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The wrestling landscape has dramatically shifted this week, with WWE's Gunther transformation becoming a focal point of heated discussion. Once the terrifying Walter who dominated opponents with brutal efficiency, we explore how his character has been diluted to someone who "struggled to beat an announcer." This stark contrast perfectly encapsulates WWE's sometimes puzzling creative decisions with established talents.
SmackDown delivered the goods this week with Tiffany Stratton and Nia Jax putting on what could have easily been a pay-per-view worthy match. We break down why Nia deserves credit for her improved in-ring work and how this rivalry is elevating both performers. Meanwhile, Raw gave us the continuing saga of El Grande Americano, with Pat McAfee's deadpan insistence that he and Chad Gable are different people providing some of the week's most entertaining commentary moments.
AEW's Beach Break brought serious heat with Hangman Page and Will Ospreay delivering a match highlighted by their innovative "Hidden Buckshot" combination that left fans buzzing. We also celebrate Zach Gowen's surprise appearance against Ricochet, marveling at how the one-legged wrestler has evolved into an even more impressive performer than during his WWE days. Over in TNA, Victoria Crawford (formerly Alicia Fox) has surfaced alongside Tessa Blanchard, already positioned for championship opportunities.
Our deep dive into wrestling's mid-card divisions throughout history reveals why TNA's six-sided ring era might have had the most stacked roster, where "everyone had the capability of being THE guy." We compare this to the Ruthless Aggression era's talented but often misused mid-card performers like Carlito, Shelton Benjamin, and MVP, examining how proper utilization of mid-card talent separates great wrestling promotions from mediocre ones.
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Speaker 2:It's the masako and it's your boy swag switcher in the building.
Speaker 1:Of course, once again your friendly neighborhood, mvp you know, speaking speaking of MVP, you know the stuff with the Hurt Syndicates going on. They finally accepted MJF.
Speaker 2:Listen, I love it. The whole thing has been hilariously funny. Like it's one of the few things that's going right with AEW.
Speaker 1:That whole storyline with them. It was what you, the few things that's going right with AEW.
Speaker 2:That whole storyline with them is what you say, oh, 100%, like it's the most. It's one of the few things that are just interesting. That's going on with AEW right now Like freaking since you brought him up and whatnot, just going into the whole, you know, this week in wrestling, because, boy, I've been diving into the whole this week in wrestling, because, boy, I've been diving into some wrestling this week. Put me on when I did not watch a whole lot of wrestling last week. I was on my A game this week but I feel as if it was almost a waste of time to be on my A game because, I'll be honest, this week was boring.
Speaker 1:Okay, I think I'm glad I'm not the only one that thought that, all right, damn.
Speaker 2:Like before we get to AEW cause, just just to show like.
Speaker 1:I'm about to say hold on. Abw has some, some interesting stuff happened this week, so yes, yes, they fucking did.
Speaker 2:Oh, are you gonna give them their kudos again, fam? So listen, I watched raw. So I watched raw when it happened and then, like two days later, I was like I forgot to write notes about. So I was like, what happened? I'm wrong. I don't fucking remember what happened on Raw.
Speaker 1:I ain't gonna lie bro. Raw was kind of weak sauce.
Speaker 2:And so I went back to see what happened on Raw and the only things that was kind of important, so the things that sparked my interest on Raw. Number one I hate what they're doing with gunther right now. Like that that has yet to change. And I say that because pat mcafee comes back and all this other stuff, and you know it's, it's weird because we go from michael cole getting threatened and pat Pat McAfee get choked out and and you know Gunther talk about how you know how he's going to be his face into the ground and dog walk them and all this other stuff, and just for him to go to the pay per view and be all like you did good and just leave and then do nothing after that. And then Pat McAfee comes back and it's like, oh, there's nothing but respect for each other right now.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it was like what was the point of the feud? Why, why?
Speaker 2:We could have had Pat McAfee. Could have fought anybody Literally, but we went with Gunther. We went with Gunther.
Speaker 1:Well, because Gunther didn't have anything else.
Speaker 2:But then it's like we go with Gunther and then we literally do nothing with it, absolutely nothing with it, like it, just like. Okay, and that happened.
Speaker 1:Great match, Like that's literally a great match.
Speaker 2:Yeah, like, because let me not sound crazy on it Like Pat McAfee rested his ass off, you know what I'm saying. It did great things for Pat McAfee. But what is Pat McAfee going to do after he's done it? He's going to sit down at commentary and and commentate, not go for the heavyweight title it's not even.
Speaker 1:It's not even that. It's the. It's the fact that you were kind of normalizing pat mcafee as a wrestler who has the ability to go the distance with somebody like gunther. That's the part that really pisses me off yeah, that 100 100 that's because, like, gunther has went from.
Speaker 1:This is why I always say volta is the real, that is the real version of him. That remember how well I don't know if you were in this conversation where everybody was saying, uh, kenny omega in new japan, the big dog meme, and it, as he's in aew, it's Japan, the big dog meme, and as he's in AEW, it's the cute little dog meme that is Gunther right now. Walter big dog and Gunther little puppy. There's no way Walter would have murdered somebody bro Listen.
Speaker 2:And then, because we're talking about it continuing on with gunther, and he comes out there and he decides to try and talk tough to uh, to um. Uh got our heavyweight champion yeet, like he goes out there. He's all like AJ. I'm sure you heard that. Whatever happens at Saturday Night Main Event the next pay-per-view I'm fighting. Whoever walks out of there with that title, or, as he said, one of y'all are going to have the utmost joy and congrats, to give me my belt back and whatnot. He's trying to talk all slick as well as things like like, for the first time, I feel like no jay's justified to talk and sound how he does because, as he said, oh, you talked about that time, because he was, because he said the fact, like you know, it's been the last time. This is the first time you and me been in the ring with each other since uh, wrestlemania and he's all like, oh, you talk about the last time being, you know, when I tapped you out, choked you out.
Speaker 2:Yes, and I'm all like, yeah, jay, talk your shit, because right now Gunther has nothing. What has he done since then? I mean, granted, jay, you haven't done anything better. Like it's like you, where Jay almost lost to Seth Rollins, gunther beat up an announcer at a desk and struggled with it, by the way, like he had to try to beat Pat McAfee. So it's like these two downstairs.
Speaker 1:Yeah, he had to try that.
Speaker 2:He had to. You know, it's like this was Gunther and then this was Gun. That, yeah, he had to.
Speaker 1:You know it was like this was Gunther, and then this was Gunther. Oh my god, nah, that's literally in a nutshell what that was.
Speaker 2:And then it was like for Jey Uso to be talking this big talk, and literally since fighting Gunther in. Literally since fighting Gunther. Well, since fighting Gunther, the only other thing he did was he fought Seth Rollins, where Seth Rollins was about to beat him until, like, the universe imploded and everyone interfered in his match, being CM Punk and, god damn, sami Zayn, kind of thing. And then, after all of that big talk, talk to gunther. You know, oh, you know I ain't gonna.
Speaker 1:I ain't gonna. I do like that. She's like that shit the way he ends his phone. I I love that shit. I ain't gonna lie.
Speaker 2:Two letters, one word. Oh, my lord. Yeah, that shit go hard bro, that shit go hard every time, which I agree, and when he was talking about that big show, I'm like, yeah, jay, you talk your shit, because you did choke that motherfucker out and all he got to show for it was that he beat up an announcer and struggled to beat him, while the other announcer interfered in his match.
Speaker 2:Okay, so, that's all he got to his name, Just for Jay to get attacked by a goddamn brawnbreaker and be left lying with the pipes hitting the ground and shit. I'm like ah.
Speaker 1:Four letters, one word oh. Yeah, four letters one word I'm sorry I had to come up with that or something like that man, that shit go hard dog.
Speaker 2:Listen. Four letters, one word, oh, and the sound of pipes banging and hitting the ground.
Speaker 1:Or something of that nature of like just dropping the mic no, no, no, no, no. Literally the pipes was left hitting the ground because braun breaker beat the brakes off backstage I'm thinking of when he was on the mic again in front of him, when gun throws we were talking about literally like promptly after he got done talking to, Gunther Brombraker came out there and beat his ass. Nah, I know what you're talking about. Okay, it took me a second to slightly remember the crazy.
Speaker 2:So yeah, that was that. So yeah, hate where Gunther is.
Speaker 2:The other thing though, the other thing, that two things that did crack me up about raw. First, right is uh penta versus um chad gable. Oh yeah, I, the banter between uh pat mcafee and and Michael Cole was absolutely hilarious. Because Michael Cole the whole time is talking about Chad Gable, like Chad, because he thinks he knows that Chad Gable is the big American, alright, and so the whole time he's all like he's talking trash and shit. He's like you know, chad Gable probably should put the mask back on because it seems to be winning more time. He's all like it's. Uh, he's, he was like he's talking trash and shit. He's like you know, uh, chad gable probably should put the mask back on because it seems to be winning more mat, more matches wearing the mask, as opposed to just being out there as himself.
Speaker 2:And then every every time michael cole says something about those two being the same pat back fee he just continues like well, unfortunately, that really can't be a thing, because they're literally two different people, they're not the same person. And then Michael Cole says something else and he's all like once again, michael Cole, not the same person. El Grande Americano is not Chad Gable. Match goes on, makes another comparison. He's like no, I see what you mean about that, because Chad Gable has been losing a lot of matches, but that's not El Grande Americano. That's two different people. Two different people Literally, to the point where he's all. Literally to the point where Pat Baxter's like Michael Cole. They're not the same person. I don't know what you're talking about. I don't know how many times I have to tell you.
Speaker 1:Like bro, are you losing it?
