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Cashing out and Selling
What happened to the days when a finishing move actually finished a match? Wrestling fans have witnessed a dramatic shift in how performers sell impact, and it's fundamentally changing the viewing experience.
The Big Brothers of Destruction dive deep into wrestling's lost art of selling. From John Cena's five consecutive Attitude Adjustments failing to end matches to Jon Moxley absorbing unimaginable punishment only to pop up moments later unfazed, the hosts break down how this diminishes the storytelling that makes wrestling compelling.
Money in the Bank 2024 exemplifies these problems – a predictable show where Seth Rollins stood as the only legitimate main-eventer in the men's ladder match. R-Truth's surprising "release" and return created a rare genuine moment of surprise, while Becky Lynch capturing the Intercontinental Championship raises questions about title prestige and building new stars. Meanwhile, the women's division appears headed toward a predictable path with Naomi's briefcase win likely setting up a future confrontation with Jade Cargill.
The conversation extends into fascinating territory comparing TKO/WWE's talent acquisition strategy to WCW's approach of plucking established stars, while AEW struggles with marathon shows that fail to advance storytelling. The hosts also celebrate TNA's milestone 60th Monsters Ball match, a brutal stipulation historically dominated by Abyss.
What's the solution to wrestling's selling crisis? Can the industry return to making each move matter? Join us as we examine what might save wrestling psychology before finishers become just another move in a wrestler's arsenal.
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welcome everyone to another episode of the big brothers of destruction podcast. Guys, it's your whoa. Excuse me, excuse me, I almost did it. It's the masako it's your boy.
Speaker 1:Swag switch in the building here and boy do we have a crazy week of wrestling to talk about. But before we kind of get into all that, I just want to give you guys the idea of the topic. Today episode is cashing out and selling. See, swag switcher at the last episode wanted to kind of bring up a topic of selling and wrestling and how selling is not as important as it used to be anymore and the frustrations behind it. But also, since it kind of feeds onto the catching or the money in the bank stipulation, that was also part of it as well. So it's kind of that nice little balance you got cash and out, you got selling. So as we kind of look into the crazy wild week of wrestling, let's kind of get into it real quick. Let's talk about money in the bank. Okay, money in the bank, man swag, what were your thoughts about it? Give it to me pause.
Speaker 2:So so, okay, so real quick, because I do want to get into the Money in the Bank, because Money in the Bank, for all intents and purposes, is the main thing that all the shows have been leading up to, not including TNA, not TNA, not including NXT. However, nxt was its own can of worms and.
Speaker 2:TNA as well. Like I messed up and I did not watch their pay per view, so I can't give you the deets on that. So I actually I have no idea what has happened with the pay per view yet because Elijah slash Elias, uh was supposed to be fighting Swerve for the title and because I guess I'm the only person that watches TNA literally no one has informed me and I also have not been looking at the social medias to see who has won that. So literally, after this podcast, I'm probably going to actually watch that pay-per-view, because I think that pay-per-view was probably better than what Money?
Speaker 2:in the Bank was no, it was Friday.
Speaker 1:I thought it was the last week. I remember there was a pay-per-view that happened not too long ago, but before the one that happened on Friday.
Speaker 2:Wow, so they did. Listen, happened not too long ago, but before the one that happened on Friday. But wow, you also said it was. Oh listen, tna and NXT. This week took the cake for me as far as keeping me interested in anything that's been going on in wrestling, because all I'm going to say about AEW is that they dropped the ball this week and it was boring as fuck.
Speaker 1:AEW was boring as it was four hours long, yeah bro, listen four hours long.
Speaker 2:There is so many things they could have done in four hours to progress. You realize their WrestleMania is next month.
Speaker 1:Oh no, we, we totally know, I totally get it.
Speaker 2:I'm not saying WrestleMania is next month and what they do their first four hour special have a bunch of good, good but meaningless matches Toni Storm trying to kiss old girl in the ring, Mercedes out there eating this dry-ass steak that she actually never took a bite of, Like it was four hours that I'm not going to get back.
Speaker 1:Waste of time.
Speaker 2:Luckily for me, while that four hours was happening on, like the last two and a half hours, I started streaming.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah, I did notice you were streaming for the last two recent streams and stuff.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I'm trying to get back into the streaming thing again. I miss doing it and I really like it. So, for those who are watching, go to Twitch Swag Switcher is the name, and I be playing different games. Currently I'm playing the game Kenshi Little plug there, but it's like so that's all. I'm not even going to dwell on AEW. They didn't earn it this week. So with this to start at the top, r-truth okay, the world. This week I have never seen such a and I don't think anyone has ever seen such an outcry for a wrestler than they have for our truth, this week. You would have thought the man died literally, though literally it was like you would have thought our truth passed away.
Speaker 2:Like I scroll on instagram and like, will you remember wings of an angel? Like I'm like what is happening? What is? What are these ovos right now for our truth?
Speaker 1:it's, it was real bad.
Speaker 2:It's real bad. I'm listen you our truth being released and there's a reason why I'm throwing the quotations on it R-Truth being released this week. Actually, no, it was, was it this week?
Speaker 1:It was, yeah, it was literally, it was last Sunday. Yeah, last Sunday. Yeah, it was last Sunday.
Speaker 2:So it was like R-Truth being released last Sunday, right, it almost felt like when CM Punk got fired and released, where there's things happening in the middle of the women's match. We want R-Truth.
Speaker 1:CM Punk, cm Punk.
Speaker 2:Yeah, literally. Cm Punk came out to the ring, was giving a promo and he got R-Truth instead, which is crazy. Okay, absolute bonkers, all right. And then fast forward to the pay-per-view and probably one of the very, very few cool things about Money in the bank R-Truth coming out there and interfering, costing John Cena and them the match in a very spectacular way, and I'm hearing and I'm seeing buzz around the internet saying that, like him coming back, he has changed his name from R-Truth to Ron.
Speaker 1:Killings and so.
Speaker 2:I'm just like, hmm, but like, the only thing that did kind of take me out of it a little bit was at the press conference when someone asked that question about like hey, so like, was this a work? And I'm just all like, come on, guys, just let it, let it be like, no, they will not, I don't, I like, I don't want to think about whether if it's a work or not, like, because it was actually a very pleasant surprise. And, of course, triple h, he was just like did we entertain you? Did we like are you along for the ride? Okay, then I was just like Tripp, don't do that.
Speaker 2:Don't do that, bro. No, let me be that kid again. Let me just see this for the face value of what it is.
Speaker 1:Did we entertain?
Speaker 2:but let me see it for the face value of what it is. However, looking at it from the face value, that was kind of crazy. No, when it happened I'm watching the show.
Speaker 1:I'm watching the show with my wife and you know she's laying up on me, she's on her phone, not even paying any mind, you know. And so I remember I saw somebody in the audience come out and tackle truth. So I was like who the fuck is that? And I was like no, there yo, it's truth. What the.
Speaker 2:By the way, I just want, like your wife, hearing and seeing her reactions to wrestling is so pure. Yes, it's so pure because, unlike us, she has not been muddied and de-cleaned of the magic that is wrestling. We know how to put the goggles on and be all like all right, let's watch this because this is all real. But at the back of our minds, we also know that it's a work when watching them see it and their reactions is like their reactions are so pure, almost as if they're watching it as it is real kind of thing. It's just like this is cause one of the clips that you sent me. I don't know what was going on, but I could hear your wife in the background like popping over something that was happening.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, we were talking about something that was going on during the pay review and yes, oh it was Lyra, it was Lyra, it was the Lyra match, because you're really going in.
Speaker 2:I was all like and so, since we brought that out, talking about the pay-per-view here, number one, I know how you feel about it, but I hate it. I. I did not. I don't need Becky Lynch with the Intercontinental title, I can understand.
Speaker 1:I understand where you're coming from. I understand it. My issue was it was like okay if they would have gave Becky maybe a couple of wins every once in a while, like the first one she lost, the second one maybe she won by technicality, like a false finish or something like that, and then the last one for the title was the one that solidified and ended. I would have been okay with Valkyrie winning, but I was like three wins straight, technically clean but not really clean, like it just really diminishes to me her character, and so I was just like how?
