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The wrestling world is still reeling from WrestleMania's controversial ending, and we're diving straight into the chaos! What happened to The Final Boss storyline that dominated WWE programming for months? Why did Travis Scott randomly appear during John Cena's heel turn instead of The Rock? Something clearly went wrong behind the scenes, and we're piecing together the evidence from The Rock's revealing Pat McAfee interview.
Despite the creative missteps, John Cena proves why he's the GOAT by masterfully pivoting to a compelling new narrative. His "ticking clock" championship storyline has instantly created high stakes – if no one defeats him before his limited dates expire, he'll retire with the championship and end its prestigious lineage. The urgency is palpable on both Raw and SmackDown as Cena trades incredible promos with Randy Orton while consistently ending up on the receiving end of attacks.
We also explore Gunther's shocking tap-out to Jey Uso that had wrestling media spiraling into "crash out mode," WWE's creative recovery attempt through the Michael Cole/Pat McAfee attack angle, and the deeper psychology of wrestling fandom. What keeps us coming back to wrestling for decades despite occasional disappointments? Between the 365-day storytelling, the communal experience, and wrestling's unique position as must-see live entertainment in a binge-watching world, there's something special about this art form that continuously pulls us back in.
The conversation turns personal as we reveal what our own wrestling personas would be if we stepped into the squared circle. From Mazaku's monster-for-hire concept to Swag Switcher's flashy "Plat Diesel" character and "Advocate of Chaos" alternative personality, our fantasy booking runs wild!
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Speaker 2:Man, it is the maziku it's your boy swag switcher in the building I almost took it on accident that time.
Speaker 1:I realized I paused midway and I almost said your boy, and I stopped. But it's devosaku and we got swags with you here with another episode. Man, it's the crazy week of wrestling that we have going on. Man, wrestlemania just ended. We got the finish of the century that no wrestling fan wanted. We we have, for some reason, travis Scott coming out to help John Cena when there is no final boss present.
Speaker 1:The final boss was the centerpiece of this. He made this all about selling your soul. John Cena apparently sold his soul, but we don't know what he sold his soul for, and it looks like maybe he sold his soul for Travis Scott. That's what it looks like. That's what we got. And, uh, we got what I really wanted from Mania and that was Cena winning the title and, interestingly enough, he has now created the, the ticking clock. That is, I have this belt and either somebody takes it from me or I'm going to be the last remaining champion or this title, and we're going to go into that promo in a second. But I kinda I'm kinda glad we're getting this, but mania side most I mean it's're getting this but mania side. What does that mean Going back into mania. What were your thoughts from mania and how the whole Travis Scott situation imploded?
Speaker 2:Stupid, there's no other way to put it. It's stupid. Listen, I have probably absorbed, ingested, digested, eaten, slept, drank such a large amount of wrestling this week from Saturday Actually I won't even include Saturday From last Sunday to right now, when we're doing this recording, which is on Sundays, posting on Mondays the amount of wrestling that I have just been eating this week. I don't think I've ever ingested so much wrestling information ever in all of my times of enjoying wrestling, and it's mostly just been because of the fact of the absolute tomfoolery that happened at WrestleMania absolute tomfoolery that happened at wrestlemania. I have because and there's almost a part of me that's like I almost might have like dug too deep and found out more information than I needed to, to the point where I'm like damn, am I putting the tinfoil hat on too? Am I like? Am I like buying into some of this extra, extra? And I'll explain myself Before I do. Have you seen or heard the Pat McAfee show with Dwayne Johnson?
Speaker 1:Yes, the bullshit that the Rock said about why he didn't want to do the thing at Mania. He was like, oh man, I feel like the final boss doesn't want to do the thing at mania. He was like, oh man, I feel like the final boss doesn't need to be here anymore. You guys go for it. You got it. What wait? What do you mean?
Speaker 2:you made this about you 100 and in the in this whole process, because I, you know, we have the group chat that we always bring up, which, for all intents and purposes, the reason why this has even kind of begun, and so it's like I see the things in the group chat, I talk to some of my more level-headed friends that are into wrestling and how they feel about certain things and it's, and then I also went out and explored the wild blue yonder of wrestling podcast stuff and let me just say, in more ways than one, this week has been crash out week, fam. Literally. People have been crashing out hard.
Speaker 1:Literally.
Speaker 2:From busted open. Yes, things like David Bam Crash out season is among us. There's this one guy I think he's like his.
Speaker 1:It's like john, something I know you're talking about he has like just like, yeah, he has like a new york city background or something like that. He is the complete crash out because, like when he talks about aw, the way he talked about this, it's like oh, I I look at us as a podcast and I'm like I think we're tame bros very tame, oh very, but nowhere near like.
Speaker 2:I may get passionate about certain things, like the horrible parenting skills of our raw general manager and why certain people shouldn't be in matches or we should not reward bad behavior, but I don't get that crazy. I might talk my shit about aw, but I'm not about to go full crash out season on how bad their collision might have been and how it didn't further nothing but and we're, and we're not saying it is bad, we're not saying it is bad at all.
Speaker 1:What we're saying is there is a level of passion that we're okay, I think I don't want to say because we're in an older like bracket of wrestling fans, because these guys are older than us. It's just I guess we don't like, we don't get as upset, we'll be like all right, so what are you about to do with this? Like I'm mad, but what are you about to do to fix this? Because you gotta fix it, otherwise it's bad. So we'll like it's like we'll fall off the ride for a second, oh okay, but we'll get back on, like, okay, we'll, we ride it out. And some people are just not wanting to ride it out.
Speaker 2:Listen, there are. And then there are also some people who are just like who will do the thing? Where it's all like man, this is trash. Oh well, this is like how are you just? All right, I mean, if that's how you nonchalantly react to it. But get back to the whole thing with the Rock. One of the things and I know for a good bit of it was just because I'm like, am I the only one who's thinking this way? And it's just because there's a lot of people who are all like I'm glad the Rock wasn't there and I'm like I can understand you not wanting Dwayne Johnson in your soup. All right, because you know the Rock's kind of sort of kind of been a little recently. But in regards to the situation that's going on For it to make sense, how can you sit here and be all like thank God, the Rock wasn't there, he was a?
Speaker 2:key ingredient to the dish that was that match, and it's one of those deals where there's a part of me that feels that, because they could have easily just written off the Rock, all they had to say, all John Cena needed to do was be like I used the rock to get at cody rhodes. The real reason why I'm doing this is because of, and then move forward with everything that he has said thus far he could.
Speaker 1:He could have even did a. Um, I did it so that way I can catch Cody being vulnerable Because, like you know, something of that nature, right, that would have made more sense.
Speaker 2:Because then at that point we're like oh so the Rock actually did not have anything to do with it. The Rock was just a small trick to set this whole thing trickling down the lane. All right, cool, that's fine. But could you imagine we could have accepted that?
Speaker 1:But could you imagine, though like as much as Cena was talking all that smack about the Rock years ago for Mania match, and like just the back and forth constantly picking at him about you know, writing his promo on his arm and all that kind of stuff to them be the new Hollywood power trip? Like we as fans wanted that so bad. We were supposed to get that.
Speaker 2:I won't even say, that's what we needed that's oh no, that's what we needed. We needed that so when it comes to that, I would say because, only because the Rock made himself relevant to the story is the only reasons why we needed it. We did not actually need the Rock period. No, because take the Rock out of this situation honestly. Everything, everything that happened, especially with the way that everything happened, if if you just what is it?
Speaker 2:what's that google phone that they got? Now you use that google phone to erase the rock in the travis scott picture, kind of thing. From elimination chamber all the way to wrestlemania, everything could have happened exactly the same, like I mean, almost down to the t. You know, like cody rose could have came out there to celebrate with, with uh, with, with um, with john cena. They're celebrating, celebrating Pyro goes off, they're going for the hug and stuff like that. John Cena's like kick him in the nuts and then John Cena beats the hell out of him in the middle of the ring by himself.
Speaker 1:Apparently, from what Cena said, this turn wasn't supposed to happen at well from Cena and Rock. Apparently this turn wasn't supposed to happen at Elimination Chamber. This was supposed to happen at well from Cena and Rock. Apparently this turn wasn't supposed to happen at Elimination Chamber. This was supposed to happen at Mania.
Speaker 2:Oh, I'm going to get to that piece in a moment. I'm just saying how everything could have happened the exact same way that it did all the way up to WrestleMania, with how they currently did it. With that, because, if you listen out of all those little presidential debate promos that cody rhodes and john cena had, cody rhodes only one time, only one time, brought up the fact that he sold his soul to the rock once, and then you know what john cena did in response to it? He, no, sold it and completely ignored the whole. I sold my soul to the rock thing. All right.
Speaker 2:So if, if they, if, if they would not have brought it up that time and then kept on going forward, it would have been as if the rock never happened. But because the rock was there, and maybe, maybe you and I are just weird people and with the way that we think, because, like, there are people who I know and there's especially some of the people are like in our, in our wrestling chat, there are just kind of like, yeah, no, I'm pretty cool with the fact that the Rock did not show up not one time throughout that whole situation. For the most part, they're all like the. They're like, the less Dwayne Johnson on my TV, the better, and I'm just like but, but, but that doesn't make any sense.
