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Easton's Engineering Excellence: Quality, Innovation, and Precision in Arrow Manufacturing
What separates a good arrow from a truly exceptional one? In this revealing conversation with Cody Griffin, Promotions Manager at Easton, we pull back the curtain on the engineering excellence that makes Easton the premier arrow manufacturer in the world.
Cody takes us inside the closely-guarded manufacturing facilities in Salt Lake City, where American engineering and innovation create arrows that have dominated Olympic archery since 1996. We explore the revolutionary Acu-Carbon process that allows Easton to control four critical arrow elements simultaneously - something no other manufacturer can match. From spine consistency to component tolerances measured in thousandths of an inch, you'll understand why serious archers trust Easton when performance matters most.
The discussion dives deep into the technical aspects that make Easton arrows stand out, including why the Axis 5MM has earned its reputation as "the 30-30 of the arrow world." We break down myths about spine indexing, explore the engineering behind the new Match Grade system, and reveal the sweet spot for hunting arrow setup that balances trajectory with terminal performance.
Beyond the technical details, Cody shares his journey from retail bow shop employee to corporate brand ambassador, illustrating how customer service and archery passion remain at the core of Easton's identity. We also explore the broader archery community, highlighting influential figures who have elevated the sport while maintaining authenticity.
Whether you're a competitive archer seeking every advantage or a dedicated bowhunter demanding reliability when it matters most, this episode delivers rare insights into the science and craftsmanship behind the arrows trusted by champions worldwide.
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Speaker 2:You'd be like All right, so we are live. We got Cody in the house all the way from Salt Lake City, utah yes, sir, from Easton Made the big transition a couple years ago.
Speaker 1:Year and a half. Yeah, a little over a year and three months ago, or so. Is that what it is? A year and three months ago Is that what it is A year and three months ago.
Speaker 2:Moving and grooving man.
Speaker 1:You've done a lot since you've been there, Dude, it's been a transition, has it? It's a. I feel like I got imposter syndrome a lot. I don't know if you ever get that or not Probably not, but it's like. You know. I came from like I.
Speaker 2:I think extreme is like the best bow shop in north carolina, appreciate that. Yeah, well, you were the, the, the starting the foundation for what we've done. Right so anybody who doesn't know any the history on extreme outfitters right so we did not. We were not always an archery brand, you know. We we started in this. This company actually originated in 97, the original owner it was all military, law enforcement, some outdoor stuff. He unfortunately passed away. He was a really good friend of ours. We ended up buying the company and about six years ago we made the transition right. We had this crazy idea, you know, business wasn't doing great. So I had this crazy idea and you were one of the first guys that I talked to about it and you were like on board right away. Dude, it was wild with the.
Speaker 1:I still remember. I remember hearing about like let's do it, let's go, like this is going to be what this, it was going to be so cool you know, I mean, it's great like it. Uh, it exceeded my expectation of you know what, when, what, when? I man, I remember when I was, when I got here. I'm like it was another version of imposter syndrome. You know, it's like Holy crap, we were in it too. Yeah, dude, just neck deep now, but you're not getting out of this deal Like this, is it?
Speaker 2:Yup, and we sank everything into it.
Speaker 1:Oh man, yeah, good times. But yeah, dude, coming from like the retail, the bow shop side of things, now to you know, like a corporate giant like Easton, and it's not so corporate, like a super tight, like white tied, you know corporation.
Speaker 2:It's one of the biggest brands within the archery world.
Speaker 1:Dude, it is huge.
Speaker 2:Easton. Yeah, I mean, everybody knows the name Easton. They have a great reputation and now you're part of that brand and represent them extremely well. I mean, I feel the pressure I mean you don't post a lot on social media. You're kind of I keep it very.
Speaker 1:I actually put my page private for a while and I just had so many people following, like you know, sending in follow requests and it's people that I've never met and I'm sure that I people following, like you know, sending in follow requests and it's people that I've never met and I'm sure that I would get to meet and stuff, but it's like I wouldn't call it an invasion of privacy, but it was like I don't want this attention like this.
Speaker 1:You know my platform yeah and all I do is post lifting pics like videos, and the only reason why I post them is so I can delete the video on my phone and save for storage, you know. But no, I opened it back up just because I felt like if I'm going to be a part of that, you know, if I'm going to be a part of Easton, you know I've got to learn to have the eyes, you know, on me and you know people can shoot me a DM and just kind of be more open and available for folks and you know my um, my boss, gary, really hints on. You know customer service and that's a lot. What I learned here was customer service from you guys. You know that kind of leveled the. It brought my game up, you could say to to get where I'm at at Easton.
Speaker 1:You know, if I didn't, if I weren't here, you know I I've done the personal development books and the, the motivational books, the self-help books and stuff like that, but you forget things. And then when you, if you're not, I challenge everybody to go into retail and work. Dude, it is, it's either it's. I wouldn't say it makes you or breaks you, but it definitely exposes you to how you can control yourself. You know, there were days where I wanted to like sucker punch someone in the face. You know, and I'm sure you've had the same experience.
Speaker 2:And it's, it's like that, right, Right, you uh with when it comes to retail. It's, I mean, you deal with all different types of people all walks of life, and some of them are having off days or bad days and you just happen to be the one behind the counter that day. That's, you know, going to hear about it. But you know one of the things about you, and I've known you for a long time, right from the gym scene, right, Whenever we've trained, you know, in the same gym for a long time, Um, and you've always had a gift, and that gift was be able to relate and talk to anybody.
Speaker 2:Man, you can you do, man, you can look at someone, you'll key in. We taught, we still talk about this and I talked to some of the guys here and you know, because it is, um, it's a gift and it's very valuable in the sales side of thing, the retail world, or just to get ahead in life. You know you can look at someone, you can key in on something, relate, and that opens them up, and then they want to talk to you, right, and you earn their trust.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I mean, I credit that to, uh. I got involved in a network marketing company years ago, man, when I was like 18. This guy I knew, patrick Dean, or a friend of mine, a very good friend of mine like I'm going to have this guy at my wedding. He doesn't even know it yet, but he got me, like so out of my comfort zone because I didn't know how to talk to people. I went to these trainings and stuff like that. And it sounds corny to say, oh, you went to these trainings and stuff like that, and it sounds corny to say, oh, you went to these trainings to learn how to talk to people.
Speaker 1:But I was talking with million dollar income earners trying to pick apart how they're able to earn what they're doing, and all of them are just. The one thing that I figured out is they could relate to people, they could build rapport with people real quick, and it was always about that other person, it was never about yourself. You could. You know, I can't remember the acronym, I'm sure it'll come to me later but you just want to talk about them, make them feel good, and if you can make them feel good, they'll tell you everything they want and need. If any kind of problem that people have, you start talking about them, they'll disclose everything about their life. You take a squirrel out of the woods, dude, that thing starts talking.
Speaker 2:Absolutely. It's funny because you know, sherry, my wife, she's a hairdresser and that's she, she knows, and she's like, as soon as they are comfortable, here comes and you're going to hear about all kinds of stuff you probably shouldn't hear about but that's, I mean it's important right, especially in the industry, that we because we want to, you know, customer service is priority one for here at Extreme Outfitters.
Speaker 2:I mean, I've preached that since day one and I think that's been one of our strong points. And do we always get it right? Absolutely not. You know, we're all human here. Some of our guys have off days as well, but we do our best to mitigate that and provide the best experience that we possibly can, and I've always prioritized that over anything that we've done. But that comes along with being able to talk to people and understand where they're coming from, and that I mean obviously that works, because it's moved you up the ladder, man. I mean you've. You're no longer in Jacksonville, north Carolina man, you're in salt Lake city.
Speaker 1:That's wild too, man, I didn't know if I'd people say Jacksonville's a trap. I love Jacksonville though. Oh, dude, so do I. You know, this place is, man, there's a lot of. There's so much I hate that word potential. There's so much that could be done and there's so many things that have been done here, you know, by people. I mean, look at this place, you know, I mean this place is a staple in the community. You, from all over the place, now, all over the country, like literally all over the country, you know, and I mean I, I love, I love utah, though I stay in a little town called syracuse it's like 30 minutes outside of salt lake, and, dude I, the community, there we got the nicest neighbors, bro that's awesome they are, they are the bomb.
Speaker 1:I mean that and that that area is a little bit more religious. You know, and here you got a little, you got a little bit more hard knots. You know, down down in jacksonville, this is true, but man, they're, they're just good folks, dude. I mean they do anything in the world for you and but yeah, utah's, have you ever been to utah I?
Speaker 2:have. I've actually been to salt lake city so I did so. This is years ago. I went out there for the outdoor retailer, I believe, because I was doing SHOT Show, and then, like a week or so later, they had the outdoor retailer. So I was out there for 10 days or so and it was different. I was really young when I was out there, I was like 18. And I went to try to buy, I think, like a can of dip or something. And you can't, you had to be 21. Oh man, you know. And I was like, well, this is different. What were you chewing back then? Uh, due to copenhagen, long cut, oh gosh no more.
Speaker 1:I could never dude. I had so many friends of mine playing baseball that dipped and I could never. It just looked so gross to me I was like I can't I still do it.
Speaker 2:Every once in a while I'm like, oh man, I'd love to throw in a dip, but yeah, no more Dude, I'll tell you those Zen pouches.
Speaker 1:Everybody I know is on those Zen pouches.
Speaker 2:Everybody. I don't know a thing about them, but that's everybody.
Speaker 1:I don't know what's worse, that or an energy drink. I got to put them down. Dude, just throw them both back Gosh.
Speaker 2:So so you're at Easton now, right? So what exactly is your role there? Who are you within?
