Milk & Honeys
Milk & Honeys" is the perfect blend of raw industry insights and unfiltered realness. Like the ingredients that sweeten and smooth out a cup of tea, hosts Kayla Becker (TV host of 10 years) and Vanessa Curry (model and actress of 10 years) bring their own flavors to the conversation— Together, they spill the tea on what it really takes to live and thrive in LA’s entertainment scene.
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Milk & Honeys
Episode 19: Catfish, Gaga, Demons, and Steve w/ Kayla Becker and Vanessa Curry
From shocking true crime to animated musical obsessions, this episode takes you through the stories that have us talking.
We unpack the deeply disturbing Netflix documentary "Unknown Number: The High School Catfish," where a high school student named Lauren discovers her own mother was behind two years of vicious harassment via anonymous text messages. The psychological manipulation is almost unfathomable – a mother secretly tormenting her daughter while pretending to support her through the ordeal. What drives someone to such betrayal? We explore the disturbing details and aftermath of this true story that's had us reeling.
On a lighter note, we're completely obsessed with Netflix's "K-pop Demon Hunters" – an animated musical fantasy that's taking the world by storm. The catchy songs (especially "Golden") have been living rent-free in our heads, and we're not alone! This animated film has spawned a musical phenomenon with songs topping Spotify charts. We discuss why K-pop groups are revolutionizing the music industry and bringing back the group dynamic we've been missing.
Lady Gaga makes two appearances in our conversation – first with highlights from Kayla's concert experience in Miami, followed by a discussion about Gaga's controversial last-minute show cancellation due to vocal strain. We debate the balance between artist health and fan disappointment when these situations arise.
Rounding out the episode, we celebrate the return of a childhood icon – Steve Burns from Blue's Clues – who's launching a podcast called "Alive" aimed at the millennials who grew up watching him. Now he's helping us navigate adult problems like anxiety, money issues, and digital overload. It's the perfect full-circle moment for our generation!
What questions do you have for us? Send them our way as we prepare to celebrate our milestone 20th episode next week! We'll be answering fan questions and setting our podcast resolutions for the future.
Hi, welcome everyone. Welcome back to Milk and Honeys. This is episode 19. If you're just now joining the party, if you live on our rock, we're your hosts. I'm Kayla Becker and I'm Vanessa Curry.
Speaker 2:Yeah, how are you doing cheetah gal? I'm so good. And I'm Vanessa Curry. How are you doing Cheetah Gal? I'm so good.
Speaker 1:I know I have a little set on today. I like it. It's big, just feeling a little.
Speaker 2:Yeah, you got the new curtain, bangs we got a new little cut, kind of we're training her. So you know, the girls out there know I mean I guess guys do too when you get a new cut A, a new part, you got to like train it. So if you see, you know her going forward, you didn't.
Speaker 1:That's why I wear a hat.
Speaker 2:You don't have to worry about that. Well, how?
Speaker 1:was your weekend. I know you took a last minute trip to Las Vegas.
Speaker 2:I did. I went there just for a couple of days. Unfortunately, you know, we found out that Dre's nightclub is closing and that's where my boyfriend works. So it was a sad, sad realization that that's going to be happening. So I went over there just to hang out with him for the weekend. That's sweet, of you. He's going to be fine. He's going to have so many opportunities. He's amazing at what he does and everything that he does he puts his whole heart into it, so he's going to be just fine.
Speaker 1:But you know it's the end of an era.
Speaker 2:It's always bad when a chapter closes, especially when it's as unexpected as that was. Yeah, I know what it kind of took everybody by surprise. Yeah, absolutely so. You know, dray's, what a great era, what a freaking amazing club. They've done so many great things and, yeah, the last club opening will be october 31. So they're going out with a bang On Halloween, so Get out there guys, you got two more months to go there and party it up.
Speaker 1:See, I've never been, so I'm like should we go to Vegas before they close? Should we like go? Yes, is that what we should do?
Speaker 2:I mean maybe you're coming to Halloween. Is that where you're going to go for Halloween? Maybe again this month?
Speaker 1:So we'll have to plan. Maybe that'd be the moment.
Speaker 2:I love that. But yeah, how are you doing? Good, I was in Miami.
Speaker 1:I was there for way too many days, but I went with a bunch of friends to go see Lady Gaga. It was absolutely incredible. I've always been a big fan of Lady Gaga and she just got more and more impressive over the years. And Miami out of all places. So it was a good time. Way too hot for my liking. I thought Los Angeles was hot, but I forgot about the little thing that happens in the South called humidity, oh yeah, which made it impossible to even walk outside and lay by the pool.
Speaker 2:Yep, which is crazy because I feel like LA. We've been talking about how the humidity is picking up here.
Speaker 1:Picking up, but not even like. It's not even on the same, it's not even close, there's no humidity and, as far as I'm concerned, after being in Miami all week, but we were in like two of the hottest places you were in Miami Humidity.
Speaker 2:I was in Vegas. Dry.
Speaker 1:And now we're back here. We're both sweating from walking from the car. And it's still hot. Else that's been really hot. Uh, if you follow any documentaries on netflix, we've been talking about this. We really wanted to talk about it on the show today. Uh, netflix's unknown number, the high school catfish.
