Episode 38: Taylor Xo: Play With Art, Perform With Fire w/ Kayla Becker and Vanessa Curry

This week, we’re joined in studio by our friend Taylor Xo — Billboard-charting recording artist and the creator of The XO Playhouse, the inclusive, high-energy creative revue redefining nightlife in West Hollywood.

Taylor opens up about his upbringing, his love for music, and the realities of building a career in the industry — from the moments that almost broke him to the wins that kept him going. We talk about navigating the music business as a queer artist, creating art without asking for permission, and why building spaces rooted in joy, expression, and community matters more than ever.

We also dive into the birth of The XO Playhouse — from its massively successful debut at Bar Lubitsch to its upcoming March 4 show at Beaches Tropicana — plus what it takes to build something from scratch, lead a creative community, and turn nightlife into something that actually feels safe, electric, and alive.

This episode is about resilience, queer joy, chosen family, and what happens when you stop waiting for the door to open and build the room yourself.

Transcript

SPEAKER_02 0:10

All right. Welcome back, everyone. Hello, Milk and Honeys. We are your hosts.

SPEAKER_03 0:17

I'm Kayla Becker. I'm Vanessa Curry. I just realized we did not say our name.

Meet Taylor XO

SPEAKER_02 0:22

We sometimes don't say that this if you don't know our names by now, this is a you problem. And isn't the word to Tyra Banks? This is your problem, not mine. Okay. Welcome back. We have a friend in the studio today, which automatically means this episode is going to be louder, gayer, and more chaotic. He is a Billboard charting recording artist and the creator of an all-inclusive review featuring exo angels dancers with a mission to play with art and perform with fire. Returns next month, March 4th, for its second show. Please say hello to Taylor XO. Welcome.

SPEAKER_01 0:53

Thank you guys so much for having me.

SPEAKER_02 0:55

I'm so excited you're here.

SPEAKER_01 0:56

I'm here. You're here.

Exo Playhouse Debut: Chaos And Magic

SPEAKER_03 0:57

We're all here. We're made here. We are here. It's a rainy day in LA, but we are all here and ready to shine. Yes. But we can't, we can't even, let's just start here first and foremost. I was able to be a part of your very first Exoplause. So good. It was so amazing, so chaotic. But like, gosh, how do you feel about doing your first one? Because I know my feels, but I can only imagine you put this whole thing on basically by yourself. That was a lot, a lot of work to do something like that.

SPEAKER_01 1:32

Yeah. That was a choice.

SPEAKER_02 1:35

So you're coming back for a number two, so it must have been a good one.

SPEAKER_00 1:37

And doing it all again by myself.

unknown 1:39

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:39

Yes.

SPEAKER_00 1:41

Um, that was kind of like um a fever dream in a way. Cause like I, in a way, remember everything and then remember nothing at the same time.

SPEAKER_03 1:50

Right.

SPEAKER_00 1:51

Like leading up to it, I think I was just thinking about all of the minor details. And like it was, it wasn't a smaller performance space. Yeah. But I needed it to be like packed to prove that like my idea made sense. Right.

SPEAKER_02 2:06

Packed it was. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 2:08

I didn't realize. Um, I think the other night you told me that like people were like being turned away.

SPEAKER_02 2:12

Oh, well, I think they were the because people couldn't fit into that room anymore. Yeah. You felt fire.

unknown 2:19

Yes.

SPEAKER_00 2:20

I'm like, how electric did that feel in the room? I did it was so, I mean, I think you can attest to it too. It just like felt so, I don't know, it made me perform like harder. Yeah. And then like hosting, hosting it was so much fun. Yeah. And having it like be like mostly all of my friends that were performing in that first show because they believed in it. Right.

SPEAKER_01 2:43

When I was telling some other artists, they were like, I think I'm busy like that day.

SPEAKER_00 2:48

But you know, it was it was so much, it was so much fun. It was so rewarding and made me feel like, okay, I'm not um, I'm not crazy.

SPEAKER_03 2:57

No, no, of course. Absolutely not. I mean, look, I I danced, I blacked out, and I I guess that means it was successful. So you're a little sore the next day. Yes, I'm a little sore the next day. I was sore a month before we started, okay? Because I I hadn't danced like on a stage like that in a while. That's the first time I've ever seen her dance live. I was mesmerized. I was like, Really? That's my friend. Thank you.

SPEAKER_01 3:19

That was your first time seeing her dance? Yeah. That's so cool.

SPEAKER_03 3:23

The first time I think any of my friends saw me dance.

SPEAKER_02 3:25

Yeah, it's so cool to see your friends who are so good at something. Because obviously, I know she's a pro model and a pro dancer and all these amazing things. But watching it, I was like, oh bitch. Thank you.

SPEAKER_00 3:34

Yeah, and her solo, come on. Right? She came in and we did like uh a rehearsal, like what the day before? Yes. And I hadn't seen her. Oh, yes. I hadn't seen her solo yet. She comes in, she does her solo, and I'm like Well, did you come up with it yourself?

SPEAKER_02 3:49

Like the moves yours? Yes, that was yours. Yes.

SPEAKER_01 3:51

He he gave us saw on the chair.

SPEAKER_02 3:53

I said, Oh no, so on the reverb. I'm like, dang! Girl, I love a prop.

SPEAKER_03 4:00

Okay.

SPEAKER_01 4:02

One request for like three weeks. She was like, I need a folding chair.

SPEAKER_03 4:05

Yeah. Literally.

SPEAKER_01 4:06

I will find it.

SPEAKER_03 4:07

I was like, if we have to get it from Amazon and then like return it, you know what I mean? She loves to do that.

SPEAKER_01 4:12

Nobody say that too loud. Nobody does that.

Small Venue, Big Demand

SPEAKER_02 4:15

Nobody does that. They don't sponsor us. Um, I think what's really cool, like, even going, it was a smaller venue. I know you're we're gonna talk more about the new venue here in a little bit. Um, but it felt so like exclusive and underground, which I love that feeling. It felt like like when I go to Vegas and try to find those off the beaten path shows that aren't like on the on the marquee. And that was just what was really cool about it. Is that kind of what your goal was?

SPEAKER_00 4:34

That's kind of there were two reasons why I picked that venue. One was because that was the first venue that I performed at as an independent artist. Um I love that.

SPEAKER_02 4:42

That's so sweet.

SPEAKER_00 4:43

Yeah, like 13 years ago.

SPEAKER_03 4:45

Wow.

SPEAKER_00 4:46

I love that.

SPEAKER_02 4:48

We have we have footage of this.

SPEAKER_03 4:55

We'll find it, okay?

