Episode 42: Shayne Davis: He Survived Getting Shot… Now He’s Surviving Bravo

This week, Shayne Davis from Vanderpump Rules joins us on the couch — and let’s just say… there’s a lot more to him than what you see on Bravo. We get into how he was brought into the new cast, what kind of advice (if any) he got going in, and what it actually feels like to have the internet form opinions about you overnight.

But beyond the show, Shayne opens up about his real life — including the kind of experiences that give you at least nine lives (and then some). From getting shot to navigating sobriety, we talk about the parts of his story people don’t expect… and the parts reality TV definitely doesn’t show.

We also get honest about whether reality TV is everything he thought it would be, the pressure of public perception, and how much of himself he’s actually able to share on camera. It’s funny, a little chaotic, surprisingly real — and yes, we absolutely tried to get him to say things he probably shouldn’t.

Transcript

Meet Shane Davis And Nine Lives

SPEAKER_04 0:08

All right, everybody. Welcome back to Milk and Honeys. Today we have a very special guest, one of the newest faces from Vanderpump Rules. Uh, but frankly, probably one of the most like interesting people to come out of reality TV in a in a minute. So uh he's hot, he's on Bravo, which is usually enough to ruin a person spiritually. But Shane Davis has actually lived about nine different lives already.

SPEAKER_05 0:30

Yo, which is honestly rude because some of us are um out here trying to survive one. So that's right, yes.

SPEAKER_04 0:38

We're talking fanny from rules, fame, fan reaction, sobriety, survival, entertainment, and the fact that sometimes a person people will assume is just another pretty LA face is actually carrying an insane life story. Shane, thank you so much for joining me. Welcome, welcome.

SPEAKER_00 0:52

Thank you guys for having me. I actually got nine lives tatted on my look. Wait, really? I didn't even know that. But it's like going away. I got it tatted a minute ago. Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 1:00

Well, oh my god. I honestly didn't even know.

SPEAKER_00 1:03

They gave me that nickname because they're like, oh, this food just won't die. Overdose, shot, car wrecks. It's like, dude, I just forgot.

SPEAKER_05 1:12

And you're still hot. And you got shot.

SPEAKER_00 1:16

Instead of what doesn't kill you, it just makes you hotter. Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 1:21

I like that. I like that a lot. That's a good one. T T T T T T.

SPEAKER_00 1:26

Anytime you go through a breakup, just say that.

Fans Misjudge Him And Dating Truth

SPEAKER_04 1:29

If it doesn't kill you, make you stronger. I'm gonna tat that to my ass. Literally, please. Um, we're gonna dive right into things. We have a lot we want to cover with you. So when people now know you as the new Vanderpump Rolls guy who doesn't work at Sur, what do they get right about you and what do they get wildly wrong? The pe which people, like the people that are the fans, you know, people who are watching you.

SPEAKER_00 1:50

Oh, I think um fuck, what do they? I mean, they they all thought I was a douchebag. And maybe, maybe I am a little bit.

SPEAKER_05 2:02

I mean, again, taking accountability is is really great. We talked about that in our last episode.

SPEAKER_00 2:08

It's the only way to grow.

SPEAKER_05 2:10

Exactly. Exactly.

SPEAKER_00 2:11

So they're not wrong, like, but there's a there's a lot of haters that are just wrong about a lot of things. Like they're they act like I like am out here just dogging women out. I'm I I don't live like that. Like I I live pretty honest and and I have no interest in playing women or hurting women or or telling them fallacies that keep them in my pocket or anything like that. So I think that's where some of the fans got me all twisted. Um, but other than that, I think they they aren't super wrong in a lot of ways. Okay. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 2:41

And and I watched your season, I will say you are very transparent and up front, and I respected that because most people, someone in a scene, they she's she had a boyfriend. But you know, I'm in a dating scene, and people are not transparent in this city at all. Right. Yeah, so that is respectful. Right.

SPEAKER_00 2:57

It's difficult.

SPEAKER_05 2:57

Yeah. How do you do you think that it's been easy for you to kind of be that transparent from the get-go? Especially in West Hollywood and on reality TV.

SPEAKER_00 3:07

Well, no, no, I think I think it's like weirdly natural, and there's like a battle of the sexes where people just don't tell the truth. Yeah. There's not, I think men get put on the hot seat a lot, but I'll say, like, where women have been dishonest to me is they'll to try to get close to me, they'll say they don't want a relationship, and they do. And then uh, and that right there is gaslighting me.

SPEAKER_04 3:30

Right. Where it's like I can't. The oldest trick in the world.

SPEAKER_00 3:34

I'm just saying, like, there it's like there's so much j like, yeah, there's gaslighting, I think, goes both ways. And I think a lot of dudes love mom, and I've certainly done my fair share of being of like getting caught in the feelings and and and not being logically honest with myself, and then getting myself and her in a world of shit.

SPEAKER_04 3:54

Yeah, you know?

SPEAKER_05 3:55

Yep, absolutely.

How Vanderpump Rules Found Him

SPEAKER_04 3:56

Well, let's get into the how it happened with the Vanderprump rolls. How the hell did you get pulled into this chaos? You don't come from this world of reality TV and no, like, so how did this even happen?

SPEAKER_00 4:06

My boy Marcus um like was like really wanting me to do this. And so there was we have another buddy that we're really tight with that was thinking about doing it too, but he's just a little too successful in acting where it's like it just could have done too much damage because we just don't know. We don't know, not only do we not know how we're gonna be edited, but we all are aware of like our shortcomings and that those aren't always the best in the film industry. Um, so Marcus was asking me to do it, and I'm already in the area going to recovery meetings, and so I pop in here and there. So people had seen my face, people knew about me. So that's kind of how it just kind of happened naturally. Um but yeah, it's it was a risky move on my part, a really risky move because I was already working, like, yeah, they're micro dramas, which really aren't really micro, right? They're actually full-length movies that are chopped into like two-minute episodes. But I was already full-time working. And I was working in drug rehab and sex rehab. A lot of people don't know that part. Like that wasn't even shown in the show because they couldn't get access because of HIPAA, they could not get access to uh they had an easier time getting on a film set with me than they did, they couldn't, they just couldn't go to a rehab.

SPEAKER_02 5:23

Wow. Interesting.

SPEAKER_00 5:24

Yeah, so I worked at rehab the entire time I was filming that as well. Really? 100%. Yeah, I worked two days a week. I had to chop a lot of that down because I just didn't have time.

SPEAKER_05 5:32

Right. Good for you. Yeah, I mean, how how was that kind of like getting your mind up to life? Yes, exactly. It's like you're like Dexter.

SPEAKER_04 5:40

Well, are you also a serial?

SPEAKER_05 5:42

Are you are you also killing me?

Rehab Work And The Party Mask

SPEAKER_04 5:44

But the list I want to send to you. Not yet. But if these basement dwellers keep testing me, anything's possible.

SPEAKER_00 5:50

No, um I well, I quit working at the uh at the sex rehab because I didn't want to be a bad influence on the guys there. And I knew that I was a my dating life is not always clean, anyways, but I knew I was about to kind of go party boy with my life. And so I decided to take a step away from the sex rehab with sex addicts because I didn't want to walk in to work one day and then be like, oh, he was my guy, and then be like, oh, but he's living this way. And he's like dating multiple women and telling me not to do what he's doing. Like, so I stepped away from that. Sorry, what was the question?

