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The nostalgic power of wrestling video games takes center stage as we count down our definitive top 10 wrestling games of all time. From arcade classics to modern innovations, we dive deep into what makes these virtual wrestling experiences truly special, culminating with our unanimous champion – WWF No Mercy.
Before our gaming countdown, we tackle the week's hottest wrestling controversies. Was John Cena's recent "pipe bomb" promo truly deserving of the hype? We break down why it falls short compared to CM Punk's original, despite WWE's attempts to elevate it to legendary status. We also question the wrestling community's sudden positioning of Mercedes Moné as one of the top two female wrestlers in the world, examining why this narrative feels forced and overlooking more deserving talents.
Our Charlotte Flair discussion reveals fundamental differences in how we view character development. While one host sees her queenly evolution as compelling storytelling, the other challenges the lack of humanizing flaws that would make her more relatable to audiences. This spirited debate highlights why wrestling fans often have dramatically different reactions to the same performers.
The SmackDown tag team division gets our passionate advocacy as we explain why these incredible teams deserve better showcase opportunities. We argue that their recent TV matches have been pay-per-view worthy, yet WWE continues to underutilize this division's potential on bigger stages.
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Speaker 2:It's the masako and it's your boy. Double jb swag switch in the building.
Speaker 1:You know what it is so, uh, I'm trying to be very formal with the microphone set up now. I'm trying to be very broadcast heavy, coming in with the news, and we got some crazy things to talk about today. But one thing I'm really looking forward to is seeing what's me and Swag Switch's top five wrestling games of all time. And again, when we're saying that topic of wrestling games, it can be from any genre. It can be from WWE, aew, ecw, it doesn't matter where, but it's in the category of wrestling game. That is the main thing. It has to be a wrestling game of some sort. Hold on.
Speaker 2:It was supposed to be top five.
Speaker 1:Top ten, excuse me, top ten, top ten, my bad Top ten.
Speaker 2:That was a clinical error for be top 10, top 10, my bad top 10.
Speaker 1:That was, uh, okay, aware of me? Yep, I was about to say I was like, because that means I overachieved once again. No, no, no, that's supposed to be top 10, top 10 and um. So, with the idea of top 10 wrestling games of all time, it could be from anywhere, but as we go into the episode, we're gonna go into the wild world of wrestling segment that is Swag Switcher. Please tell me what is the wild and crazy things you've seen in the wrestling world this week?
Speaker 2:Well, to kind of do a little backtrack here on things that have been going on in wrestling, I personally had to do some soul searching because, as we all know, the pipe bomb that happened with John Cena, everybody has been saying, oh, it's the greatest thing since sliced bread. It's this, it's that, it's then the other. And I don't think and I don't think and I still don't think it is. I even went back to watch it to see is there something that I'm missing? And no, I didn't miss anything. It is out of all the people who I went back because I thought I was the problem, and maybe I still am. But with all the people who I went back to, like, I thought I was the problem and maybe I still am. But, like with all the people who I went back to go watch them do their version of this pipe bomb and stuff like, or their see their views on it. I do believe I think their WrestleTalk. The two English guys, yeah, yeah, yeah. I think.
Speaker 2:Out of everyone who I listen to, I think they align the most with my views on the pipe bomb and it's the fact that, no, it is not the greatest promo ever.
Speaker 2:It's not even the greatest promo that has happened this year across the board, okay, okay, it it wasn't. Listen, I will argue it till I'm blue in the face Hangman, adam Page and Will Ospreay for the number one contenders match and also for the Owen Hart Challenge title. That promo that they had going into that match flawless, it was flawless, it was perfection. That was the standard for promos this year and no one is meeting that, or at least no one has been able to meet that yet and I don't think anyone will as far as this year goes. But what they said, they really hit the nail on the head. And it's the fact that it was meant to be John Cena poking fun at CM Punk, because it's John Cena saying like, hey, you did this pipe bomb thing, look, I can do it too and I can make people like it just as much as they liked it when you did it. It's the whole, it's because it really peers into their whole situation that they had, where the roles are reversed. Yeah.
Speaker 2:You know, as WWE has been put in this whole yin yang situation, and so with that, I feel as if, like, out of everyone, like they're the ones that I think they kind of like they align with my feelings, though they actually still thought it was good, I thought it was meh. You know what I'm saying because like and another man.
Speaker 2:Okay, oh, and the other thing was, which they also touched on, is the fact that because I also agree is not only is the fact that, like cena did not really say anything very pipe bomb worthy nah, he didn't drop no like dirty laundry or anything like that but I think the other piece which, like, as they said, I'm like I think I fall into that category Since the very first pipe bombs, right Since the very first pipe bomb that he dropped over 10 years ago, how many pipe bombs have we had since then? Supposed pipe bombs We've had plenty.
Speaker 1:I don't know if carrying cross is technically. You know that promo had since then Supposed pipe bombs. We've had plenty. I don't know if carrying cross is technically. You know that promo he did recently, but people call it a pipe bomb. Yeah, yeah, yeah yeah, because he said fuck Jungle Boy dropped a pipe.
Speaker 2:Jungle Boy dropped a pipe bomb. Yeah, the Bucks have dropped their own pipe. These pipe bombs you know, what is considered definition wise exactly so it's like ever since CM Punk's pipe bomb. There's been several pipe bombs that have happened since then, where if you're gonna drop a pipe bomb, it actually needs to explode.
Speaker 1:I think that's the thing about wrestling is everybody wants the next drama, the next thing that gets people talking, and so you kind of push things in pipe bomb territory just for the sake of calling it a pipe bomb, because there have been multiple shoot interviews from people like Simon Gotch I think it was Simon Gotch, the one, the guy from what was that tag team where it was like back in the Stone Age Wow, they were in Stone Age.
Speaker 2:You're talking about the Vaudevillians.
Speaker 1:Yeah, vaudevillians, but yes, you're talking about.
Speaker 2:Simon Gotch. So vod villains? Yeah, homie, but yes, you're talking about simon gosh. Yeah, so I was right okay, so I was right.
Speaker 1:Um, but yeah, but everybody considers that shoot promo on him on enzo amore as like a very strong shoot in. In all reality that's the equivalent of a pipe bomb. You're shooting really hard on something and exposing the business or exposing that thing that's going on in the business. So it's like that to me, you know is a level of a pipe bomb, but nobody calls it a pipe bomb, because a pipe bomb, I guess, to people is when you're on stage in front of people, you're saying the things, you're breaking the fourth wall, you're exposing the business in real time in front of people. There's no person that can cut your mind, cut your fee, because you're saying too much. And and that's where John Cena's failed, because even when he said yo, they didn't turn off my mic. It's like because you're not saying anything, you're not saying anything.
Speaker 2:There was a. There was a bit like when he said that part, there was actually a very small comment that he made that I did not catch the first time. That was kind of funny because he was all like because he did, you know, we did the. Are y'all gonna come to this? Like? Because, like he's like did y'all cut my mic? You know they obviously didn't. And then he was like of course, did y'all cut my mic? You know, it's like they obviously didn't. And then he was like, of course they're not gonna cut my mic off.
Speaker 1:It was like I was like oh okay, I missed that dig yeah, that's why I was wondering if you saw that too, because, um, that was a a dig at, uh, just the whole nature of the pipe bomb itself, because it's like, yeah, it's Cena they cut off CM Punk, but they're not gonna cut me off. I'm John motherfucking Cena that is a big thing but, yeah.
Speaker 2:I just wanted to touch back on that, the fact that I did go back. I thought I was crazy after I watched Busted Open the whole pipe bomb situation. I was crazy After I watched Busted Open. They're just like the whole pipe bomb situation. I was like, oh my God, did I watch the same thing? Because Mark Henry Bubba Ray out here greatest thing ever. Call me if you think otherwise. I wanted to. I'm like geez. Yeah they were definitely glazing it. There was more than glaze fam. That shit was Krispy Kreme worthy, my guy.
Speaker 1:They were gargling everything.
Speaker 2:Like it was Rhea's bathwater, brother, like it was Rhea's bathwater, it was going hard. I was just like which was which? Then I had to like. Then I watched a couple of other videos and like, yeah, no, everyone thought it was the most beautiful thing they've ever seen. Now, speaking of that particular thought process, I need to get your opinion because maybe I'm missing and I know you're, probably. I think you're a bit about aligned, as I am, with this thought process, but since when did Sasha Banks, mercedes Monet, become in the top two for greatest women's wrestlers in the universe right now? Who the fuck said that? Shit? Everybody, brother. I don't understand why there's so many people who are like CEO is the greatest wrestler of all time, right?
Speaker 1:Nope, greatest female wrestler of all time, almost sharing the spotlight with Io Shirai, is what they're saying here's the thing Charlotte Flair is gonna be considered a better candidate for that before Sasha ever even put in the category. I'm sorry as much as we don't like. Well, you obviously is the queen to you, um, but everybody else will probably consider her as greatest of all time before even sasha's, even in the conversation. Okay, sasha, it's honestly I won't say a lackey, but if charlotte is on the throne, uh, sasha is definitely one of the seconds in command, or some people that's nearby as an attack dog. You know, like I could not.
Speaker 2:I would have put bailey before sasha banks hell fucking. Yes, hell yes, like no, no, she still beats Becky Lynch, in my opinion, though I'm not even gonna try, I'm sorry, okay, okay okay, real quick, real quick, because we're gonna talk about this.
Speaker 1:If we're talking about the four horsemen category, alright. Now, if we're talking about the four horsewomen, I'm specifically just talking about the four horsewomen.
Speaker 2:I'm specifically just talking about the four horsewomen. Okay, Because, I'm not bringing in people like Asuka and stuff like that.
Speaker 1:If we're doing that right now Charlotte is still on top it's going to be Bayley, and I'm sorry, I will put Becky over over sasha. Right, I will put becky over sasha. Yeah, you can look at me that way all you want to. I'm putting becky over sasha because, here's the thing, at least becky had character development. Sasha is the same fucking character. There's no development in her. All right, can we? Can we at least agree on that? Like, because becky, yeah, she became the man and then at least, when she left that and she became, um, the, the hollywood version of her, like, she at least changed, she at least developed. And even now, on this run, even though she's intercontinental champion there is a story there CEO is still doing that dumb ass dance Like I loved it when she was first doing it as the boss, but now, as she's doing it as CEO, it's starting to piss me off, because it's like, bro, like why are you dancing?
Speaker 2:An interesting observation I've seen people make about with uh, with her right, because, as is being said, she left the wwe outside of there.
Speaker 2:Was that one issue that caused her and um naomi to dip, yeah, but aside from that, she felt like as if she was not getting the opportunities she wanted. You know, there was that whole thing where I guess they felt she felt like as if she was not getting the opportunities she wanted. You know, there was that whole thing where I guess they felt she felt that people were saying that she was feeling like uh, you know, like charlotte flair was getting all of the attention and getting all of the titles and the opportunities and people like her wasn't getting anywhere, and so she left now. And she left because she wanted to get, she wanted to have better opportunities and these, you know, wanted to bring and make women's wrestling better. However, she's not doing that. Which I can I easily can agree with this is the fact that in her push to try and get these better opportunities, she has made herself no better than early Charlotte Flair, comparably speaking.
Speaker 2:I mean yeah, yeah, yeah, look out, Tell me. Well, I won't say tell me, but I am going to say this to you is the fact that when you look at the AEW women's division, right, tony Khan, aew has put so powerful of a focus on Mercedes Monet that the rest of the women's division has become an afterthought, a full on afterthought.
