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AEW All Out & WWE WrestlePalooza Review
The wrestling world witnessed an unprecedented night of counter-programming as AEW's All Out and WWE's WrestlePalooza went head-to-head. We watched both shows simultaneously to bring you the definitive breakdown of which company delivered the superior product.
AEW surprised us with what might be their best pay-per-view presentation of the year. Gone was the excessive blood, overbooked matches, and no-selling that plagued previous events. Instead, we got well-paced contests with meaningful storytelling. Adam Cole's John Cena tribute during the opener against FTR even generated a genuine Cena chant in an AEW arena – something previously unimaginable. Meanwhile, El Dorado emerged as the unexpected MVP, delivering jaw-dropping spots including a double hurricanrana that had us questioning if we'd witnessed the match of the night.
WWE's hastily assembled WrestlePalooza suffered from minimal production value and lackluster storytelling. John Cena vs. Brock Lesnar amounted to little more than a squash match with virtually no build, while the CM Punk & AJ Lee vs. Seth Rollins & Becky Lynch contest featured possibly the most bewildering officiating we've ever witnessed in professional wrestling. The referee completely abandoned enforcing tag rules, allowed illegal participants to remain in the ring for minutes at a time, and counted pins when the wrong competitors were legal.
Beyond the in-ring action, we explore Beth Copeland's surprising AEW appearance, the oddly intimate energy between Stephanie McMahon and Undertaker, and why counter-programming ultimately hurts fans who want to enjoy both products. Our lightning-round format gives you concise analysis of every match from both shows, complete with our unique grading system.
Whether you watched one show, both, or missed them entirely, this episode gives you everything you need to know about this landmark night in wrestling. The verdict? AEW significantly outperformed WWE despite the latter's star-studded lineup.
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Welcome to another episode of the Big Brothers of Destruction podcast. It's DeMasaCoo.
Speaker 2:It's your boy SwagSwitcher in the building.
Speaker 1:Man, we got to talk about fucking two pay-per-views. We're going to be doing these in lightning round because we got a lot to talk about.
Speaker 2:AEW had how many matches they had. A lot, I didn't even count. I'll be honest with you I didn't even count.
Speaker 1:So we had All Out and we had WrestlePalooza all in one night, Counter-programming as Swag likes to say it's not what I like to say, it is what it is.
Speaker 2:That's. It's not what I like to say, it is what it is. That's just what it is. Listen, palooza did not exist. And then, after we kind of programmed two previous pay-per-views using NXT, of course, now WWE's like you know what? We're gonna put our big boy pants on, we're gonna use our main roster stars against your all out. And how are we going to do it? We're going to load up with a bunch of people with the biggest names in wrestling universe, like Brock Lesnar, john Cena, aj Lee CM Punk, john Cena, aj Lee CM Punk all these big ass names. And I'm gonna be honest with you, this is a spoiler. It wasn't better. So you're telling me.
Speaker 1:AEW was actually a better pay-per-view. I.
Speaker 2:Now, oh shit, I will push to say by presentation this AEW pay-per-view was probably the best AEW pay-per-view all year. Okay, okay, view was probably the best AEW pay-per-view all year. Okay, okay, if, number one, they did not overbook their matches, they did not over saturate it with blood and guts there was some but like but compared to you. Remember that pay-per-view when Hangman and Kyle Fletcher?
Speaker 1:you mean you're talking about Will Ospreay and Kyle Fletcher there?
Speaker 2:you go because that match happened tonight, will Ospreay and Kyle in that cage and like just a bunch of flippy, flippy, overproduced craziness, ignoring the fact that we dropped each other on the head 17 times yeah, blood everywhere. And that was followed by like another match that just had blood everywhere. And the match before that was a match that had like blood everywhere, but it was a females match instead. I think we get where you're coming from, you feel me, but it was a females match instead. I think we get where you're coming from, you feel me. And how overproduced false finishes. No, selling all of that stuff earlier this year, that whole rigmarole, looking at this pay-per-view solid matches, not extremely overproduced, a relatively decent amount of blood and gore, but not enough to make you be like, okay, death match, foolishness and aw, give it to me, I guess like it was.
Speaker 1:it was oversaturated, it wasn't. Uh, it was, it was respectable, yeah, very respectable. There was like what maybe two technically two hardcore matches. Well, I mean, if y'all don't know, if you consider a ladder match a hardcore match, in a sense A ladder?
Speaker 2:match is not a hardcore match, it's a spectacle match. I would say Okay. Okay, they did have two death match-esque Matches, that being the coffin match and then the TNT match.
Speaker 1:No, you're talking about the. Oh yeah, I just realized that. Yeah, tax and tables and tax. Compared to Wrestlepalooza, where we got more sports entertainment, barely, barely, barely, bro, I'm just saying compared Nah.
Speaker 2:So prior, before we decide to get up on here, right, I put it into his mind that when we look back at these matches, we got to judge it in two ways. We can judge it by the match itself, but then we also need to take in comparison and take into account the buildup to the match as well, Because those are two very important things. At least that's what I believe. I think those are two very important things. At least that's what I believe. I think those are two very important things in professional wrestling the buildup to the match and then the execution of the match. If the buildup to the match was garbage, the match can only be allowed to be so good.
Speaker 1:It can't be a five star, it's only going to be so good. It can't be a five star, it's only going to be like three.
Speaker 2:It can't truly be a five star when you don't have the reason to build up to it. You know what I'm saying. And so, when we get to the Wrestlepalooza, you'll see the reasons why I wanted us to judge this by this way. Well, I mean, hey, we're going with Wrestlepalooza. You'll see the reasons why I wanted us to judge this by this way.
Speaker 1:Well, I mean, hey, we're going with Wrestlepalooza first, so why not, are we? I thought we was going to go with.
Speaker 2:Yeah, all out. Excuse me, yeah, we'll go all out first, so going into it, okay, alright.
Speaker 1:Lightning round. By the way, lightning round, well, I mean we got time. I mean just saying like in general, yeah, like we don't need to be going in full depth.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I know, I know, and I will do my best to not go on a rant about any of the things that have happened tonight even though Johnny. Johnny.
Speaker 1:Isn't it the one guy you watch?
Speaker 2:Oh no, Are you talking about JD from New York?
Speaker 1:JD from New York. There you are.
