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In a weekend that transformed WWE's landscape, SummerSlam delivered shocking returns, unexpected victories, and championship changes that have fans buzzing. Our passionate breakdown covers every exhilarating moment from this two-night spectacular.
The undisputed match of the weekend came when CM Punk and Gunther delivered a technical masterpiece, with Punk securing a shocking victory only to face Seth Rollins' surprise return despite his reported injury. This confrontation sets up what promises to be one of WWE's most compelling feuds moving forward. Meanwhile, the women's division continued to shine throughout both nights, with Tiffany Stratton defeating Jade Cargill clean, Becky Lynch capturing the Intercontinental Championship, and spectacular performances in the women's triple threat and tag matches.
Night two's jaw-dropping moments included a brutal TLC match featuring an unforgettable table spot from Candice LeRae, Cody Rhodes retaining his championship against John Cena in a street fight filled with nostalgic callbacks, and the stunning return of Brock Lesnar after a lengthy absence. This appearance raises fascinating questions about John Cena's farewell tour and who might ultimately face "The Greatest of All Time" in his final match.
What made this SummerSlam particularly noteworthy was the prevalence of clean finishes throughout both nights – a refreshing departure from the interference-heavy booking that has dominated wrestling in recent years. As we analyze what these developments mean for WWE's future, we consider how these storylines will unfold heading toward Survivor Series and beyond.
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Welcome to another episode of the Big Brothers of the the Big Brothers of Destruction podcast. It's the Masako.
Speaker 2:It's your boy. Swag Switcher in the building.
Speaker 3:And it's your boy Story of Sorrows.
Speaker 1:I'm not trying to fuck it up this time, you feel me, I'm not trying to fuck it up. This time, you feel me, I'm not trying to fuck it up. So, um, yes, guys, welcome to another episode. We just got finished watching summer slam and man both nights. We we got a lot to talk about. We got a lot of maybe frustrations, we got a lot of hype.
Speaker 2:This is apparently going to be a new chapter for wwe and what's going to happen we don't know next, but before we start, though, can we also just, uh, make a notice of the fact that we are currently doing this in the same area at the same time? Yeah, you might as well call this the first time we've actually introduced the real discus lariat lounge. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, so for those who see me right here, because we got the camera here and we also got the camera there from where we're looking at, I'm gonna be looking this way, because that's where the maziku is, pretty much, yeah, but but yeah, this is a. This is the first time that we're doing here, so we're going to see how this works. Yes, don't get used to it, I'm kidding, get used to it, we're going.
Speaker 1:I would hope you get used to it, the fuck you know discus lariat lounge.
Speaker 2:Yeah, no, I think it's pretty. It's pretty very fitting of a very interesting two-night SummerSlam pay-per-view.
Speaker 1:And honestly Say the least Wait, we might already have.
Speaker 2:He done, broke it.
Speaker 1:Look at him Nah, we didn't break shit, he broke it, we didn't break shit. Hey look, man, you got to give us a chance. You're giving us a chance. All right, give us a chance.
Speaker 1:Cool, cool, cool, there us a chance, cool, there's always going to be those first time hiccups there they're always with the new setup. Yes, there is all right. So kind of pick it up where we're at. Um, a lot, of, a lot of things happen in summer slam and we all can agree summer slam was mid, but two things that happened in summer slam has made us feel some type of way. So rather than dwell on it, all right quick, let's just go ahead and get it started and just talk about this card. So who wants to go first? What's the first match you want to go over?
Speaker 2:So before, Because Story over here is itching for it.
Speaker 1:Oh my God, yeah, his dick is hard, his dick is hard.
Speaker 2:Do we go through it as it's lined up, from night one to night two, or do we address the elephant in the room?
Speaker 1:first we kind of got to address the elephant in the room, brock Lesnar.
Speaker 3:He's fucking bad baby.
Speaker 1:Oh my God, yeah, did y'all hear that Man's dick is hard as hell?
Speaker 3:for Brock Lesnar right now. I'm so happy about this. I'm so amazed that it's going to freshen up the product you feel like it's 100% going to freshen up the product.
Speaker 1:I don't know how, but it is maybe the dream that could happen.
Speaker 3:Brock, rager and Brock.
Speaker 2:Gunther and Ron. So to dial it back real quick, just to set the scene for those who are watching here. Okay, because let it be known, it's not like we knew he was going to show up, but the crazy fact was story over here in the midst of us just talking shit about everything. He was all like you know what this product needs? This product needs Brock Lesnar. I'm over here. I'm like there's no way it could be Brock Lesnar.
Speaker 3:You're talking all about Brock Lesnar's shit.
Speaker 2:It didn't make sense for there to be a Brock.
Speaker 3:Lesnar. Boom it drops.
Speaker 1:It was kind of wild I ain't going to lie.
Speaker 2:It was kind of wild, I ain't gonna lie. It was kind of wild, for when, when you speak it out loud, you think about it. Right, brock lesnar has a whole bunch of or at least I thought, a slew of other things that he's dealing with, you know, because his name was name dropped, kind of sort of name dropped in the whatchamacallit going on with Vince McMahon the Vince McMahon scandal.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and so I figure, for this long time everyone's been very hush hush and Brock Lesnar's been very hush hush because I don't know but, to be fair, brock Lesnar actually is a really private person, like outside of everything and personally, no one really knows much about consent.
Speaker 2:Private about it this is true and the one thing that story said that kind of holds true to the fact what I was saying is the fact that sure, his name might have been brought up, but if we remember how it was all written, it never actually happened. It was supposed to, he was off, the girl was offered to him on the plate, it was supposed to happen but somehow, for whatever reasons thank god for her it didn't actually go down. So I, for all intents and purposes, brock lesnar, didn't do anything wrong, I guess not you actually trying to?
Speaker 1:I'm not not.
Speaker 3:This is a literal argument I had with him earlier tonight.
Speaker 2:This is just me explaining the argument as it happened, and he said.
Speaker 3:So what you're saying is Brock Lesnar didn't do anything.
Speaker 2:And I'm in.
Speaker 1:And then his music started fucking playing. Make sure you keep the mic on, you know, yeah. And then his music started fucking playing. Make sure you keep the mic on, you know. And then his music started playing.
Speaker 3:Even after a few weeks ago he got Dion Cormier released in a whole interview saying that Brock Lesnar's on the shit list of everybody at TKO, that no one's gonna touch him.
Speaker 2:And yet here he is.
Speaker 3:Thank God.
Speaker 2:I didn't give a damn about it. What's crazier now is the fact that, disregarding the fact, cody Rhodes is our new WWE champion, undisputed WWE champion, one in as clean as a street fight can be, cody Rhodes won that pissed me off.
Speaker 2:And to talk about that real quick, because, going into this, I wasn't buying. I was not buying this whole literally out of nowhere. John Cena faced her, because that's what it was, it was out of nowhere. Granted, john Cena said a lot of things that made perfect sense and it was buyable, but I did not buy it.
Speaker 1:You got to forgive Swag. He is sipping on our bougie tea and it's alcohol. We spiked his, so he's on some bullshit right now Bullshit.
Speaker 2:I want y'all to realize that there is no way, unless you're like him, who drinks the john cena kool-aid, who watched smackdown and was all like damn, john cena is genuine you know what?
Speaker 3:bougie sipping over here?
Speaker 2:all this is creepy there's no way that, at face value, you could just have sat there and we was dealing with this garbage might I add, this garbage heel turn, just for him to be like okay, guys, you know what this wasn't working. I was, I was just being someone. I was not, you know, they was pulling my leg. I was supposed to do this with the Rock, but he didn't show up and I was doing this on my own.
Speaker 1:I realized the error of my way. This is the words of a fucking hater.
Speaker 2:A hater, or am I just speaking the truth?
Speaker 3:Haters, are you part of it?
Speaker 2:Yes, all of those, those things, all of those things.
Speaker 1:I mean that.
Speaker 2:And Travis Scott, thank God, listen top of the morning though end of the day I pressed the wrong button but at the end of the day I wasn't believing button. But at the end of the day I wasn't believing it. But at this point, with the introduction of the beast incarnate here, apparently this is true and I still hold to it this whole heel turn, shit was garbage. It was garbage.
Speaker 1:I mean I can't agree. I mean, in the beginning it was hype, it was something fresh to me. What can we do with Cena in this situation and making him a heel? But now, knowing Brock is back, you couldn't have him be a heel. He has to be the face you got you. Yeah, he has to be Superman to go against Brock. And that makes more sense as a story because if they would have continued on and knowing Brock would come back, fuck no.
Speaker 2:So that's the thing. If John Cena would have just stayed the John Cena that he needs the whole time, without this heel turn shit, I'd be singing a different way. I'd probably get tired of his shit.
Speaker 1:This Disket Lariat is about to be a motherfucking boiler room brawl in a second If you keep this shit, the fucking wrong. If you keep this shit the fuck, there is a hot water heater right. We can get this shit cracking bro. We can get this shit cracking bro we can get this shit cracking, bro.
Speaker 2:I would have preferred this a baby face. Cena, run from start to finish.
Speaker 1:So you're about to tell me the heel turn meant nothing?
Speaker 2:In hindsight. Yes, it meant absolutely nothing when it first happened. It was a surprise, it was dope and they had everything that was needed to make it work. And then, immediately afterwards now once again, this is talking in hindsight, now that we have the clarity of everything immediately afterwards, they started fucking it up. They started fucking it up because there was no dewane john Johnson. Let me put it this way he's putting out his drink.
Speaker 2:That nigga's serious when it comes to the way that they should have did this. Look at Trick Williams, right, trick and A, trick and A. He is, for all intents and purposes, everyone loves Trick. Whooped that Trick, all of that, right. You know how they helped put heat behind Trick. They put him with top dollar AJ Francis in that team and then that's on TNA and then over here they got him with the other Dreadhead. That's there. For some reason, his name continuously escapes me.
Speaker 2:The one from TNA to my NXT, nxt, no, no not that one, I can't think of him either, but nonetheless they put him with the bad guys Bad guys who are established bad guys, to let you know. Yes, yes, he is a bad guy. If we would have had from the start till now, if the rock was showing up, he didn't have to be there every time. If he just showed up every once in a while or was there at certain points, when he would come out with john cena, the booze would have been unbearable, because the rock is the final boss and he's the bad guy. He's not all right.
Speaker 2:But instead john cena comes out here and fake as hell the every time when they was having, when Cody and John Cena was having their spats. It just made John Cena look like a whiny baby just going off of stupid shit. So it was fake from the beginning. And then with the Randy Orton piece, it was a little bit interesting, but that's only because it's Randy Orton, it was still. They was trying too hard. I will say with CM Punk it at first felt a little bit more real, this heel turn, but as it went on it got campy.
Speaker 1:I'ma let y'all know this Swag is speaking his frustrations today, my nigga Fail. Like his frustrations. Today, my nigga Fam. Like his frustrations are coming the fuck out. I would have.
Speaker 2:If we was going to do this heel turn, they should have done it right, otherwise not done it at all. I mean, he's not wrong, but I don't see how this man sees this heel turn as the greatest heel turn of all time. Hey look.
Speaker 1:Hey look, I said that because the swerve was crazy. Bro, you can't and we're not about to dilute into that too much, because we're supposed to be talking about this damn car. We got a whole car to go over Story.
Speaker 2:Look, you tried to. I said that shit. Or Hulk Hogan's heel turn.
Speaker 1:Now which Hogan heel turn we're talking about the original one, the new NWO one, yes.
Speaker 3:That was so much better.
Speaker 1:Come on, my nigga, the leg drop, that's it.
Speaker 2:Anyway, we're not about to keep this going In the comment section. We're here for SummerSlam.
Speaker 1:We're here for SummerSlam.
Speaker 2:Put it in the comment section, let's talk about SummerSlam damn it which one was the better.
Speaker 1:Let's talk about SummerSlam damn it, Anyway. Let's talk about this car. So we brought up the fact that Brock Lesnar has showed the fuck up Okay. We also need to talk about Seth Rollins with the rule of a century, Okay. But before we get into those big major things, let's go over night one and what we thought about each match for night one.
Speaker 2:Here's a weird story.
Speaker 3:So you got Roman Reigns, jey Uso against Braun Breaker the Brawns.
Speaker 2:The Braun Brawns, braun Brawn.
Speaker 1:Which I will say I am quite surprised that that was very early on the card. But I will say my prediction was wrong. I thought the bronze would win that because I felt like they needed that.
Speaker 2:Same actually, however.
Speaker 3:I thought that would win, not Tron's bot, Jay and Roman, Because of how much they've just been tearing Roman and Jay apart the last few weeks.
Speaker 2:They've been beating the hell out of them so because of that piece, as they say in the great book of booking, of course, and you're not wrong. Now I will say, though, that they lost. I always describe it like they lost, like Cesaro, where they lost but they still won in the end because they didn't look bad. So it's like they did not dog walk, destroy them, but I was surprised that Bron Bron lost. Listen, let me go on record and say match-wise, I still think night one was better than night two.
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 1:You know what? Yeah, mega Powers, handshake, mega powers, handshake, mega powers, handshake. I mean, the only thing so at night two that was really crazy was the tlc. Let's keep it.
Speaker 2:Let's keep it a buck yeah, no, you're not listen, we're still there on that yeah, I said that was me.
Speaker 1:I said that was probably match of the year. The TLC, yeah, so far, but not really. No, it did deliver, but it did not deliver. What was the WrestleMania after? Like after WrestleMania ladder match, like that was a better match.
Speaker 2:Listen, the random TLC that they had on SmackDown. Yeah oh, the TLC that should have been on the pay-per-view. Yeah yeah, fam, You're not that that much I agree. However, I will say SmackDown's tag team division is absolutely flawless.
Speaker 1:Oh, absolutely, absolutely.
Speaker 2:Raw is straight cheese, absolutely flawless Like who At this point, because of the way that it is, because raw is indeed full cheeks, I feel that that Spike drink is really hitting his motherfucker Boy. He is being spicy right now, bro Listen, I can't help the passion that I feel about this particular pay-per-view. This motherfucker is spicy it's a thing, but nah, definitely they probably need to get the wrong tag on.
Speaker 1:We kind of need to go back to that match, though we kind of got off the rails again with the bronze and the oose. Technically it's the oose and the oos. Technically it's the oos.
Speaker 2:I mean there's not. I mean I will say it was a good though.