SPEAKER_04 6:29

I don't know. I feel like we we have started off in a different way we thought we would. Right. Or how how is it like doing the double life?

SPEAKER_05 6:36

Like you working there and then letting it go if other people, yeah. All of our ADD pink, I know. We all have it, so beware, guys.

SPEAKER_00 6:47

Um, the the double life was tricky, and and I think I stopped living a double life probably like halfway through. And I I don't mean that and I was fake. I mean that like we all wear masks when we're uncomfortable. And one of the masks that I tend to wear when I'm uncomfortable is I I I goon pretty hard. I I like go full party boy mode because I feel safe. I can keep women away in in the sense that they won't take me serious. Um and I can just hide behind like I'm a doofus, or I can kind of hide. And I've I've just really started paying attention to these masks and why I wear them and when I'm wearing them. Um, but I wasn't aware at the moment fully. Um, but I could feel something was off. I was like, man, I'm I'm like, I feel I just feel off right now. Yeah, I don't feel an alignment. I feel like I'm gonna, I just, yeah. And then like I started opening up when I got more comfortable by episode six. You see me like talk about my addiction for real. Stop hiding behind the gunshot wounds. Like, the gunshot wounds were traumatic, and I'm over here like, hey, like I got shot hat. Right. Like, but it is traumatic, right? Like it was really sad.

SPEAKER_04 7:59

And like, I think that also it's really that's what I reach out to. I'm like, I saw seen a lot of clips of your story, and I really respect it. We, you know, all of us have you know pretty traumatic stories in this room right now, and I think it's very important to be self-aware and to realize when you're we are you you you gotta stop hiding at some point and let people know you. And it's terrifying to let people know you, right? Especially you're not just letting your close circle know you, you're letting millions of people who are watching every week know you, right? And like when that hits you, like, oh my god, you didn't want to do the show in the first place. Now you're on this show and you're putting all this out there when that kind of clicked in your brain. Like, did you have a freak out?

SPEAKER_00 8:36

No, I didn't have a freak out because I felt in alignment. Good. And I was like, sometimes being alignment is scary. Yes, but I knew, like, and I've said this before, like, not everybody survived from what I came from. Some people really like a lot of my closest friends are dead. And so I knew I was like, man, I'm in a position to talk about a story that not a lot of people in this industry get to. You know, like the the shootouts, the getting locked up, the the overdoses around me, all that stuff. Like, I I know that I can't shut my mouth about it because there's guys out there that are in that position, they're in drug rehab right now, they're fresh out of prison, whatever, and they need to see that there's a guy they can they can they can turn it all around. They have to. Or women, same, same thing.

SPEAKER_04 9:27

Yeah, but you might be that example for people to be like, that's okay.

SPEAKER_05 9:30

Yep, exactly. Do you ever feel misunderstood on site with people? Like right right away, obviously. And how long, how long do you think it takes people to start talking to you? And they're like, oh, wait, you're not a doofist. Like you just said, not that I'm calling you that.

SPEAKER_04 9:46

I'm just saying she literally got here, she's like, Oh my god, he's such a doofus. I did not say that.

SPEAKER_05 9:53

That is how rumors get started, okay? I'm not trying to get canceled over here. Um, you know, um, but you know, like what what is that? What's some of the things that click when you're like, oh, you really realize I'm not like who you're not and not speak attention seeking, you're a real guy who has a pretty face, but yeah, more tea. Yeah, exactly.

SPEAKER_00 10:10

I think they usually like sometimes they usually say that. They'll literally say it like, huh.

SPEAKER_05 10:15

I thought you were gonna be a big thing.

SPEAKER_00 10:16

I thought you were gonna be a complete douchebag.

SPEAKER_05 10:19

Well, sometimes when I walk in a room, people when they realize I'm nice. Oh, when we first met, that's that's how like when I first met, I'm like, this is a good thing.

SPEAKER_04 10:24

She's like, she's gonna be such a three years, three, four years. She's definitely so hot.

SPEAKER_05 10:29

Most people say that, and I always get that. They're like, I just thought that you were gonna be a complete bitch, and like blah, blah, blah. And they're like, You're actually really cool. And I love that. I'm like, cool, thanks. I'll take it. Like, I'm glad, I'm glad you think I'm nice because I try to be nice, but like it is, it's always, you know, don't judge a book by its cover. I know it's so cliche, but it it really is that thing.

SPEAKER_00 10:48

No, you you you shouldn't. And and that I would say to like all the fans out there is like, man, just give it like I I know that's part of the fun of reality, is that you get to like kind of safely judge, right? Like from your own position, because most people's friend groups and family members have all kinds of problems, anyways. Yeah, and you get to look at this group and judge, but give give us the same grace you would give the people in your real life. Yeah, you know, because you you might not before you start leaving those horrendous comments out there, you know, like give us a little grace.

SPEAKER_04 11:21

Literally, our last episode was uh about grace and like just giving people grace, which is like a lost art now. It is people are want so quickly because everyone's miserable right now, you know, everyone likes sucks, want to find a way to make somebody else miserable and make them feel miserable, and it's it's sad.

SPEAKER_05 11:33

And I think behind a screen, it's easy to do that. It's so much in a finger, even so face to face. For sure, for sure. But a lot of times it's easier for people to be that way behind a screen.

SPEAKER_01 11:42

They have a lot of confidence in your mouth, exactly. Not yeah, right, right, right.

Service As The Real North Star

SPEAKER_04 11:49

It's like Dexter, like social media versions like go to all your trolls' houses and do like you love this idea. Cut the camera. Um so what what do you think for you in your life, in your real life, you care most about when the cameras are shut off? Like what is the most meaningful thing to you?

SPEAKER_00 12:05

Well, I have to um I have to be of service to addicts specifically. Um that's just part of that's just part of the deal um when you get involved with the recovery community. Um and that's really just when I feel the best, to be honest. Like it's it I I can't really say it's more uh complex than that, it just is simply that, and you know you're in alignment uh when you're doing that. But also to give you some history on that, like as the most selfish dude who learned in my youth and looked up to sociopaths, to be honest, like I always looked up to the guy who just took everything. Uh but you always be miserable. And I lived that way as a as a young man in my uh teens and early 20s. Everything was like, you know, I was well, I was a criminal, you know, I was stealing and robbing and and um and ripping people off all the time and stuff.

SPEAKER_04 13:04

So that's what you knew, yes.

SPEAKER_00 13:06

Well, yeah, it's what I knew, and and I never got happier. Um, and I never, and deep down, you know that you're not a benefit to society. And I actually think that when you make that a priority, you actually gain a way different level of self-esteem. Like a lot of a lot of people think, and not to say there's no esteem built in like lifting weights and and you know, your own personal achievements, but I think that those are kind of they hail in comparison to when you truly know deep down that you're of use to somebody else.

