SPEAKER_00 0:00

Okay, over eleven hundred pages of Senator Fauci's diary was just released. Uh a couple of days ago there was a private Senate hearing, or I guess not so private because we all know about it. Um Fauci appeared before the Senate Homeland Security and invoked the Fifth Amendment more than 100 times. Peter, what does that mean?

SPEAKER_01 0:25

Well, we have there's this thing called the Fifth Amendment where we can basically stay silent because it's the I don't what is it, the right to stay silent or remain silent. Um and so yeah, people can use that, which I don't really understand that. I mean, do you weren't you a poly site major or I was. Um you're you're gonna get into law. It's like I I don't understand why you're a you're allowed to do that.

SPEAKER_00 0:53

So um there's clearly some coaching behind the scenes from Fauci's lawyers or whatever lawyers that you're working with. But essentially the idea is that you can uh refuse to answer a question that could incriminate you in court because anything you say can and will be used against you in the court of law. It's like their Miranda rights when police arrest you, they read off those rights.

SPEAKER_01 1:22

But then they're in court though, and so wouldn't they have to? I mean, the whole point is to get you know evidence and to I mean they're they're in court. How can you do that in court?

SPEAKER_00 1:32

That's a great question. Um why does that exist? I was a poly sci major, but I did not go to law school, so I cannot answer that question for you. I think what's interesting about um this is that you know, this kind of opens up old wounds about COVID, about controversies related to COVID. Um, but before we get into that, who is Dr. Fauci? For people who may not remember or not know. Uh Anthony Fauci served as a director of NAIAD, I believe it's the National Institute of Um Infectious Diseases from 1984 to 2022, and was a top medical advisor to both President Trump and Biden during COVID-19. Uh, he not only led responses uh regarding COVID, but he also led responses for HIV AIDS, Ebola, SARS, MERS. He's been a public figure for a very long time. Um, his long tenure and high visibility make him a symbolic figure. People um praise him, they denounce him. So we're gonna talk about some of the things that were released uh in the diary. So essentially, what they did was they dug out 1,100 pages of Fauci's uh daily diaries from different computers that were apparently compiled, led by uh Robert F. Kennedy Jr. And this is there's a lot of controversial takes on the things that were in Fauci's diary. So a couple of things. Um, so for example, when the Senate committee asks you questions, so you're Dr. Fauci, I'm asking you questions, right? What were some of those questions that Fauci refused to answer? And then we'll talk about what that really means. Um, a couple of top questions. Did NIH, which is the National Institute of Health, fund gain of function research in Wuhan that could have created SARS or uh COVID? Um, Peter, do you know what the gain of function research is? And maybe you can help tell people about it?

SPEAKER_01 3:52

Yeah, so gain of function is essentially where um they kind of they study viral sorry, hold on. Uh so the ins a Wuhan Institute of Virology um that they enhance viruses uh really you know for studying purposes, and that's called gain of function. So um they're saying that you know it contributed to the emergence of SARS, you know, COVID-2, uh, and then also they're they're saying it's also COVID-19 as well. So it's they're studying, they're enhancing like viruses to study them.

SPEAKER_00 4:34

Okay. So the the controversy is that not only that they it tried to enhance the virus, but through that they have may have actually created COVID.

SPEAKER_01 4:46

That's what they're saying. So the main accusation is that uh there is a place called Wuhan Lab, it's in China, and there was this market right now. They're saying, like, the best knowledge that we know is that there was this marketplace that's very close to the Wuhan lab. That uh apparently, you know, with with all these uh um uh exotic animals like bats and whatnot, it's like that's really where where it started, right? Uh and and the accusation is like, well, it's really close to the Wuhan lab. And so they're saying that there wasn't uh uh proper uh handling of their uh you know the the way they uh you know handle you know these diseases and somehow it leaked, it got out, got into that marketplace, and of course, you know, the rest is history. So that is their their biggest. So the question is like, and Dr. Fauci is involved in the Wuhan lab, and so it's like the question is did they start the this pandemic, which is a crazy thing to think about, right?

SPEAKER_00 5:48

And obviously, Dr. Fauci being the the national spokesperson said that that is nonsense, he dismissed it way in the beginning in 2020. But there is a journal entry, apparently, um, and on February 1st, 2020. So this is just for context, I remember seeing this place called Wuhan on the news for the first time in January of 2020. I was in Korea and I remember seeing this you know Wuhan thing come up and I just dismissed it. His diary entry is February 1st. So this is like way before the public got. I think this is before the lockdowns. Right. It all started in 2020. Um wasn't it March? Was the I think it was March or April, but so this is before that, which is an important point. Uh Vauci records a conference call with about a dozen virologistslash public health experts. He writes that only two scientists strongly favored a natural origin.

