What to Do When You Feel Like You Have Nothing Left

We’ve been through the moments when you’re down to nothing—no money, no momentum, and no idea how things are going to turn around.

In this episode, we’re sharing what we did in those exact moments… not from a place of strategy, but from something deeper. We’re talking about real spiritual breakthroughs that began with silence, uncertainty, and grace.

We share the moments we wanted to give up… and the surprising shifts that came when we chose to bless others instead of trying to “push through.”

You’ll hear:

🌱 What helped us feel powerful again when we felt invisible

🌱 The quiet practice that created real momentum

🌱 How to move forward when you’re not sure you can

🌱 Why your lowest moment might actually be your opening

This conversation is for anyone who’s ever wondered:
What now? What next? And how do I keep going when I feel like I’ve got nothing left?

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Transcript

Joy: You've done the mindset work, you've taken the courses you've meditated, journaled, and visualized the life you want. So why does the breakthrough still feel just out of reach? 

Matt: Welcome to the Timing effect, a podcast for leaders, healers, and visionaries who are ready to stop circling and finally breakthrough 

Joy: through raw, honest, unfiltered conversations.

We pull back the curtain not to hand you tips and tricks. But to reveal the deeper patterns and align strategies that unlock real momentum. 

Matt: These aren't temporary shifts. They're energetic recalibrations that ripple across your entire life from your relationships and purpose to your business, body and inner peace.

Joy: We are Joy and Matt Khan, and after guiding thousands through massive transformation, we know breakthroughs aren't about doing more. They're about aligning with what's already waiting for you. 

Matt: This is the space where clarity meets timing, where energy meets action. And where everything finally starts to click.

Joy: This is the timing of that.

Matt: So here we are, episode two. 

Joy: Oh, I'm so ready. I'm excited. 

Matt: You know, when we originally decided to do this podcast, it was inspired by the conversations you and I have each morning over coffee and how we started having these really deep conversations with each other and then thought this would be something we'd like to share with the world.

So to kind of dissolve that, I guess in movies they would call it the fourth wall, but the Wall. But you know, that allows us to share who we are as people, not just who we are as teachers and authors. 

Joy: Yeah. I think that's really important. I don't, you know, I didn't have a lot of that. I think you and I both felt the same way.

Hmm. As we came into this work. It felt very much, I mean, I can say for myself, I felt like a deer in headlights. You know? I was having these awakening experiences. I was being inspired from within to create change and be a part of something. Mm-hmm. To help people. And at the same time, I didn't know anyone else who was going through that.

Yeah. So then I felt really alone. Yeah. So I hope our conversations, I know when we met. I definitely felt like we weren't alone. Mm. Here was somebody who understood the path, and that was so meaningful for us that I love when we can bring our friends into the conversation in this way. 

Matt: And so for all you that are listening, we consider you friends.

Joy: Thank you. And so 

Matt: we're all just gathered here as friends, just sharing. And one of the conversations we were having this morning that inspired this episode, we, we were talking about what we did. When we had nothing. 

Joy: Hmm. 

Matt: Because it's easy to be where you are to be the one that life has helped you become.

And it's easy to forget about where you started, where it all began. And we were talking this morning, what we did when we had nothing. And it was, it was such an emotionally stirring conversation that we both thought this would be a great, uh, episode two of the podcast. So we welcome everyone to what we had when we had nothing.

And um, it's a good question to ask, what did you do when you had nothing? 

Joy: Yeah, and maybe you're listening in and maybe you remember what that was like, or maybe that's something you're going through. Right. And we tend to go through it in waves, especially. Well, I would say we, we say, especially if you're an entrepreneur, but honestly.

There are times in everyone's life because of the way the universe works, there is an ebbing and flowing of experience and we're always growing. So if you are growth minded, which if you're listening to us, you likely are, growth comes with the discomfort of going to the next level. So this is always happening for us, and I remember.

I remember being in that place where we had absolutely nothing. And it's really funny 'cause you like juxtapose that to going to the grocery store or going to a restaurant now. And more often than not, especially 'cause of where we live, people know who we are, right? And people know who we are and see us in a particular light and see our experience now.

But they don't know the 20 years and they don't know what it was like. 20 years ago. Right, right. Or even 10 years ago. And I remember going through a shift for me about 10 years ago. Hmm. So, in the beginning it was challenging. You know, there were challenges there. But I'd say my biggest, my biggest challenge was about 10 years ago.

