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This week on Milk & Honeys, Kayla and Vanessa sit down with comedian Papp Johnson for a hilarious and surprisingly honest conversation about chasing your dreams in one of the toughest industries on the planet.

Papp shares what it was really like competing on Kevin Hart's Netflix comedy competition series Funny AF, including the pressure of performing for celebrity judges, the feedback that stuck with him, and how he handled the highs and lows after the show aired.

We also dive into the reality of being a working comedian in Los Angeles, dealing with rejection, staying motivated when success doesn't come as quickly as you'd like, and the goals Papp still has for his career. Plus, Papp opens up about his upbringing, early comedy influences, and the moments that made him fall in love with making people laugh.

It's funny, heartfelt, messy, and everything you'd want from a conversation with one of comedy's rising stars.

Follow Papp Johnson: @PappmfJohnson

Welcome Pat Johnson

SPEAKER_03

All right, everybody. Welcome. Welcome back to Milk and Honeys. Today is a very special and a fun one because we have a good friend of ours, comedian Pat Johnson, here with us. Yes. Oh, you're gonna say his name the way they said it on Funny AF, remember?

SPEAKER_02

Oh.

SPEAKER_03

Well, you're when your name was announced on that, I sound like Vanessa. Yeah, it was like Pat Johnson.

SPEAKER_02

There we go. He's a stand-up writer, storyteller, professional menace. And you may have just seen him on Kevin Hart's Netflix comedy competition show, Funny AF.

SPEAKER_03

And I've known Pat for quite some time. Uh, we've talked about Love Island together. Uh, but listen, if there's no one who hustles as much as this guy, he's got an incredible career, and I'm excited to finally roast him as a friend here on Milk and Honeys. Again, Pat, welcome to Milk and Honey. Welcome.

SPEAKER_01

Well, thank y'all for having me. This is my camera drive. We're good.

SPEAKER_03

I think we lean on a bigger chair for you. That's all right. Do you feel comfortable? If you need to like stretch your legs out a little bit, you can.

SPEAKER_01

You know, this is nice. Thank y'all for inviting me to y'all's miniature studio.

SPEAKER_03

Um, you know, first of all, again, you and I did our little podcast together. We hung out a few times at the comedy clubs. Uh, how old does it feel seeing me right now in this professional setting? Are you so impressed?

SPEAKER_01

No, I always knew you were a professional. I was always confused by why you were hanging out with us.

SPEAKER_03

Oh. I think I felt really like I had to because of Martin Morrow, you know, that I was forced to hang out.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, it was like a make a wish.

SPEAKER_02

Well, the wish is over. Also, it's like I well, also I met you as a friend first at her birthday, her karaoke birthday. Which was very interesting.

SPEAKER_03

We're not gonna go too deep into that.

SPEAKER_02

I'll never forget meeting, you know, two of Kayla's friends who happen to both be black men and the person, we'll talk

Thoughtful Stupidity Defined

SPEAKER_02

about that off camera. Anyway, stop for people who but also, but like for people who may be meeting you for the first time, uh, describe your comedy.

SPEAKER_01

Um, that's hard to asshole.

SPEAKER_04

Ooh, I love that.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, like if you if you like being like a as I say, cheeky, cheeky bastard. Little cheeky bastard, then yeah, you would like my comedy.

SPEAKER_03

You used the phrase like thoughtful stupidity, right? Yeah. So explain kind of what that means.

SPEAKER_01

Just stupid stuff, but with the with actual thought behind it.

SPEAKER_02

Yep, yep. When did you realize um that being like, you know, funny? Obviously, like at parties and stuff like that could actually be a career for you.

SPEAKER_01

Uh when I was failing in school.

SPEAKER_03

Okay.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, I was like, hmm, maybe I should transition to something else.

SPEAKER_03

But were you like the kid in school that was like always getting in trouble for like being a class clown?

SPEAKER_01

And yeah, I was always funny, but then I went to school, like college in New Orleans, and I was on set as an extra. Oh. And I had everybody cracking up, and I was like, Stop. And one of the guys was like, Man, you really need to pursue that. And then I was kind of like, all right, I've never met this person before, but they like they believe in me so much that maybe I should try to pursue it. And then, yeah.

SPEAKER_03

This complete stranger who I've never talked to in my life, who could be a serial killer, escape escape from prison, said, This is what I should do with my life. I'm doing it.

SPEAKER_01

Because I had them dying laughing for like eight hours on set.

SPEAKER_03

Okay.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah. Shout out to uh Jim Carrey and my man Ewan McGregor. Okay. Because it was the set of uh I love you, Philip Morris. Oh, yeah, yeah. That's amazing. Yeah, so since it's Pride Month, you know, I'm kind of like a queer icon. Yeah, you are an ally. He's an ally.

SPEAKER_03

Okay, I do want to like back things up because I mean I know you from what I know, you from the computer, you know each other. But what was baby pap like? I mean, five feet tall. Uh, but beyond that, what were you like as a kid?

SPEAKER_01

I've been the same person my whole life. So yeah, it's just a tiny version, just like, yo, if you met me as a kid, you'd be like, this is an asshole. Like, get this kid away from you.

SPEAKER_02

Did your family think that too? Like with comedy, or were that were they like, oh, wait, he actually has something? Or do they tell you, like, just go do insurance? She, you know.

SPEAKER_01

No, my mom supports me in anything. She loves me. I'm I'm her I'm her prize.

SPEAKER_02

I love that.

SPEAKER_01

But yeah, my family just enjoyed it. They just like, you so silly.

SPEAKER_02

But did they think that you could actually you could really take it to where you've gone to?

SPEAKER_01

My family didn't believe this was a career at all.

SPEAKER_02

Right, right.

SPEAKER_01

But they always supported me. My aunt, she always supported me to come out to shows like way early.

SPEAKER_02

Like I love way early.

SPEAKER_01

Just show up to a bar, just like, okay, it's my here's my nephew go. I got my drink. Thank you for your drink ticket, you know? Yeah. So I know I've always been supported, and uh, it's always been fun for me.

