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Women's Evolution!
Wrestling fans have been drowning in content this week with major events from WWE, AEW, TNA, and ROH all happening simultaneously. It's been almost too much to process, even for the most dedicated followers of the squared circle.
The podcast welcomes guest Story of Sorrow, a longtime wrestling fan with deep knowledge of indie and Japanese wrestling dating back to the early 90s. Together with the hosts, they dive into several fascinating wrestling discussions, beginning with their Mount Rushmore selections for the greatest male wrestlers of all time. This leads naturally into a preview of WWE's Evolution pay-per-view, breaking down each women's match on the card with spirited debate about who should win and why. The hosts particularly focus on Tiffany Stratton vs. Trish Stratus, questioning whether Rhea Ripley should defeat Io Sky, and whether WWE will finally give Jordan Grace the push she deserves against JC Chang.
The conversation shifts to each host's Mount Rushmore of female wrestlers, showcasing legends like Trish Stratus, Gail Kim, Luna Vachon, Awesome Kong, and Sensational Sherri. This highlights how many pioneering women wrestlers have been historically overlooked despite their tremendous contributions to the industry. The hosts argue that TNA's Knockouts Division was revolutionary years before WWE's "women's revolution" began, providing opportunities for women to showcase their athletic abilities when other promotions wouldn't.
When discussing their favorite women's matches of all time, the hosts revisit classics like Asuka vs. Ember Moon, Sasha Banks vs. Bayley at NXT TakeOver: Brooklyn, and Trish Stratus vs. Lita. This naturally transitions into a heated debate about wrestling's worst booking decisions, from the burial of Nexus to the questionable end of Undertaker's streak. The episode wraps with a wild story about an inappropriate fan incident at a recent indie show, reminding listeners why supporting local wrestling creates unforgettable experiences you simply can't get anywhere else.
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welcome everybody to another episode of the big brothers of destruction podcast and we actually enjoy having another big brother in the podcast and that's my boy here, story of sorrow. Uh, we actually have a guest here. Uh, story is going to join us here today. We're going to talk about a couple of things the wonderful world of wrestling and the greatness of this week. It has been wrestling overlord overload this weekend with uh things from aew, things from wwe and even tna stuff going on as well, and ROH.
Speaker 1:ROH had a pay-per-view as well. So a lot of stuff. And yeah, look at Swag's face. He's just like bro.
Speaker 3:Another thing Fuck, it's been a lot. Yes, it has been almost too much To the point where, now, what I can say, though, a lot has happened when it came to like the listen the go-home shows this week, eh, but what we went home to most of it was, you know.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I will agree. I want to say mid, but it was really nice.
Speaker 3:But we'll get into that in a bit, yeah, so I'm ready for this topic. You had.
Speaker 1:No, we're going to get into it, so that way the audience understands a little bit about Story. He's not just another fucking wrestling fan. Just, real quick, just tell us how long have you been watching Wrestling Story?
Speaker 2:Probably since early 90s, late 80s, mostly A lot of indie, stuff, a lot of Japanese wrestling.
Speaker 1:So, like me, there you go, that's good.
Speaker 2:A lot of the early days of TNA. I watched a lot of that too.
Speaker 1:Oh, then you got Swag's Heart immediately.
Speaker 2:We bonded a lot of that too. Oh, then you got swags hard immediately. You know, we bonded when sanjay duck used to wrestle like come on, he was great.
Speaker 1:Yes, I think everybody has their tna guy styles. Everybody has a specific still shark boy shell, yeah, shark boy all day that yeah.
Speaker 2:Shark boy all fucking day.
Speaker 1:That was such a great gimmick.
Speaker 3:I have to ask you, I gotta ask you a story, only because it's just something that I like to ask when we have a new person, a new face, to show up in the place. Okay, give me your Mount Rushmore.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah, it could be from any promotion, by the way.
Speaker 2:All around Any promotion in any era.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yep.
Speaker 2:Vern Garnier Ooh okay.
Speaker 1:Dusty Rhodes is going to be on there.
Speaker 2:I can't deny Dusty. I gotta put Taker on it, I have to. He's one of my all time favorites. Last one, weirdly enough, kurt Henning.
Speaker 1:Mr Perfect is a solid one. Mr Perfect is a solid fucking choice. Actually I cannot get mad at you for that if I'd gotten older. I've been, like you know, like Paul Orndorff was a great wrestler too, though for what he was but it sounds like a lot of your choices are definitely in like in the 80s, kind of early 90s yeah, it really is.
Speaker 2:I did today's group. I'm not I'm not super impressed with a lot of today's groups, but they still have a lot of work they can do. They can get better and impressed more.
Speaker 1:Okay, I respect that.
Speaker 2:There's a lot of potential out there.
Speaker 1:Yeah, there's got to be some greats.
Speaker 2:You got like Swerve Strickland. He's one of them. Swerve's got potential to be one of the greatest Penta. I'll give him the number two best luchador of all time.
Speaker 1:Yeah, if you give him time, if you give him the proper push that he needs, he can be almost Rey, mysterio level.
Speaker 2:That's what I'm saying. Him and Rey are the top two greatest luchadors that we've ever had.
Speaker 1:Phoenix Rey I'll give him number number four or five he's up there but he's not like top quality like his brother. He again like penta for me watching him in lucha underground. A lot of those, a lot of the people like watching him in lucha story. I'm trying to get swag to watch Lucha. He doesn't know fully. He has to watch Lucha.
Speaker 2:Lucha's impressive for what they had Exactly. It was such an impressive thing they did because it was one story. That whole company ran on stories, but they worked so well and they had like they had some real banger matches in there too. I also need him to meet Mexican Vince McMahon oh, no, no, no, no, that man is such a scumbag he is, but he's Mexican but I think the best, his best work was him and Conan. Yes, Him and Conan together was probably some of the best like villain heel work you could ever see.
Speaker 3:Yes, so what you're telling me is that we need to get the promoters for Lucha Underground and put them on AEW. Yes, 100%.
Speaker 1:If you got Dario Cueto on AEW and push him away, let him be the face and not Tony. Tony, be in the background, be the man behind the scenes and let Dario Cueto be the face. Bro aw, would be fucking fire fire.
Speaker 1:Dario is uh mlw yeah, mlw, yeah, and I show I posted on my snapchat story of like look at vincent, look at mexican vincent, man just chilling drinking tequila. I swear like, look at him, he looks like mexican vince mcmahon. Right now, I'm not playing, pull, you can pull up your phone and look at this motherfucker you really do need to check out some real like lucha underground no I forgot me.
Speaker 2:I'm with this I've heard, I have already executioner guy.
Speaker 3:I've already committed to the fact that I am going to like do a binge watch of Lucha underground.
Speaker 1:You know we got to give him that one website that you sent me story.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so you can start watching. Yeah, I got to find that.
Speaker 1:Cause I see him like. The one match I see him for like a certain stipulations episode was the war of hell match between kill shot and Fox, and I made him watch that. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2:But uh, I didn't think of who Killshot was for a second.
Speaker 1:You don't remember? I showed you literally the promo where he said what's a buckshot to a killshot?
Speaker 2:No, no, no. It took me a second to remember what you were talking about.
Speaker 1:Oh, okay okay, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, because when I I heard that that promo pop years ago, but then swag was like what's that about? And I had to tell him anyway. So, uh, again, welcome to the podcast, guys. If you haven't yet, please, uh, like and subscribe us on youtube and all other many platforms that we're on, which is spotify and youtube, uh, as well as apple music.
Speaker 1:But let's get into our topic today. Uh, last week we talked about the wonderful women and beautiful individuals of wrestling and we did the scenario, the the Mary date eliminate thing, and we have fun with that. But what we really want to dive into, because evolution is tonight, we're recording this on Sunday before, uh, before we post it on Monday. Evolution is tonight and it is the second evolution that WWE is hosting and giving a celebration to the women of wrestling, as we currently know. So the topic of today is talking about one.
Speaker 1:First topic is our favorite wrestling match that has starred two women that we think really deserves that glory and that fame in the wrestling ring and then as well. Second topic afterwards, something completely unrelated to the women, but just our, what we think is our worst booked match. Not worst match ever. The match was booked terribly Okay the build, everything was just piss poor all right and led to a really shitty outcome. So, going on to evolution, uh, this weekend, uh, we have some great matches. We have tiffany stratton versus trish stratus. Um, I'm already like yeah, I like both of them. I'm a big. I'm a big tiffy time guy. I'm all about tiffy time, all about that.
Speaker 3:I don't want the belt off for at all this match is like technically like, almost like, uh, all's, all's in for you, because like yeah you also are the trish guy yep, I love both.
Speaker 1:I love trish. I've been a trish fan for years that's the fan for years you got dang right.
Speaker 1:Oh, it's time to rock and roll. I used to remember that song. I used to remember those lyrics hard by the time. I used to play it on time. But that match already, I like it, I'm in for it. Tiffy's gonna win. I already know that we got Rhea Ripley, rhea Ripley versus Io Sky, which I did not know that in every match between those two, io has won every one. So now that you pointed out Rhea's gonna fucking win, you basically spoiled it. I'm not gonna lie.