SPEAKER_01 6:55

Out of 10 scientists or 12 scientists, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 6:58

Two of them only believed that was uh natural. Exactly. So the rest of them, oh overwhelming majority, you know, thought that it could it could be made in a lab, which is the entire premise of what people are you know calling controversial. This is a diary entry, so I don't know if that's actually true. Um and another entry states quote unquote, now we know the market. So this is the claim that the animals, I guess, being sold in these these marketplaces. Um, you know, for those of you guys don't know, uh, in certain countries they eat many different types of animals or or use it for something. I mean, and bats kind of came up. There's I'm sure there's other animals too, but the market was not the source, it was the amplifier. So it's all it's almost like saying the bats that were blamed to be a natural source for COVID maybe was the reason why it spread so quickly, but it doesn't mean that COVID was natur you know natural from from nature, right? So that's a whole nother controversy. Um do you have any any thoughts on this?

SPEAKER_01 8:18

I I I guess it's just interesting how Fauci. I mean, so essentially Fauci could have caused they they could have caused the pandemic. The question is, is see, I guess in my mind, this is the conspiracy mind of mine, right? It's like are there, you know, is there like a deep state or is there like a um an evil organization that caused the pandemic to create you know certain outcomes like economic toil for um America or you know, to one of the conspiracies are, you know, this this disease really targets a certain demographic of people, right? Like they they target um people with obesity or older people, right? People, um okay, listen, I'm gonna go get a little crazy here, right? It's like let's just say I was an evil organization and I'm like, okay, we have to we're like running out of money, right? It's like these guys are not contributing to society, right? I'm not saying like I'm just talking about like the elderly, right? Like if I was evil, oh wow, these guys are not contributing to society, let's create a virus that would you know cause them to um pass away and that we don't have to pay out Social Security and all these things that are really like it's it is a big problem. I'm just saying, which sucks because like these guys are the ones who who worked their whole lives and and contributed to this this society, right? But this disease did really affect a certain demographic of people, whereas most of us were fine. Like most of us we we lived right through it without any problems. Um, so I've always wondered, okay, it's like was this was this like created to actually like affect the world in a negative way? Uh seeing that diary uh entry, that's kind of interesting because then maybe he didn't know, maybe, maybe he um maybe it was it was genuinely uh an accident. And then the question is like, how can that have happened? Does that mean like some of the animals got, you know, knowing COVID now and how they spread, that means either a person spread it to some animals or some of the animals got out somehow? Like, why don't we know this information? Why don't we, why don't we how can how can the the uh center of infectious diseases not have known the cause? We still don't know and affected the whole world. So I'm just I have a lot of questions.

SPEAKER_00 10:45

That's a hot take. Um, and that's interesting also because you know kids were not affected by it, right? And you know, I'm gonna piggyback on top of what you said on the controversy side. And yes, if the elderly are a drain on the society economically, well, kids are the new demographic that you need to carry the economy forward, right? Because you don't want to actually I hate to what word do I want to use? I don't want to say the word kill, but you don't want to uh take away the opportunity for the economy to grow, right? Which are essentially kids who are going to be the next generation of consumers. Um, okay, another allegation, and I want to ask you for your take on this, is Fauci privately so okay, think about it. F so it the allegation is Fauci privately believed the lab leak was plausible, but did dismissed it as a conspiracy. On one side, critics see this as a deliberate deception, obviously. Supporters say private um versus public communication under uncertainty is normal. The scientific consensus still leans toward natural spillover, but uh like you said, it's still unresolved. If you're Fauci and you're addressing the nation and there's all this pressure on you, right? We're looking at you. It's all you on TV. And I remember seeing him a lot on TV.

SPEAKER_01 12:17

Oh yeah.

SPEAKER_00 12:18

I mean, what were we doing? We were watching TV, right? What would you do? Would you this you know, would you take the risk of deceiving or lying to the public just to make people not panic? Or do you feel like you would have the I guess the moral obligation to still tell the truth somehow?

