The Art of the Promo

What separates a good wrestling match from an unforgettable one? Often, it's not the physical spectacle but the verbal confrontation that precedes it. In this deep-dive episode, we explore the artistic heart of professional wrestling – the promo.

From Jake "The Snake" Roberts' psychological masterpiece against Ultimate Warrior to Samoa Joe's menacing threats to AJ Styles' family, we examine how wrestling's greatest verbal artists create anticipation that no aerial maneuver could match. These moments don't just hype matches; they create emotional stakes that transform athletic exhibitions into can't-miss dramatic conclusions.

We contrast this with today's wrestling landscape, where technically impressive matches often lack compelling narratives. AEW's attempt to blend multiple wrestling styles creates confusion rather than cohesion, while WWE's reliance on non-finish matches frustrates rather than builds anticipation. The comparison reveals a troubling pattern – modern fans have grown accustomed to mediocrity after years of excellence, mistaking slightly improved product for genuine quality.

The conversation extends to character development through promos, examining how performers like Mick Foley created distinct personas through verbal artistry. When Mankind transformed into Cactus Jack before facing Triple H, no physical action was needed to communicate the heightened danger – the promo told the entire story.

Whether you're a longtime wrestling fan or new to the art form, this episode illuminates why the most memorable moments in wrestling history often happen before the bell rings. Join us next week as we evaluate the current state of professional wrestling and propose solutions to restore compelling storytelling to the forefront of the industry.

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Chapters

• 0:00 Introduction to Wrestling Promos
• 4:46 The State of Current Wrestling Shows
• 8:15 AEW Booking Issues and MJF's Contract
• 17:01 WWE's Problematic Match Finishes
• 26:57 Karrion Kross Discussion and Potential
• 45:57 What Makes a Great Wrestling Promo
• 58:39 Samoa Joe: The Masterful Mic Worker
• 1:10:01 Character Development and Wrestling Personas
• 1:24:50 Memorable Promos That Changed Wrestling
• 1:52:17 Final Thoughts on Wrestling's Future

Transcript

Speaker 1: 0:09

Welcome to another episode of the Big Brothers of Destruction podcast. It's the Masako.

Speaker 2: 0:15

It's your boy. I'm sorry your boy, black Switz, in the building. I didn't have one of these last, I know.

Speaker 1: 0:23

Now you got to work with it, so now you got to see my pain. So, guys, we're back with another episode. Last week we kind of talked about, you know, some of the major moments that kind of built up from just wrestling in general, like the wild week of wrestling. But this week we kind of want to boil down to the promos, the things that kind of get us going, the thing that sells us the most. Because I think last week we're going on a stage, we're going over the stages.

Speaker 2: 0:53

Yeah, we was talking about the stages last week, the different titantrons as they say Titantrons and things of that nature.

Speaker 1: 1:02

And now this week we're going to go over the promos, the things that actually build us up and bring us to wanting to watch these matches. So, first and foremost, thank you guys for watching us on YouTube, if you are, thank you for, as always, keeping up tuned with us. Make sure you like that or don't chokeslam that like button tombstone the subscribe button and let's get into the wacky world of wrestling that www swag switches. So what do you got for us this week?

Speaker 2: 1:30

well, also to add to that uh, please follow, follow the twitter account. Oh yeah, because, uh, facebook, I've been trying to get better at using twitter. I'm trying to be and I do mean I'm trying social, to be more active on twitter, mostly just because wrestling has not been making it easy to do that. No, wrestling fam. What was this week, bro? Did you watch smackdown?

Speaker 1: 2:04

Yeah, I did, yeah, yeah. Yeah, I'm trying to think of the other stuff with Collision and everything. Just period. Yeah yeah, I mean this week of wrestling has another filler episode. I really feel so.

Speaker 2: 2:18

I didn't even watch SmackDown.

Speaker 2: 2:21

When I was on Twitter last night, while I was watching probably what was the only shining light this week, which was Triplevania, was like Very interesting.

Speaker 2: 2:40

Let me put it this way, everyone was saying how bad and how boring SmackDown was, to the point where I was all like, guess, I'll watch Collision instead, which spoiler alert wasn't any better. I will say it's like Collision does this weird thing where it's like they'll have things in there that are actually kind of cool and exciting, like they'll have some interesting backstage antics that would happen, but it's like it's so outside of those, like everything is so out of place. Everything is extremely out of place with Collision, like going into Dynamite, right, the first thing I just want to note Dynamite felt like someone had taken all the ideas that they wanted in Dynamite. They put them on a table, mixed it up and then told a kid hey, I want you to put all of these in line with each other and tell me how you want it, and that's how we're going to do the show. And some child just decided to put all the pieces in line and be like boom, and that was.

Speaker 1: 4:08

Dynamite. I mean, we kind of had that conversation the other week before. It was, like you know, putting Swerve and Okada in a match. I'm like who thought that was a good idea? I want to say who thought that was a good idea? Because I mean like it could be an amazing match, but like it's going to be a good match that no one cares about.

Speaker 1: 4:25

Yeah, and that's kind of why I felt like with Dynamite 2, a lot of matches that were just like, okay, I mean Darby Allin's still going after Jon Moxley, they're still trying to build up that story and everything.

Speaker 2: 4:40

So looking at my notes right, I'm talking literally. Dynamite was just weird and just off-kilter from start to finish. So, going into it, MJF and Hangman out of page. They've been doing this whole thing where Hangman is the champion and MJF is all like hey, you're going to challenge me for a title, and hangman's like no, no, I'm not. You have that contract. If you want to fight me, sign that contract and we'll do it. Mjf is all like no, you're gonna fight me and I'm not going to use the contract.

Speaker 2: 5:28

And this has been going on and on and on and on freaking. You know they had, uh, the Briscoe brother. You know fighting, going on fighting MJF. And you know hangman ad pages all like yo, like this match you're about to have with, like MJF, like you know, if you pull out a win on this, you know Hangman out of page is all like yo, like this match you're about to have with, like MJF, like you know, if you pull out a win on this, you know maybe there might be a title shot in your future.

Speaker 2: 5:53

He loses, yeah. And then it's like it's like he loses. And then MJF is all like see, I'm not a coward, I beat him and all this other stuff and Hangman's all like sure you beat him, but like you have a contract, just sign the contract and we'll have a match. And then come tonight on AEW. It's like they get into the ring and it's like MJF is talking to shit the Higgins all like you know, like it's funny because like that conversation escalated extremely fast are you talking about the one in the ring or you talking about what happened backstage?

Speaker 2: 6:37

the one in the ring. Okay, because it's like. Mjf comes out there, he's talking to shit the Higgins, all like all right listen, gets all in his face. He.

Speaker 1: 6:44

He's like if you want to fight me, sign that contract, If you're not a coward blah-blah-blah pussy, blah-blah-blah this and that, and he's like you want me to fight, you want me to fight and then he's all like all hyped and mad and then uh, hey man, so it's like you're on dumbass yeah, basically he, he wanted to him to have a match against him without having to use the contract, and then, basically, you uttering the words that you will use the contract apparently means that it's like how, with money in the bank, you have to go in the ring and the referee has to take the briefcase and say it's a match.

Speaker 2: 7:28

But for this, though, apparently, you don't have to do that, you just have to speak the words, and I'm like oh, I didn't know, that was a thing I see, well, see, that's also the other thing, because which I'm like, because mjf said that he's going to sign the contract and they're going to have the match type thing, and I'm like this is going to be stupid if they try to fix it where, you know, he only said he was, but he doesn't actually sign the contract and somehow that has now goaded him to now having this match with Hangman.

Speaker 2: 8:01

I don't know, I feel as if and I really hope that they don't, but I feel like they're going to try and spin it that way. However it may be, it just felt weird. It just felt just like, oh, is he going to get Hangman to do it? Is he going to get Hangman to do it? Is he going to make Hangman challenge him because Hangman is so mad at MJF? And then this happens and it's like, oh, no, no, actually he's just going to sign the contract and they're going to fight a forbidden door. Oh, okay cool, whatever.

Speaker 1: 8:33

Yeah, that was kind of stupid to me because one of the things I found out apparently him uttering that he was going to I forgot what the word he specifically says. I was like wait, so that means you have to do it now. Like normally you give it to the ref and that calls for the match to happen, but like I guess it's not the same rules as the money in the bank. And then the whole like oh, he had the whole, I did something stupid face like you effed up, you effed up.

Speaker 1: 8:57

And it was like I mean, but that's MJF. There's going to be a plot later on where he was like oh, this was the plan, blah, blah, blah, because that's MJF's character. So like, yeah, he does bumbling dumb shit like that, but it's normally in the greater good of his plan.

Speaker 2: 9:14

But the question is but then it's like then what's this plan?

Speaker 1: 9:19

I have a feeling and this is just a theory, and you know the whole Hurt Syndicate thing dropping him out lowers people guard. I think MJF's by himself.

Speaker 2: 9:32

And the next thing, you know, they come out there and help him. So I thought about that and you know it could be like it's it's. It's something that was in the back of my mind too. However, most of the universe is thinking that MJF is going to screw over the Hertz Syndicate by helping FTR, who everyone knows is going to beat Brodito, who everyone knows is going to beat Brodito.

Speaker 1: 10:12

And he's going to help FTR win to beat the Hurt Syndicate. So and that's funny, you say that too, because apparently there's a lot of heat backstage with MVP and they're like, hey, we need somebody to drop the belts to. And the Hurt Syndicate's like, no, we don't want to drop the belts to these guys, these guys, these guys, these guys. So they're like, basically, we've destroyed and wrecked through the entire roster. We have to find a formidable team that can take the belts from you.

Speaker 2: 10:37

And apparently FTR is the only ones. They said yeah, allegedly, yeah, allegedly. There's that whole thing that's apparently been going on. But and then they went on to talk about how, like who they would drop their belts to and the people who they said they dropped their belts to they've already beaten and buried them which, speaking of beating and burying jet speed has been being made an absolute mockery of in AEW.

Speaker 2: 11:08

It is embarrassing. Jon Moxley has beaten them both and I feel as if a homie who he fought out of AEW got the worst of it because he, like Gator Roll, choked him out in the middle of the ring Clean.

Speaker 1: 11:26

Oh yeah, yeah, but that was okay that match.

Speaker 2: 11:30

While that situation was stupid, the match was good at this point in the game, the match being good means absolutely nothing. I know, which I feel is a conversation that the match being good means absolutely nothing. I know, I know, which I feel is a conversation that needs to be had for another time. Only because, since I know and I was actually talking with someone about this last night but because I know that you are a lot more inclined on New Japan than what I am, yeah, and since AEW was originally looked at as this New Japan, that's what Tony Khan wants to make it Correct.