SPEAKER_03

And that support is so important when you are chasing a career as crazy as the one all of us is, you know, model actress, broadcaster, comedian. It's probably a tough pill to swallow for a lot of our family members who are the boomer generation. Yeah. You gotta like, you know, work like with their hands every day. So I mean that support does help get you a little further.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, but I always tell them I never wanted y'all lies. Like, you ever seen somebody go work a nine to five? You'd be like, uh, this is this don't look like it's worth it at all.

SPEAKER_03

Well, have you ever worked nine to five?

SPEAKER_01

Yeah,

Day Jobs And Pizza Life

SPEAKER_01

yeah, yeah. That's how I know that shit is not.

SPEAKER_03

Yeah, how's your nine to five?

SPEAKER_01

I done did everything. Okay, been a pizza, the pizza man was my favorite.

SPEAKER_02

Oh, yeah, I could were you delivering or making the pizzas?

SPEAKER_01

Well, a little bit of both. A little bit of both. If it's slow, yeah, I'll be in there. I'm not gonna make a pizza, but I'll be in there, I'll help out. But like, yeah, driving around, meeting new people, uh, smoking a lot of weed.

SPEAKER_03

That's gonna be a fun, like when you write your when, which absolutely won't your first like comedy, like the story of your life as a pizza boy. That's how it should start.

SPEAKER_01

Oh, yeah, it was amazing, especially being a pizza man in Oakland. Oh, and it was like run by like um some foreigners. So they'd be like, Oh, we got a delivery over here. And I'd be like, nah, nah, don't send nobody over there. Like, oh yeah. It's 12 pieces. No, don't do that, don't do that. I'm not going. Call them back.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, tell them they can come pick it up. Yeah, trust me. I I got lost a couple of times in Oakland in high school. And I remember like one of my one time I finally found my friend's house, and he was like, Hey, don't get out of the car until you see me come out of my door and wave you in. And I'm like, okay. And so I sat there and then I got in. I was like, what the hell was that all about? He's like, if I'm not out there and you're walking the street, you may not make it across the across the street to my house. I'm like, period, thank you so much. I appreciate that. Here we go.

SPEAKER_03

I just had my first experience with the bae during Super Bowl weekend with her, and I had, you know, a few altercations while we were there, like at the party with those girls.

SPEAKER_02

Oh, yes.

SPEAKER_03

I'm coming, I'm coming for you.

SPEAKER_02

And and meanwhile, like me and my boyfriend Ozzie are like, you're just in the bay, babe.

SPEAKER_03

I'm from Alabama. Everyone's nice there. Yeah. Here, I'm trying to take a picture. These girls are making fun of me. I'm like, what the hell is this about?

SPEAKER_02

Like, they didn't want us to take a picture, so they kept taking pictures so that we couldn't take a picture.

SPEAKER_03

Of us taking pictures.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, my being a bully at 35 years old. What the hell is that? And my boyfriend's like, Cholas, I'm leaving you guys. Goodbye.

SPEAKER_01

Now I understand why you and Martin get along. Y'all both got short fuses.

SPEAKER_03

Maybe it was like the short people's syndrome. So good people's syndrome. Okay, back to back to

Oakland Energy And Short Fuses

SPEAKER_03

baby pap. So you mentioned comedians, obviously, that helped, you know, kind of shape you today. When you were little, do you remember watching any comedians on TV that you thought, damn, I'll like I can do that, or I want to do that?

SPEAKER_01

Um, no, but when I was little, I found out that Eddie Murphy's birthday was the same day as mine.

SPEAKER_04

Okay.

SPEAKER_01

So that kind of yeah.

SPEAKER_04

And when is that?

SPEAKER_01

April 3rd.

SPEAKER_04

Oh.

SPEAKER_01

So I was like, okay, well, this is this is something to shoot for. Maybe, maybe it's in the stars. Yes, yes.

SPEAKER_03

Me and Prent have the same birthday, but we're on the same route in life.

SPEAKER_01

Okay, I see the similarities. Tiny light skins.

SPEAKER_02

I mean, just really Kathy. I'm like, all the Geminis are Gemini.

SPEAKER_03

My favorite color. So look at my shoes.

SPEAKER_02

I can't, I can't.

SPEAKER_03

She was purple for pride, okay? Uh so yeah, you talked a lot about growing up in a house, obviously, uh, with your mom who played both parents. Great joke, but

True Stories As Comedy Fuel

SPEAKER_03

yes. Um, how much of your real life ends up in your material?

SPEAKER_01

Everything I damn near everything I talk about is like a true story. And it's funny because my lady is always with me. So now she gets to see stuff like develop. So she's always like, ah, you're gonna make that into a joke, aren't you? Oh, yes. Yes.

SPEAKER_02

Oh, I love that. Has anything for you ever been too personal to put on stage, or you're just like, fuck it, I'm I'm putting it all, it's all a bit. It's all it.

SPEAKER_01

At the end of the day, I'm technically a clown. So if I can't, if I can't laugh at myself, then I'm I'm fucking up. I need to get out the game.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01

Because it's like, yeah, I don't take myself too seriously.

SPEAKER_02

For sure.

SPEAKER_01

That's when I realize, like, oh, you're tripping. It's like, relax, bro.

SPEAKER_03

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01

Relax. You didn't do anything today.

SPEAKER_03

Right. I think a lot of comedians, I mean, I I've dabbled, you know, dipped my toe in, you know, the comedy thing. Wasn't necessarily for me, but I do think a lot of comedians maybe struggle a little bit with like being so authentic to themselves on stage because it is like you are just exposing everything about yourself. And even me when I've like written jokes, I have a lot of jokes I've written on my notepads that I feel like I'm not ready to say. But I think once you get comfortable with like, hey, this is my life, let me laugh at it. Here you go, take it or leave it. That's when you know, I feel like you see your star rise.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, yeah. And once you live life, you know, people that you look up to, they also have problems. Everybody got problems, everybody going through shit.