Speaker 2:It's literally Tony or nothing, and the problem is they've kind of worked themselves into a bit of a shoe, because when you look at this match right now, outside of the fact that they're doing a horrible job of promoting it right, and the fact that I will say on AEW, sasha gave, comparatively speaking, a good promo, was not great. Still, give me Monet. Oh, yeah, monet. Sorry, I was like when you said Sasha.
Speaker 1:I was just trying to confirm.
Speaker 2:CEO. She gave probably one of her better promos on AEW, or no? Or was that AEW? No, I think that was actually on Collision when she had that little promo. But the only problem is the fact that I feel as if she's doing this a little too late in this feud, because at this point it's who cares, which is unfortunately a lot of stuff going on with AEW right now. It's like who's really caring, but it's like Mercedes has Mercedes because apparently, from what I've heard through the grapevine of looking at a couple of videos, apparently Mercedes Monet listen she's in her Hulk Hogan era right now, like she has creative control over what she's doing right now.
Speaker 1:I will agree, and I also feel like it's Kurt Angle with all the belts at one point too, because she has all the belts. But Kurt Angle had, like the X Division, the World Heavyweight, the tag like he had all the belts but there's a way to do it.
Speaker 2:There's a way to do it where, instead of literally burying all of the talent on AEW which she has effectively done, so you know there's a way to make it at least credible, where some of these other girls like mean something because, like right now, with the way that this match goes, there's tony storm and then there's her. Now, unless on this next show, mercedes drops that tbs title, which would be crazy, I don't think that's going to happen. But unless she drops this tbs title, it's like what's what are we? What's what happens with this match? Because either mercedes beats tony storm and now mercedes is, has effectively become the final boss, as she has, you know, a thousand and two belts now and so, like, obviously nobody can beat her or year with her, they're going to just flush it down the toilet so that Tony Storm gets a W. That, in a tactical sense, doesn't do anything for her so Tony doesn't need the win, but neither does Monet.
Speaker 1:I mean, this is the thing about this match is the unfortunate that Monet is going to win? I feel that because I don't know what story they're going to tell if she doesn't, because this will be like what? Her first loss? Because she hasn't lost anything.
Speaker 2:This will be her first actual pinfall lose Because she did lose about one of her many titles. She did lose one because somebody else got pinned in the match.
Speaker 1:So with that creative control. Thing one of those creative control things that I guess is fucking it up is she's never taken a pin. And then she's definitely on her Hulk Hgan era because it's like yo, brother, I'm not taking a pin, brother, I'm not doing this, I'm not doing that and that, but it hurts the business and it hurts her legacy, because that's what charlotte is doing is. That's what charlotte is experiencing right now well, well, charlotte was in that.
Speaker 2:That's the thing, though, because I can't say that Charlotte was burying the female talent in WWE, but then again, you know, I got the rose-colored glasses on. I don't see what other people see when it comes to Charlotte, because they also still build her as still being beatable. So it's like she was not. She was not. Uh, she was built very strongly as a female competitor, but she was not built in a way where it seemed like nobody could win against her it was more so the fact.
Speaker 1:It was more so the fact that in every scenario where it was like, okay, charlotte was gone and gone and Charlotte would come back, she was immediately put on a title picture and she was immediately given the belt. It was like as if um, also, at the same time, charlotte never had any character development. She's never really experienced anything that would make her a relatable character or a character who's grown like perfect example. Look at hangman Adam page character or a character who's grown like perfect example. Look at hangman adam page. Hangman adam page was pretty much a cookie cut. I'm the baby face of this company, right. And then they put him in the dark order. That situation made him have character development. The situation with him in omega, where they were friends, and you know the whole glass of milk we all know that that's his thing like just small little increments that help you understand the character that is hangman. And then his dissension, dissension to madness, uh, with the whole uh, swerve situation. Like there's character development. Name me one thing charlotte has went through. That's given me character development.
Speaker 2:Oh, I'm glad you gave me that opportunity to retort because when charlotte has went through, that's given me character development. So I'm glad you gave me that opportunity to retort, because when charlotte flair was in nxt right before she became what she is now, or even close to it right there was she kind of had like there was. She started out as like with this little kind of like girl squad type situation, which is where her and sasha banks were actually, you know, originally friends and I do believe uh, uh, summer, adams or summer was part of that squad as well, that thing. But charlotte used to be like a beautiful, white, white cheat baby face. Yeah, okay, she was a baby face then, right, and that was before she became as where she is now. She was, you know, the white, hot baby face, you know, doing it for the fans, high-fiving people signing autographs and all this other stuff. She was that baby face, right. But she went through this arc of discovering that she's like I'm good to, no, I'm damn good. She went from if you're going to do it, do it with Flair, to I'm the child of Ric Flair, who is the greatest of all time, so I should be the greatest of all time. So I should be the greatest of all time too, and she had that small little area where it was like she was with her dad, who was her manager and just any other. And then she had that more where she's like oh I'm, I don't need my dad anymore, I, I can be the, I could be a flair on my own. And then it was at that point where she began her ascension to queenhood, which is where she's at right now.
Speaker 2:She has gone through her ascension to queenhood. Now, where she's currently at is the fact of she's in this space, where she's realizing that, after being gone for that long, she's come back, she's, she has fallen from her queenhood and she's having a hard time wrapping her brain around that fact, which is, I think, what this whole situation with Alexa Bliss that's happening right now, because Alexa Bliss is all like Charlotte, you need some fucking help. And Charlotte's like no, no, no, no, no, I'm a queen, I got this when she does it kind of thing. And right now we're in the process of starting to see this interesting switch with her and Alexa Bliss right now, which we're waiting to see where that's going to end up turning out later on. But, like you know, but that is her change and it's like one of those things where her development that she had she was that young kid that was an upstart at NXT who became undeniably great. And then she went to the point she became so great that she realized that I don't need anybody else's help because I'm so great.
Speaker 2:I am a queen type thing, like she did have that point where she had her jester, which was goddamn Dana Brooks, for a hot minute but she dropped her after a bit and she's like, yeah, no, I'm, I'm, I'm the shit. You know what I'm saying. And that's her space right now. Her character development was her finding her way to be the queen that she now claims that she is. And now she's in a space where she still sees herself as that queen. But the playing field has changed and now has changed and now she's trying to figure her way through that because she still sees herself as a queen, but she has not proven that statement just yet. And so that's where that particular bit is. Now, with what you were saying about with the character development and everything, it's like not all character development means they gotta completely change who they are. Look at Stone Cold, steve Austin.
Speaker 1:You know what I'm saying he's also had character development though that that, before you go into that, I wanted I wanted to get into the fact that we can go back to Stone Cold, but I want you to realize, in that time frame that you just gave with Charlotte Flair, you basically have told that she's a nepto baby who one grew up to. Okay, I'm Charlotte Flair's daughter. Let me showcase that. Okay, I'm Charlotte Flair's daughter. Now, all right, I'm actually winning titles. Oh, yeah, I'm Charlotte Flair. I'm Rick Flair's daughter. I have him with me now and, oh, I don't need my dad anymore. Okay, I'm charlotte flair.
Speaker 1:There wasn't, there was more so a trajectory of her being basically, uh, um, basically like her dad and then making her own lane. But what I'm talking about with fans and and, like myself, want to see is where are her flaws? She has no flaws and that's the thing that makes fans annoyed by. She doesn't have any character flaws that showcase she's human. She's just this, and every time she comes back or any situation that involves a title match, she just wins. And people get annoyed by that, because you're now at a point where any time Charlotte's gone for any reason, she comes back and she's immediately thrown in the title picture and there's no.
Speaker 2:Are you expecting her to come back and be thrown in the mid-card?
Speaker 1:No, no, no, we're not saying that, but we're talking about when we say title picture is we're talking about immediately.
Speaker 1:like her coming back she is, but she's not getting a chance to grind for it. You know how, with stone cole, he at least grinds for getting the title back. If he loses it, like he might have to do a royal rumble, he might have to go through a gauntlet, he might have to do something that gives him a grind. Charlotte flair comes back. She spares somebody and she's in the next pay-per-view match in the heavyweight title picture, like that's. That's the difference between hers, and so fans don't get to see her rise. It's just you come back, you're immediately in the next match, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2:That's because those fans did not watch her in NXT. She had to rise in NXT and it's one of those things correct notice how you're saying it's in NXT.
Speaker 1:When she gets to main roster, anytime she steps down for two seconds. It's never to do something else. It's like, okay, she got injured, she's gone, but if she comes back, she comes back and is immediately in front of whoever's champion and it's like well, you got my belt, so I'm going to get it back now, and literally all she does is get it back, and then literally all she does is get it back, and then, when she loses, she goes into high heels and comes back and get it back.
Speaker 2:Now I can also defend that particular bit, being the fact that back in those times that was all that there was. There was only that title. There's several titles now, kind of thing. Now, sure, she came back and she was able to get herself into the main event slot in the main event picture, I mean, technically, the royal rumble is a grind per se, but she lost and now she's in a space where she is grinding at this point.
Speaker 2:But it's one of those things where, when she, because of the fact and I would say this for anyone who is a main event player per se- whether if we like it or not, because this same kind of thing goes with John Cena is like when you're as good as what Charlotte Flair is, it's like of course you're going to come back and be put right in the main event scene. Like because you're greatness, you're that damn good.
Speaker 1:And that's the same thing with John Cena too. So remember how you didn't at one point like John Cena, because he's like oh, John Cena lulz. It's the same thing with Charlotte. But why is it okay if Charlotte does it, but Cena can't?
Speaker 2:I don't think I've ever said that John Cena can't. I just said that.
Speaker 1:I didn't like the fact that John Cena did okay, but that's what the fans are at right now with Charlotte, but you're like, but that's greatness, you see what I'm saying like it's okay, charlotte can do it, but Cena can't. Charlotte can do it, but Sina can't not necessarily.
Speaker 2:I mean sure, I guess you can say that if that's how you want to go with it. But it's like with what you were saying with the whole character development type situation. I can't agree with you at the fact that she has not had development with her character what are some of charlotte's flaws then?
Speaker 1:what is charlotte's flaws as a human, besides her being constantly a champion because, like her, biggest flaw is the fact she sees herself as being that great.
Speaker 2:When you see yourself as being this queen and what not, of course that goes straight to your head. Now, of course, if it's a situation of, as my Dolph Ziggler shirt says, it's not, you know, if you can back it up, it's not called bragging Then at that point I guess it just sucks us up that you're not a better wrestler than Charlotte Flair, is that thing? Or in other cases, it just sucks to suck that you're not being booked like Charlotte Flair.
Speaker 1:So a perfect example of that too could be the whole title switch thing between her and Becky and like throwing the belt at each other, like it. The flaw is, like you're saying, like I am a queen, you should respect me as a queen. But I will agree that right now we could be potentially seeing that development in her, of her coming back and realizing that the playing field has changed. You know, I'm saying she's not, um, she's not as glorified as she was, because we have new people to glorify. Like obviously, the tiffy, the tiffy charlotte flair match was really hyped for me because it's like wow, this is charlotte being now put down into a pedestal of you are not as queen as you used to be.