Speaker 1:It was a surprise, it was a start, it was probably the best thing that they could have done to start it off, because it did kind of hype us up a little bit, yeah, and I love, I fucking love how Braun came out with the fucking shoes on his neck. Bro, the Shula Fala.
Speaker 3:The Shula Fala, did somebody say?
Speaker 2:that. That's what he. That's what he's called. Oh my God, it is his Shula Fala.
Speaker 1:I'm actually. I'm actually for that. If people start coming to the arena with J's on they neck, bro, bro, could you imagine that? Could you imagine people just coming to the ring just with J's around their neck?
Speaker 2:I love you, bro. Listen, it's because Now we have to look out for it on Monday Bro.
Speaker 1:I would do it, I would still fucking do it. We only hope that Monday can be wide. I would do it, I would still fucking do it. We only hope that Monday can be wild oh yeah, because this has to be like a mania after the Raw, after mania type shit, because they have classified SummerSlam as a mania almost with the two nights.
Speaker 2:I mean it always has been and one of the problems that has been going on, and we'll get back to the actual card, because it's something I've been wanting to talk about. We've just so much has been happening we haven't got a chance to, but I feel as if the show after the pay-per-views, specifically this year, have not been living up to what the show after a pay-per-view should be, and that's across the board.
Speaker 1:Are you talking about like so the show after the pay-per-view?
Speaker 2:So, for example, I'm not even going to bring them up, I'm going to say WrestleMania. The night at the Raw after WrestleMania was dull, like it wasn't big, and usually the Raw after a pay-per-view any pay-per-view is fire-fired. I would say, out of this whole year, the Raw that came after Evolution, that one was fire in terms. The matches were good but it did not really set up anything great.
Speaker 1:Okay, I can get behind that.
Speaker 2:And I said I wasn't going to, but then but I have to because they need to be held accountable. Aew after their WrestleMania that they had.
Speaker 1:I need to do like a segment where it's just like and AEW slander.
Speaker 2:Listen, listen, I will say it. I said it once and I'll say it again I don't hate AEW. I'm not an AEW hater. I want them to do good. It's just that they're not, and so I have to talk about and all right, trickle, you say this, but think about it. They had that big pay-per-view. You know spike beds, death matches, eating, eating out each other's cooters that happened.
Speaker 1:Oh, oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, hey look, hey look, hey look, hey look, hey look. Hold up now, Hold up, Hold up. We can talk a lot about AEW, but you was not about to talk about Toni Storm, my nigga.
Speaker 2:You was not about to do that, but hear me and there's nothing wrong with Toni Storm as a matter of fact, she's perfectly fine because she did what she needed to do. But when you look at the next Dynamite after that pay-per-view, what did it do? Nothing, nothing.
Speaker 1:Tony Storm is fine. Tony Storm delivers the promotion, doesn't yes, absolutely, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2:But AEW is not the only one who's on fire for it, because that's been this whole year, you would think. And a lot of people's talk shit about it and I'm gonna get off of here in a minute, but it's like everyone was talking about how they had they sold out. Well, they didn't sell out, but they had this big ass crowd 20 something thousand people and then their next show that they have barely cracks, 1 500 people in the, in the, in the venue type thing oh, the ballroom yeah, and it's like optic wise.
Speaker 1:That's such a bad look but I feel like that's always been the thing for them is they always do have a bad look. You're right. I mean just the ballroom setups. They've been doing that because they want to be. It's like, here's the weird thing about Tony Khan and with how he presents AEW, he wants it to be New Japan, but with ECW swagger, because ECW was known for the ballrooms it don't.
Speaker 2:ECW swagger, because ECW was known for the ballrooms. It don't. It don't work, it don't. And then on top of that they have the ballroom and it's like they didn't progress really anything. They got forbidden door coming up.
Speaker 2:And it's like they didn't plant seeds. They, you know, they didn't truly plant seeds. They just kind of sort of like oh, we're gonna throw some seeds out and a little small seeds, hopefully people can catch them, type thing. You know what I'm saying? Like they didn't push for, because usually after a big show you that's like the reset and so it's like you gotta plant shit immediately to hook us in and then give us the reasons like all right, well, if that was the season finale, what is this new pilot episode y'all gonna give us? And they didn't give us anything.
Speaker 1:Hey, look, you know what, just like in anime and everything else, sometimes it's a slow burn. But to get back to this match Filler wrestling, a filler episode. Hey, sometimes WWE be doing that shit. No, they be doing filler episodes because even back in the Attitude Era, Huh.
Speaker 3:Dive Bar Wrestling.
Speaker 2:The Dive Bar Wrestling. Dive Bar Wrestling. Now that's AEW.
Speaker 1:Yes, yes, no, what I'm talking about remember back in the day, in Attitude Era, there'd be some filler episodes, because it'd be something that happened that you'd be like all right, next week you should be having something about it, and they'll don't do it and it'll just go on to some other things.
Speaker 2:But that's just but usually those happen very in between episodes, not right after a WrestleMania.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah and so, but overall, what did you guys think about Braun and the bronze versus the Oos Solid match?
Speaker 2:It was a solid match and it kind of honestly.
Speaker 1:I would say it kind of set the tone for the rest of the night. So what's your Boiler Room Heat rating? Out of a five-star rating, it's the Boiler Room Heat rating.
Speaker 2:How hot was the match. I mean Roman Reigns did hit that high-ass jump, Almost over-jumped the boy.
Speaker 1:He takered himself.
Speaker 3:Bro, I love Taker. He takered himself.
Speaker 2:I feel like Roman Reigns is trying to overdo a taker. Honestly, he was like, alright, I know a taker used to hit this shit. Let me hit this shit. Honestly, I'd have to give it a three, though Three yeah, I would agree.
Speaker 1:Three the 3.5,. It would have been a 3.5 if they would have hit the 1D and finished it with the 1D.
Speaker 3:I think that should have been the finish.
Speaker 1:Yeah, the 1D should have been the finish, oh yeah.
Speaker 2:If they would have hit that finish like that, that would have been nice, yeah, like if Bron would have jumped.
Speaker 3:Learn how to jump.
Speaker 1:Yeah, Bron need to know how to jump, Bro he's.
Speaker 2:He's saying back that man. He almost saying back mean Roman did. He said he said.
Speaker 1:He says you the motherfucking tribal chief, show me, show me if you can pick my ass up. But overall I think we can all say a three, a three. If anything, three solid Cool We'll be right back.
Speaker 2:Let's go with that 3.5.
Speaker 1:Are we going forward? Are we going in order?
Speaker 2:Yeah just go on.
Speaker 1:It's not in order, well, um.
Speaker 2:No, it's close enough. Yeah, yeah, yeah, because that match is at the end. Actually, I think that is the actual order. Yeah, what's next?
Speaker 3:We'll do. How about the Women's Tag Team Championship?
Speaker 1:Yeah, that was pretty much. Yeah, yeah, yeah, what's next? Um, I, I, I.
Speaker 2:I am surprised.
Speaker 1:I actually got that prediction wrong again. Night one prediction was terrible.
Speaker 3:Oh, yeah, we were off. Yo, we was off bro.
Speaker 1:We was off, we was way off. Because, it seemed like a very predictable show, but it wasn't apparently no, they hit us with the swerves.
Speaker 2:I always said that I would love for Charlotte and them to win Same but like. I feel like it ain't time for them to win, but apparently it is time for them to win.
Speaker 1:Apparently they getting over it. That's why you know what I'm saying and I it was.
Speaker 2:I mean, I will admit it was a bit campy, it's a three, but it was straight.
Speaker 3:I love Alexa's DDT. Oh listen, I love her versus Sister Abigail.
Speaker 2:Listen that.
Speaker 3:Wow, yeah, Boy, she put that the first time I saw her do it, the Royal Rumble. She did it outside, coming to the ring yes. Oh, beautiful.
Speaker 1:I feel like the first time you actually seen her do it as an adaptation of it, it was great, it was great. But overall in this match I would have to actually seen her do it like as an adaptation of it, like it was like great, it was great. But overall in this match I would have to get, if I were to say, an mvp of this is obviously charlotte. Charlotte was definitely mvp, but I also got to give it to um roxanne.
Speaker 2:Roxanne was definitely showing out in that match listen, roxanne, because, because it took it a minute for me to really the fuck you laughing at what you feeling on him.
Speaker 3:Your love of Roxanne.
Speaker 1:I love. I'm just saying but no, but that was legit. She was out of Raquel. She wasn't really Raquel wasn't really doing shit, though, which is kind of you got to give it like it was Charlotte and Roxanne.
Speaker 2:They really doing shit, though, which is kind of crazy. You got to give it like with Charlotte and Roxanne.
Speaker 1:They did carry the mat. That's what I'm saying. That wasn't. That's. That's not me praising, because, yes, she bad as fuck, but it's like, at the same time, for her being so tiny and in a ring full of almost giants outside of Alexa, because they're almost the same height, I think, yeah, yeah, but like she's holding her, she's holding her weight.
Speaker 2:Last I checked, she's 4'11". I wrote about it.
Speaker 1:Dog dog emoji. Let me, I still gotta do that. I was trying to actually edit that. When I was on the plane going to Utah I was trying to get the that. When I was on a plane going to Utah, I was trying to get the clip that you wanted me to get of Shayna choking out, but I couldn't record it on my phone because the only way I could record it was on Peacock, and Peacock restricts screen recording. Ah, okay, so that's the only way I could get it, so I had to do it another way, but it will happen Anyway, oh God, yes, that match Three. What would y'all rate it in the boiler Three?
Speaker 2:Yeah, no, it was a solid three Once again. A solid, solid match with an unexpected W by the not best friends. I love this whole thing, with them saying are we going to use the F? Them says like are we gonna use the f word mbf? And that's the team, and then, of course, at the very at the at the post show, like the crowd got them to hug it out. Yes, which is great.
Speaker 1:I truly felt like the way they would have lost the belts was that whole the, the breaking of the ascension of the Judgment Day. Like Liv come back and it's like Raquel, you've been teaming up with her, she's like going on her own now. That's what I thought was going to happen and that's how they lost the belt.
Speaker 2:Now you, you bringing that up, that is, I almost feel, as if that that was the theme of this pay-per-view, because that this match and the match before, for all intents and purposes, clean W's very clean W's, which I mean obviously going against the bronze.
Speaker 1:I mean Roman Roman getting a pin and shit, like that's one thing, but the thing that really killed it for me was, bro, these clean wins, especially over the bronze.
Speaker 3:Wait, I remember what killed me during that match was the breast countout. Yeah, gave him like four and a half minutes outside the ring. Yeah, he started to count that.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I'm like bro, where is the count?
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, where is the count he out here on that one.
Speaker 3:M-I-S-S-I-S-S-I-S-I-P-P-I.
Speaker 2:Two.
Speaker 1:M-I-S-S-I-S-S-I-S-I-P-P-I Yo ass, dead ass. And it was just like yo, it was pissing me off because it's like ref. And then he'll be like and then all of a sudden everybody's in the ring and it's like ref, where's the five count? And even at least in AEW, they have a rule where obviously, if the tag teams are in the ring, I think they have a 20 count, Is it? They do establish just like a 10 or a 20 count or something like that in the ring before they have to go to their corner.
Speaker 2:Oh, okay, because they purposely do that. If it's a 10 count, that makes sense.
Speaker 1:Yeah, they purposely do that because they know most of their spots are. We should be doing crazy shit with both teams or in the ring.
Speaker 2:Now I can also say which I have to give AEW's announcers credit for. This is the fact that, especially if it's a very important match kind of thing, the announcers do a very good job of saying the fact that the referee is using very tough discretion considering the fact that how important this match is.
Speaker 1:Yeah, they do be saving it.
Speaker 2:They do be saving it, yeah'll be saving it, yeah, so it's like at least they be saying that kind of shit is like because, like you know, we want to defend a runner, so the referee is using discretion during this match, when they be out there hooting and hollering and just brought back up here.
Speaker 1:All right, okay, I just want to let you know, save your arm, um, but no, like it's crazy how there are a lot of clean wins so far, especially with the next match, if I think it is what I think it is, was it not Tiffy versus Jade?
Speaker 2:yeah clean, fucking win that the most. That one damn. We're really saying that.
Speaker 1:Can we even talk about what the information that we know? We got a whole we'll, we'll yeah that's what. I'm saying With the information, because we have insider information but we can't technically talk about it. But Can't talk about it yet. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, but we'll touch on it. We'll touch on the fact that our prediction was supposed to happen but it somehow didn't.
Speaker 2:But instead we got this super duper, squeaky clean win that I am very curious to see where they're going to go.
Speaker 3:I was honestly thinking that Rip Baker was going to show up there.
Speaker 1:That's what I said in the pod. I said that in the pod.
Speaker 2:I thought something would happen. But hey man, when you look at how they've been billing her Only time, when you look at how they've been billing her right Anytime that she's lost a match, it was because of Tom.
Speaker 1:Fulmer Some shenanigans.
Speaker 2:Some Tom Ful of some shenanigans, some kind of shenanigans, some kind of outside interference?
Speaker 1:this is the first time that we watched her take an ll like I'm talking clean my thing that really killed me, though, was like the setup to the, the jaded up top, it was the most assistant. It was like wait, tiffany was like coming up. It's like okay, let me help you, hit real quick. I know I'm gonna help you to put you, put me in your fantasy, and I was like listen, that's a dud right there.
Speaker 2:Me and my uh, my, uh, my roommate, roommate Ray Zeon, we were who was they wrestling? I told him about it and he's all like wait what? And then I physically got up and I went to him and I demonstrated. He's all like that doesn't make any fucking sense, exactly. And then I showed it to him and he's like that doesn't make any fucking sense.
Speaker 1:The thing was is they wanted to mainly use it as a transition to reverse, and then you get the prettiest moonsault ever, which it is, because you know what time it is it's tippy time. It's tippy time, bitch. I was hyping shit. My wife got mad because I was like, yes, funky Tiffany one.
Speaker 3:Yes, yes, I'm mad at me. Yeah, yes, funky 1051.
Speaker 1:Yes, yes, yeah, no. You yell louder with bra. Your dick was hard as fuck for that shit, bro. That man damn near ejaculated. Bro, that was crazy, that motherfucker ejaculated. Remember the bra guy? That would have been you. Yes, that motherfucker bro, that motherfucker. I got the. That would have been you. Yes, that motherfucker bro, that motherfucker goodness, listen, fam, I don't overall for the match, though, tiffy and Jay, what y'all think, what would y'all give it as a hot, as the, as the boiler room heat, what y'all, what y'all rate it at?