Speaker 2:You guys, if you haven't watched this, so netflix dropped a no number. It's the high school catfish. It follows lauren licari, a high schooler who gets harassed nonstop with creepy texts and messages. But the stalker wasn't some stranger, it was. Oh sorry, mark, we're about to spoil it for you. Oh, we are. We just told our person in there not to get spoiler alerts. But here we are.
Speaker 1:It's okay, you said it's not really his jam, it's okay. It's fine, we're going to spoil it for jam.
Speaker 2:Okay, it's fine, we're just calling for you. Spoiler alert it was her own mom it was her mom, kendra licari, um. She pled guilty, did 19 months in prison and now she's out on parole. So if y'all watch this.
Speaker 1:it's, it's, it's insane. So, like early on in the documentary, you're seeing this poor girl, lauren, you know, young, sweet, has this boyfriend, oliver owen or something. I think Owen, they were in love, first loves, and then, like one day, she starts getting these terrible text messages I mean the most vile, like I don't know what teenagers know how to talk like this. Like saying, like you know, you're the ugliest thing I've ever seen. I mean the text got so bad. I mean they were like I've never seen anything like this, and so they're trying to figure out who was sending these vile texts, like owen loves me more than he loves you, to the point where they're telling her she should kill herself.
Speaker 2:like literally saying you should kill yourself and also, like we said, explain, like explaining to her what her and owen have done, or this person, like they've, they've done sexual things together, sexual finger in my pussy, like, yeah, some of the most disgusting things.
Speaker 1:And you're like who talks like this? And then you know there were a couple moments in the documentary where we thought they figured out who it was, like a jealous girl on her basketball team and I'm sitting there like, oh, that makes sense, they should have figured that out in the first place. No, it wasn't her. Nope, like, oh yeah, like a cousin of her boyfriend, like a jealous yes, yeah, that makes sense. No, it wasn't that. And then, one day, the cop. Two years, by the way, almost two years of these texts coming in.
Speaker 2:And you know what. It was because of Owen's mom who was so distraught by like the year and a half in Was there not funny anything. Yeah, she was the one that kind of would not let it go, because not only was I'm sorry, what was her name? Lauren, not only Lauren was getting these texts, but Owen was as well.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so they both were. And the crazy thing is is that this teenage couple, their parents, were friends. Yeah, they're all friends. Like it was a very small. It reminded me of how I grew up, like K through 12th grade was all in one building.
Speaker 2:Small town, everyone knew everybody.
Speaker 1:Very small town, so everyone was very involved in this story.
Speaker 2:Everyone seemed like they wanted to help, especially Lauren's mother, which again is still so baffling when you figure out what the whole and it's crazy because in the documentary she's getting interviewed the entire time as well, before we know which is why you don't know. That's so smart.
Speaker 1:Because that's why they threw you off. And what world would a guilty mother of such a heinous crime actually agree to go on the Netflix documentary and talk about it? Because she needs to be in a psych ward? And we figured out she has always people who've known her her whole life. She's always wanted to be the center of attention. So obviously this is like you know. But even there was a point in a documentary when she was trying to justify her behavior. She went to prison for 19 months. She's out on parole right now, but she did this and she was like you know what some people like drink and drive and then they don't get caught. Or some people commit crimes and they don't get caught, like I just basically got caught. So I'm like Is what you're saying that you're not remorseful for what you did to your daughter to kill herself, making her like suicidal, making her boyfriend suicidal?
Speaker 2:What is wrong with you? Taught that all the phone records of the different phones go back to her Because they obviously the parents, would get rid of their phones, get new phones and then this person, the mom, would just get their number again. Because she knows that, Because we were wondering, like, how is this?
Speaker 1:person not blocking this number, because she never. She had an endless like flux of like numbers to access and also used those sites online where you could like, just type from the internet yes, a different like lock number or whatever.
Speaker 2:Lied to her husband told her husband that she was working, but in reality she did not have a job for those two years. She lost two jobs.
Speaker 1:And then she would leave the house every day to say she was going to work Somehow, stay gone and then come home like everything was fine In the meantime. She never had a job.
Speaker 2:She basically lost her jobs to be a full time stalker, harasser to her own daughter yeah, her own blood Her like it's crazy and I just I feel for the dad because you could tell that he is just hustling. Obviously they were financially not well off.
Speaker 2:They were struggling. So obviously you could just tell the dad has been doing everything in his power to to get by and thinking that like she's helping also financially but in reality she wasn't. She wasn't working at all, she was going off and the whole time. I mean these texts. I think Lauren was saying that she would get like 8 to 10 texts a day.
Speaker 1:I think she had more than that, maybe more than that, but in the beginning it started every day.
Speaker 2:she was getting like at least 8 to 10 text messages every day Do you believe the mom?
Speaker 1:she said she didn't start it. No. Right, she definitely started, it started someone else started, but I like I'm not gonna say it was. I'm like you're caught now.
Speaker 2:Bitch like this is a you definitely, and you're not gonna say who it was. You're not gonna say who it was, because it was you. It was you she tried.
