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When wrestling careers falter, who's truly responsible? This week, we tackle one of wrestling's most divisive questions through the lens of Eva Marie's controversial WWE run. Was she doomed from the start by insufficient training and poor creative direction, or did she give up too easily when the going got tough? Our passionate debate reveals how wrestling companies often position talent for failure while fans pile on criticism – creating a toxic cycle that few can escape.
The conversation pivots to John Cena's recent "pipe bomb" directed at CM Punk, a moment that sharply divided the wrestling community. We dissect why manufactured moments rarely capture the lightning-in-a-bottle authenticity of their inspirations, and why Cena's attempted recreation fell flat despite his legendary status. This analysis exposes the challenges of creating organic moments in today's highly-produced wrestling landscape.
We also tackle intriguing developments across the wrestling world: the mysterious R-Truth mask revelation, Solo Sikoa and Jacob Fatu's family drama, Blake Monroe's glamorous gimmick similarities to Tony Storm's "Timeless" character, and WWE's inconsistent application of rematch clauses. Plus, we share our unfiltered thoughts on Goldberg's return and Jay Uso's ongoing promo struggles despite his in-ring excellence.
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Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to another episode of the Big Brothers of Destruction podcast. It's the Masako.
Speaker 2:It's your boy Swag Switcher in the building and real quick. I just had a quick question to ask do you need glasses or do you just wear glasses because you feel left out in the in the world? I?
Speaker 1:feel left out. I feel left out. I feel left out. I ain't gonna laugh. That's crazy. I ain't gonna laugh.
Speaker 2:There are people out here literally getting laser shot into their eyeballs and you're all like. I wish my eyes were a little messed up so I can wear glasses.
Speaker 1:Like. I want to be like my. I want to be like my little brother. You know what I'm saying. You know what I'm saying. We try to. We try to be in our own ways. You know what I'm saying. You want to be good at the sticks. You know I'm saying. We try to be each other in our own ways. You know what I'm saying. You want to be good at the sticks. You know in the games. You know. You want your brother to teach you how to play tech it a little bit. So you know what I'm saying. I'm over here trying to be like you and wearing the glasses.
Speaker 2:There you go that was all I just wanted to ask real quick, because I was also looking at your, like it was your tiktok. No, your uh, it was your TikTok. No, your uh, it was your Snapchat, and I'm like those are blue light glasses though.
Speaker 1:Those are blue light glasses though, so I do wear those because obviously you know on screens and stuff like that. So the glasses I do wear are blue lights.
Speaker 2:Okay, alright, so that's acceptable. That's fine, yeah.
Speaker 1:Just one I love how we start off an episode not even with wrestling. Just why the fuck is Maz wearing glasses, bitch.
Speaker 2:I just had to clarify, just in case anyone else wanted to know.
Speaker 1:Ladies and gentlemen, like I said, welcome to another episode of the Big Brothers of Destruction podcast. We got some definitely definitely got some interesting topics to go along and it's going to be going with a wild week of wrestling, as usual. And I know, swag, you watched a couple of shows or certain things you didn't watch. But I'm real curious on what your input on this wild week of wrestling is. I almost did it again to the world week of what I almost did it Um the wild week of wrestling and what that was like for you. Because, boy, I'm ready to talk about one specific thing and you probably know what the hell I'm talking about, so go ahead, hit us with it. This is. I like to make this your segment. This is normally kind of your segment.
Speaker 2:Wild week of wrestling with it. This is. I like to make this your segment. This is normally kind of your segment while rika wrestling. Let's go ahead, as it's labeled www in my phone. Um, before I do, I wanted to touch back on something from our last podcast that we was talking about, uh, in regards to our truth and how we make the comparison about the hulk, and so I went ahead and I did the research a little bit here and turns out as I looked it up ooh, I should have done a little bit better with my works cited information, but it is confirmed and I copied and pasted it here. But it was like Bruce is confirmed and I have it, I copied and pasted it here, but it was like Bruce Banner in the comics and they say particularly in the early iterations of Bruce Banner is often depicted as having DID, which is the dissociative identity disorder.
Speaker 2:And it says, also known as multiple identity disorder and, it says, also known as multiple personality disorder. The Hulk's identity is considered a distinct personality within Bruce Banner's erasing form and due to his trauma of his abusive childhood and the gamma radiation exposure. This is supported by various Hulk personalities that have emerged throughout his story, each representing a different aspect of his suppressed personality. That's interesting, so just wanted to touch back on that to reconfirm that bit. And that also reminded me of something else. It was a scenario.
Speaker 2:I wanted to run past you real quick. So, like your promotion of choice okay, they hired you and they're going to train you to be a wrestler and all this other stuff, and so you're there maybe like five, six months, and then they're like, hey, I know we're still training you, but like we got something for you, I'm gonna call you up, okay. And so they put you out there and you're doing your thing, but nobody likes it. They try to train you some more, but at this point everyone just thinks you're garbage. Is that your fault or the promotion's fault?
Speaker 1:I don't know where the fuck you going with this shit. And I at first, when you hit me with this, I was like, okay, maybe you about to hit me with some real shit you really bringing up all this shit again.
Speaker 2:This is real shit, though it is. It is, it is the world thinks that you're, even though you have been training your hardest. You're trying to do your best. They're giving you really crappy ideas. You know you're trying to be the maziku, but they're trying to make you like this. Something a little weird, but like you're trying, okay, everyone is saying that you're garbage.
Speaker 1:Am I working on myself outside of that promotion?
Speaker 2:are you working on. You are faithful to this promotion. They they hired you. You're under contract with them. So I would say probably not like are you? Are you talking like going to other?
Speaker 1:like okay, because, because you mentioned before the first time I I failed and I came back. During that time of my failure, did I work on myself or did I just kind of say, oh well, I just move on with life? No, you've been training okay, you've been training.
Speaker 2:So you were, you've been training.
Speaker 1:So you were training before, Okay. So okay, if this is the case, a part of it is me and a part of it is the promotion. You know what it is. I just didn't get it. It was not for me, because there are certain things in life that is not for everybody right, Because you could train as hard as you want to be in something.
Speaker 2:If it's just not for you, if it's just not for you, it's just not for you. But a part of that method, a lot of that, is the promotion. But with that bit of you training because, think about it, this is when you first started training you got maybe about like roughly six months of training, kind of all right, and then they put and they threw you to the, they threw you on tv, right, and then everyone said you was ass. So they gave you a little bit more training, not a whole lot more training, but they did try to give you a bit of training. I would say like, because usually, as someone who has done wrestling training, normally you'll train.
Speaker 2:I would say at the minimum you'll train. Like three and a half times a week is usually how that goes. And if you're an overachiever, usually there's going to be at least one day out of that three and a half times a week where you can go and it's like an open ring type situation. All right, but because of the fact that when you go back and you're still trying to train, you're trying to train but you're also got shows and dates that you also have to still meet because you're still under contract, okay and so, but even then, you did improve, you got better. But people still say you're at your ass because of what has happened prior. And you have not. You, some could say you have not improved to the the universe's liking, even though you did actually improve. But at that point is it the promotion's fault or is it your fault?
Speaker 1:It's the fans. It's also the fans too.
Speaker 2:It is the fans' fault.
Speaker 1:But I admit it, it's the promotion's fault.
Speaker 1:Yes, it is the promotion's fault that you were not properly trained for the job or the thing that you're doing. You were not. You were. You were given chicken shit, expecting to make chicken salad. But here is the thing where I understand what you're trying to do, but that is not the only factor that goes into play. You have let alone. Yes, the promotion is the top reason why you are ass, right, but then also you got to look at the finicky nature of wrestling fans who, even though you are trying to improve and become better, we are calling you ass. So that will get to any person's psyche. That will create any kind of issue for any person who's trying to become better. So while the promotion is at fault that you are not properly able to do your job, it is also a portion of the fan's fault, for while you are trying to get better, they're not allowing you to. For while you are trying to get better, they're not allowing you to. So even if that person is a great wrestler, in the eyes of the universe they are not.
Speaker 2:So it is the promotion's fault and the fans for not giving that person a chance to become better, then why the fuck were you trying to just put it all out of your memory the other way?
Speaker 1:I did because, even if okay, this is why I said before did that person get the chance to go out afterwards to improve and become better? Because every person that has left WWE goes out to the indies and does something and become something. Look at Drew McIntyre. Look at freaking um uh, uh, fucking um, what's his name? Everybody they bring back afterwards when they leave WWE and they come back to that promotion after they gone out there. Matt Cardona could be definitely coming back at some point and he's definitely made himself a well-known person in the indies. So here's my thing. While, yes, wwe was really trash at how they presented Eva Marie, what did Eva Marie do after she left WWE? Has she done anything after her second run? Maybe she's probably saying, yo, wrestling has treated me this way so bad, I don't want to do it anymore, but how?
Speaker 2:many after the second run. That couldn't easily be inferred it could.