Speaker 2:I have to get. I give it a 2.5. Damn.
Speaker 3:Yeah, actually I was going to say the same.
Speaker 1:Damn, that's a, that's I kind of angle cap. Might even give it a one. Explain yourself, because, man, it was just like it really fucked over Jade. The outcome of the match is what really fucked it over for me, because jade has been so, she's been kept strong so long and then now, because of this loss, you could look at her when she was outside the ring. It's just like. So now what? Like uh, that momentum.
Speaker 2:Gone. I ain't gonna lie, I'm interested to see where this is going to go, because it's like she loses and like that was all she had holding to claim. So it's like I swear to God, if she comes out there on some Rhea Ripley shit and try and force her way back into the title picture for saying like nah, nah, nah.
Speaker 1:I need to have and then two. I also didn't like how the match was seven minutes long. It was not Like as much as they keep trying to build Jade up. She's not producing barn burners yet, man, but she is improving she is. But this was the time to to throw a barn burner and you give us a seven minute, like it was my question was why make her clean the ring if it's all I was gonna have?
Speaker 1:but here's the thing with wwe too. You know, they, they and this is a very big bench tradition. I guess it may have sticked. We just going to be like the day of hey, we're just going to flip shit and actually Tiffany's going over, but see, well.
Speaker 2:so I think for one, they should have waited for this match, I feel. Because now that, because when you look at who won the King of the Ring, right, it was her and it was Cody Rhodes, Normally.
Speaker 1:Cody won his match, by the way. I just want to put that out there.
Speaker 2:He put his cash in on purpose.
Speaker 1:Okay His cash in was worth it.
Speaker 2:Usually you would get some kind of boost with the king of the ring. Listen, she came out there only one time and addressed the fact that she was the queen of the ring Once. I mean, when did Cody do it? We're not talking about Cody Exactly, though. He didn't really, but that's not the point, Cause he's already the quarter. I mean, it kind of is the point, but like specifically for this one right here, this nigga is failing right now, Go ahead bro, but I mean cause it goes hand in hand.
Speaker 2:But specifically for her, like she could have leaned a little more into this whole Queen of the Rain thing or something. Remember how Nia did it, how hard she leaned into like I'm the queen.
Speaker 3:Because Nia bad as fuck though.
Speaker 1:God, the queen of Staten Island.
Speaker 2:Aww, what that? What was her name? Goddamn uh, selena Vega.
Speaker 3:Anything. King Bush, that, what was her name?
Speaker 2:Goddamn Selena Vega. Selena Vega, anything King, but she didn't win the match. She was just queen by way of Booker T, but even then she betrayed Trey. Yes, which is true, but even with that she did not do anything. It's almost's almost as if, like the queen of the ring thing was just a quick way to get her in a title match, apparently for her to lose.
Speaker 1:Saudi said we like her, she must go over and queen of the ring Because you know, saudi, they do be like saying, hey, we want these wrestlers, we want these outcomes.
Speaker 2:We still waiting for Yokozuna's match bro.
Speaker 1:Technically happened Up there with Hogan.
Speaker 2:Or no comment. Yeah, so what was the next match?
Speaker 3:That's a good transition. Randy Orton and Jelly Roll.
Speaker 1:Man.
Speaker 3:Drew McIntyre and Logan Paul.
Speaker 1:Unfortunately, this to me was supposed to be the bathroom break match, but it turned out to be like you know how, when you walk in a way it's like okay, hold on, this might be cooking a little bit, hold on, you know. The only reason why is because once you saw the first bump that jelly roll took, you're like wait, is it actually taking bumps?
Speaker 2:oh, he's, he took real bumps.
Speaker 1:He took bumpity bumps, uh, that that would be more of a wreck. Actually, the bump that he took on that table was a wreck. Yeah, yeah, that was a wreck. Yes, I was actually noticing that, like, because even though we don't know if he produced it, but I can't remember his actual, real name Abyss Joseph Park, joseph Park. Yeah, we both believe that he might have produced the match, either one, because he's given. I mean, he had the Cho Slam when he was Abyss and he had the Black Hole Slam and he technically did both of them. It was kind of more of a boss man slam, not a black hole, because black hole he holds your ass up. There is a difference, but it was. But if you look at how Abyss did it, a lot of times he would hold you up and then boom.
Speaker 2:So what? I've come to understand the real difference between the black hole slam and the big boss man slam, as some kind of look at it. As is the fact, like there, when big boss man does it, it's like compared to abyss. Abyss, like he drops really hard with it, he controls it and he controls it. That's the other. Yeah, he does control, he has full control over it and like he has, like there's like a peak point where he hits the drop with it kind of thing.
Speaker 2:It's like it's fucking, it's quick. Yeah, that's where Bossman his. There was a bit more drag to it. Yeah, and like it was more.
Speaker 1:Almost deep six, almost more of a deep six. Yeah, it more almost deep six, almost more of like a deep. Yeah, it's almost deep six.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah that as well, cause like where Abyss, you know, and I think my favorite ones for Abyss is whenever he like just grab no, run nothing.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah, just just just no, anytime he does put somebody on, like some tax or something like that, it's always like it's interesting how he gets the spin going and it's like if somebody was running and just no and it just slams you.
Speaker 2:So I love how he always has control over it, that element of control over his black hole actually man just watching a montage of that on YouTube just over his black hole.
Speaker 1:Actually, man just watching a montage of that on YouTube just all his black hole slams Bam For a whole hour. It's just that I did take that for like a day. I did watch that for.
Speaker 3:Huh, it was like 20 years ago. Absolutely.
Speaker 1:Absolutely All equally great, but All equally great. This match was fairly decent. Obviously, this match was fairly decent, obviously, logan Paul. He did what he was supposed to do. I don't give a fuck what y'all say. Y'all can hate me, but that boy know how to fucking wrestle bro.
Speaker 1:I don't know why people are giving him way too long to do some of those spots it's cause of Jelly Roll, though he was too obvious with the the moment of knowing like hey and and even certain kicks and stuff like that. But again back to the Logan Paul. We understand he has done some shitty things as a person, but since a lot of people like to separate the art from the artist, this is an example the art that that man does in the ring. You cannot deny that Outside of the ring probably not going to give a fuck, but when he's in that ring and he's under them lights for a moment, you have my attention.
Speaker 3:I did think his match with Roman was pretty good.
Speaker 1:The match with Cena, the match with AJ, the match with Ricochet, the match, any fucking match was good. Maybe not the first one. The first one was like hold up, but obviously that was his first one, so he can't really get mad at him.
Speaker 2:Yeah, logan Paul can't be denied, with his ability in the ring, can't be. And for a person of Jelly Roll's status and with the I don't know how much time he had to train, but even then, to be someone who was not an athlete whatsoever to lose 230 pounds, yeah, to and be. What was this? He was. This is the first time he's been under 300 pounds since middle school, so he was, for all intents and purposes, a, a forever big man.
Speaker 1:Hey look, I wasn't even that big in middle school. I was like 275, like 250. So it's like.
Speaker 2:It's impressive for him to have, as they call him, an outsider or a celebrity, to have taken the, to take the beating that he got.
Speaker 1:I didn't know he was a WCW wrestler. Wow, you say he was an outsider.
Speaker 2:Anyway, to take the beating that he took and then for him to perform as he did at the level he did. I mean, I have to get to him Now. It's funny because a lot of people are all like man. So you're telling me that LA Knight and so-and-so and so-and-so had to sit out for this match. I'm like, come on guys, come on guys. As a LA Knight fan, sure I get it. However, it's not his time anyway. It's not LA's night time right now. It's not Carmelo Hayes.
Speaker 1:I don't think they would ever— I don't know if they're going to really pull the trigger on LA Knight, and that's another conversation for another day. I don't think at this point in time they're probably going to pull the trigger and I don't know how much longer he has. He's like 39 or some shit now.
Speaker 2:I don't know how old he is.
Speaker 1:He's like 39. I feel as if Like, 38, 37, some shit like.
Speaker 2:With the way that night two ends it's. At this point we can start building your LA Knights, your Carmelo Hayes' kind of thing, because the top spot is now clearly outside of John Cena's hand, john Cena's been removed from the title picture and now we just have Cody back and John Cena has a whole beast in Carnegie's guy deal with you.
Speaker 1:just, you had to roll that shit in, didn't you? Oh, it is what it is.
Speaker 2:Hey, you should be happy because now Carmelo Hayes can step up, because now it makes sense for him to be in the title picture Put the fries in the bag, bro.
Speaker 1:Bro, his dick is so hard, like okay. So y'all the shit y'all was talking about with me and fucking Monet and my belt that's him and Brock right now my fault.
Speaker 3:You have a Monet who I love a lot. Get the fuck. No Swag bag.
Speaker 1:No, For anybody that don't know, I have a CEO belt because I competed in CEO, a fighting tournament, and this motherfucker just thinks I have Monet gear. Anyway, let's not, let's not. Let's not get on that. Let's talk about the next fucking match. What was the next?
Speaker 2:match. Yeah, you definitely. The next match is Sammy Z and Karrion.
Speaker 3:Kross, the next fucking match. What was the?
Speaker 2:next match. Yeah you definitely.
Speaker 3:The next match.
Speaker 2:The Sammy Z carrying her off. That was a one. This was a throwaway match.
Speaker 1:That was a one.
Speaker 2:This was the bathroom break. That truly was the bathroom break.
Speaker 1:But it was a one.
Speaker 2:It was a one, but it's like I feel as if, like we try so hard to want Karrion Kross to do something, or to want Karrion Kross, and at this point it's like for what I mean.
Speaker 1:You're not wrong, though. It's only because, like, I was really hoping that, yes, he's getting over it, yes, the audience is like asking for him. But then, all of a sudden, you're just're just like giving us a storyline where, OK, I said the outcome of making Sammy do whatever, OK, where would we go with this? I'm kind of curious, when would you go with it. But then, as Swag brought it to my attention, he says, well, it would make no sense because him going a heel, like what would that do for him when apparently they're trying to put him in the title picture? But heel, like what would that do for him when apparently they're trying to put him in the title picture?
Speaker 2:But I'm like I don't feel like they would ever put the belt on Sami Listen, once upon a time, when Sami Zayn first came from NXT NXT, a lot of people looked at Sami Zayn as the next John Cena because he was such a white meat baby face good guy.
Speaker 1:I mean he white as hell. You ain't right, that boy ain't got no tan in his skin.
Speaker 2:No, tan, and it's funny you saying that Like something that he has not done in a long time. Remember when he used to jump through the fucking ropes and hit that fucking?
Speaker 1:tornado. A lot of the things he don't do anymore because he's getting older. Yeah, he's getting older, bro. Another thing you can even say is Roman, don't even do drive-by.
Speaker 2:Oh, that's right, he didn't used to do that he don't do drive-by no more.
Speaker 1:Those are the two things on. Like I remember in the games that was specifically their moves and I remember them connected to it and then you don't see both doing it anymore and I felt like the drive-by was a really safe move. I mean it was cool. You know what I'm saying. Maybe he just got tired of hitting his back on April the hardest part of the ring, by the way. By the way, hardest part of the ring.
Speaker 2:But honestly, like this match, I'm glad we got this last one and done, done I think Karrion's on.
Speaker 3:Apparently from the contract, that's the word From the contract coming up.
Speaker 2:The problem is where does he go?
Speaker 1:That part. I mean he apparently no GCWw. I think he would go to gcw. He would pair perfectly fine with gcw's roster possible the grant. I don't know gcw that well speaking of which, gcw actually had a lot of wwe wrestlers in their card before uh summer slam, so natalia had a match, not far like a fucking mainstay over there right now.
Speaker 2:Yeah, because she's had like a couple of matches over there.
Speaker 1:Yeah, well, because it's the only promotion that's going to give her a fucking match, which is weird Because it's not like Natalya's, unless she's like secretly been let go. No, because they put the WWE logo next to every wrestler from WWE. So Natalya went against Nikki Slamovich from TNA, which I'm surprised. They don't put the TNA logo next to their wrestlers, but they put Masha.
Speaker 2:Slamovich, masha Slamovich, right right, I don't like Nikki, my bad.
Speaker 1:Masha Slamovich and Ivar and Eric the Raiders. They both had single matches there too Interesting. And one more person from WWE had a match from over there and I can't remember his name either, but I saw that card and the card started at 1pm yesterday so it was way before SummerSlam. Yeah, and I saw that like on Facebook I was scrolling. This is a card, but it was their Bloodsport, so there was no ring. Oh yeah, so I think they were. That's like their mma style matches, yeah yeah, I've heard about that whole okay but my thing is it's natalia.
Speaker 1:How did that go? Because no offense to natalia. Talia's a wrestler and slamovich, that makes sense but not natalia, I mean, you know, also try to flip your mic to point up at you. Oh, was it being crazy? Yeah, just flip it up, so that way it actually catches your audio going up it was looking up. It was just kind of going down. You're good, okay, there we go. Yeah, but it's just interesting yeah, I didn't know.
Speaker 1:Now I'm gonna have to look that shit well, gcw, you can only watch through a subscription and I did have a subscription for internet wrestling, like all indie wrestling. It's a $10 subscription for a month and you get all indie wrestling like any other indie. It's indie TV, got it, cause that's how you can see H2O wrestling. There's a couple other promotions, but I think gcw's on that. I'm not 100 sure, I checked, but uh, because I know I wanted to watch one of their deathmatch wrestlers. Um, she, I don't know, she's still champion right now, but she's fucking hot commodity. Um, anyway, back to this card. Yeah, that match was a one for me, as we're talking about the Sami Zayn and Karrion Kross. It's a one for me because it was just kind of like what is this for?
Speaker 3:Like a half star Damn.
Speaker 1:I mean, it wasn't that great of a match.
Speaker 3:All day. You know this Still watch, but that was just a throwaway match.
Speaker 1:It really was the equivalent of a Divas match back in the day. Just go to the bathroom, damn. Go to the bathroom. Go to the bathroom Back in the day.
Speaker 2:I mean you could have. It's just because the fact like there was like oh, that was actually the second bit of blood that happened in this pay-per-view, by the way, cause Karrion Kross busted his nose a little bit oh, I mean yeah there was a little bit of blood there, but like, not, like, not keeping. The only reason why I kept counting that is because of an earlier conversation we had talking about AEW and their oh, their pools of blood, their pools of blood and overuse of Deathmatches, deathmatch-type things.
Speaker 3:Yeah, but that is a conversation for another time.