Childhood Violence And Early Survival

SPEAKER_04 13:44

I want to get into that a little bit. You know, you've been very public about you know how your father was absent when you're growing up, legal trouble, jail at times, uh the family environment involved heavily in drug use. I have very similar background. My mom was in prison, drugs, all the whole thing. So I completely understand that. Um, but I I do want to like hear from you, not just reading it, about your like your earliest memories of childhood and kind of like what what made Shane, you know?

SPEAKER_00 14:08

Well, you know, it was it was uh it was kind of brutal. Like I remember one of my, I don't know why I did this, it was some weird shit, and I've never really talked about it, but like I remember I had a Godzilla toy, and I remember I threw it in the toilet, and it's like my dad was around a couple times in my youth, and then I ran up to him and I said, Hey, uh my Godzilla toy is in the or like his leg, his little leg was in the uh toilet. And I think what I was trying to do is get him to like rescue me or something. And he just came in and he flushed it, and he just like and he was drunk and he just walked off. And I was like, Oh, oh my god. But you know, that's just one of the earliest memories. I don't know why that popped up or or why I even brought it up, but um that's for sure Shay Few.

SPEAKER_04 14:56

When you have wannabes, you're like asking for help. It's one of those things we all like that's why we become such like survivalists, and like we don't want to ask for help as adults because at small age, you don't know that's what you were doing, but that's what you were doing, and it was shut down. Exactly.

SPEAKER_00 15:08

I think too though, if you you have to, that's a good, it's obviously a little kid's immature way of doing it, which is great. And as parents, like you can see that, but where I think it becomes problematic in your adult life, if you have like a girlfriend, I see it all the time where people like will do these weird things because they want their partner to fight for them.

SPEAKER_05 15:28

And you'll actually just a lot of times create more distrust or you know, it could be in like backhanded comments too, like instead of just saying, Hey, I need for you right now, and what do you need from me?

SPEAKER_00 15:42

You know, like we everyone needs things from their partners, so and it's super difficult, and like specifically like for me and my my male friends, like male on male friendships, like to just you know, and it's good too. Like, I I want to be able to do that because I know my friends would be there. They'd roast me first, which is great, so that we can get rid of the soft part of it. Roast me first, then help me. Yeah, but like still just learning how to do that. But, anyways, yeah, for first memories are like there's a lot of brutal ones too, you know. I got my I don't want to get too deep into it, but like I remember like I got I was blind for a little bit, I got my face burned uh with hot grease. Um, and I just went through a lot of like kind of was this in your home? Yeah, okay, just a lot of uh I, you know, not gonna throw anybody in the bus, but there was just a under the bus, but like there was just a lot of domestic violence in every fashion. Uh parent to child, uh parent, uh parent on parent violence. It was just a lot of um just a lot of violence.

SPEAKER_04 16:43

Yeah, and you had to sit there and watch that as a young kid and somehow figure out how not to repeat the same and I did.

SPEAKER_00 16:48

I repeated everything that I learned. And I was in anger management by eight. Like I had a brutal, yeah. I turned uh yeah, I was I was forced into anger management because I could not be charged with a crime by the time I was eight years old.

SPEAKER_05 17:00

Wow, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 17:01

So like I I repeated everything I saw.

SPEAKER_05 17:04

Oh everything. When you were when you were a kid though, did you have love for performing or was that not even a thought because of the things that was going on?

Acting Teaches Softness And Range

SPEAKER_00 17:13

I think uh I think my I watched a lot of performers at home. You know, my mom was a performer, my dad's a performer, like like not in a not in the technical sense, but you mean as a yeah, as a I mean just as people as people, like storytellers, my grandma's a huge performer. She was so confrontational, but make a big show out of it, like and needed everybody needed so much attention, and so I I just watched it and I would repeat that too. Like I would I would go to school and put these big shows on of how sick I was and I'm gonna throw up, get me out of here. Like I would and then, of course, too, like I had these heroes that I would watch growing up the Arnold Schwarzenegger, you know, the Denzel Washington, the Will Smith, the um who else was like uh um Bruce Willis? Like these guys, I wanted to be those guys. I wanted to be that I always saw them as a savage.

SPEAKER_04 18:06

Yeah, you know. Do you think that has like fueled you? I know you're we're gonna have to get to your acting in a little bit, but the fact that you're an actor now, did those experiences do you think help you help your acting now? Like are those I think you tap into in your performance?

SPEAKER_00 18:21

Yeah, I can definitely uh, you know, I can definitely tap into certain life experiences, you know. Like I can definitely go way darker than people I think they would assume. Yeah. Uh, and I know those guys, I know their psychology differently. Yeah, you know, because I grew up with I literally my best friend was a shooter, like blasting four people. Like, that's for real. Like, I I knew kidnappers, I knew savage savages. I knew savage savages that were laughing about I remember my dad's best friend would laugh about kidnapping people, spent almost all his life in prison. Dude was a his name was Crazy Dave, he's dead now, but a savage. And like I was like absorbing their their their dark psychology and watching them and how they move and how they brag about what they've done.

SPEAKER_05 19:03

And you can like tap into those though. Did that make you scared as a kid, or were you just like just um absorbing it?

SPEAKER_00 19:10

I was scared.

SPEAKER_05 19:11

Okay. I was scared because I feel like some kids wouldn't know if they're like, oh, this is, you know, like if especially if adults are laughing at a situation, it's like, oh, then maybe this isn't so bad, you know?

SPEAKER_00 19:21

I was scared, but I wanted to impress them. So I wanted to be like them. I wanted to show them that I fit within the tribe.

SPEAKER_02 19:29

You know?

SPEAKER_00 19:30

It's like I was like, oh, this is what a man does. Men are brutal, they they they do they dominate.

SPEAKER_05 19:37

There's no softness.

SPEAKER_00 19:38

No.

SPEAKER_04 19:39

You seem to be a little, you know, a little little, not I don't say soft, that's kind of rude, but I feel like you've like tapped into like your femme.

SPEAKER_05 19:45

You're femme, you're like everyone has the masculine and feminine side. And I feel like men and women should both have both have how do you think you were able to kind of tap into the one slight bit of a mama's boy.

SPEAKER_00 19:55

Okay, but that didn't really, I really that didn't help too much. It just gave my mom was a little bit just articulate around emotions. But when I actually learned about softness, it was in like theater in like my early 20s in New York City. Once I left that whole world behind and I watched people get positively reinforced for crying or for talking about being a victim or whatever, um, I was like, fuck, okay. Yeah, you know, I was like, okay, but at first I was uncomfortable, and then I was like, oh wow, I got a lot of whatever we're doing here.

SPEAKER_01 20:33

Yes.

SPEAKER_00 20:33

And so I was, I would like let it out. Um, and at times, like, yeah, there was like time I remember I like scared some people because I like went to some angry place where we were like doing an acting scene, and I scared my partner. And then like she literally was like, I'm I'm scared of this guy, you know? And I was like, Oh, but but they they wanted that because they were it was like a it was like a Meisner class. Um and so yeah, I just I don't know, I just learned slowly but surely through acting how to really well, you just can't be a good actor if you can't hit a range.

SPEAKER_01 21:09

Yeah, exactly.

SPEAKER_00 21:10

And if most men can't hit a range, especially come from what I'm coming from, because they the only emotion that is tolerated is rage.

SPEAKER_04 21:18

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 21:18

So it's a good point.