Speaker 2:it's like El Grande Americano is the one person over here, chad Gable is over here. They're not the same people.
Speaker 1:I don't know why you keep doing this like it's it is definitely funny how he kept the flow going like K kayfabe, kayfabe, bro, kayfabe, or like another thing that we all, we all, constantly do. That too, in general, is you know, we, we. It's just like how, the minute we knew, oh yeah, that's totally chad gable. But there's like that's chad gable. No, it's not like we as's Chad Gable. No, it's not. We, as wrestling fans, love to live in the moment and live into the gimmick and let the gimmick slide, just for the fun of it.
Speaker 2:Listen. I'm surprised and thoroughly entertained at the fact that they did not stop it. I thought this was going to be a quick one-and-done thing. No, they're dragging this out. I've watched some other podcasts this week as somebody and I'm like, oh my god, this would be so good. Someone said that El Grande Americano should adopt American made and turn them into Mexican made. I was like yo, bro.
Speaker 1:Mexican made. That would be wild. I'm not gonna lie. I'm not gonna lie.
Speaker 2:I'm not gonna lie, but like it's literally just ivy, nile and the creed brothers with freaking luchador masks.
Speaker 1:I don't that one. That one's pretty wild, I'm not going to lie.
Speaker 2:It's so good, Listen that absolute.
Speaker 1:That would be hilarious. I would be here for that. I would be here for that Peak cinema.
Speaker 2:American Alpha and Ivy now becomes part of the becomes luchadors. And now they are Mexican, made Crazy.
Speaker 1:Hey, you know, know, honestly, with uh homegirl she would basically be the equivalent of sexy star and uh lucha underground.
Speaker 2:Because she was, she was definitely an athlete of that sort, you know the only problem is is like with what they're doing is cool, but for them to take the whole team and turning them into Mexican-made, and especially considering the fact that ne'er one of them has a lick of Mexicano in it.
Speaker 1:Hey, hey, hey. You never know. You know how the motherfuckers be doing their ancestries.
Speaker 2:Listen, I'm the only person who might have somewhere close to maybe some kind of Espanola within the confines of their blood system might be Ivy Nile, and that only would be because she probably got some Italian in there and Italy is very close to Spain. That's probably the closest to Latino that any of them has swimming around in them.
Speaker 1:The Espanol is still what gets me right now.
Speaker 2:The Hispaniola.
Speaker 1:Insane. She might have the Espanola Espanola, espanola, that's what we're calling it. Now, all right, bro, we we just bugging the fuck out that's. I'm really hung up on that, I'm sorry. Espanola, uh, you know what? That's almost the equivalent of me somebody saying, um holly, oh yeah, I think I passed it to you. I sent it to you on Facebook.
Speaker 2:It was shorty said jalapeno.
Speaker 1:The jalapeno joint. Oh man, I was so heated about that. She didn't say jalapeno. What did she say? Hold up. She said uh, yeah, jalapeno. Oh my God, I was ready to go the fuck off. Because I was ready to go the fuck off, because I was like no, no, she didn't just say that, no, she didn't say that.
Speaker 2:I, whatever I'm around like Spanish friends just to mess with them, I do that. I'll just be like hey, can you pass the jalapeno chips? And like it's almost as if their body seizes up.
Speaker 1:And they're like yes, because it's almost as if their body seizes up and they're like yes, because it's one of those like what the hell did you just say it's, it's, it's almost like I can't think of any is an equivalent of what we I can't even think of the equivalent.
Speaker 1:What that would be like for us. But uh, not to get too far off into that topic, but uh, so this week of wrestling raw was not that interesting. Jeff cobb's debut was a jeff cobb match. I don't know, I don't know what to tell you, but it was. It was a jeff cobb match. Wasn't bad, wasn't?
Speaker 2:oh, listen, now I feel it's funny because you're saying that, right, right, because I've seen him before and I'm watching this and I'm like, okay, so he's taking this very, very, very slow and methodical approach is what he's doing? Alright, I can deal with that. I can mess with that, that's fine, it's okay. However, like I'm glad that the match went as it did because, like it still made LA Knight not look like a fucking bitch, I mean because he didn't win, because he lost dirty. So because Solo and all of them and now I will say, comparatively speaking, smackdown was definitely better than raw hands down, because everything that I said about oh, you know what, you know what listen I was about to agree about ross.
Speaker 2:Up until this point, that was the only thing that was important about raw to me. That was, those were the only things that I thought was like, oh that's funny, oh that's cool.
Speaker 1:No, the reason why I was going to agree is because SmackDown's main event, which is Tiffany versus Nia Jax, that was a pay-per-view match on SmackDown.
Speaker 2:Listen that should. I hate to sound like that bitter ass nigger. That's still sour about Wrestlemania, but that would have been so much better of a. Wrestlemania match. If we would have had that instead you know why?
Speaker 1:cause your fucking queen was not, it was not up to the speed for that match. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, you heard me.
Speaker 2:See now you out here making up stories and shit.
Speaker 1:But you just literally said that match would have been better. The match already included your queen.
Speaker 2:Yes, it did. But who says it was her?
Speaker 1:Oh get the fuck out of here, tiffany. Tiffany is doing her damn job right now. She is killing it. Do not dare, do not dare.
Speaker 2:Listen, honestly, I have to give that match to naya. Like naya, like her, she has gotten so good. She has gotten so good she's gotten better.
Speaker 1:Yes, wow, yeah, she's got better. She's gotten better. Yeah, like because, compared to back in the day, she used to injure a lot of people. She used to like kind of I want to say, be sluggish in the ring. You know how like vince back in the day was like you're a big, you're a big person, throw your body weight, throw the mass and just kind of you're a wrestler for that. But like naya has gotten better in the ring.
Speaker 2:That's what I'm saying it's just the way that you said it. It was almost as if you were trying to downplay the way that I said it. It was all like I said she's gotten so good. You're all like she's gotten better. I'm like, fuck, you mean that? Yeah, she's gotten better as a wrestler, yeah, so you're not saying she's good.
Speaker 1:Is that what you're trying to say? I'm just saying she's gotten better. When you say good, it could be. I guess our wording is the same, it's just I said the word better. When you say good, I was like, yeah, she's gotten better.
Speaker 2:See what it is is the way that you said it. It's not like you were trying to undermine my girl, naya, over here.
Speaker 1:Because don't act like you don't do it.
Speaker 2:Oh, nah, nah, nah, nah, look.
Speaker 1:Naya, naya, naya. There's a lot of people I don't follow on socials and you know why I'm following Naya. Yeah, you know why I'm following Naya. You know I'm following that, and that was a point too. When I was following her I was like why is she hanging out with mojo riley like this bro? And she hold up bro like no man like yo. Let me get some of that naya.
Speaker 2:Now what do you got against mojo right?
Speaker 1:because he'd be hanging out with her a lot and and I'm like bro, are they dating bro? Amen.
Speaker 2:Yeah, man, you over here on your freaking Nick, your old school Nick Nemeth.
Speaker 1:It should have been me, yes, it should have been me. It always should be me, literally. So that's when, whenever I saw, I was like man, you know what? Let me start looking at this, let me start looking at the instagram, because, man, I'm about to start hating but they just, they're just good friends, they're just good friends.
Speaker 2:But anyway, yeah, go ahead most of the side, though, like night that night and tiffy match like that was oh, it was, it was a great match. Like, yes, it was solid from start to finish, and what I like about it so much is just the fact because number one Nia was looking goddamn amazing by all meanings of the word.
Speaker 2:I mean you're right, tiffy, this time she also was looking extremely great for that match as well as things like they did the thing where it's like they you know how like sometimes they do that weird thing where it's all like, okay, nia's a big girl, you're not about to make me think that Tiffany's about to just straight up overcome this big woman.
Speaker 1:That's what I'm talking about. That's exactly what I'm talking about, because before, when she started wrestling, it was like she was that, but now it's like I love how she took Yokozuna's splash. I love it. You know what I'm?
Speaker 2:saying I love that. So Nia Jax is my way because of the things that she does, because she's taken pretty much all of Yokozuna's main signatures, which is that, and even down to just the way that she does the leg drop, it's pure Yoko and that makes me feel all nice inside because God rest his soul. I was a Yokozuna stan back in the day dog Just the way he moved, the way he did things. And then not Yokozuna, but motherfucking. Just the way he moved, the way he did things like, and then man, and then not yoko zuna but motherfucking rodney fam.
Speaker 1:he was a nigga dog like oh, you know, outside of him being superhero in no, no, you're talking about.
Speaker 2:That was like no, no, no. I know who you're thinking about. That was Jamal.
Speaker 1:I thought his name was no Jamal. Jamal was Umaga. I could have sworn.
Speaker 2:No, actually, I think you might be right. So yeah, because it was rosie and jamal. Rosie was the one who was the superhero in training yeah, that's what I'm saying, yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, freaking. I thought you was trying to say that yoko zuno was the superhero in training no, no, no, hell, no.
Speaker 1:That man was unfortunately no longer with us at that time when that stuff was going on. To know also in their history that Yokozuna and Vader also went to a weight loss camp at the same time and they were both like nah, we're going to chill and eat fried chicken together, which is the most wildest thing to hear. Just fuck this shit. We're gonna eat some fried chicken it failed.
Speaker 2:Like I said, with all respect to Yokozuna, that is the most fat kid shit I've ever heard in my life.
Speaker 1:I felt like it was a lot more Vader, but two ages on.
Speaker 2:Vader out here is like hey, I know this chicken spot bro.
Speaker 1:We need to go.
Speaker 2:And then when you think about, when you think about those words put into a sentence right next to each other Vader and Yokozuna was sneaking out of a weight loss center to go get fried chicken Some baller shit.
