Through Menopause Together: Marriage, Mood Swings and Menopause

Through Menopause Together: Marriage, Mood Swings and Menopause

On Faded to Fabulous, Vicki welcomes guest "Farah Faucet" and Kim’s husband Michael for a conversation about menopause, support, and partnership. Kim shares how menopause-related hair thinning led her to invest in extensions, boosting her confidence and reinforcing her mantra that women don’t have to live with fixable issues. She recounts receiving little menopause care from providers and feeling isolated, anxious, and mood-dysregulation, with heavy frequent cycles until Michael urged her to find support. Michael describes being naive about menopause, “turtling” during conflict, and learning that men can feel isolated too. They discuss improved communication post-menopause, practical teamwork in daily life, advice for partners not to take symptoms personally, and the value of education and treatment plans.

00:00 No Menopause Support
00:16 Podcast Welcome
00:33 Hair Extensions Reveal
02:57 Doing It for Me
03:56 Meet Michael
04:47 Kim’s Menopause Highs
05:40 Low Point and Advocacy
06:45 Isolation and Mood Swings
07:42 Michael’s Perspective
09:40 Partners Need Education
11:54 Family Menopause History
13:05 Who’s Coming Downstairs
14:08 Midlife Changes and Parenting
15:18 Owning Confidence at 61
15:43 Michael as the Caboose
16:59 When Communication Broke Down
18:39 Quieter Season Together
20:53 Advice for Menopause Partners
24:38 Hormones and the Goldilocks Zone
25:22 Favorite Things and Pride
28:09 Wrap Up and Call to Action

Transcript

SPEAKER_02 0:00

I just didn't get menopause care at all. I did a lot of complaining, voicing to the providers that I had at the time, and I got the usual. This is normal, you just have to get through it. And to be honest, I owe the big change in the journey to Michael. Welcome to Faded to Fabulous, the podcast for women who know that midlife is not the end. It's the beginning of something bold. Let's get into it. Hey ladies. Welcome to Faded to Fabulous. So glad you're back with us. We have a special guest, Farah Fawcett.

SPEAKER_03 0:37

Does anyone notice? Cats out of the bag. Kim hair. You were already so lovely and now you're just lovelier. Yes. Kim got hair extensions. You want to talk about that?

SPEAKER_02 0:49

Yeah. Yes. So always had thin, fine hair. That's just been my hair since birth. As I went through menopause, it became thinner and thinner. And to be honest, I just kind of like put one foot in front of the other and kept on going, right? Did all the supplements, all the things you could possibly do, the whatever it is, nioxine, whatever that stuff's called. And just kind of put up with it. When I was in Arizona in February with Jennifer, Jennifer said, Hey, let me do a makeover on you. And I'm like, Cool, fun. She's great. She's great. She said, We're gonna go and we're gonna find some clip-in extensions and see what you think. Because she was noticing between the times that I saw her that my hair was getting thinner. And so she put these clip-ins on me, and they're just it was a little costume-y, but I loved it. I was like, oh my goodness, I want this. So when I came back to New Hampshire, I sort of did a scholarly look at it, and because it's an investment in both time and money, and I chose a place in Manchester called Elevina, specifically because they were doing women who have the you know menopause-related thinning.

SPEAKER_03 1:54

So that's great.

SPEAKER_02 1:55

Yeah, so about a month and a bit ago, I had my extensions put in. I guess this is gonna come out a lot longer. So in March, my birthday month, I had my extensions put in. And while they were being put in, when because they have to pull your hair up in order to sew the wefts in, and I could see in the bright light in the mirrors, just how thin my hair was. And it was a bit heartbreaking. Like I actually had it was a real moment of a bit sad because I realized how unhappy I had been, and this profound sense of wow, like you can actually do something about this. I'm really proud of you. Yes. So, you know, my mantra of trying to be an example of what's possible, this is an example of that. You do not need to live with things that can be fixed. Obviously, it costs some money and time and attention to it, but but it was something that was taking up room in your brain.

SPEAKER_03 2:49

Exactly. And was bothering you. Exactly. And now you can see it when you come into the office and you're sassier than ever. I love it.

SPEAKER_02 2:57

So to throw Michael slightly under the bus, um people would say, Oh my god, Michael must be so thrilled. He must love it. And I'm like, That's what I said. And I'm like, No, not really. Like he was kind of meh about it. But I honestly said, it really doesn't matter. I did it for me. He could hate it, and it wouldn't have made any difference because I love it and I did it for me. So hopefully it'll grow on him, and if he sees that I'm happier about it, then maybe it'll be like less than meh. Can we take it right?