Speaker 1:But here's this, what this is what I'm going to say. Then I'm gonna pull up nick nemeth. Remember how he said how many times you know people keep telling him why do you keep doing this to yourself? Why do you keep doing that? Because I have to do you keep doing that Because I have to do it. It is who. I am right, it is a part of me, because sometimes you give, you give, you give and you give and you never get anything back. If it was really that important to her, she would have kept giving. Look at me as a sumo wrestler. As much as I keep trying to get back into it and my body keeps shitting on me, I keep fucking doing it. I am literally trying to rest a knee injury right now, even though my body says, boom bro, you probably a little too to do this right now. You probably need to lose weight. But what am I doing now? I'm trying to improve that. I'm not giving up on that. She gave up on that.
Speaker 2:He gave up on that after the second try. Okay, and that's not what we're talking about, though Okay, we're talking about when Eve Marie was actively doing and pursuing wrestling.
Speaker 1:Okay so.
Speaker 2:She's stopped pursuing wrestling at this point.
Speaker 1:Okay, but even the first time Go ahead Even with that. When she was first released from that promotion the first time, right, what did she do? Total divas, that's all she did. She didn't push anything. So when she came back the second time, it was like okay, now my employer has hired me again, now I get back into the ring. What was she doing after that, after that first time?
Speaker 2:after that. First she did go and get training. She trained, but if you could remember, when she came back the second time they I think she had, like they gave her like a really shit.
Speaker 1:They gave her a really shit comeback. Hang on hang on.
Speaker 2:It's like she came back and she barely had matches.
Speaker 1:She was in NXT the second time, wasn't she?
Speaker 2:No, the first time that she was there. So when you look at her span right, she came and she was in NXT for a bit. Nah, she was in NXT for a bit.
Speaker 1:Nah, she was in the main roster first and then went to NXT Because, remember, she changed signatures.
Speaker 2:Nah, she was in NXT first, and then they brought her to the main roster.
Speaker 1:But then why do I remember she went back to NXT? For a reason.
Speaker 2:I don't Now I'll have to double check, but I don't remember her going back.
Speaker 1:Maybe that was just me seeing her NXT run as that, but I do remember her going back at one point and that was their way of like giving her that development.
Speaker 2:She was an NXT when she first showed up and when she wasn't doing well because she wasn't trained, she was an NXT kind of thing. And then, but even then when she was in NXT, she really didn't have a whole bunch of matches like. She had like at the most maybe four matches, and then they brought her to the main roster. And when they brought her to the main roster that first time, she kept on having the things where it's like she'll come out to the ring but then like something would happen and she wouldn't have a match. She'd come out to the ring, her top gets undone and she doesn't have a match. Like a bunch of that kept happening. That went on for like damn near like a month and a half of her just showing up supposed to be having a match, but then the match doesn't happen, and so that went on for a bit.
Speaker 2:That became her gimmick and so I was, like that kept on going to the point when she just kind of like fizzled out and disappeared and they kind of like stopped using her, and then she went to train some more. She trained with Natty, and Brian Kendrick is who it was- kind of thing, and so she trained with the brian kendrick at the time, and a little bit with natalia and so.
Speaker 2:But then and then, like, after going through all that training that she did end up doing, um, once she went through all the training she came back, but then they put her with piper nebit aka or uh, with, yeah, with piper aka dewdrop, and so instead of her fighting, it was more so her putting dewdrop in her place to fight and all this other stuff, and then she barely had matches.
Speaker 2:I think it ended with her having like a match with Piper, finally, where she got fed up with being Dewdrop and then, after that happened, poof, she was gone again, but we still get Dewdrop or Piper. Happen. Poof, she was gone again, but we still get Dewdrop or Piper as her name now. And so it's like with that comparison to what I was saying to you and saying, you know if you had when you put it, it's like, because for me I won't even put the fans in it it's.
Speaker 1:But that's the thing. You have to put the fans in it, because the fans are the reason why she got the the, the noise that she got, even in her matches, to kind of mess this situation up, because you got to remember wwe even though they say they don't listen to the fans, they do so. The fans are constantly giving you shit every time you wrestle or every time you have a match. Wwe hears that and they will say, okay, boom, and then they gave her another thing and the fans just kept doing it. They're not going to keep a product around if it's going to keep getting like. They're not like tna, tna, which they've.
Speaker 1:Um, they have gambled on tesla blanchard because, remember, tesla said that the stuff she did you know, racist comments and any promotion outside of mexico would not touch her with a 10-foot pole. But for some reason, tna say hey, let's give her another chance. And she came back and you know what the first fucking thing fans kept saying Was she's a racist. And that was every match, every situation. But here's the thing about Tesla Banshee. That's different from Eva Marie. Tesla can fucking wrestle, okay, and not saying that Eva can't, but like, in a sense, every match that Tesla's giving people is something fans enjoy. So, regardless if fans are saying that she's racist in the audience, they're constantly telling her you're racist, you're this, this, and that Tesla still goes out there and gives five-star matches. Well, not five-star Good matches, right?
Speaker 2:I'm not fucking Dave Meltzer.
Speaker 1:I'm not Dave Meltzer, I'm not going to do that, but she gives good matches.
Speaker 2:Right.
Speaker 1:She gives good matches Even if the fans are calling her a fucking racist. It's not even you can't wrestle. John Cena hears that shit and he still does it. So it's like, again you got to remember the fact that it's got to be a part of one. Yes, you were not properly put in the right situation, you were not properly trained and stuff like that. But then, even if those two scenarios gave you a shit experience, we literally have someone who is being called a racist for, like the first month, she came back to work Right, and even when the situation happened, she went to Mexico. She went to go, still be in that thing. That really is a part of her legacy and what she's connected to. Eva just said fuck it.
Speaker 2:She did say fuck it After being given absolute ass.
Speaker 1:But here's the thing If you were giving ass in wwe, why not try tna? Why not try another promotion?
Speaker 2:everybody else has done it but see the reasons why and I can all and and I can't I could almost say for a lot of other people when it comes to this, because there's a lot of people who have only showed up in wwe did their thing and then, once wd was done and I was like, well, that shit didn't work, they were like fuck it, because wwe is it like wwe is the spot. She probably, as far as her concern, she probably did not want to go anywhere else because WWE was the only place that she wanted to have and call home, kind of thing. There are people right now freaking Miss Glamorous herself, which is something we'll talk about later, but like she did go to AEW. But she has made it very clear the only reason why she went to AEW was to put her foot in the door to go to WWE and here's the thing if, say, that moment with WWE doesn't work and she gets fired, guess what she's gonna fucking do?
Speaker 1:go to another promotion. She's not gonna give up. That's the difference between it in this eva marie situation, because, like, yeah, you have two situations where you are at every person's dream promotion. Right, every person goes to this dream promotion as someone, cedric alexander dream promotion for him. What does he do? He's still wrestling, he's still going elsewhere. No matter how you put it in that situation with eva to me you gave up on the thing that if you really cared about it, you gave up on it. Right, there's so many people who get ripped away from wwe but still keep going. Fucking. Eddie Kingston's a perfect example. He says he never wants to go there because they're not gonna value him and this is his life. So it's like, even if you were in WWE and they threw you a brick, he's still gonna go back to the indies, he's still gonna do something else because wrestling is him.
Speaker 1:You gotta remember Eva Marie was hired for Total Divas. She was hired for that. So it was like, even if she was truly a wrestling fan, you were originally hired for Total Divas and then, with Total Divas. It was like okay, cool, we're going to put you in the ring too. And it just didn't work out. It just wasn't for her. She could have been a valet, she could have did something else. She just said nah.
Speaker 2:I don't know about that. I mean as much as I would love to her to be a valet. You know, valets are beautiful. She'd be a beautiful valet Beautiful, but you know valets is a dying breed. It is a dying breed, but here's the thing.
Speaker 1:Here's the thing. Here's the thing Eva was already hired because of her look. She's gorgeous, fucking gorgeous, right. So even with situations like that, eva is still a draw because of her looks. And WWE, at that time with Vince, is a guy who gives only a fuck about how you looked. He didn't give a goddamn about how you wrestled. Who gives only a fuck about how you looked. He didn't give a goddamn about how you wrestled. So you're telling me the man who literally used to make bra and panty matches couldn't say let's put Eva next to somebody to look good. With Matter of fact, make her damn sable.
Speaker 2:She was with Mark Mark fucking what's his name for a while and then became more over than him, so you couldn't just put her with somebody else and make her eye candy now, unfortunately, when it comes to what you're saying, with that piece, that part, we can't really say on a yay or nay basis, or even if she, because she probably may have wanted to do that, but she was only given the sticks that she was given, which then led to her not being in the place that she probably wanted to be or even do the things that she probably wanted to do. Because she's made, she made it very clear that she wanted to wrestle, she wanted to get good in wrestling while she was there, but it was like that's that was not what the women's division was doing at that time, because that was also still kind of sort of, you know, leading off of the divas era, at least for her first run, her second run. You know we still had the whole Vince McMahon situation going on at that time, and so with that particular piece in that bit I guess I can see what you mean by it is the fans, how the fans can play a role into all of that. And I mean, granted, the reason why she ended up not coming back is the same reason why the Rock didn't come back, you know, because she ended up getting more lucrative opportunities that did not need for her to have to be in the ring anymore, especially after they kind of did her the way that they did, kind of did her the way that they did like.
