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Book, Bump or Bury
What happens when we transport wrestling stars from different eras and reimagine their careers? Maziku and Swag Switch introduce "Book, Bump, or Bury," a fantasy draft where they decide which wrestling legends would thrive in the Attitude Era. This compelling thought experiment reveals which Federation and New Generation stars had the charisma, talent, and character to succeed in wrestling's most culturally significant period.
Before diving into their fantasy scenarios, the hosts engage in a passionate discussion about wrestling's current state and its struggle to recapture past glory. They challenge WWE's approach to pulling back the curtain with shows like "WWE Unreal," arguing that wrestling's magic thrives in the space between reality and illusion. As one host powerfully states: "There's something so rewarding when you predict something or find something out and then speculate it to your boys and it happens."
The conversation takes an unexpected but vital turn when they address the complex relationship between Samoan wrestlers and the Black community. With remarkable candor, they push back against divisive narratives: "Samoans are as much Black people as any other person with dark skin. The only difference is they are from an island." This thoughtful examination of wrestling's cultural landscape provides context for understanding how different performers connect with audiences.
When the fantasy draft begins, surprising picks emerge. Jake "The Snake" Roberts over Randy Savage? Bam Bam Bigelow as a potential world champion? Each selection offers insight into what makes a wrestler timeless versus trapped in their era. Their analysis of performers like Rick Rude, Razor Ramon, and the Ultimate Warrior reveals the qualities that separate legitimate main eventers from those better suited for supporting roles.
Whether you're nostalgic for wrestling's golden years or fascinated by the art of character development in sports entertainment, this episode delivers entertaining speculation alongside thoughtful cultural criticism. What would your Book, Bump, or Bury selections be? Join the conversation and let us know!
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welcome to another episode of the big brothers of destruction podcast. It's the maziku it's your boy.
Speaker 1:Swag switch in the building and guys, we're back with another episode and this one's actually gonna be interesting, kind of taking up the uh concept from the previous episode where we was doing the uh merry date and lemonade, but we're putting a little twist on it. This time we're actually going to go with the concept of something we kind of just talked about a little bit more called book bump barry. So what this basically means is you're going to be booking this particular person to the moon, this person who's your ideal main offender. And then you also have bump, which is just somebody who's going to bump into the mid-card, who they're a solid mid-card wrestler. There's somebody that that, honestly, they just thrive there.
Speaker 1:And then you have Barry, just somebody who, ideally, just they don't really work for you but you just gotta bury them because there has to be a fall guy in wrestling, there has to be a jobber, there has to be somebody that gets someone over. But in this there's some people that we just like. I don't really like that guy, I don't really like what that person presents, and that's what we work for me, brother they're not gonna work.
Speaker 1:For me, brother, that's literally what it is, and with this concept, what we're gonna also do is time travel with it. So we're gonna take some people from a particular era that were not as popular, who would be smoking popular red hot popular in that previous era, and put them smack dab into that era. So we're actually going to start off with the first. Well, I think this is our first that we both were introduced to, and that was the federation years. Right, I don't think we watched the golden era me personally.
Speaker 2:So I mean in more recent times I've gone back and I've done a lot of golden era watching. But I mean technically I was raised. I was raised on the new generation era, or at least I was birthed during the new generation era. And as far as my memory serves me, my most, my most memorable memories are from the attitude most whoa. That was crazy listen it was a hard thing to say apparently, first off, you have no right, mr Waskley.
Speaker 1:Will to Westland hey look, that has created a moment for our pod. So I think, if anybody give me some credit for creating some shit, you know what I'm saying, wild.
Speaker 2:Will to Westland over here trying to spin it, shut your, because it's what it is show ass boy.
Speaker 1:Hey, ass, motherfucker, that's. It'd be your own brother, bro, it'd be your brother absolutely. It'd be your own brother out here. So, um, let's go ahead and get right into it. One of the things I do have Hold on.
Speaker 2:Because I was just thinking before we play the game. Because we got time, I did want to. There were some things that have come into my mind and I just wanted to really get your take on how you feel about a type situation, okay, on how you feel about them type situation. Just wanted to get these little questions out of the way so that then we can put the rest of the time into just this game that you've cooked up. Oh boy, alright. So the first thing is, right now, as everything stands, when you look at the wrestling business as a whole and the state of the rest, like how, how are you, how do you feel right now when it comes to just wrestling as a whole.
Speaker 1:Hmm, and while wrestling will never be as popular as it was in the Attitude Era, they are constantly trying to make it as popular as that. Every year there's some way, shape or form, trying to market it and get it that Ooh, hit my mic. They're trying to market it and get it that pop culture reference as it was in the 90s. But think about the 90s. Man kayfabe was still somewhat of a thing. And to the wrestlers, and not saying that, our current, um, our current rosters are not as cool, but there was a mystique with those particular people. Like you know, undertaker, there's austin, there's the rock, there's triple a. There was a level of mystique in these people because obviously we didn't have social media, we're not into their lives, we're not into all those things and you kind of go off of the reference of stone cold being that one guy who would, in anybody's eyes, would, go to his boss and slap the shit out of him or get him a fucking stone cold stunner. So you felt like man, I wanted to be that guy.
Speaker 1:I don't really think a lot of people see that in current roster wrestlers like maybe they may be inspired to become a wrestler, but nobody, nobody gets that that big connection to wrestling, as if you hear a glass break and you suddenly think of stone cold, or when you crack a cold one and you suddenly drink it like you're stone cold, or you raise your eyebrow and you start, you start thinking of yourself like the rock, like there's not that cultural connection that is there and the current product product is trying so hard to appeal with it and make it so you could see it from the inside now with WWE Unreal, as if we already don't know the inside spills of what's going on in wrestling because of the dirt sheets and stuff like that. But they're trying to make it so appealing to other people that this is a product, this is sports entertainment.
Speaker 2:It feels pushed sometimes with certain things that they do and I don't like it sometimes I, I, I, I feel that piece, especially that bit where, because you bringing up that, that unreal, uh, is that what it was called?
Speaker 2:w WWE Unreal yeah, I saw a commercial. I've been seeing the commercials for it and I'm just like I have mixed feelings and I know there's a lot of wrestlers that also especially like older wrestlers, like Jake the Snake Cause To a certain degree, which is one of this also is what makes like wrestling so unique, because, like To make a comparison right With what they're doing. When I watch shows like Game of Thrones or the Penguin which, if you have not watched either of those Things, at least watch the Penguin, because god, if you have not watched either of those things, at least watch the Penguin, because God, that shit's so bad. But when I watch shows like those, normally at the end of the show they have a look into the show and when they made it and the filming of it and stuff like that, and the filming of it and stuff like that. And for those two shows specifically because I know both of those shows do it I love getting that backstage information and how that person felt about their character and how they did this and this to more engross their brains into believing themselves as being this person kind of thing, and I think it's great.
Speaker 2:However, it feels so weird and odd to do the same type of thing with wrestling, and I feel it's almost with the way that we look at wrestling, especially at our age now, because we watch wrestling and then we go into the dirt sheets and look for all that extra bit. But I think what this is kind of doing, it's almost as if it's that thrill of the chase. It's like we know it's scripted. Yes, we know the wrestling itself is real and there is that chase to want to find out that behind the scenes piece. But this new show is going to be like hey, you don't have to chase anymore, we're just going to give it to you.
Speaker 2:And it's like ahhh, why are you giving it to me that that chase is like that extra little bit that keeps you invested in wanting to believe in in that suspension of belief. Because it's like when it's like it's that weird thing. It's like when you play a video game like you don't want to game, like you don't want to spoil yourself, go online in in, spoil it like you want to, you want to figure it out through the game as it's going. You don't want the game to be all like oh, hey, so uh, yeah, here you go and it's just like it, it it's. It's such a weird thing with wrestling.
Speaker 1:So you know, a perfect example of it is the John Cena heel turn. Right, the John Cena heel turn is a thing that we've all, as wrestlers, have booked for years. We want to see Cena finally, you know, do that moment where he backstabs or whatever. Like we want him to be a heel. But like we all speculate, is this, the time is this time is this time we've done that for years where there's moments where cena does very heelish things and he still gets treated like a baby face and to know, like the whole back and forth with him and the rock that was supposed to build up to him finally turning heel, and then some fans were even speculating that too. So it's like how speak of Game of Thrones? I can't remember the author's name, what's his name? The?
Speaker 2:author of Game of Thrones. Yeah, oh Jesus, rr.
