Samuel Hines Sr. & Jr. | Father's Basketball Legacy Untold Until His Son Follows His Path!! | #155

This week,

I sit down with Samuel Hines Sr. and Samuel Hines Jr., a father-and-son duo whose lives have been deeply shaped by the game of basketball. From one generation to the next, we explore how the sport became more than just a game.. it became a legacy built on discipline, sacrifice, resilience, and family.

We discuss Samuel Sr.'s basketball journey, the lessons he learned along the way, and the impact those experiences had on raising Samuel Jr. We also dive into Samuel Jr.'s path as a player, what it meant to follow in his father's footsteps, and how he worked to create his own identity while carrying on the family legacy.

Samuel Sr. and Samuel Jr. share stories about the challenges and rewards of balancing family, competition, and personal growth. We talk about mentorship, overcoming adversity, the importance of strong role models, and how basketball continues to influence their lives both on and off the court.

Whether you're a basketball fan, a parent, an athlete, or someone who appreciates stories about perseverance and generational impact, this conversation offers valuable insights into what it truly means to build a lasting legacy through sport and family.



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Transcript

SPEAKER_02 0:13

Yo yo yo, it's your boy's Phil Wambam Benamino, baby. It's another Wambam Wednesday. You know the show about ordinary people doing extraordinary things. And as always, baby, first, subscribe, click the little link down below. It costs zero dollars, zero effort. Subscribe so we can keep giving these great guests and all these great stories. Today, as always, man, I got some great guests in the house. We got two professional basketball players in the house today. They're tall, they're loving, and they're here. We got Sam Times Senior in the house and his boy, little boy, not so little anymore. Sam Times Jr. Welcome, boys. How are you today? We're great, we're great. Thanks for the invite. It's a little bit, man. It's good having you guys, man. There's a lot of length right here. How tall are we right now?

SPEAKER_00 0:56

I'm six, seven. I'm the shortest of four boys in my family. Four boys? Yes, sir.

SPEAKER_02 1:01

Man. So you know what? Let's just get right into it. Obviously, you're a basketball player. We want to talk a little bit about you, senior, first. You know, tell us a little bit about your journey, man. How did you get into basketball? Tell me about your family. Where'd you come from?

SPEAKER_00 1:12

I'm from Wilson, North Carolina. Uh, grew up around one stop light, place called Lucama, North Carolina. And um, we were always outside playing uh in the streets and just stand out of trouble. And fast forward, we became grew a little taller, started playing baseball, got into basketball, didn't make the team when I was in eighth grade, until I was in eighth grade, and started.

SPEAKER_02 1:33

You didn't make the basketball team or the baseball team?

SPEAKER_00 1:35

Didn't make I made the baseball team, didn't make the basketball team, but still I was in eighth grade.

SPEAKER_02 1:39

That's a little Michael Jordan story, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:40

Yeah, I had to I had to learn the fundamentals, you know, hustle, kept learning from the better players. Then I saw that I was handling myself with the bigger players, and I started to believe in myself. So after that, went to Wilson Fight, one of the biggest schools in uh Wilson, North Carolina. We got close to winning the state championship. I was captain of the team. Mike Shosheski, Dean Smith, Jim Valvana, all the big guys came to recruit me. And Sheshewski wanted me to come to Duke. Unfortunately, when he asked me that question, what is your GPA? I said 2.2. He said, I can't do it. His head went down. He was like, What is this? Then that's when I took, that's when I really realized it's about being a student athlete, not an athlete student.

SPEAKER_02 2:16

So that being said, though, you continue to play.

SPEAKER_00 2:18

I continue to play. We went to Chipola Junior College. I joined my brothers, my other two brothers, brothers uh in Chipotle for two more years. Then I was recruited uh heavily again. And for me, not having the right mentor in place, uh, I ended up choosing South Alabama, which was fine. But my I had a good chance to go to going to Florida too for the exposure to become a pro. Uh South Alabama is a baseball school, I found out later. But had a lot of fun, made a lot of friends, still go to the games to see the uh old coaches and old players. And then after that, I signed with an agent who took me overseas for the first seven years of my career.

SPEAKER_02 2:53

So, you know, let's talk a little bit about that. First of all, I gotta know what position did you play in baseball?

SPEAKER_00 2:57

I was first, I wanted to play first base because it's always most of the action. I hate being bored. Yeah. Are you lefty? Righty.

SPEAKER_02 3:05

Oh, you're righty, okay. Because a lot of first basemans are left hand. I was just curious.

SPEAKER_00 3:08

Right hand. Uh third base when it went necessary. Then I became a pitcher in high school because I could really maneuver the ball. And I was maybe 80-something miles per hour, but they couldn't hit it. And um, I played against one of the best teams in high school, Greenville Rose, number one in the state, big guys, home runs. Uh, pitched a one hitter. Yeah. It was like, how in the world? But I had all the maneuver. I was just athletic, just trying to be smarter than the next guy.

SPEAKER_02 3:32

You feel like that helped you in basketball as well?

SPEAKER_00 3:34

Yes, handout coordination, as well as uh pickleball today.

SPEAKER_02 3:37

You a pickleball man?

SPEAKER_00 3:38

They said I should go pickleball.

SPEAKER_02 3:39

It's so funny. It's so funny. These big, you know, big basketball players now, even tennis players and stuff, they're tall and long, they're all getting in the pickleball world, aren't they?

SPEAKER_00 3:47

I love it. In the last eight months, I lost 30 pounds playing pickleball.

SPEAKER_02 3:51

30 pounds. You lost 30 pounds playing pickleball. Is it because it's out in the heat at 100 degrees, or is it, you know, you're actually moving? Yeah, you a little bit of both. Yeah. A little bit of both. You play singles or doubles?

SPEAKER_00 4:01

Uh both.

SPEAKER_02 4:01

Both. Okay.

SPEAKER_00 4:02

All right. It's a 27-year-olds. Uh got a little tired one um tournament, lost, but you when you finish, you they come up and you're like, man, you're a beast. So you get the respect and you've kind of got to go work on a few things, and that's what I do. But maybe we can play a little pickleball. We will. We will. Yeah, we're gonna short that session out.

SPEAKER_02 4:18

For sure. So, you know, you said you got uh you got an agent. So back then, and I'm saying back then, because today's day a little bit different. Very different. You know, the journey of your son, which we're gonna get into in a minute, you know, I'm sure was a lot different than your journey. It was so obviously getting an agent and he's saying, hey, you want to go overseas? Well, what was that day like? Because you're getting paid now, are you signing a contract, you're gonna leave your family, mom and dad, you're you know, you're going to a country you don't know anything about. I mean, talk a little bit about that.

