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Episode 50: How Papp Johnson Survived Netflix's Funny AF
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This week on Milk & Honeys, Kayla and Vanessa sit down with comedian Papp Johnson for a hilarious and surprisingly honest conversation about chasing your dreams in one of the toughest industries on the planet.
Papp shares what it was really like competing on Kevin Hart's Netflix comedy competition series Funny AF, including the pressure of performing for celebrity judges, the feedback that stuck with him, and how he handled the highs and lows after the show aired.
We also dive into the reality of being a working comedian in Los Angeles, dealing with rejection, staying motivated when success doesn't come as quickly as you'd like, and the goals Papp still has for his career. Plus, Papp opens up about his upbringing, early comedy influences, and the moments that made him fall in love with making people laugh.
It's funny, heartfelt, messy, and everything you'd want from a conversation with one of comedy's rising stars.
Follow Papp Johnson: @PappmfJohnson
Welcome Pat Johnson
SPEAKER_03All right, everybody. Welcome. Welcome back to Milk and Honeys. Today is a very special and a fun one because we have a good friend of ours, comedian Pat Johnson, here with us. Yes. Oh, you're gonna say his name the way they said it on Funny AF, remember?
SPEAKER_02Oh.
SPEAKER_03Well, you're when your name was announced on that, I sound like Vanessa. Yeah, it was like Pat Johnson.
SPEAKER_02There we go. He's a stand-up writer, storyteller, professional menace. And you may have just seen him on Kevin Hart's Netflix comedy competition show, Funny AF.
SPEAKER_03And I've known Pat for quite some time. Uh, we've talked about Love Island together. Uh, but listen, if there's no one who hustles as much as this guy, he's got an incredible career, and I'm excited to finally roast him as a friend here on Milk and Honeys. Again, Pat, welcome to Milk and Honey. Welcome.
SPEAKER_01Well, thank y'all for having me. This is my camera drive. We're good.
SPEAKER_03I think we lean on a bigger chair for you. That's all right. Do you feel comfortable? If you need to like stretch your legs out a little bit, you can.
SPEAKER_01You know, this is nice. Thank y'all for inviting me to y'all's miniature studio.
SPEAKER_03Um, you know, first of all, again, you and I did our little podcast together. We hung out a few times at the comedy clubs. Uh, how old does it feel seeing me right now in this professional setting? Are you so impressed?
SPEAKER_01No, I always knew you were a professional. I was always confused by why you were hanging out with us.
SPEAKER_03Oh. I think I felt really like I had to because of Martin Morrow, you know, that I was forced to hang out.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, it was like a make a wish.
SPEAKER_02Well, the wish is over. Also, it's like I well, also I met you as a friend first at her birthday, her karaoke birthday. Which was very interesting.
SPEAKER_03We're not gonna go too deep into that.
SPEAKER_02I'll never forget meeting, you know, two of Kayla's friends who happen to both be black men and the person, we'll talk
Thoughtful Stupidity Defined
SPEAKER_02about that off camera. Anyway, stop for people who but also, but like for people who may be meeting you for the first time, uh, describe your comedy.
SPEAKER_01Um, that's hard to asshole.
SPEAKER_04Ooh, I love that.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, like if you if you like being like a as I say, cheeky, cheeky bastard. Little cheeky bastard, then yeah, you would like my comedy.
SPEAKER_03You used the phrase like thoughtful stupidity, right? Yeah. So explain kind of what that means.
SPEAKER_01Just stupid stuff, but with the with actual thought behind it.
SPEAKER_02Yep, yep. When did you realize um that being like, you know, funny? Obviously, like at parties and stuff like that could actually be a career for you.
SPEAKER_01Uh when I was failing in school.
SPEAKER_03Okay.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, I was like, hmm, maybe I should transition to something else.
SPEAKER_03But were you like the kid in school that was like always getting in trouble for like being a class clown?
SPEAKER_01And yeah, I was always funny, but then I went to school, like college in New Orleans, and I was on set as an extra. Oh. And I had everybody cracking up, and I was like, Stop. And one of the guys was like, Man, you really need to pursue that. And then I was kind of like, all right, I've never met this person before, but they like they believe in me so much that maybe I should try to pursue it. And then, yeah.
SPEAKER_03This complete stranger who I've never talked to in my life, who could be a serial killer, escape escape from prison, said, This is what I should do with my life. I'm doing it.
SPEAKER_01Because I had them dying laughing for like eight hours on set.
SPEAKER_03Okay.
SPEAKER_01Yeah. Shout out to uh Jim Carrey and my man Ewan McGregor. Okay. Because it was the set of uh I love you, Philip Morris. Oh, yeah, yeah. That's amazing. Yeah, so since it's Pride Month, you know, I'm kind of like a queer icon. Yeah, you are an ally. He's an ally.
SPEAKER_03Okay, I do want to like back things up because I mean I know you from what I know, you from the computer, you know each other. But what was baby pap like? I mean, five feet tall. Uh, but beyond that, what were you like as a kid?
SPEAKER_01I've been the same person my whole life. So yeah, it's just a tiny version, just like, yo, if you met me as a kid, you'd be like, this is an asshole. Like, get this kid away from you.
SPEAKER_02Did your family think that too? Like with comedy, or were that were they like, oh, wait, he actually has something? Or do they tell you, like, just go do insurance? She, you know.
SPEAKER_01No, my mom supports me in anything. She loves me. I'm I'm her I'm her prize.
SPEAKER_02I love that.
SPEAKER_01But yeah, my family just enjoyed it. They just like, you so silly.
SPEAKER_02But did they think that you could actually you could really take it to where you've gone to?
SPEAKER_01My family didn't believe this was a career at all.
SPEAKER_02Right, right.
SPEAKER_01But they always supported me. My aunt, she always supported me to come out to shows like way early.
SPEAKER_02Like I love way early.