Speaker 1: 12:17

Nobody's really technically said that, but yeah, I get what you mean.

Speaker 2: 12:20

But like if that's what Tony Khan wanted it to be. I had a conversation the other night and we were kind of talking about it and amidst that talk I was explaining the fact that, though that's what Tony Khan wants it to be at this point and I don't know why he does not see it it can never happen. No, it can never happen because, for all intents and purposes, the New Japan formula in itself right now and New Japan is barely working. Once upon a time, japan worked right, and I know that you said that they kind of had storylines back then but they're they're not so much the, I would say, new japan storylines are almost the equivalent of ufc storylines, where it's more so like these two people are going to fight, they're promoting the fight.

Speaker 2: 13:28

One is saying I'm going to beat you, the other one is saying you could never beat me. And then they have a big epic New Japan battle in a big epic New Japan arena, and then New Japan shit ensues Outside of that Bullet Club is just hey, hey, we're a bunch of white people or Americans mostly white Americans and we're gonna go over to your Japanese promotion and we're gonna take it over and we're gonna beat up all of your people. And then the Japanese promotion's like no, you're not. And then, to this day, that's what Bullet Club continues to do. It literally is that's not a storyline.

Speaker 2: 14:10

That's just. That's just lore.

Speaker 1: 14:13

Just lore. That's world building technically. That's just world building.

Speaker 2: 14:23

Honestly, that's not a storyline. That is indeed world building.

Speaker 1: 14:24

Honestly, that real, that's not a storyline, that is indeed world building like if if New Japan was an anime and it had it's intro, it's like New Japan and it'll show like the different factions and like this is the show like when they have like in the anime shows, where it's like you know it's showing the different things.

Speaker 2: 14:42

You know? You see freaking Okada stand, they're all proud, yeah. And then it's like you see in the background like a bunch of dark figures. That's evil, yeah. And then one steps out and you don't see their face, but you just see Bullet Club, yes. And then it cuts to another scene where they're running through the field yes, the next person show up, the Kenny Omega shows up.

Speaker 1: 15:03

Yes, yes, genname intro happening. Yeah, it's just world building.

Speaker 2: 15:07

But it's like, but it's one of those things where and this was in the revelation I came to realize, which is why it's never going to work is because, though that's kind of sort of how they've, they've always done that in Japan and even nowadays, as I said, it's barely working now In America. When you look at wrestling going dating all the way back to like the old early 70s Memphis phases In the early, you know what do you call those? The early territory stuff. And even now, when I even go to wrestling schools and train, they always say and they always swear by it's about the story.

Speaker 2: 16:08

Americans are, and you can even say North Americans I could just say All of North America. Right, when it comes to wrestling, it has been so literally ingrained, generation and generation, going down at least from the 60s forward. It's about the stories and the promos of wrestling, and then the wrestling is secondary and what Tony Khan is trying to do is make everyone disregard that very ingrained thought process and that's not working and it's never going to work yeah, I mean because, like, we are so prone to that, like that style of wrestling where in Japan, like I said before, or you even said before, there really wasn't the ability to create stories.

Speaker 1: 17:10

It's like, yeah, they'll create stories in the ring and in certain segments, but we, as wrestling fans in North America, we are spoiled with the theatrical sense of what wrestling could be. I mean, we've had mythical, we have a guy who has satanic powers, who creates a ministry of darkness, who's doing rituals and shit in the Attitude Era. We have, you know, japanese guys cutting off a fucking dude's dick, like we've been. We've gotten to the I won't say the cartoony nature, but like the carnival nature that can be wrestling with its story and the telling.

Speaker 2: 17:44

Well, I mean, that's also what wrestling has always been. Yeah, wrestling came from the carnival, yeah, yeah, yeah. But even with that though, like, because you're just talking about from our generation forward, yeah, yeah, yeah, 1991 and 1990 moving forward, yeah, yeah, but dial it back a little more. It's still always been about the story, dusty roads and rick flair. Absolutely, you know what I'm saying, you know, dial it back a little more. All the memphis, tennessee shit, like freaking, what was there? Like, uh, and even like I don't know why this one came to mind, probably because I've also been looking at a lot of Macho man shit this past week, because you stay Well, specifically because of what we're going to be talking about later.

Speaker 2: 18:31

But it's like you know, there was like this storyline being like, you know, when Macho man and his father had their own promotion, right, and they was competing against Jerry Lawler's promotion type situation and the vignettes and the promos that you know, randy Savage was cutting, talking about how, you know, he can beat Jerry, larry the King, and he was, you know, know, attacking him and attacking his promotion and all that. There was that story there. I, if I'm I can't remember exactly how it got resolved, I'm pretty certain uh, uh, his father ended up losing the promotion, okay, okay, but I do think there was, and I think they did eventually have a match with each other, but it's one of those things where it has always been about the story and not about the wrestling. Yeah, it's always been about the heel coming out there shitting on the baby face, to the point where they're almost getting stabbed on the way out just because they bloodied their baby face in the ring, kind of thing, and that's what wrestling has always been.

Speaker 2: 19:48

So, then, for Tony Khan to try and not do that, it's not working. And I feel like now, with him trying to actually do it, with him trying to actually do it, it's not working. Because he is, he's trying to create a universe and he's using way too many likenesses of other universes. Oh, okay, new Japan universe don't work very well in like a WWE type universe. No, okay, and a WWE type universe absolutely doesn't make a lick of fucking sense when you try to put it in a deathmatch wrestling universe. Yeah, okay. And AEW is trying to put bing, bing, bing, and it's not working at all.

Speaker 1: 20:49

They're trying to be everything.

Speaker 2: 20:51

They're trying to be, everything that's going to implode because there's elements here that won't work here, that elements that are here doesn't make any fucking sense here, mm-hmm Kind of thing, and it's like and then even then elements here really kind of doesn't fit up here, mm-hmm. And when you're trying to put all that together, you're going to get goop garbage.

Speaker 1: 21:23

I will agree. You know there's definitely certain things that you, we all, go to our specific promotions for, certain things, like when we watch tna compared to wwe. You know we watched it for maybe the x division or whatever the case may be. But, like we, we kind of go to our promotions for those specific things because that was that's what makes them stand out. With AEW, with them doing everything, nothing stands out but the fact that you're doing too fucking much. I think that's what you're trying to say at the end of the day, it is well, it's what's happening.

Speaker 2: 21:55

Yeah, they are indeed doing way too much, because the match that they had so like, for instance, we're going to see it when it comes to this pay-per-view, after the whole MJF debacle stuff. Then we have the Darby Allin debacle, where he comes out there with the. The angle took way too long. Claudio Castagnoli obviously does not know how to work a body bag or a fucking zipper. Apparently no Fam. He was struggling.

Speaker 1: 22:34

And when you struggle with those things it does my man out here. I mean, he could have at least punched him Like uh, uh. You know what I'm saying, Like something.

Speaker 2: 23:00

Uh, could have at least punched him to like like you know what I'm saying, like something it was, it was so bad, it was so bad. But then, after he finally got got it done, it's like he just looks about, puts him up on his shoulders and he spins him fucking around and drops on the ground like all right, claudio.

Speaker 1: 23:07

So what they like to do with that is that that's extra effect, that's the double effect. You know how when you attack as a fire Pokemon to a well, excuse me, you attack as a water Pokemon to a fire Pokemon, it's super effective.

Speaker 2: 23:22

So what they're thinking in their mind is okay, the normal tail spin that only does 50 in a body bag extreme effect because because he, because he not only does, not only does he not know when he's going to drop, but he can't see when the drop happens more.

Speaker 1: 23:40

So I was thinking of for the breathing part, because you know you're trying to breathe up there, you spinning bro, you hyperventilating. That's what I was thinking for the breathing part, because you know you're trying to breathe up there, you're spinning bro, you're hyperventilating. That's what I was thinking, but you got a point there too. Oh, I mean, all right, I guess that helps it yeah because, especially if you're trying to learn how to fall, like if you're learning how to take the bump at the end.

Speaker 2: 23:59

It was stupid.

Speaker 1: 24:05

Yes, it was. Yeah, I ain't gonna lie, it was stupid, like anytime, anytime.

Speaker 2: 24:07

Darby allen does the body bag thing it's like. But it gets. It gets crazier because what was it right after the last paper will? Osprey comes out there. He's like yeah, I got a fucked up neck bruv and I might have to. I might be out for a bit because I gotta get my, my neck fixed.

Speaker 1: 24:23

Oh yeah, I know you about to say Go ahead, dog.

Speaker 2: 24:27

Just for him to. Not only is he showing up swinging and fighting like there's nothing wrong with him, but then he's like I'm going to challenge you guys to a 150-man cage match. Lights out, lights out Unsanctioned. I'm going to get my friends and my New Japan buddies Well hold on, hold on, hold on If it is unsanctioned.

Speaker 1: 24:52

That wouldn't make sense, though, because what if he's not medically cleared? I'm not trying to save it, but like that would kind of make more sense though, because if he's not cleared of compete, he would not be able to be in a.

Speaker 2: 25:07

I do have a feeling that there's probably going to be something of the sort. Yeah, Because when that was asked and talked about, Renee was all like but I thought you were supposed to Like, what about your neck? And he's like oh, it's all right, and we just plowed through that, just forward, Like you know, whatever.

Speaker 1: 25:35

He could be trying to tough it out though, but yeah.

Speaker 2: 25:41

That being said, skipping all the way down the one fun, the only good thing about this whole night was the was the bit with the with, which is crazy for me to say, because I hate them, but at the same time, this whole shtick that the the Bucks got going on oh yeah, with their themes and their entrance and shit.

Speaker 1: 26:05

That shit's goofy dog.

Speaker 2: 26:06

And then they were sitting there in the extras jobber locker room when Moxley found them, which another thing their production was really crazy because they had, because they have the backstage segments where they've recorded Renee, but there's like they will cut from a backstage segment with Renee and also Renee standing in the middle of the ring.

Speaker 1: 26:38

I didn't even notice that shit.

Speaker 2: 26:43

When you're, when you're given garbage to watch, you find and notice things that you might not have noticed outside of if there was really good wrestling there was no pause, it was just boom, boom.

Speaker 1: 26:57

Yes, damn. So that was just. That was just bad editing she how listen?

Speaker 2: 27:02

they got renee uh out. There's like alright, back to you, guys Fucking.

Speaker 1: 27:08

Hey look, that's the universe. That's the universe, bro. Apparently they got they doing video game shit. So it's video game, because only in the video game can you? You know what I'm saying. So I'm not trying to make sense out of it what I'm saying. So I'm not trying to make sense out of it, but I'm just making at it because it's funny as fuck.