Speaker 2:If I and of course, you and I in regards to her, of course we'd probably go out and find another wrestling promotion and wrestle over there and get our name big and this than the other. However, I don't know about you, but if, after trying and getting shat on by the fans in wrestling and then the company after I was trying to get better kind of thing, if somebody else was all like, hey, listen, I'll pay you the same amount of money that they was going to pay you to do this, to do this. And I'm like and you and I both know, as we've talked about before, sometimes the bag comes first. It does If the bag is like, and so she chased the bag.
Speaker 1:And that is something that anybody would do, but what I'm trying to say also as well.
Speaker 2:But I will say what you were saying about the fact that she gave up.
Speaker 1:Because the reason why I say that is because there are some people Matter of fact, there's a lot of wrestlers in this industry that they are going to choose wrestling first, right, and granted, yes, they're going to be picking what's good for their family, but they're going to also make sure it's still in some way shape or form connected to wrestling. Right, like I couldn't imagine Daniel Bryan Right, or Daniel Danielson you know, brian Danielson Excuse me, that's a Daniel Bryan, brian Danielson Like he's going to be connected in some way, some way shape or form, in wrestling, even though he's been told all his time he's too small, he's not big enough, he's not this, he's not that, and he's heard that all his life, right. But there are people that when we hear that shit in our lives, think of how many times somebody told you you couldn't do something or something happened to you, and you said, no, no, fuck that, I'm going to do it Right. She said she wanted to wrestle. She said she wanted to get good. Did she try it somewhere else to see if, boom, was it just them or was it me? Right, she didn't.
Speaker 1:So that's why I call it shit, because if you really wanted to do this thing, as bad as you say you did, why did you not try it elsewhere? Right, and and that's why I also put myself in the shoe. I always try to put myself in the shoes of somebody else and, like you, just put yourself in that shoe too, of like, the bag is more important, right, but there's always going to be that part of you that says, but was it really me, though? Right? Have you never? Have you never had that moment? What to say? Was it really me, though? Right? Have you never? Have you never had that moment? What to say? Was it really me?
Speaker 2:I, so I can say, yes, I've had that moment. However, just like how we just got done, saying it was the fans and the promotions. She does not have to say. If it was really her, I would not have to say. You would not have to say if it was really you, if you went through all of that training and you was trying to do yourself this way and be as good as you could, and then they was all like, hey, because, as we know, there is a script, there's things that you specifically have to do because that's what they told you to do, kind of thing.
Speaker 2:You follow the script, but then the thing happens you go back and you improved but, as you're saying, the fans did not accept it. And then not only were the fans not accepting your approval, but the people that you work for are not making your case any better, and so it's like you know, you put your ass on the line and went as far as above and beyond as your physical body could do. Therefore, once you got let go, it's not really a is it me? Because you, you know it's not. You know, if you put all you had into something and you really tried to make it a thing, so if you know it's you, then why don't you prove them?
Speaker 1:Why don't you prove that, hey, you made the mistake Because I'm going to go somewhere else and be a fucking star, right? Because, yeah, any other promotion would see Eva Marie coming from WWE and be like boom, put her in a fucking main roster, put her, put her in the title picture, because you know they do that in every fucking promotion. That's not WWE. If you come from WWE, we're gonna put you in the main program. Okay, cool, boom, go somewhere else and show that. Become undeniable. That's what every fucking person says in wrestling become undeniable. So then maybe say, if she just said hey, just to prove to you motherfuckers that I'm actually a good wrestler, I'm going to do one match and then, after I had that match, I'm never coming back to wrestling it because it was your loss, right, why not do that? That's all I'm saying.
Speaker 1:I'm not saying that the bag wasn't big enough. The bag wasn't, this isn't that, but it's like maybe she doesn't feel like she has to prove herself, right, maybe she just felt like okay, boom, that's what you guys feel. Fuck off then. But here is the thing that I guess it gets to me is because if you were and this is I don't know if you're quoting her, right, I don't know if you're quoting her but if you are quoting her, then it's gonna be like well, if you're quoting her, but if you are quoting her, then it's going to be like well, if you really wanted to wrestle, you really wanted to do this thing, then why did you let that stop you? Why didn't you just try somewhere else? And if you can say it's the whole, well, it's WWE. That's where everybody wants to go right, to go right. But, as we can see throughout the years, wwe is not the only option. It's the best option, yes, but it's not the only one.
Speaker 2:What she ended up doing would be the equivalent of you went through all that stuff. That just happened. But then, because I don't know if, like, we should talk about your side hustle, but like Not really, no, so in that case let's just say, like that happens. But then in your case case, your side hustle, boom, takes off, okay, takes, okay, okay. And now your side hustle that you originally did hell just like for her she did that prior to even doing wrestling type thing but now your side hustle is making you the same kind of money that wrestling did.
Speaker 1:I think my question is is my side hustle my passion, or is my side hustle a side hustle? Because I think where my brain goes into is that wrestling was her passion, right, and she gave up on the passion for the side hustle, right. So is the passion the side hustle Because then absolutely fucking do that. Or was the passion the original thing you gave up on?
Speaker 2:Now, unfortunately I can't quite answer that for her, because I don't remember I don't I don't necessarily remember like I know wrestling was something she was passionate about, but because like right now she last I checked like she was doing like a lot of stuff with modeling. She did some movie stuff and everything like on-screen personality things that she's done and she's also kind of sort of like she kind of sort of started like her own little like business type ventures at this time and so like.
Speaker 2:But it's one of those things where it's like, because that other thing I wouldn't I don't want to say that was, but whether or not, if it was a like in my mind. I mean Grant, I think I see where lot. I see this with a lot of past wrestlers that have done it. You know it's like she did it, type thing.
Speaker 2:There's a lot of wrestlers who like, hey, listen, I got the WWE, I got to do the thing that I wanted to do in WWE type thing. And to a small degree Westford was yay and nay and I think with her I know there was a lot of fact that was like there was some negatives in that bit yeah, there was always gonna be negatives around that time, yeah and so it's like at that point, going back to it, it's like I don't, there's nothing that I need to prove, there's nothing that needs to be proved.
Speaker 2:She doesn't have to go out there and go to TNA and fight because, for all intents and purposes, she already got to the best place that there was. She did get to do what she wanted to do there. It's just that they them, they dropped the ball on her. She's got nothing to prove. She didn't drop the ball, they dropped the ball on her. I can totally agree with that, and so it's like that's not her fault and even if the whole idea of the fact of her going somewhere else to prove herself to be undeniable, as you said, once again, that's not her fault.
Speaker 2:It's not her fault that she did not go and prove herself over there, because at the end of the day, she became a big name on her own, away from WWE, doing her own thing, whether it was inside or, in this case, outside of the ring. So, for all intents and purposes, she became undeniable for herself, without having to be in the ring to do it and you're right.
Speaker 1:But if you're gonna tell me somebody says that and again, I don't know if you're quoting this, if, if I'm hearing that somebody wants to be in an industry like that and then suddenly you know, something of that nature happens, yes, everybody has bad shit. You know I'm in the industry that I work in my actual job. You know I've had multiple times where I'm like yo, I feel like the company is doing me shit, hell, that's the reason why I got fired from my last one that came up in May, got put into a really shitty situation but I went elsewhere and, honestly, best place to be at right now. I couldn't, honestly, I'm gonna have to put you on at some point. Best place in the world to be at right now. But it was still the thing where I still have a passion to work in education and, yes, I had a really shitty situation in an organization, right, but that's where my passion is and as much as I enjoy my side hustle and that's why I feel like it's a situational. I really feel like it's situational because, no matter how much we flip it, there's going to be the ideologies that you see in that scenario and I'm going to see it in that scenario. This is kind of why we're always yin and yang on things, because the way you may see it in that scenario and I'm gonna see it in that scenario this is kind of why we're always yin and yang on things, because the way you may see it and the way I may see it is always going to be situational.
Speaker 1:We can both agree to disagree that what wwd wwe did to even marie was shit. We can both come to that agreement that that is not her fault for what she experienced. But at the end of the day I'm going to always say, well then, why didn't she just try somewhere else? And, yes, maybe that bag that she got was like well, fuck it, I don't have to go back to wrestling, all right. And that's where that disagree to agree situation comes at. And no matter how much we have that conversation on like yo, well, she's doing better now, why does she need to wrestle? It's going to be like well then, damn like, if that shit was asked and you really wanted to wrestle, why didn't you try somewhere else? You would have got in the door anywhere. So that's where we're going to always have that conflict there. But the only thing we can definitely say WWE is at fault, it is not her.
