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S Rank
Wrestling has been such a vital part of our lives that we're still using a ranking system from Sonic Adventure 2 to rate matches and episodes, going from E (complete poodoo) to S-rank (perfection).
• Explaining how the Sonic Adventure 2 ranking system translates to wrestling ratings
• Defining what makes an S-rank match – from Undertaker vs Mankind Hell in a Cell to Swerve vs Hangman Page
• Comparing WWE's WrestleMania buildup to AEW's Double or Nothing preparation
• Introducing our "Discus Lariat" concept for spicy wrestling predictions
• Launching "Boiler Room Hot Takes" for controversial wrestling opinions
• Revising Mazoku's wrestling Mount Rushmore: Pentagon Jr, Stone Cold, New Jack, and Jake the Snake
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welcome to another big brothers of destruction podcast episode.
Speaker 2:It's the masako and it's your boy swag switcher in the building and uh, we got some uh interesting topics here today.
Speaker 1:We've kind of uh weighed on it a little bit with uh bringing up these excuse me, the sonic uh ranking system that we keep using for our episodes, like when it comes to, uh, what are we ranking the the show, or something like that. So we wanted to bring that up to you today. Uh, we also wanted to talk about we've also referenced disket lariat, what it means to us in our segments as well, so we definitely want to take some time to give you an explanation on what that means. And uh, swax, which has a, a new take, he also wants to add into it as well, outside of disket lar. I'm going to let him explain what that is as well in the episode, and then you know, we're finally going to wrap it up with those questions. Swag threw me some haymakers last time. I didn't know how to handle them In the moment. I made some very rash decisions.
Speaker 1:Yes, very rash decisions. I feel like you know off my judgment they weren't justified. I feel like you know off my judgment they weren't justified. I feel like in the moment I was pushing to a corner, saying, oh, I guess these guys, you know, you know, you know, when you're trying to please everybody, please the masses, that's, that's what it was for me in that moment and I was like, ah, I'm a little torn here.
Speaker 2:You realize these, these picks aren't for me, these are for the fans. Let me do this for myself real quick.
Speaker 1:Exactly. A lot of it was that it was just like all right, these are not actually my decisions. This is appeasing the fans and, first and foremost, in the game what.
Speaker 2:Well, before you continue, because it just looks a little funny to me uh, the your, uh, your view on the camera. It's like you're in view, but your microphone is censored dirty words, dirty words it just looks. It just looks funny because it's like when you go like this, like whenever your body like goes behind it, like it's still censored to a certain degree I think it's because I just moved it to you it was just something that caught my eye that was kind of hilarious.
Speaker 1:But please, please, no, you're good, I was just guys. If you're enjoying our episodes, if you're enjoying our content, please, if you have not, like and subscribe. We definitely have more content coming away while we're going over again wrestling topics and just things that we enjoy in general as nerds or as blurbs to say. So please stay tuned and, again, like and subscribe on the video. So let's get right into it. Swag switcher man. We've been talking about this ranking system for the last couple of episodes, the reviews, and, while we are big fans of this game Sonic Adventures, battle 2, honestly, to say the least, it was a very big part of our childhood. We spent multiple, if not days, if not months, playing this game and it is, it's literally a part of our lives to the point where we're using this ranking system on a regular basis.
Speaker 2:Sonic Adventures, battle 2, for Especially like for you and I, and even more so just for myself, because I've always been a big Sonic fan.
Speaker 2:Sonic is my guy all right, sonic fan through and through and through. The good times and the bad Boy oh boy, there's been some bads, but listen, like the street prophets say, for sonic the prophets are up. So, as you know, but the amount of influence that sonic adventures 2 has had on our lives there you could, I could almost say that sonic adventures 2 has, to a certain degree, has guided us to the point that we are at right now as far as with what we do, the way we think and just kind of sort of like the way our lives has turned out. Because, going all the way back to it, back when me and him were both rapping and we had the group mild fleet kind of thing, the only reason why mild fleet and shout out to maharishi, the only reason he's not dead, he's alive yeah, I was gonna say that, bro, I was crazy he's, he's, he's very much alive, he's, he's good, he's, he's, he's good.
Speaker 2:But the reason why that we even got to the point where mild became a thing was literally because we wanted to rap on a instrumental version of Meteor Herd, which is a Knuckles level in the game.
Speaker 1:I thought it was originally. When we heard the Fly in the Freedom one, I thought it was that one.
Speaker 2:No, that came after.
Speaker 1:Okay, okay.
Speaker 2:We was looking for Meteor Herd, we was trying to find an instrumental. And we're scouring the internet for an instrumental version of Meteor Herd and it didn't exist, which was crazy, because for other Knuckles' levels there were instrumentals that were out there but not for meteor herd. And then I stumbled upon somebody who had made their own instrumental, like it was an instrumental for meteor herd but it was more. But they kind of made it like their own way and they kind of flipped it type deal. And that person was maharishi and I was like yo, you think I finally found one, you think this dude would let us uh rap on it. And he was all like send me his information and I'll hit him up. I sent him the information, he will hit him up. And the next thing I know he was all like hey, yo think you want think he'd be cool with joining, making a group with us. And I was like sure, why not? He was more like yeah sure that's cool.
Speaker 1:You gotta remember Maharishi. He didn't really have a lot of charisma. It was like yeah sure we can do that, that's cool, can you guys rap?
Speaker 2:Yeah, literally him. Literally, it was like okay, cool.
Speaker 1:Okay, cool.
Speaker 2:Fail. You're actually nailing that right now.
Speaker 1:Shout out to my friend Shadow.
Speaker 2:Shadow Fox, good gosh, but yeah, so, and it was from that. A three-way conversation happened on the phone and we figured out the name Mild from kind of like a. It actually started as like a combination of our rap names kind of thing, and then Mild eventually became music, intellectually lives down, and the rest was history and it was all based off of sonic, sonic adventures 2, and there have been several sonic adventures 2 battle tracks that we've flipped and wrapped on and all this other stuff. So fast forward into now this ranking system that we're coming up with, which we have now discovered we were jumping the gun a little bit on the ranking system, because the original ranking system only goes from e to a however, what about the s's then?
Speaker 2:so I actually don't know where we got the s's.
Speaker 1:I could have sworn there was s's in there. No, you know what you're right now? Yeah, okay, so then, yeah, it's. So it is only a because. Yeah, a was that was cool.
Speaker 2:I could have sworn it was s listen, I was thinking as well, but it was like I double-checked and I looked it up and I'm like, wait a second, wait a second. So the S rank is like I actually don't think, I don't think, in any of them at least, from the E, to A kind of ranking system, because there's been different ones throughout the games, you know, for the different games that have come out. So it's like I think s's came out at a later time. But the other thing is, most of the times when they have the rankings, they either only have, it's, either four ranks or five. So it's like it's either like the ones that I've seen that go to s, they drop off e, and then it just goes from d, c b, a and stuff.
Speaker 1:you know what that makes sense, because a lot of games do stuff like that is they'll have like s as super um, but all reality their ranking system is from, you know, like a, a very bad grade, to an A or an S, and I think I don't know what my brain was that it made it think that S was a ranking, so anyway. So I guess any of those rankings that we gave before that were A's technically were B's, and any ranking that we gave a B was now a C.
Speaker 2:Correct, and there was a part of me that when we was given those rankings I was thinking to myself I'm like this is feeling a bit high, and I know myself. You know I always say I'm very Paula Abdul when it comes to ranking and judging things, especially when it comes to people around me, and I see you giving me a little that crazy look. So I'll explain. This is going all the way off of original american idol. We have randy jackson, who's the the cool, like he'll give you a yeah, that was good. Or I'll be real with you, that wasn't good. And then we have simon cowell, who is the hard ass when it comes to ranking and unless it was really, really good, he's not going to say it was good. He only says things that are good.
Speaker 2:If it completely was a blow-you-out-of-the-water type deal, paula Abdul, you could sound like ass and she'll be all like oh baby, bless your heart. You know, you really did try. You know what I'm saying. But she sees someone who almost rarely ever says you know what that was actually just not good, that's, that's. That's never been her thing. She, she will find something good to say about it, and that's kind of sort of how I am when it comes to ranking and judging a lot of things, or at least within my friend, click because, like I've, because a lot of my friends they're very, very strongly opinionated and they'll be all like we'll go see a movie and I'll be in and I'll wait for everyone else because it will be all like uh, yeah, that movie was mid in my mind. I'm like mid, that shit was great, I don't. And then I'll hear them start talking about I was like the things that they're like nitpicking about the movie and I'm all like I I actually kind of like that part.
Speaker 1:I don't I'm sorry you might not have watched that resident evil movie that was like the blend of resident evil 1 and 2, but I was in that theater roasting that shit, Roasting it. And my wife is sitting here like babe. I'm like no, this is not what it, this is not. And people in the audience are like yeah, that's not. I'm like, yeah, what is this?
Speaker 2:So, oh See then prime example. I mean, granted, there has been very few movies that I've gone to see and I can say that I've legitimately gave it a negative rank. The first one that came to my mind was the X-Men Apocalypse movie.
Speaker 1:I never watched that. I never watched it because I kept hearing it was bad. But the homie that was Ivan Ooze was in it, so I was like maybe.
Speaker 2:No, it was ass, absolute ass.