Speaker 1:Well, I think I understand where they're coming from because, as a fan of who the Rock was, because as a fan of who the rock was, I'm a fan of who the rock was. This current rock, I'm not a fan of it. I'm kind of honestly over it. So I can see where they're coming from from that angle. That angle of just seeing duane in general is like you're not who you used to be and it's not like in a. He can't be himself. It's just the electricity. He's a battery. That battery is dying bro. That electricity is. It's not as electric as it was before. Right now it's like a static shock or a dying battery. It's just.
Speaker 2:It's just no more energy, bro I think a lot of that, and especially with the stuff that I've been hearing and seeing with these other peoples and the tinfoil hat conspiracies and what not, because a lot of people are out here saying the fact that they believe that there's a power trip going on between the Rock and Triple H because when he did that interview, right, how he was just kind of saying, like you know, like a lot of people were saying the fact that his little H because when he did that interview, right, how he was just kind of saying, like you know, like a lot of people were saying, the fact that his little cleanup was his, the cleanup that he was doing was almost like a way of him being all like, hey, listen, what all that stuff that happened? That wasn't my idea, that was triple H and all them that's that's just.
Speaker 1:That's just the rock being the rock and he's done as much. I think he's done this three times now because they've apparently for somebody had pointed out this is like the third time the rock has had to come on and interview some sort and explain what he has done wrong about mania, like how he has fucked up mania. And I remember it was the one um no, actually it was three times in a sense of a scenario. So it was the, the Cody situation where he robbed Cody of the match. So he had to come on and explain that. And then the outcome of, um, something else. I think it was at mania. He had to explain that and that's why we got that documentary of the breakdown for mania. And then now he had to do it again to explain what the hell was that dude like you just want to show up the mania just to be a part of it and like well, I don't really actually want to be a part of it, I just wanted to help make the magic and it's like okay, but you as a wrestler know that storytelling is very key to selling us to a match. You have now inserted yourself in a person. We want no parts of our wrestling because you know, we only got we only got one music artist in the wrestling industry that I know of that could be a really good wrestling.
Speaker 1:That's Bad Bunny. Ok, Bad Bunny was good. Give that man some credit. He was good. He's not. And I hate to's not, and I hate to say this, I hate to say this. Do not crucify me. He is not Logan Paul good, I mean.
Speaker 1:I stand by that if we're talking about celebrities coming into it that's fair.
Speaker 2:However, I believe Logan Paul has. I mean no, no, no, you're right, I'll let it be.
Speaker 1:That's what I'm saying. It's like one of those. You may not like the dude, he's done some really bad stuff, but man, if he was just a wrestler right now, I low-key be like expunged. Expunged Some of of it, not all of it, but expunged. Why some of that clean keep doing this? It's just like how people in music are there. There are certain artists who have done some very crazy things, but when they drop an album, well all is forgiven.
Speaker 2:I mean you're not wrong. Listen, if, if, if we can forgive and and still dance with chris brown, then sure we can turn. Turn a blind eye a little bit to the past.
Speaker 1:That is paul logan paul and we can talk about with R Kelly. You know, allegedly whenever that whole film came out and he made step, step, side to side and everybody completely forgot that shit like.
Speaker 2:I mean listen everyone when it came to R Kelly and even right now like people are doing the thing where it's all like separate the art from the artist even right now, people are doing the thing where it's all like Separate the art from the artist. Honestly, that's where they're at with that. I'm on it too.
Speaker 1:I'm sorry, but trapped in the closet. Trapped in the closet, bro. He made AJ nothing but a number, even though it's a wild topic. Butiyah made that song, that too, so it's like uh like I mean.
Speaker 2:I mean, you know, a lot of famous people piss on other people. I'm dead allegedly well, not well, oh yeah, I don't know I don't, I don't remember, I don't remember it. So I'm just saying allegedly, just in case I'm gonna say I mean he's in jail right now, so he did something he, oh yeah, he, yeah, he did something.
Speaker 1:It was just he got a, he got uh, he was pled not guilty for the first one. That's why I'm saying, if it's still you got to still say allegedly, because I don't think you can double Jeopardy with that one. I think he could if he, if it would be anything, would be defamation, but like I ain't got no money. Yeah, I mean, his character is already destroyed.
Speaker 2:but what two wrestling fan-negros gonna do to hell.
Speaker 1:But getting back to the point at hand, this week of wrestling man John Cena, dude Michael Cole is calling him the goat for a reason because, man, when it comes to talking, there is no top and cena man.
Speaker 2:and this week was a proven fact because when john cena's had to do damage control, literally like he. And I have to say, even though I'm like maybe, maybe because I'm bitter and I just haven't let it go just yet, but like, like, it's almost like, like with everything especially that has happened this week, it's almost as if, like he's like hey, forget about WrestleMania. Put that all the way back there, just like it happened.
Speaker 2:But but hey, john Cena ran the Orton. That's literally what it is. Hey, paul Heyman is now with Bronathan hey, that's fire. Though that was fire hey, you know how we picked the wrong tag team titles to be in the main event of WrestleMania. Main event on SmackDown Look at that. T TLC.
Speaker 1:That TLC match? Oh my God, can we not talk about Tommaso Ciampa and shaving his beard? Oh no, bro, that was crazy.
Speaker 2:You literally opened up the bottom of his fucking chin like bro, what are you doing, oh? Did you not have you seen the photo? Yeah, like he opened up to the meat and meat.
Speaker 1:Like you know, it was just crazy to see him shaved. It was like what's going on here? But john cena man, um, I know we're technically going ahead, but I just got to talk about it, man, because that promo with him and Orton the first or the second one the second one. The first one it wasn't really that much of a promo.
Speaker 2:It was more so like he came out of no, like Cena did the promo, but like Orton just came up, rko on Monday Night did the promo but like Orton just came up, rko On Monday Night Raw, the promo that John Cena did like after, not even like after hearing it and then like because then, like the next day was when I like took this deep dive into, like all of this foolishness with the Rock. But it's like after hearing it, then talking to some people, and then hearing it again, I'm like, oh, I see why this promo. This promo was to try its best in cleaning up the mess that was WrestleMania. Up the mess that was Wrestlemania. Pretty much trying to.
Speaker 2:It was John Cena's way of being like, hey, um, ignore the final boss garbage. Uh, ignore that soul shit. This is all about me getting my 17 and ruining wrestling, which he said all that the weeks prior, but there was still the soul-snatching final boss stuff lingering over. Now that WrestleMania has happened and now we know that the soul stuff is garbage and the final boss apparently had nothing to do with it, when we know good and damn well that it did. It's just something happened in the higher ups that we'll probably never know and discover and hear oh no, apparently the the untold is coming out at some point, so we'll see.
Speaker 2:Um listen I'm with the way that I I've almost been convinced, but with the way that everything's kind of played out with this, the things that I've heard and then I've seen, and then just kind of looking at like the overallness of like the stuff that has played out leading up to wrestlemania, at wrestlemania, in this wrestlemania, fallout like from triple h being defensive about you know, like hey, just just shut up and enjoy the ride, and then the rock coming out here saying like oh, this was all triple h's idea, so you know, I'm gonna let them do that their thing. I mean, I would have made a couple of changes myself creatively, but you know, but hey, they listen. So that's, that's what I need. I need Triple H because Triple H is not a GM. I need Triple H and the final boss as actual GMs. Make it happen.
Speaker 1:That actually would be dope, I'd pay for that, I already had a game and I'd try it. But here's the thing Since you brought up the Mondayay promo, I will say the monday promo was just as good, but the friday, the friday one, that was just like like okay. So the when I brought up in the beginning of the pod, I was talking about how stina basically put a ticking time clock or, you know, put a pretty much a high alert of hey, you have this many more dates, and after that, if I still got this belt, I'm gone and the belt goes with me and I retire the belt. So for him to pull it up on the titantron of like you had 36 dates and look what you've done since that timeframe boom, boom, boom and it's the day start dropping. I was like, damn it, cena, I like what you're doing here and it puts that sense of urgency, if not to the locker room, but people who want to keep the prestige level of this title and keep it going.
Speaker 1:Because, yeah, as he goes into the promo on friday, if he leaves with this belt, randy orton's family, he, he can never continue. His it stops there at 14. So any other person within that you know lineage or legacy. They all stop with cena in. A new belt gets created. Same thing with the world heavyweight title. That's a new belt. That's not well. Is it technically still the same as the the big gold? I don't think it's the same as the big gold is it so?
Speaker 2:um, as far as its lineage, I think, goes, it is supposed to be considered like the, the upgrade and the next up from the big gold.
