Our Wrestling Origins

Mazoku and SwagSwitcha launch their wrestling podcast by sharing how they became friends through a mutual love of wrestling, video games, and action figures at a young age.

• Meeting as fourth graders when their families connected through an apartment complex
• Discovering their shared passion for WWE, Pokemon, and Dragon Ball Z
• Bonding over WrestleMania 2000 and No Mercy on Nintendo 64
• Creating their own wrestling promotions in games and backyard matches
• Discussing childhood wrestling memories and first wrestling moments
• Exploring how wrestling influenced their friendship and creative expressions
• Explaining the "Big Brothers of Destruction" name's origin from Kane and Undertaker
• Sharing their personal Mount Rushmore wrestling picks
• Reviewing the WWE 2K24 GM Mode and its features
• Swag's dedication to Macho Man impressions in D&D campaigns

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Chapters

• 0:00 Introduction to Big Brothers of Destruction
• 1:10 How They Met as Wrestling Fans
• 9:20 Childhood Wrestling Memories and Games
• 19:44 Sharing Wrestling with Friends Growing Up
• 32:17 Creating Their Own Wrestling Promotions
• 43:48 WWE 2K24 GM Mode Discussion
• 58:00 Personal Wrestling Mount Rushmore Picks
• 1:32:43 Closing Thoughts and Future Episodes

Transcript

Speaker 1: 0:10

welcome everybody to the first episode of the big brothers of destruction podcast. My name is the maziku and it's your boy, swag switcher. And so, again, welcome to the podcast. It's going to be a pilot episode just to introduce ourselves and get you guys more familiar with who we are as wrestling fans. While we're doing this and man, we're going to be here to do a lot of things. We're going to be here to do raw reviews SmackDown reviews, things, tna, uh talk, things, new japan but before we kind of get all into that, like I said before, I really want to give you guys a chance to deep dive and understand who we are as wrestling fans and kind of how we got into wrestling.

Speaker 1: 0:58

So I think, uh, a cool way to start it off is how me and Swag Switcher even met, and that kind of starts everything off there. So, real quick, I am a North Carolina native, I'm from North Carolina, and when I was in the fourth grade, me and my mom moved from North Carolina to Florida and in the midst of us getting to our new apartment, swag Switch's aunt was sitting outside on a cell phone or a house phone or whatever, and my mom really Sister-in-law it was my sister-in-law oh sister-in-law, excuse me.

Speaker 2: 1:39

Sister-in-law I don't want to say aunt. Excuse me, sister-in-law, it was my sister.

Speaker 1: 1:42

Oh sister, excuse me sister I don't want to say aunt, excuse me sister-in-law, um, sister-in-law, who was sitting outside and uh was on the phone and my mom needed a phone as well, and she allowed her to use her phone and everything. And then while she saw me she was like oh, I have a relative who is around that same age and they should always be able to hang out, or like they should hang out or whatever. So my mom, you know, introduced me to Jay and uh, you know, we kind of um, we kind of found a lot of common interests, but the main one that we always had was wrestling. Didn't know it immediately, but when I got to his house he got, he got the whole wrestling ring, he got the figures. I got the same stuff at my house.

Speaker 2: 2:30

So when I saw that, immediately clicked yeah, so so to even expand on that particular uh, that particular bit, uh I at the time because my brother and my sister-in-law they lived at the apartments, uh and um, it was one of those things where I was. I would always go over there and hang out whenever there wasn't anything to do at my uh, my grandma's house, because that's who I lived with at that time. And this is like fourth grade actually. I want to say, was this solid fourth grade? I want to say this was like no, I think it was like like early fourth grade because third grade had already gone and passed.

Speaker 1: 3:16

I'm pretty certain it was the summertime because, yeah, I just finished um the third grade going into the fourth okay.

Speaker 2: 3:26

And so I'm there and I'm actually sitting there playing on the nintendo 64 and I'm pretty certain I was playing I think it was wrestlemania 2000. Wrestlemania 2000 at the time was what I was playing and so my sister-in-law she comes like, hey, I got, uh, there's someone I want you to meet, that that's uh in the neighborhood and maybe I'll, you know, maybe y I'll might become friends or whatever. I'm like, ok, cool. And so we walk over and literally just like apartment, just an apartment building, and a half away I walk over, I come in as one of those things like I, I come around the corner because we're with the way the apartment was set up. It's like you walk through the door, there was the washroom over here and then immediately on this side was his room, and so come around and it's all like the first thing that I noticed because I just so happily had the same thing, he just had a different version of it. But first thing I see on his wall is Pokemon Stadium and it's all 151 Pokemon, but it's them in their Pokemon Stadium sprites and I'm like, oh, all right, so he messes with Pokemon, that checks, that's cool.

Speaker 2: 4:47

And then then I turn, he's got the nintendo 64 and he also has wrestling. I was like, ah, so he plays wrestling as well. He also has some wrestling toys and stuff like that too. And so I come in, I sit down as like we introduce ourselves, I was. Can I get a controller? Yeah, pick up the controller and for probably maybe like the first 30 minutes, we're just, we're just sitting there, we don't really say a whole lot, but we don't even really make eye contact either. It's just like he's in this, like I don't even know what you call that chair, but it's like this freaking. Um, yeah, the what you call that chair, but it's like this freaking circle chair.

Speaker 2: 5:28

Yeah, this circle chair. You know, he's like almost like full guru mode here, like sitting in this circle chair, and I'm sitting on like the. He's got like a futon bunk bed type situation going on and it's just like we just put the. He just has that. He's got wrestling on the game and then, as we're playing, I was like you mess with pokemon, yeah, I play pokemon too. Oh, okay, yeah, dragon ball z. Yeah, yeah, okay, okay, okay, that's cool, cool, cool. And it was just like we just kind of played the game and then, uh, maybe like after a couple of random matches and we were like, oh, so we both really know how to play this game. All right, I think we're, uh, I think this will work, and that's kind of sort of just how it left. Like I think I was probably there for maybe like two hours. Yeah, yeah, mostly just us playing the game, yeah yeah, yeah, uh.

Speaker 1: 6:19

I remember the one thing we used to always love doing is, once we found this out, the ring bells. Because you play, we play, uh, wrestling 2000, and you could collectively grab bells and then you could just suplex people on them and it just uh, the ding sound from the bells so that that actually that came later, but that was, yeah, quite a fun because that was on.

Speaker 2: 6:43

no, that was no a fight, because that was no Mercy.

Speaker 1: 6:45

Oh yeah, you're right, WrestleMania didn't have that. No.

Speaker 2: 6:47

Mercy, yeah, which I mean still fitting within the time frame, because no Mercy literally just came out, literally later.

Speaker 1: 6:55

Yeah, literally a little bit after that A couple months later type thing.

Speaker 2: 7:01

And yeah, no, because on WrestleMania, on that one you pull out a weapon when you drop it, it disappeared. Yeah, so I know, mercy brought in, brought in the idea and the aspect of you can pick up a weapon and you can put it on the ground and then you can drop people on top of the weapon and they actually reacted to being dropped on the weapon still one of the reasons why, no mercy was one of the greatest wrestling chefs.

Speaker 2: 7:29

Chefs, kiss, literally absolute chef kiss it does not get any better than how that went.

Speaker 1: 7:39

I mean, it does, but like you know, the thing, the thing about us in wrestling too, and obviously in our gaming, like history, a lot of things that we take from wrestling or just things we experience in life, we do it in real life. So anybody who's ever played no mercy uh, godfather, whenever he comes out to the ring he has a specific walk, and I've made literal tiktoks of of me doing the, the walk and I was like you know what?

Speaker 2: 8:14

oh, go ahead, it is great. No, I was just gonna say it's great because, like to anybody else who's probably watching tiktok, it's all like oh, that's a funny little walk thing for me. I get the extra pop out of it because I know exactly what he's like. Honestly, y'all should check out his tiktoks, especially if you, if you can figure out the deep cuts that he kind of throws into some of these tiktoks, because there's times where I'll just be watching his tiktoks and I'm all like, and then I'll go through and I'll look at the comments. I'm just all like, wow, that was originally just a small inside joke between the two of us, but he also. But then he put on tiktok and people on tiktok also enjoy it. But I'm like, ah, but they don't. They don't know how good of a joke this really is.

Speaker 1: 9:03

They don't know yeah, no, they, they don't know. So that's the cool thing about it. So again, with the godfather walk, it was just simply, we used to always find it funny, just, and then so making that a tiktok, it's just like things like that. Uh, it's funny how wrestling to us we, we take so many things from wrestling and make it inside jokes and I know everybody does that, everybody does that. But for us, while growing up, there are so many uh elements that we've gotten from wrestling where we incorporate that as jokes in our day-to-day life.

Speaker 1: 9:42

So, but, yes, we meet each other, we play, we play the game and then as we continue to hang out and watch different you know shows or we'll talk about pay-per-views, you know, and it's cool to know now. So actually I never knew how that first experience was for you, because now, hearing it from you, it's like wow, okay, I kind of had a similar thing of like I don't know who this guy, I don't know who this dude is, and you know how parents always love meshing two people again, a lot of people tend to do that, and at first you're very standoffish. So I never knew that you were, because I always felt like you was super chill. So it was like yo he's super chill.