Speaker 3:I need Rhea to take this L.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I do too. I do too. I don't need Io has not had a good championship run because obviously they're not booking her properly. But I don't need Rhea with that belt right now run.
Speaker 3:Eo hasn't had a championship run you're right, sack who I'm talking about she's. She has spent more time off tv, not either off tv or being shown on. Uh, cause they have what like. If you pay the extra bit of money to see the backstage stuff that happens during the commercials, she's been seen on that. You got to pay extra for some EO.
Speaker 1:Oh no, you can see on Instagram beach side with her belt and her bikini doing nothing while.
Speaker 3:Rhea out here taking up all the TV, Rhea taking up all the TV time.
Speaker 1:I guess that's that's our brutality then this is ours so we have that match, we have the battle roll to. Whoever wins goes against. Tiffany Stratton at Clash of London is that is?
Speaker 2:yes, paris, paris.
Speaker 1:Paris this year goes against Tiffany Stratton at Clash of London. Is that it?
Speaker 2:Yes, paris, paris.
Speaker 1:That's Paris, paris. This year we have that. Stephanie Vaquire is winning. I'm just putting it out right now Stephanie's winning.
Speaker 2:Yes, please.
Speaker 1:Come on, bro. Who else do you think would win that?
Speaker 2:She's on fire right now.
Speaker 3:She's being pushed hard. It's weird, because I love her myself and I would love for her to win, but it's like here we go. She's in this weird space where I feel like they're not ready to push her.
Speaker 1:I see what you're saying Because, like for me, I would have had her win the Money in the Bank, but that didn't.
Speaker 3:They're not ready to push her. I see what you're saying Because, like For me, I would have had her win the money in the bank, but that didn't happen. For me, I would have had her win the queen of the ring, but that didn't happen either. Granted, as a matter of fact, they made me have to pick Between Asuka or her, but of course I knew neither of them would have won, because no one was going to beat jade cargill. No that, that that was like.
Speaker 3:So, at least with the battle royal right now it's very up in the air for me where I I don't know, because, for all I know, because goldberg did not win this this week spoiler they might let uh, they might let the bella win so that she can go and fight a clash well, wait, I guess maybe because the program originally, which was the bella twins versus raquel and her, that was the original program for Evolution.
Speaker 3:But obviously yeah, liv, liv and Morgan yeah, liv and Morgan yeah it was probably just going to be a match between her and Liv Morgan, or everyone was at one point saying, oh, the Bella Twins are going to come back and fight for the tag team title.
Speaker 1:That's what I was talking about. Yeah, that's the reason I was trying to say. That's the reason I was trying to say, yeah, I do not need Brie Mode, I don't need Brie Mode. Oh my, I hated that theme song. I'm not going to lie Love Brie Bella. It's so annoying, but we have the battle rule, so I take it you think the Bella will win and me and Story both believe that Stephanie should be winning.
Speaker 3:Why else are they going to bring the Bella in there? She's in there so that they can sell Clash a little bit better.
Speaker 1:Nah.
Speaker 2:What are you talking about? They did this last evolution and Bella didn't win.
Speaker 1:They did it for.
Speaker 2:Women's Royal Rumbles, bella's never won. They do it for money. I mean, you're right, bella's going to bring money, no matter what.
Speaker 1:Which to me I.
Speaker 2:She's one of their number one female sellers of all time, which is crazy.
Speaker 1:Me and Swag both.
Speaker 3:Which is crazy. Yeah me and swag both, which is crazy, bro. Like I've always been a fan of the bella twins, I was a fan of the original bella twins, all right before they knew how to actually fucking wrestle you know what I mean.
Speaker 3:You can look, but you can't touch I loved them, but even with my love for the Bella Twins, I know better. But it's also because I feel like Total Divas did the thing where it bridged the gap between normal people and wrestling fans. So it's like when she comes over here, that's those normal people who normally watch the shows on E Entertainment channel are coming as like, oh, that, that girl, that girl is on. That girl that was on that one show that used to come on is being a map. Look, I gotta see what this look like.
Speaker 1:I want to see what happens with her and this is and this is what I'm talking about too, because it's like, bro, like there's no real reason to bring her back outside of nostalgia right, because you could have brought back a lot of other people, but it's just nostalgia. So, either way, um, that match is happening and we also have uh I thought it's interesting that he skipped amy dumas this time my friend gave called by the government.
Speaker 1:Yeah, no, no, no. Here's the funny thing. Here's the funny thing. Here's the funny thing, because we were watching um aw and freaking. Uh, jillian hall, is it? Jillian? Jillian hart. Jillian hart came out with lita. Julie hart. Yeah, julie hart came out with Lita, julie Hart. Julie Hart came out with literal Lita gear. I swear to God, she looks like fucking Lita. She just doesn't have red hair.
Speaker 3:Yikes, yikes yeah.
Speaker 1:Yeah, team Extreme gear, but it's definitely Lita inspired.
Speaker 2:I think Lita. Talking about Lita, though, is that she's also in one of my picks of the top matches.
Speaker 1:I like to hear that when we get to that point, yeah, absolutely, then we have that match.
Speaker 3:We have Jade Cargill versus Naomi and obviously Jade is winning this with the special guest Bianca Belair. By the way, no holds barred.
Speaker 1:I'm on my own against the wall.
Speaker 3:You know what?
Speaker 1:I'm saying so.
Speaker 3:you already know what's up with that Listen when they have Bianca come out there looking as B-E-A-utiful as she possibly could With the fucking Boy. I need her finger to feel better, I need her finger to feel better. Yeah, I need her finger, I need your finger to get better.
Speaker 1:No, no, no, there's nothing like that. It was just the way you said. It was just hilarious. I need her finger to get better.
Speaker 3:I need Bianca back. No.
Speaker 1:I get that. I get that. Then we have that match and I think, what else do we have? There's another singles match, right? Oh no, the triple threat for the Intercontinental title, which Becky's winning the tag team. We do have the tag team. Yeah, we have that one too, but Becky's winning the tag team. We do have the tag team one. Yeah, we have that one too, but Becky's winning the Inakano match, the tag team champions are going to retain.
Speaker 2:Absolutely I know we got Kabuki Warriors fighting for these too.
Speaker 1:As much as I want that to happen.
Speaker 3:It's not Like I said. The tag team champions are going to retain.
Speaker 1:Yeah, tag champions are going to retain.
Speaker 3:As a matter of fact. So because I haven't thrown one of these in a minute, let me hit you with my discus lariat, real quick, alright, this is how I would love to see some things go down. Alright, I'm about to move some things. How he was talking about the Kabuki Warriors. Asuka turns on her tag team partner and goes heel, which will in turn cause Raquel and Roxanne to win.
Speaker 1:The funny thing is that actually people are already speculating that's going to happen Really. Yeah, people are already, Because when you said that, I think it was Russell Lamainey or somebody's already saying that they believe this is the heel turn for Oscar which, if that's the case, hell yeah yeah, people, because I remember reading that.
Speaker 1:So when you said I was like I didn't want to interrupt you but like, oh yeah, I remember reading about that or hearing about that interesting I mean I think a heel you said it. I was like, oh, I didn't want to interrupt you but I was like, oh yeah, I remember reading about that or hearing about that.
Speaker 2:I mean, I think a heel Oscar could be really dangerous.
Speaker 1:It would kind of be like if you make her NXT Oscar though you gotta make her NXT Oscar.
Speaker 2:The unbeatable Oscar. You gotta do that, just vicious. That final match with Ember moon was wild yes.
Speaker 1:So if you do that, I think you have a.
Speaker 3:You have a chance you saying that that's a spoiler alert right there for ilka oh, okay, um, speaking of athena, uh, that crazy ass fucking eclipse, bro.
Speaker 1:You saw that shit, swag, you see that shit? Yeah, uh, uh, uh, uh uh. It was the transition from eclipse to pin.
Speaker 3:It was like beautiful sequence, beautiful listen, she's all over it, she's back, which I'm great, I'm grateful for, which I was going to touch upon that on the in the world, uh, the wrestling world of wrestling, in that particular case, but the, the match that you, I don't, the match that you didn't say just yet, which is the nxt women's match, jc j versus Jordan Grace.
Speaker 1:Jordan's winning that.
Speaker 3:She better win that. So I agree that she better win she's not though there's a part of me that feels like she's not going to. Unless we want to count what happened at Great American bash as nxt's way of parting ways with the whole. Uh, monroe and and her kind of like butting heads with each other because you know a fatal influence put her through a table during her contract signing.
Speaker 3:And so, unless they want to consider the fact that JC Chang getting beat by Blake and them at the Great American Bash as the lickback it's like if she loses the title, then there's really no reason for Blake to have anything to do with fatal influence anymore Like that. That would kill that whole. That will kill that whole thing. But they also need to make Jordan grace win this, because they brought Jordan over here and they've done nothing.
Speaker 1:Yes, bro, like she, she, she is literally like even though ria still has a large run, you can.
Speaker 3:you can do things with jordan grace there is so much that they could be doing with jordan grace right now absolutely they're not she should. She shouldn't even be in it. She needs to be on the main roster right now literally, literally.