SPEAKER_00 4:45

Yeah, um, I had a friend who I played with in Atlanta. So he asked me to sign with a gentleman by the name of Neil Vaswani. He took me to uh Mexico, my first uh professional international experience. So fast forward in the next four years, we win three championships out of the four years. So we were like the Lakers over there. And it was, and people always ask me, is the basketball good over there? It's good. You may not have all 12 teams great, top four, top six, but it's very good basketball. You still gotta score the ball. I don't care who you're playing against. The money was okay, but you had you gotta start somewhere. Sure. And I think honestly, my agent seemed to he didn't have the connection to get me through the door. Because there's no way, in my opinion, you can average 30 points. You never can get an invite in the NBA camp, no training, you know, no tryout. Right. So it's ridiculous. So the frustrating thing, running shoe back in the day by the airport, seven basketball courts. When we go play there against NBA players, overseas players, I was either better than them or I was as equal.

SPEAKER_02 5:47

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 5:48

But they were making the millions, and I'm just making jump change. So it was very frustrating. So with him, I wanted to make sure he had the best opportunity to do it the right way, starting from school, uh, being that true student athlete, which he did a wonderful job, and then basketball second.

SPEAKER_02 6:01

Right. Well, you know what? It's gonna be tough being a father, okay, who's actually played it and's gone through the journey, and you're trying to guide him, you know, into a different way. Junior, let's talk to you a little bit. You know, what what was your life growing up as a kid, knowing dad, you know, was a basketball player and he's trying to guide you into that. Did he push you to play?

SPEAKER_01 6:21

Uh I wouldn't necessarily say he pushed me to play specifically basketball. I think we're just a sports family in general. Coming to my dad, like he said, he mentioned all his three brothers that played D1. My aunt played in W W NBA. My mom's a little bit athlete. My sister was a great volleyball player. So sports was a part of my life growing up. I played basketball, football, baseball. And it's just something I love to do. I still love to do it now. Like when people ask me what I like to do for fun, anything competitive. It could be bowling, it could be golf. I just like to compete.

SPEAKER_02 6:49

You know, it's funny. You talk about competitive and I'm bringing it back to pickleball. You know, you're in a position now, you're playing pickleball just to compete, you know, because you got to find a sport at our age. You get a little bit older, you realize you can't do some of the things you used to do. You know, we can't stop Father Time, regardless. You know, so we just try to find other ways to compete because you are a competitor, you know. So competition is important, obviously, in the family. But did you feel the pressure? You know, having you know, three brothers, I guess, and and dad, you guys ended up some pretty hoop-up games, didn't you? Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 7:20

When I was younger, you know, it was more just fun. Once I started getting more to middle school, high school, then I was like, the games are getting, you know, rougher, physical. You know, I started like crying after I was losing and stuff like that. And that's what made me realize, man, I can't keep losing this for forever. So that's when I was like, I gotta work like to where they can't even touch me on the court.

SPEAKER_02 7:39

Now your dad coached you as well, correct? So, you know, teaching and stuff. When you were crying, what'd he say to you, man? Did he just like wake them damn tears or what?

SPEAKER_01 7:48

Yeah, it was just more like a you, you know, you gotta live and learn type deal. You know, if you want to not cry and work so you can beat me. He wasn't gonna uh be soft to me because you know, I grew up probably nicer than most people. So some people may think, you know, he's grew up nice, so he may be soft, but that's not the case at all. When I get on the court, people people realize, you know, it ain't it ain't sweet over here, you know. I play offense and defense, and I guard, commend myself for guarding the best player on the court and locking them down. That's something that I feel like is one of my great greatest assets as well.

SPEAKER_02 8:19

What are you playing right now? Tell the viewers right now, because I know you're going pro overseas as well.

SPEAKER_01 8:23

Yeah, so right now, my first year, I played a couple months in Slovakia, and then I was in Poland, and I'm about to sign with another team in Poland. So that's my next one.

SPEAKER_02 8:31

What's that like, man, being over another whole nother country and stuff?

SPEAKER_01 8:34

It was a completely different experience to me because I obviously had dad who played 17 years overseas professional, but I was a very little, so I didn't remember a lot of those things. So going over there was a little bit of a shell shock, like the all the signs were in different languages. But after a week, a week or two and stuff like that, you you start to really get used to it. And the people, luckily, is in Poland, they were real nice to me, treated me well, and the fans, I love the fans there, it's just amazing fans. They're so passionate. Yeah, and that's why I love about playing overseas. It's like they care about their sports a lot, right?

SPEAKER_02 9:05

Right. You know, growing up, obviously, you went to college as well. You know, they got NIL money, and so were you uh a part of any of that? Did you have a chance to get any of that?

SPEAKER_01 9:13

Yeah, so my last year at Southeastern Louisiana, I was the first uh student athlete to receive NIL on the men's basketball team. Yeah, so that was uh a blessing to be able to uh get get that done. And thanks to the coaching staff, Coach Kiefer, who believed in me and allowed me, uh he gave me the confidence to just play my game and gave me an opportunity to go in there and do what I need to do at that school. So I give a lot of credit to Coach Kiefer and that staff for allowing me to just play my game and help me become a better leader as well.

SPEAKER_02 9:40

Senior, what you know, how how do you feel about the whole NIL situation stuff?

SPEAKER_00 9:45

I was in South Alabama. I was a star on the team. There was a $3 party on campus. I had no money for it. It was very embarrassing, but they let me in because I was a good guy athlete. I thought it was embarrassing. So I feel that athletes need a certain amount of money. I really don't like that it's so different from the say the star versus the lower guy. I think they need to balance it out better and spread that money uh around. Right.

SPEAKER_02 10:08

The star's gonna bring more action. Yeah. The star's gonna bring more fan base. But but he's gonna get, you know, a little bit more noise.

SPEAKER_00 10:14

You still need that dude to pass you the ball so you can go score. He important, he's important. Sure. That's just how I think. And just like when I coached young kids, uh, I told the towel boy, I told the team, the towel boy is important. So you respect him when he gives you a towel or whatever. Everybody's gonna be treated equal. And that's kind of how I think.

SPEAKER_02 10:30

Love that. Love that for sure. But the reality is, you know, different people bring different levels and different things. And I do believe there are tears. My question to you is how do you feel about these big bags that are getting passed out to these college kids? Because now they don't really have to go play and you know, GoPro right away because they can play college five, six years now, and they're, you know, they're making some of these people are making five, six million dollars playing in college.

SPEAKER_00 10:55

Exactly. I think that um sometimes we make it too easy for these kids today. They don't really, to me, earn it like we had to. Right. So I just think sometimes, but the money's there, it's there, it's the way it is. Um, I just want them to spread it around a little bit more.

SPEAKER_02 11:10

I think the theory is they shouldn't allow the kids to actually use the money right away. Meaning, if somebody gets you know paid NIL deal, I'm all for that stuff, but they can't touch that money for 10 years.

SPEAKER_00 11:24

I like it.

