The Hard Questions

We dive into wrestling nostalgia, from favorite theme songs to the art of in-ring storytelling, while exploring how we'd recreate iconic wrestlers as Dungeons & Dragons characters. Our conversation covers the impressive storytelling possibilities when translating wrestling personas into fantasy settings.

• The Ministry of Darkness Undertaker's goatee inspires an exploration of how wrestling chants have unexpected origins
• Creating Undertaker and Kane as D&D characters, complete with specific class combinations that capture their wrestling personas
• Pentagon Jr's "Thrill Switch" and Kane's original theme emerge as all-time favorite wrestling entrance music 
• Discussing Jon Moxley's evolution from Dean Ambrose to his current AEW character
• Why modern wrestling's lack of selling damages match believability, comparing AEW's approach to classic WWE psychology
• Charlotte Flair's return and the evolution of her "Queen" persona
• All-time favorite WWE wrestlers reveal what we each value in wrestling entertainment

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Chapters

• 0:00 Episode Introduction and Reconnection
• 1:48 Revisiting Our Wrestling Mount Rushmore
• 5:17 Wrestling DnD: Creating Undertaker & Kane Characters
• 18:56 Favorite Wrestling Theme Songs Of All Time
• 49:12 Jon Moxley: The Brawler Discussion
• 58:02 Lack Of Selling In Modern Wrestling
• 1:31:23 All-Time Favorite WWE Wrestlers
• 1:51:35 Episode Wrap-Up & Teaser

Transcript

Speaker 1: 0:08

hey guys, welcome back to another big brothers of destruction podcast episode. Uh, I have my brother, my, my brother in crime, I'm just just my brother in general, who I've been knowing for multiple years. I'm gonna let him introduce himself real quick.

Speaker 2: 0:26

Go ahead, hit him with it my brother in crime, my brother in Christ, my brother from another mother yes, it's your boy Swag Switcher. And uh, please, uh, if you would note, currently we're doing this across from one time zone to another Because I'm currently in Austin, texas, right now Handling some business during the South by time frame, completely unrelated to the South by Southwest. I was actually part of an event called Nerdcore Days, doing my thing, doing the music and everything. It was a great hit. I actually sold a little bit of merch, which is always a good thing and whatnot. It was just a shirt and some stickers, but I sold something and that's all I care about.

Speaker 1: 1:25

Especially from when we used to do music. Especially from when we used to do music Well, when I used to do music back in the day with you and everything that was like the most of anything was some shirts and some small little things for anything, but it's still dope. I'm glad you're having a good time out there, and I know we want to still continue to pod. Today I forgot to introduce myself it's the Moscow, and still continue to pod. Today I forgot to introduce myself it's Damasco. Let's just get it started from there. So you've got this journey. You're over there in Texas.

Speaker 1: 1:51

I remember last time we were here on the pod we were talking about our wrestling origins, how we got into it and even our Mount Rushmore of favorite wrestlers, and I remember I actually had to revisit that too, because I did have one that I was like, wow, why did I even put them in there? But I'm perfectly fine with my list, so I did have to think of. I had to go back and think about it too. I was like, wait a second, why did I add this first?

Speaker 2: 2:19

Are you sure You're not?

Speaker 1: 2:20

Yes, it was Naito. Why did?

Speaker 1: 2:21

naito down ahead and put a new one the thing about it is it's like I only the only reason why I will put him on there because of the character that itself like them as a personality itself. It's not really a lot for their matches. So it's, it was naito, and naito is awesome. You know I'm a big fan of his character, his work. I haven't got the chance to see a lot of his work, only the stuff um later years, so I can't really say him because I feel like that would be just bandwagoning or like just doing it immediately, but um I'm, that's why I had bandwagoning, jumping on the bandwagon and stuff like that, but I said I was gonna be perfectly fine on my list.

Speaker 1: 3:06

But I know after we started getting into that mount rushmore you had mentioned you had a couple of other questions that you wanted to dive into and that is what we're going into today. So let's go ahead, I'm prepared. Hit me with one of them. What's the first question you got? That's gonna make me deep dive and get all into this thing tonight.

Speaker 2: 3:32

Well, actually, because when you said the thing about bandwagoning as I'm looking for my notes because I was we was talking about Undertaker's chant, off the thing.

Speaker 1: 3:44

The ministry, yeah's chant off the thing, the ministry, yeah, the ministry.

Speaker 2: 3:48

Off the pod, yeah, yeah and so, oh, hey, that will be useful. Why Got it All right, I shall use this just in case. Appreciate it. I was being Breaking news. I had requested the breaking news. No, there's a.

Speaker 2: 4:10

No, I was uh, I was looking to see, just in case, however, the uh. I was looking for, like the, the wi-fi password for where I'm at, and uh, what was handed to me off screen here was indeed the wifi password. However, I'm using my hotspot at the moment, cause I wasn't sure if it was going to be choppy or if I was going to get any lag kind of thing. Using my hotspot Cause, you know, we're putting in some heavy duty power here streaming across country, not really, but but just in case of lag, yeah, just in case of lag, lag which, please let me know if I'm, if I start glitching or, you know, like twitching and sinking through my chair or whatever, I can put this new password in.

Speaker 2: 4:57

Okay, but um, but we was, but we was talking about undertaker's uh old school chant that he used to do when he was part of the ministry, and uh, that was, I was explaining to him. I used to actually have. I actually did like a deep dive, trying to search for it and figure out where it came from, and more so was trying to actually find out what the actual words were, kind of thing which fun fact turns out.

Speaker 1: 5:24

Before you kind of go into that, they kind of need to know why the conversation even started up. So if you have not noticed Swag Switcher's face, he very much has Ministry of Darkness Undertaker goatee so that's why, when I first got in the call with him. I just started doing the chant because I was like he looks a lot like him and that's kind of where the conversation spurred.

Speaker 2: 5:48

So now we can kind of go back to where was that yeah, yeah, for those who don't know, when it comes to undertaker, ministry of darkness, undertaker is my favorite era of undertaker and whatnot, from the look to just the overall situations that was going on. It's a chef's kiss. But I myself, when he chanted it reminded me Because I went on this random deep dive, because I was like what he was saying? What does it look like in word form? Because we say the noises, whether if it's directly on point or it just sounds like it kind of thing. So I went, looked it up, turned out there was a lot of people trying to find it and at the end of the day it led me to the movie excalibur.

Speaker 2: 6:37

The chant is actually a chant for a spell called the. It's pretty much like it's a charm spell. I do believe they call it it's the charm of making or whatever. But it's like throughout the movie you'll see the guy, yeah, like going. You hear it several times. And so I was like when I first found that, I'm like that's dope ain't shit.

Speaker 1: 7:12

Original in wrestling you kind of clicked through when you said it. But if you want to give the chant again another shot, you kind of like the audio kind of cut out when you did it oh, because. I was saying it loudly yeah.

Speaker 2: 7:29

No, not rock, no friendly, like yeah. But I literally actually have it written down once I found it because I was like I want to create, I want to create the Ministry of Darkness in a D&D game of mine, which is also like a small little kick I get out of doing in D&D, I like finding ideas of wrestlers and seeing if I can create them in a D&D setting, and so so far I actually now I'm thinking about you have Macho man so far.

Speaker 2: 8:06

Yeah, macho man is the only one who I've actually created. However, I have an idea of how to do Undertaker, but I actually do have a separate where there's your regular Undertaker, which I think he would be. I think it's like Funeral March Undertaker, yeah, which I think he would be. I think it's like um funeral, martaker yeah, so it's like the regular undertaker would be. Uh, he would be part um. Oh, what are the kicky punchy people? Right now I'm drawing a blank on their names.

Speaker 2: 8:40

There we go. I don't know why, I couldn't remember what that word was, but he'd be like part monk and part sorcerer, as of what I believed is how I put it together. And then there is a second version of Undertaker, which would be the ministry version, and I believe the ministry version of Taker would be it was like wizard and something else, but I can't quite remember what it was which that version is a bit more complicated to to use and make, and I think kane. Um, like I was trying to figure out a way to make him different. He would mostly be sorcerer, but then from sorcerer, depending on how you'd want to play him.

Speaker 2: 9:31

I believe he could either go off in one direction of being like a fighter, or what about barbarian, but the problem is is when you use barbarian and dnd unless you're using homebrew barbarians, they when they rage. They can't use magic and so what if he?

Speaker 1: 10:01

no, what if he has a? And I'm not too big into the like my wife was trying to tell me I had a sumo character I was going to create that I wanted to like use a konobo. But monks in sumo they're only supposed to do hand and hand combat. They're not allowed to use weapons. So I said, what if it was a weapon? That kind of gave me a handicap. So like, say, since Cain he was set on fire, say, for every time he uses that magic it sets him on fire.

Speaker 2: 10:28

So it's like a handicap so which you could, but the because, like, uh, one of those things where I first try to think of how to make the game or how to make the character, purely from using what is currently in the game gotcha and so and so I make it that way and then afterwards, if there's like little special touches or like special items that I want to include that would help make them better, like, for instance, like with kane, the one way to you know work around that particular issue is, uh, there's actually in the regular canon of dnd there's like this necklace of fireball that like has like nine uses of fireball that you can use.

Speaker 2: 11:18

So it's like if he's raging because he's not necessarily casting the spell but necklaces he could still throw fire type thing while he's raged out, or when it, or when it comes to kane, if you want to kind of do a like a like a transitional type deal. You know, because fireball and using fire moves and stuff like that, most of those are very are long-ranged situations, and so if you did go Barbarian, you could use all of your magic up front before at the beginning of battle.

Speaker 1: 11:57

I mean he does come in with the instant.