Speaker 1:So yeah, so it has its own reign.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so it has its own reign which, from what I've also think, I've come to understand I'll have to look it up but it's like the World Heavyweight title, the one that's in WWE, I think, technically is not connected to wcw. I don't think it is. It's so, it's like. So, like wc, the wcw heavyweight title is. It still has its own entity and it has and it's, and it's, you know, over there now and then recreated in its image, is the World Heavyweight title. And the World Heavyweight title's lineage has continued on to up and to the point where we're at right now.
Speaker 1:Mm-hmm.
Speaker 2:And so.
Speaker 1:Well, yeah, because, like, obviously, the regular, the universal title is supposed to be the WWF or the WWE title, and you remember the big gold was the SmackDown title. So I'm like, is this world heavyweight title just another variation of that? Because, um, okay, so that's what I'm talking about. So, if I don't think, there's never been anybody who's retired with the belt the world heavyweight title the, not the world heavyweight title, but the WWE, the WWE title or the undisputed title.
Speaker 2:I don't think there's anybody's ever retired with um, I'd have to do some research, because usually what ends up happening for the wwe title? No one has had the belt and then retired with it and because and even then the closest to such is someone will have the belt and they would get hurt and they have to relinquish, and it becomes, uh, then the vacant champion takes place, and so which that's one of my favorite, like twitters uh, uh, where it's the vacant is the person's name.
Speaker 2:Ah, yes, yeah, yeah yeah, that's a fun Twitter to watch.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, yeah, but I loved how Cena did that. I love how Cena did that. It made me like it makes every appearance now like bro, somebody gotta get this belt off him.
Speaker 2:It makes every appearance now feel like it matters even more, and it also once again does a great job of making you forget everything that just got done, happening because it was absolutely stupid. But, of course, people like me are going to continue remembering and talking about it because we're bitter.
Speaker 1:I mean, I'm bitter to an extent. I'm bitter because the Rock again does some bullshit, but I'm happy with the outcome because Cena, as Carrick Cross said, you got to be a good soldier. I think it was Goldberg who told him that, or whatever and Cena said I think Bailey even said like something about Cena saying you got to be a good soldier, taking something that they give you and making it magic. Cena was given something, he somehow made it magic, and the magic to me was completely in my face, like the trick he's doing. The trick on Monday, friday was him revealing it.
Speaker 1:And that was when Orton was like yo man, I see what's wrong, you need to have some damn kids. And he was like you try to come out here and make me feel some type of way and then your parents shame me. Great job, buddy, buddy. And then he just goes in on everything. He's like you know why I don't have kids? Because I've been taking care of these motherfuckers for the last 25 years. And look at how they turned out. And I was like cinema, cinema, right here it's.
Speaker 2:This John Cena Hill turn is very interesting to me because like it is the classic situation of when the good superhero just has enough and says, fucking, I'm not going to be all superhero anymore. And then it's like it is that situation where it's all like, you know, people will be all like, no, john cena, it's it's, it's not like that. And then in the middle of saying no, it's not like that, then john cena sees something and it's all like oh, it's not like that. Huh, yeah, like when it. Yeah, it's not like that. Uh, yeah, like when it. Yeah, it's not like that. But but I can see it right, plain as day in front of my face.
Speaker 1:It's exactly like that and the, the fans keep doing it too. He'll be like man yo. How is it that I was supposed to be this one person that everybody wants me to be? But then, for all these years, I keep hearing let's go, cena, cena, suck chance.
Speaker 2:And then, immediately after that, they'll do it, and it's just like bruh, it's um, it's one of those deals where it's like which I believe he also kind of has made the statement where it's like because the crowd it's like what. It's one of those deals where it's like when you're trying to get the crowd to do something, but the way you get the crowd to do it is by making them feel as if it's their idea to do it, even though you're completely working them into doing it. You know, it's like one thing where it's all like hey, jump off the cliff. And it's like I'm not going to jump off the cliff and then it's all like, hmm, man, only pussies wouldn't jump off this cliff. I ain't no pussy Watch.
Speaker 2:It's like one of those kind of things and that's literally what John Cena's been doing this whole time. And it's one of those deals where I'm just like, I guess just for it, because at the end of the day, which is another thing I've discovered this week well, I don't say I've discovered, but that has been made very apparent to me this week is that it's always about the money Spider-Man. It's always about the money Spider-Man Because John Cena could have easily turned heel and, honestly, looking at how this is, john Cena turning heel would have been a cakewalk. They just didn't want to do it. Why? Because of the money. But now they got all the money they can ever ask for.
Speaker 1:So they're just like, yeah, if we can do that, we can run that I love also, cena coming out to a new shirt every week.
Speaker 2:Every week. It's funny. Yeah, he comes out to a new shirt every week after he's all like there ain't gonna be no new shirts. Alright, Maybe there will be new shirts.
Speaker 1:And they're always themed to the city he's in or the state. In Vegas, sure he had a UK shirt. Now he had a. Where were they? At St Louis? Yeah, there you go. They had it in their font and stuff like that. So it's like it's marketing and he can play. It says you know why I came out with a new shirt every week is because this is the last real shirt you ever get from a champion, something like that. I feel like he can explain that. But um, the one thing I don't like about this whole thing with cena is like he keeps getting dropped in every one of these scenarios. I don't like it Like he talks big shit and then every time every encounter with Cody crossroads, every encounter with Orton RKO it's like, bro, can Cena look good at the end of these plays? Can we not have him on his back after saying this really strong promo and then get flayed out flat?
Speaker 2:it gives me Bray, wyatt feels you know but, unlike Bray, wyatt Cena can take that shit on the chin. You know why? Cause he's John fucking Cena. You're right, he doesn't listen, he could. Number one, he's a heel Alright, he's a bad guy.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:And if he really wanted to to a certain degree. Honestly, I would really like it if he was, but he could be one of those shit-eating bad guys, you know. But the thing is he's too good of a wrestling character to actually do that. But, like all the rest of John Cena's matches, he could, for all intents and purposes, spend them getting his ass kicked and then kick somebody in nuts, hit him with the belt and get the win Every single time.
Speaker 1:I wouldn't have no problem with that I'm just talking about in these promos. He has to have some moments of him at least triumphing. You know what I'm saying? Like having something.
Speaker 2:So the reasons why that he does not need that is because when he comes out there, sam, he is taking a big cow pie dookie on the whole crowd, a big one Steaming Okay, and you're trying to say you want to get, you want John Cena to come out there and shit on everybody for 10 minutes and walk away unscathed.
Speaker 1:At least one time. I don't need it every time, just one. I want him to be able to raise the bell and it be just like boos, like you know how some heels do. What happened I?
Speaker 2:don't know what he's supposed to do. Is he's supposed to take that? Or he just leaves the ring, like he did with Cody, and then later on that would work, that would work too. Or he just leaves the ring, like he did with Cody, and then later on that would work too, and then maybe later on he attacks him from behind and do the heel thing. But it's like that's not. No, there's got to be some retribution for those harsh and rude and mean words that Mr John Cena has said. You can't let that, you can't let him do that, and especially considering the way that this whole layout is right now.
Speaker 1:No, no, can't do that Again, just like how you had wishful thinking with Gunter.
Speaker 2:let me have my wishful thinking about Cena in that sense pause, ooh, speaking of Gunther, though, when I was saying that it was crash house season, brother, everybody is crashing out hard right now, gunther being one of them individuals and you know what, once again trying to, which it was very interesting to me going back and listening to all these things I've ingested and heard this weekend people actually giving that match between the two of them, praise.
Speaker 1:Wait, you talking about J J Uso and Gunther.
Speaker 2:Yes.
Speaker 1:You're not about to. No, you gaslighting me? No, you ain't about to do that.
Speaker 2:You ain't about to do that there are folks who are out there who have actually given the match praise, which is crazy to me.
Speaker 2:The one particular person who gave it praise I was actually very surprised that they gave it praise, but it's one of those things, I think, because he himself is a wrestler like he saw it in a very different light, which was Stephen Richards.
Speaker 2:He actually said that he thought this match was good, like he liked it, which his his spin on it and I heard someone else put the spin on it as well was the fact that it's like, and it's one of those deals where I feel as if I think they're looking at it as a match in itself, not paying attention to all the outside stuff.
Speaker 2:But in the match, you know, Jay, he did the thing where, or at least the way that he was trying to infer it and how he digested, it was the fact that Jay went in there and he used his arsenal against him of mind play that he kind of sort of put against Gunther in that match, which he did do that because he went in there and he did the Gunther's powerbomb and he finished him with Gunther's neck chokeout, and he was saying the fact that to him it made perfect sense why Gunther would tap out so quickly, because Gunther's not used to being put in his own attacks and put in his own moves, and so I guess the way that he digested was like you know, when he put him in that chokehold, gunther panicked because like, oh, no one chokes me out what's happening and blah, blah, blah.
Speaker 2:So I was like so kind of like how Chris Benoit and Kurt Angle would immediately tap out their submissions in that submission match to save their limbs yeah, kind of like a sort of thing like that, almost to a certain degree like I don't want to get choked out yeah, and so it was like that, that particular idea, and there was one other person who also kind of had that same idea and thought and I'm just like that's a very interesting way to look at it, and maybe just because I'm, to a certain degree, such a casual fan that I wouldn't see it. But when you look at everything else and the buildup sacrificing the brother, beating him bloody, licking his blood and rubbing it on your body translating to other beating him bloody, licking his blood and rubbing it on your body, translating to I panicked so I tapped out Nah, I can't, I can't get rid of it.