SPEAKER_01Just show up to a bar, just like, okay, it's my here's my nephew go. I got my drink. Thank you for your drink ticket, you know? Yeah. So I know I've always been supported, and uh, it's always been fun for me.
SPEAKER_03And that support is so important when you are chasing a career as crazy as the one all of us is, you know, model actress, broadcaster, comedian. It's probably a tough pill to swallow for a lot of our family members who are the boomer generation. Yeah. You gotta like, you know, work like with their hands every day. So I mean that support does help get you a little further.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, but I always tell them I never wanted y'all lies. Like, you ever seen somebody go work a nine to five? You'd be like, uh, this is this don't look like it's worth it at all.
SPEAKER_03Well, have you ever worked nine to five?
SPEAKER_01Yeah,
Day Jobs And Pizza Life
SPEAKER_01yeah, yeah. That's how I know that shit is not.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, how's your nine to five?
SPEAKER_01I done did everything. Okay, been a pizza, the pizza man was my favorite.
SPEAKER_02Oh, yeah, I could were you delivering or making the pizzas?
SPEAKER_01Well, a little bit of both. A little bit of both. If it's slow, yeah, I'll be in there. I'm not gonna make a pizza, but I'll be in there, I'll help out. But like, yeah, driving around, meeting new people, uh, smoking a lot of weed.
SPEAKER_03That's gonna be a fun, like when you write your when, which absolutely won't your first like comedy, like the story of your life as a pizza boy. That's how it should start.
SPEAKER_01Oh, yeah, it was amazing, especially being a pizza man in Oakland. Oh, and it was like run by like um some foreigners. So they'd be like, Oh, we got a delivery over here. And I'd be like, nah, nah, don't send nobody over there. Like, oh yeah. It's 12 pieces. No, don't do that, don't do that. I'm not going. Call them back.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, tell them they can come pick it up. Yeah, trust me. I I got lost a couple of times in Oakland in high school. And I remember like one of my one time I finally found my friend's house, and he was like, Hey, don't get out of the car until you see me come out of my door and wave you in. And I'm like, okay. And so I sat there and then I got in. I was like, what the hell was that all about? He's like, if I'm not out there and you're walking the street, you may not make it across the across the street to my house. I'm like, period, thank you so much. I appreciate that. Here we go.
SPEAKER_03I just had my first experience with the bae during Super Bowl weekend with her, and I had, you know, a few altercations while we were there, like at the party with those girls.
SPEAKER_02Oh, yes.
SPEAKER_03I'm coming, I'm coming for you.
SPEAKER_02And and meanwhile, like me and my boyfriend Ozzie are like, you're just in the bay, babe.
SPEAKER_03I'm from Alabama. Everyone's nice there. Yeah. Here, I'm trying to take a picture. These girls are making fun of me. I'm like, what the hell is this about?
SPEAKER_02Like, they didn't want us to take a picture, so they kept taking pictures so that we couldn't take a picture.
SPEAKER_03Of us taking pictures.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, my being a bully at 35 years old. What the hell is that? And my boyfriend's like, Cholas, I'm leaving you guys. Goodbye.
SPEAKER_01Now I understand why you and Martin get along. Y'all both got short fuses.
SPEAKER_03Maybe it was like the short people's syndrome. So good people's syndrome. Okay, back to back to
Oakland Energy And Short Fuses
SPEAKER_03baby pap. So you mentioned comedians, obviously, that helped, you know, kind of shape you today. When you were little, do you remember watching any comedians on TV that you thought, damn, I'll like I can do that, or I want to do that?
SPEAKER_01Um, no, but when I was little, I found out that Eddie Murphy's birthday was the same day as mine.
SPEAKER_04Okay.
SPEAKER_01So that kind of yeah.
SPEAKER_04And when is that?
SPEAKER_01April 3rd.
SPEAKER_04Oh.
SPEAKER_01So I was like, okay, well, this is this is something to shoot for. Maybe, maybe it's in the stars. Yes, yes.
SPEAKER_03Me and Prent have the same birthday, but we're on the same route in life.
SPEAKER_01Okay, I see the similarities. Tiny light skins.
SPEAKER_02I mean, just really Kathy. I'm like, all the Geminis are Gemini.
SPEAKER_03My favorite color. So look at my shoes.
SPEAKER_02I can't, I can't.
SPEAKER_03She was purple for pride, okay? Uh so yeah, you talked a lot about growing up in a house, obviously, uh, with your mom who played both parents. Great joke, but
True Stories As Comedy Fuel
SPEAKER_03yes. Um, how much of your real life ends up in your material?
SPEAKER_01Everything I damn near everything I talk about is like a true story. And it's funny because my lady is always with me. So now she gets to see stuff like develop. So she's always like, ah, you're gonna make that into a joke, aren't you? Oh, yes. Yes.
SPEAKER_02Oh, I love that. Has anything for you ever been too personal to put on stage, or you're just like, fuck it, I'm I'm putting it all, it's all a bit. It's all it.
SPEAKER_01At the end of the day, I'm technically a clown. So if I can't, if I can't laugh at myself, then I'm I'm fucking up. I need to get out the game.
SPEAKER_02Yeah.
SPEAKER_01Because it's like, yeah, I don't take myself too seriously.
SPEAKER_02For sure.
SPEAKER_01That's when I realize, like, oh, you're tripping. It's like, relax, bro.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_01Relax. You didn't do anything today.
SPEAKER_03Right. I think a lot of comedians, I mean, I I've dabbled, you know, dipped my toe in, you know, the comedy thing. Wasn't necessarily for me, but I do think a lot of comedians maybe struggle a little bit with like being so authentic to themselves on stage because it is like you are just exposing everything about yourself. And even me when I've like written jokes, I have a lot of jokes I've written on my notepads that I feel like I'm not ready to say. But I think once you get comfortable with like, hey, this is my life, let me laugh at it. Here you go, take it or leave it. That's when you know, I feel like you see your star rise.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, yeah. And once you live life, you know, people that you look up to, they also have problems. Everybody got problems, everybody going through shit.
