Faith in the Fire: From Hustle to HSBC, Motherhood, and Purpose

Faith in the Fire: Building Purpose Through Pain, Business & Motherhood

Description:

In this powerful episode of In Her Space, we sit down with Faith Temitope-Babatunde — a banker, entrepreneur, and founder of the Faith Ehimwenma Foundation. Faith shares how she moved to the UK as a young, pregnant mum with a 5-year-old, and rebuilt her life from the ground.

From selling sachet water in her university hostel at 16 to managing a career at HSBC while launching multiple ventures and running a foundation that serves women, children, and sickle cell warriors in Nigeria — Faith’s journey is one of resilience, purpose, and impact.

We talk about:

• Navigating depression and rediscovering meaning
• Juggling motherhood, marriage, career, and calling
• Taking bold, nontraditional paths to success
• What it takes to start a business — and keep going
• Creating a life that serves others while staying true to yourself

If you’ve ever felt like the odds are against you — this episode will remind you of what’s possible.

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Episode Highlights / Chapters:

• 00:00 – Cold Open & Intro
• 03:15 – Faith’s childhood hustle: sachet water & recharge cards
• 09:00 – The move to the UK: pregnant & starting from scratch
• 17:40 – Depression and identity loss
• 24:00 – Building a restaurant business while in banking
• 33:00 – Starting a foundation for sickle cell warriors
• 41:30 – Balancing wife, mum, career & purpose
• 50:20 – Splitting bills with a man: Is 50/50 fair?
• 59:00 – Advice to her younger self

Transcript

Interviewer | Guest: 0:00

What I did was I was always speaking to my phone. So it's a really good way to come out from it. So very practical. It worked for me. Please tell us, how were you speaking to it? Is there an app on your phone? All you need to do is just go to your recorder. To be fair, I never really spoke with anybody about the major thing that was affecting me because I didn't really feel comfortable to talk about it. Sometimes you could be overly ambitious and then when you stall at a point, you just get so tired of life. I want to talk about this thing because I feel like it could help people. And I had dreams. I had hopes. I was like, oh, I'm going to be this by that. I'm going to do this by this time. You know, I had my life all figured out, you know, but when things were not going as planned. That really took a toll on me. I had to self-motivate myself. I had to pick myself up. I had to look at people that, you know, this person... Welcome to In Her Space podcast, a safe space for raw and real conversations with women who have walked in those shoes. Unfiltered experiences makes it her space. Hosted by yours truly, Ivy Ekong. Hello everyone, welcome back to another episode of In Her Space podcast. Today we are joined by a beautiful, beautiful guest of ours who I'll be introducing very soon. And it's going to be an amazing episode, so stay tuned. And I just want to say a big thank you to everyone who have sent us their questions, everyone who have sent us their feedback about the podcast is being so, so amazing. Honestly, I can't even believe how far we've come in only two months. And somebody was telling me, I thought you started this podcast like two years ago. I said, no, it's only been about two months ago. And I think you guys, our audience, have really made this so worth it and made it so special. So remember to subscribe to our YouTube channel in her space pod. Instagram, TikTok and every other platform it's in her space podcast. Every episode as well goes on Apple podcast, Spotify, Amazon and just anywhere you listen to your podcast. So remember to also subscribe to us there. Today's guest is Faith Temitokwe Babatunde. Yes, yes. Faith Temitokwe-Baba today. She's a true example of resilience and reinvention. She's a banker and a business specialist at HSBC here in the UK and the founder of Faith Ehuema Foundation. She's an entrepreneur and she started her entrepreneurial journey at the age of 16. Wow. Amazing. So she started selling sachet water. I was really intrigued by this. Honestly, when my guest team gave me your profile and said, this is her, like I was, I was like that on my phone. I was, oh, wow, this is so inspiring. She started selling sachet water and recharge cards from her university hostel in Nigeria. And since then, from selling sachet water she has built an empire for herself in the UK and she has built multiple ventures navigated a demanding corporate career and poured her heart out into making real impact through her foundation I cannot wait for all of you to hear her story very very inspiring story so if you have been going through any challenges and you feel you you are stuck and you don't know how to move from where you are to the next level, then this episode is for you. Stay tuned. Welcome, Faith. Thank you so much, Ivy. So lovely to have you here in our space today. I hope you're well. I am good. I'm super duper excited to be here. I've been watching your podcast, as I said, when I came in. It's so beautiful and it's so... unusual in a good way. It's not like other podcasts that I've come across, very inspiring, and I'm so glad to be part of it here. Thank you. That's so sweet. Honestly, that encourages me. Okay, so you've been watching the podcast, so you know the first question coming, which is her space, where you are right now. What does having your own space mean to you as a woman, especially with all you do? Yeah. Yeah. So what does that mean to you so first and foremost having my own space is having the right people around me because I know so many people will say oh this person is self-made and all that but I feel like being in your own space means your space with good people, people that pour into you. Because if you keep pouring into people and they don't pour into you back, it's like you're pouring out of an empty cup. Yes, absolutely. It's not going to work in the long run. So being in her space means being surrounded with amazing people. Secondly, being in her space means means you have a voice yes you know absolutely yeah being able to speak out being able to share your journey to other women other young girls youths and you know everyone across so yeah I would say those two main points are like the major things I would say being in her space means for me for you yeah that's really good I think that's a good point to sort of share and it's so important to have our space as women very very important you've been open about facing depression can you take us back to the moment when you realized something had to change And what did rediscovering your purpose mean? So that's like two questions for you at once. So first take us back to the moment when you realized something had to change. So I think the moment when I felt like something really, really had to change was... I know it may sound cliche, but it's when I started having kids, especially with my daughter, I wanted a situation whereby she had someone to look up to because I've always been somebody that wanted to have someone to look up to as well, even in business, even in anything. I know I would go back and browse through Google to check on what this person has done in this sphere of business and all that stuff. So I knew that something had to change when I had my my first kid. And I was like, I want a situation whereby she doesn't have to search too far. You know, her mom is right there. She's an example. She's an exemplary person that I can look up to. And how do I do that? It's by rediscovering myself. It's by, you know, um, shaping myself to somebody that she can look up to. Exactly. Yes. Yeah. Okay, that's really good. So what did rediscovering your purpose actually look like, like in real life? Because when you've experienced depression, sometimes it's really hard to make that shift. And depression is not something that you can see. I can be depressed now and I'll be laughing with you and you would know. So a lot of people, I think a lot of people that actually experience depression, they do not feel really seen or heard because you know when you have like an injury you can quickly go to the hospital and then they'll see it and they'll treat it but when someone keeps saying I'm going through like a mental challenge a lot of people don't take it you know really seriously and it can be hard to really make that shift do you understand and get through on the other side so how did you do that because I really want you to help anyone listen Yeah. So first and foremost, you know, when I spoke about being in her space, I said something about surrounding yourself with amazing people. I know that when you are in a stage of a depressive state, in a state where you don't want to speak to anyone and all that stuff, it's really, really essential that you surround yourself with amazing people. So the first step I did to come out of there was to have like great people around me. people that could speak life, that could speak joy into me and try to shed off people that just drained my energy. I had some friends whereby I would talk to them and after then it's like they've drained the life. You are more drained, yeah. It's like a lock. in my body and sometimes because of the kind of person that I am and I feel like some other people would be like that I could be going through my own challenges but I wouldn't say anything and I would still be trying to give joy to somebody else and you don't know that I'm actually going through that