SPEAKER_04

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01

So if you can make light of it, the problems aren't as heavy.

SPEAKER_04

Yeah, right.

SPEAKER_01

And that's the whole point of jokes is to be like, oh yeah, this happened to me. I experienced this. I still live through it. I'm still good today. I'm gonna be good tomorrow. Yes.

SPEAKER_03

So I always have power. Like if you have the power, no one else can laugh at you for these things because you laughed at it already. Right.

SPEAKER_01

I always tell people when the easiest way to shut somebody up is when somebody be like, hey, fuck you. You just be like, You right. And they'd be like, oh. Well, then they're really thinking, you know.

SPEAKER_02

I never thought about it like that. Oh, okay. Okay. I mean, yeah, if you can't, if you can't laugh at it, then you're gonna cry. And we don't want to cry. No. I mean, it's it's always good to cry, let it out, but like, you know, not not in that sense. I love a good cry. I love a good cry. I love a good cry. Yeah.

The Best Cry And Grief

SPEAKER_01

Okay, well what's your favorite, your favorite cry ever?

SPEAKER_02

Ooh. Like kind of cry? Like what kind, yeah, like, or like when, like a specific moment.

SPEAKER_01

Either or it was an open-ended question.

SPEAKER_03

Oh shit. Also, who's interviewing who?

SPEAKER_02

Well, yeah, I would say I would say probably like this. But the best cry I ever had probably was when my dad died.

SPEAKER_03

Look what you just did.

SPEAKER_02

Look what you did. I like my lovey daddy, he knows. But like, that probably was the best cry. I'm like, I'm like, I wish I had that on camera because I'd be like, I need to go back and study that cry because that cry was good. Like, I don't know what I did. I was punching people. Oh shit. I was, yeah, I was like, I threw up. I yeah, I was I was living in my friend's house in New York. Yeah, I like I was doing all sorts of crazy shit when I found out that he passed. And I think that's the best cry of my life, you know what I mean?

SPEAKER_01

That was like an ayahuasca. Yeah, exactly. We went on a journey.

SPEAKER_02

Okay, but enough about

Getting On Netflix With Kevin Hart

SPEAKER_02

us. Let's talk about funny AF. Okay, when you found out you were selected for Kevin Hart's Netflix comedy competition, what was that moment honestly like?

SPEAKER_01

It felt good. I just laughed. I just laughed so uh because I was like, yo, uh, I'm about to be on Netflix. Yes, about to be stupid, yeah.

SPEAKER_03

And stupid but huge, and with a name attached to it as big as Kevin Hart.

SPEAKER_01

So it was like, oh, okay, you're getting stuff. You it was like one of those moments where it's like, oh, it all was for something.

SPEAKER_02

Exactly.

SPEAKER_01

Everything was for something. And I felt like I had just got past on something else. And it was kind of just like, oh yeah. Sometimes you don't get shit because bigger things are on the horizon.

SPEAKER_02

So was that pretty validating for you, or or did the panic set in pretty quickly when you're like, uh, oh shit.

SPEAKER_01

There was no panic because it was like, yo, period. No matter what, I'm gonna be on Netflix, which means I've already somebody I took an acting class one time. Actually, I was forced into an acting class because I was bombing commercial auditions so bad.

SPEAKER_02

Oh, commercial auditions.

SPEAKER_01

One time they were like, uh, can you get on your mark? And I was like, What's that? Is that the are you talking about the tape? They were like, yes.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03

The only mark on the sage.

SPEAKER_01

And then afterwards, they were like, Oh yeah, kids we signed you up for some classes. Um, but he told me, once you get selected, even like a callback, you beat 10,000 people out.

SPEAKER_02

Exactly.

SPEAKER_01

So, like anytime you get something, especially in Hollywood, it's like, oh, like you beat out a gazillion people.

SPEAKER_04

Yep.

SPEAKER_01

So be happy about that.

SPEAKER_04

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01

Um, so yeah, I was like, oh, okay, I just beat out a bunch of people, like the world. Now I'm gonna be on Netflix. This is gonna be so silly. Yeah, no matter how it goes. So fortunately it went well.

SPEAKER_03

So yeah, yeah, of course. Well, obviously it's LA, you know, especially the LA episode. It's full of killers, okay? There's a lot of great comments here. And I know obviously, you know, you're very cool, calm, collected, confident. But were you intimidated just a little bit? Like, you know, there was a pretty stacked crew up there.

SPEAKER_04

No, not at all.

SPEAKER_02

I mean, I mean, you see Kevin Hart and Tom Sagar just like sitting there, is it almost like you know what? I'm about to make y'all laugh or not.

SPEAKER_01

Well, I knew a lot of people from the LA thing, so it's like you're a bunch of those people. Yeah, I felt very comfortable. Um, but I've always just wanted to be on good shows. So that that none of that should be intimidating. It should be like, oh.

SPEAKER_03

You belong there.

SPEAKER_01

I'm here. Yeah, I'm here, I'm in the arena. Let's let's get to it. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03

Have you met Kevin Hart prior ever?

SPEAKER_01

No.

SPEAKER_03

You never worked with him or anything before?

SPEAKER_01

No. But Kevin Hart, I know he's a great businessman. He's he he works, his work ethic, it has to be immaculate. Because when the show was like running, it was like he had DraftKings, he was selling uh selling alcohol, he's got Taco Bell commercials. I was like, how you do all of this shit? Yeah. Because I was exhausted just being on set for one day, two days. Of course. I was like, okay, the work ethic is really there, and that's something to really be like marvel at. Um, Tom Segura, I'd be like, uh they asked me about him. I was like, well, yeah, I know you can't beat me in basketball.

SPEAKER_03

That's all that matters. I mean Kevin might, yeah.

SPEAKER_02

I mean, you know.

SPEAKER_01

He is an all-star game uh MVP.

SPEAKER_02

So there you go. What was the difference, uh, the biggest difference between doing a normal club, uh, a set rather than being on set with multiple camera angles and all competition style environment?