Speaker 1:She tried this whole thing. She was like I didn't start it, I just decided like jump on it and a doctor, a psychiatrist, called it um cyber munchausen. So if you don't know much how much housing is is when you try to get your kids sick, although they're not sick, in order to guess, rely on you more. Yeah, um, so kind of the story of um gypsy rose yep, so there's a cyber version of that. So he's like maybe she was sending all these messages to her daughter so that her daughter would be so distraught and need her mom. Right, I don't. I think that's giving her too much credit and too much grace. I don't think it had anything to do with wanting a relationship with her daughter. I think she had some sick twisted like trying to live through her daughter because of her glory days.
Speaker 1:It didn't go in her favor I think she was jealous of her daughter I think she was jealous of her daughter. I think the simplest way to put it she was jealous of her daughter which is crazy.
Speaker 2:To be jealous of your daughter, it's just it's. It's, it's insane. I mean even when, like I said, even when the cop went to go tell her that she had been caught and they bring Lauren in to tell her what's going on. Obviously you could tell Lauren is in shock.
Speaker 2:She has no idea what to say, how to act, any of these things. She's like wait, what you could see her processing in her head. And then her mom has the audacity to stand up and give her a hug and rub her head and kiss her head and and saying almost like, oh, I'm so sorry, like that, this happened to you. And I'm like wait, no, no, you happened to her for two years, uh, I, I, I.
Speaker 1:Her relationship ended like I'm sure, like a lot of parts of her social life and school life suffered. I mean, how would you feel, especially at that age? I didn't. I wouldn't know how to process that kind of harassment at that age.
Speaker 2:No, and and it's sad, I mean I it sucks, because towards the end of the documentary, this poor girl still says that she wants a relationship with her mother, that she misses her. And I I understand missing her. I understand missing missing the idea, idea, yeah, of what? Having a mother for sure, but I just wanted to, like, hold her and be like girl. No, yeah, like your dad loves you. He has taken care of you, he took you this person, he has raised you into such a beautiful young lady, lauren's, like 18, now studying criminology, which is interesting.
Speaker 1:It's interesting that she decided to take that route when her career and school, her studies considering her mother is a huge criminal, but yeah, it is interesting. So she's been out in parole. They're not allowed to see each other right now. That's kind of the condition of the parole. I just wonder how you know mind brainwash. You have to be as the kid, so I know. For me personally, I have a different relationship with my mothers, of course, but like if I had found out that my mom had done that to me, I don't think I would think twice to like make sure she's dead to me. I would never need to speak to her again, see her again. I would never speak a positive word about her name again.
Speaker 1:No much less want to hug her and say that I miss her.
Speaker 2:Right, and so don't get me wrong, sure, I would miss the idea of what I thought I had, which that's really twisted and hard to comprehend, especially for I mean, she was she's's 18 now, but she wasn't back then. You know, I mean, she was like what, 16, 7 or no younger than that.
Speaker 1:Yeah, um, she was in high school, like a sophomore in high school, right, yeah, so I, I just, I like would you be able to show up to court and say to everyone that you still want your mom to be a part of your life?
Speaker 2:no, yeah, absolutely she did just like, but also that comes with probably her brainwashing, and who? Knows how much more I'm sure in person. She would give her so much love and like oh you look so cute. Oh you, oh, yes, like you're going. Oh, I love you and owen together and blah, blah, blah. But then she's over here behind closed doors saying that she's anorexic, or she?
Speaker 1:yeah, she's anorexic no one wants to see. Yeah, she would wear leggings to school and her mom would say stuff like why would you wear that?
Speaker 2:no, one would want to see that pancake ass it's just. It's honestly, it's mind-boggling. My sister texted me and was like have you seen this? Because we, we both watch the weirdest documentaries and then we send it to each other if one of us hasn't seen it. And I told her yes, I was like we are talking about this on milk and honeys, because it is outrageous. And it's been all over my social media. Everyone's been watching it and just appalled at what they're seeing, and I I mean bravo to Netflix though, because they really threw us for a loop.
Speaker 1:I, when the mom I, I sat up and was like and then my first thought even when they said it was the mom, I still was like, oh, someone must have like hacked into her. Yes, Like there's no way it was her. And then it was Like, could have been the dad, could have been. Like I was thinking of every case scenario that it could have been.
Speaker 2:And when the police officer told the dad that they, you know, before he brought him inside the house, he told him outside. You know it was your wife. We have found all that. The call logs have gone back to your wife's phone and you just see him downloading like wait, what? Just with Lauren too, like they both you could tell both her and her dad were just having all these downloads coming and so confused he obviously made her get out of the house. He's like almost like, don't touch my daughter, get out, because she was hugging her at the time?
Speaker 1:Did you see the picture, the screenshot that people were posting, that shot of her hugging her and then the table behind them?
Speaker 2:No.
Speaker 1:It looks like a Shrine. No, the amount of alcohol on the table. It looked like a full like shelf at a bar, like the amount of booze is just sitting on this table back there.
Speaker 2:So everyone's kind of like how much of a issue.
Speaker 1:This mom sat around drinking all day harassing her daughter like the the issues um.