Speaker 2:Because, boy oh boy, there's a lot to unpack with it. But yeah, I'd probably give it, like I mean, I'd give it a two, mostly just because the match in itself wrestling-wise was fine, so it was good to watch. And you know, there was some story in there, not him, but so but, like you know, the whole trying to get sammy to use the pipe and all this other stuff, and so it's like there was, oh god that you know you're right. Go to the next fucking match, obviously.
Speaker 3:What.
Speaker 1:That was match of the night. Match of the fucking night that was a solid four. Nah, bro, I'm going to give that a five. I'm giving that a five.
Speaker 3:I'd give it a five with the N.
Speaker 1:That's what I'm saying, that's what makes it a five.
Speaker 3:The post-match I would give it a five with the N. That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 2:That's what makes it five? The post-match? I would, I would give it, I would give it a four and I would, I would give it a four and I would say it was, as far as match-wise, match of the pay-per-view.
Speaker 1:Literally, literally the entire pay-per-view. It was the match Out of the whole pay-per-view of this match hit the hardest.
Speaker 2:Yeah, Because it was a solid wrestling match.
Speaker 1:Yes.
Speaker 3:It was a glutton for punishment.
Speaker 1:Bro, that boy, a masochist bro, I'm trying to tell you he would just straight get hit in the chest. All night I think he went up to Gunther and said, bro, I need you the fuck out of him. Okay, like all this, just slap the shit out of it, bro, just give me your best hits, because I've been talking about you. You're a generational wrestler. You could be in any era and you'd be good. So I want to see how good you are and I need you to just slap the shit out of my chest. Big man, slap me.
Speaker 1:And Gunther said bet in German, so I was like I'm actually asking my wife what would be the equivalent of bet I will ask her Now.
Speaker 2:I'm curious.
Speaker 1:I'll find out for you. I'm going to ask her. She went to bed, but otherwise.
Speaker 2:I'll ask her yeah, no, like there's, there was nothing wrong with that match, Like it was good from start to finish. Now I will say, if I remember, what our predictions were for that one. We were all saying Gunther.
Speaker 1:I think I said Gunther yeah.
Speaker 2:Because and the reasons why for me it was like the only we were saying Gunther, and it was like the only reason why CM Punk would win is because of what exactly happens after that match Now unfortunately, man, that shit had me crying bro.
Speaker 1:That was wild to me, bro, bro, that was emotional bro for me.
Speaker 2:I when, when CM Punk won I was all like, oh damn, they gave him the belt. But then if you notice in the crowd everyone's all like, oh shit, he won yeah, yeah, yeah, waiting for it.
Speaker 2:I honestly thought it was going to happen at Survivor's now I will give it to them, because they did the thing where, like, you're all like, okay, they're going to do it. Okay, they're going to do it now. Okay, they're going to do it now. Okay, now they're going to do it right there. And then it's like huh, that's interesting. So they weren't going to own their own, ah, so they weren't going back phone ah, they almost had me.
Speaker 2:There it is. And as soon as that happened, it's like and then he comes out with the crutches. I'm like, well, I know where this is going and sure as shit, like as if he was diesel in a wheelchair. He went into the ring and he did exactly what he knew he was going to do from goddamn Jump Street. They strung us along. They strung us along long enough so that we could get a pop and make this man cry, apparently, bruh, because you saw the emotion on Punk's face.
Speaker 1:Man, that man had that title in years and he went through a lot of shit to finally get back to this moment to get that belt. So even Rhea Ripley said hey, yo, run that shit back, get that man's belt back.
Speaker 2:Exactly how I felt. Yo run that shit back, get that man his belt back. No-transcript, as where me and the rest of the fucking crowd was all like CM Punk did win you know, the argument I gave you earlier about why I felt so nervous makes sense.
Speaker 3:Because he came back. Yeah, because if he did and the Knights, if Punk was in a war game match, they would know. We know we're going to have. Yeah, it would have set me out very differently, the same way Punk did. Two-year anniversary.
Speaker 1:I feel like I feel like the thing about it is for a war game match. It's like he just got the belt and you're gonna put him in a match. He's not defending it, like no, like it.
Speaker 2:To me what happened now it kinda did make sense, only because now we have a story to build on to where Survivor Series that is the match and there's also the fact that, because you cannot wait, because we're seeing punk also has this bit now, unless they're going to do something at a, uh, clash at the castle, because clash in paris, paris, there we go, because gunther's gotta get his lick back.
Speaker 2:Yeah, he's got his rematch clause, because every once in a while the rematch clause actually matters, unless you're Jey Uso and you have to just go into King of the Ring and fail and never get your rematch in Four letters one word fail or four letters one word lose.
Speaker 3:This is another wordings match with Old Bloodline versus the new faction of Rollins and LeBron.
Speaker 1:We're waiting on that fourth member.
Speaker 2:You know you're saying that because Roman Reigns is also here to get his lick back. And now that Seth get his lick back, and now that Seth Rollins is back.
Speaker 1:Can we talk about real quick, even though the bronze are a tag team, I feel like a tag team that might mesh well with Rollins and them and this would be, unfortunately, the tag team that. Okay, if shit popped off, they taking the fall.
Speaker 2:DIY.
Speaker 1:So what adding?
Speaker 2:DIY to Seth.
Speaker 1:Rollins' group no, just if they did a War Games, I feel like DIY would be the perfect team to fit their aesthetic.
Speaker 2:So, in this hypothetical situation, if we have Seth Rollins, what did I call them? I called them the goddamn Shawn Michaels. No, no no Triple. H, the group oh the group Okay, I called the group Seth Rollins' future right. So if we have the future in DIY, then are we gonna just have full bloodline?
Speaker 1:It could be that, because if we have Roman Reigns and Jay.
Speaker 3:Well, it would be a CM Punk thing.
Speaker 1:Yeah, with the NFTs, so it would be a CM Punk versus Seth crew, so Seth wouldn't give him the match at Survivor Series, nfts. So it would be a CM Punk versus Seth crew, so Seth wouldn't give him the match at Survivor Series. It would be a War Games match and CM Punk would be the leader of his team versus Seth's team.
Speaker 2:But then what is CM Punk's team?
Speaker 1:then Probably be Jay and Roman.
Speaker 2:But then we'd have to address the whole when Roman first came back and he helped up Jay and he did not give hand to a punk.
Speaker 1:But then I think he probably would sympathize with him because Seth also did that same shit to him at Mania. But see, there's also the fact that last the big double cross of Mania, that that last, the big double-cross of mania. That's what I'm saying. He might sympathize with him.
Speaker 2:Double-double-cross no, the heist of the Citroën, but the thing is, we've already been through this with CM Punk and Roman Reign. Remember what was it? Goddamn last war games.
Speaker 1:I understand it. I'm just saying, like you know, they like rehashing shit a lot, apparently, apparently. But I'm just throwing out a hypothetical. If there was going to be another team, that was the favor there's no favors now that was the whole favor situation yeah, but okay, but then maybe that could be a favor for him, like if I help you out now you gotta do me a favor. But I was just saying, if, hypothetically, if there was a team that would match the aesthetic, it would only be DIY in my mind In my.
Speaker 2:But then it's like but why DIY? Like, why does DIY? I feel like, I feel it just.
Speaker 1:DIY has the ruthless nature that would match the bronze, especially with Tommaso Ciampa.
Speaker 3:NXT Tommaso Ciampa, that's what.
Speaker 1:I'm saying, yeah, that's NXT Tommaso Ciampa.
Speaker 3:That is.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that is, I know, I know. But.
Speaker 2:I'm just saying and, and, and, and. What's this fucking, what's this tag team partner, goddamn.
Speaker 1:Johnny Gargano.
Speaker 2:Yeah, gargano For.
Speaker 1:He could be doing the flippy shit in the match.
Speaker 2:But I don't, I mean visually, actually, not even visually, like. I mean, I see what you're trying to put together, but no, johnny wouldn't, Johnny wouldn't, but I feel like Tommaso would.
Speaker 1:And Tommaso ain't. Tommaso hasn't, he's blowing it, he's blowing it. He needs Beer club. Hit Tommaso. Ain't Tommaso hasn't. He's broke. He needs Beer Club. Hit Tommaso Ciampa.
Speaker 2:Tommaso Ciampa. Tommaso Ciampa has not gotten back to goldie status. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1:I don't.
Speaker 3:He used to hold the tag he used to hold the tag team title, like that At least Tommaso Ciampa's, not as bad as Mr Bang Bang Gang there, to my AEW.
Speaker 1:Yeah, oh, you're talking about Juice, juice. Oh my, you mean Bo Dallas. You mean Bo Dallas. Oh God, that was Bo Dallas.
Speaker 3:That was awful to see Juice come out like that Babyface.
Speaker 2:Juice is wild, I ain't going to lie. Yeah, I know. No, no, babyface juice is wild, I ain't gonna lie.
Speaker 1:But overall that is night one Truly feel like Match of the pay per view. The match of the PO league entirely Was CM Punk and Gunther.
Speaker 3:Other than the bullshit bleeding.
Speaker 1:That was that paint shit. That was the shit they did with Jimmy. It's cool, that's cool.
Speaker 2:If we took night one and then brought over?
Speaker 1:It was that TLC match in night one.
Speaker 2:If we take night one and we bring that TLC match over and then and honestly bring over the first match of night one, that pay-per-view would have been fine.
Speaker 1:Actually I would. I would kind of even also give it up to Valkyria and Becky If you'd probably put that on night one too. That was a good damn match.
Speaker 2:I mean honestly truthfully, match, specifically match wise. Now, as far as the moments that end up happening on night two, that's the only thing that saves night two. Yeah, what the Brock thing? Just the moments that happen. So, it's like where night one had great matches. Night two had great moments, and so, to talk about night two, let's go ahead and get into it.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah, first no, the first match was Rhea Ripley versus Eosh Skye and Naomi See the list that I got is out of order. Literally it's out of order. Literally, this match was mania, just with a different black woman.
Speaker 2:Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha Ha ha, ha, ha ha, oh no. And what's funny is the fact that, comparably speaking, they got it right this time. The black woman should have won the first time, apparently, but apparently I'm crazy. Apparently I'm crazy compared to this guy, you know, trying to make me out.
Speaker 1:I don't know what I'm talking about, I feel like EO the match at Mania. I feel like EO deserved that yeah.
Speaker 2:Let me put it this way if it would have been Bianca Belair versus Io, absolute okay, so you think Io versus Ripley was still a no? Io versus Ripley. You know why I say it's still a no? Because Ripley lost, she lost her fucking match, bro.
Speaker 1:Here's the thing I ain't gonna lie. I am a little Because Ripley lost. She lost her fucking match, bro. Here's the thing I ain't gonna lie. I am a little. Rhea Ripley'd out right now, listen.
Speaker 2:I am a little Rhea Ripley'd out Going back to that, because how this guy tried to make me sound like I was crazy. All I'm saying is the fact that Rhea Ripley did not need to be in that match because she lost both times. She's lost twice, okay, whether if the second one was considered a draw by Bianca's standard, she lost twice. She did need to be in that match. You know how she got into that match by bitching, crying and moaning and then the GM being like you know what. I'm tired of hearing you cry about it. Fuck it, you can be in the match. She didn't need to be in the fucking match, all right. Now he tried to make it sound like I was crazy, saying the fact that, though she didn't need to be in the match, the match I said the match was good.
Speaker 2:Yes, the match was good and and it was fun to watch, but it would have still been just fine without Rhea Ripley and he over here trying to make it sound like, but I said they wanted the star power.
Speaker 1:They needed Ripley for that star power in that match.
Speaker 2:Just like we needed the Rock for that star power for this bullshit-ass. John Cena, run right, you're right, you're right.
Speaker 1:But what I was saying for Mania, for Mania, right, but what I was saying for Mania, for Mania, they wanted Rhea because they wanted the star power. Now, for this match, rhea shouldn't have been in it, and this is why I was saying I'm a little Rhea Ripley'd out because it's like, bro, how are you getting these contender matches? For no fucking reason. It's just like yo, I'm not a fan of it. That just like yo, I'm not a fan of it. That's why I'm like yo. She needs to just go away for a little bit, just chill.
Speaker 2:That's why she like she should have been in the last match. That's why she got pinned tonight.
Speaker 1:Yeah, she did get pinned again. Yeah, Wait, is that technically the same outcome too?
Speaker 2:No, Bianca took the pin. Bianca ate that pin and she absolutely should not have R. No, bianca took a pen. No, bianca ate that pen and she absolutely should not have. Rhea Ripley should have ate that pen. But that is old news. The new news is we all need to now continue to proceed with caution, because now Stephanie Valquier and Naomi are about to fight in Paris.
Speaker 1:We'll see that soon. But I will say, as a match, I'm going to give it a three. Give it a solid three.
Speaker 3:Yeah, yeah, solid three, solid three it did have some good spectacles.
Speaker 1:I felt like overall the matches were good. Overall the match was good. I think a solid the matches were good. Overall the match was good. I think a solid three would be good.
Speaker 2:Naomi Io Scott and Rhea Ripley can do no wrong in the ring. And that's just what it is Facts and the way that it won for all intents and purposes, the way that it won, for all it, for all intents and purposes, the way that it won. It's almost as if like, okay, now that that has happened, we actually can move on from everything, because now rhea ripley should, as she should be now actually at the bottom of the fucking barrel and she needs to work her way back up.
Speaker 1:Valid shit, valid shit and so. So what's that next? That next match.
Speaker 3:The next we have the TLC match.
Speaker 1:Match of the night night two.
Speaker 3:Yes.
Speaker 2:Absolutely yeah. It is crazy because, like, for all intents and purposes, it really was a spot fest it really was.
Speaker 1:It wasn't. I love how they kept putting the cams on the Dudleys but never on the Hardys.
Speaker 2:It wasn't a. It was indeed a very AEW style spot fest.
Speaker 1:Yes, but these spots were actually worth it though.
Speaker 2:They were in good taste and well chosen and well done, and not overdone at that what's Johnny's wife again?
Speaker 1:um, candice LeRae took the biggest spot of the night. I'm sorry that. That was a raw table spot, that raw ladder spot, and you drove through it. You had no safety net nothing, sweetie, you deserve a medal. Okay, ladder spot and you drove through it. You had no safety net, nothing, sweetie, you deserve a medal. Okay, you deserve a fucking medal because, knowing how high that is and you're looking, down.
Speaker 2:That match was actually what we stayed for our podcast guaranteed destruction.