When I was coming out of meditating in the trees for a very long time, we'll save that story for another time. But I was coming back into the world and realized pretty quickly after some of my awakening experiences that I needed to leave the marriage I was in. And thank goodness. Thank goodness I realized that.

'cause here we are. But it was so much bigger than that. You know, they talk about, you know, so many people, our ourselves included, the people you spend time with are so incredibly important, the five people, but especially the person you spend every day with. So I'm incredibly blessed to spend every day with you.

Matt: Oh, likewise. 

Joy: Well, once upon a time I looked around my world and who I was spending my days with. Um, weren't inspiring and every day I woke up into a challenge, and I know a lot of people feel that way. They wake up and the person that is in their house with them isn't the person they wanna spend time with, or they don't have friends, or maybe there isn't a person with them.

Right. That was me. And I knew I needed to leave my marriage, but I also was terrified about how I was gonna take care of myself, how I was gonna financially survive that time and. I hit a moment where I knew that if I was going to succeed, it was gonna be changing my world, and so I did leave that marriage.

With very little to almost nothing. I had a stack of money hidden in a shoe that was gonna get me by and take care of the kids and, and help start me in the next thing. And it was just enough to get to, I think, the first couple of months of rent in a new apartment. 

Matt: Now, not to interrupt, but my curiosity wants to know what kind of shoe it was.

Joy: It was a hiking boot. 

Matt: Because I was gonna say, if it was a Cowboy Boot, that's a song 

Joy: right 

Matt: in the making. 

Joy: I could, I could change it. I could tell the story with the Cowboy Boot instead. 'cause I'm really curious. The song you'd create. 

Matt: I left my marriage with money in, in a boot? 

Joy: Yeah. 

Matt: I'm just saying 

Joy: it wasn't a very big boot.

Matt: It wasn't a very big boot. It was a hiking shoe. 

Joy: It was a hiking shoe. 

Matt: Wow. 

Joy: Yeah. So. In my hiking shoe. I began this new journey and I kept going into the hiking shoe and pulling out money until eventually there was nothing left in the hiking shoe. I remember going in and going, oh, there's not a lot there, and eventually there was nothing.

Matt: Wow. 

Joy: And so I cried. I didn't know what to do. I curled up. I thought, you know, I, I remember praying to God going, I have done everything that you asked me to do. I left. I've changed my life. I mean, at that time I left Canada to move back to the United States. I had taken huge leaps of faith, and I thought, shouldn't I be rewarded?

I remember having that feeling and wondering how I got here. But it was in that moment that something inside of me started to speak, and maybe it was God coming in. Maybe it was the divine coming in and saying, I am rewarding you. And I remember having this feeling come over me and reminding me the power I have to bring blessing into my own life and into the world.

So I was laying on the bed crying. And that crying became this feeling of being held. I, I call that feeling grace. Hmm. There was this feeling of grace where the feeling of the divine came in. And as I was asking, you know, what more do you want me to do? The divine said, I don't want you to do anything more.

I just want you to be in this feeling. I want you to feel what it feels like to be blessed, to know that you are blessed. And so my crying went to this peaceful feeling of I am blessed. I'm on a bed with a roof over my head, and in this moment, all is well. Hmm. And I felt so blessed that I began blessing all of the clients I had.

I realized I have clients, I have a business, I'm moving in the direction of my dreams. And I'm spending more time thinking about what I don't have rather than thinking about what I do have, because I made such a radical shift to leave a world that I didn't love, where I didn't have people to connect with.

And I changed my life, moved to another country. I had new friends, but I also had an extraordinary new set of clients. And these were people I was spending my days with. Hmm. So I was spending my days with these clients, and so I quietly blessed each one. I actually got up from my bed, made a list of all of my clients, wrote them down, and one by one I began blessing their success.

Hmm. May they continue to be blessed. May they become so wealthy and successful, may they find the life of their dreams. And in that blessing, something started to happen in me. There was this shift from I need to make money to pay the rent, to, I need to help these people. Hmm. They need, they need my support for that kind of blessed life that they are creating.

Mm-hmm. And I had this inspiration. This inspiration came over me as I was blessing everyone on that list. And the inspiration was launch this program. Send each person on this list, a private video, say their name, message them and say, I was thinking about you. You came into my awareness and I would love to help you.