Speaker 00: 10:25

and

Speaker 01: 10:26

then you're not just there you know bombarding you're not even asking how you're doing you're just talking about your own self you know what I mean that can be that can even add to my own depression but when you do you know Surround yourself with... Filtering. So you did like a filtering. Exactly. Yes, you filtered. In fact, an ultra filtration of friends, of people that I did not need in my life. So if you want to like get out of that space, number one, don't seclude yourself. Don't say, oh, I need to like just... keep to myself no because I know yeah when you in that stage you just all you are just thinking about is I want to be on my own yes if you do that then you're not going to get out of it that was actually my next question you've just like I was going to ask how did you start talking about it because talking about it helps of course it does it does I'm going to get to that part but first of all like you don't need to like secure yourself you need to like you know speak even if it's not about what you're going through because some things are so heavy yeah you cannot say it out which is fine but you can just talk about normal random things but with people that are not draining you try as much as possible not to guilt trip yourself to be with people that are you know just taking the energy the life out of you be selfish when you are in that state yes You know, it's selfish. I mean, I mean, selfish for your own good. Like, just think about it. Like, I need to do this for myself. You've got to go. I'm sorry. You've got to go. I need new friends. You know, I need this new person because some people are so like me and this person we've been together for like decades. 10 years and 20 years. I cannot cut that cord. Yes. I can't, I can't burn the bridge. Even when it's not, no longer. Exactly. It's not serving you anymore. Yes. So if it's not serving you, then just let it go. Let it go. Let it go. Yeah. Okay. So, um, back to the other question, how did you begin to talk about it? So was that healing as well? Of course. Um, I will be very practical with you. I, I, Did not start talking to people straight up. What I did was I was always speaking to my phone. So it's a really good way to come out from it. So very practical. It worked for me. Please tell us, how were you speaking to? Is there an app on your phone? All you need to do is just go to your recorder and just talk. Just pay it all. Oh, wow. It feels like you're talking to a therapist that you cannot see. A hundred percent. So before the advent of chat GBT and all that stuff, I was already like struggling with my whole, you know, state of mind. So what I would just do is go to my phone, tap on the voice recorder, look at the mirror and I'll start talking. Wow. You could cry, you could vent, you could do whatever. Yeah. You just talk. And before you know it, you're laughing, you're okay. Yeah, you feel you've let it out. You've let it out. No judgment. No judgment. It's just you, your God, and your phone. Yeah, so it's a very practical way. And once you start doing that once, twice, and you're getting into the reading, later on you can now start the true not matter is to be fair i never really spoke with anybody about the the major thing that was you know affecting me because i didn't really feel comfortable to to talk about it so if you're someone right that whatever is putting you down or holding you down and you're thinking about and you feel like you could never in a million years yeah talk about it you can actually talk to yourself about it just take your phone you know talk through it or on your voice recorder and it works magic wow that's really good I mean well done honestly well done that that helped and I know that anyone listening to this right now would also have learned something I have learned something as well today I would I mean I would love to know what started your depression and how but I don't want to pry when you're comfortable if you want to share you can share if you don't want to share that That's fine. As long as you're okay. That's all that, you know, really matters. It's to be, to be fair, right? It's a couple of like things, but I would say one of the major things that actually made me a bit depressed is the fact that, you know, sometimes you could be overly ambitious. And then when you stall at a point, you just get so tired of life. Yes. You get like a lot of us. Yeah. So I want, well, I'm, I want to talk about this thing is because I feel like it could help people. So if I don't want to like hide too much, but I would say one of the things is because I graduated at 20, you know, at the age of 20, I graduated really young and I had dreams. I had hopes. I was like, oh, I'm going to be this by that. I'm going to do this by this time. You know, I had my life all figured out, you know, but when things were not going as planned, That really took a toll on me, you know, and I feel like it could also happen to a lot of people, especially when you're someone that is so like organized and you just have your life kind of like planned out and then things are not going according to plan. You just spiral out of control. Do you believe in horoscope? What's your bed sign? Of course I do. Pisces. Pisces. Oh, my daughter is a Pisces. Not that you're saying that, it makes a lot of sense because you guys are so organized. You literally write out your whole life. She writes, she knows what she's doing next month, even up to the next six months. And she's just 15. She is so organized. And I always tell her, slow down, have fun with life. Everything doesn't have to be so serious. Sometimes get outside of your notes that you go to have a look and just have fun. Life is about fun. So now that you said that, it does make a lot of sense. And when you are that way, and when your plans that you've made is not going the way you want it to go, you can be depressed because Because you're seeing all your plans. You're like, why am I not accomplishing this? Why am I not getting that? And it puts an added pressure on you. Whereas there's a universe, there's God who decides every other thing. Sometimes those plans you've written down may not be even what God wants for you. So I think that's what I always tell her. She's going to watch this episode. She should.

Speaker 00: 17:28

Hey, vice girl.

Speaker 01: 17:30

Yeah, that's good. So did your idea also Did your idea of sources shift during your journey when you were depressed? Did it shift your idea of sources? Like, did you get to a point where you felt, I just need to be well first? I don't, you know, all these things that I'm even depressed about doesn't matter. This, I think, is what matters more. Did it get to that point or? To be honest, no.

Unknown: 18:01

Okay.