Speaker 2: 27:31

It is literally a video game at that point so so the other thing that Aaron was like going on about, is like cause it's like Will Ospreay's like, yeah, I'm gonna make some calls and I'm gonna get some of my friends koto obushi to help in this 10-man cage match against your friends moxley? They might as well just in blood and guts maybe, maybe they should have.

Speaker 1: 28:03

I mean yeah, because that's literally war games and you know, five, five.

Speaker 2: 28:07

You know I'm saying that it's a lot of people in one ring so the other thing that they had, so that after that happens, it goes to john moxley. He's like uh, you know he's sitting there. Uh, he was like uh, what? Because, uh, he was like koto bushi or whatever. The the other partner was like oh, and then they like walk to the back and then he goes into the jobber's room where he sees the bucks, and then he closes the door and then after the commercial break, so it's been decided, it's going to be Jon Moxley and his Death Riders and the Young Bucks versus and they got the whole graphic and the kid can't forget him because you know they're a fucking assassinator in New Japan.

Speaker 1: 28:55

Oh, gabe Kid so yeah, wheeler, cassanole, moxley, kid the Bucks, that's six.

Speaker 2: 29:11

Yeah, it is six. Hold on, I have to look at the bracket In general yeah, but it's like that's going to be the match. They're like a cage match, but I'm like how are you going to have all those guys in a cage? That's like a 12th man, Because the only way that would make sense is if y'all was going to do a hell in a cell. Y'all can't do that.

Speaker 1: 29:35

I mean they technically could do a cage, because I mean they technically did Blood and Guts, which is literally War Games. They just couldn't name it that unless they I don't think they trademarked it the actual cage itself fair enough, but it would have to be like a hell in a cell type cage for it to.

Speaker 2: 29:54

I think to make sense. I don't know, but as of right now it's that's gonna be a lot of shit fighting in a cage that's a lot of shit.

Speaker 1: 30:03

yeah, they had a better chance of doing the Anarchy in Arena, which, to me, as goofy as them shits are, they're just like. It's like. It's like watching a bar fight. Honestly, it's just like being at the bar and it's like these motherfuckers are going hey, pass me that. This. Like these motherfuckers are going. Hey, don't pass me that. This shit is still you know what I'm saying? All that kind of shit, but like as a match, no.

Speaker 2: 30:30

So, yeah, so that randomly happens now. Yeah and so, and then your main event of the evening. Your main event, the match that we've all been waiting for, An all-time possible spectacle. The last match of the night where everyone was sitting in them seats and bought tickets and waited to see the Ops versus all those Lucha guys. Samoa Joe's back after getting his neck clamped just like he was filming some shit, Just like what's his name? Our resident. Billy Goat.

Speaker 2: 31:19

Yeah, yeah, yeah. And you know what? Samoa, joe. He came out to the ring, he held the belt up, did his thing. They won the match and he held his belt up some more. No questions as to how he's feeling, where he's been, what you got going on next? What's the plans moving forward, joe?

Speaker 1: 31:48

You know Any particular challenges, maybe for the trios title that no one seems to care about Getting back at the Death Riders for doing what they did to your neck.

Speaker 2: 32:02

Hey, yeah, do you have anything to say about the Death Riders? Nah, I'm just holding this belt up in the air Because we just beat some lucha guys, because we're the ops.

Speaker 1: 32:15

You got dumbass theme songs. Stupid ass theme song, bro. There's nothing menacing or anything, it's just. It's just this dumb ass repetitive beat and they try to go out there and smack me, uh, with power outtimes uh, but they just, they just job uh, and they rob of us all our time when it comes to watching wrestling.

Speaker 2: 32:45

Boy, that's not a statement for. Bars, bars, bars oh my Bro.

Speaker 1: 32:59

So can we talk about actually something that's really interesting real quick, Karrion.

Speaker 2: 33:05

Kross. Yes, it's not a word. Oh.

Speaker 1: 33:11

I'm going to ask you if you thought it was a word or not, because I know he was on Arreolani.

Speaker 2: 33:18

He was on Arreolani, he was on Busted Open. Yeah, what if I told you I don't care? Yeah, bro, listen, carrying across should be someone I actually like. I'm surprised. Yeah, his look sure, his ability to promo Kinda. My problem with Karrion in the promos is the fact that he's never talking about anything I give a fuck about. Okay, but I ain't gonna lie to you, I'm kinda like one of those cats who are in that boat where Karrion Kross in the ring. Not much to be desired, if you ask me.

Speaker 1: 34:07

Now maybe, maybe I'm about to say the NXT run was pretty goddamn good.

Speaker 2: 34:13

And I missed his NXT run, but it's like I don't even know what his finish is.

Speaker 1: 34:19

His original finisher was basically. It was literally what's Billy Goat's move? The Hidden Blade. But he doesn't do the whole thing with it. He hits you, clocks you in the back of the head with it and I forgot what he calls it, but that was his NXT move and then he moved from that to another one and I can't remember what it's called, but that was it. He would stand over you kind of do the you know, and then come up and just boom and then gets up taunting and helping you. But that was just.

Speaker 2: 34:52

It was elbow to the back of the head when it came the last finisher I've ever seen him do was like a very weak ass submission and so, but it's like the eye do was like a very weak ass submission and so, but it's like the idea of carrying cross is great.

Speaker 1: 35:14

Yeah.

Speaker 2: 35:16

The potential of the potential of carrying cross is there.

Speaker 1: 35:21

The execution is absolutely missing and I can't say that it's him but like it's a similar situation to like you said, like even marie kind of I would almost, I would almost put it is, I feel like carrying cross also side. No, I'm not picking on you about that, i'm'm just bringing up a relatable situation.

Speaker 2: 35:44

No, no, okay, Just making sure. But like, no, but like with Karrion Kross. I feel as if Karrion Kross is almost like in the same boat as what Bray Wyatt was in for a long time. Yes, it's just that, bray Wyatt could also follow it up by being a good fucking wrestler, and then Bray Wyatt stuck it out, or he was able to stick it out long enough.

Speaker 1: 36:10

Where life gave him lemons, he made lemonade. Karrion Kross, life gave him limes. He don't know what to fucking do with that. It's like they basically have the same situation of the kind of characters they are. Karrion Kross is not a wrestler you can kind of categorize, but the potential of the story and the person that he could be could be, if not on a level of a Bray Wyatt, but he could be, yes, and that's where it's like Bray had the ability to still pull you in a match, karrion, I think because he hasn't had the chance to outside of the NXT audience like you saw him in NXT. I wouldn't say he was doing a lot of squash matches but he was explosive. But you know, going against some of the people he's going against, it just doesn't match. And when he had AOP, I was having high hopes. High hopes. You got AOP on your side. Like you may have some ability to do something there.

Speaker 2: 37:13

But the problem with AOP was the fact that they were suffering Big man Syndrome, which is like the same space where Omos is currently stuck in, where you're so big, so bad and so unstoppable that it's hard to make you lose, and then, once you lose, then it's all like oh so you're shit.

Speaker 1: 37:38

Yeah, you lost to these little guys.

Speaker 2: 37:40

Yeah, you lost to a bunch of little tiny people.

Speaker 1: 37:44

I mean, they made it believable in NXT when you know DIY did it and I was like you know what I can still sell Boom. They won it because they were. You know, it was really teamwork situation.

Speaker 2: 37:58

But it's weird because I feel as if, like when they did that with them, it made DIY look amazing, but's still kind of buried aop and it's and it's um, and then when they brought them back, they did the thing where it's like aop would lose a match, but they lose the match to some like tomfoolery, like some weird like DQ situation or some weird like count out situation, some distraction, interference, yeah, and it's like I can only watch them lose like that so many times. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And speaking of these stipulational foolish finishes, bro, on Raw, raw, raw right.

Speaker 1: 38:51

Hold up before we go to that, just to let y'all know he feels like the carry-on cost thing is not a work. He doesn't care. I myself, you think it's a. I feel like Triple H is definitely trying to find how much can he push the audience until they finally break, because he's trying to really get on this whole like. He wants to stop having things leak and he really likes the fact that we're all like is it a work? Is it so? I kind of feel like Triple H has got a. He's like hey, he probably like called him. It's like yo don't tell nobody fucking anything. We're going to let that contract just, but I got you with some shit and I'm like and like give it like a month and we'll have you back here bro, just just don't do anything. Don't like say you're going to take bookings, so you're going to do the whole shit, because not even promotions are not even booking him, because they think it's a work, because they think it's a work.

Speaker 1: 39:45

So it's like that's crazy, right. So I feel like Triple H has got something in there, but that's all I want to say.

Speaker 2: 39:54

Maybe Continue on the road. It's a big maybe. Unfortunately, I just don't really care about carrying clothes like that. I'm I'm not in the crowd or I'm not out here doing carrying cross chance in the middle of a wrestling I'm not either, but my, my mystery is more so.

Speaker 1: 40:16

Is it a work because now it showcases to us triple h wanting to, or Parlevec wanting to, push the audience that hard to believing when shit happens like it's?

Speaker 2: 40:31

you know. But then turns out it is Mm-hmm Karrion Kross comes back. Mm-hmm, Fuck is he doing?

Speaker 1: 40:44

Apparently the original program was him going to. Originally his program was supposed to be going against Roman. So I think he would probably be putting in a situation of going against Cody, Because they need another big heel to go against Cody right now. Because who do you feel like should go against Cody right now? Who should go against Cody right now? Because who do you feel like should go against Cody right now?

Speaker 2: 41:06

Who should go against Cody right now as a heel?

Speaker 1: 41:09

Because it can't be seen no more and it damn straight Brock right now. So, like some say, it was going to be Drew, but I'm like no, Well, it is Drew right now. That's what I'm saying. Like I don't like Drew being the big heel to go against him, to be like as a threat, like a major threat to him. We've already seen that program before. Wait, Cody and Drew fought. I could've sworn they had a match, at least once. They may not have had a full program, but they had a match. Maybe I'm gonna have to look back at that. I feel like it's happened.

Speaker 2: 41:43

Listen. Everything is in such a disarray on that side of WWE the WWE title picture and it's in such a weird space that almost feels as if no one really cares.

Speaker 1: 42:04

No, excuse me, he went against Seth. I think it wasn't Cody, because I do remember he had a heavyweight title match or something like that, and it wasn't against Cody. Oh, yeah, yeah, continue, continue.

Speaker 2: 42:15

Yeah, no, as a matter of fact, now that you bring that up, yeah, no, no, he hasn't. Drew and Cody really haven't. They've interacted a lot, but it's like Drew's been on the opposite end of Cody because Cody's been, you know, for two years straight, was dealing with Roman Reigns, and then he's where he's at now. But it's like, honestly, I don't know like who I mean. After this whole thing with Drew McIntyre, I don't know where Cody kind of goes.