Speaker 1:There's no explanation somebody can give me. That's what I'm saying. Somebody gaslit you Out to me, stephen Richard, gaslit you and say, no, it was a good match. Think about it. No, you're not about to do that. You're not about to do that.
Speaker 2:You're not about to do that at all.
Speaker 2:But one thing that was also said was the fact that if Gunther was going to take a loss in such a way like that, especially with it being so well, I don't want to call it squeaky clean, but jay did beat him clean. There was no cheating involved on either parts. And so, considering the fact that he lost like that because in my mind I'm like, damn, gunther's image is going to get shot, but how do you keep some? How do you keep a big bad man's image from being shot? You make him go out there and do big bad things. And what better way than threaten michael cole, attempt to choke him out and instead choke out pat mack yo, did you see that video?
Speaker 1:It was a video somebody did where it was like the minute he smacks the headset off him and he closes his eyes and it shows the dog.
Speaker 2:Yes.
Speaker 1:Like he just knew.
Speaker 2:Yes, yes, I'm almost positive. I saw that and I shared it on one of our pages because that shit had me because it took me a second to get it.
Speaker 1:I was like he's, like he knew he was cooked. Are you talking about Pat? And then I looked at it a second time, but I see Michael Colton that's what it was my Colton's like.
Speaker 2:Well, today's the day today's the day he knew it was over he didn't fight.
Speaker 1:It's just crazy, but that like I'm.
Speaker 2:I'm glad that that happened, because in my mind, funny enough, because it was Stephen Richards who said that, and then it happened. I'm like, oh he's right, because, boy, we was really about to have Gunther out here looking like a bitch and tap it out the way he did.
Speaker 1:I was like but to then beat up I mean obviously that is a very heelish thing to do is beat up somebody like an announcer, but it's just one of those like man. Could it not have been?
Speaker 2:Crash out season dog. He just needed to get his hands on somebody and beat their ass. And that it was Michael Cole Also, because Michael Cole also did say some shit.
Speaker 1:Although it's kind of funny.
Speaker 2:Yeah, he said he got choked out. Yeah, Well, it's kind of funny because of the fact, like I know it's not, it's definitely not, but like AEW just got done, doing this angle, I'll explain. Last week FTR was it last week, Maybe it was two weeks ago.
Speaker 1:Are you talking about the Edge? Thing?
Speaker 2:Well, so on Dynamite, one of the Dynamites last week. I'm pretty certain it was last week. No, it was Collision. It was Collision because it had Jesus. Why do I blank on this dude's name, but the British guy that's usually with Nigel?
Speaker 2:Oh he did the apology. Ftr was out there and then they called in the other announced guy to come into the ring because they're buddies or whatever. He's all like hey, so FTR was all like so, like you were talking about some stuff, saying about my daughter and how she would be disappointed in what I've done, and yeah, no, you should probably keep my family's name out of your mouth, so I'm gonna need you to apologize. And home was all like well, I'm not sorry for what I said, I stand by it. Like what you guys did was bad and it was wrong, and like I just felt that, like you know, I feel as if that she would probably be disappointed in the way that you acted.
Speaker 2:And then they scooped homie up and was about to do like a spike power driver to him in the middle of the ring. But Nigel jumped up on the apron and was all like you put him down, leave him alone. And that's when Danny Garcia came out there and all the other stuff and Danny's boys came out there to stop him. And then they had that match at the end where Danny Garcia's homies got the shit beat out of them and all this blah, blah. So like that happened there and then now Wrestlemania passed. This Monday this happens, but the difference was the fact that I mean slight difference because no one extra came out there, but Pat McAfee did come in there to try and help him, but Gunther actually pulled the trigger and choked out Pat McAfee.
Speaker 1:I think that's when Hunter was like I saw that angle hold my beer.
Speaker 2:I mean I doubt it. I think that's what Hunter was like. Oh, I saw that angle. Hold my beer. I mean I doubt it, but it was just like a comparison. I was like this looks familiar.
Speaker 1:And man, you even say to yourself there's no original ideas in wrestling.
Speaker 2:Boy, let me tell you.
Speaker 1:You said it, yo damn so.
Speaker 2:I wasn't expecting just to see it so quickly.
Speaker 1:You know we're not going to question basically how that kind of stuff goes down, but I know what we can do because we've been talking about the crazy wacky world of wrestling this week. I know we got some questions ourselves that we need to finish because we've been dancing around these questions for our last couple of episodes. We got some questions ourselves that we need to finish because we've been, um, we've been dancing around these questions for our last couple of episodes. I think we're finishing it off today. So you got three well, technically three of them, that's, you had two, but the third one I remember it was supposed to be us about the gimmick, right, or is that one of them?
Speaker 2:No, it was. It was just okay to be us about the gimmick, right, or is that one of them?
Speaker 1:no, it was, it was just okay. I thought it was that in the game. Okay, I thought it was three.
Speaker 2:I'm sorry so, so the we're gonna go straight to questions. The first thing, that's the the. The first one, which I feel is a easier thing to wrap your brain around, is what is it about wrestling that does it for is? What is it about wrestling that does it for you? What is it about wrestling that keeps you coming back? Why are we here?
Speaker 1:It's, obviously it's. I stutter when I say this real quick because it's like it's a very difficult thing to explain to somebody who doesn't consume the product the way I'm about to say it, but it's something about the story itself that wrestling creates Somehow. I know, obviously, that you know it can be given to be rigged on that kind of stuff. But there is these stories that you're telling me that draw me in, that build me up for these characters and say I need to see that match. I think Jim Cornette did a, a, a thing where he explained about uh, you see, this guy who gets bullied by this other guy, uh, on the side of the road, oh no, excuse me, oh no, excuse me. He's getting bullied by this really big guy. He's doing really mean things to him, calling him mean things, pour a bucket of water over his head, just picking on him, and stuff like that. You, he watch it and you're just like man, I want that dude to just get his comeback moment, just like, knock him the hell out. And you keep seeing it for weeks and weeks and weeks. And then suddenly you see them. You're driving down the road and that same guy is getting picked on by him, but you're passing by and you're like I want, I want to see him get help or whatever. And somehow that guy says you know what? I had enough. I'm going to see him at the bar, I'm going to go there. And you're like man, I see that it's. It's the story of like you seeing the underdog story. You're seeing the compelling story of how somebody is trying to make it out or trying to do what they do, and you want to be on that journey with them. You kind of feel connected to them, like I don't even like you know, but you do. And the story is one part that draws me back in. But the biggest part is the athletic spectacle that is wrestling. They're so like man, these guys are training and they're doing some of the most crazy shit that you see in wrestling.
Speaker 1:I think undertaker said. Undertaker said to himself when he was looking at logan paul and that backflip he did at mania. He he says, bro, that's video game shit. Like what the fuck? What do you? What do you mean? You did that. And Logan was like I don't, I don't ever want to do that one again, cause I was so terrified I missed that spot. But um, a part of it also is nostalgic for me because, you know, or tradition, because since I've been since I was like what? Maybe four, I was at 13, something, maybe 12 I've been watching this like as a family tradition. You know, I don't I, I got my friends, I got the people who watch it with me or, like you know, watch it together. But it's such a evolving door to think that this product is 365. There's no breaks, there's no season, it just keeps going. And I feel like, for a lot of fans, you can rely on the fact that every Monday, for the last, how how many years has Raw been going on? Raw's been going on for maybe 50 years almost.
Speaker 2:No no.
Speaker 1:Like 40-some shit.
Speaker 2:Well, wrestlemania has been going on for 41 years. If you're talking about Raw specifically I don't know the exact number, me neither all came out like, and I think the first episode of raw was like somewhere in like like 94, 95. I mean we have as, as uh, chris flanvey says, we, we have the world's information in the palm of our hands so, uh no, I apparently need to get this shirt because it says why do I need Google?
Speaker 1:My wife knows every fucking thing, because my wife sometimes is literally goddamn Google, but in a sense no.
Speaker 2:What does that mean you?
Speaker 1:might know. Hell, no, that motherfucker don't know this shit. But either way, the thing about the thing about what human nature is that we are very we are used to routines, right, and there's something about the routine of every Monday. You can come to this, you can come to the show, you can come to this thing and they're going to tell you a story. They're going to draw you in. You're going to be connected with multiple people who also enjoy this thing. You're going to tell you a story. They're going to draw you in. You're going to be connected with multiple people who also enjoy this thing. You're drinking alcohol, you're. You're shouting your favorite character's name. There's something about that tribalism, almost, and that that routine of constantly doing that. You just can't stop it.
Speaker 2:That's by January 11th 1993. That was the first one.
Speaker 1:Okay.
Speaker 2:But I feel that I see where you're coming from Very deep.