Speaker 1:I think there's just a lot cooler hobbies to do than tell your kid to go kill themselves, yeah, and then let them come home and cry to you about it. And then come for them Work on their basketball team as a scorekeeper and which is where she got all the information about, like the amount of points that were scored Would make fun of her daughter because her daughter would have a bad game, and then she'd be the one texting like you suck at you, know, ew.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Bless her heart.
Speaker 2:one texting like you suck at you know I'm yeah, it makes me so. I just I wanted to, um, like go through my the screen of my television and just strangle her. I was just like I, I was, I'm just. I'm still kind of in shock of us even talking about it right now that the fact that it was her mother like imagine, like telling your daughter she's grounded for something meanwhile.
Speaker 2:You're like sending her these messages secretly in the next room and and it's just sad, like I, you know, and I hope the best for Lauren, I and if they are able to have a relationship one day, um, because she was open and she said that she does want to try and have a relationship with her mom one day, which that is so tough, uh, and it's just so twisted. It's like mentally there's so many mentally twisted webs up in there that her mom created for her that I hope she can, you know, unwind it all.
Speaker 2:She's going to need a lot of therapy.
Speaker 1:Please get a therapy, baby girl. Yeah, we need it, we all need it, but especially being in a situation like that and her dad seems like a good enough man to where you can help her, like, get the help that she needs he does, he does, oh man. Well, you know, we all have issues with our parents sometimes. So next time I'm mad at my mom for not responding the same way or the way that I want her to respond. I'm going to remember at least she's not running a fake account to ruin my life.
Speaker 2:Right, so thanks mom.
Speaker 1:Right, right, so thanks mom right. No thanks, mom for not sending me nasty text messages and telling me to go kill myself like.
Speaker 2:Thank you so much, the bare minimum, I think right, I think, I think, so, I think that is the bare minimum, just just be. I don't know, I don't know. It's like I feel like I'm more protected of my two cats than she is with her daughter.
Speaker 1:It's just it's insane, like it's it's crazy, but well, again, that's on netflix, called unknown number, the high school catfish. Go watch it. So you know what we're talking about. We did spoil it, but you'll still be shocked by many things that were in it that we didn't cover. Yeah, so, um, all right, well, speaking uh of moms, we're gonna talk about mother monster, mother lady gaga.
Speaker 1:Yes, mommy I'm still on a high from that concert. I've been to a few concerts in my time and that probably was like the best thing I've ever experienced, and it was an experience.
Speaker 2:Is this your?
Speaker 1:first time going to see her, first time ever seeing Gaga, oh my gosh.
Speaker 2:Okay, and you went recently. I went. I saw her at Coachella, okay, and I saw her when she was in LA.
Speaker 1:Okay, on this tour, what was your?
Speaker 2:favorite dance. I mean, here's the thing For her concert she had more like maybe outfit changes and a little more intricate props and things like that, but there was nothing like seeing her at Coachella, really Just like being outside with people at a festival and like there's so much space and then the big, big screen tvs and it's just like I don't know. And when I was with my friend mariah and her husband uh, bless him, he is like this tall, very manly black man and he was like crying tears watching gaga. And maybe that's why I think coachella was better, because we look up and he's like she's just a true artist man like he just like was appreciative so much of like her artistry and I was like oh my god, I love you so much.
Speaker 2:Letter.
Speaker 1:It's true, she's brilliant she is and we like kind of grew up on her. I think I graduated from high school and that's kind of when she got like poker face, let's have some fun this week. I I think I graduated from high school and that's kind of when she got like poker face or poker face and is that, let's have some fun. This is stick. I want to take a stick.
Speaker 2:Wait, no, we're mixing poker face. That's what. That's one, and then it's just love game. Let's play.
Speaker 1:Anyway, those were 20, whatever 15 years ago.
Speaker 2:I actually saw her. If anyone remembers Cinespace, this must have been like 2000. Well, yeah, when we graduated, maybe it's like 2010 after that. So I was already living in LA, and I think two of my best friends from back home were living here too, and we were at this club called Cinespace in Hollywood, on Hollywood Boulevard. It was this tiny little place. We walk in and this girl's performing Um, and she was performing poker face and um. She had male dancers and it was like I'm telling you, there's maybe a hundred people in this place, like not a lot of people, and she is performing full out and I remember us being like, wow, this girl's a fricking star. We didn't even know her name at the time, cause she was not lady Gaga yet. Like she wasn't, like she didn't have a household name. You know Um, and I remember her getting off the stage and, if we find it, I think I still have it yeah, um, because there's a picture of all of us taking a selfie with her, obviously with our digital cameras at the time.
Speaker 2:We didn't have cameras on our phones yet, um so with our digital camera and, yeah, and she still looks so fierce and, till this day, my friends are like oh my God, isn't it crazy that we saw Lady Gaga before she was Lady Gaga before she was mother?
Speaker 1:Pre-meet dress Gaga.