SPEAKER_00 3:32

People don't know me by now. Yourself a little closer to your microphone. People don't know me by now, is I'm uh externally reserved.

SPEAKER_02 3:39

Sorry, I'm gonna have to tum, I didn't tumble the microwave, the microphone. You gotta get closer to it. Okay, put your knee down and move it. Sorry, honey. Kim's being bossed. I know, but I need to hear his voice, right?

SPEAKER_00 3:50

So I am externally reserved but internally passionate. How's that?

SPEAKER_03 3:55

Oh, I like it. So, first of all, let's talk about who you are, everyone. This is Mr. Ken. This is Michael Kim's wonderful husband. Yeah, who is brave enough. We have to be nice to him, Kim.

SPEAKER_01 4:08

So he's Michael Sampson, but you can call him Michael Lovely if you want to. He often gets Michael Lovely.

SPEAKER_03 4:13

He does. That's awesome. Yes, it's great. And Michael was brave enough to come and join us. The episode we titled Through Menopause Together: A Real Conversation with My Husband. Uh, marriage, mood swings, and menopause. I think that is absolutely fantastic. And the reason, if you're wondering why we don't have Mr. Vicky here, is because I don't know that we would have to edit him, I think, a lot, and he would make a lot of dad jokes. But maybe someday, maybe he'll listen to this and he'll be brave enough to come on. That would be great. That would be great. So, Kim, you've talked before, but let's go through the highlights of your menopause because you've talked about it on podcast before, but just kind of give a glimpse of what that looked like.

SPEAKER_02 4:56

I thought I would start with the good. Yeah. So the good was that during that time, I actually was part of a women-focused gym. And we were doing strength training. And so physically, like the my strength, my physicality was good. So despite all of the junk that was happening with regards to my hormones, I was getting all the things I didn't realize would be super helpful. So that's the good of that journey. The not so good, I think, is just what all women talk about is lack of care. I just didn't get menopause care at all. I did a lot of complaining, complaining, but voicing to the providers that I had at the time, and I got the usual, this is normal, you just have to get through it. And to be honest, I owe the big change in the journey to Michael because I was at a low point when my cycles were coming like every two weeks and they were ridiculously heavy. And I had gone to a car appointment at Honda. Do you even remember this?

SPEAKER_00 5:56

Maybe.

SPEAKER_02 5:57

And um, I had done all the suitable changes before I left home, and I arrived at the Honda dealership and realized that none of the things were working and that I was had already blown through all of it. And it was half an hour drive from my house. And I called Michael and I was like, I'm I can't do this. Like, I need to hysterectomy. I I was like, Do you don't remember? And funny enough, he goes, Well, go to the mall and get yourself some new clothes and then find another provider. Like bail. You always tell people if you if someone doesn't treat your car very well, would you take them, would you go back to them? And I was like, no. So he was sort of the one that kind of said, you know, enough. And I did find someone who at least stopped my periods, right? Which is which was at the time was the best sort of solution for me. So I think it was for me, it was um the gym was a good place, but but me personally, I was lonely, anxious, frightened, mad, all of that sort of stuff happening. I didn't have any personal support. My mom, you know, was far gone her Alzheimer's journey. At that point, none of my friends were in that same situation of life. They were all a couple of years behind me, so I was sort of the only one going through it. So I found it a very isolated. I was gonna say isolated. And my the dysregulation of my moods was probably the worst. Like I just felt like I was constantly yelling at people. I was in an unhappy job. I was I call myself a bully, and I really was. I was a bit of a bully at work because I was just so frustrated. I know you can't see it, right? I know. I know. So yeah, so that was sort of the downside of it. Not feeling like yourself, not feeling like that sounds like a lie. No.

SPEAKER_03 7:42

Yeah. Michael, what do you recall about that time?

SPEAKER_00 7:45

Just to give Kim an accolade in regards to take out the bullying because she's very advocate about the patient and her time in taking care of children, uh infants at that time, was a driving force to get answers and cures for the kids. She was combative in regards to the administration of uh dotting the eyes and she stood up to the man.

SPEAKER_03 8:10

Yeah, yeah. Right, right.