Speaker 1:You asked me a deep-ass question. Pause. You asked me a question that was very deep to me. Yes, 32 years, by the way.
Speaker 2:And so uh damn, that's like.
Speaker 1:That's like literally. Besides two years, that's literally my whole life. Okay, like 32. That's like literally my whole life. All right, bro, so that's. I've been watching it for years. But continue, go ahead, go with you. Sorry, I mean you're correct.
Speaker 2:I mean because I'm the same way, if anything in comparison. I've actually been watching it probably since 1993. I don't have a whole lot of memories from 1993. I was only two years old at the time, but I also know wrestling was always on in this house. And so because, as I said prior, my grandmother used to watch wrestling with her stepdad, my mom watched it with her granddad, my brother watched it with my mom and I came out the womb watching it with her granddad, my brother watched it with my mom and I came out the womb watching it with them, and so it's, uh, it's.
Speaker 2:It's always been there and it's like, literally, as you said, when it comes to that routine, it's. It's also always been baked into my routine throughout my life, and so I know for me, the thing that I think keeps me coming is just, it is. I enjoy. I enjoy the spectacle that is wrestling. I love watching it. I love the fighting. I like fighting of all kinds, but the easiest to get to fighting for me has always been wrestling. I'll watch some UFC when I can, but UFC is never just put in your face like how wrestling is.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you got to be on Twitter for that shit, for, like, the back and forth for those, for those fighters.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and I'm I'm lazy, all right, I'll, easily I'll. I'll tell you straight up when it comes for me getting my entertainment, I am very lazy. I I need it to be put into my face. I need it to be put in a spot where I now have to mentally make time to watch it, or I'm just not going to end up seeing it or I'm missing, and wrestling right now is the only thing that does that for me. Like because, let it be known, sure it's on Netflix, you can watch the replay, but the replay is never as good as seeing it, as it's exactly happening. And that's with anything that I watch.
Speaker 2:When it comes to anime, I love watching anime, but number one anime does not come on at 8, 30, you know, at 8, 30, 9, 30 eastern anymore, and it comes on whenever you make time to watch it kind of thing. And I'm very much a person who I don't like them. I don't, I can't quite make time to watch. I can't make time to watch anime If anime has not given me a time to watch it.
Speaker 1:So you don't. You don't like binging, you like the fact that it's, it's raw, it's in the moment, like, if episode comes out this day, it puts you in a position when you have to be like, okay, I gotta make time to watch it because you gave me a time, you gave me a place where I need to watch it and I will have to be there if I need to see it correct.
Speaker 2:I was a big believer in them times where they'll be all like hey yo, the newest, never before seen episode of this particular thing comes on at 9 o'clock. When that happens, I will do everything within my power of duty in life to make sure nothing is going to stop me from watching this premiere episode at nine o'clock. But now, with the way that streaming works and stuff like that, it's like we're on on july 8th. We're just going to give you the full season of this show. Oh, okay. Well, if the whole season is out eventually, I guess I'll see it.
Speaker 2:There's nothing that is giving me the urgency to just want to go and watch it right then and there. Now, to a certain degree, depending on how good the show is or considering how many people are watching it that I know of who are watching it right now, like something like game of thrones, like no, I'm because I know game of thrones drops at nine o'clock on on sundays because of the urgency of needing to see that show. Yes, I will make the time to watch it when it drops, specifically then, because then there is that factor which bringing it back around here. There is that factor that if I don't watch it right then, and there I'm going to miss out or someone's going to. I'm not going to have a chance to talk to somebody about what happened when certain things happened in that show.
Speaker 1:Do you remember back in the 90s when we couldn't film anything? So if you missed it, you missed it.
Speaker 2:Exactly, and there are very, very few shows of any kind that gives me that sense of urgency to want to see it, like wrestling does Consistently. Now I will say I've had times where I've fallen off from wrestling.
Speaker 2:Yeah, like it happens to any wrestling fan, but those very few times where I would fall off like, especially like this last particular time, I stopped watching wrestling because I was sad and I was depressed because it was reminding me of something that I couldn't have at the time and so, like because it was so attached to something that I couldn't have, it was like I don't want to see this because it's just going to remind me of that thing that's now missing, type deal.
Speaker 2:But since then I'm you know, it's like when Monday night raw comes on, I'm watching it right then and there Cause cause with wrestling. For me still it's like. It's like that whole like if you don't watch, if you don't watch it when it first comes on, you're missing out. And sometimes you do because when you're watching it live, sometimes when you watch something live, they now they go back and they like edit shit and take it out and tweak and fix, and so I don't know why Back in the day when you'd see something and all of a sudden someone grabbed the wrong part and all of a sudden it's like, oops, their ass ended up being shown on the camera because of the quick wardrobe fuck up or whatever it's like nowadays. If that happened the next time you watch it over, that whole piece will be gone.
Speaker 1:Yeah, like remember when Mae Young in 2000,. Like Royal Rumble 2000, where she actually flashed the audience. If you watch that live, oh, you saw that. If you go get the tape it's not on there, but you saw that.
Speaker 2:And that's something that is loved and cherished when it comes to wrestling, and that's part of the reasons why it keeps me coming back because there's always something within the content of wrestling and this is across all wrestling aboard where there is, if not all of it's, for me, at least there's like one bit that's in there that I'm just like all right, I want to see this, I want to see where this goes, I want to see what happens with it. And because of the fact, you know, with the way that we know, because we all, we all know it's a work, as as as Dwayne has made that very clear to us, you know it has made that very clear to us. You know it's a work. We're all being worked here, and so I enjoy the work, even at this point in the game, where it's like so much of wrestling is like you know, we are now actually getting to see the people who are writing the scripts. We know the fact that before a match, there is a match agent. That's like all right, so when you go out there, you're going to do this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this and this. All right, don't deviate from the plan. Do everything that I say, and match ends cool, as opposed to knowing that they're going out there and they're just like going having a banger and you know I mean we know it still happens to a certain degree. You know where they're discussing what's happening in the match or you know the flow or whatever.
Speaker 2:But it's like, even with like everything, you know the the wool kind of pulled back. You know it's there's still a part of it that is still very fun to watch, very entertaining, is like now it's all like oh, so these are the crazy things that are going on behind the scene. Now it's like, okay, so I see what they're happening behind. That's what's happening behind the scene. But how is it gonna get presented when they put it on TV? Now there's like this weird new layer of wrestling that has now developed with this now showing what's happening in the background versus the front kind of thing, because before it was all like man, I wonder what they're doing back there. Now it's all like man, I see what they're doing back there.
Speaker 2:So what's going to happen on tonight's tv? It's like it's almost as if it got reversed now, but it's like it's that particular bit that keeps me wanting to come back because I want to know what's going to happen and, unlike game Game of Thrones, it takes Game of Thrones two to three years before I can get my next nine episodes, as opposed to it's only going to take seven days for me to get my Not even seven days. Seven days for me to get my next episode of Raw, but only four more days for me to get my next episode of SmackDown, and even sooner. I got some NXT and AEW and TNA in the middle of it to fill up my time while I'm waiting for what I really want to see on SmackDown.
Speaker 1:It keeps you going.
Speaker 2:Keeps me going At this point point because there is so much time for me to need to watch, and want to watch wrestling. It's like, uh, I have to really figure out when I'm going to watch anime, because, because wrestling is happening right now, as opposed to like anime is already now happened, so I'm not waiting for new episodes, kind of thing. So it's like, as the episodes build up, I'm like, well, I mean, eventually I guess I can watch it, as opposed to that urge and that need to want to go see it right then and there when it happens. But we don't get that no more with current tv and the only thing that still gives me that is wrestling.
Speaker 1:Yep, I get that. I get that again. It's that tribalism, is that routine that also comes with it as well. Like you said before, you've been watching this since you've been out the womb. Why, if it's still here and it still gives me that same feeling, it still keeps pulling me back in? Why, why do I stop watching it? I'm not gonna stop watching it. Then it's gonna keep going and, especially, you're gonna tell me new stories. You're gonna keep pulling me in.
Speaker 1:And it's always because, as as any wrestling fan, you're gonna have a moment where you're watching it and there's something about wrestling that's like man. It's always because, as any wrestling fan, you're going to have a moment where you're watching it and there's something about wrestling that's like man, it's freaking, sucks, man, I can't stand it. And then it pulls you right back in. You're like. You know, I was done with you, but now you got me back in because, like the Seth Rollins thing, with Braun coming in, it was like oh man, this whole thing is going to be stupid, this, this. Coming in, it was like oh man, this whole thing is going to be stupid, this, this. And it's boom. You get Braun coming in. It's like, oh, now the whole, now the whole world is like the shield photos with Braun and uh, paul Heyman and Seth Rollins and new evolution.