Speaker 2:Becky Lynch is at a level where she can't be diminished Like she don't need it, like it's hindsight 2020. No, you're right, she doesn't need it. Like in hindsight, she doesn't need the belt.
Speaker 1:No, you're right, she doesn't need the belt. I just felt like she at least needed the win.
Speaker 2:Like I still beg to differ, in the sense where I'm just like, especially with the fact of like us trying to build Lyra right now. Now, once again, when I put the Heinz, oh, my little message stick, when I put my promoter glasses on and take my heart out of it, it's like I guess it does business, because now that she has the title, now Lyra has to chase her for it and you know, babyface chase for the bell, blah, blah, blah, all this other stuff. I'm like, okay, sure, but because I also know where this is probably going to go, because Lyra well, see, that's the thing and this also goes into it there is no need for a rubber match. You're pretty familiar with fighting games, yeah, and when you're playing with the normal settings kind of thing not so much the tournament settings, but when you're playing normal settings, if you win two matches in a row, that's it, you're done.
Speaker 2:Hell, sometimes, if you change the settings a little bit, you win two matches, because I know sometimes they have the you have to win three times or whatever, but it's like she's won twice. So she's really already beaten Becky Lynch. Okay, like their squabble is done, but now Becky Lynch has gotten this one up on her, but it doesn't make Becky Lynch better than her right now, because Becky Lynch still lost twice as opposed to now getting this one. But I'm just like I she doesn't need it twice as opposed to now getting this one, I'm just like.
Speaker 1:She doesn't need it.
Speaker 2:I don't need her with this belt. It's not like you're going to, they're not going to. I don't think Becky Lynch, having the belt does anything for the title. It does as we're saying. Becky Lynch doesn't need it because it'd be like if Roman Reigns came back and decided to become the United States champion.
Speaker 1:Yeah, why that is completely valid. That is absolutely valid Because when you put in that sense of like you've technically already have won multiple heavyweight championships, like you doing, this doesn't make sense, like it doesn't validate what you're trying to do.
Speaker 2:But, alas, that's actually kind of a funny pun, because Becky Lynch used to be the last kicker. But um, but uh, but yeah, I, I'm just, I'm just upset, I'm butthurt, I guess, because screw Becky, I don't care screw Becky is crazy that's crazy.
Speaker 1:I said I wouldn't say screw her. I mean I just I again I didn't feel like she needed the title, but I feel like what they're trying to do is still elevate Valkyria, because they're already saying that she's going to get another match with her against her from the outcome of the match and they're going to next pay-per-view, go against her for the title again and then Becky will lose, giving Valkyria a new reign and it's kind of like refreshing her with the belt.
Speaker 2:Somebody said maybe but there's a part of me that feels that what's going to end up happening because what you said is what I wish would happen what I think is going to happen is becky lynch is going to have this belt and then valkyria is going to fight and she's going to lose again for the title. And when she loses again for the title, she's going to go to the back of the line and and then becky lynch is just gonna have the title and she's going to do the thing that all the title holders are doing nowadays, because that's just because that's like the famous thing to do, which is, you know, it's like we, once you become a champion, it's like you become a part-time.
Speaker 1:A champion, yeah, you become a champion it's like you become a part-timer or something. A champion you become a champion. You don't show up every week with the title. That's literally why they had to make two belts.
Speaker 2:But even then, it's like everyone's a part-timer right now. Let me talk about this whole thing with the belts and everything. I just want you to take a look at money in the bank. Okay, yeah, and how? To me, I feel, money in a bank was trash, which is actually the reason why I have not actually actively watched it. So I, me, and my roommate who is also a wrestler, ray zion, we had a conversation talking about Money in the Bank and there were just and just pointing out some of the points about Money in the Bank. Notice how, in Money in the Bank number one, there were, aside from that, intercontinental title match, and I think didn't they make another Intercontinental title match?
Speaker 2:Yeah, they made both Intercontinental titles they just threw Dom in there at the last minute because they realized that money and bank was only four matches yeah.
Speaker 1:No, they threw that in there because of the connection to world. I see why they did it. It's so that way people have to go back and watch worlds collide and see what was the confrontation that made him say like yo, I need to have this match because some people didn't know about Worlds Collide, some people don't care about Worlds Collide. Those are those Like, if you notice, when you watch Worlds Collide, a lot of everything was in Spanish, as it should have been. Like the ring announcer spoke only in Spanish and it would translate in English what they were saying. So when they would announce somebody who is an American, they'll say everything in Spanish and then you will obviously identify. They say something like Canadian, american, et cetera, but they did everything in Spanish. Promos were cut in Spanish, except what's this faction? El Fantasmo? They spoke it in English but they finished it in Spanish. So it's like they try to keep it as rooted to as much Mexican luchador as possible.
Speaker 2:I mean because it is also the promotion.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so to have Dom on there. He was in the crowd, he had the situation Octagon, which confused me for a second Cause it's literally Pentagon's mask. It's literally and and so I was like, does Pentagon have a son? Cause I know he has a daughter who he's wrestled with before and I'm like, is this a son? And no, this is octagon. Okay, and I know there's obviously an octagon.
Speaker 2:Okay, and I know there's obviously an octagon. I remember seeing octagon, pentagon and hectagon junior.
Speaker 1:Uh yeah, they have a whole yeah, they have a whole thing penta octa hector, yeah, like wow, yeah, they have a whole thing, the whole thing. The whole reason why penta even uses zero fear is because the curse of pentagon um, which I don't know if you've seen that in the things they were trying to tell about his story or whatever. But uh, there was literally a curse. They would.
Speaker 1:They would kind of say on the pentagon character that I think the last one died right or something bad really happened to him. And then he took the mantle of junior and they were like, oh, bad things are supposed to happen to this guy because he took the mantle of junior. And they were like, oh, bad things are supposed to happen to this guy because he's a heel, he's evil, whatever. So he put up the zero fears because when he started going out into different territories, different lands, they were like, look, bad things are gonna happen to you. He says I don't give a fuck, I'm gonna do it with zero fear, and that's where the moniker zero fear came from. But that's besides the point. Going back into everything else, that's what I feel like they put that in there for Dom to go out there and do what he did, and so that way people can have eyes on World's End now and be like yo if they didn't watch it now, if you want to figure out why that happened.
Speaker 2:you go back to see it, okay, which that's fair, but I mean they also had that tie-in because of Stephanie Fuck here.
Speaker 1:Yeah, she had three matches, that fucking weekend.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so she was pulling triple duty Triple time yeah. Which I think Penta actually was pulling double duty he pulled double too, yeah. Not.
Speaker 1:Phoenix he only had one match.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and so it was like, but like when I look at money in the bank, like before I watched it and the reasons why I didn't watch it is because I had a conversation once again with the you know, my rent, my roommate wrestler, and we was kind of sort of like giving our as we call our disc at Lariat when it comes to how this pay-per-view was going to work out. Now I originally was all like give the money in the bank to Stephanie and then as soon as she gets it, she cashes that bitch in like ASAP type thing. But the reason but that that couldn't happen because there was no woman's title matches at all there was nothing.
Speaker 1:and then I even said that too because, uh, um, excuse me, paul, paul, I quit calling hunter. All the time paul avek was even like yo, um, I don't like having two briefcases going on right now, I don't like having so, for the last couple of me always had somebody cash in one of them at the pay-per-view to only minimize the amount of storyline he has to build for both briefcases. So he was like okay, cool, eliminate one and we can just generally focus on the briefcase hunt for the next person. Right, so you have no women's match. You're not going to cash in on cena, you're not doing it.
Speaker 2:Yeah, there's that pit too. So it's like even if we wanted to have someone cash in tonight, how there was, because there was no woman's match to possibly tease a cash in. And then it was like the main event match was so stacked and all this other stuff where it's it's a tag team, with one tag team being the heavyweight champion, the other tag team being the WWE champion, and I was like, as soon as that match got called, I was like I don't care, I don't care about this match. And then to kind of branch off from that particular bit. Not only did I not care about this match, and then to kind of branch off from that particular bit. Not only did I not care about that match, but it's not like they did a good job of promoting it this week either. Nope, freaking. What was it the um going back to when Cody Rhodes and Jey Uso when they had that standoff between John Cena and Logan Paul?