Speaker 2:Well, I'm glad I was able to get to see you recognize the error of your ways in that particular aspect, because last week you said something different, but and that was the only thing I just needed to make sure that you actually saw.
Speaker 1:that was the only thing I needed you to see and now that you've seen it, and here is the thing, and this is the part I want you to see right, even if that is the case, even if she bad training, all that, I'm still only given what I am given.
Speaker 2:Right If at some point, because you're also a fan- Exactly Because we're fans, exactly Because we are fans and you didn't care about her like I do.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's what I'm saying. You literally spent 30 fucking minutes on a woman you cared about just to get that boy to cross.
Speaker 2:Yes, but at the but I see where you're coming from with the whole fact that she didn't go out and do wrestling kind of thing. But, like I, just as we was talking about, I did double check and pretty much she did leave to go other places and to do movies right, take her name to other heights, whether in it like her acting career and a couple of other personal projects that she herself has had, kind of thing. So it was like right now she's, she's eating good and she does not need wrestling. However and here's the thing that I go back on, because there's a lot of people who I know that are like this when she left though there were some sour points and whatnot, when she did leave, cause she left, like whenever they kind of like did, like the little budget cuts, situations and stuff like that I thought they released her we do.
Speaker 2:Yeah, she was released, like you know like they did it because of budget cuts, okay they're budget cuts but, um, but it's like when they let her go, like she did get let go on good terms and, as I looked it up, she is open to come back to WWE in the future if the opportunity comes up, and all this other stuff. However, she falls into the category of plenty other wrestlers. They don't want to go somewhere else.
Speaker 1:Okay. So here's the thing Knowing that she has the potential opportunity to come back. If she comes back and she is still the same, are you going to defend it? Are you going to finally admit nah, this ain't it for her?
Speaker 2:Now, in that particular case, I know when somebody's asked just for being ass, okay, I get that bit you, you don't, you don't have to sit here and be all like oh, oh, oh. Are you gonna defend her after she botched?
Speaker 1:that's what I'm saying, because if we, because if you're basically trying to put that she can wrestle, it was just she was put in a shit situation. Ok, if she comes back and gets a new situation and has an opportunity to prove that she can wrestle and it's still shit, are you then going to say it's the promotion's fault, or this is just not it for her, or this is just not it for her.
Speaker 2:I mean, if that be the case, then it would have. Listen, if the promotion? No, don't give me that You're not answering the question, don't give me that. You give me that.
Speaker 2:Oh, here we go, because you literally are doing it, I'm literally giving you now, okay, if the main conversation, listen if the promotion brings her back and she is not good, and especially if the promotion is like just freshly bringing her in, like that, then yeah, of course, listen, of course I'm going to say like well, I guess she screwed the boo but here's the thing she's not.
Speaker 1:You're not thinking she's gonna train before, because they're not gonna be like, hey, you're gonna come in tomorrow, you're gonna boom, you know, going to train before, because they're not going to be like, hey, you're going to come in tomorrow and you're going to boom. You know what I'm saying? They're obviously for her. Because she has that background, she should have the ability to go train, prepare for her match. They're going to put her in some situations. First, you know like get the hype going and stuff like that, okay. But then then, as they build her up, build her up as they do any wrestler if she finally has her big breakout match. The first match okay, you can have some fumbles, right, you can have some fumbles because it's ring rust. Second match okay, you get in the program. Third match. You know what I'm saying. If every match in a series of matches are still that, then what? Because I think Monet is shit right now. I think her matches are great because the other wrestler is making her great.
Speaker 1:I do not like what Monet is doing at this moment. And there, for some reason, there is this thing where, while people don't I'm not going to speak for everybody I have seen some things where people are like just a little tired of what Monet is doing because it's like, while they'll say we don't like her presentation, the matches are still great. And a lot of people, including myself, are saying sometimes it's because of the opponent making her great, but at some point, when does it become? You've had multiple matches to showcase this and get better, because, as anything you do in life, you are never going to be perfect the first time you do it the first time you do it Excuse me technical difficulties you are never going to be perfect the first time that you do it, so we can't expect that right. So when has it become a point of you? Just it's just not you.
Speaker 2:No, at that point. No, I, like I said at that point, you know her coming back and that is like, and she ends up still not being good. Then, yes, I, I would have no choice but to agree with the fact that, all right, I guess at this point she has just dropped the ball kind of thing, because, you know, because she wasn't out getting her, you know, doing the extra reps, or she did not get the training that she, she did not get the refresh and the full, full extra bit of training that she needed to on the way in. So I'm like, yeah, no, I'm like, I'm there with you on that, I'm there with you on that, I'm there with you on that. You don't, you don't even gotta like.
Speaker 1:I just wanted to make sure I wanted to make sure you're gonna stay in 10 toes if they give her a whole program and the program's months and she's doing matches in between. She's going to house shows. We also gotta take into account if taking it back, if you're doing house shows too, that's when you're supposed to fuck up, alright, so you're doing all these things right, and then at some point, matter of fact, would you give it a time frame? Would you give it a time frame? Would I give it a time frame?
Speaker 2:Yeah, no, no, I would not. I wouldn't give it a time frame. If I find out, if tomorrow on Raw she showed up, then I'm like, okay, it's game time, let's see what we do, and if it falls south, then at that point I'm just like that's first match. I'm not even giving first match. I'm not giving first match.
Speaker 1:Okay, go for it.
Speaker 2:The reason why I would not give it first match is because, compared to where we was when she first started and everything, and then where we're at right now, the Performance Center is 10 times better than it's ever been.
Speaker 1:So you're not going to give her a ring rust, like, okay, it's ring rust, you're not going to give her that.
Speaker 2:No, because I have ears at the performance center. I've seen and heard what goes on over there at the performance center, like the way that they train, the way they get people ready and stuff like that listen. Jade cargill is a prime example of what the Performance Dinner can do for somebody Like she's still getting better, but now Jade is at a point where she can hold a match one-on-one and not feel like we're dragging out a Goldberg match, okay. So it's like.
Speaker 1:I never really saw her matches that bad, but that's crazy. I always they were not like phenomenal when she was in AEW, but they were like.
Speaker 2:Okay.
Speaker 1:What I'm not saying. I'm not saying they were great, I just didn't think they were trash, like everybody said, like it was like, okay, that was a match, like you know. But there are people that was like that's, it was like I wouldn't say dog water, but it was like they weren't great.
Speaker 2:Right, and we're not good for a spot that they tried to put her in? Yeah, they weren't. Now also, they weren't not just good for the spot that they put her in, but AEW also doesn't do a great job of hiding your weaknesses, like WWE does?
Speaker 1:They don't, yeah, and that's why, and that's why AEW, while it is not the all-B option I mean WWE is the all-B option. Aew has its flaws too. Every promotion has its flaws. I will say that I feel like any wrestler who hasn't been in the ring for a while. The first match you are allowed at least ring rust, because, granted, I know you have wrestled and I've done stuff in high school, so I can't really say too much to it. But there is a thing about when you do something and you haven't touched it in a while. Like me, getting back into music, my first track is probably going to be ass. I'm going to keep it above 50, which I have rapped in damn near almost 10, almost 8 years, right, but there's going to be that little bit of ring rust or that rust of like okay, let me find myself again, right, and I feel like that only well go ahead.
Speaker 2:I was like, I feel like at least the first one I, I kind of feel you, but the only reasons why I don't fully agree is because of the fact that, specifically with WWE can't speak for like AEW and those other places, because they're weird, but, like with WWE, they're not gonna, they're not going to embarrass themselves anymore and just put you in the ring with you not being able to do something or with them not being able to hide your imperfections. Okay, so, like if Eva Marie showed up and they're like, all right, we're going to have you be. You know, we're going to have you in a program that's going to lead you to be a Women's Champion later on. All right, cool. So here's what we're going to have you in a program that's going to lead you to be a woman's champion later on. All right, cool. So here's what we're going to do. We're going to take you to the performance center and we're going to have you work one-on-one with somebody and we're going to make you look TV ready, and that's what they're going to do. And if, for whatever reason, they feel like, all right, we can't get her tv ready, they'll probably.
Speaker 2:The jay cargill is the perfect format for that. They showed her like, hey, she's coming, she's gonna be on tv real soon. And then they sent her to a performance center. And what did they do when they brought her back? They brought her back and they put her on tv. She may have had like maybe like three or four singles matches by herself, just kind of show, just to show her off a little bit. And they put her in a tag team. They put her in a tag team. They put her a tag team because a tag team especially since they're kind of since it's like that that on the clock, uh, you training type situation, with her being in the tag team, she has that time to. When she's in the ring she can work and do what she needs to do and she can get her high spots in the stuff that makes her important. And then, for all the stuff that she's not good with, tag her out and let Bianca do all the work. Let Bianca do all the work. Let Bianca do all the selling.
