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This week,

I sit down with Brandon Jacobs, former NFL running back and Super Bowl champion, best known for his time with the New York Giants, where he became one of the most physically dominant backs the league has ever seen. At 6’4”, 260 pounds, Jacobs didn’t just play the position — he redefined it, running through defenders with a rare mix of size, power, and explosiveness that made him a nightmare to bring down.

Over his career, he helped lead the Giants to two Super Bowl victories, proving himself in the biggest moments against the best competition in the world. But what made Jacobs stand out wasn’t just his physicality — it was his mindset. A relentless, no-nonsense approach to the game that separated him from everyone else on the field.

His story isn’t just about football. It’s about discipline, identity, and what happens when the game ends. From the highs of winning championships to the reality of life after the NFL, Brandon brings a perspective most people never get to hear.

But this conversation goes deeper than stats and highlights. We get into what it really takes to survive at the highest level, the mentality behind elite performance, and the truth about what separates the guys who make it… from the ones who don’t.



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SPEAKER_01

Logan Paul calls out to the NFL a million dollars to any player that wants to get in there with him. And I know that you responded. I know you said, let's do this. I did.

SPEAKER_02

Because I just think, you know, it's not even the fact that how he went about doing it with the whole million dollar thing.

SPEAKER_01

No, he blanketed the whole in the film.

SPEAKER_02

The whole in the film.

SPEAKER_01

Like he blanketed everything.

SPEAKER_02

Everybody. He set up a little call from WWE and staged the whole little call saying you can't get in the ring. You can't do that. You can't work out. You can't do none of this, which was a bunch of BS.

SPEAKER_01

Just go ahead and just hit that button right there to subscribe. That's all we have, man. Hit the subscribe button. It doesn't cost you anything. The show is absolutely free, but it helps us to keep moving on forward and giving you these great guests. Because you know what? It's not easy to get some of the guests like I got for you today. We got NFL Superstar, two-time Super Bowl champ. That's right. He's got rings on both fingers. He's one of the fierest men out there that ever ran the ball before. We know him as our giant because us from New York, you know, we're Giants people. He's the biggest giant that ever came through New York. We got Brandon Jacobs in the house. What's up, Randy?

SPEAKER_02

Man, I feel like thanks for having me, man. It's great to be here.

SPEAKER_01

Absolutely, absolutely, bro. What is it like, man, life after football? I just gotta wonder because, you know, the games change so much. Things are going on out there, but you're diehard blue, man. You're giant all the way. I still see you on the sidelines and hanging out and stuff.

SPEAKER_02

Well, a game after football is kind of interesting. You know, it just depends on where you are in your life financially and what you've done. You know, the type of resources that you, you know, people you've met and made in your life. Um, all of that plays a part in life after football. Uh, life after football for me is is pretty good. I can't complain. Uh I don't I don't really miss playing. I kind of miss my I miss my teammates though. Yeah. I miss breaking bread and fellowshipping with my guys. And um, you know, it's always, you're gonna always miss the place like New York and New Jersey if you've spent uh a lot of time in a place like that. So great, it's just great people there, super aggressive football fans. Um yeah, but I I don't I don't really miss playing the game.

SPEAKER_01

Really? You know, it's funny because a lot of people miss like I miss it. I miss playing. I never got to play it at your level, but you know, having that that sport and that camaraderie and then be able to compete in my mind, I feel like I still can. Of course, the body won't let you, you know, type of thing. But when you go out there and you're watching some of these people play and they're getting paid a lot bigger, you know, these days the money's gone up, right? Oh, yeah, they get paid. You've seen kids in college getting paid with this NL money and stuff. I mean, how do you feel about that? Do you feel a little bit, you know, disappointed that the time wasn't there when you were playing?

SPEAKER_02

Um, I can't say I'm disappointed because everything gets better, right? Um as the years go, everything, a lot changes. I'm I'm just happy these these you know kids now are are being able to get paid for their services, I guess you can say.

SPEAKER_01

Um Do you think it benefits them or do you think it hurts them?

SPEAKER_02

I think in some cases, just depending on your family dynamic, it benefit it could benefit or hurt you, right? If you if you're a guy who used to, you know, who grew up and you never really had anything. Your mom and daddy, parents never had anything, you know, and now you're all of a sudden you're great in sports and they want you to come to your their college and they give you two two million dollars to come there. I mean, this kid can get himself in a world of trouble.

SPEAKER_00

Sure.

SPEAKER_02

You know, um, you have to learn money managing quick. Parents have to learn money managing quick, you know, uh just to be able to help the kid raise, you know, can like continue to make more money or see or save the money. So it could it is not beneficial in that situation, but a a kid, a person that used to having money and the parents, you know, grew up decently and don't need him to do a whole bunch for them, you know, but you can teach him how to say, you know, save the money and put you and put his money in certain areas to help it grow, you know, or start him at 401k, you know, stuff like that. You know, doing stuff like that is stuff you have to know about. It's stuff you you you have to be, you know, you have to have some type of uh, you know, so I gotta plug my book right here, The Money Management Rules for Beginners, it's right there.

SPEAKER_01

There it is. So it's the best$20 you can buy. You get it on Amazon and stuff. But, you know, it is all about what you do with the money. Yeah. And it's unfortunate because kids today don't know what to do with it. You know, they get the money, the first thing they want to do is go buy that big car, buy a nice shoes, buy, you know, a nice watch, and they're not realizing that that money now might not be there forever.

SPEAKER_02

Right. But they want to buy a bunch of attention-seeking stuff.

SPEAKER_01

Right, right. Go to Amazon today and purchase money management for beginners, a book for everybody, especially younger kids. Kids that get money and don't know what to do with it. This is the best$20 you'll ever spend. We'll save you millions. That's right. I said millions of dollars if you start young and earn you the same. Hey, M, A, Z, O, M, Amazon.

SPEAKER_02

You know, stuff that that people, whoa, look at him. He does it. But, you know, grades are bad. Stuff like that. So, I mean, I I I like the fact that the guys are getting paid now. I just wish all the kids had some type of uh leadership around them to know what to do.

SPEAKER_01

You know, here's my thought process on it. I I kind of feel like the kids, whatever kind of money that they're getting, you know, whatever whatever they made over the five years or six years now that you're in college, right? You can't touch it for 10 years. You know what I'm saying? So it's like you have to invest it. Like it's automatic. It's there, it's theirs, but they have to invest it for 10 years before they can actually go in there and start buying things from it. This way they can still be a kid and they're still on the same level as everybody else, and they can appreciate the value of the dollar. You know what I'm saying? And understand a little bit of rules to come with that and stuff, and have something to look forward to. But that to me, that would give them some growth, you know, to realize, hey, you know, this is what I should be doing and kind of respect the money. Because a lot of these kids today they don't respect it, and that's why they don't have any. Yeah, you know what I mean? It comes and it goes just like that. And you've probably seen it a lot in the NFL. What was that like, you know?

SPEAKER_02

Same situation, you know, guys coming from nothing and getting money. I'm gonna tell you, for me, if I would have gotten money in college to go to college, I probably would have gone through it like I'm talking about quicker than the blank of an eye. Right. I never had it before. You know, I I thought we were well off. I mean, I thought I was taken care of. I had food on the table, I had clothes on my back. I didn't have any a lot of whole extra stuff, but I was okay. I didn't know all of that stuff. I never had it, so I don't know what I was missing. Right. But I think, you know, coming up and being me, I would have spent every dime probably on crazy stuff that probably I wouldn't have had the next week. Maybe. You know what I mean? So yeah, so kids just need to need to get your book, read it, learn what to do with money, and I think it'll be better. But what you said though, put it in a savings account or something, uh, some type of investment account or something like that. Right there.

