The Wild World of Wrestling

From the iconic sight of steel cages descending to the heart-stopping spectacle of ladder matches, wrestling stipulations transform ordinary contests into unforgettable theater. This episode dives deep into the specialized match formats that have defined professional wrestling's most memorable moments.

We begin by examining TNA's Against All Odds pay-per-view, highlighting how Santino Marella has transitioned his comedic persona into a surprisingly compelling in-ring performer. The contrast between WWE's mishandling of talented performers like Xia Li and TNA's ability to showcase them effectively demonstrates why alternative promotions remain vital to wrestling's ecosystem. The conversation shifts to WWE's compelling character transformation of Ron Killings (formerly R-Truth), whose symbolic haircut and "I'm driving now" persona suggests a fascinating dissociative identity storyline unfolding before our eyes.

From there, we analyze what makes certain match stipulations truly special. The visual grandeur of Hell in a Cell, the escalating drama of Three Stages of Hell, and the versatile spectacle of ladder matches each offer unique storytelling opportunities when deployed strategically. TNA's innovative 8-4-1 match format – where eight wrestlers start in tag action before the winning team advances to a fatal four-way for a title shot – showcases how fresh competitive structures can engage audiences in ways standard matches cannot.

The podcast concludes by examining how wrestling's evolution has diminished certain stipulations' impact. When finishing moves are regularly kicked out of in standard matches, stipulations like Iron Man or Last Man Standing lose their dramatic weight. The best promotions understand that specialized match types enhance storytelling rather than replace it.

What's your favorite wrestling match stipulation? Share in the comments and join our discussion about the theatrical heart of professional wrestling!

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Chapters

• 0:00 TNA Against All Odds Review
• 9:42 Santino Marella's Return to Wrestling
• 16:12 WWE's Mishandling of Xia Li
• 27:13 Ron Killings' Character Transformation
• 45:10 Jey Uso Losing the Title
• 1:06:12 Naomi's "Proceed with Caution" Storyline
• 1:20:21 TNA's Innovative 8-4-1 Match Format
• 1:31:13 Favorite Wrestling Match Stipulations
• 1:40:03 Final Thoughts on Wrestling Stipulations

Transcript

Speaker 1: 0:09

Welcome everyone to another episode of the Big Brothers of Destruction podcast. It's the Masako.

Speaker 2: 0:17

It's your boy Swag Switcher in the building and I gotta say it's been an interesting week this week, okay, uh, when it comes to all the promotions and stuff like that. I've been. I have been trying to do my due diligence of like, uh, getting getting everything in where I can fit it in. Yeah, you know what I mean.

Speaker 1: 0:44

Nah, that's what you gotta mean.

Speaker 2: 0:47

That has been on my brain all week long, Like it's just, you know what I mean. Or even funnier, on SmackDown when he was talking and everything before he came out to the ring and then what's his name on the announcer table? Because after he's like, yeah, I mean, and then what's his name? We don't mean, we don't mean, I'm like don't say, don't do that.

Speaker 1: 1:14

Are you Pat Back? Is it Pat Back?

Speaker 2: 1:15

It had to be Pat Back, no not Pat Michael, because it's way better than the other dude, michael Cole.

Speaker 1: 1:22

Oh, the guy from oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, Okay, I don't even know. Yeah, Joe, he was like we don't mean.

Speaker 2: 1:28

We don't mean, I was like goddammit Joe.

Speaker 1: 1:30

Goddammit Stop. He pulled a Michael Cole, someone get him, get him.

Speaker 2: 1:36

He pulled a Michael Cole Bro. He had me in tears those moments where it's like I see what you're trying. Your skin tone is a little light, my friend, you're not Get a little tan. You might be able to pull it off a little bit better.

Speaker 1: 1:57

So it sounds like you got at least some stuff to get off your chest from the wild world of wrestling. Is what it sounds like? It's you, you said it.

Speaker 2: 2:09

You said it, you didn't. You didn't put the accent on it what?

Speaker 1: 2:15

what are you talking about?

Speaker 2: 2:17

last week you was like the wild, the wild world. Oh my god, I ain't gonna let that go, I ain't gonna forget it. The Wild World of Wesley, the.

Speaker 1: 2:30

Wild World of Wesley. My youth came out for a second, I guess.

Speaker 2: 2:39

The Wild World of Wesley. Okay, now that's Looney.

Speaker 1: 2:42

Tunes.

Speaker 2: 2:43

That's totally different Awesome suffering succotash type shit Like hey look.

Speaker 1: 2:49

I am nowhere near Roman Reigners. Nowhere near Roman Reigners, nowhere near.

Speaker 2: 2:56

There can be tribal chiefs out here. It's fair.

Speaker 1: 2:58

You, goddamn right.

Speaker 2: 3:00

But, um, first off, cause I didn't get a chance to talk about it last week because I was meaning to watch, against all odds, all right, tna pay-per-view. I watched it Absolute fire, it was a great pay-per-view, you, and it felt because I've been trying to get back into my tna swing uh have to say thanks to the whole nxt coalition that they got going on and stuff like that which it it has made me make sure that I watched it, because I was already trying to watch it. But like now I'm like no, no, no, we, I gotta, we guys, we gotta zero in on this. So freaking. Number one, because I'm not going to go into the whole pay-per-view, the whole, but the whole pay-per-view was great, freaking give me, give me one highlight, because I watched it too, so give me one.

Speaker 2: 3:56

Give me one match that was like that bitch was good so first off, I had the santino's match, santino taking on, uh, rob stone, rob stone, yeah, like which was robbie it was um.

Speaker 1: 4:12

If you remember him was back in, it's the same dude. I can't remember. That was him.

Speaker 2: 4:18

Yes, same dude I've been trying to put my finger on. Where was it that I remembered him from?

Speaker 1: 4:25

He was jacked back in the day. He definitely lost a lot of that muscle, that's for sure.

Speaker 2: 4:32

But him and Santino. It was great because after Santino left WWE, as a standard WWE wrestling fan, when people leave you don't follow them, you just watch WWE, because that's just how we've been conditioned, that's just the way that we work, kind of thing. So I hadn't seen Santino do anything up until I found out that he was in TNA being the sheriff.

Speaker 1: 5:03

He was just being a dad. He was just being a dad was just being a dad. He's his daughter. He was focusing on her and I think she was like, uh, she was some kind of athlete or some kind of actress or something beforehand and she just started getting into the business just starting it was saying the fact that she like that's like a like, some kind of a mark, she like, she she got she's really good with like a certain martial art.

Speaker 2: 5:25

I I don't want to stay.

Speaker 1: 5:26

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I kind of remember something like that too but um, but santino had him.

Speaker 2: 5:35

I had that match and number one. It's not like santino in tna has this semi-serious character, like he's still goofy ass, sant-ass Santino. But like you know, he's got it. But he's authority and like, as I talked last time, how he had that freaking um, that promo, that fire promo, full of passion, no, no no, no, I'm not going to lie.

Speaker 1: 6:02

I did see that too because, like because I had to watch the build-up and so they were showing the build-up and everything, I was like damn.

Speaker 2: 6:09

Yeah, listen, his match surprised me Because we're so used to goofy Santino Morella and whatnot, but it's like we forget that that man can actually wrestle Like he's. He is something of a, wasn't he like a star?

Speaker 1: 6:29

wrestler or something like that before, like he, like all-state or something like that.

Speaker 2: 6:34

Well, he was, I think so I don't remember for sure. I do remember the fact, like what was it, I think, cause he, um, cause his, when they brought him into wrestling, he, he, like didn't he beat, like funny enough, I think it was like Shelton Benjamin or Bobby Lashley, I think it was Bobby Lashley. He took the Intercontinental title from him. Yeah, I think so. Yeah, it was like the whole. He just did an open challenge and he picked this random dude being santino in the crowd, he jumps the barricade and then they fight.

Speaker 1: 7:09

Well, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. It couldn't have been bobby lashley, because bobby lashley was always a face until recently we came back, so that sounds like a heelish thing to do see I gotta check.

Speaker 2: 7:20

yeah, because I, because, because check, because Santino's first match at WWE was he won the Intercontinental title.

Speaker 1: 7:28

Yeah, I do remember that. I just don't think it would have been Bobby Lashley, because Bobby Lashley was a face in his first run. He was always a face. I don't think he ever was a heel. If he did do it, it might have been a heel, right.

Speaker 2: 7:43

Because it was a big monster heel and it it might have been. Ah, you're right, because it was so it was a big monster heel and it was. It was Umaka. There we go.

Speaker 1: 7:51

Oh, actually that makes sense. His manager was like yo, anybody out here, he can tell your manhandle, he'll destroy you. And then, yeah, no, that actually checks out. That checks out a lot.

Speaker 2: 8:02

But Bobby Lashley. But the reason why I have Bobby Lashley in mind is because Bobby Lashley was involved in that match.

Speaker 1: 8:10

Oh yeah, he might have. He might have did interference.

Speaker 2: 8:14

Yeah, he ran interference because this was around the same time that Umaga and Bobby Lashley were having their feud and Vince McMahon had just lost and had his head shaved by our current president.

Speaker 1: 8:29

Also, that's when we got Durag Vince, the most vile version of him, honestly.

Speaker 2: 8:37

Yeah yeah, the version of Vince McMahon that to this day, people swerve, keep on going on about, but, like, I mean, it is what it is, but, but yeah. So that Santino's match fantastic, I loved it. It was great to see Santino like actually work. I'm gonna need his daughter to be careful, though, cause, like she like five times damn near flashed the universe, actually work. I'm gonna need his daughter to be careful, though, because she like five times damn near flashed the universe. Had me on the edge of my seat.