I would love to help you reach your dreams. Hmm. And it was such a genuine message that that became one of the greatest moments in my wealth story. It was a huge breakthrough. I went from no money in the shoe. To several hundred thousand dollars in about a 48 hour window. Mm. Because it wasn't about me anymore.

It was blessing others. That was, I would say, one of those moments in life that changes the way that you see everything.

Matt: Well, that the story you share is so touching. And, and I, you know, it's one of those things where you and I are husband and wife and we have so many things in common, and then you hear a story and you go, oh my God. More things we have in common. 

Joy: Mm-hmm. 

Matt: I feel like every day we get to discover all the things more we have in common.

Mm-hmm. 

Joy: I love it. 

Matt: So even in your story where from having money and the hiking, hiking boot, but in my mind it's been, it's a cowboy, a cowboy boot. Um. And how blessing others led to an inspiration that turned everything around for you. From nothing to something or for from nothing to being the someone that you always knew yourself to be.

Yeah. It reminds me of my story when I think back to it and such humble beginnings where when I discovered God, you know, 'cause in the beginning when I was younger, that's how it was introduced to me. God. And I discovered the difference between the way maybe a religious God was being taught to me. 

Joy: Mm-hmm.

And my, 

Matt: and the experience of God within me. And when I started to notice that I, I just wanted to spend my life knowing that God. And when that light started speaking to me and sharing its wisdom. It, it, it, it, it was just a glory I wanted to spend my life basking in. And it was the conversations that I wish I spent my day in school having with teachers.

And it was the, everything I didn't know was looking for that. I used every other substitute in my life to try to fill. And so as I lived my life in communion with spirit. And it led to a series of awakenings and activations of my intuitive abilities. You know, told a story before, was guided to go into a spiritual bookstore to ask and why do I see purple energy around me?

And oh wow, you should take a psychic development course. And I did. So I'm sitting in a circle with people. I don't know if this is, feels kind of like either traffic school or. Rehab. We're sitting around trying to learn, uh, intuitive, uh, techniques. And then a few weeks into it, they asked me to teach it, which was confusing 'cause I thought I was just taking the course.

And they asked me if I could do a reading and I didn't know what that really meant. And so they sat me down with someone and they said, read their energy. And for, for a second, I thought, how did I get here? This is the craziest thing. I'm staring at a stranger. I'm supposed to tell them things about themselves.

That is insane. And then all of a sudden the information started to flow. 

Joy: Hmm. 

Matt: And then everyone was astounded. I had no idea how I did it or if it would ever happen again. And it turned out when I sat down with people and connected, it would happen. And it became a reliable, it would happen, even though I never knew how to make it happen.

I just knew what situation to put myself into to for it to happen. So I start doing this work. People in my life all of a sudden know me from Matt used to be a personal trainer, now he's a psychic superhero. 

Joy: Mm-hmm. 

Matt: And that was strange for a lot of people. Very 

Joy: good one. 

Matt: Thank you. Thank you. It was, uh, a strange experience.

Joy: Yeah. 

Matt: And I found myself in a position where I was gung-ho, excited. I found the area that I wanted to dedicate my life to. And you know, you also have to build a business, put yourself out there. And I, I think that the vulnerability for me is I found the thing that I'm really, really good at. And when people put me in a position to be in front of people, I'm, I'm, I'm incredible.

But I realized more and more that what, what it requires to get yourself in that position is an understanding of business. 

Joy: Mm-hmm. 

Matt: And, and marketing and, um, things that when I would think about them I had no understanding of and what all of a sudden take me from being the most capable version of myself to feeling like a little boy afraid of a world that's gonna swallow me up and I didn't know what to do.

And throughout the years I've had the support of many beautiful people that have helped me, um, do the things that I couldn't do or didn't know how to do. And even in situations where I had credibly, thoughtful, generous people trying to pound the pavement and knock on doors and

help people know about. The amazing met going, you know, um,

things in the beginning weren't flowing the way I envisioned them to, and so I would sit at home and wonder when it's all gonna begin. And similarly to your story, I had this feeling sense of. If the world's not coming to me yet, then I need to go to the world. I had this inspiration come to me one day, and at the time I'm living in Seattle or the Seattle area, and so I would just take these walks.

I'd walk around my neighborhood, I'd walk around downtown Seattle, and I would just look for people. And before I found people, I found trees and sidewalk and so. Very similar to your inspiration. I would bless the sidewalk. I would bless the trees, and I would bless the anything I saw with the thing I felt deficient in.