Speaker 1:Yes, yes, there were a lot of spots which, by the way, I don't know why WWE just says, yo, let's put Andrade and Fiennes together when you literally have the Lucha Bros right now. Stupid, but yeah, I don't know why they did it. I was excited for the match because I was like, yeah, this is going to be a barn burner, but I'm not excited for the outcome that I know is going to happen, which was the Wyatt Sixers going to win.
Speaker 2:So it was kind of like, which, to me, is crazy because of the whole Seth Rollins thing for me a little bit, Because it was like we know Seth Rollins was going. Now I guess there may have been a little bit, it was a little bit.
Speaker 1:It was because we even said on the pod we hoped that Seth would be healthy. But we don't expect it like fully Like we we was hoping that his health was more important than this cash in, because we we even talked about potentially the cash in happening, but we were more so like he, hope he's healthy.
Speaker 2:And I think and now that you actually kind of broke it down that way, I think I think it took that breakdown for me to kind of understand the slight difference, because with the seth rollins thing there was it could happen, there was the idea of like it could happen, but we are choosing to believe that it won't happen Because of his health, because of the fact of he looked like he got legitimately injured, and so it's like that was a good fucking sell, yeah.
Speaker 2:It was. But it's like, I think, if it wasn't for the fact that everyone was harping so hard on the fact of was it a work or was it not a work, if that didn't exist and it was made even further believable that he really was hurt, to completely take our minds off of the fact that he would interfere, I think that's what would have truly sold the whole bit. But because of the fact that, like it was all like it happened and then we just kind of saw it as like it happened and then like we're just going to be hush-hush about it and just not talk about it, as opposed of normally, like Liv Morgan, when she got hurt, she got hurt and then, after she got hurt, we talked about it. They talked about it more. There was an update on it.
Speaker 1:We never actually got an update on it, and when Paul Heyman was I think we only got that small segment where they showed it again, like with his leg, like his leg injury. But you are right.
Speaker 2:But outside of when they did the replay at Saturday Night Main Event after Paul Heyman was all like. He's not here right now and he's got plenty of time to cash this in, but let's focus. Look at Braun Breaker over here, though. When they did that, that was the part that let the world be all like come on here.
Speaker 1:So it's kind of like it's like you see Seth over here, he's, if you look at a Wizard of Oz. He was the Oz in the corner where the dog pulled the sheet to the side. It's like, no, don't look at him. Pay attention to the screen real quick, woo screen. I see.
Speaker 2:If they would have did a whole thing where they like faked. Pay attention to the screen, real quick, woo Screen, I see. If they would have did a whole thing where they like, faked like, because, like you know how, sometimes when people get hurt and they'll be like, they'll show like yeah, like Seth Rollins got his x-rays da-da-da Right, you know now if they would have did that and then just not revisit it anymore afterwards and it's just been understood that Seth Rollins is hurt First off.
Speaker 1:That means you have to fake x-rays. Man Like come on, you got to fake x-rays.
Speaker 2:Yes, Can you imagine? No, no, no.
Speaker 1:Because we got our homeboy who does you know stuff and can you imagine he gets that. Uh needs to be able to fake an X-ray and he has to search that shit up.
Speaker 2:Listen. You go to Google, you type in you know, broken leg X-rays. Go to page 15 on the images, because no one's going to look that far, and then you find the picture.
Speaker 1:Then you find the picture. That's just a JPEG.
Speaker 3:There's a little Photoshop in here and there, and there you go.
Speaker 1:That's just a JPEG. If somebody called that shit, the fuck out, so but back to this.
Speaker 2:Actually, you say in the fact someone would, if they did google it type thing, some really deep, deep web search would be all like. Actually, if you go to page 15 on google images they be doing that shit.
Speaker 1:They do be doing that shit. Listen, those deep guys are crazy. But I will say for that match bar and burner as the four corner tablener table spots, I like it. The Spanish Fly fucks with it. The DDT fucked with it. You know, I like that Spanish Fly. That shit looked like Axiom. His legs probably hit that barricade. The way that shit looked like it looked like he hit his legs on the barricade, which, ooh it did. That Spanish Fly threw those tables. But the way that shit looked like it, shit.
Speaker 2:Like he hit his legs on the barricade, which, ooh, it did, it, did that spares flies through those tables, that and he but he's good at least he seemed like he was good, cause he cause we did see him again after that in the match.
Speaker 1:Hey man, but they look Triple H. Why didn't he?
Speaker 3:do a trotty during this match.
Speaker 1:He got hit with a table spot and I think he didn't show up for the rest of the match.
Speaker 2:He was part of one of the table spots. He did show up slightly at the very end, but he never was able to get back into the ring.
Speaker 1:Yeah, no, and same thing with D'Angelo Dawkins. After that spot he was out.
Speaker 2:You can see it, he was chilling Right, but that was probably the most people I've ever seen who was not originally part of the match going for the type you got b-fab. Yeah, nikki cross b-fab showed up candy. Nikki cross showed up. Goddamn. Eric rowan showed.
Speaker 1:Fucking uncle howdy the whole Wyatt family showed up, which was cheap as fuck Like the whole Wyatt family showed up for this match.
Speaker 3:That'd be a big match the Wyatt 6 versus some kind of a set up team with maybe all the tag teams together.
Speaker 2:But then you're missing a fifth. We've kind of already had all the tag teams literally band together. Honestly, this match, all the tag teams literally band together. Honestly, this match was the tag teams banding together to beat the.
Speaker 1:Wyatts. I mean, that was what DIY was trying to do Originally. It was like yo, we cannot let the Wyatts win. So like they were trying to make sure that they interfered in that match to prevent them from doing it. Diy and.
Speaker 3:Street Profits.
Speaker 1:Tana Soler DIY Street Profits. Tannis LeRae versus Wyatt Zitt the thing about it is because there's only two women in the match. They're only going to be able to interact with each other and it's almost chaos everywhere aside from the females being a part of a thing.
Speaker 2:I mean we do have the NFTs.
Speaker 1:We know they're going to be in it. We already know they're gonna be in it. We already know they're gonna be in the match. But the NFTs versus the Wyatt give me, give me your rating, move that shit, fuck off, move that on. Move that on because we've technically had something similar with the Shield versus the Wyatt's. That was a great match. But what do y'all believe would be the rating for that tag match? 3.5 East, I'd give it a 4. I'm giving it a 4 just for Candice. I was going to say just for.
Speaker 2:Candice, you know what I'd give it that boost because that was a gnarly ball. Honestly, I'll bump it up to a four, yeah, like. And also I ain't gonna say it no, no, no.
Speaker 1:If we talking about the match, go ahead.
Speaker 2:I was just gonna say there was no blood in that match. Oh, how good it was.
Speaker 1:Yeah, oh.
Speaker 2:Yeah, how good was not AEW slander?
Speaker 3:you don't need blood for every match to be good you don't, I don't think so.
Speaker 1:AEW slander, it ain't slander.
Speaker 2:I just need AEW to wake up.
Speaker 1:Okay, you're shooting yourselves in the foot but once again more like the leg because of Dustin you're stabbing yourself in the leg.
Speaker 2:Another podcast topic, for another time.
Speaker 1:I don't even know what you're talking about well we'll definitely you sound like you get ready to fucking lash out like this motherfucker um what's this next? Match. I think it's the intercontinental one, right?
Speaker 3:you got big time backs and Lyra Valguero.
Speaker 2:I'm so mad at the outcome of this match, bro, big time back baby. He's only acted like this because, for whatever reason, he puts Becky Lynch on such a pedestal, that she does not, I said I said I'm a Bailey man too, but I said, out of the four horse women currently she's the most charismatic. Because she rode on the slipstream. That was Charlotte Flair. She rode on the slipstream that was Sasha Banks and apparently Nia Jax, because Nia Jax is the reason why she's in the position.
Speaker 1:Here's the thing If you really want to put it the way, you just put it. If you want to put it the way, you just put it. If you want to put it the way, you just put it. Okay. So she got the charismatic feature from Sasha. She learned how to talk. She was able to kind of tell good stories because of Bayley, because Bayley has a great underdog story in every situation, and now because of the status, she's trying to dress with flair, with the fur coats and how she always dressed. She's trying to be. If you want to really take that coattail shit, she takes elements from each one of them.
Speaker 2:Sure, I guess you could say she takes elements from each one of them. But this thing that I'm talking about is not so much of what she took. It's how she got to the spot that she's in.
Speaker 1:All right, she got there because she was in a lucky situation to get punched in the face.
Speaker 2:Yes, that is a piece of it, but she also only gets to this place because she was with those four horsemen of sorts I guess you could say those four horse women type situation. It's like. It's like when you be on, when you're playing a game, and then it's all like damn, this team won, but you got the least amount of kills and you died the most. That's Becky Lynch. Okay, that's Becky.
Speaker 1:We not gonna continue this slander anywhere. Let's talk about this match, and then, on top of that, this motherfucker Becky Lynch becomes.
Speaker 2:And then when you go to your friend's house and you're with a whole bunch of people who don't know how to play the game, but because you rock with those really good people, it makes you look like you the shit to them.
Speaker 3:Okay.
Speaker 2:That's Becky.
Speaker 1:Lynch, I want y'all to know I'm cutting this mic right now. I'm cutting this mic.
Speaker 3:Cutting this mic Two belt back Jesus.
Speaker 1:yeah, Two belt back. Yeah, I'm playing now. Don't do that.
Speaker 2:I will not accept that this man says oh, you gonna do me like they did CM Punk, huh, Because I'm dropping pipe bombs.
Speaker 1:No, no, no, no, no, no, Because actually they said they weren't going to cut his mind off.
Speaker 3:Meet up with the Kendo stick going into the match though.
Speaker 2:Yes, outside of the fact that you know, screw Becky, the match was lit. The match was lit.
Speaker 1:Lyra fought her ass off if y'all see swag in the next episode. Y'all know why.
Speaker 2:I'll be fine. Y'all I'll be fine, but Lyra was fighting for her life in this match.
Speaker 1:I will give her that that was impressive. Yo, getting your hands zip-tied and doing all those things. I was like you know what.
Speaker 3:The moonsault.
Speaker 1:Yes, as much as I don't like her character, her wrestling capability is top-notch.
Speaker 2:Fam, not necessarily comparing full-on apples to apples, but lyra valkyria is kind of sort of in a bret hart position where now, now what I'm no cook, go ahead, cook, go ahead, cook, go ahead, cook. Bret hart has never been a great promo and I ain't gonna like, I'm not gonna try and gas her up or anything. Lyra's promo skills are lackluster at best as fuck no, as fuck. I can't say as fuck but meh for sure.
Speaker 1:How about this with the women that she's in the ring with? Unfortunately, because she's still a little green compared to those two, she's put in situations where Becky is the kind of person who can make you fluster in a promo because she did it to bailey and bailey can cut a good promo too. So it's like, unfortunately, because she's newer compared to these two who've been doing it for a while, she suffers a little bit, but sure, if it was like, I think her NXT run was better because she's around with everybody else who's similar to her. So her flaws are not as noticeable as, obviously, when you're in a ring with a Becky who's been as a veteran, you know.
Speaker 2:And so to a certain degree, I will easily agree with you on that piece, which is why I make that comparison with Bret Hart, because Bret Hart hart on a promo alone, not standing in the ring with somebody else he never had the voice.
Speaker 1:He never had the voice for a promo true, but it's like.
Speaker 2:But at the end of the day, he, he could at least. He at least gets his point across, as so does does Lyra. But put Bret Hart in the ring with a Shawn Michaels and Bret Hart gets his heart. Bret Hart gets his heart, gets his heart hurt. He gets all in his feels about the sunny days and shit, but it's like call him a heartbreak kid. Shawn Michaels. But, it's like Bret Hart and Shawn Michaels in the ring. Bret Hart suffers because Shawn Michaels can talk circles around him, but when the bell goes ring.
Speaker 1:You mean when you ring the bell?
Speaker 2:When the bell goes ring.
Speaker 1:The tism is strong in you, boy.
Speaker 2:When the bell goes ring, lyra gets into gear and she wrestles very technically sound and she wrestles her heart out just as a Bret Hart would, and so that's the comparison that I'm making she's got a lot of potential she does as a wrestler.
Speaker 1:like I said before, she's doing great. I just can't. I do not like how they present her. I feel or she presents herself, maybe.
Speaker 2:I don't think there's anything wrong with her presentation. It's just her mic work. I really just think it's her mic work.
Speaker 3:Like she. I really just think it's her mic work. She's got time better, true. Look at Roman when he first started.
Speaker 2:The suffering succotash.
Speaker 1:Well, that's also because they kept giving him terrible scripts.
Speaker 2:but Now one could say Lyra might be getting booty scripts too.
Speaker 1:Again, yes, but at the same time, if we're bringing back up that same, that's the same conversation we had with Eva Marie. Here you go, here you go, here we go. You want to talk about that, right, queen, because the training that she got and the training that Valkyria got Valkyria's a great wrestler, but bad in promos. Eva, I think, could at least talk. She just wasn't great in the ring, so it's just like kind of the same situation.
Speaker 2:You're really reaching bro.
Speaker 1:You are.
Speaker 2:You are out here reaching so fucking hard on some he out here stabbing.
Speaker 1:I'm just trying to piss you off. He be trying to piss me off. You be trying to piss me off. You still couldn't improve Listen. Just like I'm trying to piss me off, he out here really reaching with that Because you be trying to piss me the fuck off.
Speaker 2:Super reach no, not comparable.
Speaker 1:Alright, it is not comparable.
Speaker 2:Try harder, I'll give you some more time. Try harder to make it more comparable nah, I tried to piss you off. That was the point and it worked okay, listen, he's just mad because I spit what's real and I always catch him thank you, thank you, thank you.
Speaker 1:I was trying to tell that motherfucker. Anyway, back to this match, thank you, that's about it. Thank you, she was just a body, thank you. So I was trying to tell that motherfucker. Anyway, back to this match. The match overall great spots, great execution from both people. I will definitely say Valkyria was the MVP of this match.
Speaker 3:I did notice something about tonight. For some reason, there was one popular meet-up in the entire night. Almost every match, that was the electric chair. That was in almost every match. The electric chair drop Some version of it. Lyra did it, sienna did it, everybody did it throughout the night at least one.
Speaker 1:That's interesting. I didn't know. I don't think I remember seeing the Valkyrie match.
Speaker 3:Yeah, she did. She had her up and let you drop and then did front wide.
Speaker 1:Yeah, she did.