Speaker 1:Easton. My corporate title is promotions manager, so I handle the event side of things like getting prepared for events, small intricate details for that kind of stuff. Uh, most people know me as the staff coordinator there though on the target side, and I do work with some of the hunting folks there though on the target side and I do work with some of the hunting folks. Um, so, events, social media, I do, you know I help out on the social media side. We've got a couple people that you know we tag team with that. Um, just, I'll even take customer service calls. You know, putting in orders for folks. Um, or I should say I've I send emails to ask for orders get put in. We've got a system at work. It it's pretty wild, it's a very intricate system and it takes a while to learn it responding to emails and stuff like that, mainly events and the pro staff side of things, taking care of those guys.
Speaker 2:So you do quite a bit of travel then too because, you coordinated everything with us. So we just got back from Total Archery Challenge in Pennsylvania. You were the one that kind of coordinated, with our company being there representing Easton. We ran the Easton booth, which was awesome. Who was? It was there with us Dylan, Dylan, Dylan was absolutely awesome. Dylan's great man. He is man you can talk to. He was he's so smart.
Speaker 1:He's too smart, dude, he's. He's so smart. He was a wealth of knowledge. He's too smart. I can't stand arguing with that fool. I didn't even try you can't.
Speaker 2:It was funny because I sat back in the booth and you know, everybody comes in and kind of has an opinion, yeah and but not everyone fully understands how things work or how they're supposed to work, and they come in with opinions, which is great, you know, it gives you information and feedback.
Speaker 2:But he is like there's a reason for the way things do and he's very good and he he was very polite with everybody and just represented the company sever and Easton very, very well and he loves his job. Man, he does a killer job and he's does a good job at dumbing it down for guys like me, you know, cause he gave us some feedback on some of our videos and stuff too, which was, you know, fantastic. Just to be able to pick somebody's mind who is who thinks like that. You know light years above how I interpret or think about things oh yeah, he was awesome and dude.
Speaker 1:That's how all those engineers are, man. If people knew like our engineers are in house. That's what. The thing that separates easton from every other aero company that I love is that we are an aero company and an arrow manufacturer. Everybody else is just an arrow company, and I probably won't go too much more in detail. There's a lot of people don't make arrows, right?
Speaker 2:I don't think everybody's quite aware of that. So Easton is based in the United States, in Salt Lake City, salt Lake City. So everything is done stateside. It is In the United States. The entire process for building arrows is done here.
Speaker 1:There are a couple shafts in our lineup that aren't made here. But I can say I'm sure we would love to figure out how to do that here. Right, you know. So it doesn't mean the quality is bad, it just they go through QC when they come through here and I mean they're built to our engineer spec. So you know, there's so many blueprints and stuff like that those guys have got their hands on. But I can, you know, the X10 lineup, the hunting lineup, majority of the target lineup, you know, made in salt lake city. Wow, yeah, it's wild to see man, it's dude. I go there and I still pinch myself it doesn't.
Speaker 2:It still doesn't seem real. I was talking to tyson. You've met tyson. I haven't met him. I think I've talked to him on the phone and via email a few times.
Speaker 1:He's uh, he feels the same way. I mean that dude's a hard charger and he goes to. Just sometimes it doesn't feel real working here yeah you see all the hands that are involved making those chef. You get a lot of I I try not to use that word pride too much, because after pride comes destruction, you know, and but I'm very proud to like, like man, I'm working for the best arrow manufacturer in the world, you know probably company and archery yeah, 100.
Speaker 2:You know what's cool about that. So, coming from me, so someone that runs a company and archery yeah, 100%. You know what's cool about that. So, coming from me, so someone that runs a company and owns a company, you're the type of people that every brand wants, someone that takes pride in what they do, loves their job, looks forward to being there. I mean, there's nothing better than having people on your team that are all about the brand and the community that you're building. I mean that's more important than anything for a brand is having guys like you within it that represent well and are, just like you said, proud to be a part of the thing.
Speaker 1:Everybody there, man like those. My boss, gary's been there 30 years and I don't think he's felt like he's worked a day in his life. You know, I mean it's. I haven't worked in the last probably six years, felt like I've gone to a job. You know I've came here. There's some days where you know you have some rough days. Of course it's anywhere you go, but I haven't worked, man, in 2019, five, six years.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's interesting. So I, um, I feel the same way, but different. You know no-transcript, because you know it was a bit rocky here and there.
Speaker 1:Man, I remember, dude, like there were some days like, man, we bought way too many, we bought way too much stuff. Oh man, and that was me.
Speaker 2:Yeah, you get it in and you're like oh boy.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's like, hmm, we better make some feet traveling here. I wonder, you know, I feel like every bow shop, you know, kind of every archery shop, kind of feels that way sometimes, especially in that dead season, like here it's May and June, man.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:After 4th of July, things pick up. That's right, and it's in the west. The west coast, though. Man shops are cranking right now. Yeah, I walked into this shop. There's a really good shop. Um, I just want to give them a shout out, because they remind me so much of extreme wild arrow yeah, we were talking about them wild arrow, badass, outdoor gear.
Speaker 1:Those are. Those are two really good shops, I mean, and they, they take pride in customer service and you know it's, it's uh, it's refreshing, you know, when you, when you walk in and I haven't been to every shop in utah or any, or, you know, or every shop in the us, for that matter but it's like, oh man, it's a good feeling. Archery is going to continue on with. You know, shops like this place, in those places, so yeah, it's important because archery is tough man it's.
Speaker 2:You know, it's hard to find good tech texts, it's hard to find people to work, just in general, um, but I think that's one of the things that's causing you know, you'll hear about these shops that become like a staple, even nationwide is the service that they provide and just the passion they have behind what they're doing. I mean just you can tell the difference. Oh yeah, the owners are involved 100%, 100%, yep.
Speaker 2:So we talked at, we hit on it a little bit already, you know, talking about what makes Easton so unique over the other aero brands. One it's based here in the United States, Um, the QC that comes out of it. But I mean, what are the other things that really set Easton apart?
Speaker 1:Being made in USA and I think on, think on, you know, a lot of our carbon arrows, majority of them especially in the hunting lineup, and you know some of them.
Speaker 1:In the target lineup we got this process. It's called acu carbon. It was started in like 1997. I want to say we call it c2 and what that process allows us to do is control four key elements to an arrow. And I didn't know this prior to coming to east. And this is kind of talking with dylan and the engineers. And we've got one. We got one dude. He's he retired from me since his name is george tech tech mitchoff. I'm sorry, george, I butcher your last name every time, but george is, um, he's kind of one of the figureheads behind the X10. And that X10, that era and I'm going to tie this all in together in a second they were working on that era in the mid-'90s. It debuted in the 1996 Olympics, the Atlanta Games, summer games, and it took every medal.
Speaker 1:You know, on the men's side. And then we as a company have taken every medal since 72, since the summer game started again, but the x10 is the most winning piece of sporting equipment in the summer games history. Wow, like there's no other piece of sporting equipment that's won more medals than an x10, and that's crazy to think about. But as far as um the difference, you know, with acu carbon, on the carbon side of aero things, we're able to control the spine around shaft. So imagine we don't have a high side, really, you know there's. You might find something like if it, let's say, a 340 axis, it might read, you know, like 338. You know that might be the weak side or whatever, but it's really not weak. It's probably more or less just your know spine index or your machine there's, there's machines that we've got that measure spine out where they're out, to tens of thousands of dollars. You know they're measuring spine and straightness consistently and what we're able to do is replicate spine around shaft really well, um. So no, no hot side, no low side.
Speaker 2:So and so I'm sorry to break your thought, but like so, when we talk about spine because we still get a lot of questions from guys what exactly is the spine of the arrow?
Speaker 1:so the spine was actually created by george check tech much off in easton, um. What they were doing is they wanted a more consistent arrow in general and that was I can't remember the day when they figured that out Spine is measured when you hang 1.98 pounds in the center of a shaft that's spanned 14 inches from end to end. So 14 inches from where the weight's hanging left and right at 28 inches essentially a span, and it gives you a deflection number. And that deflection number is in terms of inches. Well, they thought it was two pounds and they didn't calibrate. They didn't check to see if they calibrated the weight to what George was telling me. So that's why it's like 1.92 or 1.98. Some people say two pounds.
Speaker 1:I can't remember how many grams it is on the dot, but that's how spine was. How spine was, you know, kind of found and determined. I believe we've got a hundred year book at east and I gotta send you one. By the way, it's reading through. That thing's ridiculous, it's, it's crazy, it's like uh, it's it's the history of the company and the people that are involved and stuff like that. And and that's how I learned about george.
Speaker 1:You know, I think it was George and Mr Jim were the ones that you know found spine you know, and 1997 C2 process where acu-carbon came out, you know, and that allowed us to really, you know, make arrows here in the US. That process does and there's nobody that can do it like us. I don't even think there's machines out there in the world that can allow this type of process to be replicated per se. So we're able to control spine around shaft really really well. We're also able to control spine from arrow to arrow really well. So imagine you grab a 12 pack of axis arrows and they're 340s. I can assure you they're all going to be 340s or right, just either just above or just under. You know, there's certain tolerances that we allow for, and that's cause you can't always be perfect. Um, I'm not even sure what those tolerances are. They're super. They're like, yeah, 10 hundred thousands, yeah, like 10 thousands of a spine variation. It's crazy the value they give for the tolerance on it.