Speaker 2: 12:01

Yeah, so it's like you use all your magic at the beginning of battle and then after you've run out of all your magic slots. That's like you use all your magic at the beginning of battle and then, after you've run out of all your magic slots, that's when you rage, and then you start going in there and throwing hands, whichever way you'd want to do it, but the only deal is, you know, when you're a barbarian, raging is key because barbarians don't have armor and not having armor, you know, depending on how you roll, your character is going to depend on how much they're going to be able to take and stand. And so, when you rage, you and this is regardless of which you know subclass of barbarian that you pick when you rage, you automatically take half damage to bludgeoning um, uh, slicing and piercing, slashing, slicing and slashing I was I was missing the word so you take, uh, half damage from that, which is why barbarians can get up in the fray and not get knocked down type of thing. However, if you unless you've got some decent people who are in front of you while you're throwing and casting all of your fire moves before you rage, if you get hit, you're gonna, you're gonna, you're. It's kind of like, uh, you're gonna shoot yourself in the foot, a little bit type thing, but um, but that particular version is possible.

Speaker 2: 13:30

Like I said I don't remember what was it because, like it wasn't barbarian, I thought of barbarian and honestly, like, if I wanted to make two different versions of cane, regular cane would be the one that would be mainly sorcerer. And, um, yeah, I was like sorcerer, or maybe it was sorcerer or warlock. Now I have cause, like I said, it's been a minute since I looked into it, cause I haven't played regular D and D in a while, cause I've been playing alternative versions. But, um, those, those two are ones that I've wanted to put in-game to use and have my players go up against them. I literally had it all set up where I took the Undertaker and Kane story and put it in a D&D setting With Paul Bearer being the mastermind causing the whole problem, and so it was one of those deals where the person who they needed to get rid of is paul bearer, because paul bearer is controlling these two boys and stuff like that and so I think, the way, the flow that it was going to be.

Speaker 2: 14:36

It would have been like y'all would have, or the, the group they would have first dealt with. Uh, undertaker and paul bearer first and then.

Speaker 2: 14:49

But then they would have won and then undertaker would have become like an ally type situation, right, and then, once I take it so, then what would have later on happened is the group would have run into undertaker again because he was looking for them. Because now the situation where kane comes up. So now paul bearer has, you know, manipulated kane and you know undertaker is, he's conflicted because he doesn't want to hurt his brother and all this other stuff and he needs and he wanted to get help. So then the team, the group, would help them out and do all this other stuff and whatnot. Kane's been been beaten, and then we scare, they scare off bear and all this other stuff, everything's good, and now they're brothers again, they're fine, everything's cool. And then the last situation would have been that now kane has come to find you guys because Paul Bearer has manipulated Taker, but Taker also kind of like had a bounce back and forth in the storyline and like, okay, so like Taker's like got Paul Bearer in one minute.

Speaker 1: 15:56

Kane has Paul Bearer.

Speaker 2: 15:57

Kind of thing yeah, so it was like. The original bit is the fact that Paul Bearer has control over Undertaker right and taker does not want that to be his deal, but he's, he's got. It's a mind control situation because of the urn. And so when you free undertaker from the possession of the urn, then you guys beat paul bearer and he he fucks off kind of thing right he scurries away and so undertaker is free, he's, he can be his own person, type thing, and that's cool.

Speaker 2: 16:27

And then later on, yeah, he becomes an ally, so like if you run into him again, he'll help him, help you, type deal. But then then there's he does come and find you guys, or you know the group that's playing.

Speaker 2: 16:39

He would find them, because now paul bearer has come back and he has threatened to destroy him using his brother and he actually he's like I can't beat him, type thing yeah, just like the storyline, yeah because he's like, but in this particular case is like, I can't beat him because, number one, he is way too strong and the only way I could beat him with as strong as he is is literally by killing him. So I need help type deal and I don't want to kill him because this isn't his fault and stuff like that, right? So y'all go through, deal with all of that. And now you know kane has been been liberated, he's free from bear's clutches and now they're brothers and everything's cool. Well, you go off and do everything kind of deal like you know it will. This would have been much later in the game. But then there's a situation they're brothers and everything's cool. Well, you go off and do everything kind of deal Like you know, this would have been much later in the game.

Speaker 2: 17:28

But then there's a situation where now Cain has come to find y'all, or even more so I was going to do the thing where there would be little whispers and little sprinklings and nuggets of like this weird thing called the ministry or whatever I had called it at the time, what that was. That's been brewing and it's been some like. It's been this darkness that's like been slowly taken over, manifesting in this area that the characters would currently not be anywhere near, but they'd be getting close to having to go over into that section. And then what ends up happening is they'll run into, like some of his minions from the ministry, and they're all like and they're all like whoa, who are these people?

Speaker 2: 18:20

because they specifically seek you guys out and they try to beat y'all, but y'all beat them and then that ends up leading you to find Kane, and Kane's all like. My brother has lost his mind. Paul Bearer somehow found a way to control him, but Paul Bearer lost control and now he has become so powerful that not even Bearer can control him anymore and he is in the process of doing this full-on takeover of darkness type situation and there would have just been like a whole big deal trying to stop ministry undertaker type situation, and so that was.

Speaker 2: 19:00

That was the that was the thing that was the plan, it's still a plan, it's, it's in the back pocket from whenever I decide to start running like another dnd campaign. Okay, because, so, because so, it'll probably happen eventually one day, because it's too it's.

Speaker 2: 19:19

It's a nice long, like long-term story that I can tell, because I'm a big long-term story guy, especially when it comes to my fantasy settings and all that good stuff I mean, you gotta find things that keeps the, the player base uh engaged, so that makes sense oh yeah, plus, with the current players that I have right now, there are uh which is funny, because I ended up teaching them what this meant because they are the pure definition of working yourself into a shoot they will be doing something and they somehow find a way to literally be on the bike, take the stick and put the stick in the wheel of their own bike.

Speaker 2: 20:06

They do that so well and because they do that so well, it makes my job as the dm so easy, because I'm like you're gonna do what? Okay, you do that, here's what, and then we go into it. And now they literally took a D&D night where I was all like I was just going to let you guys do a little bit of, you know, role play and let you guys get some shopping in the city, but instead y'all decided to go into this room inside of this building and y'all touched something that wasn't supposed to be yours. Now we got something completely different. Now the next five games that we have has spawned off of the fact that you touched this thing that didn't belong to you and y'all have plenty of content, and I still have my actual game that I created that we haven't touched yet because we went on this little side.

Speaker 1: 21:09

that's also why I don't play dnd, it's because you got people like that. That would just throw you off the trajectory, and there's nothing wrong with that. That's kind of like the. The premise behind it is supposed to let the adventure develop and become something else, outside of the main focus, but I had way too many people who would do that, and that's now also sounds like I don't need to play with that crew if I wanted to come back, because I'll get pissed the fuck off.

Speaker 2: 21:36

So but see, what I think you experienced is you're the people that you may have played with.

Speaker 2: 21:46

They're the type of people that sound like they like to.

Speaker 2: 21:49

There's this big universe they can explore, but they want to go chase squirrels you know what I'm saying and not just chase squirrels, but they want to chase squirrels in the backyard and, depending on who your DM is, they squirrels in the backyard and, depending on who your DM is, they will either know how to take that chasing squirrels in the backyard and force you guys to get out of that backyard and then run to the street and then almost get hit by a car, cause a car accident, and now it's your fault. So now the cops are going to come and arrest you and all this other stuff. Now you're in the middle of a trial and this and the other, or your DM just lets you guys chase squirrels around in the backyard and just kind of spin your gears because you're not going to catch the squirrel and just make you guys think you're going to keep catching the squirrel until you don't till you finally say, all right, I'm done chasing squirrels. I guess we can do the main mission yes and so.

Speaker 2: 23:01

So for you, I I'm almost positive if I had you as one of my players, even if, for whatever reason, we got off topic and we started doing something else, you're not going to be mad or upset and you're still going to be entranced in the game because I'm the dm that would make you chase that squirrel into a plot point.

Speaker 2: 23:30

So, even though that squirrel had nothing to do with the main game, you're chasing this squirrel, and now that squirrel has caused you all of this other, all these other weird situations to happen.

Speaker 2: 23:44

And then the next thing you know, you're staring undertaker in the face and you're like how the fuck did we get here when we was just bullshitting around chasing squirrels, I mean, granted, the other issue would be is the fact that now you guys don't get to shop, so that I guess there's that that'd be one thing you'd probably be mad about. Like damn, I really wanted to go to the store and buy a hammer instead, now a guy used this other weapon because the big bad guy is in my face now, type thing like it's all about the versatility of your dm and also how much your dm will allow your characters to goof off per se and whatnot? So it it has a lot to do with the dm, but also it does have a lot to do with the players too, but but you seem like you're a very particular person when it comes to dd I don't know.

Speaker 1: 24:38

I mean, I've played, like I said. The only thing it makes me think of is remember, back in the day we technically made our own fan fiction of sonic adventures. So it's pretty much like that because we did that, but just without, like you know, roles or classes it was. It was a role-playing situation like that. That's literally what it was so, where we had our own setup of characters, their own lives, their abilities and certain things that they could and could not do. We just didn't have to have, we just didn't have to roll, we didn't have to, um, do any checks or anything of that nature that you normally would do. It was more of a the storytelling aspect. So that part I do.

Speaker 2: 25:15

I do get um you know one one day what I'm going to do, because I feel that you've had a from the way that you make it sound, in the fact that, like that little bit that I say, you're like, oh, like that is, I'm like you've been burned. You got burned too crispy when it comes to your attempts at dnd. Let me let me take you under my wing. Let me let me put a t, let me put a group together, let me let me put together a story like I.

Speaker 1: 25:50

I feel as if I can make you, I feel like I might be able to help you appreciate and actually like playing dnd again my only thing is I wouldn't be able to do that friday setup you do, because on friday sometimes I host things and I know sometimes if you're not able to do certain days. I know I've heard that most groups would do like a um, a three count death situation, like if you don't show up to a session your team will continue to move on, but if you don't show up to like three, your character dies and some shit like that oh no, I don't do that.

Speaker 2: 26:28

As a matter of fact, for instance, like Antonio, when we used to have him play with us, like he was, cause he was working he worked with WWE and was you know he was he'd be able to come in and play a little bit but then he'd have to leave because he's gotta, he's gotta fly out somewhere, type thing, and all this other stuff, and it's all like it's cool, because then he, he would get the updates, because I like doing little recaps and he will come in.

