SPEAKER_01 0:00

Peter, um, I know we want to focus on another incident in Minnesota. Can you share with us what happened?

SPEAKER_00 0:05

Yeah, so it has to do with this man named Alex Pratty. He was apparently a nurse. So agents fired about 10 shots in roughly five seconds while Alex was already on the ground. He was at where uh apparently protesters were, and while ICE was doing their operation. So before the shooting, Alex was uh shows that he was directing traffic and filming agents. That's what he was doing. He was holding a phone. Some people say it was a gun. It wasn't a gun. An agent shoved a woman, uh, and then Alex moves towards her, puts his arms around her. Apparently, in the video capture, it captures that the officer said he's got a gun. And then almost a second later, there are shots fired. Officials, particularly Christy Noam, senior Border Patrol, claimed that Alex approached these ICE agents with a nine millimeter handgun and violently resisted disarmament. By the way, he had a handgun. He also had two magazines, which holds around like 10 to 5, 17 rounds each. And based off what you what you see, how doesn't that make you feel?

SPEAKER_01 1:05

Man, um, we've had so many unfortunate events like this. I mean, it seems to me that he wasn't it's clear that he wasn't waving a gun at the police officer. And sure, if you do discover that somebody somebody has a holster and you know, magazines, um, I mean, you and I have both shot guns before. We know what's a proper carry and what's not. It seems to me that the uh ICE officers unfortunately uh overreacted. And I've also read that he was shot after the gun was removed. Is that what you saw?

SPEAKER_00 1:44

That one agent removed the handgun from Alex's waistband. Within about one second, that gun uh being pulled free, other agents began firing.

SPEAKER_01 1:55

Right.

SPEAKER_00 1:56

So it's like, yeah, they already pulled the gun from him, but then they just start firing after that.

SPEAKER_01 2:01

That's just gross negligence, you know. There's gotta be a better de-escalation method for somebody who is just participating in what is a right for American citizens. Uh, no administration is perfect, no body is perfect, no organization is perfect. People are um protesting, right? You've probably read that. People are like up in arms um about this, and I it's just super, super sad and unfortunate.

SPEAKER_00 2:27

I I think for me, the the various events be even before the shooting was very shocking. The idea of a particular law enforcement group go out there and get illegal immigrants to pay for their crime. Okay, like that, it makes sense to me. That's all I'm saying. It just makes sense. If let's say it was a different crime, right? So it is a crime for you to come here illegally. Let's say it was for murder or if it was for stealing or robbing a bank, whatever it is, right? Like it makes sense to me, right? Um, but I am still in the stance that I don't like the way it is happening, the way it is um being executed. I understand that the reason why we are doing that is because they're trying to get something done quickly. They're trying to, you know, before the administration, you know, ends, whatever it is, right? They're trying to get this done quickly and change the country quickly. But I think it's like a rubber band that's being pulled way too hard and then it's breaking. Because think about the effects of what it's doing to the country right now and the distrust and the authoritarian, you know, feeling that we're getting the big brother feeling uh of seeing all this happen. Now, I understand why we're doing it, but it's just the methods have not been great. And the another thing I didn't like about the particular scene was you see these, I don't even know how many ICE agents came to this man holding a phone, right? He was holding a phone, and you see them. Uh, if you look at the clip, I was trying to justify like why, like, why did this happen? And um, first of all, you see that shove. I I think that was an unnecessary shove, unless she was like trying to fight back or or throw a punch. It didn't seem like that. So that was a very unnecessary shove. And then he's and then this guy, whoever he is, uh, they should identify him. He starts spraying uh him with prepper pepper spray, right? Immediately after. So man, kind of unnecessary, sprayed him again, and then he starts dragging him. And you see, look at how many ice agents are are there, right? Dragging him, putting it, pinning him down, and there's a there, there's actually a part, and I I maybe you could see it here. I don't know if you could see it or not, but they were actually like hitting Alex, like actually beating Alex. You see it? This did you see that right there? Right there.

SPEAKER_01 4:46

Yeah, I mean, it's pretty clear, it's just right there, you know, and playing boom, boom.