SPEAKER_02 11:24

Let them be a kid, let them go through. Because what happens is they start buying things, they're buying cars, they're buying watches, before you know they're broke, right? You know what I'm saying? Or they get injured and something happens and they don't have a future. You know, if that's the thing. Or they don't get the you know, the proper understanding of the value of a dollar and what it does.

SPEAKER_00 11:42

Exactly.

SPEAKER_02 11:42

You know, so give them a pe give them 10%, let them do what they want of it, and the rest, I think this should hold off for 10 years. I agree. I just want my own personal. I think that would just make the whole thing a lot better for that.

SPEAKER_00 11:51

It's just like the Alan Irison story when we found out he uh, I guess couldn't touch his uh shoe money until he was 40. Right. And he went through some ups and downs, I think, personally. And now he's you know, I guess matured and now he's okay. I thought that was it's the same thing. Wait 10 years or more and mature about financial literacy.

SPEAKER_02 12:09

So, Junior, having your dad as a coach growing up obviously had to be a little bit tougher, a little bit pressure. Were you the guy that said, you know, I need a game, you know, two seconds left, you're down, give me the ball.

SPEAKER_01 12:19

When I was younger, so I played up. So I wasn't like the star on the team. So I wouldn't say necessarily that was my role back then. I was more like, you know, defend, hit the open shots. It was not like, you know, I'm coach's son, so I'm gonna play a bunch of minutes. I had to earn my spot. So that wasn't my role back then. But also once I got older and like I was playing for hoops and sand and his team then, then I was like, because then I was better, in my opinion, I had to develop my game. Then I was like, yeah, I need the ball. Like I need the ball. If you want to win, give me the ball.

SPEAKER_02 12:45

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SPEAKER_01 13:15

I think they they lack the being prepared for the opportunity. Okay. Uh they always say that if you you even you get luck, people call it luck, but you also have to be prepared to receive that luck. So if you're not prepared for the opportunity, it's just like it's not gonna go your way. But if you've been working for that opportunity, been putting in the work, been practicing on those shots, or staying in shape, stuff like that, then when the opportunity comes, you can uh uh perform to the best of your ability. So I f I feel like being prepared is the most important part. Like you never know when your number can get called, a team might want you to come play in their gym or trial, stuff like that. So you just gotta be prepared, in my opinion.

SPEAKER_02 13:48

What do you feel like is your best part of your game?

SPEAKER_01 13:51

I feel like the best part is my versatility. Uh I feel like a lot of people uh can't do what I can do. I can guard one through four. Um I'm obviously very athletic, but I I believe my versatility allows me to play different positions, guard bigger guys, and then if you put a bigger guy on me, I can go past him. Uh I can shoot the three well. So I feel like I'm just a well-rounded uh player, honestly.

SPEAKER_02 14:14

Yeah. Dad, what are you what are your thoughts on him? Obviously, you coach him, it's your son. What's his best piece on the uh on the court?

SPEAKER_00 14:21

I think he's the best scorer. He uh one one good friend, Chuck Person, said, you know, Mr. Chuck from Indiana Pacers, he just trained Sam. He looked at him for a couple of sessions and he said Sam tries to fit in when he's the star. And I agree. Because I played enough and I trained enough kids, and then I happen to have a kid that has happen had, you know, had the abilities that is, in my opinion, one of the best I've ever coached. He just gotta go out there, don't turn down his shots, penetrate, share the ball. But sometimes you gotta be a little selfish too. Especially if y'all are down and no one else is scoring. Don't keep passing that ball. So we uh recently just started looking at video of his uh actions last some games last year. We talked about, okay, pause, why didn't you shoot that? Oh, I was thinking, dah dah, and I said, nah, that's a shot. Because by the time the ball went here, here, here, it's a turnover. That was the best shot. So we're trying to break it down and be more efficient and uh so he can be that true star that I know he is.

SPEAKER_02 15:13

You know, growing up, there's always plays, right? And you develop plays for a shooter. You know, what's it like being overseas and and so I know like NBA is a lot different. You know, as you get older, you're professional, it's about the shot. You know, who's got the best shot and the clear shot, take it. You know, is that pretty much how the games are run overseas as well? Or do you guys actually set up plays?

SPEAKER_01 15:35

I would say it's a little bit more structured than the game, uh like NBA or G League. So yeah, you're gonna have your open shots and stuff like that. But if you don't have something probably within the first seven seconds, most likely you'll probably run a set. And the I feel like a lot of the coaches overseas, they um pride themselves on being uh very smart and trying to attack mismatches and being tactical. Like a lot of the coaches want to be tactical. So you do have to uh kind of learn how to adjust to that if you're used to playing this the game over here. But there's definitely opportunities to be able to attack and still play your game. But you you they like, in my opinion, from what I've experienced, they definitely like to try to attack mismatches and see who's the weakest defender and go at them and be tactical in certain aspects. Uh I'd probably say the one I know of Sasha, I don't know his last name. Is that Sasha with a V Venus? He plays for Olympiacos, he just won the MVP in the Euro League.

SPEAKER_02 16:22

Okay. And how do you compare with him? I'm throwing it right on you.

SPEAKER_01 16:25

Uh, I would say I play against NBA players, Euro League players. I feel like I'm just as good as any of them. So whether it's him, NBA players, I feel like I'm I'm at that level, honestly.

SPEAKER_02 16:35

So let me ask you this. You want to get into the NBA? Yes. Is that the goal? That's the goal, 100%. So what's next? How do we get there from where you are? Like a kid that's playing overseas, like what's the next step? What do you have to do?

SPEAKER_01 16:45

Uh from from what I've talked to my agent, my dad, I believe I gotta, you know, be present, be where my feet are. So when I go to my next team, make sure that I'm aggressive on the court. Um, I'm not turning down shots that I should be shooting, and just really uh take control of my my destiny. Don't let uh kind of others control my destiny and be the player I know I can be, because I know if I'm playing how I should play, guarding how I can guard, uh the teams will eventually see me and they will find me because they'll find you anywhere in the world. So I just gotta take care and have a good season this year. I gotta win, help my team win. That's very important. People wanna want winners on their team. So just go out there and dominate on the court to where they they have to bring me in for like champs and stuff like that.

SPEAKER_02 17:26

So you know what? You got some advantage that your dad never had growing up. And one of that is social media. I mean, it's so easy now to put out and find talent if you're putting it out there. You know what I mean? So do you have a good social media team that's actually putting your stuff out there and showing it to the world? Because that's really important, man.

SPEAKER_01 17:44

I I do not at the moment. I have started, you know, posting more on TikTok and I've created a YouTube about my overseas journey. Uh-huh. But that's something I'm I'm definitely wanting to continue to grow and post more videos and just take videos because I play sometimes, but I'm not taking videos of me playing. And I'll be like, damn, I should have recorded that. Yeah. So just trying to get more into that where I have somebody recording these things so they can see, and I can put it on social media, like you said, so others can see as well.