Speaker 2: 26:58

All right, this was going on, cool, we keep it going. But it's like for for you, if I was going to do it, because we actually live together, because the people who I play with we I live in florida, my girlfriend lives with me, then the there's a husband and wife that live in michigan, and then there's another couple that lives in Connecticut, and so we're like all over the place. But since we could do something in person, we would just like grab a table and just do it at your house or something, and then like and honestly especially since I know that the wife does do play D&D and what not we can keep it real intimate. It would just be like I'm the DM, you, your wife and my girlfriend, so you're trying to do a couples retreat, cause it's couple, couple, couple.

Speaker 2: 28:02

That's what you, that's what you're telling I mean, I mean, I mean, it could I mean, like I said, literally the. The table that I currently host is a husband and wife, another couple and then me and my girlfriend yeah, so it is three couples.

Speaker 2: 28:23

Yeah, and I'm the dm now, granted, there, I, we used to have, you know, the no, the homie, but you know, since he passed away and whatnot, it now it's just, it's just that kind of thing. But I mean plus it plus, I mean if you know somebody else would want to come through and whatnot. You know, and we don't have to do it on friday because, number one, I well, I wouldn't do it on friday because it's when I do my actual other, that's when I do my other system. So we do it like on like a some other day.

Speaker 1: 28:57

Yeah, it'd be a matter of just seeing the situation, but it is not a bad idea. I know the original idea. We kind of veered off and spent a little bit of time on that. So let's kind of get back into the original plot for the day, which was going over those particular wrestling questions. Not saying that we didn't go off in a tangent of anything, because it's technically still wrestling related, but getting back into I was spinning it back around.

Speaker 2: 29:27

that's why I brought up the homie, but getting back to, I was spinning it back around.

Speaker 1: 29:32

I was spinning it back around. That's why I brought up the homie, because he works in wrestling. The other homie you brought up for two seconds.

Speaker 2: 29:41

I'm thinking of Iceman, oh no, well, I mean, he didn't work, work with wrestling, but he was also a big wrestling fan. But but when I was mentioning uh, but when I was mentioning our friend, he uh, because he's he's like he works, works for wwe, and so it's like he has a very busy schedule and so it's like whenever he can drop in, like he'd be, like he would see that because he knew when we would play, as like in between doing stuff, you're like all right, he comes through, plays a little bit, and when he has to go he goes. There's certain days we won't be able to show up. But you know, we made it work and I'm always make it work. But yeah, sorry about that little get, as you were going to say, as you were saying getting off the dnd tangent and whatnot. We're nerds here.

Speaker 1: 30:27

At the end of the day, we love wrestling, but we're well, I should say it's still kind of somewhat wrestling related, because you brought up the taker and kane story. But yes, um, for the actual topic of the day, the these questions that you uh had, I guess I, I am, I only. Am I the only one that's answering this question, or is this a two way kind of thing?

Speaker 2: 30:48

I mean, I answered them for myself already, so so you just give the answer yeah, I have the answers for myself and I actually did get all the way up to 10 because there was and it was an easy question that I didn't think of and actually I did not actually answer this particular question. So I'm going to ask you first, so it'll give me a moment to actually think about it, because, it's okay, this is a hard question, this is a very difficult question and so because, especially with the way I'm about to put it At this very moment, when you think of, from the time they started doing this to the point that we're at right now, favorite theme song across the board.

Speaker 1: 31:40

We're talking about one particular wrestler or one theme song in general.

Speaker 2: 31:45

Period If you were to take, if you were going to do like a countdown to your favorite wrestling theme song across the board, whether it's from New Japan, whether it's from WWF time period TNA, goddamn period.

Speaker 1: 32:11

So when you say period, so out of all time, right now, what's my favorite theme song out of all time? Yes, okay, ah, that's tough, um, um, ah, that's tough, um, um, sheesh, that that wow, oh damn. I'm literally going through the, the laundry list, one kind of automatically comes up to the top of my brain and and it's going to be Pentagon Junior's Lucha Underground theme song. It was something about. It's called Thrill Switch, I think, or is it? I have the song. I think it's called Thrill Switch. It's like a generic theme. You can get it on Spotify and I have it.

Speaker 1: 33:02

I think it's called Thrill Switch, but his Lucha Underground theme to me it's not like it's a great theme, it's just it's connected to the character that was him and anytime he comes out, it just it fit the aesthetic. And the thing about Lucha Underground that was so cool is, since it was pre-recorded or pre-taped, the theme always matched with the situation. So it sometimes would play the complete intro, sometimes it would not play the intro and then sometimes it would cut at certain points. So it's like it just always fit to what he was doing. And then it's that one oh, actually, no, oh, okay, okay, okay, okay, okay, okay, okay, there's three, there's three. And these, and the crazy part is it's a Lucha Underground and two of them are New Japan themes.

Speaker 1: 34:06

So I'm still saying Penta, but then I'm also going to say Kenny Omega's Demon's Guy. That song is just like perfection. And that is when you saw Kenny Omega and his true, the true form of Kenny Omega the bout machine. Oh my God, yes. And then Jay White's Switchblade. Jay White's Switchblade theme song is another one that's like a true favorite of mine. You really should make this a top 10 list, bro, cause that's tough dog, you gotta make that.

Speaker 2: 34:53

I know what I did oh damn, I'm okay cause see, if I did it as a top, if I did it as a top 10 list, then you would have that situation, cause I'm okay. See, if I did it as a top Ted list, then you would have that situation, because I'm looking for number one, I don't care about the others, we're looking for number one. You can say as many theme songs as you like Penta, penta, penta. I'm still going with.

Speaker 1: 35:19

Penta. I'm still going. Penta, because that's the only one I ever made my phone ringtone, and there's so many of them, and anytime it hits it, just that song gets me going. So it's going to be Pentagon's Thrill Switch.

Speaker 2: 35:36

Thrill Switch. I'll have to go and listen to this.

Speaker 1: 35:39

I'll pop it in a minute. Like I said, it's not that crazy of a theme, it just just. It really connects me back to lucha and how much I loved that series. So it's more of a nostalgic feeling than a. It's a great theme. Uh feeling um, because if we're going off the great themes and stuff like that's different. But this is a. This is my all-time favorite theme because it is a nostalgic pop for me, it makes me think of the character and it also just gets me hype. So I'm going to say that's my all-time, that's my all-time and that was a tough one Because all-time fuck. So what is yours?

Speaker 2: 36:23

So what is yours, strangely enough, like where you struggled it's. It's. It's really not difficult for me and it's maybe it's because I'm just very simple, like that Cause, granted, funny enough, this particular song, only cause you brought it up. I've never had this as my ringtone, I think when it comes to songs I've had as my ringtone, I've had Randy Orton's voices, I've had Asuka's original theme song when she was at NXT.

Speaker 1: 36:57

I am not a singer, yeah that was a good one.

Speaker 2: 37:02

And I think I also had, because there is a difference now. I used to have Amber Moon's theme song. Really I love that song. Oh yeah, amber Moon's theme was nice, I love that shit. But we currently love Athena. But we currently love Athena. But all time number one Slow Chime Chemical Kane's original theme song yeah, the wait Original, because the original is because Slow.

Speaker 1: 37:42

Chemical is the Slow, chemical is the when he turns, so that the mask yeah, is you're thinking of slow you're?

Speaker 2: 37:52

thinking of burn um burned I actually don't remember what it's called specifically now, I do believe, because there's, there are, it's like there's two different iterations of it. There's the absolute original one, because actually I think there's like three. There's the very first one that he had and then there's a second one where it sounds like the first one, but then they really amped up the drums in that particular song.

Speaker 1: 38:22

Yeah, they used more classical drums, the drums in that particular song. Yeah, they use more classical drums.

Speaker 2: 38:26

And then there is the which. Actually it's hard for me to pick which one of those, but I think my particular favorite one is when it just goes straight into the explosion.

Speaker 1: 38:40

That's burned. It's burned.

Speaker 2: 38:42

Because I had to put a little bit of it burned, which is when freaking Tank Top Kane, when he started showing a bit more skin, which was, for all intents and purposes, peak Kane. As far as physicality goes, freaking Kane.

Speaker 1: 39:01

I don't know, I'm still with the sleeve. That Kane to me is like that Kane, freaking cane. But I don't know, I'm, I'm still, I'm still like with the with the sleeve. That cane to me is like that came to me.

Speaker 2: 39:09

That is for ruction. That is my. That's my favorite cane and, even more specifically, my favorite, uh cane. Attire is uh cane when he first got a girlfriend. And what was that girl's name? Tori Tori.

Speaker 1: 39:29

There you go yeah, cause he had the see through with the flames and it was the reverse color.

Speaker 2: 39:38

So instead of the black and red, instead of it being the red with the black on top, it was the black with the red on top. Listen, freaking. That's, that's my, and it's a look that he did not wear a lot. No, but, I love the hell out of it, like the color of the mask and just favorite skin, absolute favorite skin on Kane. Actually, I don't blame you, I do remember, like ugh, the color of the mask and just Favorite skin, absolute Favorite skin on Kane, actually, I don't blame you.

Speaker 1: 40:10

Did you have that toy too?

Speaker 2: 40:13

No, I wanted it so bad. You had the toy.

Speaker 1: 40:17

That's what it was. It was either me or you, I can't remember.

Speaker 2: 40:21

Yeah, no, it was you, Because I wanted it. I could never find it a. You had it and because the cane that I had I had the small. It was like the small cane with the but he had like the perfect choke slam hands. Yeah, like the perfect choke.

Speaker 1: 40:40

Slam hands I remember now yes, okay, so you had the, you had the federation model came, because you know how the federation toys you made. And then I had the, the actual action figure ones that came with the backstage manhunt which the freaking yeah the bathroom toilet, bathroom, toilet thing bust through the wall.

Speaker 2: 41:02

and also the cane that you had, which, and also the cane that you had, which was great because the cane that you had worked with my titantron, because they used to have the little metal bars on the feet- type thing. My god, it was so good back in the day, oh, wow so good, there are things that they did back then that they don't do anymore, that I'm like why don't y'all bring that back?