Speaker 2:I mean because there was that and there was also.
Speaker 3:Here's another thing that also, when the match ended and Becky was sliding out because she was grinning the entire time as she slipped backwards out of the ring.
Speaker 1:Here's another thing that also pisses me off, that Babyface loves to do so. It was completely fucking fine that Valkyria brought this crowbar, but when Becky's about to use it, no, no, no, no, no, and I'm like man, if you don't get fuck out of here, bro, because y'all clearly saw that shit Becky brings out a kendo stick. Valkyrie says man, fuck that shit, I'm actually trying to hurt you. I'm bringing out a crowbar, but no one likes Becky which is true.
Speaker 3:Speak for yourself. I don't think I speak for a good majority yeah that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 1:Speak for yourself.
Speaker 2:Like.
Speaker 1:I said good majority. How do you feel about Becky?
Speaker 2:How do you feel about Becky? I rest my case. I rest my case.
Speaker 1:I think the man moniker is fucking, that shit is dumb as hell. That is dumb as hell. That is dumb as hell.
Speaker 3:I'm also still a Bailey man all day.
Speaker 1:I mean, we all know why we're Bailey men.
Speaker 3:You want to call her a hugger.
Speaker 1:She's a great personality and she's a better wrestler than Becky.
Speaker 3:Yeah, 100%.
Speaker 1:You know what I can't argue with that? I can't argue with that.
Speaker 3:You know what we did see tonight at all. Dis with that. I can't argue with that.
Speaker 1:No, he did see Tanya Lowe disarm her, which he never used. She doesn't do it as much anymore.
Speaker 2:It's kind of a transitional move if anything, which is crazy, that it is because, like, that was her main move. Yeah, but now it's the manhandle slam, but now it's the manhandle. Or is it the manhandle? Or is it just the man slam? I thought it the manhandle, or is it just the man slam.
Speaker 1:I thought it was manhandle, but like, maybe they're both stupid but I mean, you're not wrong, it's basically the rock bottom, but sometimes it wants to be a urinagi, but then sometimes it wants to be a rock bottom. It don't know what it wants to be.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I mean, if anything, because of how this has happened, it's like Lyra is now detached from the Intercontinental title, which I can understand why, because I also made the statement of fact that, like because she can no longer go for the IC title and with the series of matches that she has had up until this point, unlike Jade Cargill, I think we could really see Lyra in the main title picture.
Speaker 1:We all agree about that. Maybe the reason why she's not going for the IC title now she might be going. Well, tiffy Smackdown and Valkyria's Raw. So I don't she has to wait, though. No, because then, naomi, you would want to see the belt on her. I would be perfectly fine if Tiffy lost to Valkyria. I'm okay with that.
Speaker 2:I'm okay with that. No see what? I think they're not stop-.
Speaker 1:No, I'm dead serious. No, no, no, no, no, I'm so serious. No, I'm so serious Like if anybody were to beat her. I didn't see Jade doing it, but it was kind of like it was the writing on the wall because you won Queen in the Ring. But if you're going to take out, if you're going to take Valkyria out of this picture right now of going against Becky because that was the stipulation and if she goes for the heavyweight title, she goes for the women's title. I don't want it to happen to Naomi, because we're still cooking with that right, but here's the thing.
Speaker 2:Here's my predictions on that. They just had this show Nah, they don't really do? They never really.
Speaker 1:They just every once in a while will let somebody pop over to another show.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's what they've been doing this year. Yeah, but what? Yeah, exactly. But what I do think right is the fact that where this is going to go, obviously she's going to go straight into Bayley, right, and her and Bayley are about to have a whole scenario Because Bayley has now cost her a chance at going for the Intercontinental title, you know.
Speaker 1:But here's the thing. So then what happened? Like, okay, because we saw certain small flashes of Becky trying to make her go heal and hit her with the crowbar. So are you maybe saying that? Okay? So valkyria comes at bailey and bailey was like I was trying to help you. I was trying to help you and now bailey gets pissed off because you're coming at me when I was really trying to help you.
Speaker 2:And then bailey turns well, no, it's not so much that bailey's gonna. I mean, maybe bailey does turn, but from what it's going to look like, all valkyria is seeing is the fact bailey interfered in her match. Kind of like how valkyria interfered in bailey's match and cost her the title. Just like how Valkyria kind of cost Bayley the title Becky's special guest referee.
Speaker 1:Go ahead Ew.
Speaker 2:I love how you say really dumb shit.
Speaker 1:I mean, but you got to tap it up here's the thing they really dumb shit.
Speaker 2:so I can be like, all right, let's go to the next one.
Speaker 1:Here's the thing. Here's the thing because Becky's somehow going to get maneuvered in that.
Speaker 2:No, Bayley is done with her. This was the final. The match stipulation said as long as Becky has the belt, Lyra can't bother her, no more.
Speaker 1:No, she said she can't go against her for the title. But what I'm saying is, in this situation Becky's probably going to laugh it up, laugh it up and then Bayley's going to come out there and then cause Valkyrie to come out there and them two argue with each other. So Becky's probably going to laugh it up and, if anything, she would be kind of like a special guest referee. I didn't say she's going to be in the match, she's not fighting, she Special guest referee.
Speaker 2:But if that does happen, then that's extremely stupid and I hate that you tried to talk that into existence, because that doesn't make any fucking sense. It doesn't. It doesn't make any sense. Okay so how about this.
Speaker 1:Who goes up next?
Speaker 2:against Becky. Then who goes up next against Easy? We have a tournament. We have a number one contenders match, because there are plenty of other mid-card women that can fight for this title. Right now we have a Bella. That's around here right now she's never had it.
Speaker 1:Apparently she's injured, because I don't know if this is confirmed, but everybody keeps saying that she got injured from Paige because she elbow dropped her implant, not Paige. Um no, not. Do drop fucking um Paige. Because she elbow dropped her implant. Paige, not Paige. Dew drop, dew drop, no, not dew drop. Fucking Piper Niven.
Speaker 3:See.
Speaker 1:No, we're not calling her dew drop. We're not calling her dew drop.
Speaker 3:We're not calling her dew drop.
Speaker 1:We're not calling her dew drop.
Speaker 2:That ain't right. That ain't right. Shame on you. Shame on you Story.
Speaker 1:You know what Chelsea Green could go against her. You know what?
Speaker 2:what they will most likely do. There's gonna be. Chelsea Green fuck, no, no her and her secret hervice are all on Raw right now. They literally just got done. Like you know what, here we go actually. Okay, the Hurvists are all on Raw right now.
Speaker 1:Yeah, they literally just got done, like Robert Stone's still on. You know what? Here we go, actually, okay, becky and Green. Right, because she was the US champion, so she was doing the Hurvists and everything. So now that was US, now she's intercontinental.
Speaker 2:She's probably going to go for it, but I don't think she's going to win, because that's heel on heel and no one wants to see that kind of thing. Now, who is going to go for it? I don't know, but who I know is not going for it. It's going to be lyra. She, because she can, of course, and and maybe maybe bailey does come out there and tries to do the thing, but then all that's going to mean is Lyra's going to cause Bayley to match, so that now Bayley and Lyra, as I originally stated, are going to be going at it while Becky goes on to do fuck off over here somewhere.
Speaker 1:I want y'all to also realize that we really appreciate women's wrestling so much because, out of every match that we've talked about, we've had the most like either not frustrations or passions about these women's matches, because it's like we hold women's wrestling so high, like. I want y'all to realize that Because, like, even when we talk about Jade and Tiffany, when we talk about fucking the tag match, we've all had a passionate moment to just be like we really want better for our women's product.
Speaker 2:Well, I mean it also goes to the fact that the matches were good. Yeah, they were good matches, solid matches.
Speaker 3:What would you give this one?
Speaker 2:I'd give it 3.5.
Speaker 1:Not 5.4. I want to give it 4 because of Valkyrie, because of Valkyrie's performance, outside of the fact that she couldn't rip the thing off the fire hydrant. If she would have did it like a badass boom, that would have been like uh, but obviously she went under the ring and had some ice snippet.
Speaker 2:That's obvious. When she did that moonsault because I know you said like when she did that moonsault because I know you said like wait, did it. It did slip out she put it back in.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's what I'm saying. Yeah, I told you it actually did.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I told you that. Yeah, I saw that shit Like. I know you were all like did it or did it not? I didn't say nothing because I was just going to let it go.
Speaker 1:But it definitely happened.
Speaker 2:I remember seeing oh, she was all like oh shit, fuck, fuck, fuck, bad camera angle oh, that was a lot of bad camera angles don't even get that. That's the podcast on itself. There's been a lot of bad camera angles this week in general.
Speaker 1:But you say, you say a 3.5.
Speaker 3:You I'll give it 3.5 okay.
Speaker 1:I want to give it a 4, mainly because of Valkyria's performance, but overall the match it was really fun and I felt like it deserves the 4 because it was fun. It was a fun match. They did do some really innovative shit, like chair spot where she was swinging her around and she was innovative stuff. Out of everybody in this that whole well, outside of the tlc, because you can't count that they got to do innovative shit no matter what, oh yeah. But out of the innovation of things that we've never seen used with chairs or used with this, they went outside the box. No, blood.
Speaker 1:Pops.
Speaker 3:No blood Ah, ah, blood, ah, as you still pull the advertising. A-e-w slander.
Speaker 2:I had to think of all the advertising.
Speaker 1:Slim Jim tables. Snap it to a Slim Jim table, baby. Hey look, actually the Slim Jim tables kind of make sense because Slim Jims do be looking like that and when you hit the table it snaps like a Slim Jim. That is actually smart, fucking advertisement To be fair, wrestlemania was the worst right. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. No, they have matches. We don't get minute-made matches now. We don't get the advertisement matches, as Mania did.
Speaker 2:I actually really think that they were happening. It was just that, unlike WrestleMania, the matches were relatively engrossing, where you didn't notice it.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you didn't notice it. Like the cone zone, fuck out of here with that shit. That shit was dumb, anyway. Next match, next match. Yeah.
Speaker 3:What Sankoa versus Foxy?
Speaker 1:oh yeah, that shit was that shit pissed me off, bro. What the fuck was the point you? Put a steel cage in there, normally steel cage matches, just like with CM Punk and, um uh, drew McIntyre. That ended the feud. This is not ending the feud, this is just transitioning it.
Speaker 2:I do feel that this match, oddly enough, was the weakest match of the night and, like Jacob, deserves better 100%. He just deserves. That's all I can really say is he just deserves better, and it's like. I think what makes it Like, what makes this kind of rough, is the fact that, number one, this is like a United States title match. Okay, and not enough respect has been put on the United States title to make me care, on a steel cage level, about how this match is going to go.
Speaker 1:The match setup wasn't great either. No it wasn't.
Speaker 2:Yeah, like Honestly the match setup is. It's very equivalent to like early Death Rider setup, whereas, like we have this faction, we have the numbers and sure you're strong and dominant, but Death Riders a lull.
Speaker 1:I feel, I feel like, also, I feel like, so you say it was an AEW match. I feel like, I feel like the way this match. I feel like if, with this match alone, I feel like this would have been perfect for the Golden Federation era or whatever. Like Vincent Mang on commentary, oh my god, he's going after the top of the cage.
Speaker 2:I don't even think commentary could have made it better it felt like it.
Speaker 1:it felt like Vince McMahon's commentary from back in the Federation years would have matched perfectly for this, Especially when he broke off the handcuffs and he jumps over. Like how you know, you would see like Hulk Hogan or some shit back in the day would do, oh my God, he's pulling it back in. You know what I'm saying? Like that's the Vince McMahon commentary.
Speaker 2:But the problem is, at least Hulk Hogan would have won.
Speaker 3:Damn. Well, I mean brother, yeah, this shit would have been SmackDown man.
Speaker 2:Which is crazy. Maybe main event Honestly take everything that happened here. Put this on SmackDown, it probably would have felt better.
Speaker 1:It would have felt justified. I put this off smackdown. I probably would have felt better. It would have felt justified. I give it 2.5. No, actually I would give it a two because I'm sitting here like okay, jimmy, you cannot handle all of these other members, so I was just hoping, like okay, are we getting a new member? Are we getting a returning member? Like something should have happened with the family to give us.
Speaker 3:I feel like that's what I'm saying when you say match return like someone should have been in a match that just came out of nowhere yeah, everything was like at the end of the match that is a very interesting bit with this being SummerSlam.
Speaker 2:There wasn't no like oh shit, this person like how we had that question on the last podcast from some story as far as, like you know who would be like if you could have someone show up, kind of thing Britt could have someone show up. Kind of thing Britt Baker didn't show up and no one Throughout the whole paper.
Speaker 1:Well, we're talking about in the middle of a match. Not like, but in the middle of a match.
Speaker 2:Which is yeah Well, I mean With what does happen at the end of the night. It still did fit that bill of the idea of like just somebody new coming so I technically brock.
Speaker 1:Ain't new though, but yeah, new enough.
Speaker 2:It was of the product they knew it was a new face or someone who hasn't been there and who was returning, which was a part of the original idea. So you know that's very funny and coincidental that you were the one that asked that question and out of all the things that happened in this pay-per-view, you were the one who got the most out of that question.
Speaker 1:Don't gas him up anymore. Listen, because you see how he's still hyped for that shit.
Speaker 2:Ain't that the next match to talk about?
Speaker 3:No, that's right. Next match.
Speaker 1:I thought was great. It was an Eddie Guerrero. It was an Eddie Guerrero paying homage to Eddie Guerrero Styles.
Speaker 2:Heat. See the problem. I will say that the only thing I got out of that match is yes, I really want that shirt. Styles. Heat is an absolute slapper piece of merchandise and you'll probably see me wearing it on the pod if it's for sale.
Speaker 1:It didn't look like. It was kind of like a sticker on it, low key.
Speaker 2:It's not on the shop as of right now. You haven't checked yet, it's not yet, but when Monday come around I'm going to be looking and if it's on the shop I'm going to be booking. So, but like solid match it was. This was a fun match and I think, for the spot that it was, it did exactly what it needed to do get us over and get us in the right space.
Speaker 1:nah the shoe. One was the shoe was. That was classic, eddie, yeah that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 3:All of it was classic. Eddie, all of it was yeah, which I still found it funny. It's like that was classic, eddie.
Speaker 1:Yes, I'm saying All of it was classic Eddie. All of it was yeah, which I still found it funny. It's like AJ. But if you did that and the referee saw it and said ring the bell.