Speaker 2: 10:29

Hell yeah, you come over hang out and it wasn't so much like the standoffish thing, but it was, it was. It's just more so the fact, like you know, it's like all right, so it's like because you know we're, we're in fourth grade. So like, once you're like in that fourth grade area, you know those like like going, like I, I would say like fourth grade and forward, those days where you just go to a go to the park and then just be like hey, kid, let's play tag together and then I'll just go and run around and start playing tag like that's like towards the tail end of like that era of becoming friends and so I

Speaker 2: 11:08

was like, once you go from fourth grade and forward, if we're not family or if we did not link up because we went to school together, it's it gets harder to just be all like. You know, especially on, just like a quick one-off that we had at that time, it's like all right. So, like I'm in this guy's house, you know, like we got to like I don't know how to, I don't know him, know him. I mean I, we know each other's name right now. But it's like, as I was looking around the room, it's like Pokemon check, wrestling, triple check and then kind of like seeped it, kind of seeped out dragon ball z. Okay, we might be safe here we might be safe.

Speaker 2: 11:56

It's crazy. Like like, like, like. After that, like we can, we can figure out everything else afterwards, but like pokemon, dragon ball z wrestling, that's plenty to work with yeah, yeah and um, you know, at at the time I do remember I had that rock poster that I had for an eternity.

Speaker 1: 12:16

It was when it was I don't. I don't know if I can find the image, but if I can I'm putting on the screen. It was this image of where the Rock had the pose, the eyebrow, and it was that gray $500 shirt that he used to always wear, and I kept that for an eternity. You know, every wrestling fan has that one wrestling poster that they held onto for dear life. It is there is. Well, I think you have one. Didn't you have a cane one like that?

Speaker 2: 12:48

let me. I don't think I've. I've never had a cane, which is crazy to say this out loud now. I'm thinking I don't think I've ever actually had like a cane poster of any sorts. But back when wrestling used to like like when you would get the magazines and then like they'll have like the small posters in their magazine yeah.

Speaker 2: 13:12

I had a couple of the posters that was of the divas and my favorite one that I had it was a poster of all of the pay-per-views that were going to happen for that year, of the pay-per-views that were going to happen for that year and, um, and this was specifically when brock lesnar was like had first came out and was still was just getting big and whatnot, because I remember him being on the poster.

Speaker 2: 13:35

But that poster also had a couple of the divas as well at the time and and that poster was very useful because back then, like wwe, they kind of sort of kept the same. Like it's like within that, like I would say like for like three years after I had that poster, they kept the same style and and thing for the pay-per-views. So it's like when I first got the poster, all the pay-per-views were in the right times and then when the next year would come back around, they didn't change the names of the pay-per-views and they didn't change the months of where the pay-per-views would drop. So that poster was kind of sort of like my okay, it's February. What pay-per-view comes out today?

Speaker 1: 14:20

Oh, all right. Yeah, every pay-per-view comes out the same way every time. Yeah, that that. See, that's the thing that I there's gonna be a lot of conversation about we will. We'll probably say what we miss about wrestling, because every wrestling fan has that. If you start off at a certain era, you all have a I miss this in wrestling moment. Um, for for a lot of us, as 90s kids, it's going to be either games, it's going to be a specific era, it. I know one thing and I didn't know this was such a huge thing in the wrestling community, but, uh, remember how, when matches would show the match card and it would show the wrestlers like getting ready the movement, like I didn't know that everybody loved that. So much.

Speaker 2: 15:07

I didn't know that.

Speaker 1: 15:08

I'm bringing it back right yeah, it's everybody's popping for it. Yeah, everybody's popping for it now.

Speaker 2: 15:15

And and I didn't know this thing, now it's funny because, like in the now I, they, they're, they're, like, they're slowly, like they kind of bringing it back but I don't know if they're bringing it back to keep because, like they, because I remember what was it?

Speaker 2: 15:29

the? The last one that I remember seeing was when it was drew mcintyre taking on, uh, uh, jay uso and so and and so they. They did it for that and I know on the very first episode they did it for a couple feels like are we, are we doing this again? Are we gonna? Are we gonna keep it?

Speaker 1: 15:48

and that's the thing. So I encourage anybody in the comments please, in the comments, tell me, you know, if you are a big fan of the moving match cards, please tell me why. I, while I enjoyed them, I always loved the rocks, was like it's like he always interacted and nobody ever did that. So I was like it would be really cool if more people did that. And RVD was just you know.

Speaker 2: 16:15

So so I could imagine, for a new one, especially for Joe Henry.

Speaker 1: 16:22

Joe Henry yeah.

Speaker 2: 16:23

Immediately it would be perfect.

Speaker 1: 16:26

I feel like what you should do is, though, if he, if he didn't work, you know, go off for a second, but if he did, he would have to do the turn and it's just zoom in into his face, just because that's how it does in the actual video. I feel like that that would be funny as hell, just to scare people.

Speaker 2: 16:49

I I appreciate the thought, the idea, but please don't, don't, don't, don't.

Speaker 1: 16:56

They would never do it, oh lord but yes, so, wow, those are definitely a couple of things that I again, being a wrestling fan, we all have our favorites and wish that can come back. So, uh, to kind of get back into the you know how we met and kind of how we mesh into more into wrestling, um, I had another friend in north carolina who was a really big wrestling fan and he was kind of the person that introduced it to me. Um, and I was like, wow, this is really cool. And I remember the first segment I ever saw was it was a segment where the Rock was coming after Undertaker and he just hit him with a rock bottom and to me I was like, whoa, what? What was that? He told me, you know the rock bottom and everything and I was like, wow, this is dope.

Speaker 1: 17:45

And uh, that was just like the main segment I saw. And I remember I went home afterwards so I was gonna ask you, uh, swag switcher, what was your complete introduction to wrestling like was? I know your brother been big fan and you know, has always been really big on us in incorporating wrestling too. But what was your original moment that also brought you into wrestling?

Speaker 2: 18:12

that was crazy, because I've been trying to chase that memory for quite some time now because I I don't know if I can possibly full-on recall. So to give some extra background, wrestling goes deep in my family so this goes all the way back to my great-grandfather, so my great-grandfather, whenever they would go to the Florida Championship wrestling, that was around here.

Speaker 2: 18:53

He loved wrestling, but he didn't like to go by himself. He would take one of his kids with him, which he had my grandmother, my uh, my two aunts and then my uncle right, and so they didn't like going, but my grandmother would go and so she would take him. So, so he would take her to go watch the wrestling. And this is like he's go. He's seeing like dusty roads and all of them right and so yeah like, yeah, he like way way back then a true pop.

Speaker 2: 19:35

And so after a while, when my grandmother had my mom, she kind of sort of was like hey, instead of me going, why don't you take my daughter with you? And so my mom would go with them, kind of thing, and that's. And then from there my mom got hooked on wrestling, which, of course, my brother was the first born, so then he would be hooked on wrestling. So my brother is like 14 years older than I am, so by the time I show up and whatnot like wrestling is just fully enclosed, and so it's like I'm pretty certain I was out the womb watching wrestling. And so when I think, trying to recall what it is like the first, my first real memory, my first real memory is of Bret Hart. Ok, I, bret Hart was, this was what I liked and enjoyed, and I remember it as being a tiny human wanting to be one of those kids in the crowd that got the Bret Hart shades kind of thing.

Speaker 2: 20:55

And so from Bret Hart the next memory outside of Undertaker because Undertaker is the next memory that I know that I would always see and I thought he was the coolest thing the period type deal.

Speaker 2: 21:10

And then the other particular thing that I remembered that I thought was also really amazing and cool was gold dust okay, you know what I will agree very unique character, very unique character, and it's one of those things where it's like it is and I would say it's my, my, and it's not a specific memory, it's just I remember seeing them, so it's like gold dust coming out to the ring and doing this thing.

Speaker 2: 21:39

And so when I was doing my own research, trying to see if I could figure out what was it specifically like, what was my true first wrestling memory? It's like I know it's falls somewhere in between night like mid 1995 to 1990, pretty much to 1996 because or, yeah, at least, yeah to 1996 at least. Because. The other thing that is a very core memory of mine is I remember it was like a sunday, it was a sunday morning back when they used to do like the wrestling review on sunday mornings and stuff like that. Yeah and uh, I would always be able to get to see it, because by the time I get home from sunday school at church, you know, it's like only it's like 11 going on 12 o'clock and that would be on and apparently prior. My brother entered into like some kind of sweepstakes and he won, which apparently my brother's just really good at entering in competitions and winning that kind of sounds like a friend of ours who he they're constantly posting them meeting wrestlers like constantly.

Speaker 1: 22:59

And we're just like bro, how did you meet them there?

Speaker 2: 23:02

Like yeah, yeah, there's that.

Speaker 2: 23:09

So what he had won, he won a life size cutout of big diesel, kevin Nash.