Speaker 01: 18:02

I'm going to be so honest with you. You're an overachiever. I won't lie. If I tell you that I sat in one place for long and no, I just couldn't. I had to keep it moving. I just had to keep it moving because again, you know, when you're someone that just has everything like written out, you know, on a sheet of paper in your heart or whatever. Yeah. Of course, life will be lifing. Things will happen and you will get into the states where you just want to hide into your shell and all that. But I only, I would do that for some time and then I would pick myself up. As I said, I would always speak to my phone. It's so practical in as much as it sounds so tiny because the tiniest things that we overlook are actually practical. Probably the most important. 100%. We're walking around with a gadget, a machine that is kind of like something that just heals, but we don't know. We keep running around looking for help and it's just right there with us. So I would just, I would go into that state, but at the time I would have to tell myself that you need to keep moving. You just need to keep moving. You need to pick yourself up. And how did I do this? I had people that I was looking up to. You know, I had, there's this woman, Ngozi Okonjo. Okonjo, yes, yes, yes, yes. You know, she studied economics like I did in school. I did economics as well in school. Look at you, girl. You know, and when I'm in my states of, you know, depression and all that stuff. I'll be like, girl, haven't you seen her? The way she is. If you behave this way, you will not get there. Oh, wow. So I always like, yeah, I know. I always like had to self motivate myself. I had to pick myself up. I had to look at people that, you know, this person is doing this thing. Like I need to, I can do it. Yes. But, you know, life will always come. You know, things will always happen where you just like shrugged in and all that. I can't do this anymore and all. But, I have to turn back and then look at her again. And then, oh, she's now the chairman of the World Trade. Okay. Okay. All right. Depression. Hold on. You were saying. Let me button up my shoes. You were saying what? My shoes. You said what? Okay. I'm coming. Like, you know. That's good. That's good. Well done. That's really good. I think that's a mindset that a lot of us need to have. And a lot of people need to have. Just that I can do it mindset. No matter what. No matter what. It doesn't mean that there won't be like challenges on the way, but the goal is that you can do it. So, yeah. Okay. Let's talk a little bit about your relocation to the UK. Yeah. A lot of people, a lot of Nigerians, as you know already, they, I think they, they like, they want to relocate to the UK. Sometimes they, I think a lot of people feel it's like a walk in the park.

Speaker 00: 21:16

Really? Yes. When they come. Oh, when they come. when they come here.

Speaker 01: 21:20

So what was your mindset? Okay, you moved to the UK with your five, you were five months pregnant, right?

Unknown: 21:28

Um,

Speaker 01: 21:28

I think so. I think about five, six months pregnant. And you had a five-year-old as well. Wow. Okay. And that was really incredible for you to just move your whole life like that. It was tough. Yes. Very similar to me too. Oh, wow. Yes. Tell me about it. Yeah, I moved to the UK while I was pregnant with my daughter. And I was already fully established in Nigeria. I had, because I was an ex-beauty queen.

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So I

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was very well known, did a lot of pet projects with a passenger at that time. It was good. We found some pictures some days ago and my kids were looking at it and then leaving that and then coming here to join my husband in a place where I didn't know anybody. Yeah, it's quite a long story. It It was really hard, but of course, I'm a very determined person. I love that. I love to hear that. Okay, so what was your mindset at the time and how did you keep going when things got tough? So my mindset was to start my life over again.

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I

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felt like moving to a new country was like a rebut for me. I had stayed in. in my home country Nigeria for I think for about 28 how old was I then when I moved I think 28 29 years and I just felt like being here now it's a second chance like okay you have another chance at life you've been reborn yes you're gonna learn new things learn how to do things that are different from the way you were doing things before in your country. You are going to meet different people and all that. So the mindset I had when I came in here was the mindset of being reborn, like a rebirth, like a second chance. Like I can start my life over again. So that was what I felt like. And it was... Because, of course, it's a new place. It's rebirth. You have to start learning things. It wasn't easy, especially having to navigate motherhood as well. As well. In a new country. Being pregnant with a child. Yeah. And my husband had to work. Because he's a medical doctor. So he had to work like two weeks off and then two weeks on. So the two weeks he would... not be home it's just me and my daughter and i'm pregnant and again i started working because of course i'm just i just have to do something that's yeah so it was so like everything was just like oh my god oh my god what am i doing yeah yeah yeah it was it was tough at the beginning okay yeah for you You made it through because now you're like, you know, you're successful. Well, I'm still, I'm still working through it. You're successful. And yes, I think that's a really beautiful story to share. So did you experience any cultural shock at all here when you came? As a migrant, especially, and as a mom trying to rebuild her life. So did you experience anything you were not expecting in terms of cultural shock here? Well, not really in a very intense way because my mom had traveled abroad. Okay. Okay. Okay. It got to a point where they were like, okay, it's time to pay. And my mom was like, why are we paying? You invited us. Welcome to London. My mom was like, no, no. We were sitting quietly in our house. You invited. Why are we going to pay? And before you know it, my dad was already putting his hands in his pocket and paying. My mom was like, so that was a huge shock for her. However, she kind of prepared me for that. You know, so when I came here, it wasn't too much. of a shock when i started like you know because she had already told me stories yes however it was how navigating motherhood that one was a shock for me because i realized that when i had my daughter i had my daughter in nigeria and i had my son here yeah okay so it was like two different experiences yes so no one to help on like when I had my daughter. It was like a community. Yes. You know when they say it takes a community. It takes a village. It literally takes a village. So with my daughter, I had help. My mom was there. Yeah. Like, In fact, even one aunt that is just walking by could just be like, oh, where are you going? Okay, okay, don't worry. I'll keep her. Go and do your stuff. But here, it's very different. Very, very different. I think that was also a shocker to me as well. But thankfully, I had people that would come from home to come and stay with me, like my mom, my mother-in-law, my sisters. It still felt a little bit like a community, but nothing like what it is over there yeah so you had a full-time banking job and you launched an online restaurant how is your restaurant doing it's well it's good okay so how did that idea even come you know to life how did you why did you just think of a restaurant i know that as a business do you know how to cook very well are you a foodie like you know i'm a foodie and i'm a foodie okay i love to eat make sure you tell us the name of your restaurant as well where it's located yeah i'm a foodie yeah i'm a foodie i love love to eat and my husband enjoys my food and anybody at all that i you know cook for is always like oh my days you know but the truth is i never wanted because everyone would always say you know open a business have a restaurant and all that especially my mom anytime she would eat my food she'll be like see my daughter see okay let me let me look for money i'll go out she don't want to open let me open for you you get but i never wanted to do it because i just felt like cooking was more therapeutic for me so when i was even going through my whole state and all that back then i would cook just to like release all the tension because it felt like i was making something brand new so cooking was very therapeutic for me so i didn't see it as creative yeah exactly so i didn't see it as something i wanted to make money from to be honest yeah so but it came up as a need So what happened was I was staying in Birmingham at some point and then I had to go join my husband, um, at North Yorkshire, Scarborough. Okay. So when I got there, it's, it's kind of like, um, not as diverse as Birmingham is. So there were a few Nigerians and all that. And I, and I just felt like there was a need for us to have African dishes for us to be able to eat like, you know, like a go-to place to, you get what I mean? Yeah. So I decided to say, okay, fine. Because of my really demanding nine to five job being a banker, I was like, okay, I can't have a store. I would do it online, you know, like, okay. So when I come back from work, I'll just make the food. And, you know, so it just started really small, like, okay, for the community where, you just to serve a need yes just to serve a need I saw that it was needed and and that's what one thing about business you know people would always say passion when you ask somebody why are you going into this business and the person's like oh I'm so passionate about it okay let's see how that passion takes you to like how many years from now yeah for me one of the um the determining factors to start a business is a need you must be able to identify if it is that your service that you're trying to to give is needed because you could be so passionate about something and people don't want it and when you're giving it out there and people don't want it would just it would just make you sad and that whole passion you have would be You know, just go down the drain. Yeah. So you really need to ask yourself the first thing. Is there a need? If there's no need, don't even bother to be honest that's a good one yeah the business woman myself yeah i definitely agree with you because yes your passion will take you but it can only take you so far because you're starting a business yeah uh because you want to be patronized so if you don't if you don't have what someone wants to patronize then you don't have a business you don't