Speaker 1: 42:44

That's why I feel like Karrion Kross would be a good heel, Because he'd be a fresh one. We need somebody fresh Because, like, outside of that, like who else do you think it's not going to be Carmelo Hayes, as much as I would like it to be?

Speaker 2: 43:00

That feels so random to just be like, of all people, to say I was like it's not going to be Carmelo, no that you're right.

Speaker 1: 43:08

I mean cause. I mean Carmelo, yeah, he is a heel, but like they're not going to shoot him up as like the top heel right now. You know what I'm saying? Like we need a top heel and but fam oh go ahead.

Speaker 2: 43:28

Raw has been doing the old school like early, you know, late 80s booking, of having matches that are ending in constant DQs and no contests. Right now this is they've for twice this show, but literally, I think for about at least the last month and a half, every raw has ended with has had no contest or a disqualification, you know, and. And then it ends with uh, uh. What do they call themselves now the? The vision. It ends with what do they call themselves now the Vision? It ends with the Vision. Just, you know, some people online are saying they're doing the evolution formula.

Speaker 1: 44:15

I mean, we already knew that, and stuff.

Speaker 2: 44:17

And it's like I already knew that, or right now, or the more recent incarnation of it is the Seth Riders, as they've been the Seth Ryders right now. Damn when I tell you, the only thing I wrote down for Raw was that Punk and LA Knight's promo was interesting.

Speaker 1: 44:44

Very, it was like the Steiner math.

Speaker 3: 44:49

What are you? You're 40. You're 40. You're like 47. You're like 47. That's like 100. I can beat you both.

Speaker 2: 45:01

Bro, the fact that it's like a big thing now so that Steouter math checks out and it spells disaster for us sacrifice but um, I don't know, bro, like wrestling has been stupid this week, like I literally saw the posts for SmackDown and I was like I'm going to go do laundry and clean up my room.

Speaker 1: 45:40

I mean, as much as I watched wrestling this week, I don't think of anything memorable that I can talk about, and that's a bad thing. Yes, that's a bad thing. Yes, it is. The only thing that kind of came to mind was the Steiner Math thing, and then obviously, I want to talk about Karrion Kross, because it's a big topic and everybody's talking about it just getting opinions. So I do want to ask you a question, since we're currently trying to work on making our own show and promotion and stuff like that. You are brought up the whole false finishes things. So do you not feel like that's a way of storytelling at all? Because, like, as you're going to be booker, I I getting a idea in your mind. Do you feel like those are even things that should be done, or every match should be a finish of some sort?

Speaker 2: 46:24

So everything is perfectly fine in moderation. All right, sometimes to get a point across, sure, but not every goddamn night now, unless there is a particular point you're trying to get across with that. Therefore, I can understand a little bit of cookage, but there, but there has to be something different. There's got to be something, there's got to be some extra substance to it. Type deal.

Speaker 1: 47:05

There has to be a reason why it's constantly happening.

Speaker 2: 47:08

Correct, and then the people who it's happening to. There's got to be a rhyme, reason and connection, you know, the story on the back end with it's got to have some relevancy and all this.

Speaker 1: 47:19

Perfect example when Austin was trying to the back end with it's got to have some relevancy and all this like it's perfect example when austin was trying to find out who ran him over and he interfered in every match and just would go in there stunner, like hitting people with chairs and shit like that.

Speaker 2: 47:30

He did it every match because he was like man, fuck, I'm just getting everybody yes, or only because I had been seeing, I've been looking at a lot of this, but like, like when Kane was coming up, he was just coming out and literally just dog walking people, yeah, and he was like we're going to keep doing this until you accept the challenge. Everyone is going to feel the pain until you say, yes, I'll fight your brother, my brother, type thing. But like, I feel these because I the the. The reasons behind it is because it's the whole thing where it's like they want the vision to look dominant and they might not look as dominant if they lose the match. Yeah, but what saves them from losing the match is if seth rollins blatantly interferes and lays everybody out.

Speaker 1: 48:35

Yeah, he doesn't want to make the bronze his stooges, and the stooges would be losing matches and he would.

Speaker 2: 48:40

Correct, but of course they also don't want to make CM Punk and LA Knight look like bitches, and so these matches happen and then they end in these DQs or no contests, and I feel that, like, there's ways where you can have these matches and someone lose, but the integrity is still held together.

Speaker 2: 49:12

You know what I'm saying? Yeah, there is ways to make that happen. There's ways to lose a match and still look like you're a winner, but of course, there's also the fact of you can't do that all the time, a good example of that being Undertaker and Kane. When they've had their first fight right, it took Kane two and a half, it took Undertaker three tombstones to keep Kane from kicking out. But even then, at the very end of that, kane got up and dog walked his brother. Kane lost the match, but then he got back up and showed himself as still being extremely strong type situation. And I feel, because of the fact that we have the Bron-Brons like, for instance, with this one, the Bron-Brons going up against LA Knight and Punk I feel, if they, I feel as if they could have still had a definitive winner who do?

Speaker 1: 50:17

you think would have took the pin? How about that? Who do you think should have took the pin? How about that? I think that would kind of. Who do you think should have took the pin?

Speaker 2: 50:23

I feel like that would help If that was If it was going to be the Bron-Brons that were supposed to go over and win. Right, I would say CM Punk takes the pin, yep, because it makes the Bron-Brons credible, but but it's like you could still have some kind of screwiness going on. Or because of the fact that Sam Punk and LA Knight aren't we're already not clearly on the same page, something could have happened and it looked as if that LA Knight was being incompetent when really there was some kind of distraction angle that ended up going down. Needless to say, the Bron-Brons come out with the win and they end up being dominant and now or they could have still had someone lose and still had the angle where Seth Rollins comes out there and costs them the match, but not just completely throw the match out of the window, kind of thing, like there's no shame in losing and there's ways to lose gracefully, but for some reason they're not wanting to do it.

Speaker 1: 51:30

I feel like, if they do do it, though, like if it was a no contest, it should be like okay, well guys, you keep wanting to do this, and that We'll either make it a steel cage or we'll make it a no DQ the next match. You know, it's something that creates the reason why the next match is on pay-per-view, something like that.

Speaker 2: 51:50

Or if we didn't have so many goddamn pay-per-views, we could do some old Raw shit, and then next week it'd actually be a steel cage match at the end of Raw for the main event. Yeah, you know, a real main event, aew. A real main event, this motherfucker.

Speaker 1: 52:12

Were there any other points that you have for the Wild Week of Wrestling?

Speaker 2: 52:15

before we kind of go on to main topic, Well, the only other piece that I will say was Triple A, triple Mania. Triple Mania's that show Definitely. Watch it. It's on YouTube. It's a fun watch. It's crazy, lucha shit.

Speaker 1: 52:34

More reasons why he gotta watch Lucha Underground. Bro, it's uh.

Speaker 2: 52:39

Although, like Lucha, Underground is is cinematic Lucha, which that's what I'm saying.

Speaker 1: 52:46

I feel like you'll like it, because the stories make sense. Yeah, Like that goofy shit that you see in AEW with selling and everything. Like they'll sell some shit over there. So like I feel like you'll like it, oh, they'll sell some shit over there.

Speaker 2: 52:59

So like I feel like you'll like it. Oh, I know, I will Like. I said, it's not like I have not watched it, I just haven't watched it its entirety. Well, did you at least watch?

Speaker 1: 53:10

the first season. I can't tell you what I've watched.

Speaker 2: 53:13

How about I say because if you watch, have you watched at least the Ultima Lucha? No, I haven't like watched like pay-per-views or so.

Speaker 1: 53:17

Ultima Lucha was basically the season finale, like episode.

Speaker 2: 53:20

No, I didn't watch it.

Speaker 1: 53:21

And it would technically be their pay-per-view, but it'd be through three episodes.

Speaker 2: 53:24

So, like, however many episodes that exist of Lucha Underground I've watched Huh, it's three seasons in total. So, like, out of three seasons, I've watched maybe five episodes. Okay, not consecutively, okay, so. So it's like I've seen it. I'm aware of some of the people who were on it, but, like I never I haven't like did the deep dive on it, but it's like AAA, aaa mania. It's definitely worth the watch.

Speaker 2: 53:54

It was a little weird at the end because apparently, mexico really really loves alberto del rio. Yeah, they love him so much that their current champion is getting booed out of the stadium. I mean, heavy bro, like. And then there was also this weird thing which, like because I don't speak spanish, I don't know, but according to Twitter, people are translating it that like there was a point where, like, rey Mysterio was talking and they started chanting Alberto, and like Rey Mysterio was all like, relax, I'll get him back, or something like that. And so it's all like you're gonna do what, rey, you're gonna get him back, or something like that. And so it's all like you're gonna do what, ray, you're gonna get who back, ray, have you forgotten what this man has done? Putting hands on Paige, kidnapping, like assault being a dick but assault being a dick.

Speaker 1: 55:07

But Mexico loves the big American, which is crazy work Mexico loves they love their fucking iguana boy boy and I love me some Lola Weiss oh, I mean half their, half of their roster are female luchas like also Natalia, the low-key legend, that's what you call herself.

Speaker 2: 55:43

So I'm guessing this is like her like, because she's been like doing some indie shows recently. Yeah, she's done. Gcw she's doing everything, but wwe she's like she was like doing, like blood sport or something like I still need to watch I think apparently like she has this persona where she's the low-key legend or whatever.

Speaker 1: 56:00

If that's a. Thing.

Speaker 2: 56:01

I'll rock with it, bro, she Boy, she bad Like she was, was she at WrestleMania.

Speaker 2: 56:08

Boy, she was. Yeah, she was there. She fought whoever their female, the female women's champion, that's there. Mm-hmm, mm-hmm, mm. Thick butt, juicy, all around freaking. It was a triple threat. It was the woman's champion, that's there. Um, I can't think of her name. There was another woman who came out there and she had like a whole like indian chief's address on and all this other stuff, and then our low-key legend, natalya or Natty, and she was throwing bows. Bro, I'm going to have to see this now. She was. However, though, the cheeks were what I was looking at, the thing that was crazy about this match, and all the other matches, for that matter, until the main event, bro, something is wrong with these lucha referees, bro, these referees are fucking weird. Like blind, yes, but not just blind, but like they're they're counting. So this referee and I shared it on our on, on, on the, the podcast, twitter the referee when the first pin happened, the referee, he, he was like first. He took forever to get into position, so he took one two, one Two.

Speaker 1: 57:47

Yo, you remember WFH2? One, two. Three that long ass pin bro One.