SPEAKER_01 12:42

I mean, I would think that having well, okay, here's the thing. Um, from someone who is the head of the center of infectious diseases, right? It's like he would basically lose all credibility. Not only that, is he would be blamed. A lot of people died, right? It's like, okay, whether they were actually COVID-related or not, uh, you have to admit, a lot of people were very severely affected. And that's one of the things that I I wanted to talk about, where it's like, uh, what did COVID actually do to us? Well, it killed a lot of people, it uh ruined many, many businesses, it's ruined people's childhoods, right? It's like, you know, kids were born into COVID and and it like they they're they have more social problems, right? That's kind of like what people are saying. Um, so a lot of people were affected. If you are potentially the cause of that problem, right? And or there's some kind of conspiracy or even a hint of that, you would lose all credibility. Your family, everybody, your kids, everybody would be the most hated people in the the whole world, right? And so, um, I mean, one would hope that they would have the conscious uh consciousness to say, hey, like, yeah, this is this is what happened. Like this is uh, you know, this this could have been what happened, but you know, he obviously didn't do that. And um, you know, he he covered it up. And who knows, maybe there's other there's other protections, maybe he's trying to protect other people, right, who are very powerful, like China. I don't know. Maybe there were other people involved in this, right? That that if they did an investigation, maybe discover some things that are very bad. It's like the the the um Epstein files, right? It's like why aren't they uncovering some of this stuff? And you got to question it why, and I think it's because they're protecting some people.

SPEAKER_00 14:38

You know what I should have done before this podcast that would be interesting to do is I would look at when Anthony Fauci was involved in these major, major outbreaks and pandemics. I mean, you talk about HIV, SARS, MERS, all these headlines, Ebola, right? COVID. I wonder what is what happened to his net worth around that time. I did do research on did you do that?

SPEAKER_01 15:06

Uh not necessarily okay. So no, I I didn't do research on all of the previous diseases. Sure, yeah. I can tell you the public records of his net worth right now. Okay, it's uh as of 2023 to 2025, uh, it's 15 million, right? So it's like, okay, knowing money, knowing how money grows, right? It's like he is an older gentleman, so it's like it's not the end of the world. So uh in 2020, he um his salary, I don't know what it was before, but his salary rose to $480,000 um by 2022. Pretty healthy, pretty healthy, kind of makes sense for someone of that position, right? Um, you know, not to put ourselves out there, but you know, we we make good money, right? Um, our net worth isn't you know over 15 million, right? So how do you necessarily get there, right? How did he get there? Well, um the because his net so one of the uh one of the criticisms is that his net worth jumped up significantly after COVID. And the question is why? How did he get there? And I I want to know that the answer is there, yeah, yeah, right? Because um the conspira I would say the conspiracy is that, well, there's many ways he could have been paid, right? Because, you know, kind of like Trump, this is a conspiracy about him as well. It's like the thing is they have so much power in their words, they can make an announcement and move markets. And I believe in one of his journal entries that it actually said that, you know, I could actually, you know, the stock market could drop based off what to say, it can go up based off what I say. Now, if I were a greedy person, what would I do? Right? Hey, Bob, who owns a big hedge fund, hey Patrick, who owns a big, you know, uh firm or whatever, right? That that handles a lot of money. Uh, I'm gonna make this announcement before it happens. All of a sudden the stocks go up, all of a sudden the stocks go down, right? And they could short, they can make a lot of money doing that. What they're what the public is saying is that uh he made his money through a book deal, right? So he made he uh sold a memoir to the uh Penguin Random House and approximately uh made five million there. Uh he had speaking and consulting, and so the financial disclosures for 2023 show multiple six-figure deposits because of that. Um, and then market performance. His portfolio includes funds, rising markets can add millions to the net worth without any tie to the pandemic. But it's like, well, like if there were like if I were a greedy person, do you think I would show a clear, you know, path, like a footsteps to making money off of the pandemic? Obviously not. Like, if I was a smart person, I wouldn't show that, but you can make it through other ways, right? Like through donations or through, you know, there's crypto. I don't know. Whatever. Like, I'm sure his net worth is a lot. Um personally, for me, I think his net worth is probably a lot more than 15 million. People just don't know about it. And he probably has accounts. There's so many ways to hide money, man. So that's kind of um it is very suspicious um because it went from basically 7.6 million, basically in two in five years. In five years it went up um like eight million dollars. That's a lot, dude. That's double, it's it was more than double his net worth. I mean that doesn't happen.

SPEAKER_00 18:49

I went I we know investing as a public servant, as a well-paid public servant, you know, you okay, sure, half a million, 400k. Well, the tax bracket, you make half of that. Yeah, exactly. And do the math. If you do the math, it I don't know. It the reason why this is important is because okay, forget about Fauci for a second, right? It is so well known that public figures who are not supposed to be making a lot of money are worth a lot of money somehow after their public you know service. Yes, the Clintons, the Obamas, man. I mean, just Google it.