Speaker 1:But Psylocke though.
Speaker 2:She was fine as hell, but bad. I don't want to say she herself was bad in the movie, it's just the movie was bad, it just wasn't good to me, okay, it wasn't, it wasn't justifiable. If you are someone who, like even even myself though I'm not a person who necessarily reads the comic books like that there are certain things that I that that I know and I'm like, yeah, no, you don't change that from the comic book. You know what I'm saying? Like the way that they presented Apocalypse, like was bad, like it just it was, it was. It didn't line up. And then there was like it was poodoo.
Speaker 2:And it was like what?
Speaker 2:There was like this weird, and I'm not even going to say spoilers if you haven a skill though but there was like this thing, because you know how, like apocalypse you know he has, like where he kind of morphs himself and you know he can grow big and stuff like that, like that, only that happens in a dream in the movie, like it doesn't actually happen, like yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. There was just certain things and certain portrayals that they did for apocalypse that was just like booty. And because of how booty that was, I didn't watch the next movie that came out, which was like the whole phoenix situation. I do kind of want to see it, just so I can know what happened and just because that one I heard was an absolute. What's the word? I'm a dumpster fire, that's the word I'm looking for, that's the phrase. But so, yeah, those movies, going back to what we were just talking about, full on, he barely made it.
Speaker 1:OK. So in the perspective of ranking, basically he is complete poodoo. It is ass. It is is the worst of the worst. All right, it's the worst thing you can experience. Right a d is like that one star ranking review that you give a location. It's like yo the serve, the. The thing was ass. But there was a customer, there was a um employee that was so sweet. They, they made the experience, even though I got ass service. But they were just so sweet and I feel like they're just, they're just they're just doing, but still poodoo. Okay, still poodoo. Um.
Speaker 2:See, you barely made you well, see first off this phrase poodoo. Where did that come from?
Speaker 1:basically, it's not saying dookie without saying dookie, so poodoo. I just made it up poodoo. This is an original poodoo saying Dookie.
Speaker 2:So Poodoo, I just made it up Poodoo. Oh, this is an original Poodoo. Got it, got it. Okay, poodoo, it is Well. So C ranking ain't that bad. C is like, c is mid.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you barely made it Dang. Nah it's mid. C is mid. Yeah, you barely made it dang nah. Nah it's mid. Nah, it's mid, it's mid.
Speaker 2:I was just being mean well, I see where you come from. Very hard judge over here. I'm Simon hell yeah, I don't think you're quite a Simon Cowell, you're closer to a Randy Jackson.
Speaker 1:No dog, that ain't for me, no dog.
Speaker 2:No dog, that ain't for me. But yeah, C is mid, c is like it was bad, but there was enough good to make it tolerant, which is definitely what AEW is or has been, but you know the hate does not stop.
Speaker 1:The hate does not stop. We got some great people there. We just got some great people there. We just got some shit, storytelling All right, that's it, that's it.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, c, c rank right there, all right.
Speaker 1:And now, what are you giving WWE? Were you going to get?
Speaker 2:an A, you're giving it an A. No, no, no, no, no, no, no. So hear me out here, okay, and because I I thought about this while watching smackdown the other night and um, and and I mentioned it in the smackdown review a little bit, but it's like, though I can't seem to help do it wwe versus aew right now. It's unfair to compare the two, because wwe is in wrestlemania season, right yes, yes.
Speaker 2:So it's like they are firing on all cylinders yes they are, as seamus would say, banger after banger, after banger, after banger, after banger, after banger, while AEW they're like early mid-season.
Speaker 1:Burger after burger? Yikes, no, because you brought up the Seamus thing and it was burger after burger.
Speaker 2:Burger after burger, but realistically speaking, yes, Because AEW, they have a pay-per-view coming up. What is it next?
Speaker 1:weekend, all In.
Speaker 2:All In next weekend, which, what do they consider their WrestleMania?
Speaker 1:I could have sworn it was either all out or all in. I could have sworn.
Speaker 2:Cause, cause, cause. Well, I was about to say, isn't it? Isn't it Wembley, like when they go to the Wembley stadium.
Speaker 1:So they're not doing Wembley. I think that's why they're doing it in Texas, because that's why I think All In is supposed to be it, or it's either All Out, I can't remember.
Speaker 2:God, we'll have to check or see if, because every wrestling pay-per-view, every company has their Wrestlemania.
Speaker 1:Let me look it up AEW's Wrestlemania.
Speaker 2:Is TNA's equivalent of Wrestlemania was. I think it's Bound for Glory.
Speaker 1:The biggest question out of the four pay-per-views anyway, the biggest matches Double or Nothing, all Out, full Gear Revolution. I want to say it's pay-per-views anyway the biggest matches double or nothing, all out, full gear revolution. Um, I want to say is double or nothing. But let me see, uh, double or nothing is the equivalent of all elites big event. So double or nothing is a wrestlemania, I guess. Okay. So dub.
Speaker 2:and when is double or nothing is a WrestleMania, I guess. Okay, so, and when is double or nothing?
Speaker 1:Double or nothing. Let's see when was the last one, may. May was 2000. Let me see. Hold on, double or nothing.
Speaker 2:If it's May, that means that actually.
Speaker 1:Yeah, may, yeah, may.
Speaker 2:Oh. So that means Okay, means okay. Oh. So this will be a nice thing to actually compare then. Then I can really talk my shit if it's necessary. Because so where wwe has wrestlemania, uh, tna, their, their big pay-per-view, their WrestleMania is bound for glory. And where AEW, their big one is what was it you said again, double or nothing? Is theirs is double or nothing?
Speaker 1:And then New Japan.
Speaker 2:Wrestle Kingdom. So there you have that. It's like so when it comes to the lead up, right now, the EWs they're firing on all cylinders right now. And so it's like so when it comes to the lead up, right now, the AEW they're firing on all cylinders right now. And so it's like they're doing crazy wild stuff every night. There is something to keep you locked in, hanging on and whatnot. And currently, aew if theirs is in May, we're about to go into April right now, or at least when this airs, it will on I forget how many days are doing so tomorrow so it'll almost be april, but, um, but.
Speaker 2:So I guess now, now that I've made this distinction, I'm gonna have to have to pay attention. I'm going to really be paying attention to AEW right now because AEW should be ramping it up, because April, may if May is when their big pay-per-view is they should be. Actually, I shouldn't even say that they are on the road to their personal wrestlemania right now, technically, because, comparably speaking, you know, the road to wrestlemania for wwe starts in january, which is with the royal rumble, and so the last pay-per-view AEW just had that should have been their Royal Rumble. You know like, oh snap, we're about to go.
Speaker 1:Actually, I would say it's this one, because the Owen Hart classic is the equivalent of that, because, as the Royal Rumble is the match that gets you the the main event at mania, the Owen Hart classic is the one that gets you the guaranteed main event.
Speaker 2:Okay, alright, so.
Speaker 1:I would say it's technically this one.
Speaker 2:So then they just have a shh. Their row is just a little smaller in comparison, because from the Royal Rumble there was what was it? Backlash? That's in between.
Speaker 1:Backlash happens after Mania, so it's only Elimination Chamber.
Speaker 2:Okay, it was Elimination Chamber.
Speaker 1:Yeah, they got rid of Roblox. Roblox is now an NXT pay-per-view.
Speaker 2:That's right. So we had the Elimination Chamber, which was kind of like that in-between buffer between WrestleMania, and now we have this long-ass road to the actual show. Actual show as where, for them, they're going to have this next pay-per-view that airs next weekend, if I'm a state, if I'm right and then after that pay-per-view because that, because that pay-per-view happens in april, they have from april to may to get me completely locked in for their WrestleMania of sorts kind of thing, double or nothing I need them and it's like and they're going to have a shorter amount of time to prepare, like what WWE does for their WrestleMania being double or nothing, and so it's like I'm now. Now I'm going to be interested to see how they keep me locked in, like how WWE did. They're not. I understand that. So I'm not going to.
Speaker 1:So you're telling me, so you're telling me. So you're telling me, if they the situation that they're pulling right now, if Hangman, adam Page wins Owen Hart Classic and Swerve wins the title, that means we're automatically getting a double or nothing. The rematch again, you're telling me, that's not going to get you invested.
Speaker 2:Yes, that will, but that's one thing.
Speaker 1:Okay, one, okay, okay, okay, okay, outside of pull away. Okay, hold on, okay. So you got you got Outside of. Okay, hold on, okay. So you got Cena and Okay, you got Cena and Cody. You got Roman, cm, punk and Seth. I know you're gunning for the Charlotte match. I know that I won't even count that one. Yeah, I was about to say that's a little biased. I know you're looking for the Naomi and Jade Cargill one. That one, we could all say that one Kind of want to believe that you were looking forward to the Jacob Fatu and Braun Strowman. I feel like you're going to look forward to that.
Speaker 2:I mean yes, but I won't even count that one either, especially since that was not even official yet. Yeah, we off off camera, we speculated that that's probably definitely going to happen.
Speaker 1:There's no fucking way, that's not, there's no fucking way, it's not. That's that's. That's at least the starter of mania. That's a starter of mania. That's the first. Oh yeah, yeah, a starter of me. That's the first. Oh yeah, um yeah. So okay, out of those three, those are the biggest ones that are like okay, you, you gotta see what the fuck happens, uh, and then, yes for aw, they have swerve and hangman page they got that.