SPEAKER_00 8:12

And and I always reinforce that the patient is the final goal. Yes. So that during that time to answer your questions, the highs and lows came out of mystery. Yes. And I still remember hanging up clothes on our external clothesline and yeah.

SPEAKER_02 8:28

Being screamed at. And being screamed at.

SPEAKER_00 8:33

So so and part of my internal processing, which Kim calls myself and our daughter Catherine, turtles.

SPEAKER_02 8:41

Because we just kind of stick their heads in and hide.

SPEAKER_00 8:46

It was like, what is going on here? And then there was a point in time as that I just kind of shut down and I smiled and I looked at her and didn't say anything back and just see what's going on here. So um there's no there was no reason described because until you ladies started into the menopause journey, I never heard about it. Never knew anything about it. Wow. I'm so naive about it. And of course, in my office and home, I hear Kim talking, and so I pick up pieces and I learn and I understand and about emotions. And I know you'll get to a part about advocacy for the significant other, which is it's just knowledge is powerful.

SPEAKER_02 9:34

Do you remember sitting around the campfire with Grant and Krista?

SPEAKER_00 9:38

Yes, in Nova Scotia. Yes.

SPEAKER_02 9:40

And we were talking about that men are isolated too, right? So do you remember? And Grant is is we'd love I'd love to have him on sometime actually, because he'd be really fun. He's very demonstrative, very like out there. Yeah. And he was sort of we were having the conversation about you know, sort of our dysregulation and arguing with our spouses or being kind of crabby. And Grant saying, you know, it would have been really nice to know that we weren't the only ones. We felt like we were the only ones in this journey, that no one else was experiencing their partners being so unhappy and so miserable, like even that would have been helpful.

SPEAKER_00 10:16

So we never thought about it that way before, but like Yeah, so Grant really opened up another avenue or channel of inspiration and teaching um what is going on in the world, and that let's just say men in my shoes are trying to understand where the better half is coming from.

SPEAKER_02 10:37

Right.

SPEAKER_00 10:37

All of a sudden, right?

SPEAKER_03 10:39

And so yeah, it's not in our No, and I talk to women too when when they're going through this season, and I say, you know, are you being because especially if I talk about sexuality, for example, um, and I say, Are you talking about it? So I always say, you know, it's problematic, are you talking about it openly? And there's a lot of times it's a no. Right. And like your spouse has no clue. Correct. Right. I mean, maybe now if they're watching some social media videos, but certainly not when you two were in that situation. And I always say to women too, like they because I think sometimes as women, we expect that you know. How do you not know? Correct. And do you know what a uterus is? But do you know what I mean? Or like, or that how do you not know that I feel like stabbing and angry and whatever and why that's happening? And I I think it if you had a cast, if you broke your arm, you have a cast, your husband's gonna be like, let me pick you. Yeah, do the dishes, let me jump in and help you. But if we don't say, This is what I'm feeling and this is what I'm experiencing, and they don't know, you look the same on the outside, but all of a sudden you're not the person. Yeah, potentially that's it.

SPEAKER_02 11:54

We had remember we had the conversation about your mom.

SPEAKER_00 11:57

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 11:58

So we had that reality of So Mike, Michael was a menopause baby, we believe. They thought his mother was in menopause, and in actual fact, she was pregnant with him. And um, and then four years after he was born, his oldest sister had a baby when she was a junior in high school. Oh my god. And so that was very traumatic because in those days in a Catholic family, that young woman had to go live in one of those homes for the unwed women, and the baby was adopted. And then five years after that? Five years after that, that same daughter died.

SPEAKER_04 12:32

Wow.

SPEAKER_02 12:32

So Michael's menopa Michael's mother's menopause journey included a pregnancy, huge grief, a child with a pregnancy, and a death of a child. And she ended up being hospitalized, and what they said was for arrest. Right? But in actual fact, she was dealing with way more than any mother, woman, wife should deal with, plus in her own menopause. Wow.

SPEAKER_03 12:56

So talk about a rough journey.

SPEAKER_02 12:58

Yeah. And she would have had nobody no, there was she certainly wasn't getting no voice. Yeah. Yeah. So that was sort of like that.

SPEAKER_00 13:07

So if you're a parent of a teenage daughter, you kind of have an idea of what's happening or going to happen, or the unknown every morning when you sure who's coming down, which personality. And so our our good friend Karen ha has two daughters, and at that time, yeah, she never knew who is going to come down the stairs, right? Um and it's funny, I don't I don't yeah, this concept needs to translate 20 years in advance, right? Um is your si who's coming down the staircase as to your significant partner. So it's it's just again back to education moving forward.