SPEAKER_04 21:19

Like I've talked to her, like even like we both act, and I have I'm still dealing with my my traumas, and I hate to cry. Like I still to this day have I don't know how many times you've like, I hate to cry. You have to know how like figure yourself out in order it with acting, right? You have to know how to tap into these different emotions, can't just be this monotone like comedy horror, which is my favorite thing because it's very easy, you know, yeah to scream and laugh.

SPEAKER_05 21:41

But yes, well, I mean, scream, yes, but laughing is hard. Like comedy is hard, and you do she's great at it. I don't know how she like she's so funny naturally. I don't know. Yes, but again, it's like we say we if if we don't laugh at our traumas, we cry, and that's okay too, but it's also finding the humor. In that and just knowing that into our craft. Yes. Right? 100%. But like as a what did the younger you think success was? Like, what was your example of that when you were growing up?

SPEAKER_00 22:14

Well, I remember when I started getting all lost on the journey and just being like all LA about it. My aunt, straight up fent meth addict, she like talked to me and she was like, Remember, Shane, when you just wanted to live a simple life and you just wanted some good friends around you, and that was it? She said, Go back to that. Because I wanted to sit there and brag about where I traveled. I was super young. But like I wanted to really sit back and just brag about achievements. Then none of them made me happier. Yeah. It really didn't. Like I think it genuinely does boil down to just like my relationship with community. Yeah. I mean, that's like there's nothing that beats that. And the guy who's always trying to beat everybody is not a strong community member.

SPEAKER_02 22:58

Right.

SPEAKER_00 22:59

I mean, there is healthy competition, but very rarely is he involved in that. Like exactly.

SPEAKER_04 23:04

Um, just to back up real quick, when did you start? Like when your passion for performing or acting, when did that at what age did you know you wanted to even dive into that?

SPEAKER_00 23:10

Well, I wanted to dive into it probably at like seven, but I didn't actually get into it.

SPEAKER_04 23:14

So I was- Oh, you always, as a child, even going through all this, you always knew this is something you wanted to do.

SPEAKER_00 23:19

Uh, one of the troubled youth counselors told me.

SPEAKER_04 23:22

Okay. He was like, You're a little performer.

SPEAKER_00 23:24

Well, he was just like, man, I was I was always in like ISS and stuff, and he told me, he's like, Oh, I want to see you in the movies, man.

SPEAKER_02 23:32

Oh.

SPEAKER_00 23:32

I was a little kid, and I was like, I want to be a monster because I love horror.

SPEAKER_02 23:36

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 23:36

Love horror. Don't ever forget to that screen. Don't want to forget about talking about it. Yeah, yeah. Absolutely love it. So, but when he said, and he said, No, no, no, I don't want to see you in a in a Jason mask. I want to see you. I want to see you and your face on the screen.

SPEAKER_04 23:49

And I was like, Like, I can do that. Yeah, you're like, do I want that? And then did you tell your parents that were they support like at what point were they supportive of that?

SPEAKER_05 24:00

I mean, they were gonna be supportive of Rip because they're just like if you're not getting in, but also if you're not getting in trouble then and you're doing that, I'm sure they're like, yes, let's push for that. Or like the famous kid, you know.

SPEAKER_00 24:13

I think well they're and they love stories. Yes. As as as as messed up as they as they are and were, like, at the end of the day, they're they're my fan. You know, they are I I and I will never say that either of my parents as and savages, I mean savages, what they did to me at certain times, but like they were always my fan and still are to this day. At this point, it's just different though. They they're like Of course, of course.

Dad Approval And New Motivation

SPEAKER_04 24:41

Well your dad's how how is your relationship with your parents? Your dad showed up an episode, right? What he came to like your screening?

SPEAKER_00 24:47

Oh my god, yeah. And um that was hardcore. That was hardcore. Like, they didn't show the super hardcore shit, and I just I think it didn't really match. Uh, but yeah, no, he he he told me all kinds of stuff, you know. He told me, you know, if my son can get off drugs, I can. Told me he was proud of me. These are nothing, he never said any of those things to me before. Uh-uh. Um, and but when he left, he said he saw how hard I work, and then I almost am a workaholic and just sometimes don't really have a life. And I'm and he just said, Hey man, I just want you to be happy, dude.

SPEAKER_02 25:23

Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 25:25

And then it was weird for me because I had uh a real beef with my dad. You know, I had a super beef with this dude. Um I wanted to annihilate him because he always told me I couldn't do a lot of shit when I was growing up. You ain't shit, this, that, the third. Even though he was my fan, um, I know he was deep now, just a little bit of a hater on the outside. Um, tough love. But like I always wanted to prove him wrong. That was my fuel source. But after he did all that, I didn't really have I had to get a more pure, I had to start developing a more pure uh fuel source because the fuel source I had had been tech. Yeah, it was like the I'll prove you wrong is which is good. You don't want that forever because then you constantly need some new figure to be that.

SPEAKER_04 26:09

Of course. Oh, yeah. I told you like a little bit, I worked for WWE for a long time. And before I got hired, well, I got offered the job and I said, absolutely not. I never watched wrestling, but when I was abused as a child, wrestling was always on in the background. So it was always like a trauma thing. Right. And then I decided how funny would it be if my abusers who are still watching wrestling see me pop up on their screen. Right. And that was my fuel like I'm gonna prove you wrong, I'm gonna show you. But that only goes so far before you have to start doing it for yourself. It feels good at first, though. Yeah, but it doesn't feel good. It always feels good to poke a little. But then you're what am I doing this for that? For like the, you know, the vindictive, I'll get you back, or for yourself. Exactly.

SPEAKER_00 26:49

And look, that's that's still better than doing than just becoming an abuser, right? It's like it's like a level one thing. It's like, and then we grow out of that one.

SPEAKER_02 26:57

Yep.

SPEAKER_00 26:58

But at a certain point, that was good fuel source, right? And it was, it was like, you know, because I couldn't have just jumped the the journey and my source, my my my fuel source, maybe yours probably similarly, but mine couldn't have just started out of a place of love. It wasn't gonna start there because I didn't know about that yet. Yeah, right. I knew about fuck you. How about that?

SPEAKER_02 27:15

Oh, wait, yeah, yeah.

The Night He Got Shot

SPEAKER_04 27:16

I'll show you, motherfucker. Yeah. Um, all right, I want to get into you getting shot. Okay, I know you've you've been open about this on the show. I was sorry, clearly you have a sense of humor because you have band-aid tattoos over your yeah, which I think is uh kind of iconic. Pretty iconic, yeah. Talk for those who don't know, run us run us through that. Your friend shot you, right? Your best friend.

SPEAKER_00 27:37

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 27:37

I uh you've just been every everywhere you look, people are just trying to just Right. That's I don't know why you don't have deep trust issues on the other side. Yeah, I'm like that a lot.

SPEAKER_00 27:46

Well taken. It was just a brutal, it's just what it you know, when you're having a a a tough time um with the family stuff, you know, and in and I was for sure. I kind of looked for it out and about, and then and I found um I found a chosen family um of criminals, and they were a little older than me, Derek and Dalton. They're both dead now. Love them dudes. Uh, but they brought me in and they showed me a new way of living, and I wanted to be just like these guys. They rob people, they smoke crack, and all they did was sleep with women. And that was the whole life. It's like, man, I was And 19. I was even younger by the time. I was I'm like, at this point, I'm like 15.