Speaker 2:They got one right now and that's and that's believing that that's what they're going to do.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's believing. Yeah, I don't know so it's like.
Speaker 2:and then there's the whole fact of like because, yes, those, we could say that, those three, potentially, to a certain degree, you could say five in all, but I chose not to count those. But those, right now, those are like the big three that I'm just like, ooh, yeah, I'm trying to see how this ends up turning out, which was, if I remember, we did the it's the Bianca's match. How that's going to go the the Cody situation.
Speaker 1:Oh, not the, not though the Naomi and Jay Cargill ones. I said.
Speaker 2:Oh, okay, so Naomi and Jade, I would add the Bianca one, because that whole situation is great. And then we have seen a situation that's going on and then the the big three, but Roman reigns considers then the big three, but Roman Reigns considers himself the big me and stuff. So it's like, and the thing is that one wasn't really on my list until Smackdown. Smackdown made me kind of start caring about it just a little bit more and so, but we're going to see where that goes and so that is four matches out of that. Those are, and those are the four I'm going to count for right now because and those, so those are four matches, four big got me locked in because of the things that have been happening on the show. Matches that I'm like, all right, let's do it Right now. They AEW potentially has one going into their WrestleMania season of sorts. So it's like, and they only have, did they give a date on when that's going to be Double or nothing?
Speaker 1:Yeah, May 25th.
Speaker 2:So May 25th, so May 25th. So looking at my little calendar here, so if the next pay-per-view is, I think, on the 6th, if I'm not mistaken their pay-per-views are usually on Sunday and that's what 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7. So they got like, after that pay-per-view they got about four, five, six, seven. So they got like, after that pay-per-view they got about seven weeks, ish, six to seven weeks to put some things together to get that pay-per-view feeling like it's WrestleMania quality and worth the money or time to want to purchase, type thing. So, which is a lot of time. They have a lot of time. I believe they can do it between their two and a half shows and I say and a half because of Ring of Honor, oh, actually, you know what I thought about it.
Speaker 1:Anything involving Toni Storm. I don't give a flying fuck what she does. Anything involving Toni Storm. I'm there for it there, yes, bitch, I ain't gonna lie. Tony Storm is the main reason why I'm matching AEW right now. That's the main freaking thing I'm watching for fam.
Speaker 2:Aew believes that and they understand it too. That's why, tony Storm, things have been at the end. Think about that. Yeah, the woman's champion is more important. Been at the end. Think about that, yeah, yeah. Yeah, the woman's champion is more important than everything else. I wasn't going to single him out like that, I was just going to say everything else.
Speaker 1:You don't like Jon Moxley, so yeah, go ahead and do it. Go ahead and do it. Go ahead and do it.
Speaker 2:However, to their credit, they have at least, out of everything that's been going on for this next pay-per-view that they got coming up, they have at least got me interested in wanting to see that match between moxley and Swerve.
Speaker 1:Because it's hopefully going to be a death match. I hope.
Speaker 2:Because leading up to it I haven't cared about anything with the heavyweight title and I think AEW realizes no one cares about anything with the Death Riders and whatever belts that they have. You proved it the other night that no one cares. That's why I sent Potney to come back home to WWE. At least we will recognize the fact that he's a champion and doing something in WWE, probably as opposed to him, just as opposed. Listen, maybe they'll bring back the triangle.
Speaker 1:Look, if they, like I said, if they bring back Death Triangle, it's over for AEW, for me it's over, I'm done you give me Death. Triangle I'm done. I will no longer probably be singing the praises of AEW Because it's like nah, you got my trio back. I'm done. But they're never going to do trios in WWE, so that's why.
Speaker 2:No, and they don't need to. I mean, like WWE has enough belts, wwe has enough belts and I think right now, to a certain degree, they've been giving the belts that they have. They've been giving the belts that they have a decent enough shine throughout everything. And that's even with the fact because there's, with the two tag team champions, two intercontinents, and then the women's have their intercontinentals and stuff like that, have their intercontinentals and stuff like that, but their tag team titles are still just, there's only one tag team yeah, I was about to say there's only one tag team title now.
Speaker 2:I thought yes, there's still only one tag team title yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, they unified them, yeah, yeah it's funny because because it's like one of those deals, because there's there is, there's title is, but they actually mirror the, the, except for tag team. They mirror the men's titles, but there's only one tag team as opposed to wait, no, the war raiders.
Speaker 1:What are we talking about? The war raiders are tag team champions. That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 2:I was saying the fact that the the women's tiles, they mirror the men's uh belts until you get to the tag team titles, because where the men still have two, you get to the tag team titles. It's where the men still have two belts, two different tag team belts, the women only have one, which is fine because they don't need more, because there's not enough women on the main roster to do something like that. Now one could argue and say that you could put a permanent women's tag team title in the nxt roster, because there's there's a lot of girls down there as well, but the women's tag team belts travel around, kind of thing, which me personally, I feel that the women's tag team titles someone in NXT should get them so that they can be more spotlighted, kind of thing. I mean, they're doing a decent job right now because the women's tag team titles are currently with Judgment Day, so it's like we're seeing them.
Speaker 1:It's because it's on the internet, Morgan. That's it, yeah.
Speaker 2:I mean, yeah, but they're being spotlighted, You're seeing them every night, you're noticing them, and there is people trying to get to a point where they can get to those belts.
Speaker 1:No, we're just trying to get to live, morgan, that's it.
Speaker 2:Wow, that's what we're doing, huh.
Speaker 1:Who's not trying to get on live? Who's not? Who's not?
Speaker 2:Who's who's not trying to get on live who? Who's not, who's not, who's not fail? That is all right. You, you're, you're, you're boosting. I I'll boost live morgan too, but I ain't saying she all that like okay okay, okay, okay.
Speaker 1:So so who is you saying? It's all that.
Speaker 2:Who is all that right now, as far? As women goes. Yeah, yeah, yeah, bianca Belair, who else?
Speaker 1:I mean you do got a point. I am more of a Jade Cargill though.
Speaker 2:I am more of a Jade Cargill so with Jade, because I would also say her too, because I would also say her too. But it's one of those things where she is to me she's in a still working to get to a certain spot type.
Speaker 1:I'm not talking about wrestling. I'm talking about appeal.
Speaker 2:Oh, oh, if you're going to talk about appeal.
Speaker 1:That's why I was making the Liv Worgen comment because of the appeal, Not from the. Yeah, If we're talking about appeal, that's why I was making the Liv Morgan comment because of the appeal, Not from the.
Speaker 2:If we're talking about appeal, then I have to retract Bianca and I have to throw out Rhea Ripley.
Speaker 1:You do have See, hold up. You know what? I'm not gonna say that I don't care. I know why Because, muscle Mommy, that'd be tickling some motherfuckers, some tickling some motherfuckers. Fancies, yeah, yeah, yeah plus.
Speaker 2:I mean don't get me wrong, I like getting my Liv Morgan on TV every single night, but I also prefer getting me some Rhea Ripley on tv every single night, as and as far as the appeal goes like it's one of those things where it's like I wish rhea ripley was in a better light right now.
Speaker 2:But, as we all know, that triple threat is about to be a thing with that whole title situation and so everything is going to be made right in this whole title situation and so everything is going to be made right in this universe kind of thing. Now, the only thing when it comes to live morgan is the fact that which is the reason why I said her having the tag team titles kind of sort of helps the tag team titles you know be worthy, is the fact that not only is she on TV every night type deal, but it's like she herself is doing big things and winning her matches and is incorporated with a big angle, whether or not it's always like it's showing their importance, which is something that AEW has a hard time doing sometimes.
Speaker 1:Because they have timeless Anyway. So getting back to the original topic, the ranking system. So E complete ass D ass but polished ass C D Ass but polished ass C Mid B, it's just fine. Just fine, he's good yeah. B's just fine A, the best of the best of the best, as Men in Black reference right there.
Speaker 2:The best of the best of the best, the best right, the best of the best of the best. However, I think allowing there to be a s rank would make some make things even more special, because s is perfection yes not something that should be passed around often and whatnot, but damn near rad, might as well call it perfect do you?
Speaker 1:do you have a? Do you have a pay-per-view in mind or a match in mind that you would consider as an s rank? Just to, just to get? Just to get? No, since you like throwing questions at me like that, just to put you on the spot, can you give me an s rank pay-per-view, if not s rank match, so that way the audience has an idea of what a rank is. That s rank is a s rank pay-per-view.
Speaker 2:That one's very tough. Especially. I don't think there's been, I don't really think there's been, an s rank pay-per-view as of recent, it could be of all time.
Speaker 1:It doesn't have to be reason of all time.
Speaker 2:So of all time I'll have to I have to really deep dive. I'm'm trying to just think as of the most recent or with everything that's gone on as far as matches and stuff like that, so I would say as far as a S-rank match would go. Interestingly enough, the first one that came to my mind was WrestleMania Bianca versus Sasha Banks.
Speaker 1:Now, of all time.
Speaker 2:Not of no, that's just an of all time.
Speaker 1:Just the first thing, just the first thing that came to mind, okay, okay, yeah.