Speaker 1:So we've got spine around shaft, spine from arrow to arrow, weight, which is important, and then the outside diameter. So with this process we're able to control all four of those and that's what creates the perfect arrow. So if your outside diameter is off, your components aren't going to fit right. You know, your inserts, your half outs your, whatever it is. You know your gluing points, all that stuff. If they're not, if you're, your outside diameter is not perfect, your component is going to suck. The fitment is, you know um weight. Of course that's obvious. If you don't have consistent weight, you know we're talking within two or three grains. You know a dozen Um, and most people aren't going to tell the difference between 25 grains.
Speaker 2:How important is it for the majority of the public that's shooting an aerial, that it's within a grain or two?
Speaker 1:I don't think weight and straightness matter as much as spine consistency. Spine consistency, the spine value of an arrow, If it changes drastically. You buy a dozen arrows and you've got, let's say, let's say you bought some three fifties and you could have some from other companies, from audits that we didn't even do, that were done independently, like from magazines and stuff. I've seen them from like a 330 to a 380 in a box of 350s. That's 50,000 difference.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:There's no way you're going to make that fly correctly. 500. Yeah, I get my decimals jacked up ever since.
Speaker 2:I worked in there.
Speaker 1:I'm not a math guy man, dude, I used to be jacked up. Ever since I'm not a math guy man, oh, dude, I used to be. Just school wasn't for me, you know. But uh yeah, the spine values they when they arrange that drastically. That's why people will cull arrows out or they'll only shoot their best. Six beautiful thing about a dozen arrows from us. Man, I ain't got to do that. I know they're going to be on the mark right like I. I know I cannot shoot what's in that box from easton, like no way.
Speaker 1:But controlling those four elements are key. Now there are other ways that we make arrows and there's other ways that other companies make arrows and they're very similar methods. But you're only able to control like three of those four elements, or two or three elements, I should say. So. Imagine you got a bar stool and on that stool one leg is spine, consistency around the shaft, one is spine from arrow to arrow, and weight and OD could be the other leg. You can only control two of those three. When you do the wrap and roll way per se. And what the reason why is is you can't control how that carbon is precursored and stuff like that. So you might, some companies will hit spine and they'll hit outside diameter, keep their components fit, but they'll lose weight, you know, and they'll lose spine around shaft consistency because they've got to grind that carbon, you know, to hit the metrics they need to.
Speaker 1:Ah, okay, yep, and you know some of our AC product is wrap and roll. The big difference is is we're making it in-house, we're, you know, c-coding. These shafts and C-codes are just a value of weight. So you have C1 through 5. Sometimes you'll see a C6 come up every now and then, c1 being the lightest, c come up every now and then, c1 being the lightest, c6 being the heaviest. Um, but we're able to control spying those arrows in that dozen, not only around the shaft. Better, with the process, the x10 and the ac process that we use, we're able to control spine around shaft, spine from arrow to arrow, the od we're able to also control to a very, you know, high degree and the weight codes are what save us on controlling the weight.
Speaker 1:So that's where the C code's coming to play.
Speaker 2:Gotcha Okay. So the consistency is just there. It's just there. There's no tighter tolerances.
Speaker 1:Yeah, the tightest tolerance arrow on the X10, per se. The audit, this gentleman. I encourage everybody to look at it if you can find it. It's Western Hunter, an article written by a guy named James Yates. I consider James a good friend now after getting to know him for a while. This dude's a chemical engineer. He's smart. He's so smart it's hard to have a conversation with him from time to time. Not hard to have a conversation, but it's hard to keep up with him.
Speaker 1:And he performed this audit and the best bang for your dollar arrow that he found in our lineup is an Axis 5 mil match grade, an Axis 5 mil match grade, an Axis 5 mil match grade. It was. He did the whole Sigma 6 stuff on this thing, doing the data analytics and doing the audit. And it was an industry-wide audit and he performed these. He got shafts from different retailers around the area and he got his results and came to us and said I want to double check these because these are wild, like the results we're finding. And he did this back when we had the pro comp last year and the pro comp had the best spine, consistency and straightness as far as from dozen to dozen or from arrow to arrow in a box, um, but the best bang for your dollar cost analysis wise was the five mil axis match grade so the axis five mil match grade has been a kind of a staple in the industry flagship dude it is.
Speaker 2:It's killed more deer than it's the 30, 30 in the arrow world, and one of the things that I, you know, I can attest for, or you know, I, I tell everybody is it's probably the most. And one of the things that I, you know, I can attest for, or you know, I, I tell everybody is it's probably the most durable shaft out of any of the arrows that I've shot Just a, an absolute, just bulletproof man, I mean consistent.
Speaker 2:They fly really good, Um, and they just hold up extremely well and that's just running, just the hit.
Speaker 1:Insert the hit is so strong, man, if people knew how you know to give a little people an insight. That hit insert when it's jammed inside that shaft you're just reinforcing the front end of it even better. It's going in there an inch and a half an inch deep. You know that first. That's the first thing that goes through an animal. You know that's the first thing that's touching anything. You know hanging out an animal you know that's the first thing is touching anything. You know hanging out half ounce aren't bad or anything like that. Hit is just so strong.
Speaker 2:Yes, it's tough. You can, I mean you can tell, I mean we've, I don't, I've been shooting, I've gone. So I've gone back and forth between four mil, five mil. I've recently shot some of the sonic 6.0s I love that yeah, incredible shaft for the.
Speaker 2:I built some specifically for tack, but I find myself always kind of coming back to the axis five mil with my bows. Just, I've just had really, really good luck and I don't do any crazy builds with them. You know, I mean, like right now I got I'm I'm hunting again this year with a PSE mock 30. Nice, I've got um the axis five mil set up with a standard hit insert with a hundred grade match grade, um hundred grade match grade field point and sexy point, ain't it it?
Speaker 2:is man it's clean looking dude. I mean it sets the arrow off it.
Speaker 1:Does man it it's.
Speaker 2:They were smart when they came out with that yeah, and and the the new thing to them that easton has done, that is really kind of neat. It makes honestly for me because I shoot an a max stealth in a three fletch?
Speaker 2:yep, right, and I I'll be honest, I don't spend a lot of time building my hair like fletching. I just one, I don't have the time, uh. And two, I just, you know we do so much work for other people, we've got so many other things like my stuff is like last on the priority list, so I'm kind of like pull off the shelf and go right, um, and you guys started the whole match grade system for the um axis 4 mil, 5 mil and the sonic 6.0 yep and that has been incredible one.
Speaker 2:You've changed your components, you've upgraded components for the 4 mil stuff, you've got this new collar system for the 5 mils and they come pre-fletched with the ae hybrid 26 on the back of them in a two-degree right helical.
Speaker 1:I don't know what the degree is. I don't know if we say what the degree is exactly?
Speaker 2:I couldn't find any information.
Speaker 1:But yeah, we got these automated fletching machines. We do a lot of our fletching in Indiana. There's two or three machines in Salt Lake City, but man, they're so precise I can't remember how much they are. They're like thousands of dollars, I believe. But it's crazy man. They're like metal and they're. They're rugged and they get it done so quick yeah, I mean super clean, I mean very consistent.
Speaker 2:we go through and we look at the um. You know that we buy them in big boxes of like 72 packs um and I mean very consistent. When you look at them, I mean the quality is there, they're very clean looking. But what inspired the change for the match grade system? Because you guys have always done like a match grade, non-match grade, but now your match grade you've stepped it up even further from just having that, you know, 001 or whatever it is, to it's a system.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I remember when I got to Easton last year I remember my first day my boss, gary took me to lunch with Clint. We went to this place called Crown Burger Really good burger place. You ever been to Salt Lake City again? Crown Burger is the joint. It's like a pastrami burger. You get bacon on it. It's super unhealthy. Don't recommend it if you're going to have a heart attack.
Speaker 1:But we were talking about, you know they were kind of asking me some questions on what errors moved really well where I was at and why I thought they moved. And I think the big one was like half outs. I think you know we got some competitors. That makes really good half outs in the four mil side of things and and I kind of I remember hinting at him like man, I'd like to see a different vein and other than a blazer on the back and blazers a great vein. It's just, sometimes you need a different look. You know you need something to stand out and, um, I'm sure they had that idea in mind way before I got there. It's just.
Speaker 1:I remember just talking about it and the uh, I got a funny story I have to tell you later off camera about, about the veins. It's funny, it's so hilarious. But uh, I remember bringing that up and you know, and tyson, in his office with clint and gary, and I just kind of walked by one day and you know, just kind of standing at the door listening eavesdropping per usual of me and um, they had talked about we're gonna upgrade the veins. On this thing I was like we should do like a dealer survey and see what veins you know, are gonna, you know, do well like what veins a shop want to see and it was overwhelming.
Speaker 1:The hybrid, like I think I called like 10 shops, I think it was a. There was like 100 shops we called all together it was like 10 of us and overwhelmingly shops wanted to see. You know, the most popular vein in their store was an AE hybrid 26 and the one color thing just made sense because most people are only shooting one color anyway. You know, right, helical, a lot of the shops, there was a little bit more of like some people wanted to see left a little bit. Some people were like straight, but I think overall, looking at the notes at the end of the day, right, helical is what everyone wanted to go. It keeps some broad heads from, you know, loosening and stuff like that.
Speaker 1:But I think, overall, match grade we just wanted to enhance that term everything. A lot of companies, you know they have their point zero, zero, one shaft. Some of them will call them different names other than match grade. You know, just kind of hitting around that elusiveness of it. I just wanted, we just wanted to stand out, I think you, and especially at a retail presence.
Speaker 1:I was looking at the boxes you know, yesterday in here and I was like dude, it's so easy to tell what arrows are ours. You know, just looking at the top, looking at the, the knock in, you know it's when you see the hy'll hint on the, the four mil, real quick.