Cameras, Waiting, And Picking Jokes

SPEAKER_01

Uh there isn't a lot of time to prepare. It's a lot of like sitting around and waiting.

SPEAKER_02

Yep.

SPEAKER_01

Whereas if you're at the club or like, you know, most of the time you just go somewhere by yourself.

SPEAKER_02

Right.

SPEAKER_01

I do my visualizations, which I go through my set and then hit the stage.

SPEAKER_03

So, how did you decide on like what material you were going to do? Because I mean I'm curious, how long did it take you to like land on the jokes that you told?

SPEAKER_01

Uh, the first set, I just told a bunch of jokes that I thought I'll, you know, would be funny.

SPEAKER_02

I mean, the John Cena one was incredible.

SPEAKER_03

And also, I said this, and I don't know, but like I feel like you knew your audience going into it. Even telling that joke, knowing that Kevin, they've worked together before, was that intentional because of that? Because he was dying over there.

SPEAKER_01

No, I just really wanted to tell that joke. I'm a great joke. I had been telling that joke for like two, three weeks leading up. I was also kind of mad at John Cena because I auditioned for Peacemaker.

SPEAKER_03

Oh.

SPEAKER_01

And then they gave the role to Tim Meadows.

SPEAKER_03

Well, you know, Tim Meadows.

SPEAKER_01

Yes, of course you knew. Leon Phelps, the ladies. Okay. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. So I was like, I was like, why the fuck you got me auditioning for this? So that's where that joke came from, is from spite.

SPEAKER_03

Okay.

Judges’ Reactions And Being Coachable

SPEAKER_03

All right, so you joked online about being a bubble spot and about judges frying you. So you got feedback in real time. What was that like?

SPEAKER_01

I didn't get feedback in real time.

SPEAKER_03

Well, you didn't get feedback. No, we were we were watching it in real time. Yeah. But when you watched it back, what was that like to see like their immediate reaction to your set?

SPEAKER_01

I was just like, for sure.

SPEAKER_03

Yeah, you took it, you took it.

SPEAKER_01

Like you Yeah, I remember I had well, y'all don't know. I had months to process it.

SPEAKER_04

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01

After I had performed and all that, and I felt like I was like, okay. Like, I was like, ah, I had a bad set. And my manager was like, he had a good set. Because I record everything.

SPEAKER_04

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01

I played it back, I had a good set. I know where I fucked up at. And I've have been able to accept that. So when people saw it, or when I saw the judges, I was just like, for sure. Also, it's like, this is Chelsea Handler, one of the top in the game, especially money-wise. Kevin Hart, top of the game. So I was just like, this is a this is a time for me to be coachable and actually take the criticism and just be like, for show, if that's they didn't say I wasn't funny.

SPEAKER_04

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01

You know, I was like, maybe he built me up and I didn't live up to that expectation. That's fine. How can I get better? And that's all I'm doing.

SPEAKER_03

Do you think they aired your best stuff and what we saw?

SPEAKER_01

No.

SPEAKER_03

Because the second one, I was like, wait, I feel like on the callback, I was like, wait a minute. I know Pat. Yeah. We were like, I know Pat. Oh, wait, no, wait, no, wait a minute. Exactly.

SPEAKER_01

But it's TV. So that's what I'm fine with is that it's crazy. I was talking about it with somebody else. I was like, people know me now from the show, but I lost.

SPEAKER_04

Right.

SPEAKER_01

So people know me from supposedly my biggest loss.

SPEAKER_04

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01

And no one really talks about it. They just be like, oh, the John Cedar joke. People like, well, I love that. They was telling me, keep going, you're funny. So it's like it at the time it felt like it was the world coming down on me. But like literally after a few hours, it was like, you're gonna live through this. And now it's like you're still being celebrated. Exactly.

SPEAKER_03

Literally on a Netflix show. Yeah, like Kevin, like that is top of the top. Like literally the top of the top.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah. So it's like, hey, bruh, you're in a position where a gazillion people wish they could have been at. Absolutely. Even the people that was on the show with you at the LA shit. So it's like, hey, bruh, like, really just live in a good mindset. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah. So what did Kevin Hart saying that he uh, you know, knows everybody's material and won't forget people who were on the show? What does that mean to you?

SPEAKER_03

He's never, he's all he's always gonna remember you.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, yeah. I mean, I'm also a big ass nigga. I'm I'm pretty unforgettable.

SPEAKER_03

I love that.

SPEAKER_01

So um, yeah, it's gonna be it's gonna be cool, I guess.

SPEAKER_03

Yeah, I mean, you have such a unique comedy style. I haven't seen anyone, I mean, I've gone to tons of comedy shows, I watched comedy all the time. I haven't heard anyone like you, and I think that's hard to say because there are a lot of comics who do sound very similar to each other because that's just kind of that's how it is. There's no one like you. That's because he's from Oakland. And also because you're seven foot tall. Wait, didn't you have a like a long game, a long NBA series you're just playing?

SPEAKER_01

And now you're sitting here in our Yeah, yeah, yeah. I got one more game to lose before.

SPEAKER_02

Oh my god. What what did you learn about yourself in that experience?

SPEAKER_01

In that experience, I know that I'm really good.

SPEAKER_02

Yes.

SPEAKER_01

That's all that really taught me is like, okay, I'm amongst the best of the best, and I can hold my own. Uh the industry clearly fucks with me. Yeah, or else I wouldn't have been on there. And um, yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02

Oh, I love that. The the industry fucks with me. Well, all the things then I clearly wouldn't have been on there. That's such a that's so good. I love that.

SPEAKER_03

Yeah, you're respected. Yeah, you know, that's that's getting the especially in Los Angeles. Can only imagine how competitive competitive is in this town with comedy. If you're respected in that way, that's huge. Yeah,

The 10-Year Grind And Mindset

SPEAKER_03

right. Yeah, but you've been doing comedy for over a decade. Okay. Um, what does a grind actually look like for people who only saw the Netflix part of you? Like, what has it actually been like for the last 10 years?