Speaker 2:So they put her in a tag team and all that good stuff, but what I'm saying is that she's not going to get to that point until they're like alright, you passed the Performance Center test, now we're going to send you out there. So if Eva Marie isn't wrestle ready anymore, we'll probably never know that she's not, because they're not going to just put her ass on TV like that, unless she is just going to be a valet and she's not going to be fighting like that or something like that. Like WWE. They're better. They're much better than what they used to be when it comes to things like that, because, god damn, they have a stacked roster of NXT people. They got these indie cats in freaking Evolve. Is that Evolve? Is that Evolve? Yes, in Evolve.
Speaker 1:Oh, yeah, Evolve, it's Evolve. Then NXT, then WWE now.
Speaker 2:Yeah, exactly so. It's like because the fact that they have so much more extra kind of thing, you know they're not going just blow their load. If you know, on on eva marie, if at this point like she's not where they want her to be, kind of thing, at least right now, kind of deal, like I said, and as they brought her back, then it'd probably be just because for the valet purposes.
Speaker 2:But sadly, as much as I would love that like I would love anywhere of any bit of that. Valets are a dying breed and it makes me sad.
Speaker 1:Very much, you know. What also makes me sad is that we almost spent a whole hour talking about this and we have way crazier things going on in the world of wrestling right now.
Speaker 2:But it's a topic and it's something, cause it doesn't just apply to Eva Marie, though I know.
Speaker 1:I know it's just the fact that we're revisiting it and shit, and I've been really excited.
Speaker 2:We were going to revisit it. I've been. Really, I needed you to see the error of your ways.
Speaker 1:I I really wanted to talk about the crazy shit that's going on. I've been hype about it, especially when I was driving in the car and I watched that shit live, I was like, ooh, I want to hear what the fuck he has to say about this shit.
Speaker 2:Well, let me. What is the thing? The fucking?
Speaker 1:pipe bomb, bro, the fucking pipe bomb. Oh, the pipe bomb bro, the fucking pipe bomb, the pipe bomb, bro. You're telling me, bro, I'm in the car. He hits him with the AA, the belt, and he puts him through the table and then he grabs the mic. And you know what I said Is this bitch about to do a pipe bomb? And he sat on a fucking turnbuckle and he turned that shit up. Now, granted the pipe bomb to me. It felt a little forced, right, but what was cool about it is the fact that they fucking did it and the spiciness from it. Now, you giving me this face makes me feel like you didn't like it, trash.
Speaker 2:You thought it was trash. I didn't like it, I didn't care for it, I thought it was stupid, I thought it was garbage. It's because, as you said and the reasons why is just solely because of what you said it was forced Like it didn't feel organic. If anything, it was more so. I mean, grant, if it makes me dislike Cena as a heel, boom, you did it, congratulations. I've never, I didn't care about it, and then it's pretty much it's like the whole idea. Like for me it didn't feel like it was some epic ooh. It's not like John Cena really fucking said anything either, in my perspective, like it was just like oh okay, he's doing a rip pipe bomb here. It's, you know, trying to poke fun at cm punk, because I think this is like the anniversary of the pipe bomb, if I'm not mistaken I don't know if it was, because if that, if it was the same day, then that's not, then that that will destroy it.
Speaker 1:Even. My thing was it was the fact that this was the wrong time. It happened, like if we would have got this at like the beginning of this heel run, even though it's not even connected to Cody, I feel like.
Speaker 2:Before you continue, I want to let you know June 27th will be the anniversary. June 27th, 2011, was when CM Punk did the pipe bomb.
Speaker 1:That's 14.
Speaker 2:So it's the 22nd right now, so whenever the 27th is of this month. So yes, 14 years ago, it is yeah, 14 years ago, and so I mean I guess they could have still done it on like for next Friday If they was really trying to. But like, cause next Friday would be the anniversary of the original pipe bomb.
Speaker 1:I mean the whole. I know the whole thing was also just the summer of punk. That was also a connection to it as well, but like, but no, but what I'm saying is to your like, which was the reason cause I think they said.
Speaker 2:I'm pretty certain they mentioned it the fact that the original Pipe Bomb happened this month.
Speaker 1:Next Friday would be the anniversary of the Pipe Bomb, but I'm just like I don't care If they did say that I think I might have marked out so hard that I didn't even realize that, because when I they had to hard that I didn't even realize that, because when I they had to, because I don't give a fuck about CM Punk like that, especially back then.
Speaker 2:So it's like I wouldn't have just known that it was this month the pipe bomb happened. I didn't know either.
Speaker 1:I didn't know either, and my thing was, even if it was the case, I was more. It was more of the fact that, like, oh shit, what is he going to say? Like, what is he? Cause he is a WWE guy. So if you're going to do a pipe bomb, how is this going to be a pipe bomb?
Speaker 2:Because when sorry, go ahead, maz Maz. I have to know what did he say?
Speaker 1:So he talked about the fact that Punk is pretty much the opposite of what he said he was, that he's a TKO guy, and he did mention pretty much what CM Punk already said to us is that he's here for the money. He's not the voice of the voices anymore. You're a fucking millionaire. Like you're a big-ass hypocrite, right? Basically called him a hypocrite. In fact, like I, if anything, I'm really just staying true to who I am now granted, he did give those little hints which apparently I found out they might be also a little jab at coke cabana, from what I heard, because apparently the initials of Castagnoli I think it was, or who was somebody said that it was the same initials as Colt Cabana and they said it might be a jab to that and I was like what the fuck? That's a reach, that's what I'm saying. I was like that's a reach. But basically everybody he had mentioned were old, old wwe guys and some people were saying the fact. Well, to me, when I heard it too, it was one acknowledging aew, acknowledging the competition and acknowledging the fact that, you know, I am the last piece of wrestling, I'm the greatest of all time, right, and even if you look at the original pipe bomb.
Speaker 1:The only shit that really hit home is when he actually started talking about stuff backstage, right For Cena's situation. Yes, he is pointing out that CM Punk is a fucking fraud. He is pointing out that the establishment itself, that WWE you know this is the last champion that you're going to have, and also hinted to certain people that were I think they were they did wrong, like Castagnoli and all those people. He like hinted to those people. So that was the pipe bomb for me and the nostalgic piece behind it. So a part of it was again marking out because, oh shit, he's doing a pipe, mom. But it was marking out to hear what the fuck he was gonna say. And that's also what I wanted to hear how you felt about. It was like, with the shit he said, what did you think? And here I'm just hearing his trash.
Speaker 2:He did not say anything. To me, there was like, let me put it this way, if you would have taken what he said in that pipe bomb, and then next week John Cena comes out to the ring and CM Punk comes out to the ring and they have one of their Cody John Cena discussion moments in the ring that they had before would have been the same thing. He did not say anything new, he did not say anything explosive and, if anything, the way that he was doing this whole thing. He was so fucking goofy to me.
Speaker 1:That's the part that took me out.
Speaker 2:I couldn't no, that's.
Speaker 1:John Cena just trying to be John Cena.
Speaker 2:John Cena yes.
Speaker 1:He's never had an intimidating face ever, bro, never.
Speaker 2:Let me put it this way, because when the original pipe bomb happened, this was during a time when I absolutely hated cm punk as a wrestler, as a person as an entity yeah, no, I. I mean, I hated john cena too, but I hated punk, you hated punk oh god yes hey, that's interesting I did not like punk because of because the type of person that he was and the type of person that in the way he presented himself because he doesn't drink I have the ring. No, no, listen. 2011.
Speaker 1:I didn't drink bro, what are you?
Speaker 2:talking about. Well, I was 20 at that time, and when I was 20, I did not drink liquor until I was almost 22,.
Speaker 1:bro, nah, I tried to pass out, so it had nothing to do with that.
Speaker 2:I just had to hit you with that for a second bro, you good, but like, yeah, no, but it had nothing to do with that. It was just I just didn't like CM Punk. I, yeah, no, but it had nothing to do with that. It was just I just didn't like cn punk. I mean, grant, I didn't like him because he was also a heel. But then there was just things that I heard about the way that cn punk carried himself and how much of a dick he is.
Speaker 2:Yeah, some people to people and like just the shit that he would say, and I was just like wow no cn punk's a shitty person and some people still thinks he is, but it was like but even then, at least when CM Punk did the pipe bomb, back then, like with the stuff that he was saying and the way that he said it, and like the passion that he had behind it and everything, though I didn't give a fuck about him. I heard what he had to say and I believed it and everything, though I didn't give a fuck about him. I heard what he had to say and I believed it and I was all like, oh, he's really airing out some dirty laundry right now.
Speaker 1:John.
Speaker 2:Cena just like and it's like John Cena can have a serious face. But through this whole Pipebomb thing it was a parody. As far as I'm concerned it was a goofy-ass parody and, like I, said everything that he said. He didn't say new information. He did say things that a lot of us were joking about with CM Punk because of the whole a-rap money and all this other stuff and you know he said this, but now he's going over there doing this and stuff like that.