Speaker 2:First thing that came to my mind would definitely be that, as far as like what I would expect out of an S-rank match, Okay, yeah, that was definitely a good damn match. Yeah, that's definitely an S-rank match Now of all time, and at this point we're talking like my personal S-rank match.
Speaker 1:The match you will watch. No Matter of fact, this could be even the match you would showcase to somebody saying this is my favorite match Because that's an S rank to you.
Speaker 2:I don't think I've ever considered a favorite match either Of all time I got to.
Speaker 1:Now you see how I felt. Now. You see how I felt.
Speaker 2:Now, you see how I felt especially considering the fact because I've actually recently thought of, like, do I have a favorite match of all time? And I think for the time being, the answer has kind of come up to I can't think of a favorite match of all time there. Think of a favorite match of all time. There's not a whole lot of, there's not often a whole lot of matches that I know I go back to and watch, in the sense of, like man, I love seeing this bout type situation. I have a couple, which almost does not surprise me, considering how I, how I know you, consume your wrestling and stuff like that, so like. But for me, I'm trying to, I'm trying to come up, trying to trying to find the first one that comes to mind. So I'm not spinning wheels and burning air here, because that's a Would you like me to give you mine, so that way it can give you an opportunity of seeing what that is.
Speaker 2:Sure Go ahead.
Speaker 1:Because I can immediately tell you, I can give you three of my S-rank matches, okay, and two of them on the same fucking pay-per-view, and this is one of the reasons why this pay-per-view would be the s rank for me. First one cactus jack versus triple h, royal rumble 2000. That match, the storytelling, the build-up from mick foley, build up from Mick Foley, mankind going to Cactus Jack, that story alone it was just like man, because I know who Cactus Jack is. I've seen the stuff he's done in Japan, I've seen the stuff he done in ECW and even seen his first match against Triple H. So we all know they have history and when he flips there's no telling what's going happen. So that build up alone, the video packages from the 2000s were just, they did not miss, they just did not miss. So the match itself, the level of brutality, the level of storytelling and also that match, is what made triple h the game. That is what made him the game. Uh, because the boys in the back they even said before they didn't really see him as that guy. You know he had the chip on his shoulder, but when he went to that level of brutality it was like all right, he, he's the guy.
Speaker 1:And two, when he comes out to the ring and he has that belt around that waist. That's my goddamn champion, bro. He, that is the freshest triple h ever. Look with that goddamn belt. I'm sorry, I want you to watch it again. And he comes out, he in the box, and it's just everything. Everything about that was like video game quality triple h, game quality, triple H and Katniss Jack did not disappoint. So that is my first S rank. Second S rank is the Dudley Boys versus the Hardy Boys table match. It's the first table match and you get the best spot of the night Jeff Hardy doing a swanton off the car to D-Von Dudley. That is the most crisp fucking swanton ever. That shit's perfection. So those are two of my like. If I want to watch or showcase somebody a match, I'm pulling these two which those are good choices.
Speaker 2:I would probably and actually you saying that makes me like brings up one that does come to mind as a. I don't know if this would be like my S rank, like like like my end, all be all one, but a good, a good one to say would be when it was the first TLC match between Christian edge and Christian the Hardy boys in the Dudleys.
Speaker 1:Yes.
Speaker 2:And I and that one was a very, that one was a very special match and and one that, like I know for me, cause I remember watching it on the, on that pay-per-view, it was like, oh, this is, this is peak, but it's like, oh, this is, this is peak, but it's like that, and it's one of those things, because of all the stuff that led up to it also is what led it to being the s rank match. That it was kind of thing, and so it's like when, when it comes to, I think for me I want to say that probably one of my and it's funny because it's like people will probably hear this and be like, wow, swag you, basic as hell, but at the same time, to a certain degree, I kind of am because, like, probably my like and this is me currently talking from the memory and the first things that really pop up, my big one would be probably the Mankind and Undertaker.
Speaker 1:I was gonna say it as a thorough one, but I said let me chill that might be my S rank match of all time yeah, and it's funny. Dark Side of the Ring just did an episode on it too, so you gotta watch it oh, I didn't.
Speaker 2:Oh, dark Side of the Ring's like back doing episodes.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and that was on the hell in itself okay, okay, I'll watch that.
Speaker 2:although there's not much about that match I don't know anymore, but I'm now curious to see what they got to put into it kind of deal. But it's like I would probably say that is probably mine, that's probably my estimatic match of all time, kind of thing, because it had quite the influence on me when I was a kid, because I remember watching that in the family room with my mom and my brother. I remember watching that match and just remembering how wild and crazy it was, kind of thing and so and I remember that pay-per-view in itself was wild and crazy, it was Kind of thing and so and I remember that pay-per-view in itself Was wild and crazy, with all the stuff that just kept going on and kept happening.
Speaker 2:The first blood match, too, yes, with AIM, and then Kane becoming the heavyweight champion For the first time, and then losing it 24 hours later. Still better than Finn Balor, though, but um.
Speaker 1:Finn Balor. You keep getting his name wrong.
Speaker 2:Listen, I will not. I'm not going to do that, Finn, because what I said was already a bit mean and rude. So now, when it comes to the pay-per-view, the S-rank pay-per-view of all time that one might be, that one's harder for me to try and think of and figure out.
Speaker 1:I'm not gonna lie, that one is kind of tough.
Speaker 2:That one's kind of tough Because I got a couple contenders and I'm like I even sat here with like like I have to really sit down and like contemplate, look up some pay-per-views and and re-remember the stuff that happened. And so it's like because I could almost easily say it what might have been a pay-per-view that I went to but it's like I went because. But then that's like that's kind of biased well well, I mean well, no, not really, not really like I would say right now, when it comes to like, I feel as if like to probably make it a board more clear-cut choice. Feel as if like to probably make it a board more clear-cut choice. I'd have to make it a category so, like, of the backlash pay-per-views, what would be your s-rank?
Speaker 1:you know, I actually was thinking about that like your favorite royal rumble, or something like that, like yeah, which see, when you say that, I instantly remember which one that is.
Speaker 2:And it it was one of the. I think it's the last one that Stone Cold Steve Austin won Because that particular one, kane, showed the fuck out and he eliminated.
Speaker 1:Stone Cold oh 2001?.
Speaker 2:Yeah, whatever Damn. And then Stone Cold comes there and eliminates Kane. I was so upset, I was so mad bro, because this is peak me love Take top Kane, take top Kane, take Kane. Right now, kane was in that Royal Rumble. I think he came in as number 7 or number 8. I'm pretty certain it was number 7. He came in number 7 and he he's just cleaning house and I think that's the part that really got me because, like Kane looked amazing in that match, he was just getting it in just back and forth and it came down to the very last person at Stone Cold, and I think the last person was Stone Cold. And I think the last person was Stone Cold, wasn't he like number 30?
Speaker 1:He was kind of in that area, but he won because he had that steel chair. He got him out.
Speaker 2:Oh man, I was so mad, I was hot, I was hot, I was hot. But that probably would be my S-Rank Royal Rumble as far as that goes, because going because before you brought that up, I probably was going to bring up the Wrestlemania. See, I always get my numbers mixed up, but it was the last WrestleMania they had in Orlando was that the one where Roman Reigns?
Speaker 1:went against Undertaker?
Speaker 2:yes, I would say, even with the Brock Lesnar and Goldberg match, that WrestleMania was an S-rank WrestleMania to me. Like I said, outside of that one match between Brock Lesnar and Goldberg, because nobody cared. Brock Lesnar and Goldberg because nobody cared.
Speaker 1:As a matter of fact.
Speaker 2:As a matter of fact, I remember specifically I used that to take a pee break, damn, I was also going to get snacks. But when I went to try and get snacks they were all like the snack bar is closed. I'm like son of a bitch. Alright, fine, I actually missed the whole match. That's still. I never saw that match. I just heard the aftermath but, um, but like everything about that particular one was dope, the hardy boys showing up yeah, that was crazy, bro.
Speaker 1:I actually, I think, was I working that one? I can't remember if I was working that one or the one before it was. The one with the globe was yeah.
Speaker 2:So it wasn't that one, it was the one before that okay yeah, the one with the globe, that was that was the one I would roll with the roller coaster and everything.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that yeah, yeah, but like, but I think but.
Speaker 2:but With the roller coaster and everything. Yeah, that WrestleMania was. Yeah, but to get that point across, those are S-rank materials.
Speaker 1:You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2:Like I would.
Speaker 1:I'm going to have to go back and look at my favorite pay-per-views now, because that's a tough one.
Speaker 2:To me. I want to say the last match, that the match that Hangman and Swerve had the death match one yes, that death match. That is a nice rank yes, where they literally stabbed each other. And freaking, he like paper.
Speaker 2:That's not even paper staple gun staple gundam and all this other stuff like like the, the, the ride that they took you on, even if it's a lot of things like. I know a lot of people didn't like it because they're all like death match, but it's all like but, but in the long run, with the, the story that led up to it, and then the fact that they literally wanted each other dead, that good story All the way through, even leading up until now, which is something that I don't think AEW is using it as a crutch. However, getting close, I'm going to need them to do the thing, but yeah.
Speaker 1:I think that one's for you. Do you think that one's your S rank match?
Speaker 2:At least for AEW.
Speaker 1:I'm going to definitely say that's also for AEW. No, that one's your S-rank match, at least for AEW.