SPEAKER_01 19:32

You don't have to take our word for it. Their foundation, the Clinton Foundation. Yeah, they got all these donations. They're worth that's a clear way to get money.

SPEAKER_00 19:39

They're worth like I think three or four hundred million dollars.

SPEAKER_01 19:43

And they only they don't presidents don't make that much money. No, not not what I think they make like four to five hundred, I believe. Yeah, which I mean Dude, I know I I know a lot of people making that kind of money. It's you're not yeah, your net worth is not after your tax, unless they're not paying taxes, like, dude.

SPEAKER_00 20:00

They should pay the president more on the front end, but somehow these guys, even though they don't get paid on the front end, they are worth a lot more on the back end. So there is a precedence and like a truth-based reason why you would think foul, you know, why why we would even question his net worth, just so it's clear. Um, we'll cover a couple more allegations uh that rose through the uh the diaries. So the another allegation is Fauci actively pushed governors and mayors to impose school closures and business shutdowns. So this is a very controversial take, especially if you are a business owner or people who just were employees of those businesses that couldn't go to work and had to go into unemployment and these things. And then maybe we can also touch on the economic side of things. But in March 2020, in Fauci's journal, he writes that he convinced New York City Mayor Bill, uh, the Di Blasio to close NYC schools and later bars and restaurants based on their conversations. Another entry in the diary notes similar calls with California officials before Governor Newsom closed schools and bars and restaurants. Why is this controversial? This portrays Fauci as a key driver of society-wide shutdowns that had massive economic and social costs, contradicting later claims that he merely advised and didn't order closures. Okay. A supporting view in a crisis, top health officials routinely urge aggressive measures. Uh diary language may sound strong, but reflect standard emergency counsel, et cetera, et cetera. So, so Peter, what why is this controversial? And what happened economically after COVID?

SPEAKER_01 22:00

Something that I wanted to know because we okay, a lot of our problems today, a lot of problems are actually caused still by the pandemic. Okay. And people don't realize that. Like, how much did this actually affect us? Well, back in the day it seemed like a big deal, but we kind of forgot about it. We we were like, oh well, it was just like a little thing for a year, you know, it wasn't a huge deal. But we don't realize how much like economically we were affected. So there's a lot of business owners that had to close their doors. I mean, they were restaurant, dude. How many restaurants right now are struggling right now to keep it open? So many. There's a statistic right now in in Washington. Uh yeah, in Washington, where only 4% of uh restaurant owners are actually making money right now. Four percent. Okay. That's not because people stopped going to restaurants, and there's so many restaurants who were open for decades, had to close down because they just couldn't keep the there weren't customers, right? So remember what happened to a lot of these business owners, which are the backbone of, I mean, it's the backbone of uh America. A lot of business owners had to shut down, and then later on, they got what we call the PPE. Remember that is it the PPE or the PPP?

SPEAKER_00 23:21

I was just thinking about that, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 23:22

Yeah, so so they got uh an injection of money to kind of keep their doors open and pay their employees, right? Um, which sounds all good. Great, you know, we kept the businesses alive. Uh what I can tell you is that we paid for it. Our inflation, the reason why your gas prices are so much higher, the reason why uh your your steak prices, meat prices, right, the food prices, the reason why so many prices went up was because of this pandemic. It it significantly uh changed it because we essentially that PPE PP, a lot of people abuse the PPP money, by the way. They they totally like falsified records. There was no there was no uh accountability there. Uh and I know this because I know people who have actually like abused this, like, oh yeah, we just got a bunch of money and we basically used it to to go invest in the stock market or to to go on vacation.

SPEAKER_00 24:19

Widow, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 24:20

And and it would the accountability was so bad, but but essentially we paid for it because they printed a bunch of money. Why is housing so expensive? Why is rent so expensive? Why are you know what happened to home prices? They basically lowered the interest rates down so low that people started buying. Like, remember, we were getting 400,000 above asking offers. Okay, the market went crazy. Who paid for all of this, right? So, what what they did was they actually for the housing market, they bought mortgage-backed securities, thus low just make thus making the uh the mortgage rates extremely low. Like it was sub 3%, which is never should ever be that low. And then the housing market went up like crazy. But who's paying for that? We are. We paid for it, we paid for the PPPs, we paid for all of this stuff, and that was all caused by the pandemic. The pandemic has significantly changed everything about the American economy. The only reason why we're able to stay alive right now is because we are um printing money and we're seeing inflation, you know, just it was almost like double. I don't know if it actually hit double digits or what happened, but it was very close to double digits, which is an insane inflation rate. And any worse than that, and it could have ruined our whole country. And we still believe that it will ruin our country. So, yeah, economically, it devastated us and devastated a lot of people.