Speaker 2: 41:27

Because it's like I walk through the toy section from time to time because I'm looking for toys for myself and not for my kid, because I'm still a kid myself, and so and I look at the wrestling toys and, like you know, they still have the wrestling rings, but it's like like you don't see backstage. Mayhems like that, no more.

Speaker 1: 41:48

no like they should bring they should.

Speaker 2: 41:51

That is, that is a fantastical extra toy to have to go with your wrestling ring. And then they don't have, um, they don't have the titantrons anymore. I mean granted, wrestling.

Speaker 1: 42:03

granted, I could have sworn, they had one, but it just doesn't.

Speaker 2: 42:07

They don't. I don't know they might have one now, but to that feat, though, they don't have it like how they used to, like how mine used to do the put their feet on it or play the, because people can just play the music on their phone. Yeah, oh yeah, that's right, children have phones these days.

Speaker 1: 42:28

I'd be forgetting, but it's like, I mean, I guess, but like it, whatever it takes away it's not as, because I mean there were times we did use the speaker on the computer, like we'll do you that if we couldn't get certain things on, whatever. But it takes away the creativity of how to get the things that you can't, and there's no creativity with it now. It's just toy, get it out there, get it out there, get it out there. And I think most of it now is because it's collectors rather than kids actually playing with them Half the time. I do believe they're making just toys for collectors, I mean yeah.

Speaker 1: 43:09

Yeah, I think that's purely what it is now I like I I got a homie fam.

Speaker 2: 43:16

His toy collection is insane you tell my top tier it's peak.

Speaker 2: 43:23

Oh yes, lord zay himself freaking good music. Go check him out, lord zay on spotify. But man, his and he actually was doing a little. He actually had he he started but he didn't keep it going. But uh, he had like a little toy podcast that he was trying to put together and like where they would like talk toys and figures and stuff like that.

Speaker 2: 43:48

Listen, I, I've gone, I have gone with this man to toy stores and I don't know how he can have the self-control that he slightly has. I mean, right now he's he does have actually really good self-control, but at the same time there are but I've also seen him be like I'm just going here, I I'm gonna take a look at a couple of things and all of a sudden I gotta buy that one almost every time if you got the money to do it shit, you probably do it too listen, I, I I've gone to a store recently with him and I saw toys that I had not seen since I was seven or eight years old, these like because I used to have a bunch of batman toys and I saw fam.

Speaker 2: 44:51

I saw at least 15 of the batman toys I used to have like fully put together with their, with their items and everything, and I was like I had this one as a toy, I had this one as a toy, I had this one and I had this one and I oh, I lost that one.

Speaker 1: 45:13

And it's right here. There's nothing worse than a lost toy. There's nothing worse than a lost toy. There's nothing worse than that I had listened to.

Speaker 2: 45:23

And now, interestingly enough, when it comes to the wrestling toys, I never see a lot of wrestling toys that I used to have at these spots like. As a matter of fact, a lot of them are often. Look, they often look like like the more newer wrestling toys. Whenever I go to these places, I don't see a lot of old like.

Speaker 2: 45:43

If I see old ones, they're like it's like a weird time frame. If they're old ones, they're like from like like 93 and back, and the new ones are usually from like ruthless aggression era, forward kind of thing, and so like the toys that we had during like the attitude era, like there will be some, but it's like it's always of like the super popular people. Like of course there's going will be some, but it's like it's always of like the super popular people. Like of course there's going to be a bunch of rocks and stone codes and stuff like that, but it's like very rarely will you find. And, and especially like if it was an undertaker, it's normally like not even in good condition or whatever. Like they're like like hella, scratched up from being beaten and abused as they should be if you were playing with them, right?

Speaker 1: 46:30

but I'm sending you the link now to that song. By the way, the one that I picked it's on Spotify, it was Thrill Switch. I remembered it properly, ah good job.

Speaker 2: 46:43

Good on you for remembering the absolute name cause.

Speaker 1: 46:47

I remember I was searching for that bad boy. I was like man, I'm tired of looking it up on YouTube and I need the actual song. So I finally found it.

Speaker 2: 46:54

Listen. That be killing me sometimes, because there's there's been a couple of times where I'll like the version of the song that I'm looking for only exists on YouTube because someone archived it extremely well. But I mean not everything. Spotify can't have everything, which it's okay especially video game music, but so songs.

Speaker 1: 47:20

That was a tough one, I feel like for anybody in the chat. Please comment your favorite wrestling song, like your absolute favorite, and see how tough.

Speaker 2: 47:30

That is the number one, your favorite wrestling song, your absolute favorite, and see how tough that is the number one? Oh, because it really is. There's a bunch of honorable mentions. I'm not even going to go into all of those.

Speaker 1: 47:39

Yeah, I feel like it's his own pod itself of favorite theme songs and I feel like that could be a good episode of just giving our top tens and why.

Speaker 2: 47:49

Because I could talk about that for hours. Oh yeah, because there's there's so many good ones. It's one of those things where it's like because I'm so, I'm so WWE centric and whatnot, but the next place that I would look for me is TNA, tna, tna. Unlike a lot of these other bro, tna has bangers yes, christian, christian cages, the, oh my god.

Speaker 1: 48:20

Yes, back in the day I'm gonna also send you um the other two, uh, and I do believe it's devil's guy, um for kenny, uh, oh, that's death rider, death rider, um john moxley's theme. I do love that one. That is a another one that is on my top list, uh, but to to get back into, oh, go ahead speaking of john moxley, because I touched on this a little bit before and I also saw you kind of you was.

Speaker 2: 48:57

You talked about it when you was doing the review type thing and so like. Tell me why I should remotely care about Jon Moxley right now. If you were going to try and convert me to be a Jon Moxley person, how would you do?

Speaker 1: 49:22

it. The issue is I can't because you don't really like deathmatch wrestling.

Speaker 2: 49:30

So what is it? Because death match wrestling does not bother me. I can watch it okay, like are you talking, like you're talking like cc, it's like czw type stuff.

Speaker 1: 49:41

Yeah, like a lot of everything a lot of his work when especially first got into aw was that. And I love the storytelling of death match wrestling, minus the explosion match that he did with Kenny during the pandemic. Most of his matches like that are really great, with storytelling Like I like brawler wrestlers. I like wrestlers who like brawling and not super. I like technical wrestlers, but I do love a good old brawler wrestlers. I like wrestlers who like brawling and not super. I like technical wrestlers but I do love a good old brawler who's like okay, the match starts, we're brawling, we're going in, we end up going out in the ring, we're going out into the audience, we're just swinging, we're just brawling. And because that's how I would be if I was a wrestler Remember how we had the conversation if you were a wrestler, you would want to be a monster.

Speaker 1: 50:30

I want to be a brawler. Austin never did a damn hole in his life. Almost He'll do it every once in a while. But he was a brawler and that's why I love characters like Jon Moxley, because that's simply what they are. Does that make sense? Why I kind of like Jon Moxley a lot.

Speaker 2: 50:50

Now, is that the only thing? Is it just because of that?

Speaker 1: 50:56

No, I mean, he does do decent promos. He does have some compelling promos where he kind of just builds up his reasonings for what he does and just his person itself. I kind of again see a lot of when he does promos. I see a lot of what I would do if I was a character like a wrestler. Is the I'm a little crazy, but I'm going to also take you on a journey of what I've been going through right and so I like that stuff too. But then also when it comes to the death match wrestling aspect, I enjoy it as well. Now is he one of my top like faves? Currently no, but like I do enjoy what he has done in AEW compared to WWE, because in WWE, just like how you said, travis Scott shirt, ass, ass. That is no WWE. Him, no, absolutely not. And I wonder if maybe from when he was Dean Ambrose did he kind of leave a. Like how you said before I was burnt from my experience. Were you scorched from your experience from when he was Dean Ambrose?

Speaker 2: 52:11

no, as a matter of fact, I liked Dean Ambrose now I so. So me and Dean Moxley Ambrose have have we've had a very rocky relationship throughout the years when he was in SHIELD. He was my absolute least favorite person in shield.

Speaker 1: 52:33

Okay, I, I hated him in shield, so perfect, perfect example because, even how our group friend group was, I was the dean ambrose of the group. Well, I would be the one that's just crazy swinging brawler type and you would definitely be more of a Seth Rollins and Antonio is completely a Roman Reigns.

Speaker 2: 52:56

So at the time I hated Seth Rollins. I mean, you are actually right, though, because I hated Seth Rollins. Roman Reigns was cute face, good looking guy, but I did prefer Seth Rollins in that bit. But after a while Dean Ambrose did kind of grow on me a little bit, but then when he broke off and he became the lunatic fringe and all that and they had the Ambrose Asylum and stuff like that, I liked it. I feel as if I would have liked him even more if he would like. I wish he would have doubled down on the the the lunatic part of his character, but probably for reasons he couldn't kind of thing. But it's like I like Dean Ambrose. When he went over the AEW and he became Jon Moxley and he had that horrible theme song when he first showed up oh yeah.

Speaker 1: 53:58

No, that theme song was kind of tough, but it was one that really had to grow on you at first.

Speaker 2: 54:04

No, but I liked him when he first came to AEW but he then I liked him when he first came and when he first was the champion and stuff like that and you know, and even when he like cause, he was kinda baby faced at that time and then he kinda I even liked him when he started going to the heel.

Speaker 2: 54:28

But nearing that, that last bit of him being a heel, and I would say honestly it's probably been up until whenever him and Daniel Bryan and Cassioli or whatever, because I still call him Cesaro Was it Cassioli or whatever, because I still call him Cesaro but Antonio. But whenever they all came together and they became that team Leading up to that point was when I started not really liking Mox Because he went through this period. Now I think, if I can start really solidly watching aw again, which I'm going to, I think I he might be bringing it back a bit more because sure, I don't, I like brawling and whatnot, but I also like brawling with a purpose a little bit, and it's like I don't mind death match wrestling but I I like necessary blood, not bleeding just for the sake of the red type thing yeah, he do.