SPEAKER_04Yeah.
SPEAKER_01So if you can make light of it, the problems aren't as heavy.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, right.
SPEAKER_01And that's the whole point of jokes is to be like, oh yeah, this happened to me. I experienced this. I still live through it. I'm still good today. I'm gonna be good tomorrow. Yes.
SPEAKER_03So I always have power. Like if you have the power, no one else can laugh at you for these things because you laughed at it already. Right.
SPEAKER_01I always tell people when the easiest way to shut somebody up is when somebody be like, hey, fuck you. You just be like, You right. And they'd be like, oh. Well, then they're really thinking, you know.
SPEAKER_02I never thought about it like that. Oh, okay. Okay. I mean, yeah, if you can't, if you can't laugh at it, then you're gonna cry. And we don't want to cry. No. I mean, it's it's always good to cry, let it out, but like, you know, not not in that sense. I love a good cry. I love a good cry. I love a good cry. Yeah.
The Best Cry And Grief
SPEAKER_01Okay, well what's your favorite, your favorite cry ever?
SPEAKER_02Ooh. Like kind of cry? Like what kind, yeah, like, or like when, like a specific moment.
SPEAKER_01Either or it was an open-ended question.
SPEAKER_03Oh shit. Also, who's interviewing who?
SPEAKER_02Well, yeah, I would say I would say probably like this. But the best cry I ever had probably was when my dad died.
SPEAKER_03Look what you just did.
SPEAKER_02Look what you did. I like my lovey daddy, he knows. But like, that probably was the best cry. I'm like, I'm like, I wish I had that on camera because I'd be like, I need to go back and study that cry because that cry was good. Like, I don't know what I did. I was punching people. Oh shit. I was, yeah, I was like, I threw up. I yeah, I was I was living in my friend's house in New York. Yeah, I like I was doing all sorts of crazy shit when I found out that he passed. And I think that's the best cry of my life, you know what I mean?
SPEAKER_01That was like an ayahuasca. Yeah, exactly. We went on a journey.
SPEAKER_02Okay, but enough about
Getting On Netflix With Kevin Hart
SPEAKER_02us. Let's talk about funny AF. Okay, when you found out you were selected for Kevin Hart's Netflix comedy competition, what was that moment honestly like?
SPEAKER_01It felt good. I just laughed. I just laughed so uh because I was like, yo, uh, I'm about to be on Netflix. Yes, about to be stupid, yeah.
SPEAKER_03And stupid but huge, and with a name attached to it as big as Kevin Hart.
SPEAKER_01So it was like, oh, okay, you're getting stuff. You it was like one of those moments where it's like, oh, it all was for something.
SPEAKER_02Exactly.
SPEAKER_01Everything was for something. And I felt like I had just got past on something else. And it was kind of just like, oh yeah. Sometimes you don't get shit because bigger things are on the horizon.
SPEAKER_02So was that pretty validating for you, or or did the panic set in pretty quickly when you're like, uh, oh shit.
SPEAKER_01There was no panic because it was like, yo, period. No matter what, I'm gonna be on Netflix, which means I've already somebody I took an acting class one time. Actually, I was forced into an acting class because I was bombing commercial auditions so bad.
SPEAKER_02Oh, commercial auditions.
SPEAKER_01One time they were like, uh, can you get on your mark? And I was like, What's that? Is that the are you talking about the tape? They were like, yes.
SPEAKER_02Yeah.
SPEAKER_03The only mark on the sage.
SPEAKER_01And then afterwards, they were like, Oh yeah, kids we signed you up for some classes. Um, but he told me, once you get selected, even like a callback, you beat 10,000 people out.
SPEAKER_02Exactly.
SPEAKER_01So, like anytime you get something, especially in Hollywood, it's like, oh, like you beat out a gazillion people.
SPEAKER_04Yep.
SPEAKER_01So be happy about that.
SPEAKER_04Yeah.
SPEAKER_01Um, so yeah, I was like, oh, okay, I just beat out a bunch of people, like the world. Now I'm gonna be on Netflix. This is gonna be so silly. Yeah, no matter how it goes. So fortunately it went well.
SPEAKER_03So yeah, yeah, of course. Well, obviously it's LA, you know, especially the LA episode. It's full of killers, okay? There's a lot of great comments here. And I know obviously, you know, you're very cool, calm, collected, confident. But were you intimidated just a little bit? Like, you know, there was a pretty stacked crew up there.
SPEAKER_04No, not at all.
SPEAKER_02I mean, I mean, you see Kevin Hart and Tom Sagar just like sitting there, is it almost like you know what? I'm about to make y'all laugh or not.
SPEAKER_01Well, I knew a lot of people from the LA thing, so it's like you're a bunch of those people. Yeah, I felt very comfortable. Um, but I've always just wanted to be on good shows. So that that none of that should be intimidating. It should be like, oh.
SPEAKER_03You belong there.
SPEAKER_01I'm here. Yeah, I'm here, I'm in the arena. Let's let's get to it. Yeah.
SPEAKER_03Have you met Kevin Hart prior ever?
SPEAKER_01No.
SPEAKER_03You never worked with him or anything before?
SPEAKER_01No. But Kevin Hart, I know he's a great businessman. He's he he works, his work ethic, it has to be immaculate. Because when the show was like running, it was like he had DraftKings, he was selling uh selling alcohol, he's got Taco Bell commercials. I was like, how you do all of this shit? Yeah. Because I was exhausted just being on set for one day, two days. Of course. I was like, okay, the work ethic is really there, and that's something to really be like marvel at. Um, Tom Segura, I'd be like, uh they asked me about him. I was like, well, yeah, I know you can't beat me in basketball.
SPEAKER_03That's all that matters. I mean Kevin might, yeah.
SPEAKER_02I mean, you know.
SPEAKER_01He is an all-star game uh MVP.