SPEAKER_01

I mean, honest to God, I tell people all the time, you know, the SP is really the way to go. There's nothing that's ever outperformed the SP over 10 years, let alone 20 or 30.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01

You know, and these kids are so young today, you know. I got my kids, even your kids, you know, they're in college now making some good money. They're, you know, the good opportunity for them to learn different things. But the reality is, man, let it sit there, let it compound, let it, let it, let it grow. You know what I'm saying? So that when you get to a point where you can't do those things that can earn you the money, then you're set for life. Yeah, absolutely.

SPEAKER_02

That's good, but that's smart though. I mean, feel I mean, it says a lot. I mean, you you a money guy.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, yeah, yeah. You understand, you know. You know, because I'm like you, I can't, I didn't have no money growing up. You know what I'm saying? We didn't have water growing up. So it's like, you know, I I I watched my parents fight every Friday, you know, wondering what bills were gonna get paid and what weren't. You know what I mean? And I just I just never wanted to go through that.

SPEAKER_02

So that's kind of something had to go unpaid, though.

SPEAKER_01

Exactly. So something always, something always had to go. You know what I mean? I'm you know, going to school with that mustard sandwich, you know, and kids saying, Where's where's your meat in the middle? Where's the baloney and stuff?

SPEAKER_02

And I'm like, I'm full when I'm done.

SPEAKER_01

I I didn't know there was baloney to go in that sandwich.

SPEAKER_02

I'm full. Um when I'm done with this sandwich, I'll be full.

SPEAKER_01

That's right.

SPEAKER_02

That's all you know.

SPEAKER_01

But the one thing my parents taught me is they taught me how to work. Yeah, you know what I mean? That's the one thing they did. They got up and they went to work and and grinded every single day. So I was like my uncle. I was thankful for that.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, my uncle was the like the probably the only man in my life. When I said only man in my life, he was he was a father figure, but he worked every day. He didn't he didn't talk to us or we just saw him get up every day and go to work. Come home. Go to every day, come home, you know. And you know, uh that and that's all I knew. So I knew if I if I was gonna ever have an opportunity to do something, I was gonna have to work at it, and I was gonna have to, I was gonna have to work to to achieve the goal, and I was gonna have to work to keep the goal. You know, so I always knew work was gonna come with it. Right.

SPEAKER_01

You know, a lot of people don't know your story, Brandon. Go back, tell them because you didn't do the traditional way. You didn't you didn't go to college, you didn't get drafted number one. You, you know, you you went a different route. Tell the viewers a little bit about your route, because uh everybody knows that you got two Super Bowl rings, everybody knows you were dominant on the field, but they don't know the struggles and what it took to get there.

SPEAKER_02

Well, you know, I I I I put myself in the predicament um coming out of high school, or even going into high school for that matter. Um, you know, just doing all kinds of dumb stuff, getting in trouble, you know, nothing really mattered to me. Um, you know, I moved in with my aunt and uncle uh when I was about 11 or 12 years old, but all the damage had been done before that. You know, fighting at school, you know, cussing at my teachers, and just all just a bunch of stupid stuff that I really shouldn't have did. And continuously getting suspended, you know. You were a troublemaker. Yeah, I was a troublemaker. I was a quiet troublemaker, though. I didn't really make a whole lot of it. I don't know what it was. I just felt like that I my teachers couldn't tell me nothing because they I didn't belong to them. Right? And it was just, I was just doing just dumb stuff. And I wasn't even doing it for laughs or nothing like that. I was just just putting the head wouldn't on right, you know, and and getting suspended. So in the state of Louisiana, you get you miss 20 days of school. When you get suspended, that's not an excuse absent. You know, it's not. So you miss 20 days of school, you fail. So it was a few years I did that. A few years I did that. And it put me behind academically. And I it wasn't that I was I was stupid, I just wasn't there to learn. And in order to catch me up, they had to put me in special education to catch me up. So I did that, and I kind of I was kind of embarrassed, but I know I put myself in there. I didn't, I didn't want to let certain girls see me in the class. You know, I used to sit against the wall, you know, the little doors with the glass in it. Right. I used to sit against that wall, so when people walked by the class, they couldn't see me in the class. So I went through high school. I went through like maybe sixth or seventh, eighth grade. That way. Um high school went through all four years of that. And the diploma I received was a uh achievement. Uh it was a certificate of achievement. Not even a diploma. So I couldn't really go to college with that. So Auburn really liked me as a player. They say they can help me. They got me involved with Coffeyville Community College. I had to leave the state of Louisiana to go to Coffeyville to get into regular classes for the last six months after football season, or after basketball season was over in February. I had to go and do almost four or five years worth of school in six months.

SPEAKER_01

What drove you to do that?

SPEAKER_02

I mean, I I knew I had a gift. I know I had a gift because I f I felt dominant when I was just on the football field. I felt great when I was on the football field. Almost i it was nothing that felt better. So I know I had a gift to take it as far as I possibly could, and I just just like that, it's I I moved with a bunch of new people in Kansas. Didn't know anybody. I mean, except a couple of guys I was playing AU basketball with at the time. Um I just went got my tutors, and we hit classwork from six o'clock in the morning to like five in the afternoon. I'm this guy that's still supposed to be in high school, but I'm in college. I'm in high school in Kansas, but living on a college campus. So I'm talking about 11, 12 hours a day. I'm hitting it, hitting it. And I was just finishing courses, finishing courses, finish the courses. I'm doing this math over here while I'm learning how to read over here. Doing this over here, I'm learning how to do this. Like I was busy seven days a week until I came back. Yeah. Yeah. So but now spring football is coming up, and now I got this. So I'm still knocking out classes. I will go to practice every other day. For those three weeks, I'll go every other day. I won't go every day because I was still knocking out my stuff. So I wasn't even eligible for junior college when I went there. Because I only had a certificate I only had a certificate of achievement. I didn't have a diploma, I didn't have a GD, I didn't have any of that. I just had something that they give you the that you because you did 12 years of school.

SPEAKER_01

Did you ever get to the point where you were just like, man, this is too much? I I you just wanted to give up.

SPEAKER_02

Um, yeah, I got to that point. It was just too much when I first got there. I re I realized I walked in the door, I walked into the dorms, the little courtyard of the dorms, and I looked around and I had snow everywhere, Phil. I'm talking about snow was everywhere. Big mountain snow was taller than me. Right. So I saw that and I turned around to meet and like, I can't do this. I don't want to do this. I'm from Louisiana. We don't see snow. Right. At that point, we never, I never seen any snow before. So, you know, and I was going through the grind and got these people around. What made it better for me was I just realized that it was kind of a it was a brotherhood, you know, and it wasn't all about me. And I had, I was on, like I had guys there that I knew before I left high school, you know, and uh they was a year older than me, those that playing basketball. So I had those guys there, but it was just the grind and the work became to be so hard, and just so when stuff is so hard and you gotta work so hard to achieve it, and that same hard work was repetitive every single day. Like, like it was every day I had to do the same thing, even on weekends. I got tired of looking at books, got tired of doing math, I got tired of English, I got tired of all of that. And I'm just like, I gotta do all of this to be able to make it. I just, I'm not sure there's something I want to continue to do. It's just it's pointless to for me just to play football here. But it wasn't just to play football, there was to be able to play football there and possibly everywhere else. So I ended up still finishing it, doing what I was supposed to do. I graduated high school from Phil Kinley High School in Coffeeville, Kansas. You know, but I went back and walked at my high school because I literally did all the years there, you know. So but I had that time where it was just so hard. It was so like I'm struggling so much. I'm mixing subjects, sitting, I got the same two ladies, Miss Betty and Miss Thelma. They're working with me the whole time. And we just and we just knocking stuff out. We just knocking stuff out. I had to catch up. So um Coffeville Community College was something that really got me where I where you know, like where I needed to go. Pleased there by Auburn. So I get to Auburn, and here we go with this. I have, I'm sitting behind two guys that got drafted top five. Right. Ronnie went number two overall, and Cadillac went number five. I'm the third string behind them. So I get there, I stayed at that for that one year. I because I felt like I owe, I felt like I owe I owed Auburn that because they stuck their neck out there for me and they and they put me in a position to be where I am now, right?

