Breakthrough Conversations with Rhoda & Co

The Leadership Shadow You Don’t Know You’re Casting

Rhoda Banks Episode 38

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In this solo episode, Rhoda challenges leaders to confront a critical but often overlooked truth. You are always casting a leadership shadow. Through personal stories, hard-earned lessons, and practical reflection, this episode explores how your behavior, energy, and emotional presence shape your team’s experience. You will walk away with a deeper awareness of your leadership impact and clear steps to lead with intention.

What You’ll Learn
What a leadership shadow is and why it matters 
How unexamined leadership shows up in harmful ways 
The difference between intention and impact 
How your behavior shapes team culture daily 
Why leadership legacy is built through experience, not titles 

Key Takeaways
Your leadership is felt before it is understood 
Culture is built by what you normalize, not what you say 
Unchecked stress and insecurity show up in your leadership 
Awareness is the first step to transformation 
Your leadership shadow becomes someone else’s internal voice 

Connect With Rhoda
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Podcast: Breakthrough Conversations with Rhoda & Co. 

Call to Action
If this episode made you think differently about your leadership, share it with another leader. And ask yourself: What kind of shadow am I casting?


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Welcome to Breakthrough Conversations with Rhoda and Company. I'm your host, Rhoda Banks. And today's episode, I'm by myself. It's personal, it's reflective, and it may challenge how you see yourself as a leader. You know, we spend a lot of time talking about strategy, performance, and results. But today I want to go a little deeper. What we're talking about is the leadership shadow you're casting every single day. The one you may not even realize exists. Because leadership is not just about what you say or what you do, it's really about what people experience in your presence and how you leave them feeling after having had an experience with you. And whether you intend to or not, you are shaping culture, confidence, and behavior through that experience. So today I want you to pause with me, reflect with me, and get honest with yourself because your breakthrough as a leader starts where? With awareness. So let's get into it. Let me ask you something. If I interviewed your team without you in the room, what would they say your leadership feels like? Not what you say your values are, not what's on the wall, not what's in your LinkedIn bio. What does it feel like to work for you and or under your leadership? Because whether you realize it or not, you are casting a shadow every single day. We talk a lot about leadership style, we talk about strategy, we talk about performance, but we don't talk enough about shadow. Your leadership shadow is the emotional climate you create, the tone you set, the energy that lingers after you leave the room, the behavior people mimic when you're not looking. You don't get to decide whether you cast one. You only get to decide what kind. I want you to reflect with me just for a second. When you're stressed, does your team feel safe? Ask yourself that. When you're silent, do they feel clarity or confusion or doubt? When someone makes a mistake, do you create learning or fear? Do people excel when you enter the room? Or tense up? Be honest. It's okay. We're being intentional here. We're growing, we're evolving, we're learning, we're becoming because your shadow speaks louder than any mission statement you can come up with. There was a moment in my career when I realized I was casting a shadow. I didn't intend. It was probably my third year of being in the people leader role. I had landed a role in a highly public position for a very public project at a large organization. It was a time of it was really high pressure combined with some of my leadership and maturity. I was still very much rota, kind, caring, and with good intention, but I was green. I was also high energy and constantly in the mode to prove myself, hungry to elevate and grow my career. I was constantly working around the clock, sending emails at 2 and 3 in the morning, assigning and delegating tasks, uh reorganing the department and changing the roles of people to accommodate the outcome. I was trying to achieve. And some of the team members left. Some hung in there because they enjoyed the thrill of the fast pace and the change, and they were rewarded for doing so. Others stayed but contributed to the office gossip and negative talking behind my back. Some competed with one another, jockeying for the next promotion. I thought I was modeling, I really did. I thought I was modeling good leadership and how to get things done. I was even given a nickname, Rhoda Gitter Dunham Banks. But what they felt was lack of safety and stability, constant change, high demand, and perhaps even the pressure to work around the clock to respond to the emails that I was sending at this insane times of the morning. I noticed that change needed to occur when an executive leader stopped me at a meeting and said, I heard you're running folks out over there. I responded with, no, I'm actually hiring good talent, developing them and seeding the organization with high performers. That was my rebuttal. But secretly, I took what she said to heart. And I and it led me to internalize and self-reflect, and ultimately it helped me grow professionally and mature my leadership. That was the moment I understood leadership isn't just about what you do, it's about what people experience in your presence. Here's what's dangerous: unexamined leaders cast unconscious shadows, and those shadows show up as micromanagement rooted in fear, avoidance rooted in insecurity, overcontrol rooted in mistrust, harshness rooted in pressure. And the team absorbs that. Culture is not built by what you announce and what you write in the email, it's built by what you normalize. Maybe um let's reflect on this. I reflected on various leaders I've had in the past, and one specific leader I've had whose shadow left me devalued, unseen, and unprotected. This leader was aware that one of my peers saw me as competition and harbored negative feelings about me. I at the time had no knowledge of this. Instead of coaching that individual through their emotions and their thoughts and their feelings, that leader thought that the best approach was to pit us against one another in manipulative ways that at the time was not, I wasn't even aware of their motives. For example, they would intentionally put me as the lead over a project and even threaten to have that person report to me if they did not change their behavior. Who suffered in this scenario? Who got the brunt end of it? If you guessed Rhoda, you're right. I did. That was a pattern I noticed that this leader had and how she managed her team. It ended up reaching ahead when the peer exploded on me and shared how they truly felt about me. They were yelling and accusing me of wanting all of the spotlight and that they were sick and tired of hearing my name. That incident led me to leave that organization where I had been nine years, worked really hard to move up the career ladder to establish a positive, productive, healthy reputation. And I had to end my career there, at least I felt like I did because of that situation. When I think back on that, it still hurts, it still stings. And that leader was very emotionally unpredictable, and it made me question myself constantly. This leadership shadow caused individuals to shrink versus expand. That's when I made a decision about the kind of leader I wanted to be. If you want to evaluate your leadership shadow, you could start here. Ask someone you trust, what does it feel like to work with me? Notice what happens to the room when you walk in. Pay attention to whether your team brings you problems or hides them. Audit what I call your stress leakage. And here's the hardest one. Where does your unresolved stuff show up in your leadership? Because whatever you don't heal, you project. I'll repeat that. Whatever you don't heal, you project. I talk about leadership legacy for a reason. Because long after your title was gone, long after your role changes, long after the org chart shifts, your shadow remains. It remains in the confidence you built, the fear you created, the courage you modeled, the silence you allowed, your leadership shadow becomes someone else's internal voice that wants repeating. Your leadership shadow becomes someone else's internal voice. So the question is not, are you leading? The question is, what are you leaving? Here's what I believe. You don't have to be perfect to cast a powerful shadow. You just have to be aware. Aware of your tone, aware of your triggers, aware of your impact. Leadership is not about control, it's about responsibility. And when you choose to lead with intention, with emotional maturity, with humanity at the center, your shadow becomes shelter, not pressure, not fear, shelter. And that, my friend, is legacy. If this episode made you pause, if it made you reflect, if it made you think, if it made you wonder, share with another leader who needs to hear it. And I would personally love to know what kind of shadow are you working to cast. Also, if you're interested in being intentional about your leadership legacy, hit me up to learn more about my six-week cohort leadership legacy lab. It's more than a development program, it's an immersive experience. Until next time, I challenge you to lead boldly, lead consciously. And remember, your breakthrough begins here. Thank you for listening.

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