SPEAKER_04 28:38

Oh, okay. She knew these people for a while.

SPEAKER_00 28:40

Yeah, I've been in it. So, like, and then um I got locked up. I did seven months, I got out, and when I got out, they were still trying to little bro me, and I didn't really like it. So we got into a street fight, and and then our group split apart for a little while, and I went and got my childhood best friend involved with me. And I showed him the ropes. I showed him how to chop dope, how to cut dope, how to sell it, how to use it. He had never done drugs. I showed him the first drug he tried was crystal meth. Um, and I was like, Yeah, you feel like Superman, huh? And I was like, Yeah, bro. And he came from that type of home where he didn't feel safe. And I was like, I got you, bro. We're gonna feel like Superman. You just need crystal meth and a pistol, and you're gonna feel great. Yeah. And so that's kind of how we started living and robbing drug dealers and getting ingredients to cook meth. And um, you know, long story less long, we got into an alter, he got into an altercation and then he drug me into it, you know, and he got into an altercation at a party, um, and ended up destroying a bunch of people's cars, and then those guys were all looking for him. Um and he came and picked me up at like probably at that time, 3:30 a.m. And we went to go fight these guys, and we were outnumbered. We pulled his pistol out, and uh one of them ran in, stabbed him. I tried to tackle the dude that stabbed him, and then he shot me. And by accident, he tried to shoot. Oh, okay.

SPEAKER_04 30:13

So it was by accident. It was an accident. Okay.

SPEAKER_00 30:15

Yeah. So uh then he shot, then he did shoot the guy too. But uh, I actually think the bullet went through me and hit him. Wait, so how wait, how many times were you just I was actually I I thought it was three times, uh, but I think it was two times. So one came in and then shattered and went in a bunch of different directions. So it blew out the left lung and not the chest, and then uh and then hit the spine as well. Oof. But it could have been three because there's a bunch of little holes.

SPEAKER_05 30:40

Yeah, right.

SPEAKER_00 30:41

Uh, but then one hit the shoulder.

SPEAKER_04 30:43

Um you were tempted temporarily paralyzed, right? How long?

SPEAKER_00 30:47

Three months.

SPEAKER_04 30:48

And I mean, what was going on like what were the emotions going in through you? Were your buddies by your side during this? Or was it more like they were scared of like, did they get arrested at like yeah, everyone mostly everybody got arrested.

SPEAKER_00 30:58

Yeah, it was brutal.

SPEAKER_05 30:59

Did those people at the time like check in on you at all? Or were they well, not not everyone was in jail, right? Like the people who were not in jail who knew what happened to you, yeah, who were your quote unquote buddies, did they check on you or or did they kind of just stare clear because now they knew like what you were going through?

SPEAKER_00 31:17

No, no, no. They were they were present, a lot of people were angry on both sides, and luckily there was no round two. Um I think that I think that cooler heads prevailed. Not well, I'm sorry, I think fear prevailed. I think the main antagonists all went to jail very quickly. I think that people were fighting pretty nasty cases. Um and so the outsiders, because there was some shit talk, like oh, round two type talk, um which would have just led to people getting killed.

SPEAKER_05 31:55

Of course.

SPEAKER_00 31:56

Um but luckily people were scared of losing their lives in prison and uh they backed down for a little bit. Nobody made that first move, thank God.

SPEAKER_04 32:05

Right, right. And what did your parents think during all of this? When you're this happened to you, like what was going on?

SPEAKER_00 32:12

You know, I think um I think uh my dad was really worried. You know, he saw this lead up and he did try to warn me a lot. He's like, man, you're gonna you end up just like me, dude. You're not gonna be able to work. You're you're not gonna you're gonna be that nobody will hire you, man. Um and my mom wasn't super present at that time, but she came back, she was pretty devastated. I think a lot of it is like subconsciously somewhere. My dad did say that too when he showed up on the show. He's like, you know, that one hit me hard too. He's like, you know, if I was a better dad, maybe you wouldn't have got shot. Maybe. Maybe if we were out tossing the football around or something.

SPEAKER_04 32:51

Yeah, and yeah, and he knows something could have been different, but of course, you know, that is what it is.

SPEAKER_00 32:55

Um, but yeah, they were definitely my mom was ready for war, I can tell you that. For sure.

SPEAKER_01 33:01

Every mom was most mom was wouldn't be ready for your dad.

SPEAKER_04 33:06

Tell us uh your mom.

SPEAKER_00 33:08

My mom's a party or was a party girl. My mom's sober now. I think she's got like two months. Um, but my mom, uh very ferocious woman, but also life of party, uh, goofy, giggly, um fun.

SPEAKER_02 33:23

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 33:24

You know, that's uh and always loved me, but also had a real had her own issues with being honest, a lot of a lot of real issues with being honest with herself mostly. Um and uh it's probably decades of that, just not being able to tell herself the truth and and a lot of me uh uh suffering and battling with her at times and then going years without speaking with her, too. Um, but yeah, that's pretty much who she was and is. She's uh but she's definitely on the right track now.

SPEAKER_04 34:00

You think that's why you you hold so much value into being so like hyper honest, like you're because like she wasn't? That's something like you just hold a lot more like sacred, I guess, as being.

SPEAKER_05 34:12

Or is it something that maybe you learned that you wanted to teach them? Like maybe maybe they haven't been as honest to you. So you're like, okay, well, I want to be honest and transparent with you guys so you can feel safe to know that you could do the same with me.

SPEAKER_00 34:26

Well, my mom was used to be honest at one point. This is she was in uh program and she was sober in the early parts of my life, and um she rewarded honesty heavily, and I think that was very foundational for me. And then I watched her flip script and uh and then I was very resentful because addicts be doing what addicts do, and then she has zero capacity to me for honesty, and I think it will take her some time time to really look back and and see uh to really see it, maybe, but um, at least to me, she was super, super dishonest. But um, yeah, I think that also then, you know, program further reinforced uh being honest.

Survival Mode Then PTSD Shows Up

SPEAKER_04 35:21

Well, I feel like they've gotta be massively proud of you based on everything that you went through. I kind of imagine how proud they are of the man you have become. Yeah. We're gonna get into some lighter stuff. I know that's heavy. Thank you so much for opening up. I know that was tough. I don't know how often, you know, you talk about it on the show, but I know we dug a little deeper. So thank you. For sure. Um, after all of this that happened to you though, you apparently you went back and pursued modeling and entertainment. Do you think this was the stubbornness inside of you, hope, delusion, all three? Because didn't you book like some big campaign after the shot the shooting?

SPEAKER_00 35:50

Or well, I booked some runway shows, it was cool. I booked uh Baal Mont, I booked Lacoste.

SPEAKER_05 35:56

Um because yeah, because hold on, you were paralyzed. Let's not let's not forget. Right. Just how's you booked in the biggest? Yeah, and and so a few, so a few months you said you were paralyzed.

SPEAKER_00 36:07

Well, the costum was a was was in the same year that I was paralyzed.

SPEAKER_05 36:10

That's in that's incredible.