Speaker 2:I needed that but it was squandered and spoiled because Jey Uso can't cut a promo like I've lost all hope in his promo scheme at this point.
Speaker 1:I do like that shit. I ain't gonna lie. I do like that shit.
Speaker 2:But which is dope. He has a dope ending but he doesn't say anything to lead up to it, to make it worthwhile absolutely not. He just goes out there, has a dope ending, but he doesn't say anything to lead up to it, to make it worthwhile Absolutely not. He just goes out there running back so we can yeet some more, to take up some more of the talking time. And then he goes out there and he's just like you know, I'm the champ. Y'all should you know. I'm tired of being talked down to, you know.
Speaker 1:It makes me wonder if Jimmy would have did better.
Speaker 2:Yes, yes, he would have. It should have been him. Jimmy is the better twin, god damn it. The only reason why Jimmy is where he's at right now Listen Bro, look at the past stuff, all right. Reason why Jimmy is where he's at right now Listen bro, look at the past stuff, alright, look back when they was doing the Uso penitentiary.
Speaker 1:Who was on the mic?
Speaker 2:talking Big Jim. Big Jim, and you know what he did After he got done talking his stuff. He would pass it to his brother and you know what his brother would say. And remember, it's not paranoia. When them hands are staying on the back of your neck, it's the Usos. That's his line. If Big Jim is the road dog, jay is Billy Gunn when he says and if we're not down with that.
Speaker 2:We got two words for you. That that's all. That is all billy's gonna have to do. Big jim is the ladies and gentlemen, boys and girls, two of all ages, you know, he, he does all the hard stuff. And the other one says the catchphrase that's how it's always been. And now that they're alone, jimmy, big J, I should say Big J. He's suffering because which is another thing to get into here Big J is suffering because he's, he's in his position where there's nothing for him to do. No, they said, they said on commentary how he's like, you know, he's like kind of squandering, trying to trying to figure out his place and everything. And it's like, yes, he's squandering, trying to figure out his place and everything because there's no place for him, like, which is another reason why the money in the bank was so predictable. Let's, I will break it down here. We'll start with the guys, since we're talking about the boys right now yep you saw the.
Speaker 2:You remember the lineup for the men's money in the bank yes you want me to say it? No, no, you don't have to.
Speaker 1:Okay, but like andrade, yep, hell, no, absolutely not. Yeah, no, it's funny, russell talk even did that they would talk about like every wrestler, like okay, penta, he's rising and this isn't that. And then and then then he was like and then Andrade, no, in all seriousness, andrade is a great wrestler.
Speaker 2:He's a great wrestler, but when you look at the long term of everything right Especially with where I was looking at it Because you know Grant they can cash in on either brand. But when you look at who are the champions On Smackdown and Raw, and then you look at the people who are in the money in the bank, Like Andrade, does not have enough star power to even breathe the same air that John Cena breathed.
Speaker 1:God damn.
Speaker 2:And for him to think about going for the world title. Seeing him in the world title picture is completely unheard of because there is so much story and so much shenanigans going on in that world title picture there's. There's no way for him to crack into that penta. He's got too much el grande americano problems and he has his own story.
Speaker 1:That's going on and he has not made the cross into main eventer just yet, and so and that's the thing that's pissing me off too, because, like a lot of pentagon or penta's career is when he's put in a match where a world title or something of that caliber is in it. The thing that wrestling bookers always try to put in perspective is when you put the belt on somebody, it's supposed to elevate them, or they elevate the belt in some way, shape or form.
Speaker 2:Penta is over so much he doesn't need it, so they never justify putting a belt on him in any scenario because he doesn't need it but see, even then, right, so like, sure you can say he's over, and the fact that, like he's so over that he does not need a belt. But then there's also because, like, but then because then that also would end up when he gets a belt. You almost get a slight situation of what we're having with Jay.
Speaker 1:Oh no, I agree. But here's the thing. Pitta has been world champion in multiple promotions. It's no biggie for him. My thing is more so anytime I see him in a match that involves a stipulation where he either wins the title or he gets a stipulation to win the title. They always put him in a position where OK, no, actually it makes sense for this person to win, like going into the match the only person that could have won with Seth, it was literally the only person LA Knight, as much as he has a hot buzz right now. Now they're not putting it on him because they've already done it and he didn't win the title. So it's like you've done it already.
Speaker 2:one time he hasn't got, he hasn't gotten the money.
Speaker 1:I think it's the one he's gotten it before no, that's no, he was no no, no, no, no, no. He was in the other money in the bank. Excuse me, he was in like two of them.
Speaker 2:This was his third one, yeah, there was there was specifically a moment on smackdown where he was talked by and he heard someone in the crowd and he's like what was that? You just said there, third time's charm, and maybe third time is the charm. But and I'm glad that you brought la night up, because the problem with the reason why this money in the Bank to me was so predictable especially for the guys right is because when you look at who was in the match and you think about where they are currently in terms of like there's placement on the card, there was, everybody were mid-carders and Seth Rollins was the only main eventer in that match, the only main eventer, and he's also the only person in that match who actually has a story that's worth a damn to do anything with.
Speaker 1:Also to add, he had his backup, even though what's-his-name had the bloodline. Solo had the bloodline. It only made sense with Seth, but continue.
Speaker 2:Which I will say on SmackDown, I did like when they had the bloodline versus Seth Rollins' future. They had that little standoff.
Speaker 1:Have they named it?
Speaker 2:the future Did they name it the future.
Speaker 1:No, that's just what I'm calling it right now, because, actually, actually, the future would kind of be kind of cold though.
Speaker 2:Well, because, he keeps talking about his future. That's and that's that's why I've just called it seth rollins's future, and so oh, so, so so, sr future.
Speaker 1:I'm just trying to think of it as a faction name, like I just think, if it was just called the future, like that is the faction name.
Speaker 2:I think that would be kind of cool it would be, but and the only and, like I said, the reason why I call is because every time he comes out there he keeps talking about my vision, my future for this industry is that I am the future. That so I'm like. All right, so I'm just going to call seth ron's future to make it easy, just to have them sorry, but like it came from but it's like um, but yeah, it's like seth ross was the only one.
Speaker 2:And it's one of those things where, when you look at the title spots right now, which sucks is the fact that for people like LA Knight, he should have won the Money in the Bank a while ago Facts a while ago, but facts we. But the problem is that every time he should have been a position where he would win the money in the bank, the upper card is so heavily stacked that it it he can't put, he can't stick himself in there. When he the first time that we saw he should win the money in the bank, who was he dealing with? Roman Reigns. There was no way they were going to let him beat Roman Reigns. And as we saw they didn't let him beat Roman Reigns, he got bloodlined out and we're like no, no, no, no, there's no room for you up here in the upper card.
Speaker 2:Stay in mid-card land the second time. Stay in mid-card land the second time around. Mid-card land is crazy. Cody rhodes oh, am I getting a phone call? I'll have to claim that. But um, it's like the second time cody rhodes, right, was champion. There's no room for LA Knight in that. Last year while Cody Rhodes was champion to be in the main event, la Knight has no room. And now this year, think about who the main event players are. Right now, okay, we have Cody Rhodes, john Cena, seth Rollins. In the future, randy Orton, logan Paul.
Speaker 1:I like how you're crediting Logan Paul as a good contender.
Speaker 2:He's not a contender, he is a main eventer. He fills up main event spots. All right, look at it like he is. They push him as a main eventer.
Speaker 2:He fights main event people in upper mid I won't say upper mid guards he fights main eventers and, like I don't know what the turn, I guess I could say like upper, maybe baby baby uh main inventors, baby main inventors maybe semi, I will say semi main inventors, all right, because unfortunately aj styles is a semi main inventor right now he's on his last, he's like on his last run or some shit, yeah yeah, like like sammy zane, he's a semi-main eventer.