Speaker 2: 57:57

Two, this guy, one Two. And then she kicked out. And I'm talking, everyone's like boo JBL over here defending him. He's like what do you want? He's doing his job. I'm like what the fuck was that? And then that happened one time they zoom in on the ref. He's all like what the fuck was that? And then that happened one time they zoom in on the ref. He's all like what are you booing me for? I didn't do anything. I counted. I counted and then for the rest of the match, what if he was a heel referee?

Speaker 2: 58:35

That's literally what everybody's saying, but it's like that doesn't make any fucking sense. He don't referee, so he's on nobody's side. He doesn't want to see the fucking world burn.

Speaker 2: 58:48

So he was just doing it all over. Okay, never mind. So the first time it happened it was a pin against the champ, right. And then, from that point forward, song and a pin one, two, one, two. I'm talking. He just boom, boom. I mean he's slapping the mat quick. It's like what the fuck is going on, bro. I don't understand this the whole time. And then the finish, the champion gets a roll-up pin. So let's say if the ropes are right here, right, rollup pin, the girl's feet are on the fucking ropes. The referee so like, let's say, the roll-up pin, and in front of me is the ropes she rolls up, her feet are touching and hitting the ropes when she rolls her up. The referee is facing this way.

Speaker 1: 1:00:03

One, two, three.

Speaker 2: 1:00:05

Foot on the rope. Foot is clearly on the rope. Bam. I'm like, like I said, bro, just go to the Twitter, I'm going to watch it. I've re-shared it, I'm watching, or just re-watch the pay-per-view Because, outside of that little foolishness, fucking. Remember Judas Macias from TNA. Remember when Abyss Judas Macias was the cane to Abyss's Undertaker. Remember when his manager came out there and betrayed uh, uh, abyss. And then he brought this, this new guy with the white eyes and the long hair and shit nah, I might have to see you though well, he's one.

Speaker 2: 1:00:58

he was he's champion, or at least he was. He was a champion in this promotion. And he came out and I'm looking at this guy, I'm like why do I know his face? Because he still puts the contacts in his eyes and stuff like that. And it took me a minute because I'm like I know his face and as I'm watching I'm like he was in TNA, but what was his name? And I ended up looking it up and sure as shit, his name was Judas Macias and he's better now, but back then he was. He was like someone who, like he looked like he was supposed to be, like this big, bad monster of a guy. But one of the reasons why I felt like I couldn't be a monster if I was to be a wrestler is because he wasn't tall enough to be a monster.

Speaker 2: 1:01:55

Going up against Abyss of all people.

Speaker 1: 1:01:58

Just kind of like how Jeff Cobbs was supposed to be a monster in Lucha Underground, but I want you to see who he could have been when you're watching.

Speaker 2: 1:02:09

But yeah, no, like it was all pretty good and of course, can't bring it up without bringing up the the iguana versus the demon puppet. Wrap it up, damn. But but yeah, no, it's worth the watch.

Speaker 1: 1:02:29

Honestly, it's better than everything that happened this week on all the shows what it sounded like it might be.

Speaker 2: 1:02:35

Yeah it really, it really was, especially with that ending. At the end it was, it was worth it. But uh, oh yeah, and Vince McMahon apparently defended Hulk Hogan's honor, so that happened too.

Speaker 1: 1:02:48

I mean, apparently he looks even worse. I mean, jr was saying something about him in his podcast and I'm like well, I mean, what about how Vince McMahon looks? Yeah, his looks, he looks like he hasn't got a lot of surgery. A how Vince McMahon looks yeah, his looks, he looks like he hasn't got a lot of surgery.

Speaker 2: 1:03:02

A lot of surgeries on his face. Yeah, his face does look like it's all oddly puffy and shit. Yeah, it's melting, which is unfortunate because he and then he's got the fucking. He's got the fucking penciled-in eyebrows and shit.

Speaker 1: 1:03:15

Yeah, he wants to still look young as possible, forever young.

Speaker 2: 1:03:21

That yeah, he wants to still look young as possible. Forever young, that's the thing he wants. To look young as possible, and the surgeries are making him look old as fuck and making him look plastic as shit.

Speaker 1: 1:03:27

But you know what ain't fake.

Speaker 2: 1:03:29

These nuts. Sorry, it's a force of habit for jokes.

Speaker 1: 1:03:38

Promos, the emotion and the feeling that promos give are not fake, crazy, what the fuck. So when we originally had this discussion about promos, I made sure I asked just in case, because some people I was looking up on some sites some people were saying certain segments were good promos. I made sure I asked just in case because some people I was looking up on some sites some people were saying certain segments were good promos. But I was like, well, those are really segments it's not really a promo being cut. To us, a promo is you pick up a mic, you look at a camera and you spit your shit. Spit your game, talk your shit, got it. You know what I'm saying All that stuff. So shit, spit your game, talk your shit, got it. You know I'm saying all that stuff. So what you do there is what counts as a promo and that's what we want to discuss on. What were some of the most compelling promos to us as wrestling fans and I feel like once I hear yours too, it will really help me understand what you look for as a as a wrestling fan. When somebody cuts a promo, um, and I got a couple, but um, first one I'm going to throw out there is Jake the snake. Uh, Jake the snakes promo on, uh, ultimate warrior, on the differences of a rabbit and a snake is.

Speaker 1: 1:05:05

So Jake the Snake comes on, he cuts the promo and he says let me tell you a little story about a rabbit and a snake. A rabbit finds a snake he's really hurt and everything. And the rabbit says Mr Snake, I'm going to take you in, I'm going to take care of you. And the rabbit takes care of him for a while, until one day the snake is healed. And then the rabbit, he goes, get some minerals, things like that for the snake. And he comes back and sees the snake is gone and he turns around and boom, the snake is in his face. And the snake says I told you I was a snake and now, mr Rabbit, I gonna eat you. And then Rabbit says but Mr Snake, I'm your friend. Like no. He says no, no, no, no, I'm a snake. I told you this from the jump and, ultimate Warrior, you're the dumbest rabbit I ever met in my life. So it's like oh man, great shit, I love it. That is a good one.

Speaker 2: 1:05:59

Great shit, I love it, um, that that is a good. So what I've come to notice or at least for me, most of the promos that I've that like when I was going back and I was looking at them the promos that I was like, that I always really liked either happened in the middle of a series of promos that have taken place, or it's the ignition promo that starts a whole situation. Yeah, and so when it comes to people who I feel, who have absolutely just never cut a bad promo Samoa Joe, and to even narrow it down, the whole time Samoa Joe was in WWE, wwe Samoa Joe was some of his best promos that he's done. Samoa Joe, he is so good with adding his powerful hint of intensity and he is so clever and slick with it. Anytime Samoa Joe was talking to Roman Reigns, samoa Joe made Roman Reigns look like a punk. So much to the point where I pray that Samoa Joe drops those titles and just goes back to WWE, because WWE needs a fucking Samoa Joe. He would be that monster heel. It's almost like in my mind. I feel like it's like Roman Reigns is only who he is right now, because Samoa Joe left always had something clever or wild to say about Roman Reigns. That will make Roman Reigns have to shut the hell up and Samoa Joe will go after anybody's neck Freaking.

Speaker 2: 1:08:34

I was looking at them on the way here and Samoa Joe's promos towards AJ and talking about Wendy. Oh, wendy, I'm going to send daddy home and now he'll be able to tuck you in at night. You will thank me later and I'm going to take his title from him and all this other stuff. Like. I mean, put him to sleep Like it is. Listen, it is because of samoa joe. Anytime, someone's anytime. I would be like playing destiny with the friends and stuff like that. It's like, oh, it's like I'll be right back. I gotta go put my son in a coquina clutch real quick. Put him to sleep like this motherfucker.

Speaker 1: 1:09:17

That's crazy. You're not wrong with the Samoa Joe ones. You're not wrong. There was not really any bad. I mean Samoa Joe just in general. If you go out through his entire, you know run as a wrestler. He's not cut any bad promos his promos are always good even in AEW right now oh god, yes, when he was heavyweight champion if he actually says something.

Speaker 1: 1:09:41

When he was heavyweight champion or when he was a TNT champion, going against was it Darby or was it Hook? Some of those promos were just like bro, I'm your television champion, which led him to win the heavyweight champion.

Speaker 2: 1:09:58

And then he was all like I don't want to play with this anymore. He drops the belt.

Speaker 1: 1:10:05

I don't want to play with you anymore. I mean, which is weird? Which is weird because when Jay Lethal did that like Jay Lethal kind of did that when he was their you know Ring of Honor TV top champion or whatever, and he was like this belt is more prestigious than the heavyweight title Then he gets the heavyweight title, defends both of them and then at some point he's just like I don't need you anymore.

Speaker 2: 1:10:28

I don't want to play with this anymore. Yeah, fam, Like Samoa Joe, Literally like his whole series of promos in that particular manner. Now someone another one I had looked at cause like I actually had a problem trying to find promos to re-listen to cause, like I'll remember the situations that have happened. I'll remember the situations that have happened, I'll remember the stories, but it's like to remember the specific promos and the specific things that were said. Those don't just come to my mind. And so for me to find these promos, I just found myself damn near just re-watching small parts of like a series of different raw episodes.

Speaker 1: 1:11:27

So you're telling me you don't remember this. And when you look up to the heavens and you say God, and he says Bob, but my name's Billy, it doesn't matter what your name is. The Billy Gunn promo like. When the Rock did that promo of Billy Gunn, it literally, literally destroyed his entire momentum. That promo destroyed Billy.

Speaker 2: 1:11:57

He never recovered from that. People say that like even uh, billy gunner was like I don't think it did all that. Like he well, I mean, I could see how it would seem like it did, but like I don't, I don't think it like this destroyed his career.

Speaker 1: 1:12:18

It's momentum just this moment. I don't think. I don't think it did all of that, but like career destroyed his career, it destroyed his career. I say his run, his momentum, just his momentum. I don't think it did all of that but like, yeah, career now.

Speaker 2: 1:12:24

So, and that was another thing though, because, like, when I was looking at promos, I wasn't. I didn't really I didn't look for the funny ones Kind of thing, for all the compelling ones I was looking for, like the you know, fucking Grammy of the year, fucking promos and stuff. Like one of them I came across, remember when Kane had it was, I think this was like 2009-ish, and the whole story was the fact that Undertaker was found knocked out in a vegetative state and nobody knew who did it. And when it happened, kane had, for all intents and purposes, for all intents and purposes, a eulogy, right, the druids came out there and they brought an empty coffin and they had the whole like the ring was decorated, had the fucking picture of the Undertaker on the, you know, on the whole nine right.