So if I felt deficient in abundance and opportunity, I would bless the trees with abundance. May you be abundant and leaves and branches and grow beautiful fruit when it's time. And may the sidewalk be abundant for whatever that means for the sidewalk. I don't know what that really means in sidewalk language, but, um, I dunno if that means the, 

Joy: like, less cracks, 

Matt: less cracks, or the cracks 

Joy: would get filled.

Matt: Or you turn around and there's a Louis Vuitton symbol on the, on the sidewalk. I don't know what that means, but anyway. And then I'd see like a mother, uh, pushing a stroller. And I would silently, it was very specific that I did it silently because I wasn't trying to perform this. Mm-hmm. Um, I was, in a moment, I was in a desperate place.

I finally found the thing that I was good at. And my one prayer was, I, I, I just wanna be in a position to get what comes to me from the universe out to the world. Mm-hmm. 

Joy: I 

Matt: want, I want to be a, a known, um. Resource to help the world. And so I I, I did this very silently and humbly. So I'd see a woman push a stroller and I would silently say, may you be abundant in your life.

Joy: Mm-hmm. 

Matt: May you and your children be abundant. And I would. See, even if of course I saw someone who was living on the streets, may, may your abundance turn around and may you find a way to serve the world with your gifts. And I would be in downtown Seattle and I walk by a nice restaurant and a group of people were sitting out in the patio having what looked like a power lunch and beautiful suits.

And I would just think silently, may you be blessed with even greater abundance. May you be blessed with even greater success. And I would just walk around. And bless people. And I did this as a practice and in the beginning I did it to cope with the skills I finally felt with me and the, the nothing I had to show for in my life.

Mm-hmm. And the no opportunity that. Was, was, was eating at me and, and the thought of, I don't want to go back to living with my parents. I don't want this to be another thing that I start and don't commit to. And I don't want to be someone in my early thirties who's still trying to figure out how to, how to, how to, how to take that first step forward.

Joy: Mm-hmm. 

Matt: And, and that's not. That those were judgments against myself. 

Joy: Mm-hmm. 

Matt: You know, that those were pressures I put on myself. And so I would, I would bless people and bless people and bless people, and it helped me feel better about myself, and it helped me feel that I could be of service even when people weren't seeking me quite yet.

And of course I did this practice day in and day out, and it was a very short period of time before all, all of a sudden bookstores would take a chance on me and I got to speak in front of five people or, 

Joy: mm-hmm. 

Matt: I would do events and people would show up, and then after the event, people would book private sessions and I would do readings and I would do healings.

And as I'm doing these readings and healings, I'm taught how to do healings. I was taught how to do healings by doing them. 

Joy: And I, 

Matt: and, and I didn't even know what any of this was. And so I developed so many techniques by, by doing it, um, and then forgetting those techniques and making new ones and, and then things started to, to, to escalate and to expand.

And, um, I always told the universe, you know, if I get an opportunity to do this work, I'm gonna do it like it's never been done, which. Uh, my personality is always one where I make these bold aspirations. I will do it the way it's, it's never been done, which is kind of pandering and begging the universe Yeah.

As well as part of my personality too, um, to, to intend to do my best. But it always has to be in language of. The most unprecedented. 

Joy: Well, you and I are very, we love Epic, 

Matt: right? Epic. Every, 

Joy: everything has to be epic. Everything has to be never 

Matt: been done before. Has to be, yeah. I have to break the sound barrier.

I have to, yeah. Create new paradigms. That's just, I guess my, my, my competitive side, but with myself. But I said to the universe, you know, if, if I have the chance to do this, I will. You know, if I'm on a surfboard and I'm in the ocean and it's still, if you bring me a wave, I will serve that wave. Mm-hmm. I don't know how, but I will, and I did, and I, I served every single person that came my way, like it was an audience of a million, and I served every single person, um, as, as the me who had nothing and didn't know how, what to do and where to go to, to serve in the way that I dreamt of serving.

And, and I, I never forgot. Where I came from. And that's always been the source of how I've served with love and, and to, to make the story even more, um, ironic. So I, I, I, I remember I was in Denver, col, now Boulder, Colorado, and it was an in-person event for the launch of my first book, whatever Rises. Love that.

And there was like, I don't know, could have been a couple thousand people in person. Maybe a thousand. Many thousand online and live stream. And you know, Tammy Simon, if Sounds True's gonna introduce me. And it's one of those moments where you get used to just putting one foot in front of the other that you don't realize the, the, the bigness of the moment.