Speaker 2:So you guys originally had a 50 grain aluminum outsert system that came with on on all of them, right from your non-match rate to your match grade stuff. Now, the match grade system for the four mil, you guys have actually stepped it up so you have, like it's, four different component options that you can buy, I believe. So you've gone to now a 55 grain, a 75, 75, 75, um, and then a hundred and then a one 50,. I think so. And the cool thing about these components that I mean there's a lot of people out there making those components right. But when you get these components in and you actually look at them and you put them in the shaft, the tolerances are unbelievable, to the point right. Normally you can slide an insert in. It kind of falls back out or slides out, it's well, that's where the acu carbon process comes in.
Speaker 1:Remember how I talked about where to control that outside diameter? That's simply that's. That's why we're able to get our tolerances so tight on those half outs. And you see the little orange o that self-centered alignment ring we've got. And that that just helps with everything.
Speaker 2:It does I mean cause when you put them in there, I mean they're not coming out.
Speaker 1:They sell themselves, man, when people really like, hey, you know, when you chant for the shaft, clean it out, well, and you slide that, yeah, yep, but no, the engineering man, they're busted their butt on that. I remember, I remember the first iteration I saw of that and I was like whoa, this is gonna be wild. And then we started looking at the materials that we were using and I've got some formulas. Right now I'm running a hundred grain, the titanium, stainless steel option. They're so robust.
Speaker 1:I mean what they, what engineering figured out on that half out, half outs have a hot spot and that hot spot is where the shank of the half out meets the arrow. That's the hot spot on it and that's where things bend. That's where wobbles are created, that's where blowouts can happen. We mitigated that.
Speaker 1:Imagine if you dissected that half out into two pieces, like imagine on our 5mm you have that match grade collar. Imagine that collar going over that arrow and then you sliding in that the insert, and of course there's going to be a the outs, the half out, hanging off of it. You know, for the thread pattern and stuff to fit where the arrow. But what we did with that collar is we necked it to that post and it made it to where it mitigates wobble, it mitigates blowouts and it's so strong they do. They do all kinds of simulations and stuff like that, testing the rigidity and strength of it, and I don't think we can, I don't think we can get those, I don't think we can give those numbers out, but they're. It's stupid dude. It's crazy how strong they are.
Speaker 2:I mean easton. I mean I mean when you look at the, the company and the brand as a whole, and then the products that you guys are putting out. It's just crazy Because we have a huge response here for Easton, right? So Easton is probably our number one requested arrow, with that being the AXS 5 mil for us here, but we do sell a lot of 4 mil and Sonics.
Speaker 2:But any time we do any build or we do any testing on them, I mean it's just, I mean unbelievable how consistent and reliable everything is. You know, from package after package, you know arrow after arrow, I mean, we've just had nothing but really, really great luck with them. And then the durability side that comes along with them has been great oh yeah and then, you know, obviously dealing with the brand as a whole. I I mean, you guys are super great when it comes to supporting your dealers.
Speaker 1:That's a, that's a hat to Gary and Tyson, you know, and Aaron getting there. I didn't realize how much Easton cared about their dealers until I got there and they, they don't mess around man. There's retail packages that come out every year for dealers and stuff like that. They take care of new dealers and stuff very well. The customer service team is second to none, like Tiffany and Heather that work customer service and Kimberly dude. They're studs Like. They deal with some of the craziest calls and stuff that I'm just like kind of like my eyebrow raising like what. And they handle it so well and they do it day in and day out. I mean they, they're the best customer service. I mean they're on it.
Speaker 2:They're sharp. So I think one of the things that is important to talk about with Easton that people don't realize is the, the engineering. I mean, it's very complicated, right, when you look at arrows and stuff and you're like it's an arrow just looking at it. They I mean they all look at arrows, but I think one of the things that is overlooked and even with a lot, of, a lot of brands, and not I'm not just talking arrows, but the bow side of things is the technology that comes along with it, that if you don't understand it, it doesn't matter to you. Correct, right, you don't, you don't get, and that's.
Speaker 2:I think that's what's important about this conversation is sitting down and, you know, letting people know what goes into the design process and the engineering side for what you guys are creating, cause you guys are not creating inferior products just to meet the demand of what someone is asking for, because it doesn't always it's. People think they want something, but they don't actually understand what goes into it. Right, we talked about this the other day or yesterday actually and you guys, everything that is done is so well thought out and there's a purpose behind it, which is what makes it such a superior product. You know it's not just throwing stuff out there hoping it sticks. Yeah, like, everything you guys come out with has been very methodical and very they're so detail oriented man I thought I mean.
Speaker 2:Dylan, you know that was one of the things that really was eyeopening for me is the the way he thinks about things and how in depth he thinks about them and all the different scenarios that he considers with a product that is coming to light oh yeah, dylan, man, he's um, there's a couple of engineers dylan, josh, um zach's one of our engineer techs, and then we got lyle, who lyle does a little bit different side on the product.
Speaker 1:He's more on like the technical side of things like the, the website stuff and um part numbers and skew numbers and stuff like that. But and clint, you know, uh, he's our vp of product and quality. Those guys, man, they're thinking they're thinking years ahead, like they're, like we're, they're thinking a product two years out, three years out, you know, but they're the devil's in the details, dude, even on the marketing side, man like gary, holy, holy, moly, he's made me paranoid, like I've got paranoid to the point where I'm like we're thinking about the nuances of oh, are the knot colors going to be the same for the spine? What bang configuration are we going to choose for this arrow? You know what is the label? How is the label going to look? How does this tone look? Is it going to change if it sits in the light too long? Like those kinds of like wow, very deep, dude, it's unreal.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's crazy Unreal man.
Speaker 1:And then on the event side of things, oh man, he's really made me paranoid.
Speaker 2:That's good, though. Keep you on your toes, oh man.
Speaker 1:He does, he's.
Speaker 2:Yeah, Gary is uh, Gary's a legend bro, like I didn't realize who gary cornum was before I got there. Well, you guys also do some cool stuff which, as a brand, I think is important is bringing awareness to that side of things with your guys's uh, social media stuff that you do. Yeah, so you guys put out some really great informational videos. They're not I mean, they're straight to the point. They they dive into the weeds. They're not all you know. Bells and what it's like gives you the meat and potatoes. What's important with what you guys are doing and why you guys do it. So I like watching the stuff you guys put out on your social media stuff because it's it's so informative A lot of a lot of that's Jeff and George.
Speaker 1:Jeff's our international sales manager and he came. He's been in the industry for a while. He came over from the outdoor group and worked at stand releases and stuff like that. Jeff's been in the industry for a while. George, of course, has been in the industry for a while as well. They headed that new technical series that we got, the Easton Technical Bulletin Series. A lot of it was for international, it was for our dealers and distributors overseas and it's hitting home domestically as well, which is good. But we just wanted to shoot people straight. What makes us us.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's good to see behind-the-scenes stuff and the thought that goes into it because, like I said, hitting back on it is people don't know what people don't know.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's good to see behind the scenes stuff and the thought that goes into it Because, like I said, hitting back on it is people don't know what people don't know. And whenever they look at it and like I mean, if you're not directly involved in archery, like we are, like we live it every single day, right, so we're up to speed on everything, and you know we don't think twice about it. But somebody new coming into it or someone that just you know they enjoy it for the season, they put their bow back down and they go to buy new arrows, you know, and they don't realize how important it is to you know spine consistency, weight consistency, you know all of these different things. I mean they'll just. I mean we get all the times I just buy arrows from Walmart and you know we run them and you know sometimes they work and then most of the times they don't, or they wonder why it won't tune, or shoot well out of the bow.
Speaker 2:Yep, you know, and putting this information out there for people to really undersee, I think, piques their interest and makes them look a little further into their brands.
Speaker 1:That they're it does. I think we're getting into that information state absolutely. We went from the lifestyle, the content creation and all that stuff's good. I love it, you know, but I crave information. I want to know why people shoot. What makes you choose that product? Why do you shoot it? What's so technical about it? Because I don't want. I don't want a bunch of junk in my quiver. I think people work too hard for their monies nowadays.
Speaker 1:Absolutely, you know, work, work too hard for their monies their monies work too hard for their money nowadays, you know, um, but yeah, and it's like do you? Why do you want to spend your hard earned money on something that's you know?
Speaker 2:inferior, inferior, yeah, absolutely I mean. And two, because it's, it's one of those things, right. So if you spend a lot of time shooting your bow and you've got to replace arrows a lot, that gets expensive, even if you're buying cheap ones, man. But if you invest in quality, you know when you take care of your equipment. You know when you take care of your equipment, you know the Easton product has gone to last. Man. I mean, maybe you shoot into a brick wall or a fence post or a lawnmower.
Speaker 1:We recommend foam targets. Yeah, If you want them to last, shoot them into foam. If you shoot them into an animal, just that's a. They're disposable. At that point it's got. I don't know, I've never, I've never used an arrow. I've shot to an animal.
Speaker 2:So well, dude, we get got. Had a guy in here the other day. He's got axis five mils he brought in. He want us to fletch up for him and he's like man, I shot five animals last year with this one eastern axis is it the marine that went on like a killing spree in like north carolina and south carolina?
Speaker 1:is that that same guy?
Speaker 2:yeah, he was I don't I've never, grim reaper broadhead.
Speaker 1:I'll be honest, I don't, I don't remember I do. Before I left this cat, this was yeah right, this was the season before I left.
Speaker 2:No, no, no.
Speaker 1:Okay, this dude went on a murder spree. He went to town with an Easton access arrow. Well, there's been a lot of those. Yeah, I mean.