Speaker 1:Martin, something like that. He's even made a statement in a podcast. He says well, as a writer, when you write the book and it's about the butler, who you know did the deed right, if you've written the entire book and almost gotten to the end of it and you know who's supposed to be the villain or the person that's going to be the moment, and then your audience starts knowing it and they start reading dirt sheets or whatever to find out what it is, and then you suddenly change it. Your audience gets pissed because it's like bro, everything leads up to this one thing and it suddenly it doesn't. If you, if your plan was this, stick to it. If you, if your plan was this, stick to it.
Speaker 1:And as wrestling fans, the reason why I brought this up is we speculate a lot when stuff is going to happen and then when you swerve us, we get pissed the fuck off because, like bro, you were telling us the story, like the Naomi situation. We all thought Jay was going to get the title. Naomi would cash in there because it made perfect sense Like destroy Jade's moment and Jade murders you for it. It'd be Naomi's last title to the right off in the sun, because apparently a lot of people are saying she might retire soon or she don't have much time left, or something like that. I think she's on a great run. She could probably still go on, but she probably wants to be a mom now. I think she's on a great run. She could probably still go on, but she probably wants to be a mom now. But whenever Naomi cashed in on Io in that match, what? You have the story, you have the story. So you swerve it because you don't want it to go the way fans think it should happen, because you're not going to get that awe factor, you're not going to get that shock factor like, oh, we just swerved, you.
Speaker 1:Wwe has a history of doing that and again, that is one of the reasons why unreal is also pushing back the curtain even more. Okay, we all go to dirt sheets. We all go to you know these different sites and they're all telling us like, oh, this person may come back at the royal rumble, this person may come back at survivor series, this person is this, this and that this person, whatever the situation is, we go to these sites hoping that this information is correct so we can go to our homeboys and be like hey, yo, I heard a word that, uh, you know, cena gonna do this. You know, nah, it's not gonna happen. It's like nah, nah, nah, I read that shit right. And then suddenly it happens and you get that. What the fuck? I tell you, bro, I told you, man, I read that shit, this shit happened right. It's something so good when you predict something or when you find something out and then, like you speculate it to your boys and it happens. There's something so rewarding behind that, something so rewarding.
Speaker 2:So I'm only with half of that. Okay, I'm, though, I like that part of it, right, I don't mind the swerve, right, I don't mind the swerve when I. What I do mind is when the swerve is ass. That, yes, because, for instance, the Naomi thing, right, that was beautiful, that was amazing, that was great, that was amazing, that was great, that was better than them. Just because sometimes it gets too predictable.
Speaker 2:Yeah, weird things where it's, which is one of those things where, when we're we're in this dirt sheets era of fandom, where you know, we read and we look to find out what people are saying backstage, to the point where it's like, you know, we're like, oh, like, how you were saying is like, yeah, nah, you know, this is what's going to happen tonight. I'm telling you, bro, I read about it kind of thing, and it's like when it doesn't happen, I think that is even better of a situation, but only if it's done correctly. So, for with what you were saying, like, yes, the idea of naomi going on and then, you know, trying to screw jade out of her title match and stuff like that, it's like okay, yeah, it's predictable, it's like all right, yeah, cool, bing, bada, boom, business as usual, cool, cool, whatever, but I popped when she didn't. When we're not anywhere near SummerSlam for this, and she comes out there and she cashes in on Eosky and all of them. That's a fucking moment.
Speaker 2:That shit was big, beautiful and amazing, and I think it's like it's you actually get a pop out of that, as opposed to if we want to win all the way to SummerSlam and then we're just sitting there and Naomi's music is like ah, here we go. Okay, all right, let's see how this goes Now. The only other thing that now to the, to the statement that I was trying to make, though. Let's say that does happen, or that did happen, and then Naomi fucking loses. She cashes in and she loses.
Speaker 1:That's another swerve.
Speaker 2:I would not have popped for that and I think that would have been a stupid swerve. And then now, here I am, I'm like WWE what the fuck are you doing? What is this? What is this dumb shit? And that's and that's the difference between with what you were saying and then what? What? Where I feel, on that particular bit, swerve is good and swerve strickland is also good. However, when you don't swerve correctly, it crashes and fucking burns. Oh yeah, so, so, like that, like going to went, like the john cena thing right, how you, how they were saying, like you know, they, they were going to make him heal when he was going up against the rock and all this other stuff and things like that. Now, who knows how that would have truly went down, but with the hindsight 2020, I think it would have been probably miles better than this heel turn that we got right fucking now, because the Rock would still be active, correct, correct Hell.
Speaker 2:If the rock wouldn't have swerved us and then just not showed up to wrestlemania. I think this heel turn would have been amazing if the rock would have just stuck with the original fucking plan. Oh yes, but I'll digress from that bit. And so it's like, with this new thing that they're coming out with, it's almost as if that like I don't know, I feel as if it's like it's taking cause, like you know, like with this, this whole thing of, like you know, are they going to swerve us, are we going to do this, are they going to do that? I feel as if, like it is I mean, granted, it's going to be of stuff that has already happened, kind of thing, but I just feel like it's uh, I don't know. I I feel as if there's we, there's no more curtain, the curtain's gone, like they've. They're no longer pulling the curtain back, they're just you see everything, and it's like.
Speaker 1:I'll agree that it will be a little too much. It will be a little too much for To kind of unreal the trick. Whenever they do the WrestleMania untold thing it's like, but we don't want to. No, we should not be going that far back and then going over stuff like that. Why are we doing that? Why there is no need for us to understand the build-up to Wrestlemania and saying like, oh, okay, we had the conversation with this person this, this and that and we made it happen.
Speaker 2:Like, okay, you could do that part, but like the whole thing I also feel that, like um, because to a certain degree I'm not completely, I'm not there's a part of me that's not completely against it but I think what I might be against is the fact of how soon we're getting this information.
Speaker 2:Like well, you think back in the day, right back when, as some people call it, the wwe dvd era of entertainment, um, where is and they used to make these dvds all the time time of stuff that has happened prior, and I feel that those DVDs, when they would talk about certain things, they're talking about things that are a couple of years in the past.
Speaker 2:That has happened as opposed to fucking yesterday, type thing, and I feel that that might be the bit that I'm fighting with personally, when it comes to that, I like having just this illusion that, like you know, you know, if CM Punk and Seth Rollins just showed up or, just so happens, showed up at the same Walmart shopping, if they saw each other, they're probably going to want to throw hands with each other, kind of thing. Like I like having that suspense of belief, even though I know that's not going to be a thing, because that kind of kayfabe is unfortunately dead and gone, and man, oh man, how it'd be. Wrestling would be so much easier if it was still present, kind of thing like because it's like I see it in, like it's.
Speaker 2:It's something because I've, you know, I've been going to some of like the indie promotions and stuff like that and it is. It's something because I've, you know, I've been going to some of like the indie promotions and stuff like that and it is it's an interesting. It's an interesting thing because it's like I don't. It's like when with indie wrestling there's a weird like how far does kayfabe go towards just it's just entertainment in a show? Because you know, when you first get there, you know there's, there's wrestlers everywhere, they're just all, we're all just hanging out, because you know we're all, we're all friends, we're all boys and we're all here to do a job type situation. But then, like, as more people come in and whatnot, then it's like you know you kind of hang on the locker room or stay in the back, but then there's like that weird sense of like once the show is over, or like sometimes they'll have like intermission and sometimes you know when the intermission's going on, wrestlers will come out and they'll sell merch. But it's like do you stay in your character when you go out and sell the merch? So like if you see the person who you literally just had a bloodbath of a match with, like are you gonna go bother them while you're selling your merch cause, even though they're just like 30 feet away from you, or you know? It's like that little weird thing and it's like I feel it's like like that little weird thing and it's like I feel it's.
Speaker 2:It's a in regular wrestling. It's not too. You don't see it too too much kind of thing. Cause at the cause, you know, kayfabe is alive. Only kayfabe is alive when you need it to be alive. But but I do feel that in an overall sense that particular bit of wrestling is and maybe in the long run it may not be as bad, but I feel as if it hurts just a bit. I think it hurts the state of wrestling a little bit.
Speaker 1:I can understand where you're coming from with that. Where you're coming from with that because, god forbid, could we ever get a Stone Cold and Booker T in the grocery store moment again, could you imagine?
Speaker 2:That would be interesting. I don't think he'll ever be as good.
Speaker 1:I mean, let's just say it doesn't have to be a grocery store. It could be any situation, right, any situation. Just be like, hey, is that just just going straight at it. Whatever, you know, I, I feel like those moments would be great, because it's like, when you think about it, even when they're behind the scenes, they're backstage, right, what stops them from beating each other's ass? Besides suspension and stuff like that?