Speaker 1:There's a new queen or there's a new thing here and and I hate to do this, but it's literally that it's it's the old hotness being being faced with the new hotness, because tiffany is technically that new hot. Yeah, it's, that's, that's that. That was that's what I'm saying. That's the story of that Wrestlemania match. To me that made it great because that was the development of realizing you are not that hotness anymore against the new hotness but the fact that you got it get and it's like.
Speaker 2:Once again, I can understand why people hated it, but at the end of the day, charlotte Flair, not only was that hotness, but like she looked, like she should be.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and I think with the build-up of that match is like where the shift changed for me, because when first Charlotte came and got that Royal Rumble win, fans were pissed. But then whenever we got that Tiffy and Charlotte Flair buildup, that became the match of the fucking pay-per-view. You had to see that shit because you were like yo, the buildup was crazy. I mean, I remember calling you and saying yo, bro, did you see the fight Like yo, did you see that Like crazy fight between the two? Because that shit felt real.
Speaker 1:And that's the thing I think what wrestling fans, as we enjoy storytelling, we enjoy. Okay, obviously, you give us this monster baby face, this monster heel, like we understand the program that is wrestling. And then there's those moments in wrestling that you want to be real, you want it to be relatable, you want it to be where I can feel what's going on, like Johnny Wrestling. Whenever in NXT you felt those moments and this Charlotte and Tiffy moment was felt. But in every program before that with Charlotte you couldn't feel that. It was just like Cena lull, charlotte lull.
Speaker 2:And I think that's I don't agree with that completely, because I don't. For me, with Charlotte Flair it did not. Maybe the only reasons why I would say that people probably felt like it was a certain way is because after a while it almost felt like there was a pattern. But then, as soon as there was a certain ways because after a while it almost felt like there was a pattern, but then as soon as there was a pattern, she would lose the belt once again. She did not hold the belt all those time for a super duper long time. She dropped it plenty. It's passed around different people, but the thing was is the fact that, comparably speaking, which when it came to John Cena and Charlotte Flair, to me John Cena felt purposely predictable okay, purposely predictable, like it actually felt like oh, john Cena, lol, of course he's gonna win so you didn't feel that way with Charlotte.
Speaker 1:Sometimes, though, you didn't feel that was predictable. Sometimes with Charlotte.
Speaker 2:No, I didn't, because with the women that they had at that time, to me it seemed like, well, it seemed like there'd be more times where I would have figured that she would. I thought Charlotte was going to lose more times than she won, the only reasons why I ever would be like, oh yeah, of course Charlotte's going to win, because number one, charlotte's my girl. Plus, I like stirring the pot. I ain't going to lie to you. I like to you know, especially when it's somebody's favorite person. But at the same time I was as surprised as everybody else when Charlotte would win, type thing.
Speaker 2:I'm gonna disagree with that one was gonna beat Asuka, I would've never thought that shit that.
Speaker 2:I would've never thought. But then, at the same time, though, when some of the matches that she had, and it's all like you know, it's like I feel it could go either way, but I feel like Charlotte's going to win. At that point, for me, to a certain degree, it's like she's going to win because Charlotte's just that good and it's not like she did not have fantastic matches where it looked like at least they made it seem like she was going to lose.
Speaker 1:I'm like with like john cena's it was like you know john cena formula, you know what I'm saying like this is why I love about us, because we can have these debates and like it could be completely like, because, like, our views on wrestling is different. Like I mean, we are wrestling fans. What we see in the product is going to be one way and what we see as in our vision of wrestling is going to be completely different. Like, I enjoy death, death match wrestling. You're not really a super huge fan of it. Uh, there are certain characters that we like. There's certain characters that we love.
Speaker 1:That's the beautiful thing about wrestling, and and I don't one of the reasons why I made us create this podcast because it's shit like that but I come to say this is that you, you are absolutely, you, absolutely correct with the greatness standpoint of Charlotte. That was one of the reasons why she was my queen too. I enjoyed the fact that she was just that damn good in the ring. It was just her match buildups just didn't, didn't hit like. But the thing I want to get at, to kind of conclude it, because we completely derailed.
Speaker 2:We completely derailed you did it, not me. I feel, you should know that, like, if you're going to come at someone who is like my peoples, you need to have fucking time stamps, dates like Availability. Like you need to come hard if you're going to try and denounce someone who is the name that I'm very Like, I wish you weren't coming here. I'm denouncing it. Like talk some Any slight, ill will Try coming here and do some shit like that with kane oh no, nigga, I can't.
Speaker 1:I mean same thing with pensa. It's same thing as well. I mean we it's, we're good. That's what I'm saying. That's the beautiful thing about wrestling. We will debate the shit that we are passionate about, the characters that we love, the things that we see, because they mean something to us. And that's why I always bring when you brought the general public thing about sasha, because it all stemmed from a sasha conversation. It's the the level of how we can start a conversation about sasha and exposing certain things and all of a sudden we're here about charlotte. Like that's the beauty behind, uh, being passionate about something like wrestling is. There's so much lore, there's so much history, there's so much connection to what we see as the thing that is wrestling. We all have a view of what wrestling should be. To conclude, I am excited about seeing what this development with her and Alexa Bliss is going to be. Sasha should not even be in the category of.
Speaker 1:I would say top, she's like in top 20 maybe.
Speaker 2:Top 20. Yeah, top 20. Yeah. I agree, yeah, I don't know where in top 20, but not top five right now, not top 5 which is which people are putting are higher like yeah, like you said, top 2 like literally people want to say that Sasha Banks and EO Sky are number 1 and number 2 and they're apparently interchangeable and no man, that's a.
Speaker 1:You know what that's. That would be a good topic for the next episode is who are our top 10 favorite women wrestlers of all time? I feel like that would be a good, because I'm curious to hear yours now, because I wouldn't say our top 10 women's wrestler of all time.
Speaker 2:I would say the better question is as of the as it currently stands, who do we think is the best women's wrestler? Okay, okay, at the current, I think that would be a because, that's what people are saying that right now well, I mean, they, they are kind of saying of all time, but like. But at the same time I'm like all time, all time. And just looking at the women's wrestling scape as it is at this very moment, who is the best currently?
Speaker 2:who is the best currently, and they're putting Sasha Banks and Io Sky at the top tippy top.
Speaker 1:Io Sky is a wrestler. I'm just going to leave it at this. Io Sky is a great wrestler, great person. I've met her a couple of times but we'll definitely dive into that. I feel like that's going to be a whole episode conversation. We're not even going to have a week of wrestling. Let's just save that shit. Save that shit.
Speaker 2:Yeah, we will parking lot brawl that one there.
Speaker 1:Yeah, parking lot brawl. What was it? What was that match? It was with Ken Shamrock versus Steve Blackman. It was the. They were fighting in that parking lot with the cars and shit.
Speaker 2:I mean, those were usually called parking lot brawl matches.
Speaker 1:Yeah, but it was a specific name for that one. I can't remember what it was. I'm gonna come back. There's a parking lot brawl, I don't know it but I want to say it's lions dinner, some shit like that. Anyway, besides point um, yeah, that's different. Let's, let's, let's go into the uh, next portion of what the wild week of wrestling is.
Speaker 2:Uh, what is going on so, outside what we just got done, talking about I'm a, I'm a lightly skim over the uh like smackdown raw nxt was actually um, from what I remember was kind of sort of uh, it was actually a little uh, lackluster hold on hold, on, hold, on.
Speaker 1:I'm sorry to interrupt you with this now, but I'm curious what did you think about that punk segment at SmackDown?
Speaker 2:It was better than the pipe bomb. I'll give it that Goddamn right it was, it was. It was fun when the pipe bomb came off, very hokey-pokey and annoying this. This was fun. Cm Punk getting his lip back. Cm Punk going in and doing the full John Cena rapping at him and everything doing his little bow rap thing. That was. I ain't gonna lie, that was solid.
Speaker 1:Can we talk about his fucking fit, though? The fit was fire. The fit was fucking fire. You can't tell me you would not rock that fit.
Speaker 2:I mean, if I really wanted to, I could, because I actually got some baseball. As a matter of fact, I have a Cubs baseball jersey. So like I could do a new. I could do the new version because like I have like the new, like the red, white and blue Cubs baseball button-up, so like hell I could do it with the new jersey.
Speaker 1:I still got my baseball jerseys too.
Speaker 2:Well, these ones I got from the old spot that I used to work at, but I also recently bought myself a, which now I have to start watching it. Now that I own this piece of merchandise, because I'm a really big pretender of if I'm going to buy the merchandise, I got to know about what it is that I'm wearing. Sports is a little. Sports is a slight exception. I used to work for a sports company and so I used to wear the sports stuff that they would just give us because they just had it lying around, kind of thing. But I got a straw hat. Crew baseball jersey. Oh, okay.
Speaker 2:So it's got the straw hat symbol and everything. It's got a picture of Luffy on it and I think it says Luffy on the back and it's got double zeros, or something. But it's a really cool shirt, so I was all like hell. Yeah, I actually those who follow me on Instagram, which is Swag Switcher.
Speaker 1:Swag.
Speaker 2:Switcher. That's Swag Switcher. You'll actually see me wearing it. But yeah, I know I thought it was like I said it was better than the Pipe Bomb and because of what he was doing, it's like, okay, it feels more better executed Because he is now, in return, giving John Cena the receipt of saying oh so you think you're seeing Punk doing a pipe bomb? Well, I'm going to be John Cena and I'm going to spit some bars.
Speaker 1:My nigga had bars though, bro, the X line, he's like yo. I'd be a little pissed off if my job hired my ex too. Nigga, I said, oh shit.
Speaker 2:And his ending line where he say I'm Kendrick and I'm going to make you my Drake. What? Yes, I said oh, nigga who. His ending line where he say I'm Kendrick and I'm gonna make you my Drake. What?
Speaker 1:Yes, I said, oh, did it be who wrote these bars? Though I wanna know who wrote these bars, cause some of them were really good. I was like it couldn't have been Cena. I mean, I don't know. I was just like who wrote these bars?
Speaker 2:It was, yeah, it was some good stuff with that one.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and since we're talking about he did stumble a little bit but yeah, which, yeah, but I let it slide. Yeah, I let it slide.
Speaker 2:It was his first time I let it slide, I was like I let it slide, but I'm very upset about what they did to the White Six. The whole tag team division had to come out there and screw up the tag team match against the Street Profits. I'm like that's crazy. However, that being said, I did fuck with that.
Speaker 2:I want to give a shout out to the SmackDown tag team division and I think they're being completely disrespected right now because the Raw tag Team Division is absolutely ass. The SmackDown Tag Team Division is absolutely fire and nobody wants to treat them with the respect they should have been in the Saudi Arabia pay-per-view doing something. They should have been at the WrestleMania pay-per-view doing something. They should have been at the WrestleMania pay-per-view doing something. The fact that they had, instead of being on WrestleMania that was a two-night affair, might we say and they couldn't find a way to put the other tag team titles on that match and the fact that instead they decided to have a TLC match on free TV Let him cook now that TLC match with the Prophets DIY and the Machine Guns.
Speaker 1:I said let him cook Bro.
Speaker 2:That match would have beat out WrestleMania period. That would have stole the WrestleMania show if they would have put it on WrestleMania. And maybe that's why they did, because they didn't want the boys to get that shine. But the Street Profits needs to have better respect put on their name. I'm just saying they are out here squandering with them. I mean sure, I guess it's cool if y'all just want them to be great on SmackDown even though they have pay-per-view worthy matches all the time.
Speaker 2:Hell this match that they had on SmackDown, where the whole locker room came out there and interfered.