Speaker 1:Yes, and I think that's when everyone was like, who is this crazy bitch? And then we just seen her like, but so smart, year after year, decade after decade, after just absolutely kill it. And this, yeah, I was there with my best friend, um. He flew in from boston and we kind of bought it over gaga, like during the pandemic. That's when he got me like more into her and then we were sitting up there. One of the last songs of her set was hair, which is like just a beautiful, like anyone who feel has ever felt like they're, you know, different or whatever, where we have like tears streaming down our faces and I don't, I don't cry.
Speaker 1:I think I'm just seeing him so emotional that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 2:She does teach even grown men.
Speaker 1:Like I would have never thought leonard would cry, you know, and I was, just, like I remember, looking up and he's like I have to give it to her, like she is an artist man like it's just so true, but she didn't make a lot of other people cry for a different reason, right, yes?
Speaker 2:So she canceled the concert on.
Speaker 1:Sunday. It was her last show in Miami. See, I was there. I went to the Sunday show, okay. So it's going to be her final night in Miami and one of my friends from Orlando came down. A bunch of my friends were going Completely dressed up.
Speaker 1:I'm going to show you all right now, as I'm talking. You're going to see the footage, don't worry, it will be here. Okay, and literally my friend she's like decked out head to toe, wig, pink, high boots, the doors are opening and she's on her phone and she gets the news that Gaga has canceled and they're getting no information as to why. They were told that there was like a vocal strain. She did post this on social media. I'm gonna put it right here too.
Speaker 1:It's about, like, the state of her voice and she didn't want to risk ruining her voice for further. I know, which I completely understand, but then also just understanding the amount of people who, like traveled all this way, like spent all this money this has been something they've probably been looking forward to all year long to just be told as they're walking in the door that the show is no longer happening and they're not getting like a real explanation, and people are, like understandably, really pissed and I think it's a conversation to have about like this is the first time a celebrity has done something like this. You know, what kind of grace do they deserve? What kind of answers the fans?
Speaker 2:deserve. You know, at the end of the day, we have to remember that these artists are people, yeah, and we not that we know Gaga, but, like, we know her work, ethic and the way that she works, and I just don't think that she would cancel for no reason. She loves her fans. She's always been very vocal about that and so I mean I hope she's okay.
Speaker 2:I mean, obviously it's devastating, like you said, like if, if we would have traveled, if you would have traveled there, you would have been so mad you know, but it's, and it's hard because people are paying a lot of money to get there, if people who are not from Miami going and traveling and spending money and all these things. But at the end of the day, we are human and things do happen. Everyone has a limit and if she, if she had doctors telling her, if you try and do this, you could really damage your vocal cords. That is long-term, that is her livelihood, that's her, her instrument. You know, like you can't you, you can doctor's orders.
Speaker 1:You know we're saying well, you should have, you know, canceled it way earlier in the day. Well, I think the I think her not until last minute shows how much she was trying to make it work until the very last minute and then realized you just couldn't do it. Yeah, do you think fans maybe sometimes you're like too entitled or do you think it's? You know?
Speaker 2:I think sometimes fans think they have like yeah entitlement to have access to you whenever they want access to you. Yeah, for sure. I think that's with every like person in the entertainment industry who has a fan base. They, you know, think that they know them personally. And I, it's just like, like mariska hargitay from law and order su she says it all the time people come up to her.
Speaker 2:They think they know her, they think that like she's a real detective and she does do a lot of uh, charity work for you know, uh, like the special victims units actually outside of the show, which is so cool. But she, she's somebody that always says, every time people see her, they just think that she's Olivia Benson, you know, and it's like no, she's not. She's actually Mariska Hargitay. She's a mom and a wife and she lives a pretty normal life outside of her filming, and so I think it is like people do feel like they have the right to say and make these decisions and for these people who are on a higher caliber, and I don't, I don't think that's fair.
Speaker 1:I think it's fair either, but of course, like I think you're rightfully so to be upset. You deserve an explanation. Explanation get your refund or the option to like come to another show.
Speaker 1:I think there's some things that should be in place, like on an airline if something your flight gets canceled, they put you up in a hotel I think there's like things like that, that maybe these I mean it's not up to the artist but the labels, whatever whoever's putting these on, to maybe look into ways to like maybe give them 50 off a merch or something, something complete, yeah because it does suck when you think about people like I saw one guy say he drove his friend and his mom's his friend's like disabled mom, they drove like 10 hours to get there and they didn't really have extra accommodations or something. Yeah, but like I understand being upset for that. Yeah, absolutely.
Speaker 2:It's, I get it, but hopefully everything is. Hopefully, nothing is serious. Hopefully she gets the rest that she needs, because I don't think her tour is finished, right, she's still going, she's still going it seems like.
Speaker 1:It seems like Gaga's fans truly left her speechless. Yes, they did, ok, bad joke. Bad joke. We love you, gaga. We hope you get better soon, ok. Moving on Speaking of larger get better soon, okay. Moving on Speaking of larger than life performances.
Speaker 2:Oh my goodness, Netflix just dropped the biggest animated movie of the year.
Speaker 1:Okay.
Speaker 2:This is my new obsession. Actually, like our friend Cole, has been showing everyone begging, but then when he begs and like we do watch watch it.
Speaker 1:We're all so obsessed with it and now we're all telling everybody else to watch it too.