SPEAKER_02So there you go. What was the difference, uh, the biggest difference between doing a normal club, uh, a set rather than being on set with multiple camera angles and all competition style environment?
Cameras, Waiting, And Picking Jokes
SPEAKER_01Uh there isn't a lot of time to prepare. It's a lot of like sitting around and waiting.
SPEAKER_02Yep.
SPEAKER_01Whereas if you're at the club or like, you know, most of the time you just go somewhere by yourself.
SPEAKER_02Right.
SPEAKER_01I do my visualizations, which I go through my set and then hit the stage.
SPEAKER_03So, how did you decide on like what material you were going to do? Because I mean I'm curious, how long did it take you to like land on the jokes that you told?
SPEAKER_01Uh, the first set, I just told a bunch of jokes that I thought I'll, you know, would be funny.
SPEAKER_02I mean, the John Cena one was incredible.
SPEAKER_03And also, I said this, and I don't know, but like I feel like you knew your audience going into it. Even telling that joke, knowing that Kevin, they've worked together before, was that intentional because of that? Because he was dying over there.
SPEAKER_01No, I just really wanted to tell that joke. I'm a great joke. I had been telling that joke for like two, three weeks leading up. I was also kind of mad at John Cena because I auditioned for Peacemaker.
SPEAKER_03Oh.
SPEAKER_01And then they gave the role to Tim Meadows.
SPEAKER_03Well, you know, Tim Meadows.
SPEAKER_01Yes, of course you knew. Leon Phelps, the ladies. Okay. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. So I was like, I was like, why the fuck you got me auditioning for this? So that's where that joke came from, is from spite.
SPEAKER_03Okay.
Judges’ Reactions And Being Coachable
SPEAKER_03All right, so you joked online about being a bubble spot and about judges frying you. So you got feedback in real time. What was that like?
SPEAKER_01I didn't get feedback in real time.
SPEAKER_03Well, you didn't get feedback. No, we were we were watching it in real time. Yeah. But when you watched it back, what was that like to see like their immediate reaction to your set?
SPEAKER_01I was just like, for sure.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, you took it, you took it.
SPEAKER_01Like you Yeah, I remember I had well, y'all don't know. I had months to process it.
SPEAKER_04Yeah.
SPEAKER_01After I had performed and all that, and I felt like I was like, okay. Like, I was like, ah, I had a bad set. And my manager was like, he had a good set. Because I record everything.
SPEAKER_04Yeah.
SPEAKER_01I played it back, I had a good set. I know where I fucked up at. And I've have been able to accept that. So when people saw it, or when I saw the judges, I was just like, for sure. Also, it's like, this is Chelsea Handler, one of the top in the game, especially money-wise. Kevin Hart, top of the game. So I was just like, this is a this is a time for me to be coachable and actually take the criticism and just be like, for show, if that's they didn't say I wasn't funny.
SPEAKER_04Yeah.
SPEAKER_01You know, I was like, maybe he built me up and I didn't live up to that expectation. That's fine. How can I get better? And that's all I'm doing.
SPEAKER_03Do you think they aired your best stuff and what we saw?
SPEAKER_01No.
SPEAKER_03Because the second one, I was like, wait, I feel like on the callback, I was like, wait a minute. I know Pat. Yeah. We were like, I know Pat. Oh, wait, no, wait, no, wait a minute. Exactly.
SPEAKER_01But it's TV. So that's what I'm fine with is that it's crazy. I was talking about it with somebody else. I was like, people know me now from the show, but I lost.
SPEAKER_04Right.
SPEAKER_01So people know me from supposedly my biggest loss.
SPEAKER_04Yeah.
SPEAKER_01And no one really talks about it. They just be like, oh, the John Cedar joke. People like, well, I love that. They was telling me, keep going, you're funny. So it's like it at the time it felt like it was the world coming down on me. But like literally after a few hours, it was like, you're gonna live through this. And now it's like you're still being celebrated. Exactly.
SPEAKER_03Literally on a Netflix show. Yeah, like Kevin, like that is top of the top. Like literally the top of the top.
SPEAKER_01Yeah. So it's like, hey, bruh, you're in a position where a gazillion people wish they could have been at. Absolutely. Even the people that was on the show with you at the LA shit. So it's like, hey, bruh, like, really just live in a good mindset. Yeah.
SPEAKER_02Yeah. So what did Kevin Hart saying that he uh, you know, knows everybody's material and won't forget people who were on the show? What does that mean to you?
SPEAKER_03He's never, he's all he's always gonna remember you.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, yeah. I mean, I'm also a big ass nigga. I'm I'm pretty unforgettable.
SPEAKER_03I love that.
SPEAKER_01So um, yeah, it's gonna be it's gonna be cool, I guess.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, I mean, you have such a unique comedy style. I haven't seen anyone, I mean, I've gone to tons of comedy shows, I watched comedy all the time. I haven't heard anyone like you, and I think that's hard to say because there are a lot of comics who do sound very similar to each other because that's just kind of that's how it is. There's no one like you. That's because he's from Oakland. And also because you're seven foot tall. Wait, didn't you have a like a long game, a long NBA series you're just playing?
SPEAKER_01And now you're sitting here in our Yeah, yeah, yeah. I got one more game to lose before.
SPEAKER_02Oh my god. What what did you learn about yourself in that experience?
SPEAKER_01In that experience, I know that I'm really good.
SPEAKER_02Yes.
SPEAKER_01That's all that really taught me is like, okay, I'm amongst the best of the best, and I can hold my own. Uh the industry clearly fucks with me. Yeah, or else I wouldn't have been on there. And um, yeah. Yeah.
SPEAKER_02Oh, I love that. The the industry fucks with me. Well, all the things then I clearly wouldn't have been on there. That's such a that's so good. I love that.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, you're respected. Yeah, you know, that's that's getting the especially in Los Angeles. Can only imagine how competitive competitive is in this town with comedy. If you're respected in that way, that's huge. Yeah,
The 10-Year Grind And Mindset
SPEAKER_03right. Yeah, but you've been doing comedy for over a decade. Okay. Um, what does a grind actually look like for people who only saw the Netflix part of you? Like, what has it actually been like for the last 10 years?