Speaker 2:Listen, I'm not going to pull at him. However, I think the funniest thing that he does do sometimes is like, whenever he's talking about the, as not just him but the wrestling community calls the sickos right. As a matter of fact, funny enough, aew has actually adopted that term.
Speaker 2:Like they just refer to their fan base as the sickos sometimes, which is kind of funny because they're just like you know what, we're not going to fight it, we're just going to embrace it, but like he would do this thing, where it's like, if someone says something, you're like, but JD, jd, but like he does this, he does that voice.
Speaker 2:He's basically mocking them? Yeah, he's like. But JD, it was a great match and everything. Jd, every time he does that shit it cracks me the hell up. But anyway, going into it, all out, ftr, edge and Christian, you mean C&C, jesus Christ, you right, I'm slipping Hope and Christian, there you go. Nope, cage man, I am not on my game tonight. Cage and Cole, wow, let me re-say how did you feel about the match? Let me re-set real quick.
Speaker 1:So there are parts of this match I didn't get the chance to see because I was coming from the store. But what I did get the chance to see was the homage that Pope gave Cena and that was the five knuckle shuffle, five knuckle shuffle, aa. And I love how AEW posted it later and said uh, adam, we see what you did there listen.
Speaker 2:I thought that I popped pretty good for that one I mean seeing the clip. I popped pretty much too because, like his aa, looked more like a dvd fair enough which, when you think about it, it's literally a dvd, but also a uh, a hip toss, which is also a you know, you could almost call it like a Death Valley slam, literally, because he's slamming them down as opposed to just straight dropping them, which?
Speaker 1:the way Bronson Reed be doing right now the Jagged Edge.
Speaker 2:Listen, fam, people like Bronson Reed are the only ones who should be doing Death Valley drivers bro, and I'm actually very happy that he's bringing the Death Valley Driver back. It's so mean. Listen, I used to look at the Death Valley Driver as like a finishing move, like back on the game. They used to have some nasty Death Valley Drivers bro. Yes, they did Like their Death Valley Dri drivers used to be crazy, but like, yeah, no, I will have to. As I look back over how this whole thing went, I think I still have to stick with it. I honestly think that this match was probably the best match of the night. The best match.
Speaker 1:The best match of the night interesting, even after all the okada and takesha, and which, when we get to it, I will say um, uh, what was his name?
Speaker 2:god damn, uh, dorada all yeah, that motherfucker. Dorada was MVP of the night. I will definitely say he was the MVP.
Speaker 1:Out of both shows. Easy, okay, okay, easy. You guys get breaking. That's why I don't say good shit about AEW.
Speaker 2:So you know I appreciate this shit and what made this, and this is why I wanted to bring everything into it. Yep, yep the build and shit the build to this match, though muddy still was solid?
Speaker 1:I don't think it was. I feel like you know we got a good meme out of this. Like I'm this, I get no host. This is, you know, from homeboy. We get that. And then you know we get the before the match promo where you know, ftr was telling Colt why they're mad at him. And then you know, I really enjoyed that, giving each other a chance to just say our piece real quick before we punch each other in the face. But I love how Cage did it, where he was like man, if I hit you, it's $100,000. If I hit you, it's $500,000. Well, good thing I don't give a fuck because I'm rich. And boom, I'm like that is the most baller shit ever.
Speaker 2:That was pretty great, that was pretty solid.
Speaker 1:I don't give a fuck but Wade Cage be dressing, bro. He gives you that like nigga. I got money dress.
Speaker 2:Listen, like I said, he's my asshole Coke.
Speaker 1:Facts, facts, facts. But overall, I mean, apparently we have Bethh uh copeland yes, beth copeland making her debut in aew, which I'm gonna say this right now.
Speaker 1:I'm gonna get close to the camera. I don't like this because, beth, you had this thing going on with wwe. You're pretty much a a legend in the in this standpoint. I don't know if you fucked up your chances of going back right now, but I hope you didn't Cause you. You, you kind of got a good standing with these people and for you to do what you did, I feel like you might've fucked up. I don't know, maybe, maybe is it, is it just me?
Speaker 2:I think that if it might have been not a good look I don't, I, I would not say that she fucked up, uh I don't think she can go back now I I don't think that she can't go back. I I I will say that personally, I see this as a direct reflection of like oh, seeing Puck and Bray his wife.
Speaker 1:I get it, but it's just like I remember when JoJo came back and she did the whole, you know, singing for Swerve and stuff, and they had the fireflies and shit and I was like I can respect that because they're technically paying homage to Bray and that's just something. Bray has touched a lot of people, so that's cool. But like for Beth to be here and I'm like you kind of like a WWE lifer, almost man, like what's going on? I don't think she's gone. I mean she's not. I just I don't know if Hunter is going to be like.
Speaker 2:I very well could see her literally coming back in the Royal Rumble. If, if, if.
Speaker 1:Well, that's because she's not in the contract we got to find out if she's All Elite.
Speaker 2:Well, I mean why?
Speaker 1:well, I mean, why wouldn't she be her?
Speaker 2:husband's there. We'll. We'll see if they put the all elite up. If they do, then we know she's cooked.
Speaker 1:I'm sorry you.
Speaker 2:You keep fucking up these names today copeland, right? Yeah, that's copeland beth I. I really hope she'd come with her own name, like beth firebird. Uh bro, I swear to god.
Speaker 1:I swear to god I would, I would instantly call you if I see it before you do. And I'm gonna, I'm gonna fucking cuss you out, bro, because y'all already four for four y'all, already, y'all already four for four, with all the bullshit from earlier, everything y'all were trying to predict. So I'm just like, bro, y'all better chill for four, with all the bullshit from earlier, everything y'all were trying to predict. So I'm just like, bro, y'all better chill, the fuck out.
Speaker 2:Beth Firebird lays.
Speaker 1:Chill the fuck out.
Speaker 2:And actually thinking about how everything ended. Because Christian and Cope got the W, yeah. And then the jump session began. Mama Wayne shows up with her baby boy in a wheelchair because he's got a broken foot. Mama wayne can get it, always and always mama wayne can get it. But then they're just off with the distraction. God dang, they get beat up, cope gets, gets chained to the the god dang ring ropes and stuff like that, and they put their hands on her spiked power driver are we talking about like rhino level spiked power driver.
Speaker 1:It was alright, if you remember the ECW spiked power drivers, he used to do the Francine.