SPEAKER_00

Right.

SPEAKER_02

Because there were other schools. I had I was the number one player in the country. So I had I had other schools that were There was no portal then. There was no portal. I had I had other schools that were there, but once they saw I wasn't gonna be eligible, they didn't, they didn't put me through the the uh the necessary things I needed to go through to be able to be eligible.

SPEAKER_00

Right.

SPEAKER_02

Auburn did that. They set a system up for me to go and be eligible because they, you know, they liked me, I guess, right? But I get there, and Ronnie and Cadillac is there. Ronnie was a year older, he redshirted, and Cadillac graduated the same year I did.

SPEAKER_01

So How was your relationship with them?

SPEAKER_02

We oh we were cool. Like we like we were great.

SPEAKER_01

It was never a battle, you know. No, no, no, no. Kind of snub each other. I mean, you being that thug sometimes, you're a troublemaker.

SPEAKER_02

They were good, they were good guys. We were all we all got along. We were all cool. Um, but you know, I tell people all the time, like, you know, the certain decision, like certain decisions you make outside of the football field could be something that can hurt you on the football field. And I tell them that because I felt like I could have got drafted number two or number five overall, and and like why they were drafted. I felt like I could like like I could have did that.

SPEAKER_01

Ironically, you had a better NFL career.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, so so so for me, it's it's like, okay, if I wouldn't have been acting off from school doing stuff I shouldn't have been doing early on in school, you don't well, you don't think something in third or fourth grade is gonna ever hurt you. Right. It does.

SPEAKER_00

Sure.

SPEAKER_02

So it it caused me to feel and be and be left behind. So now I gotta go to junior college to be to be eligible. Now, Cadillac did his work in school and he he went straight to Auburn, and Ronnie did his work in school, he went straight to Auburn. I didn't do my work in school, so I couldn't go straight to Auburn. I had to go after a year and a half of services in the junior college. Now they two seasons up on me by knowing everything, and and also a really good guy. So I understood why I never trumped them. Or I never I understood. I mean, we we went eight and five that you know that season. Could we have done better by putting him in? I don't know. And it was hard to tell. So I never had any bad blood for for for them not playing me as much as I was supposed to, because I got it. I mean, I'm not sure I'm gonna go change us into an eight and five team from a national championship you know, contender now. I I don't um I don't think just playing me over them two would have done that. So I got it. I I understand. Cadillac was he, you know, Cadillac was from the state of Alabama. You know, and I think Alabama was on probation then at like at that time through those years, and he was Mr. Alabama. So I got the politics of it, right? You don't want to go to an in-state school as Mr. whatever that state is, and all of a sudden you're not playing. That would have hurt them in recruiting forever. So I understood that that stuff and what to do. And again, not that we would have been that much better by giving me the rock more than him anyway. Right.

SPEAKER_01

So But at that time, you were probably just thankful that you're even there. That's true. I mean, the the road that you took was the long road. Yeah, you know, and to be sitting on the sidelines, sitting on the same, you know, bench, playing on the same field, you know, it's kind of like, okay, I'll wait my turn. Right. You know what I mean?

SPEAKER_02

But unfortunately, we were the same age in school. Right. All three of us, you know. So, and again, when it comes to Ronnie Brown, Ronnie was from the neighboring state, Georgia, which half of the roster was from Georgia. They, they, you know, so I I could say the politics of it, I got it. But outside of the politics of it, could I could I have had us be, you know, a you know, a better team? Yeah, I I don't think so, but I why mess something up that's that ain't gonna really, you know, change? Why put him in and do this? Possibly piss him off and piss him off, and you know, you know, and nothing's gonna really change. They were here before him. So I got that. So I felt like I had to be the one to leave. I mean, and it was a whole thing, you know. Uh uh, we have we had been talking, and Cadillac could have gone the first round, you know, like leaving his junior year. We discussed that. Me, him, and Ronnie were, so you gonna leave? Okay, cool. If you're gonna leave, then I'm gonna stay and run it with Ronnie for our senior year.

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Right.

SPEAKER_02

He ended up coming back with his senior year. So I was like, I gotta, I gotta get out of here. I gotta go. So I left and went to Southern Illinois, which was a smaller school. No transfer report then, so I had to transfer down. If I I I had a red shirt left, but if I had left, I could have sat out and used that red shirt year and been eligible to play for one year a year later. I didn't want to do that. So I just went down, I transferred to a D1AA, a FCS school in in Southern Illinois, with a lot of guys I went to junior college with. I went there, I finished out my my college career, I had a blast, and um went and went to the draft.

SPEAKER_01

What was different what was the difference between like at a at a practice in college like in Auburn versus where you ended up? Like, you know, what was your biggest difference for you?

SPEAKER_02

The biggest difference between Southern Illinois and Auburn was money, finances, uh bells and whistles. We didn't have bells and whistles at Southern Illinois. We had a helmet, shoulder pad, jersey, pants, and some old bags that they had used for from 20 years prior to me. So they used them all 20 years prior to me of me getting here for our equipment and stuff like that. We didn't really have a whole lot. Um our weight room wasn't that big. They ended up building that later on. Um but just the guys I felt like on the FCS level was just a bit more hungrier. Looked over and it would they had a chip on their shoulder in most cases. Played against a lot of guys in FCS and played with a lot of guys in FCS that could have played at some of them big schools. You know, they they we had to go out and get it. We had to grind and get it. So I mean, we didn't have a whole bunch of at Auburn. Dude, we had everything. We could go in and get a sweatshirt every day if we wanted to and put our number on it. We can go get jerseys for our families to screen press the number on the back of it. Every Wednesday we had all you can eat at steak night at Sewell Hall. Yeah, you know what I'm saying? We had we had everything. We had everything there. And when I went to Southern Illinois, I went from playing in front of 86,000 to play in front of 17,000. Right. A raggedy McAndrew Stadium, which was which we had it lit. You know, and it was it was great for me.

SPEAKER_01

You remember your first touch over there?

SPEAKER_02

I remember my first touch. Well, we we actually started the game. We actually started the season on the road. At CMO. We started it on the road. I ran a counter for I ran a counter for it was like 40-something yards. Boom.

SPEAKER_01

Right away.

SPEAKER_02

Touchdown. Yeah, and it came back and you know, we played home the next week. And I had like two like a 275 or something like that. It was crazy. It was crazy.

SPEAKER_01

What made you so you know hard to take down? What was it? I mean, was it was it things you were doing in the gym or just natural talent? You know, what's your secret, Brandon? Come on.

SPEAKER_02

Well, most times guys came in there and gave you and tried to give everything and still end up getting ran over. So they made adjustments to try to make tackles to not take so much of the force and end up missing tackles. Because now you're trying to tackle me from the side. Now you're surprised at how fast I'm gonna pass by you. And now you've let me pass by you because you didn't want to take that that hit. So now you didn't know how fast I was. You you you just know I was a big strong person. So now you try to come up from the side to make the play. Now I'm running past you, and now I'm running away from you. So guys guys just continue to make certain adjustments to try to not be run over. Right. And cause them to miss more tackles. So it was, you know, it wasn't it wasn't nothing that I did. Um I worked pretty hard in the gym and in the weight room and stuff like that, but I didn't do a whole lot to break tackles, to learn how to, you know, break tackles, run through tackles. That's that's all about uh the approach that the defensive players took to, you know, try to bring me down and it just didn't work. It didn't work for them.