SPEAKER_02Like, how many times are you performing a week?
SPEAKER_01Uh, I perform pretty often now. Yeah. But you know, it's it's hit or miss. That's just it. Like, if you're not a known comedian, even if you are a known comedian, it's always gonna be hit or miss. I think in anything it's hit or miss. Like, we know people are entrepreneurs or freelancers, and it's like you have a good month and you have a dry month. So it's just constantly believing in yourself. And I try to tell comedians, because now they be asked me, like, well, what do you got any advice for me? I'll be like, nigga, I don't know what the fuck I'm doing. But I always tell them, like, hey man, everything matters, and it's all about your mindset. Yeah, like if it means something to you in your mind, it's going to eventually uh be something later on.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, I mean, you're a testament to that. Yeah. So when you say there's like good months, bad months, what's like a good month or a good week like for a comedian versus a bad one?
SPEAKER_01A good week would probably be like six, seven shows.
SPEAKER_02Wow, that's a lot.
SPEAKER_03Are you performing the same material during that time or are you like just switching it up?
SPEAKER_01Uh I'm trying to work on doing the same material for like a month or two. Yes. Just to like work all the kinks out so then I can have sets since I don't have to start traveling. So and they're gonna want, you know, 45 minute sets.
SPEAKER_02Of course.
SPEAKER_00Um, but I guess in New York that would be considered like because New York be like, man, if you're not doing 20 shows a week, you're not grinding.
SPEAKER_02Right.
SPEAKER_01But you know, most of those shows is in somebody's living room or at a bar on, you know, a rooftop.
SPEAKER_02I mean, you've done iconic stages, you've done comedy store, laugh factory, improv, the stand in New York festivals.
Nerves Versus Excitement On Stage
SPEAKER_03Before we ask a question, I wrote it earlier before he answered me 25 times. Do you still get nervous? Do you? Uh that's gonna say no, but the thing's gonna shut me. Down.
SPEAKER_02No, I mean, yeah, but I get excited. I get I get which is the same as nerves. Excitement energy is the same as nervous energy, but our mind makes it nervous instead of excitement. So it's great if you can channel your nerves into excitement because they are technically the same thing. It's just our brain telling us one thing or another, which is kind of crazy.
SPEAKER_01Yeah. I mean, y'all both do live events. You and Model, WWE, and you a model. I seen you out on the beaches and period. But you know, like you prepared, you know what you're doing, but it's a live event. So the excitement of like, oh, we're in a different place, there is, there's you can't predict what's gonna happen. You know, you know what you're gonna bring, but you don't know how the atmosphere is gonna be. Yeah. And that's what makes it excited.
SPEAKER_03That was probably the I think the most nervous. I mean, yes, I've done live events and TV for many years, but like doing a show, there's nothing that's made me more nervous in my entire life. And here, I and I had something good. I could not even imagine. But here's the thing I had an advantage because everyone who was at my show were already fans of mine from WWE. So they're gonna laugh no matter what, right? No matter how bad I was, they're gonna laugh. That is not the case for like a lot of comedians. You walk into a room with maybe people who've never seen you before, and you have to make them laugh. Yeah.
SPEAKER_01You don't have to.
SPEAKER_03I mean, you don't even like I mean, like the goal is to make them laugh.
SPEAKER_02I will never forget going to see a friend of mine do stand-up comedy, and now she's actually really funny. But this was this was her first one, and she bombed so bad, and all of us, like there was like five of us sitting there, and we were just like, fuck, like we want to laugh because like it's our friend, but also she even knew it too at the time, and obviously make a made a joke about it after, but it's like, oh, like we were just like rooting so hard for her, and I'm like, oh my god, this is not good, like, and then it just keeps getting worse and worse and worse, you know, because you're trying to like find it, find it, and it's not there, she's gone. She's like, she's in Oakland and we're in LA, you know what I mean?
SPEAKER_01Like, nothing better than seeing somebody try to dig themselves out of the house. And it gets deeper.
SPEAKER_03It's like, bro, I don't want to know them because it makes me feel bad. I know, then it's like that. There was a girl, I don't know what her name was. I went to a um God, after I think I went to a big comedian town, but he had a girl open for him. I never heard of her. Um, it was one of the worst sets I'd ever. I had to get up and I go to the bar. But I felt so bad for her because she's up there doing something people or no, like tons of people would never be able to do, myself included. But sitting in the audience, and you're just like, shh, just just you gotta like you, it's like a visceral, like yes.
SPEAKER_02Well, speaking of that, do you think LA is the most
LA Competition And Where Talent Lives
SPEAKER_02competitive? Or you think there's other places? Well, you said New York is like if you're not doing 20, so maybe New York is. But do you would you say it's uh supportive or more competitive?
SPEAKER_01LA is the most competitive place on earth. This is where everybody who becomes somebody somewhere else comes to be. Right. This is the big pool, this is the ocean. So uh yeah, I would say this is the most competitive. I'll not necessarily uh the most talented or saturated, but um you don't think LA is the most talented?
SPEAKER_03Where would you say what city has the most talented? That New York?
SPEAKER_01I mean, I feel at this point in time it might be Chicago.
SPEAKER_03Chicago, yeah.
SPEAKER_01Just because most of the people you see on television are from Chicago.
SPEAKER_03Uh-huh.
SPEAKER_01So I I would say, you know, Chicago. New York has good people, has really good people. Um, everywhere has their own little pockets, but no matter what, once they become whoever the fuck they are over there, they're gonna come now. They're gonna come here to Hollywood.
SPEAKER_02Okay.
SPEAKER_01And then that's when that's when they're gonna be like, oh, okay.
SPEAKER_02And do you think that's because of the name?
SPEAKER_01It's because this is the Mecca.