Speaker 2:Oh like pop her all the way. No, she didn't do all the popping or anything, but she definitely got as well as things like that because they were about to leave. And then they were all like nah, and of course I like how Mrs Cope she just kind of sort of uh did the thing where she looked behind, saw what was about to happen, she kissed her husband and started throwing them bows my God, throwing them hands. Literally an AJ Lee spot, she's straight, which is funny because because this happened before that match, much, much before that match, much, much before that match, you could almost say that it was that they took it from, but nonetheless left or lying. Now everything is extremely personal and the story is continuing.
Speaker 1:So, overall, what would you? I'm not, I'm assuming are you still doing a Sonic ranking here? We can still Sonic rank it, okay. So from story to match Sonic ranking, what would you give it?
Speaker 2:Even though it was a bit muddy, I have to give it an A. Everything has been solid. I will agree With this right With the Copenope and Christian versus FTR, C and C, FTR run and now cause. Now what's happening is Christian's problem and Cope's problem are coming together which is forcing them to be which now they're even more so. Gonna have to work together, they have to deal with everything, and this story is getting it. Shout out to our Paul Bearer story, oh yeah.
Speaker 1:Anyway, I will agree on the A. I will agree on the A Mainly because just the Cena spot alone I think she was clallin bro, I'm sorry, like that. Would that technically?
Speaker 2:made it a B instantly, sam. There was a. There was a Cena chant in the AEW that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 1:Like that was crazy.
Speaker 2:You can't that automatically gives it a B automatically and this was just the first match automatically gets a B. So that automatically gives it a B Automatically, and this was just the first match Automatically gets a B.
Speaker 1:So both with the A's on that one, both with A's. Then we have King of the Bums, eddie Kingston versus Big Bill. It's a big piece of shit. So we go from having that banger class a match to this. It's a big piece of shit. Bam, shout out to big bill though you, you good, you good with me, you, good with me I don't know where to begin with the garbage of this whole situation.
Speaker 2:It was garbage I think number one. Now let me also preface this I don't, I don't care nothing about. No, eddie kingston, yeah you don't like any kings. I don't like eddie kingston, all right like. I've even tried to look at his old stuff, like when he used to be with LAX and TNA and all that stuff. That was actually good though.
Speaker 2:Besides the thing where they had the kid get run over by a car, like that shit. I'm like yo, this is wild. When I look at how he was then to now, it's almost like, honestly, comparatively speaking, it's like when he was like that Eddie Kingston was a character. The Eddie Kingston we're getting right now is truly who he is, and who he truly is is boring. He's boring and like there. I don't get the appeal outside of the fact that he just looks like somebody's uncle who shouldn't be wrestling anymore kind of thing, and maybe that's just the appeal. You know what I need to talk to, lord Zay, because Lord Zay loves him.
Speaker 2:You also? Can talk the story too, because ain't no talking the story on that one.
Speaker 1:I mean that's just like him glazing Brock Lesnar. You know what I'm saying. Both of them shits exist.
Speaker 2:It's just like him glazing Brock Lesnar. You know what I'm saying? Both of them shits exist. It's just that, like the match, before we even get to the match, the build up to the match what?
Speaker 1:was that there was no build. It was the fact that he just came back. That was it.
Speaker 2:Like Big Bill, just randomly, I don't know where, like hey, y'all remember that Kingston dude? Hey, fuck that guy Kingston, if you're out there, fight me, bitch. And that's really all that was. It was just minding our business and all of a sudden, oh yeah, fuck that Eddie Kingston guy and tell him. I said that I'll say it to his face and he probably too scared to come and fight me anyway, so maybe I'll see you at All. Out come, if you want to get your ass beat, build was ass match.
Speaker 1:The finish was his goofy ass backhand which, come, if you want to get your ass beat build was ass match. The finish was his goofy ass backhand, which I feel like at this point he does it because you know, as a wrestler I understand you want to be able to do a move that is not going to put too much wear and tear on your body and attack finishers are really popular now, which I hate it. I mean there are certain ones that's good, like the Claymore is good, the Buckshot Lariat is good, the Stomp is good, the Buckshot is sometimes good.
Speaker 2:Depends on who's hitting it and how they hit it.
Speaker 1:We talk about from Hangman alone, because that's his move.
Speaker 2:Hangman sometimes make the buckshot feel like it's something. So you're telling me Logan Paul's is better. You know, it's weird because I literally saw a video the other day of someone showing the ones that Logan Paul does and I'm like I think his are more impactful. Now a lot of people say the fact that his are bad and that he's going to break his fucking legs doing it, and I'm like I don't see it. I don't see the problem. He's very light on his feet. Yeah, I don't see it. I guess people don't like the way he does the flip, apparently.
Speaker 1:I mean, I feel like the way Hangman does it, it feels like he's practiced it more, that part, but like when it comes to the actual clothesline, I feel like Logan hits it like he's like throwing his body at you. Exactly, I agree with that bit so it's like one gets the flip better, one gets the clothesline better. So it's Buckshot Lariat better, one gets the clothesline better so it's, it's buckshot, hilarious buckshot, buckshot, buckshot.
Speaker 2:But it's like a kingston with his uh, his, his, his judas effect like straight noodle arms, bro. Oh man, that's straight fucking it.
Speaker 1:Because the problem with that judas effect kind of move is the fact that you turn around there's not a real safe way to do it without actually fucking somebody yeah, like that, like an actual combat sports that will legitimately knock you the butt out and so trying to do like.
Speaker 2:I don't know how Jericho manages to make it look slightly better.
Speaker 1:I feel like he hits this part of the elbow. You're correct.
Speaker 2:That's literally it.
Speaker 1:Sorry, y'all probably could hear me for a second, but it's like right here.
Speaker 2:Yeah, whenever he does it, it's like yeah, he's hitting that underneath the elbow part yeah as opposed to hitting the forearm or getting caught with the elbow kind of thing, but it's. But like. That was the P-Break match as far as I'm concerned.
Speaker 1:I mean I was driving home from the store at that point, so like it was, and uh, I will say I locked into because uh, swag told me he was driving to the house and he said by the time he saw that match he was like fucking a block in and drive faster literally I was all like, oh, let me pay attention to the road here so I can get to this thing.