Speaker 2:Okay, I'm going to definitely say that's also for AEW.
Speaker 1:No, that one's also a S-rank for me in AEW. I was thinking of my favorite pay-per-view of all time. It's between ECW Heat Wave 98 or 99. The reason why I say 98 is because that's where the RVD frog splash, that I freaking love the one out of nowhere. It's on that pay-per-view, okay, and there's a couple of.
Speaker 1:Every match to me on that pay-per-view is a banger, even the opening ones with the cruiserweights and everything, or light heavyweight division. And then you also have Taz versus Bam Bam Bigelow, where they they went through the freak. I think this is the one that went through the ring or they went through the stage, I can't remember which one, regardless crazy. And then anything that had the damn Dudley boys and combines New Jack in it, that's rank pay-per-view. And New Jack obviously is my guy and you tell him he's coming in there and he's hitting people in the head with gear. I'm cool with it. So I want to say it's either 98 or 99. Can't remember which one exactly, but Heat Wave was always just a banger. Got it, got it, got it and you'd have Peacock so you can watch it.
Speaker 2:I might take a look at it.
Speaker 1:I got to take a look at yours when you brought up the, the, not the match. It was the, the pay-per-view I think it was. No, not pay-per-view. What was the? You brought up one of the S-Ring matches the Hell in a Cell one, and then the other one was the, and they said Bianca, belair and Sasha yeah, bianca, belair and Sasha then there was one more and then, well then, I did say the one with us.
Speaker 1:TLC. That's what it was. The TLC one, oh, and the TLC. I feel like TLC two is better, because I think that's when we got the spear. I think that's when we got the spear on, because that was that main.
Speaker 2:I believe that was where the spear happened. Yeah, tlc two yeah, so I'm going to have to watch them again TLC2.
Speaker 1:I'm going to have to watch them again.
Speaker 2:You're going to have to watch them again, but yeah, those were mine. I know for me, if I'm going to change it, I'm going to have to do some research.
Speaker 1:That's what I'm doing. After this, I'm going to have to do some research, doing research.
Speaker 2:Because it's one of those things. I have literally consumed practically my full lifetime's worth of wrestling, and that's spanning across three different uh three generations almost almost two generations too, yeah two to three generations, three different wrestling brands because I never watched wcw, but it's like that the brands I've consumed have been tna. I had then, of course, wwe and now aew, so those are like the brands that I'm most familiar with yeah, you never really watched ecw, unless I showed it to you.
Speaker 2:Because I never had the channel that ECW would come on. And then ECW was like unless you was in the know and just was able to find it for free on the internet, which I was very lacking on that piece. It's like unless you're actually buying the show, and my grandmother wasn't trying to rent pay-per-views all the time, so it was like I never could really watch my ECW.
Speaker 1:I forgot two other ones. Two other ones, and this is why I keep stressing that you need to watch Lucha Underground Two of my other S-rank matches and this is the one that made Pentagon Jr who he is today Pentagon Jr versus Vampiro in a Zero Mero match S-rank, storytelling S-rank. The second one, and this is why I knew Swerve Strickland was a sick fuck. So whenever the match with him and Hangman Page, I was like all this stuff he's doing, I'm like oh no, he's sick. Oh, I know this Because of his match with Dante Fox, the guy that you got introduced last week on Dynamite. He went against Killshot in a hell of war match, three stages of hell, and that match S rank.
Speaker 2:Okay, okay, which, by the way, whoever watches, bring back three stages of hell. Bring that back. That's, that's a, that's a match. That is a match type that has almost been lost in time.
Speaker 2:Yes, it literally is, though it is like a three stages of hell, and the thing that reminded me of it was, randomly, youtube. Like I'm just scrolling through and all of a sudden like YouTube's, all like the full, the full match three stages of hell between Stone Cold, steve Austin and Triple H. Yeah, I saw that too. I saw that too and I was like wait a second. Three stages of hell. Man, I forgot about that match time. Put that back in the game. Put it back. I remember that. Y'all always made me forget about it. They don't talk about it, no more nah three stages of hell.
Speaker 2:First Star Wars like a regular match, then goes to a match with a crazy stipulation and then ending with like a freaking career, yeah, man Brent, give me that shit again, especially in the game like it don't exist, no more.
Speaker 1:I think the last one was on a Smackdown game. It was like Smackdown 2 or 3, or here comes the pain actually, I think you might be right.
Speaker 2:I don't know if 3 Stages of Hell matches made it into the Smackdown vs raw games.
Speaker 1:I never did, never did. I definitely remember it, never did.
Speaker 2:So it was probably the last one. My event here comes to pain.
Speaker 1:Let me see what was the last three stages of hell Um stages, oh no match, oh match Um the last one. Oh they did a Halloween Havoc. Last year they did a Halloween Havoc. That's crazy.
Speaker 2:Oh, who was it?
Speaker 1:Uh, I'm probably gonna get these names wrong. Is Ridge Holland and Andre Chase.
Speaker 2:Andre Chase, ridge Holland.
Speaker 1:That was a three stages of hell apparently it's the most recent three stages of hell match and WWE was between those two at Halloween Havoc 2024 and you know Shawn Michaels did that. You know sean michaels did that.
Speaker 2:Hell yeah so does it say what the stipulations were that they had in that match?
Speaker 1:uh, let me look it up.
Speaker 2:So let me try to get this here because I remember the storyline, because I do believe this was when Ridge Holland like literally betrayed Chase Yu after they like brought him in and all this other stuff, and so this was them trying to get their lick back on him um, it's saying one of was an ambulance match and I'm not getting the results of everything, saying one was an ambulance match and I'm not getting the results of everything.
Speaker 1:So, okay, two foes. Looks like it starts off chasing them down. It's not giving me the full thing. It gives me the match breakdown but it doesn't tell me each one of them. But it looks like I know one of them was an ambulance. Okay, here we go. So it looks like it took it later on challenges where ambulance matched two foes. I'm not seeing anything else. I mean, that's what Google is telling me. Google's told me the last one, but when I look it up on the wiki, the wiki says that Adam Cole and Johnny Gargano was a three stage. It was a standard match street fight and a steel cage, and that was 2019. And that's what Pro Wrestling Wiki says.
Speaker 2:Now, when it comes to that, that one I definitely would not remember, because I was I was not paying a whole lot of attention to NXT in 2019, which is an egg on my face because I missed a lot of the Adam Cole baby. Yeah, I missed a lot of the Adam Cole baby. Yeah, I missed a lot of see. See, now I'm going to have to do some of the research just to see, because I don't remember those being three stages of hell matches. But it's like it's one of those deals where, like, unless they're thinking of it as the fact that um, it is literally three matches like they just had three separate matches against each other kind of I'm gonna.
Speaker 1:I'm gonna have to look that up because if they're saying that those two did that match, I'm gonna have to go back to to Halloween Halfing and check it out. But I know we are kind of going off the grid. We need to go and explain Disket Lariat and the Boiler and I think we can kind of wrap up the episode, because I technically got you a question, got you thinking and I'll go ahead and revamp my questions from before. So, yes, let's go ahead and explain real quick what the Disket Lariat actually means, actually means now give it a proper introduction so, uh, first and foremost, we want to pay homage to uh, brody, not brody king, excuse me.
Speaker 1:Um, yeah, brody lee, not brody king. Brody lee, and he had one. He had one of the best disket lariats in the business. Literally had one of the best ones in the business. But while a disket lariat normally takes you to spin and come up with the lariat itself, the concept in mind, if I recall, was you're taking an angle, you're taking a situation that is already presented to you and we're gonna spin it and hit you with a, hit you with a possibility, hit you with an idea or a, um, kind of like a fan, uh, fan fiction or something like that of that nature. Uh, an angle of what we think might be where they're going with something. Am I correct?
Speaker 2:that sounds about right in that area taking a situation that's going on currently and then just uh, giving a probably a very out of nowhere impactful way of the thought process of what we think could happen or might happen. Or it be cool if, which I know, the big one that we've been going on about is this whole situation with Jay and Gunther. Yes, this is you, and my disconcerting is the fact that we're going to continue on this projectory and then we're going to get all the way to WrestleMania and he's going to lose.
Speaker 1:That's what he wants, because he wants to see the reaction of the Yeet being defeated, the Yeet defeat.
Speaker 2:It's not even so much that I want to see him be defeated, it's honestly more so of a. I just want to see the world situation it's. It's, it's a. It's such a wild and crazy thought and idea that it'd be crazy if they did it and it just worked. You know what I'm saying. And it's like grant, there's a part of me that's all like. Of course that's not going to happen, but I want to make sure I say this very loud and clear up my chest out, just in case, if it does.
Speaker 2:Now, of course, if you haven't been keeping count, originally it was just going to be the fact that he lose, but now the thought that's in my mind when it comes to how it could go down is he's going to lose, but he's going to lose because of somebody. I haven't figured out who the somebody could possibly be, but someone interferes, it costs him the match and it's going to be that deal where we're going to make it look like and then something's going to happen where it's all like he, plain, clear as day, beats Gunther in a one, two, three type scenario, but for whatever reason, the referee doesn't get to count and everyone's just all like wow, that was the one, that's where it should have happened. Do you think it's Jimmy? Now, that's crazy work.
Speaker 1:That could be backlash worthy. That could be backlash worthy.