Speaker 2:So like there are certain things that he said, but it's like the way that he said it in those in the like there was no dirt behind it. There was no pipe bomb explosion behind the stuff that he was saying. So what if he said Claudio Castagnoli's name? We talk about Moxley all the time in WWE, or at least Seth Rollins has Like been there, done that. Who cares? It's like it had no substance.
Speaker 2:It was stupid can we also talk about cm punk sitting there for like ever, and that was also kind of comical too, but like, but john c did the same thing, which is why I was all like this is just a goofy imitation.
Speaker 1:There's a difference between the seated situation when he was on the ground, because Punk was always at the ramp Right, so he would have to make an effort to come to him, while Punk is just in the ring just like sleeping. Oh, this is my therapy session.
Speaker 2:Okay, he's just sitting there, sleep, slumped in between the tape.
Speaker 1:well, hey, just guess what swag. He sold an AA. You got some selling. Well, you guys, this has been a great podcast.
Speaker 2:I'm glad we got to get the few talking points that we got in. You know what I'm saying? This is your boy Swag Switcher in the building and yeah, y'all have a good one for real. It's just fun. Turn the TV off for real, yo it's just fun.
Speaker 1:Turn the TV off Yo. Turn the TV off. Turn the TV off Yo. That is hilarious, bro, the number one thing. But he sold it.
Speaker 2:Now listen. We say this now After they have their match. I swear to God, cm Punk, kicked out of one AA. I'm on your ass, pause. But I'm on your ass, pause, okay, because I'll be like hey yo, where was that?
Speaker 1:selling.
Speaker 2:Where was the?
Speaker 1:selling. Then he got hit with the belt though yeah, he got hit with the belt. He got hit with the belt though yeah, yeah, he got hit with the belt.
Speaker 2:Okay, sure, yeah, yeah, yeah he was really selling the belt. The AA was just get out of my face, get out of my face. Oh my god bro oh my god absolute madness. You should be as shady as.
Speaker 1:Oh my god. Yes, that was hilarious.
Speaker 2:Can't even look at you.
Speaker 1:Take a moment. Take a moment Pleasure. So what I'm getting Pipebomb was trash to you. What I feel is really trash is that the Ron Killings mask was just for show.
Speaker 2:Oh, bro, that that just stacks on top of the whole situation with the Pipe Bomb. So I'm like Now you want to talk about something that was good on SmackDown, Jacob and Solo's promo. That that was good, that whole thing Freaking Solo out here trying to like get Jacob to accept his apology and all this other stuff, and Jacob was all like nah, nah, bro, I don't want to hear that shit. Only way we're gonna get this federal and fixed up is if you see me in this ring and we can put the title on the line. But just know if you cross that line.
Speaker 1:I'ma hurt you. Here's the thing, though. So basically, we fight it out in family feud, but are we good after that?
Speaker 2:that's a good question, but which? That is a good question, but I don't think they're gonna to be good. I know, Especially after you know, considering what was said. However, what I'm now interested in is like what big Jim going to have to do in all of this, because he showed up and he helped Jacob out. So I'm just like, hmm, what we cooking up with this right here?
Speaker 1:When you about to tag with your brother again. Damn it, you ain't about to do that. You about to tag with your brother again.
Speaker 2:It's so funny the fact that, like you know, you were so excited about this John Cena and CM Punk thing and there was so many better, so many better things that happened on SmackDown.
Speaker 1:I was excited to hear what shit you were gonna say about it, like because I knew you were gonna give it shit.
Speaker 1:I was excited so you already knew I was gonna say that shit yeah, because I was like I know fucking swag is gonna fucking think to fucking wild shit. I knew it and I mark it out. Huh, I'm marking out, huh, I'm like, is it wild, though, but it was what you were gonna say. You know how. You know your one friend, if you were next to each other when the shit happened, you know, the moment itself would have been fucking iconic, because you've been talking about this fucking bitch ass like I'll be honest with you.
Speaker 2:I'm sitting here looking at this computer watching. As a matter of fact, it was right here where my picture is, right here. Right, I'm watching. And, bro, the longer it went on, the more I cringed. That shit had me cringing. And that's what I want to see, and to add to the fact of like, because I do agree with you, it was different when CM Punk did it from the Titan Tron, because you didn't see John, they didn't have it on John Cena, the whole time.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you might see him every once in a while.
Speaker 2:Like ugh, ugh, you know he slumped up against the turnbuckle so he's like, ah, that shit did hurt, but like just awkwardly sitting. But CM Punk, because he's right there, cm Punk's got some of that shit like that, put him out for life.
Speaker 1:Like I'm just like, like there's no medical attention, no, nothing. Yes, all of that Mm-hmm. I feel like that would've made it better though.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah, if they had other people checking on him in the ring In both ways? Yes, for sure, both ways, but at the same time, because of the fact that they only looked at John Cena a couple of times, but they mostly focused on CM Punk, and so it was like, because of that, it didn't feel as awkward, because they're both just right fucking there and CM Punk has to sell.
Speaker 1:Pause. Can we also remember the fact that it was a Slim Jim's fucking table, so the pipe bomb was sponsored by Slim Jim. Did you forget that part? Yeah, WWE.
Speaker 2:I didn't forget. Let me put it this way because I did acknowledge it and I only acknowledge I. And the only time I acknowledged it was when john cena went under the ring and pulled off the table. I was in it only because of like, because other people on the internet complain about that shit so much. That was the only reason why I acknowledged it. The one time I was like he pulls it on, like oh, I guess the rest of this segment is sponsored by Slim Jim huh. Then he puts him through the table and then John Cena sits on a turnbuckle and I'm like okay, what's happening? Okay, what's happening?
Speaker 2:And how I knew that this was about to be some goofy-ass shit was when he like he starts talking, right, but his microphone's working just fine, but he's acting as if they tried to cut it off on him. They didn't, by the way, like they didn't cut the microphone off on him. Like, so he's talking, and then he just does the whole thing and it's like and that's when I'm like wait, is he trying to? Like, do the pipe bomb? This is so fabricated Because they didn't turn his mic off. And then he's actually all like oh what, you afraid of what I'm going to say, while in my mind I just see the guy on the other end, like what do you mean? The mic's on, what are you doing?
Speaker 1:like like cena. What are you talking about, bro? I see the dog, he's like.
Speaker 2:He's like what are you afraid of? This was like no, no, the mic's on, you're good, you're good, go ahead, I turned it on, it's good, like it was like. And then he starts going and I'm just like, okay, okay, and I heard everything he had to say, but I'm just like, and he's giving all these facial expressions and you know it was a joke, plain and simple. The John Cena pipe bomb was a joke, plain and simple. Damn, the John Cena pipe bomb was a fucking joke, holy shit, where CM Punk did a pipe bomb. You know those fucking, those little white TNT packs that you throw on the ground.
Speaker 1:He did the sprinklers from the death match is what you're telling me not even sprinklers.
Speaker 2:So the death match is what you're telling me Not even sprinklers. You know those?
Speaker 1:Those little pop things that we throw them now.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah that was a popper. That's what John Cena gave. He gave a popper. That's all that was for me. Okay, you know what was better than that pipe bomb? Yeah, go ahead, oscar, going to the finals. You got it, goddamn right, oscar going to the finals on SmackDown Goddamn right, you know what was better than the pipe bomb? Randy Orton's match. Hell. You know what was better than the pipe bomb Hangman coming on AEW and speaking on both promo and fan.
Speaker 1:Bro, that shit was cold-blooded, bro, that shit was fire.
Speaker 2:Now, I popped for that.
Speaker 1:I remember watching it because they translated it too. They did an upload where they translated it. I was like yo, like I'm finally going to be able to learn Spanish, my bro, what's up. They did an upload where they translated it. I was like yo, like I finally learned Spanish, my bro, what's up you feel me I was like now that's what I call cowboy shit.
Speaker 2:Right there, that's the cowboy shit.
Speaker 1:I mean cause you will, as a cowboy you do often times do with some Mexicans exactly which when he first came out and then he started talking in Spanish.
Speaker 2:I was like, huh, maybe that's a little like.
Speaker 1:I was thinking maybe he'd just say hola, and then maybe, like I'm you know something small and then finish the rest. No, he kept going.
Speaker 2:Oh he kept going. And the more he kept going I was all like, okay cowboy, oh you on some real cowboy shit tonight. Go ahead, I'll find out what you said later. I like this and he did it very. It's funny. There were certain things that he said where it's all like boy, he sound real white saying that in Spanish, but which I like to call my wife, his spicy wife.
Speaker 1:She gave me she dap me up earlier she was having me like help her up and you know how the contact of the dap it was, it was solid and I was like I went with them but continue.
Speaker 2:Have I ever showed you the dap up tournament videos?
Speaker 1:is that the where Kaisa and I did?