Speaker 1:And I think maybe if we as fans knew, like okay, they can't fight each other outside the ring and like public, because it'll lead to suspension, because they're athletes and it should only be in the ring. Like you know what I'm saying? It's, it's just like how you said before, when you pull back that curtain and we see, oh, we all hanging out. Or if you pull back that curtain and then you forget that you're recording and you see the wrestlers locking heads and like oh wait, all right, cool, we're on break. You know, let's just hang out, hey, you know, like the situation with the pandemic, like shit, like that is.
Speaker 1:Like we know wrestling is what it is, we know it is a product, it is a storytelling method, but it is a storytelling method that has rules, and it's the weird part about it when it comes to anybody watching wrestling in this era, like currently, and I said, you know it's fake, right, and it's like okay, but so what? The fucking movies you watch? So is the show that you watch like obviously the guy in breaking bad is not a fucking actual drug, you know, smuggler he's a fucking actual drug, you know smuggler.
Speaker 1:He's a fucking actor. He's a fucking actor. He can play a character and you can then associate him with that specific character. Only Right. But I can't take two wrestlers who built this storyline or whatever, and say that's what they are, and then outside of this world, they're normal people or whatever, and say that's what they are, and then outside of this world, they're normal people, but you, you, you, apparently everything has to be real for you and it's like, well, what are these dudes doing? This isn't that? For it's like okay, well, that's the same thing.
Speaker 1:You could think about somebody like will smith playing a character who was openly gay, but you don't think he is, but he was acting. So it's like, come on, like where is the line? Like it's, it's the weird part about what people see as in fighting or whatever that concept is for them. And it's just like. I think people are like, oh, we grew up out of it. So, like it's, it's not the same anymore. It's like okay, yeah, maybe you found anymore. It's like okay, yeah, maybe you found something new, big whoop, but don't bash us for it, because we still like this art form, we still enjoy this product.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's.
Speaker 2:Uh, I think you actually kind of hit the nail on the head with the fact that, um, wrestling and maybe that's what it is it's the fact that wrestling follows a certain set of unwritten rules or unspoken rules, probably more so unwritten rules that for some reason, just gets lost on other people.
Speaker 2:That, for some reason, just gets lost on other people, which is why it's like cause, which you know cause once upon a time. You know it was like wrestling was meant to seem like it was real, but it's like it's like at this point in the game it's like okay, y'all can't actually use that, that that scent of anymore, because it has. We know it's not real. It has, we know it's not real, it's been openly said. It's not real as far as you know certain bits of it. But the actual wrestling is real. It's just scripted and speaking of you know things being real and how people take them as real, the the other thing I wanted to get your point on, or just to hear your take on it how do you feel about the whole tribalism that's been going on?
Speaker 1:It's overdone. It's basically a steak that has been on the grill for too long. It was rare when it first started with the Usos and Roman, and then suddenly it started becoming medium rare. Well, me, I like a rare steak, but medium rare is normally that good cut. For some people it's a good cut. This is where it needs to be. And that's when the whole you know, tribal war and we had sammy in there good cut of meat, okay. Then that's when you started overcooking it, when, all, right, solo has the ulufala and they're fighting for it. Right, this is the best cut of the steak after. Well, like, that's good, this is the best cut of the steak. Well, this is the last part of the steak before it starts getting well and you're fucking it up.
Speaker 1:And that's when, ok, roman Reigns gets the Ula Fala. Well, there's nothing else left for him now. Technically, you just basically said the Ula Fala is more important than the World Heavyweight title. So why would he wrestle for anything else or why would he care about anything else if he now has his own prized possession? Technically, that was even supposed to be a fucking tribal chief title, I guess. I don't know if you saw the photos for that I have not. Yeah, there's photos of a tribal chief title and it was Roman's face on it.
Speaker 1:It's got the Ula Fala around the plate of the belt and I'm like, bro, ok, so at that point, medium, well, you're done. You should not keep doing this, because you have opportunities to throw all the Samoans you wanted in it, opportunities to throw all the simones you wanted in it. And now we're starting getting into well territory where, okay, you're basically telling the same story as when jacob came, and jacob's this big bad. And now you have the um, the other fatu, who came up and he's supposed to be just as bad, but wait, he's just taller. Oh, tall Fatu, he's just really. He's seven feet tall.
Speaker 2:Tonga Tala, tonga.
Speaker 1:Tala Tonga. Tala Tonga is just seven feet tall. He's way bigger and badder than Jacob, because he's taller. That's the story you're trying to tell us right now. Bruh, you can't rinse and repeat the same shit. And now they're called his mfts. My guy, I thought that was something that was related to to money at some point, because I could have sworn mfts were related to crypto and some stuff like that, or like bitcoins.
Speaker 2:That's with the letter n, nft, nft.
Speaker 1:Okay, see, I told you how much I know about that shit. But I was like MFT. I'm like bro, I'm like no way he's doing that, but MFT stills like it's. Basically, you're now making acronyms for the fucking tribalism thing that's going on, and so you have, you still don't have Zilla, and Zilla is the one who should be really in this situation because that's umaga's son. So, like what the fuck are you doing? Why are you not getting all these samoans in that one time? Do you think you can just keep rinsing, repeating the story, because the fans, I would hope, would start getting tired of it, of it. Fuck. Perfect example Drew McIntyre. He had made a comment about somebody. He says hey, if you're really bored at your job, just turn your last name to Fatu. That's all you gotta do. They'll push you to the moon, they'll put you on TV. Just turn your last name to Fatu. And I was like damn, that should let you know.
Speaker 2:For one. That wasn't actually where I was going in the conversation.
Speaker 1:Oh, I heard tribalism.
Speaker 2:My, bad, I heard like the, but I'm glad you was able to get that off your heart, because I didn't want to stop you, because I'm like he needs to get this out. I can feel it. I can hear it in the tone of his voice that he needed to get this off of his chest Because it was cooking for a while. I'm like you know what. I'm glad I could let. I'm glad I could be the gateway to allow you to get this out of your system, because you needed to get that out. I was talking about the tribalism Between WWE and AEW. However, I think you actually came up with A better thing to sweep, cause you came out of that one Hella, passionate about what you had to say With that bit. I'm like you know what I'm laughing, cause. Speak your truth, brother.
Speaker 1:Speak your truth that's some goddamn bullshit, bro. I trusted you, bro. I trusted you, bro. Speak your truth, brother. Speak your truth. That's some goddamn bullshit, bro. I trusted you, bro, I trusted you, bro.
Speaker 2:I trusted you. You needed that to get out in the open and I'm glad we got that out. I trusted you. Be your own people bro, I'm telling you, bro, be your own people bro.
Speaker 1:I'm telling you, bro, it be your own people. Bro, blotting and shit bro. Oh God, he was like I'm going to bait. He said I'm going to pull a John Cena. Oh, that's a clickbait question. And boy was that clickbait.
Speaker 2:Oh man, oh man. However, that does lead into something else that I didn't think to want to bring up, but but it does kind of follow this interesting line, especially with us being gentlemen of color, and that is the fact that I don't understand or know when or why the black community decided to just cut Samoans off, like I.
Speaker 1:That is such a crazy thing, because I've been seeing because they heard apparently um Jacob say the N word in a song and but I feel like goes deeper than it.
Speaker 2:It's deeper than that and it's like because the one in my mind, which one?
Speaker 1:the one video where that guy he likes trying to bring racist that's, that's what I'm talking about.
Speaker 2:Okay, because, like so, ever since Maz over here, he sent me this guy who he kind of sort of like, he does a lot of touching on certain racist topics in wrestling and stuff like that and he's one of those people who is, on that, very pro-black, you know, mindset type of thing, black, you know mindset type of thing, and so, but there was one of the videos, of the many videos he sent me or actually he only sent me two and I went and I he was almost in a sense saying like, hey, listen, samoans are not Black people.
Speaker 2:Okay, they have their own culture, they have their own thing, but for whatever reason, they allow Samoans to portray Black stereotypes and it gets them over, while actual Black people in wrestling get nothing. And I'm like that's a bit of a, that's a reach and that's also like that's such an odd and backwards mind frame of thinking, because and maybe I'm just in a weird spot of faking this but Samoans are as much of Black people as any other person with dark skin. The only difference is the fact that they are from an island.
Speaker 1:I mean technically. Primarily. We're not from an island, but we are from a culture that somewhat can look like Cowboy.
Speaker 2:The only difference between Samoans and your stereotypical African-American is the fact that the Samoans, they are still very connected to their roots, that is, from the island Negroes like you and I. I don't know what tribe in africa I originated from. My blood family came from.
Speaker 1:You know what I'm saying like and none of in most? I don't well, not most, but some people are not really looking for that too exactly some people, some people are proud to be, like I'm an african-american, I was born here and all that other stuff, like that's one thing.