SPEAKER_01 4:56

I mean, y'all find y'all find stuff in the world.

Why A Bigger Stage Now

SPEAKER_03 4:58

Yeah, we found we found plenty of things already. But how how does it feel sitting here knowing that the first one was such a hit and that the second one is going to be in a bigger space?

SPEAKER_00 5:09

Um, the first one being a hit is so is very rewarding. Very like, I feel like I accomplished something. And this one being in a bigger space has um um just made me very um with a lot of anxiety.

SPEAKER_02 5:24

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 5:24

Just because that now it's in a place where now it's more of the vision that I want. Like the sound, the sound system, the LED screen behind the DJ booth. Like, I have CO2 that I can play with. I have fun. I have like, yeah, I have more things. Toys. Yes, I love and I love toys. We love toys.

SPEAKER_02 5:47

You have uh do you have a bigger team helping you on the production side this time? No, I was like, let me answer that for him. No, he doesn't.

SPEAKER_01 5:55

I don't.

SPEAKER_02 5:56

Okay, well, eventually we'll get there.

SPEAKER_00 5:58

We're getting there. I mean, from the flyers to booking the artists to being like the liaison between the venue and the artists, to hearing what the venue needs me to accomplish, like it it really is Yeah, I love it.

Doing It Solo: No Team Yet

SPEAKER_02 6:10

It's you. Well, I want to know more about you. Uh, before the charts, before the shows, before the chaos, who was Taylor XO growing up?

SPEAKER_00 6:19

Um, he was this like really weird only child.

SPEAKER_02 6:22

Okay.

Origin Story: From Only Child To Performer

SPEAKER_00 6:22

Yeah. I like I was very socially awkward. I very much like played in my own like head as a kid. So I think that's like where like the performing started. And then like I started growing up with like Janet Jackson being played in my house like every day by my mom. So I would always just be like, you know, trying to give you some rhythm nation at like six years old. And then I think that's what like developed my performing and stuff. So then I started doing like the like the talent shows in school because I didn't have that many friends. And then in high school, um, when I eventually came out, then I really didn't have any friends. So then I think that's when I like focused more on performing, and then at 18, I was like, all right, let's go, like full steam ahead. Yeah. And I just was always music was always something that just felt right to me in a world of like I had a lot of personal things going on. Like my mom was like dying of cancer at the same time that I was going through high school.

SPEAKER_03 7:23

Which, like, I'm so sorry to hear that.

SPEAKER_00 7:25

Uh so I mean it's okay. It's just like, damn. Who's I'm trying to figure out me at the same time. Like, I'm taking care of, I'm taking care of her, so it's it was a lot, but like music at that time was like what kept me sane. Same. Yeah. Exactly.

SPEAKER_02 7:40

Where did you grow up?

SPEAKER_00 7:41

Bay area, a little outside of San Francisco.

SPEAKER_02 7:43

You do a little bait bay bass for baby. I just had my first experience at the bay in the bay, so she's a little addicting. Let me tell you. I I I made an impact on the bay.

SPEAKER_03 7:53

She definitely started saying Hella by day two that she was there.

SPEAKER_00 7:56

That was bad.

SPEAKER_03 7:57

Yes, it was very she always says it, so then I think I'll just around it.

SPEAKER_00 8:00

So I think there was like a rehearsal you and I said it a lot. Yeah, a lot.

SPEAKER_02 8:03

And Brie was like, I was like, what do you guys what is that?

SPEAKER_03 8:07

And we're like, oh, you don't know.

SPEAKER_02 8:09

You don't know. Sorry. Um, so you would say that you know, music was like an escape, an expression, survival, a mix of all three. Yeah. You really always knew who you were when it came to music.

Loss, Music, And Sanity

SPEAKER_00 8:21

A hundred, a hundred percent. I actually think when I first heard okay. Um when I first heard Britney's blackout album, that was literally when I was like, that, this, yeah, I need to do this, this like urban dance, just dark album. This is like the music I thought that I wanted to like make. And that was that was it for me. That was like as soon as I turned 18, we're going to LA, we're gonna Yeah, do it.

SPEAKER_03 8:52

Okay, well, on that, piggybacking off of what Kayla just asked you. Did you always feel like a performer? Yes, from day one. Yeah. I mean, obviously doing your like out of the like you said, the talent, the talent shows, I'm sure.

SPEAKER_00 9:04

It was oddly where I felt most confident and I felt most like myself, whereas in like the rest of parts of my life, like also not understanding my own sexuality and who I am, like I was on stage. It was another it was odd because it was like it felt like another persona, but it felt like that persona was me.

SPEAKER_03 9:27

Authentic.

SPEAKER_00 9:28

Yeah, exactly. Like there's Taylor, regular Taylor, and then there's Taylor XO, who I think like I always in a way like wanted to be, but then realized like as I kept getting older and older, and now in my late 30s, I'm like, oh, that yeah, no, that dude is me.

SPEAKER_02 9:46

Yes, talk about XO. Where does that come from?

SPEAKER_00 9:48

So the XO, my my my government last name starts with an O. I'm not revealing the last name.

SPEAKER_03 9:56

Out of respect, we won't say it. Even though it's a really cold, that is fine.

SPEAKER_00 10:02

Always got made fun of.

SPEAKER_03 10:03

Okay, I understand.

Finding The Sound And The Name

SPEAKER_00 10:04

Um, but then then the X came through because at the time when I had like, I was on a label for a little bit and they couldn't understand my artistry, and I had a little bit of an attitude problem um where I would say no to a lot of things that I didn't want to do that I didn't feel authentic to me. And as we know, labels don't really like that. So I was, I found a way out of my contract. I became an independent artist, and the thing that they always said was, you need to stick to one thing. You can't be in multiple genres, you can't do singing, you can't do rapping, you can't do both. You need to pick a genre, pick whether you're gonna rap or sing, and then we're gonna go from that. I said, I have too much ADHD, and I have too many other like you know, personalities rolling around in this head to do that. And so when I was singing and rapping, I just didn't feel like my Taylor, plus the my government last name, was an authentic artist name. And I was like, well, wait a second. It was around this time where like um influencer collabs were starting a lot. So like Kim Kardashian X, like YSL. Right, you know what I mean? Right. So then I was like, well, now wait a second. Everyone always said that like it sounded like I was collabing with myself. So that's when I was like, Taylor XO. That's cute. I love that.

SPEAKER_03 11:19

That makes so much sense. I thought it was like hugs and kisses.

SPEAKER_00 11:21

Yeah, everyone always does, and they're always when they see like the X.

SPEAKER_02 11:24

XO gossip girl.

SPEAKER_00 11:25

Yeah, exactly. They see the tattoo in my hand too. They're like, Are you a big weekend fan?