Speaker 2:That's just hilarious. I've seen the the the photos of like they attack the faces on them, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1:So like Paul Heyman's on Roman Reigns, which is funny, but it's like those things, it's like that also. Just the community that is wrestling just keeps pulling you back in, and it's like the many you want like, alright, let me get out the pool, let me get out the pool. And it's like, oh nah, let me go ahead and get back in. And it's like the many you want like, alright, let me get out the pool, let me get out the pool. And it's like, oh nah, let me go ahead and get back in. And it just keeps pulling you back in every time, every time. So I think, yeah, it does not stop, and I think that's the thing about wrestling that keeps me going and I think you could agree, that's the thing that keeps you going 100% there's I don't know, and I think you could agree that's the thing that keeps you going 100%, 100%.
Speaker 2:I don't know what wrestling would have to do to make me, full on, just be like I'm not going to watch it. Because the only reason why I stopped watching because I've only ever stopped watching wrestling once and the reasons why I stopped watching it had nothing to do with the product itself.
Speaker 2:It was outside of my personal shit that made me stop watching wrestling, and so the only other time I had a time where I stopped watching wrestling was because I just physically couldn't, because I didn't have the cable. Now I've stopped watching wrestling to a certain degree where I might not watch one of the shows. There was a very long time where I did not watch SmackDown.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I would just watch the YouTube highlights and stuff. Yeah, I didn't watch SmackDown. Yeah, I would just watch the YouTube highlights and stuff.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I didn't watch SmackDown, I didn't even watch the YouTube highlights. I just, on Raw, I watched the SmackDown rewind that they would do when they would do, like, hey, by the way, this is what happened on SmackDown last week and I'll look at that and then, and I'd keep week and I'll look at that and then and I'd keep pushing and I would just watch it all.
Speaker 1:Same thing with WrestleTalk. There are times where I'm like man, I don't feel like watching this and I'll just let WrestleTalk tell me what happened, and they're like oh, that's crazy. Alright, see you next week, See you tomorrow.
Speaker 2:Alright, listen. I know a lot of people who actually still do that now, like they won't actually watch the shows, but they will watch the reviews of the shows which to a certain degree, is like it kind of confuses me.
Speaker 2:I'm like, so you don't want to watch the actual show, but you still keep up by watching the why? Why do you not just watch the show? But at that point it even further goes to show you the fact that, like the story so important because on the review they're not giving you the play-by-play of what happened in the match. Like all right, so he kicked him and then he did this and he didn't know there was like so they fought and was his name lost, but at the end of the match he grabbed the microphone and he said this, did that, and then he jumped and beat him up and blah, blah, blah and you know, and that's, and that's the part that we like the wrestling, as they always say.
Speaker 1:It's just a plus and I agree depending on, yeah, depending on the map, the like the wrestling, as they always say, it's just a plus and I agree, depending on yeah, depending on the map, the like, the, the wrestlers themselves, like, there are certain wrestlers that we're gonna like oh man, you're in that match, that shit about the fire.
Speaker 1:There's some people that's like, uh, I guess well. And then all of a sudden there's a plot or a story like like, like I said before, you remember, you remember me, my in my, my dislikes of the Miz, right, remember, I said I'm not really a huge fan of the Miz, this, this and that. But whenever he did that promo on Daniel Bryan, I said all right, miz, I'm locked in what you got going on, bro, I'm here for it. Now I'm here, and that is the beauty behind like wrestling, it's. You may not be a fan of something, you may not like something at one point, but it's going to be something. That's going to be some magical moment that just pulls you in. And even though that was on a smack talk, well, I was watching SmackDown that next weekend because I wanted to see if they were going to continue with that. Or was that just a moment?
Speaker 2:It's wrestling, it really is wrestling and, honestly, especially when it comes to on that particular level of the moments and the things that keep drawing you in, I definitely harp on the moments and the things that keep drawing you in, like, I definitely harp on the fact of like the story, because, like wrestling's storytelling, um, the way that they, the way that they present things and they show it, and the way that like wraps you in, like gets you so involved sometimes more involved than you even realize that you are kind of thing like that that specific bit about wrestling is what I know for certain is the thing that keeps me coming back every single time, because like, especially, like, especially when they do it right.
Speaker 2:There was a time and it's funny because, like, there was a time where WWE was not doing it right, and you know what I did? I started watching TNA instead, and, and so even when I wasn't watching WWE, I was still watching wrestling, just in a different outlet, because they was giving me that nourishment that I needed for story and match that follows it and the build and the payoffs and all this other good stuff Like it's. It keeps me locked in. It also makes me enjoy wrestling even more. Because then, going from when I was a kid to even now, I then play the wrestling games and I make up my own goddamn stories.
Speaker 1:I mean, that's the whole point of GMO.
Speaker 2:Listen when I play GMO'd on the game right now, even though there's no real quote-unquote story per se.
Speaker 1:But you create it.
Speaker 2:But in my head you know there is one, even though I know there's not an actual story and whether it because, like GMO, like you can make a rivalry happen and you know you can keep that rivalry going on for a number of weeks, kind of thing, but it's like there's no saying. All right, so what this? What was this rivalry about? Why did they? But my head cannon kicks in. Which then now I'm like, yeah, I'm making, what was this rivalry about? Why did they? But my head cannon kicks in. Which then now I'm like, yeah, I'm making Cody Rhodes and the Undertaker face each other because of because he interfered in a match and he has the belt, and Undertaker doesn't like him because of this and the other. And I'm just like, yeah, yeah, this is great, yep, and I'm gonna make them fight and let's see who wins. And then I go from there.
Speaker 1:It's just, it's fine it's, it's a lovely thing. It is a a lovely thing that is wrestling. And you know, since we're talking about exactly what pulls us in, you know, say, if we got to the point where we got pulled in so deep that we said, hey, what if I actually became a wrestler, what would that look like? And I think that's your next question, am I correct? It is so just for the audience sake. Did I word it the right way, or like no?
Speaker 2:not necessarily. I mean I got, I have to actually look at myself. I mean, that is the question it. The way that I specifically wrote it out was what is pretty much just like what is your wrestling name and gimmick?
Speaker 1:if you are an actual wrestler so do I just give you the gimmick and the name and that's it? How far do you want me to go into it?
Speaker 2:give me whatever you got like. What's your uh, your wrestling persona? What's your gimmick? I mean, if you want to include your finish, that's. That's cool too, like so because I took.
Speaker 1:I took so much influence from taz and like jo, um, a little bit of Penta, with like the, the style and everything and that nature. Um, I came up with the name cage, came up with the name cage and I and I and I sat here, my name was very difficult. The name, the name part was just, uh, it was the toughest part because, you know, I see myself as the Mazaku and that's just who I am and to be like. Well, I mean, that would be a difficult character to make as a wrestling character and mainly because, remember, we had the conversation of Monster and you know what that is. It's basically category to me with a name like that. It categorized me in that monster area. It's what I felt. It's what I felt I don't know well.
Speaker 2:I mean so I believe you've said it before but what is mazuku?
Speaker 1:uh, the mazuku is basically a demon, it's. It's a different form of demons, a different form of a japanese demon. Whereas akuma is demon, the mazuku is a demon, just a different type of demon. But, uh, the influence came from yu yu hakusho and yu y Yu Hakusho. And Yu Yu Hakusho, yusuke Urameshi.
Speaker 1:He dies for the second time. There's no spoiler alert for this. This anime came out in the 90s, so if you didn't see, you didn't see it. The second time he dies, he becomes the Maziku and it's an ancestral demon that was passed down through his genetics and he becomes this beast of some sort. Where he is, his hair grows out, he gets tattoos and he just gets really aggressive as hell. It it breathes monster. So a name like the Maziku to me it breathes, my it breathes monster. Even when I did content on like tiktok with the name, like that was kind of like the samurai character. I mean, he was a monster. So that's why I made chugi, and chugi was my softer side. So, uh, he was the comp, he was the comic relief, he was the comic character, whereas the masuku was militant. He, he was very, you know, cutthroat and that's just what it was.
Speaker 2:So he's. I was the one who, uh, you know more so was, like you know, a drink from the Gore.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, that that was him. Yeah, so it's more funnier side. You know what I'm saying. It's the goofier side, whereas the Moscow he came up, he was very, like I said, straight, cutthroat and straight to the point, and I think I even showcased a little bit of that when I first started doing the Tekken intros. There was one where I did two different intros. I did like the stern, you know cold character and I did the cocky character.
Speaker 1:That's basically the origins of the Masako, and Chugi, like the show-off character, was technically how chugi was. Chugi didn't come out until, um, well, I say come out, since it's the second personality, but, like as as a character, he didn't truly show up until I started doing the mortal combat videos and I was like, oh, let me do a version of johnny cage, but we call him gauge, and what other character could I do to to do a mashup with? And but we call him Gage, and what other character could I do to do a mashup with? And I was like, okay, what about a comical character who's all about drinking his gourd and he gets power from his gourd, but he's having a good time, you know, and that's where Chugi came from. But that's me, though I like drinking my sake, I like hanging out, I like having a good time and I like shooting the shit. But like the Masako, there's none of that, it's straight I'm here, I am the OP character in a city, like any battle situation. That's what the Masako was. So that's why I felt like if I came in wrestling with that name and even even with my character in my wrestling promotion, the Masiku. He is a monster. He's just a monster who can never elevate to the heavyweight title because the company he's under is like you don't go for that belt ever. Only this guy goes for the belt. So the Maziku is basically I am a brute for hire in the highest level I could ever go to as an icy title Like that's who he is. So it basically I am a brute for hire and the highest level I could ever go to is an icy title like that's who he is. So it's just like to do that.