Speaker 2: 23:20

And it's specifically when he's in his Diesel era, because he's got the jacket on, with the leather jacket with the frills, and it says Diesel on, it is what you would call it and stuff like that. And I wanted to say I don't. And so, and I think during that particular time was around the time when he was like the champion, and that particular time was like 1996 round time. And so because the fact so it's like I've been, which I need to get back to seeing if I can find it, I've been watching, I've been uh, trying to go back and like watch old wrestling episodes from 1995 forward so that I can see if I can remember like what is my first true like thing that I saw. Because, like when all this is that I'm saying is happening, I know for a fact I'm watching wrestling every night with my mom and my brother, because, because monday nights was the only night throughout the whole week that I was allowed to stay up until 11 o'clock, because otherwise I'm in bed at nine o'clock every night but on raw.

Speaker 2: 24:41

Yeah, you get to stay up more on watch wrestling on mondays I can stay up and watch wrestling, but I'm only get to stay up if I'm watching wrestling, which was fine with me because I love wrestling.

Speaker 1: 24:53

So it was, that's crazy, um, for me I was the only family member who truly enjoyed wrestling the way I did. Now, yeah, I, I had cousins who played the games, you know, but as a true wrestling fan it was primarily me. My uncle he did watch it, you know, older days in the eighties with you know the Hogan's of the era and stuff like that. But as of after that, I think he was, I think, who was not a fan of stone cold, you know. I know he definitely shaved his head around that time too. So I don't know if that was the core reason, but I know at the time when austin was who he was in wrestling, a lot more people started shaving their head because they wanted to look as cool, if not as badass, as austin.

Speaker 1: 25:42

Um, but uh, I will say that, as that was your core area, where you feel like you kind of got involved into wrestling, that was kind of what my my friend, keith, at the time he had introduced it to me and I started playing certain wrestling games and that was my introduction to wrestling. And I remember, you know, as I started watching Raw and also other different shows, it was always really difficult to have friends in wrestling because, as I was going into the third grade and everything, I had this one kid who big fan of wrestling. I was a big fan of it. Since I was a big fan of wrestling, I will always want to talk to him about it because he used to watch wrestling and then, unfortunately, his parents made him stop to watch wrestling and then, unfortunately, his parents made him stop and I know every kid had this moment where wrestling was either too violent or for other reasons. You know, um, or even religious um but it was that yeah and and and.

Speaker 1: 26:41

Therefore it really sucked, because it was kind of like some times where he would be look, if you watch, if you continue to watch it, I can't be your friend. So it was like oh well, I guess I'm not your friend because I'm going to keep watching it.

Speaker 1: 26:58

So there were a lot of times where, as a young age, you had, as we started playing the game, I started to get weary of that, because I had this situation where it was a really close friend really, you know, to me it was ride or die, friend Right, and and it's funny, his name was Jesse too. Yeah, His name was Jesse too. So, um, to have that moment and then to meet another person same situation. It's weird how now I'm looking back at it, but I guess my brain never processed that like, wow, same situation, literally saying this it's like you know.

Speaker 1: 27:41

So, um, I'm glad that when we finally got the chance to mesh in in finding out we're into wrestling, we started dabbling into it more. We cut our own promos. What kid hasn't cut their own promo when you were into wrestling? Um, we've also had our own impromptu matches and, uh, I'll never forget the time where we had the steel cage. We used to have the steel cage ring attachment piece and we would use it as a weapon piece too, and I think I don't know if this happened because of the piece the steel cage piece but we ended up busting one of ourselves wide open. So it was you who got busted open, yes, yes.

Speaker 2: 28:31

And I I it's funny because I remember if I was like it's like, it happened and then all of a sudden we, like freaked out for a moment, was like oh snap, oh snap, you okay, you okay, yeah, okay, it's like. And then it's all like, well, shit, you're busted open this.

Speaker 2: 28:47

And then we just kept on going, just yeah, it was like oh snap refreak out moments like oh no, you're bleeding, and then it's like no, no, it doesn't hurt, oh cool that and then like oh, this adds more chemistry to the to play to the wrestling now because we're bleeding.

Speaker 1: 29:05

So I love how we're not even actual. You know wrestlers and you know technically, in a in a seasonal sense, we both had our elements and moments and actually doing wrestling.

Speaker 1: 29:18

But in that kind of doing the thing that they say not to do at home yes, but, uh, having that moment and realizing it and as any wrestling fan, when you're trying to explain wrestling to somebody and they're saying when, when they get to the point where let's get some color, let's get color, and and then, and then it actually happens to, you're like wait, whoa? Actually I see why the adrenaline is rushing. So that was a cool thing you know as growing up and stuff like that. Cody Rhodes something. Cody Rhodes, ric Flair, to me was more of a bleeder than Cody I wasn't talking about the blood.

Speaker 2: 29:58

I was talking about the adrenaline rushing and stuff in your soul okay, you know what you have a point.

Speaker 1: 30:05

I was thinking because cody also likes to get a lot of color too.

Speaker 2: 30:10

He, he does like to believe I mean I, it's not something I thought of, but I mean you're not wrong, yeah, but there's also something about you know, blonde hair busted open face. It just looks good.

Speaker 1: 30:24

Rick flair made a living off of it literally, literally, made her living off of it. But, um, so, yeah, uh, that was kind of again our introductions to it and how we evolved into, if not imitating, you know, the play wrestling or just playing games in particular, and uh, I remember we even started like creating our own promotions. Um, we had our own promotions.

Speaker 2: 30:51

That I still have my own promotion, as a matter of fact, to this day. I mean, I have not done my promotion in a minute, but with the new wrestling game that just came out and I've been playing it, I kind of I kind of got that itch to want to recreate my characters and stuff like that. However, only just because I'm me and just the way that I am, I want to like go back, because the last time I actually created my promotion, which is called vtcw, which stands for vote, tackle, championship, wrestling and um, I want to finish at least the year that I was in the middle of doing because, like when, I was like when we create we go hard. So I had like, especially with the way that universe. So it's like I completely restructured universe. I had like the three, I had like the four different shows. I created my, did the different arenas for each show, gave the shows each different names, freaking, created different pay-per-views for all of the show excuse me, for all of the different shows and stuff like that, created belts for each championship and stuff.

Speaker 2: 32:04

I I went stupid. I want to say this was for uh, this was for 2k 23. I want to say 20, either 2k 22 or 23 it's one of the two that I did did this for and so I like I like I went, I went full tilt on the creative mode and so I was literally like in the middle of like quite the season on there and I'm like I want to like go back and just finish simulating all that before I actually like create them on the new, because then I would just continue from that on this new game, which so far, this new game pretty lit.

Speaker 1: 32:46

Just I will quick review on that I will say um, because I did again also have my own promotion and while yours was in 23, my real big one was 2019, uh, 2k19. I had a full 100 person roster and my concept while his, you know, swag had, you know, volt tackle wrestling, I actually incorporated a uh, a very fun fighting game that I enjoy. I'm a big fan of fighting games. We're both big fans of fighting games. I'm I'm just more in the competitive sense, but this particular fighting game I end up finding out one day at arcade it's called saturday night slam masters and you know, that was a really great game for me because I enjoy taking the elements of street fighter, because, again, street fighter was my first fighting game and I love that to death. Um, then you also didn't. Capcon said hey, let's make a wrestling game. Oh snap, you're taking two of my favorite things and combining them. Yes, so I love that game so much I literally have an arcade cab in my house that has the game in. That is how much I love street fighter. That is how much I love saturday night slam masters.

Speaker 1: 34:03

So at that point I wanted to take the concept of hey, what if I just took every fighting game character that was a wrestler, or every wrestler in a fighting game, and put them in a promotion together. So we're talking about people from street fighter tekken, uh, kof, um, people, even from Power Instinct, just like any wrestling character in a fighting game you can think of, was in this promotion, outside of my own character who originally was in Volt Tackle. It's funny because me and Swag used to be a tag team in a promotion. We kind of went to the opposite ends of promotions Swag's character stayed in Volt Tackle Wrestling and my character moves into another promotion and there was the promotional clashes we had too. So it's kind of like we had our own WWE and AEW.

Speaker 1: 35:10

Oh, in a sense sense it would have been ww and wcw at the time I mean were we that? Well, okay, you mean like as in the time era.

Speaker 2: 35:17

Okay, yeah, as in the time era. But even then, when we were also playing these games, wcw had kind of bit the dust anyway still especially like the core of these games like wrestle, like, like not no mercy, but like wrestlemania 18 and then smackdown. Yeah, first smackdown two, and was there a smackdown three? No, there was Smackdown 2 and then went to Smackdown oh so that's what they did.

Speaker 1: 35:50

Shut your mouth, here comes the pain, nope, just Bring it Just.

Speaker 2: 35:55

Bring. It was one. Oh wait, there was, because I know there was. First there was Smackdown, smackdown 2. I want to say so, smackdown 2.

Speaker 1: 36:03

Oh, so then the third no wasn then the third.

Speaker 2: 36:05

No, wasn't the third one, just Bring it.

Speaker 1: 36:08

Okay, yeah, it was Just Bring it, and then Shut your Mouth.

Speaker 2: 36:11

Yeah, Just Bring it, then Shut your Mouth, and then here Comes the Pain.