Speaker 1:Yeah, goddamn like he could put acid.
Speaker 2:He could put acids and seats, you know oh, and the other person I almost forgot to mention, mostly just because he's not there roman reigns. Yeah, so you see all those names I named out. Where, when and where would LA Knight fit into this Big 6?
Speaker 1:The Big 6 is yeah, that is basically what it is.
Speaker 2:Notice how I didn't say Jey Uso Smackdown 6.
Speaker 1:Smackdown 6. But no, you did not say Jey Uso.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's the new smackdown 6 kind of sorta, but also that's just because smackdown is currently the a show. So you know, smackdown is the raw right now technically. But like you look at all that, it's like la night. There's no room for him. And even if he got the money in the bank, like they're gonna have him cash it on John Cena, la Knight's chance to shine may be able to happen, maybe next year, maybe because by that time John Cena's out of the picture.
Speaker 2:Roman Reigns, I don't know, maybe he won't even be there anymore because they're trying to like shorten his contract and shit, and so oh, oh, if you have not heard, oh, no, I heard about that with all these pay cuts now, of course this is a legend, no, I don't think anyone is like specifically says you know how people be saying but can you imagine being roman reigns and then and they come up to you and be like hey, so you know how we're paying you, like, all of that money? Um, we're gonna like not pay you all that money anymore, but like and we also want you to actually do more after we, not pay you all that money. Is that cool? Basically?
Speaker 2:pay you for your time pretty much, but not really if that is true, it's not going to end well and we might see Lee Aki listen. I was like because I've been saying in the group chat like if it, if that happens, not only is it not going to end well, but we might be seeing Lee Aki being all the Lee.
Speaker 1:Robbie, damn that motherfucker. No, no.
Speaker 2:Listen, bro. We are in an interesting time where history is repeating itself to a certain degree. W Let me try it again. Tko is looking a lot like WCW back in its heyday, alright, while AEW is looking like WWF trying to get their fucking shit straight, because notice how TKO was looking like WWF trying to get their fucking shit straight, because notice how TKO keeps buying their wrestlers, mariah, but she always wanted to go to WWE though.
Speaker 2:Which is true, but like, but it's like one of those things where it's like damn, because notice how they squandered the hell out of that. To think that Mariah Mae was the women's champion this year, mm-hmm. And now she literally had her women's title match. She dropped the belt, and the next time you see her after she drops the belt is an nxt wild, crazy work.
Speaker 1:It is definitely crazy work.
Speaker 2:I ain't gonna lie, ko is. Tko is over here freaking looking at uh, uh, aew, like how wcw was looking at WWE and was like, hey, I'm going to take your Hulk Hogan, I'm going to take your Razor Ramon. Ooh, I'm going to take your Kevin Nash as well, I'm going to take your Rick Roode as well. They're just like plucking these big names out of AEW and adding them to their roster and then making them look amazing. And AEW and adding them to their roster and then making them look amazing. And AEW is blowing their load on fucking boring ass.
Speaker 1:Four hours of of TV time and so it's crazy they want to seem like a competitor but they're not really actually being a competitor. No, they're not really actually being a competitor?
Speaker 2:No, they're not, and the problem is they should start acting like they are. So AEW and WWE constantly say the fact that we're not fighting each other. However, you look at this groundwork and you know AEW's pay-per-view weekend is about to be stomped out by Great American Bash and Saturday Night Main Event and all this other stuff, and it's like it's crazy. However, there's a part of me that feels just like what happened with WCW. They're about to TKO is over here getting way too big for their britches and they're about to start making some terrible and ugly and stupid mistakes, like oh, you mean, they haven't already?
Speaker 2:You right. You right Because, going back into this very predictable pay-per-view when it came to the women's match, it's like, and I'll go ahead and I'll lay down this groundwork, because, I will say Hold on, hold on.
Speaker 1:It was an NXT and Raw Money in the Bank because you noticed three of them were former NXT ladies. But even with that, that, the thing that's really interesting about that um that match is you kind of did go into it thinking that probably stephanie would win, you know, or you know, maybe roxanne, I really I really kind of feel like roxanne have won that, maybe, like Roxanne holding that would have been pretty tight.
Speaker 2:I think Roxanne. I wanted Stephanie Valquier to win. I felt like that would have been better. However, Roxanne for a long run would have been great.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I feel like.
Speaker 2:Oh no, I was about to say going into the conversation I had with Ray.
Speaker 2:Zeon this is what we've predicted for the next three months when it comes to the women's title and wrestling and all this other stuff, and I want to see how close this is going to happen. So what started all this is the fact that the Queen of the Ring is happening. Right, we already know Queen of the Ring is going to come down to Jade Cargill and Charlotte Flair. Now, because of the fact we knew that Queen of the Ring was going to come down to Jade Cargill and Charlotte Flair, it only made sense that Naomi was going to win the money in the bank, because now that puts Naomi directly in the crosshairs of Jade Cargill Mm-hmm, puts naomi directly in the crosshairs of jane cargo.
Speaker 2:Now, now that this has already happened because we said this before, we saw money in the bank, we had this conversation and so it's like that has happened what has now really solidified the fact that I think this is exactly what's going to happen is because in the pre-show, they asked her it's like hey, so like, are you done with jane? And she's like nah, once you, once you start something with me. That shit goes on forever. And it's like okay, so that confirms the fact that she's going to be trying to screw over jade cargill somewhere down in the long run. And so now there are there's three avenues we can go with here. I think it was three. First avenue, which sounds like probably the main one, is the fact that Jade is going to go on and they're going to let her beat Charlotte. Jade is then going to go on to fight the women's champion, and Jade's going to win, and Jade's going to win, and Jade's going to win, and she's going to get cashed in on.
Speaker 1:Yep, that's actually a funny thing. I saw a YouTube video where somebody brought that up. That is the game plan. The game plan is to make her win the tournament, to then fight. Say they say that she's going to go against Tiffany and she's going to go against Tiffany. Say she's going to go against Tiffany and she's going to win, and then, as that happens, cash-in happens.
Speaker 2:Cash-in's going to happen Now. That's the most probable Now. The second option would be the fact where, in that match Jade versus Charlotte Charlotte wins because Naomi screws over Jade, which will reignite and make those two fight each other, while on the back end of that happening, bianca comes back and fights Tiffany for the title and then Bianca beats Tiffany and then Naomi cash-ins there, which would then kind of sort of give more of the backlash of what just recently happened on SmackDown, where Bianca was out there and we find out the fact that, oh, yeah, uh, proceed with caution. She'd be out here just doing home invasions yeah, and it's completely okay.
Speaker 1:We're gonna act like it's just part of storyline we're just.
Speaker 2:We're just gonna like breeze past if I like. You know that's a felony list, but hey, listen, randy orton hasn't been tried for arson yet so I mean, and also hunter in home invasion too.
Speaker 1:So but at least he got arrested for that. You know what he did. He did, he did austin. Did austin get arrested?
Speaker 2:I don't know because he well, I figured it was like yo, he, you had a gun pulled on you.
Speaker 1:I don't, I don't know. I figured it was like yo, you had a gun pulled on you.
Speaker 2:I don't think he did, but Brian Pillman did pull the blicky out on Austin.
Speaker 1:That's what I'm saying. I think the cops would have been like look, he upped it on you and that should have scared you enough. So we're going to let you off with a foul. You could have died tonight.
Speaker 2:You could've died tonight. You could've died now. See, let that have been like Mark Henry or D'Lo Brown who did that. Oh, they putting that nigga under the jail. I'm so dead I'm so dead they let the white man walk.
Speaker 2:I can't, even broski, I can't even so, like that third option is where, like, Jade still wins and beats Charlotte, but then Bianca gets the belt and now there's the Jade versus Bianca situation, and that's when Naomi comes in and fucks everything up. So those are the three avenues I'm looking at. However, that first one, I think, is the most probable and at first I was all like nah, but like, as Ray Z on was telling me, I'm like. And then we started like how I connecting the dots that are already being set up with the whole Charlotte and Jade?