SPEAKER_03 11:30

I cannot. I literally can't. No, I'm a big fan of myself.

SPEAKER_00 11:35

I'm a massive fan of it. Massive fan.

SPEAKER_03 11:38

Okay, but after you were able to come up with Taylor XO, yeah, uh, when was the moment that you were able to realize, oh, I can make this into a career? It's not just a passion that I have.

Leaving The Label, Owning The Vision

SPEAKER_00 11:48

I think it was like the first time um uh DJ, DJ Drew G, he had put me on a song that that was my first billboard. And he had put me on a remake of Nothing's Gonna Stop Us Now. And he turned it into like this dance like house version, did that, and then it charted on Billboard at like number 17.

SPEAKER_01 12:07

Yeah, hell yeah. And I said, okay, well now it is like, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 12:12

And then at that time I was getting booked for like a lot more performances. And then I think the time that I was like, I had my little like aha was uh it was 2019. I got booked to headline the Viper room on a Friday night. Wow. And I said, Okay, yes, we're doing some we're doing something. And yeah, and then I think before it was also right after uh right after COVID, it was Pride 2022. I was booked on one of the like smaller stages, but then for I don't know how, I don't know why, I had a bigger crowd at my stage that had like the little Ferris wheel than the main stage. Okay, for my for my set, and I was like, well, okay, wait.

SPEAKER_02 12:55

I love it. I think that was my first Friday.

SPEAKER_00 12:57

2022?

SPEAKER_03 12:58

2022.

SPEAKER_00 12:59

Yeah, yeah, it was my first one. I was going through a breakup, it was fantastic.

SPEAKER_03 13:02

Yeah, I'd say 2021 to 2022 was fantastic. Like honestly.

SPEAKER_02 13:07

Um, obviously, those are some wins, and all of us are in the entertainment industry in different areas, but we also have dealt with a lot of rejections uh leading up to the wins. So is there any like rejection that you remember getting that maybe almost defeated you and you kind of got back up and you're like, hell no?

SPEAKER_00 13:21

Huh?

SPEAKER_02 13:22

He's like, No, I've never been rejected.

First Billboard And Real Momentum

SPEAKER_01 13:24

No, no, no, there's there's there's too many. Yeah, there's so much.

SPEAKER_00 13:28

I'm like, you went from this year, last year, the right before that.

SPEAKER_02 13:31

Like one of the earliest ones that almost almost defeated you.

SPEAKER_00 13:35

I think it was, I think it was actually like when the label that I was um that I was on told me that they didn't believe in me. When it was, I was like, why why am I here?

SPEAKER_03 13:46

Right, if you don't believe in me.

SPEAKER_00 13:47

And like at that time, like my I think I was like two years fresh out of my mom passing away. So I was like, had also didn't have like my biggest supporter there to like remind me that I could do it. She was always very supportive of your music career, so supportive, but like would always be like, What's plan B?

SPEAKER_02 14:07

Yeah, as parents, that's what they do, right? Right, right.

SPEAKER_00 14:10

But she'd be like, we'd be in the car and I'd be singing, and then she would like stop the song and she'd like track it back like 30 seconds. She's like, Okay, now hit the note.

SPEAKER_04 14:17

I love that. I was like, damn, mom, that's clear.

SPEAKER_00 14:21

I'm not gonna hit it.

SPEAKER_04 14:24

But she's leaving it.

SPEAKER_01 14:25

Since you've been gone, like, I'm not hitting that note.

SPEAKER_00 14:28

So, but I mean, I think it was that time when I was like, I need to, I can't be, I can't listen to these old white men tell me how to like do my music anymore. Like, and then once I left, I think there was a full year where I was like, well, maybe I need to go to school or something.

SPEAKER_02 14:44

But did you?

SPEAKER_00 14:44

No.

SPEAKER_02 14:45

Okay, thank you.

SPEAKER_01 14:46

I'm not good at school.

SPEAKER_02 14:47

Me either. Me either.

SPEAKER_03 14:48

I was like, you weren't so good at school. I went to school.

SPEAKER_01 14:52

That is an accomplishment.

SPEAKER_03 14:53

She went to school and she got good grades, everybody. She was valedictorian. I had 11 people. Don't forget that. Okay. No, no, no. No, no, no.

SPEAKER_01 15:02

The numbers don't matter. You were a valedictorian and an end of sentence. Period.

SPEAKER_03 15:06

Well, you know, that's when Kayla was first taken seriously. Like, so I can do this for you. When was the first moment for you that you felt, okay, I'm being taken seriously as a as an artist?

SPEAKER_00 15:18

November 2025.

SPEAKER_03 15:20

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 15:20

For the first the first exo playoffs.

SPEAKER_03 15:22

Really?

SPEAKER_00 15:25

Yeah. That was that was full. That was like I had a full moment, like I think it was like two hours before the show. Yes. When I saw that like the tickets were gone.

SPEAKER_03 15:35

Yes.

Pride Crowds And Validation

SPEAKER_00 15:35

And then I was like, Yes, I remember coming to your house.

SPEAKER_02 15:38

Yeah, it was shitting myself. Well, because I was texting them, like, I can't get tickets anymore. Because I was like trying to get tickets. I'm like, this is cool. I'm like, there must be a this is a mistake. Yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 15:46

Like, there's a pair. No way this shit is sold out.

SPEAKER_03 15:50

And Taylor's like, no, they're fine. They can buy them at the door. But the other stuff's closed now.

SPEAKER_00 15:57

Okay. And I was like, even at the door, like they might not let you in the room, allegedly. And then and then I found out apparently that's a thing. But yeah, that yeah. I you remember you came over and uh you were she had to help me get into a corset.

SPEAKER_03 16:09

I did. And girl, I know how to get someone in a corset. Let me just put it that way. He was like, maybe a little less tighter.

SPEAKER_00 16:16

Well, I did say I was like, girl, snatch me.

Rejection That Almost Stopped It

SPEAKER_02 16:18

And then she's like, and he's like, now I don't really care. Let's snatch, let's snatch. Well, we're gonna talk about, you know, uh just being being queer in music, um, because it's not just an identity, you know, there's politics behind it, uh, branding, obviously survival, uh how it has been for you kind of coming up because you've always been very sure of who you are.

SPEAKER_00 16:37

Yes and no. Okay, yeah. Um, I think I didn't always know what I was, and then when I realized, okay, I'm gay, and then the label wouldn't let me um express that. Even around the same time, I think like Adam Lambert was coming up and stuff, they didn't want another one.

SPEAKER_02 16:55

Oh god, there's only room for one.