Speaker 2:And this is not shooting down anybody who's like listen, I am an African-American, but you know, my subsect of family stems all the way to the Ugandan tribes. Like, if you know that and you can and you like to still uphold to those Ugandan tribe you know what's the word? I'm looking for Traditions Then please do it. More power to you. But if you are someone who upholds to those Ugandan tribe traditions and you are of dark skin or know, especially in relations to in america, that doesn't make you any less of a black man, nope, or or any less of a person of color. So for people to be all like samoans are samoans. They're not. Because since you sent me that video, it's always as if Facebook or YouTube have been like oh so this is what you're into, bet, let me give you some more of these videos. And I'm just, and it's like let me give you some more of these videos and content. And I've been seeing it's not.
Speaker 2:There's a lot of people who feel this way about samoans. Now, I could, there's a small bit I could agree with, which was kind of sort of what you was kind of getting that a little bit. It's like all right, sure, maybe wwe is kind of, you know, lapping on the love of Samoans Just a tad bit much. But I don't think Samoans, I don't think, I don't really believe that the Samoans who are like being pushed right now Are being pushed in a way where they're Undermining other people, because most of these Samoans who are coming to WWE they got clout from being on the indies, so it's not like they're just coming in and then they're like oh wait, you're Samoan, all right, push you to the moon. You're Samoan, part of that family. Push you to the moon.
Speaker 2:Now, sure, maybe the fact that they are Fatus and Tungans, that might play a bit of a role in it. But at the same time, the Tungans and Fatus that they've brought in, they were big shit somewhere else, the Tungalowans, they were fucking destroying people over there in New Japan. So it's not like they brought them over here and they're like you're Samoan, we're gonna push it. You know what I'm saying. As you call what you call them Tall, tall tongue, tall tongue, tall tongue. Like I don't know much about him, but from what everyone else has told me, he was a freaking.
Speaker 2:He was a freaking monster On the indies and he had a lot of clout that followed him. Same with jacob. Jacob was making his like I. I know people and have met people in the indie circuit right now who are all like, oh yeah, no, that man, we love him, we say nothing bad about that boy kind of thing, and so it like these are made men Okay and, as we know, especially with the WWE we have right now, wwe is bringing people in and pushing people. Who's going to make them money? And at the end of the day, all of these Samoans are niggas. I have under great word from friends who have met them and talked to them they are N-I-double-g-us Okay and so N-I-double-guh-us Okay.
Speaker 1:I mean real quick, because I even seen a video. It was like Jacob was saying something to somebody or whatever. And Jacob, I don't think I'm doing anything against them, because they were throwing up signs, but they were gang affiliate, Like him and Zilla. They were throwing up Like bees and stuff. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2:There is a video of Jacob Fatu years ago, like over 10 years ago, right, and it was at a family reunion, all right now I think, since jacob fatu has definitely changed. But you know, jacob, he's, there's no secret, he's been to jail yeah, they even use it as an angle on smackdown oh yeah, that part.
Speaker 2:But like he's, you know, it's like he's been to jail and it's like he he is. And that video that I saw of him, this was like, like I said, it was like someone died in the family. It was like 15 years ago and so it's like you see all the family members. And it's funny because I'm looking at this and I'm like, damn, this feels like a Black people funeral. The only difference is the fact that even the guys have really good hair. That's what makes Samoans better than niggas to a certain degree.
Speaker 2:Samoans have great hair Because their hair they don't have to straighten it, they don't have to put a hot iron to it to make it just be straight and flowy and shit their hair just naturally does that boy or girl. So I can understand why niggas probably hate on samoans a little bit when it comes to that bit. But it's like he was oh my, it was like it. Like I watch it and in my mind I'm like man, I wonder if he looks back on this and gets embarrassed, because he was like I'm talking. It's like, hey, what's up? Some you know this is my uncle, we hear that Like he was just going at a funeral and I'm just like oh, jacob, you were so young, so foolish so immersed in the streets, so exactly.
Speaker 2:And so product of the streets. So exactly, you're a product of the streets, exactly 100%. Not any streets, but the streets of California. And I'm like for people to get so upset about him saying nigga in a track with Rakeshi and my mom, like have we forgotten that he is Black? Or has the Black community like how did the Black community accept Gingers, which I also humbly accepted to the Black community of family? They are our red velvet cousins but then we drop Samoans, people who have been with us from day one, like it's craziness to me. I don't understand why people are doing that. If anything, they're like our strongest allies.
Speaker 1:Outside of the Latin community.
Speaker 2:Exactly. It's like I don't understand why people are, unless it's just a jealousy factor, that everyone's just really jealous that the Samoans are getting all this star time and all of this, because then they'll bring up people like the like the street profits are like man. You know the Samoans gets all of this stuff and Samoans can can do rap and act hood and thug and all this other stuff. But then you know people like the street profits, you know like no one cares and I'm like no, that's not it, no, that's not it straight profits.
Speaker 2:You know, like no one cares, and I'm like, no, that's not it. No, that's also in in one of the videos that you showed me. It was, oh, no, one of the videos that I found that was talking about this type of thing. They're all like you know. They're talking about xavier woods and kofi kingston and how you know they, they had. They're like you know they. They were poking fun at the fact that you know how the Usos can wear the fitted caps and be hood, while Xavier was the Kofi Kingston you know, ooh, you're, you're, you're camera. Oh, no, I'll say, like, whenever you try not to move so close, cause, when you move closer camera, like it's crazy and fuzzy, you got it Like he's trying to focus in, but close your camera like it's crazy and fuzzy, you got it like he's trying to focus in, but it's like they're talking about how, like kofi kingston and and xavier woods are being portrayed as like nerds and I'm all like bro, have you do?
Speaker 1:you not know who they are? Have you not watched up, up, down, down you feel me?
Speaker 2:I'm like bro. That's because they are nerds. That's what they kofi kingston and xavier woods are being portrayed as exactly who they are. I think the street prophets are being portrayed as exactly who they are. If the if they would have had the street prophets come out of there with freaking fitted caps and baggy pants, that would be a horrible choice, because that's not who they are. You know what I'm saying. That's not the type of nigga that you're supposed to. That's not the type of nigga they relate to. They relate to niggas like us, the suburb boys. You know what I'm saying. It is what it is. And it's like the Usos, jacob Fatu, especially Jacob Fatu Like, yeah, like those guys, those are hood boys, all right, and just because they came from an island does not mean anything, because they are still black and I don't know if you know we've forgotten in these later years, but it's like you know, if you would have taken one of them, tongueas, taking you, taking one of the street prophets, taking Kofi Kingston, put them all in a line and put them in front of a KKK member, you know what that motherfucking gonna say you're all and you deserve to die.
Speaker 2:And so it's like so we're still black to them. We're still black to them, and I don't know why we don't just yeah, unify.
Speaker 1:It's interesting you say that because in the comments I did see a lot of people say okay, but but who's going to stop him from saying it? That's all the comments I kept seeing. But who's going to stop that?
Speaker 2:Facts, facts. Who you tell him he can't say that? No more.
Speaker 1:That's literally every comment I saw.
Speaker 2:Alright, brother, tell him. Go to him and tell him you can't say that shit no more. See what happens. He'll slap the black off you. He'll hit you so hard you can't say it no more.
Speaker 1:literally yo, not you getting the black card slapped out of you. That's crazy. But nah, that's what I'm saying, like when you were telling, when you were, I'm letting you cook. I'm like I I've only ever seen one comment of somebody doing that woke shit. And I'm like every other comment's like but he is one, or like but who gonna stop him? Name one person who gonna do it.
Speaker 2:Outside of an AK-47? Not you.
Speaker 1:So I just find that funny.
Speaker 2:Oh man. But yeah, I'm glad you took it there. I'm ready to do this little game that you came up with. We can talk about actual tribalism next time.
Speaker 1:Oh my God, All right, so bringing this back. So Now you remind me of it too. Fuck, all right, so bringing this back. We're going to go into book bump or bury? Fuck, alright, so bringing this back. We're going to go into book bump or bury. Okay, and again, like I said before on the rules, we're going to take a specific error and we're going to throw it into the attitude error and say which one of these wrestlers would still be prominent or who would we want to book Bumper Bear. So again, the rules.
Speaker 2:I also feel only because, like, we talked about it off camera, but I also feel we should, you know, just throw it out there and maybe for, like, the next time, if the fans and our watchers decide if they want to go with that route, cause we came up, he came up with book Bumper Bear our watchers decide if they want to go with that route because we came up, he came up with Book Bumper Barry, but there was a previous idea of doing it and, as for this one, it's called BBB. There was the BBC and I want to throw it out to the fans out there, our watchers would you prefer the BBB or do you want us to do an episode where we're running the BBC?
Speaker 1:yo, that's, I'm running the nah bro, that nah nah put it in the comments, let us know.
