How To Achieve Success As A NEW Whitetail Bowhunter

What does it take to operate at the highest levels across multiple domains of life? Justin Morris reveals the mindset and methods that have allowed him to excel in federal law enforcement while passionately pursuing bow hunting, jiu-jitsu, and outdoor adventures.

As a former military member who transitioned through private contracting into local police work and eventually to the Department of Justice, Justin brings a unique perspective on discipline and performance. His approach is refreshingly straightforward: go all-in on everything, surround yourself with people who make you feel "common among uncommon men," and maintain relentless forward momentum.

"I have to constantly be doing something," Justin explains, describing his 4 AM wake-ups, daily jiu-jitsu training, and full workdays followed by bow hunting or other pursuits. But rather than presenting himself as superhuman, he shares practical insights about simplifying processes, eliminating wasted time, and maintaining focus on fundamentals. His philosophy that "it's easier to maintain than restart" applies equally to fitness, skills development, and life management.

Justin also candidly discusses his rapid immersion into bow hunting over the past two years—the mistakes made, lessons learned, and the humbling experience of a dangerous fall that reinforced the importance of safety protocols even for experienced outdoorsmen. His reflections on hunting smaller properties, finding joy in the process rather than just success, and planning for strategic improvement in upcoming seasons offer valuable insights for hunters at any experience level.

Perhaps most compelling is Justin's insight into how these intense physical challenges provide essential mental space in a high-stress life. Whether in the silence of a tree stand or the discipline of martial arts training, these pursuits offer more than just accomplishment—they create a counterbalance to professional demands and a connection to what matters most.

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Chapters

• 0:00 Introduction to Justin Morris
• 2:20 From Music to Military to Law Enforcement
• 7:03 Finding His Niche in High-Speed Units
• 11:19 Maintaining a Relentless Pace and Work Ethic
• 19:18 The Value of Discipline and Simple Routines
• 27:25 Two Years into Bow Hunting: Lessons Learned
• 39:12 Tree Stand Safety: A Cautionary Experience
• 51:39 Hunting Small Properties Successfully
• 1:08:27 Finding Joy in the Process, Not Just Success
• 1:17:52 Plans for the 2024 Hunting Season

Transcript

Zakk Plocica: 0:00

Welcome to episode four of the show. Today's guest is Justin Morris, a longtime friend of mine. He's a highly active and ambitious individual who spends a majority of his free time practicing jujitsu, hunting, fishing, rock climbing and all things outdoors. He spent four years in the army, got out and went to work as a contractor for the State Department. He later shifted to law enforcement, where he has spent time as a detective focusing on vice narcotics, organized violent crime and gangs, focusing on federal investigations. He also spent the majority of his career on the SWAT team, while at the local level, he is currently working with the Department of Justice and is assigned to a specialized unit with a focus on fugitive work and child recovery.

Zakk Plocica: 0:46

Justin just got into bow hunting within the last two years and has been consumed by it. Today, we are going to talk with him about how he operates at such a high capacity and how he is able to aggressively pursue his hobbies while continuing to excel in his career, as well as his plans and goals for his 2024 hunting season. Enjoy the episode. All right, justin. Welcome to the show Episode four. Appreciate you taking the time to sit down with me.

Justin Morris: 1:09

Absolutely.

Zakk Plocica: 1:10

Dude, you've had a pretty good run in only two years of bow hunting.

Justin Morris: 1:16

I don't think it's been too bad. Now I've had some cheat codes. I came in pretty hot and you guys set me up right out of the gate. So I mean, like anything you and I've talked about before, I go 150 into everything at a minimum yeah, at a minimum. So it was flagship bow, give me the top, the bottom saddle rig. I'm never had saddle hunted, ever came up hunting, but only with a rifle. So I was like, oh, I'm going out. I think I texted you. You're like hey, you need to do this like in the daylight, don't just go out in the dark and try to run up a tree.

Zakk Plocica: 1:48

Bought it just now. I'm headed out.

Justin Morris: 1:50

That's right. Trial by fire that's right. We're going to figure it out as we go.

Zakk Plocica: 1:59

That's the only way, that's right. So, before we kind of get into that, right With with and that started, I think we met through the company Yep Right and the company has changed over the years and but our friendship has, I mean, continued along the way and we've both kind of um grown as individuals and whatnot. But you know, looking back at you, you your career has really been and when I look at it is it's been pretty incredible to watch Because I knew you at the local level, the PD here. I think right, yeah, you and Jake good friends, and now you've gone through the local level and now you're at the federal level.

Justin Morris: 2:40

Yes, yeah.

Zakk Plocica: 2:42

And I mean, when we look at your career, is that something is law enforcement, something that you've always been kind of passionate about and wanted to go that route, or did it just kind of happen and evolve?

Justin Morris: 2:52

Um, well, quite honestly, I actually started out and went to school for music. Yeah, yeah, I have, I actually have a music degree.

Justin Morris: 3:00

For what? Just for recording engineering, actually, really. Yeah, so I started out with music and sports and stuff like that and I just never really wanted like a normal job. So that was kind of my idea of this. You know it's not going to be a normal thing, but then that was kind of around the time the financial crisis, if you will, kind of hit and the only other thing I was ever interested in was law enforcement in the military. So and I checked both of those off the list you know ended up leaving the music thing for a while and going into the military and then, as you know, I left that and went into the private contract world after the military, went back overseas as a PMC for a little while with the state department and for a few years, years, and then came home, figured the transition was law enforcement, apparently that was, you know the natural progression or the only thing I could come back that would be relatable was that or like the security industry.

Justin Morris: 3:57

So I got into local law enforcement and kind of hit the gambit of everything. I think when we first met I was I was a street officer, I was, I was working patrol, you know the uniform stuff, you know day shift, night shift. Day shift, night shift transitioned over into, made my way up into investigations, worked some general crim, violent crime stuff, anything from you know stolen retail to homicides and you know, as you know, the city has gotten bigger over that time in 10 years but this place is booming, super busy. So I was able to kind of transition over after that and kind of found my niche in the narcotics gang, organized crime stuff. That was kind of where I, you know, found my passion, if you will, in law enforcement.

Zakk Plocica: 4:44

Is that because it's a higher speed, like more a fast pace?

Justin Morris: 4:49

Yeah, and it wasn't so just mundane everyday type thing. It was always changing. You always kind of had to be ahead of the game with that stuff, the smaller units. I really enjoyed the smaller team type environment. I liked the guys that were over there and it was. It was a much faster pace. It was a proactive instead of a reactive group of guys and unit. So that's kind of where I went and then, parallel to that, jumped on the city's team or the city SWAT team and was kind of doing both of those together on the city's team or the city SWAT team and was kind of doing both of those together with with.

Justin Morris: 5:32

With that in mind, um, always knowing I wanted to, there was a particular agency I wanted to go to on the federal side that I always worked with. That was super professional. Um, it's not really hard to figure out who that is for, for folks that are listening to have experience. There's. There's kind of one group of dudes that are like the blue-collar side of the federal guys and that's where I always wanted to go. But it was really hard to obtain it because they're small, didn't hire a lot. So during that time I knew I needed to go back to school having my music degree. So I went back to school, got another degree, just a basic criminal justice degree. I was going to school at night while working in the drug and gang unit and after roughly two, two and a half years of that process I was able to get in with that federal agency and I left the city about four, four and a half years ago. It's already been that long.

Zakk Plocica: 6:20

Yeah, it's been a while.

Justin Morris: 6:21

Yeah, and it's been. You know, I would think, oh okay, maybe it's, I've hit what I want to do. It's going to slow down. It's only sped up, which is great, you know, still married to the same girl after 10 years, no kids. She's put up with me. But it hasn't slowed down, it's only gotten faster. And you know, I'm absolutely blessed to be where I'm at now. I love where I'm at, I love the guys I work with. Uh, we were just talking about some training. I just got back from recently and some of the the stuff we're doing and it's just.

Zakk Plocica: 6:52

I mean, it's one thing after another are you guys constantly, I know, like with the the training side of thing, is it constant the the training um regiment that you guys are doing, because you do all kinds of stuff? We do just on your own in general with the Jiu Jitsu side of things. And then on the career side, are you guys constantly going to different schools?

Justin Morris: 7:10

Yes, so and especially like, uh, kind of during that progression of time over the past say 10 years, I got really heavy into combatives like Jiu Jitsu. I become kind of, or became somewhat of, a Jiu Jitsu nerd, and then some of the striking arts and stuff like that, and I'd been doing that stuff since I was a kid. From wrestling I came up wrestling and some other stuff. So now as I moved into this where I'm at now, I became a combatives instructor on the National Academy level. So I'm paired with the training that I'm already having to do. Now I'm also having to subsidize that training by going out as an instructor which is great.

Justin Morris: 7:49

I absolutely love it Working with state, local partners for us and then my guys as well. So, but we're constantly going to something. It's a lot more specialized now but it's a lot of little trainings that I would have never been able to do. You know, I just recently I just went to a I was doing like a race car, like with professional race car drivers, you know, learning how to do different stuff, and then we were doing some others.

Justin Morris: 8:13

I mean it was just I think I texted you at one point. I'm like I can't believe I'm getting paid to be here right now, Right, but it's applicable to what we're doing, to what we're doing. It's just that where we are now, we're able to go to the best guys for that specific thing, which is fantastic, because that game that that guy may have no law enforcement or military, but he is a pro at what he does, right, Whether he is a you know, he's a professional rock climber, professional race car driver, a professional shooter Is that. That's something you learn over that timeframe too. The the best shooters in the game aren't military and law enforcement, they're, they're professional shooters, are competitive guys, Right.