Speaker 2:That's crazy work. And the only reason why it's crazy to me because that would also be very anime too if they did that To me, because that would also be very anime too if they did that To me I don't think it would be Jimmy, unless Jimmy comes up with this whole situation where now he's actually just jealous of his little brother, kind of thing that would be the only reason why it would work is because they're trying to play on this fact that he's jealous of where he's at and he's like you know he's on that. That should have been me type situation. Like you don't deserve that spotlight. That spotlight, I mean there's merit where they could, but at the same time I don't think they would, only because they've already had their match last year at WrestleMania it was poodoo.
Speaker 1:Everybody said it was bad because they didn't get enough time.
Speaker 2:I didn't think it was poodoo. I mean, hey, listen, everybody do be saying things sometimes.
Speaker 1:But Rikishi definitely spoke how he thought of his ass really he did not like the fact that his boys didn't get enough time. The story could tell it itself, but you did not give my boys enough time. He, rikishi, speaks a lot on twitter or x. Uh, his, his, his feelings, his gripes about how put the belt on my son. He, he the boat, he's the top selling merch, he getting the crowds go get put the belt on my son. You, you wasting his potential. He's very big and talking about how he thinks jay needs to go ahead and get that damn belt interesting.
Speaker 2:I need to take a look at this rakishi foolishness, but like uh, but. But it's like now, with that knowledge in mind, like for something like that to happen all right, I could, I could see it, I mean because then they could, maybe they'll, maybe this will give them the proper time to really let that marinate and all this other stuff and like really actually take a deeper dive into it. That's a that's, that's one thought. But like as far, but as far as who, though, like I still don't know it has to be valid, though that.
Speaker 1:That's the thing you gotta think about. Who else is valid enough to do that besides his brother?
Speaker 2:I mean, listen, I did not take that grade of stock when it came to his downfall. Now, if y'all want me to give my presentation on why he won't lose and the reasons why I'll think a little harder on it. I'll give you a great story as to the reason why he should lose. I was just hitting you with that lariat, that's all. I wasn't hitting you, that was strictly a lariat.
Speaker 2:I wasn't trying to continue to work a Larry. I wasn't trying to, you know, continue to work a match. This was an interference. Disc it, Larry, and I dipped the hell out. You know what I'm saying? This wasn't a.
Speaker 1:So JBL.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1:Can you imagine if he did?
Speaker 2:that. Yeah, imagine if he did that. Yeah, I mean Grant, he always, you know his was off the rope and he did the clothesline. I don't think you can possibly bounce off the rope, do a spin, mid-run and clothesline. That's crazy work, but you know also not to just I mean put a little respect on Natalia's name Because she used to do the Disket Lariat. That used to be her. Finish Natalia no, early Natalia when she was still around with her husband and Davey Boy's baby.
Speaker 1:I thought it was still just Sharpshooter.
Speaker 2:No, she only started doing Sharpshooter more recently, only when she first showed up when she was, you know, thicker natalia, listen, she was discus clothes, lining hose, left and right friend I'm not gonna lie lie, I respect her work.
Speaker 1:I think Total Divas, or whatever show it was, that just made me not like her.
Speaker 2:Whatever show it was. I mean, what was it? What did Total Divas do to make you not like her?
Speaker 1:Just you know how they say when you meet your idols or whatever, and you see how they are as individuals Like seeing how she You're not into cat ladies.
Speaker 2:That's the problem. Cat ladies must rub you the wrong way. My wife is a cat lady, then I don't see the problem.
Speaker 1:It's just how she, how it was something about her, like her personality. It was just like ugh. Nah, I'm not a fan of it. I'm not saying I despise her. It's just like you know how you get an energy from somebody. It's like nah, I'm good, nah, I'm good.
Speaker 2:It doesn't match your vibe as a person.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2:Because Natalia, to a certain certain degree she has um she's a great human being she, though she may be a great human being, I'm pretty I feel like a lot of people probably card her at she's. She was like the, the girl in class that like, to a certain degree, sometimes comes off as weird and some people would want to make fun of her because of the weird things that she does, kind of thing, or like like the, the weird comments that she might insert into a conversation where it's all like all right, that was an interesting route.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's kind of that. Yeah, like we're all talking about, we're all talking about cars and I know where she wants to bring up a boat and you're like the fuck is you doing? Like that kind of weird shit. I got a boat, but that that, at the end of the day, is the discot lariat. So from Disket Lariat now I want to go ahead quickly and get to this, because you wanted to bring up this topic or bring up this concept, so that way we can use it in the future.
Speaker 2:So give us some insight on this new concept as well so, when it comes to trying to break it down, because, like the idea of a boiler room, hot take right, because to a certain degree one could say that a Disket Lariat, or at least the idea behind the Disket Lariat Lounge, it would be the place where taking whatever the current situation that's going on and then giving our own personal spin on how we think it might end up going, because often hot takes are, you know, full on, just like you know personal opinions about a nuclear when it comes to like a statement of being like all right. So here's my hot take on this I think boom.
Speaker 1:So the kind of stuff that might get you like, get the comment section attacking you.
Speaker 2:Absolutely. Either they attack you or they look at it like damn. He might be right, though Out of line, but he's right.
Speaker 1:Yeah, anthony Mackie's like he's out of line, but he's right though.
Speaker 2:And so, as where you know, my discus lariat being the fact that we're going to go all the way to WrestleMania doing the thing with Jimmy, not Jimmy Jay, I always do that for some reason. We do that whole thing and get there and then Jay loses. That's my discoloria Taking what's going on and then throwing a wild spin on it as far as a hot take that I have right now. Um, is that, uh, do I even want to say this being a hot take right now? You know what?
Speaker 1:I got one.
Speaker 2:I think I'll so the the just just to show in. Uh, I think right now you know what I got one. I think I'll so the just just to show in. I think right now, when it comes to the way that wrestlemania is going and in the general direction that is heading, right now nobody cares about the word headweight title.
Speaker 1:You talking about the? Well, yeah, the word with Jey Uso. Okay, yeah, you're right, you're right, you're right, right, right.
Speaker 2:Correct as, as a matter of fact, I would also be. No one has cared about the heavyweight title, I think, in my opinion, and this, I guess this would be my and I guess this would be my boiler room hot take, just to start off with one.
Speaker 1:No one has cared about the heavyweight title since Cody Rose beat Gunther, I would say.
Speaker 2:Seth Rollins was holding the title because you kind of cared about it then. Oh yeah, we did, but that was then. And then Gunther took the belt and Gunther was important for a while, but right now he's kind of just spinning his wheels with the belt and I think and me personally, and I love that title, I am a World Heavyweight title stand, you know what I'm saying. But right now I don't think anyone has really cared about anything that's going on with the Hedgeway title since Cody Rhodes beat him at the Saturday Night Main event.
Speaker 1:I thought it was Crown Jewel, because it was champion versus champion.
Speaker 2:Was it Crown Jewel? Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1:Whoever won?
Speaker 2:got the yeah, oh, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1:Because whoever won?
Speaker 2:got the yeah, yeah, yeah, and those show how much we care.
Speaker 1:Anything related yeah, that's a, that's a hot take, right, they ain't. Well, no, because I think everybody will feel the same. Anything related to crown jewel, we don't give a fuck about because it don't matter. It's like, it's like, uh, non-canon events in anime, like it's, it's a filler, it's filler episode, that's it crown.
Speaker 2:Listen, crown jewel is wwe's moment to be like all right, let's get a whole bunch of money and just do whatever the fuck, that doesn't really matter. And then, once we get that out the way, then we go back to our regular you know our regular program. Yeah, crown jewel is WWE's yearly. Alright, we're just gonna sell out real quick and then you know what?
Speaker 1:you know what anime movies. Anime movies that are like big spectacles because it's an anime movie but none of it matters. Perfect example Remember the Yu-Gi-Oh movies, how you would go there and you'd get the blue eyes card. It's not canon, but it was a big fucking spectacle.
Speaker 2:That's fair, that's a good way to put it. I mean, granted, nowadays the anime movies have been trying to be more canon, but the point is still there. It's a big deal, it's brilliant, it's cool, your favorite character does the cool things and stuff like that, but after the movie is done it does not affect the main storyline whatsoever, and so poodoo, I mean, I guess, I guess, but yeah, that would be my boiler room hot. Take the fact that, like right now, no one really cares about the Boat.
Speaker 1:Head White Tile. You ready for mine? Who the fuck cares about the Miz? There it is.
Speaker 2:That's a wild take, alright.
Speaker 1:I don't fucking care about him, I don't. I've never liked his character.
Speaker 2:Alright. Wow, I don't fucking care about him, I don't.
Speaker 1:I've never liked his character, all right, wow, wow. And the fact that he's still he is still in the roster, no, and and you know his wrestling style obviously safe enough for him to continue to do anything, but anytime I'm like he should not be winning this match, like he's that irrelevant to me.
Speaker 2:That's pretty rough.
Speaker 1:Yeah, he's irrelevant to me.
Speaker 2:You were really on that note, wow, okay.
Speaker 1:You can't tell me you don't have a hot take like that, come on now. You can't tell me About a wrestler.
Speaker 2:Yeah, how irrelevant. How much that I know I I not like that, not like that, I don't. I have my differences and my issues with john moxley, but those aren't hot takes those.