Speaker 1:How I mean when I say baller, in a sense of, like they just said yo, we gonna fucking do what we want to do. Oh, you mean like, how did they do it? Oh, okay, okay, okay, okay. I thought you meant like that's a bad thing, maz. What are you talking about? Like, yeah, it is, but like you gotta also wonder how to do they bully somebody. Be like yo, give me some fucking fried chicken.
Speaker 2:We gonna beat your ass correct in the sense of like, yeah, that is definitely some ball of shit. Because Vader is a big man, rest his soul too, because he also passed away. Vader was a big big man. Yokozuna was two Vaders. Big man, how do you sneak out like that?
Speaker 1:They did it. That's the part that's crazy.
Speaker 2:They did it listen in the dnd world. Both of these motherfuckers hit nat 20s on their sneak and somehow but wouldn't that sneak still be low, like really really low? So if you were to think about what they are right, For all intents and purposes, Vader is a barbarian. He's a full barbarian. Maybe he's a barbarian fighter. Yokozuna is like. He's like a barbarian monk.
Speaker 1:If that makes sense.
Speaker 2:You know I'm starting to learn these things now because of me playing boulder's gate 2 and oh then the reason why I would, the reason why I put yokozuna as a barbarian monk, is because, number one being the barbarian you know, barbarians they can take hits, they're, they're kind of, they're pretty much the tanks and whatnot, and and so then you add the monk part of it and now you get there, that, that agility aspect of them, because monks are fast, you know, they got step of the wind so they can, like freaking, dance around and move and all this other stuff real easily and real quickly. They're soft on their feet and their toes, and Yokozuna, for being a big dude, was very quick on his feet and could dance around in the ring when he was at his healthiest type situation. And so that's why I would say him as a barbarian monk versus Vader's straight barbarian. And I can tell you right now, depending on how you multiclass your monk, maybe you'll have some good sneak, maybe you'll have some good sneak.
Speaker 2:Because sneak is based off of your dexterity in the game. And so in.
Speaker 1:Monks, they're very dexterous.
Speaker 2:So, yokozuna, just by the way the game is made and put together and with what I said so far, okay, big Van Vader, it's time Vader, time Barbarians.
Speaker 1:Oh, wait, wait, wait, you got it. You got to do it like this, you got to do it like this. You got to do it like this you gotta do it like this, you gotta do it like this, because it's still technically a T. This is still technically a T, it's just not the right T is there a gang sign for T?
Speaker 2:I don't like it.
Speaker 1:I like how you immediately went to gang side could, went to side language and he just went straight to gang I mean, if I want to be nervous, like is there, like a jutsu for tea, like I don't fucking know. I don't know what that would look like, but it's just funny. You went immediately to that. So finally, AEW we talked about WWE and Jeff Cobbs' entry and all that kind of stuff.
Speaker 2:We also need to give the props to Alexa Bliss, because number one she's, she's back.
Speaker 1:Yes, she is back and she's going to the money in the bank yeah, they're putting, I think they're putting the rocket on her bro, which I think I think they've, I think they realized with the uh, the white six, because she mainly was supposed to be there for that storyline. They said, hey look, we got you on the contract. We were supposed to have you do this thing. Yeah, our bad. Or like yeah, unfortunately these people can't, so let's just do something for the sake of you and put you back up there for a little bit, you know we'll see.
Speaker 2:I am curious to see what they're going to do with alexa right now, but uh, oh, and we also have to bring up which once again. This is why SmackDown was actually good, because they had these different things. Like John Cena is going to be fighting R-Truth.
Speaker 1:That's an interesting match, bro, because it's like that's going to be a goofball-ass match, bro, literally goofball central.
Speaker 2:Trying to understand R-Tr truth's point of view right now is interesting, like our truth is sitting here, he's our truth is like in this weird denial where he's all like like nah, I know john ceno, that guy that's not john ceno, but when I? But I'm not giving up on John Cena and I'm like okay, because at first I was sitting there with Wade Burrow like R-Truth. The fuck are you talking about, you goofy?
Speaker 2:motherfucker yeah, but it's like okay, I see what he's trying to say. He's trying to say the fact that, even though John Cena is going through this, whatever it is, his hero always taught him never give up, no matter what. And I guess he's never going to give up and he's all about the hustle, loyalty and respect and he's going to do all of that. And he's like, if it means that I have to go and beat up on on john cena to help him remember, so be it, I'm gonna do that kind of thing and I'm just like all right, our truth all right pop off loyalty shit, loyalty shit listen, I, that's.
Speaker 2:That's one of those things when I was like man I, but I hope we can't even get mad. My fans. They try Our Truth. One of them kind of like Our Truth. One of them down from day one type people where you know how them girls be when they man goes to jail and they still ride.
Speaker 1:He only did one murder. He only did one thing. I'm riding with my man. You know what I'm saying. What's that video he's like? Is that your man? She's like that's mine, and you know what he did. That's mine. Yes, that's mine.
Speaker 2:Yep.
Speaker 1:Our truth.
Speaker 2:Right now you go, ron, that's my champ, but I did want to also bring up this last thing about SmackDown.
Speaker 1:Technical difficulties, but we're back, so what's up?
Speaker 2:listen, that shocked me. He froze, where'd he go? But okay, so talk to me about Penta's brother right now, phoenix. Please, what are we doing?
Speaker 1:oh, like him losing that match and everything not just losing that match.
Speaker 2:Did you see that match? Homie was all over the place just like what's, what are we? What's happening right now? He's, but just fucking just botching the moves and just something, and then he takes the pin yeah.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it was a one-on-one too, too, which is I mean like Solo. Solo needs to rack a dub, was it a?
Speaker 2:solo.
Speaker 1:Oh, it was a tag team, you're right, you're right, you're right. I thought it was one.
Speaker 2:It wasn't even that Damn. That shows how much you cared about.
Speaker 1:No, I remember I could have sworn it was a Okay, go ahead, go ahead, go ahead, go ahead.
Speaker 2:It Okay, go ahead, go ahead. It was a qualified match. It was Solo versus Jay. Yeah, jay, damn, I did the thing. Jimmy and Jay, I don't know why?
Speaker 1:Big Jim, yeah, you're right. Okay, yeah, he was in that, you're right, you're right, you're right, you're right. Yeah, big Jim is Solo and Phoenix that pin brother, I pin brother, he got to eat one or two. I mean Penta.
Speaker 1:Penta has lost his undefeated streak freaking if I'm not mistaken, phoenix has only won like one match no, he's won pretty much every match he's had since he's gotten here, besides except the because when he debuted, and then the every match he's had since he's gotten here, Besides except the Because when he debuted, he debuted and then the next day he won. I could have sworn. It was only at Mania he lost and then he took this pin.
Speaker 2:Okay, you know what You're right? You're right Because he was fighting them, phantasmo boys.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and he was doing the spectacles and shit like that, yeah. Okay, it's just like I think, just because of the sheer like ass, that bad, you're just kind of, you're constantly just kind of used to. You know, uh, I want to say used to. But like you know how we as fans, we kind of get really used to a person coming in. They get like a win or two and then all of a sudden it's like well, they're not really going to go that far with him.
Speaker 2:Listen, that's what it feels like. I feel like where Penta is flourishing, his brother is stutter-stepping a bit here.
Speaker 1:His direction is not the same Like correct, it is drastically different because, homie, he ate that pin like like.
Speaker 2:I'm just like all right we did?
Speaker 1:I don't think pinto ate the pin for that triple threat?
Speaker 2:no, he did not. He did not eat the pin for the triple threat. And then it's like, at any time that he has been pinned it was through tomfoolery kind of thing you right.
Speaker 1:Yeah, because of that match, something happened and I think Homie stole the pin.
Speaker 2:Correct, or he got a big American headbutt and stuff like that. So I just wanted to make sure I spoke on that American head, but it's stuff like that. So, so that that that I just wanted to make sure I spoke on that and just to get your feels on what they're doing with, uh, phoenix right now a part of it could be.
Speaker 1:I don't know, phoenix might've had a match where he you know every wrestler has that moment where you kind of just it just wasn't a good night. Chemistry wasn't a good night, chemistry wasn't right, you know, and that's even in the music industry, when we've had nights where we do shows and you just see the audience is just not vibing with the music. Nobody wants to, you know, give you any energy, they're just there. You know what I'm saying. So it kind of feels like something like that. But for, maybe, phoenix I don't know if something may have happened during that day he got in the ring and it just wasn't his night. It just wasn't his night.
Speaker 2:It was just now, Greg, it wasn't FTR bad Ooh, but going into AEW though night day difference between wwe and aew stuff because, like aew was exciting, it held my attention like the hurt business thing that we was talking about. Now, to their credit, this is what they call it uh good storytelling no, no, no, no, no, they're this, because this week they was. This was an event type situation which was like beach break. I think they called it right yeah, beach break, yeah, so it's like they're.
Speaker 2:so Beach Break is pretty much like they're having PLE level matches on their shows, kind of thing, because like listen the Hangman and Osprey match with Don Cal's family.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah, that was a really good fucking match. The fucking combo of the hidden blade and the buckshot was like Listen, the hidden buckshot.
Speaker 2:The buckshot blade fan. Like what that shit was cold. Listen that hidden buckshot dog. I actually like both names the buckshot blade.
Speaker 1:When they said it I was like the Buckshot Blade, the Hidden Buckshot, the Hidden the Buckshot Blade. That was another one I remember I came up with in my mind too, and I was just like all of these are really good ideas.
Speaker 2:So like I love that whole thing that they're going with and I can't wait to see what their little, when they do their little face-off thing. I'm ready for that freaking zach gowen and ricochet yo bro.