Speaker 1: 9:16

Come on.

Speaker 2: 9:17

Come on, fab, listen, I ain't gonna lie to you. Like I rewound, I was like okay, we're good, alright now. Alright, now, don't play with me, don't play with me oh my god, bro, I'm like Santina get your daughter, get your daughter All right because Xia Li and Slamovich, though. First off, I love that TNA.

Speaker 1: 10:02

At least TNA knows how to use Xia Li cause, god damn yes, I've noticed that too, cause I was like I could've seen if she was in.

Speaker 2: 10:11

You know NXT at one point a lot of these small, like a lot of these NXT girls, have gone to TNA and are flourishing, even if they don't necessarily need to be like fucking Hartwell. But that's my opinion, I don't. I I've never got the Indi Hartwell appeal but she's there, I ain't gonna lie.

Speaker 1: 10:36

I ain't gonna lie, I never did either she's. She's apparently doing it.

Speaker 2: 10:40

The thing that actually really hurt me about Indi Hartwell, because, uh, I do believe it was during that match Xia Li and Slamovich right, indi Hartwell is out there at commentary. My girl, she sounded like she was so lost and didn't know what to do.

Speaker 1: 10:56

Like she didn't know the match, or like what?

Speaker 2: 10:59

She didn't know how to be a commentator. Her commentating skills were bad.

Speaker 2: 11:06

Were they piss poor they piss poor okay I want to say piss poor might as well be because, like she's out there and they're talking and it's like, and it's one of those things like you can always tell what someone does not know how to do commentating because they'll just, they'll just constantly drop like one-liners, you know. So it's like the two guys are going back and forth, back and forth, and then all of a sudden it'll be quiet and then she's all like, wow, these girls really know how to go. I don't know exactly what the fuck you were talking about oh my god, fam, it was killing me.

Speaker 2: 11:54

Yeah, it was like boy.

Speaker 2: 11:55

These girls know how to go it was like so, when it comes to this match, like who would you prefer to possibly have to go up against? Oh man, I don't know. I mean, they're both such good competitors. Match, who would you prefer to possibly have to go up against? I don't know, they're both such good competitors, they're really good strikers and stuff. It's really hard for me to say. I'll be honest, as we go back into this match I'm like god damn, come on, indy please, indy please. She was killing me on commentary bruv, she was.

Speaker 2: 12:38

She was just there for the ride. Unfortunately, it almost feels like she's waiting for someone to tell her what to say, type shit she probably, because normally a lot of people get fed that stuff, you know aside from her lack of presence at the commentating table.

Speaker 1: 13:00

I will go ahead. I will go ahead and say that match was pretty good. I would say that match in general was pretty good, outside of that commentary.

Speaker 2: 13:08

Yeah, yeah, yeah. And the reason why I brought it up specifically was because of Xia Li out here. I'm glad she's in TNA, because TNA is the type of place where she can flourish, because Gail Kim, well I mean yes, can flourish. Because because gail kim, well I mean yes, but like more so just in the sense of like the, the style of fighting that the females do on tna and the kind of push and, like you know, presentation that the girls on tna do, or get the knockouts, like that's one thing that TNA has never done wrong is the fact that they they've always known how to present women's wrestling, you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 2: 13:52

TNA has been presenting women's wrestling the right way since way before your women's revolution, when WWE was still dropping these and panties matches and having your Tori Wilson's and what's that girl's name, mrs.

Speaker 1: 14:12

White Stacey Keebler, oh, and not Lana. Damn damn Maryse.

Speaker 2: 14:21

Yeah, we got your Maryse's and stuff like that.

Speaker 1: 14:26

What was the redhead? What was her name? Uh, christy hemi. No, um, the one that was bad one was real bad. Bad at wrestling.

Speaker 2: 14:35

She, she was already whoa whoa whoa, you watch your mouth there, buddy, we, we will not take. No, eva marie slander here even.

Speaker 1: 14:47

No, not even marie, no, hell no, even marie's. No, not her it's, she had two even marie, even marie I'm talking about? I thought you were talking about the girl from um. She goes by eva in. Uh, no, eva Marie. Yeah, everybody will tell you her wrestling was bad.

Speaker 2: 15:09

Wow, First off you watch your mouth Once again.

Speaker 1: 15:16

You ain't defending your redheads, bro. If I don't, who will? You had to cook that one up for a second, didn't you?

Speaker 2: 15:26

No, I didn't have to cook, listen, eva Marie, so it's not her fault. First off, that's all. Vince McMahon dropping the ball and fucking things up, okay.

Speaker 1: 15:39

I'll tell you that right now. Okay, go ahead, go ahead, go ahead.

Speaker 2: 15:41

Because she at the time. So the reason why she ended up being in the spot that she's in is because she was too fine and beautiful for her own good. Okay, she was training to be a wrestler, all right. And then this man was all like, damn, that girl's fine as hell, bring her up right now. But she don't know what to do. I'm gonna fuck bring her up right now, but she don't know what to do. I'm going to fuck bring her up right now. And that's what happened. And so they bring her up and they're like doing all of these things. It's like she had the passion. She wanted to be a wrestler. You can pick up, you can pull up any video and you can see the fact that she actively wanted, she was really trying to do this wrestling thing. It's just that she got dealt a really bad hand because they wanted her to try and be a Kurt Angle and learn on the job. When that's oh, you mean like no Trish Stratus, Trish Stratus Well yeah, you can say Trish Stratus.

Speaker 2: 16:39

They wanted her to do like the Trish Stratus thing and just learn on the job when it's like she did not have the right time and the right uh, know-how to be able to do that the right way. Now, that was when she was nxt and also when they brought her to the main roster type situation. She should have been great, but wwe didn't allow her to be. Then she left and she did get some training, but then once she got her training, they brought her back.

Speaker 2: 17:13

They were like they dropped the ball again with her because number one, like they were trying to like present her as this you know this, this, this, you know thisthing, goddess. But then it was like she'd like get into the ring and then something would happen and the match wouldn't happen, type thing. And this kept on going and kept on going and kept on going and it was like she proved that she could wrestle. But it was like it got to the point where it was like you know how, especially when it comes to females, you know the WWE fans, they're like all right, once we see that you suck, once you just suck, you can do whatever you want to, you're still going to be garbage, and that's what she got dealt with on that one, and so now, she's out.

Speaker 1: 17:57

I can honorably respect that. You want to defend it. And yes, vince is well known for doing that and throwing people in the spotlight before they're ready. I mean shit. Look at roman reigns perfect example, you know. And they're just like look, listen to us, what we're telling you, do it, you know, you'll be good. Yes, she was probably dealt the bad hand, but we can still say during the time, even when she had her first run, it was bad. Even when she had her second run, it was bad. There's no denying that the situation at hand is shitty, but we cannot deny it was bad.

Speaker 2: 18:38

Yes, the situation was bad. She is not, and that's where I'm drawing the line. So you watch your tongue there, buddy. Alright, back off off my all red everything. Okay, you sit over there.

Speaker 1: 18:53

Ladies and gentlemen, I need you to know that Swag Switcher, every individual, we have that one person that we just gonna look, I don't care, we gonna defend it and uh, I extend those down. On this one Don't you tread lightly when you talk about my Eva, just wait till you watch Lucha, you gonna see the redhead I'm talking about. And you might be like and she's Spanish too, I mean red's. My might be like and she's Spanish too.

Speaker 2: 19:25

I mean red's my favorite color, so it's like you don't have to sell me on a redhead in any kind of way. Listen, at first, when I thought you were just talking about Christy Hemme, I was like now, hold on there no, christy Hemme was good, you know she was one of those ones that like didn't know, but she pulled her weight and she got better and she became legitimate, especially with tna, I actually got to meet her too I got a picture.

Speaker 1: 19:55

I did too, at a wrestling con as well what's she doing nowadays?

Speaker 2: 20:00

I'm not gonna look her up, just it was just.

Speaker 1: 20:01

Oh, you mean like in general, right now yeah, just in general um, I'm not too sure, honestly.

Speaker 2: 20:07

That would be a great question gotta see what she, gotta see how she look. I'm gonna look her up.

Speaker 1: 20:12

but don't wanna don't wanna dive too far into this, wanna make sure we kind of get back to the task at hand, which is one match that we both really could say was a good part of the show. So I wanted to say, uh, outside of that match, it was going to be trick Williams versus Elijah. All right, I was really feeling that match, really really feeling that match.

Speaker 2: 20:37

I have to give it to trick Williams and it's the fact to the fact that as far as his wrestling goes because I hear a lot of people say yay and a about his wrestling but it's like sometimes I feel like trick williams he'll get lazy and then when he has like, but then when he has like a match that's like like this, he turns it up and it reminds me like no, no, no. Trick willie is actually pretty good now, his now where he's at in his promos and stuff like that, with, you know, becoming this bad guy that he's trying to push after what I? It's funny because it always happens where it's like I'll say something negative and then that person will do something to make me be like all he heard me.

Speaker 2: 21:24

He turned it up. He turned it up. Okay, excuse me.

Speaker 1: 21:29

I'll sit back. Excuse the hell out of me.