Speaker 1:They're pretty much hot takes. You don. You don't like that dude, his visual. You've had a point where not in a disrespectful way, because I'm not saying in a disrespectful way he's relevant to the roster that's currently going around. When I'm talking about Mock Miz, right, he's irrelevant to the current roster, right. And when we talk about Jon Moxley and your hot takes on him, you just don't see it. So you just like. I don't like his character, because while everybody says he's this great guy as a wrestler, I don't see it well, my problem isn't completely right.
Speaker 2:Well, I guess to a degree my problem is with his character, but it also is more going hand to hand because, like with his character, comes this style of wrestling that he is portraying. That's like constantly taking me out of it, like going back to that back spot that he did, you know, with the spikes and everything. It's like all right, cool, that happened, but he didn't make me care about it. You know what I'm saying. He gets busted open all the time. I don't care when he's bleeding anymore. He'll, you know, slam him on some thumbtacks. He pops right back up and hits a paradigm shift, like the thumbtacks doesn't exist. He has literally taken bumps and then gotten back up and clotheslined him and then walked around the ring like it didn't happen.
Speaker 2:This, this constant non-selling of his just, is like why like it? But? But at the same time, though, he is one of the biggest pretenders of it. But it's also a big issue that I have with AEW they don't make anything that they do matter, they're just doing it to do it type thing. Every once in a while they'll feel like it matters. But, as I said, it's like playing the wrestling game If I took you and I put you through seven tables and through the ring and made you bleed like a stuffed pig and beat you like a government mule and at the end of the match you walk out of the ring when no one needs to help you. No, that's and that's. Moxley out of the ring when no one needs to help you. No, that's and that's.
Speaker 1:Moxley, and that is a boiler room hot take too, to say that about AEW as well, like the selling and everything. That's a hot take where some wrestling fans enjoy that, but to you it's just like not a fan, it's not a thing how many wrestling fans are enjoying it, as we see.
Speaker 2:Like not a fan, it's not a thing. How many wrestling fans are enjoying it, as we see people caring less and less about AEW.
Speaker 1:People are buying tickets. Obviously Barely True, but there's still people who are still buying and investing. Obviously there is still some demographic. It may not be a lot, but there's still some demographic. It may not be a lot, but there's still some demographic yeah, but I guess it's also.
Speaker 2:But I mean, I guess you can call that a hot take, but it's also kind of sort of the thing that it. I almost don't call it a hot take because I'm not the only man saying it, you're the only person who has said what you have just said about the Miz.
Speaker 1:I don't think I'm probably the only one that you know, but there's probably some other people who may have said it.
Speaker 2:Show them to me.
Speaker 1:If I can find someone, maybe I will find, I don't know.
Speaker 2:Show me some more people who is talking that hot ish about the Miz, like you was, and then I will find I don't know. Show me some more people who is talking that hot-ish about the biz, like you was, and then I will show you all the people who are saying the exact same thing I'm saying about AEW, and that's why it's not a hot. If anything, it is lukewarm at best or it's actually in the fridge because everybody is grabbing a glass of it and drinking it all right, you got a point with that.
Speaker 1:You got a point with that, so it's so.
Speaker 2:It's like you got a point with that there's a difference between a hot take and a nice cold beverage so a hot take to you is like you're the only one that's speaking that a hot to a certain degree, or or just be as spicy as what you just said about the Miz, because that was heated, that was very heated.
Speaker 1:The fact that I say he's irrelevant to the roster.
Speaker 2:That, yes, not just that. So you kind of came back and corrected it, saying him being irrelevant to the roster. But the way you that you first kind of said, it's like no, no one gives a fuck about the men's.
Speaker 1:That's what you, that's how you started it yeah, yeah and that's, and that's why I had to correct it. That's why I had to correct it. It's more so he's irrelevant to the roster, to me okay.
Speaker 2:So because, like because I'm still I was still stuck on that bit now saying that he's irrelevant to the roster still is a pretty hot take, because I don't think a lot of people think he's irrelevant to the roster. Because also saying he's irrelevant to the roster, that means that you're saying that he also has nothing to do with any kind of push that might be on its way or coming for Carmelo, because they're boys right now.
Speaker 1:Yeah, way are coming for carmelo because they're boys right now. Yeah, but that's the only the only thing. The reason why they're boys is because they're just giving something carmelo to do. That's to me what it is, because, like we all know, carmelo is gonna have his moment right. They even put um carmelo on um, who was he with not too long ago? He was buddy buddy with them too.
Speaker 1:Um, can't think of the freaking person's name, but he was buddy buddy with somebody at one point in the roster as well, and then that went nowhere and I still remember who that was that. But it was like not too long ago he was like buddy buddy with somebody else and it wasn't like they were tag teaming, but they were like hang out, like right, and it was just another heel. He you know how heels do heels just hang out with other heels because as heels were haters, you know. So having someone like the Miz the Miz is like would technically be like a mentor to Carmelo. So when I say he's irrelevant to the roster, it's like to me, if I see a match with the ms in it, I don't see the ms winning, I don't see him probably losing it clean every time, but it's just like he's a fall guy to me. He's not a guy that you're gonna put in a main story at some point. You're you're not doing that with the Miz.
Speaker 1:To me, and because I feel like the Miz's shine, like his, his, he had he had really good peaks. He had his peak when the Daniel Bryan situation. That was a really good peak. It was like, okay, I actually care about the Miz now, I care about this story because he, he came from heart. It didn't feel dialed in with this whole I'm awesome thing. Like he's been doing that for years. Right, I need something new elevation to his story. He's been doing the same thing forever and then, when the Daniel Bryan thing came up, he says I'm here every week beating people up while you're, you know, doing it and I was like, okay, I'm here for this, this is a new thing, right. But ever since then it's just back back to normal ms. So that's why I just say it to me it feels irrelevant. There's no elevation for him, right? Does that make more sense?
Speaker 2:I mean, it made sense already, like when you corrected yourself. But as far as the, because I'm I'm not disputing your lukewarm take that you changed it to. I'm still focusing on that blazing hot take that you threw out there originally and then in comparison to my ice cold beverage that everybody's drink oh my god, all right here, rocky.
Speaker 1:All right, broski, all right, all right, all right anyway. Uh, you're gonna, we're gonna find one that you got I.
Speaker 2:I know we're gonna find one, but either way, now you have a idea of what a boiler room hot take would be basically, yeah, that that's that's, that's a boiler room hot take and honestly, I one day especially like because I'm gonna try and I'm gonna try and have one maybe for like, if not every, maybe every other, and maybe we even might have an actual pod where we focus on just some boiler room hot takes.
Speaker 1:When we do. We're going to ruffle some feathers with that one though.
Speaker 2:We need to bring in our boy, Lord Zay.
Speaker 1:I feel like we got one.
Speaker 2:Oh he's got. You got to go back and listen to that episode because he was sliding them in there.
Speaker 1:Yeah yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2:It's actually because of him. I came up with the idea because, like, we had our things that we were talking about in that episode, but he'll put he would throw a hot take in there, that I'm just all like. You sound like you got a lot to get off your chest, my friend, and it was because then I was like we, I want to build a platform for that.
Speaker 1:We need some boiler room. Can you see if we can get them on next week?
Speaker 2:Well, let me think here I can double check with them.
Speaker 1:Yeah, just double check.
Speaker 2:We can definitely line something up, because I already told them the fact that the first time you're a guest, second time you just live here. Now you get your own food out of the fridge. Don't ask me if you need anything. Check the fridge. If it's in there, you can have some you know, whatever kind of thing. So it's like he's he's now, he's now just part of the family and apparently there you go. Okay, what the hell? Okay, he's still there. But yeah, so that's that's the idea behind the boiler room hot takes Okay. So yeah, and I got plenty of them that I might throw out there. Now that I have this out there, I'll save them for the podcast. But damn, that mishap was crazy though.
Speaker 1:Oh my goodness, here you go. The mish hate was crazy though.
Speaker 2:Oh my goodness, here you got him. The Miz hate was crazy, hey, you know. Hey, hey, that's your boiler room, I'll take it, it's all good. It is all good. Now, when the Miz comes back through and, you know, hits you with his own discant lariat.
Speaker 1:On that one I'd like to hear what you think I I mean, that's what's gonna come with you when you're, when you're a content creator. You're not gonna be everybody's favorite. You're gonna have your moments where, yes, somebody's gonna get pissed off at something you said, but it's, everybody's gonna have their opinion. With wrestlers, boxers, any kind of sport, it comes with the game. You know, I'm saying, and I don't think I'm gonna reach at a, a status where the ms is gonna look at my comment that I just made and be like he's probably like who the fuck?
Speaker 2:are you? I'm gonna tip that shit and put it on his goddamn timeline on twitter he's like who the fuck are you?
Speaker 1:and he's like look at you. Like, look at my life, I'm making this much money, and you. And he's like look at my life, I'm making this much money and you're right, he is doing all those things. But as a consumer of wrestling, as a consumer of the product, I'm going to say what I say.
Speaker 2:Listen, which is fine, but now I have to check you when the Miz start doing some shit and be like damn, like damn, you're rubbing, ain't he?