Speaker 2:I told him I was like, yeah, right, but I mean, a lot of guys want to get as much as they can out and not everyone sees it as you know. It's one and done. You know there's a lot of guys that'll hold on to them. Keep shooting them, oh yeah. But yeah, I firmly believe you can do that with an axis five mil all day they're tough man, you know, and we get that, we get that feedback a lot.
Speaker 1:What's the white stuff in it that people think it's fiberglass?
Speaker 2:that's my next question.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's a ballistic fiber and what we use is it lets us hit the weight and it just it just re Dylan will probably correct me in the more technical term after this and it just makes that arrow strong and stout. You know, um, it's the same ballistic fiber that's used in some Kevlar's and Humvees and it's wild to see that that process. I'm sure you can go online and find it. You know uh east and acucarbon process and you can go online and find it. You know uh Easton acucarbon process and you'll see how, you know it's wound in there and that's just simply to help reinforce it or it gives it the weight that we want it to hit and it just gives it rigidity. It's tough.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's a wild process. I went. I went and kind of dove down a rabbit hole and looked at a bunch of stuff and and you guys got some great information on your website to some articles that have been written and then some podcasts that you, you guys have done. That really breaks things down and it's still a very technical process, but it's very. It makes you feel good about what you're buying, knowing the amount of effort that's gone into it. It's not something that's just built overseas, Comes back over.
Speaker 1:Dude, for years we I found this out a couple months ago we didn't let anyone in that the acucarbon process room. We don't want people to lock down. Yeah, I mean, it was locked down. You weren't getting in there if you weren't a part of coming. No way, and I I might be telling the story wrong, but I believe greg said give him the give the thumbs up to show it. He said because people didn't think we really built arrows here and then whenever we disclosed that room, dude, it was like light bulbs went off for people. People understood, you know. So there's some rooms we don't show to a lot of people, the x10 rooms kind of. It's locked up like fort knox when if we take people through there like you've got to be, you got to be a very vip, you know professional shooter or or someone greg knows, or someone you know you might be, or or or someone Greg knows, or someone you know you might be in the circle of trust per se, but when you walk in there, everybody stops working. Oh really.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:I've walked in there a couple of times. People stop wearing it Just like eyeballs on you. What are you doing in here? Yeah, it's very uh, very secretive in that room. It's pretty cool. It's wild man.
Speaker 2:I mean the. The technology is is unbelievable man. I mean the technology is unbelievable man, I mean the amount that you guys put into it. So new this year was the match rate system. We've hit on that. Is there anything new that you guys have going on that we haven't touched on?
Speaker 1:We've got some new stuff coming out here in the next couple months. People are going to look forward to yeah, people are going to be excited about that's. I can't say anymore just because look forward to something this year. I'm telling you yeah, yes, sir, yeah, we're excited. I was pumped about match grade. I'm over the moon for what's going to come.
Speaker 2:Really Yep. Well, that's exciting.
Speaker 1:It's gonna. We're going to have a really good year.
Speaker 2:That's awesome.
Speaker 1:Really good. Shops are going to have a good year. Shops are going to have a good year. That's what I'm excited about. If we're going to want our brand more Good.
Speaker 2:So are you guys still doing so? You know, this was one of the things you guys have. How many different straightnesses do you guys have in?
Speaker 1:I don't know I can't remember if we've got rid of the sport lineup. The sport was that 0.006 or better, yep, the standards 0.003 or better, and the match grade 0.001 or better, and that you know even this. And I don't want to discourage anybody from buying a standard shaft either, cause, dude, some of those shafts just miss 0.001 and straightness. The difference with match grade is it's checked in five places on that shaft. Some companies aren't going to tell you, but they only check a certain span of an arrow. I don't know anybody that's checking a full span of an arrow.
Speaker 2:It's impossible. When you say they're checking five places on a shaft, what does that mean?
Speaker 1:The five most critical places of straightness on a shaft are the ends for end wobble, the quarterly sections and the center. So checking those five spans on, checking those five places on that arrow are the most critical places where straightness is most viable. Is that what you guys are checking? There is straightness For match match when arrows every, every arrow goes through that process and if it doesn't hit that, we our goal is to make every arrow a match grade shaft and sometimes it just sometimes it might have some 3000 shafts that get in there.
Speaker 1:Very little Do we ever have anything below a standard and if it is below a standard, most of the time it's getting thrown away, depending on how bad it is. It's not even how bad it is. I could give you some 6,000 shafts for some people, or give some people some 6,000 shafts and match grades and they'd never tell the difference. They could be all five greens, but when you get those match grade shafts and match grades and they'd never tell the difference, yeah, they could be all five greens, but when you get those match grade shafts, the the tolerances are the tightest I have ever seen in the industry. I've measured some formula axis shafts I got for me the other day and the only reason why I got them, I think, is the. The logos were bad on them, like the, the, the match grade, the banner on the thing.
Speaker 1:One of the guys, um, that works over in the, the we call it the dsl areas where things are shipped, where we store our shafts, when we get made to ship them and they get through an extra qc process over there, justin's like dude, I got a deal for you. Man. I asked him. I was like dude, we got any like scrap, you know product I can use for for an event, because I got a good deal for you. He goes these are all Banner, these are all. And that just goes to show you the. We check the labeling on the shaft. If there's anything janky on it we don't even sell it and you know we use it for like an employee sale or something like that, you guys are getting them.
Speaker 1:Yeah, we're getting them dude and they're less than a tenth grain difference. And I'm like man, this is bananas. And I was like I ain't even got to check straightness on these. There's no need. I know they're match grades, but checking straightness in those five critical locations ensures that arrow is straight across the board.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it doesn't get any better than that, and I think standard is checked in three places.
Speaker 1:After it goes from that that five point initial inspection, I believe it goes to a three points, a three point check.
Speaker 2:So when it comes to with Easton, because there's technically no, I don't want to say there's no spine, but there's no stiff point in that spine, there's no seam in there, there's no seam Right. So when it comes to, you know we get guys asking can you, can um, index these arrows or spine index these arrows, find the stiffest point of this arrow? Is that something easton still recommends doing or is it? There's no need to.
Speaker 1:On the acucarbon and some of the machines like the spine indexer that we have at work. The materials are different, like the way it's set up is different. Instead of a flat piece you truly need like a ball bearing check in that spine. A flat piece can pick up anything. That ball bearing. It's got very minimal surface area on that arrow detecting anything. And also on some of the products and these are good products that are available to the consumer, like the Ram spine indexer, the Ram spine tester and stuff like that.
Speaker 1:When you're spinning that, if it's a standard shaft, you're also picking up straightness when you're measuring spine. So you see what I'm saying. It's a, it's a say. If it's a 0.003 straightness shaft, you're going to add that to the spine value from the straightness itself. You're not always going to be able to hit it critically. You know the best way to do it, instead of consistently rolling it, I think, is putting the weight on there. You know, looking, seeing, seeing the spine value, turn the arrow, a quarter turn, measure again. You know, but you won't.
Speaker 1:There's no need to knock tunings a little bit differently and some people like, oh, I'll turn an arrow and I'll get a different tear through paper. There's so many factors that go through that you could your knock that could be bad on your serving. You're not fit. You know you turning that knock might have. You know there's grooves on that knock. You might have flattened your serving. Your knock fit, you know you turning that knock might have. You know there's grooves on that knock. You might have flattened one and it might've made that, you know, shaft react a touch differently out of that bow. You know there's so many things but I can't tell you how many times, zach, I've been in that tuning room back there and turned Axis Heroes trying to think I can do some voodoo and black magic to it and I couldn't get a difference.
Speaker 1:I couldn't tell a difference in them yeah, you know and I mean I think that's got a lot of factors to do and I've got a short draw length. I ain't got a lot of influence going on in a bow or an arrow, you know, but there's. I don't think there's a need to spine, index our arrows just with that acu carbon process. When you see it done, you, there's no way, there's got. There's no seam, there's no seam at all. Right, you can't have a stiff side if there's no seam people swear by it, though, man it's some, it's people getting down in the degree and I like that.
Speaker 1:People are into that tuning stuff. Man, it's good, you know. It shows that people are involved and they're probably going to stick around and shoot a bow and arrow for a while. But I can ensure you, if you put veins on that arrow and you go to shoot it, it's going to shoot the paper just fine. If you group tune instead, it's going to group just fine. We could take I'll see if I can get Dylan to do a video and just put it up online and just take a random shafts that are fresh out of the batch and put them on an indexer and measure them. The Western Hunter article I did with James Yates. It was like the august issue or the september issue, whatever it is. Go through that article, dude. Where can you find it at? I will see. I've got a digital link saved on my phone. I'm sure you can find it online. I'm sure you can, james yates.
Speaker 2:arrow audit arrow audit yep, james yates. Arrow audit guys audit Yep, james Yates arrow audit guys.
Speaker 1:Yep, james, he's a killer dude, he's a hunter, he's a hard dude man, is it?
Speaker 2:bro, that's my favorite. He's a bad.
Speaker 1:He's a bad cat, like he's he's. He put up a Instagram video, this fool. And where we're at is 5,000 feet in elevation. James is Elevation gain. He lives in this little place like the Cottonwoods you got Little Cottonwood, big Cottonwood and all this other stuff and he's out there like 4 in the morning with a 50, 60-pound ruck on doing 5 or 6 miles. I'm just like bro and he's. Last year he got in a pickle with some weather that came up on him real quick. And James is a gear. He's a gear junkie, you know, and the gear he had it saved his life, I believe, and he, I think he thinks the same thing too. He had some good, good hunting clothing on. He had everything he needed in his pack, but that just he's a hunter like. He's just a mountain man dude. He's a I look up to James like any any kind of western hunting. Some people, some people. He's not everybody's cup of tea, from what I've heard, you know, just because he's so.