SPEAKER_03 13:48

Yeah. Yeah. So who's coming down the stairs? And I better have done those dishes.

SPEAKER_00 13:54

So there's a book title for you ladies. Okay. Who's coming down the stairs?

SPEAKER_03 13:58

Who's coming down the stairs? That's funny. That's so funny. All right. Yeah, I'm gonna get the trademark for that for sure. Kim, how do you feel you've changed in this season of life? Like what have you what have been some of the biggest changes you feel in you in this season? I was thinking about this the other day.

SPEAKER_02 14:17

I think the ability to step away from things that are not necessarily my job responsibility or whatever. Like it's it's been sort of a freeing stage in a way. When it comes to parenting our kids, I think during the early part of my menopause, I was still really more the parent that was doing all the things, right? Michael, his job was different. He traveled, he was in commuting to Massachusetts every day, and I was the parent in charge. And I think as I got through this other side of the journey, and his life changed as well. So he works from home now, it's been really nice to step away from the day-to-day stuff. Toss the baton. Yeah. So I think, and you know, not really, and I in the past, I think if if the kids went to Michael first to ask questions, I'd be like, Well, what's wrong with me? Like, you know, I'd sort of say, Well, oh my gosh, why don't they come to me? Now it's kind of like not only is it okay, but it's also like, Yahoo! Like, it's great. Did you ask your dad yet? Where's your dad? Yeah, exactly, exactly, right? Yeah. So I think that part, I think um confidence. I think in this journey, I feel really good about me as a 61-year-old. Like I feel like I am showing up for myself, showing up for my work, all of that. Like I think so. That's I think what has changed a lot for me is just a sense of confidence in who I am.

SPEAKER_03 15:41

I love that. Yeah. Michael, what would you say? That from an from the um perspective of being on the side, what's changed? What have you noticed in the season of life that's changed a lot about Kim the most?

SPEAKER_00 15:55

Um You know, her personality is always, like I said, about the pediatrics and the child is is the premier. So when she has a tough challenge or task at hand and it's really, really, really important, just stay out of her way. Um just uh what's your nickname for me? Which one? Caboose. Oh, yes, Michael's my caboose.

SPEAKER_02 16:24

So I she cleans up after me.

SPEAKER_00 16:26

I'm like a snowplow coming in, cleaning up and um Yeah. Uh identifying identifying those tasks which need to be taken off her place so she continue with her pursuits. Yeah, that's it. Yeah, like Sunday afternoon ironing.

SPEAKER_02 16:46

Oh, let's be true. You want to iron so you can work in. No, it's an excuse to watch hockey, right?

SPEAKER_00 16:54

It's okay. Yeah. It's uh therapeutic. So therapeutic.

SPEAKER_03 16:59

How did you guys communicate through this time? Like through that time that you were struggling. I mean, I'm getting the sense you were less you were more like turtling, right?

SPEAKER_00 17:09

Like, poorly. Yeah. Um again, my personality is to absorb, analyze, and process. Okay, in Kim's world, it's perceived that she wants it done in 60 seconds. For me, it takes six days, sixty days. It just doesn't happen because And the more I push, the more he digs his heels in.

SPEAKER_02 17:36

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 17:37

So and the reason of my personality is because my line of business and finance is that risk reward. So you want to mitigate the risk, and the risk is pissing off my wife. There it is. It's come out now. And the reward is just being a good partner and supporting her in her in her quest. So, yeah, so you just kind of lie low and again, partners are completely different. So somebody in my chair could come up with a 60-second, okay. I know exactly what to do. I understand what's going on.

SPEAKER_02 18:09

But I think that probably one of the the our communication post-menopause has improved dramatically. That's what I was gonna ask. I think when I was in menopause, like those were some of the worst years. Like 2015 was a heinous year. My mom died, Catherine was a disaster, Michael was between it was changing jobs between jobs, Jeffrey didn't want to be a diabetic. Like it was a heinous year, right? So so I think we were really putting out fires more than having good conversations. We we've always one of the things I love about Michael and I is we're on the same page when it comes to going to bed and getting up. Like we generally go to bed at the same time and we get up at the same time, so we at least have those end of the day and beginning of the day stuff. And then I think as we've gotten older and our kids, you know, don't require our attention so much, we spend a lot more time together and doing the monotony of life, right? Like just silly things.