SPEAKER_01

So now all of a sudden you decide NFL is actually it's a it's a goal, it's it's a goal, but now it's realistic. You know, when did you realize okay, hey, I'm gonna I'm gonna get drafted, I can play.

SPEAKER_02

My junior year, I felt like I was playing. I when I was nine, I had a feeling I could play in the NFL, right? But I knew all the work that had to be. When it became a reality then. Yeah, it became a reality. I was a junior and uh at Auburn, they had this mock draft that came out, and it had Ronnie and Cadillac going, it had all three of us in the first round. It had them in the top top, it had them both in the top 10 and top 12, and it had me going that number 31 to the Pittsburgh Steelers. Oh yeah. Right? And I saw that, I'm like, man, I'm not even playing, and I'm on a mock draft to be a first rounder. Then it became real. Right. And I was like, you know what? If I don't even if I didn't get a chance to play play in the NFL, I want to have a good opportunity to make it, whether the uh the the opportunity is there to make it or not. I want to try to still be I just want to enjoy my senior in college. I don't want to sit on the bench and go in when we're blowing somebody out. And now I'm the third string running back at Auburn and I go in the game when we blow in somebody else. Now I gotta split my garbage minutes with Trey with Trey Smith, who's another running back. They couldn't leave him out. So I'm splitting garbage minutes, you know, and I just I didn't want to do that. I wanted to go and play when the game was meaningful. I wanted to play when the game was on the line. You know, so I I had a whole bunch of fun at Southern Illinois, man. It was it was a blast.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah. Now, did you ever think you were gonna go to the Giants? Where did you want to go? Uh I didn't ever did you have a team?

SPEAKER_02

I did not think I was gonna go to the Giants. I did not have a team. I well, I I had a team. Who was your favorite, like as a kid growing up with the team? The San Francisco 49ers was my team, and my second team was the Giants, actually.

SPEAKER_01

Okay. So you end up getting both. Yeah, Ricky Waters.

SPEAKER_02

Because I can tell you about running back. You go Ricky Waters, then you go Dave Meggett and uh Rodney Hampton, the Giants. I could tell you that those were my favorite guys to watch. Those are ones. So I ended up liking their teams, you know. And um, I went to visit uh Tennessee Titans, I went to visit the Eagles, I went to visit them. Then there's another team I went to visit. I can't I can't remember.

SPEAKER_01

Robert Newhouse, probably to have been Houston.

SPEAKER_02

I I have no idea what what the third team was. I can't remember. So I thought sure that I end up in either pit uh in in either Tennessee or Philly.

SPEAKER_01

You know, it's funny. God has things planned and we don't realize that, right? Through the process. But, you know, you're you're all hyped up. You think you're going in the top three rounds of the first day. Where were you? What were you where were you around? Did you have a big party? Were you around with some people? What was it? Keep to yourself, where were you at?

SPEAKER_02

I kept to myself I was in Huntsville, Alabama. Me and Kim, who's my wife now, we were there with her sister, her brother-in-law. Um, and we were just there chilling, had a pretty low-key day. We didn't, we didn't um we didn't do a whole lot. We just chilled, watched the draft pretty much. That's all we did. We didn't do a whole bunch of stuff, we didn't have nothing. We just was a regular day at the house. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01

So now all of a sudden you get drafted. You're there, you're you're with the Giants, but you get some you got some competition in front of you there too. Like you're playing with Tiki, some of some of the best, right? At the time. And but yet you become the man. You become the guy when the when the when we're in the red zone, we're giving the ball to Brandon. 260 coming at you straight ahead.

SPEAKER_00

Yep.

SPEAKER_01

You know? Was there ever any animosity with Tiki being there? You know, because he's doing all the yardage, he's getting you down there, and then boom, here you come in to finish it off.

SPEAKER_02

Tiki would be pissed at me more than I would be pissed at him.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02

Because he was older, he was slowing down. He was still, he put up 1800 yards this last year.

SPEAKER_00

Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_02

So slowing down is kind of a uh it's time, it's kind of crazy to say that. But I mean, physically, like breakaway speed kind of slowing down. When he'll break 80-yard run and he'll get tackled at the two-yard line, and he comes out and the ball's on the goal line, and I take the touchdown, Amani Toomer, all of those guys that get down there and get and get and get tackled. Well, they're giving me the rock.

SPEAKER_00

Right.

SPEAKER_02

So I'm gonna take this touchdown. You know, rather you got a job to do. Yeah, I got a job to do. But then that was my only job. But I love I loved all those guys now. Me and TK worked great together. You know, we work great together. Uh learned, you know, learned, learned a bunch of third down stuff from him and Gerald, my, you know, my you know, my running back coach. And my second year, I played a little bit more in the field versus Sharky Oliver Jingoline. Was more of a third down back then, catching the ball out of backfield, stuff like that. Um in the third year, and you know, you know, coming to my third year, he retired. And I'm the guy now, and we go win the Super Bowl. Right. So we had a pretty solid team, but I don't, I we wouldn't have told you that we were Super Bowl contenders at the time. Sure. We were just playing ball. You know, but Tiki helped me a lot throughout my growth. Um, he, you know, he was there mentoring me with a lot of things. Kind of, you know, he kind of taught me how to be a professional.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02

And um I I was thankful for him, man. Like it was, it was a it was I I was fortunate enough to come up under him to be, you know, to learn a lot of things from him.

SPEAKER_01

To keep a lot of these relationships still even out of football. Oh, yeah. See, that's what's great. You know, that's the brotherhood that people are, you know, they they really miss. And I think even whether they're in high school and they never play a day in LFL, but you know, you you build a brotherhood there that's always there for you if you keep it. Oh, yeah, yeah, absolutely. Type of thing. Uh, you know, I gotta ask you though, being the the type of runner that you were, who's better? You were Derek Henry back in the day. You gotta go.

SPEAKER_02

It's a different game. I I will say this about Derek. Derrick works harder than I worked.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah. Derek works way harder than I've ever worked. Some of the stuff he did he, like some of the stuff he does. It's crazy. Some of the workouts he does running up these hills, dragging this and picking this up and carrying this, and a lot of explosion, uh, quick, you know, fast switch work. Um, so he he he definitely it was he he's definitely a harder worker than what I was. I ran I ran across the field a couple times to keep my heart rate up. I lift weights, did a couple, I did some change of direction, and that was it. I didn't do a whole lot of stuff like he did. Yeah. But I say nowadays, game is a little bit different than it was when I played. We had guys, it was a run first league, so we had guys in there to stop the run. Right. You know, now it's a pass first league. Now we got guys out there to try to stop the pass. Now, dare to get up on you is over with. And you're not big enough to you're not big enough to get in the way to slow them down because you built to go cover a pass. Built to go out and go on the slot like one-on-one. You 6'3, 215, 220 pounds, playing outside linebackers just to be fast and have long arms and cover, as you're not pretty much made to go in there and stick it in there against 250 pounds. So I mean, I I really admire uh Derek Game. I do. He's one of my favorite backs to watch. Um, just because he's the bigger guy, I root for him all the time. Um if he's close to winning the MVP, I'm gonna be the one voting for him.