Mm-hmm. And so I had this moment where I started to kind of just before I went on stage, realize the bigness of the moment for me. Yeah. Someone came up to me and they go, Hey, I don't, I don't mean to interrupt you before we begin, just someone who's in attendance, but, but can I just. I just wanna say something to you.

I, the universe is compelling me to share something with you. And so I said, sure. And they said, look at all these people that are here for, to celebrate your first book. They said, how many people are here? And I said, A, I think a thousand and many on online. They looked at me and they said, wow, congratulations on your abundance.

And it's funny because that was what I would say as a blessing to everyone I passed by. Over the years in Seattle was, congratulations on your abundance. That was the prayer that I gave silently. And so to put that out in the universe to, to wait for that one opportunity to take it and to, to wind up in a position where then someone said back to me the things that I said, um, is incredibly humbling.

Joy: Mm-hmm. 

Matt: And it, it was the journey of what I did when I had nothing. And then what's, what's fascinating is that you then become someone to a lot of people mm-hmm. Because they think you live on YouTube, you, you live on a YouTube screen 

Joy: and you're there as a, you're there at any moment. At any moment. Yeah.

Matt: And, um. What's fascinating is that I couldn't quite take seriously the someone that people thought me as, like when I became well known because I had spent so much time feeling like no one and having nothing that that, for me, one of the biggest things was trying to shake, feeling like no one in nothing, and being someone in something felt either like a movie or felt like a trick that was gonna become a joke.

Or was gonna be like a rug that was pulled from underneath me. And so when I became someone to a lot of people, um, I was waiting for it to end for a long time. In fact, I think I waited, I think I spent 10 years waiting for my success to end. Wow. Before I actually began to really fully trust it. And I spent 10 years being someone to a lot of people and feeling like no one and nothing.

Mm. And I don't think anyone really knew it. Yeah. But, but I, but I did. And. I, I, I honor that part because it, it's, it's kept me very humble. It's just been very hard to trust when you live so deeply in the awareness of having nothing to show for, but having everything in your heart to give, if only there were an opportunity provided.

Joy: I love that so much because, you know, I can see the growth in, you know, in both of us so clearly. Yeah, and you know, we're. I think it's so important that not only do we bless others, but we allow ourselves to feel that blessing too. Right. To be, you know, when you talk about and, and so them and us, right? So it gets to be not just about me, you know?

Like I felt like in my story, I had gotten so caught up and it's all about me. And then I may, I was like, oh, it's actually about them, right? But then I lost myself in it. I'm never, I'll never make it. I'll never arrive. It was always this pressure that you're talking about. But then the moment of, oh. And me.

Right, right. So it's, it wasn't about, not me. It was about both of us. Both. And you know, when we met, one of the first things that we did was we had, one of our first weekends together was in Vegas. And we had so much fun. We did. You took me to see, um, oh, what's that comedian's name? Totally. I totally blanked.

Oh, 

Matt: Sebastian Mascal called? No. What was Jerry 

Joy: Seinfeld? Jerry Seinfeld was our first. We've seen both. Yeah. So Jerry Seinfeld, we're gonna go see Jerry Seinfeld Super. Uh. Epic in this beautiful theater, 

Matt: Caesar's. 

Joy: Yeah. It was so good. Yeah. We had so much fun. But one of the things we did that trip, I don't know if you remember, we walked around, we were walking, you know, five, 10 miles a day, back and forth on the strip.

Yeah, I did. And eating beautiful meals and just talking and getting to know each other. Burning 

Matt: off the meals that we ate. 

Joy: Yes. 

Matt: Repenting for our culinary sins, but 

Joy: we were also blessing the people we walked by. We 

Matt: were. 

Joy: So we spent a lot of time reflecting on how the world is shifting. Yeah. And there's so many people in pain, you can't know who you know really if you're walking down the street, most people are in pain right now.

Matt: Right. 

Joy: And so that, that practice of blessing, we hadn't even had this conversation, but you and I both went instantly, oh, let's just walk up and down the street and let's just bless people. 

Matt: Right. 

Joy: This was our thing to do and I love that. I remember that. Oh, I remember 

Matt: that. Because in Las Vegas there's a different experience when you.

Walk on the walkways, which are these elevated mm-hmm. Walkways or if you walk on Las Vegas Boulevard. 

Joy: Right. 