SPEAKER_03It's the Mecca. Everyone's talented, everyone is funny, everyone is networking.
SPEAKER_01No matter what, I've been around the world. When people say they want to come to America, they're talking about LA.
SPEAKER_03LA.
SPEAKER_01They're not talking about New York, they're not talking about the Bay, they're talking about LA. They want to be with the stars.
SPEAKER_03Yeah. So well, for
Big Goals: Movies And A Cartoon
SPEAKER_03you, uh, what are your personal goals right now? You've already done Netflix, you want a special, be in a writing room, acting, touring, producing your own shit. I mean, obviously, you have a natural storytelling style, as we've all seen. So I maybe acting and scripted projects in your future.
SPEAKER_01Yes, yes. I I really want to make movies. I think my my biggest goal is to get this cartoon going. I love cartoons. I grew up.
SPEAKER_03Well, you're working on a cartoon.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, I'm working on it.
SPEAKER_02Have you told us about this?
SPEAKER_01No, I have not.
SPEAKER_02Well, do you are you also like is Milk and Honey is gonna be a voice in it? Like, we have to have us on there.
SPEAKER_01Well, I'll figure out a way to make sure that's a good one.
SPEAKER_03Well, then they can change an episode where like I was visiting a podcast studio.
SPEAKER_02Yes, so then it's uh the cartoon has to have a podcast studio. Right.
SPEAKER_01Yes.
SPEAKER_02But I mean, you've you've already been featured on Comedy Central.
SPEAKER_04Yes.
SPEAKER_02Um, you've done your album Timeless, and you're building your own world. What uh project thus far are you the most proud of?
SPEAKER_03Um besides funny F.
SPEAKER_01I'm very proud of Timeless. I'm very proud of Timeless because it was right after the pandemic and I wasn't sure if I should do it. And my lady was like, Do it. Yeah, she was like, if you don't do it now, what the what the fuck are we doing?
SPEAKER_02That is what we call a support system. Kudos to your girlfriend.
SPEAKER_01So I was able to get like 16, 17 people in a in a room like this and do my 30 minutes, and it got me to Netflix.
SPEAKER_02Period. Yes.
SPEAKER_03Now, is there any work that you've done that you wish more people had seen that we get more eyeballs on?
SPEAKER_01At the time, yes, I thought so, but the right people saw it. Yeah, and that's what that taught me. It's like, hey, well, just relax. You do the work, the things that you want will come to you.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, yep.
SPEAKER_01Stop worrying about everything.
SPEAKER_02What's your dream comedy career if everything goes right, everything aligns?
SPEAKER_03We all date careers like this, right? Like the yeah, absolutely.
SPEAKER_01My dream career thing would be um this cartoon running for like 20 years.
SPEAKER_03Fuck yeah.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, because a cartoon, I I don't gotta, I could age. I could age, but my cartoon don't gotta age.
SPEAKER_03You and you go in there give me the Matt Griffin.
SPEAKER_02Is it maybe me on this?
SPEAKER_01Yeah, and the merch. Oh, yeah.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, but the merch, but also the actual like filming of it and recording of it is like a voiceover with it. It's a couple hours. Yeah, it's a couple hours. Right? No, no, no. One episode, no, no, no. It's like I've been there, okay? Trust me. It's a couple hours, and you're getting paid as if you were on set for a commercial that you were there for 12 hours plus because they went over time. Do you know what I mean? It's I am in the wrong way. The time, the time of it is so insane. A voiceover work.
SPEAKER_01And I get to be silly. I watch Hugh Jackman be do voice active.
SPEAKER_02It's amazing.
SPEAKER_01He's he's really like shirt off just you really get to get into it.
SPEAKER_02You know what I mean? We really need to have uh we should you should write a show that is. You should write a show of the behind the scenes of making a cartoon.
SPEAKER_01That would be like that.
SPEAKER_02Like seeing what people do, like taking your shop, but like trying to get those voices. I would that would be so funny. Actually, you don't do it. We're gonna do it.
SPEAKER_04We're gonna do it.
Timeless Pride And Trusting Timing
SPEAKER_03Um we are 40 minutes
Love Island Takes And Insecurity
SPEAKER_03of the show. We were gonna talk Love Island, we're gonna have to wait for this for another time. Uh, for those who don't know, we had our Love Island podcast. We might bring it back, we might not. Um to you. Yeah, well, we will. We'll get back into it, but we gotta talk more about you. But we'll say one one live island, one Love Island session.
SPEAKER_02Because she can't help herself.
SPEAKER_03It's such a good show.
SPEAKER_02And I'm I'm over here being like, finally, we have journalism. Let's talk journalism. Love islands. Love islands.
SPEAKER_03What is your take on just USA? What is your take on this season so far?
SPEAKER_01Uh it might have jumped the shark a little bit.
SPEAKER_03What do you mean?
SPEAKER_01Uh they're trying very hard to try to top last season.
SPEAKER_03They're trying to replicate, yeah. Even with uh, what's her name? He's like ever since she's a new huda. Um Melanie. Melanie.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, I mean, we finding out a lot of things about Melody, though. Apparently, she used to be a plus size model.
SPEAKER_03But she was a model, you know? So I think, you know, she still was like working her, you know.
SPEAKER_02I mean, I I still why do you think that's such a big thing? No.
SPEAKER_03This is not an opportunity. Well, what did I say earlier? I said I said people were saying she starved for attention. Well, I didn't even let that.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, I was like, oh, that's a going. That's a good one.
SPEAKER_02I'm so sorry. I just laughed so loud in everybody's ears. Um I apologize.
SPEAKER_03But why do you think like if you were dating a girl, like a cute little petite girl, and then you found out later that she used to be a really big girl, would that affect how you felt about her at all? If you like hadn't known? Because I think that's what people are kind of assuming, like, oh, sincere, you know, she's like, I don't to me that doesn't matter.
SPEAKER_02But I don't know, a guy's perspective. Like, what do you think?