SPEAKER_00 25:57

I mean, let alone the supply chain disruptions that are causing, you know, in our industry, we talk a lot about building prices, right? And how they're so high. Builders have to build at a higher price per square foot, which is affecting housing startups, which is affecting the market in a bad way. There's less inventory, at least on the uh the startup side or the or the the you know the the first home uh price range. That was all caused by supply chain disruptions with COVID. You know, things not being able to come through the border, right? Reminiscent of what's happening now with the Strait of Hormuz. Oil isn't going through all these frictions, all the all these things that are causing more and more difficulty and things need getting to people that uh things getting to places that people need, right? That's you know affecting inflation. So it is something that is definitely affecting us today, and I completely agree. Is there anything else on that?

SPEAKER_01 27:01

My question to you, okay, so this is another really controversial thing that I uh I I don't I don't want to claim that I have a a you know a heart stance on. Was COVID-19 real? Right, in the sense, because that is the huge criticism that a lot of the right is saying is that COVID-19 was actually not that big of a deal, that it was as it was basically like a really bad flu, right? And you know, and we didn't need to have vaccines and et cetera, et cetera. And so my question is like, do you think that this was real? Um, like COVID-19 was a real thing, and and it permits us to close down basically the whole uh United States, close down churches, which a lot of churches close down, close down businesses, close down, you know, schools, close down all these things that really just like affect people in such a negative way.

SPEAKER_00 28:01

Uming what I know about the virus, because I have listened to experts talk about the actual virus, right? It is, you know, um, and I'm not a scientist, but from what I know, it's an RNA uh virus, or or or you know, yes, it's an RNA virus where it it literally changes your R. So there's DNA and RNA that help you make more cells, and the RNA was changed, and that what there's like a whole class of these. Um actually, COVID is not just, I'm sorry, SARS, COV2, COVID 2 is not it, it's just its own family of diseases. It's not just COVID. It's there's there have been many variations of this.

SPEAKER_01 28:51

Yeah, it's COVID-19, but then there's like COVID-2, right? There's like different, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 28:55

Yeah, so in that sense, going back to the previous theory of maybe it was engineered, that does make sense because it came from this class of diseases. I do think it was real in the sense that some people would definitely get sick, but I do honestly think that it was overblown and the coverage of the disease, you know, of the of the pandemic was more the issue than the actual disease not being real, in my opinion. Yeah, do you think do you think it was a real disease or was it just like a common flu?

SPEAKER_01 29:33

I think it was a real disease. Um, do I feel that the uh death number, the the the death toll numbers, which uh I actually pulled up um was pretty staggering. It clearly is a lot more than the flu. Do I believe some of that could have been manipulated? Yes, I do, right? It's like um what people are saying is that um the people like any anybody who dies for whatever reason, they basically uh um designated it as a COVID-related death. And so that could be uh, and why? Like, what's the reasoning behind that? Well, you know, it could be for several reasons why they want they want people, they want to see a higher death toll so they can get people to comply more with obviously staying home, wearing masks, and and and doing all of that. That's kind of like what they're saying, or get the vaccines, right? Which then that's a whole nother thing. It's like, okay, are we like forcing vaccines to either like you know manipulate our health in some ways because the the vaccine is uh it's an mRNA, right? I I think you it basically it it it's it like messes with your genetic, right? That that will then protect you, right? It changes the way your cells copy themselves, basically. Right. So um, well here, where was the uh yeah, so like okay, so just getting into it, so the W the World Um Health Organization estimates um you know the the food flu related deaths were 200 hold on. Well, they say that the um CDC estimates 12,000 to 52,000 flu deaths per season, right? And then we all we know COVID. You guys remember you remember that tracker? Like we all know that we had significantly more deaths like um in around the world and also around uh um you know America. We saw like 500,000, then hit a million, right? And it just kept going, if you remember those times. So um do I believe it's real? Yes, I have friends who worked in a um who worked at the hospitals and saw people really dying, like actual people dying. And I I it most like most the statistics are that a lot of them are older gentlemen, right? Like they could be um, you know, 40s to like 80s, most of them, and they were genuinely on ventilators, and after they got in ventilators, they died. People also say like the ventilators are are what caused the death, whatever. But I think it was real. Um, hospitals were truly you know filled up, and and your wife probably saw, I mean, during during that time, she probably saw a lot of people going through it. So, do I believe that it was a real thing? Um, yes. Do I believe that you know the vaccines were necessary? Maybe, maybe not. I'm kind of iffy on that because I know a lot of people who got the vaccines who were, you know, still got it. And then they're saying that you know it will it kind of like reduced the symptoms. But I know people who are in bad shape even after the vaccines, after getting three, four shots of that vaccine. So um, but again, the right is saying that you know it's it's not it wasn't that big of a deal, and then we shouldn't have closed. Should we have closed businesses or force people to close businesses? Um, that's a tough one. What do you think? Should we have closed businesses knowing that it is infectious, it does spread, and would it have helped if we genuinely just all stayed home and listened?