Speaker 1:He's so raw and real right you know, he's just a bad dude. Some people envy that yeah, they are.
Speaker 2:So there's a lot of jealousy that comes along with that too. You know, those are my, those are the individuals that are are in particularly my favorite, you know, oh yeah, there's a lot of guys, you see, that get a lot of hate, that have built a life that they love to live, man and and they do exactly what they want and which I think is everyone's ultimate goal.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I look up to James man. He's a family man. He's got a couple of kids and wife, you know, and he's very involved with their lives and the dude is always doing something. Bro, I don't know how he's, I don't think he sleeps. I mean, there's no way. Chemical engineer, writer and editor for magazine company test product for, like Hoyt SpotHog and all these other companies. I have to check him out, man. He's a, he's a solid dude.
Speaker 2:Yeah, those are my favorite guys to follow man, very inspiring Guys that just constantly get after it and seek to improve and do more and do better.
Speaker 1:Not only for themselves. I'll tell you that's so hard to you, man.
Speaker 2:That fool, Cameron Haynes Buddy. So this is my thing, Cam Haynes. I do not understand the amount of hate that comes along with that guy, Because when you look at him just from the outside at least for me I look at somebody who has built a life like I just said, doing exactly what they want. That dude lives life on his terms. He hunts, he's in incredible shape, Can go out and just hammer like literally from the running side the lifting side, his son's the same way.
Speaker 2:Yeah, physically fit, just studs of individuals that live life the way that they want to, on their terms, and are doing exactly what they want to do.
Speaker 1:It's incredible Yep Dude I, I got the pleasure to hang out with cam last year for a little bit over the weekend. I'm adding an event he had and I didn't know what to think of Cam. You know, prior to meeting him you hear it's a facade, you know. And then you see the things he's done and it's like, hmm, it's not a facade, he's really doing this thing and some people claim that you know he's hunting on this private land and that's why he's killing these big elk. Bro, that guy, like he worked he literally worked a public job for retired out of it, I believe you know, while he had these contracts with these companies doing it, you know, and the fool really was running a marathon a day, and probably still is, I believe you know. But and he's strong too, man, like he's, he's, he might have an inch or two on me in height, but he's an ox. I don't know how old he is. He's in his 50s, I believe. Nuh-uh, yeah, he's mid-50s.
Speaker 2:Cameron Haynes is in his 50s. Yeah, there's no way. Yes, sir.
Speaker 1:Yep, really yes, sir. To me, yep, really yes, sir, I will he, he and in my he to me looks tired a little bit sometimes when I was over the weekend and I'm sure he was tired, but he's uh, I kind of look at Kim he's. He's probably a little bit more introverted than most people might think. He's 56.
Speaker 2:Joey just checked it. Oh my God.
Speaker 1:That dude is an absolute animal. I look up to him, bro. I don't care what anyone said. He's a. I don't either man.
Speaker 2:That is incredible. He's 56 years old and does more than most young 90 pound bow yeah and I, I don't know. I still don't understand why people hate that, because that dude can handle it all day and all day, you know, and shoots every day, shoots every day, every day. I don't. That's inspiring to me, man, I'd love to be 56 years old and still train like he does.
Speaker 1:Yeah, man, you know who?
Speaker 2:that reminds me or who emulates him, bill montford, god almighty son dude.
Speaker 1:He's 70. I wish I could put those two together in a room he's. He's built up bad build is the baddest. Baddest guy over 50 I know, dude he's over 56 yeah, and the dude's still running five, six now I talked to him.
Speaker 2:Five or six miles a day probably. Yes, I talked to him.
Speaker 1:The other day pulling 70 pounds on a turbo, like he'd pull 80 if he, if he wanted to, hunts all the time now and don't even just he'll walk in, just a hard bro, he, he walks in though you do not.
Speaker 2:You would never expect it, because he's a he's a little, he's probably five, five old guy that comes in, very, very polite, just incredible individual right, you talk to him very kind, never talks anything up, but when you dive deeper than that service level and talk about how he lived, dude up and after it every day 70 something years old death bed.
Speaker 1:He can firmly say he gave it everything, everything. And there's not a lot of people there's, I don't know many people in the world that can say that.
Speaker 1:I don't either, man, I know I can't right now, I mean either man but bill man, I'd love to connect those two yeah because bill bill's a big cam haynes he's a fan man he's and I think that's probably got a lot to the reason a lot to do with the reason why he lives the way he lives, you know, and he's just a gosh, he's a tank, he is. It's incredible. You shake his hand.
Speaker 2:Yeah, oh yeah, Break your hand. He's an animal man he's a firm, yeah, firm dude, Absolute animal. Yeah, I love talking to him when he comes to the show. Oh right, so the amount of people that you've been introduced to, that I've been introduced to, um, it's really isn't a great community, right? There's a ton of just good dudes out there. And you know another one that I was really surprised about who. I understand his ex. I have a better understanding of why he's so successful as John Dudley.
Speaker 1:John is man. I like John. He's very that fool don't sleep either, he doesn't.
Speaker 2:And you know, one thing is everybody that I hear, all this negative attention around these individuals One I don't think people have personally met them and would not talk about them or talk to them the way they do. Right, everyone has the ability to talk about things online that they don't know about. But when you actually meet these people so, like John, we were at tack, john came up to us, yeah, came up to us. We're nobody Right, we're extreme outfitters from Jacksonville, north Carolina, we're here representing Easton, whatever, but we're, we're nobodies. Came up and talk to us Like he knew us yeah, no idea who we are. Um, very down to earth. But the thing that I observed about him whenever we were out there and I, you know, I kept an eye on, kind of just watching to see how he interacts he interacted with people all weekend long. He's not somebody understand. He understands it, man, he does. He talks to all of the people, he is kind to everybody and he clearly has a passion for what he does.
Speaker 1:That still burns oh yeah, that dude man. He shoots every day.
Speaker 2:Dude every day yeah, he's a great shooter what, whatever? That's cool, but his personality I thought that came along with the, with all of his years of experience that he's willing to openly talk to you about, and I think that's the thing you know is he, he did something a little bit differently.
Speaker 1:You know, or maybe you're starting to see a lot of these professional archers, you know, give a little bit more education and stuff like that.
Speaker 2:I think he kind of started that I think man.
Speaker 1:That's the first person that I know that's done it.
Speaker 2:Whenever we started this thing, he was the driving factor.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah, dude, I learned so much from his stuff from tuning and the bow builds and everything like that To naming bows, dude. Yeah, I mean just you looked forward to seeing whatever he was going to come out with next and I don't think anybody grasped. I don't even think he grasped. How much traction that was going to catch on.
Speaker 2:Right.
Speaker 2:You know, and it's funny I was watching one of his videos the other night, cause I go through and I post our stuff and I look at you know who's currently industry, and this video was from 2015. And because I was writing a post about tying a knock set right, you know kind of questioning who ties them, who doesn't tie them. Is it important to you? Um, you know kind of questioning who ties them, who doesn't tie them. Is it important to you? Um, you know knock pinch and these little things, because that's what our social media I've kind of focused around the evergreen stuff's always good, well and and posting stuff that is more than just a picture saying get after it. You know, it's more involvement. We're looking for engagement, we're looking to educate and get educated. Yep, so that's kind of the direction I've taken all of our social, from our instagram, our Facebook and especially our YouTube stuff. I think that people want to see that stuff.
Speaker 2:I think so too, man, and we get really good feedback from it, you know. But one of the things getting back to the, the, the, the archery community, is a one thing I've noticed with archery. Is archery community kind of eats its own? Oh, 100% we're all guilty of?
Speaker 1:it.
Speaker 2:We are right, with no real reason for it, right? We hate on people for reasons we don't even know why. Maybe it's envy, it's jealousy. You know they're doing what you want to do, but instead of looking at it and being inspired by what they're doing and just putting your head down and going to do you know, do the work. You know there's a lot of jealousy and anger. We get a lot of it on our social media stuff too. Man, we get hammered I get hammered quite a bit for it and it's just funny, or just.
Speaker 2:I don't even know man. All kinds of craziness. It's fun though, um, but I think the archery community, more so as a whole, is just a great community and industry.
Speaker 1:There are way more good apples and there absolutely are, but they don't always shine right.
Speaker 2:It's always, you know, the squeaky wheel gets the grease, yeah right. Kind of the same thing with the negativity, but like from the local stuff that we do here the the community, the involvement has been unbelievable. You know the amount of support that we get as a local shop, you're doing it right, bro.
Speaker 1:you're doing these leagues, you're doing the 3D stuff. You know you're keeping people around the campfire and I think you know I'd love to get shops on and I'm sure I'll have you on and a bunch of other shops on our. We've got this thing called ProCask going on.
Speaker 2:Yeah, we were just talking about it.
Speaker 1:And I just want to. You know, not everybody's a competitor, right? You know, not everybody's a competitor, right. You're not going to be competitive with the Bo-Rack, the Bo-Rack's not going to be competitive with Archery Country, not going to be competitive with Spokane Valley and stuff like that. These big shops, if enough of these shop owners like yourself and these other shops I just mentioned and there's many more there's so many great dealers out there. They came together and gave little insights on, you know, these other new and up-and-coming shops. You know that it might have just started, you know, a couple hours away or whatnot. It's just going to grow the industry absolutely. I mean the archery industry could be massive. I mean it's it's a good size industry, but it could be huge it could man.