Zakk Plocica: 8:51

So yeah, I mean, so is your. And now, with the position that you're in I mean, every time I talk to you, you seem like you were on the go. Right Um is that the, the pace like that for this, the career path that you're currently currently in? Is it always like that, or is there, you know, hey, there's downtime too or is it just that constant fast pace?

Justin Morris: 9:11

I would say, like there's downtime, but it's. You can wring the rag out if you want to. You can get whatever you want. It's just like anywhere else. You got to come in, cut your teeth, doing kind of the mundane stuff for you know, for the agency. But you can start to branch out, but it's like anything else. You got to branch out some of that on your own time per se and do extra.

Justin Morris: 9:37

So say, this is arbitrary in nature, but if the day's 10 hours, well, you might work 12, but those two hours are going to some type of specialty that you're trying to do. And then, of course, that opens doors, right, because those are the guys that those guys in those special teams are looking at, saying, hey, that guy's putting in work, he's constantly wanting to be with us on this or this or that, so you can do as much as you want. You've got to do what's within this box, but there's plenty extra if you want to get involved in like anything else, like hunting, fishing, any other discipline. It's jujitsu, whatever. You're only going to get as good as what you put into it, absolutely.

Zakk Plocica: 10:18

It's just like that with, like you said, anything, anything with the business world. I mean, you've really got to. I mean, it's not a nine to five, no, yeah. If you're looking for nine to five, that then we're not the answer. Right, yeah, I think. And one of the things like when I talk to guys like you, I mean it's it's all very similar right there.

Zakk Plocica: 10:38

There, no one's doing the bare minimum. No, everybody is exceeding and constantly looking to exceed expectations, not only with themselves, but wherever they're at. It's constant growth, whether it's, you know, career, it's family, it's education, there's always seeking more and constantly pushing themselves to excel in whatever it is. There's a goal and you know it's constant and that kind of rolls into. You know, anytime I text you, you're up early, you start the day, you go hard all the time. So how do you maximize your time to function at such a high level, both in your career and hobbies? Are you prioritizing every single day? I mean, do you have a pretty rigid schedule that you follow? Like, how are you able to maintain that high level so often? And you know, consistently, um.

Justin Morris: 11:32

I've been asked that before. I wish I had the exact formula for that, but I will say, like, for me it's the uh, it's the guys I'm around. You know yourself included in mutual friends around. You know yourself included in mutual friends. I liked, if I feel average among, or I feel common among, uncommon folks around me. If, to me, if I feel like I'm the top there or the top of the crew or the folks I associate with, I'm, I've messed up, it's time to move, it's time to move on. And that was one thing like in my current job, you know. To revert back to that a little bit is I told guys, when I got where I was, I was like man, I feel common among uncommon men over here, because everybody was getting up at 4, 4.30, grinding, doing it, and then the 12 hours of training or the day or whatever we had planned, that's just the norm. And then most of those guys they got something. And then the 12 hours of training or the day or whatever we had planned, that's just the norm. And then most of those guys they got something else this afternoon.

Justin Morris: 12:31

So to me, I think it's that you know, we've talked about that before. I think it's just that motion. You got to keep moving because any time I stop I start to deteriorate. You know, body, my mind, everything, even my wife. Wife, she's like you need to go. She'll tell me all the time like, hey, you need to go to jiu-jitsu. I'm like, well, I've already gone to jiu-jitsu today. She said, well, you need to go shoot your bow, you need to do something. Because she can tell mentally I'm starting to, you know, drift right. So to me it's just, I have to stay busy. Um, not not against anything. If folks like, oh, you need to take a rest day or this or that, that's fine. I believe in whatever works for you individually, but for me I have to constantly be doing something and looking for, you know, looking for the next thing to learn about, to do, which is kind of how I found bow hunting with you guys.

Zakk Plocica: 13:22

And idle mind is dangerous. It is hunting with you guys, and Idle Mind is dangerous. It is, I'm a big believer in. You've got to surround yourself with high quality, high energy people that are, you know, constantly going to push you right. I always cause, you know, I've been given a great opportunity with our business to meet a lot of really unique, um, and just great individuals who are constantly, you know, in the career, whether it's in their career, their family, you know, hunting, whatever it is. They really are constantly put challenging themselves, which I look at I'm like, oh man, look at that, he's able to do that.

Zakk Plocica: 14:04

I need to be more, more. I need more. I need to be more, more, I need more, I need to put in more. Uh, and that's one of the reasons I really wanted to sit down and talk to you with you know, cause, anytime, you know, we link up or get together, which you're super busy. We get together every now and then, but you know I always drop a text to you or you shoot me a message and see what's going on. You know, anytime I talk to you, there's constantly some kind of growth happening.

Zakk Plocica: 14:27

Um, and one of the things anytime I think about you, it's like 4 AM. I'm like, bro, how do you take, get up at four, get a workout in, go train jujitsu, start your day starts at, you know work. Then you get to work by like seven or eight o'clock and you've already knocked out an entire day. Most people haven't even woken up yet. Right, like, how do you continue that pace? I know you've got a really big fitness base, um, but what about whenever it comes to like nutrition and sleep and stuff like that? Do you prioritize those things as well?

Justin Morris: 15:02

Uh, no. So we've talked about that a lot. You've helped me with that Um. So my wife by trade that's what she does she has, you know she went to school for um, like sports, sports science and nutrition and that stuff. So that is my struggle point and I'm trying to get better with that. Now I'm not off the rails or anything, but, uh, I'm not as good as I could be sleep. I've gotten better about that now. Now I'm not off the rails or anything, but I'm not as good as I could be Sleep. I've gotten better about that now as I'm getting older. I'm 38 now. So when I was in my 20s I would just laugh at you if you told me about sleep and some of that comes, I think, some of that progression.

Justin Morris: 15:40

Now I'm learning that I do have to prioritize some of that recovery a little more, because that is, that is currently what I do and a lot of folks do that. You know, majority of the guys I'm around, you're up at four. You work out prior and then go to jiu-jitsu or whatever combative stuff we're doing, and then enough time to shower, grab a cup of coffee. Boom, we're on it. We're in the office now, we're moving on whatever, or we're out in the field doing whatever we're doing, and then sometimes you know in the evening you've got something else physical enough time to get home, shower, eat, bed. We're going to do it again. So for me, quite honestly, I mean I know if I'm not doing it, the guys I'm around are and I know there needs to be like a lot of folks think there's some special answer, but it's not really a problem at all. But I know if I'm not there, I will get a text message by 530,. Hey, did you forget where the gym is, or do you just not do jujitsu anymore? It's like I miss one day. Like I will get that text from one.

Justin Morris: 16:44

Hey, did you forget where the gym is, or do you just not do jujitsu anymore? It's like I missed one day. Like I will get that text from one of my coaches If I miss one day. He's like oh, did you quit? I'm like it's been one day in eight years, you know. But that's what you need. You need those folks that are. You know they're accommodating if you've got something. Like you know there's some days. Well, I have to be at work at 4.30. But you still owe it. You still got to get it in, because if I don't get it in today, you know you make an excuse today. You'll make an excuse tomorrow.

Zakk Plocica: 17:16

And that's so easy to do. I find myself doing it sometimes, man, because I'm like oh man, I don't have time to do this In to do this. In reality, I didn't prioritize my time to do it, it's not, I have the time.

Justin Morris: 17:25

Right, I heard, uh, I heard somebody tell me one time you don't have time not to do it A hundred percent, you know, and that's true, uh, especially when it comes to like fitness or combatives or whatever, and and that was one you know. To pair it back to bow hunting, that I loved about the aspect of bow hunting was that group of guys involved in that, for the most part, are usually fit. They're disciplined, because bow hunting and I am a child in the world of bow hunting, unlike several guys that have been on here this is my second season.

Justin Morris: 17:55

You know, I grew up rifle hunting but, uh, it's a discipline and especially now I've crossed over into, I've fallen in love with the trad side and what a humbler that is, you know, probably the most humbling thing I've ever done out of everything I've done in my life, um, but it takes discipline, because you go a day without shooting the bow, especially the travel, and it fall, it degrades, it falls off, you know. So if I, if I don't take 10 minutes when I get home, go in the garage, unrack the bow, go in the backyard, you know, take my time, get my shots in, go through my shot process, make sure I'm not torquing the bow doing this, doing that, and really keep that you know, discipline going Well, when season comes, I'm going to pay for it, you know, and you pay for it in more ways than one.

Justin Morris: 18:44

But all that prep and time that goes into it, if I'm not doing what I'm supposed to do, then I'm not going to be successful. And that falls back to anything we're doing, whether it's fitness you know jujitsu, your job, you're talking about business the same thing. It all it's a building block, you know, and it only takes a little bit every day. And that's what I've learned with that is, you know, some days, even with, like you know, the fitness aspect, I had to tell myself that. You know, when I was younger, it was man, I'm in the gym.

Zakk Plocica: 19:14

Two, hours and I don't.

Justin Morris: 19:15

I don't do that anymore. I go in, I get it done and then I go to jujitsu. I'm not at jujitsu for two hours, I'm there an hour. I give it what I can, I give it all I got and I move on. But it's better than not going.