Speaker 1:That's pay-per-view worthy can we find out who is the producer for those shits? Cause, like, depending on who that producer is cause obviously they produce a segment they need to just do everything. Tag team division cause, yeah, like you said before, raw, raw tag team division is ass. I mean shit. They're literally about to put the Usos back together just to revive the Tag Team Division in Raw, because I don't even think the Usos can fix that. War Raiders no New Day Alpha. Academy.
Speaker 1:They're not doing anything. Who else is there? Those are the only fucking that tells you how bad that division is, because you don't know the fuck who else is there. Those are the only Fucking that tells you how bad that division is, because you don't know the fuck. Phantasmo, they got the AAA belts, bro. Oh my God it is right now.
Speaker 2:And they're not even Raw tag team. They was originally a tag team on SmackDown. Smackdown is the place where tag team wrestling is doing the thing, but El Fantasmo is all like hey, tna all over again. Damn TNA all over again bro.
Speaker 1:Where TNA was non-stop action, smackdown's tag division is non-stop action. I mean that man cooked, he cooked, though you know what I'm saying he's fat, he's fat. I'm going to have to put down the no mercy. Know, your rule is cooking. Because that was a cooking segment, bro Listen.
Speaker 2:I'm just, it bothers me. And you know because when Listen, I'm just, it bothers me. And you know because when someone needs to do better, I'm not going to discriminate. It's just too bad that it's always AEW who really needs to do better Segment-wise.
Speaker 1:Wrestling, like you told me recently, was good.
Speaker 2:Listen, this past AEW has some of the best wrestling I've seen in a minute, but fuck the segments. Like, like fuck the segments. But that's why I wasn't even really even gonna talk about it. Like I mean great wrestling, freaking mercedes out here putting her boyfriend over getting them in these main event matches can we talk about?
Speaker 1:uh I want to talk about this again because I have brought it up to matt uh, how about adam pierce's bad parenting techniques? He rewarded bad behavior again, which brought the saudi match between raquel and, uh, rhea Ripley.
Speaker 2:Well, now I will say I can't say I mean yes, but at least this time it wasn't Rhea Ripley, who, because he likes to favor her, he still kind of does give her whatever she asks. He's got to be drinking the bathwater, because he definitely gives her. You're saying no to Rhea Ripley, though Am I saying no to? That's not what's up for discussion right now. What I'm saying is what.
Speaker 1:I'm saying is, I'm just saying, though, if Rhea Ripley says I don't know if you like the phrase, tati, but if she comes up to you and be like I want something and you know it's Rhea Ripley, is you really saying no to Rhea Ripley, though You'd be like, alright, you know what, let me make it happen for you, baby. You know what I'm saying. Let me make it happen for you. I look at the black lipstick. She hits me with that smile. I'm cooked. It's like damn, you know what. I can't really say no to my baby. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1:She don't know we boyfriend and girlfriend, but we is together Completely fried.
Speaker 2:We trying to Completely fried, oh my.
Speaker 1:God and you ain't saying no to that woman. I'm sorry, bro.
Speaker 3:I cannot. I mean, you're right but still like, nah, damn like don't, I'm trying to make a point.
Speaker 2:I'm trying to make a point, I get it, I get it. But in this particular case, though, at least Rhea was in the right this time, because, number one, it was Raquel who came out there and was all like hey, like you know, cause they all started first like they screwed. They screwed Rhea, then Rhea screwed them, and then she called Rhea out excuse me, she called Rhea out and then they throw hands, and then Roxanne gets in there and gets her put through a table.
Speaker 1:A slip jam table Roxanne but um, but yeah.
Speaker 2:And also when it came to Roth, the other thing that I did want to also put in there Gunther comes out and he gives his promo, his retort towards Goldberg, goldberg, and I really hope that he's not giving us false promises again, because he came out there and you know he's got his chest out and you know I'm gonna, he's gonna, I'm gonna do this, I'm gonna do that. You know you better hug your family and kiss your wife and all this.
Speaker 1:Then the other Are we now classifying this as a Jey Uso promo? Did he hit you with a Jey Uso promo to you? Are we now classifying this as a JO Usul promo? Is he? Did he hit you?
Speaker 2:with a JO Usul promo to you. Jeez, I don't want to call it that. That's kind of weird.
Speaker 1:We're going to start calling him that, cause that are you. Did he pull a J? Did he give you false promises?
Speaker 2:Well, we're going to find out, cause I mean, he came out there like nah, I am on, we're on Gunther time right now, fam, i'ma stomp you out and I'ma choke you out and I'ma send you back home, regardless of how old you are.
Speaker 1:He's Gunther, though, like he's not playing about that shit. Okay, I hope he's not.
Speaker 2:Because, you know, Gunther said this before shit.
Speaker 1:Okay, I hope he's not, because you know Hunter said this before. Hey yo, after what he did to Jimmy, I don't believe anything that motherfucker says bro.
Speaker 2:But that's the thing, though. He did what he did to Jimmy, right, and then, after he did that, he talked that big ish to Pat McAfee, and then he leaves Pat McAfee with a.
Speaker 1:But he is sports analyst. He ain't really a wrestler, my nigga. Like let's be real, bro. Like you got to give Pat McAfee some credit, though. Like I get it what you're saying.
Speaker 2:I don't care about how good Pat McAfee did in that match. All right, sure, he held his own, but Gunther made it sound like he's going to put him six feet under and instead he took him out for ice cream okay I get it, I get it it's just like I just hate it when someone talks the big game and then does not follow it up if that's the selling, go out there but but see in the past.
Speaker 1:I know, I know, I know I, I know, I know, I know Go ahead, go ahead, go ahead. Sorry, sorry, sorry.
Speaker 2:Oh no, I was just saying in the past people would say I'm gonna do this to you and I'm gonna do that to you, and then they do it, or they get jumped and they get beat, and that's why they can't do it. There's no excuse why Gunther has not been able to do the things that he says that he said he was going to do because he's been winning.
Speaker 1:That's going back to the beautiful era that is the attitude era, because when Stone Cold said, I'm going to stomp a mud hole in your ass, I'm going to walk it dry or I'm going to run you over with my fucking truck or whatever, that nigga did that shit. That nigga stood by every fucking thing. He said okay he meant, meant what he said yeah, nigga you, you was getting that shit.
Speaker 2:He was going to attempt to follow through with it as much as possible yes I mean, but now we out here, we just saying like, oh, it'd be one thing if they was like the shit eating hill, where you know they're like oh, I'm gonna I'm gonna beat you till the sun goes down and back and blah, blah, blah.
Speaker 2:But then, like when the match happens, you know they, they run and cower, but even they have some people on the back and who's going to come in, like what seth rollins has with his goons, and at least they're going to attempt to beat the shit out of you. You know what I'm saying like it'd be better if he attempted as opposed to. It'd be better if he said it and attempted, as opposed to saying it and then completely falling short and that's, I get it.
Speaker 1:I get it. It's one of them situations where you, you want homie to stand on business. But it's also Goldberg the nigga, 59 almost now. Like let it be real, he can't really destroy that nigga the way you want him to.
Speaker 2:I wish he would. As far as I'm concerned, motherfucker he better, or Goldberg's walking out of there with the belt.
Speaker 1:Goddamn oh boy, night of Champions. Yes, tongaloa. Sorry, I went ahead.
Speaker 2:You bring up what you want, I like that Night of Champions. Tongaloa, you, alright, you alright.
Speaker 2:Listen my roommate was explaining to me almost verbatim what happened in the pay-per-view and I was like, but why would they do that? It doesn't make it. And then it happened and I was like, oh okay, maybe I guess it does, because literally we was talking about. It's funny because, like I didn't know, maybe he knew a little bit better then again, he also, he, he literally knows these people, so it's like he's wrestling with them while they were on the indies. But it's like I'm over here, I'm just like I didn't see it. I'm like why would they just now, why do I? Would they want to bring him up now out of nowhere? Type deal. And he explained it to me and I was like, I don't know, that's a bit of a stretch, because there's been like no reason, no lead up, and then boom, it happens.
Speaker 1:And I'm like alright, I guess I'll sit back. So what I hate is why can they not just keep it at? Hikaleo, bro, like everybody has to have a Tonga, like all right, I get it, family shit. But I remember I called you after it happened because me and Matt, we were literally me and Matt, we were literally sitting here. We just brought up Hikaleo. I swear to God, we literally just brought up Hikaleo. I swear to God, we literally just brought up Hikaleo because we were watching the match and I remember saying something about like Jacob looks so much like Haku, that fucking. I was like sometimes I have moments of like that's not Haku, that's Jacob, like he's literally that nigga. And then how, the fact that I thought this was going to be easy dub for Jacob.
Speaker 1:Then also you got these people coming in. You got JC, who's also Filipino, by the way. You got JC, and then you have which? Tonga came back. It was the bigger one. Can't remember his name right now, but he shows up.
Speaker 1:And then you have Hikaleo, who's which Russell Talk made a joke about. It is because he's tall as hell. Tonga or Tonga, no, tonga is the other one. It's Tala, tala, tonga, I think it's what they call him, because he's tall as hell. It's a tall. That's what they were saying. Right, it was like he's tall as hell, um, so it's taller, taller, tanga. Um, because he's tall as shit. So because he's like seven, like seven one maybe, I don't know, he's tall as hell.
Speaker 1:And I called you and I said yo, you, this is proven, that jacob is brawley level. Threat to the family. Because in some to the wrestling community, we are aware that samoans are some of the toughest motherfuckers in the wrestling business. You do not headbutt a Samoan, only Samoans do. Samoan drops. So we are aware that Samoans are a different breed in wrestling. So you're telling me it took four Samoans to take down one Samoan. That is fucking brawly level of power. Okay, brawly level of power, okay, brawly level. And one of them was 7 feet niggas. So it's brawly level category of takedown. That should tell you Jacob, is that motherfucking guy?
Speaker 2:alright, you don't play with Jacob, doc yeah, no, he's, uh, he really is getting where he fit. You know what I mean also four letters.
Speaker 1:One word uh, stop. I'm sorry I never get over that.
Speaker 2:I actually did find it interesting that he absolutely was not there, just a little bit, yeah, honestly he didn't have a reason to be there.
Speaker 1:Unless he was interfering in that match. But continue on.
Speaker 2:I interrupted again, which he definitely wasn't. Nah, I mean, there's really not a whole lot to really like talk with my champions, like I mean, storm cody, cody rose is the king.
Speaker 1:Uh, storm beat oscar like oh my god, jay cargill is so goddamn. We could already agree. She's so goddamn fine, but it's crazy how she's still so goddamn fine after wrestling the makeup still holding up. She's so goddamn fine, but it's crazy how she's still so goddamn fine after wrestling the makeup still holding up. She's still just like what in the how is you this goddamn fine? I mean can we agree that we probably. I don't know if you marked out to the storm entrance, but it was just like marvel.
Speaker 2:You see this right, marvel, you see this right, just go ahead, make it happen I mean I did like this, I did like it, I did like her whole storm get up. The storm get up was cool, but like, like, so I was, I was in a. I was in an unfortunate space because it's like before I knew who I was going to be here. I already knew Jade was winning this.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah, we knew that I unfortunately for Asuka. Asuka literally does her her move, which is the butt bomb, and that's literally a setup for a fan. And she was like all right, cool, whatever. And that's literally a setup for her.