Speaker 2: 1:13:28

And Kane comes out there and it's literally as if he is talking of his brother, as if he's been killed, and he's just talking about you know, he's going on and on talking about, you know, like how great his brother was and how he was loved by everybody and this and the other. And you know, and now I'm going to do everything I can to find out who did this to him. Vengeance will be his and this and the other, that whole promo, like one of those, that whole promo and then everything that followed after it. Okay, let's hold it absolutely solid because, like, because literally k, like he goes through all the emotions, he's all sad and everything he's like. I will find who did this to my brother and they will pay he insane Kane at this time Just to find out it was him who did it the whole time.

Speaker 1: 1:14:39

And then that's almost similar to when Shawn Michaels found out him who did it the whole time. And then that's almost similar to when Shawn Michaels found out Triple H did it Like it was me, your damn son my bitch.

Speaker 2: 1:14:51

Sometimes Hunter whenever he cusses it's like the funniest shit ever. He's so serious about it, yo like so so serious. He's so serious about it. And then, talking about Triple H, a promo, another promo that I really like. I Am the Game.

Speaker 1: 1:15:07

Huh, the, I Am the Game one no actually the one I was thinking about.

Speaker 2: 1:15:13

It's actually it's Undertaker and Triple H going into their match that they had in Miami.

Speaker 1: 1:15:22

Oh, the promo. When they're in the ring staring at each other and just looking at the Not that one, that was. Even though it was a promo. That was good, though. That was like good storytelling.

Speaker 2: 1:15:30

No, this one is the one where Undertaker he's all like I can't live with the uncertainty of whether or not if I could beat you, and so I challenge you to a match. But then you said no, you will fight me at wrestlemania. And triple h is all like it's not what's best for business, I'm not doing it, there's nothing you can do to make me do it and take your side. All right, that's cool, coward. And then triple h comes back in the rain, is all like I see what you tried to do there, trying to pull the coward string and everything. But uh, but I'm sorry, dead man, I'm not going to do it because I'm not the one who needs this one it's you you're the one who's got something to prove here.

Speaker 2: 1:16:25

I am fine where I am and he goes to leave again. And that's when undertaker's all like you know what? I figured this would be something typical of you. You know, uh, you're just uh, you're just afraid that that you're going to be no better than Shawn Michaels because I beat him and you know, just like him, you can't beat me either. And that's when Triple H blows his top and he gets all in Undertaker's face and he's all like listen, I don't care what you say, but I know I'm better than Shawn Michaels and all this other stuff. And that's when he starts getting all fucking riled up and he's like you wanna do this? Fine, we'll do it, but we're gonna make sure that when it's done, we do it right, goes all into the whole theatrics about it and stuff like that. Fine, we'll do it, but we're going to make sure that when it's done, we do it right. Hell in a cell, blah, blah, blah. Goes all into the whole theatrics about it and stuff like that.

Speaker 2: 1:17:25

And it's one of those things when I'm watching this. It's like that's how you get somebody wanting to watch a match. All of those promos, any promo that Samoa Joe did like, specifically the series of promos that he cut on AJ Styles. I couldn't wait to see them have their fucking match. When Kane cut his promo on Undertaker when he had won the heavyweight title, he's all like I have your holy grail now and you're not going to be able to take this from me. Ever since I stepped foot into this company, my goal was to be the better brother, and now this shows that I am. Then for him to go on and proceed to beat Undertaker three times in a row and every time came out here talking even more good shit.

Speaker 1: 1:18:26

Like bro. So if we talk about that, then I will say anytime I ever want to see a promo, if not a package, that gets me going again is always Royal Rumble 2000,. Triple H versus Katniss Jack. Whenever Mankind gets reinstated and he comes up to the ramp and he was like you know what I was thinking about, being happy after I got reinstated, looking at all the blood that you left on my shirt, and I kind of had to reconsider. Maybe there might need to be a substitution for that match.

Speaker 1: 1:18:58

You just see the shitting grin on hunter's face, like, yeah, breaking him was what it is. And he's like I think you know the guy and he just starts ripping his shirt. And for any fan that watched it in the attitude error they fought before, so they kept going back to the clips and luckily in that match hunter got his ass kicked, so it's like it's almost ptsd for him. Yeah, so literally when he sees him open that shirt, it's the store. Oh shit, bro, like, oh, no, like it's cactus. So and he just goes ham. It's like, yeah, basically mankind, basically mankind, it's still mankind. It's just he metamorphed into Cactus Jack, which in a sense he's more sadistic. He can apparently take more pain, whatever the case may be, but it's the storytelling and the world building of who Cactus Jack is that sells the match of like. Okay, mankind could have probably did this.

Speaker 2: 1:19:56

But Cactus Jack. You know it's funny that you bring that up because, like as someone who, at a younger age, my only taste of Cactus Jack was whenever he was in WWE it wasn't until recently I've looked up and seen, like all those death matches, real Cactus Jack. But it's interesting to me Cactus cause, like I tried to figure out and see if I could understand what exactly is Cactus Jack as a character and number one. No one actually talks about that. So, matter of fact, not not even man, not not even mcfoley explains on anything that I've seen, like who cactus? I've seen him explain do love. I know who dude love is.

Speaker 1: 1:20:49

Yeah, I know who mankind is, but he never explains cactus jack cactus jack to me, is always like, okay, if you look at batman villains, right, you look at cactus jack as fucking joker. He's just the cynical of just crazy and everything and dude love would be. That's a tough one actually. I'm thinking of good Batman villains right now. God damn, I can't. Let me go back to Do Love. Mankind, I would say, is Mr Freeze as in. Like he has a tragic backstory but he's like very smart with what he does and like he has a plot to everything he's doing. You know what I'm saying. But also he's a little tormented, right, and inner-tormented. It's probably a better villain, but I'm just putting in situations. They're like different villains, different situations, but like whenever Cactus Jack comes out, it's the utmost chaos, it's the, it's the high point of all the chaos, right, that lives in your head.

Speaker 2: 1:22:04

Yeah, which is yeah, which is about as close to an explanation I've ever gotten, Because it's like mankind. It's like because mankind and Cactus Jack are the closest ones to each other as far as their mentality.

Speaker 1: 1:22:23

Goku regular level KO Ken.

Speaker 2: 1:22:30

Well, I mean, I can see what you're trying to get at with that. Well, I mean, I can see what you're trying to get at with that. It's like, for me it's like like mankind, you know, is this troubled, demented, you know this troubled, slightly demented, crazy, right, cactus Jack is. Cactus Jack is like man, it's almost like mankind, without the feelings.

Speaker 1: 1:23:06

I was about to say, almost leaning into other medical, I don't know what some of the categories are. It's like alters, these are almost alters, they really are. So for example, I know with Cain right, I don't know what's the category, it's like alters, he's almost alters, they really are, they are alters.

Speaker 2: 1:23:16

But it's like. So, for example, I know, like with Kane, right, yeah, there Kane. Like there was Kane when he first showed up and then, as Kane interacted with more people, he slowly but surely became more human type thing and then, but then, like when he, when they forced him to take his mask off, I do believe the way he kind of sort of like uh, explained it was like his mat, him wearing the mask was like a way of almost like masking, masking and hiding all of his like, insecurities and his want to have people care about him and love him and all this other stuff. When the mask came off, he went full psychotic and started literally committing like war crimes on a nightly basis, because he now realizes he no longer has anything to hide. Everyone can see the full him, and the full him is this crazy psychopath with this want to, for all intents and purposes, kill.

Speaker 1: 1:24:33

Yeah, I mean, he lit fucking JR on fire.

Speaker 2: 1:24:35

I mean, with JR on fire, I mean Lit JR on fire, set electricity to Shea McMahon's nuts Tombstone, linda McMahon multiple times. Tombstone, linda McMahon on the steel ramp. Chokeslam Eric Bischoff. Yeah, chokeslammed Eric Bischoff, I'm talking.

Speaker 1: 1:24:53

We don't count. Embrace the Hate because he did wheel off.

Speaker 2: 1:24:55

He almost killed Trish Stratus.

Speaker 2: 1:25:01

Yeah, that video Bro that video popped up at random for me the other day, cause it's like you know, eric Bischoff was like hey, listen, I know you were supposed to be having a championship match tonight, but that's not going to happen. But I know you're a fighting competitor, so I've made arrangements and I have a match for you, so just bear with me. They're on their way to the ring, boom, and Kane just starts walking out and Trish is like hey ref, hey, hey ref, yo referee, what is this? What's happening? And of course, referee's all like hey, girl, I just work here, I just 1, 2, 3. You know what I'm saying? Make sure there's no two, three. You know what I'm saying? Make sure there's no DQ. I don't know what you want. And Kane gets in the ring and Trish is all like listen, we don't have to do this. Kane's just. And it's funny because, like Kane, he like, he takes it like I used to love that shit.

Speaker 2: 1:26:16

I used. Fight is like he took the black towel off and he threw it and it freaking landed perfectly on the top rope, just like boing. It's perfect land. And it's like referee's looking at her like Ring the bell. Damn shame. Ring the bell. Earl Hatter didn't give no fucks, bro, earl Hatter did not give 80 fucks dog by Earl. Hatter, she's all like ref, ref. Can he do that?

Speaker 2: 1:26:36

he's like, yeah, he can god damn and Kane went, grabbed her, drugged her middle of the ring and he's just Earl Hebner's, just like doing the burps, just the burpees. Oh man, oh thank god for chris jericho, because because chris jericho and trish were having a little thing then out there and saved her. But yeah, bro, like so one.

Speaker 1: 1:27:12

I don't know if you ever seen before, but this is kind of one of the things that brought me on to New Jack, because New Jack has always been able to cut a promo that it's very hood and very fucking realistic. Oh yeah, and the smoky mountain one is what anybody will bring up, it's whenever oh yeah, we shout out OJ and shout out to OJ, shout out to OJ.

Speaker 2: 1:27:36

That's one less one that we gotta worry about, you understand?

Speaker 1: 1:27:43

But the whole thing before it was still a good promo. He's like yo, we don't come here to make friends, we come here to beat people up and make money and we gonna show you that Mustafa and I are the best tag team. It's just just. Also, it just happens to be we in this hick ass fucking town and all these other things, so we don't give a fuck about y'all. But like, granted, we're here and oh yeah, real quick one down, you know like just shout out. So it's like for him to even say it in Dark Side of the Rings, like people were like trying to actually kill us. We were doing our job and I was like, oh man, I mean technically, yeah, that's crazy.

Speaker 2: 1:28:24

Nujak, if it was not for the fact that he was damn near clinically crazy as a person.

Speaker 1: 1:28:34

I mean he lost the vision in one of his eyes because the nigga sat on his face. Pause. I mean it's factual though, like dude sat on his fucking head and smashed it. Dude actually did a front flip on his head too.