SPEAKER_02 18:07

I think it's really interesting, man. Just knowing a kid here from the United States going overseas and playing, just the whole journey. Like you're saying, signs are different, the words are there. Like, how do you adapt? Like that to me, that whole journey would be kind of cool to watch, you know. And I'm sure people out there would watch you and follow you, and just to know that and to be an exceptional athlete as well. You know, that's how you get the buzz. Where can people find you right now? Let's show this up.

SPEAKER_01 18:31

On TikTok, I am SHJ18. Instagram, I am SHJ18, Twitter, I am SHJ18.

SPEAKER_02 18:39

So listen, man, if these people are gonna follow you, you gotta put up more material. We got to see some things.

SPEAKER_01 18:43

Yeah, I'm on TikTok, I've been I've been consistent. I've been posting at least one or two videos every day. And my YouTube, my get overseas, I'm definitely gonna give y'all that content so y'all can see what it's really like and just share some gems. Like today, I had to get my international passport to get the car. And some people don't know how to do that. So I'm definitely gonna make a video to give y'all some tips if you need to learn how to get that permit.

SPEAKER_02 19:03

So, you know, going overseas, do you is it harder to get back and forth? You know, obviously, Dad, you can't make all the games, can you? I mean, that's a that that that's be pretty expensive going back and forth, flying back and forth to the different games.

SPEAKER_00 19:14

And that's why I uh went over, I think what, March, April, stayed about a month. That was the plan to see four games. Because they were at that time I was playing once a week. So just kind of buying the ticket a little bit out at uh in you know, a few months ahead of time was you know advantageous. But I had to see my boy, you know. Then uh and it's so funny. Uh I got a chance to see my old coach of 30 years ago. Oh, nice. Then uh they invited me to the old gym and we saw old players. Uh then I was like, well, I'm too close to Italy not to fly to Italy. Uh so I took six days, I flew to Italy where they inducted me to the Hall of Fame. Six years uh in Cantu, Italy. So they showed me so much love, vino, wine. Love the battalions, baby. I gained 14 pounds. Now I know why you lost 30. There you go. I had to get it back. So it was wonderful. The trip was wonderful. We're planning to go at least two times this uh upcoming season.

SPEAKER_02 20:10

Yeah. When dad shows up, do you play better?

SPEAKER_01 20:12

I think I do. It depends. I'm not gonna lie. Sometimes I think I do because then it's like he's watching, and then I know if I don't do something, he's gonna say something. So I I feel like I do, and then we we also can work on things after or before practice where he'll give me little tips. Yeah, but I think it just motivates me to play better because I know he, if not, he I'm gonna hear it from him.

SPEAKER_02 20:31

Gotcha. Who growing up, who's your idol, junior or senior?

SPEAKER_00 20:35

Michael Jordan.

SPEAKER_02 20:36

Michael Jordan. He's the man.

SPEAKER_00 20:39

Yeah. Yeah. Um, no, Mike just had the aggressiveness. I told Sam, I said, when we watch TV back in the day, we will take something like from a Jordan, or I used to go to outside now and practice the Ralph uh Ralph Sampson hook, the Larry Berg uh arching shot. And I can when I put all that together, you can't stop me. So I want to make sure he understands um Jordan just had that will to win. I'm not saying other players don't. He was not passing up the ball just because he's kind of been double. He might spin off, bump you with the shoulder, he still can get his shot off. That's how I was. And I when I see him playing and kind of being, hey, no, you should have ripped through. You should. Why'd he pass the ball? You should have ball fake. You didn't do those little subtle things to at least get them off their feet. And maybe they fail you. If they don't, you've got two. Now you can pass the ball. So we really get into the details of do you really have to pass it that time? You're strong. We've been in the weight room. That's when you put that elbow in his his uh chest. So he cleans all that up and he has done it. Like I said, we'll go to the Paul Millsat uh gym over the years, play against the pros, and he's doing very well. And I said to him not too long ago, over the years, you have shown me as hard as you know, you've shown me you can play with the best. But when you go and play professional or college basketball, again, you can't turn down certain shots because it might end up in a turnover or just a bad play. And people people know, like they'll be like, In the stand, like why'd he shoot that? So that's let's let's be again efficient and believe in what you done in those in those gyms, putting up 800 shots, 1,000 shots. You're a great player.

SPEAKER_02 22:09

You guys playing one-on-one who's winning?

SPEAKER_00 22:10

I will win some games, but he'll get me. He'll get me. Um, but what I try, what I hope he takes from there is how how is a 55-year-old man still kind of scoring some buggers on you? And it's those ball fakes and you know, the balance. And like I said, if he does that and does it aggressively, I shouldn't be able to stop him.

SPEAKER_02 22:29

All right, Junior, I'm gonna ask you now because you know we'll see if dad's telling the truth. Who's winning one-on-one? You and him.

SPEAKER_01 22:34

I'm winning. But let him finish. Let him finish. I'll give him his credit. He he's he's definitely hard to stop on offense because even though he's not as mobile as he was when he was younger, he knows how to use pump fakes and he's very strong. So he knows how to use bumps and stuff like that. He he can hit difficult shots.

SPEAKER_02 22:51

So do you play him harder or do you play him softer because he's your dad?

SPEAKER_01 22:57

If he makes me mad, I'll play really hard. Okay.

SPEAKER_02 22:59

All right. Because you know, once you beat dad, the chances of dad playing with you stop, right? So I know I know that. My father did it with golf. When I beat my father in golf, he's not playing golf with me. He doesn't want to play golf with no more.

SPEAKER_00 23:13

I told him the best way to shut me up is to just beat me. And right now I'm not shut up.

SPEAKER_02 23:18

He's almost there. Come on. You know, okay. We got a court out there, too. We can go one on one too.

SPEAKER_01 23:26

From this day forward, he stayed talking. Come on, bro.

SPEAKER_00 23:32

He'll be 80 years old and still think he can beat me, bro. No, we played three games. Maybe tomorrow. You beat me three games. I'm gonna stop talking. Okay.

SPEAKER_02 23:39

Okay, we'll play till let me beat you. That's a company. What do you guys play till?

SPEAKER_00 23:43

We might go to five by ones and then repeat.

SPEAKER_02 23:46

Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 23:46

Yeah, nice, hard, aggressive, short.

SPEAKER_02 23:48

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 23:48

Give me my water break.

SPEAKER_02 23:52

Junior's going, boy, he's tearing it up. Now the pressure's on, man. Shoot, we might even follow some cameras around just to see how that one goes.

SPEAKER_00 23:58

We'll video and shoot you some stuff.

SPEAKER_02 24:00

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SPEAKER_00 26:29

I want to say hard work beats talent. Because dang, he works hard. Um sometimes, you know, you're not lucky, you're not, you know, maybe.