Speaker 1:I would love. I just want one entrance, with her coming out with the scott steiner chain on her head with the sunglasses.
Speaker 3:I need it one time, just one fucking time who carried tna almost as a company as a whole on her back. She sent naomi packing back to wwe and took the title from her and naomi is in the title picture. Jordan gray should be right next to her he's been, he's been.
Speaker 1:He didn't. He did not. You didn't have to let him cook, he cooked. Okay, he cooked Because as much as Now I know we have one friend in the friend group. He's a Jordan Grace fanboy. I love him some, jordan Grace, and I do agree. I understand she is great, and I know he's probably also looking at this match like she better win too, and I'm right there with him Because I've been watching. I remember I think was it Jordan Grace at one point, like one time in Lucha too.
Speaker 2:Yes.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's when I first got introduced to her. She was like maybe, but she was also but she was super green.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, that's how I got introduced to her and I'm to her and I'm right following her after that. Yeah, but I remember she was like what, maybe like two to three years into it. At that point, yeah, she was still at the lucha. She wasn't muscle mommy, but like uh, well, she big mama pump, um, but she, she kind of that's what she calls herself big mama pump, I think right I didn't, I didn't hear that.
Speaker 1:That's new well, because she has the sky star, the, the, the, the siren, because that's her whole thing, is everybody start calling her Big Mama Pump.
Speaker 3:Big Mama, I like it. Yeah, so bring her up and maybe a nice little grouping with Bron Breaker.
Speaker 1:That's why I said, that's why I made the comment I need her to come out with the Steiner chains and the sunglasses just one time. That's why I made that comment. That's why I made the comment I need her to come out with the Steiner chains and the sunglasses just one time.
Speaker 2:That's why I made that comment.
Speaker 1:That's why I made the comment. Compared to what she was when she was originally in TNA. She had muscle, she was bodybuilder big. She wasn't as lean as she is now. Now she's cut, she is cut, cut now. So but that is evolution, to my knowledge, right, unless we missed a match.
Speaker 3:Nope, that was the last one.
Speaker 2:That's about it. Cool, that just made me think of something. Though, to go back to what he asked me earlier for his Mount Rushmore's, what would your female Mount Rushmore be?
Speaker 1:Mmm, mmm, mmm is Mount.
Speaker 2:Rushmore's. What would your female Mount?
Speaker 3:Rushmore. Be that's a tough one, that's a good segue.
Speaker 2:I think I've actually Because if we're talking about evolution in women's wrestling, why don't we talk about our Mount Rushmore female wrestlers? Let me check. It's a fitting part to this theme.
Speaker 3:Because I think I've, because I think I've actually wrote that down. Let me double check.
Speaker 1:You know, I got, I got. I got a couple of them right now. All right, so obviously Trish Stratus. Trish Stratus is going to be that. Um, what is her name, Right? Um, Gail Kim, Gail Kim.
Speaker 2:She's not mine.
Speaker 1:Yeah, gail Kim oh, I loved her first came in WWE. I still listen to that theme song to this day. I said that. I remember I said that in our theme songs video. Gail Kim this is going to sound wild.
Speaker 1:Mickey Knuckles, bertha Faye no, mickey Knuckles. Mickey Knuckles, she's a deaf master wrestler and she's been doing like she originally started with regular wrestling and she got a deaf match wrestling. Her catalog of things she done in deaf match wrestling is like that's one tough bitch. That's a tough bitch. Yeah, she's a tough motherfucker and you know, as anybody is, we, we kind of made some jokes about, you know, some of these people being, you know, a little bit enjoying the stuff they, the pain that they go through, whatever, uh, but yeah, so you know, we joke about it every once in a while. But, like minky, some of the stuff she does, like she's been knocked out literally in matches before. Like I think she took like a backdrop off, like you know how they take off the, the, the mat sheet and it's nothing but the wood so off of, off of like a off and all that yeah.
Speaker 1:So off of the the like a small rafter, she took a back body drop and her head instantly onto the wood. Her head instantly hits that and she knocked out Like bam, fuck, that's wild. And she got up and still finished the match. Tough bitch, bro, tough bitch, I'm telling you so we got Trish G Gale and then Mickey Knuckles. Mickey Knuckles um, in the final one for me it's a TNA one, I think. What's her her name? Who was the girl that did the voodoo drop? Roxy LeBeau god damn right wow yeah, okay.
Speaker 1:yeah, that was that was a. She has so many interesting personas. I loved it. The second one I would say like, if there was a I would like to say a Honorable mentions Female Japanese Undertaker. What's her? Su Su Yong. I thought I was right. I thought I was right, but I was like, let me make sure I pronounced it correctly Su Yong, yes.
Speaker 2:Her feud with Rosemary in TNA is amazing. It's one of the best female feuds I've ever seen Cinema.
Speaker 1:Are you familiar with Suyoung Swag?
Speaker 1:A little bit, I know who she is, so when we went to that wrestling con, that River City one, I got to meet her. Oh, it was a real big moment for me because I've been enjoying her her gimmick. She took a photo with me and everything and I remember that. I think I posted it too but like I was like yo, you are doing your thing. I love the gimmick. She's basically think of the ring like the, the ring and the character from the ring and then mix it with the undertaker oh no, I remember her I've seen.
Speaker 1:I've seen her before yeah, so whereas the undertaker will have the druids, she will have the uh, the undead brides and then she had that whole thing with paul mitchell for a minute.
Speaker 2:That's where it got a little weird. It started getting too goofy almost like xpw goofy yeah if you get what I mean by xpw goofy with the whole. When they got, when messiah left the company yeah, they did the whole transcendence to fucking heaven. Yeah, with tna, when they had paul mitchell and sue young together, they're doing the whole like we're gonna open this doorway, we're gonna walk into hell, we're gonna see these demons and shit oh, you mean sinister minister, right yeah okay, I'm only familiar with sinister minister.
Speaker 2:Sorry, uh, but go ahead but it just it got goofy as hell. I mean, he's the reason why those two had matches, though when those two had matches together, they were bangers every time.
Speaker 1:Hey look, he's the reason why the NWA is fucked.
Speaker 2:The whole cocaine thing with the Halloween incident.
Speaker 1:Yep, the booger sugar incident yeah. Yep the booger sugar incident is what made NWA hit the tank.
Speaker 2:And that's sad because NWA at that point, right before that happened, was finally getting a resurgence they needed, they had a TV deal, they had all that shit working out for them finally. And then that dipshit does the one thing that just bombed all of it. Yep.
Speaker 3:The difference between AEW and them is the fact that AEW ain't got caught yet.
Speaker 2:That's no, we just used pizza cutters right before domino commercials that shit was great, nick fucking cage baby uh man, I had to actually explain nick Gage to the wife and everything.
Speaker 1:I was like, yeah, he literally died for seven seconds. She's like what I was like yeah he died.
Speaker 2:We should have her sit down and just watch the dark side of the ring.
Speaker 1:Oh no, no, no, so real quick before we segue. I showed her. It was a clip of like the most ultra violent things in CZW and one of them that it made me. Did you watch that? I thought it was me and her that watched that. My apologies so was it the guy who was like he was. His arm was cut and he was like dripping blood and squirting him out. No, he literally is squirting in his mouth like a fountain they did.
Speaker 2:The giant, the power, the bomb, the tiger, okay yeah, okay, off the roof.
Speaker 3:I was a little faded that day, maybe I don't know story was there I was a little faded that day.
Speaker 1:That's probably why, um, I'm be honest, I'm I'm be honest I've tried'm tried fighting it so hard.
Speaker 2:I know I know um, but that's why I call you a pussy.
Speaker 1:Right now you can say that it's just any other super derogatory nah nah, I would never do that not that, just say anything else beyond that.
Speaker 3:I give you a pass.
Speaker 2:I give you a pass. Wow, wow, that's only funny, because Boz did the same thing. Hey-o, hey-o, hey-o.
Speaker 1:Choo-choo-choo. Okay, we're going.
Speaker 3:That's when you say it and all of a sudden, like on the actual podcast, like we're sorry, we had some technical, that's why I'm like chill the fuck out.
Speaker 1:People don't need to know that, because people know that's the issue anyway. Um, back to the topic at hand. What is you guys's uh, mount rushmore? Before we go into the next part, get to him story.
Speaker 2:I got gail kim solid luna vashon into the next part. Get to them Story. I got Gale.
Speaker 3:Kim Solid.
Speaker 2:Luna Vachon. Weirdly enough, Sensational Sherry.
Speaker 1:Okay.
Speaker 2:I hate to say this, but I love Rosemary and I'm going to put Rosemary on there for me.
Speaker 1:Yeah, Rosemary is a great character.
Speaker 2:For what she was in the beginning of her whole thing. She was innovative for her style.
Speaker 1:Very much.
Speaker 2:And what she did in the matches.
Speaker 1:She was like. I mean, she's also almost Joker-ish. You know what I'm saying?
Speaker 2:Like a little bit Exactly when she had her team up with Crazy Steve or whatever.