SPEAKER_00 19:07

It's it's just quiet communication. Like um I spent many, many years grocery shopping with my mother. Yeah. And uh so it was a partnership when my brothers and sisters had moved away, so it was time spent with my mother, and that time partnership is golden, which I transferred to Kim, where we do on Saturdays. It's just two hours of our day shopping.

SPEAKER_02 19:30

The years that I would have to shop at like five different stores because I because we didn't have, oh, I was awful. When we first moved to New Hampshire, we literally would go to five different places for me to find all the things I wanted. And he would dutifully drive around. We even went to Massachusetts to shop for a few years.

SPEAKER_00 19:46

So funny story, she had to be away one time. I did grocery shopping by myself. Usually I'm on my phone pushing the cart and I'm texting my sisters in Nova Scotia just to catch up, and I don't know where anything is. I was a quick learner.

SPEAKER_02 20:05

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 20:06

And did they have to kick you out of the store after 12 hours?

SPEAKER_00 20:08

Uh yeah. Good part.

SPEAKER_02 20:10

So and the on the other side, I don't keep track of the cart. So if I have to shop alone, I lose the cart. Yes. I literally have left the cart in produce and gone to the dairy section and gone, where are the lazes? Did I put the chart the cart? Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 20:25

So we are a mission. Interesting. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 20:27

So it sounds like you guys are in a quieter season of life. Yeah. You're stable in your hormones. Yes. You know, you're both taking care of yourselves. Correct. And it sounds like you're doing a really good job taking care of each other now. Where I think it is a lot harder to do when you your nervous system's completely dysregulated because you have all those other life circumstances. So it's good because a lot of people grow, not everybody grows together.

SPEAKER_04 20:52

Correct. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 20:53

What advice would you give, Kim, to spouses or partners, loved ones of a woman going through menopause?

SPEAKER_02 21:04

For men, I really think I would say please do your best to not take it personal. Like just don't take the stabby person coming down the stairs. Try really hard to not take it too personally, because I think that leads to sort of resentment. Like what the heck is happening here? And if you just kind of step back and say this is about them, not necessarily about me, the man. So if it's about them, what can I do? How can I help them live, you know, at more peace, right? So I I don't know what that's whether that's a useful piece of advice or not, but I think it's the same as when you're raising raising teenagers, right? What's the best piece of advice is don't take it personally. Like they will spew their venom at you and you can't take it personally. And I think figure out a way of talking through what's going on, either with maybe another couple that might be going through it, because like we recognize it when we're really Helpful to talk to Grant and Crystal when we mean we all knew we were going through it, but we didn't sit down. Nobody talked about it. No, we didn't talk about it. And then maybe even getting you know, making sure that the spouse feels that they're being heard too in some kind of way. And that might mean therapy. Like that might mean finding a neutral party to talk to where they can sort of say, Well, I didn't sign up to be screamed at every day either, right? So that was his thing, was like, I I don't I do not want to be yelled at.

SPEAKER_03 22:27

So on that same vein, what what advice would you give women on how to communicate with their partners?

SPEAKER_00 22:33

I wouldn't expect a magic ball, but I think from the the gentleman's perspective is like, when is this gonna stop? Yeah, yeah. So right, like there's the truth, right? That's very blind. Like how much longer do I six days, sixty days, or six years. And the significant other would say, I don't know. And sometimes that's not comforting. So um I don't know if you can go historically backwards in regards to relatives, sisters, mothers, grandmothers, whatever well, grandmothers, but yeah, I don't know. That's a magic bullet right there.

SPEAKER_03 23:17

Is like well, even today it should be less of an issue. The good news is like, right? So what you walk through, we don't have to women know because they go on TikTok, they know if I'm feeling this way, it may be my hormones, and I can see somebody and I can get some help for it. So I really do feel like that is gonna be it may be more of a non-issue moving forward. You where you had this unknown period of time. I mean, perimenopause is seven to ten years. And I'm absolutely sure I did that full length of it.

SPEAKER_02 23:48

Yeah. You know, can you imagine like being able to actually say to your spouse, yeah, I'm starting estrogen tomorrow. It a progesterone will be next month. I should be feeling better six to eight weeks from now. That's a good thing. And then maybe if I start testosterone, yeah, if I start testosterone, I might be interested in sex.

SPEAKER_00 24:04

Right. Yeah. And so, I mean, that's very comforting to know the guidelines and plans and yeah, yeah. I think from a women's perspective, is I'm taking care of myself and these are the actions that I'm taking.