Speaker 2: 21:32

Because Trey Williams, he turned it up this week In that match, in that particular match, because of the fact that it did technically happen last week when I was first talking bad about him. If I would have saw this match and everything I would have been like okay. But then going into what he does this week, it's like okay, but like still the champion Beats Elias and now the seeds have been more than planted because trick william in first class is now truly a thing. And I'll get into more into that bit when I start talking about the tna stuff here, because because that's coming, but to get off tna for a brief moment because we're going to circle back around to that stuff, Raw. So we're going to talk about the important piece about Raw and that is the seeing of the fallout of Ron Killings.

Speaker 1: 22:39

Formerly known as R-Truth.

Speaker 2: 22:43

This has been interesting because I've been doing some deep dive and seeing what people have been saying about this whole our truth thing, and they are definitely firing on all cylinders with it right now to a certain degree, because when we get the smackdown, there's something that I don't agree about, that they're current, that they're about to do, but, like our truth, comes out there and cuts his dreads off.

Speaker 1: 23:14

Iconic moment for people who know why that was important, everybody, the fact that people know why that's a very important thing for him to cut his dreads and the audience going like holy, holy, like that's a big thing for anyone in in the, in the black community. Is you cutting off your dress like cutting off your power?

Speaker 2: 23:32

and he literally got it live yeah, well, you cut your dread, because dreads are very final, like it's a hairstyle, that's very final. You know what I'm saying?

Speaker 2: 23:44

like once you get dreads. You just have dreads now, so to cut them all off how he did, that's like he. It was very symbolic of being like what I've been. That's gone now and after seeing what he looks like, fully like, with everything cleaned up, bam I yeah, no, he is night and day of a person. Yes, like he's he looks. I would not want to be caught in the alleyway somewhere with our truth. I'm sorry with ron killings, because I'm clutching my purse and I'm probably calling the police like I'm just yo, I'm so dead you're not.

Speaker 1: 24:31

You profiling my dude.

Speaker 2: 24:33

Oh my god, oh man, it's so good though however, what I have noticed though it's what I'm seeing now and what has been translated to me we're dealing with a hulk and bruce banner type situation, because uh, really, it's more of a did thing, it's more of a medical did thing, and the reason why I say that's mainly because I understand it from my own partner's experience.

Speaker 1: 25:07

But DID basically having you know your true self and you have alters, and when he keeps saying I'm driving now, it's basically the other persona of him is taking over your original state and he's currently driving at this time but couldn't one also just say the fact that that is actually what Bruce Banner and the Hulk is? I mean technically, yeah, technically, if you, if you really cause, you really think about it, yeah.

Speaker 2: 25:38

Cause with my understanding of that, uh that medical condition, because I also know someone who does. You know, sometimes that switch happens from some kind of a trigger. Hulk's switch is anger.

Speaker 1: 25:55

You know what I'm going to actually see if there's a video or something about that, because you know a lot of people, some people do find it, I want to say, insensitive or something like that, but like you're trying to compare something that to them is very like sensitive or something like that or whatever. So you might be right, somebody might actually have like a video, essay or something about that.

Speaker 2: 26:20

So I'd be quite interested to see if somebody has made a development about that, like so serious it's just just just a thought, because I've I've thought of it myself and whatnot, once I've come to understand and learn what that particular uh uh situation is. But it's like because the fact that usually it's there's like it's some kind of trigger and on top of that it's often linked to some kind of past trauma you know, and it's funny, sorry, uh, real quick.

Speaker 1: 26:55

it's funny because, like when you talk about even ron killings, him cutting off his hair, people always say hair holds memories, so that hair might be the memory. That is our truth and that's why he keeps saying I'm driving now but continue, that's actually a very interesting.

Speaker 2: 27:13

That is quite a connection that you made there with that piece. The bit that I was about to say with the Hulk is the fact that you know Bruce Banner, he had a really rough childhood. That is true.

Speaker 2: 27:26

So you knowuce banner, he had a really rough childhood, that is true. And so you know he grew up in a, you know, with an abusive father and all this sort of stuff. And then you know, all of that rage and anger that he has stored inside him is what would have formed this, uh, this altar. That would be the hulk it's just that now this altar has been fed this, this extra power through the gamma radiation, so that when that switch happens it's more than just a switch, that's also happening, type thing so it's like this personality, because the hulk sees himself as the hulk, as a separate entity of bruce banner, even the and and to a certain degree, as I, you know, the, the alters.

Speaker 2: 28:10

You know, there is a communication that can happen between the one self and whatever alter that he, that they have within them, kind of thing of saying, like, all right, who's taking who's? Who's in the driver's seat, who's taking it? I need to drive now. No, you're not ready to drive. It's a thing, and so. So, yeah, there's a, there's a little, there's now. Now, whether or not, if that's what, when they created the hulk and and stuff like that, whether, I'm so serious because you I'm so serious.

Speaker 1: 28:42

You know me in the hulk I'm I'm totally gonna find that out. I'm totally gonna look. But look it up.

Speaker 2: 28:47

But yeah, so yeah, rod killings. But with that being said, though, that very well. Actually, what you said, though, could be true, because there's times, like, for instance, on SmackDown, when he comes out, when they catch him backstage, he's talking to himself as if he's talking to himself, like as if he's talking to our truth type situation about whatever it was and so, and then that's why I was like I'm driving now, I got this type situation and so. So that was a very big thing, and about with wrong killings, and it's interesting because it's like Ron Killings. Ron Killings has always been identified as like the heel version of himself, but, like now, he is like the protector of R-Truth to a certain degree, which I'm loving, and I'm gonna go back to that in a second, because that is a big point on Smackdown, but, like just a quick mention, I'm going to go back to that in a second, because that is a big point on SmackDown.

Speaker 2: 29:49

But like Just a quick mention, John Cena and CM Punk in Saudi Arabia.

Speaker 1: 29:56

Oh, no, oh. So everybody is getting on Punk about this, Like yo Punk. You got on the Miz that one time and now you're getting ready to go to Saudi. That's Saudi money. Yeah, so you know, somebody posts up. We getting that right, man?

Speaker 2: 30:16

See him posting a theme song.

Speaker 1: 30:18

We getting that right man. But he did say so it's kind of like because of that contradictory text. He did say I am not here to make friends, I am here to make money. So like I mean, that is proving it, that is speaking to it, so you can't really get mad at it. Basically, I'm throwing the integrity out the window. I am here to make money. He kind of pulls a Vince card there.

Speaker 2: 30:47

if you think about it A little bit which don't say that to his face. He kind of pulls a Vince card there. If you think about it A little bit which don't say that to his face, he'll probably punch you. He'll scrap with you on that one. Hey look he might.

Speaker 1: 30:57

And if he scraps with me, I won't take legal issue. I'll be like, look, I'll sue. I'll be like, look, I will sue you. And here's the thing. I don't even want the money, bro, just give me a match, give me one match and make it summer slam. Make it summer slam. Hey look, I will train again to have a match, even if it's a five minute match, even if it's you know him, put me in an anaconda vice and I tap. I don't even care. All right to have that moment to be in the ring with somebody like that worth it god damn CM Punk freaking.

Speaker 2: 31:39

Yeah, cm Punk about to get that a rap money as yes money I think I shared the video on the podcast twitter b BBOD podcast on Twitter. You did Because I had saw it. So I was like because, boy, they hooked me in, because I was all like. It was like, hey, cm Punk's new theme song going into Saudi Arabia. I'm like, oh, what is this? It's like they got the CM Punk fucking Titantron. But then we ain't never about it.

Speaker 2: 32:17

I'm like oh, y'all ain't shit for that, y'all ain't Wow, that's what y'all is, it's wild.

Speaker 1: 32:26

I mean that's why, that's why we ain't never about it, da-da-da-. I mean that's why, that's why Hilarious Cause it's so true, it's so true. But outside of that, smackdown was pretty damn good, pretty damn good. A lot of storyline development. Naomi man, she is killing it on Twitter. She's killing everything, not saying she hasn't been killing it before, but Naomi is totally.

Speaker 2: 33:01

Let me parking lot that real quick, because when you said, naomi, which is funny, the fact that we almost did not talk about this because you moved off of Raw to go to SmackDown real fast. It also shows how much Jay lost the belt.

Speaker 1: 33:22

Oh yeah, that was the transition, that was the here nigga damn Wow.

Speaker 2: 33:30

Listen, people have just talked, shout out to Lord Zay.

Speaker 1: 33:32

Shout out to Lord Zay. Bro Listen, lord Zay like.

Speaker 2: 33:39

I've sent him like every video that I've seen it. I was like, wow, are they watching the podcast? Because I've never heard of the here damn thing seen it. And I was like, wow, are they watching the podcast? Because I've never heard of the here Damn thing. I've never heard of that until Lord Zay said it. And then now Lord Zay out here.

Speaker 1: 34:00

And I'm like we have it on video first. So unless somebody can show it, we have it on video. It's on the tube, it's on everywhere. Bbod podcast Y'all have it on video.

Speaker 2: 34:08

It's on the tube, it's on everywhere. Bbod Podcast. Y'all heard it first here and like it's it sucks. I have friends who watch wrestling and fam. They are up in arms about Jay losing that title and oh, Rikishi's pissed. I've been meaning to watch Rikishi's response on that. Yeah, I heard that he was.

Speaker 1: 34:34

Rikishi is so fucking mad. But you know, as a father, can you blame him? Can you blame a father for wanting to want good for his boys? Can you blame a father?

Speaker 2: 34:49

I can't, I can't, and't, and talking about that right cause like let's take the rose colored glasses off, man, talk about it.

Speaker 1: 35:01

Jey Uso's reign as champion has been all heads safe, yep, or poodoo, as people say, has been all heads safe.