Speaker 2:wait, I forget. I don't remember Kaisa and I Kaisa and I did uh, wait, I forget. I don't remember kaisa.
Speaker 1:Not though kaisa not did a uh a thing back in the day where he was in like a he's like a prison scenario and they were like trying to find something fun to do. So what they did was get in a circle and they'll just dap up everybody till they get the most solid dap oh, it's not that, and because you have not seen, I'll hook you up later.
Speaker 2:Yeah, but yeah, which. When it comes to AEW, that was the only thing that was really noteworthy. Aew was the. I think that was the first time I felt like I watched like a full on filler episode of wrestling.
Speaker 1:Last day Like in a bad way well, for viewing purposes. No, because it was all good wrestling, because that's what aew does but when you said filler, I was thinking like, okay, this was a pointless thing.
Speaker 2:Yes, Okay as in, just because, like filler episodes, they're fun to watch but they don't do anything to progress the plot. Okay, and nothing progressed plot-wise on the. It was what did they call it? The?
Speaker 1:uh, aztec, aztec.
Speaker 2:Um, it's aztec, something I know I can't remember off the tip of my tongue because they was in that famous arena in mexico and stuff and so like it was. It was the biggest filler episode where I mean truly nothing progressed, nothing progressed. Well, I mean, I guess, if you want to say, the only thing that I guess you would say is still canon as far as anything that happened is the fact that Mercedes got her 1,000th one time.
Speaker 1:She got another fucking belt bro.
Speaker 2:And the match wasn't even that good. The match was. It felt forced. It felt forced and rushed and it was really quick.
Speaker 1:Tony told CMML Ayo, I know you want to do this shit because WWE Monet got to get the belt. Because I mark out for Monet, she sends me feet pics.
Speaker 2:And I feel like her feet probably ain't even that great that's crazy, that's crazy, but no, I'm just saying.
Speaker 1:You remember she had a whole friend service we even talked about in a previous episode, for that specific dollar amount. What makes you think Tony's like, hey, monet, where you at? She's like I'm out here getting a pedicure done, where, let me see that pedicure, let me see that, let me see that. Anyway, let's continue. What were the other great things about this week? Because now we're finally actually going into the wonderful week of wrestling.
Speaker 2:I mean so Well, do we want to talk about the great things or like the stuff that's ass?
Speaker 1:We can talk about the good, the bad and the ugly.
Speaker 2:Oh, that's a good, all right. So in that case, if we're talking good, bad and ugly, oh, that's a good, all right. So in that case, uh, if we're talking good, bad and ugly, um number one, um, I have to say I am absolutely down with uh trick williams and the things that he's doing with first class. I will agree, um, like that shit has been fantastic. Also, the glamour signing her contract and facing up with the Women's Champion. A lot of people are saying the fact that they're going to give her the belt, like ASAP. Yeah, she is Like, she's good, like, because they're having this whole tournament right now, right On NXT. Who? Who I think was Jay Parker Lash Legend. What's her name? Like Izzy Dane or whatever?
Speaker 2:and for some reason I forgot who was the last person to get the spot. But this next coming NXT they're supposed to be having a match to see who's going to be the number. But this next coming NXT they're supposed to be having a match to see who's going to be the number one. Contenders for the title, kind of thing. I think that person's supposed to fight at the all-woman's pay-per-view. That's supposed to be coming up. Evolution, yeah, the evolution, and so that whole thing is going on. I did make a note the fact that Lash Legends theme song sounds goofy as hell. It sounds rebel. It doesn't sound good. It's so weird. But I also need to see how do you feel about the new Mariah Mae? I forget what they gave her name now.
Speaker 1:Because I just called her.
Speaker 2:Miss Glamour.
Speaker 1:Blake Monroe. There it is. Yeah, you go, Blake Monroe. I know Marilyn Monroe is connected to it.
Speaker 2:How do you feel about this gimmick right now that she's got?
Speaker 1:I mean, it's literally timeless.
Speaker 2:Is that all you got?
Speaker 1:I mean because it's literally the same shit. It's just now. She's more of a Instead of the old school movie scenario with Toni Storm. This is more of a updated version, I guess, but she's still the same woman, it's just the name is when Toni Storm is timeless.
Speaker 2:You know, old school era, early to late 1940s. Film Monroe is mid to late 50s. She has color, kind of showing Exactly Literally she has color. She has color, showing exactly literally she has color, and so that that's the perfect way to put it. I was just, I was curious to see what was your take on her, considering the fact that you know tony storm is your woman and everything. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1:Like she's timeless. Um, uh. I feel like I mean, the gimmick is great. I'm gonna see how she does it in. You know, nxt. The thing that tony does that makes the gimmick great for me she does amazing funny ass promos. Her wrestling is. It's good, but it's the character that sells me more than anything else. So with uh monroe, if she has either one a similar character or similar style, now we're going to be put into the situation oh, I agree, I'm.
Speaker 2:I myself am eager to see how glamorous versus timeless is going to kind of sort of portray itself as these two different entities. Because I just wanted to see if you were also going to say because I didn't want to outright say it myself. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean everybody else is definitely saying that, like a lot of people are saying it's like so, she's just a rip off. Uh, tony Storm is what we're doing right now, literally and so and so, like I mean it is but, but also a part of it.
Speaker 1:A part of it could be the fact that, like Tony and her are probably really cool friends and she's like, hey, you know what, take it and go to WWE. You know cause some Take it and go to WWE? You know Because some wrestlers do that.
Speaker 2:I wish I could get confirmation on that, because you say some wrestlers do that.
Speaker 1:Well, with moves, especially Wrestlers that.
Speaker 2:Do that usually nine times out of ten're like, yeah, you can do it, because I'm fucking retired and I'm not doing it anymore. Timeless toady storm. She is white hot.
Speaker 2:Right now she is prime okay she's undeniable, she's undeniable sure where, because she's in the spot that she's in right now. For our glamorous one to be doing what she's doing right now and be so close to Tony Storm. Listen, you know, in the past there are dudes who said I would have pulled a gun on that motherfucker if he tried to take my try to use my gimmick like get out of here while I'm still actively doing it.
Speaker 2:I'm interested to see, because the difference right now and I can't even say the difference, I would say what makes Tony Storm what she is right now, and I can't even say the difference, I would say what makes tony storm what she is right now is the fact that she not just full tilt, she just completely flatline, falls into her gimmick that she has put in. She goes 120 percent in on this timeless thing, which you have to, because if you don't do that then it comes off very Dr Yankum's-ish.
Speaker 2:And so I'm curious to see how far of a tilt into this 1950s glamour that we're going to go into, aka timeless with color. I'm very interested to see how, if she's going to go full tilt into it or if this is just a tap, because right now it's too early to see. It's too early to see completely, but it looks like they're trying to touch into it. But I'm like if she's gonna use this as a gimmick, she's gotta go full gimmick, not gimmick in the sense that, yeah, this is like my thing, but I'm just going to still be a normal person. So so there is that um and so I guess now to the the bad and the ugly stuff here.
Speaker 2:I did bring up about Asuka, but damn, I'm so glad she's back bro. I missed her so much and she had such a strong match on Raw. However, I was just like man. They really put her. They already trying to give us that taste of her versus Stephanie ooh, okay, alright, y'all a little crazy for that. Rae trying to give us that taste of her versus Stephanie? Ooh, okay, all right, y'all a little crazy for that, unfortunately, liv Morgan fucked her shoulder.
Speaker 2:Hate to see it. Hate to see it. Shout out to Jey Uso winning, because he was the mystery person that got put into the Fatal 4-Way.
Speaker 1:Which a lot of people are really pissed about that.
Speaker 2:Are they pissed that he got put into it?
Speaker 1:Or are they mad that?
Speaker 2:Cody Rhodes came out there and completely took his shine away.
Speaker 1:No, it was pissed off that they could have put somebody else in that slot, but they put Jey U uso after he just lost the title. So he literally just lost the title and he's being put in the king of the ring where he can get another opportunity to get it back yes, and I'm actually glad you said that, because I also made the note of fact, like.
Speaker 2:So I guess that the rematch, rematch clause just doesn't exist anymore for people. We even brought that up too. Yeah, or did Jay not get a rematch clause in his contract? Because if not, I need somebody to start reading his contracts for him, because that's booty. Because, gunther, he got his rematch clause. Yeah, like he got his rematch clause and he cashed in on it and he got the belt back, but Jay has to go fight the king of the ring for it.
Speaker 1:Mm-hmm, you know what? Don't tell that to Rikishi, don't tell that to Rikishi, oh bro. Don't tell that to Rikishi.
Speaker 2:Listen, I saw a small piece of his crash out about his son losing, and then that leads us to the ugly.
Speaker 1:Oh, Goldberg oh please, jesus Christ, no, oh my god, oh man, that was a terrible promo but go ahead.
Speaker 2:Next World Heavyweight Champion no, he's not.