Zakk Plocica: 19:25

A hundred percent. So, and this is one of the things that I see from a lot of people is, everybody gets motivated right, and I think we're all guilty of it from sometimes and I'm more motivated sometimes than others whether it's working in my business like I'll go super hard, you know, in one area and then I'll neglect another area. But one thing that I have always said is it's easier to maintain than it is to restart, rebuild or try to lose. When we talk about physique, weight, size, whatever it is, um, I'm a big believer that a little bit over a day you just a little bit every day is going to um compound over time and a lot of people don't realize that. They're like man. I look at myself it's been four weeks and there's no change. Well, four months, eight months look at it in a year with that little bit and so it doesn't have to consume your life. But if you put in a little bit of effort over time, you're going to look back and be like Holy cow, look how far I've actually come.

Justin Morris: 20:19

Yeah, I think, uh, when you said I don't know I've lost count of how many times over a decade I've asked you about fitness stuff, I'm like, hey, zach, I want to change this up. What do you think? What are you doing? How many times I ask you, what are you doing for your food, what are you doing for supplementation? And the answer has always been the same man, I try to go really simple, and that was to revert back to what I was saying was you were asking about you know how to maintain that regimen. I think I keep stuff pretty simple, but I'm also always asking, like buddies or friends, like, hey, what are you doing? And you'll tell me, man, this is what I'm doing, whether it's your fitness regimen or your food. And then I pretty much try to copy that, because I'm not trying to reinvent the wheel.

Justin Morris: 21:01

That was the thing with bow hunting is I want the cheat codes, if there's any you got to put in the work. But if I can come to you jr guys in the shop, I'm like, hey, man, be brutally honest with me, tell me what I'm doing wrong. You're jacked up, you're torquing the bow, your anchor point's not right. Okay, fix me. And now I'm going to try to repeat that instead of trying to chop away at it on my own out of pride, you know, or I'll just YouTube it, but YouTube's a great thing, but if you've got a local resource that can fix you, whether that's shooting I know you used to come to some of our stuff when you know I was owning or Jake and I owned that company we were doing a ton of training and I think that's pivotal and I can see that in business too.

Justin Morris: 21:46

If you've got someone that's like, hey, man, I've made those mistakes, let me. Let me tell you what I've learned, cause I feel like we learn a lot more from what we mess up and what we do Right, right, absolutely.

Zakk Plocica: 21:57

I think I believe that as well. I think it's important and it goes back to just surrounding yourself with the right people and making those connections and I don't say but taking advantage of you know what they know, and there's a lot of people that are really open to putting the information out there that in the experiences that they have good, bad or indifferent, you know, anytime, I've been in the fitness side of things for a long time, right, and I've done a lot of things and spent a lot of time. But one of the things I always went back to and I feel like the same way with majority of the stuff that I do is keeping things, like you said, simple, man. I don't overcomplicate anything that I don't have to. Um, I mean, for you know, same thing with like, when we go back to my food, like anytime it's.

Zakk Plocica: 22:42

If you look at what I eat, it's the same thing, same time, same meals every single day. But it works, right, you know it. Just, it's very simple, it doesn't. It makes me not have to think an extra step what am I going to eat? How much am I going to eat? Where am I going to go? How much money am I going to spend on this Um, and that's one of the things that I've tried to apply with everything I do is just keeping things as simple as I can and then seeking out advice from guys who have excelled in those areas, for, you know, bow hunting, for example, joe Longs, levi Marshalls, those guys who have really I mean, get after it and they live it, breathe it. You know they got a ton more experience. I'm going to go after those guys and, you know, try to get as much advice as I can from them.

Justin Morris: 23:20

Yeah, and I see you know, like Joe this year, I them, yeah, and I see, even like Joe this year, I'd shoot him a message and like, hey, man, this is what I got going on. What, what, what do you think you know? And I don't know Joe other than through you guys at the shop. You know wealth of knowledge. I'll shoot him a picture of something on a map and he's like man, I would look right, I would set up here, I'd start working this funnel, so on and so forth, and I text him back that day Again. I'm pretty new into it so I get pretty excited about stuff. So I'm like man, I saw 15 deer today. We're in eastern North Carolina. That's a big deal.

Zakk Plocica: 23:50

Yeah, if you haven't been here, that is a big deal.

Justin Morris: 23:53

And he was psyched. He was like, oh hell, yeah, man, that's awesome as much as you can be over a text message, but you've got those guys out there in your, your network of guys that can help you, no matter what you're doing. But it's and I've told guys that, like I have younger guys that asked me the same thing like man, how are you getting up and doing this, this and this? And I'm like well, tell me what you do in a day. And I'm not a, I'm not a guru or a motivational speaker, but I'm like well, tell me what you tell me, tell me what your 12 hour day looks like.

Justin Morris: 24:25

When they tell me what it looks like, I can chop out about four hours of BS and I'm like so, all that stuff you didn't have time for, you've got more than enough time for now to maybe include spending more time with your family, um, and making things simple, as simple as you know. Man, four o'clock, you know, I see a lot, lot of guys I talk about jujitsu because it's you know what I know but, um, guys will quit, or, man, I don't have time for this, or I don't have time for that. Well, tell me why. And they tell you and man they're. I wouldn't have time either, they're, they're processed to get up, get ready and get to the the mats you mean?

Zakk Plocica: 25:00

you don't have a crazy morning routine where you get up ground right in a journal do a cold plunge. I don't have a crazy morning routine where you get up ground, write in a journal do a cold plunge, travel down to Mexico. Come back with a secret sauce and start your day by 9 am.

Justin Morris: 25:12

That would be great, but I would never repeat it. It's as simple as to me. The night before, I lay my freaking shorts and my hoodie out with my shoes, um, you know, on the banister. So in the morning it's not a matter of I can tell myself man, I don't want to go this morning. I got to get up and get ready. No, you just get up, you go, you put your stuff on, you go out the door. It's that simple.

Zakk Plocica: 25:39

Yeah, I'm, I'm with you, man. I think, um, when you can simplify a process, it's much easier to adhere to it Right and stay with it. And I mean I try to do that across all aspects of my life Because, you know, especially when we get into the hunting seasons, you know, because everybody's busy, you know, and if you actually want to get out in the woods and have time for it, I mean you can't just quit everything else you're doing.

Zakk Plocica: 26:05

No no you know that stuff stays the same. You just have to prioritize a little bit better and able to capitalize on the time that you do have in the woods. Can I know that's a big thing for you Because you're not always here in North Carolina. I mean, I'll, I'll text you and you're like oh dude, I'm across the country.

Justin Morris: 26:20

I'm like.

Zakk Plocica: 26:21

Oh, we were just here yesterday. Yeah, well, I'm here for a week and then you know you get back and you've only got so much time. So you know that's a big thing, man. I mean just making the most out of the time you had. And if I think, if most people were to go through and actually look at their day to day schedule, like you said, you realize you waste more time. I talked to it with Joey all the time, you know, like, hey man, I, you know, if I didn't have to eat or if I didn't have to sleep, I wouldn't. But it's a part of it. You have to do those things. But yeah, there's so much wasted time and energy daily. I mean, I find myself doing it too. I'll go through it and my thing is, I'll look at all the comments on social media while I'm getting eaten alive and then get kind of sucked into that and realize, man, I just wasted 45 minutes on nothing.

Justin Morris: 27:05

Yeah, you don't have time for that. If you've got time, honestly, quite frankly and I'm sure we'll get someone here I'll probably get bashed for half the stuff I've said but, it's, I really don't care, Cause it's if you've got time to comment on what I'm saying.

Justin Morris: 27:17

You got a lot more time than me, brother, right, cause I don't have time to do any of that, right? Um, you know, and but it it kind of pairs back to what you were saying, like keeping things simple and then talking about maintaining. If you, if you just maintain, when it comes time to do whatever it is you want to be successful at, it's already built for you. It's there, the fundamentals are there.

Justin Morris: 27:38

I can't tell you how many times a great friend of mine, one of my or my coach uh, tyler from jujitsu I'll be trying some crazy mess that me and some other guys been been working on he was like not working, is it? Why don't you just go back to those fundamentals we've been doing for 10 years and see if that works for you? World champions are using it, but it may not be good enough for you and it's like, okay, why don't we reset, do the four things that he's telling us to do? And if we keep doing those every day, we're going to be, we're going to get better and better and better, instead of trying to dive off, looking for, you know, some obscure thing. You know, the next piece of gear, right?

Zakk Plocica: 28:17

Oh, dude, that's a big thing, man, and it's fun, right it is, I love, don't, don't, don't get me wrong, I love. Then there's certain aspects or certain pieces of gear that I love more than the other, like I like. I like platforms and packs and stuff and bows, um. But you know, it's easy to get obsessed with a piece of gear and think it's going to be the next thing that's going to improve your hunting capability or overall success rate, when, at the end of the day, it has no impact on that whatsoever. Right, and I mean it does.

Justin Morris: 28:51

I know, like this year we were texting back and forth like two children are hey, this is my pack set up. You know we were cause we're running the same stand and we I think this year too we had switched to doing kind of a hybrid setup. Right, and I loved it. You know, of course it was getting bashed on the internet. It's like you're either a saddle hunter or you hunt lock-ons. It's like wait a minute, I can't do both. Nope.

Zakk Plocica: 29:14

Not around here, buddy.

Justin Morris: 29:15

Yeah, what are you doing? It's like you betrayed, like a religion if you go down one of those. But we were playing around with those setups and loved it. You know you got yours and then I saw it and I was like man, this is the way to go, this is a. That XOP is great.