Speaker 1: 36:15

And here Comes the Pain, for I would actually like to hear in the comment section everybody's favorite wrestling game, but to the majority of the crowd it's going to either be no mercy, it will probably be ww, wcw, uh, nwo, revenge and not, was it revenge, or is it? Um, oh, you got me on that one.

Speaker 2: 36:38

I I never touched the wcw ones.

Speaker 1: 36:41

I never did either which lets you guys know right now we are wwe guys, wwe, wwf purists. Yeah, I definitely didn't watch wcw. If I did, it was for goldberg and that was it um barely.

Speaker 2: 36:55

But you saying that just reminded me like, because when you was talking about like being friends with people who watch wrestling, I'll never forget the homie. His name was, uh, his name was paul, and uh, he out. We found out that we liked wrestling, but we we couldn't get the concept of the fact that we were watching two different wrestlings at the time, because, because I had said something I was like about watching wrestling, it was all like you watch wrestling too. I didn't know that, yeah, yeah, who's your favorite wrestler? Oh, uh, my favorite wrestler is, uh, undertaker and, uh, I also really like brett hart and he's like who are those? I'm like what do you mean? Who are those? They're, they're wrestlers. And he's all like, no, well, he's like he's.

Speaker 2: 37:44

So you don't like, what about sting? I'm like who's sting? He's like you don't know who sting is. He's like stings like my favorite wrestler. And my other favorite wrestler is goldberg, and I'm like I've never heard of these people. And he tries to describe him. It was like you're talking about stone cold steve austin, and we're both looking at each other with these big question marks, like, and I got to the point where I'm like you're not watching wrestling, that's not wrestling what you're watching and I think I got. I think he got real mad at me because I I literally denounced whatever the he was watching.

Speaker 2: 38:26

That was that he called wrestling. I was like those aren't real people. There's no. I've never heard of a goldberg. There's who sting like, and he said, a couple of other people. I'm like, yeah, no, that's that's, that's something different. That's that's not wrestling like oh, I'm so dead mankind. We're talking mankind, the rock, you know, nation of domination undertaker like vince mcmahon, like I don't. I don't know what you're watching, bro, but that ain't wrestling not you, completely denouncing this man's whole universe?

Speaker 1: 39:01

you like was like oh word, that's what you watched. This shit's not real, and that's the one thing any wrestling fan hates to hear.

Speaker 2: 39:09

This shit is not real, oh bro we kind of clashed for a minute and but of course, like we, we weren't friends for the rest of the day dad that's crazy. Because, um, because I told him his sting was garbage and couldn't take on Undertaker. That's crazy and we never got that match unfortunately I mean, we know who'd win. Stand by it. We already know.

Speaker 1: 39:33

I think that's again because we're purists.

Speaker 2: 39:35

But Sting ain't got nothing on Taker, that's just what it is.

Speaker 1: 39:42

Alright, I see that's gonna what it is. All right, I see that's going to happen in the comments too. That's my hot take.

Speaker 2: 39:49

Take it, or leave it If it's too hot, put it down.

Speaker 1: 39:52

We all have our hot takes and I'm going to get back to you on that one. I definitely have a couple of hot takes myself. That is actually what? Real quick. The Disket Lariat Lounge is for the Disket Lariat Lounge is for the Disket Lariat Lounge is going to be a segment in the future where we're just going to take something, spin it and knock you straight in the nose with it. So that will be something you guys will see in the future. But for now, to kind of get back into the previous moments, yes, we had our own particular promotions. That's kind of how we got involved into, uh, the general manager side or the uh backstage element of creating wrestling. So the I know now that you're getting ready to do that for your game and it's unfortunate because you're on ps5 and I'm on pc, so I would love to be able to download those characters and stuff like that.

Speaker 2: 40:45

I mean oh yeah, now as far as that goes well, and but I was about to say, like, if you was talking about, like the GM mode and stuff like that, like because I bought the taker edition and whatnot and uh, luckily steam often has different sales and so it's like, if you're only going to get on the pc, I could probably buy the vanilla version and play and play, play, play it on there as well, maybe not a thing, especially if we want, if we want to do like the gm mode, because we could really do the.

Speaker 2: 41:25

We could really do gm mode in the sense where it's like, if you want to have it be like your promotion, but well, maybe not so much like using, actually like like like the characters and everything.

Speaker 1: 41:36

Yeah, I mean, unless you, although you could, I could actually could I. I because, um, because you can actually, if, since you, since you're not familiar with gm mode, oh, not the new one, not the new one, but we remember we used to do gmo back in the day, yeah back in the day, but with the new one.

Speaker 2: 41:56

Oh okay, because I don't remember. Actually, I think you, I think you've always been able to add your.

Speaker 1: 42:02

Yeah, you could, it's just yeah, you can always add your characters.

Speaker 2: 42:05

Yeah, so it's like on the old one you could add your characters, but they'd be they'd be like 10 overall popularity and you have to like literally grind the hell out of them to get their popularity up. And so, as far as that goes, I actually don't know what it does on this game with your create characters only because I have not put create characters in gmo yet but, you can literally take out like all the other characters and just put in your characters that you want in gmo type.

Speaker 2: 42:34

Okay, so that is a thing, but what? But the main thing I was going to say is the fact that in the gmo that they have here, uh, with the new one, they actually have like a couple of very interesting choices for general managers. Like right now on the playthrough that I'm doing, the general manager that I picked is scary sherry as a gm that you could have. They have elizabeth as a gm that you could have on the game. Listen, when I saw those two I was like why?

Speaker 1: 43:19

because there were managers managers. Yes, now, so a general manager, they, they evolved apparently so.

Speaker 2: 43:30

So on the previous game, they which they don't have him on this one, which blows my mind because I liked having him on that one, but uh, they had. They had the million dollar man why is he not a GM? He was a GM on the previous game. On this one right now he's not, and I don't know why now they do have goofy yeah.

Speaker 1: 43:55

I don't know that's, it's, that's they took him off.

Speaker 2: 43:58

Instead they gave us scary sherry and Elizabeth, which I'm not mad at because scary sherry's elizabeth, which I'm not mad at because scary sherry's little gm uh thing that she does is low-key, diabolical, like, especially if you're like so, so, uh, it's because I know you're not familiar with it the way that they have these things that are called power cards. Right, oh, okay, okay, okay, no, uh, go, go ahead so. So the different power cards make you be able to do like it'll make certain, make different things happen or make things difficult for the other person, and so each general manager has their own special power card and then, depending on which brand you pick to be, has its own power card as well that you can use. I really like the nxt power card.

Speaker 2: 44:47

Whenever you're like the nxt brand power card, and specifically the gold brand nxt power card, because when you use that it's called, it's like pretty much like a night of champions or whatever, and what it does is like it makes it boosts the popularity of every match that's on the card that is, that's got a belt being defended on it, which, if you use it in the right way and because you each almost each brand has a tag has two tag team titles one for the guys, one for the girls.

Speaker 2: 45:21

Uh, they'll have at least an intercontinental title and then two world titles, uh, for you know, one for boys, one for the girls, and whatnot. So that's like what. That's like four out of your five matches that are going to be on the pay-per-view or on your show that will have belts on them. So when you're trying to like maximize and like really boost yourself, listen, put a title match on each match and then put your popular people on there fighting for those titles and then make it be like a specially specialty type match, pop that thing. Listen, you can have five stars on every single match just because all of them were for the belts and you use your relatively decent people like it's, it's good, and then, with scary sherry, what she does is because your characters have like morale right so sometimes like if they lose too many matches, or they'll like send you an email and be like, hey, I want you to put me in the main event, you'll be all like, okay, and if you don't do it then they get pissed off at you.

Speaker 2: 46:28

Or if they be all like, hey, can you put me in the main event, you're like, uh, no, you're not a main event player, buzz off, they'll get mad at you for that. So it lowers their morale. What?

Speaker 2: 46:37

scary sherry does is her little thing. When you use it, if I'm recalling it correctly, it will. If you pick, depending on which brand you, you can pretty much, uh, it will make the person that you're going against, it'll make all of their whole roster, it'll make all of your rock, that whole roster's morale, go down one level. So so so it's like if you see, or like, so like, let's say, if you're playing in forever, for whatever reason, you're pissing off all of your wrestlers. If I pop that, then your wrist was go from being really pissed off then going to the point of wanting to leave and they will fucking leave. It's crazy. You know what's? They got new things where sometimes they'll just do things that you don't want them to do.

Speaker 2: 47:26

For example, I had a mine, liv Morgan. She's like my main bad guy, right, and then I guess her morale got a little low and she was all like hey, so, sherry, I'm tired of this bad girl stuff. I'm going to be a good girl, okay, okay. I'm like tired of this bad girl stuff. I'm going to be a good girl, okay, okay. I'm like whoa, whoa, whoa. I didn't say that she's like, I know you didn't, but that's what I'm doing.

Speaker 2: 47:47

I'm like all right you, little bitch you listen to me here.

Speaker 2: 47:52

Fine, fine, I will adjust. But then I had Lash Legend was in a feud with somebody and I guess because her morale got a little low, she turned around and actually jumped her person who she's feuding with and injured them backstage. So then I get an email from triple h and he's all like a um, so, uh, last legend actually attacked so and so backstage and injured her, so, um, I'm gonna go ahead and suspend her for like two weeks. But, um, you might want to get a little lid on your characters because, uh, your your wrestlers, because, uh, we can't be having all of that. And I actually had the option is like you know what, triple h, you right, I'm gonna fire her ass or be like all right, triple h, boss, I, i'ma handle it, i'ma get it under control. Luckily, I like Lash Legend, so I didn't fire her.