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you don't

Speaker 01: 31:09

at all yeah okay so what advice would you give to women who have a dream but feel like their current life doesn't have room for it so just hold on to that dream don't throw it out if your current life right doesn't fit to your dream don't just fold it and throw it off hold on to it keep adding more dreams to that don't I know it's so counter yeah I know what I'm saying might be like okay what are you talking about but If your current life, let's say for instance, where you are at the moment, you just feel like, I'm dreaming to be like, let's say, let me say something like, okay, the first female president of Nigeria. And you have not even been able to attend school, but just keep dreaming. Keep adding to that dream. to that dream keep looking at female presidents yes you know like Ellie Johnson other female presidents keep looking at them and you will get there yeah um I read a book I think um It's by Buchi Amicheta, Second Chance. Oh, Second Chance. Yeah, it was talking about... I think second-class citizens, sorry. Okay, second-class citizens. Second-class citizens. So it was a story about how she navigated coming from Nigeria to the United Kingdom and... she had like kids I think how many kids does she have like five children and a very abusive non-supportive husband and yet she had a dream of becoming a top writer how would she do that when anytime she writes her novels once her husband sees the manuscripts he just flings them off he burns them he throws them but she kept writing she kept doing it and doing it over and over again she would write and write and write and she's one of like the top published author now of all time in Nigeria yeah so I would say that if your current situation doesn't align with your dream don't stop dreaming as long as you can dream it you can do it okay That's a good one. That's a good advice. I think basically consistency. Be consistent and keep dreaming. So your foundation serves children, women, and sickle cell warriors. What led you to create that charity?

Unknown: 33:42

Hmm.

Speaker 01: 33:42

I need to take a deep breath because I don't want to be emotional here. Oh, you can be. It's a safe space. If you need to take a, do you want to have a sip of water before you start? I think I need to. Yes, have a sip of water. Take a deep breath and yes, let us

Speaker 00: 34:02

know. Thank you.

Speaker 01: 34:03

Whatever you say, you're inspiring someone. Even the one person that you can speak to who listens to the sound of your voice and feel inspired and think, okay, I can do this too. Then you've done your job. Yeah. So the birth of my foundation started years, years ago. I think precisely 2013 when I lost a very close dear friend to me. We had... We kind of like met, not kind of, we were roommates in 100 level. And I never knew she had sickle cell. Because like, I remember the first day I met her, she was like the most beautiful person I had ever met. So beautiful. And I was telling my mom, I was like, mommy, this girl, she's so beautiful. My mom was like, see, pack your things and get into that hostel.

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And

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she was so nice to me. She was like, no, no, no, come. Because I didn't have a room. to stay in the school. I think the day I came in was on a Sunday and the student services, they weren't in. So she was like, oh, come with me. And then she took my things and she was so nice. I never knew she had sickle cell, right? So we just like had this bond. And then we had like, I think we kind of like had a business. Somebody came to sell clothes and said, okay, both of us should sell. So we divided them into two and then I was selling mine and then she was selling hers. If, for instance, mine is not enough, I will go to her room and then collect some clothes and then sell. So in 200 level... We're hustling right from day one. I love that. I don't think I've ever had a break. so I think at 200 level my clothes had finished up so I was like oh I need to go to her room to go get and then they were like oh didn't you hear she hasn't been in school and I was like what do you mean they said she had crisis and she has sickle cell I was like sickle cell she has sickle cell so that was when I knew and she didn't come to school throughout that session, throughout that level. And because of that, she had to, because she was in 200 levels. At the end of the day, when we came back to the same level, then we started being really close and I kind of like understood everything that she was going through at that time. And by my final year, our closeness was really strong. But because we had this NYC thing that we used to have in Nigeria, so we just kind of like separated, but we still kept in touch. And then all of a sudden, someone called me and said, oh, she passed.

Speaker 00: 36:37

Wow.

