off.

SPEAKER_01 6:04

Yeah, I I think it's a really driven group. And that's kind of what I'm I'm driven towards, or I I guess it brings me in, right? Like just having that positive, you know, hey, you come in here every Tuesday, everybody's got a nice, you know, hey, pup, you know, peppy, preppy little vibe, you know, everybody's like up and about it, you know, they're ready to kill the week and just, you know, get after it. And that's kind of what I like. You know, I just want people to kind of live up to their full potential. And I think with this group, everybody's trying to live up to their full potential.

SPEAKER_00 6:34

Well, and a lot of our our 930 group members, we are parents, right like myself, like our other members as well, and you are kind of wanting to go down that route it yourself, it seems. And so we're all kind of speaking the same language as far as what we want for ourselves, for our kids, and then of course for our longer-term community. Yes. And with that kind of drive that is required of you to be a parent, to be able to try and build a business while you are a parent, and then you building your own life as a young professional, what does your ideal community actually look like? Right. So let's just get rid of Think Biz for a second.

SPEAKER_02 7:05

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 7:06

If you had to build from scratch your group of professionals, how would you interact? What would you actually do on a day-to-day basis to make sure you're not just business partners, but you're also part of the same community? I think it's pushing yourselves, right?

SPEAKER_01 7:18

Like it's just that constant positivity in your ear rather than the negative, you know, stuff that you hear outside of that, right? Like they're just constantly feeding you with positive influence to get you going to the next level. I think is really kind of what I surround myself with. Like my friend group, I look at them, I'm like, hey, I give them a call, I can tell them, you know, things that I kind of screwed up on. They're like, hey man, like I get it, but let's, you know, learn from this and move on, right? Like let's let's build the positive, you know, just atmosphere, right? So that way we're not bogged down by so much negative. Because I feel like, you know, in today's world, it's like a battle against good versus evil.

SPEAKER_00 7:56

So just what before we get to the good and evil part, right? Yeah, I I love getting to the good and evil part. I'm gonna be the bad guy for a second. Yeah, yeah. What do you mean by positive and negative? What's the actual definition that Cam has, and in particular younger professionals have of what a positive interaction experience

Defining Positive Versus Negative

SPEAKER_00 8:12

this is versus a negative one? What does that actually mean for you?

SPEAKER_01 8:15

Well, I think positive, it makes you feel good, right? I mean, it's that's can be another kind of downfall, right? Like, you know, feel good stuff may be pretty bad, right? But I think, you know, you have the positive side that's kind of like feel good, that's motivation, right? That's like, hey, let's let's keep at it, let's keep driving forward, let's keep the gas on the pedal, right? Negative is more like you kind of have this voice in your ear, and it's just, you know, hey, I'm not gonna do that today, you know. I can push it back, I can push it back, or whatever the case may be. It's just I don't know, it's it's progressing you downwards. So I think you can either go forwards or you go backwards. And I think positive is more forward, and then once you get to the negative, that's backwards.

SPEAKER_00 8:52

Interesting. And so what in your professional life, in your collegiate career, things of that nature, actually makes you believe that forward momentum is the only thing that has to happen to make it positive. So if there's any stagnation, that's currently what you're defining as negative, correct?

SPEAKER_01 9:08

Well, it there's either forward or backwards. So I don't think there's really stagnation. I think you're going backwards if there's stagnation.

SPEAKER_00 9:14

Interesting. Okay, so if any stagnation, any backwards momentum, negative, forward momentum, positive. Right. Get into that good and evil point then. Right. Sometimes forward momentum does not always go forward towards the good. Right. And there's this thing that I also it's an internet term, right? It's called leisure maxing. It's a it's everybody trying to live their best Victorian aristocrat life of actually enjoying the fruits of that forward momentum and progress. So, how are you building for that time? Are we just presuming that we're gonna get all of our financials in order and then we're gonna have stagnation and leisure time and stuff at the end of our life? Or what are you doing now to actually enjoy yourself if all positive equals going forward?

Controlling The Controllables

SPEAKER_00 10:02

Well, I'm I I that's a great question. I'm always gonna surprise you, Karen.