Speaker 1:the hell his name was. Was it the Decay?
Speaker 2:Yeah, that group was amazing. I loved that faction.
Speaker 1:Mm-hmm.
Speaker 2:But yeah, that's being my top ones right now.
Speaker 1:Okay.
Speaker 3:Those were some good picks. They really were some good picks you have to rethink about what mine was going to be.
Speaker 1:That's why I had to go first.
Speaker 2:I had to look at who really was innovative for their time. Gail Kim is innovative for all female women. Wrestling Luna Vachon is why we went from managing to straight badass wrestler. She was straight crazy. She was great Luna.
Speaker 3:Vachon had to struggle so that we can appreciate Rhea Ripley's.
Speaker 2:Actually, Maz, you said something like that earlier today. You were talking about that. Was it yesterday or today? You were talking about Luna and Rhea.
Speaker 1:No, we were just watching. We were watching AEW and I forgot her name. She was like Miss Toxic or whatever I said tell me she doesn't look like Luna. Tell me she doesn't Like literally spot on Luna. That's what we were talking about. I was watching it, yeah.
Speaker 3:Yeah, like Luna is definitely a very special mention because she did everything purposefully to not look sexy and just bad ass, but, like low-key, she still was killing it, though You're right. She was fine as hell. She just did the makeup to make herself not look fine as hell.
Speaker 1:I want to say not Shayna Baszler.
Speaker 2:Shayna Baszler hit the luna if we're gonna do like honorable mentions, I want to put bull um.
Speaker 1:I can't remember the japanese female wrestler's name oh, um, um yes I watched that thing about her yeah, um, I was gonna say that too, but um, matsumoto, uh, um, it's dump is dump, dump. You're thinking of bull, I'm thinking of dump. What's her name? Bull Nakano. Bull Nakano, you're talking about the Japanese wrestling with the really spiked hair, right, yeah, bull Nakano. I'm talking about dump Matsumoto, the really spiked hair, right? Yeah, yeah, bull Nakano.
Speaker 2:I'm talking about Dump Matsumoto? No, but I'll put both of them on there though for our mentions, Because Dump was insane for female hardcore deathmatch wrestling in Japan. God damn right, I will give her that she was a monster.
Speaker 3:It's one of those things. Like those type of names, they don't get as appreciated on our side of the world. Not enough females know how hard you can actually go. True, but to start off with my list, with my list, you said one of them which I put Sensational, slash Scary Sherry. I put her on my list. Scary Sher of them which I put a sensational slash scary sherry, I put her on my scary sherry.
Speaker 3:I love scary sherry, yes 100 and I even let me put it this way before I just liked her as being like the manager type deal. But it wasn't until I watched like uh, you know, like the dark side of the ring stuff, that I found out, oh no, she was actually a fucking wrestler, like she wrestled she was actually really fucking good yes, she just got shat on because of fucking.
Speaker 3:What's her name, god damn, uh, elizabeth, no, no, no, not Elizabeth, fucking um Mae Young's old friend that no one likes anymore, because she's actually a evil witch. Goddamn Roy. What's her name? What is her name? Goddamn Wait who?
Speaker 2:Mae Young and the other one, the one that no one likes, because oh Mae Young and Fabulous Moolah that no one likes.
Speaker 1:Oh, mae Young and Fabulous Moolah.
Speaker 3:There you go. Moolah Cause, moolah was actually. The worst Female person in the universe. She's the reason why the female industry was crippled.
Speaker 2:Cause she didn't want nobody. No, she really was.
Speaker 3:But like.
Speaker 2:Scary Sherry Her and Robin, rockin' Robin.
Speaker 3:Oh yeah, that story Listen, but I got Scary Sherry AJ Lee.
Speaker 2:Okay.
Speaker 3:Awesome Kong Damn yeah.
Speaker 2:Damn.
Speaker 1:Knowing Damn, Knowing Swag. I should have known better.
Speaker 2:I talk about Awesome Kong quite a bit.
Speaker 3:Awesome Kong, like I say Awesome Kong. My honorable mention goes to the Knockout Division in TNA Because Boom, ODB, my goodness Listen, odb, oh my god. But my honorable mention goes out to the whole knockout TNA knockouts division because I would say up until recently there has not been a better women's division than the TNA knockout division.
Speaker 2:You're not wrong, not wrong at all.
Speaker 3:I would almost still argue, I would almost argue the fact that their division is still up there in the top area. But it's just more so the way that they use their division. I think tna uses their women's division about almost as good as what nxt has been using their women's division now you want to know why, gail kim yeah, that's why, because she's the fire gail kim.
Speaker 1:She was, she was ahead of, she was backstage helping out, but then when she got fired around the same time Scott and them then that's why they're they're saying that potentially she could have, she could be an evolution and that battle rule, but she's apparently already been talked about being backstage with WWE.
Speaker 2:I would love to see Gale show up tonight.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:That would be great.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Be one of the legends that shows up in that battle royal.
Speaker 1:Absolutely. Oh my gosh, there are so many people saying certain legends should be showing up.
Speaker 2:Is there a list of who's going to be in the royal yet, or?
Speaker 1:not no, we just know certain people are going to be in it.
Speaker 3:Yeah, they know certain people are going to be in it. Yeah, they know certain people they did show like a bunch of people who they just showed a picture of a bunch of people, but like okay, no I don't think it's been specific, but um, but the last girl that's on my list is, uh is, melina of course, okay, where, whereas I was a trish guy, he was a Melina guy, I was a Victoria.
Speaker 1:I met her in person and I know some things.
Speaker 2:No, she doesn't, she's cool people.
Speaker 1:I met Tony Atlas the same day too. Most of the people I met were at Russell Conn and hanging out with Jerry Gallagher. That weekend was I miraculously as I didn't, I think I didn't have a ticket. I can't remember the scenarios, but I sneaked in day two at Russell Conn because I was with Jerry Lawler.
Speaker 2:Nice, yeah, nice, that's great, that's solid. How is the?
Speaker 1:kid, he's chill as hell, he's chill. It was years ago, so that it wasn't the Wrestlemania I worked, but it was the one before that, so the one where they had the globe. I think not when the Hardy Boys came, I wasn't there for that.
Speaker 3:I was the one before that one and no, it had to have been that one, because the one before that one and um, no, it had to been that one because the one before that was um in miami, you weren't there.
Speaker 1:Oh, you're right, you're right, you're right. Okay, I could have sworn there was another one before that, in orlando too, my bad um, but you also wasn't there for that one either I wasn't there um in 2000, I think that was 2006 no, so so then what? Maybe I got you fucked up.
Speaker 3:Yeah, you got confused. The one that you went to is, or the one that you're talking about, where you went, because that's where I got my Fruit Roll-Up title and that's also where I got my. You can't see them, but I got my John Morrison glasses from John Morrison and I got a picture with John morrison holding the fruit roll-up title.
Speaker 1:that's okay, I might have got that twisted, I might have got the years twisted, but I kind of remember there was like a back-to-back at some point, um, but I'm hanging out with jerry that weekend, hanging out with, you know, jake the Snake, which big, big idol for me. But I will definitely tell people they are obviously humans, remember they are humans and sometimes some of those humans do get really invested in their persona and their personalities and sometimes they can showcase in front of people. Just remember it is a work. It sometimes is them just being in their character and they're not always assholes. Just remember that, because Jake was definitely fighting.
Speaker 2:Jake was fighting demons.
Speaker 3:At that time.
Speaker 1:yeah, yeah, he was fighting demons, and so, whenever it happened, he had this real hot woman next to him.
Speaker 3:He's drinking a Red Bull, you know being a little bit of a dick, and I was like, oh man, this I didn't want this moment interesting because right before covid was when I saw jake the snake the first time and, um, uh, he like literally we was doing something I was like doing like a quick interview with somebody in his area. Literally like, uh, he literally photobombed the interview that we were doing, which was dope. That was cool Jake. That was cool Jake when he was finally good.
Speaker 2:It was the 90s. I met Jake in the 90s. I met him with Bret Hart and who else was at that signing you met?
Speaker 3:Prime. You met Prime Crazy Snake.
Speaker 2:I think it was Lex was then. I think Lex was there.
Speaker 1:And.
Speaker 2:Lex Luger.
Speaker 1:Lex Luger.
Speaker 2:Narcissist.
Speaker 1:So the Narcissist, Remember he was the Narcissist at one point. I used to love that theme song. But um, so the narcissist, remember he was the narcissist at one point.
Speaker 2:I used to love that theme song, uh.
Speaker 1:So, with that being said, knowing our Mount Rushmore's now, uh, I'm hoping maybe we might even see them. Anybody that we talked about being in our favorite match ever of anybody. Well, we didn't say specifically WWE, right? We just said women in general, right? We were saying women in general okay, so I went first last time. Who can go off and say what is their favorite women's match ever so far?
Speaker 3:so when it came to ever? It's a hard say, Because normally when I think of these things, I'm like, alright, what's the first match that comes to mind? And there was two that came to mind at the exact same time.
Speaker 1:Mm-hmm.
Speaker 3:The first one, which was the spoiler that I mentioned earlier.