Speaker 1:And Jay having them bump into each other and stuff like that.
Speaker 2:I don't got to watch wrestling for the next three months. I'm dead. I already booked it, it's already been booked. I already know what's going to happen. Booked it, it's already been booked. I already know what's going to happen.
Speaker 1:Nah, it's already been booked.
Speaker 2:Listen, that's where I'm at right now. But at the end of the day, money in the Bank was mid as fuck Money in the Bank. I haven't even watched it, but just from the stuff that has happened and the fact that I was able even watched it but just from the stuff that has happened and the fact that I was able to predict it so heavily barely made it actually. No, I'm not going to give it an E, but it gets a D in my book because there was and notice, you didn't even talk about the Dom match.
Speaker 1:You did, but you didn't because that match didn't.
Speaker 2:But you didn't Because that match didn't matter. It didn't matter, it didn't. You know how much it mattered. It was thrown on there at the absolute last minute Facts Just to make it so that people who paid for this pay-per-view aren't paying for four fucking matches.
Speaker 1:I mean.
Speaker 2:Peacock is $10, but yeah. Listen, there are people who don't want, for whatever reason, just won't get Peacock. Somebody out there spent $60 to watch Money in the Bank for five matches.
Speaker 1:Hey man, look If they don't value their wallet. I guess so.
Speaker 2:What if I told you WWE, don't either.
Speaker 1:I know, because apparently they're going back to Las Vegas again.
Speaker 2:As a matter of fact. Yes, they did actually bring up the they. I don't. I don't remember it being official, but triple H said, yeah, we're going back to Las Vegas. Because of that I'm like, oh, so we really is going back.
Speaker 1:Oh, and they did. They did the cut, they they promoted or whatever. Excuse me. They did the ad showcasing and say oh well, sometimes you do something once, sometimes you gotta do it twice. We're going back to Vegas. Oh, so there was a promo for it. Oh yeah, they openly showed the new logo is WrestleMania. It looks like a carnival or some shit like that. It's going to Vegas, so 42 is in Vegas.
Speaker 2:Yeah and it's oh boy, but to give some props to tna real quick here we go, your, your promotion.
Speaker 1:I love how your promotion's still living and mine is is no longer Both of my promotions.
Speaker 2:What.
Speaker 1:ECW and Lucha Underground. Those were my promotions that I live and breathe.
Speaker 2:That's wild, because that means you got nothing to look forward to. Nope, both of those have been dead for a very long time now, very, very long time. Like, bro, like, try and watch. I'm kidding, don't.
Speaker 1:It was, at one point, new Japan too. Then it became New Japan, and then now New Japan is a shell of what it used to be. I remember I used to start.
Speaker 2:At least maybe give New Japan Japan another try this week because of the fact that AEW was so trash, I was all like, well, let me see what Ring of Honor is doing. Ring of Honor is just Sunday Night Heat, but under the AEW brand, bro the only cool thing. The only cool thing that happened on Ring of Honor this past week was that Persephone and Thunder Rosa went up against Layla Gray and Dulce Tormenta, and because I'm a fan, I do and because I'm a fan, I do, and because I do, I enjoyed that match.
Speaker 2:It was also a good match. Don't get me wrong. All of the matches on Ring of Honor were good matches, but, like Ring of Honor is just Sunday Night Heat behind a paywall, alright but if you gotta pay for it, it's crazy, crazy absolutely crazy.
Speaker 1:GCW does give me a fix. I do love deathmatch wrestling. I love deathmatch wrestling and you know it's funny speaking of deathmatch, know it's funny speaking of death match wrestling, it's. It's such an art form that I enjoy that maybe one of the wrestlers who enjoys that art form so much doesn't know how to sell to you and that's Jon Moxley great. Segue.
Speaker 2:I mean, yeah, and that's Jon Moxley Great segue, I mean, yeah, but before I segue, because I did want to at least get my little bit in about.
Speaker 2:TNA real fast oh yeah, you're right, wasn't too much. But number one Santino Marella, because once again I gotta watch the pay-per-view. Santino Marella has a match on the pay-per-view. Santino Morella, because once again I gotta watch the pay-per-view. Santino Morella has a match on the pay-per-view. Bam Santino promo'd his asshole that night, Talking about how much he cares about T and A and how he's like because he's technically stepping down from his position to have this match and all this other like I mean, listen, I felt what Santino was talking about. I'm like alright, santino, like cause you never hear Santino talk like with such bravado and like freaking passion and be so serious, like serious. Santino was a nice breath of fresh air also, which is crazy to think about. Sirius Santino was a nice breath of fresh air Also, which is crazy to think about, especially with how long TNA's been around. That night on TNA they had their 60th Monsters Ball match. 60th, 60th, crazy, right, what? 60th Monsters Ball.
Speaker 1:That don't make sense.
Speaker 2:I don't even remember that many Monsters Balls going down.
Speaker 1:Hey, I also was like wait, really, that's, that's a lot that is absolutely a lie and I did not know that was the case. So you saying that is is very interesting, as in a uh, promote a promotion. To keep doing that, sorry, go ahead and and the 60th monsters ball match was had by females.
Speaker 2:Uh, zaya brookside versus rosemary, which which I was like okay, I know Rosemary's in that bitch, yep. But I was like for them to have had 60 Monsters Balls. I'm like number one, and I actually, because I never looked it up, but it's like I pulled it up on the Wikipedia here and fam, I'm like damn.
Speaker 1:Abyss.
Speaker 2:Oh, it was literally his match, so like yeah, yeah so just to do a quick go on it real quick, talking about it. Well, let me see, was a month. It was monty brown there was. The first one was monty brown, raven and abyss. Second one was rhino, abyss, sabu and jeff hardy. The third one, samoa. Joe, abyss and rhino, like hold on now I'm checking here, I want to. It looks like the first, the first seven had abyss in them and then, after the first seven, the eighth one I lied abyss was in that too. So let me keep counting, because it was like females, taylor wilde versus daphne, but daphne was with abyss beacon of wish.
Speaker 1:Saw taylor wilde on uh dark side of the ring. She's doing good man.
Speaker 2:She was doing good, it's good I need to catch up on dark side right, they went over daphne and muhammad assad interesting, I didn't know that.
Speaker 1:Yeah season finale was muhammad assan okay, fam, abyss has been it's.
Speaker 2:I want to say like the first 52, I think like the first 52. No, no, no, there's actually one here. Number 47 had Rosemary going up against Jade. So I think the first 46 of them Let me double check here, all right. No, no, no, I'll go up one 45. So I think the first 44 Monster Balls match had the first 44, had Abyss in it and I think the person who has been them the second most is Jeff Hardy yes, which I did not realize Jeff Hardy was in so many of them. But yeah, literally the first 44 of these were with Abyss and most of them Abyss lost.
Speaker 2:But yeah, yeah, 60 Monsters ball matches.
Speaker 2:And it's funny because I'm looking, it's like you can see, and because they've had them, they would have several of them a year, but like that's crazy. But yeah, so that Monsters Ball thing, and also you know how we was talking about, how I guess it was mostly me talking about how I didn't think Trick was really into his character, kind of thing, like he's kind of sort of like. Let me tell you how. Like Elijah, aka Elias, literally in his promo, said those exact words that I said Wait, what do you mean. So elias is fighting him for the title, right, yeah, or is supposed to fight him for at their uh pay-per-view and he was cutting his promo, talking about how, like you know, pretty much he was saying the fact that trick you're fake and lame, like in layman's terms he pretty much like trick you're fake, you're just. You're just trying to put up this front because you're desperate for the attention and all this other stuff. But it was like the things that he said I literally said at the last one like damn.
Speaker 2:I feel so validated you was like hold on hold on a on.
Speaker 1:Elijah was listening to you, bro. He was walking with you, listen.
Speaker 2:I mean, there's no secret, I've always walked with Elias or Elijah.
Speaker 1:Either way. How about his brother? Were you cool with his brother?