SPEAKER_04 36:11

That's that's the willpower, you know, that you have. Again, the the resilience change. Incredible.

SPEAKER_05 36:16

Yeah, did you did you think that you were gonna be able to you just step a motherfucker? We already know, like, like I don't know. What's the question I'm trying to ask? Like walking in that show, what were you thinking? Like three a few months ago, you didn't know if you were gonna be able to walk. And here you are walking in a show.

SPEAKER_00 36:34

I was just always in survival mode.

SPEAKER_05 36:36

Crazy.

SPEAKER_00 36:37

There wasn't, I didn't really start slowing down and really start feeling shit probably till years later. So it wasn't for me, it wasn't like other people around me were like in awe. I remember like sure I was with IMG, they were like, Yeah, they would like cry and shit. They would do all kinds, and me, I just wasn't there. I wasn't able to absorb, like I would just look at them be like, oh, okay, this is inspiring. Do y'all?

SPEAKER_05 36:57

Yeah, you're like, I'm just like doing what I'm supposed to do. Like there was no other option better and do this.

SPEAKER_00 37:02

I was shocked when I walked outside and there was like people taking pictures of me, and I was like, This is weird. This is weird. Y'all don't know I got shot. Y'all don't know that I was just selling guns. Y'all don't know I was making counterfeit money. Y'all don't know me. Y'all don't again, we talk about motherfuckers not knowing you. Of course, and these people didn't know me at all.

SPEAKER_05 37:23

Did that uh experience make you less afraid of things? Do you think? Like just to go for it. Like just to go for it. But I mean, I don't know if it's too much worse. Exactly.

SPEAKER_00 37:34

I think it was both, right? It's like, I think that there's many ways that I was just not scared of things because I had just seen a different level of catastrophe. But there was because I saw different levels of catastrophe, I had PTSD for sure, which I didn't believe in back then. It wasn't until years later. They were trying to tell me I had PTSD. It wasn't until years later that I believed it.

SPEAKER_05 37:55

Yeah. I was like, oh fuck. Like this is what it is.

SPEAKER_00 37:58

It's not normal to walk around my house at like 4 a.m. convince somebody's in here with me.

SPEAKER_05 38:02

Right.

SPEAKER_00 38:03

You know what I mean? Like that was some weird, like, I was like, oh, no, looking back, I was like, dude, this is some weird like Vietnam style shit.

SPEAKER_04 38:09

Right. And that's how you were able to break, bravo. Exactly. Seriously. Oh my gosh. Nothing. Ramo can't throw anything at you.

SPEAKER_02 38:19

Yo.

Sobriety In LA And Kratom Truth

SPEAKER_04 38:19

Oh my god. Okay, what else do you want to talk about? You mentioned that a few times, uh, your sobriety.

SPEAKER_00 38:23

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 38:24

Uh, when did you become sober? From that from alcohol.

SPEAKER_00 38:28

It's been an off and on battle. Um probably since 19. I actually got when I got shot, I was actually nine months sober.

SPEAKER_02 38:40

Oh, wow.

SPEAKER_00 38:41

Um off everything. And then I relapsed after getting shot, of course, on a bunch of opioids. And then I got sober for real my first time at 22. And I've never drank again since then. I've never done it. No, I was. I had too many demons. I'm 33.

SPEAKER_02 38:56

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 38:57

I had too many demons when I drank. Yeah. I just can't do it. I can't. I knew that anything I touched else, I was like, but this is gonna get me sent to jail. I just know it. So I just never did I never touched alcohol again. It scared me too much. And I never touched crystal meth again because I knew I would just I knew I would spiral. I just knew I was like, I'm gonna go to prison. Yeah. And I now I'm a model, I'm just too good looking, I'm too injured. Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 39:23

You kill it. You cannot, yeah, you cannot go to jail.

SPEAKER_00 39:27

I don't have the same connections or friend rooms. I'm like, I'm solo dough as like a very hot injured guy. It's not gonna work. Um so, anyways, yeah. I uh what the fuck, where are we heading?

SPEAKER_04 39:40

Uh why you became sober. Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 39:43

So then uh uh then I relapsed three years later on a bunch of uh Kratom and psychedelics.

SPEAKER_04 39:49

Uh just all Kratom just got pulled off of uh all the shelves or taking all Kratom down. Thank God it's it's an opioid fucking opioid.

SPEAKER_00 39:58

Yeah, but like a lot of people a lot of people.

SPEAKER_05 40:01

LA just opened a Kratom bar. That's crazy.

SPEAKER_00 40:04

A lot of addicts defend it to the day they're dead right now, and I was one of them.

SPEAKER_02 40:09

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 40:09

I was one of them. If you're if you're one of them, bro, if you're one of those guys who got off heroin or you got off this or that of the third, like, bro, like I get it, it's better than that, but there's a better, cleaner life. Yes, you know, outside of that. So yeah, I that's what I relapsed on, and then it and then I had a girlfriend break up with me over my erratic behavior when I was 27, and um, and then I got clean again for like two years and then relapsed again. So now I got like three and a half years.

SPEAKER_05 40:43

Okay, well, it's incredible. Yeah, it's a journey. It's a lot of fun.

SPEAKER_00 40:45

So the journey is for me, the journey's been over a decade long.

SPEAKER_05 40:48

Been a long journey. What's the hardest thing about being sober in an environment like LA, nightlife, entertainment, and now because people reality shows it on your Bravo.

SPEAKER_04 41:00

I mean, see those scenes with everyone getting hammered. It's hard for people to understand that you can go out and have a good time and not partake in substances. I personally am a social drinker. I don't want to go out if I don't have a cocktail in my hand, otherwise, I don't want to talk to anybody.

SPEAKER_00 41:15

Sure.

SPEAKER_04 41:16

You know?

SPEAKER_00 41:16

Yeah, it's uh it's not it's not always the easiest, but I luckily I haven't drank in so long that I don't really have those urges, but I do have other coping mechanisms to work on, like, which is like any style of like just like constant, like intriguing with women in order to that that's my drink.

SPEAKER_04 41:35

So women is your that's your drug.

SPEAKER_00 41:37

That's my dr. Yeah. So I'm smoking women and shooting them up and still and I'm like women.

SPEAKER_05 41:42

Oh wow, she does. Everyone's gonna be like, I love that. Okay, calm down. Calm down, ladies.

SPEAKER_03 41:50

Okay.

Triggers And Talking Himself Back

SPEAKER_04 41:51

Um, so you also share it. This is uh during this moment when your dad came and watched your uh movie or your your was it's a short, whatever, what the premium that you did. Um, that you were kind of taught about your triggers in that moment too, a little bit with him being there. Does the stuff like that kind of bring you?

SPEAKER_00 42:09

Yeah, oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. That that was a bigger trigger to use.

SPEAKER_05 42:13

Was it instant?

SPEAKER_00 42:14

Like as soon as you you I was on the way to pick him up at the airport, and I stopped at the store to get the cratem.

SPEAKER_05 42:20

Really? Okay.

SPEAKER_00 42:20

Yeah. I had it in my hand, put it back, pulled it back.

SPEAKER_04 42:24

What was what like how like how did you get out of it, you know?