Speaker 1:Ember Moon and.
Speaker 3:Asuka, not just the match but the feud that they have as well, because it almost ties into what we're going to be talking about in a bit, because talk about horrible booking and a dropped opportunity the whole time. When you look at this story it's like why did they not pick up on this? And the answer was probably Vince McMahon. But this is where. Because Ember Moon and Asuka when they was on NXT right, asuka was white hot and Ember Moon and Asuka when they was on NXT right, asuka was white hot and Ember Moon was turning white hot because she was big shit. Ember Moon and Asuka would have these matches and Ember Moon would lose every single time. It was to the point where it was almost on site between Ember Moon and Asuka and Asuka being the cocky you know empress of tomorrow that she was during that time. Every time Ember Moon gets in the room, ember Moon's looking at her with these eyes like I gotta fucking beat you.
Speaker 3:I really need you and Asuka's all like you can try, but it's not going to work. And then there was a point where freaking, our local crazy girl, goddamn Nikki Cross, got in the mix of it kind of thing, and she was still winning and she continued to the win until Asuka got to a point where she said, hey, listen, I've done all I wanted to do in NXT. Y'all can have the belt back. I'ma go to the main roster.
Speaker 1:Like that undefeated, bro, that undefeated.
Speaker 3:And so fast forward. Asuka is still undefeated. She's still out here wrecking people. The women's Royal Rumble. Come through. Asuka's still undefeated. She's still out here wrecking people, the women's Royal Rumble. Come through Asuka's cleaning house and guess who shows up? Ember Moon shows up. And then they had that stare down Because Ember Moon, she's still stuck in NXT right now. Asuka's out here dominating and Asuka's like, oh, look who, it is Ember Moon out here. I'm like nah, nah, this is about to be my time, my chance to get my lip back, just for Asuka to eliminate her ass in a rumble. And then, insult to injury, after she threw her over, asuka's all like ha, I still got you bitch. Were over, oscars are like I still got you bitch. And then, when Ember Moon finally came up to the main roster, nothing.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Nothing. A wasted feud Wasted.
Speaker 3:Dropped potential Wasted talent Ember Moon, while Oscars over here losing to my queen so hard. Dropped potential Wasted talent in Bermuda, while Asuka's over here losing to my queen.
Speaker 1:I still hate that day. I still hate that day.
Speaker 3:Listen, it is what it is. I agree, but it is what it is. It is what it is, but I hate that day Because it's not like her aura was destroyed, but it was like it wasn't time was not time once again I'm trying geez, I'm about to go into like all of my spoilers, but it's like they could have gave her oscar, could have got beaten by somebody else where it would have benefited their push.
Speaker 1:Push.
Speaker 3:Queen. Charlotte Did not need that push. She didn't need it Because she was already Up here, and so the way that she, the way that Asuka did not need to lose To Charlotte, is the same way that in my bad booking, brock Lesnar Did not need to beat Undertaker. Is the same way that in my bad booking, brock Lesnar did not need to beat Undertaker Because Brock Lesnar, just like Charlotte, is up here. Brock Lesnar can't get any higher than this, just like Charlotte at the time she could not get any higher than this. So, taking that, defeating it's like, but you know, so I so I want to.
Speaker 1:I want to counter this real quick, cause I felt like for the Brock, for what they wanted Brock to be. It made sense, right, and you look at it and you look at when, in the moment when it happened, you hated it, right. But then, as where they kept elevating brock as being this, like as what they make roman reigns now, like brock, was that at one point right, he was the champion that every person outside of wrestling was like. I watch wrestling now because brock is legit. So when bro, every time he came back, it's like oh, a legit person, we want legitimacy. That's what they saw in that and that's what kind of Brock got from beating Taker. But I want to ask you if you don't think Brock needed it, who do you think would have been and I know who you might think, hopefully, I'm thinking who do you think would have benefited more?
Speaker 3:at the time. Just sure, going off of it, there are two people who would have benefited more and it would have, I mean, granted hindsight 2020. One of them, he ended up getting to where he needed to be anyway.
Speaker 1:That's all I wanted to make sure. I wanted to make sure if we're thinking of the same person, go ahead.
Speaker 3:But, like I would have said, roman Reigns, roman Reigns would have. At that time, it would have made more sense for Roman Reigns to take that, because Roman Reigns was going somewhere, and then that would have made him the legitimate one and, considering the fact that he's already there, he would have been straight, however, another person who could have used that, who needed that, who could have been very legitimized and also very believable at the time, until they shat on him.
Speaker 1:Bray Wyatt, I was immediately saying Bray Wyatt, I was going to say the same thing. Bray Wyatt, I was immediately saying Bray Wyatt.
Speaker 3:I was going to say the same thing, bray Wyatt but of course, on their way to when that could have happened, bad booking Goldberg takes the belt from him, so it's like yeah, I felt like if anybody Bray could have, bray would have been in a great person to pass that torch to.
Speaker 1:But when you say roma reigns, I could see as a company wise, company wise. Yes, storyline absolutely bray white yeah, torch wise bray white bray white.
Speaker 3:not just torch wise, but they also made the Fiend. Fiend takes place of the Undertaker yes.
Speaker 1:So what if he did this? This is now a. I want to see a Descatlariot. Would it be a Descatlariot Because it technically happened?
Speaker 3:No, it wouldn't be a Descatlariot.
Speaker 1:More fantasy booking If Bray won and he consumes Taker's power, which turns him into the fiend problem is we already did that Bray Wyatt with his family.
Speaker 3:They beat Kane and they freaking escorted him out, and he beat Undertaker and escorted him out too. Bray Wyatt became the Brothers of Destruction for a brief moment, and then Kane and Undertaker I actually, oh man, I actually don't remember how that ended.
Speaker 1:Kane and Undertaker won. They got their powers back.
Speaker 3:Yeah, because remember they lost their powers yes, they, yeah, he did take their powers and then they got them back, which was really bad booking, to be honest, because it was like a waste of fucking time, but you know. But uh, goodness you got. We already talked about the bad book we're supposed to be talking about. It was like a waste of fucking time, but you know, but uh, goodness you got. We already talked about the bad booking. We were supposed to be talking about the ladies matches.
Speaker 1:Here you're right, I'm sorry, I just you brought it up.
Speaker 3:I was like whoa but the other, which was good booking, and my other female match that I came up with at the same time. I've ever met Asuka, sasha and Bayley at Brooklyn.
Speaker 1:I was going to say that myself until I had to really think about it. My answer just recently changed before the pod, but I still ooh that main event on Raw. Oh, nevermind.
Speaker 2:Okay, wasn't that Trish's retirement match Retirement yes, that's also when Lita's like the most Hated and detested woman in wrestling. Very much the same time period. That was a banger of a match. The story told in that match was on point.
Speaker 3:Yes, and then Just for Trish, just for Lita, to try and see if she can retire the exact same way and fail yeah, I was gonna shake your hand swag on that, sasha and Bailey booking for Brooklyn, but I have to change my answer oh, so what is it now?
Speaker 1:Raw's elimination Raw's women elimination chamber match 2020 Shayna Baszler destroying everybody in that fucking cage. She kicks everybody's ass and this was because I already told you I'm a big Shayna Baszler. She kicks everybody's ass and this was because I already told you I'm a big Shayna Baszler fan. When she was NXT and she was choking bitches out, choking bitches out, I was all about this and I'm like now she's on the main roster.
Speaker 3:You say that just reminded me of one of my favorite pictures that I used to have. And it's Shayna Baszler choking out nikki cross and she's just like yes, every, every, every time I used to like nikki cross, yes, yes, she's like now, like now, I want to like take that video of that happening and put that one song with the let me know, let me know yo send me the clip.
Speaker 1:I'm actually going to do that now. I will do it just for you, swag. I will do it just for you and I will send that to you by the end of this evening does that little flash when it shows like the picture of the guy, like or or the dog. So you gotta do the fucking dog, but that's when she finally goes to sleep, just oh god, um.
Speaker 2:What about Charlotte and Becky in the Hell, in a Cell?
Speaker 1:I mean uh uh.
Speaker 2:Charlotte and Sasha was it, it was Sasha, remember Sasha?
Speaker 1:Was it Sasha?
Speaker 2:Was it Sasha?
Speaker 1:I think it was Sasha that got powerbombed on the announcer table.
Speaker 3:Oh God, oh yeah, that was so painful looking.
Speaker 1:That was Sasha and her Yep. That was another good one too, because I mean, compared to what Monet is now.
Speaker 3:Listen Sasha Banks and Mercedes Monet are two different people.
Speaker 2:Yes.
Speaker 1:How do you go ass backwards in your capabilities in the ring? I don't know what's going on. Sasha Banks in WWE was phenomenal. I remember at one point our homeboy antonio that was that was his wasn't that his favorite was banks at that time, right yes, sasha banks was his choice of the four horsewomen that made me just.
Speaker 2:You said, antonio. It's made me think of the changing my mouth Rushmore for men.
Speaker 1:Antonio Inoki exactly once I said that mhm.