Speaker 2:I mean, there was a lot of people that really got behind it in the last few years, I mean you see it coming from, doug was the best thing to happen to the archery industry, joe Rogan, um, jocko Willings, all of these guys that have really um put it on the map. So yeah, more so than than it was awareness to it yeah absolutely. It's been. It's important for, and I think it's a great community, uh, and it's a great industry to be a part of man. I'm stoked that we're involved with it.
Speaker 1:It's man, it's so cool, like and it's. It's the thing with archery is you don't have to be a genetic specimen, right, lord knows. Look at our target archers. Some of them are super in shape, some of them are not.
Speaker 2:Oh, dude, I'm on the side, that's not in shape. So me talking about it? No, hey, we were just poking fun. But it's like you get there and you're like I've never been surrounded by so many athletes. You know not what you consider athletes looking at them, but their ability to shoot a bow is, you know, incredible. But it's just, it's funny you mentioned that, dude.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's all it takes. It's just mental fortitude and a little bit of good advice, you know, and replicating who's winning and what they're doing Clearly not easy to do, dude. Oh my gosh, man, I went to Redding this year, I went last year, I just didn't shoot. I went this year and I had the pleasure to shoot with Stephan Hans and Jimmy Lutz and a couple other shooters, and those guys are talented. Yeah, like like it. They scream talent and it's like dang like stefan.
Speaker 1:I I've I've watched stefan shoot for years and I watched jimmy shoot for years, but it's kind of different, a little bit surreal. You know, I don't kind of I don't look at these people as like fans anymore. I kind of like from a fan base kind of standpoint. You know, I appreciate what they do, I appreciate their art and stuff like that. I look at it now from like man. I respect their ability to do what they do, like jimmy, dude, the way redding went down this year was wild. They hadn't had hail in years. We got caught in a hail storm. It started as a rainstorm all day, one day or the second day, then it turned into hail. We got caught with the mountain for lightning, jimmy ended up winning the tournament, the tournament, and he had to the last day to tie for first, to just to be in the, just to be in the final shoot down for first place between another guy who's mikey slosher's, arguably the best archer we've ever seen.
Speaker 1:You know, he's held the world number one world ranking for three years now. He's incredible and a great dude at that. Like happy for Mike, jimmy had to 22 is what we call it the big foot. So he had to put two arrows in a dot probably I can't remember how many inches wide, but it's at 101 yards, and he's never done it before. And he did it in order to win or in order to get a chance to win the tournament. And then he ends up winning the tournament. It was so cool to just watch that stuff. But I mean, those guys are, those guys can shoot. And it makes me wonder these football players, these baseball players? I play baseball, you know, but I'm not super gifted in archery or anything like that. But what if we start seeing these people that take their talents from different sports and transition it into archery? I wonder how well you know the target archery community is going to flourish, you know and one of what kind of scores we're going to see? We're already seeing those guys, you know.
Speaker 1:Transitioning to the hunting community, you know, there's a lot of professional sports athletes that that go bow hunting all over the world. There's a lot of them man More so than I realized Yep, there is a lot man, there's a lot. I mean, there's a lot of people that are like Josh Smith from Montana knife company, super big in archery. You got. You got all kinds of military guys getting into it. Where their background? Now you know the SOCOM side of things.
Speaker 2:There's so many people that are getting it and that's one of the people that I've sat down and we've done a lot of talking with is cause all of our friends are, you know, either active duty guys or prior military guys who have a lot of experience in the different side of things that they bring to the bow hunting side of things.
Speaker 2:That just takes, look, you can hunt a human, you can hunt a deer. I mean I, you know, I just talked to Jr Owens, levi owens, levi joe long yeah, um, joe kaliszewski, all of these guys that have a dude just stood too, yeah, dude, extensive backgrounds, um, in the special operations side of things, or and um, you, you look at their approach to a hunting. You know and it's just often it's different, they think differently than your average individual how much, how meticulous they are from the e-scouting side of things to the actual scouting to. You know their approach. I mean it's just it's wild to see them take their a different background and incorporate it here and be an incredibly successful hunter, no matter where they go joe long is arguably probably one of the best bow hunters him and levi that I know of, like joe long's taught me so much, joe long is my go-to.
Speaker 2:If you look at my dms, joe long is always in there and he, you know he takes a little bit of time to respond because he's always doing it with a stick and a string, a pure stick and a string.
Speaker 2:Those guys, man, they know their stuff and they have been my go-to when I have any questions on the hunting side of things and I love having them on and I'm sure I will have them back on as we dive into some of the weeds on some of the other um hunting side or topics. But those guys are they, they know their stuff, man.
Speaker 1:Great dudes too. All around not just hunting, but a couple of folks in Utah and get to a virtual podcast with them, Cause they're there's some guys out there on the west man.
Speaker 2:I'm gonna tell you what if we ever get invaded, I feel safe in utah. Dude, I'll be honest, man, when I think hunting, I think the western hunter man, yep, the guys that actively hunt there's so many people that don't realize how much western hunting culture influences eastern hunting culture.
Speaker 1:It's all influenced by western hunting.
Speaker 2:When you think hunter or bow hunter? In my opinion, I'm thinking the guy that's covering ground I think of first thing is cam haines stan, staten.
Speaker 1:Yeah, like those guys, john doley, bow hunter. You know, those are the guys I think are chargers.
Speaker 2:They're in good shape. Yep, you know, they're phenomenal. Uh, their fitness level is incredible. I mean, they key in on things. They're very intelligent aaron snyder?
Speaker 1:yeah, all those guys, aaron snyder. Yeah, absolutely man, I'm gonna tell you what dude. You know who else I like to watch hunt too.
Speaker 2:Who posts a lot of stuff is brandon lilly. Oh, brandon is a bro dude I've known so I've not personally, but uh, from the power lifting days back in the day. Right, that's how I got introduced to him and uh, power lifting and his cube method and whatever it is.
Speaker 1:But uh, that's how I do the name. I didn't know he's in the bow hunting until I got on the arrow side of things.
Speaker 2:Yeah, dude, and he's a stud too, man, he's a killer, bro, he's headed to.
Speaker 1:Australia actually. Well, he, just he, just, he was just somewhere. He's, he's heading into Australia to go on a hunt. Yeah, he was he's dude.
Speaker 2:That dude lives to hunt man he does it with?
Speaker 1:uh, he does with a trad bow, he's got a trad bow and a compound and I believe his lady she shoots as well, she's a she does.
Speaker 2:Yeah, both. Of them.
Speaker 1:They're a mean team man. I'll tell you what dude. I remember that I got a text. There's this guy, isaac. I love isaac. Isaac's a trip isaac. I kind of do what isaac does. Isaac worked at east for a while. Now he's part owner of a company called Allin. It's like a scope adapter company. You can put your phone on Very sleek design. Check it out Allin Company Good people behind there. Isaac introduces me to a text of Brandon and Lily and he texts me without Brandon in this group chat. First Says Cody, I'm going to introduce you to somebody, and when we introduce people to people like this, this is like mafia-style stuff. We don't. This means you're in the trust, the circle of trust, kind of thing. And then he introduces me to Brandon, lilly. I'm like man, the world comes full circle. Buddy, I was like I've read the cube method I've incorporated in training. I already know you?
Speaker 1:yeah, it's like yeah, bro, you don't even know yeah, but nah, brandon and man, he's so humble dude like. I remember the first time I called that guy and we just had, we talked for probably an hour, just bs and man and um it was kind of along the lines of uh, brandon, I want you to, I've you know, you're a very patriotic guy. I love it if you shoot one of our products, you know, and get you some product to shoot and play with. And he was so down for he was. So the dude is so grateful for any kind of opportunity that has ever come his way and if you look at that dude you you'd walk the other way, you'd never speak to him. He's scary looking, you know, but he's the nicest guy like he's a big human too, and he's a monster to be.
Speaker 2:Even he used to be he's he used to be. He's sharp, he looks he looks like a lean mean killing machine. He does man. He looks good man. First time I met him, funny enough was at tack.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:That's the first time I met him. After like 10 years, I finally met him in person for a brief minute at the booth. Uh, and just a very grateful individual, just a very nice guy, 100%, um, very cool. I met his girl too. They were both super nice. He's with Sorenex, yes.
Speaker 1:Sorenex Outdoors on the outdoor side of things yeah, but yeah, he's a killer man. It's wild to see his transition from the powerlifting days into what he's doing now. It's like whoa.
Speaker 2:Yep.
Speaker 1:I mean, he looks like like you said. Looks completely different. He was an ox. Yes, he's a.
Speaker 2:He's leaning me now, but yep, yep, well, cool man, so let's, I got a couple more questions for you, um, so, moving back to the eastern side of things, I know we got a little off topic there. We're talking about all these influential individuals within the archery community, which is incredible, but so what is your guys is, when it comes to east, in the top selling arrows? East coast versus west coast is there a difference or is it pretty much the same?
Speaker 1:I think the top selling skew is definitely a five mil axis across the board, united states, I think across the board four mil axis, I'm sure is in there northwest or northeast, uh territory of the us.
Speaker 2:Fmj does really well really yep, still in the lineup there it's it.
Speaker 1:It's something to do with those. Those guys in that area. They're just hardcore bow hunters too. You know. They're just hardcore whitetail hunters. They're sitting in tree stand long hours of the day. They've got 20 yard shots and they want something they know is going to go through, you know, both sides of an animal and then fmj gets it done for them. It's been around for a long time too, too.