Speaker 2: 48:48

However, there was someone who I did fire because they hit me with one of those things like Triple H's like hey, so, um, so and so didn't show up to, uh, didn't show up tonight. He's, he's not here. Um, I don't know what that's all about, so I'm gonna let you handle it. I'm like wait, so, and so's not here today. All right, cool, tell him his contract is up. Uh, he can stay wherever he went. He can stay there because he's fired. And uh, I'm gonna go ahead and collect what was left on that contract, because you're not going to no call. No, show me, buddy, and yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1: 49:27

That is crazy. So yeah, that is. I do remember stuff like that in the last GMOs I played previously, but I do love the idea of like Hunter, just like hey, yo injury, they did it, handle it. You're supposed to be boss. That's really funny. That's really funny.

Speaker 2: 49:48

That's new, because on the other game those particular things didn't happen.

Speaker 1: 49:54

No, they didn't.

Speaker 2: 49:56

I'm like, oh, so we changing because, listen, liv Morgan being like, hey, so I'm just going to be a good girl moving forward. So, um, figure that out. I'm like me figured. Oh, you're lucky I have you in a program with oscar right now and oscar is flexible, because otherwise we'd have a problem with all this just switching on me. No, no, we, I, I signed the paychecks. Keep that in mind. I will cut your push. All right, don't test me. Like it a little more gonna need to chill, you know oh my god oh, my goodness.

Speaker 2: 50:36

But the thing that I was originally getting at is the fact that if we actually did do the thing where we played, we played together and whatnot you'd be happy to know that ecw is a brand that you can have. However, to me, I feel there's a slight handicap with ecw, because ecw doesn't have a woman's title. You can't add belts. No, you can't add belts. So it's like and I think I believe originally ECW didn't have a woman's title.

Speaker 2: 51:14

They never had a woman's title because every woman there was besides Jazz was used for their body, pretty much unfortunately and so it's like with the ecw, one like you still have the tag team title, a tv title, I think, is what they used, and then they have the world heavyweight title, but they don't have any titles for the women. However, at the same time, those, I think, like that's their small, that's like one of their small handicaps that they have I think is it important to have a women's division as well.

Speaker 1: 51:48

Not saying that it's not, but like is it for the, the building of the, the manager and stuff like that?

Speaker 2: 51:54

yes, so, and the reason why I know that it is is because it's one of those things to have diversity on your match card, and so it was like you know, like, uh, the way that they because otherwise, because if you don't you might get hit in the ratings.

Speaker 2: 52:10

So it's like if you have a match card where it's nothing but dudes and whatnot and you don't have like at least one woman's match in there, then you know people are going to get bored of just the sausage fest. That would be your show that is interesting.

Speaker 1: 52:25

Well, you know what again with ecw, again the it was a lot more managers. So you have francine, you had don marie bitch, uh, and you have people like that and jazz and um, her name is not um uh, bass you had miss back, uh, I can't remember her first name. I feel bad because you know she, she was really a great addition to it, but again, every female presence, um, was either a manager. There wasn't a lot of wrestling, so I could see that. But as ECW and and this is a great moment to even talk about this Wow, yes, I am a WWE purist, but I am a die hard ECW fan. Like I introduced swag switcher to ECW and I, ooh, there's, there's something about good old Philadelphia 90s ECW that you just it reminds you of the black and gold NXT. It's a bunch of wrestlers who are really, really giving it their all to this promotion. They live and breathe this promotion and every match on that card is a banger in some way shape or form. It could be little guido versus chijiri and super, crazy, amazing cruiserweights. Okay, you can get the crazy, insane stuffys, those damn dudleys I uh.

Speaker 1: 54:05

To me greatest tag team of all time are the dudleys. I've met bully. I have met uh devon multiple occasions. I do have a bully story and I hope that if he ever watches this pod one day maybe there was a misinterpretation between us or something like that. But I I have met him in multiplications, great guy, and I think one time I might have asked a question that might have set him off. But to me, hands down, the Dudleys are the greatest tag team in my eyes. I cannot stress that enough Outside of the Hardys and Edge, but again, that is a particular era. But the Dudleys were just that damn good.

Speaker 1: 54:46

Um, also again 3d, best finisher in in the business. Best finisher um. How you know this is the best damn finisher is because that was a tag team move everybody did everywhere. If you remember how, when you go to the pool as a kid and we would sometimes do wrestling moves on each other, the biggest wrestling move you would do in the pool was a fucking 3d, no matter what listen, I honestly think one of the last times I was actually in a pool I got 3d'd exactly I think, if I'm not mistaken, my boy.

Speaker 2: 55:25

It was from my boy, antonio and the late great Cecil Boykin. They 3D'd me, I'm pretty certain.

Speaker 1: 55:34

And again, I've only wrestled A little bit in the industry, always again Back in high school stuff. I can't really say what is the safest move because I haven't really explored that much, but to me I feel like the 3d is just literally one of the safest moves to do, especially in a pool setting, because it's just like by the time you get to the water absolutely yes, I was I was gonna say safest, safest, wrestling move to do the lockup.

Speaker 1: 56:05

It's real safe yeah, I'm talking about in a pool setting. Sorry, but y'all lock up. Yes, absolutely, um now because of we?

Speaker 2: 56:17

because, because he was just talking about, that reminds me because I did do my homework, because for what we was just talking about, that reminds me because I did do my homework, because for what we was originally talking about we was going to be doing for this. He was says like hey, put drop down some questions or things and stuff like that. And so I was like I came up with like a list of uh, I was trying to come up with 10 and I fell short of it and I think we kind of sort of touched on a couple of these. But I'm going to just go down the list and whatnot, because I feel as if, with this being the introductory podcast, this these are in from watching other podcasts and seeing other people talk, I feel these were. These are relatively good, important questions to to throw out there and ask, and so okay so the first one.

Speaker 1: 57:07

Well, real quick, because I I know that these are going to be some good ones we're just going to dive into and I and I I didn't want to start the questions and then hit this break moment, but, uh, we are definitely getting ready to hit towards that hour moment. I want you to, guys, go ahead, get your snacks If you need to refuel, do all those things, and then we're going to pay a couple of bills. We're going to take a little small commercial break Not really this will be something of an ad in the future, but we're just going to give everybody an opportunity to take a break and refresh themselves and we're going to come back into this. And we're going to come back into this and we're going to go into swaps, which is questions. So, be right back, see you momentarily. We're gonna pay these bills and we're gonna get right into it.

Speaker 1: 57:49

Welcome back, guys, to the big brothers of destruction podcast and again here, talk about wrestling and everything wrestling, uh, in the wrestling world. But you know, one thing we probably should have did in earlier on was kind of introduce why do we call ourselves the big brothers of destruction? And, uh, swag. I, I know why I do, but I would love to hear for you, like outside of us just loving wrestling. How did we come up with today?

Speaker 2: 58:20

Um, that's actually a really good question. Hold on, cause. Um, that's actually a really good question. Hold on, cause. The big brothers of destruction started out slightly modified, but it's always been BBOD, and the BBOD was really just a moniker. So, for those who don't know, uh, prior to this we actually did well, I still do music, but we used to actually be part of a group that was collectively called mild fleet. That was more so like the production. The original group was just mild, which stood for music.

Speaker 2: 58:59

Intellectually lives down, and so there was this idea of you know, whenever me and him would be on a track, if we to come up with like a collective name that would just represent the two of us.

Speaker 2: 59:18

And so, going into cause, some of the questions I was going to ask was going to reveal this, but I am a big cane guy and so one of the things was you know the whole tag team that was the brothers of destruction and whatnot. That's like as because they were the best. I mean, the deli boys are a great tag team, but pound for pound, when it comes to power and the believability of literally destroying anything and everything that was on the face of the planet, that's what the brothers of destruction was and are, and that's how I always saw us, because there was no better team than this right here. Others were good, but they could not compare and therefore, considering what we was, that was what the bbod ended up being and that's that's where it kind of came to be, because it was the only thing that made sense you, you have a point there.

Speaker 1: 1:00:29

It definitely was a uh it it definitely because because of music like we, anytime we did music, anytime we dropped music, it was like it was a hit. Like it if we, if it wasn't a hit, it was definitely a bop, you know. So, while, yes, we are wrestling fans again, that's kind of why I was talking about before we always take something from wrestling and incorporate it, if not into a joke, or in our own reality, in our, in our world. So, with being the, the big brothers of destruction, I mean, yes, I am an Undertaker fan, while there are times we have talked about cosplaying or for Halloween, you being Kane and me being Paul Barrow, mainly because of the size and everything, but still, it would be perfect, oh yes, but it would be perfect Either way.