Speaker 2: 35:12

Yep, poodoo, poodoo, as you say, poodoo. It has not been good, and the thing is, it has not been good since the lead up to it. Jay, we spoke on this last week. Jay was the catchphrase guy. All right, which, that is obvious. To see four letters, one word yeet. Okay, he's the catchphrase guy. Big jim, that's the mouthpiece. He's always been the mouthpiece, and jay is just not a promo dude. He, he's. He's never been able to get his promos across in a way where I'm like hell, yeah, I'm believing what you're, what you're putting down. And that was leading up until he got the title. He may seem like he was going to put that man in the dirt and he did not back up those words in that WrestleMania match.

Speaker 1: 36:15

And then, since then he humiliated him, I would give him that with the tap he did humiliate him.

Speaker 2: 36:20

That is the thing he did get that apart, that across. And I will say in hindsight, after kind of letting it marinate a bit, like he, he did give him a bit of a match, but it's like the he was talking big game. It's like what you know when you sometimes watch ufc and that one person they're talking like this super big game, like oh, I'm going there and I'm gonna stand 10 toes down and put 10 toes up your ass and all this other stuff right.

Speaker 1: 36:49

Basically, austin said I'm going to stomp a mud hole on you and walk it dry and ask nobody Like, if he did that. He just came over there and just ugh.

Speaker 2: 36:59

Exactly Like anytime Stone Cold said he was going to stomp a mud hole and you walk it dry, like at some point point in that match, stone cold is going to take you to that point where, yes, he does do that. He will stomp that mud hole, he will lose control, he will get crazy, he's gonna beat your ass now, whether or not, if he wins or lose at the end, as one thing. But at least he backs up what he would say jay may it seem like. Oh, he's about to put a hurting on him. He's telling him to go, you know, call his mom and all this other stuff and kiss your wife and shit it is the equivalent of Triple H and Randy Orton at Mania, and it had a DQ stipulation.

Speaker 1: 37:41

It's like, bro, you can't really fully unleash If you have a DQ stipulation and you lose the title. If you deke, a weapon should be involved. You invaded this man's house and we're gonna have a good old, clean wrestling match.

Speaker 2: 37:57

No, but I mean, I mean in a sense, yes, but like if there was some kind of antics like that put to it, then sure, why not? Because there's, because at least there's story there that can continue on afterwards. But it's like that match at WrestleMania was, like it felt, so final and so just and so. But since then he has given us nothing but.

Speaker 1: 38:25

Oh you mean Jey Uso? Yeah, no, I mean. That's just Jey Uso, though you know Now, granted, gunther has redeemed his name. Oh you mean Jey Uso?

Speaker 2: 38:28

yeah, I mean that's just Jey Uso, though you know it's a solo now. Granted, gunther has redeemed his name a little bit, winning the title. Well, winning the title is not what redeemed his name, his promos. Gunther has promo'd his ass off to wash off the stank of that Pat McAfee trash. Okay.

Speaker 1: 38:51

Oh damn, that's how you feel.

Speaker 2: 38:54

The match was great, but how it went down was it was not good for. It wasn't good for Gunther To me, because it's like Gunther went and attacked him and, you know, threatened to beat up Michael Cole, and then he ends it with like what is that? What is that?

Speaker 1: 39:12

Oh, like that handshake, that like, yeah, you did good, what is that?

Speaker 2: 39:15

No, no, Gunther, you're supposed to be mad. You're a big bad monster. Dude, Beat their ass.

Speaker 1: 39:22

Speaking of, by the way, you know, what also really pissed me off is when Jay, after he loses the title, he does the promo. Give everything to Gunther. Gunther's a good dude nigga what?

Speaker 2: 39:37

I don't know what the hell that's about. Nigga what? I don't know why or how we got there like he destroyed your brother in your face, paul.

Speaker 1: 39:52

He like he's bloodied up everything. He kicked his ass and everything in front of your face, wiped the blood on his chest and you sat there and you just dealt with it and you just said, oh, I'm gonna call your mom, oh, I'm gonna call your mom, I'm gonna do this, I'm gonna do that. And then, no, I don't know if he called his mama. Now he told Gunther to call his mom.

Speaker 2: 40:21

I don't think he called his mom no, but after his mom called him and said why you let that man do that to your brother, okay, that's valid. And then for it to end up with this. Now you know what this, you know what that does. This solidifies that jay is completely out of the title picture that's what?

Speaker 1: 40:45

oh no, he's gone, oh he's gone.

Speaker 2: 40:47

He is not coming back he is out of the title picture. Oh, no, he's gone. Oh, he's gone. He is not coming back. He is out of the title picture, probably never to be seen again. And rumor has it that they're trying to put him back with his brother. Because did you see the little thing that?

Speaker 1: 41:03

The Twitter thing for New Day, the New Day, yeah, so it's interesting. You say that because wrestle talk was talking about. Um, you know it was wrestle talk and wrestle lamia was talking about. By the way, shout out to wrestle talk and wrestle lamia, but love both of those channels. Um, they were talking about the reason why jay uso lost title.

Speaker 1: 41:24

Um, and this is not really spoiler. Well, spoiler, but not spoiler. It's mainly because for gunther, he's gonna go against goldberg at saturday night's main event coming up in july to compete with all in. They're literally putting goldberg on free tv to compete with all in, or, I guess, to push people away from watching all in. So you got a free show where you can see goldberg and do you want to go see? All right, so that's the reason why they got the belt off of him. And then now, because new day, have been hinting hey, we want real competition, we want real matches. And what better competition was their fucking rivals, the usos bro. We have magical, magical I'm gonna say it again, my fat like Booker T five times magical, magical, magical, magical, magical, goddamn matches with those two, with the fucking unit itself. I mean, we have the rap battle, which I would love to bring that back. That rap battle was fire. Oh, the innuendos, the puns, all that stuff. We need to make your stomach hang out more than your. We need to.

Speaker 2: 42:38

You know, remember when Kofi said oh no, so I actually heard a story about that and this is hopefully I don't botch it. Heard a story about that, okay, and this is hopefully I don't botch it, because this was via Megaran.

Speaker 1: 42:56

Oh yeah, I think I know which one you're talking about.

Speaker 2: 42:59

Because Megaran was there. He was actually on TV with Xavier Woods, and all that.

Speaker 1: 43:04

Yeah, and then Wale.

Speaker 2: 43:07

And so they was actually. Yeah, he's also good with Wale too, because of the shows that they've done with each other.

Speaker 2: 43:14

But he would say the fact that, like originally, they had, like he was backstage when they, when they was, when he was backstage with them when they was doing it, when they was doing it, he was with the Usos and, uh, the, the, the producers came up to them.

Speaker 2: 43:38

It was like hey, um, they showed them the script that was supposed to be for the uh, you know, for the rap battle or whatever. And they and it was, uh, and it was what was it? The? Um, it was pretty much the new days part of it, right, and they were all like they were trying to say, asking them what's their part of the script so that we can all be on the same page and see what's going on. And they kept on saying like, no, give us a little bit more time, we're still kind of putting together, we're still working on it, type, shit, right, which it was all like make runs, like oh, I see what they doing. And so it's like where they knew what the new day was going to say. The new day had no idea what the Usos were going to say. So everything that the Uso said, the new day was hearing that for the first time.

Speaker 1: 44:31

I like the Xavier part. Yes.

Speaker 2: 44:34

All of it, all the stuff that, literally all the stuff that the Uso said, like the Xavier Woods side of people, and maybe everybody else in the ring had no idea what's going to happen. Maybe everybody else in the ring had no idea what was going to happen. The Usos knew everything that the New Day was going to say, but they didn't. But the New Day did not know what the Usos had to say. I was like damn the expressions on their faces. Those were genuine and pure. I was like man, new Day, y'all ain't shit and I'm sorry, not New Day, usos, y'all ain't shit. And currently they really ain't shit until they get back together, cause, let's be honest, it is what it is. It's needed, what it's needed. Jay lost the belt, come back to the mid card or please just get back into the tag team, because, honestly, bring us back to the Uso penitentiary, whatever you want to call it. Just put them, boys, back together. Yes.

Speaker 1: 45:43

The Usos in general. Put them back together. Yes, yes, yes.

Speaker 2: 45:47

There's just certain tag teams that it just makes sense for them to be together. You know what I'm saying like cause where one flounders and the other one is where one flounders in something, the other one succeeds in it, which makes them level out. So now, with Smackdown you had brought up, proceed with caution.

Speaker 1: 46:15

Yes, please continue with what you were saying on that, uh, I was saying that naomi is on the run of a century right now, not saying that she she's never. She's always been great. We've already said it multiple times on the podcast Naomi is a phenomenal person, phenomenal wrestler, and you know how you stand by Eva. I'm a stand by Naomi mainly because you know she a Florida, you know she Floridian, and I've met. I've met her once cause I used to work at a hospital and she, she was a good friend and with somebody in that particular hospital, she actually I think she used to work at the hospital too, but I think she was just come by to say hey to friends and stuff like that, which also makes sense because she did graduate from Seminole High School.

Speaker 1: 47:05

And Seminole High School has like the whole health medical academy thing. So, knowing all that, you know, I bumped into her once while I was doing my security duty. But um, just, she is taking this, this story of the proceed with caution. And as much as I also like to connect it to owen hart too a little bit, just because you know he used to have the caution gear when he was in the nation.

Speaker 2: 47:27

Yes, it's such a great shout-out to Owen Hart.