Speaker 2:and she was like, alright, cool, whatever but it was like watching Asuka have to do the job to Jade. It hurt a little bit yeah, cause she just came back, cause I'm over here watching this and it's like, because she's been gone for so long, I forgot how much I like Asuka. And then like, as I'm watching her, I'm just like damn, why do they have to do this to me like this.
Speaker 1:But it is what it? Is. Asuka is truly wifey. I don't care, as fine as everybody is, asuka is wifey. You can say queen, whatever that is wifey. Hands say queen, whatever you can say whatever that is wifey nobody's right.
Speaker 2:No one's ready for Asuka and no one should be, but apparently Jade was.
Speaker 1:I'm gonna probably make you do just a fuck with you. I'm gonna have to do a marry kill thing with the. Do a marry kill thing with the roster, just to see where you at. I want to know now. I want to see where you at. I'm going to do it in the future, though. I'm going to do it in the future, though. It's a terrible game, but I want to see how it'd be good content just to just to fuck with each other.
Speaker 2:Who who's real wins the street fight. I actually did not realize from the story that they told, like how deep her and like those two were with each other.
Speaker 1:I didn't know that either.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that was a very interesting thing to see, like how close they was and how how deep the friendship was, and now they're about to rip each other apart because of.
Speaker 1:He should have been a Wrestlemania match with that. I really feel like it could have been a Mania match if you had that much history.
Speaker 2:The only reason. I mean as much as it would be. Raquel Rodriguez has not done anything. Wrestlemania worthy per se she's getting closer and I will agree for them to like go all out and, you know, give this back story about like how deep their friendship runs. I'm like y'all could have saved that for something bigger than Saudi Arabia, which sounds crazy for me to say, but let's be honest, you should have saved that for the states yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, a lot of things.
Speaker 1:We're getting arab money out here but, um, I really feel there was a lot of things. Even the fucking uh showing of paula should have been saved in the states, because people would have known who the fuck that was.
Speaker 2:I agree, the Sami Zayn and Karrion Kross match was a match.
Speaker 1:You should be an ambassador. You should have let him speak, but go ahead.
Speaker 2:It was a match, nothing too crazy here with that. The John Cena match now and I'll be honest, I don't want to spend a whole lot of time talking about and, I'll be honest, I don't want to spend a whole lot of time talking about it.
Speaker 1:I'll have to roast my nigga Penta, though, but go ahead.
Speaker 2:Gotta roast my nigga Penta. The match itself was. The match itself was good. The finish was crazy. Like the finish felt like they were trying to successfully like do a whole bunch of crazy things at one time. I wouldn't say it felt flat, but like it was crazy and I like I don't. It's like I hated the fact that they're starting to do this thing now, where it's like and boy, michael Cole, he was really playing it up too when they did the whole. Oh wait, john Cena, he's not good at hitting him in the head with the belt. Is John Cena having a change of heart? Have the fans started to finally get to him? Is he seeing the error of his ways.
Speaker 2:Yeah, nah, I'm just like, oh, come on, so is this how we're doing? Alright, listen, low-key. I'm kind of over this whole John Smith thing.
Speaker 1:Nah nigga you ain't about to do that. Nah nigga you ain't about to do that no, nigga ain't about to do that, bro.
Speaker 2:It has been enough. It has this. John cena heel turn has been a flop. It has.
Speaker 1:It has a whole, it's flop but the thing about it is, I'm gonna still enjoy this tour, because if you're telling me this is the last time I'm seeing him, I'm just gonna let it cook.
Speaker 2:Listen, I think at this point I feel I think this whole thing would have been better if he was a babyface at this point. Like sure, there's been some fun moments Okay, it's been, there's been some small intrigue, but it's like, at the end of the day, john Cena's not being booed, he's getting cheered, no one cares that he's trying to be this. Oh you guys, it's like a bad relationship. Blah, blah, blah. Woe is me. I'm gonna do what I want now. Screw the fans. I don't care about you guys anymore. Like all of that stuff. Like it's crazy to say it feels fake. It's not. It's.
Speaker 1:It's so forced, it's so processed, it's just I think the way it's interesting to me now. It's like because now the conversation is who is going to dethrone cena? Who is going to take the belt from him? And I don't feel like it's going to be cody at summer slam. It's not because he still has what's oh, our truth. Is our truth going to become our champion? A no, because nigga, no. What's who, who, who, who?
Speaker 2:R-Truth Is R-Truth gonna become our champion.
Speaker 1:A no, because nigga no, Like I love R-Killix but nigga no.
Speaker 2:Because now we're completely ignoring the fact that he wants John Cena and he's in a program in a whole situation with Aleister Black, apparently, and he's in a program in a whole situation with Aleister Black. Apparently that was a one-off. A one-off. Did you not watch SmackDown when Aleister Black came out there and kicked his fucking head in?
Speaker 1:But did you not see Damian Priest now inject himself in? So it's definitely going to be a program between Damian Priest and him which is two goth niggas, One's bisexual, one's a taker.
Speaker 2:Sure, they're probably going to have a match, but R-Truth is also going to get his lick back for getting kicked in the fucking head. He's driving now, ron, killing his drivers. So you really think the man who was saying put respect on my name is going to let another man come into the ring and kick him in the head and not follow up?
Speaker 1:with a receipt. I think it would be short-lived, because here's the thing Maybe this is just because we definitely need to get into the next part. I feel like if they do that, that's literally just making him a joke character again, because the whole kick in the face thing literally made him a joke character again, because it was in the face thing literally made him a joke character again because it was just like yo, john Cena, come out here and he turns around and gets kicked in the face.
Speaker 2:now you're making him a joke, you're not taking him seriously now what if I told you don't do it nigga listen, he's about, as a joke character as Goldberg winning the heavyweight title at the next show. That's about goldberg so, so yeah, but I mean I will say I did enjoy all of the, the screwy, screwy, flippityity-dippity-doo everybody coming out. You know it's the Avengers endgame all over again and stuff like that. And John Cena, he's still gonna be, he's still a heel and he's still the champion, and CM Punk lost. And now we're getting back into CM Punk and CM Punk and goddamn uh CM Punk and uh uh goddamn.
Speaker 1:Seth Rollins oh yeah, that program. Yeah, Triple H loves that program apparently.
Speaker 2:I mean it's. I mean it's good, I like it, I prefer it. You know what I'm saying? Like I, I'm over here at this, like I just need Cody to go ahead and go to Survivor or SummerSlam and just take this goddamn belt. Let's move on. Let's move on. It's not gonna happen the heel turn is garbage, not gonna happen so you really think that John Cena is gonna leave out of here with the belt?
Speaker 1:I, kinda low-key, want it to happen.
Speaker 2:But what does your heart tell you, what does your wrestling mind tell you? My wrestling mind tells me what is your inner Booker?
Speaker 1:telling you, right now, my inner booker is telling me let Cena do it, cause, like a part of me knowing WWE may just make a new belt. I know, I know, I know, but it's just like alright.
Speaker 2:So what's your video games? Cause, obviously you drinking some crazy ass Kool-Aid right now. You know you should be glad that the way you got this set up. I can't see you cause lord knows you're probably doing some crazy filthy ass shit. Let's get into these games, bro. Let's get into the games, because let's get into it. You out here, you sound like somebody who says CEO, oh, you must the ceo dance with the way you talking nigga, I just told you, I don't do that shit.
Speaker 1:I don't like that shit. Get the fuck out of here, um, but it's just me being a cena fan. Come on, bro you. You know that. Uh, I still gotta roast my nigga. Penta, penta, uh, real quick. Why the fuck was you strutting down the fucking ramp? What was you doing, bro? Get to the business. Anyway, wait a time, bro, you just gotta get shit in. We're saying this more and more and more and more nowadays and I hate it. So, since we're gonna top it off the show with the games, not as much of Since we're going to top it off the show with the games, not as much of a pause as Jey Uso saying go through, coming behind me in the whole NY state. You saw that shit, I sent you right. Yeah, everybody said pause on that nigga. You can't not say pause to that. Come on my nigga.
Speaker 2:Come on, listen, listen.
Speaker 1:sometimes you just walk into it on accident ayo, pause, so alright, so we're gonna go 10 and I wanna actually, I'm gonna even actually do a thing is what you think my 10 is, and I'm going to see what your 10 is. Just spitballing, because I feel like it's just funny.
Speaker 2:I couldn't even begin to say what your 10 might be. Your 10 probably might be one of the SmackDown versus Raw's Nope.
Speaker 1:It's not, that's what I'm saying. That's where the beauty comes in, bro, saying that's where the beauty comes in, bro, that's where the beauty comes in. So, uh, you're 10, I'm gonna just spitball and this is. I'm not gonna go in too far into it, just guess I want to say you're 10. Is Wrestlemania 2000?
Speaker 2:nope, didn't even make a list. Damn for real that's crazy.
Speaker 1:Okay, go ahead, spitball what you think my 10 is. Wcw versus NWO. Never played that game, so not even on the list you never played that game so not even crazy, you never played that I never. I never really played it, played it like I. I obviously played it, but I never played it to the magnitude of no mercy type shit. You feel me so?
Speaker 2:so that game, because of the fact that it was literally just the wcw version of what, like, yeah, literally this stuff was. What I enjoyed doing was I would. I would go, because I never had it. The only time I would play is when I would go to other people's houses and they'd have yeah, yeah, no mercy yeah, and so I always found it fun going there and like beating their ass in that game and they'd be all like how are you so good this game?
Speaker 1:you said you don't even have it and it's like cause there's no mercy. Oh man, so your top 10? What's your number 10?
Speaker 2:well, my number 10 is Smackdown vs Raw 2007. Wow, that's crazy cause. That is a higher number for me, alright uh, only because number one there's, because there was, just there were better ones okay, um, so that's your number 10.
Speaker 1:Do you? Do you have anything that? Because I'm gonna have to talk about my eyes. My eyes were talking about. Well, when I talk about 07, I might as well talk about 07. Now, one of the biggest things that I loved about 07 is I missed.
Speaker 2:When you bring up somebody to a hazard, like the steel steps and you and you can just slam them yeah, you have that just time, that shit cause like you can bring them real high and boom or you can just sit there.
Speaker 1:Yes, and that's how you play. Any like you specifically I know you like mind gaming somebody because you used to do.
Speaker 2:When we play here comes the pain, yeah, yeah so that's the only way you're going to get them. W's you gotta like, you have to break the status quo of wrestling, and when you're, when you're uh playing arcade style like, like I mean that game was, it was good.
Speaker 2:Um, it's just the fact that there were, like literally just because there were other smackDown versus Raw's that were better, and it became very hard for me to figure out what. Because, like, there was a lot, because I had damn near all of the Smackdown versus ross when they just became like the 2k uh, 2k 11, 2k 13, it's like I kind of those kind of sort of like uh, they kind of get clumped together, those particular ones, because, like it's just, it's because for a while it was like same game, new characters, I like the menu for seven, though it had the shorties dancing on the menu.
Speaker 1:That was the top tier shit and you had to spend your Smackdown money. You can make them even, I think, in the lingerie too, like as a kid.
Speaker 2:You can buy the newer things. You can buy the female load screens and stuff like that.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I was saying as a a kid, you shouldn't be getting that shit had like cool locker room shit and stuff like that.
Speaker 2:This one definitely made the list because, like, I played that game a lot, a lot motherfucker like I, to the point where I was like I was good at that game. It had GM mode but it didn't have, but it wasn't as good of a GM mode but it did have some. But this was when it was like this one. This game was almost peak, creative wrestling almost. Um, that's, that's my number 10 so number 10, you're not.