Speaker 2: 1:28:53

But I feel like if it wasn't for the fact that he was like that, clinically crazy, if it wasn't for him being crazy and then the fact that, like His gimmick. Kind of Like I feel as if he Promo-wise nowadays. If you could trust what he was going to say and if he wasn't, a he was actually quite the businessman, I feel he'd be great.

Speaker 1: 1:29:26

In like WWE. He would've been great during the hardcore title era of like constantly bringing Inos in the ring and then the constant backstage shit like with Crash Holly and stuff like that. Like era of like constantly bringing Inos in the ring and then the constant backstage shit like with Crash Holly and stuff like that. Like I feel like that era of hardcore-ness. I feel like he'd have been good in probably no, yeah, no like he probably yeah in the hardcore era.

Speaker 2: 1:29:47

Yeah, he probably would have been real good, it's like with the way that he can cover Pro Bowl and like get like heat, like I feel he would like at this day and age if he was still around and wasn't as hard to work with as I've heard he could be. He would be a great mouthpiece for somebody.

Speaker 1: 1:30:10

Oh hell, yes, Actually, way better than MVP. Oh God, could you imagine him as the leader of the Hurt Syndicate?

Speaker 2: 1:30:21

Bro Bobby Lashley, shelton Benjamin, and fucking New Jack and New Jack, the Hurt Syndicate. That makes so much fucking sense. Oh, that's a move, that's a move. That's a. That's a.

Speaker 1: 1:30:39

oh yeah oh yeah, just imagine him ringside just talking shit, just just being oh man, you would hear him constantly over the camera, just him just talking shit yeah, no, that would have been that.

Speaker 2: 1:30:55

I could see that and I could see the theme song making more sense.

Speaker 1: 1:30:57

But then we heard people I got that that actually would make so much more fucking sense yeah, nah, that, that's that.

Speaker 1: 1:31:07

That's a cool fantasy, yeah um so, uh, another promo on mine. It's not like super grand, but it was the start of what ECW became and that was when Shane Douglas won the NWA, nwa title and he switched it to the WCW title. Funny, you said, wait, shane Douglas, shane Douglas, when he says, when he basically said he says every person who held the belt before he. He says, you know, dusty Rhodes, I saw that promo, this, that, this, that, and it says that. And they go. Oh, kiss my ass.

Speaker 2: 1:31:45

I literally watched that, like on the few videos that I could see where they showed like whole promos, yeah, it was like a list of like the best promos. Yeah, yeah, yeah and uh, and I was, and I was one of the first ones on the list and I was like, like I watched it, I'm like, oh, okay, it's like names on kiss my heat, instant, heat, instant. I was like, oh, oh, that's rich, I like that.

Speaker 1: 1:32:20

That's like dipping a, that's like if you like cheesecake, that's like getting that scoop of cheesecake or that, whatever it is, and you taste it and that's premium quality right there. That's, whatever ingredients you use, premium quality. Didn't expect it to be that damn good, but that's a damn good cheesecake or whatever.

Speaker 2: 1:32:36

You know something of that nature, oh yeah now that, yes, that one was a good one, that and that was one that I said. Like, in my pursuit of finding ones, that one came up and I'm like, oh, all right, I see y'all on this one. There was one that I saw. You might know about this one. It was a ECW one and it was the Dudley Boys.

Speaker 1: 1:33:03

Anything the Dudley Boys did promo-wise.

Speaker 2: 1:33:06

And I think it was at a time when they had just became, I guess, like the six-time champions.

Speaker 1: 1:33:13

Was it when them walking out the ring and they became, I guess, like the six-time champions? Was it when them walking out the ring and they.

Speaker 2: 1:33:17

So one of the main things that happened was which Hold on? What was the Like they were? Because they was talking shit to somebody, to the audience.

Speaker 1: 1:33:28

Were they talking shit to the audience? Yes, yeah, because that was their thing was they would go out into the audience and talk so much shit and rile up the audience. That was just their thing.

Speaker 2: 1:33:39

Because, oh man, I can't quite remember what specifically that they did that time. And then they had like this other guy in the ring who was, like he kept on speaking in these, like these goofy ass rhymes.

Speaker 1: 1:33:59

Oh, gertner, yeah, yeaher, yeah, yeah. Joe gurner, yeah, which is that motherfucking guy? I'm sorry he. He'd be like joe gurner who always make the ladies her, so like he'll just say some dumb ass rhyme and it'd be like low-key kind of cooking, like it's sleazy, but he's like funny ass rhymes and he just comes up with him.

Speaker 2: 1:34:19

This was, this was the before john cena became a thing yeah, I know that yeah, he like he said some wild ass shit when he was during this particular promo and then they and like it was like almost like a 10-minute ordeal and it's like, literally, it was like the Dudley boys came out there glazing themselves and then just started talking shit to the people in the crowd. And then the guy who you talk about, he just comes out there and it's like he's building up to this point just to say the six-time tag team champion, the Dudley boys champion. Oh yeah, the Dudley boys. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And then they also had this like I forget I don't remember his name, but I guess their sign guy or whatever.

Speaker 1: 1:35:05

Yeah, dudley sign, dudley sign. They got Big Dick Dudley and Sign Guy Dudley.

Speaker 2: 1:35:12

Yeah, Sign Guy Dudley came out there and was giving his spill and so it was like and then another promo I saw was it was RVD with the TV title and he had the broken leg and all you're hearing is Bill just just fucking blowing the goddamn whistle the whole time, but I guess it was so the guy who is now known as Don Callis. Which boy, how the mighty have fallen. He had so much hair back then. Yeah, he had locks, and now he's bald.

Speaker 1: 1:35:53

You know, he was in WWE at one point. Right, what was he doing in wwe? He had, uh, you remember when, um, I want to say it's corgan or whatever. Remember the um, the odysseys? Yes, remember the big overgrown guy or whatever? Um, the one who in the game. Okay, he will always do the yes. So that guy, he originally came as like a big monster heel and he had like a whole militant behind him and he was running the militant. And I think he also was running the.

Speaker 1: 1:36:28

Oh, I remember that group yeah, that was him and then he left and then went to ECW.

Speaker 2: 1:36:32

Okay, I've seen him. Then he left and then went to ECW. Okay, I've seen him. Only in recent times have I seen him. Most of his. I've seen most of him in ECW, because he was supposed to be like some guy that was From the network yeah, he was trying to get ECW off the air, yeah, kind of thing. And then he was in TNA for a brief moment, but now he's trying to build the biggest group using brown noise as a theme song.

Speaker 1: 1:37:02

Is that what that is? It's brown noise, brown noise. Yeah, there are different styles of noise. There's white noise, there's black noise, there's even blue noise and then there's brown noise.

Speaker 2: 1:37:12

Oh yeah, that's okay, I'm guessing. So what is it that brown noise is supposed to involve?

Speaker 1: 1:37:19

I forgot what it is, but when next time you listen to it, it basically sounds like the intro to uh, the earthquakes theme song. Uh, or the the the natural disaster, that, yeah, so that's brown noise and it's supposed to be somewhat. It's somewhat natural to like this white noise that we hear in the background, but it also is a little bit louder. I forgot the full definition of it, but, yeah, like to listen to it, I can. I can listen to things and say like, okay, I know what noise that is, but that is totally brown noise. It's. It's weird, interesting.

Speaker 1: 1:37:54

Yeah, hey, that is, but that is totally brown noise, it's it's weird interesting yeah, hey, if anyone knows any more about brown noise, put in the comments so that I can read it and understand I mean I'll probably just pull it up for you because I know I haven't like notes and shit, but like off the top of my head because my years of uh audio background, there's certain things you remember oh, that's, oh, so that's where that comes yeah, yeah, yeah, because like remember when we used to edit music, like the biggest thing I hated was white noise I hate that yeah, like that.

Speaker 1: 1:38:21

Yeah, but just take that but intensify it, but it's not as sharp, it's. It's kind of like, it's kind of almost. It's almost as natural as you breathe, got it kind of thing so natural as you breathe, got it kind of thing so. But yeah, there's white noise, there's blue noise, there's black noise, there's brown noise. There's so many different types of noises. Side note, not related for anybody that listens to the rain sound effects on YouTube. That is literally somebody just cooking chicken. That's literally somebody just cooking chicken. That's literally somebody just cooking chicken popping grease. That's all it is. It is only cooking. You're not even getting any of those rain droplets. It's literally somebody cooking on the stove and putting a microphone to it.

Speaker 2: 1:39:12

Look, it up. See, I used to have there, used to be this website, and this is going way off topic there used to be this website that I actually used to go to and it was literally, it was literally like, like, called like rain, something uh, and like I think I knew someone.

Speaker 2: 1:39:28

Yeah, because we used to have it and I I would like I used to. It's fine. I this was during a time where I was like experimenting with sleeping. Well, I was like experimenting with sleeping. I was like I wonder if this actually helps me sleep. The answer is no, it didn't, but like it was nice to just it was really interesting to hear, because when you put headphones on, it's like it was an actual, it's actual rain and you like, literally you hear, like the like, you hear the, the drops, and then you actually hear the thunder and stuff like that, and then the lightning and like and it sounds like rain hitting leaves type situation. That same website used to also have, uh, ocean noises.

Speaker 1: 1:40:11

Yeah, you can switch to whatever you need.

Speaker 2: 1:40:13

Yeah, and I was like one, but it's like it would do the thing where it's like it would on that website. It would also change the actual background. So, like the rain one, it would look like. The picture looked like as if you was watching rain happening through like kind of like just a slightly foggy window looking into like a bush of leaves.

Speaker 1: 1:40:36

I'm gonna have to see if that website's still up, because I remember that website now.

Speaker 2: 1:40:40

Yeah, but and actually it was using that website was how I actually wrote the song Ocean Breeze. So there's that.

Speaker 1: 1:40:49

Interesting, interesting. Well, two more promos, let's two more that kind of come to mind and um kind of see where that kind of leads us for next episode. Do you have any promos that you didn't think of?

Speaker 2: 1:41:05

that's actually a funny question to ask. Oh, one promo that I put down, and this one was really good Eddie Guerrero and Brock Lesnar yeah no way out the my high one yes yes, that was such a good fucking. That was a good promo oh my god, that one was fucking soft I think that was the promo that got him the belt, though yes he won the belt that yeah, literally that pay-per-view what I mean like is in the probably the original program, he wasn't winning, because I think that might have been a thing.

Speaker 1: 1:41:36

And then, like Vince saw it and was like no, actually you're going over. Now you kind of have to go over.