SPEAKER_01

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SPEAKER_02

I had guys like Ray Lewis, Jeremiah Trotter, you know, I had guys like safety like Troy Palomalu, Sean Taylor, uh, Ed Reed, Brian Dawkins. I had guys like that playing linebacker, coming, like coming for your head. I don't see guys out there like that in today's football. You know, I don't. The rules are different to, you know, like today. So I don't know, man. I I think my era was tougher than what it is now. No question about it. I think I think my era of football was the last golden era of football where you can hit and knock somebody's head off, come across the middle, and not get flagged. Toward the end of my career, like 2011 to 2012, is when they started throwing them flags and finding people and stuff like that. So, but for the most of my career, it was it was old school 80s and 90s football. You know, it's the same thing. So um just the game's a little bit different. I think I just think my era was a little, you know, it's just tougher.

SPEAKER_01

Right. Um, you know, you look at flag football now being a big thing, right? That's coming out. You know, do you think this is ever gonna transition? Flag football take over, you know, NFL combat?

SPEAKER_02

Uh no, I don't think flag football ever take or take over because it's just not physical enough. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01

But they're taking that physical away. They're taking that physical away. That's the thing. Yeah, you're right.

SPEAKER_02

They're taking it away. So I I just don't think flag football would ever be something that you would be able to invite buddies over, cook food, drink beer, and watch a flag football game. Right. You're never gonna no one's gonna do that.

SPEAKER_01

They they do it for the celebrity ones, they do it for the celebrity.

SPEAKER_02

They do playing one, they do it for the celebrity ones that's at there at the game, but yeah, you're gonna you know you like you're not gonna put that screen on and put flag football on and sit in these beautiful chairs and watch a flag football game feel. No, I'm not. You're not gonna do that.

SPEAKER_01

Unless Rocco's playing, then I'm like, Yeah, that's different, you know. Got some people to root for.

SPEAKER_02

Right, you know, so it's it's it's just I don't think it'll ever grab the viewers. Yeah, I think the viewers are gonna continue to complain about the physicality being taken away from football. All the calls and all the referees are dictating all the games, but I do think that they're gonna always have the Sunday ticket. They're gonna still buy it. Yeah. You turn it in the flag, I don't think they're gonna do that.

SPEAKER_01

No. Yeah, well, you got these women playing that too now, though. Yeah. You know, which is which is turning up a little bit more.

SPEAKER_02

So, you know, I I wonder where I wonder where that's gonna go professionally. Now, I would watch a flag football game with women professionally. I would I would.

SPEAKER_01

You know, I actually own the first women's football team here in Atlanta, the Atlanta Explosion, women's professional football team, which was full contact, full and FO rules. And a lot of them girls played flag prior to. Oh yeah, but they prefer to play contact. They prefer to play contact. Yeah, they want to hit. Yeah, they want to rip your head off. Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_02

Oh, yeah, bunch of mad women. Yes, yes. Could you imagine?

SPEAKER_01

And you know what? They're like sponges, they're easy to teach because they have no bad habits. You know what I mean? So they would actually listen. They want to be good. But um, yeah, you'd be surprised the the amount of talent that's out there. Oh, yeah, you know, that can actually play the game in the sport. But now they're doing it in high school and everything else.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, they're doing it in high school, they're playing, man. They're getting scholarships and everything.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah. So what's this podcast you got? Facts over feelings. Tell us a little bit about that.

SPEAKER_02

Facts over feelings, man, is me and one of my buddies I grew up with in uh uh uh and one of his uh college teammates. Um we just get on there, man, talk about pop culture, do a lot of either or. Uh who would you take either or? What what artist is this? What artist is that? Like, you know, just a lot of just a lot of stuff of what you see out there that people talk about. We just get on there and we just we just talk about that stuff, man.

SPEAKER_01

And I was told you are the most controversial person on that show. Is that true?

SPEAKER_02

I'm probably I'm probably the most controversial person on the show. Me and uh the other uh host uh Ronald Dillon. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01

Um, does that make you the most educated one?

SPEAKER_02

Uh I wouldn't say that. I wouldn't say that. I just don't go with the mask. I just don't go with the mask on everything that they say.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02

I don't agree with everything that one says because that's what everyone wants to hear. That's just not me. Like, I don't, there's a lot of stuff we talk about on there that I'm like, nah, I definitely disagree with that. Right. You know, but I it's it's it's fun. We get on and we have fun, and you know, you see people commenting on the stuff, and they hate some people hate us, some people hate me, some people hate all of us. Sure.

SPEAKER_01

You know, but how does that make you feel, man, when somebody goes out there and says, man, you're washed up, you're old school, you know, you're you know, we're getting older, right? You know, time time, you can't you can't stop Father Time. Well, I hope I'm gonna extend it. That's it.

SPEAKER_02

I hope I'm washed up at 43. You know what I mean? I I'm I I hope so, you know. But people say all kinds of stuff to when you say stuff about people that they like and they want to defend them, but they want to defend them. And and they they want to they want to defend them trying to take you down a notch or whatever it is. But I I never let it happen, you know. Like it is what it is. Like you can say, if I'm washed up, I'm probably better than than you now than you were when you were 18 years old. Right. Right now at 48 years old. You're still working out, you're still working on it. You know, yeah, I'm trying to get it in.

SPEAKER_01

I work. And you're an athlete, you're a professional athlete. Yeah. And it wasn't just football. Like you could do a lot of things. Do a lot of things. You know, if it wasn't football, what would you have played?

SPEAKER_02

Probably boxing. I probably would have been a I probably would have been uh a two or three time heavyweight champion.

SPEAKER_01

I believe that. Yeah, I mean, I've let's let's address elephant a room now. Logan Paul calls out to the NFL a million dollars to any player that wants to get in there with him. And I know that you responded. I know you said let's do this.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, um I did. I say I I made a video stating that because I just think, you know, it's not even the fact that how he went by doing it with the whole million dollar thing, because that wasn't something that jumped out at me.

SPEAKER_01

No, he blanketed the whole NFL. The whole NFL. Like he blanketed everything. Everybody, no matter size, sheep, yeah, whatever, like skill level, nothing.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, so like and then he wants to, then he gets attention from people he wants to get attention from. Then all of a sudden he don't want to fight anymore.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02

He don't want to fight anymore, but he was willing to fight Tom Brady and and and and Gronkowski. Like, you're willing to fight them guys, but Ronkwine to fight.

SPEAKER_01

Gronk's do it.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, he'd do it. But see uh Logan Paul, when once he got called out, and Le'Veon Bell was like, let's do this, he he he set up a little call from WWE or whoever it is he he he wrestles for, and staged a whole little call saying that you can't get in the ring, you can't do that, you can't work out, you can't do none of this, and none of this because you're under contract, which was a bunch of BS. Right. And uh, but yeah, I I just because I've watched and and you know, respectfully, I've I've watched him.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02

I've watched a lot of fighters out there that I feel like I'm like, eh, I can beat him. A lot of fighters that has world hardware around their wases. I I'm not I'm not I'm not just talking when I when when I when I say this stuff. You know, I've been in, I know what it's like. So watching the way he fight, he fought a smaller man than Floyd Mayweather. Floyd was backing him down. Floyd backed him down. And he didn't have enough on his pepper to he didn't even have enough on his punches to even make Floyd think anything different. Floyd was 152 pounds at the time. This guy was 215 pounds, 6'2 and a half, 215, 20 pounds at the time when he fought Floyd. Right? So he was all wide and looping, shoulders stiff, footwork was trash. For him to make that statement, you know, I I didn't like it. And it was personal to me, you know, for him to make that statement because I'm like, dude, you you're not even like that. You're not even like that. Like, I probably know three or four guys in the league that stop you, cold in your like in your tracks. So, you know, Jake Paul. Jake Paul, his brother, has earned my respect.

SPEAKER_01

Yes, 100. I I agree with you.