SPEAKER_01 10:07

Right, right. That's why we're I get it, I get it. I I I don't know. I kind of feel like how I look at it, I'm gonna kind of go back a little bit, but going back to kind of the the forward and then you have the backwards. So obviously, you know, not every day. Uh I like to do like a point system here. So, you know, you have tens that are gonna be awesome wins, you know. Maybe you've sold something, maybe you did whatever the case may be, right? That's a win for you. Obviously, you're gonna have some ones every once in a while, right? But in order to get to the tens, you're probably gonna have to experience the one. Kind of vice versa, right? If you got the 10, you probably had to experience the one. So I mean, it's just it's the best way to say it.

SPEAKER_00 10:45

I think if I may put some words in your mouth first.

SPEAKER_01 10:48

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 10:49

What you're describing as the net good, right? Some days are tens, some days are ones. Right. Can we ever really reach a zero? There's a concept in our high school physics class of absolute zero, right? It's understanding that all of the molecules, all the electrons, protons, neutrons in everything that we touch is still moving, right? Even if it's solid. Absolute zero is the state of no molecular or atomic movement at all. And that is physically impossible to the best of our knowledge. And I think your understanding of positivity is just understanding that to be alive, to be present here now, is only to move, is only to be in motion, even if we are resting, even if we seem like we're slow, right? That one is still on the board.

SPEAKER_01 11:29

Right.

SPEAKER_00 11:29

There is no possibility to get a negative if you are just continuing to make progress.

SPEAKER_01 11:33

Right, right, right. It's kind of controlling the controllables, you know, like I can control my activity, I can control who I'm kind of, you know, trying to approach. Right. I just can't control them, you know, if they want to move forward with anything, if they even want to talk to me, whatever the case may be, you know, I can just control my controllables.

SPEAKER_00 11:48

And so how do you bring that across to your clientele? How do you get them to understand? It's like, hey, even if you are wanting to put off the next meeting, even if you are not wanting to close on this right now and start investing in yourself, I want you to know that even this phone call is still a one on the board and you are making progress. And I want you to be proud of that. Is that something that you kind of work into your sessions any?

Daily Wins And Compounding Progress

SPEAKER_01 12:08

Uh, I would say a little bit, right? So, you know, not when I'm building an emergency fund, like obviously, you know, that's just, hey, I need you to do this for the best sake of you, right? So for my sake. I need you to kind of take care of this risk management things for your sake, not for my sake. So that's kind of, I guess, how I wouldn't really approach that.

SPEAKER_00 12:27

But that's still from your own personal positive-negative philosophy. That's that's movement, that's momentum. Right, right. Exactly. That's not even playing defense, that's still offense for their own best benefit right now. Yes. And I think that's really important as well for community in general, is those definitions are so important, right? Because if I tossed you into a little spiritual convention in Tulsa somewhere, like positive and negative would have completely different connotations there than they do here. But it's something I've noticed as well. It's like, hey Nolan, they'll people will come up to me after a couple weeks of seeing me in networking shows. I thought you were really weird to start off with, but then I realized it's like you're actually kind of a cool guy. It's like, yeah, because I'm on the same team. I have the same definitions as you, and I think whenever we all get down to it, most of us have the same definitions. Things that are capital G good are making progress. There is momentum in the direction of the things that are just awesome for ourselves and everybody else.

SPEAKER_01 13:23

Right.

SPEAKER_00 13:23

Very few people that I actually meet on a day-to-day basis are that capital E evil, right? They're in completely different sectors of town, probably, because I don't come across them on a regular basis.

SPEAKER_01 13:32

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 13:32

And

Hobbies And Real Life Balance

SPEAKER_00 13:33

I think that's really important for communities, knowing that we're all trying to go in the same direction. Right. It may not look the same for each of us, but we are always wanting to keep putting numbers up on the board.

SPEAKER_01 13:44

Right.

SPEAKER_00 13:44

And I think that's really important for young professionals, right? Middle-aged ones, people that are, you know, long in the tooth. We are all wanting to put numbers on the board. Even if we're vacationing, even if we're relaxing, even if we have, you know, done all of our due diligence and we're just kicking it in retirement right now. 100%. We're still putting ones on the board, and that makes us on the same team from a community standpoint.

SPEAKER_01 14:05

Right.

SPEAKER_00 14:06

But then also for that community standpoint, it's like, okay, so we all want to make progress towards that capital G good.

SPEAKER_01 14:11

Yep.