Speaker 2:Uh, this new obsession is for k-pop demon hunters. If you haven't seen it, it's basically a girl group meets demon slaying musical fantasy, and I'm not exaggerating when I say it's everywhere, everywhere, everywhere.
Speaker 1:It's so good I can't get the song. Is it Golden?
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Wait, what's the lyrics?
Speaker 2:I thought we should do a.
Speaker 1:We sound just like her, okay, pop.
Speaker 2:Demon Hunters. Sorry for everyone's ears.
Speaker 1:It's good we're going up, up, up it's, we're glowing, gonna be gonna be golden, yeah, yeah. Anyway, I will say when I finally watched it, because it took me a while, because I'm not a huge like musical fan.
Speaker 2:I'm not a huge. Like animated, I'm not a huge anime, but animated.
Speaker 1:Animated, yeah, but I, I was like, as soon as at first I think it was when they were in their plane in the plane, like when they were gonna go down into their first concert my eyes were just locked in. The music just makes you want to levitate. The story was so good. You love the bomb between these girls and, of course, the, the demon k-pop guys.
Speaker 2:Yep, it was, it was, it was just beautiful, it's so fun and it got so big. I mean, these, these, this k-pop group, is not a real k-pop group, right? This is, they were casted as these characters and now they were. I don't know if they still are, but they've been trending number one on Spotify, their music. So it's like, okay, you guys need to become a group, a K-pop group. Clearly, I already see it they're probably going to be going on tour. They just yeah.
Speaker 1:Anyway, yeah, when you watch it you're like's no business that this song, the music should be this good it's on this damn cartoon. It's so, it's so good um so the lead, the lead, the girl who sings, that she wasn't cast to be a singer, she was the writer. That's amazing, and I think she was just like giving them a sample of what it sounded like and they're like you need to do this. Yeah, this is not her point, like this is not meant for her, that's crazy.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's crazy. I mean it got so big. They just a few weeks ago opened it up a sing along in movie theaters all over the country for two days. My niece went and my sister said it was amazing, like she loved it, and everyone's singing along. Yeah, I think they put even subtitles.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so people can sing along. Well, now it's on Netflix. They have the karaoke. Okay, cute which we'll do one night, but like to see it in a theater.
Speaker 2:I know I wish we could have gone, yeah.
Speaker 1:Hopefully it'll come back. Well, it's so funny. These groups have really taken off over the last several years.
Speaker 2:We didn't really hear much of that. At least we didn't grow up, no, and now I feel like a.
Speaker 1:I just think some of the most amazing voices and talent have come out of, you know, the whole k-pop scene. And now, the more I watch k-pop demon hunters my tiktok just keeps feeding me like all of these like korean bands.
Speaker 2:I'm like damn yep it's crazy actually, if I am correct, every time I fact check myself. I think of my sister.
Speaker 1:She's my fact checker. Vanessa's been saying that you will make sure that whatever she says is correct or she will be corrected.
Speaker 2:And if I'm not correct, I get a text from her saying, um, that was not true. I'm like OK, whatever, nicole, I'm just kidding. I'm like okay, whatever, nicole, I'm just kidding. But I think my friend Olivia Wong did the movement for the lead character. So she's like she's the dancer character to get like.
Speaker 2:Yeah to get the movement for the animation, which is so cool and we're I'm so proud of her. She's an amazing person, so she, she deserves all her flowers, and when I found that out, it just made me an even bigger fan of the of the movie.
Speaker 1:Do you think like K-pop is kind of like quickly becoming like one of the most popular genres right now?
Speaker 2:I think it is actually, and I think I think some of the reason is because there's a lot of people in K-pop groups, right, like some K-pop groups have like 10 to 12 singers, and so I think it's. It is something different where usually when we see a group of singers, it's either like three or five, yeah, but now we're seeing even more in a whole group and and also they're bringing groups back, like I think for a long time we lost the boy groups and the girl groups and k-pop kind of brought it all back.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I'm like yeah. And then, you know, with any time, like we were talking about with spice girls last week, with groups that you're fans of, everyone kind of resonates with one and like, absolutely, I'm posh, I I'm scary, you know, if you're Harry Styles or you know we all choose them. Yeah, I think that's the same with, like, the K-pop bands For sure. So I came across these guys. They say they're not K-pop, they say they're Korean indie.
Speaker 2:Oh, okay, but his voice.
Speaker 1:He goes by Woosung with a group called. I don't think I've ever heard a better voice in my entire life. Are you ready? Yeah, let's see, this is him on the top. Oh my gosh, his voice just like takes me to like a.
Speaker 2:And isn't it crazy that some people could have the biggest accents, but then when they sing, that's what's funny.
Speaker 1:I'm like how are you?
Speaker 2:Your English is so good. Yeah, you don't really hear his accent at all, which is crazy, and they talk about that.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, it's so interesting and I think they also, like whoever's managing them probably also teaches like do you want to be mainstream and go over to the US? Because a lot of them do want to come over here and get careers, but then they can be double. This guy is like we won't do a whole episode on this, kayla is clearly obsessed. I'm like, am I attracted?