Speaker 1: 47:31

It really is. It really is. And how she's always keeping her gear fresh. It's always either white and yellow with the caution tape on it. This night it was purple. I don't know if that was just like hey, I'm just wearing regular street gear, but it was still really dope and her letting Tiffy know like yo, yo, yo, your time is up and you better proceed with caution. And it's like it just, it works. It works with everything.

Speaker 2: 48:01

It works with everything it's one of those things where it's like Naomi is in this interesting spot, where it's like she's obviously the heel. But at the same time, like you, can't deny the things that she was saying, because what she said to Tiffany, tiffany, right Talk about how like you know, I forgot about what happened back when I was about to get the title and you kept sticking your nose in my business.

Speaker 2: 48:29

And so it's like for Tiffy, who was, like you know, trying to be is. You know, it's currently like the baby face right now. It's like Tiffy's demons are coming back to bite her in the ass within, in the form of Naomi, in the form of yeah, so it's like, uh like. And to see Tiffy like ooh, like she was yeah, so it was like, uh like. In the seat Tiffy like Ooh, like she was hush mouth Cause she was like Ooh, yeah, I did do that shit back then.

Speaker 1: 48:56

Like oh, ooh, damn Um so.

Speaker 2: 48:59

I did do that Can't, can't, can't, deny that one and so, but um, I have to say, still going on this bit with the females, yes, my prediction has been flawed. Okay, I thought, because it looked like everything was going according to plan because, Jay Cargill is moving on in the Queen of the Ring oh, you're talking about yep, yep, yep, but then for the other qualifier, charlotte Flair does not go on, and instead we get Alexa Bliss and monkey wrenching the plan, maybe, maybe, interference, matter of fact, no, no, no, you know what?

Speaker 2: 49:58

maybe they might be saving it for summer slam, because that's a big match honestly it is, you're not wrong, but it's always like, so there, so there is that piece, so like we're, they're just they're going to make us wait for the jade and charlotte match. But that, that threw a monkey wrench in my plan. But you know what it did solidify for me.

Speaker 1: 50:23

Jade is about to be the queen of the ring which then naomi is going to keep holding and holding and, yeah, it's going to eventually happen.

Speaker 2: 50:33

It's going to eventually happen so now, like as I said, so, of the three possible outcomes that I had, the first outcome is done because charlotte flair's out of that picture. So there's still two possible outcomes on this and I still, and I think that we're we're going to get jade's going to become uh, I'm still, I'm currently banking on jade becoming queen of the ring. Jade's going to go on to fight, most likely tiffy, unless they are going to give, unless tiffy drops the belt to somebody else, which, if she drops the belt to somebody else, in my mind I was thinking she drops the belt to somebody else which, if she drops the belt to somebody else, in my mind I was thinking she dropped the belt to maybe Bianca somewhere in this near future, because Bianca is on her way back.

Speaker 1: 51:25

Yeah, she's going to be back at SummerSlam. And so like, if we have like SummerSlam, well wait, you think, so You're thinking she's going to be back at SummerSlam, or the they're saying with her injury with her hand currently, the we more likely would probably see her at SummerSlam Okay, not saying it was before or after, just like apparently that's what we should be seeing her again prominently again prominently.

Speaker 2: 51:59

Oh okay, well, if because? If that is the case, then because, if because if she's not going to be back before summerslam to possibly try and take the belt from tiffy before then, then there's only one way this ends in my mind, my, my current prediction on this, and that is jade wins the uh wins the crown, she goes to summer slam, she fights tiffy, she beats tiffy and then she gets cashed in on throwing two monkey riches real quick.

Speaker 1: 52:29

What if now I once hypothetical, because I don't think it might happen like, okay, I think this might be where you might be originally going, where bianca wins the title, now it's jay versus bianca and then bianca wins right. But now naomi has a clear, she has a clear shot to the basket, right and to try to show her loyalty to bianca. She looks like she's about to cash in and then doesn't and then, like you know, just like to mess with her like I'm your friend, I'm your friend, I'm not gonna do that. Bianca turns around, she hits her or finish her right, then cashes in like it's the ultimate backstab. That's how that's. That's, that would be number one. I don't know if that's where your brain is going.

Speaker 2: 53:17

That's actually a cool alternative, because she turns on Bianca type situation.

Speaker 1: 53:25

And then it creates a three-way dance. It creates a three-way match Because now Bianca's mad at Naomi, jade's mad at Naomi and maybe something happens in the match where Bianca's mad at Bianca's mad at Naomi, jade's mad at Naomi and maybe something happens in the match where Bianca's mad at Jade. So it's now all three of them hate each other.

Speaker 2: 53:44

And it creates a good match. That is possible, I can see that and we have like a triple threat down the line.

Speaker 1: 53:52

Yeah yeah, yeah, I won't say a three-way dance, triple threat. Yes, I mean, that is what a triple threat is. It is a three-way dance. Well, technically, four-way dance is really what the four-way match is four-way dance, but the triple threat is the triple threat as wwe standards. Gotcha, gotcha, no, no that's.

Speaker 2: 54:10

That is a very, because my mind was that jade just beats and then then naomi cashes in on jade type thing, but that that is an interesting output where she turns on beat, where she does I feel like that would be like she's with bianca, and then you know, trying, try to trying to mend that friendship kind of thing, celebrating with her and then betraying.

Speaker 1: 54:36

I feel like that would be such like as you. You're wanting to not hate Naomi because Naomi's again on the run of a century. If you really want to make her a fucking heel, like, make it what. Like yo, naomi, like we love you, but yo like literally have Jade and Bianca have this match. Bianca wins, it's a. You know, they raise a hand, show a little bit of respect, or something like that. Whatever it causes attention.

Speaker 1: 55:02

The tension can actually happen during the buildup, right, but just have the moment raise hand, you know, jade or whatever gets beat up by Naomi and calls Riff. She's like no, no, I'm actually here for you, I'm here for you, I'm here for you. And calls the referee. She's like no, no, I'm actually here for you, I'm here for you, I'm here for you. And she's like okay, okay, I'll chill out, I'll chill out. Turns around, get ready to walk out. Boom Hits her with the forearm right, then hits her with a finisher. Boom In the ring. Referee calls in One, two, three, takes it from naomi right, that's, if you know, obviously, beck, uh, bianca has to type right. But that's just what my brain was thinking for a second is like that would be the oh that was file now.

Speaker 2: 55:47

The only bit that would have to happen, though, because, as of right now, bianca has made it very clear I don't fuck with you, and so naomi would have to. During that whole build-up, naomi would have to be going above and beyond and far out in between to try and earn her trust back, type thing. So maybe not me that happening, maybe not maybe not summer slam.

Speaker 1: 56:14

Maybe not summer slam, maybe mania like summer slam is. You remember how, when becky lynch she came at, she came back at mania. Okay, uh, remember how she came back at mania and summer slam and beat somebody for their title. So uh, remember how she just came back, gets a match with that person, wins it.

Speaker 2: 56:33

This is where Because I don't- think King and Reign immediately has a cash in of when you can have the match, does it. So that's actually a good question? I don't think they have a time period, because I thought once you become queen I thought it was like you become queen of the ring and that gets you the possible title shot, and I thought the title shot match was supposed to be at summer slam okay, maybe that's what it is, okay.

Speaker 1: 57:03

So then, okay, jay beats um, then if that's the kid, I feel like that that would be too quick, because then that's obviously the inevitable. I think I think wwe would throw the wrench of like, hey, jay wins beating tiffy, and then naomi doesn't cash, right, and then maybe there's a match between jade and bianca somewhere down the road, maybe, let's say, around november, december. Ish, right, boom, bianca takes the title offer, right, and then that's either it happens then or it has to happen somewhere. Well, no, it has to happen then, because if you got to build on hatred of all three, um, then it has to happen november, december. Then the build-up goes from december all the way to mania, where it's now jade and b Bianca start having their offsets or having their issues, and then maybe they do a rubber match. Right, do the rubber match, that's when Naomi cashes in, and then from there the buildup is Bianca, matter of fact, no, okay.

Speaker 1: 58:13

So Bianca asking Jade to have her back or for some reason, like, say, she's, like, hey, I'm getting ready to have this match. She's been acting wild, she's been acting crazy. How about I have my back? And you know how the conflict of maybe Naomi grabs a weapon to either hit Jade or Bianca and then something happens where she's grabbing it and she accidentally hits the other girl. And then something happens where she's grabbing it, she accidentally hits the other girl, and then that's like, oh, so then they take it out of proportion.

Speaker 1: 58:41

Like you hit me in the head with the. She's like I was trying to stop her, but you hit me in the head, so now we got problems and that kind of starts it up. And then she keeps trying to help her and help her and accidentally keep hitting her to help her and help her and accidentally keep hitting her. And then finally it leads to a build-up where it's like you're my friend Boom, and now Jade and Bianca's going at each other and Naomi's just like she's just laughing, like this is the chaos I wanted. Oh, yeah, that would be great to see, that would, yeah, but again, hypothetical, maybe possible.

Speaker 2: 59:16

Now just to confirm and to let you. That would be great to see, that would, yeah, but again hypothetical, maybe possible. Now just to confirm and to let you know the way that they are doing it.

Speaker 2: 59:23

It is to receive a match at summerslam a world championship match, uh of their respective brands at SummerSlam, and so, like, if Jade Cargill wins, she will be fighting Tiffy or whoever may possibly have that belt by the time SummerSlam comes around, and that's the same thing for the guys. And so that's where that piece is, and so we'll see. It's an interesting spot and I'm curious to see where we are going to turn up with it. Now jumping back to our uh, to our killings, ron truth.