Justin Morris: 29:29

I can mount everything to it and you know it just works out because I can saddle hunt out of it and I probably saddle hunted out of it more than I actually sat on it, because it is small. I'm not the smallest guy in the world but it's. You know, it's there if you need it, right, and it's super light, it's quick. But just, you know, playing around with different setups, kind of nerding out on some of that stuff, the packs and stuff I love all that stuff too. Obviously, I started out with only started this what roughly two years ago, and I've got four bows right now. So you know, I don't even know how much gear I've got. You know, at this point, so extreme is just like here take my money, take my money.

Zakk Plocica: 30:07

That's it. We do it to ourselves, though, too. Oh, I know, yeah, you know it's I it is, but I'm also a believer in two. So like, for example, running I hate running, right, like I absolutely hate it, but when I get a new pair of running socks or shoes, it feels like it's like it gives me that little bit of that little push and I'm like, oh man, I'm definitely going to go today. Yeah, it makes it a little bit better.

Justin Morris: 30:29

It does, you know. So it might be a mental thing too, cause I, I hate, I hate running, especially someone who's had multiple knee surgeries and I've ran my whole career for my job and I'm like I cannot. I'd rather walk over broken glass than run. My wife's a big runner and, uh, like you said, though, I'll get a new. You know, if I got it for one of our PT tests or whatever I got to do, I got to do my runs. I got to keep up on that. I'll get a new pair of running shoes, and I'm like man, maybe these shoes made me better.

Zakk Plocica: 30:56

They didn't make me better. I think these go fasters. I'm jumping a little higher, I'm running a little faster today.

Justin Morris: 31:11

I'm feeling a best runner, but um, you know, you're right, I mean the gear. The gear is nice and it does make things easier. And I mean if you.

Zakk Plocica: 31:18

Sometimes you need a little push right. Like I'll be honest, I love and sometimes listening to, like guys who are highly accomplished individuals just speak, so call it motivational stuff, just listening to them. Sometimes I get I'm like, oh man, dude, this dude's doing it every day. He's been doing it for 60 years. I can go today.

Justin Morris: 31:38

Yeah, and he's doing more than you're doing, more than I'm doing, less usually. Yes, absolutely.

Zakk Plocica: 31:42

So you know, if you need that little bit of motivation, I'm not dude, I'm all for it. Some people bash it like, oh man, listen to these guys. Blah, blah, blah. You don't need that Motivation is not. You need discipline, blah, blah, blah. Sometimes I need a little motivation, man, I'm like cool man yeah.

Justin Morris: 31:57

Whatever If it works for you, brother. It's like if I need to get a little fired up or feel good about the woods again, I just listen to Donnie Vincent. I'm like I just feel less of a man for a minute and then I'm like this guy's just the man and he does the gear.

Justin Morris: 32:13

you know he'll break down his gear. And, um, I know I listened to you guys on here. You were talking. I can't remember who you were talking to, if it was either Jr Uh, one of the guys who were talking about being purposeful with gear that was something again, cheat code.

Justin Morris: 32:28

I'm only a year or two in. I didn't go down the rabbit hole of I need this camo and this and that. Because of being around you guys, I started going more towards we talked about this, you know going more towards, like the file, raven, the other things that are like man, I'm going to wear some like. This year, I mainly wore solids. Yeah, you know, I wore solids with a zip up, uh, breakup pattern vest, I think, like it was like an underarm or camo. It was nothing to it, but I was wearing, you know, higher end outdoor brands, which works for me for what I do in all the other aspects of my life, whether it's fishing or my job or whatever, and it worked fine. Yeah, you know, I was still able to kill a deer this year, but it was purpose driven and it also makes the hunt more enjoyable because I'm not freezing to death Dude that's such a big thing, and that was Brian.

Justin Morris: 33:15

That's right, it was Brian.

Zakk Plocica: 33:17

Brian's a great dude, but yeah, that was one of the things we discussed. Like I went to this year more of a high end outdoor brand clothing company. That's not a hunt, that's not known for hunting, and I really enjoyed it just because it was perp. Like you said, purpose-built gear for guys or girls that are in the outdoors, camping, backpacking, climbing in extreme conditions. And the carryover is great because when you're sitting still in a stand and you get cold I mean for me that's one of the biggest issues I had was cold feet right Once I get cold, man, and you start trembling, it's hard to stop.

Justin Morris: 33:55

Yes.

Zakk Plocica: 33:55

So I just really enjoyed testing that gear and then going and diving a little bit more into the technical apparel side of things and it seems to me it's, it's an investment, but it's just that you buy it. This stuff lasts forever and it makes the hunt that much more enjoyable whenever you're not just miserable through the entire thing. So the longer, a little bit longer, I can stay in the woods, a little bit more comfortably, I'm about it.

Justin Morris: 34:23

You're not going to move as much? Yeah, because it. I mean it changed. That was another thing. You know, know what the bow hunting aspect is? I'm not shooting deer at 300 yards. I'm sure I've got them walking underneath of me, you know, and it's one little tweak or ting of a piece of metal or whatever, I mean I probably look like a crazy person. I've got that silent strip that I got from the shop wrapped on everything I've got. You know I'm I'm jumping around making sure I'm not rattling, making any noise, whatsoever, whatsoever.

Zakk Plocica: 34:50

Yeah, it's and that's. I think that's one of the things that's so enjoyable about bow hunting, and we say it over and over again, but it's such a challenge, oh yeah.

Zakk Plocica: 34:57

And it's one of those things that you have constantly. You can, every time you go out, you can learn something right, because you are in their environment, in their bedroom, like whenever you see them, you can. It's so much easier to study them when they're right below you. You can see how they move and you know what things they consider, why they take the trails they do with bow hunting, because you're, you're there, you're right on top of them.

Justin Morris: 35:20

And I would say for a and you told me this two years ago you know relatively you're talking about. You know when you finally go you're.

Zakk Plocica: 35:27

I mean, you know me well.

Justin Morris: 35:28

You're like you're going to be done for You're going to be hooked. But I will say for a competitive guy, miss one one time and you're finished. You're going to want to do it forever now because it took you missing that one time. You know my first one. I missed it 10 yards or something. And I believe you started laughing and you were like, did you even look through the peep? And I'm like I don't know, I don't remember, I don't think so.

Justin Morris: 35:52

And that was the exact same night I came in. To add insult to injury, jr had killed one at like 90 yards and I'm like he's just laughing because I had sent him a text. I'm like I just missed one. I think it was 12 yards.

Zakk Plocica: 36:11

Turns out you didn't, I didn't, you misranged it I did.

Justin Morris: 36:12

Everything looks different it does in the woods from a stand. That's right. That circle starts and the higher you go that circle gets smaller and smaller, which I've started learning with the trad bows. We've only got so far with that, especially me with that thing and it's the higher I go. I started hunting lower, you know, hunting in that canopy, get some backdrop.

Justin Morris: 36:26

But that circle starts to get smaller and smaller and and I didn't, i't, I didn't have a range finder, and you know I got you guys squared me away on all that stuff. This year was much better. Um, and you know I was able to get a deer this year and I got a deer that year too.

Zakk Plocica: 36:39

You did, but I did but uh, first year which is here, and I started late in the season.

Justin Morris: 36:44

Our season ends, you know, january 1st. I think I started like late November. Yeah, I had about a month and a half and I was, I was able to get one, but but again it goes back to fundamental stuff. You know, I remember you telling me hey, you need to set, say like 15 yards. That's where you live right now.

Justin Morris: 37:01

Be, realistic, be realistic. That's where you live right now. You've never done this before. I was getting up every morning and I would shoot early in the morning. I'd go do my regular routine only take 10 minutes. I'd shoot. I'd come back at night and I was becoming obsessed with it and it was the little wins of like not doing so well, and then I'd fire you guys like a group. I was shooting you know, oh, this is 15 yards.

Zakk Plocica: 37:22

And it wasn't.

Justin Morris: 37:24

Oh yeah, well, it's only 15 yards, like, oh, it's great, man at it, keep at it. And of course that I think I think that deer I shot this year, that buck I shot this year, was like 31 yards or something. I mean that's a. For me that's a far shot in eastern north carolina when we're shooting through sticks, brush, stuff like that. I let down on one this year. Um, I told you 45, 46 yards and you know I let down on him.

Justin Morris: 37:49

I just I was like I don't think I'm gonna be able to make this shot and they're, they're just amazing animals because everything going on it was in the middle of the day, it was during the rut. There's noise. You know we're again. We're in eastern north carolina. You can't step anywhere without hearing a dark dog bark. And I barely touched that carbon to the riser and just like that he stopped and looked up at me In tune In tune, within 40, 45 yards away, with everything else going on, other deer around. He heard that small little ting and he just eyeballed me. I think I told you I closed my eyes. I don't know what that did, but I closed my eyes like he wouldn't see me.

Zakk Plocica: 38:26

I always feel like if they look at me, I'll never make eye contact. Yeah, see me I. I always so like, if they look at me, yeah, I'll never make eye contact.

Justin Morris: 38:30

Yeah, I'm like yeah, I just I closed my eyes and kind of looked down and I was like, oh man, he's gonna see me. You know, kind of he knew he couldn't see me, he couldn't find me, but he knew something wasn't right. Just super intelligent ain't going over there, just kind of trotted off into the, into the woods, yep, but it was again. That's something that draws you back out, that's what makes me want to go back. Is man I missed him, you know, or he got me today.

Zakk Plocica: 38:56

That constant game, that cat and mouse Keeps it fun, man, I mean because you have to be on top of your game, yep, in order to capitalize and be successful.