Matt: And we walked on Las Vegas Boulevard and we saw a gentleman 

Joy: Yeah. 

Matt: Passed out in the middle of the street on drugs or whatever, and we, and we blessed him, his soul. And we came across some people having some very difficult times and we blessed their soul.

And we, and we did this together. And I remember we did this not only in Vegas, but we did it. When we, when we went on that East coast tour. 

Joy: Yeah. 

Matt: And we were in Toronto and we were in cities and, you know, seemed like the trend was we'd stay in these hotels in the downtown area of a city and we would see, so we would see a lot of people having difficult times.

And you and I would come together as we always do, and, and, and bless their soul and, and, and hold space. Um, as, as those lightworkers and. Yeah. It's amazing how we, we did that and we, we continue to do that. Mm-hmm. And yet if we look back at our humble beginnings, what we did when we had nothing, that's how we individually got to where we are.

Joy: Yeah. 

Matt: It's, it's, it's, it's amazing. And, and I just, I just wanna say that, that it's such an honor to be able to, like, to, to be in, in a, in a lifetime where if I'm given one breath more. And one, and if there's one choice left, the, the honor of being able to bless another person with the remembrance of spirit and to know that I get to have that experience with you mm-hmm.

Is, is, um, something that 

Joy: I'm, I'm 

Matt: incredibly grateful for. 

Joy: Me too. 

Matt: So 

Joy: we are blessed. 

Matt: We are blessed. So if someone's listening to our conversation, and I think that we all go in life through experiences of I have nothing. Now I have something, I'm back to nothing. Or maybe they have experiences. I have a lot of some things, but I still feel like no one or nothing.

What do what, what do you suggest That someone, whether they have nothing or feel like no one. Or feel like they're not quite in the position to serve the way they envision serving. What, what do you, what do you suggest they do? What's, what's your advice? 

Joy: Yeah. Well I think that, you know, just based on our own experience and you know, how many clients we've guided through the process of really breaking through.

I would say first and foremost, understanding that when we are in those moments of feeling that yeah, we're in a precise time in our lives, right? There is something happening that on the surface isn't what it looks like. I. Oftentimes it looks like where we are is in a place of coming undone, falling apart.

Maybe we, it looks like we're not making it or failing, but I think the trick is, and probably one of the most important things that I ever felt and understood, and I know you and I have talked about this Yeah. Is in that moment, it's only failure if you stop. 

Matt: Yes. 

Joy: It's not failure. If you keep going, if you keep going, you move through that time and recognize that that time is calling you to the next level of your experience.

And it's calling you to know that you are blessed even more than you know, and that you're about to be blessed. And we say this, these are those moments when we are realizing that the divine God universe, mm-hmm. Wants to bless you with more, which is why it feels like you have very little so that you can make space, right, and it doesn't make sense cognitively or as you look out at your life, how, why would it be this way?

But I think just the nature of universal law, the universe is designed in a way where things are organized in a very precise way. And in order to bring in more blessing, more abundance, more expansion, more growth, more of what we want, then the way must be opened up for us. And the way to open that up is in that moment to know.

That we are being opened up and to choose to bless ourselves and others more. Mm-hmm. We, we did this recently, you know, we, we just finished writing a book. Mm. Yes. It's our first book together. First one, it's our fifth book each. So we, we each have written four books. This'll be our fifth book. That's right.

And it's the one together, which from a numerological perspective, I love because vibes change, expansion, growth, it's like significant. Such a beautiful energy. So the fifth book we get to do together. Yeah. But something that we just did is what I would recommend for everyone. It's not just in those times of, um, feeling the pain.

It's also in those moments of feeling the euphoria of something's about to be born. Right. Which incidentally, or sometimes within the same day, sometimes you can feel both. Right. In one day or one hour or one week. Right. We recently celebrated the writing of our book. 

Matt: Yes. 

Joy: We had a great meal. We made space, we felt all the doubts.

Mm-hmm. That arise when you are about ready to birth, something really vulnerable into the world. But then we went to a place near us called the Buddhist Stupa, and it's the Peace Park here in Sonsona. It's one of our favorite places. Yeah. It's a really sacred location. Just you can feel at the moment you get there, that palpable feeling of you are held, you are okay.

Everything's right in the world. You know, we, we had such a beautiful experience, but we went there to, um. Pray for ourselves. Yes. We went there to bless ourselves. So we walked the land, we spoke to the divine. We wrote in the prayer book, it's really cool. They take those prayer books. I dunno if you knew this, maybe we've talked about it.