Speaker 2:But yeah, no, and then, which of course, kingston wins, because you know, this is first time back in forever. And what kills me is the fact I'm like which I don't know, I, I didn't expect anything more, but it's like kingston comes back and he's still unk and he has hook now Send hook Unk body.
Speaker 1:You know, fucking noodle armed, and I'm saying that him losing to Big Bill, like him being Big Bill in a realistic situation.
Speaker 2:No, but then also him beating Big Bill. Who cares?
Speaker 1:That too. So ranking I'm giving it a D oh.
Speaker 2:Ranking that too. So ranking, I'm giving it a d. Oh, ranking over. Listen to me that it's a e, straight e, because there's, there was and that's the, and that's the big problem. If I want, if I cared about him, I would have gave him a much better return, like number one. I would have had him, I don't know. There would have been just a bit more flair and impact to the match.
Speaker 1:I'm giving it a D because of Big Bill. Why I like Big Bill, pause? I'm saying I like him as a wrestler, I like how he's developed from Big Bill. Oh, pause. You know what I'm saying. I like him as a wrestler, I like how he's developed from Big Cass.
Speaker 2:I guess so yeah.
Speaker 1:So I give it a D for that. Much Like his presentation now compared to back then. He's totally more believable.
Speaker 2:But I mean I would yeah sure I'll personally get Nah totally more believable.
Speaker 1:But I mean I would yeah sure I'll personally get Nah For two seconds, you legit thought about it and said, nah, fuck that shit, E it is All right. So we gonna have to really start lightning around it, because we already 30 minutes in and we got two shows to go, so um, so what's the next one? Yeah, Hook didn't make that shit any better nope, that's why I said big bill got the d pause pause her business gates of agony was.
Speaker 1:Okay, that was a, c, a c. I give it a c because the the build of like ricochet and his faction they're pretty cool. The only thing that really fucks me up with Ricochet is I can never forget when Hangman had him pressed into the wall, like I could never get that out of my brain, like you could never sell me anything on him. Being smart, you know, like a heel that you can find threatening because you gave me this visual, it has tarnished his image to me. He has to be a shit-eating fucking heel. He cannot be a heel that's winning from like pinfalls and stuff like that.
Speaker 2:That's why he's got his gates, the gates of agony.
Speaker 1:He did. That's why they didn't let him do the spirit gun. Anyway, as a Yu Yu hakusho fan, fuck you um but uh, but they let him do that move. But I I did like how mvp got back in the ring. His, his knees definitely aren't the way they used to be, kind of of almost looked like Ace Fuck Takesha. What about him? Remember how his knees was in that fucking lights out match.
Speaker 1:Oh, he was trying to move his knees was just like nah, bro, my knees ain't bending, my knees ain't doing nothing, Listen, I'm so number one.
Speaker 2:Ah, bro, my knees ain't bending my knees, ain't doing nothing. Listen, I'm so number one. I I give it a d damn, because there are reasons why that they're even doing this right as it's been, as it was shown, ricochet. And now let me first say the reasons why I even know this is because there was a video that was posted on the AEW website of Ricochet showing a time when he was trying to join the Hurt Business and they disrespected him. All right. That was online on regular tv. It was.
Speaker 2:It's never been explained it. They never talked about why they're really going at each other. It's just been like that they they did a really poor job of trying to get the story across of why these guys are really going at each other. And then, on top of that, they completely, throughout that whole, throughout this whole build, really made Gates of Agony look like pussies. Yes, agony, look like pussies, yes, and even into this match, it felt like like whatever, you like, you know how, when they'll be like all right, uh, you guys are going over, uh, 30, you know 30, 70 or whatever right. It felt like gates of agony was meant to not get any kind of offense because, as we know, gates of agony at least not counting. Uh, goddamn baldy, the two guys. They're big dudes. Okay, technically bigger than bobby lashley as far as height goes, but bobby lashley's wider, and they're definitely bigger than shelton benjamin. Why did I show benjamin bitching?
Speaker 1:these dudes out, because he, he's the golden standard, my nigga.
Speaker 2:Oh, okay, okay. That's why this match gets a D for me. All right D it is. That's why it gets a D for me Okay, so we 2-1.
Speaker 1:We 2-1 right now. All right, so also let us know what you guys think in the comments as well, what you guys think about these matches so far too. What would you guys rank them as well? We don't want to leave it just up to us. We would love to hear you guys' opinions too. But what's next up?
Speaker 2:Yes, please tell me if you like Big Bill and Eddie Kingston. I need to understand. Eddie Kingston's fame is needing to be studied at this point. For me, goddamn. Tnt match Briscoe MJF.
Speaker 1:I don't like that MJ didn't win Really. Yeah, I mean, I understand that.
Speaker 2:What is it about MJF? I don't like that MJ didn't win Really. Yeah, I mean, I understand that. What is it about?
Speaker 1:MJF losing. That you're not cool with. It's because MJF is supposed to be. They've really toned down MJF's power. He used to have very. He used to have like very his. His maneuvering as a heel normally would get him the w in situations like this. But he lost clean and normally it's like some shenanigans or something like that that would prevent him from winning in a scenario like this. But the fact that he won clean is like okay. So he's already lost to Hangman, he's lost to Mark Briscoe. What the fuck is MJ doing now? Like he's taking too many losses for me to respect him as a contender, because he also lost his fucking contract thing too.
Speaker 2:So it's like bro, it's because of the contract. The reason why I'm like it's fine and he can take this L Because he still has the contract.
Speaker 1:He stated he doesn't. Somebody say I could swear to God. Somebody stated he doesn't have it anymore. No, no, no, no.
Speaker 2:He can't hash in his contract. They changed the way the contract works. Now I know you have the whole week thing, yeah, yeah. He has to say, hey, next week I want to fight you and I'm going to cash in my contract to do so. I'm going to sign it. He can't just be like wait for at the end of the match between you know, hangman and Kyle and be like all right after the winner's done, now I'm going to cash in.
Speaker 1:He can't do that. I mean technically, he could have. He could have said a week from now, I will cash in after that match. No, it doesn't work that way.
Speaker 2:He has to actually have a match. It's no longer a cash in Because, as Tony Khan said, you have to. Once you sign it, you are, for all intents and purposes, you're not cashing in, you're scheduling a match with the champion, and the reason why he wanted it to be a week ahead of time is so that he can properly promote the match, and all this stuff to uphold the prestige of the title.