SPEAKER_02

Like, how many times are you performing a week?

SPEAKER_01

Uh, I perform pretty often now. Yeah. But you know, it's it's hit or miss. That's just it. Like, if you're not a known comedian, even if you are a known comedian, it's always gonna be hit or miss. I think in anything it's hit or miss. Like, we know people are entrepreneurs or freelancers, and it's like you have a good month and you have a dry month. So it's just constantly believing in yourself. And I try to tell comedians, because now they be asked me, like, well, what do you got any advice for me? I'll be like, nigga, I don't know what the fuck I'm doing. But I always tell them, like, hey man, everything matters, and it's all about your mindset. Yeah, like if it means something to you in your mind, it's going to eventually uh be something later on.

SPEAKER_03

Yeah, I mean, you're a testament to that. Yeah. So when you say there's like good months, bad months, what's like a good month or a good week like for a comedian versus a bad one?

SPEAKER_01

A good week would probably be like six, seven shows.

SPEAKER_02

Wow, that's a lot.

SPEAKER_03

Are you performing the same material during that time or are you like just switching it up?

SPEAKER_01

Uh I'm trying to work on doing the same material for like a month or two. Yes. Just to like work all the kinks out so then I can have sets since I don't have to start traveling. So and they're gonna want, you know, 45 minute sets.

SPEAKER_02

Of course.

SPEAKER_00

Um, but I guess in New York that would be considered like because New York be like, man, if you're not doing 20 shows a week, you're not grinding.

SPEAKER_02

Right.

SPEAKER_01

But you know, most of those shows is in somebody's living room or at a bar on, you know, a rooftop.

SPEAKER_02

I mean, you've done iconic stages, you've done comedy store, laugh factory, improv, the stand in New York festivals.

Nerves Versus Excitement On Stage

SPEAKER_03

Before we ask a question, I wrote it earlier before he answered me 25 times. Do you still get nervous? Do you? Uh that's gonna say no, but the thing's gonna shut me. Down.

SPEAKER_02

No, I mean, yeah, but I get excited. I get I get which is the same as nerves. Excitement energy is the same as nervous energy, but our mind makes it nervous instead of excitement. So it's great if you can channel your nerves into excitement because they are technically the same thing. It's just our brain telling us one thing or another, which is kind of crazy.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah. I mean, y'all both do live events. You and Model, WWE, and you a model. I seen you out on the beaches and period. But you know, like you prepared, you know what you're doing, but it's a live event. So the excitement of like, oh, we're in a different place, there is, there's you can't predict what's gonna happen. You know, you know what you're gonna bring, but you don't know how the atmosphere is gonna be. Yeah. And that's what makes it excited.

SPEAKER_03

That was probably the I think the most nervous. I mean, yes, I've done live events and TV for many years, but like doing a show, there's nothing that's made me more nervous in my entire life. And here, I and I had something good. I could not even imagine. But here's the thing I had an advantage because everyone who was at my show were already fans of mine from WWE. So they're gonna laugh no matter what, right? No matter how bad I was, they're gonna laugh. That is not the case for like a lot of comedians. You walk into a room with maybe people who've never seen you before, and you have to make them laugh. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01

You don't have to.

SPEAKER_03

I mean, you don't even like I mean, like the goal is to make them laugh.

SPEAKER_02

I will never forget going to see a friend of mine do stand-up comedy, and now she's actually really funny. But this was this was her first one, and she bombed so bad, and all of us, like there was like five of us sitting there, and we were just like, fuck, like we want to laugh because like it's our friend, but also she even knew it too at the time, and obviously make a made a joke about it after, but it's like, oh, like we were just like rooting so hard for her, and I'm like, oh my god, this is not good, like, and then it just keeps getting worse and worse and worse, you know, because you're trying to like find it, find it, and it's not there, she's gone. She's like, she's in Oakland and we're in LA, you know what I mean?

SPEAKER_01

Like, nothing better than seeing somebody try to dig themselves out of the house. And it gets deeper.

SPEAKER_03

It's like, bro, I don't want to know them because it makes me feel bad. I know, then it's like that. There was a girl, I don't know what her name was. I went to a um God, after I think I went to a big comedian town, but he had a girl open for him. I never heard of her. Um, it was one of the worst sets I'd ever. I had to get up and I go to the bar. But I felt so bad for her because she's up there doing something people or no, like tons of people would never be able to do, myself included. But sitting in the audience, and you're just like, shh, just just you gotta like you, it's like a visceral, like yes.

SPEAKER_02

Well, speaking of that, do you think LA is the most

LA Competition And Where Talent Lives

SPEAKER_02

competitive? Or you think there's other places? Well, you said New York is like if you're not doing 20, so maybe New York is. But do you would you say it's uh supportive or more competitive?

SPEAKER_01

LA is the most competitive place on earth. This is where everybody who becomes somebody somewhere else comes to be. Right. This is the big pool, this is the ocean. So uh yeah, I would say this is the most competitive. I'll not necessarily uh the most talented or saturated, but um you don't think LA is the most talented?

SPEAKER_03

Where would you say what city has the most talented? That New York?

SPEAKER_01

I mean, I feel at this point in time it might be Chicago.

SPEAKER_03

Chicago, yeah.

SPEAKER_01

Just because most of the people you see on television are from Chicago.

SPEAKER_03

Uh-huh.

SPEAKER_01

So I I would say, you know, Chicago. New York has good people, has really good people. Um, everywhere has their own little pockets, but no matter what, once they become whoever the fuck they are over there, they're gonna come now. They're gonna come here to Hollywood.

SPEAKER_02

Okay.

SPEAKER_01

And then that's when that's when they're gonna be like, oh, okay.

SPEAKER_02

And do you think that's because of the name?

SPEAKER_01

It's because this is the Mecca.

SPEAKER_03

It's the Mecca. Everyone's talented, everyone is funny, everyone is networking.