Speaker 1: 1:01:26

But still, the Undertaker and the Kane element is still big to us too. So, while I do agree, there is that level of power and representation that if you are going against Undertaker and Kane, you should be losing, and that's kind of how it felt for us when we were doing things musically. There was nobody that was better than us and what we were doing whether it was performing, whether if it was creating art we, we and I didn't ever find this out until later, until I started meeting people because, yes, we had our own area of doing music in our own community of doing it, but in an era that isn't currently how music is now, you had to literally find your artist. You know, you had to find them. Somebody had to introduce you to social media. Wasn't what it is now? And I feel like in an era that is social media now, if that was a thing, us popping, that would have happened, that that absolutely would happen.

Speaker 1: 1:02:28

But another time error, another conversation. But I will admit, during that time, hearing people enjoy what we did was always dope and you don't realize it until later on, and I think for any artist or any person that's doing craft. The minute somebody notices your craft, whether if it's wrestling, whether if it's art, it's always a beautiful feeling, and anytime we created that art was also a beautiful feeling too. But that is also why we come up with the big brothers of destruction, uh podcast. It's basically equivalent of undertaker, but in our own element and world.

Speaker 2: 1:03:07

So, um and uh, speaking of your questions, let's kind of dive into them, because I know we, we kind of we're in a bit of a a thing right now oh, yeah, yeah, we're, we're, uh, I mean, we've been going for a hot minute and we don't, we don't want to string everybody along too much and honestly, with the because of the, because these, these were thicker questions, so I might we maybe go through like the first couple and then maybe on the next podcast we'll we'll divulge into the other ones because, uh, because, they're, they're good ones.

Speaker 2: 1:03:42

So they're ones that will probably take some take a moment to think about. So the first one, all right, uh, because this is one that I see a lot of people do, and I know I've never asked this of you before. So the question is what is your when it comes to all time wrestlers? What would be your Mount Rushmore? And this is across the board, you're four, because the Mount Rushmore is four faces. So who are your? If you're going to have someone go up there and chisel it, whose faces are going on that mount rushmore for wrestlers?

Speaker 1: 1:04:28

and because I know you gotta think on it.

Speaker 1: 1:04:31

No, no, oh, you already got it, yeah yeah, yeah, I got, I kind of already have it. But the first one is immediately going to be controversial, and I know it because while again I've already stated I'm a huge, I'm a huge ecw fan, I am a huge new jack fan. New jack was my guy, like I mean, yes, austin was my guy too, but there was just something about new jack that was just he was. He was one of those people that you had to be there. You literally had to be there to understand it, because if I told you, if I tell you some of the things that new jack has done in his wrestling career, you would think what the fuck?

Speaker 1: 1:05:15

like and and for those who got to see new jack in his element whether if it was Smoky Mountain Wrestling, whether if it was an ECW, where he was the original gangster, new Jack the one thing I loved about New Jack and I see those elements in Moxley whenever he does those arena matches and his music still plays. And I also see this with oh I can't remember plays. And I also see this with um, oh, I can't remember uh enoki, when he did it too. Um, not enoki, not toni enoki. Um, nita, nita, nita, excuse me nita, but um. Whenever new jack's music would hit and he just wrestles through his entire track, the song was always the most fitting situation. And you know, with the weapons, with the crazy antics, the funny new jack was an experience. And now, wow, okay, there's something that's popping up in my brain. I don't know if I can express it just yet, but I used to love all of just the elements of new jack. Whenever he hit the ring, he again was an amazing promo guy because he was just real. Whatever he said, it was real when he hit the ring, with the weapons, everything, and I remember he used to always say this too. He would say I would get high so I can go and get and so he could jump off of what he can jump off. New Jack, like I said, is a crazy character and it's probably going to be controversial in some people's eyes because of some of the other things that he did. If you want to know what those, probably check the comment section. They're probably talking about it. But it's going to be.

Speaker 1: 1:07:00

New Jack, pentagon junior hands down is my guy too and I really I really need to sit some time now to make to have you watch lucha underground, because for anybody who is being being introduced to penta in wwe now, you, you really had to watch him in lucha underground. That is how you would get the truest form of who penta is, because yes, he was in tna, yes, he was in aew, yes, he obviously wrestles in you know mexican promotions and stuff like that, but when he was in lucha underground, he this is when his character fully fleshed out and you got to see all elements to him and who he was. And as I was introduced into um to lucha underground, when I first saw penta I was like this dude is badass, I'm sorry. He comes up with the settle miedo and boom, I was sold um. So penta, penta's on that mount rushmore and I really hope the best for him in this wwe run as um, as they say in wrestle talk, it should always be penta, it should always be penta. If you're gonna put something on somebody, it should always be penta. He should be doing something. Um, secondary is going to be or the third one is obviously going to be austin.

Speaker 1: 1:08:32

There's something about, as a 90s kid, you austin, was everything stone cold, steve austin was literally wrestling, literally wrestling. In the late 90s you couldn't go nowhere without seeing a Stone Cold shirt, a South Park version of a Stone Cold shirt or art or something like that. But the minute fans heard that, yes, fans heard that, yes, uh. But the minute fans saw the 316 promo that he did at the king of the ring, obviously everybody was sold. But to me, the best austin moment is obviously when mankind was going against the rock and the pop that stone cold gets whenever the glass breaks and you just know he is coming to fuck shit up and all he does is come in and just pops, rock with a steel chair and walks out and that's it. So it's something about any wrestler who's over to that extent where their literal music will be like holy snap, he's here, oh my god, like, and you didn't even think he was gonna show up, you know. And uh, so austin. So it was new jack, penta, austin.

Speaker 1: 1:10:02

And last one, this is the one that's really that I was kind of battling with in my head a little bit. Ah, man, because I had those three hands down Mount Rushmore, mm, mm, mm, mm, mm. I want to give it to Kevin Owens. Kevin Steen is, if you watched ROH and I want to emphasize this too it's between Kevin Owens, kevin Steen and Jay Lethal. Jay Lethal is also another person. If the Mount Rushmore could be split, it's those two. Because Ring of Honor if you got the chance to watch Ring of Honor back in the day, kevin Steen and also Jay Lethal were very great additions to that promotion outside of other people. But Kevin Steen going against El Generico, which is Sami Zayn, those matches were insane. Sammy zhang, those matches were insane. Uh, the phrase kill, steam, kill always resonated. I always wanted one of those shirts, always wanted one of those shirts.

Speaker 1: 1:11:20

But kevin owens going to the wwe was a great moment, not just for him and his family, not him, for just him and sammy, but as a big guy. You know you don't really get to see a lot of those big guys who are being pushed into our main event status because, as we all know from vince, he only likes chisel cut, muscular dudes. So for me and I also love taz taz wasn't really buff, he was a short, you know, chubby little guy or whatever. Yeah, bulky guy, you know. And those were the wrestlers. Like, as everybody who is a wrestling fan, you want to see wrestlers who I can see myself in them. And Kevin Owens I saw so much of myself in him, like I wanted to break out in wrestling.

Speaker 1: 1:12:16

I got into wrestling, uh, in my earlier years in high school until my dad prevented me from doing that, and every other time I wanted to get into it financially never had the ability to do it.

Speaker 1: 1:12:22

But to see people like Kevin Owens again going into the main event status at some point, it was just like, wow, he did it. He he's not as built, he's not as chiseled as everybody else. It was the same feeling for a lot of people who saw daniel bryan, when you know the main belt. But kevin owens, to me and I don't care what run he is it, I really I don't know why he has not had that. He has not had the main title, he has not had whatever main title was going on at times since his first run. And I feel like his first run, while it was great, it had that connection to jericho and it didn't give him a lot of chance to be kevin owens. So it was also pretty quick too, very quick, and that's what I'm saying. Same thing for Finn Balor he's very quick too and it was just like those really quick moments.

Speaker 2: 1:13:20

Listen. Finn Balor held the heavyweight title by as long as Kane first held the heavyweight title.

Speaker 1: 1:13:29

Yo, actually, actually, Well, actually, yeah, actually, yeah, literally, literally, that it's literally the same time frame.

Speaker 2: 1:13:40

It might have been a little shorter because? Because? Yeah, because you didn't have a match it's because because, well, because, uh, finn bowler won it at the pay-per-view in the final match against seth rollins and then the next night at the beginning of the night. So Kane actually got beat, because Kane lost his in a match where he had to relinquish it at the top of the show. So eat that definitely so.

Speaker 1: 1:14:08

Kevin Owens and then again Jay Lethal. Real quick, I'm going to go in this with Jay Lethal because it's kind of a given. We both love Black Machismo and TNA love Black Machismo. Great character to me. Nobody can do the Macho man better than him. Nobody can do Macho man better than him. And then to see him transition into ROH and become Jay Lethal, the, the best first generational, first generation wrestler, and his, his run with the house of truth, uh, I, oh, my god. I was a big fan of the house of truth and I had a partner at the time who, where I, anytime I stepped out the house, anytime I did something major, I would pop that. So we are the house of truth and she hated it. She hated it. So, um, but yes, though, that would be my mount rushmore. Again, new Jack. It is interesting because they're all from different promotions New Jack, ecw, penta, austin and then KO Technically Jay Lethal, but KO.

Speaker 2: 1:15:29

Not bad, not terrible, not bad, I'm kidding.