Speaker 2:Nah, let us know in the comments it literally be ayo, ayo swag in the comments.
Speaker 1:Let us know.
Speaker 2:Nah, let us know in the comments.
Speaker 1:It literally be Ayo Swag, give me your BBC. Yo, that's crazy, you can't. You can't say that shit. You can't say that shit, that's crazy. What, what? You can't see that can you just no cause it like now. You gotta explain it every time. Nobody else is going around saying alright, man, give me your BBC on this roster, give me your.
Speaker 2:BBC on this roster cause this stands for? Because BBC was what it was Book Bump and Cut Em. Oh, book Bump and Cut Okay, got it as opposed to Barry. So let us know, would you prefer Book Bump or Cut, or Book Bump and Barry? Let us know, I'm curious to know and if we get enough, then maybe we'll do one where we do the BBC instead.
Speaker 1:But here's the thing Now if we go interview people and be like all right, so what's your BBC? Like you can't go to interviews with that bro. Like Mike, he goes asking everybody what's their Waffle House order, right, we can't go to people.
Speaker 2:The fuck, I mean you can't go into an interview and ask somebody what's your BBC cold Turkey? You gotta, you gotta, ease into that shit.
Speaker 1:So what would be funny of a clip, though, is if you explain to them like hey, this is a book, bumper cut, Boom, boom, boom. And then all right, cool. Then all of a sudden be like all right, so tell me what's your BBC, tell me what's your BBC, and they'd be like what are you talking about? The Bumper Cut, oh what? And it just could be. Nah, nah, nah, I ain't gonna answer that question.
Speaker 2:Although I ain't gonna lie, I absolutely would ask them. So give me your BBC and then wait for the response. Like no, like Book Bumper Cut. Like which one would you?
Speaker 1:do Like you. I'm gonna be there for that first panel or whatever we do, and you're with a wrestler and you do that shit.
Speaker 2:I cannot wait to see that reaction actually, and the funnier thing would be to do is like alright, so um uh uh, give me your BBC. Bobby Lashley, shelton, benjamin Farouk Farouk I just threw him in there.
Speaker 1:You know what, as a leader, I'm going to do a quick one, real quick. Bobby Lashley, shelton Benjamin, that's Fuck, actually, that's a tough one. That would be a tough one. It would sound bad if I say yo, bobby Lashley, who you bumping and who you cutting Because Shelton Benjamin should be booked. But it's fucking, bobby Lashley, you can't Itley like you can't like it's like you can't get mad if I say, bobby Lashley, I'm booking to the moon. And then I'm like Sean Benjamin's been in the mid card for ages. Man, he should get that.
Speaker 2:Push so off gate. You are cutting Farouk, is what you're telling me yeah, and that's all.
Speaker 1:I can't cut Farouk because attitude error Farouk, that Attitude Era Farouk, he was a great mid-carder but I'm like at the same time as a book to the moon, no, so it's like you're putting me in a predicament that's so dash fucked up. That's what that. Dash fucked up, that's what that?
Speaker 2:that's fucked up, although I am glad that you gave it, gave me your thought on what it would be. But to a stranger, if I walked up to someone and said, all right, give me your bbc farouk, bobby lashley and shelton Benjamin, they're probably going to be hella confused. Because they'll be hella confused in the sense of like, alright, bbc, you give me a list of three black guys. I don't like where this question is coming from.
Speaker 1:That's what I'm saying bro, no, bro, it's in 4K.
Speaker 2:No, bro, that's crazy.
Speaker 1:In 4K. That's a canon event. You can't nahbc or bbb. Hit us up. Let us please, please, please, choose the bb, please, please, because I thought about it at first and I'm just like man, that's gonna fly anyway. So we're going for a particular era and with the arrow I'm going to do federation and a Generation, by the way, I'm doing Federation.
Speaker 2:Okay, okay.
Speaker 1:So we're going to say hey for the Federation and New Generation era. Who are some of these wrestlers? Who would be people you would book, bump or bury?
Speaker 2:Now wait before you do it's, because it's three different ones. What is how many names are on the list?
Speaker 1:Ten, so should we.
Speaker 2:Well, so let me see here Three, nine, whoever is the last name on the list, we'll cut that last one. Because we'll do nine, because I want to, because I think this will make it even more difficult. Instead of just giving the full list, we're going to do it in threes, and so just go down first three names, for next three, for next three, next three, next three. Don't change it should.
Speaker 1:I randomize it nah, just.
Speaker 2:However, it's laid out right now on the on that list that she got. We're just going to go down that list, fuck you all right.
Speaker 1:So Hulk Hogan, macho man, randy Savage, oh god, jake the Snake, jake the Snake Rock, you fucking bitch. I'm gonna tell you this right fucking now.
Speaker 1:I'm gonna tell you this right fucking now, booked up or cut out of those three Motherfucker. Right now, it's Jake the Snake Roberts, immediately booking that bitch. I mean immediately. That was my guy, okay, but now you put me in a predicament of keeping Macho man Randy Savage in the midcard, and I don't want to do that. I don't want to do that Because this fucking Macho man, randy Savage, fuck Hogan. Okay. Bury that motherfucker, okay. Granted, we have to thank him for his contributes to wrestling the Hulk.
Speaker 2:Hogan character. Sometimes, to a certain degree you gotta separate the Hulk Hogan character from Terry Vallejo. Nope he said no to it, even as Hulk.
Speaker 1:Hogan, even if it was Terry, even Hulk Hogan, the whole Undertaker situation to this day is petty Listen.
Speaker 2:I love that Undertaker. Every chance he gets he shits on Hulk Hogan.
Speaker 1:Yeah, because you should, because you should, because of that moment, bro, he didn't even touch the chair.
Speaker 2:It's, it's, yeah, you're right, Like Hulk Hogan, he, he did some things there's, there are, there are small things that I'm like. You know what I feel, you and I hear you, hogan, you know cause it is. It is the business that we're in, or that you're in, but at the same time, like there's, there's just certain things, but um, I mean as Triple.
Speaker 1:H said it as Triple H said it at one point. It's like yo if you're not trying to backst. There's just certain things. But yeah, as AAA said it at one point, it's like yo if you're not trying to backstab people, if you're not trying to push yourself up to the top, then you're in the wrong business. You should be doing that because your spot is more important than the next guy.
Speaker 2:And that particular statement is the reason why there are, to a certain degree, the Hulk Hogan mind frame. I can't completely argue with it, but but but there are other things that he has done. It's like, with that particular statement, I can't get mad at Hulk Hogan. It's just all the other dumb shit that he did. That particular statement, I can't get mad at Hulk Hogan, it's just all the other dumb shit that he did. That's like. You make it really hard for me to want to defend you to the point where I just can't no more. But yeah, cut Hulk Hogan. Yeah, it's kind of hard to say who to bump and that's why I said fuck you bro.
Speaker 1:That's why I said fuck you, boy.
Speaker 2:Maybe we should have shuffled a little bit because that was rough. But at the same time though that's the game I'm probably going to have to I'm probably gonna have to book, uh, because if I'm, if I'm burying hogan, then I have to book. Macho man, of course you would, and that's hard to say, because I also love me some freaking jake the snake snakes are my favorite things. Pause. So who's the next ones?
Speaker 1:So the next one would be the next three Ultimate Warrior, which this doesn't make sense for this next one Ultimate Warrior Bobby the Brain Heenan and Mr Perfect, for what it's worth.
Speaker 2:Mr Perfect, I'm booking. Yeah, same, I'm booking.
Speaker 1:Mr Perfect, I'm booking the fuck out of him, having him go against like kurt angle, even triple h at his prime mr perfect should have been a world heavyweight champion guy.
Speaker 2:Yes, did I don't think he's only. He was only in our car now, only in our car. He never, he never got that world heavyweight title and he really should have because, like up until he died.
Speaker 2:Mr Perfect and you not because, mr, mr Perfect did the Dolph Ziggler thing is what? Like literally, or should I say Dolph Ziggler did the Mr Perfect thing is what happened. It's just that Dolph Ziggler did find he did finally make his way out of mid-card land and was able to at least peak just a little bit above Main Event Jobber, because that's the only thing Mr Perfect was. Mr Perfect was definitely a Main Event Jobber and he deserved better, which is why I book him who doesn't?
Speaker 1:still, when they're chewing gum, spit it out and smack it. Come on now. So much swagger.
Speaker 2:I'm probably cutting oddly enough.
Speaker 1:Nope, not even oddly, not like I think I'm cutting Warrior, but how would you book Bobby in a midcard Like he's a? That's what I'm saying. That's the weird part.
Speaker 2:Because? Well, because he's a manager.
Speaker 1:So, that's why he's not. How could you book him in the midcard if he's only a manager, unless you're booking him next to a mid-card talent?