But you write in this prayer book and they take the pages from those books and they put them in the scrolls and they put them in the prayer wheels. Oh, that's really cool. So they add prayer wheels. Every time a book is complete, they'll add and they'll put those inside there. Mm-hmm. And so when people come.

They bless everybody's blessings. I love that. So they spin the prayer wheels and every time people are there, those blessings are being activated. So I love to go and bless others and myself. So an and experience. Sure. So we bless the world first. 

Matt: Of course, we do. So we shared blessing out 

Joy: into the world that we might know more.

Peace and love and connection and relationship. And then we prayed for the success of the book. We prayed for our ability to touch lives through this. The story we wrote, and that has been such a catalyst. Yeah. I think we will continue to do that and that would be, that's what works for us. Yeah. And it works because it connects us with the universe in a way that activates momentum.

Matt: Yes. 

Joy: Towards our vision. 

Matt: As people listen to this, you know, I'm just trying to tune into what I'm being guided to share, and I, I'm just, I'm remembering us being at the super recently and. Having that experience. And I think it's, it's also a growing experience for me because I think I'm used to blessing other people.

Mm-hmm. And maybe not including myself. And so the end experiences for me, um, a good, a good learning curve. And I, I think as anyone who, who's listening to this, I, I think whatever your talent, your ability, or your desire to serve. You can't wait till things are different or better mm-hmm. Before you step out into the world.

So you have to say, what are my opportunities? What are my resources? And how can I start serving right now? Like I always imagine myself speaking as Asian front of millions of people. 

Joy: Mm-hmm. 

Matt: Because I have a very big imagination. Mm-hmm. And I had to start by bringing that type of. Service to one person at a time or to people that I would just bless who didn't know I was even doing it.

So I think for anyone listening to this, whatever you wish to give to the world, find a way to offer it. Find organizations where you can offer your time. I look into a camera uploaded to YouTube, you know what? Whatever, whatever it takes to say every day I'm going to do something that is bringing my abilities and purpose to life.

I think it's incredibly important and I think we can't wait for the big moments before we step into big service. 

Joy: I love that. And 

Matt: thank you. And something else I've learned, which is very humbling. I 

Joy: feel like I wanna say that again. Like really feel that 

Matt: Yeah. 

Joy: For everybody. We cannot wait for the big moments 

Matt: and before we step into big service.

Joy: Right. 

Matt: Yeah. That's so 

Joy: incredibly key. 

Matt: We have to bring big service to the smallest moments. We have to bring big service to the menial moments. Yeah. We have to bring big service to insignificant moments. Mm-hmm. Because there are no small opportunities. There's only the size of your service. 

Joy: I think that sometimes when we don't feel big enough, 

Matt: yeah.

Joy: When we do that, we realize that we don't have to be big to do big things, 

Matt: of course, 

Joy: and. I just, I feel like that's so important. It 

Matt: is. And I appreciate you, uh, wanting to reiterate that. 

Joy: Mm-hmm. 

Matt: Yeah. That's, that's, you know, 'cause it just, it just mirrors how I've always felt like I've had this big service I wanted to offer and I was waiting for big moments.

Joy: Right. 

Matt: You know, it was like I was treating my house like a green room. Like, well, when the set's ready. I'll grace you all my presents and 

Joy: I'll Right. 

Matt: I'll step onto my movie set or whatever. And you, you can't wait for big moments. No. You have to just bring, 'cause it's the big service. It's the, it's the depth of your service.

That cr that over time creates the size of the opportunity. 

Joy: Mm-hmm. 

Matt: And, and I would also say to people, and this is something that I've learned, um, in our journey 

Joy: mm-hmm. 

Matt: Which is, you know, when you are in a hu in, in a humble beginning. And I would also say, as an aside, one of the reasons why beginnings are humble and it's because for the artist and all of us are artists, if you have a purpose, you have you desire, however you wanna be of service, that's the artist.

Joy: Mm-hmm. 

Matt: The artist always seems to be in tune with its. Beginning stages of inspiration in the most humble of environments. Right. Anyone that's written an album or performs or develops a talent mm-hmm. Seems to focus their attention on the cultivation of that talent in some sort of humble beginning.

They slept on a couch, they had to, had to couch surf. 

Joy: Mm-hmm. 