Speaker 1: 55:38

He do be bleeding for no fucking reason.

Speaker 2: 55:39

Yeah, you are right that that do be getting a bit much, and then is the other bit about him when, during this time is like because, like he went through a, he went through a time where it was all like his promos to me were just booty, like I, I didn't like any of his promos, like he was. Just it was like as if he was, it's like he was trying to talk off the cuff and it was just kind of falling dead just is like I want to fight. If you're going to fight me, then meet me in the ring, let's do this.

Speaker 1: 56:13

There was a real big reason for that at that time Because he was battling with alcoholism. So a lot of the times he would come to the show just Hell up. So I'm not too sure if that was the period you started noticing that, because that was a very big period and he had to get that.

Speaker 2: 56:34

He had to get that checked out and maybe that was because then after that, like when it comes to the way he does things in the ring, which it's, it's, it's a lot him, but also it's a big issue I have with AEW and that is the fact that they don't sell anything.

Speaker 1: 56:56

Yeah, they don't.

Speaker 2: 56:58

Selling doesn't exist. Like I'm watching, like Mox you literally took the meanest move that would cause somebody brain damage and you kicked out at one and you stood straight up and then just continued fighting like nothing happened. And Moxley does it all the time. And I'm like if that's a whole, if that's something that is a result of death match wrestling, where it whereas like because you can take being exploded on normal wrestling moves mean nothing to you, then it's just like this is stupid. Like I I hate watching his matches sometimes because it's like you know you'll what. Like there was one time like he got hit with, like he got hit with someone's finish and it's like he kicked down, he stood up and he starts talking all of this madness and I'm like what am I watching?

Speaker 1: 57:58

yeah, um, a lot of times with wrestlers like that, when they do have a background in that you, because the audience knows that they have dealt with worse situations it kind of leads them to be a little bit like oh, you just did this. But I think a part of that is because they don't really protect their finishers.

Speaker 2: 58:19

In aew in general, there's too many false finishes and then and and well, and it's not even so much about it's the lack of selling, and it's like and maybe this is my hot take or something- oh, just get Larry Lounge. But it's like. For me, the way that selling happens is it's like it's getting less and less and they're selling less and less because they're trying to do more in a match type situation. A good example that cage match that was on AEW's pay-per-view.

Speaker 1: 59:09

Oh, you talking about Revolution. Yeah, they did a lot.

Speaker 2: 59:13

They did a lot cage match that was on AEW's pay-per-view. Oh, you talking about Revolution? Yeah, they did a lot. They did a lot the amount of times that they would do the most devastating attack to you, to someone, and they pin a kick out. It's not like a long time ago, because that's honestly where, when selling was real, you know, like when you think about like Mankind Hell in a Cell match, it's like even like with the Mankind Hell in a Cell match, right, and this might be a crazy one to compare to, but it's like he gets thrown off a cage. He gets put through a cage, he does get back up, but now, granted, we know the hindsight 2020 of it all, but, or maybe I should, well, maybe, because, yeah, you also because yeah, you gotta take into account.

Speaker 1: 1:00:03

When he first landed he probably was okay, but he took a chair to the mouth. But well, let me switch it to like the HBK one. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2: 1:00:14

If we use the HBK one, where, like everything from what I know, went the way it was supposed to. You know he's bloody, he can barely stand, he's still trying to fight, but like he's like he's knocking on death's door. Okay, Mm-hmm, mm-hmm, those two boys in that match looked like HBK and went through if not worse things than michaels did in his move, but it's like they made those things seem like it was a just a little. You know like you get tossed on thumbtacks, like you feel that, feel that. But they kicked out like it was nothing and got back up. It's are running around like crazy people and doing all this high energy stuff. When you're in a grueling match. You're bleeding. You should be tired because of the loss of blood. It's taking me out. You're not making me believe anymore.

Speaker 2: 1:01:23

It's just that you're just, it's a spot fest.

Speaker 1: 1:01:27

It's literally a spot fest at that point.

Speaker 2: 1:01:40

So it's like with moxley, it's like it's like he does he, he would do it, he does it the it feels like he does the most because he's on the tv a lot and especially during that time I haven't been watching a lot of aw now so I can't particularly say, but from the time when I do, you know, from the time that I do it, it still seems like, you know, mox has not changed the way that he does things.

Speaker 2: 1:01:58

But it's like you know moxley will get hit with like a big move, but it's like he don't sell it in his face, like he's still hurt. You know what I'm saying. Like if he was like you, you know, let's say he's like getting in, which I hate it when they do this. Like you know, let's say he's getting like like someone's working his leg and all this other stuff, and then like we're at the very ending of the match and all of a sudden he just he just sits there and he just like beats the shit out of his leg a couple of times and all of a sudden his leg is fine, he can run like nothing happened and he can springboard and jump out the ring and I was like that that's not how that works. I can't just beat the hell out of my leg and then all of a sudden I can walk on it again. No, that's, if anything, that's making my leg worse, but it's like I just.

Speaker 2: 1:02:46

It's because of that I don't like moxley right now, because it's like okay, you would be hella mad if I hit him with my fish and he just popped up. He just you know it's like pin me, bro just no, I, I do agree the selling is.

Speaker 1: 1:03:07

It's not really that great in aew it is literally a spot fest. Most of the time is the spot fest and I feel like they're doing it because they want to top the next person as much as possible. There's no, and it because at one point um con tony khan allowed the locker room to do a lot of things, have a lot of free range to do whatever they want to in their matches. And now because people have done that, yeah, somewhat, he apparently somewhat um speculation or not speculation, but you know what.

Speaker 1: 1:03:43

We've been here say here's that allegedly allegedly, but um, he is apparently dialing it back and going to more of his style. So a lot of fans are not liking the fact that he wants to make a new japan, like he's trying to make aew into a new japan the promotion, and I could see that as well and I could see that separation because while we're very used to sports entertainment, when you go to AEW to them, especially if you watch Japanese wrestling they do that shit a lot. Like I could just hit you with a Tiger Driver 93 or whatever and you kick out at two. But that's supposed to be the super finisher. So that's a lot of Japan. Is them going over the top, doing crazy spots and then somehow kicking back up and just and you're like whoa, you just just got hit with a knee, like crazy, like that was a crazy knee, you should probably be out. So because Tony Khan likes that kind of wrestling, he promotes his wrestlers to make that kind of wrestling. So new japan doesn't do it now you see it a lot back back in the day with like wrestling noah, like they used, like I.

Speaker 1: 1:04:58

I remember I recently saw a match it was um kenta and I can't remember his tag team partner name, but like homie did like, I think, a reverse, uh, poison rana, and it was like outside the ring or something like that. Oh no, they try to do a spanish fly spot and end up power bombing each other out in the concrete or some shit like that, and I was like, oh, that was a botch, but this match is over. No, they continued the spot and continued as if nothing happened. So it's just like a lot of that is just power through and make sure you do your spots. And in wwe that is not the case, like it is totally not the case. It is a story driven spectacle and that's why wrestlers like Shawn Michaels was a great storyteller in the ring and especially when you had that bad blood match, he sold, he, as we like to say, he put Taker over, he made Taker look like a million bucks, and AEW does not do stuff like that. So which is?

Speaker 2: 1:06:10

garbage which is garbage, which is sad because it's not like there's not a way where it could be done, and a good my example of it being done right is TNA. Like 2010, tna era, right, tna, I right, like TNA. I would say TNA back. For me, tna was the first time I saw false finishes of this particular caliber, where Kurt Angle will. You will see Samoa Joe hit the muscle buster and then it's all like well, that's got to be it, and then he gets the pin and then there's a kick out and it's like there's no way.

Speaker 2: 1:06:58

There's no absolute way, it can't be, but it's like the way that there's a way to do it and make me believe it you know what I'm saying, and it's like, because you know when that happens, it's like you see the pain in Kurt Angle's face when he tried, when he kicked out, like he's. Once he's kicked out, he's still out of it. And you know type thing.

Speaker 2: 1:07:25

You know Joe is like I'm tired, I don't know what else to do to put this guy down and all this other stuff, like there's they, they're there because it's late in the match. They're they're moving differently. You know, I was saying like you can see the wear and tear, like type situation. You know they're not bleeding, but it's like I'm watching the match between that cage match that they had and it's like they're crimson mask and any other time we see, when we see someone crimson masked, they're fighting and they're reacting like they're concussed, like that there's blood loss. They're dazed kind of thing. They're kind of drooping, like this and what not.

Speaker 2: 1:08:11

Nah, these guys are standing straight up with they chest out Like there's nothing, I'm not bleeding, you're bleeding. You know what I'm saying? I'm going to do this crazy ass move and drop you literally on your neck and you're going to kick out. And you're going to stand right back up and look me in the eye and be like, nah, do it again, I bet you won't. And I'm like, oh, come on then why do it? Like I'm just like, now I don't, now I'm not invested anymore.

Speaker 1: 1:08:46

I'm not invested anymore. You're taking me all the way out now. So curious question then because like, yeah, we had that cage match and then you watched the hollywood end what? How did that make you feel like? Did you feel that same way with some of the things the girls are doing?

Speaker 2: 1:09:05

so with the way, so the that match I've the selling was, in comparison, the selling a whole lot more, whole lot better they and it's not. And the other thing is they didn't do a whole lot of pinning, they just was. They were just trying to destroy each other a lot, and so it's like the fact that they were destroying each other so much. Now, there were a couple of times but, but when they would pin and then there was a kick out, they gave me that like she kicked out, but she used everything that she had to kick out. She didn't kick out and get right back up and do a super, duper, flippity, dippity, do high spot. No, she kicked out and they lied there for a minute Like damn, what am I going to do now?

Speaker 1: 1:09:58

Yeah, it's the spotty wrestling that that's Will Ospreay, will Ospreay for you.

Speaker 2: 1:10:03

In a nutshell, yeah, now don't get me wrong, will Ospreay has had some matches that I really really liked, yeah kind of thing where it was like, I mean, granted, it's, you know, a spot fiesta, but there was a believing when it came to who he was fighting, that okay, these guys are actually really damaging each other and whatnot. Like I feel it's.