SPEAKER_00 16:57

There's only one room for one gay guy with a lot of eyeliner, okay? So um, yeah, I think so I had to kind of you know butch it up a little bit, be more masculine, which I mean that's if I'm I'm cool with that if I want to do that. Yeah, but then there's sometimes that I want to queen the fuck out and wear a corset and fucking like watch my girls bogue down a stage, you know what I mean?

SPEAKER_03 17:20

Um and did you feel more pressure to have to tone yourself down a lot of the times?

SPEAKER_00 17:25

All the time.

SPEAKER_03 17:25

Oh yeah. Like there's drop sorry. I'm like, Vanessa's on one. I'm so sorry.

SPEAKER_01 17:32

But there was a little bit of a sabotage happening in Vanessa right now.

SPEAKER_03 17:36

What is happening? Sorry, I don't know what I did. Sorry, keep going. What were you saying? Do you feel like you have to tone you had to tone yourself down?

Becoming Independent And Staying Authentic

SPEAKER_00 17:49

Oh yeah. I felt like I had to, you know, my voice had to drop an octave. I felt like I had to like, you know. But it's I think as I got older and as I was working as an independent artist, and then I saw slowly started having more of those wins that I felt like I could just do whatever I wanted. And then when it came to like the projects that I was doing, I was self-funding them. So there was nobody there to say, like, oh, I don't think this is a good idea.

SPEAKER_02 18:13

Well, until you write the chat, exactly right up. Exactly, right.

SPEAKER_00 18:18

Especially like even with the first XO Playhouse, and some even like love my friends. I love my friends down. Some of them are like, Oh, I think you should should you should do it this way, or I think you should have this order. And I was like, that's so wild, because I don't remember asking you.

SPEAKER_01 18:34

Right. Right. And I'm so sorry, but I'm like finally asking you to just shut the fuck up.

SPEAKER_02 18:40

Um, do you feel like now? I mean, obviously, uh, XO Playhouse is a good example, being queer, being an asset into a room. You're feeling that a lot more now with what you're absolutely.

SPEAKER_00 18:49

I feel like cause even up until like uh three years ago, I only identified as gay. And then I realized more about my sexuality through therapy. Therapy, love therapy. Go therapy. I realized like more about like my pansexuality, but like I realized like you know, queer creatives have I mean, just so much more to pull from in a way. And I'm nothing against like straight artists or anything like that. I just feel like queer art is finally like getting like kind of the recognition or being placed in other rooms that they weren't before. Like I felt like the rooms were very on the other end of the building. And I feel like now the rooms are becoming more and more the same.

SPEAKER_03 19:30

Right.

SPEAKER_00 19:31

Where I feel like you know, you have queer artists that are winning Grammys. Yeah, right.

SPEAKER_02 19:35

Yeah, absolutely. Right.

SPEAKER_00 19:36

So let's that part. We're now finally being appreciated in those in those uh previous rooms.

Being Queer In Music: Pressure And Power

SPEAKER_03 19:42

Yeah, yeah. How important was it for you to create spaces where queerness isn't explained, but it's just celebrated?

SPEAKER_01 19:50

Wow, that's wow. That's a really good question.

SPEAKER_02 19:54

See, I think she gets there. I got there. He made up for the other one.

SPEAKER_03 20:00

I'm sorry. My dyslexia, you know, comes out when she wants to. Um, yeah, that's because that's exactly what you're doing. It's not something that is explained. Yeah, everyone's explaining this. Is a gay show, right?

SPEAKER_02 20:12

This is an entertaining show for everybody. Exactly.

SPEAKER_00 20:15

Exactly. I think I wanted to just and that's why when I was thinking about how I explained the Exo Playhouse, is I just want it to say all inclusive, not like a resort, but like it is like as I wish. Bro, me too. That'll be a less of a bill. But I just think like all art as inclusive. Like, whether you are a singer, a drag queen, a DJ, a dancer, a burlesque performer, a comedian, a pro wrestler, I don't care what it is. If it is something creative, I want you at my show.

SPEAKER_04 20:49

Yes.

SPEAKER_00 20:49

I want you involved. I don't, and it I don't need, I don't need to know your sexuality.

SPEAKER_04 20:54

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 20:55

You know, and that's I can have other shows where, like, yes, like if I have a pride show, yes, I'm probably gonna want more queer requests. But you know, this one that I have coming up is all female.

SPEAKER_04 21:07

I love that.

SPEAKER_00 21:07

So, like, it's each show doesn't I always say each show is not the same for a reason because I feel like we are constantly evolving, we are constantly changing how we view shows in general.

SPEAKER_04 21:18

Right.

SPEAKER_00 21:18

So, yeah, I think that it's important to be represented, but it also doesn't have to be like a yeah, in your face.

SPEAKER_03 21:26

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 21:27

Welcome to the new guest show on the street.

From Explaining To Celebrating Queerness

SPEAKER_02 21:28

Yeah, right. Oh, that's a good tagline. Thank you.

SPEAKER_01 21:31

It is actually in some days it is.

SPEAKER_02 21:35

You know, to get you know, more information about XF Playhouse for those who weren't a part of the first show, have the opportunity to now be a part of the second show coming up next week. So, you know, we all have these ideas. You remember like the exact moment you're like laying or sitting or standing or whatever, and the ideas kind of popped into your head. Like, where is it? There's a lot of different positions you could have been in. Whatever position you're in.

SPEAKER_01 21:55

Well, my legs were near my legs were near my head.

SPEAKER_02 22:07

Actually, uh for this for this show, or just for the genesis of it. So the exo playhouse as a as a whole, like just where the idea, like what sparked it initially?

SPEAKER_00 22:18

Um yeah, I can actually give you both answers. Um so the for the for the playhouse in general, um I was kind of also starting like a bunch of like off uh like other uh branches of my brand. Sounds like so. So branches of my brand. Branches of my brand.

SPEAKER_02 22:34

It's called uh brand.

Building An All-Inclusive Stage

SPEAKER_00 22:36

Yeah, like I was looking at like I'm starting to take DJ lessons, I'm learning how to like do like you know, like podcasts and stuff like that. So like everything is always XO, which is the easiest brand, right? Um, and so I was like kind of getting tired of performing. Not that I don't love it, it's just that that was my only thing for so long. Yeah, and I was like, I feel like I have so many other ideas. And since other people weren't helping me like put my performances together and it was just me, I started to feel like wait, I want to be able to do this for other artists now. So that's when I was like, I have to come up with a show or some way that I can involve other artists and promote them the way that I wish that I was promoted 10 years ago.

SPEAKER_04 23:23

Oh, I love that.