SPEAKER_01

No matter what, I've been around the world. When people say they want to come to America, they're talking about LA.

SPEAKER_03

LA.

SPEAKER_01

They're not talking about New York, they're not talking about the Bay, they're talking about LA. They want to be with the stars.

SPEAKER_03

Yeah. So well, for

Big Goals: Movies And A Cartoon

SPEAKER_03

you, uh, what are your personal goals right now? You've already done Netflix, you want a special, be in a writing room, acting, touring, producing your own shit. I mean, obviously, you have a natural storytelling style, as we've all seen. So I maybe acting and scripted projects in your future.

SPEAKER_01

Yes, yes. I I really want to make movies. I think my my biggest goal is to get this cartoon going. I love cartoons. I grew up.

SPEAKER_03

Well, you're working on a cartoon.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, I'm working on it.

SPEAKER_02

Have you told us about this?

SPEAKER_01

No, I have not.

SPEAKER_02

Well, do you are you also like is Milk and Honey is gonna be a voice in it? Like, we have to have us on there.

SPEAKER_01

Well, I'll figure out a way to make sure that's a good one.

SPEAKER_03

Well, then they can change an episode where like I was visiting a podcast studio.

SPEAKER_02

Yes, so then it's uh the cartoon has to have a podcast studio. Right.

SPEAKER_01

Yes.

SPEAKER_02

But I mean, you've you've already been featured on Comedy Central.

SPEAKER_04

Yes.

SPEAKER_02

Um, you've done your album Timeless, and you're building your own world. What uh project thus far are you the most proud of?

SPEAKER_03

Um besides funny F.

SPEAKER_01

I'm very proud of Timeless. I'm very proud of Timeless because it was right after the pandemic and I wasn't sure if I should do it. And my lady was like, Do it. Yeah, she was like, if you don't do it now, what the what the fuck are we doing?

SPEAKER_02

That is what we call a support system. Kudos to your girlfriend.

SPEAKER_01

So I was able to get like 16, 17 people in a in a room like this and do my 30 minutes, and it got me to Netflix.

SPEAKER_02

Period. Yes.

SPEAKER_03

Now, is there any work that you've done that you wish more people had seen that we get more eyeballs on?

SPEAKER_01

At the time, yes, I thought so, but the right people saw it. Yeah, and that's what that taught me. It's like, hey, well, just relax. You do the work, the things that you want will come to you.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, yep.

SPEAKER_01

Stop worrying about everything.

SPEAKER_02

What's your dream comedy career if everything goes right, everything aligns?

SPEAKER_03

We all date careers like this, right? Like the yeah, absolutely.

SPEAKER_01

My dream career thing would be um this cartoon running for like 20 years.

SPEAKER_03

Fuck yeah.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, because a cartoon, I I don't gotta, I could age. I could age, but my cartoon don't gotta age.

SPEAKER_03

You and you go in there give me the Matt Griffin.

SPEAKER_02

Is it maybe me on this?

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, and the merch. Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, but the merch, but also the actual like filming of it and recording of it is like a voiceover with it. It's a couple hours. Yeah, it's a couple hours. Right? No, no, no. One episode, no, no, no. It's like I've been there, okay? Trust me. It's a couple hours, and you're getting paid as if you were on set for a commercial that you were there for 12 hours plus because they went over time. Do you know what I mean? It's I am in the wrong way. The time, the time of it is so insane. A voiceover work.

SPEAKER_01

And I get to be silly. I watch Hugh Jackman be do voice active.

SPEAKER_02

It's amazing.

SPEAKER_01

He's he's really like shirt off just you really get to get into it.

SPEAKER_02

You know what I mean? We really need to have uh we should you should write a show that is. You should write a show of the behind the scenes of making a cartoon.

SPEAKER_01

That would be like that.

SPEAKER_02

Like seeing what people do, like taking your shop, but like trying to get those voices. I would that would be so funny. Actually, you don't do it. We're gonna do it.

SPEAKER_04

We're gonna do it.

Timeless Pride And Trusting Timing

SPEAKER_03

Um we are 40 minutes

Love Island Takes And Insecurity

SPEAKER_03

of the show. We were gonna talk Love Island, we're gonna have to wait for this for another time. Uh, for those who don't know, we had our Love Island podcast. We might bring it back, we might not. Um to you. Yeah, well, we will. We'll get back into it, but we gotta talk more about you. But we'll say one one live island, one Love Island session.

SPEAKER_02

Because she can't help herself.

SPEAKER_03

It's such a good show.

SPEAKER_02

And I'm I'm over here being like, finally, we have journalism. Let's talk journalism. Love islands. Love islands.

SPEAKER_03

What is your take on just USA? What is your take on this season so far?

SPEAKER_01

Uh it might have jumped the shark a little bit.

SPEAKER_03

What do you mean?

SPEAKER_01

Uh they're trying very hard to try to top last season.

SPEAKER_03

They're trying to replicate, yeah. Even with uh, what's her name? He's like ever since she's a new huda. Um Melanie. Melanie.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, I mean, we finding out a lot of things about Melody, though. Apparently, she used to be a plus size model.

SPEAKER_03

But she was a model, you know? So I think, you know, she still was like working her, you know.

SPEAKER_02

I mean, I I still why do you think that's such a big thing? No.

SPEAKER_03

This is not an opportunity. Well, what did I say earlier? I said I said people were saying she starved for attention. Well, I didn't even let that.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, I was like, oh, that's a going. That's a good one.

SPEAKER_02

I'm so sorry. I just laughed so loud in everybody's ears. Um I apologize.

SPEAKER_03

But why do you think like if you were dating a girl, like a cute little petite girl, and then you found out later that she used to be a really big girl, would that affect how you felt about her at all? If you like hadn't known? Because I think that's what people are kind of assuming, like, oh, sincere, you know, she's like, I don't to me that doesn't matter.

SPEAKER_02

But I don't know, a guy's perspective. Like, what do you think?