SPEAKER_02 26:38

But there's some talented people out there, man. They're just born, you know what I'm saying? They're gifted. Yep. And you can work as hard as you want, but you ain't never gonna be that person.

SPEAKER_00 26:46

Yeah, I was at run and shoot back in the day, and you had some talented players. Yeah. But they ain't had harder than this other kid over here. I chose those other scrubs supposedly Scrubs who played hard and we won all day. So I'd be rather take a hard worker than a talented guy.

SPEAKER_02 27:01

Yeah. Well, you know, you've coached all different levels. So you not only have you played with the big boys, but you also coach kids too. And you've coached things right up to 7A where you've won championships and stuff. Um I believe your son was on it on a team, right? You know, what what do you think the differences in genres and stuff? Do you is younger kids easier to coach? Is it the older kids? I mean, where do you have more effect on them uh on the playing side of it all?

SPEAKER_00 27:26

You know, when I was part of a great AAU team, Gaming League, I was the third coach just being on the team. I would have loved to coach that team because they're already talented. Now, if you don't hustle back, I've you can rotate you out real quick. It's it'll be real simple. Now, the younger kids, you gotta scream. Not you're not screaming because you're mad at them. No, rotate, rotate, yeah, because you're teaching them. So I think it's old uh easier to teach. It's much it's a lot of fun to see them develop. Yeah. But to teach older kids, I never got that chance because I was either community coach and giving my advice and trying to stay out of the way, not trying to, you know, those comes on the pro, trying to take over. But his AAU team had all the tools, and I wished I would have had a chance to coach them.

SPEAKER_02 28:03

Did you did you play daddy ball when you did coach him? No, no, no.

SPEAKER_00 28:07

Like he said, it was one time. One time he said, uh, when I was coaching him, he he came out maybe four minutes in the game. I'm not tired. He was energetic. I said, Yeah, but other kids gotta play. He said, Well, okay, you can get up. I said, No, I said that said to him one time, like everybody else got to play. And I told him that maybe one time, and he's like, Okay, it was cool. He wasn't bugging me. I said, But when you go in, full speed, you come out, smile face, happy, cheerful others. He was great at that.

SPEAKER_02 28:31

Yeah. Dad ever pissed you off when he was coaching. Come on, give us the dirt, give us the truth.

SPEAKER_01 28:35

100%, especially within training.

SPEAKER_02 28:37

Yeah, talk to me about it. I don't know. It's just what would he do? What would he do to major man?

SPEAKER_01 28:42

He's just different. Any of my friends that have worked out with me, Sion, Russ, any of my friends, they understand, like he's uh he's crazy. Like, if we like we'll do be doing like weights, for example. He'll just like, I'm tired. We done already did 30 minutes waits. He's done. Okay, last set. Okay, I did my last set. Okay, next set, another 10. I'm like, you just did the last set. Our arms are dead tired. We we like, what you mean? Because you know, if it's a last set, you give your all normally. So I ain't got no more to give. Sometimes I don't feel like they wait.

SPEAKER_02 29:15

Hold on, hold on. I gotta ask you. So when he said last set, you did the last set, and then he said one more set, did you happen to do any more? I probably ended it up, yeah, but you had more. I knew you had the difference. Ray Phil, you know, that is the difference. As a parent, as a coach, as a that's our job. Yeah, we are supposed to push every little bit out of you. That's the difference between going to overtime and getting that last second shot and then dying and being tired. You know what I'm saying? And I don't care who you are. It's like, you know, it's a mindset, right? Because you think you're done. So you think you're done, you tell your brain you're done, you tell your body you're done, you're done. But really, you can do more. That's the whole thing. But if nobody tells you to do more, what would you have done? If he wasn't there to tell you to do another set, you'd have been like, all right, man, we're done. Let's go, let's go to showers, let's kick it. You know what I'm saying? You can't evolve, you can't grow unless you do more. You have to do more, you know? And everybody's like, well, okay, so 10's the number. Why is 10 the number? Why who made 10 a number? Who made 12? You gotta do 12 reps. Who made 20 reps? What who made 30 reps? Like, what's the number? You know what I'm saying? It it's a it's a mindset, that's all it is. And dad's just trying to push you to your to your best.

SPEAKER_00 30:26

You know, think about it. If we're doing benching, um, I remember my friend Greg Hillman. We had 80 pounds, and he was behind me when I'm tired. He's that that support, that four and five, that fifth one breaks the tissues, gets you stronger. That's what I'm looking for.

SPEAKER_02 30:42

It makes you believe that you can get an extra one or two reps and do a little more.

SPEAKER_00 30:47

And I was strong, I don't know what.

SPEAKER_02 30:49

Yeah. And it paid off. Well, obviously, you're 55 years old, you're still playing out there on the courts. Let's talk about that a little bit. What's it like? Because injuries and stuff today are really, really bad, right? It happens, you know, people go through it. Uh, what are you doing to take care of your body?

SPEAKER_00 31:03

Again, uh lifting some weights, uh, not as heavy, just more reps. Um, I need to stay in the gym a little bit more. Uh, but I got a chance to play in Fort Lauderdale five uh 50 and up, did very well. Um, we just had 10 players, four got hurt because we're not staying in shape, so we had six, so I had to play a lot more minutes. Uh but just get in the hot tub, coat.

SPEAKER_02 31:24

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 31:24

Stretching, which I need to do more. But as long as I stretch and uh lift weights, I'll be fine.

SPEAKER_02 31:30

Well, you know, they got recover so much recovery now, right? So many, so many different things. Red light, cold plunge, you know, like I said, steam, sauna, all these types of things are really important. Hyperbaric chambers. Overseas, do you have access to those types of things? You know, or are they giving you the opportunity to after practice to go in there and recover and do those things?

SPEAKER_01 31:48

Yeah, at my first stop in Sfakia, we didn't have much, I'm not gonna lie. I it was kind of like get it on your own. But when I was in Poland, we we had the cold tub, we had the Norma Tech boots, dry needling, we had a physio, a pretty good physio. Uh so we had a pretty good resource in the team I'm about to go to, they they have most of those things as well. So it they definitely have pretty good resources. It depends where you go, obviously.

SPEAKER_02 32:10

I mean, you're playing a lot, it's gotta be it was hard on the knees. As you get older, it's gonna take, you know, it's gonna take over. So you you gotta take care of that. What's your biggest adversity that you face going over season playing?

SPEAKER_01 32:21

I say the biggest adversity was more of a personal thing, was because I went in December, and you know, most people go into August before the season. And it was just it kind of I was kind of in my head a little bit because I'm like, why am I home when everybody else is like playing basketball overseas or in the G League or in NBA when I know that I can play at all those levels, and so it was just something I had to overcome mentally, and then when I did get the opportunity to go overseas, I'm like, okay, I gotta make the most of this because I was home when other people were here, and so clearly they they thought those other players were better than me because I wasn't I wasn't with a team, right? So I made sure to just remember those things when it was time to play the game or practice, or when it's time to shoot before or after practice. Like they didn't believe in you, so you gotta go out there and show them like why why they missed the opportunity and show the team that did take a chance on you why why they made a good investment to choose you.