SPEAKER_00 23:24

So it was in that moment I was like, okay, let me start coming up with some names. And so I was writing down shit, some of the weirdest I mean, always the weirdest names are coming out of my head.

SPEAKER_03 23:34

Anytime you're trying to come up with anything for a brand, the the page looks insane. Nuts.

SPEAKER_00 23:40

Like it was like corners of some shit. At one point, there was something called the EXO Tavern. I don't know what that is.

SPEAKER_03 23:50

I know like more clients.

SPEAKER_00 23:53

Yeah, I was like, I'm I'm opening an Irish pub.

SPEAKER_02 23:56

Side me up. Yeah.

Vegas Vibes And Playhouse Inspiration

SPEAKER_00 23:58

So then I just kind of thought I was like, well, I mean, the EXO Playhouse sounds fun because I feel like there's that's like um I I lived in Vegas for like six months, and there was a show and a club there called Beecher's Madhouse.

SPEAKER_03 24:10

Yes.

SPEAKER_00 24:11

There was also one here.

SPEAKER_03 24:12

Yes, there was.

SPEAKER_00 24:13

And I remember going, and I think at that moment I was like thinking of like what I want the show to look like. That was where my first thought went was Beecher's Madhouse because it was like an indoor club Moulin Rouge.

SPEAKER_03 24:24

Yeah, they would have like circus, circus sacks randomly in the club. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 24:28

Oh my god. It was it was so fun, and fire like so.

SPEAKER_02 24:31

Does that mean we have fire coming and people hanging off their roofs at some point? Maybe, maybe soon. I'll do it.

SPEAKER_00 24:36

I'll hang off of it. Yeah, you can't do it. I asked them. I asked the new venue. I was like, so what's like um, what's our deal on fire? They said none.

SPEAKER_04 24:45

There's no deal.

SPEAKER_00 24:46

I was like, what if it's controlled?

SPEAKER_04 24:48

It's not.

SPEAKER_00 24:49

Okay, great. Good talk. But yeah, that's kind of where that's where the original idea came from. And I just wanted it to be where it's like, okay, I want it to feel like a I want it to feel like a cross between like a moulin rouge burlesque, but like a European nightlife vibe. And that's where like I see it. So then I was like, okay, now I gotta condense it to a reality and then go from there.

Elevating Others: EXO Angels

SPEAKER_02 25:13

I love that that you're giving a stage to other artists and performers. Because I mean that is you could have just gone up there and it could have been a one-man show for an hour and a half and let that. It was for 42 minutes. It was the best 42 minutes. Are you tired? Okay. Um no, but I think that's really cool. I don't think enough people are doing that and giving platforms to the up-and-coming people.

SPEAKER_03 25:33

Yeah, and I and I do think I think you putting on, you know, not just a set, but a show, right? Like you said, you want to every show to be different. You want every, you want flame dancers to come in and people hanging from the ceilings eventually. But you know, like we said, you have to start from somewhere. And so it's so fun to see and be a part of something from the beginning, just to even see in show number two. I can't believe we're you're already doing show number two, which is insane. Um, but it's just you should be so proud of yourself because that is already to see the growth in that has got to feel very, very fulfilling.

SPEAKER_00 26:11

I'm working on that. Yes, you should. I'm working on receiving that compliment.

SPEAKER_03 26:14

Okay, and then I can tell it's like uncomfortable for you to receive that.

SPEAKER_02 26:18

Receive it, take it. Take it. Um the exo angels, I assume that's that was her.

SPEAKER_00 26:23

Yes. So the exo angels.

SPEAKER_02 26:25

Yes.

SPEAKER_00 26:25

The exo angels. Yeah, the exoangels. I mean, I yeah, exactly. They're meant they're called angels, but my I had this whole idea where like I I had always had male dancers as a performer. And then when I wanted this, I was like, no, I need like I'm I'm so sorry, boys. I'm so sorry. But in my general opinion, like female artists are better than male artists as performers. That's just my opinion. And um power is correct. Um I agree. I I just because I feel like the pressure on female performers has always been way more than on men. I the pressure to come out in jeans and a t-shirt is okay for a guy to show up at the Grammys, right? But a girl has to have 50 performers, a costume change, stage levels, and then then flames.

SPEAKER_02 27:10

Yeah, right.

SPEAKER_00 27:11

You know, right. So, like when I was thinking about my dancers for this like first playlist, uh playhouse, my god, um that one shot. Um I was like, no, I want to try, I want to try female dancers. And then when I when I got you and Brie, I was so excited and I was like, okay, more branding. Let's go like exoangels. That sounds fun. And then this upcoming show, um, I do have I do have a male dancer.

SPEAKER_04 27:37

Ooh.

SPEAKER_00 27:38

But like, you know, he's like my sister, so it's okay. It's fine.

SPEAKER_03 27:42

It's a way of like, yeah, but also he's still an angel.

SPEAKER_00 27:45

Such so angelic.

SPEAKER_03 27:46

You know, he's always still an exo angel.

SPEAKER_00 27:49

Yeah, and and then my you know, the exoangels, I want to give them as dancers, I want to um spotlight them, not just as my dancers, but as performers as well. So, like, um Brie, my my other exoangel, she has her own like solo number in this upcoming show. And like, I want to hide, I don't want them to be backup dancers.

SPEAKER_03 28:08

Right, right. Like, no, you definitely did not make us feel that way either. I mean, especially when he's like, hey, just so you know, you're gonna have a 45-second piece and you get to choreograph it.

SPEAKER_02 28:18

And I'm like, that's definitely like I know it's hard for a lot of entertainers because they want the spotlight to be all about them. Their ego is bigger than the room that they're in. Was that always like uh easy for you to kind of leave your ego aside to elevate others? Or was it something you had to work on as you became more successful?

SPEAKER_00 28:34

I think that was something that I had to work on as I became successful because I was so focused on myself and being just just appreciated or approved of.

SPEAKER_04 28:43

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 28:44

So I think once I started to get that kind of like that validation and confidence in myself, then I'm like, okay, I'm sure there's hundreds, if not thousands, of other artists that have felt this way. Right. So let's create a space where they can feel that way.

SPEAKER_04 28:57

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 28:58

You know, and let them know that if there's, you know, if if there's one person supporting them, it's me. So that's how I that's how I started to view it.

The Hidden Logistics And Stress

SPEAKER_03 29:06

I love that. Well, see Tyra Banks should have taken a name, taken out of his book.

SPEAKER_00 29:11

I'm actually gonna be hosting Cycle 25 in America's.

SPEAKER_02 29:19

Did you get like feedback? I'm sure you did, from your performers that you um you know put on your stage at your first show. Like, what was some of uh the feedback back? Were they just just so overjoyed and thankful for the opportunity?