Justin Morris: 39:04

And it truly does make you again I'm a big Donnie Vincent fan. It truly does make you again, I'm a big Donnie Vincent fan. But it makes you respect the animal because there's levels, you know, especially when you start moving into those mature deer. Like this year I was shooting you guys a bunch of photos of some good deer that I was seeing at night and so on and so forth and a lot of that. We're in Eastern North Carolina. That's a whole nother conversation with the pressure here. But you really got to be on top of your game with those mature deer you know, coming down scent, checking everything, your access points We've talked about this. I remember Joe was saying he had one. Come to the bottom of the tree and smell a bow rope and was gone.

Justin Morris: 39:41

You know something that simple, that you know we're in their backyard. They see something. It's that's not right, that doesn't look correct, you know.

Zakk Plocica: 39:50

Never going there again. Yeah, they may not know it.

Justin Morris: 39:53

And this year. I mean there was several times this year where we talked a lot about back cover. You know hunting lower. That changed for me this year because as the season progressed here and stuff starts falling off the trees you know I hunt a lot of swamp right there by my house. I'm lucky I got some property right there I can hunt on. And as the leaves fall you just look like a big squirrel hanging in the tree or something huge hanging in the tree. Next thing, you know you can't get that draw because they bust you. So I enjoy the process more than actually honestly, probably more than killing the deer. I enjoy the process of it.

Zakk Plocica: 40:29

I think that's most guys too, and it makes whenever you do have a successful hunt that much better.

Zakk Plocica: 40:34

Yeah, knowing you've put in that much effort, it didn't come easy no you know it required effort and strategy and planning and you know every this, the sun and stars, moon had to align for you able to connect on that and I think that's one of the big draws to bow hunting. Sure is it requires all of that. To anybody I talked to, I think they're they'd be pretty on board with that. You know it's that that hunt. You know, not actually the kill but the actual hunt is is what is so enjoyable about bow hunting.

Justin Morris: 41:04

Yeah, and I think uh I think Brian said it pretty well too and then you know, then the work begins dragging that deer out. He was talking about being out of breath, that's like this year I'd dragging that buck out and I mean I fancy myself in decent shape, and it was just a different thing. But it's funny because then when it gets to, you know, once all that meat's been processed now and I, you know we're halfway through that, and then when you're, you know the respect to that animal, um, when that animal's nourishing you and your family and you're not willing to waste that.

Justin Morris: 41:34

I'm not, you know. I'm not going to waste that meat um on the dinner table, because I know what it took to get it. And it's just the respect of the animal too, like that. That was a life that was given up to sustain yours, right, you know, and, and I think that's why I do appreciate a lot of the guys in the bow hunting community too. So much is because those guys get so in tune with that, and it's the sacrifice all around your time, your discipline, and then the sacrifice of the animal and what it's doing for you and your family.

Zakk Plocica: 42:04

Um. So one of the things that is important to me is teaching my kids to respect the animals, right. So my oldest boy, gavin he loves to go out and hunt, but one of the things. And then my little guy, william he just wants to kill stuff, right, we're not there yet, he's not, he's, he's six. Um. But it's important to me that they understand that we're not going out and just shooting things, right, you know, you're not just going to take a wild shot, you're not just going to go out and shoot a bird. You know we don't do that.

Zakk Plocica: 42:34

We have respect for any living creature and is kind of I don't know not everybody necessarily agrees with it, but I'm just not one that is willing to go out and just shoot and kill things Right. It's important to me that they understand that and they have respect for nature, the animals in the woods, and then they're not one of those people that it's just hey, it's brown, it's down. You know, oh, there's something, let me just shoot it and leave it. It's. Everything is, if it's shot, it's taken, it's used to the fullest capability.

Zakk Plocica: 43:04

So that's that's big with Gavin right now he's he's big into squirrel and rabbit hunting and this morning it's 7 o'clock. He's up. I'm like where are you going? He's like I'm going hunting. I'm like it's 30 degrees out. He's like, yeah, well, he's like I got this squirrel hide, I've got it tacked up. I'm in the process of tanning this hide. That's awesome. He made me go get salt last night from the store on my way home from work.

Zakk Plocica: 43:30

But I go into the garage and he's got a board that he took and he's got a squirrel hide tacked up and he's tanning this hide. I'm like what are you going to do with it? He's like I don't know, I probably need a couple more. I'll probably make a hand warmer. You know it's just funny. But he's using everything from it. You know we take, we break down the squirrel. He takes the hide. He's like you know. His next thing is he wants to make a raccoon hat or he wants the next deer he kills. He wants to take the hide and before you know it you'll see him walking around and just all animal skins, looking like a psycho with his mullet. That's right.

Justin Morris: 44:03

But that's a lost thing now right Like you know and I'm sure that I don't have kids, but, um, I remember being a kid and you know, I'm sure parents, you guys, can't do this now, but I would just leave in the morning and show back up at night and just be in the woods all day.

Zakk Plocica: 44:18

That's how it is where we were. We're fortunate where we live.

Zakk Plocica: 44:20

Yeah, you guys have got an awesome place, we've got a really good place, and that's what Gavin will do, um, you know, in the cold, with his 22 or his four 10, and he'll spend the day in the woods and then, you know, he'll he'll shoot something, he'll bring it back, he'll break it down. Uh, you know, try to tan the hide and be creative with it, and I love that, and that's what I want my little guy to do as well is to be somebody that you know. I think they're good skills, sure, you know, and it teaches kids, um, independence and respect for nature. And you know, getting up and using your brain and not just being, not just consuming Right Cause so many kids it's. So I mean, as adult, you think about how, how hard it is to get pulled back from social media or anything like that, and as a kid, to be able to do that you know that's, that's one of my big goals is like there's more to life than other people's videos.

Justin Morris: 45:16

Man, go out and do something like take, take, take, you got to give something that's it, man and I, and I think that's like especially in in the crew of guys, like the circle of guys that I, I feel that we're in um, especially here locally, is, you know, bow hunting specifically, hunting in general, but you know, and I do a lot of fishing, you know, competitively I did a lot of fishing and I still do. I don't compete as much now as I did, but you know I do a lot of inshore competition type stuff. But one thing bow hunting specifically and specifically I think does, is it's a place of peace and it's a way that you can cause, you're going to give, you're going to give a lot, but it's different and it's it's hard to bottle up what it means and it's hard to bottle up the exact process. But if you know, you know, and I know you know and those listening know that, do it. You know it's a place to go where you know the silence, know you know and those listening know that, do it. You know it's a place to go where you know the silence can be deafening, you know it can. Just, I don't know that sounds odd to some people that probably haven't experienced that, but you know you're in a tree and you're waiting for the sun to come up, or you know it's an afternoon hunt and it's so quiet that it's almost loud, but nothing else is going on, going on.

Justin Morris: 46:30

You know you've put in the time, you put in the effort to your gear, your your discipline of shooting the bow and it honestly comes down. For me it comes down to like the beginning of the year. Last year, at the beginning of the season, I watched deer walk under me. For a month now that's twofold I should have shot some deer early season because I didn't pay off late season. I I ended up seeing I think we talked about that I saw trees and squirrels, you know, especially here in Eastern North Carolina.

Zakk Plocica: 46:56

It seemed like they start like one thing that I know. Late season here was really tough, like I didn't see hardly what a grind right. I mean it's still fun to get out there, but it gets to the point you're like I'm still getting a little frustrated yeah, it's getting a little rough out here. Where is all the animals? It's like they evaporated into the ground I know I get you go out in the woods you're like there's no animals here.

Justin Morris: 47:16

There's, yeah nothing lives out here anymore. In early season, I mean, it was double digits, I had them walking under me, walking around me and, um, you know, and there's some benefits to that too. I believe in my short time and my humble opinion, um, but, uh, just the ability to, to be out there and see, that for me it's, it's, you know it, kind of esoteric in a sense, but it's, it's therapy for you. I mean, it's just it kind of re-centers, you brings you back, makes you appreciate stuff, and I think about it. We talk about gavin because he's doing it at such a young age. He's going to carry that forever. So when he grows up, becomes a grown man, has a job, a career, I guarantee you he's going to go back to that man. I need to take some time for the woods.

Zakk Plocica: 47:59

Understand why it's important and how it's important.

Justin Morris: 48:03

And how does that fit into my time? Because to me and I pair that with stuff like jiu-jitsu and some other anything hard that to me doesn't have a monetary gain. Some things do have a monetary gain and that's great if you can do it, but especially things that are hard, that don't have a monetary gain. In the end they seem to pay the most the obstacle is the way.

Justin Morris: 48:26

Yeah, exactly, whether that's jiu-jitsu or wrestling, like wrestling, such a grind. But you know, and there's, there's no one really killing it in the financial world off of wrestling, but man, what you know, what a challenge and what a you know success in the end. Same thing with hunting. Like, I'm not getting paid to go hunt. Matter of fact, I'm spending a lot of money most of the time with my gear, my bow, my time, but for that 10 minutes you know of perfect time in the woods, it's worth 10 months Right.

Zakk Plocica: 48:58

Adversity builds character man and I'm a big believer in doing hard things and that's one of the things I've spent a lot of my life, more on the physical side of things Right, and more recently even on the um, mental, educational side of things. Is con is challenging because that's I feel like if I'm not continuing to challenge myself, I'm not growing and then I become stagnant and stale, um, and then life at that point seems to me that's when life starts to become overwhelming, you know, and you develop those anxieties and fears. And when I'm you're not constantly pushing to do more and challenge yourself, like we go back to being stale or stagnant, and I don't mind is just dangerous Right. And you know that was one of the big takeaways for me over all the years of the stuff I've done is I've always felt best when I've done more Right.