Speaker 2:I mean he was all right. Okay, that's cool. However, I do like in that promo he actually like he brought up all of that, like he mentioned it. So he was like whether, if you know me as elijah, elias, or um, I forget what or, or or samson yeah you're e, yeah, ezekiel, yeah, yeah, which, as I'm saying this out loud, I'm, like you know, wonder, because, like all those are very biblical names and I've come to find out that he is an extreme. He is a God fearing man.
Speaker 1:So he's very big. He's big, ok, big man of faith, ok.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah, like I, okay, big man of faith, okay, oh yeah, like, I'm talking like he, literally, even now. Sometimes, if you find his uh tiktok, he'll be. He'll be live with the bible in his hand, talking to everybody and giving the word and all this other stuff. It's funny. I actually had a chance to ask him one on one of his lives and he acknowledged me because I asked I was like, how long have you been? Because I didn't know he was super religious, like that.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and he told me the fact that at this point, this would have been 2023. I think it was yeah, this would have been 2023, because I was still in tampa as I asked him. He said at that time he was like five years ago, somebody showed me something and and and, and, uh, and pretty much they, they preached the word to me and I was like, hmm, and it made me curious, and so I bought a bible and I looked into it and I never looked back and I was like, okay, all right, it's real, it's real, it's real genuine, and like he's. So I'm just like that's okay, alright, I see it now at one point.
Speaker 1:At one point I wasn't too sure, if you know, when you say that some people get really involved with their characters and I'm saying I'm not saying anything against his faith or something like that but there have been a lot of people who are method actors, who really get involved into their character, and maybe a part of that was getting involved with walking with Elias, what that means to him and everything. So maybe he kind of picked it up. You know what I'm saying. So a part of me was like Hmm, yeah. Like a part of me was like hmm, yeah.
Speaker 2:Like a part of me was like, hmm, what if that was a thing, you know, and so and so, because of that, like when I look back on some of his stuff when he was in wwe, like you can kind of see it with the way that he would carry himself, especially like when he was like a baby face, like you could see it. So but, um, now that I got my piece in about tna because they deserve to be talked about this week, unlike AEW here we go, but we're about to start talking about them. The integrity of finishing moves, fam, it's bad right now, it's really bad. Talk about it, as you Actually. Yes, because also not just the integrity of finishing moves, but then, like what is being a finishing move, fam? We see what Trick William looks like. Why ain't he dropping stuff? Why ain't he? We see what?
Speaker 1:Trick William looks like why ain't he dropping stuff? Why ain't he? Why is he? Why? Also, not even that like the trick shot to me. It don't feel like it should be his move, it's no the to me the the what.
Speaker 2:the trick shot to me is like I couldn't think of anything else to do, so I'm going to just do like this running knee move and it's like very rarely does anyone sell it where it looks great.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it just always looks floppy. Whenever he did it in the last match he like tried like the dude I guess I can't remember who it was who was in a match against he was. I think it was a. I want to say, was it Joe Hendry, maybe? But like he didn't realize, hey, the finish is happening. So his back is turned, he's like wobbly and so trick was like fucking, I'm just gonna hit it. And he hits in the back of his head. Then it's like he says yo doing the finish, comes back and then does the trick shot again, hitting him in the face and finishing, and it was like and it still looked, it still looked like.
Speaker 2:It looks like ass every time but then and it's like we have someone as big as as as trick williams, but but joe henry's the one that does the big, pick them up, slam down to the ground, move and it's all like what that look like. What does that look like and unfortunately AEW is the biggest offender of it about the no-selling and just making finishing moves ass. But like what you was talking about with the pay-per-view. How many AAs happened in that match?
Speaker 1:Like five, I think. I know it was like at one point he AAC'd Cody, got a pin, got out of it. That's like a perfect example, not even just the AAs. The fact that the man slam happened off the second rope. That should have been one and done like if you're doing your finisher in an elevated state, it should be donezo, because that's like doing your move times two yes, always has been that way.
Speaker 2:No one gets back up after a choke slam off the top rope.
Speaker 1:No, or at least you shouldn't, always has been that way.
Speaker 2:No one gets back up after a choke. Slam off the top rope, no, or?
Speaker 1:at least you shouldn't.
Speaker 2:Now there are certain benefits of the doubt that I can get and kind of understand, like, as it used to be called, the champion's resiliency. You know that gets applied to a match when you're the champion and you have a title, so you should be able to take at least one of someone's finisher. That's understandable. We get that bit and maybe maybe you get two. But then that's when the selling comes into play, which, as much as Ricochet and Dolph Ziggler, aka Nick Nemeth, used to promote it, it's become a weirdly lost art, because back then, back in the day, if I hit you with my finish and you kicked out right, match goes on. I hit you with my finish again and you somehow kicked out. You kicked out because you kicked out, because of sure will, but you're not awake yet. You're still laid out, you're still dazed like you're. You're trying to figure out what's going on.
Speaker 2:You know when people used to kick out and they just be laid out on the ground, I think, and like the crowd's going crazy, they're just all like the person who just got the finish, they're still not, they're not even moving yet, like they're still donezo, like and and you know jr's going crazy, like I can't believe the intestinal fortitude. He's getting beat out like a government mule but he's still going. He's still kicked out. I can't believe it. Like you know, just they don't do that shit, no more. Nope, they'll kick out, and AEW is real good for this one. They'll kick out after doing that big finish, right. And then the person who put the finish on it is like nah, now they're picking you up and they're trying to like they want to go and do their finish again and all of a sudden you just I'm okay again.
Speaker 1:And then you pick them up and do a didgeridoo in the fucking air and drop the guy Didgeridoo Whoa what the what A didgeridoo in the fucking air and drop the guy Didgeridoo Whoa what the what A what. What was that?
Speaker 2:Listen, a didgeridoo is. Remember when we used to play. When you play Crash Bandicoot and you get blown up by the nitro, yeah. And he likes, and he's flying up with the angel wings and he's like blowing that long big ass pipe boss likes.
Speaker 2:And he's flying up with the angel wings and he's like blowing that long big ass pipe boss yeah that's the didgeridoo, but that's hilarious, but uh, but it's like you know they'll just like they'll john moxley, and just snap out of it like you didn't just hit them with like your biggest finish of all time, and then paradigm shift, pin you and that's it, and then he's just like this, like nothing happened, like he's not stumbling because he just got hit with your biggest finish of all time. You know, he's standing tall, straight, chest out usually a bloody mess, which also doesn't make sense, because you're not selling the blood on your face or anything. It's like, oh, that's, it's just red sweat to you, kind of thing. And so it's like no integrity to the finish anymore.
Speaker 1:And and fuck selling, he feels very primal in the nature of like the blood. You know how those people that say the crimson mask makes you, um, it enhances you, it makes you, you know, kind of more guxy or whatever it's like in those situations, and I'm not trying to defend it, but it's like as if it's a second win. But the second win is like he was red and now he's green in his body, like his. Like his body was red and now Guerrero was bleeding like crazy.
Speaker 2:Do you remember how Eddie Guerrero was selling that shit? Oh yeah, Also, he was kind of fucked up, but still if that's the case, remember when I think it was Bret Hart and Stone Cold faced each other. And Stone Cold got busted open and shit.
Speaker 1:You remember how he sold that? Oh, he sold the fuck out of it.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah yeah, when was the last time you saw someone sell being busted open like those two?
Speaker 2:I have, I haven't, you have not, have, not, have, not selling is a dying art and I think the main problem about it is the fact of this whole aspect of I need to get my shit in culture that's kind of going around, which, once again, aw promotes it a lot.
Speaker 2:Mostly it aw promotes it a lot and you see it a lot with them, mostly just because of the added fact that they still bleed like crazy over there. But it's like when you bleed like crazy over there, it doesn't matter, it doesn't mean anything, it doesn't do anything Like and it's I mean sure, death matches are cool. You know what I'm saying. But, like I also feel, especially with the way that death matches are used in AEW kind of thing, versus how hardcore matches used to be kind of done and used in WWE, I honestly think that death matches are kind of ruining the art of selling to a certain degree, because it's like in my brain, okay, if I can sit here and watch you get staples put on your tongue and in your head and on your eyeballs and through your fingers and on your dick, like if I can watch you get the. You saw it. You know what I'm talking about. Don't act stupid. Don't give me that look.