SPEAKER_00 33:17

That's a tough one. I mean, again, I am married to a nurse practitioner, so we've gone, we've done this debate so many, and it's gotten heated because you know, she is in the profession, right? Okay, on one hand, you have uh people being ordered to shut down their livelihood and not go to work and you know, close down their businesses that might be multi-generational or their legacy, whatever it is because of something that we don't completely know about. To be fair, because there was a lot of things that we just didn't understand, the vaccines were untested or not as test not tested as much as it could have or should have. So that's a liberty and a freedom thing. Can we make people or force them to do things, you know, uh when the government says so? Well, yes, in certain cases, like martial law, right? If if a country attacks us, we can uh have martial law, which is essentially the federal government taking over and saying, okay, you're gonna listen to us now, because people are dying. Was this that situation? Maybe, maybe not. On the other hand, you have hospitals, and this is the point that you know my wife keeps driving back to is that hospitals were inundated and flooded with all these patients, to be fair, that were older, that had comorbidities or other issues like uh being overweight or having you know uh other issues. I'm not a doctor, I don't want to speak on it, but there's multiple other issues that could make COVID uh NSF effects worse. So you had hospitals literally, I remember uh reading articles of hospitals like having to create tents and treat people outside, and you know, the morgue was filling up with bodies, and it was a whole thing. And but was that also overblown too? Like, what's the statistic? So there's a lot of these back and forth arguments, um, but you know, I don't know, and I think it's something that I will never know, but I do think a lot of people feel like a lot of the facts were either misrepresented or overblown. And it's kind of a I don't know, it's an icky feeling.

SPEAKER_01 35:42

It's not a good I mean it's not a good feeling. It's it's like what exactly did happen? I I don't know, man. It's like remember the whole masks thing, like it was super uncomfortable, but yeah, was I against masks? Because so many people were against masks. Remember those people who are like, no, you're not gonna tell me what to do. Yeah, sure. Frick, man. Like, I do masks actually help? I was kind of one of them, to be honest. Well, and I well, no, I did wear masks, but it's like, okay, because if you it because if you're if you're sneezing, because that I mean, that's not debated, right? If you sneeze or like if you cough, right? Because what you you cough during that time, that could spread it, right? Because it it's it comes out through the mouth, right? So if you have a mask, right, that could lower like that spreading of the disease. So so many people were anti-masked. Like, should we have been anti-masked, knowing that it could potentially help not spread this disease? I don't know, man. Personally, for me, like I would have just done it, right? It's like not a huge deal. People aren't dying from it, and you know, it could slow, slow the slow the disease. Um, should we what about the vaccines? Well, for me, like, okay, am I an anti-vaxxer? I did get the vaccine, right? I got I got two shots of the vaccine. We did um I did not get any more than that, right? It's like because I didn't feel like the efficacy of the vaccine was uh that strong. Plus, we don't truly know the side effects, right? And that that's uh I'll be honest, that's what kind of scared me from continuing. Yeah, it's like, okay, I sit I know so many people who got the vaccines who are still getting the thing, right? They're still getting it, they're still being infectious, and we don't know the true side effects of what this is doing because it's a DNA type of technology that we don't truly know the full implications of it, even though they, you know, said that it's very safe. Um, so uh yeah, I I don't know. Like closing down businesses, I I don't think should have been a thing. Um, because I think as Americans, we should have the right to be able to, you know, have our businesses open. Um, should we have closed down churches? I could I could tell you right now, so many churches closed their doors. So the the count of Americans going to church significantly reduced. I I was uh uh an elder at my church. I know this information. Uh people have closed many churches have closed down doors because of the pandemic. Because, like, literally, people it went from like online uh views, like viewing online, to basically stop going to church. So it 100% affected us. Now, economically, dude, it really affected us. It's really affecting us right now, and I think we're still gonna experience the pain from it. But um, yeah, all this stuff really, really will affect us very negatively. Um could we have done it better? Yeah, absolutely. But was the disease real? Yeah, I I think it was 100%. I I think it was worse than the flu.