Justin Morris: 49:51

Yeah, constantly. And speaking of dangerous, make sure you use your ropes. I told you about that.

Zakk Plocica: 49:56

The woods are silent until they're not.

Justin Morris: 49:58

Man, you want to talk about man.

Zakk Plocica: 50:01

What an experience I talked to Brian about that too which you know it's crazy because there's, you don't think about it, but people get hurt all the time in the woods. You know things happen, just squared away individuals. You know you get a little bit overconfident, um, or just in a hurry, more so than anything, like I just need to pull the stand down real quick. I'm gonna strip it down. I gotta get out of the woods, um, because I got stuff to do today, right, that's when things happen and go South quick. And for you that was never again. Dude, like you the call man, I'm like the heck is this dude calling me about, like at this time of the day? And yeah, you had just fallen from the stand.

Justin Morris: 50:45

Well, I thought about you, cause I know you and I are talking and, if we're being honest, you're probably the worst, for you're like oh, I don't need that.

Zakk Plocica: 50:51

Two weeks left.

Justin Morris: 50:52

Yeah Just, I've done this a million times this year. I'm not going to.

Zakk Plocica: 50:56

I don't need no rope.

Justin Morris: 50:57

Right, you know, I'll just climb up. When I get up there, then I'll, you know, I'll tether up. There's too many limbs, I'm not hooking in don't want to disconnect, go up, but yeah, it was. It was something as simple as getting down from the morning and I'm like I'm gonna rehang for the evening, but I need to move. So I'm gonna move on this edge down here and it, when I tell you it's fast, it's fast, gravity is, is, is, uh it wins every time.

Justin Morris: 51:23

Yeah it's, it's tough, but, um, never again after that. I'm I think it was brian that talks about being kind of a baby with that stuff. He's like I'm tethered to the tree.

Zakk Plocica: 51:32

He's tethered to the tree before he steps on a stick.

Justin Morris: 51:35

I'm with Brian now I'm like, okay, no more. Because I mean I was climbing in the dark, no ropes. Now let me put some context on that. I wasn't climbing If I had a pre-hung set like a lock on and it had a bunch of limbs again not safe. But I'd climb in the dark Cause I'm like I've, I've been up here, I've got limbs to hold on to. I wasn't climbing just a bare tree, um. But in that case I was like this is only going to take five minutes. I in fact was, so I'd hung some sticks, got up to my last stick, I had that, uh, that Xop on my back and the. The worst thing about it was and I told you, I had my saddle on, I had a lineman's belt hanging off and I had a tether on the other side. Zero excuses, I could have doubled down on that. But, uh, again it's gonna take me five minutes. I gotta get out of here, get back for the evening. Last stick go to hang it. Hung it went to set the stick again. Rookie mistake, I didn't set it with my hands because I'd hung sticks all year. I, I did.

Justin Morris: 52:37

I did a lot of hunting this year, oh yeah, um, you know I mean almost every day to a to a point of it probably costed me, you know, doing a little over hunting. But um went to set that last stick and I jumped on it and when I did it was not good. It was gone and I was gone, flipped upside down, landed on my head, um, and you know that, thank goodness that stand was sticking up above my head. The stand caught first and then I, you know, basically folded over right, but for about three to four seconds I could hear, I could see, but I couldn't move and it scared the hell out of me. I was like, oh my God, I just fell.

Justin Morris: 53:19

I'm thinking. First thing I'm thinking is something's got to be broken. I messed up, by the grace of God, I gashed my hand up decently, but other than that, I'm good with that. You know, I gashed my hand up decently, but other than that, I'm good with that. You know, um, I hit my face on the tree but not on the step. So I think I sent you a picture. It likes when it hit me in the head with a ball bat. Yeah, good size, lump right there.

Justin Morris: 53:40

Head sticking out. But, um, I'm kind of used to that. But you know, getting hit in the head, but no cuts, no broken bones, and it wasn't a. You know, I was probably 15 feet. 15 feet's a long way, you know. When you're just falling Upside down, yeah, upside down too, so got lucky on that, but I will. I will say that to anybody that listens like don't think you're above it. I've rock climbed for years. You know, um, 15 feet to me is, you know, hanging off of rock faces. You know, leaning back, shaking my hands out, moving up, you know rock faces in the Blue Ridge and stuff, no problem, but 15 feet, no rope. Falling into a swamp is not good.

Zakk Plocica: 54:21

Yeah, I mean, and you don't think about it until it's probably after the fact. But like that's a career ender, a life changing. I was a life ender.

Justin Morris: 54:30

Yeah, no one knew where I was, um to include my wife. You know, I know I cause again. I'm just going back on the property that adjoins to the house three quarters of a mile back towards the swamp. I'll be back in an hour, two hours, well, maybe, maybe not, so didn't tell anybody where I was. People were texting me, you know it's like 1030 in the morning. Hey, are you wife's texting me? You coming home, are you okay? Like, yeah, I'll be home after I, you know, regroup, after I regroup, and you know I got to come home and at least change pants after that.

Zakk Plocica: 55:02

Yeah, I think that's important. I'm real bad about it too, like I don't ever like, if I go out, I'm like, hey, I'm going out hunting, yep, well, where you know, I don't, I don't give a general idea, and that's a lot of where I'm at. There's a lot of property, a lot of different areas to be in um, and if something were to happen, it's gonna be a hard, they're gonna have a hard time finding me. So I gotta be a little bit more proactive, with either dropping pins or just drop a pin, yeah general vicinity of where I'm actually gonna be, because most of the time I don't.

Zakk Plocica: 55:30

It's just hey, I'm going hunting.

Justin Morris: 55:31

I'll be back tonight yep, but I'm definitely with Brian on that one, I'm I'm going to take the extra five minutes and I'm tethered all the way up now. Ever since then you know that was probably I had a month left to hunt and after that, and you know, I just got back from that hunt in Mississippi and it probably took me 15 minutes to get up the tree, where normally it takes me five. But I definitely weren't going to fall on somebody else's property and in the middle of nowhere, and right you know, and, and get killed out there. So it's. But, but in the same vein, um, I hunted when I came up as a kid. I did a lot of deer hunting with a rifle and I hunted lock ons.

Justin Morris: 56:06

I never wore a safety harness. I was in a climber, never wore a safety harness. I was in a climber, never wore a safety harness. Saddle hunting by far the safest way to hunt and I've tried them all. Um, I can't believe I didn't get hurt before with climbers. The climber to me feels like a death trap. But um, you know, to each his own. I'm sure guys love them. They scare, they scare the hell out of me. But uh, the saddle thing is just just feel secure.

Zakk Plocica: 56:29

Yeah, that's why I've got my kid in a, in a saddle. I just, I, I'm confident with him and his lack of experience climbing right. I'm comfortable with him being in that and climbing trees on his own. Uh, I just, I just feel like he's, he's safe as long as he stays tethered to the tree while he climbs, along with that lineman's rope or belt or whatever I think it's it's. It's probably one of the safest alternatives to climbing up a tree whenever you're hunting.

Justin Morris: 56:56

With good gear too. Yes, Because coming from kind of the rock climbing world, you'll see guys on forums or whatever, and he's wearing $2,000 worth of camo, but he's buying check carabiners that you've never heard of that are and they may work. But I would definitely say, um, if you're going to, you're going to be up in the air. You're banking, you're not banking your life on that $500 jacket, you're. You know, let's make sure the ropes and the saddle and stuff are squared away first.

Zakk Plocica: 57:25

Inspect your equipment every season.

Justin Morris: 57:27

Absolutely.

Zakk Plocica: 57:28

During the season.

Justin Morris: 57:29

Yes, Um, make sure you're checking those ropes, you know. Again, coming from the rock climbing side, like check your carabiners, you know, make sure they close.

Zakk Plocica: 57:37

I've had my bridge while I'm sitting, I'm looking around and I'm turning around and my carabiner is caught on it and open. I'm like man if I move the wrong way, this is the only thing holding me here. That's the. That's the end.

Justin Morris: 57:50

We a, uh, a rappel master, um, at work. That was telling us. I recently just got back from from louisiana and we were down there doing some stuff and we were doing some rappelling too and and we were talking about just that, he's a rappel master, he rock climbs, he's been doing it forever. And one of our guys was going over a wall that was well over 30 feet in the air and he looked down and it was a reputable carabiner but it wasn't closed. It was that the one that cams over and shoots up the auto locking. Yes, and he looked down and the guys hanging that tension from his riggers belt and it was open. And he said he just reached down and closed it. And the guy you know our guy looks at him. He's like what's up? He goes no, don't worry about it, you're fine, you're good. But I mean, like you said, one wrong move, tension comes off. You know, even with high end gear, like inspect your equipment, you know, and I don't, I don't know if there ended up being something wrong with that carabiner.

Zakk Plocica: 58:53

I'm sure they took it out of service, you know. But one little, you know you're only an inch from falling 35 feet. No big deal. Disaster at all times, that's right. So go back to it. So you, you haven't had a lot of access to a lot of property. No, um, you've hunted mainly small property, um, these last couple years, and I feel like when we've we've talked, you've learned a lot from that. Yes, you know what are some of your biggest takeaways with only having access to such cause. How many acres is it? Uh, about 50. So 50 acres sounds like a lot of property. It's easy to blow out a property quickly, as some something that's that small. So, you know, do you have some of your biggest takeaways from hunting a smaller area?