SPEAKER_00 42:28

Because I I was doing the lying, I was doing that weird addict lying shit.

SPEAKER_02 42:32

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 42:32

And but then there was like enough of the sobriety in me to really just sit there and have a. I mean, I was like a like legit and mentally ill individual in the aisle, just basically talking to myself in my head. And then then I pulled Chad GPT in by the last part. I said, Is this a technically a relapse? And it was like, dude, but you are you already knew the answer.

SPEAKER_04 42:53

You just wanted them, you always want Chad GPT to tell us.

SPEAKER_00 42:55

Every once in a while it puts you in your place, though.

SPEAKER_04 42:57

It really does. I was asked, Don't be my friend right now. Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 43:01

Tell me exactly.

SPEAKER_04 43:02

Tell me the truth.

SPEAKER_05 43:03

Tell me honesty.

SPEAKER_00 43:04

Now, when it comes with sobriety, it was not playing games, though. Like, there's many times where it's like, you're doing great. And it's like, no, I'm not. I just cheated. Right? Right.

SPEAKER_04 43:12

I hit somebody with my car. But they should have been walking on the sidewalk.

SPEAKER_00 43:16

This is building character in your life.

SPEAKER_04 43:18

Exactly.

SPEAKER_00 43:18

And you've helped them build character.

SPEAKER_04 43:20

Um, we had a wrap in about 10 minutes about so much like we talked to you for seven.

SPEAKER_05 43:23

I mean, we could literally chat forever and ever and ever.

SPEAKER_04 43:26

Let's get to I'm gonna talk about what you're doing now, obviously, besides Vanderpump Rules, acting, projects you're working on right now. Yeah, tell us everything.

SPEAKER_00 43:34

So yeah, so um obviously the acting thing is great. I just had uh a vertical drop today on Good Short called Um Emily's Glow Up.

SPEAKER_04 43:43

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 43:43

Uh, where I play uh the lead protagonist, and I have like three more dropping, one on Drama Box. Um, but for me, the most interesting things that I'm working on is really two things. Nine Lives is actually the name of a script I've been watching. Working on for a long time. Um, that we're trying to get developed and produced, uh, which is about my life story. So that's that's kind of the main main mission.

SPEAKER_02 44:09

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 44:09

And then we have a side quest mission um that hopefully Vanderpump will actually be able to film, which is my directorial debut. Um, that's based around a sci-fi thriller. Oh yeah. I can't give the secret away because it's a good thing. I feel Kayla Ryan.

SPEAKER_05 44:26

That's the script. Yeah, I feel Kayla next year, you know, and I just want to like get into horror.

Horror Favorites And Freddy Love

SPEAKER_04 44:32

At least I want to know. Of all time. Old middle, whatever, favorite horror maybe of all time.

SPEAKER_00 44:39

Well, I I would have to say that the thing that has impacted my life the most has to be Nightmare on Elm Street.

SPEAKER_04 44:45

Oh, yes.

SPEAKER_00 44:46

Because to me, it's just sorry.

SPEAKER_04 44:49

I love her.

SPEAKER_00 44:50

It's just so ahead of its time, though. You know, I mean, this is where it gets nerdy. But like, it's, I don't know, of like all the slashers, which I look, I love it.

SPEAKER_04 44:59

You're gonna give like a Freddie Krueger thing right now. Like a very Freddy. You're hot Freddie. We gotta get you some money.

SPEAKER_00 45:09

Oh my god, that's so true. We need the hat. Literally, yeah, literally. Yeah. Um, I mean, I know they're offense.

SPEAKER_05 45:16

I think I have the hat another one. I don't watch them, but I know what they're wearing.

SPEAKER_00 45:19

I recover, I'm like Freddie, I recovered from my burn room. Yeah. Um but um, yeah, Freddie's probably the one.

SPEAKER_04 45:28

He is. He's he's so funny too. He's he's such a comedian. Oh, yeah, sure. She will watch scare. She's so funny. She's a shooter. She hates horror movies, and she uh you've seen a substance, right? It's not really a horror movie. No, I know if you got a subject. I watched a substance with the blinds open. I'm like, and that's the one of these that happened.

SPEAKER_05 45:49

Well, I don't know. People were like saying so many different things, and so I have to watch it for myself to understand if for me it's a thriller, horror, slasher, like whatever. You got it. And so those things movies I I watched during the day. You saw Blackphone 2.

SPEAKER_00 46:03

You saw Sinners?

SPEAKER_04 46:04

Yeah, yes. Esau Sinners? Yes. Sinners. Oh, yes. Esau Sinners.

SPEAKER_00 46:07

That's not scary.

SPEAKER_05 46:08

No, no, no, not Sinners. I didn't think Sinners was like scary, but like, what was the other one? Black phone was scary. Black phone was scary. Yeah. I definitely like watched most of it like this. Right, right. Because I feel, I don't know, I feel like if I can't see the whole thing, it's not as scary.

SPEAKER_00 46:21

I know so many girls that believe this. Yes. And then and then It's scarier though, because now you're actually more engulfed. Like you're in the closet. And the killer's right there. Like you're actually role-playing now.

SPEAKER_05 46:32

No, it's funny because like she she'll jump, but I know, obviously, like we all know when something scary is about to happen, the music drops, it's a little too quiet, it's blah blah blah. So I already know what's about to come. So like I'm prepared already. But then she jumps, and I'm like, yeah, and I'm like, what the f and she's like, she's like, I she's like, I kind of just like it. I'm like, you psychopath.

SPEAKER_04 46:53

I mean, I'm really psyched at a night to salt him. I cannot.

SPEAKER_05 46:57

I mean, but I do fall asleep to like watching Dateline. That's true. Yeah, I do watch that person.

SPEAKER_00 47:02

That's more, yeah, no, because that makes me more paranoid about people.

SPEAKER_05 47:05

I know, I don't know.

SPEAKER_00 47:06

That lasts. That lasts, because when you're like walking in nighttime, you're like, oh, everybody's a serial killer now.

SPEAKER_04 47:11

Yes. Oh, I mean, literally, we might have one in our studio right now. Right, literally. Okay, so gonna look out for this production, direct roll debut. You supplement company that you're telling me about.

SPEAKER_00 47:23

Is that something that oh yeah, nine labs supplement company? Oh, that's nine lives. Yeah.

Rapid Fire And Reality TV Skills

SPEAKER_04 47:27

Um, okay. Well, I'm gonna do a quick uh rapid fire with you before we go. Literally, if it's another hour, I have 20,000 more questions. Be easy, yeah. I know. Um, okay. A reality TV skill, nobody tells you that you need.

SPEAKER_00 47:41

Wow, they do tell you you need to be thick skinned, but what do you not need? What do you not need? What nobody tells you. Um it's a hard one.

SPEAKER_05 47:49

That's a tough one.

SPEAKER_00 47:50

That's a that's like a deeper one.

SPEAKER_04 47:52

Um you need to know not to look straight into the camera.

SPEAKER_00 47:59

Don't look straight into the camera. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 48:01

I would be probably telling you that. But like I'd be full like Jim Hopper, like style like looking to say we're fighting, and then I'm like, yeah. You start winking at the camera.