Speaker 1:I don't know if you actually remember this one, um, ultimate muscle, I do, but I had never played it, though you watch me played it. I think it was Ultimate Muscle. I do. I had never played it, though you watched me play it. I think it was Ultimate Muscle Legends and New Generation, and I remember I had this when I used to live in I think it was Oviedo. Yeah, it was Oviedo, yeah, it was Oviedo, because I remember that time I had here comes the pain and the game broke and I had to walk four hours to a game stop just to get it and it was so bad that I was walking to the uh, the game stop and then I was walking home. Finally a couple saw me. It was like, bro, we saw you like from back fort, do you need a ride home? And I was like, yeah, and I shouldn't have gotten the car with strangers, but I did, but it was. It was a couple, so they drove me back to the house. It was a different time.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it was a different time you can actually trust people to give you a ride, yeah, so I had both had both those games.
Speaker 1:Here Comes the Pain and Ultimate Muscle. And Ultimate Muscle was so fun to me as a kid.
Speaker 2:I remember it being cool, freaking that goddamn hook Mexican stretch buster, mexican stretch buster.
Speaker 1:Yes, that was a good part of my childhood. I never got to really get good at that game. It was really, really tough for me, but I could always put it down as one of my favorites. It was top 10, so I had to put that in there. So top 10, that was ultimate muscle for me. Um, what is number? Nine Rumble Roses oh my god, what am I doing?
Speaker 2:oh, here we go. No, here we go. I knew it was gonna happen. I knew it was gonna happen to you first too. I don't know why, but I knew it was coming yo Rumble Roses. What happened to you first too?
Speaker 1:I don't know why, but I knew it was coming Yo, no, you gotta be kidding me.
Speaker 2:Now your list isn't even valid, no more, oh shit.
Speaker 1:No, oh man.
Speaker 2:Freaking what Listen from how you can hear him sound right now and whatnot. And how I can hear him sound right now and whatnot, and how I can only imagine listen Rumble Roses was such a game all female wrestlers some of these, some fantastically unique Dr Cutter, anastasia Dixie, like.
Speaker 1:Dixie Clements.
Speaker 2:Yeah like Rika, like god damn, and and then the dope interests but yeah, the interests, the, the wonderful theme songs that they had, like that game was solid for me. I'm so grateful it's all my fault. That's a goddamn Anastasia. I see you. I say this literally. I say this to this day, especially since I work at a hospital. Every time I walk past, I'm like I see you and I see you.
Speaker 1:Oh, come on oh my god, yeah, I fumbled, I fumbled fumbled the bag.
Speaker 2:You got to do your list over.
Speaker 1:Fumbled the bag, I fumbled.
Speaker 2:Fumbled the bag. Fumbled the bag. It was like, and the thing was the way that the wrestling with Kaz worked, it was like it played like SmackDown versus Raw. It really did, and here comes the pain it really did.
Speaker 1:Like versus raw and it really did pain, it really like it was, it was solid it was, and then the humiliation matches too. Uh, yeah, yes, yeah, yes, it was great game, fuck I. I definitely fumbled um. Mine was wrestlemania 19 god it's okay, because I used to love. I used to love that segment where you was like wrestling in the mall, you're wrestling in the harvard, all that shit, like I love that game mode because it wasn't like your normal wrestling that mode and enjoying the gamecube version of how literally.
Speaker 2:yeah, I remember that you, because I I never had wrestlemania 19, I would, I would, but I played it at your spot and that was the first game where, like, if you cheated the system, you can make females bleed. Yes, you can bust women open. There was like some weird thing that you could do and you can bust women open.
Speaker 1:Like that game was like the kind of sort of like had a better, like the way you can create entrances on that game were crazy oh that actually was where I think it kind of started for now games nowadays because, yes, the entrance capability which I've also had a moment of thinking about if I ever made a wrestling game or something like that but yes, the entrance capability was top tier, the createability was top tier. I just always missed whenever you got a special and you just burst out in the special, you had a time limit of you could just hit any fucking special as many times as you wanted to. I love that format of specials because, oh, I'm going to hit you with the face fronting one. I'm going to hit you with the people's elbow. Now I'm going to hit you with the fucking top row one one. I'm going to hit you with the people's elbow. Now I'm going to hit you with the fucking top row one. I can hit you with whatever the fuck I wanted to when that special happened, because you had the moment to do it.
Speaker 1:And that's where no Mercy was such a good fucking game because— yeah, it had that bit too. Yeah, because it's just—that should be be how wrestling is. If you have a stored one, okay, maybe one store one, but like in a moment where a clothesline out of uh, clothesline from hell out of nowhere. Uh, could be good as a stored special, but just like I'm, I'm hyped. Now everything should be coming out.
Speaker 2:That's why that was one of the reasons why I liked uh and another thing, another thing that I like about the wrestlemania games, because I know 19 also could do it was the fact that, like you, can do your moves into other people oh, yes, you can hit other people.
Speaker 1:So if I hit you with uh, you can interrupt a move you can save, I hated that shit.
Speaker 2:Save someone, you can save someone from getting a special.
Speaker 1:I hated that shit, bro. Oh my god for arcade play. It was annoying as shit. You playing against like three of your homies and you're like, oh man, you gonna hit the pedigree on me.
Speaker 2:Nah, nigga spear or even worse, you hit your special.
Speaker 1:If the other person's too close, they get hit by the special too or if you're trying to hit a jack hammer and I see you doing, I could just hit one, just punch and just stop it.
Speaker 2:That's like oh you dick yeah, oh, or if I was playing with someone like croc and I just do a close line from hell I hit everybody in the ring. Yes, yes, however, that also used to backfire on me because I expect like in a table I've I have lost table matches because I did a clothesline from hell or I did a spear and I went through the table myself because I just dismissed and so that was WrestleMania.
Speaker 1:was that 18? That was 18 one where you the really weird, the really weird, the really weird one.
Speaker 2:So WrestleMania 18 is actually my next one.
Speaker 1:No way, that's your 9?.
Speaker 2:No, no, no, my 9 was Rumble Roses.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah, sorry, 8. 8, number 8.
Speaker 2:9 was Rumble Roses. Wrestlemania 18 is my, is my number 8, which, because we already talked about it, my number 7 is Wrestlemania 19, ah ok, I fucks with you.
Speaker 1:I didn't know it was that high of a category for you. I didn't know it was that high of a category for you. That's really great. I didn't know introducing that game was that good for you.
Speaker 2:I liked that game and I wanted it. I just couldn't get my hands on it. I would have easily jumped to wrestlemania 19 after getting wrestlemania 18, but I just money wasn't working the way that we wanted it to back as yeah, as a kid, yeah, and so it was like I just played the absolute hell out of WrestleMania 18.
Speaker 1:Yeah, but you played the fuck out of that shit. I ain't gonna lie, bro, that was your year. Oh yeah, that was another one of those games where, like here Comes the Pain was one, 18 was one. That was just like, oh, we're all gonna play a wrestling game together as a group and we're all doing not tag matches, we're doing free-for-alls. It was like, fuck, I got to go against Jay. God damn it.
Speaker 2:Listen, me and my boy, Kyle, used to play that game like crazy. Every Friday, almost every Friday. We'd get out of school, go to his grandma's house where they have just the nicest, cleanest game room, and we would just WrestleMania 18 and Animal Crossing and yeah, that was. That was the thing.
Speaker 1:So since you technically gave two, you said seven and eight.
Speaker 2:So yeah, 18 was my, was my eight Number, seven was 19.
Speaker 1:2000. Wrestlemania 2000 was my eight. Number seven was 19. Uh 2000. Wrestlemania 2000 was my number eight mainly because I used to love the theme songs.
Speaker 1:The theme, the way the titantron and theme songs were like I'd still to this day I have a playlist on youtube just of the wrestlemania theme songs because I just loved how yeah, I just loved how they play back in the day. I would. There were times I would just sit there and sometimes just watch the Titan Tron, especially the rocks, like the the rock Titan Tron and just how the repetitiveness of it. I like repetitive things. I found out that I don't know what it's called, but I have a habit of if I like something so much I will listen to it all day and it's the song of the day, like, uh, a perfect example. I remember when joe g came out with glimpse of us, that song, that song when it first came out, two days straight it was the only thing I listened to. I swear to god it was on a repeat and I do the same thing, same thing happened with me yesterday with swerve strickland's theme song.
Speaker 1:Everything I did was top rope, catch him, vibe, catch him. Like that was me all day yesterday nigga, everywhere I went, everything I did. I even did it on snapchat, where it was a moment. I pulled up to a boba shop. I had to do the the fucking thing where he puts his, his hand on his head, his forehead, and I just just, it was just hit. Everything was just hitting, swirled, and that's what the wrestlemania themes were for me the titan trance. For me, the game itself was okay, fucking, playing his career mode, sucked dick because everybody was hard as fuck they really were so tough, so difficult to go against, and playing certain matches it's like, oh, I'm going against test.
Speaker 1:Even going in somebody like test visceral was like yo fuck, why is this hard? So I love the nature of that game and it's music. Number 7 was smackdown one okay smackdown one.
Speaker 1:Uh, mainly because of the menu music, love the menu music, love the career mode and still to this day, the fucking cut scene song forever will be one of the best cut scene songs and it will stay in my head the anytime you're walking like that. One cannot. That shit chokehold nigga. That shit is a chokehold on me for the rest of my life. I will never let that song go.
Speaker 1:I it was to the point where if you search anything SmackDown 1 related music, background music, that song in any playlist on YouTube does not exist. I have to literally find gameplay footage, find a loop, make the loop and make it a reality. That's how much that song was for me. I needed it that much. I had to make it a reality. That's how much that song was for me. I needed it that much I had to make it for myself and that's how bad it was, so that that clip I made for you, like I um, whenever I was really popping on tiktok, I had started those like cutscene moments, I literally had to create the loop you had to create just to have.
Speaker 2:Yes just to have. That's great. I've kind of let go. But it's also interesting that, like that it was, that it did not that, which which just means the fact that you're the problem, you're like the only one, unless you just randomly post it on youtube and just see what people say. You know what. And then find out that there's like a small subsect of people who've been like. I've been looking for this for so long.
Speaker 1:The thing about it is the song actually has more than just that loop. There are moments where if you, I guess, if there's a backstage segment that allows it there's an extra part to it, and that's the part I've yet to hear. So it's a full song. It's not just that loop, there's something else to it and I've heard it and I'm like I want to hear the full fucking song, just like the sa rio's theme song back in the day.
Speaker 1:Remember how sa SA Rios you could find it on YouTube and it was like da-dum, da-da-dum and it would cut there and it would just be a trash loop every time. So, but now the song doesn't have the trash loop anymore. You can go on Spotify, you hear the whole fucking song now. But a part of me still remembers the loop and you're like wait, the loop's not there anymore. Oh, this is different. I hear I hear the whole song now. So I don't know if a part of me is like, if I ever hear the full song, would I actually be satisfied? But I'd be like oh, actually the loop is okay.
Speaker 1:Yes yeah at that point I guess you gotta find Smackdown we don't know who knows where that game's at now. Oh yeah, so number six. Let me guess what your number six is. Real quick, I'm hoping it's probably. Is it WWF Attitude?
Speaker 2:no it is not damn. What is it?