Speaker 1:When he came out there, I flipped my shit. I remember what happened, was I forgot I was. I think I had stopped watching it for a second. And then I came back and I was like just scrolling, what did I miss? What did I miss, whatever? And I saw I was like is that fucking Zach With one? Look, that's Zach. This man is still going. And I was bro. He's doing springboards, he's doing he. It's like his leg is still there and you don't even notice it.
Speaker 2:He's just doing it. It's interesting because, like that was the best match I've ever seen Zach Godwin have. Oh my God. Now I will admit, when he left WWE I did not proceed to watch what he did on the indies. Apparently, he was actually doing some real shit when he went to Ring of Honor type thing.
Speaker 2:And so I was like so he was after WWE, he was still doing big shit, because in WWE he was he always was just the underdog, so he was the one who got beat the living shit out of and then a whole bunch of stuff would happen and then he would come out and pull out the w by the skin of his teeth. But when he went up against ricochet, though, like I'm just like, oh, who is this man? This is this because, once again, when we was watching zach gallen, he was literally a child yes, yes, yes, yes like like 18 to like early 20 year old one-legged moonsault boy getting pushed down the stairs by Brock Neistat.
Speaker 2:That's crazy. And now we're looking at grown-ass man with a family, zach Gowen, and I'm like Going the fuck off. Going off on Ricochet, like Like that was a good match. Now considering right, because, just to make a quick comparison, mm-hmm Pat McAfee and Gunther Ricochet and Zach Galwin.
Speaker 1:just the idea of these two really big heels fighting someone who they're undermining.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, undermining, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah kind of thing.
Speaker 1:but then all of a sudden they're like oh, I gotta take this guy seriously and actually have to try and fight kind of thing like, comparably speaking, ricochet and zach galvin did it so much better.
Speaker 2:So much better Because this boosted Ricochet Easy.
Speaker 1:Okay, you feel like it boosted his stake as a heel, or where do you feel like it boosted him at?
Speaker 2:Everything. Let me put it this way Because, like I'm one of those guys who you know because, me being a WWE stan, I really only watched Ricochet when he was in WWE. Now, I'm aware of what Ricochet slash Mr Puma is capable of kind of thing. But seeing him where he's at right now and to have the kind of thing, but seeing him where he's at right now and to have the kind of match that he had with, like, zach Gowen, and then for him to just like I see him so boosted off of this match and just pushing more on his heel persona, like really putting in there like man ricochet is an absolute scumbag as where, with this same type of deal with gunther, this is like man gunther's turned into an absolute pussy and it's crazy right now, bro, like it is, it is blowing my brains out, cause I'm just like bro, I'm losing belief in Gunther.
Speaker 1:I love how you're like yo. He is an absolute pussy. You said that in your spirit. Oh, my brother testify you gotta pussy. You said that in your spirit.
Speaker 2:Oh, my brother.
Speaker 1:Testify. You got completed. You got completed. Oh my brother.
Speaker 2:Let me testify. Let me talk to you. That more so Now. I am surprised at what they did with Toni Storm, though with her she took the pin?
Speaker 1:was this the one she took the pin in?
Speaker 2:she did and now at the next pay per view. She's gotta fight this dancing girl. I forget her name yeah, I did too.
Speaker 1:Not like saying she wasn't memorable. It's just like in the moment it's a new wrestler to us and everything.
Speaker 2:Correct, and I remember her and Toni Storm had a small little something like, but like because I don't watch. What is it? Stardom, ring of Honor. Because I don't watch Ring of Honor. I did not get the full details of Honor. I did not get the full details of it.
Speaker 2:Now they did, on Collision, explain their little relationship that they've had up until this point, which was nice, but I was very surprised about her taking that pin and whatnot and the main things when it comes to collision, because collision was just a bunch of good matches, like the learning tree versus the um. Oh, what are those boys? Names them samoan boys, goddamn. Oh, it's right there at the tip of my tongue. Gates of agony there you go.
Speaker 1:Oh, it was like yeah, it took me a minute, too. Two, I was like wait, who the?
Speaker 2:fuck Listen. Gates of Agony Streetfight. That street fight was something serious.
Speaker 1:It was pretty good. I really want Brian Keith to finally get the chance to be the bounty hunter, like he was in the Indies, bro, he used to come out to still tipping. Look up some videos of Bryant. He used to still tipping on both that was his theme song and he was the bounty hunter. So it's just like it's hood, as fuck grills out.
Speaker 2:He comes out like he's basically a, a western undertaker, but he comes out to still tipping because before he joined the learning tree he would come out there with the goddamn hat and shit and the poncho and I'm like, who is this? Nigga?
Speaker 1:he that motherfucking guy, though he's that guy like he.
Speaker 2:He's cool, he's definitely cool he as far as the match went, like him, him, him and um Big Bill, I want to call him Big. Cash but we don't call him that, no more.
Speaker 1:Nah, the Redwood, the Redwood, yeah, the Redwood, pause the way he looked like the Redwood. Yeah, the Redwood, anyway, go ahead that match, that match.
Speaker 2:It's one of those things where it's like that match slapped more than it should have. Yes, it was better than it really needed to be and I appreciate it. And then, of course, you know, my AEW, queen Megan Bain, showed face and I love it, you immediately calling her your queen, bro, listen.
Speaker 2:I said what I said. Now, what is funny to me, though, I love this thing with Anna Jay and Harley, Like because Harley has this thing about Anna Jay's ass fam number one only because they brought attention to it yeah, you can't miss it, yeah, it's it's there.
Speaker 2:However, on Collision they come out and she does stay when she turns around kind of thing, and she's kind of like Is there? However, on Collision they come out and she does the thing where she turns around, kind of thing, and she's kind of like looking back at it, and then, harley, she comes out there and she's like you know, she's like, ah, she slaps it, and then impulsive thoughts just take over and she just is.
Speaker 1:Who else did that in? Did somebody do that in NXT?
Speaker 2:I don't, I can't recall, but when Harley, it's like Harley literally just buried her face in the cheeks and just, and she just kind of like pushed her off like bitch, what the hell is wrong with you, oh, and she just kind of like pushed her off like bitch.
Speaker 1:what the hell is wrong with you?
Speaker 2:Like yo chill, like I know you're supposed to be in character but like hold up Bruh, was she on live TV Stray motorboat, her cheeks down In front of God and everybody.
Speaker 1:In front of God and everyone else.
Speaker 2:Oh, my word when I saw that I was in tears, laughing fail hey, man, she knew what she wanted and probably what, who you mean.
Speaker 2:You tell me you wouldn't have did it and the only other thing I did want to bring up, only because, like it, it's like not to make it in, not to end talking about a note but they did actually come out and say the fact that apparently, jr has been diagnosed with colon cancer. Yes, he's supposed to be getting some kind of surgery going on this week. And so it's like, oh, that's crazy and that's a surprise. And so it's like, oh, that's crazy and that's a surprise. Hopefully we're hoping JR can come through and we'll be able to hear some more good old JR just a little bit longer, because man, oh man, colon cancer is no joke.
Speaker 1:It is, and you know, jr is for a lot of us, especially people who watch the Attitude Era. He was the voice, he was one of the voices that made Raw in every show what it was like there was times where he he's the voice of our childhood yes him, and gotta give it to King too, cause, like, while JR is part, like King is literally one cannot exist without the other oh yes, it's the yin, and yang. Yeah, it is the yin and yang.
Speaker 2:You can't have JR without Jerry Layton.
Speaker 1:But I'm still going to say this to this day Even though JR is a great commentator, there is no better commentator than Joey Styles. But that is also because I am an ECW guy. I also got to give it to matt striker. Matt striker watching him on lucha. Uh bro, I met him at russell con and this is when lucha was popping. I said yo, matt, I know you probably don't care about me as a fan or whatever, but I want to just tell you right now I really appreciate what you are doing on Lucha as a commentator.
Speaker 1:You make that show really good and it just I can't remember the exact words, but he was like yo, like for a moment he paused and he says you know what, actually, thank you so much. Like that really meant something to me, like I, it didn't feel like it was, like he fabricated it, like oh yeah, it's a fan telling me this. Like blah, blah, blah, like let me get him to go on. But he like paused, like like he never heard it kind of thing you know and you have to process. Like damn, I didn't think people really liked me, like that, yeah that.
Speaker 2:That that realization of resin, of recognition. You know what I'm saying, like where it's like so people do fuck with me. Yeah, nice feeling yeah, it was.
Speaker 1:Um, it was a good moment to have, and I I mean I haven't had a chance to pop it to him since, but it was like I saw him at russell khan years ago and I just had to tell him that. Because, yeah, on lucha, you know, with him and vampiro vampiro is a good addition too. You, you gotta watch lucha bro. I can't, I can't stress this enough. You know, with him and Vampiro Vampiro is a good addition too. You gotta watch Lucha bro. I can't, I can't stress this enough. You know you've been diving into some wrestling, but you gotta watch this Lucha bro.
Speaker 2:I am I. I am going to make the promise that. Uh, I will promise that when June hits. I'm a binge.
Speaker 1:Okay, I'm a bitch. Okay, matter of fact, we can even do a Patreon thing in the future, where it's just us watching.
Speaker 2:Lucha, listen, I'm down for that too, either way. I will bitch.
Speaker 1:Okay.
Speaker 2:I've seen small bits and pieces because it was definitely something that I accidentally stepped in Like ew, what is this? Oh no, this is good. That was what Lucha Underground was for me and Antonio at the time.