Speaker 1:Currently as who I am, I'm, I really love doing promos. I love doing very compelling, very like pull you in promos, like new jack did. New jack back in the day when he did his promos. He was raw, he was uncut, he pulled you in.
Speaker 1:One of my favorite wrestlers is Jake the Snake, because he pulled you in with his promos and whenever I started doing that stuff on TikTok with I can't forget. I can't remember his name right now and I feel so bad because we did some back and forth promos and they were really good for this match we had on Tekken and I was pulling out this. This character was Goro Mazuku, but like it was the more flashier side of me or whatever, like the rock pretty much, you know, and those promos I had so much fun with it. I'm pulling you in, I'm I'm showcasing my style and I feel like with the character cage it would make more sense. I can be that, I can do those promos and still be a badass, but you know, whereas the masako is supposed to be a monster and, if I recall, that's the character you would like to be, whereas me I kind of want to pull the people in, you know.
Speaker 2:But yeah, when it comes to that, which one thing I was thinking, I wouldn't. Don't get mad at me for making the comparison, because I know how you feel about this guy right now, but you could do a Finn Balor type situation where you're always on your back taking the. I'm kidding, I'm kidding.
Speaker 1:Hey yo, that's crazy and that's the last thing the Moscow needs to be doing.
Speaker 2:On his back taking pins. Yeah, I feel that, but no, I was about to say that like, for instance and this would be specifically more so for, like the Maziku, and I think you said it was- Goro Maziku and so it's like Goro is the main character. However, when you push him too far, then he becomes the Maziku Type thing.
Speaker 1:You know that isn't a bad idea. That isn't Kind of like how with Mankind and Katniss Jack. You know it's funny. I just showcased that match to my people not too long ago, the Royal Rumble 2000 match with Katniss Jack and Triple H, and that's one of my favorite matches of all time.
Speaker 2:Only because of the build-up of like mankind having to morphosize, uh to katniss jack and that's literally the same thing he had to get to another level of crazy which is which, back in the day, just going off of that quick tangent, I I never realized the fact how like it wasn't, until like in the later times where I was like, wow, so because like, because before cactus jack always was like, almost like a myth, and then when it finally happened, it's all like. So what you're trying to tell me is that cactus jack is actually crazier than mankind. Is that the narrative that you guys are pushing? And it's like for a moment I didn't get how, but then, like after seeing, it's like because mankind though he's mankind is, but can take a lot of damage. Cactus Jack is crazy, can take a lot of damage and will take a lot of damage, doing damage to you as well, type thing.
Speaker 2:Chaotic as fuck Like he is. He's true chaotic evil.
Speaker 2:Bringing it to the d&d terms, but um, but like, uh, and it's for, for, for the thing that you were talking about, like, like. It's not so much that it's like goro has like this mental switch to maziku, it's more like a goro if he needed like, if you put him in a position where he has to like, okay, you're crossing the line, and if you're gonna cross the line, so will I. And that's when he taps into the true maziku mentality and and then those beast mode type thing where it's like you're, it's just, you'd still be yourself that being goro, but it's your, but whatever, it's like when you get pushed to that limit. Now you have to go full demon on somebody.
Speaker 1:Okay I like, I like how, I like how you. You completely try, you completely uno reverse on me. It's like you know what I didn't say. I had doubts of the idea and the concept, but it's like you made it make more sense, and that is also another thing. That is beautiful about wrestling is where you can go. Well, this is kind of a discolory in a sense, but you can go at it one way and think that's probably the way it goes, but then somebody puts it in another perspective in front of you and says you know what that makes sense now yeah, it's all about in in the in the good.
Speaker 2:The thing that makes good wrestling is when it does make sense. And actually, because I was just actually at a wrestling show yesterday and one of the things because I'm listening to the guys they're going over their match and one of the guys they were talking about a spot they were going to do. I don't know if it's universally called this, but they call it the Tower of Doom and the Tower of Doom is Okay, so that is just universally what they call it.
Speaker 2:I didn't know. So they were going to do a Tower of Doom spot and so it would have been like the two tag teams were originally going to suplex him off the top rope, but then Ray Zeon would come in and he would kind of sort of grab them and, you know, powerbomb, while they did the suplex, and though very small detail and not one that people would even really think about, but he was like people would even really think about. But he was like and this is the other tag partner, he goes his name, he goes by Bobby, and he was like he's like I don't know, can we change it a little bit like where, instead of me being facing I have my back to you guys and we do like a back suplex. And at first everyone's all like why would you want to do a back suplex as opposed to a regular suplex? And he's like well, when you think about it, I'm sitting here and I see everything that's happening, sitting here and I see everything that's happening.
Speaker 2:If my tag partner is trying to come in and save me, would it not make sense for him to want to even like do that if he knows that they're going to suplex me, kind of thing, because I could see him, he could see me, and so if they are, you know, if he's going to pull them off, kind of thing, it wouldn't make sense for me to still get suplexed.
Speaker 2:But instead, if I have my back to him, my partner being Ray Zeon, would still think I'm it, will still think that he's coming in to save me. And so he would come in and he'd grab and, as he's trying to do the suplex, you know, thinking that I might try to, you know that I would be fine, because you know they're not going to be able to hold on to me, you know. And but what ends up happening is, as you guys are, as he's still trying to, you know, suplex, you guys, guys, y'all grab me anyway, and then I get suplexed as well. So it looks more like it was an accident that he did a double power bomb to these guys off of the turnbuckle while they were still holding on to me, because he figured that they wouldn't have been able to hold on to me whenever he did that as where he sees me getting suplexed so and they'd be holding on to me at that moment.
Speaker 2:so why would he want to still follow through with that doing the double power bomb? If he knows I'm gonna get suplexed with it and it's like it was a very small thing, but it made sense as to why he would want to just slightly tweak that and it's like, at the end of the day, I don't think anyone in the crowd would have paid it too too much attention or would have read into it. But at the same time, for that one super smart mark in the back who's all like well, why would they do that if he's? Oh, because his back was turned and and then they did the thing where it's like, when he was trying to like suplex him, they were like trying to hold on and at the last moment they still they grabbed bobby, which is when they actually got the whole. Did the tower do? It made sense and it still helped tell the story kind of thing. That whole bit of when things make sense in wrestling, even when it's super small and minute like that, or even with this, it's like it helps. It helps in the long run because a lot of us folks are very into, like you know continuity and you know thing, like I it. It makes when it makes sense, it helps, it makes you feel better, kind of thing.
Speaker 2:Now, greg, you would think that I wouldn't care about that, considering all the dragon ball z shit I got in the background because boy oh boy, do they not know how to do the continuity shit very well, but I digress.
Speaker 2:But when it comes to my which, yes, I so I am big into the monster-type characters. However, I never saw my build as being worthy of a monster-type personality or character, and because of that, I've never actually thought of myself in a monster type format. And so the character, especially in more recent times, the character that I would dive come up with, is actually based off of a character who was quote, unquoteunquote trained by my actual character in the wrestling game, and so I would call myself plat diesel is the name I decided to stick with. I think plat diesel sounds cool and it looks good. I would would still consider myself the platinum King. So I wear these, I wear the jewelry, I wear this flashy stuff and everything like that, um, and I would carry myself in a very flashy, uh, um, very gloating kind of are we talking like Ric Flair?
Speaker 1:flashy Like, how flashy are we talking like Ric Flair? Flashy, like, how flashy are we talking?
Speaker 2:very. I mean you could say Ric Flair flashy, but Ric Flair flashy, but nigga. If that makes sense, it's the best way I can. It's the best way I can put it so, carmelo Hayes, that's a flashy nigga. If I were to piece it together using current wrestlers right now Carmelo Hayes, Carmelo Hayes Dolph Ziggler and Carmelo Hayes Dolph Ziggler. With a little, Actually, I won't even say a little bit, so I would just say with, uh, with a good dose of um, the Messiah Seth Rollins.
Speaker 1:I thought you meant the Messiah from CZW and I was like how the fuck you know who that is cause I don't yeah, that's why I was confused as fuck. I was like but okay, but so so to the pope.
Speaker 2:So the pope whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. I don't want to talk about it right now, but like we can't, we can't be. The Pope is a weird conversation I've come to learn in more recent times, like it's it's something you're talking about, d'angelo De Niro, right, okay.
Speaker 1:So what's wrong with that? That's literally it.
Speaker 2:I have to explain to you when the camera's off. When it comes to that.
Speaker 2:Okay, okay, okay, but visually speaking I guess you could say that, but the overall arc of the thing is, you know, like Platt Diesel sees himself as being that guy. Like, he is the epitome of style. His chains and his jewelry shine the brightest. That's that. What is it? The slogan that I have for him is the mark of perfection with a platinum complexion. You know what I'm saying. That's where his head space is, type deal.