SPEAKER_02

He's earned my respect. Yes, I agree with you. Jake would have came on and the time at. Yeah. You know, Jake would have came on and say there's no football player that can beat me. I'll give any one of them a million dollars. I'd be like, hmm. He might be right, but I get in with him. Right. For sure. I'll get in with him. Right. And he's gonna have to show me that he's gonna beat me. But Logan, I don't, I don't respect his skills that way. I don't, I don't, I don't, I don't respect his skills like that. Right for him to go out there and just be crazy, outlandish, saying some dumb stuff like that. Uh and I just took it personal.

SPEAKER_01

I think a lot of that though is the brotherly fuse, you know what I'm saying, between the two of them. Because Jake has done so exceptionally well. Now, Logan's had a great career in the in the wrestling. I mean, he he definitely an athlete in what he does, but uh, I think he's seen Jake, how he's taken on so much more than he ever thought he probably could. And he's he's earned a lot of people's respect, like you said. You know, I mean he's he's a legit boxer. You know what I mean? I mean, he's done, he's put his time in, and he puts his work in. And he don't have to, he's got plenty of money. Oh, yeah. He's not doing it for the money. Everybody was like, oh, he's doing he's gonna make a hundred million, he's gonna make any million. He don't need the money.

SPEAKER_02

He's he's good. He's he's doing it because it's something he always wanted to do. Yeah, he's doing it. It's something that's always been in the back of his mind growing up on whether or not he does think he can do it. And he's been in the ring multiple times with people bigger than him, with people that can fight better than him. And he was in there and he's won fights against guys, you know, some, you know, some MMA guys. He's beat. Like people say, oh, he's not fighting real boxes. Yeah, but you still have to learn striking.

SPEAKER_01

Yep.

SPEAKER_02

Well, you're if you're if you're if you're an MMA fighter, you still gotta be tough.

SPEAKER_01

You start on your feet. Right, you start on your feet.

SPEAKER_02

So, you know, I I definitely respect Jake and and everything that he's proven to me and everybody all around the world. So I definitely respect him for that. But Logan, that's he ain't got his skills aren't nowhere near good enough to be talking like he talks. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01

How many rounds do you think it would take you?

SPEAKER_02

With Logan, the way he the way I've seen him fight before? Yes. Two rounds.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah?

SPEAKER_02

Two two rounds, I'd probably get him out of there.

SPEAKER_01

Done. Just like I'd probably get him out of there.

SPEAKER_02

I've always I would always be in range, which would make him take more chances. Right. And he would get countered and stopped at any point throughout two rounds.

SPEAKER_01

Even at 43.

SPEAKER_02

Even at 43.

SPEAKER_01

And I believe you. I believe you. You were the first one I thought of when they said that. Yeah. When they saw it, and I thought right immediately, I'm like, oh, Brandon would love this opportunity. And then when I saw your video, I'm like, okay. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02

It's just that, you know, there's a lot of guys out there, a lot of fighters that I respect, you know, and like what they've done. You know, there's guys out there that I don't really respect their skills as much, but I like them because they don't say stupid, you know, stuff like that. And this guy's saying all this crazy stuff, man. It's like, man, like you're not even that good. Like, I will literally walk you down. Like every punch you throw will be in the range for you to touch me. That's gonna make you take more chances with your with you know, these wide and looping, open punches, stiff shoulders, bad footwork, you will be right there to be hit every single time. Right. Every time.

SPEAKER_01

What about wrestling? Because you've done some wrestling too, man. I've been in that ring when you were in W there. A couple steps.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, I think I can do that. I think I can do that too, because that's a strip, you know. Like, like that's a strip. We're gonna write it off. I know who I know if I'm gonna win before I even get in there. Right. It'll just be fun. Like it'll just be something fun to do. And kids love it. Some grown men love it. Yeah. Watch it, and they got their favorite wrestlers, their favorite tag team guys, and and they you know, watch guys, and you know, the Royal Rumble and everything, man. So uh, you know, I used to watch that growing up, you know. I I do, I don't watch it anymore, but I used to watch it growing up. I would love to get in there.

SPEAKER_01

I'll get in there too. Yeah, people always say, you know, it's fake, it's fake, but I've had a couple wrestlers, and the one thing that I always say is gravity is real. Gravity is real.

SPEAKER_02

You are coming down, but you're coming down for sure.

SPEAKER_01

You are coming down for sure, and it hurts when you land.

SPEAKER_02

Absolutely. Absolutely. It hurts when you land, no matter how soft the mat is.

SPEAKER_01

Exactly. All right, Brandon, I got some rapid fire questions for you. This part of a show where I do a bunch of rapid fire questions, about 15, 20 questions. Just don't want you to think real quick. What comes off the head? You ready for it?

SPEAKER_02

Let's do it.

SPEAKER_01

Favorite cheap meal.

SPEAKER_02

Oh, a favorite cheat meal? Yeah. Oh, you got me with that one. You got me with that one. Well, well, it's not really a cheap meal, but my favorite meal would like would be a full steak meal. Uh no, cheap, cheat, cheat, cheap meal. Cheat meal. That's a cheap meal.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah. Steak is a cheap meal. That's a good meal.

SPEAKER_02

That's a good meal. But I'm saying when you've been on a diet, you know.

unknown

Okay.

SPEAKER_02

Well, I guess you could eat. I don't know, man. I guess I don't. I guess I guess I guess there's nothing again.

SPEAKER_01

All right. One teammate who talked too much.

SPEAKER_02

One teammate who talked too much, I would have to say, man, we were all pretty talkative. Uh talk too much. Yeah. This is supposed to be quick.

SPEAKER_01

I'm not quick because that's right. You're like, I got so many of them.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah. Was it you? Was it you? It was probably me. I was probably the one talking more than anybody. I remember my teammates, they used to say, Man, you come on the field for one play, you get one yard, and now you're talking to the defense, you're making them mad, and you're going to the sideline. We gotta stay out here with them.

SPEAKER_01

That's a sterile. Favorite stadium to play in.

SPEAKER_02

Favorite stadium to play in is Philadelphia Eagles.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah. Pre-game music. What you what are you playing?

SPEAKER_02

Uh, pre-game music, I was all over the place, just depending on what was out. Uh some some um I don't see you listening.

SPEAKER_01

Country. What do you mean you're all over the room?

SPEAKER_02

No, I don't, I don't. I'm all over the place as far as you asking for a song, so I will I will listen to some.

SPEAKER_01

You mean John knows you gonna rap, you're gonna RT. I'm gonna rap. I'm gonna rap for sure.

SPEAKER_02

I might go with some young Jeezy.

SPEAKER_01

Who owed you money and never paid you back?

SPEAKER_02

Oh. Come on, come on. We'll be sitting here, wait, we'll be sitting here forever. Uh we'll be sitting here forever. Forever. Because some people that borrow money from me and don't think they gotta pay you back because you got it.

SPEAKER_01

Right.

unknown

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01

Isn't that weird how that goes?

SPEAKER_02

It is. It's weird. It's weird. But we'll be here all day, though.

SPEAKER_01

Okay, all right. First big purchase you made after getting paid.

SPEAKER_02

First big purchase I made after get paid was a Bentley Supersport.

unknown

Nice.

SPEAKER_02

I bought a Bentley Continental Supersport. I had the first one in the country. Wow. I bought it, I bought it in May, I bought it, I bought it in May of 09. It was a 2010 Bentley Continental Supersport. They don't even make it anymore. No.

SPEAKER_01

One bad habit you had to break.

SPEAKER_02

Buying Bentley Supersports.

SPEAKER_01

Don't buy a Bentley Supersport.

SPEAKER_02

Continuous, you know, one thing giving the family. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01

Okay. Hidden talent that nobody knows about that you have.