Speaker 2: 1:10:30

It's funny enough to actually, when I put it that way, it's almost like aw is a video game, as like, like you know how, when you would play oh, that's crazy actually, yeah, and this is like you know both of your bodies are completely red on the indicator, showing that all parts of the body are hurt on both sides, and it's like but if you wait long enough, that wrestling character will eventually stand back up and he might walk like this. But then, though he's walking like this, though you did spend the whole match like trying to literally break his legs off, he could still run. He will jump onto the ropes and he will do a dropkick to you in the wrestling game, like as if you wasn't working on his legs the whole time. Even though you've been trying to snap his arm clean out of the socket, he will still grab you and hold you up in the air like this, like he still has all of the energy in the world because it's a video game.

Speaker 1: 1:11:40

Yeah, yes, that is actually the the best way to put it, that is, it's literally a video game.

Speaker 2: 1:11:51

And so it's like, and so it's like that's, that's AEW. Now, wwe is not off the hook Because they, they'll do it A little bit, but they only, they only just like slightly touch the surface when it comes to these like doing false finishes, like you know, and then continuing on like nothing happened. They've been better in the past, but it's like you know they're.

Speaker 2: 1:12:25

They're doing a thing where they're not selling as much, because it's the whole try to get your shit in within the time frame that you have as opposed to, but it's like WWE is still better at telling a story but it's like they still, they still do the whole trying to get your shit in, type thing, but like yeah, no, like that. It's all of that the reason why I hate it, because john moxley does it so much okay, that is.

Speaker 1: 1:12:58

That is very valid. Um, I don't know what, like, when it comes to the direction of aw and what they are doing with people like him, while he is currently one of those people. The reason why I know I kind of back him up is because you know how. You have faith in that one wrestler like I, know what he's capable of. I'm just gonna let him cook for a minute and whereas you still kind of have faith that they either go back to what they used to do or are getting better at some point, that is me, and I don't know if you even have a wrestler like that where at one point it was just like man, they are just pooping right now. I'm a big fan of them, but they're just pooping. Can't stand it.

Speaker 2: 1:13:40

I almost don't even want to like. I have a really bad habit of picking like a wrestler that I really like but like absolutely no one likes them, and it usually ends up being a situation where the wrestler does something outside of wrestling to completely like dookie on his own personal name, and then it makes it hard for me to be like man. I was really going to bat for you.

Speaker 1: 1:14:16

Like.

Speaker 2: 1:14:16

Velveteen Dream Boy. I have a horrible list, A horrible list.

Speaker 1: 1:14:22

Velveteen Dream is still one of those for me.

Speaker 2: 1:14:24

Velveteen Dream was one of them, ryback is another, alberto Del Rio is another. Yeah, yeah, listen. Yeah, those are tough names to talk about and, honestly, the one that started it all was Crispin Wall. I was a big Crispin Wall guy, you know it's like.

Speaker 1: 1:14:58

There's so many controversial takes with that, there's another wrestler who Kevin Sullivan. You was a fan of Kevin Sullivan.

Speaker 2: 1:15:10

Damn, when he was on NXT Freaking that big. Okay, yes, I was so for his character.

Speaker 1: 1:15:22

Because he was a monster. Yeah, he was a monster, yeah.

Speaker 2: 1:15:26

He was the perfect monster Inside and apparently outside of the the ring too. And so now it's. And so it's just like. You know, I got, I got the ryback beanie that I just put at the bottom of my. You know, I used to have the, the ryback armband. We just put that in the back of the closet. I, uh, I found my velveteen Dream shirt. I'm not going to throw it because I spent money on it, but we just put that underneath all the clothes because, you know, interesting.

Speaker 1: 1:16:01

I don't have anything.

Speaker 2: 1:16:03

I don't have anything. That was Alberto Del Rio, but like we just don't talk about him, no more.

Speaker 1: 1:16:10

Nah, Alberto Patron is what he is. I think he's in AAA now, but he still wrestles in AAA.

Speaker 2: 1:16:18

I mean he still wrestles, but I can't fuck with him no more because he's a woman beater and stuff.

Speaker 1: 1:16:26

Yeah, I can't fuck with him.

Speaker 2: 1:16:27

Yeah, I can't do that, I can't do that I can't, I can't, I can't, I can't, I can't. Claim you no more, bro, like as like and for a while. Uh, naya jacks was another one in the beginning, everyone's kind of because, oh, because of the uh, hurting, hurting wrestlers.

Speaker 1: 1:16:47

Okay, I was like did she do something controversial outside of the hurting the wrestlers thing? Okay.

Speaker 2: 1:16:53

Listen. When Nia Jax first came out, I was like I'm down for that. And then she was hurting people and she wasn't too good for a while. But I was all like no, no, no, I believe that she's going, she's going to turn around, she's going to make this work, she's going to correct it, she's going to fix it. And boy, it took her a very long time to do that. I was the laughing stock of the group chat for a while because, like oh hey, hey, hey, oh swag, there's naya jacks. I wonder who she's gonna, who she's gonna injure today. And I'm just like, oh boy, shut your mouth, like okay okay, okay, so now I'm curious.

Speaker 1: 1:17:36

I'm curious, braun strowman, do you like his monster character currently?

Speaker 2: 1:17:42

because to me it seems very bland um, bron stroman needs to go back to being, um, a real, not not a big sob, a mean sob. When bron stroman first showed up when he was in the wyatt family, loved it when he broke off from the wild family and he was like, just doing, he was a when he was a real monster among men. Loved it when him and Roman were doing their thing. I wanted them to fight forever like the stuff that him fam, the stuff that him and Roman were just doing to each other, going back and forth with it. It was perfect because, like Roman is this strong, is a strong character, and then Braun Strowman is this brick wall monster among men. When he was a real monster among men. Now he's just a man among monsters.

Speaker 2: 1:18:48

As far as I'm concerned, I still like him, but it's like he's. He's just a man among monsters. As far as I'm concerned, I still like him, but it's like he's. He's um, like braun strowman's, kind of suffering from the whole fact of like, bro, I've seen photos of you like hanging out with your boys and like pink undies. Like that's not, that's not very monster of you anymore yeah, he has photos of that.

Speaker 1: 1:19:09

That's crazy. Well, I don't think necessarily pink, oh so it's just like him doing normal people stuff or weird stuff. Yeah, yeah, yeah, Okay okay. He's your good friend love and dude. Broke kayfabe.

Speaker 2: 1:19:28

It's not even so much the him breaking broke kayfabe well and as well as things like it's not even so much the like the him breaking the kayfabe bothers me so much. But I feel as if it kind of bled into regular, regular it bled into wrestling, kind of thing oh, yeah, because yeah, like they kind of like brought that into his character, type thing.

Speaker 2: 1:19:49

Yeah, they, uh, they, uh, they humanized the monster, to so to say, and so that's why, now you know, I'm preferring your big brunson reeds and your crazy and your crazy Samoan Fatu's.

Speaker 1: 1:20:10

Jacob Fatu is so damn good so damn good yes you gotta watch Smackdown. You gotta watch Smackdown. You gotta watch Smackdown.

Speaker 2: 1:20:23

There is a segment between the two and Jacob gets his and it's good listen and it's crazy that they're bringing that back, because they literally last uh, saturday night main event, jacob and bronx from it had a match and jacob won and then proceeded to beat the brakes off of bron Strowman and Braun Strowman disappeared for a minute. So it's interesting that they brought Braun Strowman has come back and they're going back at it again. I am going, which is cool with me because I still like Braun, but Braun was definitely better before he left well before he left wwe or he got released, yeah like before, yeah, before he ended up disappearing from wwe the first time.

Speaker 2: 1:21:20

Uh, like I like that braun strowman more than I like braun strowman right now, and actually thinking I do believe he also was injured for a bit there too. But, uh, but, yeah, that's, yeah, I'm that's where I'm at when it comes to that thing.

Speaker 1: 1:21:37

You are a huge fan of monster characters, and it does prove it. So that means like luchasaurus or kill switch. Now you're more likely a fan of him because he gives Kane vibes. He gives so many Kane vibes In the very beginning, absolutely.

Speaker 2: 1:21:56

I mean, I still think he's cool and whatnot, but it's like they're just not doing nothing for him.

Speaker 1: 1:22:00

He's just kind of there. It's like well, so then, now, in the future, I'm going to have to do, I'm going to have to ask you a question of your favorite monster characters and I'll give you my favorite brawlers that is a good question.

Speaker 2: 1:22:19

That's actually something I'm gonna have to think about. Yep, but that does excuse me. That does actually. First off, what are we looking like on time?

Speaker 1: 1:22:30

I feel like we got good for one more question.

Speaker 2: 1:22:34

Okay. One more question. Cool, because that segues directly into my next question, and so, and although now that I'm looking at, okay, no, no, no, I just wrote it down incorrectly. So for WWE across the board, across the board, all time favorite guy and girl wrestler from anywhere, wwe, anywhere, right correct sheesh and girl wrestler from anywhere, wwe anywhere right correct.

Speaker 1: 1:23:13

Sheesh, I gotta think of the female one first, because the male one's not as hard. Um, hmm, hmm, if you want.

Speaker 2: 1:23:38

I was like if you need more time to think of it, because I have mine already give me yours real quick. I kind of think I have it, but give me yours real quick so because that you were trying to figure out for the females and, uh, as I looked at the answers that I put, I think, when it boils down to force myself to pick one and it's, and it's extremely close, like it's first place and believe, and actually, now that I said it out loud it's, it absolutely is melina, because number one she is.

Speaker 2: 1:24:42

Drop that gorgeous, beautiful person she is. Well, she is indeed an actual beautiful person, like melina, the person outside of wrestling a wonderful individual kind of thing, but she is also a beautiful person to look at.