Speaker 2:Now, funny enough, which is also the weird thing, because, like, I've never, really I never see myself as a heel, but that particular character would make a very good heel, would make a very good heel kind of thing. Very, very, very self-absorbed, very into himself, very, I see myself as the tippy top, and anyone who says they're up there aren't actually up there, because that's where I am. You can't get on my level, my level can't be found, and so, on my level, my level can't be found, and so that's, that's the main, that's my main character. So Platt Diesel another name that I've thought of would be like if Platt Diesel was the nickname. The actual wrestling name is John Cosmo, and so there is. So that's like the.
Speaker 2:That's my number one pick for if I was to be jumping into the indie scene right now. Now, I do have a secondary character that I've come up with, which is definitely a bad guy, and his name is actually based off a friend of mine. And his name is actually based off a friend of mine which is uh, but uh, the, the. The name would be he. His name would be dexter maurice jones, but he's very commonly referred to as dirtbag I remember that character correct.
Speaker 2:And and dirtbag is exactly what the name says and it's to a level of I don't care how I get it or what I do to get it, I'm just going to receive what I want to receive and that's Dirtbag's whole MO Fool cheater never does anything the straight way. He always lies. He can't be trusted at all and if even then. I would say I don't know, because MJF is he's a scumbag, yeah, scumbag he is a true scumbag.
Speaker 2:Like, honestly, him and MJF, they would actually probably work very well together, but it's like, but then they'd always be at those odds where it's all like, all right, so which one of us is actually going to betray each other? And the answer would be as soon as this is no longer beneficial between the two, and so which, as long as? So, it's like as long as we keep making profit, is as long as we can still keep hanging out, but, uh, money incorporated, that's like. That's, that's like the second one. But I do have a third idea, and this third idea is one that I would kind of similar to how I was saying with, like goro and maziku.
Speaker 2:I would plant this one with, like my, my, my plat diesel character and the and, but it would only be through like story, and the idea of it would be is the fact that, like, if plat diesel got to a point where he got everything that he wanted, he's on top, and then there's the full crash out where you lose everything and and nothing is, and like, and everything is just gone to the wayside. Then there's this, then there's that, uh, there's that breaking point moment where it's like my character would lose himself completely and kind of sort of go on, and this is kind of sort of like where the whole monster kind of idea would come into play. This is like the only time where I'd kind of sort of become like that monster type personality but not so much monster, more like psychopath where you just kind of lost yourself and so and and the. The title that I would then, uh, give myself is the advocate of chaos.
Speaker 1:Isn't that very similar to Killer Croc or Killer? From the promotion.
Speaker 2:No, actually. Nah, Killer and Croc are literally just my. Killer and Croc are literally just my reincarnations of Undertaker and Kane.
Speaker 1:Okay, because I remember the oh, no, no, okay. So now I remember, because you had to add the chaos because of your other character. Okay, now I see what it was, because I remember I had it in the game. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, Okay, okay, okay, like you got.
Speaker 2:It's funny because I got that name. I actually got that name from somebody. Actually, it was from the group chat. One of the guys in the group chat was where I think I Was where that name really came from, because I was also definitely the person that would. I was an advocate for chaos in the group chat and that's what, and my friend he also was someone who liked to just say crazy things in the chat and be all like fam, that is the most outrageous and outlandish stuff. But then I would add to it and so and that's where the advocate of chaos kind of sort of came from. And that's far as the name goes.
Speaker 2:But as far as my character would go, it's like he would. It's pretty much like he would lose himself and he'd become this, this supposed advocate of chaos. But he would refer to chaos as if it's somebody who, as if it's an actual person who he's trying to please now, and so he would come out and he's singing the praises of chaos you know talking about, and he talks as chaos, as if chaos is an actual entity that he is trying to pave the way for type situation. But in reality there is no actual chaos person, or maybe there is, there could be, but like that, that's his whole, that's pretty much his whole stick.
Speaker 2:So he'll go out there and, you know, like a scenario type situation, go out there and jump somebody who had nothing to do with anything that he was doing prior or before, and it's like why? Why did you go out there and bloody up this dude? Like, why did you do that? It's like because I was told that was needed to happen, that needed, that needed to go down and and as the advocate, I am here to please and serve chaos in whichever way possible. And he deemed this necessary. And you know, one of those, literally on that type of shit, where it's like this nigga lost his mind.
Speaker 1:He's absolutely I fucks with it, I fucks with it. It almost gives Jake the Snake. Trust me, vibes. Trust me. Trust me, god, I love that. Oh my God, I used to love that shit. It's like what's gonna happen. Trust me, I used to love that shit.
Speaker 2:It's like what's gonna happen, trust me? I used to love that shit. I was very indifferent when it came to the whole Trust Me era of Jake the Snake. I think I liked it, but the theme song I play that shit all day.
Speaker 1:That shit is on repeat. My God, I'll probably play it after we end this. It's so good, especially the Federation, the Super WrestleMania version, because they made it on there. Yeah, so if you go back to WrestleMania or whatever, and the one where it has the blue screen and it has the character's face and if you hover over their face, it plays their theme song. Go back, listen to it. It's the trust me theme and that's where it started for me, because it's just something about. It's just so. It's not like an intro to a beat and you're just waiting for the drop. It's fire. I love it.
Speaker 2:See, I like his other one when it's like the original one I think I guess that's his original thing, something with the.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that really fast one. I like it. Don't get it twisted, it's a good one, but the trust me one, bro, I feel anytime I song here and I like walk through, cause I got this, like, uh, I have this, uh, this, uh, cherry blossom stuff going over to my bathroom area. So if I saw a pop subject act like I'm going through a curtain, you get that slow walk. It just hits every time man. Oh my God, I love it.
Speaker 2:We're talking about this Because I've been trying to pinpoint. What is it that it makes me? Why is it reminding me of something? And I'm like Liv Morkenstein, like watch me, yes, like I've been like every time I heard theme song. When it comes on, it's like I'm like why does it remind me of something? Laughing, laughing, laughing, laughing. But it that's what it was like, cause I've been trying, like you know how it's all. Like man, I hear this and there's something else in my brain. That's also. That's like trying to break out of this box of being all like hey, this reminds you of this. I just could put my finger on it.
Speaker 1:And now that we're talking about it, just like how Dean Ambrose used to remind us of the Power Ranger Turbo intro.
Speaker 2:Still does.
Speaker 1:Yeah, still does, no matter what. Okay, well, I have to say you had three, I had one and I felt like I underprepared Because I had sat down, I had that concept in my head of what I was going to do, cause I remember before I mentioned definitely want to have very Taz vibes, you know suplex machine type thing. So it was kind of like the biggest portion to my gimmick, but I would. I want to. Now that we had the conversation about themes, I want to make a question. I kind of think we should do this at the end of every episode, do a question that can lead it to the next episode. And now I'm curious what are your top five wrestling themes of all time? These are the go-to jams. I already know one of them, but and the fact I see you cooking, your brain is cooking, it's cooking right now, but I already know one of them and it's hands down. I know it's one of them, but save it for the next episode Of all time yeah.
Speaker 1:Of all time.
Speaker 2:It's funny because there's only five, because I know I could probably end up hooking up more than five, but Okay, you want to make it ten, we can make it ten.
Speaker 1:Oh, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. Ten actually gives you a chance to, not Because you know how, that moment where you're like, oh, but this, you know what I'm saying. So if, how about this? You do five, top 10?. Okay, top 10.
Speaker 2:Top 10. It is, I'm cool with top 10. Because, then this also allows me to really think about, like other promotions.
Speaker 1:Yeah, because, oh my God, yes.
Speaker 2:Yes, so this will give me that. Oh, it's tough, explore like full-on explore and branch all the way out with what I want to think and say for for those, because, like I have, like my, my surface, my surface thought ones, like those all popped up like immediately and I'm just like, oh okay, okay, all right, all right, okay, that's a lot yeah, because I know we had the conversation on like what's our favorite one, but like it was like one but like a top 10.
Speaker 1:I feel like that would be a a good, a good way to continue to deep dive of that one. So, um, I, I really would. I really would look forward to this question and hearing the like what the fuck you take that one. I'm so hyped for this shit. I'm so hyped for it and, honestly, I'm hyped that everybody sat here and listened to us rant and passionately talk about wrestling. Appreciate you guys coming here every mond to do this, whether if you're getting in the morning, whether you're getting in the evening, just like, oh, go ahead.
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Speaker 2:Twitter, I can't get with it bro my problem with twitter is the fact that like, uh, because of the way that twitter is designed and whatnot, it's like in comparison to everything else, twitter is like shouting out into a void and seeing if you're going to get an echo back, as where with Instagram and Facebook and even a little bit with TikTok, it's like when I put something out there, I get instant gratification to a certain degree. So it's like the gratification to a certain degree. So it was like there the echo is the echo comes back a lot faster.
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