SPEAKER_02

I'm a boxer.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, we know that now, though.

SPEAKER_02

You know that now, okay.

SPEAKER_01

You play the flute or anything? A little guitar? What do you any musical and what do you what do you do? Um you a good drawer, painter?

SPEAKER_02

I used to be able to draw until I started lifting weights. Crazy. Crazy how to happen. I ended up because when I was started to lift weights, like all throughout, like like junior high and like middle school, I was really good at drawing and doing things. I started lifting weights, and I got like my I wasn't as steady after I started to lift weights. So and I ended up muscles in that. And I ended up learning how to sketch. Because then my my I wasn't, you know, straight. So I was sketched. So that so that helped me like continue to draw, but then I I stopped doing it. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01

Do you ever ignore a play call because you didn't like it?

SPEAKER_02

No, I never I never ignored a play call because I didn't like it, because I still had a responsibility doing that play that I had to get done, so I had to pay attention to it. Gotcha.

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Who did you least like in the NFL and why?

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Who did I least like in the NFL and why? A guy by the name of Patrick Creighton. Because he thought he was everything under the sun. Thought he was the best thing since life's bread. And he played for the Dallas Cowboys. You know how much you love them. I don't know. I don't know where Patrick is now, but we we had our words in the media a uh, you know, a couple times.

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Yeah. One word to describe yourself now.

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That guy. That guy. Yeah, but just put it together. Okay. Uh no, I'm a I'm a I'm a um uh aggressive.

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Okay.

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Aggressive. I was. I have calmed down some but if I if but it's something that I want to achieve, I'm gonna I'm gonna get it done.

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Yeah.

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Aggressive in that manner.

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Gotcha. Quarterback you trusted the least.

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The quarterback I trusted the least, Tony Romo.

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The coach that got on your nerves the most.

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Coach Tom Coughlin.

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That was great.

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Yeah. Love him to death. Right. But he was always on my back about just about everything. He never let me get comfortable.

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Who had the biggest ego?

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The biggest ego, I would probably say throughout throughout my time playing, I would say Tom Brady.

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Okay. Is it an ego or is it you know, required? Because it was confidence.

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Oh, he killed it.

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Yeah.

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He killed it. It worked for him.

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Exactly. That's what I'm saying. It worked for him. Uh you're in your prime versus today's linebackers. What happens?

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I don't think, no, I don't think I I think we I think we're watching it right now with with Derrick Henry. Yeah. I think we're watching it. Yeah, I feel like that.

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Be honest, are running backs underpaid?

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Oh, a hundred percent. Run yeah, yeah, running backs are underpaid. They they do more than anybody on the offensive side of the ball and get paid less. Um, it's just the way it goes because they feel like they can get anybody to come in and do that stuff, which they can't. But yeah, yeah, running backs. I'm glad Saquon Barkley got his when he went to Philly. Um, another running back just recently got paid. I think Kendall Swalker got paid when he went over to um he he just when he left Seattle, a Super Bowl MVP. Yeah. And they don't even offer him a deal in Seattle. They don't even try to bring him back. Super Bowl, Super Bowl MVP, you don't bring him back. That's crazy, right? That's bananas. But if at any other position that was a Super Bowl MVP, they would offer him a contract and to to keep him.

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One thing about the NFL you would change immediately.

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One thing about the NFL change immediately is a full contract would be guaranteed, and health care would be something that's lifetime.

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Okay. They don't do that lifetime.

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They don't do that. They give you like six years out. They give you like six years. Shoot.

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That's why the NFL stands for not for long.

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Not for long.

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So they kickoff.

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Yeah. The kickoff I think is fine now because we're get actually getting returns. Right. Because it's like that. Yeah. You can kick the ball in the end zone. Guys catch it and run it out because of the way it's set up. Right. They can't they can't move until he catches the ball. Gives them, you know, it's still kind of the same. The guys are still running, got some good speed going behind them. But I kind of like that because now you're not taking a returner out of the game anymore. You could you you can actually look in the draft and be like, did this guy ran nine kicks back last year. And you can bring him because now you got a chance to, back like back then, you you got a chance to put points on the board on a big one.

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Maybe they should move the kickers back. They're kicking the ball way too far. Yeah, they're kicking the ball far. You know what I'm saying? So that you know gives you where you do have an opportunity to return and more of an advantage for that. But what pissed you off the fastest on the field?

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What pissed me off the fastest on the field? I've had a lot of respect for everybody on the field, but the B-word, calling me a B-word is enough for me to take it serious and wait for you after the game. Ooh.

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What was the word?

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Bitch.

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Oh, oh, bitch.

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Yeah, I was trying not to say it. Don't say it around Brandon now.

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If you want to say that.

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Don't call me that. Don't call me that because I ain't never called, like, because I didn't never call that to like anyone else. Uh-huh. You know, I might have called somebody soft. I might have called somebody something like that. They might have called me soft, or hey, just have some words like that. But when you say you, you know, yeah, it's over with. I'm waiting, I might be waiting for you to do. You a little sensitive about that? I just I just don't think, like, I just don't think for like you call me a grown man and I'm an alpha at that. You feel like you can call me a bitch. Like, bro, that's fighting words.

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You just don't know me.

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Yeah, like that's fighting words. Like I could see, like, all like I like I've approached people. Like, yo, you remember you, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Man, that was just in the heat of the battle. Yeah, well, you look at me, you know. Well, we on this beach right now, South Beach, or we in Vegas at the pool. Like, yo, like, you you really call me that. Like, you really did that. Oh, man, that's just the heat of the battle. I say, I I got you. Uh I see how you stuttering now and kind of backpedaling, like deep. That was his apology. Yeah, you know, so, but that's one thing I didn't really. You could say, say anything, but don't do that, though.

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Don't do that. That's the one. That's the one. Okay, honestly, who's better, Tiki Barber or Bradshaw?

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Oh, that's a good question. People don't think that's a good question. Oh, I know. Because Tiki played longer and did more stuff. Ahmad was amazing, man. Both guys was amazing, but I think Ahmad had more capable. I think he had his tackle breaking were was higher than Tiki's.

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Tiki had the I the IQ uh and understood.

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I like how you look it out for both your boys. You don't want to commit the one or the other. Yeah. I love them both, man.

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I love them to death, man. Yeah. So Tiki had the IQ and understood the game, and you know, and that's something I learned from Tiki. Like having the IQ and learning where the guys in front of you go on, learning who your line with the block, and learning your route by learning what route the wide receiver is running. The concepts of everything. Like Tiki, I learned that from Tiki, and Ahmad came along afterwards and taught learned that from me. You know, what that but but Tiki's IQ was was out the roof. But I just think better overall, physical runner. Uh uh it'll be hard to find anybody better than Amab.

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There you go. Teammate who blew money the fastest.

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Probably Amad. He didn't mind spinning it. He didn't mind. He had fun. He really enjoyed his time. He really enjoyed his time in New York. He he he he he enjoyed, you know, he enjoyed like everything. He he's still doing good. He's still well off. He just really enjoyed himself. And you know what? And most times he enjoyed because he's a mob, right? And most times he would enjoy himself. It'd be on someone else's time. It'd be like, man, we we love a mob. Like he was just in Vegas this past weekend for his 40th birthday, and I don't think he pulled his wallet out, his wallet on one time.

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Right.

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You know, so he's gonna have fun. Right. But when he was in New York, though, man, for like most of that he had fun and he did not hold back on nothing.

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Right. Um if you could go to the Hall of Fame, do you feel like it's justifiable? Um or do you feel like it's you know, you would take a lot of heat?

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I would take a lot of heat from a lot of people, and I would take a lot of heat from people close to me. And I would get it. I would I will 100% understand that heat, but I would be happier, I would be really happy that I got the opportunity to to be there.