Speaker 1:You know what's funny when you say something like that. It was like earlier today, corey had spilled alcohol on the floor, rubbing alcohol, and she did it like you know how you try to save something from spilling, and I was like, no, that's fine, floor's clean now. Floor's clean. Now floor's clean, floor's clean. We know that now. Honestly, it's good it's not gonna stain anything?
Speaker 2:yeah, it's not before I end everything on this week of wrestling because I finally got a chance to squeeze in some TNA I did watch NXT as well, but like NXT I mean nothing too crazy going on, because the real stuff for NXT is this coming week, because they're going to be in Tampa, and that's when they're going to be doing all their big stuff. So NXT was literally set up for all of that.
Speaker 1:But real quick, real quick, before you get into that, I, I'm, I'm really stressed about trying to make it to a Tampa show because I don't know if scene is going and I kind of need that one last, being in the presence of of of Sina in the arena and hearing that, you know, because it's the last run, it's the last run, but driving two hours to watch that show, it's like do I want? To do it.
Speaker 2:I'm like I don't think Cena's gonna be there.
Speaker 1:I would hope, because it's like again, it's his last run, he has to make it to Florida at some point. He fucking lives there. I mean he lives here. So like he literally is this last run. He has to make it to Florida at some point. He fucking lives there. I mean he lives here, so like he literally lives in Tampa that is true, I don't know.
Speaker 2:I mean, I do think that wrestling is coming to like outside of them coming to Tampa. Oh wait, duh freaking Saturday Night Main Event, this one coming up. He's fighting our truth in orlando, in tampa so, uh, that's what I'm talking about. I'm talking about orlando wise now I don't know what orlando.
Speaker 1:Well, I don't know when they're coming back to orlando yeah, I'm sure if they do, he probably probably will, and it's next Saturday, yes, next Saturday. Oh no, I'm not going there. I'm not going there. My funds don't allow that.
Speaker 2:I feel that, but the last little thing I did want to bring up.
Speaker 1:Yeah, go ahead.
Speaker 2:My bad Outside of the fact that on TNA, number one TNA, I like TNA almost feels like it's like the second brand to NXT. So it's like if NXT is raw, TNA is SmackDown right now. And I'm kind of feeling that.
Speaker 1:Okay.
Speaker 2:It's like because I'm trying to make TNA my normal watch on Thursdays, it's like I'm still getting acclimated to it. But guess who popped up on tna that I was not prepared to see. And what's even funnier, she shows up and is teaming up with uh, goddamn, uh Tessa Blanchard. I think I hold on In TNA. She goes by Victoria Crawford, but you would know her as Alicia Fox.
Speaker 1:Yeah, she's working with Santino now, isn't she?
Speaker 2:Mm-hmm, Mm-hmm, mm-hmm. That was quite the surprise because, like, I'm watching the match and I'm like because the Victoria Crawford I didn't recognize. But I'm looking at this girl as she's coming out to the ring. I'm like hold up, because she comes out to the ring and she's got.
Speaker 2:You know how she always has that freaking the onesie kind of she always has like that, that, that, um, I forget what it's called. It's not garland, jesus christ, wow, garland, no, the boa, you know like. Oh, because she would always yeah, she would always come out with the boa yeah, yeah yeah, wear it. She just always has it. Does the little dip with it and I was like she did all those mannerisms.
Speaker 1:I'm like why you look familiar.
Speaker 2:Alicia Fox statue. Yes, they kind of started talking about her and everything and she literally did the thing where it's like she showed up, she won a match and now she's about to fight for the woman's title, like that's that's where she's at right now nostalgia, it's like, uh, and of course you know, aid in english on on commentary.
Speaker 2:You know, he, he, he did bring up the fact that you know that you know she's been in the business for a minute and you know, due to her accolades, and you know, in her, uh, you know in the other places that she's been, and blah, blah. I'm like, okay, no, that is alicia fox. Wow, okay, I see you girl, you still out here doing the thing. I fucks with it. It's just kind of funny that you were Tessa Blanchard with all the. You know, tessa, we coming for you, yeah, yeah, oh, is this, I'm guessing? Like, is this Tessa's way? Of like, look, I have black friends.
Speaker 1:Like, oh my yo, that's crazy, because that's literally the equivalent of that. And if she has a partner who is POC next, then it's a rip.
Speaker 2:It is a rip oh, my goodness, but fam, that's, that's my spill on this week, this week of wrestling. That's my spill on this week, this week of wrestling. Yes, that's, that's, that's my. That's my spill, like it is what it is.
Speaker 1:But hell yeah to alicia fox and well, get better, come back, get clean I I know we originally had the topic of um mid-card wanting to talk about the mid card division that we were familiar with. But I really do want to dive in a little bit um in the future with the commentary thing, because I feel like you know a lot of episodes people talk about wrestling and people talk about um, the matches and stuff like that. But I don't think a lot of people have full-on conversation about commentators and the ones we all enjoy, because I mean we got Taz, we got, you know, paul Heyman as a commentator, just like I wouldn't say kind of doing a top tens list. I think we could probably do that. Of our top tens, I mean technically my first one, my number one is a given.
Speaker 2:You would put Joey Styles at number one for commentating.
Speaker 1:Oh my god. Yes, and JR would be second.
Speaker 2:I mean the fact that he's number one, so that already made him over JR, but JR is second. Listen, listen.
Speaker 1:Okay, okay, who would you say is your number one?
Speaker 2:That's a good question. I mean, if I really thought about it.
Speaker 1:On the spot. On the spot. We'll make it another episode, but on the spot.
Speaker 2:My number one. Yeah, no, it probably would have to be JR. Now I will say because I've watched some old school stuff yeah, I want to say because the it was back when Gorilla Monsoon was doing it it was a great commentator too and he was with. I want to say, was it? Jesse Ventura no, no, no. I do fuck with Jesse Ventura as a commentator that's what I'm saying, actually, actually.
Speaker 2:I really do fuck with Jesse Ventura as a commentator. I fuck with Jesse Ventura, alright, bro, even as the conspiracy theorist that he currently is these days no, did you see?
Speaker 1:it was a video of him talking to like I want to say it was congress or something like that and he was talking about like when he enlisted in the army and he went to vietnam and stuff like that. He came back and then he served his country. He was like saying, uh, I want to go back to vietnam. And he said his sergeant's like what, why would you want to do that? He says because at least in that country I'm considered a man. I went to serve my country and this and this and that, and I come back. I can't get a beer, I can't do this, I can't even vote, I can't do all these things, but yet I went to serve my country and give my life on the line and I'm still treated like a boy here. Fuck that, send me back to. Send me back to.
Speaker 2:Vietnam. Say what you want about Jesse Ventura, especially like now and his like him being, you know, the older gentleman that he is. It's like, granted, there's times where Jesse he definitely be wearing the tinfoil hat really hard sometimes. However, at the same time, when you think about the shit that he's seen, the shit that he's done, the places that he's been, what he has become and where he's at right now, he's one of those people. He's one of the few people you know what Wear that hat. You earned it Because, honestly, you're probably right.
Speaker 1:And we're the stupid ones.
Speaker 2:I listen. There is stuff that Jesse Ventura be saying that I be you ever get in a random conversation with a bunch of black guys and they're going on about like illuminati and all this other stuff and you know, you know the rap game they're everyone's getting you know butt raped and stuff like that to get their records put out there and stuff like that. Like you know, like when they get into that, like that weird, very niche conversation, yeah, yes, so like jessie ventura is the kind of person he's, if you had those conversations, jessie would probably be like well, of course that like you guys are just smartening up to this and realizing it, like this has been going on since forever. It is one of those things where it's all like jesse knows way too much and the way in the, in the way that jesse moves because I've watched him in podcasts and listened to what he says I'm like the way that he moves, the things that he knows, yeah, no, there's a reason why he doesn't have a cell phone, he doesn't watch TV and he lives in as the how is it that?
Speaker 2:Will Sasso In the middle of the bar? But let's Take my big pussy Pleasure. I love me some. Jesse Vent ventura and I actually love. I hope he's actually going to be there for saturday night main event. Honestly, if I had the time and I had the funds, but more so if I just had the time time yeah, it's a big thing I definitely would have tried to get to saturday night main event.
Speaker 2:It would have been it'd to Saturday Night Maid event.
Speaker 1:It would have been really dope because it's something as a wrestling fan it wasn't our era and just the nostalgia behind it.
Speaker 2:It's funny because I remember, because it was from the old school and remember, for that brief moment they kind of brought it back and whatnot, which was fun.
Speaker 2:but like I like how they've brought it back this time it's like literally the same thing, like it used to be back in the day yeah, I like how they've brought it back this time and I even more so like the fact that they brought jesse ventura into it, just because like to hear him do, to hear him do his jesse. The body now is like damn, jesse, you're, you still got it, even though you're old and a little, a little crazy in a good way, but he's still, he still done, he still gets it done. And I love some of the out-of-pocket, like his boiler room, some of it like whoa. There was something that he had said about somebody that I was like I think I know what you're talking about.
Speaker 1:I just can't remember it right now.
Speaker 2:I don't remember the exact hot take, but he just came out the bat with I was just like all right, Jesse Out of nowhere. Very much so, Very much so. But to answer the question for now, we'll say JR.
Speaker 1:Okay, I will say challenge for next week is to look back at your favorite commentators of all time. I feel like mine would change, but a part of me is there's just something about that. Oh my God, it's just something about it, bro. God, it's just something about it, bro.
Speaker 2:I will say I have to give him credit and I can understand why he would like it so much because, like, when he was commentating, it was just him.
Speaker 1:Yeah, he was doing it solo and he had to be both a JR and a. He had to be a JR and a King at the same time, so he had to be color comment and a King at the same time. So he had to be color commentator and a complete like give you everything and he would just be him which that is now.