Speaker 3:I was like you and Inoki you and Inoki, I'm about to say Cesaro Just stripping the suit and shit.
Speaker 1:I miss that version of him. I'm not going to lie, I used to love when he used to rip that the fucking suit. It was funny as hell. But okay, so everybody has theirs. Yours is story is lita trish. Unforgiven swag is sasha bailey. Brooklyn shana baszler winning the elimination chamber raws women's uh, elimination chamber match 2020.
Speaker 3:oh, I wish that would have went. I wish that would have went. I wish that would have amounted to something so much more for Shayna Baszler.
Speaker 1:It should have, because we got the first in the Survivor Series match where she dominated, that. She dominated there and I was like, oh man, they're booking her right. It's because Hunter is holding it. Yes, I'm sitting here the whole time, like Hunter is the reason why this is happening. Yes, it's elimination chamber. Yes, this should be happening. Then dissension, like just just no, just everything. Uh, you, you could have had so much. You could have did with shana baszler and as a legit fighter, as when he became the submission magician, and I was like, what are we doing here?
Speaker 3:that goes into the next spot bad booking yes badly booked matches, those wait, say that again story the 2020 women's money in the bank elaborate, yeah, elaborate on that one is it?
Speaker 2:2020, 2021, where they had to run through fucking stanford built titan tower, oh, and get to the top. Okay.
Speaker 1:But what you expect, bro, come on.
Speaker 3:Fam, those were different times, yeah you can't really do that I almost call that being unfair, because that was COVID times bro.
Speaker 2:That's what I'm saying. It wasn't any better. They threw it right off the roof.
Speaker 1:That's what I'm saying, bro. That's not fair to do that one because there's no ring you couldn't do that Bad booking.
Speaker 3:We had the.
Speaker 1:Ray Mysterio dying. Ray Mysterio calling to his death, bad booking.
Speaker 2:I will say Bad booking or any Mercedes Monet match damn Amy, god damn as Mercedes Monet.
Speaker 3:Mercedes Monet is bad booking yes. I agree Mercedes Monet has been bad booking. I agree Mercedes Monet has been bad booking To the point where they booked themselves into a shoot with the pay-per-view that we just had, I mean, but you know.
Speaker 1:Now what will be nice booking is if Ice booking. I just watched the clip again of what's his name? Corbin Happy. No Ray, but him throwing him off. Yeah, him throwing him off and Aleister Black not coming to realization. I just watched a nigga die. I full-heartedly just watched this motherfucker get thrown off of a building and I said, no, continue the match. I didn't just watch murder.
Speaker 3:Man that shit was real casual how that went though.
Speaker 2:That shit happened so casually.
Speaker 1:It proves my point bad booking the Vincent Mann segment, where it's Brian Daniels they go in the office it's him and AJ just swinging at each other. He's like what the fuck are you two doing in here? We're having a match. Sorry, it's him and AJ just swinging at each other. He's like what the fuck are you two doing in here? We're having a match.
Speaker 2:Sorry, I think the best part of that whole scene is that they zoom in on the fucking Tyrannosaurus Rex skull.
Speaker 1:Yes.
Speaker 2:Like heavily zoom in on the fucking T-Rex fossil in the background More than anything else in the room.
Speaker 1:God damn, that shit's hilarious. I'm'm sorry, I just had to look at that clip, but go ahead with your swag. My apologies, I just had to put that out there so I've, we've.
Speaker 3:I've already mentioned a couple with uh, with the brock, lesnar and taker, and then the Fiend and Goldberg. Now I think my number one it's funny, my number one is kind of like a little bit of a no, no, no, this actually starts it. So I was going to say it's a tie. Actually, no, it is a little bit of a tie. Actually, no, it is a little bit of a tie. It's Team John Cena versus Nexus Summer.
Speaker 2:Slam 2010.
Speaker 3:I knew exactly what you were going to say yeah, once you said it, I knew it To follow it up John Cena and Nexus' Wade Barrett at TLC oh, the chair spot where he just ranged chairs on him.
Speaker 1:That was literally burying.
Speaker 2:That was burying literal burial, like John's done on many careers.
Speaker 3:For all intents, and purposes, john Cena on literal burial, like john did for other, like john's done on many careers, or in this, or for all intents and purposes. John cena and nexus scratch. He was burying him. Nexus was just bad. Bad booking from start to finish god damn absolute ass booking the worst god never seen. A. I've never seen a team get put together so specifically to just get shat on scratch that.
Speaker 2:Talk about spirit squad I. I was literally that's exactly why I said scratch that.
Speaker 3:That's exactly why I said scratch that story watching them get story.
Speaker 1:We are right here watching them get thrown out of the entrance way by dx with some of the funniest shit I had ever seen did any of you guys, did any of you guys ever catch the jab that they threw him in like a dumpster or something and it said OVW on it? No yeah, look at it again. I think they throw him in something and they stick a sticker on it and it says like send to OVW.
Speaker 3:That's crazy. That's funny. I'm going to have to look at that.
Speaker 1:I'm going to find it for you.
Speaker 3:Go ahead. Sway Number one story. We're right here. We are with each other on that, but the difference is Spirit Squad was supposed to be shit Shout out. Nexus was meant to look like what this new group in fucking NXT looks like right now, where they're going around and just jumping people and beating the shit out of each other. I forget what they call themselves right now.
Speaker 2:What about that team with like Wade Barrett and them, the Nation Bullshit?
Speaker 3:I got it right here. I mean, that one was also bad.
Speaker 2:I thought you was going to talk about the core, like him and Rusev Seamus and who else was in that group with them.
Speaker 1:Alberto Del Rio the League of Nations.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that was a terrible from start to finish.
Speaker 3:Listen all of those groups Wade Barrett in groups was just horribly booked, from Nexus to the Core, to the League of Nations.
Speaker 2:I forgot about the Core Jesus, as you should. You know what else is very bad booking the Underground Fight Club by Shane McMahon.
Speaker 1:Hold up now, that was funny, okay, was it beneficial? No, but funny.
Speaker 2:It had what? Two segments, and that was it.
Speaker 1:No, I had like three. I thought like three or four.
Speaker 3:They had a couple, but they were funny.
Speaker 1:They weren't something. A couple, yeah, but they were funny, that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 3:They weren't something you're supposed to remember they were funny. I mean they were bad, though. Like we should have learned our lesson from the fucking brawl out. Brawl for all we should have learned our lesson from brawl for all to just not fake mma fight.
Speaker 1:Look, look here, look here. Those knockouts were funny though once again and then literally be rinse and repeating you know what's a really bad booking.
Speaker 2:It's a main event for Russell Mann.
Speaker 3:It was a terrible booking choice oh, I know which one you're talking about John Cena vs Cody Rhodes no, I was going to say Brock Lesnar vs fucking Goldberg Stone Cold.
Speaker 2:The special guest referee.
Speaker 1:I hate you, swag, I hate you. I hate you bro. I fucking hate you, swag, I hate you. I hate you bro, I hate you.
Speaker 2:I fucking hate you, bro, you're not good, he's not wrong, that's another one.
Speaker 1:Hey look man, Look man, Look man, Cena needed that belt, or what was it?
Speaker 2:The Rock and Roman Reigns versus Cody Rhodes.
Speaker 1:Hey, whoa, whoa, whoa. That actually was okay, that match to create the snippy. You telling me it wasn't bad booking it wasn't. How about this? Maybe wait, wait, actually take a break. You're telling me the booking was bad for that with the Rock like beating the shit out of Cody.
Speaker 2:That was cinema, bro beating him with a weight belt again in the rain bro he's outside in the rain beating his ass. I'm talking about the actual tag team match remember we said booking, not the match.
Speaker 1:The booking it has to be everything that leads to the match that was dumb.
Speaker 2:I had high hopes for that. When the Rock came out as that villain, he was being like a real badass villain. He was doing that dark and sick twisted version and then they kind of just killed it and it went away. It went nowhere.
Speaker 3:I can see where you're coming from with that when it came from the booking. On that standpoint I don't completely follow you because I think for the result that we ended up getting I think that tag team match going into the next night of WrestleMania, I feel as if that it was it I think it played and even itself out because you know, it allowed us to get at least a relatively decent taste of the rock. It allowed us to get at least a relatively decent taste of the Rock.
Speaker 2:Even that booking is still going on now and it has gone nowhere. Would this steal it? Would it want your soul?
Speaker 1:Oh yeah, that part it's still going on with this dumb.
Speaker 3:That's the reason why I said that's the reason why I said John Cena and Cody Rhodes as a horribly booked situation.
Speaker 1:Booked match. Yeah, so that situation with Swag is saying that's a booking situation. The match between Roman the Rock versus Cody and Seth like that wasn't a bad match.
Speaker 3:The match was good. I don't think it was a bad match. I don't think it was necessarily booked bad. There were probably better options that we could have went with.
Speaker 2:A lot better options for a lot of that.
Speaker 3:But at that point then we'd just be talking about AEW. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1:Damn, damn.
Speaker 3:Now I do have one more that I did want to bring up and this was the last of my little list that I had came up with, and I'm sure you guys can agree Roman Reigns versus Demon Finn Balor oh, that was terrible we haven't seen the demon since.