Speaker 1: 1:15:33

That's crazy. So for you swag switcher, I would love to hear now and this is going to be a new for me, because I don't think we've yeah, we've never had this conversation.

Speaker 2: 1:15:42

So, yes, please tell me who is in your mount rushmore so my rock was more and once again, just this is like all-time favorite types type thing, right you're all this is the all-time mount rushmore, and so my all-time route mount rushmore is it's actually, I mean it's. It's not as cool as yours, I'll be honest, but like, but uh, mine it's, it's, it's gonna be, it's bret hart, undertaker, kane and macho man so two federation error and then and two attitude well, technically, three federation technically and kind of one, I mean yeah, and so the reasons being is because without those four particular people I don't care about wrestling.

Speaker 2: 1:16:40

Because number one, bret Hart. Bret Hart is probably the first wrestler I ever identified in the very beginning of all of this. Bret hart is the. Bret hart is the earliest memory I can probably go by. I can't remember anything specifically that he had did at that time and whatnot. Because, like it's funny, because I go back and I look and I'm like, well, I didn't like him because of his promos and I know I didn't care about his in-ring ability at the time. He's great in the ring and he does have good matches and stuff like that, and so it, which is kind of sort of the theme.

Speaker 2: 1:17:29

For me it's always the it looks, it looks cool, it seems cool, so it has to be cool. And so Bret Hart was that cool thing that I saw with the glasses and the black and pink and all this other stuff.

Speaker 1: 1:17:45

You know what it is. I think that was your first time being introduced to swag, because he had a lot of swag, you know that's.

Speaker 2: 1:17:54

That's actually a good point to make there.

Speaker 1: 1:17:57

That's a very good point. He was mad drippy.

Speaker 2: 1:18:01

So nah, that checks. That really does check. That's a good observation on that one. And so then there's Undertaker. Because there is, because Undertaker is the epitome of just cool With the purple gloves, the lightning and whatnot, the dead man aspect of him he comes out, he's got the dope trench coat and the hat and everything and stuff like that. That quick time when he had the mask and stuff like that, that was the coolest thing ever, for me at least, because I thought the phantom of the opera mask.

Speaker 2: 1:18:40

Yeah I thought the mask was so dope. It's funny because I actually hear a lot of people like man, that mask was garbage. I'm like, wow, I thought it was great. I wish you kept it. But it's okay, because then his brother shows up and he has an even cooler mask.

Speaker 2: 1:18:58

And kane, god, kane, god listen, kane took cool to a whole other freak because number one kane is out here just bodying people left and right, which was crazy because that was what undertaker did. Now kane's doing this. Kane has this super cool theme song with this red in the fire and in the red, to be specific, because red's my favorite color. So I think he's got like this dope outfit that he wears thank god he didn't come out with the cape listen when I later on in life, when I saw the cape, I'm like fam, this cape is the shit.

Speaker 2: 1:19:44

But but let me put it this way, if Kane would have came out with the cape, I would have said Kane first before I said Brett, okay, cause, that would have been, that would have been core. I could have probably told you what I was wearing the day he came out there with this cape on and tore the cage, tore the gate off the cage, like you don't understand. I thought the cape was cool as fuck, but I also understood that the cape was not necessary and probably would have actually killed his character, and he would. I would have just really wished I got more of Kane with this cape.

Speaker 1: 1:20:30

So again, again it's the drip, it's you and drip. I got more of Kane with this cape, so again it's the drip, it's you and drip, because the cape would have made him drippy but also too mythical correct, correct.

Speaker 2: 1:20:45

I'm glad we didn't get cape Kane, because otherwise I would have missed out on so much more. And there's also the fact that, like when it came to wrestling, like from the time he showed up till the time he took, well, till the time he became corporate king we don't talk about corporate game, but like um, but up until that time, like like, even embrace the hate cane.

Speaker 1: 1:21:11

What even embrace the hate cane?

Speaker 2: 1:21:16

yeah, no, I fucked with it okay, okay, okay, okay.

Speaker 1: 1:21:20

I'm just curious because some people didn't like embrace the hate cane. But go ahead it was it.

Speaker 2: 1:21:24

It was because it was funny and it was just, it was a. It was a different cane and I was and I'm and I'm, I love all kane. But it was like, uh, kane throughout the years has done nothing but find ways to make me go crazy or pop over something or be like, oh man, that was amazing, that was cool and whatnot, freaking. One of my favorite memories of kane was the fact that so I'm at my first wrestlemania and this is the same wrestlemania where rick flair retired and, uh, there was a match where so chavo carrera was the ecw champion at the time and there was a dark match where there was this big battle royal that happened.

Speaker 2: 1:22:18

And as a Kane fan, you have to get used to the fact that Kane is what I call a main event jobber. He's always in the main event but he always loses to the person who they actually need to push, type thing. And so Kane was in that match and he actually just so happily won. I was like, oh well, that was a surprise. Now, of course, I did not know they was going to have him, to have him actually fight chavo at wrestlemania that night. So they show what match is coming up next and I just thought I was going.

Speaker 2: 1:22:59

I I didn't because I, if I remember correctly, he didn't do his pyro and stuff like that you know, at the, at the event, kind of thing. So it's like all right, cool, whatever, you know, blah, blah. But then, or for the, the, they didn't do his pyro and stuff like that for the, the battle royal. But then find out that he actually ends up fighting um uh, chavo guerrero at the pit at the pay-per-view and literally Pyro goes off. Kane comes out, wonder of the World is gone and everything dope theme song. He comes down and he steps into the ring. Chavo Guerrero runs to attack him. They ring the bell, he chokeslams Chavo Guerrero all the way to hell and he pins him and he wins the ECW title.

Speaker 2: 1:23:54

I lose my mind because I was not expecting number one. I really wasn't expecting to get Kane at this pay-per-view. But not only did I get Kane at my first ever Wrestlemania, but I got Kane at my first ever WrestleMania and he won the ECW title and I could cry. It is like all the times Kane has found a way to like make me pop severely crazy, like freaking the other one where he first took the mask off, like the day that he took is the day he took the mask off was literally right before my birthday. My birthday was supposed to be tomorrow. At this time I'm watching wrestling and then he takes the mask off and he chokeslams rvd so did you think that was an early birthday?

Speaker 2: 1:24:51

present, fam. As far as I was concerned yes, because, like you know, we all want to know what was under that mask he took that thing off and he chokeslammed so hard he freaking did with so much feeling of it. I felt that I was in my room doing cartwheels in circles like this this is, this is amazing all before my birthday, like and this is someone who don't really care about celebrating a birthday.

Speaker 1: 1:25:21

So I was, I was, I was elated kane always does it for me and then we got the, the most sinister version of kane after that, oh my god, yes oh listen.

Speaker 2: 1:25:35

Devastating and I loved every moment of it. I just I ate that with the towel and everything.

Speaker 1: 1:25:44

Oh, now. Oh, my god, that was oh that was a really that was great that was some peak kane fam.

Speaker 2: 1:25:51

He became the world heavyweight champion. That's, that's why I had to get that belt, because because my boy wore that one, so like, yeah, it was. And then the other bit, when I is being macho man because macho man as a child because I didn't grow up watching Macho man, randy Savage, but as a child, you know, because he always had the Slim Jim commercials I always really thought Macho man was really really cool. Anytime that he was in a video game I loved seeing him and loved playing at him. It wasn't until I got older and the internet I was able to really like, look and see macho man stuff.

Speaker 2: 1:26:36

And then I got to really know macho man, watching all of his promos, seeing his matches, seeing the kind of person that he was and stuff like that is like on so many levels I relate to Macho man as his character, because the parts that I relate to Macho man in the sense of is the fact that, especially when I'm in my element, whenever I'm in my hype mode and I'm like feeling myself type deal, it's like I I kind of think in a very macho man-esque way where I'm all like I know, I'm good, I know I'm that guy and I know that I should be right here, regardless of what anybody says or regardless of where anybody likes to put me. I know, even though I'm, even though you guys put me right here, I know I'm right there, I know I am. And Macho man is that purest energy of that. And you know macho, because macho man was always the guy.

Speaker 2: 1:27:56

He looked at hulk hogan. He's all like yeah, so like I see hulk hogan, but like I'm, I'm better than that. He's just holding my spot and no one's letting me. Or even more so, I know I'm better than hulk hogan, but no one wants to let me get in the ring with him. He's scared of me, and so until he decides to finally face me and whatnot, listen, I know I'm good. You haven't fought me to see how good you are. So what's what's, what it is and that's, and it's that particular bit that I'm like I resonate so hard with a macho man, randy Savage.

Speaker 1: 1:28:37

Because, everyone.

Speaker 2: 1:28:41

Well, not anymore, but metaphorically speaking, because boy oh boy, no one wants to be hulk hogan anymore.

Speaker 2: 1:28:53

But oh no, yeah, no, but, but. But, metaphorically speaking, everybody wanted that hulk hogan, wanted to be the hulk hogan and wanted that particular spot and whatnot. But macho man was like no, I don't want to be Hulk Hogan, I don't want his spot. I'm trying to be above that because I know I'm above that. That particular mentality that he carries is one that really resonates with me and made me even appreciate Macho man even more, outside of his wrestling and and whatnot. That bit. And then, of course, his promos are. His promos are fantastic and wild and when you listen to them it's like they are indeed complete madness, and there are times where it's all like Macho. I don't know where you're going with this, but because you're saying it with such confidence and whatnot, I believe the hell out of you.