Speaker 2:That is another thing I can also give him credit for, because, like he was absolutely going to be him and he was going to take shit from nobody. But once again, you know, that's just ECW yeah, he apparently is doing mlw in a.
Speaker 1:Uh, I think he's doing another promotion. I didn't know about this until I was like where is joey styles right now? I think somebody was having a conversation about favorite commentators and he popped up and I was like where the fuck is joey styles? Like what is he doing? Like why is he not? I'm you know what. As much as I would enjoy uh, as I currently enjoyed the AEW cast, I'm like he would fit so good in these pay-per-views with, like say, watch that We'll all spray in um Kyle Fletcher match.
Speaker 2:And then I'm doing that moonsault. I'm like, yeah, like bruh bruh. Now, and only because I know we'll probably dive deeper into it next week, I will say who could have been my favorite announcer, and the only reason why I can't make him be my favorite is because I just didn't get enough time with him Mauro Ronaldo, yes yes listen Mauro.
Speaker 2:if it was not for the fact that JBL was such a piece of shit bully and made him leave, kind of thing. Oh my, listen Mauro. If Mauro could have still been in WWE all the way up until this point in some capacity, he would have easily been my favorite announcer period, Damn.
Speaker 1:Over JR.
Speaker 2:Over JR bro, damn Over JR. Over JR bro, damn Fam. Mauro was gold.
Speaker 1:He was. He could not fumble. He did not fumble, watching NXT matches with him as a voice. Oh my gosh, that, honestly, was a part of what made the black and gold what it was.
Speaker 2:He sounded amazing when he was announcing and like he was quick with it with just the things that he said is like he brought. He brought the jr energy with a new voice and a new twang and he because he was also like in tune with just the world that was going on around him, like there would just be certain things that he, you know he would make a. He would compare something that happened in the ring with something that was going on.
Speaker 2:You know it was like uh currently in the world yeah, like, even like I was trying to, I was trying to make up one, I was like, I was like he's more beat. I was about to make a reference to the Diddy Trial, because I found out that that's actually happening right now.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah.
Speaker 2:So the Diddy Trial's been crazy already it's only been a week since it's been going on. Like I literally was just telling my roommate who was also arrested, ray Zeon, big reg like he was saying the fact that like it's only been a week and it's gotten so extremely crazy. And I would say to him I was like fam, this is about to be bigger than the Michael Jackson trial, like cause you remember when the Michael Jackson trial happened and how everybody was just waiting by the TV day by day to get their information?
Speaker 1:Or the R Kelly trial, either one of them.
Speaker 2:I feel the R Kelly trial not to be not to really be trying to rank trials, but I feel like R Kelly trial, R Kelly's trial, didn't live up to the hype that the Michael Jackson trial did, Because that trial was crazy and there was a lot of but the is this Diddy trial, the baby oil trial that we got with the Diddy party.
Speaker 1:The baby oil trial that we got with the ditty parties.
Speaker 2:The baby oil trial is crazy oh, my brother testify because that actually fits with what's going on.
Speaker 1:Actually, you probably shouldn't testify no, I mean, I was at the parties and no, no, I was not at the parties which. No, no, I was not at the parties which. Going off topic, but going back into the commentators, in the future let's go into this mid card. So, mid card, wise man, we I. The mid card is something that it's not as talked about as some people should and valued and enjoyed as some people should. But a mid card is very important and I never got the chance to. I don't think we were making a list, but we just want to talk about some of our favorite mid card wrestlers in general, and two of them that I could think of immediately is the APA.
Speaker 2:Okay, now, because I know originally you was talking about like, who was your like, which era was your favorite mid-color?
Speaker 1:yes, yes, that was yes and so like.
Speaker 2:after kind of looking, it's like there is there's a part of me where it's like there's like the, the potential that the mid card had, and then like how good the actual mid card was. I feel I still feel that the Roofless Aggression era, going into the PG era, mid-card was like still was still rather top-notch. I feel, as if they were good, but they were good in the sense where it's all where, uh, how am I trying to say this? They were good in the sense where they had the skills to be something great, but they were not used properly. And a and a and a good example of that, just just to give you a couple of names that would represent that particular statement La Resistance, that tag team, shelton, benjamin Carlito.
Speaker 1:Romaine, carlito or Maven.
Speaker 2:you actually give it to Maven, okay and if I want to stretch it a little bit more when it comes to like the talent that they had and like they could have done so much more with them, the last person I'm going to throw on that list just to prove my point MVP.
Speaker 1:Are you an MVP fan for years?
Speaker 2:Yes, I am, and always have been, always will be, a Montel Vontavious Porter guy. But what I'm saying is Are you coming? I'm not even going to stop that.
Speaker 1:Nobody going to stop me, nobody going to hold me, nobody can. I'm comfy, that's what you're telling me.
Speaker 2:I'm here to do a thing I'm never going to change.
Speaker 1:I ain't going to lie. The Shocker is a terrible rapper, but he made that shit go hard.
Speaker 2:When we was doing the intros and whatnot, I listened to MVP's theme song and I'm like man, this shit whack as fuck.
Speaker 1:And he's like drop the cannon, I got the juice, let the dog loose. It's just like, not like Tina, something like I'm shooting the free throw, like what the fuck is he talking about? Don't matter, those bars were so bad, I'm shooting the free throw Like what the fuck is he talking about?
Speaker 2:Don't matter, those bars were so bad.
Speaker 1:But when he says I'm coming, that shit get you hype. I'm coming. One, two, you hit the clock. Hit the clock, tick, tick, tick, talk, talk, talk you about to start living, tick, talk. I want you in my memory Because they don't have no memory. I'm coming like that shit go hard that shit go hard.
Speaker 2:It's funny cause it's like thinking about how I, how we used to be, we used to be singing that shit like it was some real stuff and there's like cause you and me being rappers you know, there's. You're listening to the song, you're like, yeah, I like this song, but then you finally like stop and actually like analyze the words of the song, and then you're all this is why I enjoy john cena's.
Speaker 2:My time is now because, from a lyrical standpoint, trademark the truth he delivered bro listen, yesivered, even though in both songs, whether it's Basic Thuganomics or my Time, is Now the second verse. It's one of those things you don't really want. You don't pay attention to it, but Trademark was the truth. Now.
Speaker 1:Chain gang is the clique Trademark was the truth, now All right. Chain gang is the click.
Speaker 2:Trademark is the truth. This is Facebook. I'm right here for you.
Speaker 1:I'm right here for you.
Speaker 2:We ride together, we fight together. Right now we're about to get live together. Chain gang is the click.
Speaker 1:Bro, that shit went hard. Oh my God, anybody that listened to that. I remember I was getting picked on as a kid listening to that album because it wasn't like 50 Cent or some shit. But then here's the thing my stepbrothers was like actually, they actually listened to like one or two of the songs and it was like yo, yo, yo, actually this shit go hard. I'm like, yeah, so I listened to that shit for two seconds.
Speaker 2:Listen to this bro, bro, it's the joint baby. Gotta make it loud.
Speaker 1:You know what I'm saying like what was my, what was my song?
Speaker 2:it was uh, you already know, my song was bad man yeah, you, you, you, you fucking love that goddamn song um devils rocking alien levels.
Speaker 1:I remember my stuff. I want to see me in these beats and them seas and them beats is what I eat.
Speaker 2:My rhymes are sick of the gangrene in both feet Spreading out the leg and head and foot. Boy, fuck with Bumpy Knuckles dog. What are we doing right now?
Speaker 1:Bumpy Knuckles is one of those. If I could ever get a feature from a certain artist, bumpy is one of them, because you bumpy, bumpy is one uh, I'm trying to think there's a couple other people, but bumpy is definitely one of them I'm definitely probably getting a trademark. I'm definitely definitely getting a trademark. True, midcard-wise. Come back into that Midcard.
Speaker 2:You say Roofless Aggression, this again is midcard for any federation or any promotion.
Speaker 2:Now, when we talk about any promotion, if I could say so, if I say that ruthless aggression, era is a underrated mid card because, like when those particular five people, all those guys were mid cars, they didn't see a lot of day of the main event type thing, because back then the main event was so locked down tight that these guys, they just they, they never peaked intercontinental and us titles only kind of thing, but it's like they were. So they were so good of wrestlers that they should have been better, and that's the thing about the ruthless aggression era. Um, that's, that's the thing about the Ruthless Aggression era. That's the thing about those particular mid cards.
Speaker 2:Because there are other era mid cards that I feel like they were good kind of but in for realness they were trash. But I will say I think when it comes to the strongest midcard I've ever seen, TNA, TNA's midcard will beat the hell out of anybody Between. 2000 midcard between 2000,. You know what? Six sided ring era literally beats everybody.
Speaker 1:There's no one better black mochi oh my god, black mochismo. We're talking about Sanjay Dunn. We're talking about freaking abyss you got technically aj was technically mid-card.
Speaker 1:Not really, really, honestly he was upper mid-card that's the thing, a thing about with tna, and this is, you know, I know, attitude era. Everybody had the ability to be top guys but, like tna to me didn't feel like it had a mid-card. Everybody had the ability to be top guys but, like tna to me, didn't feel like it had it mid-card. Everybody had the capability of being the motherfucking guys like everyone, let's talk about it literally, especially black bull cheese.
Speaker 1:My bro, he was red hot, he could have did it. Consequences creed like when he would like. You know, obviously, with that time he he was, he would have to me been like the definition of a mid-car king. Kenny king wasn't around that time. No, he wasn't. No, he wasn't always. I was like kenny king is a great mid-car wrestler. Fucking loved kenny king's work. I remember watching him cut a promo backstage when I was working as a security guard and he was like yo, you mind if I run this by you. And I was like fuck, yes, well, what, what is your problem? And he cut the promo in front of me and I was like yeah, that's right, you did used to work, you.