Speaker 2:No, he's not. We're not gonna see him again, absolutely not. We're not getting him back wait. Who says oh, he actually said that it's not happening yeah, but I mean they overdid, it is what happened.
Speaker 3:So I feel as if they I don't think they overdid it in WWE. They misused it, yes.
Speaker 1:They didn't save it for big moments.
Speaker 3:We didn't get a whole lot of the demon, and when the demon happened in NXT, it was good.
Speaker 1:When the demon happened in the main roster it could have been better.
Speaker 3:True that match, the universal match for Valor, was it Rollins or Balor wanted to get rid of it oh, yeah, yeah, that when he first came up, the reason why Finn Balor is stuck in mid card land to this day.
Speaker 1:I mean wait, I just realized you're saying the man's name's wrong. It's Finn Balor. Finn Balor, I mean Penn Bauer.
Speaker 3:Wait, I just realized you're saying the man's name's wrong it's Penn Bauer.
Speaker 1:Penn Bauer, penn Bauer. Well, actually, he actually what's a Prince Devitt like that? He's not Prince Devitt, no more, motherfucker.
Speaker 2:That's Penn Bauer, okay, you say that man's name right, we could use a Prince Devitt, but Prince.
Speaker 1:Devitt also was demon. Finn Balor too. You got to remember that.
Speaker 3:Prince Devon's been gone for a long time.
Speaker 1:Dude, he always did the demon. Well, he created the demon persona, but you remember, he always used to do the paints. That was a Prince Devon thing. When big matches happened, he painted himself. He had a whole joker entrance and everything. Yeah, in japan he did all that stuff then which, technically, it's the demon. But wwe said, well, you have this character, let's separate the two. And that's what wwe did. But all that was prince devin, straight up, that was just prince dev. But if you're talking about terribly booked things, I need to go ahead and put mine out there, and this is a sad situation overall. Victory Road 2021 Sting versus Jeff Hardy. Yes, sir.
Speaker 3:All right, not bad booking.
Speaker 1:yeah, just a shitty situation well, this is why that's what I'm saying and and bad because, while you know he was fighting demons, unfortunately you put them in a situation where you put him in a main state match Like WWE. At least understood that. With that situation, yo, we couldn't put you, we can't put you out there like that, like until you, until you work on that, right, but TNA didn't care. Tna did not care about that man's health at that time. I don't think they did. I do not think. Or it could be the, it could be. Jeff was just like yo, I'm just let me do my thing, I'm doing my thing, but TNA knew this situation?
Speaker 2:Wasn't that Dixie Carter days?
Speaker 1:I think it was.
Speaker 2:I don't see Carter, that whole thing.
Speaker 1:No, that was air Bischoff, that was Eric Bischoff was that the Bischoff? Yeah, that was the Bischoff, because Bischoff came out there and the damn match I mean. But I think Dixie Carter was still president.
Speaker 3:I think the Bischoff Hogan era that was at the very beginning of it we got Joker's thing from that oh man, joker's thing was great one of the things best things he's ever done ta ta. That's why it's. It's because of that, it's because of that sting is why, anytime I end the conversation with somebody, I always end it with ta ta, for now now.
Speaker 1:But the only reason why I say that is because, again, the booking behind that is because, while things are kind of going on, yes, there was still moments of good jewels, right, but in booking, in a scenario of like you know what's going on, yet you still booked it. That make sense.
Speaker 3:I see where you're coming from now, because yours is more so the fact that they still let Jeff Hardy come out to the ring, knowing he was beyond, and letting Sting go in there and hit him with a move, pin him and then send it married maybe yeah, slapping the fade was a little black eye to TNA.
Speaker 1:It was like somebody sucker, punched you in the eye and you gotta sit with that for a minute, cause like it really messed up the image of TNA and TNA had a great image like Jeff Hardy's Antichrist gimmick. I loved that one. Jeff Hardy's Antichrist gimmick. I loved that one. I loved his Antichrist gimmick. I loved it Because I loved that theme song. Another Me Perfection to him Okay.
Speaker 2:I hated Willow.
Speaker 1:Okay, willow was. Yeah, I don't know, we don't talk about Willow, we don't talk about Willow, we don't, we just don't talk about Willow, we don't, we just don't, we don't talk about Willow, I'm sorry, will dancing to. They're not like us is there a video of that?
Speaker 1:yes oh, no, are you? Oh, you didn't know. I might have to look it up now, but I sent you that video, by the way, I told you about bro, on TNA, the Nimeths went to the Hardy compound and it was, as you would have expected, a crazy situation.
Speaker 3:But there's a point where I think it was Nick is like wandering through the woods and then Willow shows up and I mean it's like an alternate version of the beat, but he's literally sitting there dancing. They're playing the they're Not Like Us beat like an alternate version of the they're Not Like Us track. Oh my god, you're seeing it.
Speaker 3:Yes, Send that to me is Jeff Hardy dressed up full willow outfit, just fucking getting down with it, and it's one of those things like it lasts an uncomfortably long amount of time, like it just it just keeps going this is ass and it keeps going because he all, he just and it just keeps, and he just and he just keeps going I legit thought somebody actually put the song on there and I was like I can say edit as an edit. Like that's what happened.
Speaker 1:That's that's not. I don't know, Was that song out at that time?
Speaker 3:Yes, it was. This was right. After this. I want to say this actually happened like right after the Superbowl.
Speaker 1:Are you serious?
Speaker 3:the fact that you guys are witnessing this for the first time.
Speaker 1:This is beautiful did you see the? Oh, did you see the, the ovale w one I just sent you?
Speaker 3:I haven't, I didn't, I didn't look at it I put in the chat, but you clearly see.
Speaker 1:It says location OVW send. Nah, we're not going to do that. We're not going to do that. We are not going to do that. We are not going to do that. That is wild. I never want to see that again. I never want to see that again. I never want to see that again Because it's so stupid.
Speaker 2:It's so stupid, it's Yup.
Speaker 1:I would say that's bad booking too. Oh, remember when Homeboy was used to mowing the? Oh, you didn't Tell that shit, it was brother. Uh, what's the name for private party?
Speaker 3:I know, I know what you're talking about yeah, I've never actually witnessed, I've seen oh my nah bruh I've seen one clip of it where it's like he was.
Speaker 2:He was about to do something.
Speaker 3:but like I also wasn't, because I think when that originally happened, I wasn't watching wrestling at the time- so I didn't watch it when it happened. But I saw it on a random like. Someone posted like hey, remember when, and then it showed that video and I was like fuck is happening.
Speaker 1:I'm trying to find his name.
Speaker 2:Stardust.
Speaker 1:Yes, fuck is happening.
Speaker 3:I'm trying to find his name stardust. Yes, yeah, stardust was. Stardust to me was I don't. I almost don't want to call it bad booking. I more so want to say it was failed. Stardust could have been just fine. They just dropped the ball on it. I loved Stardust. Compared to some of the other gimmicks Cody had at that time, I thought Stardust was great.
Speaker 1:Honestly, cody to me has never had a bad gimmick Because Dashing was great. Honestly, cody to me has never had a bad gimmick because dashing. Oh that, that smile boy. That was cold, bro, I don't give a fuck. Nobody said that was cool I'm sorry.
Speaker 2:I thought that she was hilarious when they had that video release. When cody came back to wwe with uh, he's sitting in the room with a contract and you look behind him, there's a stardust outfit hanging up. Or was it a box at Hunter Center with a Stardust outfit?
Speaker 1:I didn't see that.
Speaker 2:Ooh, I missed that. Hold up, let me find this real quick. This shit's funny. I'm going to put it in chat.
Speaker 1:Mm-hmm.
Speaker 2:This was great.
Speaker 3:Oh no, I'm dropping crumbs, but I feel Cody Rhodes Stard, oh no, I'm dropping crumbs, but like I feel cody roge, like stardust wasn't the problem, I think cody roge did the stardust gimmick perfectly fine. Absolutely, it's one of those things where I wouldn't say stardust is bad. I don't think it's bad booking, it's failed booking. I don't think it's bad booking, it's failed booking. Yes, because they failed him, they failed Stardust. Stardust was perfectly fine, which actually kind of makes me kind of go back in the sense that, like Shayna Baszler, they failed her booking.
Speaker 1:Yes, shayna Baszler was fine you know, I'm thinking of cody rose again, him with the mask.
Speaker 3:Oh god, yes, oh my god, cody did not miss, he did not miss, he for me like as uh my my story when it comes to like my love for cody rose when. Cody Rhodes was with Randy Orton.
Speaker 1:Legacy Ted.
Speaker 3:DiBiase right. Originally I didn't like Cody Rhodes. I was Ted DiBiase Jr over Cody Rhodes right.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I was a Cody Rhodes guy.
Speaker 3:I thought Ted DiBiase Jr was going to be the next greatest thing since sliced bread.
Speaker 1:I will agree, I do believe that too.
Speaker 3:And everyone else apparently thought too. Then it didn't happen, and then DiBiase just fell off and went bankrupt or is now almost going to jail.