Speaker 1: 1:30:07

You know it's interesting. You say that because that tells me and I realized that this person would have been on my Mount Rushmore until I met these people. But while you enjoy the craziness of a macho man promo, I love the sinister and evilness of a Jake the Snake promo there is something about a Jake the Snake promo.

Speaker 1: 1:30:30

Jake the Snake promo. There is something about a Jake the Snake promo. He doesn't have to raise his voice, but every word he says you better take that shit seriously. And knowing how our styles of wrestling is, I know if you got into the business fully you would not probably give a macho promo. But a very energetic promo is what you would probably give and for me I value the sinister nature of my words will speak everything I need to say. I don't have to show. You know the crazy reaction, but you better listen to what I'm about to say because when I go into that ring, oh yeah, it's gonna.

Speaker 2: 1:31:12

You know it's it's funny that you say that and uh, and, and uh, and. On that we'll probably have to yeah yeah and it's funny because it's like that was the only question, one that I had. There's, there's still like there's there's eight other questions, so we'll, we'll save those for later, but uh, because also this is actually don't want to, I don't want to jump too deep into it, because this is it gives them something to look forward, to give them something to look forward to.

Speaker 2: 1:31:38

Yeah, well, what I was going to say is the fact, because one of the questions that are later on in this kind of touches on that a little bit because when you were saying about the fact, like if you were and like if you was able to be in the business, I Especially when I was growing up With those characters that I really liked, I Always, if I was going to be a wrestler, I 100% wanted to be a Kane or an Undertaker. I, if I could have had my choice, I would have Grown six, seven and become really jacked and I wanted to be a monster. Hmm, I, cutting all the crazy promos or doing the rock stuff, like you know, I don't know. No, I, I wanted to be kane, I wanted to be undertaker, I wanted to be an abyss okay, that's, and even now I wish I could be what like that as a wrestler.

Speaker 2: 1:32:51

However, unfortunately I don't. I don't see myself tall enough to be an effective monster. You know what I'm saying? Like a braun strowman, a monster among men like I, I just wanted to be the person that would come out there and just grab someone and just toss them and throw them to the ground and and then whoever my manager is is out here hyping me up on some some wild stuff and then and then I just float over the rope and leave, kind of thing Like that's. That's what I. If I had my choice, I would have wanted to been a monster type thing.

Speaker 1: 1:33:30

However, I ain't got monster size, I ain't got that monster height, but but you know that is interesting and I definitely want to deep dive into that next episode because, as you say that you know, my ideal wrestler for me was Taz. I was like yo, if I can be anybody in the business, I want to be Taz. So bad, the Tanja Hanjime, the Taz mission was such a you want that it was Taz. There was something about Taz that was an aura that he is short because again, he's around my well, kind of almost my height. I'm a little bit taller than him, but as you were like, I want to be the monster taller than him, but as you were like, I want to be the monster.

Speaker 1: 1:34:16

Taz was a monster in ecw and whenever he popped up on screen as short as he was, when he got in that submission hole, you was done. So it's crazy. You say that because again, it sounds like we have, I guess, ideally the same desire in character, but, um, just different elements. You know where um and I also did this in some of my tech talks too where I just would cut promos, and I think I want to do that again uh, as in future content, you know we'll dive more into that, but I want to say I do appreciate the fact that we get to do this.

Speaker 1: 1:34:55

You know we we've talked about doing things like this either a podcast or just fleshing out, uh, making content in general together and, um, this is a journey that I'm looking forward to, where we could do this every Sunday and in post the next day and again.

Speaker 1: 1:35:16

You know we doing our raw reviews, smackdown reviews, as well as things like AEW, and you know we definitely want to see if there's particular content you guys would like to us to consume and talk about, because we would love to hear from you as we are growing as a channel, as a podcast, as a source for wrestling content. We only can grow to be better for you guys if we know also you guys would like to see from us. So, as a pilot episode, I feel like this is a great thing. Actually, it opened some doors for us to even know certain things I didn't even know about you and your wrestling background and even our first encounters with us as kids. There were some things we just never talked about again and we just as friends, as brothers, for years, once we meshed out, we've been in autopilot mode and and I and to have this deep dive of a conversation.

Speaker 1: 1:36:12

It's like, wow, I didn't know that, okay, cool. So, uh, I feel like you didn't ask and I was like it's true, but, um, I feel like, as we continue this, uh, hopefully I I now I kind of want to do a segment is, let me show my friend, or something like that, because I do want to be able to show things like lucha underground. I do because I also I did watch brett, but I didn't watch brett in a sense of wow, why is he so drippy, why is he so cool to kids? I just watched him for the technical wrestling. So I feel like these are things we could do and incorporate as well. So, uh, lock in, guys. This is, this is gonna be an amazing journey where we going to be here giving you this content and being wrestling fans who are let alone not passionate about wrestling, who live and breathe wrestling, but we are just lovers of the game. Okay, and as the big brothers of destruction, as the big brothers of destruction, this is going to be us signing out.

Speaker 2: 1:37:17

It is your boy.

Speaker 1: 1:37:17

It's the masako swag switcher in the building, as I always say uh, it's funny because I kind of took your thing just right there because it's your boy. That was awesome and I just realized. I just realized that's all right but we'll listen.

Speaker 2: 1:37:34

It's the first episode. We'll last slide, we'll, we'll. We'll sort that out in the back end.

Speaker 1: 1:37:39

You know we gotta that's the thing as brothers. That's the thing as brothers we take certain elements from each other as brothers and we incorporate them as, like yo, that's my way of connecting with my brother, even though he's not there.

Speaker 2: 1:37:53

I mean, I appreciate you. I know my catchphrases are great. However, that's not going to work for me. Brother, you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 1: 1:38:03

Oh my gosh, here we go, brother Brother.

Speaker 2: 1:38:08

That's not going to work for me there, brother. And a macho, oh fam oh, fam, listen, don't even get me started with the macho man thing, because and I'm gonna say this because I know we guys sign off- yeah I um, I just got done because I'm a dnd guy, right, I play a lot of dnd.

Speaker 2: 1:38:26

You could probably see the dice over here because I also do dma. Well, I created, uh, a character who went by. He was the red blooded he-man, vandel the savage, and he was a uh, he was a barred barbarian, um, and I pretty much modeled him off of Macho man, and so when we would play in role play, I would literally do the game in Macho Man's voice, and so literally, my character is like I am the red blooded he man Vandell the Savage, yeah, and I would literally for I am the red-blooded He-Man Vandell the Savage, yeah, and I would literally for eight hours with these guys, just full Macho man, randy Savage.

Speaker 1: 1:39:22

That is a true wrestling fan. Right there, it's a thing.

Speaker 2: 1:39:27

And it's fun and it's one of those things like it pops everybody. Because I have consumed so much Macho man and there's actually a great YouTube that I watch that literally just has gone through and collected Dang near all of like Macho Man's, like all of his promos, and he has them like like different eras and different segments all of his promos. And he has them like like different eras and different segments anything the only things that he doesn't have. Yet he hasn't been able to get his hands on a lot of his wcw promos but like from like all the way back to like when he was uh, randy savage in like the, his dad's promotion. So before he was, you know, super crazy, he used to wear like this, these little glasses and this freaking little hat, like like before he went bandana savage before elizabeth he's got a couple of things from there. Before he really started talking with the and putting the rasp in his voice and everything you know, he actually kind of sounded relatively normal before he just went full gimmick voice all the time like he's got promos from back then.

Speaker 2: 1:40:40

So it's like I would literally leading up to the game like I would like, while I'm at work I would just listen to macho man promos for like three hours and then I'll listen to it like for about like an hour prior to playing the game. So then, once now I'm in the game, I've been listening to this man's mannerisms and the way he says things. I'll jot down and save some of his special catchphrases so I'll just drop it. In whatever game that we're doing, you know I'll be like so like they will be like so what's going on? Like where are you? Where are you like? Well, I'm thinking about getting a little funky like a monkey. You know different things like that and stuff like that. It so, it, it was, it's a. It was a great time.

Speaker 1: 1:41:26

I'm gonna miss that character oh, man, you know the way you made it sound like. It's like bruiser brody and macho combined, because you say the the barbarian, and bruiser brody was definitely like a barbarian. So, um, but you know these. Like I said, these are elements about us as wrestling fans. We can incorporate from wrestling and put it to our real world or our other universes, like dnd. But uh, again, I'm gonna let you do it this time again. Guys, thank you for watching. Um, I am the masaku so you'll find yours.

Speaker 2: 1:42:01

It's your boy swag switch in the building. We're getting ready to sign off and do stay tuned because from the day when this gets posted, there's going to be the raw review later on. So, we'll be getting on into that. Outside of that, don't forget, there's literally an AEW pay-per-view.

Speaker 1: 1:42:21

Tonight, yes, tonight. Oh man, I got to find out what to make tonight. But yes, thank you guys so much. We will see you tomorrow. Until next time.