Speaker 1:Fuck that. So the match gets a B for me. I enjoy the build, I enjoy the, you know, bringing it to the back, then I'm almost setting them on fire. You know, for some reason, mjf being mic'd up and going into the production truck and talking to tony, which at first I was wondering if he was actually talking to tony, because he was just like talking and he would like cut tony off, as if he wasn't cutting him off. But then finally you hear tony. I was like, okay, so he was actually there. I don't know if you felt that too, if you noticed that, uh, I didn't notice that piece. Yeah, like, watch that part again.
Speaker 1:When he goes in the production truck and he just starts talking to Tony and like as if you know, we normally would see the cue of a person get ready to speak and then somebody cutting him off. It's just, you're only hearing it. So you're trying to visualize the scene in the room right now. Yeah, and at first it just sounded like he was just talking and nobody was going to say anything. And then suddenly Tony finally says something. I was like, okay, cool, he's actually having a conversation with him and not just doing this as a hey, I walked in here, I'm saying my piece and I'm walking out.
Speaker 2:I feel, because a lot of people actually criticized the hell out of that whole situation really like. A lot of people said that they didn't like it. That's crazy. I didn't have a problem with it. I can understand why people were all like had a problem with it, because they're all like it, because I do. I do personally think it would have went over better if tony was actually, if they were both on camera yeah, you can see their facial expressions and da-da-da-da.
Speaker 2:But like as far as like the visual and how everything went, like I'm not upset about it, like it's.
Speaker 1:I feel like the whole mic-up shit makes like no, like he just said hey, I'm gonna mic up real quick and I'm gonna walk in here and talk to Tony Like think that's also the part that a lot of people had a problem with. Somebody's a problem. Yeah, you won't hear it on the podcast. You're good, oh.
Speaker 2:But like for me with that whole part because I think it was supposed to be meant as if, like, you can just hear them talking through the fucking door, type thing, but I'm like it's way too clear they'd be like, cause they did muffle it a little bit to make it sound like it was through the door, but like no, which is why it's like, if y'all was gonna do that, just fucking show the whole thing. Show the whole thing, show it. But that being said, I also give this match the whole thing. Show the whole thing. Exactly, show it. Show. But that being said, I also give this match, mmm.
Speaker 1:I say out of match wise it was a B, though there was some nice spots in this match when I put everything together, because the story was also very muddy.
Speaker 2:If it was not for the story, I probably would have gave this match an A as well.
Speaker 1:honestly, that's what I was saying too. If BJ would have won, I would have given it an A.
Speaker 2:I don't know about that part, but like, definitely a solid B. Yeah, I was thinking B. Yeah, like, when you look at it as a whole, yeah, but because there's also this fact that because, like you know, with the way this has been built, this is one of those weird things where it's like Briscoe has been getting bitched out so hard this whole fucking time you know what I'm saying and so it's like for him to finally get his like one up in the match of his choosing and everything like that. It's it makes sense and it works. Damn don't you also.
Speaker 1:You gotta well. That's why I had an energy drink. You also gotta give it up to him that first tag spot was crazy, Like his whole back for the rest of the match was just tax Hell, no. No tax, for me though, absolutely no tax. I actually would do it one time probably, maybe twice One time.
Speaker 2:You have to give me some good. You gotta get Nowhere on no indie scene. Would you see me taking tax?
Speaker 1:I'm getting paid. I mean, yeah, see me taking tax, I'm getting, I'm getting paid. I mean, yeah, I'm getting paid for that. I'm not doing fucking tax, but I feel like I would do tax.
Speaker 2:I'll do tax one time, just just to be like ah, so uh, next match what we got next so after our briscoe actually I just realized I flipped the matches the the briscoe match happened and then the hurt business match happened you right, you right, you right but um. So after that we got banks versus reho.
Speaker 1:This is a d barely, I want to give it a e want to give it an E I want to give it an E and because of the dumbass interest from fucking you said Banks, by the way Monet, the dumbass interest from Monet.
Speaker 2:Like bro, like the guys with the belts bro, is it because of the interest you're giving it an? E? Yes, damn bro, it was a.
Speaker 1:D, but that interest was like that shit, was like that shit. Wow, that shit was goofy, my guy.
Speaker 2:I mean her whole gimmick is goofy. I mean yeah, yeah, actually she is just goofy.
Speaker 1:I will say this much there were certain moves in the match that I was like, okay, I like the presentation of how they were executing certain moves, the whole lung blower and the cold breaker she always does and then she finally hits her money maker in a way that makes sense and I think in theory, her brain was like I need to be able to do this on people who have similar builds than me, because any other person she would try to do who was a little bit thicker than her, she can't shift their body and go into DDT and at least with Rio, because she's a child, she's child, basically, size wise. When she flips her and she hits it, I was like, oh, she actually hits her finisher properly. Okay, I'll accept this. And that's what made it a D. I mean, um, um, uh, yeah it. Well it, the entrance made it a e.
Speaker 2:Originally was going to be a d because I just can't get behind rio, I can't, I can't get behind her I was about to make a comment, but I'm going to chill.
Speaker 1:What kind?
Speaker 2:of comment you got. Well, I was going to say the fact because you said you can't get behind her. I was like because there's nothing there, but this match the whole process. When you look at this thing right, it really is an E. The only reason why it was a D is because, even though I'm not necessarily super big on Riho Riho actually kind of showed her ass tonight, because I mean any match that has Monet in it.
Speaker 1:the other wrestler is carrying her. I stand by that. I stand, they make her look good. Every other wrestler makes her look good. It stand by that. They make her look good. Every other wrestler makes her look good. It is not Monet.
Speaker 2:I agree, at least since she's been in AEW. I think she was so much better in WWE. I do so too. But when it came to this match, number one, when you look at the build and I know I spoke on it a little bit there was no build. But, like you're correct, there was no build. She was having this whole situation with wins, and then Riho just shows up, stomps her one time and literally, and it's official.
Speaker 1:We have a TBS title match, oh, which I truly feel like Tony Khan just has a thing for Japanese wrestling and probably the women 100%, because, as I'm gonna back Jim Cornette on this one, bro Shorty, you cannot sell me her beating half the roster you cannot like. Funny enough though she has, she has.