Speaker 2:But if I can watch you, but it's like, if I can watch you get all those things done to you freaking be bashed in the head with whatever, legitimately get hung by a rope, freaking getting put through center blocks it's like what more can you do after that If you go through all of that and then you still have enough in you to just stand up and act like nothing freaking happened. It's like, bro, what? At that point it's all like a regular wrestling match doesn't mean anything.
Speaker 1:I mean you're not lying.
Speaker 1:Here's the thing I don't feel like deathmatch wrestling is doing that. I feel like Jon Moxley, as a character, is doing that Because deathmatch wrestling is just a thing that AEW does, because again, we got to remember Tony is a fan. He is a fan. He wants to see certain things constantly happening in every promotion. He wants to make AEW New Japan. He literally wants that, and New Japan is very big on strong style, making their character stronger than life. They should be coming back from the craziest situations constantly, right? But Jon Moxley is also a character where, yes, he's came up from deathmatch wrestling, but he's supposed to be this complete badass and that's just what he's supposed to be. It's. That's why I say to me it's not deathmatch wrestling, it is literally moxley. It's moxley that's causing that issue.
Speaker 2:Which I mean I wholeheartedly agree. But it's like when it comes to that deathmatch because with the little bit of like outside of AEW deathmatch wrestling that I see and stuff like that like even they sell things- you know what I mean?
Speaker 1:Deathmatch sells shit. That's what I'm saying. It's not Deathmatch.
Speaker 2:But it's like AEW does not know how to properly Deathmatch. You know what I'm saying? That when you think of like a person, like when it comes to people who Mick Foley all right, mick Foley and his matches when you see Mick Foley get beat, the dog piss out of with weapons and stuff like that, the way he sells it, the way he reacts to it after it's happened and the way he continues to, and I think that's the piece that's really missing when it comes to people selling stuff and what is also diminishing the value of the finishing move. People get hit with these moves and they forget it happened. Jon Moxley got stabbed in the back with a 2x4 filled with nails. It got jabbed so deep into his back that they had to legitimately pry it out of his human skin and he proceeded through the rest of the match like that never happened, therefore making it mean absolutely nothing. However. Paradigm shift on Edge and it's over.
Speaker 2:Oh, yeah, yeah but once again I say all this shit, wwe, they're not. They're in hot water for it too.
Speaker 1:5aa's remember back in the day with Super Cena with Super Cena. Yes, super Cena himself was the big reason why it was that freaking normal.
Speaker 2:It was normalized remember when they used to protect the aa. Remember when they remember when they used to protect the arcade yep, jinx, you owe me a fucking soda bitch Like that's.
Speaker 1:We said the same shit.
Speaker 2:The most dangerous letters in sports entertainment. The RKO and John Cena took like goddamn ten of them on a pay-per-view and still. Not only still got up. And then but John Cena delivered four, delivered four, five, six of them to randy orton radio, or kicked out of every single one of them. At least we protect the title belt to the head I think that oh yeah no, once you get hit in the head with it.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's supposed to be be done.
Speaker 2:Yeah, the title is probably the last protected move, the last protected weapon in sports entertainment, that throughout the years leading up until now, when you get hit with the title belt, you do not get back up, unless you're Super Cena.
Speaker 1:Then yes, or unless you get R-Truth to come in and smack you with the belt, which led you to lose as well, which technically still protects it because he was hit with the belt, yep still protected.
Speaker 2:It is the most protected weapon and it is the most protected maneuver Tidal belt to the face and it is the most protective maneuver title belt to the face. But then you look at the fact like, because I know we talked about a little bit before. You know, tony Storm's running hip attack puts bitches out for the 1-2-3 but Storm. Zero motherfuckers, kick out of. I don't understand, I don't get it I mean that ass, that ass don't call steve.
Speaker 2:Austin's career was almost ended from a storm zero brother yes, basically yes but as to the face, we will put you down for the 1, 2, 3.
Speaker 1:That's just this culture. Nowadays, bro, Like ass is everything.
Speaker 2:The tombstone put people down for what? 20, 30 years? But now a spiked tombstone, niggas, is kicking out of Make it make sense.
Speaker 1:Hey, listen here, brother, I'm not disagreeing with you. I'm not disagreeing with you in the slightest.
Speaker 2:Like with the way things are going, I feel, Baron Corbin, he got a game just in time. He got a game just in time. He got a game just in time because at this point his finishing move End of days, End of days. I do believe only one person has ever kicked out of end of days.
Speaker 1:Wasn't it never.
Speaker 2:I don't remember. No, it wasn't ever. I don't remember. Actually, let me double check. There was a part of me that wanted to say it was John Cena, though for some reason Hold on.
Speaker 1:No, it wasn't. It was somebody that was really close to him. Okay, it was definitely somebody who was kind of close to him let me, let me just double check.
Speaker 2:I uh oh, apparently it was drew mcintyre there we go. Somebody that drew mcintyre he said, drew mcintyre is the only one to have kicked out of baron corbin's end of days finishing move, which is apparently a significant event in WWE history, according to Chris VanVleet. But it's like that used to be the thing that gets people over like, granted, baron Corbin's gone now and stuff like that but it's like isn't he booked with?
Speaker 1:but and stuff like that. But it's like he's currently, isn't he booked with like MLW and shit like that.
Speaker 2:I don't know, I don't have. I haven't followed him really since he's left.
Speaker 1:Wasn't he one of?
Speaker 2:your guys. Not necessarily Like he was okay, Like he was cool, but I he was cool. But at the same time, after a while I was one of those people who was at NXT that was like hey, you're a bum, Baron Corbin's a bum. I was that guy, I did that shit.
Speaker 1:Where's Austin Theory and Wilder at bro, he's on that caliber, because he's on that caliber of them Like a talent, who you could put him in any situation, like Baron.
Speaker 2:Corbett, those two, they just got done getting beat up by Sheamus. They just didn't show up on anything.
Speaker 1:this week, the reason why I was originally thinking about him. It's like I was like, why doesn't wwe keep him? He's that kind of wrestler where it's like the ms, where you put him in any situation. Yeah, you put him in any situation and he could put somebody over. He's not. He doesn't have to get over himself. He could be completely fine with being the fall guy, but you're gonna hate him every time. He's gonna have heat. He'll heat every time.
Speaker 2:Well, so like barry corbin was actually getting over as a baby face before he left really, yeah, and he was, but he and he was like randomly teaming up with, uh, with apollo cruz, and like I was I wasn't sure where they was going with it, but like they would have like the like right before he left. I where they was going with it, but like they would have like the like right before he left. I remember they had like these segments where it was like him and Apollo Crews were like at like a barbershop, like talking or something like that Like he's trying to be cool with the homie.
Speaker 2:That's what it seemed like, but then, like I think, apollo Crews got hurt, which is why we haven't heard from him since, and they let Baron Corbin go, and this is after he had that fantastic run in NXT with uh, with Bronathan and so, but, like I, I really wish and it's unfortunate, I really wish and it's unfortunate the fact that these good finishing moves, like they're being whitewashed. They're no longer finishers anymore. Finishing moves are just becoming signature moves. There's no such thing as a finishing move anymore, because finishing moves aren't finishing. I mean, that's what I call becoming signature moves.
Speaker 1:There's no such thing as a finishing move anymore, because finishing moves aren't finishing. I mean, that's what I call signatures, that's what I normally call signatures.
Speaker 2:Well, but that's the thing. You've played the wrestling game. There are signature moves and then you have your finishers. I know, but in most of the time, signature move is the. In the wrestling game, my signature move is usually the shooting star press and the uh, um, the uh sharpshooter. My finish is the swag switcher, which is the people's elbow, and then the wild style, which is the rock bottom.
Speaker 1:I'm not disagreeing with you. What I'm saying is that to them, is the ideal of what the finishers are for them right now, currently oh no, that's what they've been demoted to.