Speaker 01: 36:39

So that was like the turning point for me that kind of bettered my foundation because even once, while she was going through what she was going through as a sickle cell warrior, she always touched the lives of other sickle cell warriors as well. Because I remember back then in school, there was someone that had sickle cell and she would leave like the hostel and go give that person money to like, oh, you know, have this for food, have that for food. So I felt like, yeah, I felt like this is what she would want. She would want, you know, to be remembered as such. So I think that was where it came up from. And then the other spheres of my foundation also came from like my own journey. Personal journey. Yes, my own personal journey because I want to be able to empower women I want to be able to teach women skills as well. You know, not only about nine to five jobs, because I also have a lot of skills in my belt as well. So I want to be able to share that using my foundation to be able to impact into the lives of young women and even children. Okay. That's amazing. That's a, you know, I had similar experiences like you as well. Had the best friend at that time, my first ever, like real important friendship. Yeah. And yeah, she also passed from sickle cell. And they are usually one of the most amazing people in the world I don't even know why they are like that you just talking about your friend it just she's like that she's very giving she's very caring she's very she puts every other person's problem onto her shoulder and I don't know why they are like that if they I don't know but she was just one of the most yeah you know beautiful human being that I've ever known till today yeah when when when she passed when my friend passed and I was crying and the thing I will always say is I don't even know why I met you I shouldn't have even met you because you were just too nice like you just set the bar like why why did you have to you know that's what I always say because it was we got close at a very short time but it was so good and that was what impacted you know the birth of my foundation so that was how I influenced her and it's still today you're still running your foundation and still keeping her memory alive well done thank you well done um Okay, so what have been some of the most humbling, powerful moments since launching your foundation? Moments that have been really humbling for you? It's just literally seeing the smile on children's faces. You know, kids that have been in the orphanage. We recently... did something like the first of its kind that they've ever done in a dual state. That was May 27, Children's Day. So we brought together two orphanages together. You know, usually people would go to the orphanages and drop things. But I wanted to bring a lasting memory to the mind of the child or any child there. So I was like, I would bring one orphanage, another orphanage, bring them together. They'll have a whole party, have a ball, keep the memories. And that was what I wanted. And just seeing one child from one orphanage and another child from another orphanage being friends. That was so good to see. Forming friendships. Yeah, that was so good to see because usually they just only know themselves in our furniture. I'm always thinking in my mind, like, how do they cope? It can be very lonely. Yeah. And then they see other people once in a while when you come to drop off like stuff for them, Christmas and all those seasons. Yeah, it's not an easy place for a child to be, honestly. You're wearing a lot of hats as a mother a wife, a career woman, business woman, you know. How do you balance that? Do you believe in balancing? Because when people say there's nothing like balancing, you know, I have to do this and then that other side will suffer a bit, you know, whatever it is. But how do you, do you believe that, that there's no balancing and, you know, if your career is thriving, your family suffers. If your family is thriving, your career suffers. Yeah. How do you, you know, what is your take on that and how do you balance? Yeah. So if you've asked me this question, like last year, I would have been like, oh yeah, we can really balance things off. So you are for those people that said there is no balancing. You know, I don't even know if that's the word you get, but I wouldn't say I balance it well. I wouldn't come here to say, oh my God, I'm like the chairman, director of balancing things. But I would say again, in your space, keep wonderful people, keep supportive people. I cannot, it cannot be overemphasized. You know, first of all, like my mom, you know, she's been helping me, um, you know, raise my kids as well. Yeah. Whilst I do what I have to do, because again, I want to set an example for my daughter, for my children, for my son, for my, for my daughter. And I don't want a situation whereby, um, okay, what are they going to see? A mom that would, come say oh it's because of you guys I didn't do this so it's because of you people I was trying to take care of you that is why I did not do what I wanted to do you get what I mean my mom was like I don't want you doing that don't worry go do what you've got to do I trained you I took care of you don't worry I'll do that so that's why I say you cannot leave out having amazing people around you. And then again, having a partner. Yes. You know. That is so for me. I mean, personally, I can say that that is probably the most important. Yeah. Having a partner. Having a partner. Yeah. There is something I'm trying to do right now that I just, I was writing something out about one of the things a career woman must do when she's going on a first date is, and don't go there number one thing is don't go there eating fish and chips and just you know go there like you're going for an interview state who you are tell the man that see I'm an ambitious woman I'm this I'm that if he can't take the heat he should go that's true You should go. Because you have to set a precedent that first date. When there are no feelings, when you can't hide yourself and be like, oh, I don't want to say I'm an ambitious. I don't want to be too ambitious so that you will not run away. That day, just say who you are. If he's not happy with it, move. And let those that want to support you come true. So I think with my partner, with my husband, he knew right from time. that this girl is very ambitious. She's somebody that loves her business. She wants to grow in her career. From the first time we met, we're not talking about anything, the weather or the food or whatever. I was already asking him, what do you want to do? I'm doing this. What are you doing? We're already talking, you know? So he already knew that this person is, you know, Yeah. It's the same with my husband too. So if now I'm saying I want to do this, he already understands. Yes. He's not shocked. Where is this coming from? Yes. Do you get what I mean? Yeah. I understand that there are some people that they don't get it at the beginning. For instance, like you might not have been someone that's had like this entrepreneurial thing at the start and then maybe some years in marriage it started or whatever. You get what I mean? Yes, I get that. But Always show your true self, especially on your first date, so that your husband or your partner can be very supportive of your journey ahead. And they are aware as well. Because a lot of women, there are a lot of women who say, We want to wait. We're not going to work. We're not going to... We want to focus on the kids, which is absolutely fine. Because honestly, raising a child is not even... It's a whole job. Yes. So a lot of women say, we prefer to wait when our child is like 18 and... you know, goes to start his or her own life, then our life begins. Yeah. Which is amazing if that's what you want to do. But I think I personally have just never been somebody who can sit in a place. Yeah. I'm so restless in that way because I think I have been very, very independent from a very young age. And then when I won a beauty queen, in Nigeria and I started modeling. I was exposed to a lot of money. I was working with UNICEF. I was working with some of the biggest charities in and outside of the country. I was working with the president, the governors, ministers, senators. I had a lot of... I saw a lot of money. When you talk about millions, money. I was not going to get married and just sit down exactly after experiencing that life and my husband met me doing that I met my husband the moment I handed my crown to the next queen yeah and so he came and he saw that this woman already has like a life yeah not just a life yeah such a glamorous life because there was a time they published like a book of the some of the who and who people in Nigeria and I was on page three oh my they I told my husband oh they've added me to you know who he was like okay that's really good you know I'm sure in his mind then he's like ha I have to like I need to work even harder harder harder to be able to marry this woman you know and then when we got married a lot of people were telling him you're getting married to our queen you better look after her you better you know and he was like no problem so he always knew I could have gotten married and sat at home doing nothing and I would still be fine yeah I wouldn't even need to worry for anything and a lot of my friends used to say why are you even bothering oh I get that too why are you worrying yourself your husband is successful just sit at home you know and I always say I feel I'm just going to to gradually just die away because like what would I be without doing something with the brain I was given you know so I understand your journey and of course a lot of women have the should I say, the pleasure to do that. But a lot of women don't as well. Especially if you have a child with special needs and all that. What's something you wish people understood about your journey that are often overlooked? I would say it's most people, especially back home, they feel like I was very privileged.