SPEAKER_02 33:13

You know, I was gonna say what's your biggest lesson as well as adversity. You know, so what what's the biggest lesson you've taken from being overseas and and playing over there?

SPEAKER_01 33:22

I say the biggest lesson is probably just to be intentional with what you do. And that that that's on the court and off the court because you can do a lot of things that can make you better or or worse overseas. Like if you're out there partying a bunch, or if your teammates, for example, are are not putting in the work, that that can make you feel like, oh, you know, they're not doing it, why should I? So, but I had to sometimes, you know, that was the case, and I'm like, okay, I gotta be intentional. I might not have the same goals as they they they do. They might just, you know, be okay with playing here, winning here and there, and you know, getting their paycheck. But I won't I have a goal of playing in NBA and stuff like that. So while some of them may not want to put in put in shots or put in weights or stretch, cold tub, I'm like, bro, no, I got different goals. I need to stay locked into what I need to do. So just being intentional with what I do, regardless of what others are doing.

SPEAKER_02 34:10

You know, ask your dad who his favorite player growing up. Who was yours?

SPEAKER_01 34:13

My favorite player is two, it's my dad, obviously.

SPEAKER_02 34:15

And then no, that's not obvious. I was curious. Okay, you know, so not everybody can say that.

SPEAKER_01 34:20

I mean, realistically, you know, it was my dad and LeBron, but I was younger when he was playing, but I had the opportunity to see him play a lot, like at Concourse and Lifetime and stuff like that. And those those were that was like really fun to watch when I was younger because I'll never forget one time at Concourse, and this was like towards the end of his playing career, but he was playing against uh this former NBA player, and he had like 30 or something, and then he hit the shot to go into overtime and they won that game. And it was just game stuff like that, being at those games.

SPEAKER_02 34:47

So you remember watching that.

SPEAKER_01 34:48

Yeah, I remember and you got to see that, so that's awesome. That's why like I know he he was like everybody that talks about him always former teammates, even the people in Poland, like, dude, your dad was so good, like he his scoring machine.

SPEAKER_02 35:00

Like, how's that make you feel?

SPEAKER_01 35:01

I'm like, dang, I I got a lot of work to do, you know. That's how I truly am like, I want to be better. So yeah, that means I gotta do put in more work.

SPEAKER_02 35:10

Put the pressure on. Put the pressure on. Yeah, yeah, that's gonna make you feel good when you hear that when you go over there and people are still talking about you. I mean, you know what you said over there and what you did over there, obviously, but now it pushes him that he's gotta do a little bit more to keep the name, you know, that Heinz, there's an expectation for him.

SPEAKER_00 35:25

Yeah, I I said to Sam one time, people always ask me, does he want to do it? I said, let me ask him, you know, I said, No, I want to do it. I said, please don't do it because of me. If you want to stop basketball, we're gonna love you either way. Yeah, make sure we understood. I think I told him that a while back, and he was, I think he said relieved, uh he was relieved to hear that. But um, like I said, I put in the work. Uh he's put in the work. I make sure he put in the work. Sometimes you don't you don't have to like the disappointment, he went and worked out without me. You don't have to tell him to go work out. Right. Um, we were trying to find uh, you know, some open gyms while while he's here so he can go five on five. It's a different type of workout. Uh we did well yesterday up in this area. Um and um I just know he's got all the tools to be great. So with a great agent, NBA agent Andre Buck uh setting up a plan for us for him to get where he needs to get in the future. I think we we have a good team around him. We're gonna do the social media, what you uh suggest even more this year.

SPEAKER_02 36:20

Sure. But I'm excited to watch it. What you gotta do, man? You gotta do uh challenge the one-on-one. Is it MK? You know, the basketball player, he he he does one-on-one. Okay. You ever see him play?

SPEAKER_01 36:29

I ain't seen him yet.

SPEAKER_02 36:30

Oh man, he's he's he's blown up on YouTube and and Instagram and everywhere. So yeah, he goes out and just challenge one-on-one. But uh, yeah, MK, we'll throw him up here and stuff. But you know, it'd be kind of fun to see, you know, somebody like yourself go against him and see how that goes. Because he goes out there and he he he puts it on people, you know. Not too many people have really won against him. Um, and he's just making a living playing on damn YouTube, making more money than some of the pros are playing in the NBA, which is pretty crazy. It's awesome. You know, so yeah, you have to check them out, you have to look them up. But that's the power of social media, and that's the power of the world, you know, type type of things. Um, you know, talking about your other brothers. What are your what are your three other brothers feeling? Are they in basketball as well? What's going on with them?

SPEAKER_00 37:12

Uh Keith is an entrepreneur. He's uh, what is he, up and down the East Coast trying to raise money for his cause. Um has to do with polymer. Um Kevin, he is here currently with me. He is working for, I think, um, he's in Raleigh, North Carolina, working for the city. Uh Kevin went to Clemson, Keith went to um what do you call it? Texas AM, I think. But we all were at Chipotle Junior College. So they're supporting him. Um, you know, what I've learned is like I don't want to over talk talk to him so much. I said, you know, the uncles will talk to him about what he needs to do, you know, you know, carry the name or whatever. Just be the be the best you can be. Uh and like say, don't turn out shots. And then my best friend at Chipot Junior College used to tell me, he said, Sam, you used to do the same thing at Chipotle. I said, Really? So that was interesting to hear.

SPEAKER_02 38:00

Start watching some old films.

SPEAKER_00 38:02

Yeah, he just he knew he knew all that. He said, No, you just turn out the shots. I said, Okay, we gotta make sure he doesn't, you know. I said, that was interesting to hear, though. But I think while I turn it down, I could pass it to my brother Kevin, who was the better player. So, but when he's the best player, it's to me, it's a little different.

SPEAKER_02 38:16

Right.

SPEAKER_00 38:17

You can't turn it down and give it to Joe Blow, who's 0 for 10.