Speaker 1:You did used to work at tna uh security yeah yeah yeah, yeah, met kurt angle in the bistro, met jeff hardy a couple of times. Uh, matt morgan just a couple of people just backstage in the bistro, because the bistro was right next to the studio, so literally all you had to do was walk across the street and the bistro was right there. Yeah, let's bobby lashley. Actually, bobby lashley, I used to work at the gate and every once in a while he'll come in and I had to interact with him too. So, bobby Lashley, I've had a couple of times even interacting with him.
Speaker 2:That also reminds me, because you work security, you also used to work Halloween Horror Nights. Met Seamus, met Roman.
Speaker 1:Reigns, everybody, you've met everybody. Halloween Horror Nights met Seamus, met Roman Reigns everybody, you've met everybody literally I almost got fired because of James Storm.
Speaker 1:I remember that shit. I almost got fired because of James Storm. I was like man, I want to take a photo with hey man, take a photo with me. Is this a request you are making or is it god? Man, come on, take a photo with me. I was like okay, cool, and almost got fired. He said what was it? This his request? Yes, it was his request. He knew I was a wrestling fan and he says I want you to take a photo with me. So it was like, okay, if he made the request, you're okay.
Speaker 1:Uh, ec3, you know, and not to to get really big on his history with Velveteen, since we kind of briefly talked about it last year, well, not last year, last episode EC3, whenever I met him he was always sauced, always sauced, of course, especially when I had to work M mardi gras and he was. I remember I don't think kennedy said the story, but he did say a couple of times like we would hang out with ec3 and he was always sauced. And I was like I remember, uh, making a space for ec3 and mr kennedy at uh mardi gras and when I tell you that man reeked of the stuff. It was like damn.
Speaker 2:Listen like you don't want to try and it's hard. It's hard to be hearing these things and be like I mean there's two sides to the story. You know what I'm saying. But but, fam, TNA, to me six side ring TNA midcard. You're correct, in my mind there was no midcard. There were, there were, there were jobbers yeah, yeah and then there was and there was the roster. Actually you can't separate them as like midcard jobbers and you know main inventors, there's main inventors, there's main inventors, there's the knockouts and then there's the X Division.
Speaker 1:I think the reason why because there's no mid card, because the X Division technically was the mid card but the X Division was better than the fucking title like heavyweight title. You didn't watch it for the heavyweight title, you watched it for the X Division.
Speaker 2:You hear me though.
Speaker 1:So it's interesting whereas ECW is my thing, tna is your thing.
Speaker 2:Yeah, the only difference is that to my team it's like my TNA is still thing. Yeah, the only difference is that my TNA is still around. However, they're not total, non-stop action. You know what I'm saying. It's not the TNA-able. They're trying really hard, though I have to give it the tna they're. They're really trying to because, like, I feel as if, like they're, they're strong where they're at right now, but there's still that feeling as if they're just they're holding on tightly to nostalgia could have been yeah, because it's like you know, they still have a couple of like your, and I think that also is the piece that kind of hurts, in my opinion.
Speaker 2:kind of hurts them is the fact that, like because tna has gone through so much and whatnot, there's there's this weird void in the middle of TNA history where that void is so deep and strong, where it's like old school TNA, it feels so disconnected to TNA now. Connected to TNA now and I know a lot of that has to do with the fact, like when it made it switch to Impact it really fucked it up.
Speaker 2:And so it was like, but even then, like before they made the switch to Impact, they was in, they was dying, they was in this downward spiral and dying for a very long time. And then it was like because, like I know, for me, I know I was watching tn8 really, really strong for a hot minute, and then there was a certain point where it was like it was just getting stupid. It was just, it just wasn't good anymore.
Speaker 1:It's getting stupid. It's crazy.
Speaker 2:For real, though, I think which now, because this way I know I'd be able to pinpoint it, but when the Aces and Eights storyline was going on, that was when TNA was really falling off for me, when Bubba Ray Dudley was dating Brooke Hogan you might hate me for this I enjoyed Aces and Eights. I liked Aces and Eights in the beginning, but it was like.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's where I was down.
Speaker 2:Listen, aces and and eights to me did the nwo thing, where it started out really good, it was really fun, it was really nice, but then all these people started joining and then it just kind of felt like we're just dragging it along and then and then, like I said, then the whole like love story between brooke hogan and bubba ray and all this other stuff, and it was like, and it did that thing where it was, like it was drowning out to me. Maybe someone else might think differently, but to me the whole aces and eights bullshit was like drowning out the rest of the TNA locker room stuff.
Speaker 2:So, like people weren't like where it was one of those situations where, like how it was for the ruthless aggression era, like we got all of this good talent, all of these good mid-card people that can easily get pushed up into the main event area. But the problem is the main event area is being gatekept and nobody's letting any new niggas in there. It's being gatekept by all these old heads that are currently up in there and they're not, and they're every time someone's like hey, can I get in this main event? Access denied, go sit down. That's why AJ left.
Speaker 1:I mean, that's kind of one of the reasons why, in general, like TNA was like, oh, you got fired from WWE, come on, yeah, come to. Tna was like, oh, you got fired from WWE, come on.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah, come to TNA. We'll pay you a whole bunch of money to fuck around and hang around the top area and push all the TNA talent down, because who was all in Aces and Nates?
Speaker 1:It was Bully. It was D it was bully. It was devon. It was uh, uh, briscoe. Um, air bischoff's son, he was in there. Uh, some new people in there. I know luke gallows was in there. Uh, some blonde dude, I can't remember his name, but he was a new talent. And um, mr anderson got in at one point. Taz was in it. That's all I can think of right now. Devon Dudley, not Devon Dudley. D'lo Brown, d'lo Brown. D'lo Brown, d'lo Brown.
Speaker 2:Oh, D'Lo Brown wasn't there.
Speaker 2:I can barely remember D'LoBron being a part of that he was like almost at the end-ish cause, I know, I remember like there was a moment where it was like the leader of aces and eights. No one knew who it was and then, like it turned out, it was I'm pretty certain. Like didn't it turn out that the leader was well, no, cause like there was someone else who was like above Bully it was, I'm pretty certain like didn't it turn out that the leader was was uh, well no, because like there was someone else who was like above Bully, ray, and that person turned out to be, didn't that person turn out to be D-Von?
Speaker 1:Like no D-Von was the D-Von was the person running it until Bully whenever he turned okay. So remember when he was trying to get with Brooke Hogan right and then he had the cage matches. When he finally revealed he was the leader of aces and eights and Devon was his soldier, who was like yo, you're going to say you're the leader right now until I actually reveal myself as a leader.
Speaker 2:Okay, yeah, that's that's how I was remembering, yeah, so like yeah, no, it's like because it was during this time, because I just I typed in a quick picture. I'm like, ah, the tna heavyweight title was everything to be bro oh, that bill.
Speaker 1:It looks like the big goal for you.
Speaker 2:That's why I to this day, I still I don't want, I need, if I, as well as things like I I purposely don't look for it, like I actually once upon a time, like I found it online and I like favorited it and every once in a while I would click on that favorite link to see, like, do they still have that belt there?
Speaker 2:I haven't tried it in a long time Because my finances are just a little bit more stable. If I click on it and I find out that they still have that belt there, my finances are going to become unstable Because I'm by that fucking belt.
Speaker 1:There are a couple of belts that are like that. For me, like the Gift of the Gods. Title.
Speaker 2:The Gift of the God. Is that a that's?
Speaker 1:a Lucha underground.
Speaker 2:Okay, that's right.
Speaker 1:Where they had to put the seven, the seven medallion pieces on it. That bitch, that bitch is cold blooded bro, that's just cold blooded. The, the new Japan heavyweight title, the before it became a toy um if I'm not mistaken.
Speaker 1:I think antonio has yeah, he has that one. That's why, when I went over that time to hang out with you guys, he was like you'd appreciate this and I was like, oh, you, okay, you mother, you mother, my god, of course I want this belt. I, I need this belt, and you got it. If we could retake that photo of us all with our belts, my belt, it would be between the ECW heavyweight title, not the one from WWE, the original one. It'd be between that one or the New Japan one.
Speaker 2:What did the original ECCD title look like?
Speaker 1:It was black and red. I'm gonna look that bitch up.
Speaker 2:I'm bad because I typed that in and it's like all it's giving me is the WWE version.
Speaker 1:Is the.
Speaker 2:ECW title. Is it the one that has like the? It says it's got the ECW at the top and it's got like the red letters and stuff like that. Yeah, okay, that's still the original ECW title.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:I remember they first brought that in. Yeah for Rob Van Dam like they had that belt there because Kane won that belt when it looked like that still and so, and then they, they eventually changed it, which personally I kind of and this is maybe it's just because I don't have a strong attachment to ECW, but I didn't mind the ECW belt that WWE made the silver.
Speaker 1:It's not a bad belt, it's just it's not a good one. Yeah, it's like taking. Okay, how did you feel when the Blue Eagle was switched to the Undisputed title? How did you feel looking at that belt? Because I hate the Undisputed title, I hate that belt, I hate how it looks. I hate that belt.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's not my favorite yeah, it's not my favorite.
Speaker 1:Yeah, like, from going from the book the blue eagle to the undisputed title, I hated that belt and, if I'm not mistaken, before it was hold on.
Speaker 2:Was it because before it was like the, the blue eagle, it was like the, the the, instead of like the fancy one it was. It was still the round blue eagle, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And even then I still preferred that over the Undisputed title. The Undisputed title literally had to grow on me.