Matt: They maybe slept in a uh, shelter and all they had was a pen and a notebook. And they became then the scribe and the channel for something greater than themselves. So I think sometimes the experience of losing it all, even in the beginning when we have nothing, uh, to gain just loss, starting from a place of loss, is how we find our deepest inspiration.

But when we find ourselves in the place of, of, of a humble beginning, something I've learned in our time together, which I, I, I wanna reflect. I dunno if I ever shared this with you. Mm-hmm. Is we can simplify, right? We can prioritize so we can prioritize our time and where we spend our money. 

Joy: Mm-hmm. 

Matt: We can simplify in the process, but we don't go backwards.

We only move forwards. 

Joy: Yeah. 

Matt: And so my advice to people who are in this position who wanna turn. What feels like nothing into something is simplify and prioritize. Create moments where you can bring big service to even the smallest of circumstances, but do not move backwards. Always step forward. Mm-hmm.

Joy: Oh, wow. I love that. Yeah. It brings me to the moment we were walking down the stupa. 

Matt: Yeah. 

Joy: And. You know that pay attention to the small feedback that as we're doing big things, take the feedback and choose which feedback you really let land. Hmm. You don't have to let all of the feedback in. But when we were walking down that stu, after these beautiful prayers and this incredible moment we shared, right?

We had, um, one little quail pop out onto the trail in front of us. Yeah. And remember you're like, what is that? 'cause it's not a common bird in Washington. Like, we haven't, we didn't see them a lot, but all of a sudden it just popped out and then right behind it popped out another quail. Mm-hmm. And then we realized really quickly that was mom and dad.

Yeah. And then there were eight to 10 little baby quails. Tiny. Tiny. They, they were so tiny. They were so cute. 

Matt: Yeah. I didn't know what a quail was. I'd never seen, it would look like a bird with like a hamburger helper on its hand. And I was like, honey, what's, what's that? Hamburger helper bird? 

Joy: That's their protection.

I think it helps protect them in some way. 

Matt: Oh, thank goodness. Thank goodness. And they're 

Joy: adorable. They 

Matt: are. 

Joy: And. That was such a profound moment of abundance. Look at how abundant that couple was. That little mom and dad quail, so proud. They were probably the first that had had babies in that area. We didn't see any others and it was just such a proud moment for them and so beautiful.

And a reflection of abundance. 

Matt: Absolutely. 

Joy: Yeah. 

Matt: It was really, it was really auspicious having just come from that stupid experience of walking back to the car and seeing that, and I wonder if I. Just as a way of anchoring the, the depth of this beautiful conversation. For everyone that's listening, if they take a moment and silently right now 

Joy: mm-hmm.

Matt: Decide what it is.

That you're willing to do to bring your gifts to the world now, not tomorrow or at a later date? Mm-hmm. What are you willing to do no matter how small of a step it looks like, or how, how menial it feels if no one's looking? What are you willing to do to bring big service? To the world, no matter how small of a world it feels like you live in.

And maybe just as a way of anchoring this beautiful conversation, we can do what we've done. Yeah. Which is bless every listener and bless every person in this world. Bless every being. Who has existed, who is existing and will exist with the inspiration, the awareness, and the remembrance, that there is no moment too small

to bring the depth of our big service into. 

Joy: Mm-hmm. And 

Matt: that this moment right here is an opportunity no matter how much we have to simplify. Prioritize. We don't move backwards. We step forward in the name of service. 

Joy: Oh, may you be blessed infinitely as we are blessed to 

Matt: may you be blessed and thank you for the opportunity to be a part of this experience of blessing you.

For the one who blesses shall be grateful. Of the role they play in the blessing as they remember that they get to serve the light, the universe, and the highest will of all. And so it is us who is grateful. 

Joy: Mm-hmm. 

Matt: For the opportunity to be a part of your living, blessing of life. 

Joy: Mm-hmm. I feel the ripples already.

Matt: Me too. 

Joy: Thank you for this conversation. 

Matt: Well, thank you for this conversation and thank you for everyone who is listening and joining us in this very alive transmission. I think we're all better off as a result and in a different place to move forward from this point now. 

Joy: Hmm. These are very personal.

Matt: What's 

Joy: that? These are very personal conversations. I'm loving it. These are very personal conversations. 

Matt: This is very personal and, and what an honor it is to be so personal 

Joy: with 

Matt: everyone. And of course, as always with you, 

Joy: thank you and thank you.