Speaker 1:hey, man, look me and Miz can go battle for battle in a promo. I ain't got no problems with it. I will bring back Goro Masako in the promos. If Miz says something and he wants to go blow for blow with a promo, he might destroy me, but hey, it'll be good damn content. It'll be good damn content. Hey, hopefully, if it gets me a match with the guy, I'll be for it. I'll make sure he's relevant again afterwards.
Speaker 2:Wait till next SmackDown, he ends up finding a way on WrestleMania and be like damn he irrelevant, huh.
Speaker 1:I look it'd be better with me as a match, though, trust me, oh boy, anyway. So to finally wrap everything up, I'm going to return back to the questions that you gave me last episode.
Speaker 2:We have enough time.
Speaker 1:I'm going to make them brief. I'm just going to make them brief. I'm not going to go in super detail, I'm just going to make them brief, just to update.
Speaker 2:Oh, so you don't want a new question, you want to go back, oh, back to the ones, yeah. Hmm, hmm, all right. So since you're correcting the first one, all time out, rushmore, where does it stand now?
Speaker 1:So it's still going to be Penta. I need to put Austin in there, I need to put New Jack, and then I need to put New Jack and then wait, what about? I had Penta, I had New Jack, I had so.
Speaker 2:Penta and New Jack were originally on there. Yeah, yeah, yeah, and I think you had Austin on there originally too.
Speaker 1:I don't think I have. I feel like that was one of the things I messed up at is I didn't have Austin in there. I feel like that was one of the things.
Speaker 2:So then. So Austin is new, which makes sense from what I know of you.
Speaker 1:I'm like, oh, he didn't put Austin.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, I feel like that, like you know how the Mount Rushmore is, like, okay, there's certain animes that's like okay, that's obviously the greatest of all time. Why am I putting it on there? And that's kind of where my mind went at a little bit. So, yes, austin, and I wanted to say the last one. The last one was a tough one because I know I said it was between Jay Lethal and somebody else, but I will say, because I have to add each error Damn, I thought I had this one, actually error Damn.
Speaker 2:I thought I had this one.
Speaker 1:Actually, I'm gonna have to go with Jake the Snake Roberts. Jake the Snake Roberts, the Snake Roberts and though his career is not major, like you know, he has his behind. You know, before WWE stuff and I did watch a lot of his content there, but it was really as a wrestling fan, when I was thinking about becoming a wrestler. Watching his promos were the things that I wanted to emulate the, the calm, the, the level of tension that his voice would bring. And he never had to yell his voice, he never had to raise his voice. But you got exactly what the fuck he meant in his promo.
Speaker 2:I mean 2020. He actually just couldn't because his throat got crushed.
Speaker 1:Yes, and while I have met him in person, I kind of felt that might have been a little bit biased. But yes, and also because of Jake, we got 316 Austin. So I have to give it up to your boy If it wasn't for that, we would not have Austin 316. So Jake is up there for a reason. So you got that. And then what was the next one? I think it was like a favorite all-time wrestler right now.
Speaker 2:So then you're all time just number one favorite wrestler across.
Speaker 1:Then it's austin, it's austin. Austin is the only austin is the only one that I I repeatedly go back to outside of triple h. Triple h is still. He's still in that caliber, but I had to think about it. The only person that I constantly go back to watch his matches, at least once in a blue moon, it's always Austin. It's always Austin.
Speaker 2:I know for me when it came to like when he was coming up with these questions and when he was coming up with these answers I, because I've been there with you through almost all of this wrestling journey, seeing certain things we playing the wrestling games, we create our characters and stuff like that. You know, going back to like with no mercy and what, how we would base our characters off of what things. You know the faces that we use to put our characters together, and it's like it was always triple h and stone cold for you when it came to like what you would base your character on now in now, later times, like like in your later smackdown versus raws, like 2019 and 20 and going forward. I think that's when Penta it became All Triple H. Oh yeah, penta. Well, I would say, before you started going into your Penta era, yes, it was All Triple H. You was more solid on the Triple H side. Your finishing move has and still is, has always been the pedigree the third degree and so like.
Speaker 2:Uh, so it was like when triple h. Even now, the fact that triple h, but your, your reasons behind it, makes sense, but I was like the fact that triple H did not come up in the conversations of all this surprised me, mm-hmm.
Speaker 1:No, I could have swore I said Hunter, because I was like Hunter is one of my greatest of all time. Oh, I said heels, heels, that's what it was. It was heels.
Speaker 2:Yeah, you were specifically talking heels, but he didn't make it to your Mount Rushmore. Yeah, yeah, yeah, heels, but he didn't make it to your, uh, to your mount rushmore. And so it's under, like your reasons behind jake the snake, understandable. And then with stone coasty boston, that also makes sense. It almost goes without explanation why, but like, but that that all checks there, and so that was your guy. What was your great favorite, uh, favorite female wrestler of all time across the board?
Speaker 1:It's still Trish Stratus, so that still stayed the same. Yeah, it's still Trish Stratus. It's still Trish Stratus Because when you actually broke it down, I was like you know what? What the hell am I doing? What the hell am I doing, bro?
Speaker 2:What the hell am I doing? Oh?
Speaker 1:it always has been for strategy. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Looking at her nowadays it's like man, it's still it's still there, hasn't gone anywhere.
Speaker 2:If anything, one could almost dare say it's a little bit better. But honestly.
Speaker 1:Yes, yes, the it is wine for a reason it's aging and it's getting better with the age. Yes, yes, it is Absolutely.
Speaker 2:Absolutely delicious. That's why it was across the board of all time when it came to. You know, because if we was talking off the sex appeal then originally Well, actually, because you said Molina, you said melina, you said melina. Well, I think I didn't actually know. I I know I said like uh, across the board when it came to wrestling it's, it's a pretty hard tie between melina and aj lee. If I was going straight off the uh, the beauty and the looks, then yes, it was definitely definitely Melina, but AJ Lee and Melina are at a very hard time.
Speaker 2:It's very hard for me to say which one I liked more type game and then I think, the last one, the last question was theme song all the time across the board.
Speaker 1:It's the one that gets me going every time. It's the people going. My time triple h that's quite the change.
Speaker 1:So there's where triple h finally shows its face in your list my time triple h it's, and it's specifically a version of it too, because while they have the, there's the version where it's like it's on and it's literally a specific audio cue. It's a specific audio cue. If it's not there, it's not the right one. And I have to show you the differences Because, like you can literally tell just a slight audio cue for some reason it's just a better version, but it is the early 2000s one and then they actually made, I guess, a remastered or the version they used ever since then. I don't like it because it doesn't give just a little bit of the raw edge the previous one had. It kind of seems more, while you take it and process it through something and then make it cleaner, it's like ah, you made it a little bit cleaner. I like the rough and edgy one a little bit better.
Speaker 2:But my time. I'm going to say it's also because I know for a while there was the weird where Triple H had one version and then they gave Stephanie McMahon. Yes, yes, yes.
Speaker 1:Yes, yes, that's what it was. So they gave her the rougher one and they gave him the clean one so you like the one that stephanie mcmahon ended up having for a while. Yes, yes, because it was originally the one he used, but then they gave it to steph gotcha.
Speaker 1:Okay, all right, I'm glad I was able to because because, like I, I knew what you meant and I was like wanting to confirm that, like he, must be meaning this one, because that's the only real different between the two, and so I'm gonna, I'm gonna send them to you after the pod so you can know exactly what I'm talking about. And it's again a slight audio cue, it's just the slightest. And then um, uh, how the intro for the. Um, how the intro goes too, but I'm gonna pull it up in a second and I'm gonna send you out the pop, but yeah, was that the last one?
Speaker 2:So that those were the three that we've done already. And so so. So now we've got your bit that, now that you had that time to think of I has been cleaned up, and because of the fact that happened, I will throw you a bone, because I know we're probably, uh, we're probably pushing it on the time. Yeah, we're like I know we're probably pushing it on the time.
Speaker 1:Yeah, we're almost two hours, so we can wrap this up.
Speaker 2:Well, I'll just let you know that I'll tell you the next question ahead of time so that you'll have your chance to think of it, and that is currently and we're specifically going to start with the AEW Currently on AEW Currently on AEW who is your guy and girl?
Speaker 1:on AEW. I kind of already got some of these All right, that's cool.
Speaker 2:So next time we visit the questions, that's where we're going to go in and, depending on how things go for this week, I think maybe next week we'll just we can, we will just dive in, just yeah, right, right, yeah, yeah, yeah, we can finally get these questions out absolutely well, uh, guys, thank you so much.
Speaker 1:If you enjoyed this episode of us just splatting out one, the ranking system, the discoloria, the boiler room topics and just me revamping my list. I hope you enjoy seeing what we're going to do next week for our episode and continue watching the reviews that we got coming up. We got Raw Review coming up soon, and as well AEW and then Friday Night Smackdown, which hopefully well, that one is gonna be rough now because we're going back to regular time, so we'll see how we're gonna do those. So, uh, again, if you haven't yet, like and subscribe, please. If not, share this to one of your wrestling fans. Maybe they might have a boiler room hot take that they might want to throw in the comment section. And please, again, let us know your takes in the comment section as we post out our videos in the future. So until next time, it's the Masako.
Speaker 2:It's your boy Swag Switcher and please give me them. Boiler Room hot takes. I like that.
Speaker 1:I need more, and this is the Big Brothers of Destruction podcast. We'll see you next time.