SPEAKER_00 14:12

What then does the rest of your life look like? What does it look like for you to be able to do business with other people that may not need financial planning from you? What does it take for them to be part of your personal life? Part of the life that Cam wants to enjoy himself and put ones up on some of your favorite hobbies or games or whatever it is.

SPEAKER_01 14:29

Yeah, it kind of goes back to my just driven individual. I'm, you know, hey, take those losses, but learn from them and, you know, keep moving forward. Keep trying to progress yourself, keep trying to better yourself every single day. I think it's more on a daily day-to-day basis rather than a you know week, month, year, whatever the case may be. If we can focus on today and do everything we possibly can today to get us, you know, wherever that case may be. Obviously, it's a long-term game, right? As as you compound each of these day-to-day wins, what does that look like for you? Obviously, that's that one that you may have experienced that you came in, but after you execute on a day-to-day basis, you know, now that may turn into maybe a six, seven, eight, you know, nine, ten, as you just keep progressing yourself forward, winning day to day, just doing everything you possibly can. You know, business, professional, personal, whatever the case may be. You

Future Vision: Family And Golf

SPEAKER_01 15:22

just have to win today and just keep moving forward.

SPEAKER_00 15:26

Now, do those wins also apply to your last round of golf, if you don't mind me asking that score.

SPEAKER_01 15:33

Not every day on the golf course is a win, let me tell you. But that's the beauty of it, right? Like you you you lose today, but you're gonna go back tomorrow and hopefully you win. Exactly. You just have to keep taking shots, you know. You you know, you miss every shot you don't take.

SPEAKER_00 15:48

So that's well, and it's and it's one of those things that I really wish I had heard as a younger professional is understanding that the the metric of success is not how many times you win, it's how many times you fail and you continue playing the game. Correct. Correct. Because you're you only lose golf if you if you stop playing golf.

SPEAKER_01 16:06

100%. 100%.

SPEAKER_00 16:08

You only lose business if you stop doing business. Correct. And there's statistics and everything else that hurt things one way or the other, as far as the likelihood of one thing happening. But you can still play the game of business regardless of what business you're in. Correct. Now, it then also brings to the question of we like golf. We got some other hobbies. We do, yeah. Should we inform the rest of your adoring fans in public as to some other things you like to get up to that they might be able to do instead of a normal business one-on-one?

SPEAKER_01 16:38

Yeah, yeah, absolutely. Yeah, just outside of work, you know, I'm a big golf, guns, and gambling. I really enjoy, you know, occasional trip to the casino, especially being out here in Oklahoma. You know, guns. I'm just from Texas, so that's kind of uh uh I feel like just a given kind of thing. And then yeah, I've kind of grown up playing golf, really loved it, wanted to come play college golf. Unfortunately, COVID was around my junior year of high school, so kind of just kicked out to the curb and went to a college that I, you know, had a great football program. I had friends who were going there, so it just you know made the most sense.

SPEAKER_00 17:12

Okay, now I I technically committed heresy last night and I did not watch the Super Bowl. So were were we watching and were we attentive? Was I? Yes, yes, yes, yeah, yeah. So who won? Seahawks. Okay. So dude, were we approving of that win? Did they deserve it? I think so.

SPEAKER_01 17:29

Yeah, I think it was pretty good. Yeah, yeah. I mean, definitely would have been cool to see Drake May pull it off, but that is what it is.

SPEAKER_00 17:37

Putting ones up on the board and then we say it is what it is. Well see, that's my end. Hey, that's right.

SPEAKER_01 17:42

That's that was probably a one for Drake May, but hey, now he's gonna learn from that and hopefully, you know, make another appearance. I mean, that's all you can do is just keep trying. I mean, only two teams get to make it to the Super Bowl. So this is true.

SPEAKER_00 17:53

Now, mind you, I I laugh at the phrase it is what it is. Mostly because that's my kryptonite. All my life growing up, whenever you know I'm trying to gain

Kids, Schools, And Involvement

SPEAKER_00 18:02

as much knowledge as I possibly can, and then somebody else gives me advice, they expect me to take it, and then I take said advice and it does not work, they say, Well, it is what it is. And so I like twisting that a little bit to it is what it can become. I don't remember which YouTube channel or book I stole that from, but I really like it.

SPEAKER_02 18:21

Fair.