SPEAKER_01Uh for the guy, it doesn't matter, but for the girl, it matters. That's her whole world. Like her, it's not that she's she's who she is right now, she's always going to be the lady she was before.
SPEAKER_04Yeah. Right.
SPEAKER_01And so that's how I see it is that she's still reacting in uh this is gonna sound bad, in the plus size model way.
SPEAKER_03Mind size.
SPEAKER_01She's very defensive, she's very insecure about when other women are around because she still feels sure like the plus she still feels like she's going to be a second option or not just a model. She's a plus size model. Like so she's all you can see how she moves. There's a there's an insecurity about her looks and her appearance and about who she is that will always come out.
SPEAKER_03Of course.
SPEAKER_01Um, no matter what. Yeah. And that's something she has to it's a her thing, it's not anybody else's thing.
SPEAKER_03Because she's beautiful then, she's beautiful now. Right. But you're right, the way she moves is and it's it's affecting other people in the villa because we're having a tiptoe around her emotions. And none of them even know why. Because not like anybody, and they're probably even new.
SPEAKER_02But I will say, like, she she is taking accountability for those emotions, at least from what I saw in like the last episode, I think she kind of, you know, uh said an apology in a way of why she was feeling a certain way. Like, I don't know. I feel like it's her trying to to to apologize and say, but who knows? The season is just beginning.
SPEAKER_01So how how do you feel about people that punch you in the face and then be like, sorry, I punched you in the face. And then they do it again.
SPEAKER_03I'm sorry.
SPEAKER_01And then when you'd be like, stop punching me, and they'd be like, What are you in there?
SPEAKER_03I need 10. No, that's two. Okay, fine, go. Give me 10. I'll just that was a crazy. That was crazy and hold up, but no, that is, she said it so many times.
SPEAKER_02I was like, she's about to crash out. She, yeah, I was like, she is about to go in the ocean and never come back. Like she said, give her 10. She meant forever.
SPEAKER_01And I was like, it didn't, it wasn't lost on me that it was them two beefing.
SPEAKER_03Yeah. Of course. No, yeah, of course. Of course. And that's very yes. Okay, we're gonna go back to talking about you. We'll talk a
Quickfire Chaos And Closing Words
SPEAKER_03little something. We're gonna do a few like quick questions. What's worse? Bombing on stage, or get this is actually kind of Love Island too, or getting what would be worse, bombing on stage or getting friend zone at the fire pit?
SPEAKER_01Friend zoned, yeah. Friend zoned, yeah. Yeah, it's not is there's no way to backtrack that. Like a bomb, you'd be like, well, I'm gonna I'm gonna come at it again tomorrow, but the friend zone is like bro.
SPEAKER_02I am not um well. This also, um, who would make the best comedian on the current cast? Who's the funniest?
SPEAKER_01Um probably KC.
SPEAKER_03I like KC. I like K. Of course you do. Why? I I like KC.
SPEAKER_01It's funny because as soon as he popped up on the screen, my lady yelled out, he's gay!
SPEAKER_03I don't care.
SPEAKER_01And I was like, I was like, yo, like you I love the way he called her out, though.
SPEAKER_03He probably is. Oh, yeah. Oh, I didn't know who he's like, girl.
SPEAKER_01I love you, but but that's why we think KC might be gay. And the pink suit and the in the plants.
SPEAKER_02Okay. Hey, maybe he's fluid.
SPEAKER_01I was gonna say the the guy on the UK definitely.
SPEAKER_02I'm gonna start that one. But if they're fluid, like you should, they should that should be a known thing. But he doesn't know it yet. They're 22 years old.
SPEAKER_01Also, these kids are I think you know I know it's Pride Month, but uh as a man, you can't be fluid.
SPEAKER_02Well, yes, but but I just I mean, you you can't like I know to the point where you're coming from is you're either like gay or straight, but there are men out there who are fluid and then they find women who are like, okay, yeah.
SPEAKER_01I I've I've I feel you, you know? I feel you. You you're just a gay man now. Well, yeah, well, fuck ladies. Like, I can't like I don't think you and your lady gonna be out here kissing dicks together like this.
SPEAKER_03I mean, no, hey, we're in Hollywood. We are in Hollywood. Uh okay, we're gonna we're gonna skip down here. Uh quick fire. I I need uh wait, we're gonna skip. One second. Let me get my bearings. Um we're gonna skip.
SPEAKER_04Y'all need cue cards.
SPEAKER_03No, I know. So this is what happens. I have to have cue cards, otherwise we're gonna get lost. Okay, wait. A standing ovation or a perfect first date. Wait, what? Oh, what would you prefer having? A standing ovation is a show. But he has a girlfriend, so it I guess this doesn't really apply. But let's imagine you were single back when you were 12. What? Maybe a little older. Wait, how long have you and your lady been together? A long time, right?
SPEAKER_01Yeah, 13 years.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, that's kind of how I said that.
SPEAKER_02Oh, amazing. Okay, then fuck that question. Okay, Kevin Hart judging your set or Ariana Maddox judging your flirting.
SPEAKER_01Ariana Maddox, she's kind of a I'm gonna have to say Kevin Hart. I mean, yeah, I was gonna say that too. I'm still kind of confused by why people be so into Ariana Maddox.
SPEAKER_02Me too.
SPEAKER_01But uh me too. She's no mamma jamma. I'll say that.
SPEAKER_03I mean, I think we like her better blonde.
SPEAKER_01I think I've I I heard her story. I understand why people support her.
SPEAKER_03Well now we're moving on now. Now we've had way more scandals in reality TV. I don't know if you watch Summerhouse and shit's going down.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, yeah, yeah. So yeah.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, there's a lot.
SPEAKER_03Would you rather have a joke that kills forever? Like John Cena? Also, who?
SPEAKER_02Like, I feel like I feel like there's like uh there is like a a band practicing back there. So sorry.