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Is that something you ever thought about?

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No, I never thought about it. I never thought about that because I never thought about that something that that's something that could possibly happen for me.

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But you gotta, you know, there is an argument there. I mean, two times Super Bowl champ, you know, you you did go to Pro Bowl. You you know, you were an All-American once. You you do you know, you you were on a uh a championship team beating the freaking New England Pats. Yeah. You know, there's definitely there's definitely a little bit of a pull there, and and you you led the team in touchdowns. Well, you know, 60 TDs, nothing uh write off.

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Well, I um I could look at stats. Yeah, I got uh uh invite to the Pro Bowl um as an alternate. I didn't necessarily really make make the Pro Bowl. And the time I got the alternate, I was like this first, this, the first alternate, but I think somebody fell out and I could have gone to it, but I had surgery on my thumb. I mean I had surgery on my hand. It was after that, that, that, um, it was after that the well, it was the Super Bowl was was the reason why. You know, so um I couldn't do it. But and uh because I because I had my surgery on my hand, but I made it, I made it as an alternate that year. But um, yeah, I I don't think I would be excited, but I would also understand why others are questioning the decision to put me in the Hall of Fame.

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What about the Giants Ring of Honor?

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I don't know. I I I and that's why I don't know how would that make you feel? Yeah, I would be great. I think I've done enough for that. I think so too. I think I've done enough for that. Um, but I don't know. It's still guys that played in the 60s and 70s. They're still that if they're still alive, they're still waiting to be put in. You got guys that's that's passed on and their families are waiting for them to be put in. So I mean, I can't make a fuss there about anything, man. I'm just I'm just I'm I'm just happy to ever be in a situation where I get an opportunity to play for the Giants, and if they ever decide to put me in their ring of honor, I will, I will, I would accept graciously.

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So would you do anything different about your NFL career? If you could go back and change some things, yeah. What would you do differently?

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I will work like Derrick Henry worked. I wouldn't leave, I would leave no stones unturned. I would work hard every single day. And I worked, I felt like I worked hard every single day, but now I think things are getting better with technology. So I think he he he has a lot of stuff, you know, at his fingertips than I than what I had. But I would probably work like he worked, you know, like he worked now. And that's one thing I admire about Derek is there's just his drive and his work that I think he has, the will to want to be better and the will to want to be successful for his teammates. You know, I just I I really admire him for that.

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Well, you know what? I know since football you've done a lot of coaching, you've done a lot of work with youth, you've done a lot of work with a lot of young men. Obviously, coaching is something that's really dear to your heart, making a difference in other people's lives. But when coaching disappears, what what what's left for Brandon? You know, where do you see yourself 10 years from now? What are we doing?

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Well, coaching has disappeared. It has been disappeared for three years now. Um Support my kids, man. Yeah, we'll be dad.

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Well, you got you got a big one in uh at Clemson, right now.

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Yeah, he's a Clemson Brady.

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And when I say he's a big one, he's a big one. What's he what's he what's he a 6'9 now, 6'10?

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6'83.

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6'8, 6'9.

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360, I'm gonna say.

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360 now. Ooh, they're feeding him good at Clemson.

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He needs to come down 30 pounds. You know, he needs to come down 25, 30 pounds. Yeah. Um, really athletic kid. He's this the future is really bright for him. Yeah. Um, yeah, the future's bright for him, Phil. And I got my I got my youngest, um, Quinn. He's he's playing football at Blessed Trinity. And uh, I I think the future's bright for him as well. He sat out, he's he was his first time playing last season was last season, and um he was see he set out the prior, the two years prior to, you know, to that, through the knee stuff he had. So he's back out there. Defensive end, right? Defensive end. I think I think he has uh, he's more like me. He's the big, strong athletic kid, fast, yeah, changing direction, just got it all. Yeah. You know, I think he's gonna be that freak of nature guy these next two years, and I think he'll be up ranked in the top of his class when it comes down to it.

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That's great. Um, Braden, obviously in Clemson, he's killing it over there. He started, started like five games this year, right? He's a true freshman.

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Started started five games as a true freshman. He played two at tackle and three at guard. Yeah. Believe it or not, he'll he he you know, he was able to move. He liked guard better. He liked guard because everything's a little easier for him and because it's it's barely any space in there. Right. But he liked playing tackle better because he likes the challenges. He can't get around him, too. That makes sense. Right.

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So he's tackle ch challenges him a little bit.

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Yeah. So so what we got now is he got an opportunity to be a full-time starter like this year because the work isn't done yet. He's still doing the work, so I can't automatically give him that. Yeah. Um, but from what I know and what I feel and talking to the coaches and people around that, he's gonna be the guy this year at left tackle, starting.

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Well, I think if anything, he'll take watching his dad on this, saying, hey, I would go back and work harder like Derrick Henry's doing now.

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Yeah.

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Maybe he'll take that with him now and use utilize that as some, you know, some skill and some things where he needs to do a little bit more, you know, to keep keep getting the edge on his game. Right. So size will get you so far.

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Size will get you so far, but when everything is getting is getting to just the opposite of size and speed. Yeah. Right? It's guys, smaller guys that's fast. You you have to, you may be big, but you have to move just as quick as them to be able to get your job done. And he's and he can do that. Yes. Big kid, 6'8, great footwork, great bend. Um, you know, not perfect, but I think he is gonna have an opportunity to be the best, the best tackle in his class.

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He's gonna be fun to watch. I know that. I think he'll be top two or three.

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I think he'll be top two or three tackles coming out, and he'll be a first rounder. I feel like with his size and ability that he has, um, I think he got, I think he can be a number one guy coming out. Um, but he got a lot of great, he got a lot of great tackles in his class, man. Him, uh Davis Sanders, you know, um Big Juan, Gas, and he's at Georgia playing. So a lot of guys, I think he's playing guard now, but he's you know, he's versatile as well. Yeah, but you know what?

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Braden was on the pod a long time ago, right before he was young, getting ready, going into college and stuff. But the one thing he said was not only did he want to be great, but he wanted to be the greatest. Yeah. So that's was his goal. And going to the NFL, but not just going to the NFL, but being the greatest going. He wants to be picked that way. And that's one of his goals. So I'm excited to see that dream happen.

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He has a really good coach. You had a really good offensive line coach at Clemson who's coached a lot of top, top guys. Oh, yeah. So he has that part, you know, but he's still fighting, fighting battles every day to still be the greatest he can possibly be. And I I believe in him, and I feel like he's gonna be able to accomplish that.

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Yeah. Well, that's awesome. Well, Brandon, I really appreciate you coming out here today. Thanks for having me, man. Absolutely. Anything left, tell the viewers, give them one word of encouragement, you know, advice, tell them the young people out there.

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I don't know about encouragement, but I will also tell, I will tell people that have good man, have good humanities. Right? Respect people, everybody around you, regardless of what they look like. Go be white, black, green, purple, they are a person. Yes, ma'am, no, ma'am, yes, sir, no, sir. Please, thank you. Have a good, you know, like have a good day. Hey, sir, you drop something, here you go. Hey, let me help you have good humanities. Is enough, is enough, um, uh, is enough stuff going on. There's enough hate going on out there, and I think we have to clean, I think us as people have to clean society up. Yeah. And I and it just pains me to see what is turned to out there. So I would always say have great humanities and and respect everyone regardless of what they look like.

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I love it. There you heard it, baby. Just be nice, man. Be nice to everybody, no matter where you meet them, be respectful. You never know when you're gonna meet with that person again. And as your boy Wham Bam always says, if your life was a movie, would it be worth watching? If the answer is no, stop being ordinary and start being extraordinary. So next Wednesday, baby.