Speaker 2:Yeah, there was a little bit of airheadedness in this, because if that would have been the case then, yes, he would have lost.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and it'd be like well, how did that work for you, buddy? He would have won, but the champion still would have been exactly. It's like good job there, buddy I'm not sure.
Speaker 2:I think it was you who said uh, that day, like dominic mysterio's fucking dominatrix mask, like no, that was me, yeah if you remember, remember pit fighter, remember the boss.
Speaker 1:You had to fight in pit, fight the end of it. He's a just win and he'll come up and pop up on screen. You had to fight in pit, fight. He's a just win and he'll come up and pop up on screen. You had to fight him at the end. That's what that mask reminded me of that's the mask that he'd be wearing it was definitely a three for what it was.
Speaker 2:It's a three, I mean for what I have, I give it a 2.5. Because it was For me it was forgettable. Very, it was. I mean, it was fun, but forgettable.
Speaker 1:I don't know that style shirt is not forgettable to your ass. I will Listen.
Speaker 2:If we're going off of drip here, yes, 10 out of 10.
Speaker 1:Yeah, he had the drip and the card. Would want to do it again and the card he came out with the low rider and everything.
Speaker 2:But I guess, as far as the moment goes, sure, low rider Styles heat, like with the Latino heat pants, like sure.
Speaker 3:His tights. That was great. I like that.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that was dope as shit. And then you have the match that literally ran on fired up. If you know what I'm talking about, you play 2K Games. These two motherfuckers was on fired up the whole match Because they had nothing but fucking specials. Had nothing but specials.
Speaker 2:However, I feel as if they were maybe a little eccentric at the very end, but relatively tastefully done.
Speaker 1:We're talking about john cena versus uh cody rose by.
Speaker 2:I feel as if the, though they did their finisher quite a bit at least the first couple that they did it didn't feel overused to a certain degree.
Speaker 1:Until it got to the end.
Speaker 3:It got there at the end. It was false finish after false finish.
Speaker 2:Once they started doing that piece then it started hurting a bit, but it was like at first at least they were selling him very good to a certain degree.
Speaker 3:You were waiting for that heel turn, the entire match.
Speaker 2:That was me Fam. If you watch SmackDown and you saw that whole exchange with John Cena and Cody Rhodes.
Speaker 1:You still got to watch that promo. You can see why. You can see why I did not watch the promo yet it was like it did not.
Speaker 2:It felt so, number one, it not just felt, it was completely out of nowhere. We've been going super hard trying to shove this heel turn down everyone's throats and it felt like when someone's, it almost felt like it was their way of saying like, hey guys, so this heel turn didn't work. It was supposed to be one way but it ended up being another way and I'll be honest, this isn't me and I'm sorry, my bad. And he's like. I hope you guys can forgive me. Cody Rose lit a fire under my ass and the real John Cena's back and all Cody Rose had to say was Forgive me. Cody Rhodes lit a fire under my ass and the real John Cena's back and all Cody Rhodes had to say was Welcome back, john Cena. They had a great American beer in the middle of the ring. John Cena's music played that. I didn't notice that.
Speaker 1:And he high fives all the kids on the way out.
Speaker 2:That's crazy and I'm sitting here like that's it, that that's how you're gonna sell me on this. You're, that's, that's really how you're gonna heal, that's how we're turning baby face, just like that. And, of course, the sheep that the crowd is.
Speaker 1:They're like oh, yay our hero is back john cena. Yay, look at these superman back.
Speaker 2:Super Superman has returned, our savior is here and I'm just like that easy. It just took a half a promo.
Speaker 1:A half a promo and what gets me to take back everything he's been saying and doing everything from the kick in the nuts- To take back everything he's been saying and doing, everything From the kick in the nuts, the breaking up with the audience.
Speaker 2:The breaking up, the I'm going to ruin wrestling John Cena pipe bomb To hey, this heel turn didn't work. I'm sorry, can you guys please forgive me? Can I be regular John Cena?
Speaker 1:Hey, I'm not trying to ruin wrestling guys. I love wrestling that part.
Speaker 3:It was like bro, I do like the high Matt Cardona.
Speaker 1:High. It was high Matt Cardona, high Claudia Casioli. Yeah.
Speaker 3:That killed me. I like Cardona's response to that.
Speaker 1:Hi, john Cena that shit was funny. But overall with this match I was wondering why the whole time was the stage have this square cut in it, only to find out it was just for this spot for Cena to carry up Cody on his shoulder. I was like that's the reason, the one reason you have this whole cut in the state, because nobody else used it.
Speaker 3:That was the only fucking reason at one point rio was gonna shoot this, because how she?
Speaker 1:yeah, when she stepped on it.
Speaker 3:Yeah, yeah, yeah herself right on that yeah, I.
Speaker 1:I was like is Ray here?
Speaker 2:It was. Ray must have. His knees are not well for that.
Speaker 1:As much as I wish. Are you saying he's going to tear both quads, st Lance, how about?
Speaker 3:that throwback to Umaga and John Cena.
Speaker 2:With the rope and the.
Speaker 1:With the rope and the oh, yeah, yeah yeah. I was confused for a second. I was like the fuck that's how.
Speaker 3:That's how John Cena beat Umaga. That's the only way he could beat.
Speaker 1:Umaga, wait. So you're telling me this match was kind of like a rundown of like all of Cena's big moments because, like you said before, it really was tossing the stairs, fighting in the audience which, by the way, cena had a point where Cody was like I'm going to take this trash can and throw it at Cena.
Speaker 2:Nope, yeah, Josh, Almost like. That made me think about just now. Just made me think about like no mercy. Oh, when you reverse, Like if you reverse, Because if you throw the weapon and you like freaking, he completely no mercy. And especially if it was the, the chairs or like the bells well, no more. So the the NPC, oh yeah, like if it was, if it was an NPC, and it was like and it was a disqualification match and you grabbed the weapon type situation if you throw it at them and they catch it.
Speaker 1:They catch and they put it back, they just throw it back them and they catch it, they catch and they put it back, they just disappear and they don't use it yeah, well, it was wrestlemania 2000 when it disappeared, but yeah but that's what it just.
Speaker 2:You said. That just made me think about that. I'm not using that. And then I mean as far as the match goes, I think, do I want to say that?
Speaker 1:I want to say it's a three. I'm going to say it's a three.
Speaker 2:As far as the matches that we've had for John Cena, this is the best one.
Speaker 1:You're talking about the end run.
Speaker 3:Yes, there's a lot of clean finishes these last two nights.
Speaker 1:We already mentioned that earlier. There's a lot of clean finishes.
Speaker 2:No, I mean this one can. This matchup, however, could only be so clean because it was a street fight.
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Now, the other thing that I did feel a little weird about is the fact, like you know, like the fact that Cody Rhodes playing up this whole thing of like this is a street fight and I'm using the turnbuckle, but I don't know if I want to use it to beat you with, and it's like cody rose brother that conscious thing was yeah, no.
Speaker 1:That thing was like is he about to turn heel?
Speaker 2:but it's like how, how do you turn heel using weapons in a match? That is no disqualification street fight that.
Speaker 1:That's why I was confused. It's like because he kept doing this whole conscious shit and it's like, was he like I gotta flip the script and it got to the point where I'm like everyone's like starting to boo him.
Speaker 2:I'm like, yes, boo him, Just fucking hit the Hit him.
Speaker 1:Yeah, no, what was? What game? Uh, Wrestlemania, WrestleMania, the arcade Hit him.
Speaker 3:WrestleMania the RK pin him, pin him, whatever you the match goes to.
Speaker 2:John Cena, god damn round two have an ass but like outside of that piece, of outside of that bit, this has been John Cena's best match since he's come back his punk match is alright.
Speaker 1:I mean no, we're talking about just in general like his final run, well, no, that's what I'm getting at.
Speaker 3:His punk was not a bad match.
Speaker 1:It's alright definitely wasn't money in the bank.
Speaker 2:No, well, I mean, yeah, I think his Money in the Bank. No, well, I mean, yeah, I think his Money in the Bank match. John Cena's Money in the Bank match is probably the worst one in my opinion.
Speaker 1:No, I'm talking about when he went against CM Punk at Money in the Bank for the belt.
Speaker 2:Oh, that match. Okay, I thought you was talking about when John Cena's match that happened at that money in the bank. Ooh, that was dumb, with Cody and fucking Logan Paul. Dumb, yeah, dumb, which is funny because I feel as if that, with Brock Lesnar here, I don't think they're going to revisit this Logan Paul shoot.
Speaker 3:No.
Speaker 2:Like that, wait, what Well. So, as we all now know, continuing on after the match ended and Cody Rhodes becomes our champion once again, removing it from the clutches of John Cena the piece that puts the cherry on top of like, wow, so Smackdown really. Was them selling me on the fact that John Cena is a babyface again? Because the one return that happens throughout this whole two night fiasco is Brock Lesnar, something that was not on probably anyone's bingo card, especially with the things that are happening right now my for some reason.
Speaker 3:I don't know why like.
Speaker 2:It still blows my mind the fact that you're all like. I mean Brock Lesnar. It's like why would it be Brock Lesnar? You, deadass, kept saying that shit too.
Speaker 3:Why would it be?
Speaker 2:Brock Lesnar. It doesn't. I say it. At the time I said it doesn't make sense for it to be Brock Lesnar I literally like that. And then after it be Brock Lesnar, I literally like that. And then after it becomes Brock Lesnar in my mind now, huh, I guess it does make sense, Because John Cena is a babyface now.
Speaker 1:And we need Superman to take on the beast himself, but now that he has no Paul Heyman, though, I wonder how these promos are going to be.
Speaker 3:I hope they cross pass him Well.
Speaker 1:I mean Because he was his mouthpiece back in the day.
Speaker 2:Well, here's the thing. They don't have to be. You know why? Because John Cena is a babyface.
Speaker 1:Now, no, I'm talking about Because while Brock can cut a promo, he cannot cut a promo to go against Cena.
Speaker 2:Well, he doesn't have to. He is the beast incarnate. He just picks niggas up and drop them back down.
Speaker 1:Well, yeah, but Suplex City bitch, he's not that nigga, no more he's, I don't know. Okay.
Speaker 3:Did you not see the form he was in tonight?
Speaker 1:I mean no, what I'm saying is he's in a different era of himself now.
Speaker 2:Brother Suplex City. Bitch will always be Suplex City bitch.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I really hate it when somebody actually turned Rack City into Suplex City, bitch, it is what it is, brother, that shit was like what the fuck, it's the thing. Listen, when John Cena comes out there on Friday night and he Technically he's not a SmackDown wrestler he can come out Monday or Friday.
Speaker 2:Now what should happen is that he comes out on Monday, but considering Maybe they might do the thing where he's going to come out on Monday and they'll save Cody Rhodes, since that is the belt.
Speaker 1:Cody Rhodes is technically on SmackDown now because he has the belt.
Speaker 2:Yeah, but however, whichever night it be, john Cena's going to come out there. He's going to further push the good guy agenda, because he's a good guy now.
Speaker 1:He's running with Stu again. He's running with Stu again.
Speaker 2:He's running with Stu again. There you go. John Cena's a good guy. He's going to say all of his good guy things. He's going to do the John Cena schtick, brapple dough, salute, toss the hats. Time is up. Time is now. All of that stuff. He's going to say the John Cena stuff. He's going to save the John Cena stuff. He's going to accept the fact that he's going to fight Brock Lesnar.
Speaker 1:Brock Lesnar Hold up, hold up. I could rub both of my niggas at the same time, bro, anyway, so.
Speaker 2:Brock Lesnar's going to come out there. He's probably going to save very little and he's going to break john cena, suplexes the whole nine and maybe, just maybe, john cena might look like he's going to give him a, but no, it's going to be an f5 and then brock lesnar is going to play out and obviously brock lesnar, john cena going to be fighting.
Speaker 1:now, when they're going to fight is the question Survivor Series, because he has to survive.
Speaker 2:Brock, I mean all right, sure.
Speaker 1:Most likely, though, Because he could be like yo. He says I understand you got these 10 dates left, or whatever, but after I'm done with you you ain't going to have none left Like, so you got to survive me Now.
Speaker 2:It makes me wonder if Brock Lesnar is going to be his next challenge.
Speaker 1:How is John Cena going to finish out, is my question Because, again, I think he only has 10 days left. He only has 10 days left.
Speaker 2:His next match is obviously going to be Brock Lesnar. That's going to be the next big one, and so, after that next big one, that has to be who is the next?
Speaker 1:bad guy. Wait, I forgot, because he's supposed to be all the way till December too. Yes, and we're still in fucking August.
Speaker 2:That's why I'm saying Survivor Series is in November. He's gonna.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, so maybe he might not. He might show up once a month maybe Maybe two times, okay, hold on so. So maybe he might show up once a month, maybe Maybe two times, okay, hold on so, maybe, okay, he'll show up, maybe on Raw. That's one and then another, unless they're going to do it in Paris.
Speaker 1:I doubt that that's a Survivor Series match. I agree Because it should be like okay, so Cena goes away for a little bit, heals his wounds, and then maybe Brock is doing something, and then Cena comes back for the save.
Speaker 3:Then who would Brock be caring about?
Speaker 2:Well, yeah, what is Brock going to do in the meantime? Well, he's going to have his shtick where he's just going to pull a fucking Paul Bearer and Kane and just come out at random matches in fucking Suplex City in F5, motherfuckers you mean, like Austin used to be stuttering people randomly.
Speaker 3:He used to have fights to everyone. I wouldn't mind seeing that, but but it's like Dick hard. Does he go after Gunther?
Speaker 1:No, what? No, it wouldn't make. Gunther ain't got no belt, it wouldn't make sense.
Speaker 2:There ain't shit for him. Yes, it would be. Wouldn't make sense. There ain't shit for him in hell. Yes, it would be, but it's like ain't shit for him.
Speaker 1:on that light you have a point where it wouldn't make sense. But because these are both part-timers, what they'll probably do constantly, just like how the heel turn happened, and Cena doesn't show up on TV for maybe two weeks and they keep talking about it constantly and showing the replay over and over and over again, and then maybe two weeks later he finally comes out to address what happened.
Speaker 3:Or does Brock sideline him for like a month or two?
Speaker 1:Oh, like, come out, come out and face me, okay.
Speaker 3:And then we get the return of Cena, with an epic showdown between him and the Beast.
Speaker 2:See, that's actually what I was about to say. The whole thing, like John Cena comes out and then like Brock Lesnar actually just fucking almost ends him, just buries him, and then it's like you know, like beats him to the point where we're like almost carting his ass down a stretcher.