SPEAKER_02 38:19

Right. I don't even think it's about that. I I think again, it's all about the shot. If you have the shot, take it. Because if you're not willing to take it, you shouldn't be on the quarter. Yeah. Which is my own personal opinion. I mean, that's just my thoughts. I told my wife You got five professional people playing that are getting paid to play a game, okay, for entertainment for the rest of the world. You know what I'm saying? They all better be capable of making that shot. If you got an open shot, you better take it. Because if you don't take it, that means you don't have the confidence and you're weak, in my mind. Right. You know what I'm saying? It's like boom. And then there's some people that shouldn't take shots. True. Okay, but they try. You know what I'm saying? They might do something a little different. Then maybe they get stuffed, they try to drive or whatever, but at least you give them the opportunity to say, hey, at least he he took one and took it to the hole. You know, he tried to do something with it, you know, instead of trying to make something happen. So I think you gotta always, especially in your position, because you're still young, you're still trying to get your name out there, you're still trying to prove. Obviously, you got the skills. Dad's, you know, standing by. I I can I can already see you got the skills, you got the bloodline, you know. So the reality is take the shots and be different than everybody else. You know, yeah, you can pass the ball off. You're not, nobody's gonna call you a ball hog. But guess what? I don't ever think anybody called anybody a ball hog that made the shots. Right? Deep. That's just facts. Yeah, yeah. So, um, you know what? This is part of the show where I like to do what I call rapid questions. Uh-oh. So I'm gonna ask you guys some rapid questions. You're both gonna answer uh separately. All right. But I'm gonna give you the same question to each one. Ready? I'm gonna start with senior. Who's more competitive, you or him? Me.

SPEAKER_01 39:51

Me.

SPEAKER_02 39:51

Uh uh, okay. Who apologizes first? Not me. It must be you.

SPEAKER_01 40:02

I'm not gonna apologize.

SPEAKER_02 40:03

You don't apologize. I'm okay. Who spends more money? Sam Junior, senior? I say me. Senior? I'm frugal. Huh? Frugal. Just so you're gonna put it on junior? Yeah, he got that one. Junior got that one. Okay. Who gives better advice? Me. Me. I love it. I love it. Okay. Who's more stubborn? Oh Lord, they might think I'm stubborn. What do you think, Junior? I'll take that one.

SPEAKER_00 40:33

Oh my gosh.

SPEAKER_02 40:33

Okay, who wins in the game of horse right now? Me. Me.

SPEAKER_00 40:36

Well, you know, he it depends. I'm hard to beating horse. Oh, yeah, we're gonna have to find out. We're gonna have to buy it in the floor. We're gonna play.

SPEAKER_01 40:44

Well, I play Drew.

SPEAKER_00 40:45

See? C John C.

SPEAKER_02 40:47

We're gonna do that and let him know. Okay. Who was harder to coach? You or him, do you think?

SPEAKER_00 40:53

He's harder to coach. Because if I was his coach, he'd be. No, no, no. Who's harder to coach? I was coachable. I was coachable.

SPEAKER_01 41:01

I was coachable. I was very coachable. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 41:03

That's kind of cool who's harder? Okay. All right. Who has the better jump shot? I would say me until he takes the crown from me.

SPEAKER_01 41:11

I would say him.

SPEAKER_02 41:13

Yeah? Okay. He gave you the props there. Who tells better who tells better stories?

SPEAKER_01 41:19

I was gonna say him.

SPEAKER_02 41:20

Yeah. He tells really good stories. Oh yeah, okay. Who's more emotional? Him.

SPEAKER_01 41:25

I guess me.

SPEAKER_02 41:29

Alright. So here's a question for Junior. Okay? I'm gonna ask you both. I'm gonna start with Junior. What's one thing you've never told your dad about that you respect?

SPEAKER_01 41:41

Probably how good he is with kids. Like when he used to do his camps. Anytime, like, especially like when he used to do his camps, but anytime he's around younger kids, you can tell like he he's really good with working with them, developing them, teaching them, especially when I was younger when we did the um the camps, all the kids like that were around my age and went to the same schools would come to the camps. Everybody be having a great time. All of us, some of my best friends have come from those camps where we just we'd be crying and doing uh this this chair, what's it called? The defense. And like all these abs drills, we we crying and stuff like that. But it really gave us a great discipline and had these memories that we have forever. But he's just really good with kid kids and he cares so much. That's why I feel like when he was working with the youth, that was like for me something that I could see he was super passionate about, and it was great because you know that he's impacting people's lives like every day.

SPEAKER_02 42:31

Absolutely, 100%. And you know what? I'm gonna piggyback off of that, coach. And I'm saying coach because you did coach Rocco, my boy. And I remember that drill, especially, and stuff, you know, which my boy was not good at it because he wanted to quit. And you know, he won't listen to dad, but he listened to Coach Hines. And you know what? You did make a lot of impact, and you still do make a lot of impact on kids. So thank you for that and being the person that you are, because yes, that is very important. And I know you've touched a lot of lives and you got a lot more to touch too before it's all over. You're welcome. So yeah. One thing you haven't told your son about that you respect.

SPEAKER_00 43:09

I respect that you don't he hasn't spoken about this. He's gotten into investing, you know, that life after basketball. There you go. What you gonna do after basketball? I said, I said, God's got a plan for you. I mean, you're so talented, the money will go, but you start to invest in and understanding money, so when that money is there, you you're already ready to put it where it needs to go.

SPEAKER_02 43:31

Man, I'm gonna plug my book right here. It's a great time. You gotta get money management for beginners, man. You go on Amazon right now, the best 20 bucks you'll ever spend. We'll do it. It'll take you 30 minutes to read. And I'll tell you right now, if it doesn't make you or save you millions, I'll give you your 20 bucks back. Not a problem. Okay. But yeah, money management is huge, especially at this age. Yeah. What are you investing in right now?

SPEAKER_01 43:51

Long term stocks, obviously. Uh, and then uh stock options. I like to do that as well. Uh and then real estate as well, a little bit.

SPEAKER_02 43:58

So let me ask you real quick. Gonna throw this right out there. Who's your partner right now in business?

SPEAKER_01 44:03

Partner. I say uh kind of I my family a little bit.

SPEAKER_02 44:06

Nope. Who is it? Three letters, the IRS. Okay, they're your partner. I don't care. So many people's like, oh, I don't have a partner, man. I work for myself. I make my own money. I do my own thing. No, you have a partner. So IRS. They're gonna get a percentage of your money.

SPEAKER_03 44:19

That's true. Okay.

SPEAKER_02 44:20

No matter what percent that is, and I always like to use that of 30% rough. And I can say this to young people because you don't have a lot of bills. You don't have a family to worry about and fee. You don't have to, you're traveling right now. You don't have to have to have a house and a home to stay down, right? But the reality is this if your partner's gonna take 30% of your earnings, how much should you take?

SPEAKER_01 44:38

70.