Speaker 2:um, I mean, yes, that that would be what I have to do, kind of like. But booking him in the mid card is like having curtis axel with paul hayman in uh, in in ryback.
Speaker 1:You know what I'm saying oh no, Don't remind me.
Speaker 2:Yeah, those were some sad times, but still, that's mid-card booking and honestly, I feel like Bobby DeBray Heenan has actually spent a lot of his time in the midcard, but he pushes people to the main event, so shake my hand because this is a.
Speaker 1:this is a very, very, very agreed upon decision and I can completely agree with you on booking Mr, putting bobby in the mid card and getting the fuck rid of an ultimate warrior. So you can kindly shake my hand, as this is a totally agreed upon I can, I can get behind that.
Speaker 2:That is our first I feel because, like when it came to Ultimate Warrior, like it's funny, because I remember my brother saying, like when he was a kid he liked Ultimate Warrior. And I feel that if I was a kid I might have liked the idea of Ultimate Warrior, but Ultimate Warrior, where the idea was cool and whatnot, like he wasn't really good wrestling.
Speaker 1:No, he was a character.
Speaker 2:Yeah, he was definitely a character and it's like I like that calm, that medium between you know what I'm saying. I mean'm saying he does kind of fit some of my builds because he is at least a big dude. You know what I'm saying. Those are like my like he's very monster-esque. You know what I'm saying. I think if they would have actually build Ultimate Warrior as just a full-on Like, imagine if Ultimate Warrior was a full-on monster heel. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1:Ooh where he was, a warrior who was trying to sacrifice you.
Speaker 2:Yeah like something like that. Or like, just instead of him being a good guy and whatnot, he was literally just out there to just bust motherfuckers' heads in, like kill, Ultimate Warrior, like literally keep everything about him the same, but he's actually just going out there to just destroy people. I think that would have been great.
Speaker 1:So this next one, because of who the last person is, I can't automatically cut them, I can't. So you're gonna have to do four in this one. You have to because you gotta know the fourth one Bret the Hitman, hart, rowdy, piper, rick Rude, andre the Giant. You can't just cut Andre the Giant can't like you, you can't just cut Andre the Giant, you just can't oh okay, I see what you mean because of the way that the list was and so.
Speaker 1:I can tell you, off rip, I'm pushing Roddy Piper give me the list one more time.
Speaker 2:It was Roddy Piper.
Speaker 1:Bret Hart, rick Rude and Andre the Giant gotcha.
Speaker 2:so and Andre the Giant Gotcha.
Speaker 1:So, so, real quick. I'm pushing Rick Rude, I'm pushing excuse me, I'm pushing Roddy Piper.
Speaker 2:I'm damn, I'm bumping Rick Rude bumping Rick Rude to the main event, got it no, no, no, he's bumping him to the mid card oh, so putting him down got it.
Speaker 1:I feel like he's such a creep okay, roddy Piper, but I feel like he's such a great. Okay, roddy Piper, because I feel like he'll be an excellent champion, because you know, he has the he has. He's not the best wrestler in the world, but he has the charisma that people would love. You know, I'm going to have to keep Bret Hart in the midcard because, as he is a workhorse, the midcard is normally where the workhorses go. As much as I would like Rick Rude to be there, because he would be a great heel champion, and Andre the Giant, I don't want to cut him because I feel like him versus I don't know him and Big Show would not be a good idea. Two giants in the ring like that is not a good idea.
Speaker 2:Two giants going at each other is usually a death sentence.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so in the Attitude Era I don't see much depth for Andre the Giant, so I'd probably cut him.
Speaker 2:Cutting Andre Um so or burying actually.
Speaker 1:Yeah, burying, yeah, actually, because that way, at least with Andre, at least with Andre, at least with Andre, if you bury him, you're burying him to people who really need it.
Speaker 2:Burying on. That's such an interesting thing to just visualize. I know I mean at the same time, unfortunately, I mean in his defense. Andre was also like he was sick and he was unfortunately on his way out.
Speaker 2:We're talking about that wrestler oh, I know what you're saying, but I was saying like in Andre's later years he was kind of buried, he kind of although it's weird because like he wasn't though he was still of buried, he kind of he was kind of although it's weird, because like he wasn't, though he was still being presented strongly. So it was like even in his later years he didn't do a whole lot of losing and whatnot I mean, but for me I'm, I'm, no, I can't say that with a straight face. So I think I would yeah With this particular group Because, depending on With certain things that if I say people would probably look like I feel like your options were the safe options. With the things that I'm thinking in my mind, yeah, no, I'm gonna get, I'm gonna get canceled.
Speaker 1:People are gonna be like, wow, this dude swag don't know wrestling go ahead speak on it because Because I mean, yeah, somewhat Mine was somewhat safe because it was like I mean I would prefer Rick Rude as a bump in the mid-card, but like you still got to respect the workhorse that is Brett and he would make the mid-card good too.
Speaker 2:So I think I would bump. So let's see here. So let me start with Book I would bump. So let's see here, let me start with book, I would book. I want to book Rick Rude.
Speaker 1:I can respect that. I want to book Rick Rude. I can respect that.
Speaker 2:I would, I would.
Speaker 1:I know it's getting tough with Sprat Hearts in there, bro, because it's Brat, it's because it's Brat, it's because it's Brat.
Speaker 2:Not just because it's Brat. But then there's also Roddy Piper. Roddy Piper's the hard one, but like crazily enough, I think out of the two I'd probably bury Roddy Piper and I'd have to bump Brett Hart. No, I know, I bump Bret Hart.
Speaker 1:No, I know, I know it's crazy. No, it's crazy, roddy bro.
Speaker 2:It's crazy, and it's because of those things, it's because of the fact that it's because of those facts, I have to cut Andre as well. I didn't want to cut Andre as a matter of fact. At first I was going to book him.
Speaker 1:In an attitude error. You would have booked him with the strap.
Speaker 2:I would have booked him, or at least that's what I first thought. And then, when I first thought, I was like yeah, I would book them, and then I thought about it. I'm like that's a terrible idea. Exactly that is. That is absolutely horrendous. Why would? Why would you do that? That is, that is a that is putting your company at a death sentence.
Speaker 1:That is a death sentence.
Speaker 2:That is a death sentence and it's like I have a lot. But I have a lot more respect for Andre the Giant than putting him in the mid card or burying him, because burying Andre the Giant is a stupid idea it is. It's so dumb, which is some of the problems that we have right now. Why are we burying giants Like you? Either use them properly or just don't fucking use them at all, which is why we have not seen Omos, because boy oh boy, they did not know how to use that boy, and I don't think they still do and if he comes back, I feel as if there's still nothing for him to do.
Speaker 1:Nope, his sunset is gone. He needs to just stay in Japan. Japan knows what to do with him.
Speaker 2:Yeah, listen, they love doing things for Giants. I feel that the last time.
Speaker 2:I think the last time a Giant was booked, good kind of Put an asterisk on it, but like his wrestling abilities aside, great Khali is how you book a Giant, all right, solely on the way he was booked booked not talking about how horrible of a wrestler he was and how and how bad he looked when he was in the actual ring, because homie was straight legged as fuck, but solely on the optics and the visuals and whatnot. That's how you book a giant.
Speaker 1:Listen here. Are you seven foot plus? Do you enjoy wrestling and you feel like you have the smallest amount of wrestling prowess or capability in the ring? Go to Japan. They will book you. They will treat you like damn near a god because there are so many. Are you a big man? In general, maybe 6'7, 6'8. You're still good over maybe at least 300 pounds and you're a little jacked. Go to Japan, otis, otis, I'm talking to you. He's like, uh, what is he? 5'7, um, I'm still talking to you. Well, no, he's like, uh, what is he? 5'7. I'm still talking to you. Japan would probably appreciate you more, sir, he is a big butterball of a man boy.
Speaker 1:Get him in Noah or something like that. He actually was wrestling boy.
Speaker 2:I don't think he'll have the triple B, but still listen, otis, he has, like he can do things that big men shouldn't do, and that's why, like he defies the laws of gravity with his massive size.
Speaker 1:And that's why I'm like bro, get him there.
Speaker 2:Like he's like Brunson Like. Remember when him and Brunson Reed was doing some, they had a couple of matches against each other, Some very biggie matches, Big men slapping meat matches. Remember Bull Dempsey? Jesus, they don't you know.
Speaker 1:Bull, bull, bull man. What is he doing? Now? That's a good question. I'm going to have to find out. Anyway, let's go ahead and get to this next one, and I'm going to leave this to the audience as well in the comment section. Please let us know what you guys think are your book bump berries. So now we're going into.
Speaker 2:Yes, Give us your BBC's man two. Yes, give us your BBCs man.