Speaker 1:So my boss, gary he hates when I tell this story, but he actually kind of had like the first prototype of an FMJ. He didn't know what to call it. He brought it to the president and thought it was just a cool concept. He took an aluminum arrow and I can't remember what aluminum arrow it was like a 25-something diameter, 23-something diameter arrow and put a carbon arrow inside of it. He said, man, this is heavy, this is cool. Like, look at how strong this is. And you know the guy the president at the time was oh yeah, carbon arrows are cool. Light and fast is what's in. Right now, ten years later, fmj's born baby Been a staple ever since huh man, fmj and Axis those arrows, man dude, 2007, 2008,.
Speaker 1:There wasn't an arrow anywhere near competing with that. They were absolutely dominating and we still dominate with those shafts. You know there's been some admirable competition. You know, come up and I say competition with high regard and respect. You know the arrow companies. I think there's a lot of arrow companies that are putting out some pretty good stuff, but we just do things a little bit differently. That I like to shine a light on.
Speaker 2:So yeah, that's, I would agree, man. So you personally, what's your favorite do-it-all arrow? Five mil?
Speaker 1:axis. If I could have one arrow to hunt with everything, any game in the world 5mm.
Speaker 2:So that's been the highlight, the main topic here it seems like Zaxxas 5mm. So what about specifically for a hunting arrow? Is it still sticking with the 5mm?
Speaker 1:5mm on the hunting side, on the target side, dude, we got an arrow called Navance. That arrow is so impressive, it comes from a 2000 spine all the way to like a 340. Who's shooting that? Just target archers. It's a 4 mil shaft. Yeah, all carbon Kids get into it. Recurve archers will play around with it. It's not a price point arrow, it's a price point arrow, it is a price point arrow Okay.
Speaker 1:And it's got incredible, that shaft is better than our better. It is the best four mil all carbon shaft on the market outside of, maybe, our four mil axis, or outside of our four mil axis and outside of our super drive if we were to take that avance and compare it to everyone else's four mil carbon shafts, that shaft's going to dominate.
Speaker 1:Really. It's a crazy shaft, great shaft for kids and we make a sport version. It's just the tolerances are not as tight as the, the regular avance, but it's coming in at a price point you still can't beat, you know. So the avance, I would say, if I were to pick any, any target shaft that I'm, that that's impressed me the most. Of course x10 parallel pros on a whole another planet, you know. But the avance for the money, man, it's so hard to beat that shaft.
Speaker 2:Is it?
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's a great shaft, but for hunting side, 5mm axis. I like the 4mm axis too, don't get me wrong. But the 5mm man, I just I know. I know exactly what my build. I can tell you within two grains of what my Build's gonna be on that, are you?
Speaker 2:running anything special when you build that arrow? I just actually switch. Build's going to be on that. Are you running, uh, anything special when you?
Speaker 1:build that arrow. I just actually switch from a brass insert to a regular hit and I just I'll run the collar. The match grade collar on there it's like 13 or 14 grains kind of makes up for it. If I really want to hit, you know like 460 ish grains or so, I'll put 125 grain, point on it.
Speaker 2:What's the sweet spot for you when it comes to setting your bow up? Do you base off of a speed you're trying to get out of a bow, or do you look at an arrow weight? How do you, when you're setting your stuff?
Speaker 1:kind of a combination of both. I've talking with these engineers, man, I've looked at things a lot differently and you know, talking with kind of having, I guess, the privilege you know, or talking with some of these guys that are super successful on hunts and everything like what they're chasing. Some of them chase a good majority of them chase speed. A good majority of them chase like a certain arrow weight of like 420 to 450. Some of them want the thing to go, like I said, back to speed as fast as you can get it. And there's people they're successful on both sides. But I think if I can get, I want to, I want to shoot at least 285 to 290. Now it was 280, I think I can see a little difference you know, a little bit tighter tape always helps, especially being out west.
Speaker 1:Now, right, if I'm in a tree stand, I've 450 greens all day long. You don't even need that truly. You can get away with probably 380 greens and a good sharp broadhead on the front and it's going to plow through anything it wants to. You know, as long as I think a tune bow man, just having a tune bow, is the it's the most critical thing. And having a broadhead you have confidence in and all your equipment you have confidence in, yes, I'm a firm believer in that myself, man.
Speaker 2:So when I build my bows, I like mid 280s, the 290s, uh, personally, uh, I think the more and more that we've done this, the closer I get to 300 feet per second or exceed that, the harder I have a time with it tuning. Yeah, I'll shoot a mechanical.
Speaker 1:I won't mess with a. I love a fixed blade. Don't get me wrong. I've shot a bunch of. You know the strickland helix. You remember that broadhead it's owned by.
Speaker 2:It's owned by abb.
Speaker 1:We got those coming in there they make a really good broadhead. Um, iron will makes a good broadhead. There's a lot of man, there's so many good broadheads out there, but mechanical man, I just like the advantage that mechanical offers. Yeah, you know big holes and things bleed and you know if they you they're.
Speaker 2:They're a lot easier to tune for folks as well, so so they are absolutely, I think, most people, um, who don't spend the amount of effort or energy behind their bow or tinkering with their stuff. That would be better off shooting a mechanical broadhead personally, um, I mean, there's just killed a lot of deer they have. Yeah, they got the new um G five the new T2.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that new broadhead looks awesome. Sever makes a really great broadhead, which I personally use quite a bit now. I think they've performed really really well. I wish we could sell them.
Speaker 1:Yeah, there's a lot of people that do.
Speaker 2:It's just been a great broadhead. But yeah, there's a lot of good options out there. But I think for me personally a bow that shoots between like 285, 290 is ideal for me, and typically that arrow weight comes in, but about 440 to 460 grains it's something dude.
Speaker 1:That's the magic sweet spot, I think, for everything dude. There's this fool. I should stop using that word. It's kind of low class.
Speaker 1:There's this dude in africa. His name is donnie gill. This cat has killed more animals than anyone I know. He's put like 30 plus animals on the ground. As of like three weeks ago when I talked to him last and I asked him. He's shot everything dude from like giraffes, cape Buffalo and all this other stuff and he's the same way. He wants a little bit heavier of an arrow for Africa in that 500 range. If he's hunting Cape Buffalo it's in like the 800 range. But, bro, I I got to hook you up with him too. He's a solid. He'd be a good given to have on here. Yeah, yeah, he's got so much experience of being in a pressure situation behind a bow probably more than anyone I know of Wow and like talking with him was a fun.
Speaker 1:I chatted with him, we did a little recorded call and talking with him on his setup and like what to look for because I want to go to Africa to hunt his setup, and like what to look for because I want to go to africa to hunt probably plains game. I hunt no danger. I ain't gonna have no lions, no kitty cats, something that's hunting you, I yeah, if you can kill me, I ain't about it. That's why I ain't no bear hunter. That's why I ain't hunting no mountain lions. I will hunt them with powder and lead from a distance, from a distance I hear that, but uh, he's same way, man, he's like making sure of having a well-tuned bow and you know shooting.
Speaker 1:Like he told me he got really bad target panic, you know, in COVID and switched to like a tension release. And you know he's listened to Joel Turner a lot and Dudley a lot and you know he's got a. He's just got a lot of success. But same thing with Arrow. He likes to be that two, 80 ish, I believe, area and you know around that 500 ish mark. So, yeah, a little bit heavier, but he's got monkey arm, he got long arms, he's got like a 30 inch drawing.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah, so he's got yeah A little ahead of me, man.
Speaker 1:I'm truly 27. I'll shoot 27 and a half, depending on the axle to axle, but yeah, I ain't shooting nothing quick.
Speaker 2:I hear that. Well, I think that about wraps it up, man. It's fine, we've covered a lot, yes, sir. So, as always, man, it's good to see you. I appreciate you when you take the time to come in town and stop by and see us and, you know, get on the show First, stop the show first up. Yeah, I appreciate that, man. Um, so everybody knows you can find easton, you can go to all their social media stuff um, instagram, facebook, youtube, all that. But what about you? I mean, if anybody wants to keep up with you? I know you're kind of a private guy, man, but my page is public.
Speaker 1:You want to give me a follow. I might not follow you back just because there's so many things I got going on my time. I'm never honestly, I'm really not on my Instagram that much. I'm more on the Easton Instagram.
Speaker 2:So, but if they do want to follow your personal page on Instagram, where do you Cody Griffin underscore? Cody Griffin underscore pretty simple, pretty simple. Yeah, that's good man. Well, again, I just want to say thanks for coming on, man. I really talk, I really appreciate talking with you. Tons of great information, man, and it kind of an insight to what actually goes on within the industry and within one of the biggest companies in the archery game, yep. So I appreciate you opening up man.
Speaker 1:Yeah, man, thanks, dude, it's a pleasure being on here. I like, uh, like what you're doing, dude. You got a bunch of cool guests and seeing those guys get, you know, highlighted, like Levi, jr, ruben and, you know, justin, real dudes, just people, just people knew those cats.
Speaker 2:Oh God, that's what this show's about man Introducing people, unassuming people that you'll never hear about. If we could give a little bit of opportunity for them to share their story, that's what the show is all about. We've got really, really great guests that are high-caliber individuals that the world doesn't know about the highest of the high.
Speaker 1:Like, yeah, elite, one percenters, 100% murder bro Murderers.
Speaker 2:Like and we're talking about animals here yeah, yeah, I mean yes, but in their stellar performers in their career. Correct, that are our chargers, man our chargers, man, our chargers, absolutely Yep, so cool. Well, we're going to wrap this up, guys. As always, we appreciate you guys following along. This was episode. What episode was this? Joey 11 of the show.
Speaker 1:That's a lucky number. There we go, episode 11.
Speaker 2:So thanks again for following along, guys, and we will see you guys in the next episode of the show.