Speaker 2:Kayla is going to be dating a K-pop star. I never thought that a Korean man could be in my future.
Speaker 1:That's why my name starts with a K K-pop. My kidding, I cannot.
Speaker 2:I cannot. Okay, wait you okay. So, speaking of if you had to join a K-pop group, for Demon Hunters or Demon Slaying Pop Group, what would your stage name be?
Speaker 1:Slayla.
Speaker 2:Wow Slay.
Speaker 1:Does that work? I love that what would Slayla.
Speaker 2:I mean, I think mine would be Queen V Slay or something like that Queen V Slay. Queen V Slay.
Speaker 1:Not.
Speaker 2:Queen V Slay, but like Queen.
Speaker 1:V Slay, and you have a little hyphen in your name.
Speaker 2:Yes, not from chat GBT, but like it's just not the chat gbt, but like not from just it's just not the chat gbt, dash might also be korean for being honest, but for the end, uh, yes, I I would love to go to a k-pop show.
Speaker 1:We should. I said the energy is like. Every time you see them online, their energy is like bar none. I think a lot of our us bands and musicians can takea note from them absolutely so yeah, go watch k-pop demon hunter. Even it's funny like watching the tiktoks, for like girlfriends trying to force their boyfriends to watch it and the boyfriends next thing you know are like doing all the dance moves.
Speaker 2:Yes, well, just like it's. Just like some reality tv show like housewives or something where guys are like I don't want to watch this. And then you find out they're like why did she say that to her? What's going on with her? What's Heather doing? Who's Heather Shut up? Should have been here from season one to season nine. Oh my gosh.
Speaker 1:While I was in Miami, I got to go to a really special screening for a movie I've been anticipating. I got to go to a really special screening for a movie I've been anticipating. This isn't necessarily a movie Vanessa would be into because it kind of falls under the category of like horror thriller, which isn't your favorite, right, but but it just depends.
Speaker 2:I feel like I'm like I feel like my horror that I'm not going to watch is like it's very muddy.
Speaker 1:You're not going to watch the Conjuring.
Speaker 2:You're not going to watch, like the no demonic but but I did, like what was the movie that we went to the premiere like speak no evil? Yes, that was good. Like I, I enjoyed speak no evil, which I thought was pretty scary. I mean, it was it's go watch the original one, no, so I feel like that's even worse. Oh my gosh, the worst ending of any horror film.
Speaker 1:The most disturbing ending of any horror film I think I've ever seen.
Speaker 2:Because that one was pretty disturbing. The ending as well, the ending of the original one.
Speaker 1:Oh my gosh, I like have nightmares. Okay, yeah, they tamed it. I'm not going to watch that.
Speaker 2:But I do like, I do love like a thriller, and it could be a little gory, like I don't mind that. But what do you think about?
Speaker 1:it King's uh adapter, it's the long walk, which is he wrote a book called the long walk many years ago, um. So basically in the book, it was a hundred young men who took up this challenge to walk at four miles per hour, um, as long as they possibly could. If you fell below four miles per hour, you get like three, three strikes and then you get your head blown off. So basically it's walk or die is the whole premise, and so, um, the movie did it a little bit differently. It was 50 men and three miles per hour, so we got to slow it down okay you probably saw some of the uh screenings.
Speaker 1:They were having people come to theaters to watch it and they had treadmills and if at any point you fell under three miles per hour, you got kicked out of the movie and you couldn't finish watching it. Okay, that's cool. I did not do that one.
Speaker 2:Wait, that's so cool, I would want to do that. Because then you're also like not just thinking about what's happening in the film, You're also like keep steady pace, steady pace, steady pace.
Speaker 1:So I got to sit my ass down the entire time. I thought it was really good. It was really good. I mean, there's a lot of like dark social commentary in it, just about the youth and endurance and competition and what it means like your personal values. It was a beautiful story, so well done, all pretty much brand new actors, which was really nice to see them kind of come out on their own. It was just a tragic, tragic film. I cried.
Speaker 2:What is the goal in the film, though? Walking that long?
Speaker 1:Oh. So if you make it to the end, you are the winner. You get more riches than you could ever, than you could ever want in your life, which a lot of these kids wanted to do it to help their families. And then you also got one wish that they had to grant. So there was a lot at stake and so, yeah, you got really invested in these characters as they were walking along. I mean, we're talking hundreds of miles and you know not being able like at one point, like you see this, I'm not spoiling it but like at one point you know you have to go to the bathroom at some point, and so you see some of these guys getting really sick and having to like, or it doesn't matter, if you walk and you step on a pebble and break your ankle in a half, you still fall below those three miles per hour. You're getting your head blown off. So it was the entire time. You're just on the edge of your seat and constant like angst, so like what's gonna happen?
Speaker 1:and yeah, anytime, one of these kids got their head blown off like you felt it, it was just you walked out just heavy oh my god, I think it was a great a great movie and I think the way they did the ending um which I'm not gonna say here um makes the movie worth it if you want to sit through and you want to watch it.
Speaker 2:Right right. I do think you should watch it, Okay so okay, never mind, it's not like jump scare, scary or anything. Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's just more. You have to be in the right mental state to watch that.