Speaker 1:We're going into your new generation, going into the Attitude Era. If they were going into the Attitude Era for the new generation, who would stick? So first three this one might be a really, really easy target to go over Dwayne the Clown, but his heel version, okay, lex Luger and Diesel before he turned into Kevin Nash. It's like in that era he's just starting to become Kevin Nash.
Speaker 2:Yeah, he's still but not in I'm, I want.
Speaker 1:A part of me wants to be chaotic and say doink, you wanna push doink if they heal character.
Speaker 1:You wanna part of me book doink? Can you imagine cause we already had a do love situation. Can you imagine like if Vince McMahon, like set up a party or something like that, he pranked Stone Cold right, and at this party there's this clown that comes up to him and says, well, hi, whatever. And Stone Cold says, if you don't get your right ass out of my face, and then Doink sprays him with something and just kicks his fucking ass and then getsink sprays him with something, just kicks his fucking ass and then gets really dark and now you have basically Dark Doink the Clown against Stone Cold, or or or or. Hypothetically you could put him against Mankind. I say Mankind has a fear of clowns, but it's an actual evil clown. And now mankind is taking back trips to when he first got into wrestling. He was doing the whole shakes and stuff like that. Now it's because it's a childhood memory of him being with clowns and now that's the feud.
Speaker 2:There's a part of me that feels as if this was probably actually brought up, because that sounds like some of the most wildish, wildish Vince McMahon booking. It's the Attitude Era. Come on, you see, man Kyle, we were just like Uncle Paul. You gotta protect me from these clowns.
Speaker 1:And it's just joint. Oh, I used to love that Evil theme song.
Speaker 2:The boy used to that shit, but it's funny because it's like boy I used to up that shit, but see, because it's funny, because it's like I'ma have to. So, number one, I want to push um because, wait a second, you said doink the clown, lex luger, lex luger, and in diesel and diesel um, it's not narcissist, by the way yeah, I know this is like good legs, like american.
Speaker 2:Through these eyes, you can do no wrong. He was a hero. I, um, I, I would. I would do what those cowards didn't do and is. I would push Lex. I would push him in the attitude era. I would, I would've. Now I feel as if, like I would've pushed him but he probably would've had to be a little bit different. But, um, cause, because he looked, he looked like he should be pushed they just Because, with all that you gave me, I really don't want to push Diesel. I'll be honest with you, I wouldn't push Diesel.
Speaker 1:Diesel and Stone Cold makes a lot more sense than.
Speaker 2:Doink and Lex Luger, I will say definitely for the Doink and Lex Luger, I will say definitely for the Doink. It's funny, because burying Doink is me saying I'm going to bury Doink is like saying, oh, so you just do what actually happened.
Speaker 1:Damn.
Speaker 2:Because by the time, all that Doink was nothing, they did bury him. I can't push Doink, I can't, I can't, you can't bump him. I am not booking Doink, you can't bump him, bumping him. Bumping him is To bump Doink, is just burying him anyway. How? How? Doink was a mid card at best, and when you look at the hierarchy, if I bumped him down, that bumps him down to a jobber anyway. And so instead of just saying I'm going to bump Doink down, I'm going to just say I'm just going to let him stay a jobber, right, or I'm going to bring him back to being a jobber.
Speaker 1:I think him going against people like Val Venus, godfather, you know, be a funny say, like with Val Venis. He makes a, a balloon animal, but like the balloon animal is sexually implied, his pinga, he pops it and Val's like. You know what I'm saying? It's like it's just a lot of funny shit you could do in the mid card.
Speaker 2:Come on you saying that shit you could do in the midcard. Come on. You saying that is the equivalent of saying Are you trying to say that during the new generation era that Doink was a main event player?
Speaker 1:No, I didn't say that. When I say Bump, Bump is only midcard.
Speaker 2:Okay, alright.
Speaker 1:Book is main event. Bump is mid-card.
Speaker 2:Okay, I was misunderstanding that piece because I'm thinking to book someone means that you're pushing them. Yeah, bumping, I was thinking, was whatever they were, you're bumping them back down.
Speaker 1:Nah, bumping them to the mid-card Because considering who we were talking about before.
Speaker 2:My answers don't change, because a lot of those people that were spoken in the Golden Age era people, a lot of those people that they were talking about, they were main event players anyway. So it was either push them further or actually bump them to the mid card, because most of them yeah, because most of them were not mid cards. They were all main eventers for the most part, uh, aside from certain ones during the end, but then they still bumped into that same area, and so in this particular case, my answer doesn't change and I'm jobbing him out Like I'm just you just don't like Doink.
Speaker 1:You don't like Doink, they're just keeping him back.
Speaker 2:No, I like Doink. If I was going to mid-card him in the Attitude era, I would have made him the leader of the insane clown posse, which honestly I think would have done some good for him. You know what I'm saying shake my hand however, when it comes to that, I, uh, I would rather mid-car diesel.
Speaker 1:I mean, yeah, I can agree with it, but alright.
Speaker 2:So especially since we pushed diesel in the new generation era and we saw where that went. I'm not going to make the same mistake. They should have pushed Lex as opposed of diesel generation era, and we saw where that went. I'm not going to make the same mistake. They should have pushed Lex as opposed of Diesel. So now I'm going to right the wrong, or at least try to.
Speaker 1:Razor and Moon, mabel and Tatanka.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I know, that was like an easy one I mean, the better question is why would you push mabel? Why? Why would you book mabel? Wwe did it. Why why would you? Now, he wasn't Mabel when they pushed him, though he was Big Daddy V in the world's largest no no, no, no, no.
Speaker 1:When they had that SummerSlam match, they were pushing him as a main event situation to go against Diesel, and that's why they had that really terrible match. He was pushed into a main event status at one point, so in Vince's eyes he was main event material, because he would have never got a title shot.
Speaker 2:So wait, he actually had a title shot.
Speaker 1:Yes, there was. One of the worst matches in WWE's history is Diesel versus Mabel. I think it was a King of the Ring or fucking SummerSlam. It's a very slow match, very slow match.
Speaker 2:I was not aware.
Speaker 1:I have to look at that it's basically remember how we were just saying andre the giant versus big show would be a bad idea. Imagine that. But now you also gotta imagine and remember the fact that mabel is about 400 plus pounds. What is diesel's fucking finisher? A jackknife powerbomb. How the fuck are you gonna have him do this move to this big motherfucker? Because I know, yes, obviously this is an assist, but, like diesel has been known to accidentally drop dudes on their heads multiple times doing that move if the person was too big.
Speaker 2:There's no assist with Mabel. There's no assist with Mabel. Mabel couldn't assist if he wanted to.
Speaker 1:Exactly so. That's what I'm saying, bro. So it's like you telling me that's the match and that's his fucking finisher. How the fuck is this supposed to go down? And we got the dumpster fire of that match. See now.
Speaker 2:I gotta see this match now because I was not aware of this. That's exactly why I mid-carded Diesel. Oh, here we go and, honestly, summerslam it was.
Speaker 1:SummerSlam. It was SummerSlam, I forgot what um it was. Summerslam 89, uh 95.
Speaker 2:Summerslam 95 that was 4 years old, I think. I'm gonna mid-card Mabel though? Nah, because it's Mabel, razor Ramon and who? Tatanka oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. I am mid-carding Mabel, I'm just, of course I'm going, of course I'm going to push Razor Ramon and we're just going to continue to bury Tatanka.
Speaker 1:Whoa, tatanka had an undefeated streak, all right. Oh, that's crazy. I'm putting him in the mid-card. It would have been Razor Ramon, book, tat him in the midcard.
Speaker 2:It would have been raise Ramon, book Tatanka in the midcard and bury Mabel damn, you're gonna bury the big man as a big man yourself at this time yeah, cause at this time he was ass let's just be honest. I mean, you say that like he was anything but okay, but look visceral as a character was cool.
Speaker 1:He wasn't that great. Big daddy v that's. When they struck gold, it was like you're striking, you're striking. Okay, this is a dud, this is a dud, hold up, wait. Okay, that's a little something. Okay, hold up. And now you're striking gold with Big Daddy V. That's the most convincing character because the world's love, the world's largest love machine, viscera. You remember that shit?
Speaker 2:do you say that like I forget? Him, him, him violating Matt Hardy at the fucking Royal Rumble fantastic listen entertainment bro that there is Matt Hardy at the fucking Royal Rumble. Fantastic Listen Entertainment bro. There is, and he wasn't at that time. He wasn't necessarily bad wrestling. No, like I said, I don't think he's ever really been a bad wrestler.
Speaker 2:No, you know, he just has the difficulties of just being an extremely large individual although although, of course, from what I hear from other people he was Undertaker talks about how he did not enjoy having matches with him.