SPEAKER_00 48:11

Oh, you start breaking the fourth wall, man. Like, can you believe this is the moment in which I knew she was nuts?

SPEAKER_05 48:16

But it happens on this podcast all the time. All the time. All the time. Okay, something fans would be shocked to know you're actually insecure about. Yeah, if you don't get insecure.

SPEAKER_00 48:26

I am in I actually am insecure about like the gunshot wounds because I I do like have like half of a peck missing. Okay. So I actually am pretty insecure about it. Um and while I'm honest about it, I'm definitely in my real life insecure about like ED when it strikes. Okay.

SPEAKER_04 48:46

Um appreciate the honor.

SPEAKER_00 48:49

Um yeah, I would say those are probably the main ones.

SPEAKER_04 48:52

Those are good ones. Yeah, that was a good one. Your toxic trait.

SPEAKER_00 48:56

Toxic trait, uh, definitely where does the list even end there?

SPEAKER_04 49:01

Email us a list, we'll post you. Yeah, yeah. And women will be obsessed with you anyway. Exactly. I can change it. Like, they'll be like, I love it.

SPEAKER_00 49:09

Have one, hit me up. I don't mind your ED. I'm non-judgmental. I was like, you're talk sweet to me.

SPEAKER_02 49:15

Oh my god.

SPEAKER_00 49:16

I'm a workaholic, um, and I have serious commitment issues.

SPEAKER_05 49:21

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 49:22

Um, that would probably my biggest toxic traits.

SPEAKER_05 49:25

Don't worry, you're gonna be able to redeem yourself. What's your greenest flag?

SPEAKER_00 49:28

My greenest flag, I'm empathic as fuck. And honest, and honest as hell. And I um I'm uh I'm I feel like I'm of service. This isn't necessarily in the dating market, but just like I do feel like I'm an I'm a man, a community man at heart. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 49:47

A role you'd kill to play. Dream role.

SPEAKER_00 49:51

Yo, fit me. I just those are too big, those are too big a shoes to fill right there. Um Robert England killed that. But I would say uh a role that I would die for probably would be like a uh euphoria. I hate what happened on there. Like I hate that that um I hate uh God. It's it's messing me up, but the the drug dealer kid Ashtray gets killed in the finale of uh the last season. Um and then obviously, you know, there was an overdose too in real life. In real life, so both of their both of their storylines are gone. Um, but I would love to possibly be in um in that story as kind of an individual who's trying to survive. Any type of survival. Put me in, coach. Like put me in as a survivor. Yes, yeah, absolutely.

SPEAKER_05 50:48

No pun intended. One thing sobriety made better immediately.

SPEAKER_00 50:56

Um, well, um more being well, I can't say no more being unstable, but memory. I have memory. Um I'm not I'm able to be honest. I just can't be honest if I'm drinking a drug and I just can't do it.

SPEAKER_04 51:16

I get that. What what uh one thing made it that made it harder being sober?

SPEAKER_00 51:20

One thing that probably uh spitting game was very difficult.

SPEAKER_04 51:25

Like I thought your game's already better sober. You probably thought it was better when you weren't sober.

SPEAKER_00 51:30

I think it was too upfront.

SPEAKER_04 51:32

It was like it was like your goggles, you know?

SPEAKER_00 51:33

Like you probably thought that you were really on some shit.

SPEAKER_04 51:36

She was at a party last night, and a guy went up to her and hugged her and said, He literally hugged me and was like, Oh my god, good to see you.

SPEAKER_05 51:42

And at first I was like, Oh, good to see you too. And then he went away and he goes, You don't know who I am, huh? And I said, No, I don't. And then I said, Do you know who I am? He's like, actually, I don't. I just wanted to like give you a hug and say you're hot. And I'm like, give me your number one. And then he was like, give me, he was like, What's your Instagram? He's like, I'm gonna be the hottest guy. Yeah, yeah. He's like, I'm the hottest guy in there because I was going there and he was leaving. And I was just like, Ew. Blame it on Abba. Blame it on. I was like, do that sober.

SPEAKER_00 52:12

I hope you wouldn't do that sober. No, no, no, no. I my whole game is becoming friends.

SPEAKER_04 52:19

I want to be a fly in the wall. Let's wait, fly in the wall and watch him go spit games. I would love that. Yes, you'll be able to do that.

SPEAKER_05 52:25

We'll just make sure we're there and we can know we're there, but like we won't see us. Like, we just I just you'll hear us. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 52:31

I thought I I thought I was spitting game this whole time.

Dating Disasters And Catfish Defense

SPEAKER_04 52:35

I guess not. Okay, worst state in LA. What oh my god.

SPEAKER_00 52:41

Oh god.

SPEAKER_04 52:42

He's like, there's so many. That's gonna be our second and last question. I just want to worst state story.

SPEAKER_00 52:47

Oh, fuck. What was like there's some I mean, look, I hate to say, but it's like getting catfished is pretty brutal.

SPEAKER_05 52:53

If you get but it's are you meeting them on like either Instagram or a dating app?

SPEAKER_00 53:00

Well, yeah, that's that's where not I haven't met a girl on a dating app in a minute. But like back in the day, of course, and especially, I mean, come on, during the uh whole COVID era, that was all you had.

SPEAKER_05 53:10

Right, right.

SPEAKER_00 53:10

That was your whole device.

SPEAKER_05 53:11

Yeah, yeah. I was on every single one too.

SPEAKER_00 53:13

Yeah, like that's so no, I got I got hit. Oh god, I got hit.

SPEAKER_05 53:19

How did you react when you saw her? Like, did she know dates first now? Yeah, like did I did a I started doing that basically FaceTime dates first.

SPEAKER_00 53:27

That's mandatory.

SPEAKER_05 53:28

Because I was like, okay, cool, like you are a vibe and I vibe with you. Like now we can, and if I didn't, I'd be like, oh my god, I can't hear you and then just hang up and my phone's dead. And my you're blocked.

SPEAKER_00 53:40

Oh yeah, you gotta block it. You're blocked. And then it sucks when you take that level of rejection if you're on the other side, but that's low-key.

Three Words For This Chapter

SPEAKER_05 53:48

Like that, don't catfish, be like straight up. Exactly. Just be straight up. Okay, okay, we'll ask we're wrapping. Describe this chapter of your life in three words.

SPEAKER_00 53:57

This chapter?

SPEAKER_05 53:58

Yes.

SPEAKER_00 53:59

Uh, alignment, um, trust. Love that. And um curiosity.

SPEAKER_02 54:13

I like that.

Thanks And Final Thoughts

SPEAKER_04 54:14

I like that. I love that. Well, Shane, thank you so much. We'll have to bring you back on to ask the rest of our million questions. Um but we both wish you all the best. It's been really cool getting to see your story and your journey. We can't wait to see it unfold more.

SPEAKER_05 54:25

Yes, thank you so much for being open and transparent and sharing all these things. And I hope everyone who's listening, if you're out there and you're struggling with something, I hope that they can take something from you and learn. Yes. Um, and just I want everyone to remember that milk and honey is the ingredients that you need for the best tasting tea in Los Angeles. That's right, guys. Or anywhere. Thank you so much, Jane. Yes, thank you. All right, peace out, vivo. See you next time. Bye.