Speaker 2:That's what I'm saying now and I also agree with that. It's really difficult to sell me on her beating half the roster, but one of the reasons why I gave this a d is because she could sell me on beating mercedes well, anybody can sell you that money it's monae.
Speaker 2:Come on. I wish no one has been able to sell me on Monet getting beat, since she's been here. No one's been able to sell me on that because, just like the build for this match, there was no selling. Riho shows up for the first time in like 15 months after we have all these females. Yeah, you got a point. Riho shows up for the first time in like 15 months After we have all these females who have been here. Why ain't it Prince Aminata? She's been having a bunch of matches and Queen, queen.
Speaker 1:Queen Aminata. Yeah, you said Prince Aminata.
Speaker 2:Oh shit, well, I'm all in a tizzy. You ain't even drinking, I know, right, Crazy, I'm all in a tizzy, you ain't even drinking, I know right, Crazy right.
Speaker 1:Maybe I should be. Normally I do be, but overall you feel like it's a D, I feel like it's an E.
Speaker 2:It's a D, it's an E. I mean it really should be Ass. It should be an E Ass. However, I have to give Riho her props because she made the match relatively worth at least watching.
Speaker 1:I won't give that much, but just like the outcome, I just did not want to see him on a match. I think I wish to see it. I don't want to watch him on a match. I just haven't found one that I've enjoyed in a while. So what's our next one After that?
Speaker 2:we got that crazy Wait, is it that one oh Takeshika, okada, okada and Dorado.
Speaker 1:For the title Definitely matching tonight. You know why. You got two New Japan guys and you also have, I think he's CMMO, cmmo. I think he would have to be technically, but he was the MVP of the motherfucking match, if not the show. He made this match where we already knew there was tension between Okada and Takeshi and we were just like, okay, cool, cool, cool Me, and you automatically knew who was eating the pen. Oh, absolutely.
Speaker 1:Because you're not selling this match yet. It has to be a one-on-one, so you put another person in here who can eat the pen. Build the story between these two. This is a new Japan wrestle kingdom match in the making.
Speaker 2:And the problem is, after this match, I don't think they're going to be able to top. Nope, because Dorado made this match worth watching. Yes, I feel, cause it's let me put it this way for me, I almost would have made this match of the night if the other two participants who are in the match were just as good as Dorado was. It's almost like Dorado was all like alright, dorado, so we're putting you in this match. Obviously you're not going to win and you're going to take the pin, alright, cool. And Doral's all like well, if I'm going to eat this pin, I'm going to show my whole ass, he said if I'm going to eat this pin, I'm going to actually eat.
Speaker 1:I'm going to go out there and eat.
Speaker 2:He said I'm going to get not just my shit in. Okay, he said y'all going to see my whole colon. Okay, he said y'all gonna see my whole colon Because he showed out. And I mean, he showed the fuck out.
Speaker 1:I'm talking and it's like one of those deals Double Hurricane Rana.
Speaker 2:Yeah, double Hurricane Rana's freaking. He had a dope moonsault lands on both of them. I'm talking reverse the freaking. Uh, um, what does he call that? That?
Speaker 1:the clothesline, god damn oh the the rainmaker, yeah, rainmaker reverse the rainmaker like a whole arm drag switch.
Speaker 2:Like bro he did his Lucha thing.
Speaker 1:And then he ate the pin. Yep, yep, yep, yep. I will say this match was an A Okay Build because there was technically no build. It's almost S no A. A. A is the top rank, I forgot.
Speaker 2:I mean, if you really would have wanted to push it to an S, which is crazy.
Speaker 1:but I mean, if the build was better, this would have been S If.
Speaker 2:Let me correct you. If there was a build, yeah, you're right that too.
Speaker 1:Well, they've kind of been building the tension you even said it before before like where Don Callis is like I have a Japanese wrestler, but I already have.
Speaker 2:You already have a Japanese wrestler, but this is Okada and he has a belt now but it's one of those things where it's like that it's one of those deals where that is the implied build. That's what I believe the build is that's the.
Speaker 2:I'm almost putting that story there, whether or not, if aew is actually seeing that as the story or not. Yeah, and that's the problem. Yeah, I shouldn't be guessing what the story is. Yeah, it's not like anyone behind the counter or the counter like the. The announcers are like really feeding us any extra bits or beats to the story. I mean, granted, they should not need to have to be out here spoon feeding the shit to us. It should be being told through the segments and all that other good stuff.
Speaker 2:So what do you think the record would be told through the segments and all that other good stuff.
Speaker 1:So what do you think the record would be then? So for me.
Speaker 2:I'm with you because it was a really great match. Yeah, but leading up to it I didn't care about this match. No, I didn't give a fuck about any of the stuff going on. No, there was no story, there was nothing that held me to it, until I saw Dorado putting in that fucking work. He's definitely going to be like Dorado gets an S-Rank.
Speaker 1:That's why I said that match almost went to S-Rank just because of that.
Speaker 2:No, the match doesn't deserve an S-Rank just because of that. No, the match doesn't deserve an S-Rank. Dorado alone deserves the S-Rank for this pay-per-view. Yeah, he gets the S-Rank. This match gets a C for me. That's crazy.
Speaker 1:A C, yes, you're not even a, b it's almost b.
Speaker 2:The reason why, the reason why I say it's a c is also because of the fact, like okada and and fucking takeshika did not do, anything, barely, barely. They had those moments of making contact and they were really good a little bit but it's like and I and I know we said this also in the mat during the match I was like, I feel like okada right now. Okada's doing the shinsuke thing.
Speaker 2:He just has a belt yeah where it's all like I'm just here to collect this money. I'm chilling like he's not. He's not going hard, like I think since he's been back, the hardest he's gone was with that match with uh, kenny omega. Yeah, I mean, because you gotta, you have to, and even then people still feels like he held back.
Speaker 1:But again, guys, what do you think in the comments about these two last matches we just talked about? Would love to hear your opinions. And also, if you're enjoying the content, please don't forget to like and subscribe. So let's go ahead into the next match.
Speaker 2:So this next match led us to a question, which is the difference between a casket and a coffin, and for those who did not know, a casket has four sides and usually has two different spots that open. That's a casket. 90% of the matches that Undertaker used to do in the more recent times, those were indeed casket matches Back in the day certain ones.
Speaker 1:Yeah, was the one Yokozuna, that was a coffin. That was a coffin.