Speaker 1:Yes, like it's yeah, like, go on knowing it's going beautiful, okay, okay. So it comes out officially on september the 12th, which is this, which will be this weekend by the time this episode comes out.
Speaker 2:So, oh, perfect, yeah, this weekend go see it. The long walk well, maybe I'll have to go watch it. Yes, you know, I don't know.
Speaker 1:Oh, we'll see I'll go back and watch it with you, yeah, okay, perfect, perfect, um okay. Well, that film is dark, but we're not gonna end on a heavy note. We also want to talk about something that was really exciting and wholesome, which kind of goes hand in hand with last week's episode about being millennials. Uh-huh, nostalgia. Steve burns, who you all remember, the beloved original host of blues clues is officially back with a podcast aimed at the adults who grew up with this show, and I love it, blues, blues, blues, blues.
Speaker 2:And then it's brr, brr, brr.
Speaker 1:You know it's called Alive, which is a great appropriate name because we're all still alive. We're all still here. Thank goodness he is too.
Speaker 2:Yes, I know, because there were a lot of hoaxes and thank goodness he wasn't a pedophile, I think people wanted him to be a pedophile.
Speaker 1:They were like oh, this guy's definitely going to.
Speaker 2:Definitely and like thank goodness he never did. You know what you go, Steve Burns, we love you. Stevie. Yeah, we support you, yes.
Speaker 1:But it's called Alive. It launches this fall and it is described as Blue's Clues for Grownups.
Speaker 2:And, like the podcast, focuses on emotional well-being, curiosity and connection, covering real adult issues like aging, money anxiety, which we all, I think, are going through at some level, digital overload, which we are all going on that journey, and, more obviously, it's basically like he's.
Speaker 1:It's almost like the kids that we were sitting in front of our tube TVs back in the 90s or 2000s watching Steve. It's almost like he's just jumping back in the tube to the same. Kids just grown up. So he's literally just doing the same thing, but for the viewers he had back then. I can't wait.
Speaker 2:Hopefully we can get him on our podcast, that'd be really good and then we go on his.
Speaker 1:I think we should definitely be on Blue's Clues. Oh my gosh, that would be such a childhood moment unlocked for me if we got to go on Steve Burns' Blue's Clues Alive podcast. Where does he live? Does he live in LA? Probably not, if he lives in.
Speaker 2:LA. We're going to manifest that we have so much manifesting to do.
Speaker 1:Location, google Map house, let's dox him Kidding. We would never do that. He lives in New York. Okay, well, he's 51. Wow.
Speaker 2:I guess that makes sense, because he was our age, when we were kids. Yeah, yeah, so that makes sense. And he just always looked very young. He did Like very, very young, oh, which?
Speaker 1:which is great. I would love to have him as our therapist, or maybe we just have to do a Honeys in the Wild.
Speaker 2:Takes New York.
Speaker 1:That'd be great. I think we might get a little distracted and probably forget what we were there for. Yeah, but as long as we film it, distractions okay. As long as we film everything.
Speaker 2:We can cut it up. You know what I mean Everything's content.
Speaker 1:But yeah, that's yeah, pretty much everything we're going to talk about this week in preparation for what we're going to talk about next week, which is really exciting yes guess what. Next week is guess what next week is our 20th episode. How in the hell did we get to 20 episodes?
Speaker 2:I don't know, but I am just, I am so proud.
Speaker 1:I know. Me too, me too. This all again all started from the one day sitting on your counter, bar stools, being like should we, should we maybe talk about the things we need to talk about on camera for other people to relate to and learn from? And had no idea where it would go, didn't know if we'd make it past. I mean, we all have friends, everyone has podcasts. Now it's like you know, there's podcast studios every corner for this reason, but I feel, like a lot of people that I know who started a podcast around the same time we did, have already stopped, because it's one of those things that doesn't happen overnight. It takes a lot of work and just a lot of patience, like 20 episodes. Of course we're not where we want to be yet, but we know we're going to, we're going to get there and it's because of all of you who keep coming back every week and it gives us a lot of you know.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's our own little personal therapy too. For sure, For sure. I'm just yeah, I be a part of it, and so it's just really cool to know that we're creating something special. I'm like I want to tear up right now I can't look at her. But yeah, we're just. We're so grateful for everyone's support and yeah, next week we're going to for everyone's support and yeah, next week we're going to celebrate.
Speaker 1:So here's what we need from you we need you to send us questions, because tomorrow on the episode we're going to read 20 fan questions from you guys on the show. So you will make the show if you send in questions. Yes, we're also going to talk about some resolutions. We're going to treat it like New Year's, but what's going to be our you know, our 40th episode resolution. We're going to have a little fun little celebration and we want you all to be a part of it. So again, we appreciate you guys and a happy almost anniversary. I know and don't forget.
Speaker 2:You know, kayla and I are going to be the sweetest little ingredients that will go into your tea.
Speaker 1:every single episode, yes.
Speaker 2:They just keep evolving, keep evolving.
Speaker 1:All right, guys, that's it for this week and we'll see you for episode 20. See ya, bye.