SPEAKER_01 29:31

Uh yeah.

SPEAKER_02 29:32

It was I don't know, that's not a loaded question and answer. Yes, I was um okay.

SPEAKER_00 29:42

I loved, I love the everyone that performed at my first playhouse was not was is a friend of mine. So I basically called in the favors. It was also a night that was going to the Los Angeles LGBT center as well. So I wanted to let them know, like, hey, you know, most of what we make off tickets is is going to that. Right. So I need this favor.

SPEAKER_02 30:02

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 30:03

So, you know, some some of them needed a little extra attention, and that's okay.

SPEAKER_03 30:08

Yes.

SPEAKER_00 30:08

Some of them needed a lot of people. Had some writers, that's okay.

SPEAKER_01 30:14

But, you know, that's what it is.

SPEAKER_00 30:16

Like they they're they they understand their self-worth and they wanted to be like and they wanted to put on a really good show.

SPEAKER_04 30:22

Of course.

SPEAKER_00 30:22

For me, as a person who didn't have a team at the time, I was like, So, like, if I had someone that was helping me, I don't think I would have been as stressed.

SPEAKER_02 30:31

Of course.

SPEAKER_00 30:32

So, like, when they're like saying, like, can we do a sound check at six instead of 615? And I'm over here being like, Yeah, I'm like, I don't even have a corset on yet, guys.

SPEAKER_02 30:40

The charity event that we threw last year because we didn't have really a lot of help with that. Oh my god. And that was it. You have five performers there who all like someone's not there on time, someone there, you know, needs XYZ, and it's like you don't have someone who's designated to handle the talent, right? You need all talent, someone just for talent.

Safe Spaces And Performing Like It’s Stadium-Size

SPEAKER_03 30:55

You need a talent, you need a talent wrangler, you're a talent wrangler and a producer, and like all you need Wranglers for everything, like honestly. Yeah, like honestly. It's it is insane.

SPEAKER_00 31:08

I mean, and the event that you two put on was like insane.

SPEAKER_03 31:14

You'll have to perform at the next one.

SPEAKER_00 31:15

Yeah, I'm so down anytime. Anytime.

SPEAKER_03 31:18

Yeah, that was a huge, but you know, we we understand, but also doing things like what we did and what you know, XL Playhouse, it's it's showing growth in numbers because although you did do all of that by yourself, you still wouldn't have been able to do it without the performers who did show up for you, and your dancers and and Bar Lubic and and all the all those people and in the space, and just like you know, Kayla and I, it's like, yes, we did all that by basically by ourselves, but without the help of the people that really were there, we none of that would have been made. And so it's nice to build that type of team where we're at that age where it's like, oh, okay, we are building things that are going to be for a longevity. You are trying to build this exo playhouse that can be larger than life and that is something that can be taken on the road, which is which is so cool. Just like, you know, like the same thing that we were trying, we're trying to do, you know, it's like it's it's it's building these little seeds that at least I can see for you. And I know you could see it for us, even even if we don't see it for ourselves at the time of the event. It's important to have people like each other in each other's circles to really show that because yeah, I mean, I am so impressed that again you are doing this so close to when was the last one? It was November.

SPEAKER_00 32:37

November 18th, wasn't it?

SPEAKER_02 32:38

Putting on like two events in that short amount of time is and the fact you're just like at what point was it when you know to turn the lights off and the venue after the first one that you knew a number two? That sounds bad. You knew you'd have to go number two. I did have to go number two.

SPEAKER_00 32:54

Right right before we went on. Right before we went on.

SPEAKER_02 32:57

I was like, I have to go to the bathroom. I said one thing.

SPEAKER_00 33:02

Um, my dumbass got up on stage at the end after two shots of tequila and announced it.

SPEAKER_02 33:08

Oh, yeah. You held yourself accountable, right? That's what you did.

SPEAKER_00 33:12

Yeah, so I made a choice.

SPEAKER_02 33:13

Okay. I love that. That is definitely a choice.

SPEAKER_00 33:16

Holy, by the way, without a venue.

SPEAKER_01 33:17

Right. And I I said, yeah, we'll see Excel Playoffs too, end of February. And then as soon as I said that, I was like, What are you doing, bro?

SPEAKER_03 33:28

But that's good. That's like the universe probably pushing you and nudging a little bit without you wanting to wanting it at the time. But just being like, oh, you're gonna do this again because you can and you will, and it's gonna be bigger and better.

unknown 33:40

A little bit, yeah.

Communication, Time, And Creative Wrangling

SPEAKER_02 33:40

Yeah. Um what would you say was like the hardest part? Obviously, you know, you have funding, booking artists, coordinating dancers, performers, venues, the emotional labor that goes into it. Uh, what part was like almost like the did you ever feel almost like broken by like the stress, or was there a specific part?

SPEAKER_00 33:56

Yes, yeah, a couple times. A couple times, and I think I'm so glad that I'm so glad again that I put the first Exo Playhouse at that venue because it was a venue that I was comfortable with, a venue that I knew. All the performers were my friends. Um again, so thankful, so thankful to them. And I, but I think when I started piling on everything, and it got to like, okay, um, you know, ran wrangling, wrangling all of these creatives at once, making sure that I put on a show. My main stress was I was like, no one's showing up.

SPEAKER_04 34:29

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 34:30

Not one person is showing up. I was like, not even, not even my friends are showing up. That was just the void, you know, that like the self self-sabotage was going in. And I think it was like, we did a full run through of our set, and I was even like, why did I, why did I book myself for a 42-minute set? What in the psychopathic behavior is this? Like, and then you know, my headliner has a 40-minute set. He's also DJing, he's asking me questions that I don't know the answers to. He's like, I need this kind of a chord and this kind of a chord, and I was like, Cool, bro. Girl, I have an eye, I have an iPhone charger. Like, I don't know. And then, and then it and then I think at one point a performer was gonna dip out, and I was gonna like um scramble to replace them, and then they were like, Oh, wait, no, I can actually do it. And I'm like, there's not enough Xanax. This, why am I doing this?

SPEAKER_03 35:24

Right, and everyone always sees the glamour, right? But they don't ever see the logistics.

SPEAKER_02 35:28

Yeah, no one sees behind the thing. That was, I mean, yeah, our stress. I've never seen Vanessa stressed out at our event. She was like handling it very well, but at one point she looks at me and goes, Can everyone just stop talking to me?

SPEAKER_03 35:38

And I was like, Yes, yes, yes, everyone just kept asking me questions, and I just like at one point it just like got too much, and I was like, Whoa, okay, I feel like a panic attack about to happen. And I know that like Kayla would understand because like we're very open with each other, and I just was like, I she's like, What do you need? I'm like, I just need everyone to like stop asking me questions for like two seconds.