Speaker 2:That was a coffin. This coffin match was not a coffin match, that was a fucking casket. Yeah, yeah, yeah, but we get it. I guess WWE has somehow bought, owned the rights, owned the rights to casket matches, which is crazy. But Mox and Darby, I think it was a respectable match.
Speaker 1:It was. And then we also placed bets on when Mox or somebody would bleed. And Story was right. He gave five minutes, I gave three. No, I was the one who gave five.
Speaker 2:Oh, I thought he gave five, so Story he went. He was like he said two.
Speaker 1:Damn two Shit.
Speaker 2:Y'all said mine was bold, what the fuck I did. And then he said, two, I'm like all right, that's crazy. Now there was a point in the mouth and he kept doing this kind of like wait, did he bust his mouth open? But he didn't. And I was like within like the first, like damn near like 30 seconds of the goddamn match yeah, that'd have been crazy, just like, oh yeah about five minutes and you know he started fucking zombie eating his ear and shit and they pulled, uh, they pulled a lot of.
Speaker 1:They put a lot of gruesome stuff in this match and you know, what can you say about this match? Is that? Yeah, it was a bit extreme. Pat came back that and he has short hair.
Speaker 2:Now let's, he's a girl man, now we can't skip over the this is murder chants oh yeah, this is murder thinking about it, right, we saw Can't skip over the this is murder chance. Oh yeah, this is murder. Thinking about it, right, we saw borderline cannibalism in this match. Yes, though it was a fork. It was a fork. That was like attached to a fucking switchblade because literally Jon Moxley reached Fling, so we almost saw to a fucking switchblade because literally Jon Moxley fling, so we we almost saw it's a shank, basically yes, literally a fucking shibby.
Speaker 2:yeah, freaking, and then what was there? The other thing was so there was the cannibalism biting of the ear. There was the shank, and what was the other thing that ended up of the ear? There was the shank. And what was the other thing that ended up going on, oh, oh, that's right, choking out with a plastic bag.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah, the Daniel O'Brien.
Speaker 2:The plastic bag choke. That's when the murder chant. Started.
Speaker 1:And Darby lost. I mean, yeah, he lost. I mean, yeah, he lost, and then he got put into a body bag, which then got put into a casket which they couldn't close the casket for some reason.
Speaker 2:Well, yeah, cause the casket was shot to hell bro yeah cause it was used to spots. But I will say happy that Pac's back though happy that Pac's back he looks good, just I'm not feeling the haircut. I'll be honest with happy that Pac's back, though. Happy that Pac's back, he looks good, just I'm not feeling the haircut.
Speaker 1:I'll be honest with you you basically got two people from overseas. You have Gabe Kidd and you have Pac now. So I'm wondering how that works well Pac well, gabe Kidd.
Speaker 2:He got dragged away on a in a body bag attached to a car, so he ain't seen him since that part I get.
Speaker 1:Well, I'm just talking about in general. He is a new japan guy and so he's coming over from japan constantly doing these shows, probably. So, uh, or he might be living in the states so he could do the state shows and then he makes his way to japan. Either way, um, I say this match was a c. Yeah, this match was a solid c? C. It was a match, it a. It wasn't a lot of story.
Speaker 2:I feel that I personally feel as if that, like him losing and Pat coming back, just kind of like it really stops any kind of momentum that Darby had.
Speaker 1:Yes.
Speaker 2:Like this doesn't do anything for Darby. This continues the whole death riders bullshit. Yes, now the backstage segment, which was him setting moxley on fire on a body bag yeah, yeah, put put him in a body bag, set the body bag on fire, and then they it's like as soon as they said on fire they could you're get a chance to cook at all? Barely.
Speaker 1:He barely got a chance to cook, which to me spots like that, it's like okay, why do it? And no offense to the spot itself, but you're not even giving us a chance to be like holy shit, it was just like it happened, it was done. It was such a like blink, it was gone. Yeah and so like senseless violence, as you like to say very much so, which this match.
Speaker 2:This match wasn't because, through with the story that was told up until this point, made it understandable why it was necessary, but because the way that this match happened, and especially with the way that it ended there, that means that this isn't going to be the end and it's going to have to be worse, which is weird too, because a coffin match back when undertaker would do it.
Speaker 1:It meant you were being written off for a while and darby just came back. So, like what are you doing? So that that's what really confuses me. I thought maybe moxley was gonna get some time off. You know, then, like death riders were gonna be like man moxley's still banged up or something like that, like them still trying to function without moxley for a minute.
Speaker 2:And no, moxley won there's a lot of weird story going on with the death riders. We have the whole danny garcia dumb shit going on who looks like a frat boy. Was we? We got? We got them trying to as they get chris datlander chris datlander to join. It's like that. And now we got Pac back. Where the fuck is Claudio? Claudio?
Speaker 1:Castanoli was there. Oh, he was there. Yeah, he was talking to Castanoli. Wait, that's right, he was carrying a coffin. He's been missing for a while.
Speaker 2:Wheeler was too. Yeah, I know Wheeler was there Because he also came out in the next match that we're about to start talking about, which was the four-way women's match.
Speaker 1:And was the four-way women's match and so, oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, because it's having a lot of chris thatlander, um, but yes, going into the next one, we have tony storm, we have, uh, chris thatlander, we have tecla who tecla tecla, okay, the spider. And who was? Was the other one, jamie Hayter, jamie, okay. Wow, I didn't even remember that was Jamie Hayter.
Speaker 2:It's okay. She didn't really play a big play in this match because she didn't win.
Speaker 1:I mean technically. The person that won surprised me.
Speaker 2:So, first off, I think this was the match I cared, the absolute least about.
Speaker 1:You know, I only cared about it because it had Toni Storm in it. That's it, and that's not good enough.
Speaker 2:I know it isn't. We were actually so not to dwell too long on it, but like a lot of people have been saying that Toni Storm has been stale, do you think that?
Speaker 1:I see like no direction for her currently. Yes, because, like she doesn't have a challenger who was opposing enough to be a threat, because she already beat Megan Baines, she already beat like half of everybody else, so it was like while it was time for her not to be champion. The only reason why it's stale is because AEW doesn't want to push anybody else in the female roster to become stars, and some people could say the the women's roster is just not, uh, charismatic enough to be a star like tony storm, because, like tony storm technically right now does not need a bell. She does, um, because she's just that over, she can get on the mic. She says one of her goofy sexual promos and the audience is going to eat it up.