Speaker 2:Yes, yes, yes, but that's that's not what it was. No, never that. And it's like WWE has a really bad habit right now of taking AEW's really bad habits and just using them because they work, and that's why you get Drew McIntyre versus CM Punk no, it was Drew McIntyre versus uh. No, it was CM Punk versus Seth Rollins and a thousand GTSs a thousand, uh, uh curve stomps a GTS followed up with a curve stomp, a curve stomp followed up with a GTS.
Speaker 1:And everyone is still kicking out we do a super curve stomp, a super GTS like they're trying to get crowd pops when they don't really need to, because also, the audience is the kind of people nowadays where, well, you gotta top that. How are you gonna top the next section situation?
Speaker 2:that's the problem, you don't, but for some reason they have brainwashed, intoxified their minds to think that, like. It's one of those things where, as someone who has been trained as a wrestler, the one thing that your wrestling trainers always would teach is that less is more. They always always say you know, if you slow down and if you think you're going slow, go slower.
Speaker 1:All right. Funny thing you say that is because a lot of people are feeling that way when it comes to Van Kingo. I think I pronounced it wrong, I feel like I butchered it. But the guy from AAA who has the mega champion right now, they're saying his bump card, which, if you obviously you have training so you understand what the bump card is His bump card is going to get shorter and shorter every year because of some of the things he was doing before he made it to WWE. He would do pay-per-view spots every night and they're just like yo. Luchas was like yo. You might want to chill the fuck out because you're doing too much and your buff card is going to get shorter and shorter every time.
Speaker 2:I've been going to a lot of indie promotions recently watching these matches and stuff like that and Ray Zeon doing stuff with him at the promotions and I see these matches and I watch his match. He had a match. It was a main event match, right, it was a triple threat. They had the crowd in the palm of their hands, hands just eating off of everything that they was doing. Ray zion did not. Ray zion took one bump the whole match. He took one bump one and that was at the very end. That was the finish of the match and the crowd loved it.
Speaker 2:There wasn't a whole lot of flippy shit, it was a good, straight match. But the problem that people are doing nowadays it's like the flippy shit is nice but, as you constantly hear, you can only be so flippy, you can only flippy so muchippy, you can only flippy so much and you can only flippy for so long. People are so busy doing these spots where there's crowd work. You could. I have seen cause these matches still happen in the indie scene where a match would start. They'll lock up, they'll break the lock up and then the heel will leave the ring. He'll walk around the ring three times, cussing at the people around the ring side doing all of this while the babyface is like waiting for him to come in.
Speaker 2:I don't know if you saw SmackDown, because I feel Mateo fills this spot very well as far as how wrestling could be, and if you know how to work it, you don't have to work so goddamn hard. The match started with Mateo. He rolled out the ring, talking shit to the people. You know, talking shit to the guy in the ring. He acts like he's gonna get in the ring, rolls back out the ring, goes and talks to Solo and this and the other and then, like when he's fighting in the ring, he's slow and methodical, but he makes every movement and hit matter count, as opposed to doing a thousand throwaway spots and 200 false finishes.
Speaker 1:Well, I feel like I know we could talk about this kind of a lot in depth and how you, we, how selling is such an important craft when it comes to wrestling, but I think it kind of boils down to is what do you feel like could be the solution for what people are doing, because obviously this is a a ongoing thing. It's not going to stop. So what would you feel like is the solution that people could do, what wrestlers could potentially do to to make selling important again?
Speaker 2:I feel the thing, the thing that would need to happen, is the thing that no one is going to do and WWE tries to, but then when they try to do it, people like Ricochet get mad and they leave so that they can do it somewhere else. And it's the fact that you have to tone those things down and then you have to do it where it counts, where it makes sense. You have to stop doing the flippy for a little bit so that when you do the flippy it gets a big pop, but when you do the flipping it gets a big pop. But when you have people like and we love them to death, but our resident Billy Goat and like AR Fox, where they'll go in there and they're just boing, boing, boing, boing, boing, boing, boing, boing, boing, boing, boing, boing, boing, boing, boing, boing, boing, boing, boing, boing, boing, like when they're doing all of that in a match non-stop, it's like all right, well, I guess this is all right. Cool, cool, cool, whatever.
Speaker 1:Whatever the sad part about it is for someone like um, someone like uh, like someone like Ricochet. That's his whole thing and that's the issue. Yeah, and that's his whole thing. He only started being able to cut promos recently.
Speaker 2:When you have people like Ricochet now, granted, well, ospreay gets let off the hook because, after seeing his match with Hangman, I know he also knows how to wrestle. Because, let it be known for those who are just watching and did not know, my introduction to Will Ospreay is AEW. I'd never followed him prior, I have not. I've been like I love him and I've been like let me just keep watching, let me make sure I'm not looking like a bandwagon guy and whatnot. But it's like he proved himself to me with that match with Will Ospreay and I'm like, oh, he is more than just flippy shit, but that's a strong suit. And it's like, unfortunately, when you just have so much flippy shit people, and it's like with this new generation of as I think undertaker would say these video game wrestlers yes, wholers who just do flippy shit non-stop, it's one of those things it's like because there's so much of it, niggas like Gunther get pushed to the wayside because no one's doing that old school stuff anymore.
Speaker 1:I feel like because of who Gunther is, a lot of people also really appreciate him a lot more.
Speaker 2:Correct, and they do, but there's not enough of him. And then, on top of that, I feel there's been. Remember back in the day they called it the land of the giants. We don't got big dudes like that anymore.
Speaker 1:I think that's because they're kind of wanting to get out of that mindset of the land of the giants but when you do that, that it's like doing killing off giants.
Speaker 2:To a certain degree is why we're at right now, because because there's no giants anymore to just pick people up and throw them down to the ground, which used to be what wrestling was. Choke slams, power bombs, power slams. You choke slams, power bombs, power slams. You know sidewalk slams, black hole slams, tiger bombs, suplexes those are being replaced with chops, molly whops, hidden blades, you know, hey man, look, the hidden blade is fire though.
Speaker 2:Chops, molly wops, hidden blades you know and look, the hidden blade is fire though Knees Like those big man moves are no longer happening and all we're getting is flippy shit. And it's one of those things where maybe because, since we know, when it comes to wrestling, history repeats itself maybe next generation will bring back the giants and make giants great again and start power bombing and tossing people and body slamming and, you know, doing those things again, Because it's like the people who look like they should be doing that are just kicking and punching and kicking out from tombstones.
Speaker 1:You know and again kind of going back into what you're saying is a lot of those flippy shits, a lot of those moments kind of go into stipulations, storyline moments that make it prominent to why they're doing that. And I feel like that could be another thing we can talk about next week is what are our favorite match stipulations? What are our favorite moments that kind of create the atmosphere of why those flippy shit moments are important, why those things are? Because, like you said before, it's fitting where it's needed and we all got our matches. We just talked about Monsters Ball not too long ago. Right, my favorite match of it's always been either the Buried Alive or the Casket Match. But like I feel like that's going into detail, like some of those matches where moments like that are important. That's a great segue for next week and I wanted to make sure, before we kind of end off the episode, do you have any final touches, final moments or things of that nature?
Speaker 2:uh, before we kind of wrap things up, no, no, I think I've uh did my old man rant for the day out here, out here sound like these old cats where it's like back in my day where rasslin? Was this when rasslin was real, you know, and it wasn't all the work. You know, you hit me, you put you think you're gonna get a pin off of me from just doing a quick chop against my, against my chest. Nah, fam, you're gonna work yourself into a shoot with that.
Speaker 2:It's not gonna work for me, brother, and with that I'll be damned if you bounce off of the rope and just do a running chop to my chest. I'm gonna lay down for a three count Boy. You better pick me up and slam me down. I don't like.
Speaker 1:And with that, guys, I want to thank you so much for watching. If you haven't yet, please follow us on all social media and platforms. Again, with the YouTube, definitely subscribe and like the channel. We'll be coming up with new episodes and content shortly, but it's the Masako.
Speaker 2:And it's your boy, Swag Switch.
Speaker 1:NW, and that is going to be another episode of the Big Brothers of Destruction podcast. Guys, until next time, we'll see you around.