Speaker 1:You want to know why. You want to know why? Because that referee was trying to fuck on him.
Speaker 3:There it is that referee he was trying to fuck on me. He was trying to fuck on me.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3:But like after he left, when Cody Rose started doing his own thing and that's when he started doing the dashing, dashing, cody rose won me over and then he broke his nose and he started wearing the mask and he started putting the paper bags over everybody's heads and I'm like, oh, cody rose is the shit. And then, who did he join? I think he joined, uh um uh, damien sandow there it is the.
Speaker 1:I forgot the name of their team any fucking dashing dashing scholars, dashing scholars, something like that.
Speaker 3:I think it was. Yes, I think it is dashing scholars because they, with the freaking mustache and the fucking him brushing it with the fucking comb and everything, like oh it's a road scholars, road scholars very road scholars yep, that was so good. Road Scholars was great.
Speaker 1:You know, what I feel like that's a great episode we can do next week is talk about wrestlers who, man, they should have been the fucking shit but their fall from grace, either whether if it was bad booking or bad situations, like people that should have been really good, like Damien Sandow. I know I'm talking about this. When we talk about Damien Sandow was that fucking guy? Bro was the guy, and then your boy buried him.
Speaker 3:Yeah hard to. I saw that live. Yes, we were there. We're both there, we're both there. That is a. That's a never forget. Damien sandow comes out, challenges cena for the title. Cash is in his money in the bank right then. And there, damien sandow had the match. Damien sandow had the match of his life.
Speaker 1:Maz, you disappeared on yeah, it kicked me sorry but Damian Sandow had the match of his life.
Speaker 3:Damian Sandow fought John Cena last night I'm sorry last night, but he fought John Cena that night like this was his retirement match, which for all intents and purposes it really was, because after that match, sandow became was his retirement match, which for all intents and purposes it really was, because after that match, sandow became an absolute nobody. He became the Mrs Mirror. Basically, that's what ended up happening.
Speaker 1:And that even he made was really good too.
Speaker 3:Yes, after he did his little Magneto stunt, he literally became. Daniel Sandow turned absolute cheeks. Yes, after he did his little Magneto stunt, he literally came. Daniel Sandow turned absolute cheeks into diamonds.
Speaker 1:Mm-hmm, mm-hmm.
Speaker 3:And then, after that payoff, completely disappeared again.
Speaker 1:Yes. Just gone, forever Released, sent on his future endeavors but I feel like that would be a great thing to talk about next week is wrestlers that we wish ascended, but they did not or should have ascended best, okay, the how. I would like to say worst. Or who is the um, who is the? I'm gonna think of it, I'm thinking about um.
Speaker 2:Who is the best missed opportunities, like best missed opportunities in wrestling when it comes to characters oh, wow yeah there's a whole bunch I could tell you the best missed so many the best missed opportunities weirdly enough, I consider wardlow to be one of those.
Speaker 1:Yeah, a little bit, yeah, a little bit.
Speaker 3:Not a little bit.
Speaker 1:I think they dropped the ball at him hard.
Speaker 3:Bro, War Daddy, war Daddy. War Daddy is crazy Listen there was one time he was coming down to the ring I think it was in his hometown and someone had a sign and it said war daddy. And I'm like, yep, that's war daddy, for me, that's it. War daddy came home that night oh man, that's great.
Speaker 1:Well, before we wrap things up real quick, uh story, would you like to have a moment to share to the audience if you want to have them connect you on social media or anything? Are you any any final words you want to say for the audience and everything?
Speaker 2:um, at this right now I am actually reworking all my social media for some stuff I'm working on. That's a new project coming out soon, hopefully okay, okay. I'll update you when that starts rolling alright.
Speaker 1:Well, for the audience sake. They are familiar with Story of Story of Sorrow and we appreciate you being here. Obviously, this is not going to be a one time. We definitely want to have more of you guys on here and having more guests. We're trying to get more guests. Actually I know you were speaking about Swag getting Ray on here at some point. We want to do an in-person interview with them. Our first, hopefully, in-person interview would be with some people we have in store. Hopefully, in-person interview, uh would be with some people we have in store. But, uh, any final words for you or thoughts flag before we kind of topped, uh, top things off.
Speaker 3:Uh, I will easily say there has been this week. I think this week, I think, is the most like wrestle filled week that we've had since, I want to say since wrestlemania. Like, they're like literally double tripling, stacking the wrestling so much that it's it's literally impossible to try and get all of that in and whatnot. But, um, outside of that I just will say, uh, support your local indie scene. Um, I was actually um hanging out with uh, my roommate who is also the wrestler. His goes by uh, ray zion, and uh, we uh did a little show. Um, what's the name of the spot? Let me I got, let me get it right. It's uh, it's called uh, it's actually like a. It's a very spanish oriented um, a wrestling company called a wwc florida.
Speaker 3:We uh had a match, ray uh, he actually went up against their heavyweight champion and whatnot, and I accompanied him outside the ring and so, crazy crowd, like you hear people talk about stories of how crazy you know, like the Spanish crowds are. Quick story he's in the match, I'm outside the ring, I'm recording it with the camera and I'm reacting and whatnot. I didn't hear it, but there was like a group of extremely hyped up people. Right, there was a group of extremely hyped up people. He's fighting the company's heavyweight champion, who's the big baby face. He had him on the ropes for a moment and, unbeknownst to me, there's a Spanish lady who was on the rail, on the guardrail. Yes, she not only cussed him out, but she dropped the N the on the on the rail. Yes, and she was. She not only cussed him out, but she dropped the n-word on him she said was she speaking spanish or?
Speaker 3:she said it in spanish, she said it in english and she said it and ray heard it. He literally mid-match stopped looked excuse me me because I couldn't. I couldn't hear her clearly. It was like I want the sign. I'm like don't worry about what they said, we'll turn them around.
Speaker 1:We'll turn around, he's all like not after what she just said yo, I wish I could animate that, like just me a moment, just a turnbuckle bro, did you just hear that? Bro, like what? Like bro, bro, bro, hold on, hold on, hold on. Let me get right back.
Speaker 3:Ma'am, ma'am, yo, this is, this is now off, off the rails but listen, it was so wild that, like after the match ended right, we're like you know we're taking our loser walk back to the back. In the midst of the walk I think it was her husband. He literally came around, met us at the gate as we're going back, I just hear him off to the side saying I'm so sorry is saying like, hey, I'm so sorry Yo. And then what was even better?
Speaker 3:is like we go back to the back right and everyone's coming up to us. They were like bro, that lady was crazy. Bro, you heard what she was saying to you? Holmes, I'm like bro, that lady was crazy. You heard what she was saying to you? I'm like bro.
Speaker 1:I wish I would have been there for that. I'm sorry. That would have been amazing. Not just to be like you know. You know those moments in life where you're just like you.
Speaker 3:You had to be there and it was the only way to understand the experience when the uh, the champion came back from, you know when he came backstage and whatnot, when he caught, when he came to us, you know like afterwards they were saying it's like good match and blah, blah. He's like, by the way, bro, I can't believe she said that shit. He's like like he said the fact that I'm like, after you dropped me on the ground, when I heard her say that, I was like, oh no, oh boy, fm, indie wrestling, ladies and gentlemen, it doesn't get any better, but that's all I got. That's my little piece that I had to say about my day, about yesterday. Oh boy, I posted a little bit of pictures. I might be, uh, able to once because I recorded some of it. So I'll probably share some of the recordings that got a little bit of me up in there.
Speaker 1:I'm trying to find a rapper who did it, because she took a megaphone and she had a microphone. I can't remember the rapper's name, but like that would be a perfect image of basically what I'm thinking she did like screaming that to the heavens.
Speaker 3:but there were megaphones involved, oh, but she didn't have. But god knows, she did not have one. But apparently she said loud enough where the backstage heard it.
Speaker 1:So um, but yes. So I think my final thoughts, guys. Uh, watch Evolution, even though WWE didn't really promote it the way it should be.
Speaker 3:But yeah, we'll promote it wrestling.
Speaker 1:Yes, and hopefully, and everybody keeps saying AJ Lee might pop up. I Doubt it, but you know, dad, that was her big thing was women's wrestling. That's why she said, wow, women's wrestling, that's why she's there, which I remember we used to watch that back in the day, jay, we used to. What we watched, we used to watch that back in the day, jay, we used to watch, we watched, we used to watch that all the time back in the day. Wow, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's wrestling's most missed opportunities. And again, if you haven't liked the champ, matter of fact, chokeslam that like button tombstone, the subscribe button. As every week, we will be here. The questions are difficult, the ring is sacred, but everything will lead to destruction. It's the Masaku it's your boy.
Speaker 3:Swag Switcher in the building and until next time, guys.
Speaker 1:Oh wow, my bad, let's do it again let's do it again.
Speaker 2:It's all good.
Speaker 1:It's all good we always do it as our thing you said what you had to say.
Speaker 3:Story this rude ass. Please I'll lead you into it. It's your boy Swag switching in the building story of sorrow and until next time we'll see you guys.
Speaker 1:Have a good one, you motherfuckers, oh my god, oh my gosh.