SPEAKER_00 38:57

Uh, one more thing that we'll cover before we wrap it up is um, and I think this is an important one. Uh, another allegation is Fauci suppressed or discouraged effective early treatments or alternative treatments like ivermectin and hydroxychloroquine, which is uh, I think it's like uh malaria or it sees drugs that have been used for a long time. So the public knew that it was safe because, for example, ivermectin. I got into my wife, I got into it with my wife again over ivermectin because I, you know, I saw in Joe Rogan that this was a thing and I looked into it, and you know, there were billions and billions of doses of ivermectin given for parasites actually in in the past like 50 years. So, you know, the another argument for why uh things like that were um kind of uh you know uh demoted was ivermectin didn't have a patent on it, and it was be it was able to be sold as a generic drug. So you can't really, you know, you can't make billions of dollars of revenue by selling something that hasn't that has its patent run out, right? And if they make a if they if you push the public to take a vaccine that is making all these companies billions of dollars, you can because it is um it has that status, essentially, right? Of it being the legal solution. So there's all these weird controversies. But what's funny is that aft after COVID has had been in the public for a while, these alternative treatments were actually some were proven to be effective. Oh, really? Yeah, some were. I I wouldn't say a hundred percent. And actually, one of the questions that Fauci was asked point blank in the Senate hearing was there is a claim that has risen now that 60 to 70 percent there there was a 60 to 70 percent effectiveness for ivermectin. So it's not a hundred percent, but it wouldn't have hurt you, is the whole point. It would not have hurt you, right? And I I I have ivermectin at home. I had to go to like Mexico to to buy this um because they don't just sell it um in in the states in a pharmacy. So anyway, so it's like could this have either a helped you heal faster with less side effects and complications without the vaccine that's giving people long COVID symptoms, like you're talking about, or could it have reduced like the severity of the symptoms? Why wasn't this um administered in hospitals? Exactly.

SPEAKER_01 41:51

That's in my in my mind. If it has some kind of effectiveness, and I guess what you're putting, what this is saying is that it could potentially be financial, right?

SPEAKER_00 42:02

I think that was a pretty big incentive, in in my opinion. Um people say the critics say, well, you shouldn't administer something that's not explicitly for this disease, like a vaccine or a treatment. And then the uh I'm sorry, the proponents, the supporters say that, and the critics say there people don't die off of taking ivermectin. Like people in third world countries take this thing because they have parasites from drinking bad water or whatever it is. And it was shown in certain studies that were maybe pushed down that it was effective at reducing you know the viral load, as they call it, or how long it took you to get out of COVID, which directly affects people in hospitals overloading the system, which then could have helped, you know, not shut down businesses. So there's like this whole you have to kind of chase the tail a little bit on these topics. Um but anyway, do you have any thoughts on alternative medicine and why this, you know, may maybe why it should be more allowed or or or you know, given favorable opinions?

SPEAKER_01 43:18

I mean, dude, I I just I okay, is this controversy true? Are there people making a lot of money through vaccines? The answer is yes. We know they are making a lot of money. Pfizer, right? Who's the other one? Pfizer, Moderna, Moderna, okay, let's just say those two, right? Sure, yeah. Uh Johnson Johnson, etc., etc. Like AstraZeneca. Yeah, these guys made a lot of money, right? Okay, and I guess a question because I I don't know the answer is like, did that affect our health insurance? Because, dude, our health insurance is out of this world. I don't know about you, but the prices of the health insurance has just Been going up like crazy. Is it because you know, because we're paying for see, we think that it was all free and we're just getting these shots? Great. No, we paid for it. Like whether the government put a bunch of money again, we're paying for it because it's our tax dollars and it's our inflation of the money, right? Or whether it's our health insurance going up because we we, you know, everyone's getting these shots, right? We are paying for it. It's like, did they make a whole bunch of money doing this? The answer is likely yes. Are they pushing certain you know, uh remedies like the vaccines, uh, as a you know, and making a whole bunch of money? It's like, yes, like it's it's all yes at the end of the day. So um, like has this stuff been going on for a very long time where you know basically it's all financial driven, like we're pushing drugs that make money. Um, and the ones that don't make money we're not pushing, even though it has efficacy. Uh, has this stuff been been going on? I think yes, as well. So that's my take. I think it's real, I think it's a real thing. I think drug prices are absolutely out of this world. Um, I think natural remedies aren't really, I mean, YouTubers talk about it, social media people talk about it, but they're not really pushed in, you know, by by the doctors or anything, and a lot of them have side effects. That's a whole nother topic. Um, but to kind of like end this, uh, do you do you have anything else?