Speaker 2: 1:41:42

Yeah, yeah, Because that, like, because it was intense and it was real Bruh Like it has such a heavy element of realness to it and it showed how much he wanted to get that title, which goes into why the current promo of mine, Hangman and Will Ospreay going into their match where Ospreay wanted it more, Hangman needed it more.

Speaker 1: 1:42:22

You know it's interesting. You say that too, because I feel like even the promo of him burning Swerve's house down, yes, hangman is just he.

Speaker 2: 1:42:31

Just knows man Him and Swerve's promo when he whose house? Oh man Him. And Swerve's promo when he.

Speaker 1: 1:42:39

Whose house? Oh yeah, Whose house? He just goes into his house.

Speaker 2: 1:42:42

Yes, yes, and I wish AEW could do that better and with everyone.

Speaker 1: 1:42:54

Or more or just Technically, more or better, and with everyone or more or just Technically, more or better? Yeah, both.

Speaker 2: 1:42:59

But the problem is I don't, they don't. They don't have entertainers, they have wrestlers. Yeah, that's what they have. Yeah, they have New Japan style wrestlers. Yeah, have New Japan-style wrestlers, new Japan-style wrestlers. Don't get on the mic and cut promos, they get in the ring and they make matches.

Speaker 1: 1:43:28

One more. Speaking of New Japan, this was the thing that I was already a big fan of, jane White, ever since he first came back to New Japan and his new gimmick of you know switchblade. But this promo when he finally won the new you know the heavyweight title. And then he's like you know, the audience is you know parading or whatever. And he's just like, yeah, go on, where is that? You know, it's interesting.

Speaker 1: 1:43:59

I left New Japan To do my Excursion Everywhere else Mexico and all that stuff as a young lion, and then I come back, nobody cared. But the part that hits me the most Is that I said goodbye to y'all, like y'all were my family and and this really meant a lot to me and it was sad that I was leaving I didn't care. And I go off my do my excursion to come back and the first time I come back I'm getting this bell. Where's my fucking, where's the sign that you fucking care? Aren't you supposed to be my family? Where? And he's bro. I'm like, oh man, it was just like he was letting it build. I was like, what is he doing? What is he doing? Where's my?

Speaker 1: 1:44:50

fucking, oh man. And then he goes backstage and he's like I am literally the catalyst of professional wrestling. If it wasn't for me beating Kenny Omega when I came back and took the US title, you wouldn't have an AEW. And I'm like he did leave, okay, and he's like and if it wasn't for me doing this, this and that you probably wouldn't see the bucks, you wouldn't see this, you wouldn't see like every situation really was him going against the person and changing the situation.

Speaker 2: 1:45:22

I was like listen, jay White's that dude? Yeah, he is. He has definitely shown me a reason why he should be liked as much as he is. I really feel like he should have stayed in New Japan, but anyway, wait, what a reason why he should be liked as much as he is.

Speaker 1: 1:45:35

I really feel like he should have stayed in New Japan. But anyway, Wait what? I feel like he should have stayed in Japan because he ain't doing shit in AEW. I don't think he's a WWE guy. I don't feel like he's a WWE guy. He wouldn't. As a worker he would be great there, but like as a, he just doesn't. To me he doesn't fit in what is currently the product.

Speaker 2: 1:46:02

Because he literally looks like Seth. Oh yeah, he wouldn't fit. I don't think he would fit in WWE as it currently. He wouldn't fit in WWE as it stands. Honestly, outside of possibly New Japan, AEW is where he is the best place for him.

Speaker 1: 1:46:16

Yeah, but they don't even know what the fuck to do with him. So it's like, bro, you might as well just stay in New Japan.

Speaker 2: 1:46:21

Granted, he's got a great theme song, the Bang Bang Gang.

Speaker 1: 1:46:26

Oh, you're talking about that one. I thought you meant the Switchblade.

Speaker 2: 1:46:29

No, that song is good too. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But like because on Collision the Bang Bang Gang came out there, I love their whole intro with the spotlight, the spin. That shit is fire bro. Yeah, yeah, like that goes hard.

Speaker 1: 1:46:43

They one time came out to 50 Cent's Miniman. You ain't see that shit. No, bro, the guns came out to that shit. It was like Miniman wish the fuck. It's actually legit. I don't know how the fuck they did that, but he actually came out to mini man. That's crazy. That shit was fire. I showed it to you after the pod, but like it's, it's a legit thing yeah, now I have to see that.

Speaker 2: 1:47:08

Now I have to I got to.

Speaker 1: 1:47:09

That's funny though, oh man, um, so uh, I kind of also want to leave the floor to you. If you had an idea for an episode next week. I mean, I kind of have some things you could talk about, but, leading it up to you, do you have anything that you is pressing on your mind that you would like to discuss?

Speaker 2: 1:47:28

I don't know. I really feel as if we need to just like have a whole sit down on the state of wrestling. Okay, like I have been seeing it and people and I guess, because we're like it's, we're in august, going into september, so like we're getting close to the end of the year, and people are like hard body saying this has been one of the worst years of wrestling what? Yes, apparently, like I don't know, I don't know if what we're comparing it to. I can at least agree that this year kind of has been a shitty year, I'm sorry.

Speaker 1: 1:48:11

Nothing. Everything beats the p? Pg era. For me, everything beats the PG era.

Speaker 2: 1:48:17

But what I think is the situation that's going on and this is something I definitely felt going back and listening to these promos and reliving some of these old moments it's like we, in the very beginning, were being fed. We've been being fed top shelf food, yes, for a very long time, or at they slowly gave us less good. We started going down a couple of shelves, but originally it was kind of being done at a rate where by the time you realize it and you're all like wait a second, what happened to all the top shelf food? You're eating fucking oats and shit, right. And then when Triple H took over, then all of a sudden everything felt like it was good again, but it's not so. I'm starting to feel that. And some of it was good again, but it's not so. I'm starting to feel that and some of it was really good. But there's a part of me that's starting to feel that like.

Speaker 2: 1:49:42

It wasn't so much that it was good, it's just that it was better than just eating oats.

Speaker 1: 1:49:52

So it's like Is the product that Hunter is making actually we?

Speaker 2: 1:49:56

have not been given top shelf liquor in a very long time. All right, like we ain't had top shelf in a very long time, but because we've been just drinking 40s on a regular basis. 40s is crazy. Whenever they give us a little bit of Amsterdam, we're all like, ooh, that's fancy and it's watermelon flavor. You know what I'm saying. But it ain't Grey Goose, it ain't that upper level liquor, it's not Ciroc. You know it ain't Ciroc liquor. But you know Amsterdam is nice. You know it's got a cool flavor to it. You know what I'm saying. And I feel right now, especially when I see some people who are all like nah.

Speaker 2: 1:50:51

AEW is great Nah, bro, you're just used to shit. Ah, aew was great Nah, bro You're just used to shit.

Speaker 1: 1:50:58

There was a time where it was good. There was a time.

Speaker 2: 1:51:03

That was mainly when Cody was there, though Cody Rhodes and CM Punk are the catalyst to AEW's failure.

Speaker 1: 1:51:09

How about this? How about this? How about this? How about this? Where right now, it feels like they're just boiling their food? When CM Punk and Cody were there with some seasoning.

Speaker 2: 1:51:20

At least a little bit of salt and pepper, a pinch.

Speaker 1: 1:51:23

Yeah, because I'm sorry. Like yeah, the MJ and CM Punk shit fire. And every once in a while, when you put Hangman and Swerve in front of us, matter of fact, it's the equivalent of eating McDonald's every day. And then, once that once in a while, you and your partner actually go out. When you go out, you might go a little fancy spot and that's a swerve and a hangman's sack. That is the equivalent.

Speaker 2: 1:51:48

So and then, comparatively speaking, what WWE is is eating ramen noodles. Eating ramen noodles, no, no, I mean, if you want to say WWE is eating ramen noodles at what looks like a high class restaurant, damn, you go to like this, you know, like insert fancy, you know japanese noodle, okay, okay name here I got you.

Speaker 1: 1:52:21

I got you basically going to a high-class restaurant and finding out they actually take frozen shit and cook it yeah, there you go, yeah, on some, on some good old chef Ramsay's type shit.

Speaker 2: 1:52:32

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. But because it has, like the on the cover of the restaurant, you know. You feel like you have to eat that you think you know, and they're making you spend 50 bucks for this small plate of scallops, but the scallops have been in the freezer for like 10 days.

Speaker 1: 1:52:56

They're not getting cut fresh.

Speaker 2: 1:52:59

But they look like it was cooked really good and you pay the 50 bucks for some 10-day-old frozen scallops.

Speaker 1: 1:53:09

Great value food.

Speaker 2: 1:53:12

Yeah, that's WWE. Right now they are overpricing their trash. Yeah, that's WWE. Right now they are overpricing their trash.

Speaker 1: 1:53:19

Oh yeah, and especially with the expansion of ESPN overpricing their trash well, what you won't find out here is we're not gonna be over trashing or overpricing anything of that nature. You can get the raw, uncut, filtered version of Me and Swag every week, when we're not going to be over trashing or overpricing anything of that nature. You can get the raw, uncut, filtered version of me and swag every week when we're back here with a podcast episode. So come back next week as we are going to be talking about the ridiculous state of this wild world, wacky world of wrestling that is current, and maybe some of the things that they can fix, some of the things they can do, some of the things that we feel would help the product. But overall, just know, every week when you're here, the ring is sacred, the questions are always going to be good, but destruction is always guaranteed. Swag, you got anything before we close it out.

Speaker 2: 1:54:13

Watch that we say this right and then like next week is nothing but banger shows, we close it out. Watch that we say this right and then like next week is nothing but banger shows.

Speaker 1: 1:54:20

We're going to have to put a foot in their mouth immediately, bro, like watch. Tomorrow Raw is going to be like all right, so swag. We're going to have to post a community post saying hey yo, so we already fucking up. I beg them to do it, because if we get another week of wrestling like we got this week, bro, like Bro, how about this as a funny ha-ha, if the next week of wrestling is fire, we got to put our hair in pigtails.

Speaker 2: 1:55:00

I was about to say how. But split pop, pop you have alright, sure we'll go with it just to make it a funny, just for the audience.

Speaker 1: 1:55:12

But that means they have to do some really good shit.

Speaker 2: 1:55:15

We about to go full. Alexa Bliss out here, baby hey. But we are friends though hmm, cause.

Speaker 1: 1:55:23

You know the whole Charlotte and Alexa Bliss. We're not friends thing oh god okay alright, guys. Okay, until next time.

Speaker 2: 1:55:32

We'll see you soon, oh it's the Masako and it's your boy. Swag Switcher in the building.

Speaker 1: 1:55:40

Until next time, have a good one.