SPEAKER_00 18:21

And so Drake Mays, it is what it is, is it is what it can become. Right. Right. So we can always have that comeback, we can always have that increase in progress. Right, right.

SPEAKER_01 18:31

He's so young too, and I mean, yeah, he's got a great potential ahead of him.

SPEAKER_00 18:35

So just like yourself. Now, with all of that potential, I want you to kind of design your dream. Okay. So let's say we are decade in the future. Okay. What does your professional and personal life actually look like? Lots of golf and that's just a given. Specific set of clubs. Now that might help with the golf dream.

SPEAKER_01 19:00

I'm really big on Tailor Maid. I I do really like the Mizuno irons. I know that may be an interesting take, but I'm a really big fan of Mizuno, so I probably would ten years from now have a nice Mizuno set. Probably some titless wedges. Are you a big golf group kind of guy, or do you just like want to get a little bit more? Yeah, no, I definitely yeah, I'm actually in a golf group that's pure. I guess it's like a league. It's actually called Spark Golf. But yeah, yeah. Super fun. Just get out there, you play nine holes, and just, you know, kind of just enjoy it. You know, sweet. Get to meet new people and just, you know, kind of shake hands and yeah. So we're playing more golf for years in the future.

SPEAKER_00 19:34

What else do we got going on in our future?

SPEAKER_01 19:35

Yeah, hopefully, you know, married at that time, have kids. Um how many do we want? Man, I I think probably two is my max. Two is your max. It's pretty expensive to have kids nowadays.

SPEAKER_00 19:46

Surprisingly not. And also when you do the math, three kids is more expensive than four kids. 100%. And both of those are less expensive than two kids. So just FYI. I've run the numbers. And so if you have more kids, it is less expensive.

SPEAKER_01 20:00

I thought I thought like the average, I could have swore I read a study the other day and it said like the average cost if you were to raise a kid from zero to eighteen, basically, you know, by the time they graduated high school, it'd be like 250 grand.

SPEAKER_00 20:13

Partially, that's also counting in, you know, daycare costs and other things that aren't necessarily required, right? So there's lots of ways to keep it. Yeah, minimize it a little bit.

SPEAKER_01 20:23

But yeah, I mean still it's a that's a pretty hefty number, you know, just for one kid.

SPEAKER_00 20:28

But it gets it gets lower. It gets lower because then you don't have to get rid of all of the other tools and items for the subsequent kids, right? So you don't have upfront costs anymore. Right. So now you have childbearing assets that allow for all the other kids to be a whole

Aim High And Build Networks

SPEAKER_00 20:43

lot easier, and then you also get better as a parent. Which makes those time investment costs a whole lot easier. Fair enough. And then what type of parent do you want to be, right? Are they gonna come in little baby carriers to the golf course, cracking cold ones with you? What are they gonna be doing with you?

SPEAKER_01 20:57

Man, I hope, yeah, I hope to really get my kids involved in just you know, outside activities, really just social, right? I just want them to be social. I want them to have friends or do kind of whatever, right? Like I'm 23 and I really kind of wish, you know, looking back that I just kind of took a little bit more advantage of maybe the summer times and all those other things that you kind of when you're young, you just don't think that are you know super important. But you know, after graduating, you know, get a full-time job like that stuff kind of goes away. So just kind of living in the moment is really kind of especially as a father, like that's kind of what I want to do. I really want to live in the moment, you know, be able to provide everything for them. Meaning, you know, I want them to be able to do the activities they want to do or be involved in whatever they want to be involved in.

SPEAKER_02 21:41

Right.

SPEAKER_01 21:42

You know, I just want to give them options, right? Maybe options that I didn't have growing up, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 21:46

And now those options of involvement are gonna probably look different in 10 years, but like I know for a fact that public schools around here in the metro aren't doing super hot. Also, charter schools are sometimes hit and miss. So, how do we actually ideally? Want our kids to be involved? Are we a homeschool kind of guy? Are we more of a we want just the straight up, we want to go to the tiny little pee-wee football camps? What are we talking here?

SPEAKER_01 22:08

Yeah, that's a great question. You know, I actually went to a private school growing up, so I have a lot of opinions about both of them because I went first to public and then I went over to private. So kind of live two different worlds right there, right? I would say looking 10 years further down the road, I have no idea what it's gonna look like. Right. So homeschooling might be more kind of the route, more common. I will say, you know, when I was growing up, homeschooling, you know, wasn't very common. So if you ran into those, you're like, oh, you're a homeschool kid.