Speaker 1:I was more so thinking the opposite, like if Cena kept like yo, come out here, face me. And then Brock, just like, I got what I wanted, I fucked with you for a second. And then Cena keeps telling him yo, come out here and face me, ain't worth my time, bro.
Speaker 3:So we're going to do the Undertaker thing all over again for.
Speaker 1:WrestleMania oh, like for Shawn Michaels and him no.
Speaker 3:No, it was Shawn Michaels and Taker.
Speaker 1:Oh, hmm, I didn't even think about that one for a second. That's literally what they did for that.
Speaker 2:I'm not even going to think about that, just for John Cena to come out there and Taker finally comes out and fucking steamrolls him Exactly Okay.
Speaker 1:So if you're also going to put that into a situation, who do y'all think will be Cena's last match?
Speaker 2:And that's the question. That was the question I would say what's happening after this Brock Lesnar thing? Because it's like Worthy of being the last match this team, Especially with no belts on the line.
Speaker 1:That's actually a question for the audience. I want to hear as well who do you think is Cena's last match? Who do you think is worthy enough to take out the GOAT? The final boss, nigga. I feel like if that happened, then the once in a lifetime, the twice in a lifetime and the three times in a lifetime.
Speaker 2:I personally want it to happen to shit on those the second people in a life, because I was there for the first time in a lifetime alright, I was there for the first one and then I was like damn, I saw some crazy history, just for them to immediately be like, hey, we're going to do it again next year. I'm like man, what is this?
Speaker 3:But at this point. That would be good though.
Speaker 2:For the Rock to end his.
Speaker 3:No, never said CM's going to lose, but it would also circle back to the whole I want your soul, shit. They could somehow clean that up. The?
Speaker 1:Rock is not coming back.
Speaker 3:But they could clean that up a little bit with Cena and the Rock.
Speaker 2:I mean only because you have not watched and heard the original promo that John Cena cut. He addresses the fact that he, the way he kind of said it in a promo, he almost said in a way, where it's like he did this because he thought he would have help throughout this and then he ended up doing this all alone.
Speaker 2:Yeah, he dead ass did say that shit okay, and and so, with what you said, there is a premise for that, which is why, and then, on top of that, jossie and the Rock are one and one. Okay, wait. So you're saying, are you saying?
Speaker 1:are you saying it's going to be kind of like the Stone Cold situation, where Stone Cold kept beating the Rock every WrestleMania and then the Rock actually ends Stone Cold's career in his last match?
Speaker 2:No, I am more so saying regardless of a win or lose, which of course it would more so be John Cena winning. But my take is there is merit for the match because the first time they fought the Rock won the unnecessary. Second time they fought the Rock won the unnecessary. Second time they fought John Cena won. And usually when you have a one and one, you gotta break the fucking tie.
Speaker 1:You do that's just how that works, but I don't think the Rock cares.
Speaker 3:But with those, yeah, but he is on the board to the KBO, that's what I'm saying and he's gonna make his shit go his way listen.
Speaker 2:That would also give him a hell of a rating no, I think he's caring too much about his movie career yes, it's one of those things where, unless cause like for John Cena, when you look at the list of people who John Cena could face who are active wrestlers, it's like it wouldn't. There's no one who he'd be able to. There's no one that makes sense outside of Brock Lesnar, because, honestly, after tonight, because John Cena lost, it really makes no sense for John Cena fighting anybody else, unless we're going to get a Cody and Cena three because they are actually one-one. But at that point it's like. But why Like? Why We've done this twice now, kind of thing.
Speaker 3:And that story now at this point burned out with that.
Speaker 2:It's burned out because John Cena's good now. Now, unless we was that original crazy thought we had, where it's like Cody goes heel, cody goes heel, and then the Rock comes out with him, then maybe, but that didn't happen.
Speaker 1:That would have been like a crazy moment if that happened tonight. I think that would have topped the I don't want to say anything kind of tops the self shit, but that definitely would have topped anything kind of tops the Seth shit, but they definitely would have topped the Seth shit.
Speaker 2:Oh, it would have topped the Listen by some crazy margin. The Rock came out here and then Cody Rose turned babyface today. Or would it turn heel tonight? Tonight, I think that would have beat John Cena's heel turn personally.
Speaker 1:I mean you're not lying at this point.
Speaker 3:Cody Rhodes is the people's champion.
Speaker 1:You're not lying. Yo yo, yo yo. What if the Rock gives him that moniker too? What being the people's champion calling? Being the people's champion Calling Cody?
Speaker 2:Rose, the people's champion, Ha ha ha ha. Does he give?
Speaker 3:him the fake belt too Fuck.
Speaker 2:Cody Rose already has the belt.
Speaker 1:No, the Rock's dumbass belt, muhammad Ali belt.
Speaker 2:Oh, just because.
Speaker 1:Yeah, which was the Brahma Bull belt, which has been in wrestling games like forever and everything which is crazy. That was what it ended up being yeah, it was literally that and I was like, bro, you've never actually seen that belt, ever seen in like any situation.
Speaker 2:It was a fake belt and then somehow it ended up becoming a real one, yeah.
Speaker 1:So overall for the match, you guys give it around a 3, solid 3.
Speaker 2:I'll give it a 3.5 when you give it bell to bell honestly, I'll give it a 4 for what we got only because of the multiple fucking specials and like that's what makes it a 3.5 for me.
Speaker 1:I understand that completely.
Speaker 2:Yeah, like it makes it a 3.5 makes it a 3, that makes it a 3.5 and then, but in the whole Brock Lesnar piece is what keeps it in a good standing yeah, like, okay, I want to say like it could have made it a four.
Speaker 1:I got a 3.7.
Speaker 2:You know what I'm saying. I got a 3.
Speaker 3:Like it should have been a four but like I think that half star right there. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm dead the little bit of the star is missing. No it gives you a corner of the star. Now I'm dead.
Speaker 1:No, it gives you a corner of the star now, so you get half and the other, oh, there's still like a whole piece, like a piece of the star right here.
Speaker 3:Yeah, yeah, yeah, oh, man so.
Speaker 1:SummerSlam as a PLE. What would you rate it star rating-wise?
Speaker 2:As a PLE? What would you rate it star rating-wise? As a PLE, it is a. It became a solid three. If we're giving it the Sonic rating, as we would, it is a. It should have been a. B it should have been a.
Speaker 3:B.
Speaker 2:It should have been a B. It should have been a B. But there are just certain things that, like y'all could have done better, or maybe just didn't put it in.
Speaker 1:I will say, this was the car, this was the PLE where you weren't excited for shit. This was the car, this was the ple where you weren't excited for shit, but it the excitement came about. When you're like, as hunter said it when he was on the scrum, did we deliver? I mean, yeah, you did, but like you didn't, you didn't sell me on this, this ple, like I wasn't like man, I can't wait.
Speaker 2:It was the traditional side of you as a wrestling fan to be like, well, we gotta watch the ple exactly and I think which we definitely have to have a conversation about it on another podcast and that's the fact that I think, across the board, right now, tna excluded, but across the board, we're not doing a good job building to these PLEs and pay-per-views right now. Now, when we get to them, mostly they're great.
Speaker 2:That's just because of the wrestling and yes, it's because of the wrestling, not because of the story going into it. It's just they deliver on the wrestling piece, which I guess is great, but at the same time we're going to watch it because we're wrestling fake.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's kind of like our tradition now, just like anybody has a discipline or whatever you every pay-per-view you're going to watch the pay-per-view. You may not have watched Raw and SmackDown and everything, but you know when that PLE comes out. That is what you brought us here for. This is the thing you were trying to sell us and we're here now. Sell me what you're trying to sell me.
Speaker 2:And they haven't been selling right Nope, and that's across the board, yeah, unfortunately. Well, that is a. I am like listen, t, t and a. They are on their redemption arc hard as fuck right now and they are, they're trying, they are doing their best, they're gonna get that tv deal. I will agree and I and I'm I'm starting.
Speaker 1:It's because of wwe I'm.
Speaker 2:I'm feeling the what uh, what uh uh, because I talked about earlier WWE. I'm feeling what, because I talked about it earlier off camera. I'm feeling what Eric Bischoff was saying when they get that TV deal AEW in trouble Because they ain't going to be number two, no more.
Speaker 3:Yeah, 100%, no, no.
Speaker 1:I will also agree that Pee-lee is a three and, uh, as much as you may not have said, the Seth Rollins part, I liked it. I like how they did it. Brock was definitely when you was popping the fuck off. I'm in the kitchen eating a wing like nigga. They did it, nigga, we made it. You know what I'm saying. I was just. I was definitely dumbfounded.
Speaker 3:Y'all hear Brock Lesnar shit. Listen, and then 20 seconds later we hear it.
Speaker 2:I, uh, I. It's been a minute since I I have not instantly eaten shit like that.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah, you that was crazy, bro, because I mean, we were literally talking about it.
Speaker 2:I'm like ain't, no way, that doesn't make any sense. Mid-sentence, mid-sentence, saying all of this, and then it happens and I'm looking at him literally like this I'm like, eh, and I reload yeah like.
Speaker 1:I'm out here looking like Triple A Swag. Was like Swag was a little dumbfounded, I ain't gonna lie. Was like Swag was a little dumbfounded, I ain't gonna lie, he was Nick.
Speaker 2:And I had to eat it. I guess Pause, Pause.
Speaker 1:Brock Lesnar, oh man.
Speaker 2:Brock Lesnar's here, boys.
Speaker 1:So one of the things I brought up to Swag and I even brought up the story I am extremely tired of these fucking stages not being stages anymore, they're just fucking screens. Okay, and that was the original premise of our next episode and we're gonna continue that. So in the next episode, like Smackdown Fist or what was it?
Speaker 3:No Mercy, oh the no Mercy.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:No Backlash.
Speaker 1:Backlash.
Speaker 2:Or the burning A's for Armageddon.
Speaker 1:Yeah, like it was staged, bro, like there's no stage anymore yeah.
Speaker 1:Nothing is staged anymore, so we're gonna continue bringing that back for the next episode. But now I also wanna include another future episode, because I introduced both of you to this and you have done a deep dive on it. We've been talking about talking, we've been wanting to talk about New Japan shit for a while and swag accidentally got into a deep dive of a iceberg of all the dark things that's happened in New Japan and I introduced them both to Super Fire Pro Wrestling and the dark shit that is that game, and I want to give them a chance to watch it again and let's just fucking talk about it.
Speaker 3:New Japan though.
Speaker 2:I don't know enough about New Japan, but I have. I have decided that I'm going to. I don't know much New Japan, but I'm going. I want to get to know New Japan, and the reason why I'm wanting to get to know New Japan and the reason why I'm wanting to get to know New Japan is, for all intents and purposes, to find out why AEW isn't fucking working. Because, as people like to say, that AEW is supposed to be like the American New Japan and people used to really like New Japan, and so I'm trying to find out what was it about New Japan? Because it's like, with the way that they work, you know New Japan, they're not necessarily super story-driven kind of thing.
Speaker 1:I truly feel like they don't have really any good stars. Like when you look at what New Japan? Yeah, when you look at New Japan from like 2000. I think it was like 15 going on whenever Kenny was there. You had Okada, you had Naito, you had President President, now President, Fucking President of New Japan. Ace, Ace, yup, you had Ace. You had the Bullet Club, which was actually cool.
Speaker 3:Cool because you had Debit, which was actually cool yeah, but that's 2015.
Speaker 1:Devitt was fame, was definitely at NXT in 2015, but, um, what I'm saying still, I think it was AJ was the leader of Bullet Club at that point, but, either way, bullet Club was cool. Okay, um, murder Grandpa AJ was the leader of Bullet Club at that point, but, either way, bullet Club was cool. Okay, murder Grandpa is still there, but he's one of those characters who's always going to be cool. They had a lot of people that made you want to watch the product. There's nobody to me that makes me want to watch the product right now. Zack Sabre Jr is their fucking champion again. And everybody says Zack Sabre Jr is their fucking champion again. And everybody says Zack Sabre Jr matches are not that great, even though I think they're pretty good, but they don't like his matches. So it's like they don't have any stars and then AEW kept taking their stars.
Speaker 3:But the Japanese, though they're not huge fans of wrestling.
Speaker 1:Bullshit. They gave Zack Sabre Jr the fucking belt.
Speaker 3:Yeah, but he's still not getting over with that.
Speaker 1:He's not. But what I'm saying is if you don't like technical wrestling, why would you put your belt on the most fucking technical wrestler that you have in your roster? Who else are they going to give it to at this point? That's what I'm saying. You ain't got no fucking stars.
Speaker 2:So what you're telling me is that you have.
Speaker 3:Evil and a few others, but that's just.
Speaker 1:Evil didn't have a good run with them.
Speaker 3:They're all infighting with themselves and Bullet Club.
Speaker 1:No.
Speaker 3:Nothing anymore.
Speaker 1:Gabe Kidd. Gabe Kidd's there, but he's too busy in AEW.
Speaker 3:David Finley is I'm sorry, it's a joke about me. Fuck, yes.
Speaker 1:Oh my god, fuck, yes, and him getting a clean win on Brody King. Fuck you, bro, he got a clean win on Brody. King, fuck that, fuck that.
Speaker 2:I feel like what it sounds like to me is that New Japan is going through their WWF New Generation era right now.
Speaker 1:Yeah, they're trying to find their new stars.
Speaker 2:When they put the belt on Bret Hart and Diesel and they was getting the worst ratings they've ever seen in their life. Almost went out of business.
Speaker 1:Swag also never saw Diesel versus Mabel and he should be thankful for that. I remember watching that a lot. You should be very thankful of not watching that match. I'm going to tell you that right now. But we're going to tell you that right now. But we're going to end it off with this Next episode. We're finally going to talk about these stages. We're going to also talk about some New Japan shit, but this is another episode of the Big Brothers of Destruction podcast. I want to thank Story for joining us again Always a pleasure. Last time the camera issue Kind of fucked shit up. Now we can see him that. Yeah, last time we had a camera issue, but we're here. But Also thanks Swag For coming by as well, because it's our first time Actually doing a A group setting too. But we will be back next time. Where the questions are crazy, the ring is sacred, but it's always destruction. I know I fucked that up, but anyway it's.
Speaker 2:Tommaso Cuth, it's your boy. Swag Switcher in the building.
Speaker 1:Story of Sorrow, and we are out Till next time.