Speaker 1:It never grew on me. To me it's the Brock Lesnar belt. I don't care what anybody says, it's the Brock Lesnar belt. That's the only person that I can connect that belt to, and not to say like Eddie Guerrero winning it and everybody else. It's just. The only person I can remember with that belt is Brock Lesnar. Primarily Brock Lesnar. Yes, because it's the only person that if it was being worn by somebody, it looked good on Brock.
Speaker 2:I mean I hated it on Brock. I mean I hated it on Brock back then, but honestly I still don't care the fact that Brock Lesnar had that belt for so fucking long.
Speaker 1:You know why I also hated it? Because the SmackDown Shut your Mouth, the way it looked on that game was gross. It looked like a damn toy the way they made their belts back in that day and smack down here uh, shut your mouth, and not here comes the pain, because here comes the pain. I think it was the big gold and the uh spinner belt at that time, wasn't it? No, he was still the title, he was still the undisputed title.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and the spinner belt was the US title belt. Which that was a solid belt To this day still want the spinner belt, us title belt, of course.
Speaker 1:I remember when he first got that belt and he did that skit with the shorty, he was like can we touch it?
Speaker 2:And I was like, bro, I saw that skit not too long ago and I'm just like bro, I saw that not too long ago and I'm just like wow, we did that back then.
Speaker 1:Look at the belt on the game. It looked like booty. It looked booty.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it did not look up to it, definitely did not look up to par for how not look up to the up to par for, like how good it was meant to be, kind of saying cause, like, honestly, it's because of that the reason why I became such a big gold kind of guy is like and of course, my kid brain at the time. Even now, I was like why would I want to be the WWE brain? At the time, and even now I was like why would I want to be the WWE champion when I can be the champion of the world?
Speaker 1:I see where your brain is going.
Speaker 2:Or was I missing something?
Speaker 1:No, I see where your brain is going. I see what you're cooking. I see what you're cooking.
Speaker 2:And so I'm just like and of course, at the time, like because Triple H held the belt, god, triple H looked good with the big gold.
Speaker 1:I literally put it in the video that I made. So you saw that I did it on purpose, because, yeah, it really looks good on Triple H.
Speaker 2:Listen, I don't give a damn what Lord Zay says here. Damn title Bitch. Oh man, I can't.
Speaker 1:I know you was mad. You was mad about that shit.
Speaker 2:I absolutely cannot stand, lord Zayn, with this here. Damn bullshit fucking. How dare you talk down about my big goal?
Speaker 1:And look, and that right now is Jey Uso here, damn.
Speaker 2:Wow, you know, that's why Damien Priest ain't got shit. I'm sorry, yeah, no.
Speaker 1:I mean no, I mean cause we had. It was a here, damn too let me calm down.
Speaker 2:He did too. I ain't gonna lie that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 1:It was a here damn cause.
Speaker 2:That title reign was not rememberable, but okay, but just in case, just in case, cause we did have that. What happened with that weird cut? Like, could you still hear me when we had that weird dip out? I can still hear you, yeah, okay. Now I have to see how this comes in.
Speaker 1:No, there's a point where you pause in the scene. You're like, and you're talking for a good minute.
Speaker 2:It's hilarious this is gonna be one of those interesting episodes, but but, as you said, my final comments on, like the mid cards, like in between, from the ruthless aggression and then I will also even say like that, the PG era kind of stuff there were. Just there was guys that were in the midcard that, like number one, they was giving the most ass gimmicks and then they did not get their time to shine, kind of thing. They did not get their time to shine kind of thing, or they was giving really bad gimmicks and not given a time, given the chance to like make it actually work, like freaking Cause. People who was also in that car, like remember Jimmy Wang, yeah, Remember that guy man.
Speaker 1:Look man, as dumb as that gimmick was bro he was getting love. He was getting. He was getting love fucking. It was just a. I hated that shit cause he did it like the right way, but it was just that shit eating like.
Speaker 2:I hated it A-Train, remember Tensai yes, tensai.
Speaker 1:Tensai was supposed to go over.
Speaker 2:He was supposed to be big and you know what happened, john Cena the shovel was real and he became a. He became a funkasaurus, the partner to the funkasaurus. I feel like at that time at his age, weren't they called tons of fun?
Speaker 1:oh no, don't remind me, don't, and we go, we go, we go in this off the right way. When it comes to these pick, when it comes to our mid card, you say tna, ruthless aggression, but tna, overall six-sided ring era is your era. For me it's a mix between Lucha Underground's midcard, where you had Killshot, you had, you know, king, king Cuerno, which is Santo Escobar, yeah, and whenever he came and I was like why do I see this tattoo? Is that him? So yeah, and I was like why, why do I see this tattoo? Is that Him? So yeah, and Even though Miriam went there, he was A mid card.
Speaker 1:At one point you had Monting him off. You had Willie Mac oh my god, willie Mac doing the Stunner. Bro, he, his Finisher, is the stunner. He's one of the only other people that he hits that bitch. He hits right. Um, who else we had? Um, uh, b b was also a good he. I always thought he was jtg because he used to always wear a do-rag to the ring, but it wasn't him. Come to find out. There's so many people in that midcard for Lucha Underground that I enjoyed. And then, obviously, attitude Era for me is always going to be a great midcard. So those were my two eras of midcard. If I'm going to, if I'm going to be seen, I feel, the Attitude Era midcard.
Speaker 2:there's a part of me that feels that the Attitude Era midcard is slightly overrated, only slightly.
Speaker 1:I can understand that.
Speaker 2:And it's only just because the Attitude Era midcard was cool because of the gimmicks that the wrestlers had, literally Now, whether or not the wrestlers that was given these particular gimmicks in that midcard were actually fucking good, nah, not the case. Different story, not the case.
Speaker 1:And that's me forcefully taking the rose colored glasses off, which is why, as much as a cool gimmick and theme, he was not that great of a wrestler. The godfather. His matches were never that spectacle. He was really there for. The hoes um crash were never that spectacle. It was really. He was really there for the hoes um crash. Bob hosney, hardcore holly, was a good mid card to me, but not somebody memorable enough too cool was a very good mid card tag team. You couldn't help but love them when they go out there. There's so many people that's like that.
Speaker 2:And Listen, like freaking Mark Romero when he had Sable we all know how that went, mark Romero got pushed to the side and was like hey, hey, mark Romero, move out the way. Sable, you know like it's so People like him. The British Bulldog no one give a fuck about the British Bulldog like he did have that bomb ass theme song there.
Speaker 1:That shit went hard.
Speaker 2:I mean now Grant, yeah, his Attitude Era theme song did go hard.
Speaker 1:Big.
Speaker 2:Boss man is another one of those people where now, big Boss man, he actually benefited from the Attitude Era and Big Boss man he's mid-card, but he was a main event jobber.
Speaker 1:Yes, because he would job to Austin so many times.
Speaker 2:Listen, he was the one he fought all of the big, important people and never won, but he still looked good enough. Where, when, like, you know how we can point case, you know how we're complaining about how Gunther lost his match, yeah, and then how we're actually complaining about how he won his match, yeah, which is kind of funny when you say that, like, why complain about how he won? Because of who he fought Big Boss man, you never complain about him losing and, even more so, you never necessarily complain about him winning.
Speaker 1:No, you just hate him as a character.
Speaker 2:You just Exactly, you just hated him because he was a shit-eating heel and he was Vince McMahon was paying him Because he was feeding off of Vince McMahon's pockets, he was one of his hitmen. And so I was like, yes, yes, gunther, do better. Goddammit.
Speaker 1:But as don't they do better, god damn it. But I would love to hear from our audience in the comment section whether, if you're watching the pod on all streaming platforms by the way, outside of just YouTube, we are all streaming platforms. But if you wanted to comment, what is your favorite mid car from any promotion, any era, any time, what is your mid car? And give us some of those, any era, any time, what is your mid-car? And give us some of those people, explain why. We would love to hear it, especially even bringing them up in the next episodes. We'd love to hear get your guys' comments and kind of incorporate them in the episodes in some way, shape or form.
Speaker 1:We love hearing from our audience. We love being able to, if not, chat with our audience and their opinions on wrestling too. We it's not just us here, it's you guys too. We are a community, we're everything. So we definitely appreciate y'all and thank you. Also, if you've been watching this video to its completion, make sure you like hit the subscribe button and tune into our next episodes, where we're gonna go over top 10 commentators. Man, I'm going to have a difficult time sitting down and having to go back to watch matches and finding my commentator, because now that you bring certain people up, gorilla Monsoon, I remember somebody said Vince McMahon was their favorite commentator of all time.
Speaker 2:That's fair. I mean, look what was this song was actually just talk about how I was like you know the whole when came first made his debut and everything's gotta be okay man. Yeah, yeah, we know. Yeah, like say what you want about his sex life. But like, sex life and personal life aside, you gotta give this McMahon his credit and some of his dues.
Speaker 1:As a person who innovated the industry yeah, absolutely Taking the R away from the person yes.
Speaker 2:That just made me think of something. Don't want to. I'm not gonna say I'm not gonna say it on the pod, but it just you say. That just made me think of like a thing that I had in my mind about the whole vince or man situation.
Speaker 1:But I'll tell you when we're done here, but okay well, do you have any Outside of everything from the episode? Guys, like I said before, thank you so much for hanging out with us. This is another episode of the Big Brothers of Destruction podcast, as where there is the ring, there is smoke, and we will always leave destruction. It's the Masako.
Speaker 2:It's your boy. Sw Swag Switcher in the building signing off no-transcript.