SPEAKER_00 22:40

Homeschool kid. Right, right.

SPEAKER_01 22:42

Yeah. So I don't, you know, but like I said, that probably will be more common there 10 years down the road. So that may actually be something we kind of tap into. But outside of that, I just want them to be involved in maybe some organizations, you know, for golf. Like, you know, there's first T, there's all these other kind of organizations that you can join. Right. You can do outside tournaments, you know, you can almost club, you know what I'm talking about.

SPEAKER_00 23:04

Yeah, you're not gonna be a 4-H or FFA dad. Your kids aren't gonna get to have a bunch of rabbits and chickens in the backyard. Come on, come on. Yeah, I wasn't raised around all that stuff, so I can't really got the guns part of Texas, but we didn't get the cattle part of Texas. All right. We see you, Cam Willie. We see you. But man, it

Discipline Over Instant Gratification

SPEAKER_00 23:24

is one of those things that I really am wanting to make sure that everybody doesn't just live in the present moment of business and how the quarter's going and things of that nature. Because I've found that I've made the best clientele, I've made uh the best network and just the best connections here by actually presuming that the thing that I want long term down the line is something that is attainable. Even if everybody else tells me that it's not, even if everybody tells me that it's super expensive, it's not gonna work, well, I say I'm gonna do it anyways.

SPEAKER_01 23:54

100%.

SPEAKER_00 23:55

Because why not? Why wouldn't we shoot for gold? Right. Right? That's what we want. And so if that's what you want, I want other people to be able to find you, be able to do the things that they want to do alongside you, particularly if they're aligned.

unknown 24:06

Right.

SPEAKER_00 24:06

And so, what would you tell just kind of as a nice little button end, is to we want more people to be able to raise good kids with, play more golf with, have good community and good business partners. What is it that you would tell them to keep on their wall, their vision board, have as their mantra whenever they wake up in the morning?

SPEAKER_01 24:24

Whatever whatever gets you motivated, I think, whatever gets you out of bed. I think that's a huge thing. Um I struggle with this myself, but you know, there are some days I'm like, man, I just don't have an enemy today. I've got to put my emotions to the side a little bit because I have an end goal to get to. So in order for me to get there, I'm gonna have to, you know, put in the work that's necessary.

SPEAKER_00 24:47

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 24:48

And unfortunately, you know, sometimes that does, you know, suck a little bit.

SPEAKER_00 24:51

Right.

SPEAKER_01 24:51

And it's going to because not everything's all sunshine and roses. 100%. And and honestly, I think, you know, if you look at social media nowadays, everything is just so instant, right? Like you just see all these people, oh my gosh, maybe they're younger than me. You know, I'm 23, and I see a lot of these in 19, 18-year-olds, you know, flexing their watches, cars, whatever the case is, and it's like, wow, like, what am I doing wrong? I think part of the reason is is we get so bogged down in that, like, oh my gosh, what am I doing wrong? What am I doing wrong? Like, am I doing something, you know, that's you know, just not the right path, like that they're doing? Like, what's going on here? So, and it's not even that, it's just, you know, they could be selling you a course that, you know, and they've never done anything. Precisely.

SPEAKER_00 25:34

Yeah, we we love those $37 a month. 100%.

SPEAKER_01 25:37

Right, right. And it's just it it puts a bad perception in just like what it takes to actually get there. Like, it's gonna take hard work, it's gonna take things that you don't really feel like doing. But that hard work through your own personal philosophy is still positive. Right, right. Exactly. Exactly. It's gonna lead to those tens, those nines in the in the future there.

SPEAKER_00 25:56

Well, that's awesome. Well, my good sir, I have appreciated getting to sit down and chat with you, as I always do. Where can people find you to book a little consult? Have a little one on one.

SPEAKER_01 26:06

Yeah, yeah.

Where To Find Cam

SPEAKER_01 26:07

You can go to my website. It's CameronWooly.nm.com. C A M E R O N W O O L E Y.n dot com.

SPEAKER_00 26:17

And thank you for being here as always. So, for all of you listening, remember to stay sharp and think biz. Thank you, Nolan.