Speaker 1:Kevin Nash. I looked it up as well afterwards. He's like the night that Mabel almost broke me in half.
Speaker 2:I mean, and that was that match. Mabel is the reason why Undertaker had to wear that mask. He broke his orbital bone.
Speaker 1:I mean so did Rey Mysterio, but that was light in a feather. I mean, that's true, that was in a feather.
Speaker 2:I mean that's true, that was a freak accident, although I mean they're probably both freak accidents. But yeah, no, like yeah, we're burying that guy.
Speaker 1:I'm sorry, we're burying. That's what I'm saying. Mabel, wait, tatanka or Mabel, I am burying Tatanka.
Speaker 2:I don't care about Tatanka, mabel, I am burying Tatanka. I don't care about Tatanka. Go fuck yourself. Wow that shit's crazy, my guy. Yeah, yeah, that doesn't.
Speaker 1:That does nothing for me, bro.
Speaker 2:That motherfucking guy does nothing, that shit was fire, bro, I didn't care about it then I don't care about it now.
Speaker 1:That shit was fire bro, I don't give a fuck Anyway. Nah, next set it's going to be four. Oh sorry, that last one really fucked me up for a second. I was like, alright, so Bam Bam, bigelow, 123kid, adam Bomb, bob Backlund, that's what it was fucking with me for a second alright.
Speaker 2:So, um, I am going to book the hell out of Bam Bam Bigelow. God damn right, we're just going to cut Bob Backlund, yep, and then for the bump, because it's one, two, three, three kid. And who's the other one?
Speaker 1:atom bomb atom bomb.
Speaker 2:Yeah, we're going to continue to bury atom bomb and, uh, and we'll, we'll bump one, two, three kid. Shake my hand, because for a brief moment I was all like we're just going to bury one, two, three kid, but I'm not going to. I'm like no, no, no, no, because I've actually gone back.
Speaker 2:Well, yes, and he was actually really good. Well, I think X-Pac has been very underrated to me because, like I only knew him as X-Pac has been very underrated to me because, like, I only knew him as X-Pac. And then that moving forward, but like when he was 1-2-3 Kid, because I've gone back and watched some 1-2-3 Kid matches and I'm like, nah, he was doing the thing back then like to the extent where I would push 1-2-3 Kid in AEW right now that's the kind of that was good wrestling because you were saying it was good wrestling, I'd even push.
Speaker 1:Bam Bam Bigelow in AEW too. I feel like him versus, even though we just talked about two big men going against each other, him and Brody King. I'd watch it. I'd watch the hell out of that shit. I'd watch the hell out of that shit, oh God brother. That's a bar fight at that point.
Speaker 2:Yes, like Bam Bam Bigelow and AEW honestly would have been amazing. But I think Bam Bam Bigelow Hold on, I mean, let me make sure. No, no, I think, comparably speaking, I think he he would go a lot farther in aew, because I was gonna say bam bam bigelow would have been great in like 2010, 2007, uh 28, uh 20, uh, pretty much 08 to 2010, uh, tna. Basically I was little TNA, I was literally, you get it. I was about to say that we're here.
Speaker 1:We're right there, bro, because I thought you were about to say WWE and I was like no, but then you said TNA and I was like I just had to get my years right.
Speaker 2:But like Bam Bam Bigelow, if we take Attitude, era Bam Bam Bigelow or this is New Generation, so if we take New Generation Era Bam Bam Bigelow and put him in that era of TNA world champion.
Speaker 1:Can we just keep it a buck 50 anywhere? Bam bam, bigelow would have went, he would have been world champion, brother that caliber wrestler bam bam bigelow was, uh was.
Speaker 2:He was extremely ahead of his time. He was born too late or too early. Cause like have you watched the dark side of the ring about Bam?
Speaker 1:Bam Hill bro constantly watching that shit fam if Bam Bam would have.
Speaker 2:If Bam Bam would have came up the exact same ways but instead of being in the 80, of it being in the eighties, it was in the nineties, God he would have been. He would have been fucking unstoppable he.
Speaker 1:it don't matter what era bro.
Speaker 2:Freaking main event player period Like but he, but they dropped the ball on him. And then you drop the ball on him completely dropped the ball and you get to see his amazing work in ECW with Taz like Bam Bam Bigelow is freaking, as everyone always say, bam Bam Bigelow is, if you're a big man that wants to be a wrestler, he is the model that you want to watch and look and go after the tsunami is mainly based off of him.
Speaker 1:Now, like bronson reed does the tsunami. Just like how bam bam goes off the top rope like he literally was watching film. He's like he was trying to find ways to better do it instead of just jumping off raw because he was like I don't like how that area is. But he just noticed how bam bam would always just come off the foot and just go down. He was like, okay, and if you watch bronson do it now, it's so smooth of a transition it's almost like dropping a wrecking ball. He's not jumping, he gets on the top rope and he just falls and that momentum alone should be devastating fam.
Speaker 2:I I think like before we was doing podcasts I was I went on like a tirade about how much I freaking love brunson reed and I was talking about like how, but like the way that he, the way that he does the tsunami, compared to like when you just see people do splashes and stuff like that, because, like you know, you see uso, you see Uso get all that air and stuff like that. It's like when he gets up to do the tsunami, it's like he does not wait on the rope, he doesn't even completely the fact of him, he doesn't even finish climbing, he just like, alright, it's just so, it's and it's just so good, it is so good. Brunson Reed, like freaking, we're not even to that era. But regardless of when he comes up, push him, just push him.
Speaker 1:What I would probably do is the reverse of, like, what wrestlers would you see in other promotions? Like, think about, uh, let's say, ruthless aggression. Some of those, some of those people who would be in tna. How would they have fared in tna? Or maybe how would they have fared in uh, ecw, maybe even aew. So I feel like there's so many ways you can do this, and we could be on this series for a while, but I think that is the final one for us here for this episode though. So final thoughts, guys, as you have seen us, do the book bump bury, do you guys prefer it being the BBB or do you prefer the book bump cut, which would drastically, devastatingly, lead to the BBC?
Speaker 2:So it's funny because when it comes to like booking to the book bump and cut, I almost feel like book bump and cut is a bit more respectable as opposed to just jobbing somebody out it is it is.
Speaker 1:It's just the acronym, bro, it's just the acronym. That acronym is pretty savage, I ain't gonna lie. Here's the thing, audience. When I was reading it out, I was just like thinking I literally said the B and I just paused. I was like no, I instantly Nah, nah, because I was thinking of some other acronyms. I think one was TTC, another one was, I think it was like MDP or something like that. Just a lot of other ones, and it was just like all of a sudden like okay, then the beep? No, no, we're gonna, we. I like this bb part, the book, the book bump, but barry, maybe barry, that's a baby bear. But anyway, thank you guys. So much, uh swag. Any final thoughts for you before we close out this episode.
Speaker 2:I think the only thing that I will say is for one Samoans are, they're with us. Fam, don't do this community, Black community, that particular subsect of Black community, like don't push people away that have been wanting to help us as a whole this whole time. Alright, Like, don't do that. Like, sure, I can understand if you may feel a certain type of way about the fact that Samoans are getting all the attention, but y'all must not watch NXT because, boy oh boy, the niggas are taking over that.
Speaker 1:Bro, you mean what was it? At one point it was African NXT.
Speaker 2:Listen the Wakanda, wakanda NXT that's what it was.
Speaker 1:Listen the Wakanda NXT. That's what it was.
Speaker 2:If you feel as if niggas aren't getting their play, go to NXT. Look at the black title. That is the North American title. The North American title has the most black holders ever.
Speaker 1:I still got a hate on my homeboy. You know I've been wearing the B's forever. He started wearing the B's, bro.
Speaker 2:He started coming out to the ring and I was like bro, bro bro, bro, bro, bro, bro, bro, bro bro, you're over here like bro you're taking my gimmick. It's from his culture, but of course he's like bro you're taking my gimmick. You gonna tell him that you gonna, you gonna step up to Obafin and be like, hey, yo bro, you gonna tell Fatu that he can't say the.
Speaker 1:N-word Maybe. Maybe if I caught him off guard and he was sitting in a chair and I could just tsunami his ass.
Speaker 2:What? Oh, so you go hit him with that Jasper Troy, then huh you go.
Speaker 1:Hey yo man, you can't wear these beads, no more. Who the fuck are you Tsunami?
Speaker 2:Well, that's some real Negro shit right there, buddy Boy.
Speaker 1:Oh man, all right guys. Well, yeah, oh man. All right guys, but that's really all I got to say.
Speaker 2:That's all I got to say you know.
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Speaker 2:It's your boy.
Speaker 1:Swag Switch in the building and until next time, we will see you very soon. Good night, or ta-ta, for now.