Speaker 2: 1:00:12

John cena comes out in the beginning talking all this stuff, and Ron Killings comes out there and attacks him, and that's been a thing that a lot of people have been talking about this week on certain podcasts, especially Busted Open, because Busted Open, they're all like, if they do this switch with Ron Killings after the big thing that they did on smackdown, the follow-up for what they're going to do with him is going to be like that make or break type situation they was talking about, which me personally, I was like, no, I agree with that because, like, if they bring raw, if they brought raw killings back and then made him like, start feuding with somebody else, that's not john Cena's name.

Speaker 2: 1:00:54

Yeah, that would have been stupid but no, he came out there, came for John Cena, and then came out there a second time and came for John Cena, jumping him and beating his ass.

Speaker 1: 1:01:09

And then when Nick Aldis, he came up and said yo, you can't keep doing that, give me a match with Cena. Got Got it. I'm in the driver's seat now. It was like yo, he's still being goofy, but he's not.

Speaker 2: 1:01:24

Now the only thing is, though, I'm curious to see are we going to get Ron Killings versus Cena for the title? Though? That's what I want, that's what I want, I just want to see it. I just want to see it, Because when John Cena fought R-Truth, that was just a match.

Speaker 1: 1:01:44

That wasn't for anything.

Speaker 2: 1:01:46

So there was no real repercussions behind it. But now, this time, would they fight? There's a part of me that's like I think they're going to let R-Truth go over on John Cena, and if they do, then that's all like. Well, that obviously should put him in the title picture type situation. And so whether or not, if he wins or not which I feel is like that's my main thing I don't care if he wins or not. If he does win, that'd be crazy.

Speaker 1: 1:02:19

I feel like it would be. If they do a non-title, he will win. If it's non-title, yeah, yeah, non-title.

Speaker 2: 1:02:27

I think they're going to let John Cena get beat by him.

Speaker 1: 1:02:31

I'm calling it out SummerSlam. I'm calling it out SummerSlam. I'm calling it out SummerSlam. He gets the win right and then now everybody starts joking at him Cody. Cody is the reason he gets the W right, so in the non-title stipulation he doesn't be him clean. I don't think they'll give him a clean W on Cena. Cena is a generous enough dude. He may do it, but I feel like to just build the animosity between Cody and Cena. Whenever they have the match, cody interferes and you see Cody at the apron just laughing like, yeah, I did that, I got in the W right. And so that creates tension with Cena because he's like no, I should be ruining this, he shouldn't be getting this win over me. And you know, uh, it leads to a match at summer slam where he gets a title shot again. Right, we're probably never gonna see ron killings with the strap, but I feel like, because of his, his popularity right now, him at SummerSlam and then getting a real, real match out of Ron Killings with Cena.

Speaker 2: 1:03:43

Problem, though. What's up? One problem King of the Ring. We don't know who's going to win King of the Ring, but whoever wins King of the Ring, if it's a person on SmackDown, they automatically go to fight John Cena.

Speaker 1: 1:04:01

Well, here's the thing. There is a free.

Speaker 2: 1:04:04

There is still an open spot on Raw for one of the King of the Ring matches, and so a lot of people are speculating. Maybe they're going to put our truth in that match.

Speaker 1: 1:04:18

Ron killings so I think if they do do that right, say if you're, if your curiosity is, hey, king in a ring, right? Um, obviously goldberg is not beating um um, ron killings. I'm just kidding, goldberg is not beating Gunther, it's literally just gonna be. It's Goldberg's last match, right, goldberg's last match. Um, he's getting the chance to go out in his terms, right? So that's just one match, but the king of the ring, that person can still win and still go through Gunther. Like, I don't think there's going to be a storyline that's going to continue on with Goldberg well, I mean, but so, but they?

Speaker 2: 1:05:04

but they have to think about that, though, because once again, with the king of the ring, the way that's going is the fact that whoever wins, they get the. If someone from Raw wins, if someone from Raw wins, if someone from Raw wins, they're going to fight the champion on Raw, and if someone from SmackDown wins, they're going to fight the champion.

Speaker 1: 1:05:26

Sami Zayn. Sami Zayn wins. King of the Ring.

Speaker 2: 1:05:32

Sami Zayn did qualify.

Speaker 1: 1:05:34

Sami Zayn wins King of the Ring, the thing that I did qualify. Sammy Zayn wins King of the Ring.

Speaker 2: 1:05:37

The thing that I was saying, though, is that, because, now that I've actually said that out loud, are Ron Killings fighting John Cena. I don't know how that's going to be able to happen for him for SummerSlam.

Speaker 1: 1:05:54

Again, sammy wins.

Speaker 2: 1:05:56

King of the Ring goes against gunther gunther sammy too so there is that, but with smackdown, because technically, ron killings is not a smackdown person, he's wrong, he is a raw person, yeah, and so it's like it would not. So it does not make sense on for him to fight at, you know, because he technically it would not make sense for him to go and fight john cena at wrestleman, not summer slam well, I mean, they've already done it before, you know.

Speaker 1: 1:06:28

I'm saying, even though he's, you know, in saturday's main event, I guess, because it's a joint pay-per-view, but they don't really do the whole brand split as much as they. They don't really stay as faithful to that, because they kind of threw that out the window a while back already but even but.

Speaker 2: 1:06:44

The other piece I'm getting at is the fact that because there is, because summer slam is like in august, all right, and so it's like I don't think they're going to hold on to this it. There is way too much space in between now and august for them to try and hold our interest in our truth and john cena at summerslam. You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 1: 1:07:13

The only reason why I only wish it would happen is because, just like Cena is getting his last run, this is our killing. This is Ron Killings' last run. And you know what better way? Because obviously they're not going to put the belt on him. What better way to give him a big match? Because they're probably not going to put him at Mania, they're probably not going to put him anywhere.

Speaker 1: 1:07:36

Major and two, this popularity for him is red hot. You got to strike while the iron's hot by next week. You know what I'm saying. It's not like a Sorry, go ahead. Oh, no, go ahead. Finish your thought. It's not like a I believe in Joe Hendry kind of thing where it's kind of ongoing. It's not really because, like, remember he's had multiple times to get the belt and get that, but the fans are still going for it. Right, with Ron Killings, I think, because of his character, doing a match, say now, and then maybe still building onto it until August. Potentially, I feel like potentially could happen now, will it? Maybe not, but I have a feeling that would be a really cool way to kind of put everything together, because you're not going to put Cena versus Cody at SummerSlam, I don't think the best way that I can put that is that, uh, if wishes were fishes, this world would be an ocean.

Speaker 2: 1:08:50

True, and I don't see it coming. I don't see it happening Just to speed things along because we're finally coming back around to TNA that I wanted to get at real quick, just to throw it out. The reason why I'm not going to really I'm not talking about AEW is that AEW is still in timeout because y'all gave me four hours of almost nothing, not saying that Will Ospreay and Swerve Strickland did not tear the house down match-wise, but AEW is all matches, no promo. They're not pushing nothing, they're barely pushing anything. I'm so tired of Tony Storm having these meaningless matches while CEO sits outside the ring and eats these cold ass steaks and take pictures and show off her how you know they cold because she ain't touch it and she's, you know, sits outside the ring. You know like she's supposed to be commentating, but she's apparently too good for commentating and she's got a thousand belts and a bitch ain't one Like I'm just.

Speaker 1: 1:10:12

Like I'm mad at you. She's not a title, I don't know.

Speaker 2: 1:10:19

I mean she. Anyway, now I will say the only thing that AEW does get out of me is the fact that they got me interested in Kenny Omega's match.

Speaker 1: 1:10:32

Alright, because obviously you know, wait, the match that week are you talking about with him and Okada? Because we already know that. You know, I don't, I don't know, like I don't feel we're ever gonna get a wrestle kingdom version of that match. It will be a good match. It's just not gonna be wrestle kingdom one or two. It's not gonna be those and everybody's. It's not going to be those. Everybody's hoping that it will. It will not. I don't think it.

Speaker 2: 1:10:59

I think at this point it does not need to be it, but it needs to come close very much. It's got to come close. But they're building it good out of everything that's happening right now in AEW. At least they've started building that and making it feel really big and really important fuck, I'm actually gonna show that to my wife when we get we get home.

Speaker 1: 1:11:22

I'm gonna show that to her.

Speaker 2: 1:11:23

I'm gonna show her those masks, but um but, yeah, maybe I'll talk more about aw next week, but tna though. Okay. So first off, my girls, the inspiration in TNA, formerly known as the Iconics. They are back and I'm so goddamn happy.

Speaker 1: 1:11:45

It's basically the beautiful people.

Speaker 2: 1:11:47

I have missed—actually no, they're not the beautiful people, the people who have the titles right now. They're the reincarnation.

Speaker 1: 1:11:55

Okay, yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, you're right, okay, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, you're right, you're right, you're right, you're right, you're right, you're right, you're right. Like which I feel like that's a, that's a gimmick. You could have just ran to the fucking ground like they're the new, new, new, beautiful people, because, like beauty, I don't know why they didn't.

Speaker 2: 1:12:08

They could, unless they just didn't want to, and it might just be like a whole thing, you know. Just like they don't want to, like you know, take their thing from them or whatever no, I feel like, I feel like velvet sky and them.

Speaker 1: 1:12:23

They would be like yo. Keep that shit right. Because the theme song is I'm sorry that theme song is great, the gimmick is great, it only makes fucking sense. And because it's the knockers to me they're a more.