SPEAKER_00 4:52

He's hitting he's hitting Alex with whatever tool that thing was. And for me, it's like, why? Why did you have to do that? Why did you like was that really necessary? Right? I understand you're trying to get things done. These guys are in your way, they were having a protest. I understand that, but it's like, is that really necessary? You're you're really being forceful and violent. And I think I asked perplexity, like, okay, so because I'm trying to get again, you're trying to understand both sides. Like, why were they violent? Uh, how many people in ice uh were killed? I I was trying to find, like, okay, were there a bunch of people being killed by ice, and that's why they have to be extra like careful? I don't really know. And they're doing wrong. I mean, it's they're they're clearly wrong. Like, for for if we're I said this before, if if we're so blinded by a narrative, like a particular narrative, um, ICE is doing a great job, they're doing great, they make no mistakes, and you're being ignorant because they are clearly making mistakes.

SPEAKER_01 5:47

That's I think it's actually pretty simple for me. I mean, I understand psychology, I understand that you know we're all human, we get triggered, and when we are untrained, I mean, I'll I'll just be I'll just be you know, rule forthright and say, even me as a dad, when I uh run into a situation where I think that I don't have control and I need to regain control, sometimes I will use anger. It can be a tool, but as soon as you exceed that you know heart rate 100 to 120 BPMs, you're just not thinking correctly. And I remember seeing um ads for ice agents, you know, uh recruitment, like hey, join us and get a bonus. And again, I do agree that immigration or illegal immigration is a big problem, it's draining on our resources. There's people here that are veterans or whatever that aren't getting the care that they need. That's and we're bleeding out um voting rights, federal funds, state funds to the people who aren't who haven't necessarily gone through their process. I'm an immigrant too. Like I went through a whole process. Like ever since I was a kid, I was constantly reminded that I wasn't a citizen, that I had to work through these things and be, you know, qualify, right, to become a citizen. So I get it. However, I would encourage people to think that these guys are probably not trained to even anywhere near where they're supposed to be emotionally. Um, they probably have a sense of pride, which is good as an American citizen doing the right thing, and yet they may be given too much leeway and power to be able to do whatever it takes. And that's clearly, clearly, clearly showing up. And even if it doesn't result in death, there's a lot of clips out there about ICE agents, you know, chasing people into businesses. It's just it is crazy. So I will maybe end with it's really tough because if I saw something like that happening, would I or would you be able to just watch, you know, like some nice ethnic lady be beat up or shoved? I would be, I don't know, it would be very, very difficult for me because you know we are protectors, and I would never let that happen to you know, forget it. If it was my mom, forget it. I don't even want to go there. But what is the cost to that? And the fact that we have to even worry about that and be concerned about that, that I feel like that's very, very dangerous to society. You know, it's crazy, and uh, I really hope it doesn't happen again, but there's definitely a need to get this out to the people. So I'll end there.

SPEAKER_00 8:25

Yeah, I I just looked up how many ICE agents were killed since President Trump's January 2025 inauguration. It actually says there have been zero ice deaths. So I don't know if that's true or not.

SPEAKER_01 8:37

I don't that doesn't surprise me. I mean, I don't know, it's tough. I mean, you have to make an impact, you have to kind of swing with a big hammer for a lot of these issues. And it tears at me because President Trump is doing a lot of things, you know, um, that are really good. He has the right people. There's so many things I could talk about, but this is definitely a sore mark.

SPEAKER_00 8:56

Yeah, I mean, I I don't think you have to be left to say that this is wrong. Let's not get ignorant, let's not be uh oblivious to the true facts here. These ICE agents made a mistake, and there's probably a lot of mistakes uh along the way. I really want the government to stop being like, no, they didn't make a mistake. No, um, you know, this guy was a violent, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. No, okay, he did have like two magazines with him. Not a good look, but it's just two magazines. If he had like a if he had like an M4 or like an assault rifle with like multiple bullets, that's a different story. I think the story is very clear. He's not a violent person, unless they something comes up. We we never know, right? Something may come up where he like this was all planned, and he was like planning on shooting these ice agents, whatever it is. Um, I'm sure they'll come out with it, but I I think this was just a clear mistake. And uh, there was one shot fired, and that scared them, and multiple shots were fired. I mean, 10 times. I mean, come on, they like really took this guy down. I think they just made a massive mistake, man. So I think that's very clear, you know, to bait us or not, but it's just I think it's very, really clear.

SPEAKER_01 10:05

I think there's always two sides, and um what's portrayed on the media, obviously with video footage. I don't know what else to say to that. I mean, it's literally right there. I don't think that these officers are walking away happy. I think they're gonna grieve as well and they're gonna suffer, unfortunately, when you hurt somebody like that. I don't think it ever leaves you. You know, there's got to be training, there's gotta be de-escalation training. I mean, even for the police department, this is what police officers talk about. And uh, I hope that it can get better.

SPEAKER_00 10:34

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