SPEAKER_03 24:19

I'm doing right.

SPEAKER_00 24:21

So yeah, it again, the male perspective, reinforcing, supporting, understanding. There's no like, okay, May 1st, it's over.

SPEAKER_02 24:32

Wouldn't that be nice? It would be so nice. Just be a little patient rather before that or after is. What do you say about hormone care too? It's just it's a craft as much as or an art as much as science or whatever, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 24:43

Yeah, so especially in parimenopause, it's definitely because there are some people who are like, yeah, slam dunk, my whole life felt so much better. But I in I more often than not, okay, it's not like that. It might be I hated that progesterone, or I think I'm on too much estrogen. And there really is, it's like a a patient said this to me the other day and it was brilliant. It's like Goldilocks and the Three Bears. It's very much like this porridge is too hot, this porridge is too cold. But once you get there, the sweet spot. And the goal should always be to feel so much better, not just a little bit better. You know, but it takes it's patience. A lot of patience. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 25:21

Good, good.

SPEAKER_03 25:21

Yeah. Kim, what's your favorite thing about Michael? Good question.

SPEAKER_00 25:28

Besides my irony.

SPEAKER_02 25:34

Wow. So many things. Could I isolate one thing?

SPEAKER_00 25:38

Sure, I have one. Go ahead.

SPEAKER_02 25:41

Oh, you want to tell me what I think? You can do your first if you want.

SPEAKER_00 25:44

Oh yeah? Yeah, yeah. I don't know if you remember, but a long time ago, and I don't know where we were, but um you said, Why did you marry me?

SPEAKER_02 25:52

Oh yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 25:53

And I said because of my drive. Drive, yes. And it's reflective of my mother, who is English, is so passionate and driven. And so what I saw in her was what I saw in my mother. So it was a good characteristic, right? Yeah, yeah. And then I always bring it back to the patient. So the 19 years she spent in her nonprofit. I always reminded her the child is the end goal. Yeah. Separate the administration and all the fluff and all the barriers and the health care of the child. Yeah. Yeah. So passion drive.

SPEAKER_02 26:28

So I for Michael, I guess he has a consistent, cool head. He very rarely loses his mind or gets unreasonable or irrational. Like I I don't have any of that. He's pretty steady. You know that if he's mad, he's like really mad. Like, get out of the way, just leave because he's super pissed. Super pissed. He's the caboose. And it allows me to do what I like to do. I've never been one of those women that had to like ask their husband, hey, can I go to Greece with 23 other women? Like he'd be like, Oh, right. So he's always been very like, live your life, do your thing, and I'll clean up after you the things that get left in the wake. And he does, like when we traveled together and stuff, even when we were skiing with the kids when we were little when they were little, I'd be the one racing down in front because that's just me. And he'd be the one cleaning up the back, like behind everybody else's family's kids. Michael would be the one making sure that all of them are gathered and down the hill.

SPEAKER_03 27:21

So what a good team you guys are. Yeah, yeah. And also, Kim, if you were looking for one more thing. Yeah. He and and you may not see it because you're in it. Yeah. How proud he is of you.

SPEAKER_02 27:32

Oh.

SPEAKER_03 27:33

You are? It's so obvious. I think you have a little fine spot there. I'll defer to the moderator.

SPEAKER_02 27:42

It's funny because that's the thing. That is the one thing I'm always like. I need um accolades. I need the actual verbal. And Michael's sort of like, why do you need to hear it? I know it. I act it. I show you it. Like, why do you need to hear it?

SPEAKER_03 27:56

A dozen white roses. Yeah. For your first podcast.

SPEAKER_02 28:00

Yes.

SPEAKER_03 28:00

That's yes. I uh from an outside perspective, I see. I think you have a little blind spot on the podcast. Okay. All right. Whatever the reason. Yes. Well, thank you. Thank you, Michael, for being here. And thank you, Farah. We love the hair. I love my hair. She's a queen. She is. Yeah. And thank you, ladies, for being here. And we're so glad you got to have the experience of Mr. Kim. He's pretty fantastic.

SPEAKER_02 28:25

And hopefully it may help, you know, another, like maybe you want to let your own spouse listen to. Yeah, especially if maybe you're not quite in the journey yet. Maybe it'd be helpful. Yeah.

unknown 28:35

All right.

SPEAKER_02 28:35

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