Pride Moment, Big Dream, Next Venue

SPEAKER_01 35:58

I need to hit pause. Like, just for a second, and Kayla was like, Okay, okay.

SPEAKER_03 36:02

Oh my god, great. She was like, Yeah, she was like, Yeah, tequila. I'm like, yes.

SPEAKER_01 36:07

Just a sip, just a sip, just a sip or the whole damn ball.

SPEAKER_02 36:11

Um for you dancing, I know obviously you've been dancing for your entire life. Well, pull up, add picture of Vanessa uh dancing as a child. I have a couple of those. Yes, she's um, she's so cute. Oh my god. How did this feel different for you though than other gigs? Since it was, you know, part of the community that you love and support so much in your town of West Hollywood with your friends and people there.

SPEAKER_03 36:29

I loved it. I just it feels it's such a safe. I mean, we help boys town, the gay community is just like queer community. They are just my safe space. And so I just I feel like giving it all. I'm never gonna be too much, I'm never gonna be too sexy, I'm never gonna be too anything for this community because that's just the way with that we roll. No, no such thing as too. There's no such thing, and so it did feel wonderful. Like obviously, and you know, we've both like been on massive stages, but then it it goes to show and prove it doesn't matter how big the stage is or how many people are in the audience. I will never forget, and I say this story all the time, I saw Lady Gaga before she was Lady Gaga at Cinespace on Hollywood Boulevard when I was 18 years old, had no idea who the hell she was. There was only maybe the same amount of people in in Bar Lubitch than there was at Cinaspace, same kind of like setup. And she was performing like she was performing for a million people. Yeah, and I will never forget that. And then she became Lady Gaga, and I was like, oh well, duh. Like she was performing in that way in front of five people. Right. And and now she's performing that same way.

SPEAKER_00 37:37

Disclaimer, there was more than five people at that.

SPEAKER_03 37:41

You know what I mean?

SPEAKER_00 37:42

One more time. It was sold out, it was a sold out of the and it holds a ticket. The venue holds 143 people, okay?

Rapid Fire And March 4 Details

SPEAKER_03 37:53

Oh my gosh. Yeah, no, there was way more than five, but you know what are you performing for? I've performed on a stage for felt like five people before, okay. Not exo playhouse, but you still just give it your all. Like and you just like go above and beyond. And so that's what it just felt like. It felt like we all treated it that way, and it didn't matter that we were at a bar and not on in an auditorium, but like, you know what I mean? Like, we we all just like showed up and showed out every single person, every single act. So can I ask?

SPEAKER_00 38:26

Can I ask you a question?

SPEAKER_03 38:27

Yes.

SPEAKER_00 38:27

Did you got it? So, like, work working, working with me, were you ever like this dude is nuts? Because like, there's sometimes she would come in for rehearsals for like like like like 38 minutes. I'd be like, I just have to teach you this one part of this one song, and then you can go home. Like, you're on your way. Like, do you have can you just like swing by like I got you? And then like we'd have separate rehearsals, like like Bree would rehearse with me in the morning and Vanessa would rehearse with me at night. And yeah.

SPEAKER_02 38:54

I think we're all a little nuts. I think that's good though for you. Like, how do you protect like your creativity when you're also having to be the boss and especially the boss to friends of yours? Oh I I think it's just I think it's a known respect level.

SPEAKER_03 39:07

I just I just think like Taylor, I think Taylor has a different okay. I I mean for me, please give your answer first. No, but I mean, just for me, like with friends, like working with friends, it you have to maintain that respect level when where it's like we I know specifically what he was going through because I was with him like at his house. I was I would hear him talking about certain things. So, like if I can do anything to make that easier, I will swing by and learn this for like an hour. You know what I mean? Like, that's that's just that's just me personally. That's how I am. I don't try to like get pissed off at somebody who's frantic over trying to put together an entire.

SPEAKER_02 39:42

That was your answer. She thought you were frantic.

SPEAKER_04 39:44

Yep.

SPEAKER_02 39:45

Found it.

SPEAKER_00 39:46

Found it.

SPEAKER_03 39:48

But how do you feel about that?

SPEAKER_00 39:49

I mean, what's your I know I used to like have this huge thing against like working with friends just because I had one bad experience, like I'd say like 10 years ago. Um, but I think it's as long I have a thing now. I have a thing now where I'm working with friends and I I'm very upfront. I've learned much better. I used to like was so scared of conflict, but now I'm like, there won't be conflict if there's just good communication.

SPEAKER_04 40:14

Right.

SPEAKER_00 40:14

You know? So if everybody knows the deal from the jump, then if there's a little bit of like a conflict, I can say, hey, remember at the very beginning when I texted you and put everything in writing and said this is A, B, C, D, E, F, G? Yes.

SPEAKER_01 40:28

Maybe just refer back to that? Yes. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 40:30

So, but like I like to make it known from the jump, like, hey, look, I am your friend. I love you down. We are great. However, if you are 15 minutes late to something that I ask you to be on time for, just know I'm gonna be a little pissed off.

SPEAKER_02 40:42

Yeah, exactly. Late this out. She late. I was never late on time.

SPEAKER_04 40:46

She was never I was never for some reason.

SPEAKER_02 40:50

I was never late. That's the biggest thing.

SPEAKER_03 40:53

Even I'm a stickler for time. I'm such a stickler. Same. But sometimes she's like overboard for me. You know what I mean? Like sometimes she's a little like she like her anxiety. I'm like, it's okay. Like, no, it's not. The groomers have already been sitting outside for five minutes. Yeah, and I'm like, and I'm like, they have to wait 15. So where are they going? They're not going anywhere.

SPEAKER_00 41:15

Um I kind of like them like that too. But if somebody can say, like, hey, I'm gonna just tell me. Tell me you're gonna be 10 minutes later.

SPEAKER_03 41:22

Yeah, yeah. See, I'm definitely, I will always say if I'm gonna be late. Like, I it, you know, but it's I I too. I say, hey, I'm on my way. At the time she's supposed to already be there. Right, right. Well, even like even patient. Yeah, communication. Even like today, it's like it was like, oh, I'll get there at like 10, 1020. And then yeah, I got there at 1018.

SPEAKER_02 41:42

You're right.

SPEAKER_03 41:43

So I still technically got there. It's a window. It's a window. No, it's not.

SPEAKER_02 41:46

I'm I'm like super, super type A, but to like a negative side of it sometimes. So I understand I can, I've always been like that, so I know I've got to work on that as well. But yeah, communication. Communication is we could wait to be. We do communicate sometimes.