Speaker 1:I'm hoping it's probably Is it WWF Attitude. No, it is not. Damn what is it.
Speaker 2:It's SmackDown vs Raw 2010. That's a good one. Smackdown vs Raw 2010 was To me, when it came to that lineup, that was peak. The only thing it was missing was if it would have actually had GM mode. But at this point I think GM mode was gone. But in 2010, that was when you didn't have to go online and do the cawcom, which I used to love that site oh man the this was oh my god, that website was top tier bro.
Speaker 1:Top tier website here, golly bro, this was this was?
Speaker 2:this was that? This was when you the first time you could actually download created wrestlers was yeah, for 2010. 2010 was like peak created wrestler stuff. Like that was when they gave you like I think it was. I want to say, it was actually more than 50 like it was in like 2010, or maybe it might have been the next one because the previous slots were only 25 for the longest.
Speaker 2:For a very long time and then it jumped to 30. And then it went to 50 for a little while, but it was like but this was also when you could create a logo, or if you wanted, you could create a logo or create your own tattoos and all this other stuff. So people create a report, wasn't there?
Speaker 1:one where you could also create your own taunt. There was one. You could create a taunt.
Speaker 2:Yes, yeah, you could create a taunt, you can create your finishing move, you can do a. You can create an off-the-top rope finishing move. People jump in freaking people jump in the, jump up and exorcist in the middle of the air and some of the weird, weirdest, jankiest shit I've ever seen, like I'm just looking at the gameplay on it, I'm like, I'm trying to remember, like wasn't it the first to do slow-mo too?
Speaker 1:no, yeah, it was the first to do slow-mo. Yo, actually I remember that because, remember you, it wasn't the spin ones, but like you could slow-mo and the the lights. The lights would dim and then boom, you hit this.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, okay, okay, yeah, smackdown versus raw 2010 was a very special time and that was honestly when vtcw was created, like officially, because I think, although I think in the games preceding it, that was when you could then create your own arena stuff and that's when it really got cooking. I could not find which one was the one that I I want to say it might have been Smackdown vs Raw 2013, where, like, making a federation was like hitting its peak before it did its unfortunate fall off into foolishness. But yeah, that's my one right though.
Speaker 1:Well, mine was attitude, but yeah, that's my one right there. Well, mine was attitude, wwf attitude. A lot of this was more so nostalgic for me. It was something about like it wasn't great gameplay, it wasn't like the best gameplay ever, but it was something about back in the day when we used to play that game. Did I ever tell you I actually had an absolute fear for one of the theme songs? Like, like, as a child I actually was terrified of the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, my knees. For some reason, that song back in my childhood terrified me. Looking back at it, I'm like what was so terrifying about it? And I don't know if it was like you know, good old christian boy terrified type shit. I don't know what it was, but it was something about. It was like I couldn't hear it. I couldn't hear that. I just couldn't do it and I listened to it. Now it's like, oh, shit on your knees, yeah, what's up popping? Let's get it going.
Speaker 2:I remember that game being kind of cool but, like at that time I was really bad at doing like the button mash commands so it's like I couldn't I never could do any moves Like I never did.
Speaker 1:I mean, that's why I'm good at fighting games, cause I did all that shit.
Speaker 2:No problem, all that shit was no problem. Yeah it, it wasn't. It didn't work for me too great. I just would.
Speaker 1:I would just fill up my brother's creative slots with with, uh, the cane universe I will also say another reason why I enjoyed it is because of the entrances having talking capabilities like dilo browns, you're the one who sucks punk, not me, and it does the dumb ass neck walk and shit like that was good. Jerry king's fucking entrance was good because he would just roast the entire fucking audience. Love that we had Head as a playable character. What the fuck it was. Just that game was wacky. It was so interesting and very wacky.
Speaker 1:Somehow they still made the fucking Gangrel entrance dope. It was just. It was very nostalgic for me. The childhood in me loved that game. Um, even though it wasn't that great of a game, it was still like man the remember. The blood mechanics on that game was stupid too. Like. Well, it was stupid as in. Like it was realistic too. Like if I hit you in the arm with a barbed wire bat, blood was on.
Speaker 2:Yeah, you were like like you in the arm with a barbed wire bat blood was on your arm too. You could actually bleed in random spots on your body, your arm.
Speaker 1:Ankle leg.
Speaker 2:Bloody your leg. It was really fun, some interesting things, really really fun.
Speaker 2:I remember as a kid I could never get a grasp on that game, that attitude and Warzone Like I never was able to get a good. I could never get a good grasp on the game to like Like I could play it enough where I can, you know, get a little far in like the actual, like the story mode and stuff like that. But there was a point like yeah, I never won a belt. You know what I'm saying, so I would just sit there.
Speaker 2:However, outside of the rainbow colors of canes that I used to make, just because that outfit was there, I actually did create my first ever character whose name was there. I actually I did create my first ever character whose name was Killer. That was my first created character.
Speaker 1:History lore Getting good loot here from Swag Switcher. Okay, so what was your number five In fact? Let me guess real quickly. Actually, no, I'm not gonna guess. That's tough.
Speaker 2:that's tough, go ahead so my number five was straight up Smackdown vs Raw the original, okay, the original there you go, the more that you're thinking that was the thinking.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that wasn't, that was. That was the, that intro to that game. Like I miss good intros to wrestling games because those would be like, man, you pop the game in, you see the intro and if that shit didn't make you fucking want to play it, throw it in the garbage this one like this game was.
Speaker 2:this game was great because like, which is funny, because like for the reasons why people didn't like it are the exact reasons why I loved it Like cause, like SmackDown versus Raw.
Speaker 1:What was it? What was about it?
Speaker 2:People did not like the fact that they kind of slowed down the game, slowed down the pace of the game, and I'm like no that that made it better.
Speaker 2:I like the slower pace because it felt more real kind of thing, and so, like I love the, I love that it slowed down. They slowed the pace down a bit. Um, this was when you first could actually create your own belts and everything like these. Like there were certain quality of life things I like. And this was also like at this point we're getting, we're getting more refined on creative wrestler, because during this time of era of wrestling game, I was hooked on creating wrestlers Same, same and it was like going from here comes to pain, where the creative wrestlers were really goofy and stuff like that. So now versus Raw if I'm not mistaken, I think it was like the beginning introductions of like you have your entrance gear and you have oh yeah, yeah, I think that was.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you didn't always just wore the same shit, yeah, so like that started, that became a thing.
Speaker 2:So it's like now my wrestler, now my creative wrestlers, are starting to get more personality and stuff like that, and and and. Now at this point, because for a long time, for a long time I just did not create myself on the wrestling game. I just I didn't want, I didn't like it yeah, at least I never liked how it looked like I did not create myself, like after no mercy.
Speaker 2:I did not create myself on a wrestling game until, like, here comes the pain, here comes the pain was like the first time I really started like creating myself as a wrestler. I think at the very tail end of shut your mouth, I did but like, but that was like. I think at the very tail end of shut your mouth, I did yeah, yeah, yeah, but like, but that was like as we were transitioning to, here comes the pain, here comes the pain with what I finally was when I finally started actually creating myself, type thing. But I know what was I about to say? Oh no, actually, that's, that's actually, that's that's later on, never mind no, so yeah, that's my that's my my number five.
Speaker 1:You, once I tell you you're gonna be like, yeah, saturday night slam masters okay. Yeah, that's a given for me, because that is literally the game that I grew up on. I remember that. If you remember the arcade that I grew up on, I remember that. If you remember the arcade that was nearby my house where, interestingly enough, antonio lives in that same area now, so where Antonio lives remember that arcade that we used to go to where they had the 50 cent hot dogs.
Speaker 1:Oh, that's a deep cut. Yeah, that's a deep cut. Yeah, that's a deep cut. So that arcade was, I think, where that skating rink at and there was a Hooters there. I lived in that complex next to it. So it's like whenever, when I went to Antonio's house and I was like, oh shit, this is a flashback for me because this is where that arcade was and I lived in that complex in the back, so that's where I first got introduced.
Speaker 1:I barely remember that because it was very, very brief. It was very brief, very brief um like ooh, like it's so fuzzy, but I do, I can recall actually the reason why is because mom lived there when I was still living in North Carolina, so I never technically lived there. I was visiting mom that summer and that summer you came over to hang out. We would go to the arcade, so we weren't really in the house.
Speaker 2:Now, is that the place that had the? Is that the spot that had the long, long ass stairway to get to the?
Speaker 1:Yeah, to her, to her apartment.
Speaker 2:Yeah, Like you would walk in and then you have to go up like like a 20 flight stairs to get to the top floor.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, that was that was it.
Speaker 1:Damn Wow, that was it. That was it. Damn wow. That was really fuzzy in my head for a second. Yeah, that was it, because we had to walk everywhere with that, so I had to walk. I would ask my mom to take me to the arcade. She's like no, you can fucking walk there, being a fat ass at the time, not one walk, still fat ass anyway. But um, so she, she, we would walk there and she would give me like I think she gave me like 20, maybe like 30 bucks. I would go play all the games. I would get all the hot dogs and shit that I wanted, or whatever fuck. And uh, that was also where I got introduced to tech and five. Um, and my journey with teching became two.
Speaker 1:But that arcade itself was the introduction to saturday night slam masters and I was like wait, street fighter and fucking wrestling, where the fuck was this at? So you knew me as a street fighter kid. That was just my shit. So now you introduce this game to me in the game. It didn't have a lot to it. It didn't have a huge story, it was just the idea of taking two of my favorite worlds together and just making it a game, and that's where I started growing into that desire of like why is this not a thing now? Why is Capcom not making this a thing now? Why have we not made another one of these? And that's where the Saturday Night Slam Masters show for me came to fruition with the CA dubs, yep, ca dubs, yep, yep, yep, yep. So that was five for me, um, four for you so now we're getting to the nitty gritty stuff here uh number four um, which was a hard choice to figure, but number four ended up being.
Speaker 2:Here comes the pain no fucking way.
Speaker 1:Holy shit, this is throwing me off.
Speaker 2:Now I'm ready to hear these number ones here and and we've talked about here comes the pain, and everything about here comes to pain absolutely is fantastic and great, and but as well as things where the one, the game that comes up as my number three, there's a very specific, key reason why it became number three over. Here comes to pain okay but yeah, all right, we don't have to. I don't even have to, we, the world knows why.
Speaker 1:Here Comes the Pain is one of the greatest wrestling games we all know that we don't gotta fucking talk about that shit.
Speaker 2:We don't gotta talk about that shit. I don't gotta, I don't gotta beat the dead horse, no, no that is dead, but I'm, I'm gonna be.
Speaker 1:I'm gonna be curious if it's my number four. I'm actually glad it's.
Speaker 2:I'm glad it's in your list because I question if it should have been in my list it is I'm about to say niggas it's in there.
Speaker 1:The thing about it is, I was very debating on if it was number three, because my number three and for anybody who doesn't know, def jam fight for new york. You're living in a fucking rock, get the fuck up, um, but def jam fight for new york it was really pushing it for three or two. For me it's really pushing it because number three for me was smackdown versus raw seven. That was my number three and mainly because of the thing we were just talking about what made it such a wrestling game. But the only thing that made it better for me is because it was still wwe. So it was still that the echelon of the wrestling game that we know. But fight for new york was it was hood, it was hood, it's fuck and uh, 100. I just wish it had more to it afterwards, like, yeah, you played the story mode, it did not have great replay value that's what I'm saying like it would have made it unfortunate.