Speaker 1:No, he's not, no, he's not.
Speaker 2:Oh, now we're seeing Gunther winning this.
Speaker 1:Oh, you said, he better.
Speaker 2:Yes, yes, because he say, he better yes.
Speaker 1:You say he better? Yes, because he said he wants one match. Goldberg said he wanted him to retire him, so he's not going on another run, he's just doing a match. Okay, I guess we'll say he better, I'm supposed to. Everybody said that that was the reason with the whole matchup, like when they did it, bad blood or whatever was like to hype it up so that Goldberg can have his one final match and he was supposed to have it and it's supposed to be whatever he has. It is donezo, donezo. Yeah, do you not feel? Do you feel like he's gonna keep going?
Speaker 2:so when Goldberg gets the title, oh, buckaroo, tell me how it's going to run for you.
Speaker 1:How is that going to make you feel I'm going to say, hunter, how the fuck are you always complaining about the fans and how they hijack the show and do shit like that, and then you do shit like this, because then that's going to make me call him a bitch the problem is for me and because I hope that those words that I'm saying don't come to fruition.
Speaker 2:However, did you hear that Green Bay pop for Goldberg bro?
Speaker 1:I mean, it's Goldberg's thing, bro. When that shit comes on, you get hype.
Speaker 2:Did you hear how hype they was when he said that he was going to fight and fight for the title and all that stuff, bro?
Speaker 1:No, oh, you didn't. No, I mean they weren't. They shouldn't have been hyped, they shouldn't have.
Speaker 2:Bro, but they were. I know it was something that people was talking about. And boy, oh, boy, busted open that boy, dave Pham. I love his crash outfit Crash people was talking about.
Speaker 2:And boy, oh boy um busted open that boy, dave fam, I love crashed out, crash out his crash out sessions are so entertaining to watch and it's rightfully so, like I feel like he gets he crashed. Zion gets completely bent out of shape so that we don't have to. He's doing it for us. He is losing his, his sleep in his voice, so that we can sleep soundly at night when BS like this goes down like I.
Speaker 2:Just I think what I hate about it is the fact, like you know and he was touching on this is the fact that, like you know, we will complain. It's it is the problem with most wrestling fans is the fact that you know we'll complain about somebody else, but then we'll we'll forget in the same breath about the thing that we just said. Will complains like man. I hate when part-timers come in and take the spotlight.
Speaker 1:And then a part-timer comes in and does the thing.
Speaker 2:And then a part-timer comes in and is like man, I can't wait to see that match and it's all like you, just you, just Okay, alright, okay.
Speaker 1:It's how wrestling fans are finicky. Wrestling fans are finicky.
Speaker 2:Like it's it's, but yeah, Goldberg getting the belt. Reimash Claus is saying he's getting it, but yeah, goldberg getting the belt. Rematch clauses are dead, he said he's getting it.
Speaker 1:God damn bro.
Speaker 2:Rematch clauses are dead. Jey Uso gets outshined by Cody Rhodes, like Jey still can't cut a good promo. Four letters, one word. Jay still can't cut a good promo four letters, one word.
Speaker 1:I was trying to think of a word because you can't say ass, that's threes. Oops, isn't that more than four letters?
Speaker 2:no, I'm thinking of no, no, no, no, no no, no, no, no, no.
Speaker 1:Oops is right because it's two O's. Yeah, can't say trash, you can't say ass, can't say bad, none of those things come to mind. But we could all say those about his promos and it's just unfortunate because it's like if Rikishi's going to complain as much about you're not giving him a chance. Matter of fact, I can't even say Rikishi fakes his promos because you didn't even have a good promo game, sir, you didn't even have a good promo game.
Speaker 1:I was literally about to try to be like yo man help your son. You can't even help your son.
Speaker 2:You can't even do it Like fuck. What's the last? Besides, I did it for the Rock. What was the last promo?
Speaker 1:He did a good one against Austin. He's like Austin, this is where I ran your ass up. That was like that one sentence. That one sentence was like oh shit, everything else Nope.
Speaker 2:That's not a promo, that's a statement. That's a statement, man.
Speaker 1:I know, but it's like fuck. It was a part of that promo.
Speaker 2:Give me one iconic. That one, one iconic. That's not that I did it for the rock damn that nigga ain't got one fucking thing shit besides the fact that he could dance his ass off no pun intended, but yeah nah, bro, just it's ass off, no pun intended, yeah.
Speaker 1:Nah bro, it's God damn.
Speaker 2:The wrong twin got it. Man, it is what it is the wrong twin got it. I stand by that.
Speaker 1:Yeah, the wrong twin did get it, you're all right.
Speaker 2:I stand by that.
Speaker 1:Here's the thing Jay ain't winning, like Jim is right now. Do you see how? Naomi's right now? Bro, that nigga, he always be winning, but that nigga is really winning right now.
Speaker 2:Damn listen, I mean. He don't need the boat. God bless Naomi for keeping Big Jim relevant. He don't need the boat, god bless. God bless Naomi for keeping Big Jim relevant damn, damn, damn, bro, for real bro, I love my Usos. Alright, dog, I love them, but Big Jim is. Big Jim is spinning wheels. He's trying to get it in where he could possibly fit it in. Okay, and the only place he managed to get that was by trying to jump in and help out the United States champion who, just so happily, is his cousin.
Speaker 1:That shit's crazy, that shit's crazy, that shit's crazy.
Speaker 2:So because like he's not, he's in, he's like in spotty matches, you know, not doing nothing, he's not doing anything, and it's like he's the oosh that can hold a promo. And he ain't had a mic in his hand since Gunther made him drink his own blood.
Speaker 1:Hey look man, he's also the only person that slapped the piss out of Gunther and lived to tell the tale.
Speaker 2:Yeah, because Jay didn't do it, jay.
Speaker 1:Only told him go talk to your mama and embarrassed him.
Speaker 2:You know, man, it's some wild foolishness out here right now, like I mean lo and behold, great matches, but there's people are so up in arms about this goldberg thing, like the way people feel about jay has been like, when I see people who know wrestling, they're just all like yep jay's the lost cause. The people who I know who watch wrestling, who are like big fans, are all like I wish you would say something like yep jay's the last cause. The people who I know who watch wrestling, who are like big fans, are all like I wish you would say something foul about jay. So I'll beat the shit out of you. Like like people real strongly for jay, but at the end of the day, I'm just like man, jay can't do it for himself right now. Like and you know, if they could put put Jay in a spot where he did not have to give him promos, because it's not like he gives bad matches, his matches are great, the yeeting is fun.
Speaker 1:No, that's the video I wanted to see Dude working at a firehouse sub and he's yeeting, he's doing it in the office and I think his manager comes up and turns that shit. The fuck Turns it off. But I see that on your Facebook message. Damn he, just he just doing it hard, he hard body, he into it. And you just see the employee come up to the radio. Just the fuck, I'm a little poor.
Speaker 1:Ruka, but yes, speaking of, Before we go into anything else, real quick, we're talking about all the yes, it's Facebook Messenger, by the way, it's Facebook Messenger. All this reminds me of the original topic that I want to bring up, which I'm gonna probably bring it up for next episode. Give you a chance to. I'm gonna. I try to not give you too much time to prep, but I'm gonna treat you like batman today. I'm gonna give you some prep because because we've already had this scenario where we thought we knew each other as wrestling fans when it comes to music I want to know, unanimous, what are our top, fucking favorite wrestling games of all time, top tens. I want to know because I already know we have one. We have one that will probably rank in the same category and that's a given, but now I want to know what other games in that ranking system for you, is your top 10.
Speaker 2:That's a heavy one.
Speaker 1:There's one that I know absolutely we're probably going to rank as boom. Yeah, like we can shake hands but the other ones out of a top 10. And this will be hard for me too, because that's going to be like a full. And this doesn't have to be just WWE, by the way. It could be any wrestling game it could have. It could be the car racing game, it could be the whatever, even the mobile immortals game If that was your shit, boom, whatever. But it has to involve wrestling.
Speaker 2:Fam. I'm not gonna lie, I wish Wrestling Immortals was just a console game. I really wish that we could just got Wrestling Mortal Kombat, because that would have been lit.
Speaker 1:That game would have been a thousand times more playable and fun but before we end off today's episode, I want to say again, guys, thank you so much for sitting out here watching us ramble talk about the things that we love about wrestling, the passion that we have behind wrestling. As wrestling fans for multiple years, I mean, this is what we're going to do. That's what every wrestling fan is going to do. We're going to have these moments where we could sit here for hours and just shit on one situation scenario. Give hypotheticals, all that kind of stuff. That's just what we do, right, and we appreciate you guys being. One situation scenario. Give hypotheticals, all that kind of stuff. That's just what we do, right, and we appreciate you guys being here along the journey.
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Speaker 2:It's the Masako, and it's your boy. Swag Switcher in the building and until next time.
Speaker 1:Saddle me out, I like it.