Speaker 2: 1:12:34

They're a more. They're the beautiful people, but more barbie, yeah, because because our beautiful people that we know of, like they were, they were just, they were hot. They were like, uh, like we're hot and we fucking know it and we're going to strut it, type thing and you can look if you want to. We don don't care, we do it for us. That was that. But this one they're super Barbie girl. They remind me of. They're like a made-it version of what's called the Vanity Project in Evolve, which for a minute I wasn't feeling them. But after Homie got the title, I'm like okay, I'm kind of fucking with this Vanity Project, because they take the idea of the beautiful people but make it supermodel college kids type situation. That's the Vanity Project, and they're pretty niche and evolved. Shout out to them vanity project. And they're, they're. They're pretty niche and evolve. Shout out to them but like I. But yeah, no, I'm. I'm glad because now I can get some more of the inspiration and I love how, like in commentary, they uh, they, they like, they make little nods, especially since, because they're working with wwe, like they made a statement saying it's like this iconic maneuver. I'm like y'all ain't shit, I hear y'all, I see what y'all doing, but, um, I had to say that for myself, um, shouting them out.

Speaker 2: 1:14:05

But first class trick, trick Williams is. As we saw with the Elias match, aj Francis came out there and helped Trick Williams beat Elias and it's now been fully confirmed that First Class and Trick Williams are in cahoots together. And now I feel that Trick Williams can finally look like and be the heel he's trying to be, because when he was fighting elias, he pulled out all the heel maneuvers from ripping the, the turnbuckle off, and which led to way he, which led to his finish. And when the, he hit him in the head with a turnbuckle, freaking, aj francis came out there and interfered. I'm talking like if they weren't. They're trying to make it very clear that, yes, trick williams is the heel, and putting them with first class makes it even better, especially with homo out there. When he came out, he's like first class, trick, try to get the fam. I'm bro, I was rolling. I'm like oh, this is about to be a fucking thing. Trick is going to hold this belt for a minute.

Speaker 1: 1:15:26

Yeah, he's definitely holding that shit for me.

Speaker 2: 1:15:28

He's in there now. He is in there and I'm I was kind of on board, but now full throttle. I'm I fast kind of on board, but now full throttle. I fastened my seatbelt. You are preparing for flight? Yep, take me for a ride. Let's do this. Let's do this. Get it to me, get it.

Speaker 1: 1:15:47

to me it's crazy that you bring up tricks because Trick Williams and everything. I find it that, outside of everything that's going on with TNA, I mean, was that the only thing you want to talk about? Because I know we want to actually get into the real topic of the day.

Speaker 2: 1:16:01

Oh, yes, which is actually what I was going to lead into. I'm glad you're bringing that up, because TNA had this very interesting match stipulation that I hadn't seen before, but apparently it's something that TNA has done before. They call it the 8-4-1 match. So the 8-4-1 match how it works is you have it's a 4-on-4 tag team match, right? Whichever team wins gets eliminated. I'm sorry. Whichever team wins gets eliminated, I'm sorry. Whichever team loses gets eliminated. And the remaining team with the remaining team, it becomes a four-way match and then whoever wins the four-way match becomes the number one contender specifically for the women's title.

Speaker 1: 1:17:02

So wait, it's an eight-woman tag.

Speaker 2: 1:17:05

So it's two matches in one. First, it's an eight-woman tag right. Okay okay, you have a team of random bitches versus another team of random bitches and whichever team wins, that team becomes. That team creates the four-way match.

Speaker 1: 1:17:29

Oh, they say who gets to be in it?

Speaker 2: 1:17:33

Yeah, so let's say you just have, because I don't remember the full, I don't remember the team lineup off the top of my head because there's a lot of girls, but it's like you know, you got four girls over here, four girls over here, this team of girls or I should say like this this team of girls wins the match which makes these four and now the four remaining girls fight in a four-way match and whoever wins the four-way match became the number one contender for the knockouts title To go up against Slamovich, and I thought that was a very, I thought that was a really cool idea of like a really cool match stipulation Cause. Tna when it comes to creating cool matches and cool stipulations, I ain't gonna lie TNA, they stay on it when it comes to like their unique matches because they have cause. There's that they have the monsters ball, which we talked about last week, that they have the Monsters Ball, which we talked about last week. They have the X match, the X Division match. That they do. I forget what it's specifically called Destination.

Speaker 1: 1:18:47

X, destination X.

Speaker 2: 1:18:49

You're right, I was about to say that's not the name of the pay-per-view. They got Destination X and stuff like that. They have some really cool match stipulations that they've come up with. I thought this one was a very unique one. It's actually one that I would love to. I would want to use that in a wrestling game. I would love to do that. Just have eight on eight and whoever becomes the last four have their match to get against each other to find out who's going to be the last person standing and that person gets the title shot and so that being said, that match went to killer kelly, who literally just came back because she had been gone for a hot minute, and apparently her and Slamovich got.

Speaker 2: 1:19:39

I think apparently her and Slamovich used to be a tag team at some point.

Speaker 1: 1:19:42

Yeah, the whole chain dropping thing, that that was weird, like you came in and dropped chain, I was like yeah, so that that's like a shout out or a call back to their whole tag team situation that they had going on and so I'm like okay okay

Speaker 2: 1:19:58

and you know, I, I like me some like when it comes to like the female wrestlers. I love weird, unique, crazy female wrestlers like fucking killer kelly, like that that's. I'm fucking with this and so I am, as you can see, I, I have become very locked in for my TNA right now, okay, and TNA got me on the edge of my seat, especially with all this shit going on, like TNA and NXT they're doing it right now and AEW do better. Goddammit, here we go, god damn it, here we go.

Speaker 2: 1:20:39

But saying all that, the lead into it, these different matches, talking about different matches and stuff like that, when I was thinking about it this week, about this topic and everything, I actually had to re-remind myself what the topic was going to be. It made me try and think about what was my favorite match stipulation and I think my current. I'm at a crossroads Because originally I think my favorite match stipulation and it was always just purely because of the look was Hell in a Cell. Hell yeah, that was a really big Hell in a Cell game. Hell yeah.

Speaker 2: 1:21:27

And if we're talking about my favorite match stipulation to play on the game for a while, it was the Armageddon Hell in a Cell match because that's a specific Hell in a Cell match which, for those who don't know, the Armageddon Hell in a Cell match, which is weird, that that's how it ended up being called. But, like at a Armageddon long time ago WWE pay-per-view there was a-man Hell in a Cell match that went down that had some of the toughest star power in it in Rikishi, however. In Rikishi, however, however, though I'm slightly clowning on that particular bit the one thing that everyone remembers, the iconic moment of that match, was when Undertaker chokeslammed Rikishi off the top of the cage into the back of a truck filled with hay.

Speaker 1: 1:22:38

Which apparently had crash pads and everything in there too, and he actually ruptured his spleen from that.

Speaker 2: 1:22:44

Yeah, he ruptured his spleen in that, but that was like the big spot that happened of the match which I remember made me mad because, like that happened and then, undertaker, he just like passed out on top of the cage.

Speaker 1: 1:22:56

I'm like yeah, he was done, he was just like.

Speaker 2: 1:22:58

He was like mission complete because, like when that happened, I was like oh man, that means undertaker's not gonna fucking win and I was really pulling for taker to win that match, if I'm not mistaken. I'm pretty certain it was kurt angle who actually came out.

Speaker 1: 1:23:15

Yeah, which was wild. Did not imagine that happening, because you know the craziness of that match. You know austin could win triple h could win, the rock could win, and no angle. Even though he's the the one that loses the most in this, he's the one that won and I always find that interesting. I mean, when it comes to match stipulations, man, I mean people could automatically know me.

Speaker 1: 1:23:43

I love me some hardcore, I love me some death match wrestling and I have a particular one and it's interesting because when I brought it up to you, uh, it's the three stages of hell, at least the concept of the three stages of hell, and one of my favorite ones of all time is the hell of war match with kill shot and dante fox. I am telling you, as much as I love Pentagon, I love Penta and I loved his set on me at a match with Vampiro. That's like the match. If, if I ever was going to be like yo, who is your favorite wrestler, give me a match and show me why. That is the match. That was like okay, I'm sold on Penta, you can tell me this. Motherfucker did know that. Look at this, this, this match, everything about it is beautiful. I love that set of middle match. But my favorite match To watch on lucha Is the hell of war matches.

Speaker 1: 1:24:47

Three Stages of hell. The first one, the first match, I think it's a Um, I think it's just a regular map, a regular singles From singles bout. The next one is First Blood. And the final one is an ambulance match where they put you in the back of a military ambulance. Did you say you got the chance to watch it Right?

Speaker 2: 1:25:07

I didn't watch it in full.

Speaker 2: 1:25:11

I watched certain bits of it which was then when I realized, wait a second, oh, this is like a, this is a three stages of hell match. Okay, which? The three stages of hell match is actually something I was I did want to talk about, because this was like the first thing that popped into my mind when he was talking about like match stipulations, thing that popped into my mind when he was talking about like that stipulations and I felt that the three stages of hell stipulation, I missed it. I missed it, existing though it did not happen. A whole bunch, it's like I and apparently there's one that I actually missed because, uh, I had this conversation with somebody else, I think it was actually with the group chat. I brought it up.

Speaker 2: 1:26:02

I brought it up the fact I'm like man y'all remember the three states of hell and the reason why I questioned that was because on youtube one time, just randomly, the full match was posted on YouTube and it came to my things. You might like page and I'm like wait a second. Three stages of hell Triple H vs Stone Cold. Oh damn, I remember this 2001.