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you know, but It's me that wore the shoe that knows where... Where it hurts. Yeah. So from outside, people would really like look at my family, especially like my nuclear family and be like, oh, she's got it all and everything. Are you from a popular family in Nigeria? So my mom, she was from... Oh, she's... I don't know how I'm going to put that because her dad was a very influential businessman. Okay. So... And he was really like really, really big. Okay. However... it didn't really transcend, especially when he passed away, misappropriation of the wealth, of the funds within the family. So it didn't really trickle down to other generations. You get what I mean? So that really impacted. However, People felt like, oh, you know, when they see me, they'll be like, oh, she's not there, you know. She's fine, yes. She's sorted. Yeah, but it wasn't that easy. You know, my mom, she's a really strong woman. So even while she was going through all that she was going through, I didn't even know. She made sure I was very comfortable, you know. She made sure that we looked comfortable, like we could... literally be the same level with other like you know children but it wasn't that easy at home so most people would feel like oh she got it all but yeah that wasn't my story at all so you won't be like if I ask you now do you have it all you know when I mean have it all you know children what you're currently doing can you say with every confidence that you have it all True grace of God. Yeah, that's a good answer. You know, that's good. I mean, because... I think having it all, everybody has a definition of that. And that's why I said, can you say, because some people having it all means they have a loaded bank account. They have, you know, but for some other people having it all means they have kids who love them. Exactly. And you know who they love. And for some other people, it just means they have a partner. But for some other people, it just, you know, it is a different interpretation for everyone. So your own interpretation. is that you do have it all. By the grace of God, I would say that because if I say I don't have it all, I feel like that would be it would be very hurtful to, again, the amazing people that are around me. Yeah. You get what I mean? Yes. Like, people that have, you know, stood by me through thick and thin, and I would just say, I don't have it all. What about them? Like, they've really poured into me, and I really appreciate them. So with them alone, you know, my husband, my mom, my children, you know, my manager, who has been so wonderful in terms of, like, my foundation, you know, everything. Yeah. Like, of course, when you have people like that around you. Like that, yeah. Seeing the smile of children, the sickle cell warriors that we have impacted as well. Yes. Of course. Of course, you have it all. I definitely resonate with that. And once you admit to that, then you, you know, I think it just opens more door because it's gratitude. Yeah, it is. Contentment. Contentment. You're grateful for whatever you have. Yeah. That's good. Well done. Okay, my next question is, if your younger self, if you were sitting with your younger self right now, what would you tell her? Faith, be consistent. That's what I'm going to say because there were some ventures that I did and I was like, okay, I don't think this is, let me move, no. And now I'm seeing like other people who have been like consistent and I tell myself like, hmm, if you had just stayed a little longer, where would you have been by now? So I would say, if I would tell my younger self, just be consistent, no matter what. You can take breaks. Breaks are allowed, but not too long. Pick yourself up. What's the one moment, good or bad, that you feel has changed your life forever? Like something you know you're going to take with you that has left a mark on you. that you will take with you for the rest of your life. That is such... I think I'm still in that journey, honestly speaking. So you've not had any life, anything that has scarred you in a good way or a bad way in life. That's good because there's not a lot of people that can say that. I have had, but the thing is that because I'm still... you're still a work in progress yes I'm still a work in progress you get so and I'm into so many things and I'm even getting into so many things now that is so scary okay you know it's it's really daunting for me at the moment so I feel like I have a lot to learn yeah and I would say like at I won't say I've even regretted anything because they have brought me up to where I am today. So I wouldn't say I have one major thing that has really like you get. Yeah. Because yeah, I've passed through, I've gone through all that stage. Yeah. And even during my whole depressive state as well, when I've gone through that, I've gotten to that point whereby I'm so grateful. Yeah. to that stage and it has brought me to this stage. So I wouldn't say there's one because I'm still a work in progress Ivy I'm sorry that was not the answer you were looking for but most people do always say oh this happened and you know I would never forget and I think for you you'll probably be your friend that passed your friend that had sickle cell because I think that has left a mark on you that you even had to go start an organization for her so that is because she's probably so you know there are people There are people that come into your life and go because that's how life is meant to be. Yeah. But from your friend and the impact she's had on you, I think she's going to be a memory you'll keep forever. 100% though. Yeah. Yeah. I would have even used her name as it, but I didn't want like the whole family and saying, oh, this, that, blah, blah, blah. But that was how impactful she was. So it's, it's, it's, well, we can take that. That's it. I've helped you out a little bit there. Thank you. Okay. So that's the end of our interview. Asked our audience to send us some questions. And we've had some of the most... Oh my days. Like some of the most craziest questions that... I have ever had. So it was a lot of questions. I've just narrowed down a few for us to answer today. I think you will help me a little bit.

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I hope so.