Speaker 2: 1:25:02

Gorgeous I was when she first came out. Well, I was in the way and from it. But then her evolution from being with eminem all the way up until her last bit, before she ended up leaving wwe, she developed as a wrestler. She developed as a wrestler in the same way that Trish Stratus did. Where she just got, she just got better and better and better and better, while also just being fine as hell type thing, bro, you know well. No, you do understand.

Speaker 1: 1:25:51

Yeah, I know, I know, I know, I know, like like let me put it this way, I I've.

Speaker 2: 1:26:01

When I saw her in person the first time, I was too shy to even approach. I just admired it from afar, like it was when I was like that's, melina, are you gonna go over there? No, I'm good, I'm good and I I legitimately didn't go over there. I just like, just like. Like, like that kid is like looking at their crush, like what do I even say to her I don't, I don't have any money to like buy a, buy merch or buy a picture, and so I'm like I don't like if I go over, I'm gonna be like super awkward and like stuttering and stuff, and maybe now's not the time, and I and I I legitimately didn't go but for the same reasons is the same.

Speaker 2: 1:27:00

Yeah, and the same reason why aj lee was that? Because when melina left, aj lee showed up and aj lee was literally my melina replacement.

Speaker 1: 1:27:13

So all the feelings I had for melina, all the feelings that I had for melina all the felix that I had for melina.

Speaker 2: 1:27:20

I dumped them on aj lee and went full tilt.

Speaker 1: 1:27:23

That's crazy he said man, forget that, shorty, I'm on to the next it's not even so much forget.

Speaker 2: 1:27:31

It was just the fact that like she wasn't there anymore and not only was she not there anymore, but like, like she didn't, she didn't go anywhere that I could watch her on TV. Because back then and even a little bit till now, like I'm lazy, I love the Indies are cool, but I'm not going to like surf YouTube to watch you on the Indies, kind of thing. If it does not come readily available to me. I'm probably not going to watch unless I absolutely have to or if I can have a surefire way to see it. And plus, I don't think melina really did any indies when she like originally left wwe. So I was brokenhearted. And then aj lee came through and she's all like don't worry, I'm here'm here now, it's okay. And I was like it is okay, we're here. And so AJ Lee filled that spot. And then when AJ Lee left, I was brokenhearted for a very long time Because when AJ Lee disappeared there was no female to fill that void, and then I met.

Speaker 2: 1:28:45

Charlotte Flair. Yeah, earl likes.

Speaker 1: 1:28:47

Charlotte Flair nowadays. No, I do not like the Charlotte Flair. Do not like the Charlotte Flair.

Speaker 2: 1:28:54

She's not the way she was before then so you know how like dudes get when they have like that girl is like um, like the girl switches up on them but they're, but they just kind of like, just just, they just like go with it and deal with it, and then they homeboys will be like bro, like why do you just stick with her, it's all, like I mean she ain't that bad, like she's good. That's me With Charlotte Flair, because I mean I understand why everybody hates it and don't like her and stuff like that. But like at the end of the day, you know she she's the queen, she's my queen.

Speaker 1: 1:29:36

Yeah, I mean no, like I said, I it's just I don't know where her shift is, has been, but like before she took that time away, she, she was definitely the queen. But I've noticed that when she has came back the shift is like she's not physically. She does not look the way she used to look before and the and I'm very big on like how she presented herself then to how she presents herself now. It is not the same. It's the. It goes from more from wrestler to glamour. Every time I, when she comes back, because early 2000s, straight pure wrestler, you know, obviously she had the rick flair theme behind it, but when she got in that ring, she, she looked like a wrestler.

Speaker 2: 1:30:28

Now it's super glamour to me and I don't like that well see, the the thing with with charlotte flair right now is the fact that, yeah, when she was, when she was originally here, she was, indeed she was. She was queen, she had a reason to call herself queen, but since she was gone, so many she's, she's what she's. In that situation where it's like so many things have changed, everyone has moved on from the queen, and they're they're, they're looking to crown somebody else and she's all like, no, no, the crown still belongs here. Now the other thing is, from what I've seen, because the other thing is the fact that she really hasn't had any matches since she's come back.

Speaker 1: 1:31:13

She had her first match on SmackDown.

Speaker 2: 1:31:17

Okay. So if she just had her first match just now, when was the royal rumble? The royal rumble was like what? That was back in january, january that was january yeah yeah, so the reason why you're only seeing the glitz and the glamour is because my queen knows how to dress and that's all she's been doing but even when she came back, her outfit was too glamour to me.

Speaker 1: 1:31:43

That's what I'm saying, like even then my brother in christ.

Speaker 2: 1:31:47

Her outfit she's always, but she is a flair. She's a flair bruv, not just a flair, but a flair with the female parts.

Speaker 1: 1:32:01

So there's going to be glam okay, I, I would have to show you like a boom boom and like the differences for me. But uh, of course she got some surgery done.

Speaker 2: 1:32:14

You know she's, she's, she's been plasticed up a little bit, but I mean that that, that is, and also, like you know, age is starting to creep a little there, but it's like that's, that's really, that's all, that is like, yeah, you, you can't, it's what it says, like you can't really compare the wrestling, especially since she literally has not wrestled since the royal rumble, and the royal rumble is it barely counts as wrestling.

Speaker 1: 1:32:40

I wasn't talking about her. I'm talking about the presentation of her, currently the presentation. Yeah, yeah, we'll see because her match. She had a match she had a match with b-fab and it was a pretty damn good match, uh. But you definitely gotta see the after segment, that shit, like you, you know how tiffany stratton in charlotte flair's match, that's kind of like, okay, it's a match, but like the segment from smackdown, I'm all in now. I'm in, I'm.

Speaker 2: 1:33:11

I'm in b let's see, yeah, that's the thing, though, because it's like, because the other deal was is the fact that, like when, when, when she was on her queen ish prior kind of thing, she was well, number one she was, she was wrestling all the time. So it wasn't often that you saw her like all dressed up and you know, type thing she would be in her robe because she's going to go out there and wrestle, type deal, or she's going to actually do something. But even then, like, if you saw the outfits that she was wearing before, she was flaring it up pun intended, like she was, he was glam, was queen, and she was at the time proving it. And now she's in her bag of I am queen and I have nothing to prove to you, peons, but no one's trying to hear all that because everyone has moved away from Queen Charlotte and they're all like no, you've been gone for a minute, there's, there's new queens around here, kind of thing, so you gotta step in line. And she's on her. That's not happening, ish, right now.

Speaker 2: 1:34:28

Like she's, she's in her, uh, she, she's kind of sort of in her certsy era for those who watch game of thrones. Like when she like, like, because cersei went through that point where she saw herself as the queen but she wasn't actually the queen. And now and then. But now, after charlotte has been shamed with her with the injury that she had, she's been gone for a minute with uh, cersei in game of thrones. After she had to walk through that walk of shame through the streets, butt naked and what not. Shortly after that she became the queen. She freaking, used that green fire and burned down the monastery and she took the crown, took the throne, and no one could tell her nothing. And that's currently the path that Charlotte Flair is on. So that's why she's walked around like she is big pimp and spin the g's because that's what she believes in. And but right now no one's trying to hear it because she's been gone for so long and I feel. But that's enough about me defending my queen see in my in my situation again.

Speaker 1: 1:35:40

Obviously you already know I'm a big fan of brawlers, so my two picks and I have to battle between the two is one of them, shayna Baszler, because I miss NXT Shayna. I miss that shit. When she was, when she was, when she was doing her thing in NXT, that was like she was killing it. But ever since then, obviously, when she went to main roster and she had that one moment with the Survivor Series and then had a one minute elimination chamber, it's like okay, cool, we're finally getting that, but now it's gone. So it was between that and um and oscar, because thus that is another person where oscar was amazing in the beginning and then now creative doesn't know what to do with her. So she's just kind of floating and there's no one that's that was one of my top favorites is doing something like you.

Speaker 1: 1:36:53

Remember how you just said earlier you picked like the people who are like nobody's actually likes them, but not the fact that they're doing something bad, it's just this is my favorite, but they're not doing anything right now and I hate it compared to the people who are top, who are doing things consistent, right, like the tiffy strattons and stuff like that and live morgan, I like live morgan. Liv Morgan I like Liv Morgan. Don't think she should be like champion compared to like having somebody like obviously Rhea, bianca and stuff like that, but they're like not my top faves and I feel like I love Bianca, love Bianca, love Rhea. It's just nobody currently in that roster makes me go crazy and it's kind of like everybody is in a man. I love the entire division. Now, jordan Grace now that she's there, I'm really looking forward to seeing what she does, because if they give her the presentation she deserves, it's gonna be Jordan Grace fair.

Speaker 2: 1:38:13

Okay, but for now. But at the moment it's right now.

Speaker 1: 1:38:20

it's oh, so right now right now it's Actually, I'm going to have to put Jordan Grace in there. So I'm going to say currently, right now, I'm going to take a gamble on Jordan Grace, jordan Grace, that's my favorite right now. I'm going to take Gamma on that one.

Speaker 2: 1:38:43

Understood, and that's for the female side.

Speaker 1: 1:38:48

Yes, for guys it's obviously going to be Kane.

Speaker 2: 1:38:57

Yeah, no, Kane is the all-time favorite for the dude yeah, yeah, yeah yeah which which was why I was like I, because I I mentioned it the last last time but like, yeah, kane is all-time favorite. I don't have to go into why.

Speaker 1: 1:39:12

It's the reasons why he's my favorite, same reason why he's on the mount rush Greatest main event jobber of all time, and it's funny it is funny because Penta would be the same way for me, because anywhere he's gone he's been somewhat of a main event jobber, except Lucha.

Speaker 2: 1:39:36

Now is he your all time Like well. And I also am saying like this is now is he your all time like well. And I also am saying like this is all time for WWE.

Speaker 1: 1:39:46

So okay, so wait, so, wait. So when we were talking about that before, that was all time anywhere, I thought it was all time anywhere no, no, no.

Speaker 2: 1:39:58

This was specifically with well, I was saying no, no, no, no. This was specifically with uh, well, I, I was saying across the board in WWE oh, I mean. Jordan Grace does technically still count she's signed in WWE now she's there now but she did most of her magic.