Speaker 1: 1:26:36

I still say the Survivor Series match or that series of their matches, was the better one.

Speaker 2: 1:26:40

But go ahead but like no you're not wrong, but I just thought the I was like three stations of hell and I had to think, man, we haven't seen one of those in years. And when I looked it up I found out that I had to think I'm like man, we haven't seen one of those in years. And when I looked it up I found out that, apparently. But then when I looked it up and I saw when the last one happened, I understood why I missed it because I wasn't super big on NXT at this time. I just wasn't really watching it a lot. But the last one in wwe that happened was johnny gargano and adam cole. Apparently that was the last three stages of hell match that happened and that was, uh, in 2019 they had it started out as a regular singles match, which, funny enough the way that it. I just remembered because I was a Ryback fan at that time and I was just like damn, I really wish Ryback would win, but I know he's not.

Speaker 2: 1:28:03

But yeah, the last one that was done, it was a standard singles match. Then it turned into a street fight and it ended in a cage and so, like the a street fight, it ended in a cage and so like, um the match, funny, I'm looking at the actual like, uh, the statistics for it, like the different ones that were had and what match that they had. Most of them had a steel cage match in them as a matter of fact I think one, two, not that one.

Speaker 2: 1:28:36

There were only two of them didn't have the match in them. As a matter of fact, I think one, two, not that one, only two of them didn't have the steel cage in it, and that was Randy Orton versus Triple H and John Cena versus Ryback. Those ones did not have a steel cage in it. And then what was it? Stretcher ambulance. I feel like a stretcher match and an ambulance match to me are kind of the same thing to a certain degree. Yeah, pretty much. But yeah, I think the three stages of hell. I feel one of the reasons why we don't get three stages of hell matches anymore is because rivalries don't cook long enough for that. True.

Speaker 1: 1:29:18

Like Sammy and Kevin Owens can do it. Sammy and Kevin Owens can do it.

Speaker 2: 1:29:24

Yes, they could have a three stages of hell match If they re-brought it Like this last time, like their last little hoorah that they had with each other. That would have been a perfect time for like a three stages of hell. Yeah, that would have been perfect, but like the only people whose rivalry I feel could have done that is Swerve and, um uh, hangman.

Speaker 2: 1:29:51

Swerve and Hangman yep, I think their rivalry could have warranted a three stages of hell type situation. Maybe not now, because we're currently building up to them having no choice but to be friends.

Speaker 1: 1:30:07

Maybe it'd be like a Heyman, you know, scratch my back, you know, just to finally end it like finally end the war between us.

Speaker 2: 1:30:23

Let's do this one last time, but you know you gotta do a crazy situation or something like that, like a crazy match. I mean like, to a small degree, aw's trying to cook, but like I'm not giving them shine right now because, no, you ain't I I know.

Speaker 2: 1:30:32

Listen, they have wasted a full work day of wrestling Damn, in two weeks. Damn, because four hours of wrestling last week and then four hours of wrestling this last time. And those four hours of wrestling in those eight hours of wrestling, all they've given me was I can't even say they've given me good matches, because that doesn't count anymore like I can only say that they make great matches so long before it's all like okay, give me something more than that, though. It's like out of that whole time. They gave me what god damn the Kenny Omega shit that was like the biggest pop right now is like out of that whole time. They gave me what Goddamn the Kenny Omega shit, that was like the biggest pop right now, and they gave me no, that was it. That was it. Really. Honestly, they really haven't progressed nothing. They are on their road to WrestleMania, my guy.

Speaker 2: 1:31:34

But once again I'm going to stop talking about it, because I said I wasn't going to give them no shine. I don't even want to give them hate. They don't get nothing. But the other match stipulation that I hold really high and I honestly think might be my true favorite match stipulation is the ladder match. By way of ladder match, the TLC match. Okay, specifically like TLC match, but I specifically fuck with the ladder portion of it. Okay, that's the part that I like. Like, there's not many TLC matches that I don't like as a whole. Like like, they're all usually very fire when it comes to like what happens in the innovation just bring back the six-sided ring.

Speaker 1: 1:32:25

No, that's, that's a side note, but six-sided ring I like how that does.

Speaker 2: 1:32:31

But it's funny because, like you say that I like that, like when it came to the Six-Sided Ring bit outside of Destination X. The only thing that TNA really brought extra when it came to the Six-Sided Ring was the fact that it was a really cool cage that they had, yeah, and that cage looking back on it, that cage felt like it was high as fuck. That bitch was Because I've, I've been to TNA where they had.

Speaker 2: 1:33:04

Where they had a what was the? I can't remember who was fighting, because I remember, yeah, we were there actually, it was actually with you when they had like there was like this crazy cage match that they had kind of thing and it's like I remember we're sitting in the stands and we're like the cage is still higher than us, than where we were sitting, and it was like damn, this cage is ridiculous, ridiculous.

Speaker 1: 1:33:34

But I will admit, a cage match is great, a ladder match is great. I do. I will say it is definitely a three-stage, so I'm, I'm standing to, I'm standing on that one, I'm standing on that one. Uh, ironman match is also a great contender. Ironman match is a great contender. Um, and casket matches on. I I mean casket matches are cool, but I feel like in the game, like back in the day, where you just Casket matches were Casket matches and Buried Alive matches were really weird match types in video games.

Speaker 2: 1:34:15

Watching them it's more so the idea of them types on video games. Watching them it's more so the idea of them were cool. But, like to me, any time there was a casket match I always felt like there was going to be some kind of weird tomfoolery that was going to happen, which usually that's how I would like. A casket match was never a clean finish type thing and buried alive matches I don't think there's ever been a buried alive match that was a clean finish and all of them had Undertaker in them and all of them he lost. If I'm not mistaken, I'm pretty certain he's lost every single Buried Alive match. He's been buried alive every single time, every single time, every situation it's like.

Speaker 2: 1:35:05

Kane with the Inferno match. However, he did get one. Oh yeah, he did, he did. He beat MVP. This is true and I think the only very live match that did not, I'm sorry, the only inferno match that didn't have kane had bray wyatt, but I'm pretty certain he lost.

Speaker 1: 1:35:30

but I would honestly love to hear everybody else's thoughts about this too, because, like you know, especially in our comment section, our audience and everything just kind of hearing. But I would honestly love to hear everybody else's thoughts about this too, cause, like you know, especially in our comment section, our audience and everything just kind of hearing. I think we might even do a, do a post on Facebook as well, but just like to hear what are some people's favorites, matt stipulations, and just kind of get a feeling of that, because within the, the wild world of wrestling, these match stipulations, the wrestling, these match stipulations, these things are what bring us all in and enjoy the actual um, the actual performance that is wrestling. And before we kind of wrap things up, I wanted to see if you had any final thoughts, any final things you would like to say before we kind of wrap up this episode as well.

Speaker 2: 1:36:14

Well, as I'm thinking on it right now, like visually speaking, because like I still think, like the ladder match, like ladder matches, tlc or just straight ladders, are definitely like my favorites to see and watch. I think the coolest match was the inferno match, just because of the presentation that it had and just the unheardness of it, the fact that you win by setting the other person on fire, kind of thing which I I wonder well, not so much wonder well, well, actually, no, I like, as I just output the thought, like that's probably why, but like I'm surprised that there's not more of those in like in your favorite type of wrestling, your death match wrestling. But, as I started to say that as, which is crazy to say out loud, when you think about deathmatch matches.

Speaker 1: 1:37:18

There are moments where people have done some stuff, but I have to show you some videos to kind of get to your final thought.

Speaker 2: 1:37:31

There really isn't too much of a final thought in regards to just the different match types. I do feel that some of the match types that we did speak of, they don't happen anymore because the way that we deal and handle weapons and signature moves, as you now call them, because they're not finished yeah, it's because of that. Certain matches like that are like they don't have that bravado like they used to, like freaking. If John Cena can put an AA on someone like five, six, seven times and they kick out, you can't make me believe in an Iron man match that once someone gets hit with the AA, that's it.

Speaker 2: 1:38:32

You see where I'm coming from with that Exactly. No, I get it Like an Iron man match doesn't matter anymore. You know what I'm saying. Like the Last man Standing match, like the integrity of the Last man Standing match to me has kind of sort of been lost because of the, just with the way that certain things have happened and so, like a lot of these matches where they was dope to watch back in the day, nowadays it's like Not as fun anymore, not as appealing as it used to be, but They've lost their shot.

Speaker 1: 1:39:09

They lost their shot. But I mean we're in an era where we don't have to do too much of that anymore. But I mean that is just wrestling in general, if we don't have to do too much of that anymore, but I mean that is just wrestling in general. If we could find safer ways and more you know, better ways for the wrestlers to be able to create this wonderful art, why not? And only that's what triple H always says. We only bring those things out when it's really necessary. That's why he hated hell of a cell being a pay-per-view itself.

Speaker 1: 1:39:32

But, guys, what are your thoughts? What are your ideas on what is the best wrestling stipulation or match stipulation of all time for you? Would love to hear your thoughts on the comments. And, uh, I don't really have a topic for next week just yet. But just know, with how the wild world of wrestling is, there's always going to be something to talk about and we're always going to make sure we bring the heat, because here on the podcast, while the ring is sacred, the topics are tough, but there will be always destruction. So until next time, it's the Masako.

Speaker 2: 1:40:11

It's your boy. Swag Switch in the building.

Speaker 1: 1:40:14

And we will see you guys on our next episode. Have a good one.