Justin Morris: 59:31

Yes. So again, not to blame some of it on Eastern North Carolina, but it's getting outside pressure because it's landlocked. It's a great piece of property but it's landlocked, so you've got dog hunters all around. So even if those deer are starting to move in there, what I noticed was almost like a kind of a safe haven. They've got a spot to go.

Zakk Plocica: 59:48

You can't as you saw this year.

Justin Morris: 59:50

You can't stop dogs from running across your property and killing your deer. But, um, one big takeaway, especially this year, that I learned was being selective about when to hunt, because I want to hunt so bad and I want to get out there and I, you know I was making time to go.

Zakk Plocica: 1:00:08

It's like you're a kid on Christmas right you just cannot wait. You looked all forward to it all year yeah.

Justin Morris: 1:00:14

And I almost think it's worse because I walk out of. I'm on several acres that butts up to this property. I walk out of my gate, into the property anytime I want. So it's even worse because I'm like I can go hunting right now. You know, there's nothing stopping me. I don't have to drive anywhere or anything. Now I've picked up another property this year I'll have to drive to, which is going to help with this issue. But being more selective about hunting, don't hunt bad winds just to go. Don't think more is better because it's not Access control huge. You can only stomp that ground so many times. They're going to figure out what's going on and I saw that especially later in the season, you know, even younger does start to figure out man they're in and out, in and out, in and out.

Justin Morris: 1:01:04

So I think next year I'm definitely going to spend more time hunting the fringe too. I'm not going to over-penetrate the woods just because and I think you said it this year man, there's some really good spots you may not be able to hunt, and I learned that this year. I'm like man, this spot looks killer, it's very deary.

Zakk Plocica: 1:01:24

Yeah, it's very deary.

Justin Morris: 1:01:25

I need to get in here. Man, there's sign everywhere I need to get in here.

Zakk Plocica: 1:01:28

Well, you just ruined that because there's no way to access it.

Justin Morris: 1:01:30

You just blew that out, getting in there, even walking a creek bottom, getting a, you know, a good wind. You know next year, this coming season, I'm gonna hunt a lot more fringe. Um, you know I'm not gonna hunt as much and I'm gonna make and I think that'll make your hunts better. It's, it's gonna make it. You know those hunts are gonna count more and you know they're gonna be a little more special to you, right? And you know I'm going to go into this year with a purpose of, like last year, I did a lot of sit, like, hey, I'm just going to go sit and watch. You know, well, I've got cameras up so I know the deer are there.

Justin Morris: 1:02:05

I'd go in and I'd just sit morning, the evening, and watch deer walk around me. Well, that's great, but I'm not getting anything other than I am observing like some behavior and stuff like that. But those mature or mature bucks I had on the property last year, that's not going to work. No, you know, I got to go in with a plan calculated. This is what I need to do. Um, so we're going to give that a shake this year as opposed to last year. I just, I guess, to answer your question, I over hunted way too much.

Zakk Plocica: 1:02:34

I just think it's really easy to do because, for me too, like I've got more access to properties, more properties than what I've had in the past. But, like you said, you're just excited man, You're like dude, I've got an opportunity, I just want to go sit in the woods and you know, which is great. But it can also be detrimental to your being successful with your hunt, and I think that's another thing where it comes down to being disciplined and hunting with intent. You know you go out, you have a plan. You're like listen, I know I'm off today, but it's just not the day I cannot hunt this. There's no way I can make this happen.

Zakk Plocica: 1:03:09

Right, you know today I'm going to have to hold off and I I struggle with that too, because I'm like, oh my gosh, this is such a killer property, but it's the wrong wind. I know I'm off today.

Justin Morris: 1:03:21

I guess I'm not hunting, yeah, and forcing yourself to to withhold that's right and I think around us especially, we're kind of in a place where it's easy to get the mentality well, if I'm not there, someone's going and we've only got so much time. You hear that all the time and you know if we're, if you're not out there trying to get after them, somebody else is going to kill that deer or push the deer or whatever, and I think it's easy to fall into that. Yes, um, it's tough man. I think.

Zakk Plocica: 1:03:48

I think it comes down to, like you do with every other aspect of your life planning yeah you know planning and getting ahead of these things, and not just because I, like I said, I I sometimes I'm like I don't have a plan, I'm just gonna go sit in the woods, yeah, and it and it. I don't have all the property in the world so I've just ruined that. Um, so, being hunting with intent, going out with a plan, having you know a game plan ahead of time as to what you're going to do in order, and that's if you want to successfully Sure yeah.

Justin Morris: 1:04:22

Yeah, if you just want to go, I mean, and I think that too, that's great, like it's, and I think we're, I don't think we're jumping into one camp like a camp, you know, like, oh, you've got to do it this way. Feel free to do whatever you want, it just depends on what, what avenue you want to go down. I mean, I saw deer all year, right Now, granted, towards the end of the season, she got rough. I saw a lot of trees. I saw a lot of squirrels, yes, and, and part of that, you know it's that's, that's compartmentalized for different things. Know, pressure, a lot of it's me too.

Justin Morris: 1:04:52

Um, because I noticed, early season I could stomp all over the place and I saw deer every single hunt. I went on. That slowly dwindled away, um, especially after the rut, you know. But, but absolutely, like you're saying, just be with more intent, especially this coming season. I'm going to do a lot more prep this year, um, as far as like some, maybe some more like natural food, plot stuff, and try to be just more intentional in where I go to, at what time of the year, you know, am I going into places like this year?

Justin Morris: 1:05:20

I noticed, even after the season I did some walking, I did some scouting because now I've got an idea of what that property looks like late season, without going in mid season to try to to try to, you know, prep for the late season. So now I've kind of got a snapshot of, well, you know, this looked pretty good. You know, later in the season or whatever, and try not to overstep the property, hunt the fringes, you know where I can, where we've talked about that, where you've got access to get in and get out, and not try to walk the entire property to get around. Even on a good wind, you know, still ground scent and still you're there, you're still there. I did a lot of scouting last year. I told you when I would literally go out in the pouring rain. It would be pouring rain and storming and I'm like, well, this is, this is when I should go, because it's rainy, it's going to wash away.

Zakk Plocica: 1:06:11

That didn't do I don't know that that did me any good, I just got wet yeah, man, I, you know, and I I go back and forth with it too, because you know everybody wants to be successful, everyone wants to show that trophy or whatnot, and you know it's easy to get carried away with that and forget why you enjoy hunting, just being out there and hunting and learning the lay of the land. And you know, maybe not necessarily being successful, but disconnecting from your normal everyday life Um, that's might be, you know, high intensity, high in stress, and it's just a good opportunity like, hey, maybe today isn't the best day, but I need to. I need a break. Yeah, yeah, I'm going to go take a break in the neighbor's property. Yeah, exactly, I'm going to go over here.

Justin Morris: 1:06:55

I'm going to go over there. I'm going to go to Jake's house on his property.

Zakk Plocica: 1:06:58

He's working today. He's working and he's right across the street from me.

Justin Morris: 1:07:04

Let me go blow it out for him, send him a picture. Hey, I think I noticed this year I was chasing two deer and I kept getting them on camera and they were. They were good, you know, good bucks or mature deer for this area and I was so focused on those deer that I was in I lost track of what I was doing on. Hey, man, you don't need to go today, you need to do this. I was just so focused on those two, those two deer, but I noticed like I would pick up the trab bow and I'd forget all about that because it just goes back to good luck just getting a deer Right. You know, for me especially like good luck just getting the deer.

Justin Morris: 1:07:41

And it was so enjoyable to go in the woods and hang that trad bow up and go. Man, I've got this 15 yard area and you just, you're quieter, you relax. You know I'm not sitting there because it almost takes the enjoyment out of the hunt when I'm like, well, if you know there's pressure, that 10-pointer doesn't walk in, what am I even here for? I don't. I mean, I can't take a photo of him and send him to the guys. That is so irrelevant to what we got into it for, or for what I got into it for, or for what I got into it for. And now luckily it didn't take me years to figure that out I'm like I'm kind of going back to center and saying and I'm out here.

Justin Morris: 1:08:22

You know, if I was, if I'm able to harvest a deer, I'll put in the work to tom, you know, then that's going to be fantastic. You know, respect the animal, enjoy the hunt. But I'm not out here trophy hunting, right, um nothing. If that's your gig, then that's your thing. Um, I don't have that problem. So, yeah, you know, I don't. I don't have the problem of just killing huge deer all the time right, yeah, nor do I yeah, so you know it's not as hard for me and I'm not watching.

Justin Morris: 1:08:48

You know 180s walk by all day or nothing.

Zakk Plocica: 1:08:50

So I try to look at it through to like through my kids eyes. So anytime I take my kids out and we go hunting and they see an animal dude, it's like it might as well be the biggest deer ever, because everybody gets excited. They're like, oh, we saw something, even if we don't shoot it. You know, maybe we just saw some turkeys or we saw a raccoon, and they just get excited to see the animals out in the woods. That's what you know. It's hard to do that all the time, but you know that's what I like to get back to is like oh man, you know you saw something. It was awesome just to be out there and reconnect with nature, um, and and disconnect from, you know, our, our everyday life and not putting the pressure on myself to go out. And you know I only got to see big deer, which, don't get me wrong, it's exciting, oh yeah, that's awesome.

Justin Morris: 1:09:37

Yeah, then you get the shakes, yeah. But it's like it's the same thing with fishing, like I was talking about competitive fishing, like whether people will know it or not. Um, you have some of the best inshore redfish competitive fishermen in the country in this area Redfish World Series guys. Some of those guys are here in this area. So that's a big thing here and much like deer hunting. The pressure here is just bananas.