Speaker 1: 1:40:22

We can't count that then. We can't count that then.

Speaker 2: 1:40:25

She did most of her magic in Impact Wrestling and a little bit in TNA.

Speaker 1: 1:40:33

So, then, that changes things. That definitely changes things. This is See, you had a chance to battle with this in your head and now I got to be put into that spot of like. So what you going to do here, buddy, because this really says a lot. So geez, dude. So WWE For the guys I'm going to come back to women.

Speaker 2: 1:41:13

Yes, so I'm talking from Golden Era to this Triple H era, all time favorite wrestler.

Speaker 1: 1:41:28

It's gonna be wild to say this one for the guys, because when I grew, up I hated. No, what the fuck? Oh no, absolutely not, absolutely not. It is. He's not a good person right now to be behind. Yep, he's on that list. Yeah, he don't believe in trans rights, so it's like alright, man, I can't rock with you no more, bro back in the day can't rock with you no more, bro. All those back in the day can't rock with you, no more.

Speaker 2: 1:42:04

All right, um, if we're talking about that that time. On uh, on uh, no mercy that he used to do that yes, yes, you know and it's funny how he also had a segment.

Speaker 1: 1:42:15

You know stuff like that too. But, um, all time and the only and I'm saying this and I used to hate his guts, still fucking hate his guts. But then as I grew older and started loving heels, there was no better person than fucking triple h. Hands down, triple H is my favorite heel back in the day and it's specifically 2000 era. Triple H, the Hunter, the Hunter, uh, the the Helmsley regime best time for me, cause then even still get to interact with Kane and making him do certain things that he did. So but, um, triple, triple H, it's gonna be Triple H because I feel like, while Austin had a great run because I would have said Austin, austin had a great run he, he didn't get me going like how Hunter did.

Speaker 1: 1:43:12

And there's one specific match that it's kind of like my top favorite match of all time. It's the one one with him versus Cactus Jack at Royal Rumble. That is like my favorite damn match. It's the buildup. It was the package that built that matchup and you just really wanted to root for Cactus. But you just know Triple H is going to win this and there was just something about that match that I was like at that point in time, hunter was like and this is the guy, this is the guy for me, so it's Triple H. And now having to think back to it all time, women, it's gotta be Trish Stratus. It's gotta be Trish Stratus in my heart of hearts.

Speaker 2: 1:44:09

That's what I knew it's gotta be Trish.

Speaker 1: 1:44:13

but you say, like around the board from, like who's a better wrestler to me? But like Trish, st stratus was just obviously a wrestler and a personality and you know through her and that's what also made it tough, because I'm looking at from the trajectory of I don't really go back for like for a favorite to me. I gotta kind of go back and watch her matches a lot, and I do that often with Asuka and Shayna, but I don't do it a lot with Trish. So that's why I made it tough, because I'm thinking about rewatchability. Who am I going to present to a person Like, oh, this is my favorite wrestler, I'm presenting this to you. That's kind of how I thought about it.

Speaker 1: 1:45:01

If you're trying to prevent something, if you're trying to say, if somebody says who's your favorite wrestler and why I automatically show them a match, that says this is why. So I don't have that with Trish, because there's only like one match with Trish that I'm like yo, you gotta watch that. And it was the Raw where she went against Lita for the title and I think that was supposed to be either lita's last match or trish's last match, I can't remember um well you do know the one I'm talking about, though, right if you're, if you said on raw, then that wouldn't have been her any of their last matches.

Speaker 2: 1:45:39

Because I'm maybe, I'm wrong, I'll probably maybe I might be wrong too. I might be wrong too, because I was about to say, the last match that trish strass had against lita was at a pay-per-view you're right, you're right.

Speaker 1: 1:45:52

You're right, you're right. That was just a title match. Okay, I something told me. Something in my brain said that, um, that match specifically was uh, like a career ender kind of thing. I don't know why, but I think that was also the match where Lita Scorpion like crazy, crazy Scorpion yes, that?

Speaker 2: 1:46:13

ooh, yes, that was indeed. Yeah, that Scorpion was was rough, rough rough. Um, yeah, that scorpion was was rough and to confirm because I decided to do the, it was indeed a pay-per-view and it was.

Speaker 1: 1:46:32

It was unforgiven 2006 okay, okay, but um, yeah, that's a tough because I feel like man, I get 2006. Okay, that's a tough because I feel like man, I get off the pod and I'm like why the hell did I pick Hunter when it was supposed to be? And so it's like that's a tough question, I think, for any fan.

Speaker 2: 1:46:55

Listen, I will allow you to think on it and possibly change change your choice as a matter of fact, because I'm I'm pretty certain, we're pretty. Uh, we should be right there on time.

Speaker 1: 1:47:10

Yes, yes, we very much are I will.

Speaker 2: 1:47:13

I will even give you what the next question is going to be, because I'm going to get the WWE ones out of the way because, I want to know what was the all time favorite and so you don't answer now we'll do it next week but the next question was going to be what is your current favorite wrestler in WWE? Okay, see now, yeah, okay, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, okay, okay okay, this oh wait, we lost you, this one was harder for me than it was no, you're here.

Speaker 1: 1:47:55

You're here. We just lost you for a second wait. Did I lose you completely? Oh no, you're here. We just lost you for a second Wait. Did I lose you completely? Oh no, the last minute of the pod. Don't tell me I lost him, dude.

Speaker 2: 1:48:07

Really.

Speaker 1: 1:48:10

You're here. You're here. You just froze for a minute. I want to make sure you see that freeze frame, bro. That was crazy.

Speaker 2: 1:48:16

Jesus, we was doing so well and then, at the very last bit of the podcast, we get hit with the lag.

Speaker 1: 1:48:23

God dog, we got hit with lag, but it was never bad. It was like a clip second, like a little second, but it wasn't bad. It wasn't bad, but that was bad.

Speaker 2: 1:48:35

But yeah, trying to pick my current favorites was definitely harder and even then, I'm looking at what I picked and I actually still have to narrow it down to just being one. As for all-time favorites, that was simple and the thing I was going to say, and I'll let us be able to rest on it when it came to Trish Stratus, in my mind I knew it was Trish Stratus Because as children it was always Trish Stratus.

Speaker 1: 1:49:03

It was always Trish, it was, but it was Trish and Tori.

Speaker 2: 1:49:08

Like going back then. Yes, yeah, I was. Yep, exactly, I was wondering if you would remember. Yep, you was Trish Stratus, I had Tori Wilson.

Speaker 1: 1:49:18

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And the thing about it is, I wasn't trying to think with horny brain, I was trying to think with, like all right, man, great wrestler. But nah, horny brain it's always going to say Trish Stratus, and it also wrestler brain too, because you know she was a great wrestler as well.

Speaker 2: 1:49:40

well, in your defense, that was the only brain they was making you think with back then yes, yes, yes, yes.

Speaker 1: 1:49:49

But then we got, if you got good other wrestlers like ivory, I was great too. I was great um, you know, especially jackie, jacqueline and jazz. I was gonna say victoria too, but it was like no, it's like because she had a good run in wwe but then a lot of her better stuff to me was in tna. So it's like which is fair, it's like that's a wwe question. So that's like, if we start going to TNA stuff, that's tough, bro, I'm sorry you go TNA, that's tough, that's so tough.

Speaker 2: 1:50:23

Because of the way that TNA is and the way TNA works, like I might, we're going to have to spend like just a full podcast on TNA.

Speaker 1: 1:50:32

Yeah, that's tough. That's so tough, bro. That's so tough Because TNA back in the day was just too good.

Speaker 2: 1:50:41

oh, it was great. It was. It is great and I'm I'm desperately needing to get myself back into the mix with it because it's yeah, they're good. Again, I mean, I feel as if there wasn't necessarily a point where they weren't good, but they were. They were not great, but like, and there's a small, there's a block of TNA that I missed, that. Like I hear of the great things that did happen and I'm just like, ah well, we'll get there, we'll get back to those things.

Speaker 1: 1:51:13

But TNA right now is popping.

Speaker 1: 1:51:16

That is true, but I'm gonna definitely sit on that question. I feel like as I review this, I'm probably gonna think in my head like man of all time, bro, why you didn't pick Jake the snake, why you didn't pick like so we gonna have to come back to that question in my brain, cause that one's a tough one, dude. But I do want to thank you for your time. Swag Switch, as always.

Speaker 1: 1:51:40

I know you are currently out and about. You got to do your things over there in Texas and I want to say everybody else you know in the comment section please tell me your answers to your favorite WWE wrestler all time, and then same thing with your favorite female WWE wrestler of all time. And see, was it that tough of a question for you too? Some of you are probably going to have a straight hands down answer. Some of you are probably going to have to think about it for a minute. But just from the male, female side, who was your favorite wrestler? And I think the other question was your favorite theme song, favorite theme song across the board. What is your favorite? Please put those in the comment section as well. We would love to review them and have to continue the conversation in the chat.

Speaker 2: 1:52:29

But for the time being it's the Masako and it's your boy Swag Switch in the building and the ones who are putting the comments in the comment section. Don't be afraid to admit that your favorite female wrestler was Bertha Faye, because she got room in my heart too.

Speaker 1: 1:52:42

Bertha Faye, I love you.

Speaker 2: 1:52:48

Bertha Faye was a bad bitch. You know what I'm saying oh, my Bertha Faye. What words could I possibly say?

Speaker 1: 1:53:07

Yo, that's a throwback. You know what Underrated theme song no, no, no, no, no. That should be another one. This is real quick before we go on. Our favorite funny theme song, Because remember we had certain ones that we were just like. This is hilarious. This is our favorite one. I know where this is going.

Speaker 2: 1:53:31

You know that's gonna be a whole bunch of laughs. He's a man, such a man such a man.

Speaker 1: 1:53:40

Yes, that is definitely going to lead into that, but we're going to save that for another episode. Guys, until next time you're chilling here with the big brothers of destruction podcast, and thank you for hanging out with us. Until next time, peace. Till next time, peace Deuces.