SPEAKER_00 45:28

Uh no, I will say that after the hearing, just to give a couple more uh what's happening next facts. After the hearing, Republican senators say they will move toward a contempt of Congress vote over Fauci's refusal to answer. Um, and it is definitely igniting more public debate over COVID, over the economy, over all of these things that are, again, old wounds just being reopened. So I think everybody should be aware of what's happening. And I think the thing that maybe I want to end with is uh this has caused a lot of mistrust in the government, and I think that is severely hurting us. I think it is not good. You know, for us in the parent parent-children context, the government is sort of the the parental figure that watches over us or is kind of the idea, right? Watches over us but doesn't strangle us, right? And I think the mistrust in the government um is a really bad trickle-down effect. And I hope that we uncover some facts about what actually happened, just so that people get closure. But will it happen? I don't know. So I'll let you uh finish with that thought.

SPEAKER_01 46:48

Yeah, it's like we still don't know what's going on with the Epstein files. We still don't know what happened with COVID. We don't know, like they're like, are aliens real? I don't know. There's just there's so much stuff that's just like what what like can we get the truth, please? Like, who's gonna disclose this? We thought Trump was gonna do it, but he didn't. He's not, you know what I mean? So he's losing a lot. I mean, that's why he hit his polls are not looking great as well. So just like yeah, the like this whole pardon thing, right, with Fauci is the craziest thing. I I I don't see the the Fifth Amendment, the pardon thing, I think it's just crazy. So that means I don't know how does this work? Like, that means if Trump killed 19 people, is he like it is he not like will they not take him to jail? Isn't that how pardons work? Like, why can why can why can Fauci get away with so many things now and and not get accountability because he's pardoned, right? Because Biden pardoned uh during his administration, pardoned Fauci. So he's like immune from this accountability, which I just find so freaking ridiculous. And like, okay, they're trying to do contempt and this and that, but it's like Fauci basically he gave him like a right to like not be touched, but it's like okay, which is crazy, which is crazy. If you if you caused the world, like millions of people's people to die, millions of businesses to go go down, millions of people from from becoming super poor, like no accountability. The question, okay, here's a question in my mind Is Fauci, can Fauci be the most hated person in the world right now? And I I think that's like my my question right now, because like he's doing the Fifth Amendment, which is like I get it, he's trying to protect himself, but is he truly a part of the cause of causing the world's greatest to the state, the world's greatest catastrophe financially, health-wise, death toll-wise? I mean, could he be the cause of all of this? The reason why we have you know social problems in children, the reason why schools are struggling financially, the reason why, you know, the you know, food prices are going so hot. Could he be the most hated man in all of the world right now? I think that's the question that people want answers to. And the fact that Fauci is saying, you know, Fifth Amendment, pardon, all this stuff, and he's like protecting himself, and he's not, you know, giving an explanation, which I'm sure he's going to, uh, maybe a BS explanation. I don't really know. Um it's just like this is gonna drive us crazy, and we need answers now. Because this is, I mean, he he could be a I mean, seriously, he could be a part of uh like the biggest mass murder in in the whole world ever, right?

SPEAKER_00 49:47

So it is interesting that a lot of these controversial things, Epstein, UFO, is coming out at the same time we're at war overseas, and I think that's has always been kind of like a distraction tactic. Yes, and we know that exists, and and that's a scary thing, is this could be like a blip, and then you know, watch the headlines in the next week. Because this just happened like two or three days ago, right? The hearing just happened.

SPEAKER_01 50:14

So the war. I I've been seeing feeds about the war and escalating, and there was a missile attack like today or yesterday.

SPEAKER_00 50:21

We are so, so uh in some ways feeble-minded and very short-sighted when it comes to what's happening. It's like we're just oh, look at this, and then we kind of ignore, like you said, it's like a magician. Yeah, it's like distraction technique. It's crazy. So it's like, guys, watch what the headlines are gonna be like in the next week or so. I'm scared to find out what other distractions gonna come out to maybe quiet this down because this is a uh a very upsetting topic for a lot of people, and it's still emotionally charged. So I guess we'll see.

SPEAKER_01 50:59

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