Justin Morris: 1:10:01

But I can equate that over to when I first got into fishing I just wanted to catch stuff. Right, yeah, I was so excited I would go. I mean, I'd go weeks and not catch anything and you know then when I would finally catch a red drum. I'm like man, this is just fantastic. That led into. If I wasn't catching tournament level fish, I didn't care anymore. It's not even worth going.

Justin Morris: 1:10:25

But then I would take somebody who'd never caught a red drum and we're watching, you know, tailing redfish with their backs out of the water and a foot and a half less of water and watching those guys catch one. And it's like watching a grown man be a little kid. He's like I can't believe I got him. This is awesome. It kind of humbles you and you're like, man, this is what it's about, got to reset. Yeah, like this is what it's about. It's not about putting numbers on the board every time and you know, I'm kind of taking a step back from that this year and not doing any tournament stuff. Not that I'm blowing it out of the water, anyway, but I'm kind of just going back to like going out having fun, scouting water, finding fish and getting on some fish. And getting on some good fish is great, but not making it a man. I got to get ready for competition season.

Zakk Plocica: 1:11:13

I got to pre-fish for the tournaments. I gotta turn into a job and it's no longer fun. Yeah, and forget why you got into it, and for me, bowhunting is the opposite of that.

Justin Morris: 1:11:20

I get nothing monetarily. Again, it's the opposite. I spend all my my money on it, so it to me it's uh. It gives me more than I put into it, though, right.

Zakk Plocica: 1:11:33

Absolutely, I'm with you. I 100% agree on that, man. I mean, it's just one of those things, man. It's challenging but it's rewarding at the same time. Absolutely so what are your plans for 2024 season? So do you have any big plans this year? I know you said you've got access to another property that's a little bit further away.

Justin Morris: 1:11:55

I think this year excuse me, I think I'm going to try to do more prep early season, like say in the spring. I'm going to play around with some seed and stuff like that in some areas. Just because I've never done it, I want to try it. I want to do some throw and grow and see what happens. It may not be the best way, but I'm going to try. And then, moving into, maybe do some turkey hunting this year, see how fun that can be. I know a lot of guys are big into that around here. Hey, if you think you like deer hunting, try turkey hunting with a bow, you're going to do it with a bow.

Justin Morris: 1:12:28

Well, yeah, I don else, like, I don't own a deer rifle or anything, only hunting weapons I own, or a bow.

Justin Morris: 1:12:38

Okay, anything else is going to be like you want me to shoot ak-47 out of turkey, or something you know, or ar, or whatever, right, but um, yeah, I'm gonna, you know, I might try if I'm around. Um, I got some travel coming up, but uh, I think I'm gonna do that. I'm to try to prep a little bit and then, um, as we move into like early season, I'm going to try to hunt that other property it's, it's about three times the size. So I'm going to try to get out there, try to scout around a little bit and, again, be intentional with what I'm seeing on, you know, cameras, um, the time of the year, so on and so forth. This year I'm going to try to shoot my bow even more. Last year I shot quite a bit, even going into the offseason, but as I've gotten into the trad bow kind of world, it's something I just do now, every day. You should come out and shoot our 3D events.

Justin Morris: 1:13:25

Yeah, that'll be humbling. So again, if I can pencil that in to Well, I've got the dates posted.

Zakk Plocica: 1:13:33

First one's this Saturday. Yeah, clear your calendar. So there you go. I have no excuse.

Justin Morris: 1:13:37

Live, but I'm going to try to do that. So I'm going to try to do some food plot stuff and obviously I want to try to play with gear a little bit more going into the season, not so much during Try to mess around with some of the stuff you and I've bounced back and forth on some rigs. Um, I'm gonna try to do some a couple out-of-state hunts, kind of networking, and again, it's just, it's crazy once you figure out who else does this stuff. You know I've got guys on my team that are like, yeah, I've been, I've been hunting for 20 years. You know, I've got a place in colorado, you should go sometime, like, okay, yeah, put me down, how's next year sound yeah you know.

Justin Morris: 1:14:13

So I'm gonna try to do. I've got some access to try to do a mountain lion hunt coming up this year or going into 2024. 100 gonna take advantage of that with a bow. Um, I don't know if I'll be successful, but I won't know until I try. Is that in colorado? Yes, yeah, so I'm gonna try to. I'm gonna try to go to colorado this year, go back to miss this year, made a contact there and we'll see what else comes up. But you know, just try to network out a little bit, try to go to TAC with you guys this year. Hopefully, if I can figure out a way to not be busy during that time, my plan is to go out with the extreme Outfitters team out there and do that and just get ready for the upcoming year. You know, as far as staying up on my, on my shooting and making sure my gear's squared away and then um accessing this new property that I picked up, um through a mutual friend, john john taylor's dad oh really yeah, oh okay, he's got a farm.

Justin Morris: 1:15:06

He's got like 100 and I think 180 acres. Oh wow, no one hunts it is john gone now?

Zakk Plocica: 1:15:12

yeah, he's gone now.

Justin Morris: 1:15:12

Oh, he's in virginia, yeah he moved up to virginia beach for work, so didn't even say bye.

Zakk Plocica: 1:15:17

Yeah, I know he's. He's a busy guy he is.

Justin Morris: 1:15:19

He's doing some similar stuff, so he kind of ghosted out. But uh, talking to his dad, he's like, yeah, I had one guy hunt this year and he came out and hunted one time, shot a 10 pointer and then didn't come back. I'm like can I, can I hunt this property? He's like sure, that's awesome so I'm gonna go, try that.

Justin Morris: 1:15:34

That's out towards your area. Yeah, um. So, between those two things and, um, you know, try to do some fishing this year. I didn't do as much last year, but I got to get you out there too.

Zakk Plocica: 1:15:43

I know jr's been wanting to go well, I told you let me know so that I can go with you, because I am no fisherman, but I think it'd be a good time yeah, yeah.

Justin Morris: 1:15:51

Well, I didn't bow hunt until you guys hit me with the needle on that.

Zakk Plocica: 1:15:55

I told you, man, I was like dude, I don't think you really want to get into this. It's going to take over your life. It's a disease, yeah, and then you'll be crippled because it'll be all you care about Three, 65.

Justin Morris: 1:16:04

And it's. You know, my wife gets on me all the time. My garage looks like like man camp. I got like surfboards hanging up, rock climbing gear, shooting stuff. Now I've got like a little mini bow shop in the corner. I'm fletching my own arrows and doing wraps and I've got four bows hanging up and it's just. It's a sickness, it is man, but it's a blast.

Zakk Plocica: 1:16:23

It's awesome.

Justin Morris: 1:16:23

You know, you know if you're not, if you're not doing that, you'd be doing something else.

Zakk Plocica: 1:16:28

So we see a lot of that. Yeah, you got to have a hobby, man. I think you've got to have something that you really enjoy, a pastime that brings you peace and also challenges you.

Justin Morris: 1:16:41

And bow hunting. In general, I see it, it develops you in other aspects of your life. It builds on other things.

Zakk Plocica: 1:16:47

It's a discipline, just like going to the gym is a discipline, absolutely, if you can sit and be quiet and be still. That's harder than you realize. Oh yeah, you're like ah, it's eight o'clock this morning. They should have moved at seven, 30. Maybe I'll get down and go walk around. That's right, all right, you idiot, you just blew this place out?

Justin Morris: 1:17:04

Yeah, you just destroyed it. What are you doing right now? I'll go scout first. Yeah, yeah, you have 21 acres. What are you doing? You just walked through five of them to get here. Yeah, so yeah, that's a mistake. Yeah, absolutely yeah.

Zakk Plocica: 1:17:16

Well, solid man. So you've had a solid start, man. You made a lot of great contacts. Um, like I said, we've been friends for a long time and we've, you know, I've seen you go through all the different things that you've done and everything has always been 110%, and I had no doubt it would be the same way with bow hunting. It's only one way to do it. That's it, man. All or nothing. The next person that we need to get into it which I don't know if we ever will is Jake I'm trying Jake Parker. So, jake Parker, if you're listening to this, did you ever come? He bought a bow.

Justin Morris: 1:17:42

I don't know. His bow is still in the. I think you're gonna do it the the week before. It doesn't work that way.

Zakk Plocica: 1:17:53

Yeah, there's a big misconception. I can pick a bow up and go hunting with it I'll get at it, you know, maybe a couple weeks before.

Justin Morris: 1:18:00

No, no, you won't. Yeah, you'll miss a deer at 12 yards yeah, you will.

Zakk Plocica: 1:18:03

You won't even see.

Justin Morris: 1:18:04

Let's be real, you won't even see a deer you won't even see a deer and you probably won't see your peep when you go to pull the bow. Yeah, don yeah, don't forget to load an arrow.

Zakk Plocica: 1:18:11

That's right. Well, good deal, man. Well, I appreciate you taking the time to sit down and talk with me. Man, it's like I said, we've had a pretty good friendship over the last decade. I would tell everyone where they can find you, but no one's going to be able to find you.

Justin Morris: 1:18:25

Yeah, I don't do that stuff anymore.

Zakk Plocica: 1:18:26

So there is no social media. So if, with Justin, you could, probably your best way to do it is through our social media pages, cause we, you know, get some pictures and stuff and reshare some of his stuff, so good deal. Well, thanks, man. Yeah, appreciate it, man, and good luck this season. I'm sure this year will be even better than the last knowing you, everything gets better.

Justin Morris: 1:18:46

I'll try. We're going to give it all we got. That's it. Thanks, man.

Zakk Plocica: 1:18:48

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