SPEAKER_03 42:01

Yeah, sometimes, sometimes when Kayla, like there's a car buyer just like go for us, and we gotta. I'm like, they can win. Also, there is a pedestrian crossing the street. I can't go, Kayla. Yes, you can hit them.

SPEAKER_01 42:12

Is walking across the street right now.

SPEAKER_02 42:14

There's a whole family of squirrels over the paper, you know. Oh god, we can literally talk to you for another hour, but we are running out of time. So couple more questions, and we're gonna do a little rapid fire and then we're gonna promote the show.

SPEAKER_00 42:24

Let's do it.

SPEAKER_02 42:25

Um, what's a moment in your career at this point that you're the most proud of?

SPEAKER_00 42:29

November 18th, 2025. Okay.

SPEAKER_02 42:31

First Exo Playhouse.

SPEAKER_00 42:32

I I I do I know that's where I'm not just going on a promo today.

SPEAKER_02 42:36

No, we know. But as you should too.

SPEAKER_00 42:39

Well, it's just, I think that was the one moment where I felt like that was a these artists. It was actually in that the reason why I felt so accomplished and so successful in that moment was because these other artists, regardless of being my friends, they could have told me to fuck off. They could have literally said, I don't trust you. They trusted me to arrange and produce a show that they felt safe and comfortable doing, where they felt like their art and their creativity was going to be accepted and applauded and and congratulated. Right. So for that, that's when even like you and Brie dancing for me, they, you know, you trusted me to arrange this set, knowing that A, you were dancing, I'd planned it out so that you didn't die 15 minutes in.

SPEAKER_03 43:19

Right.

SPEAKER_00 43:19

Right. Like, so I think that was that that was fully that moment.

SPEAKER_03 43:23

Okay. And what's a dream you haven't said out loud yet?

SPEAKER_00 43:29

Um, I really want within the next like five to seven years, I really want the the EXO Playhouse to be its own venue.

SPEAKER_02 43:39

Okay, I think that's completely possible. I agree. Milken Hunter is a beyond the scenes. Exactly. So we'll cover the opening. Exactly. Um, yes, we are both very proud of you. It's been amazing getting to know you more the last, you know. Well, we got drunk together.

SPEAKER_04 43:56

So now they're best friends.

SPEAKER_00 43:59

Oh, that's Like you want you want to tell them how we bond to Kayla come on. Um she actually sat down and she's like, What's your favorite drink? I was like, tequila episode on the on tequila reposado on neat with like an orange slice in the early. She goes, Done. Stop.

SPEAKER_03 44:15

That is our favorite.

SPEAKER_01 44:18

She was like, okay, so let's talk.

SPEAKER_03 44:20

She's like, let's get a round of that and let's talk.

SPEAKER_02 44:23

Uh we're gonna do a quick rapid rapid fire and then we're gonna close it out to promote the event. First one, favorite song to perform live. Of all time.

SPEAKER_00 44:31

Of all time? Fuck, fuck, fuck. Uh Bad Idea by Ariana Grande.

SPEAKER_03 44:34

Okay. Okay, artists that change your life. And I think I know who it is, but Britney Spears.

SPEAKER_00 44:39

Brittany Spears. Okay. Yeah, Brittany Britney Spears, Beyonce, Ariana Grande, the My Holy Trinity, I prayed in the movie.

SPEAKER_02 44:44

He has photos of them.

SPEAKER_00 44:45

All three of them, yes.

SPEAKER_03 44:46

Oh, and Rihanna.

SPEAKER_00 44:47

Yes, Ed Riri.

SPEAKER_02 44:52

I can tell you.

Closing Hype And Sign-Off

SPEAKER_01 44:54

It is my pre-show. This is like, I don't know if it's TMI, but it's uh it is two shots at tequila and I go to the bathroom.

SPEAKER_03 45:03

Okay, I love it. That's a good one. I just want to make sure everything's out. Yeah, uh, biggest creative influence.

SPEAKER_00 45:12

Beyoncé.

SPEAKER_03 45:13

I love that.

SPEAKER_00 45:14

I would say just from a genre-bending standpoint. Okay. Yeah, and her toys are crazy.

SPEAKER_02 45:18

Yeah, crazy. I love went to her show a couple years ago. It was incredible.

SPEAKER_00 45:21

Insane.

SPEAKER_02 45:22

All right, and finally, one word to describe Exo Playhouse. Fun. Fun. I love it. It is fun, guys. And again, the second show is coming up March 4th. New venue. We haven't even announced the venue yet.

SPEAKER_00 45:33

Beach of Tropicana in West Hollywood. Big, the big venue. We can hold is so many more people than five. Yes.

SPEAKER_03 45:41

So many than five. Oh gosh, I'll never live without life. I will never. And if you guys missed the first show, do not make the mistake twice. Please go watch the show. It is going to be amazing. There's going to be so many amazing acts. The audience is great. The energy's on fire. Oh, it's just, yes, please go. It is March 4th. Like you said, Beaches Tropicana.

SPEAKER_00 46:04

9:30 p.m.

SPEAKER_03 46:05

9:30 p.m. Come loud, come hot, and come ready.

SPEAKER_02 46:09

Because Exo Playhouse isn't just a show. It's a feeling. You like that? I did like that.

SPEAKER_03 46:15

You know what the best feeling is? Oh, wait, hold on. After you get done watching XO Playoffs, you're going to go home and you're going to have to unwind after this show for sure. Okay, guys. I'm really elongating this out today. Um, what you're gonna do is you're gonna take a coffee cup or a mug, whatever. Same thing. You're gonna um pour some water in there. You're gonna put some tea, gonna really steep that tea in there. You're gonna add some milk and honeys, then you're gonna enjoy and go to sleep and have the best sleep of your life after you go see XO Playhouse at Beach's Drop a cannon.

SPEAKER_00 46:49

I see what you did there.

SPEAKER_02 46:50

She does want, she doesn't sign off on this every show. That one was, we'll work on that one. I see everyone.

SPEAKER_03 46:55

This is what happens when I don't drink before an episode. Normally come in a little bit, but usually, usually it's a lot better. But you know what, you guys.

SPEAKER_01 47:03

I was ready. I was like, where is she going?

SPEAKER_02 47:06

Yeah, we're just making milk and honeys. Go watch milk and honeys, come back every single week. We'll be back next week. Taylor, thank you so much for joining us. We can't wait to see you at Exxon Playhouse again next week, Tropicana, Beach and Tropicana, West Hollywood, March 4th.

SPEAKER_03 47:19

See you there. Don't miss it.

SPEAKER_02 47:20

Bye.