SPEAKER_03Would you rather have a joke that kills forever or a relationship that lasts forever?
SPEAKER_02Well, I got both, so I know that's right. I know that's motherfucking right. Okay. Next one, even better. Be famous for comedy or famous for reality TV.
SPEAKER_03I mean, once reality TV stars are getting 10 years.
SPEAKER_02I mean, yeah, once you're famous being a reality television star, you can do whatever the fuck you want. So answer that carefully.
SPEAKER_01I think reality TV, because then I don't necessarily have to work. I just gotta show up.
SPEAKER_03And then it will help launch your company even more. But also look at Ace.
SPEAKER_01It's like, yo, I could just walk red carpets and you know, yeah.
SPEAKER_03Right? And get paid $100,000 to post the skincare in the don't exactly.
SPEAKER_01What are you talking about?
SPEAKER_03Orlandria is doing but she is a she is uh an anomaly. Holy cow. Yeah she deserved it though. I love Olandria. All right, worst place to bomb a comedy club, a first date, or a family function.
SPEAKER_01Hmm. I'm gonna say a first date.
SPEAKER_03Yeah.
SPEAKER_01Because your family, they don't believe in you anyway.
SPEAKER_03That part.
SPEAKER_01So that part. They're like, I always knew it, nigga. Go take the trash.
SPEAKER_03You famous, you you pay these bills, go take the trash out.
SPEAKER_01So this is what you do. And I always say if you watch them show Seinfeld, he's a famous comedian. Yeah, nobody that he knows gives a fucking.
SPEAKER_03He gives a shit. Right. I know.
SPEAKER_01George Costanza is the most unsuccessful person. He's like, Oh, you're gonna do your little stuff.
SPEAKER_02Yeah.
SPEAKER_01And it's just like, yo, I'm fucking on NBC.
SPEAKER_03Exactly. They keep you humble though.
SPEAKER_02He's like, I'm getting my residuals for the rest of my life. My syndication.
SPEAKER_03Yesterday I met I met an old friend from uh my childhood, first time I've seen her, probably in 15 years. Went to lunch yesterday. She's like, So what are you doing? I'm like, you know, like I've done this, that I've been in a few movies. She goes, Oh, like an extra? I was like, damn, she humbled me fast. But like people, like, no. I'm like, hey, they don't, they don't get it, they don't get it.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, but no. Like, I would have just been like, I didn't try to explain it. No. Anyway, what is your villain origin story in one sentence? Tall. That's a word.
SPEAKER_01I'm trying to think of when I became a villain.
SPEAKER_03Oh, you don't think you're a villain? That's the sentence.
SPEAKER_01No, no, I said when did I become a villain? Oh, I know when. It was uh when somebody, it might have been preschool or kindergarten.
SPEAKER_03I knew you were gonna go back there. I just wondered what else would happen.
SPEAKER_01Uh, some some dumbass kid brought up a Batman action figure, and he was like, It's so cool, so cool. I was like, can he fly? He was like, he was like, Yeah. I was like, let me see. And then I threw this shit as hard as I possibly can into some bushes.
SPEAKER_03Please write that in your cartoon. That belongs in your show. That is some mean shit.
SPEAKER_01So, yeah, that's probably when I'm okay with that.
SPEAKER_03Oh, I love that. Such a young age. All right, now we're gonna go a little more positive. Your dream headline five years from now. The headline about Pap Johnson. What's it saying?
SPEAKER_01Died happy.
SPEAKER_03Not what do you say today?
SPEAKER_01Died happy.
SPEAKER_03Died happy. We don't know when to die in a five year. What happens? Let's do a not death one.
SPEAKER_01Uh, okay. He's like, well, Pap Johnson headlines the Met. Yeah, I'll tell you, shouts out to Mr. Russell from the Gilded Age.
SPEAKER_02And finally, Mr. Pap Johnson, what do you want people to know about you right now?
SPEAKER_01That I'm a lovable, sweet person.
SPEAKER_04Who loves the stuff? Now tell the truth. Who loves thoughtful stuff?
SPEAKER_02Now the truth who loves thoughtful stupidity all the time.
SPEAKER_03So if you look into the camera, so we can clip this, tell the world about you.
SPEAKER_01Everybody out there in TV land. I just want y'all to know um I fuck with y'all as much as you fuck with me. So if you don't fuck with me, I'll fuck with you.
SPEAKER_03That is it. I mean that is it. You're the best. Honestly, this is a lot of fun, but I do really like respect and admire you. I think you're fucking badass. I will always say nice things to you, but this is the moment I will.
SPEAKER_01That's a lot.
SPEAKER_03I know you're I know your star is gonna climb, but I hope we can be right there with you.
SPEAKER_02No, seriously, thank you so much for having us.
SPEAKER_03And having us, you didn't have us.
SPEAKER_02I mean, thank you so much for hanging with us. That's what I meant to say, not having us. You know, I always have to flub up my words at some point in the show, you know. I hadn't had one this show, so here we are. It's the white claws, the end of the show. Um, and you know, everyone go watch Pat, follow him. And if you see him at a show, please laugh loudly uh because comedians are emotionally fragile, and we need to protect them in Hollywood.
SPEAKER_03Uh social medias, people can find you.
SPEAKER_01P A P P M F Johnson on all the socials. All the socials. It's been a pleasure being on Oats and Honeys.
SPEAKER_03One day he'll get right.
SPEAKER_02And you know what? You know what, you guys? Sometimes the tea is steeping hot, but today it was just funny.
SPEAKER_03Meh.
SPEAKER_02Funny AF.
SPEAKER_03Funny AF. There you go.
SPEAKER_02We'll see you guys next week. Thanks for joining us on Milk and Honeys.
SPEAKER_03Thanks for so much editing. Bye, guys.
SPEAKER_01Do they know y'all just changed clothes or shapes and shut up?
SPEAKER_02No, because usually I change my hair and today I didn't. I actually just put this one back. You see, so it's different. Oh my god.