SPEAKER_01

Uh for the guy, it doesn't matter, but for the girl, it matters. That's her whole world. Like her, it's not that she's she's who she is right now, she's always going to be the lady she was before.

SPEAKER_04

Yeah. Right.

SPEAKER_01

And so that's how I see it is that she's still reacting in uh this is gonna sound bad, in the plus size model way.

SPEAKER_03

Mind size.

SPEAKER_01

She's very defensive, she's very insecure about when other women are around because she still feels sure like the plus she still feels like she's going to be a second option or not just a model. She's a plus size model. Like so she's all you can see how she moves. There's a there's an insecurity about her looks and her appearance and about who she is that will always come out.

SPEAKER_03

Of course.

SPEAKER_01

Um, no matter what. Yeah. And that's something she has to it's a her thing, it's not anybody else's thing.

SPEAKER_03

Because she's beautiful then, she's beautiful now. Right. But you're right, the way she moves is and it's it's affecting other people in the villa because we're having a tiptoe around her emotions. And none of them even know why. Because not like anybody, and they're probably even new.

SPEAKER_02

But I will say, like, she she is taking accountability for those emotions, at least from what I saw in like the last episode, I think she kind of, you know, uh said an apology in a way of why she was feeling a certain way. Like, I don't know. I feel like it's her trying to to to apologize and say, but who knows? The season is just beginning.

SPEAKER_01

So how how do you feel about people that punch you in the face and then be like, sorry, I punched you in the face. And then they do it again.

SPEAKER_03

I'm sorry.

SPEAKER_01

And then when you'd be like, stop punching me, and they'd be like, What are you in there?

SPEAKER_03

I need 10. No, that's two. Okay, fine, go. Give me 10. I'll just that was a crazy. That was crazy and hold up, but no, that is, she said it so many times.

SPEAKER_02

I was like, she's about to crash out. She, yeah, I was like, she is about to go in the ocean and never come back. Like she said, give her 10. She meant forever.

SPEAKER_01

And I was like, it didn't, it wasn't lost on me that it was them two beefing.

SPEAKER_03

Yeah. Of course. No, yeah, of course. Of course. And that's very yes. Okay, we're gonna go back to talking about you. We'll talk a

Quickfire Chaos And Closing Words

SPEAKER_03

little something. We're gonna do a few like quick questions. What's worse? Bombing on stage, or get this is actually kind of Love Island too, or getting what would be worse, bombing on stage or getting friend zone at the fire pit?

SPEAKER_01

Friend zoned, yeah. Friend zoned, yeah. Yeah, it's not is there's no way to backtrack that. Like a bomb, you'd be like, well, I'm gonna I'm gonna come at it again tomorrow, but the friend zone is like bro.

SPEAKER_02

I am not um well. This also, um, who would make the best comedian on the current cast? Who's the funniest?

SPEAKER_01

Um probably KC.

SPEAKER_03

I like KC. I like K. Of course you do. Why? I I like KC.

SPEAKER_01

It's funny because as soon as he popped up on the screen, my lady yelled out, he's gay!

SPEAKER_03

I don't care.

SPEAKER_01

And I was like, I was like, yo, like you I love the way he called her out, though.

SPEAKER_03

He probably is. Oh, yeah. Oh, I didn't know who he's like, girl.

SPEAKER_01

I love you, but but that's why we think KC might be gay. And the pink suit and the in the plants.

SPEAKER_02

Okay. Hey, maybe he's fluid.

SPEAKER_01

I was gonna say the the guy on the UK definitely.

SPEAKER_02

I'm gonna start that one. But if they're fluid, like you should, they should that should be a known thing. But he doesn't know it yet. They're 22 years old.

SPEAKER_01

Also, these kids are I think you know I know it's Pride Month, but uh as a man, you can't be fluid.

SPEAKER_02

Well, yes, but but I just I mean, you you can't like I know to the point where you're coming from is you're either like gay or straight, but there are men out there who are fluid and then they find women who are like, okay, yeah.

SPEAKER_01

I I've I've I feel you, you know? I feel you. You you're just a gay man now. Well, yeah, well, fuck ladies. Like, I can't like I don't think you and your lady gonna be out here kissing dicks together like this.

SPEAKER_03

I mean, no, hey, we're in Hollywood. We are in Hollywood. Uh okay, we're gonna we're gonna skip down here. Uh quick fire. I I need uh wait, we're gonna skip. One second. Let me get my bearings. Um we're gonna skip.

SPEAKER_04

Y'all need cue cards.

SPEAKER_03

No, I know. So this is what happens. I have to have cue cards, otherwise we're gonna get lost. Okay, wait. A standing ovation or a perfect first date. Wait, what? Oh, what would you prefer having? A standing ovation is a show. But he has a girlfriend, so it I guess this doesn't really apply. But let's imagine you were single back when you were 12. What? Maybe a little older. Wait, how long have you and your lady been together? A long time, right?

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, 13 years.

SPEAKER_03

Yeah, that's kind of how I said that.

SPEAKER_02

Oh, amazing. Okay, then fuck that question. Okay, Kevin Hart judging your set or Ariana Maddox judging your flirting.

SPEAKER_01

Ariana Maddox, she's kind of a I'm gonna have to say Kevin Hart. I mean, yeah, I was gonna say that too. I'm still kind of confused by why people be so into Ariana Maddox.

SPEAKER_02

Me too.

SPEAKER_01

But uh me too. She's no mamma jamma. I'll say that.

SPEAKER_03

I mean, I think we like her better blonde.

SPEAKER_01

I think I've I I heard her story. I understand why people support her.

SPEAKER_03

Well now we're moving on now. Now we've had way more scandals in reality TV. I don't know if you watch Summerhouse and shit's going down.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, yeah, yeah. So yeah.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, there's a lot.

SPEAKER_03

Would you rather have a joke that kills forever? Like John Cena? Also, who?

SPEAKER_02

Like, I feel like I feel like there's like uh there is like a a band practicing back there. So sorry.