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Some are really fascinating and we'll answer them. As I speak, we are still getting emails of questions. So the first one, which I wanted to really talk about was this. She said, I was invited on a holiday by my boyfriend. Yeah. So I assumed he was covering the trip. But when we got there, he asked me to split the bills. Okay. Hotels, meals, everything. Like, what sort of it? I was in shock. Was I wrong to expect him to pay since he invited me? Okay. Faith, what do you think? Like, what is wrong with the men of these days? Are there no men anymore? Princess men. What? But it depends though, okay? We could look at it analytically. You think it depends? So, it depends on the ethnicity. You get what I mean? Okay, we don't do that where we come from. Exactly. We don't do that. No, we don't do that. No, no. Unless maybe the ones that were born here. So as I said, it depends on where they are from. You know, if you're from like Africa, especially Nigeria where I come from, the man on his own, he knows that he is the one that is going to foot the bill. And if he doesn't have the money, there's no discussion of any... Yeah. Do you get what I mean? There's no discussion. No, no discussion about... Okay. Especially when... Who invited who? So he invited her. And now you say... So why didn't he tell her that, okay, I'm inviting you, but I'll need you to foot some of the bills. At least, you know, let her know. Exactly. So, lady, I hope you're not still with this man because, you know, personally, if my daughter comes and tells me, oh, mommy won't... No, no, no. I'm telling her, dump him. Yeah. Immediately. Like, because if you're inviting someone for a trip you want to have a good time with her as well exactly and then you want her to pay for her meal even something as simple as a meal especially during the dating phase like you you are trying to woo her you're trying to get her she did say my boyfriend yeah so they are dating yeah so you're not even married whereby you know when you're married sometimes you could be like oh okay let's let me just take charge of this one and then you get what I mean but during that dating phase you know you're trying to you're overworking that's the man now he's trying to get in a good graces he's trying to get in a good graces yeah so you should be so if now you're already saying she should what's what's gonna happen when when everybody's just like okay yeah I wish I can see her to ask if she paid actually or she just packed her things and left what would you what would you what would you want her to what would you recommend what would though if it was me I'll pack my things and leave and you have to pay to send me back to where I came from what zodiac sign are you I'm Libra oh I see No nonsense? No nonsense. We are soft, but to a certain extent. No nonsense. No, no. I mean, does inviting someone on a holiday, if we want to look at this on a bigger picture, does it automatically mean that you have to pay for it? So if it's, for instance, it's a girl's trip, you get what I mean? Yes. Or it's a guy's trip, you guys know that. You know, right? Nobody's having any. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But when it's something that, you know, you are the man, especially again, coming from Nigeria, I'm speaking on my own ethnicity. Ethnicity, yes. You get what I mean? Yes. And because the way we see courtship from where we come from, it's you're trying to... You know, it's like a businessman trying to convince his investors. You're trying to woo her. You're trying to woo her. I can look after you when you come into my home. I can take care of you. Yes. So how will you be trying to tell someone you can take care of them by telling them to split the bills? To split the bills for a meal, to split the bills for a hotel. So is she supposed to go and sleep outside? And what if she doesn't have the money?