Speaker 1:It would have made number three or almost two if it had great replay value and which is fair. But uh, that was my three and four, so you can go ahead with your three then so my three is smackdown versus raw 06 and the reason why 06 GM mode was perfect.
Speaker 2:06 GM mode was so perfect In 07, they tried to add these extra elements to it that, to me, kind of made it lose some of its feeling. It made it feel like it was too man, what the it? It felt more railroaded, like you know, if you do this and then you do this, this is what your result's going to be, as where with the other one, it just felt more unpredictable kind of oh yeah, this was the really hard gm mode.
Speaker 1:Yeah, this was the really hard one.
Speaker 2:Oh, yeah, it felt more, it was more challenging and like it, and it felt like it got more crazier, as were the other one. It got too structured and it's one of those things like with 06, as like the like, as far as like graphics wise and the gameplay wise, 06 and 07 are almost interchangeable, outside of the fact that, like you know, as the as the games went on, it got better money cost for yo.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you know honestly, you, you swag. You've always been that and I'm surprised as much as you gotten into wrestling or stuff like that. Why have you never thought about getting into booking?
Speaker 2:because I have to find a way into wrestling and, as of right now, the only way I can get into wrestling is becoming a wrestler. In my mind, I have not found the door. I haven't found the booking door. I would love to be a booker. That'd be great. I feel like as much as you play.
Speaker 1:GM mode. And as much as you talk about GM mode, I feel like if you hey, I'm not going to say who your connection is, but you know what your connection is I feel like if you hung around that connection enough to be around that echelon of people and see how can you get your foot in, I felt like dude you'd be, you'd be really like detailed into that, like that would be like your lane and plus, as a booker you have so much longevity in the industry because, say, yeah, you're 34 now I mean you could be doing this shit in your 50s. You know I'm saying so like, yeah, you really just gotta get your foot in the door, dude, you really, I just I have not.
Speaker 2:I gotta find the door. That's where I'm at when it comes to that, because I would. I think it's because we don't know.
Speaker 1:I think we don't know who to start Because, like the world of wrestling, you know what it takes to do it, but, like because there's no, like job applications or blah, blah, blah, like you do it within right. So you just don't know how to start because, like even for us, it's a who you know kind of business yeah, it really is, really is. So I feel like that's a deep dive for another day, but number and number one.
Speaker 2:So Well, I'll tell you what my number two is.
Speaker 3:And my number two was Def Jam, specifically Fight for New.
Speaker 2:York. My number two was Fight for New York, because what?
Speaker 2:wrestling could not give me def jam did, and that was the.
Speaker 2:The attire like I literally on def jam made me like I, like I look like myself, I had the jewelry, like the visual of it all was spot on as far as, like my created character.
Speaker 2:I would just replay the game and just fight people over and over and over again because I loved seeing my freaking, blinged out self in these wild ass moves that you could do on that game. Yeah, and once again, it always goes down to that. I love the swag and I love the cool factor and if I can make myself look as cool and as swag as I can, the game is a dub, and def jam did that for me almost more than any wrestling game until we started getting into like the later wrestling games, but with that, though, just the overall presentation, the music, the, and then like the story in and itself in the game was also fantastic and fun like it was. It is one of those games that it had no flaws and then they made the new one and they put a whole bunch of flaws into it and, like you, had the formula right Get this real quick.
Speaker 1:They lost the foundation.
Speaker 2:Yeah, solid.
Speaker 1:Just imagining to opening up your game, because it always was this for me, because I made that playlist.
Speaker 2:It was always that me Cause.
Speaker 1:I made that playlist. Yeah, you always open it.
Speaker 2:You just open the game Then. I'd be another song, yeah.
Speaker 1:Every time, but that was the opening track.
Speaker 1:Sticky fingers, by the way, guys, for anybody who doesn't know sticky fingers man up. That was the song. It's still to this day. It we your fingers man up. That was the song. It's still to this day. It we used to at one point just shout that shit out, just the foundation, and randomly any moment, um.
Speaker 1:So number two for me actually was here comes the pain, here comes the pain was number two for me. I feel like I don't know who in. I feel like obviously it was you that introduced it to me. But whereas, uh, no mercy, no, wrestlemania 2000 was introduced to be my friend of mine named keith, back in the day here comes, here comes the pain was the game. That was like it was both of us, because we've had games where, okay, you played, uh, I played day of reckoning. I know I played day of reckoning. You didn't played Day of Reckoning. You didn't play Day of Reckoning that much. You didn't play WrestleMania 19 that much, because you didn't really have it and you had 18. I didn't have 18. So there were certain games that where one of us was dominant in the other area because we both either had the game ourselves here Comes the Pain was the game that we both had it at the same time at the same place and we were both in that playing field of playing the fuck out of it.
Speaker 1:So that's why it was number two for me so many hours put into that game like, if steam, if steam was a thing back in the day and it could show how many hours we put in it because you know probably, probably.
Speaker 1:Oh so uh, I already know what our number one is, so we might as well. I was wondering how many handshakes we would get in this, but it's already known what we're gonna say number one is, and if your number one is not this, I think we might have to end the friendship right here. Just cut this shit off. Sorry podcast is done, guys. Last episode we could both say it's no mercy. Rumble Roses XX. I will kick you in your fucking chest, nigga. Don't play with me bro. Don't play with me, bro.
Speaker 2:I swear to god legends of your number one's, not legends of wrestling like what bitch ass motherfucker, don't play with me, bro.
Speaker 1:All star, all stars wrestling like what bitch ass all-star stars.
Speaker 1:Actually good one, though not number one, was he, but you know, no, no, no, it was good one, though it was actually one of my if we did the whole like nominations, you know runner-ups, or whatever, wrestlefest was definitely on there. And then WWF, we did the whole like, uh, nominations, you know runner-ups, or whatever. Uh, wrestle fest was definitely on there. And then, uh, wwf, raw and all the snes games. But, hands down, no mercy. I don't think. I don't think there's any wrestling fan from coming up from the 90s that would not put Listen.
Speaker 2:No Mercy is so great that you could turn on no Mercy right now and, from a creative standpoint, you could make all the wrestlers who are on no Mercy look like what they look like right now. Right now, like the last time I played, I know I had uh, I had unmasked kane on there. Which unmasking kane on that game was fun because he just had this black face. Yes, no on wrestleman 2000.
Speaker 1:He had the black face oh yeah, no, he had a blank face where it was like he had, like this weird like yeah, this weird meshed out face type situation.
Speaker 2:But I know if I put my no Mercy in right now, I know I have. I got House of Pain Mark Henry on there because I gave him the braids. Let me see who else.
Speaker 2:I think I got Tank Top Kane on there but no mask, I changed a couple of people and I also think in the coolest thing I've, that I remember we discovered the beginning of the like when you play the intro like you know, cause games don't have intros anymore but when you do that, when you watch the intro, of no mercy if you go into the game and change what those people are wearing in the intro, it would reflect, and so I remember we completely edited. Our no Mercy where it was just our creative wrestlers.
Speaker 1:Yes, oh, my God, yes, I remember that now. Okay, okay, okay, okay, okay, I totally remember that now. Okay, okay, okay, I totally remember that shit now cause.
Speaker 2:We had Sonic and Tails and they were the Hardy Boys. Or Sonic and Knuckles was the Hardy Boys, we had Tails. He was Chris Jericho.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you we had TJ and TM we had TJ and TM on there too.
Speaker 2:I know I took the rocks place, but like you, there was a time where you was Triple H and I think later on but I think later on you switched to being taking Stone.
Speaker 1:Cold. No, no, no, I was definitely Stone Cold first in Triple H, because that's when I started making the pedigree my signature for every game. Okay, that makes sense.
Speaker 2:But yeah, because the intro was so fun, it was so great, it's funny because I think now I want to find my no Mercy to see what the intro looks like, because I know I changed people. I want to find my no mercy to see, like, what the intro looks like, because I know I like changed people, so I want to I want to put down that how no mercy is such.
Speaker 1:It is literally the best wrestling game of all time. It is a game that is still being modified to this day. They modify it for every roster, on the main roster. To this day there's still mods going on where people are Roman Reigns now People are fucking Cody Rhodes. They're even doing an old Federation version. There is a mod where it's literally old school WWF but no mercy mechanics. It is the only wrestling game that's still being done to this day, and Matt will tell you why it's such a good game. Shit, aew, aew literally tried to make a game based on the mechanics of that game and failed because it's that good of a fucking game. Yeah man we don't talk about that.
Speaker 1:It's very difficult to come out with game. Actually, I found out that AEW's game is actually in a video of the worst wrestling games of all time. I was like, damn nigga, is it that bad? I didn't even play it, but damn. So we earned it's all I can say on that.
Speaker 1:You and your AEW hate money, I swear to God. Anyway, guys, what are your top 10 wrestling games of all time? We would love to hear it in the comment section. Thank you again for tuning in to the Big Brothers of Destruction podcast. If you haven't yet, please watch us or listen to us on all streaming platforms. We are on Spotify, uh, apple music, youtube, wherever you're getting your daily podcast. Guys, we are here where the ring is sacred, the questions are difficult, but the destruction is always guaranteed. Any final thoughts, swag switcher, before we head out to this uh, lovely, lovely evening and and come up to the next episode um, no, the only, actually.
Speaker 2:I do have one final thought, and that is I really need AEW to make me want to spend money to watch this fucking pay-per-view me and Matt are actually doing that.
Speaker 1:If you want to come over, we're going to split the pay-per-view and we just go and watch it on that Sunday oh, I might actually take you up on that, because I do want to see it but at the same time, it's like they have not made me want it, so I need them.
Speaker 2:They need to do something this week that's going to be like boom, because if this is what they consider, the Wrestlemania lead up to their wrestlemania of shows ass.
Speaker 1:So I fucked up and I'm actually doing a friend thing on the day of the pay-per-view, which, matt was like you're doing a friend's gathering on that night and I was like, oh shit, it is on all in, what a shame well, I guess. Uh, it's not that important to me. So we said Sunday, the next day, we were going to cook up something and watch it then.
Speaker 2:So we just got to make sure we don't watch Twitter. Good luck. Well, I mean, you don't have to worry about the wrestling, you don't have to worry about the wrestling chat, because I don't give a fuck about the AEW, but hey, it is what it is it is what it is, but yeah if you want to do that sunday well, I, what should we do?
Speaker 1:should we do a podcast? We should do the episode live there, because I'll have. What I'll do is I'll even do the setup that we've been originally talking about. We just sit on the couch and just shoot the shit and watch the uh, watch the pay-per-view Sure I mean we can give it a shot.
Speaker 2:We can give it a shot, Although let me also make sure I'm not overbooking.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, you're right, we'll get back to it. I'm very spontaneous, like that I mean shit. After this I'm going to be cooking up a storm. Final thoughts again. Guys, thank you so much for watching, if you haven't yet. Choke, slam that like button. And tombstone that subscribe button, shit. You can do both of them. I'm trying to do the things that everybody else do. They be saying super kicks. They be saying slam, fuck that shit. Choke, slam that shit. One hand show slam, all right.
Speaker 2:Choke choke slam to subscribe and tombstone that what was the? Chokeslam the like and tombstone to subscribe. I like it.
Speaker 1:I actually like that one, alright until next time, guys, have a good one. We will see you on the next episode. Goodbye, goodbye.