SPEAKER_02 44:39

No, you should also take 30% if they're a true partner, right? Then you got 40% left over. So if you can learn to live off of that 30% and you start investing that 40%, watch how much money you have put away. Okay. And that's the reality. That's the problem. People say, oh, I got 70%. So now I go get this and go get that. And the reality is no, you need to start now. You guys are young. I tell them right now, just all you gotta do is put your money in SP. You don't need to figure out what stock's gonna be the best stock. You will own 500 of the largest companies that are out there. And you don't have to choose. And when one of them drops below 500, another one will pop up. You ain't gotta guess. You know, you just go ahead and put it in an index fund, you put money away every single week. And I teach my kids, I even tell Rocco right now, it's like he'll he'll order Uber Eats. We got food in the refrigerator. You don't need Uber Eats. If you're willing to spend $42 on Uber Eats, that means that's not a need, that's a want. And that's okay to want things, and you can get that. But if you go get $42 in Uber Eats, put $42 in the SP too. Okay. And make that stuff a habit because then you start realizing that as you get older, 10, 20, 30 years from now, watch, you got millions just sitting there waiting for you, you know? And that's something I wish somebody had told me sooner. So little things like this are in my book, obviously. But you know, people don't think about that right away. They make the money, they're like, hey, I got the money, might as well spend it. How do I spend it? I'm gonna try to invest it. Well, they oh, let me flip a house or let me do this or let me do that. How about you just let it sit? How about you just let time do its thing? You know what I'm saying? You ain't gotta worry about it then, you know, type of thing. So it is important. So that's great that he's doing that already. So kudos to you. Appreciate it. You know, with that. All right, one last one. If you could give one piece of advice to every father missing a son today, what would it be?

SPEAKER_00 46:26

Yeah, I I I've been in part of those lines. They say I'm the guy in the family. I always try to make everybody kind of connect. Uh, you only have one son, two sons, or whatever. My son would be in my life always. I tell them, regardless of what you're going through, I don't care what it is. We can talk about it. I'd rather have you in my life than to keep arguing about this nonsense. And let's, as men, let's just figure out if I need to apologize, you need to apologize. But life is too short to uh to just let time waste away. So nothing can separate me from my son, and I hope you guys can figure it out as well.

SPEAKER_02 47:04

That's great. Junior, same question to a kid out there. Somebody who doesn't have a dad like you. Somebody doesn't have a dad as supportive and being there all day all the time and all day.

SPEAKER_01 47:12

I have friends that don't have fathers, and some a lot, some a lot of them look at my dad as a father. So I would say uh try to find a male figure in your life, whether it's through maybe church or through sports, like a coach or try to find a male figure that is doing what you aspire to do, or you see that they have good qualities, a good character, and try to surround yourself around them. And it it could it doesn't have to be just one person, too. It takes a village to raise people, so it can be more than one person and just try and ask a lot of questions as well. When you learn ask a lot of questions, there's a lot of wisdom in this world, so don't be afraid to ask questions and even talk to your friends that maybe do have dads and ask them, hey, what does your dad, what does your dad do, or what does your dad say about this? And I'll be like, okay, you know, you can ask them yourself. So don't be afraid to ask questions, honestly.

SPEAKER_02 47:56

Yeah, that's great, great advice. Um, five years from now, where we're gonna see junior.

SPEAKER_01 48:02

Five years from now, I'll be playing the NBA. Who's your dream team? I'll be blessed to be on any team. Dream team, probably Atlanta, though, because that's home. Yeah, Atlanta Hawks.

SPEAKER_02 48:10

They could use you, they could use you right now. If you're listening, somebody out there, call up Mr. Hines. Okay. So yeah, for sure.

SPEAKER_01 48:19

Playing the NBA though, healthy. Uh, my parents are retired, uh, and just enjoying life and enjoying this journey, honestly.

SPEAKER_02 48:26

Dad, how about you? Five years from today, where's we're senior? What do you vision your life?

SPEAKER_00 48:31

I think by that time we will have probably 10 real estate properties at that time. My daughter, she's got a great boyfriend, so she may be married. We'll be you know enjoying him even more. Sam will be just traveling, uh, traveling throughout the United States, playing with different NBA or playing for an NBA team, showing what he uh could have been doing years ago as far as basketball, but just being that great teammate, whether he's got a uh starting role or coming off the bench, but they're gonna see that he's a great young man, and uh he's just gonna change a lot of people's lives. So I'm just wanting my kids to succeed and uh continue running my foundation to help kids and pickleball.

SPEAKER_02 49:09

Pickleball, pickleball, pickleball champ. You think you're gonna go pro? You're gonna go pro pickleball or why? They said I should. That's how they tell me. That's not what I asked you. Are you going to go pro? Why not? Oh, you're gonna do it? There we go. We're gonna put you right on uh let's do it. Let's do it. Let's go, let's go, let's make it happen. Yep. So that's cool. What's been your hardest match ever? In pickleball. Pickleball, yeah. Have you lost it all?

SPEAKER_00 49:30

It was one-on-one because my hip was hurting at the time.

SPEAKER_02 49:33

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 49:33

But I saw the little stuff I needed to work on. I wasn't good at, say, coming across this.

SPEAKER_02 49:37

But I'm you ever play against any women?

SPEAKER_00 49:38

Oh, yeah, they're good too. Yeah. I tell my wife that the women who form up tennis players, they it's all about angles, and they will get you. They give me more than the guys.

SPEAKER_02 49:45

I was gonna say I was gonna say that.

SPEAKER_00 49:46

Yeah, I was just complimenting a lady the other day, just yesterday. I said, You get me more than the guys.

SPEAKER_02 49:50

I'm gonna get a woman that's gonna whoop your butt. I'm gonna tell you right now. I'm gonna bring her over. I'm gonna show you. Yes, sir. You got my number? Yep. For sure. Well, listen, man, it's been great sitting down talking to you. Thanks for sharing some of your stories. Thanks for sharing. We're looking forward to seeing your future, Junior. You know, I know you got a big one ahead of you. Anything left you want to tell the viewers before we go?

SPEAKER_00 50:09

Stay in your children's lives. Um, if you see a little child out there, um, give him some wisdom. I didn't get a chance for someone to tell me uh uh to mentor me like I wish they would have, because I would have been in a different category. The kids that are out there in the papers don't think that they're okay. A lot of them, just because they're in the paper, they may need a uh a great mentor. That's what I needed. I didn't get in trouble, no drugs and crazy stuff like that. But I should have known about finance, I should have known about real estate decades ago. Because I've I was around people that knew it, but they didn't share the information. Share information with these young folks.

SPEAKER_01 50:46

What I would say is don't be afraid to be different. Uh, especially when I when I was in high school and stuff like that, people thought, you know, it's kind of weird for an athlete to be smart or that you're a jock, you're not supposed to be smart, they stereotype you. So I I took it personal to be able to uh not let that stereotype be true. I made sure to take my academics serious. Uh, if there was just parties and stuff like that, and I have a goal, okay, maybe I not might not go to this party. So don't be afraid to be distra uh different, don't be afraid to be unique. Don't follow the crowd, be yourself. And because you're the you can only be your best self. You cannot be anybody else. You can be your only be your best self. So don't be afraid to be different.

SPEAKER_02 51:26

There you have it, folks. You heard it right there. Don't be afraid to be different. As your boy Wam Bam always says, if your life was a movie, would it be worth watching? If the answer is no, stop being ordinary and start being extraordinary. Till next Wednesday, baby. Stay positive and keep testing negative.