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just led her on to the tree. Red flag, red flag. Red flags everywhere, red flags everywhere. Oh my God, men are princesses now. Oh my God. Okay. So this is also about splitting the bill. Oh my gosh. The next question. And it just, I don't know what's, I really don't know what's happening. I really feel sorry for our children and their children because the world is, this, I mean, okay. So she said, I split all the bills with my partner, even though he earns more than I do. I also do most of the cooking, the cleaning, ETC. Sometimes I wonder, is this really a fair partnership or am I just carrying too much load? So in that case, like for instance, it depends on, I don't know, She said he's earning more than her. He's earning more than her, but she's still expected to split. So is she splitting equally? Because that's another thing. I don't know. She just said, I split bills. I split all the bills. So every single bill with my partner, even though he earns more than I do. I also... do most of the cooking and cleaning. Of course, they never split that. Sometimes I wonder, yes, is this really a fair partnership? I mean, I would say it's a fair partnership, unless as I'm splitting the bills with you, you are also splitting the chores with me. Exactly. And then even in the bill parts, right, it could be that If, for instance, he's earning more, he would bring in 40% or 80% of it. Then it could be fair because he's earning more. So it just depends on how they are able to... Do you get what I mean? Because, again, what I was saying about that dating part, because they are boyfriend and girlfriend. This one is married. This is a relationship. So I understand that. As I said before, when you're not in a relationship, you can now start talking about things like that. However... your income is higher than the other person if you have decided. Because in some homes, the man will still stick to him footing everything. Yes, that is what we experience. Austerity measures, the high cost of living crisis. You still have to be a man. It's not easy. There are some things that you should not be meant to pay for as a woman. I can say, okay, I'm going to do the shopping. my money, you know, do the little things here and there, shop for food for the house, the children, if they want to buy like dresses or whatever, you know, but there are some things, I don't know exactly what she shares with her husband, but you can tell that this is a woman who is not happy, you know, for her to even send such a question, she's probably somebody who is not happy about the situation. If she is, you know, contributing the same amount that he is also contributing as someone that is earning more I feel like they should have a discussion about it because it doesn't make sense if he's earning because even in taxation even in the economy as an economist you wouldn't have to pay the same amount like let's say you're earning like 30k pounds yeah or let's say you are earning 200,000 Naira and then somebody is earning one million and then you want the same one million Naira person to still be paying or the 200,000 person will still be paying the same tax as the 1 million Naira. Even HMRC understands that. Exactly. You know what I mean? You know, I was like, it's crazy. I think, okay, what is he doing with the remaining money? I would want to know. You know what? Because I had like a past relationship like this, whereby the guy, he would always say that austerity measures, he's doing this. So because of that, he doesn't have money to like take me out or whatever. But when he did break up right I was seeing him with like he had money he would do the same thing exactly that was the thing so this man would do what he's not doing now in this marriage with someone else he would even work 2, 3, 4 jobs and do it he would even take a loan He would put his house as security for that lady. That is what I always say. A man would do for you what he feels you deserve and what he feels you've tolerated. It's the ones that they don't have any plans for you. They always give excuses why they cannot, why they can't. So once he's just giving, just get a big bag, you know, this black, just fold him. I didn't say that. And also don't tolerate it. Probably she's tolerated it for too long. It has become a pattern. He's used to it. So now that, you know, you want to now talk about it, he's like, but you've been doing it since. So that is why I said the first date, things like this, talk about them. Stop talking about how spicy the chicken is and how it's not. When you go there, say, I don't like guys that will be telling, just say, tell him now. If he's that kind of a guy, you would know. You would know. You are not already like neck deep into it. Yeah. You will know. Yeah. And I told my husband from day one. Yeah. I didn't even need to tell him. I was like, I said, see, I, you, can you see my life before you came in? You know, I don't lack anything. So if you're coming in, you're just going to add to it, not remove from it. So you have to make sure that you're able to look after me, not just look after me or look after me the way that I deserve, the way even higher than I can do for myself. Yeah. You know, so he knew from day one, I am not going to be doing 50-50. You pay 50% of the mortgage. I pay 50%. I'm my tenant in your house. I would rather just stay in my father's house then. And, you know, and even at that, my father will still pay the house rent. Actually, actually. Yeah. Actually. So these, when I see things like this, I'm always appalled. I'm like, Is this really happening? Did they make this up? Because honestly, I cannot relate to it. It happens, though. I've heard a lot of things like this. Okay, let's move to the next one. I've been with my partner for years. We live together. We share the bills. We save together. But we are not engaged. Okay. Did you hear that? So she's playing the role of a wife, but she's not a wife. Right? She said, we live together. We share the bills. We save together. Mistake. Oh, they save together. Our biggest mistake. But we are not engaged. I'm starting to feel like I've given wifey energy without a ring. Yes? Is it wrong to want financial support? emotional commitment to match? It's not wrong at all. You know, it's not. Honestly speaking, but yeah. it's how long have they been dating? I don't know. She hasn't missed. Um, she has, she said for years. Yeah. So you've been with a partner for years. You're saving with the partner, which is like even so wrong. Like have your own account. You're living in the same. You're, you're literally playing the role of a wife when you're not a wife. As a banker, I wouldn't even advise that. Like, you know, um, you can save on your own, but we've seen so many cases, you know, of things that happen when you do save together. I've seen a couple that, you know, they saved together it wasn't like all this what they call it joint account I'm not against it well like maybe I might be against it but do you do what's what makes you happy what makes you sleep at night but you know they had this whole joint and the funny thing is my colleagues were talking about this whole thing and all of a sudden they came and said the woman just said she doesn't want to go ahead with the with the marriage again and they took everything literally and only left like I think was it 20 pounds or so in the account and just took everything that man must have hurt her real bad I don't know if he hurt her or she hurt him i really don't know but it was so devastating do you get what i mean like so it's one of those things you know i don't know what's wrong with you just saving saving on your own your own life what's wrong with you living in your own house too sometimes you know you want to like maybe split the bills and all that so that is why a conversation is very important in any relationship and all that stuff like what do you want do you want a tenant okay fine i'm your tenant yes yes exactly do you want like a sleeping partner like you They call it friends with benefits, whatever, which I don't advise, especially for women, because we have the tendency of always like catching feelings. And men, if they say they're going to be friends with benefits, they will keep that their word. I've never seen any man that changed his mind. Maybe a few, maybe 1%. I'm still here to see. But you see men, they will always keep to their words, but women will always change their mind. So you have to really like... you know, explain that relationship. So let's have a conversation with the guy. Like, what are we doing? Where they are going? Because it's very obvious that the expectations are very different. Yes. She probably has an expectation or to be a wife. That's why she has mentioned wife here. And maybe he has another expectation. That's the thing, misalignment. So they need to really talk. So if you send this question, please have a sit down with your boyfriend or your partner and have a talk. And I think from that talk, you will know where you actually stand. And then from there, you can then decide how to move forward. Do we have more questions? Yes, I think we have. We have two more. OK, I was raised to believe. a man should be the provider. I've picked out a lot of the providers because I'm like, as I was reading them, I just couldn't, I was like, maybe I'm too old. I don't know. Maybe this is what is trending now. So she said, I was raised to believe a man should be the provider. My partner wants 50-50 always. It's happening everywhere. Sometimes, I know, sometimes I feel torn. I'm eye-holding onto a man old school expectations or is it just not the right match? It's not old school expectation. A man is a man. Whether old school, new school, whatever school. A man is a man. A man doesn't get pregnant, carry the children, give birth, look after. They are just roles that are meant for women that a man cannot fulfill. There's nothing. My husband always says, no matter how much I love my children, there are some things that I just cannot do for them. That you were born Do you understand? Because we are women to do for them, you know, and that is true. And he will say, there are some things that you can never do as a man that I was born to do because I am a man. Our thinking, our way of reasoning, everything is totally, it's not the same. We were not built the same way. Women were built in a certain way. Men were built, you know, in a certain way and which is true. So, In situations like this, I really don't, I don't even know what to say. You know, I don't know what to say. You're not old school for sure. I can say that. Maybe, you know, if you're looking for something and you don't have it, maybe keep looking. yes it's it's obvious that yeah it's obvious that she's looking for something yeah um in a marriage or in a partner and she doesn't have it well she's not married to him so that's so what what would you say if they are married do you think like she should still keep looking if the marriage is if they are married i would say they should have a conversation i would say they keep looking because you know these are things that you talk about before you get married that's what I was saying, yeah. Marriage is not a joke. Honestly speaking. So that's why I'm so... like you know into like that first date especially or let's say the first three months because people are always saying talking stage and then when you ask them what are you guys talking about it's whether the sun came up that day rain fell have you eaten have you what what is that that's the foundational stage whereby feelings have not really really like setting you might just be having infatuation oh this guy is so fine and all that but you need to be asking those salient questions or you need to be signposting that okay oh I'm this kind of girl that likes things like this. Yeah. Don't hide yourself. If you're a girl that likes a guy to take you out to, you know, to eat and to like. Yeah. Don't go and be saying that I'm going to support you. Yeah. I'm going to be. I'm a very chill person. I'm a very chill person. I don't really care. I don't really care. You know, make your expectations known. Amen. Once you say that, they'll just hit the nail. Yes, they'll just hit the nail. And that is how you form the trajectory of the relationship. Meanwhile, deep in your heart. You are not that kind of a person. Yeah. So always stay true from the beginning. Okay. I always offer to pay even when he says. These are the things. Why are you off? That's what I'm saying. You have set that precedent. What is wrong with some children? Yes. Oh my God. Exactly. Okay, let's wrap up. I've always offered to pay even when he says he's got it. I don't want to seem like I'm taking advantage of him. But deep down, I wish I could just relax and be taken care of without feeling the guilt. So basically, you're doing this to yourself. You know, I'm just going to be very, very... you know, straight up. If that is what she wants to be taking care of herself. And why are you offering to pay the bill when a man has taken you out, when he hasn't asked you to, you know, and who told you that you're putting pressure on him? Did he voice that to you? So you need to sit down and have it, have this talk with him. He's probably not even thinking like that. He's probably thinking that that's your love language.

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Ha ha ha!

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Oh

Speaker 01: 1:15:05

my God. Okay.

Speaker 00: 1:15:08

It

Speaker 01: 1:15:08

was so, so, so lovely having you here in her space. And thank you everyone for sitting and watching this episode. I hope you totally enjoyed it. And of course, follow us on our social media, give us a like, and we'll see you in our next episode. see ya

Speaker 00: 1:15:30

bye

Speaker 01: 1:15:31

bye