SPEAKER_03

Would you rather have a joke that kills forever or a relationship that lasts forever?

SPEAKER_02

Well, I got both, so I know that's right. I know that's motherfucking right. Okay. Next one, even better. Be famous for comedy or famous for reality TV.

SPEAKER_03

I mean, once reality TV stars are getting 10 years.

SPEAKER_02

I mean, yeah, once you're famous being a reality television star, you can do whatever the fuck you want. So answer that carefully.

SPEAKER_01

I think reality TV, because then I don't necessarily have to work. I just gotta show up.

SPEAKER_03

And then it will help launch your company even more. But also look at Ace.

SPEAKER_01

It's like, yo, I could just walk red carpets and you know, yeah.

SPEAKER_03

Right? And get paid $100,000 to post the skincare in the don't exactly.

SPEAKER_01

What are you talking about?

SPEAKER_03

Orlandria is doing but she is a she is uh an anomaly. Holy cow. Yeah she deserved it though. I love Olandria. All right, worst place to bomb a comedy club, a first date, or a family function.

SPEAKER_01

Hmm. I'm gonna say a first date.

SPEAKER_03

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01

Because your family, they don't believe in you anyway.

SPEAKER_03

That part.

SPEAKER_01

So that part. They're like, I always knew it, nigga. Go take the trash.

SPEAKER_03

You famous, you you pay these bills, go take the trash out.

SPEAKER_01

So this is what you do. And I always say if you watch them show Seinfeld, he's a famous comedian. Yeah, nobody that he knows gives a fucking.

SPEAKER_03

He gives a shit. Right. I know.

SPEAKER_01

George Costanza is the most unsuccessful person. He's like, Oh, you're gonna do your little stuff.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01

And it's just like, yo, I'm fucking on NBC.

SPEAKER_03

Exactly. They keep you humble though.

SPEAKER_02

He's like, I'm getting my residuals for the rest of my life. My syndication.

SPEAKER_03

Yesterday I met I met an old friend from uh my childhood, first time I've seen her, probably in 15 years. Went to lunch yesterday. She's like, So what are you doing? I'm like, you know, like I've done this, that I've been in a few movies. She goes, Oh, like an extra? I was like, damn, she humbled me fast. But like people, like, no. I'm like, hey, they don't, they don't get it, they don't get it.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, but no. Like, I would have just been like, I didn't try to explain it. No. Anyway, what is your villain origin story in one sentence? Tall. That's a word.

SPEAKER_01

I'm trying to think of when I became a villain.

SPEAKER_03

Oh, you don't think you're a villain? That's the sentence.

SPEAKER_01

No, no, I said when did I become a villain? Oh, I know when. It was uh when somebody, it might have been preschool or kindergarten.

SPEAKER_03

I knew you were gonna go back there. I just wondered what else would happen.

SPEAKER_01

Uh, some some dumbass kid brought up a Batman action figure, and he was like, It's so cool, so cool. I was like, can he fly? He was like, he was like, Yeah. I was like, let me see. And then I threw this shit as hard as I possibly can into some bushes.

SPEAKER_03

Please write that in your cartoon. That belongs in your show. That is some mean shit.

SPEAKER_01

So, yeah, that's probably when I'm okay with that.

SPEAKER_03

Oh, I love that. Such a young age. All right, now we're gonna go a little more positive. Your dream headline five years from now. The headline about Pap Johnson. What's it saying?

SPEAKER_01

Died happy.

SPEAKER_03

Not what do you say today?

SPEAKER_01

Died happy.

SPEAKER_03

Died happy. We don't know when to die in a five year. What happens? Let's do a not death one.

SPEAKER_01

Uh, okay. He's like, well, Pap Johnson headlines the Met. Yeah, I'll tell you, shouts out to Mr. Russell from the Gilded Age.

SPEAKER_02

And finally, Mr. Pap Johnson, what do you want people to know about you right now?

SPEAKER_01

That I'm a lovable, sweet person.

SPEAKER_04

Who loves the stuff? Now tell the truth. Who loves thoughtful stuff?

SPEAKER_02

Now the truth who loves thoughtful stupidity all the time.

SPEAKER_03

So if you look into the camera, so we can clip this, tell the world about you.

SPEAKER_01

Everybody out there in TV land. I just want y'all to know um I fuck with y'all as much as you fuck with me. So if you don't fuck with me, I'll fuck with you.

SPEAKER_03

That is it. I mean that is it. You're the best. Honestly, this is a lot of fun, but I do really like respect and admire you. I think you're fucking badass. I will always say nice things to you, but this is the moment I will.

SPEAKER_01

That's a lot.

SPEAKER_03

I know you're I know your star is gonna climb, but I hope we can be right there with you.

SPEAKER_02

No, seriously, thank you so much for having us.

SPEAKER_03

And having us, you didn't have us.

SPEAKER_02

I mean, thank you so much for hanging with us. That's what I meant to say, not having us. You know, I always have to flub up my words at some point in the show, you know. I hadn't had one this show, so here we are. It's the white claws, the end of the show. Um, and you know, everyone go watch Pat, follow him. And if you see him at a show, please laugh loudly uh because comedians are emotionally fragile, and we need to protect them in Hollywood.

SPEAKER_03

Uh social medias, people can find you.

SPEAKER_01

P A P P M F Johnson on all the socials. All the socials. It's been a pleasure being on Oats and Honeys.

SPEAKER_03

One day he'll get right.

SPEAKER_02

And you know what? You know what, you guys? Sometimes the tea is steeping hot, but today it was just funny.

SPEAKER_03

Meh.

SPEAKER_02

Funny AF.

SPEAKER_03

Funny AF. There you go.

SPEAKER_02

We'll see you guys next week. Thanks for joining us on Milk and Honeys.

SPEAKER_03

Thanks for so much editing. Bye, guys.

SPEAKER_01

Do they know y'all just changed clothes or shapes and shut up?

SPEAKER_02

No, because usually I change my hair and today I didn't. I actually just put this one back. You see, so it's different. Oh my god.