Speaker 1:It was the fact that she was champion was because right now they didn't have anybody else that they could just put the belt on and then be like yeah, I believe that and unfortunately with Chris Statlander, because her presentation to me has been, eh, like I'm saying, okay, you put the belt on her, let's see where you go with this. If I get this generic ass, I'm a fighting champion. I take all challengers bullshit. Throw that shit out the window. You're not fucking Cena. I need some character with her, you know, and because I haven't seen character from her in a while, since she was an alien and then she was heel against Willow because she was like you're my friend, but you don't act like a friend, like it was just dumb stuff. So with Chris Statlander winning, I said okay, out of everybody else in the match I kind of would have preferred Spider. If anybody was going to win, I'd prefer her. She's a pretty good heel right now.
Speaker 2:I'm going to say just ditto on everything. Okay, you could not have said it any better than me. On that, yeah, like literally everything you said is exactly how I feel. Okay, when it comes to the tony storm thing, even down to what you said about stat lander and the spider, I honestly I would prefer her to win.
Speaker 1:I literally like she's been killing it right now, like Even after the match with Queen Amanata. Killing it Because, with what you said, now Toni Storm, as the babyface, has a good heel and they would have totally had a good fucking hardcore match, because the women's division have the best hardcore matches.
Speaker 2:Sorry guys, it's a damn shame, but yeah listen listen, I initiate like because that, because that's what it is.
Speaker 1:It is exactly what it is, bro, like I would have not, like chris statler, and I'm guessing like, okay, we're gonna go on this ride, let's see what the fuck happens. But at this point I will say the match, the build.
Speaker 2:Unfortunately, it's a D, it's a D yeah, realistically it was, realistically the build did not help it and then the match itself was not terrible, but it did not do what some of these other matches?
Speaker 1:did with their no story. You know what I'm saying? To me it was an E, but Tony made it a D. That's just how I feel. Now my personal opinion.
Speaker 2:Tony made it a D man, Tony's throwing like a straight-up clown tonight, though I ain't gonna fucking lie to you.
Speaker 1:I ain't gonna lie to you.
Speaker 2:I don't give a damn the big tag team ladder match boy.
Speaker 1:You know, and it's funny, you thought the Bucks was going to win this.
Speaker 2:I did.
Speaker 1:I was so sure that the Bucks were going to this. Nah man, I thought I knew bandito was like. Bandito is not gonna be no transitional champions because you did not give them this brand, this build of a tag team to suddenly remove the belts off from now I can see bandito losing the roh championship. I can see that because you know holding two bells and doing all that. I can see that. But, like when you look at this match, bro dito, you got bucks, you had uh don cal's family, guys, yeah, uh, which, josh josh alexander bro you could be, you could be doing so much better right now completely.
Speaker 1:I don't know if you've seen his tna shit, but like, oh, I've seen you I watched him go against eric young when he was the champion.
Speaker 2:Why are you wearing WWE, bro, Like apparently?
Speaker 1:he said he went there for the competition. Nigga, what competition, what. You only got three wrestlers that are like really the shit over there, and two of them are gone.
Speaker 2:Competition, competition translate as over there. And two of them are gone. Competition, competition translate as Tony Khan writes fat ass checks and I went here for the money. I mean technically, yeah, I guess, but he had to. There is no way.
Speaker 1:Maybe his boys were there maybe actually no, because TNA has you know what. Let's just move on. All right, so that's stupid motherfucker. I bet you he's probably kicking punching in the wind right now, like after when TNA merged. He is Like punching in fucking wind.
Speaker 2:He is a whole-ass goon for the Don Callis family. Basically, he is one of Don Callis family. He's one of Don Callis' family's jobbers is what he really is.
Speaker 1:That's what I'm saying, bro, Like why do you waste your potential?
Speaker 2:He's a champion, now just a backseat guy to Okada and to Keshka.
Speaker 1:Not winning, no belt.
Speaker 2:And Kyle, by the way. Yeah, all of them. Fuck Kyle Fletcher Hell he was going to be a backseer to wardlow if wardlow didn't tear his tit like he recently got injured again oh, bro, the night he came back he got injured.
Speaker 2:So when wardlow came out there and he like clothesline, uh, uh, the prince, yeah, he ripped his shit, he ripped his titty. That's why the next time you saw him, he was just standing there quiet as hell, just playing with his cufflinks and checking his Rolex because his arm hurt too much to do anything else.
Speaker 1:Yeah, bro, he's injured again get that shit, the fuck, out of here. So the match Jet Speed. I love this tag team. I don't know about you, I really enjoy these two. I don't know if you've been seeing their presentation recently, I feel like.
Speaker 2:So I think I would like. I would have liked them more if I didn't watch them get completely bitched out by the Hurt Syndicate.
Speaker 1:But that should happen, though.
Speaker 2:It's the fucking Hurt Syndicate and they're big dudes to tiny cruiserweights which is true, but I think what killed me on that is the fact like they did this whole. Their whole thing was yeah, y'all could beat us up, but we're gonna keep getting up and literally they get up her syndicate. Get back in the ring. Beat the shit out of them. They leave, they get up. Get back in the ring. Beat the shit out of them. They leave, they get up. And they get back in the ring and they beat the shit out of them.
Speaker 2:I mean, that shows you, they got you know baby face hard and then when the pay-per-view came, they got in the ring and they beat the shit out of them and we never revisited it, ever again Because they didn't want to lose so well.
Speaker 1:It hurts hitting the kid, but overall for this match you know Bucks are going to be Bucks they're going to do. Matt does amazing spots. The one he did off the turnbuckle into the ladder spot was fucking insane listen, god damn Bandino doing the moonsault with the ladder listen.
Speaker 2:The moonsault with the ladder, the goon doing that, sit out. Power driver on the ladder breaking it in half. However, they get major minus points because they did the WWE spot from the last ladder match. That happened on each side. Someone goes through a table, someone does this, someone does that. I'm like okay, guys, come on.
Speaker 2:I mean they was doing it all night because we didn't bring it up. But like we had John Cena, we had Rey Mysterio represented tonight, we had the Undertaker Tombstone with the pin represented tonight and then I guess you could say we had the ladder spot, the WWE latter spot. That took place, but I am glad Brodito won. I love their little. I'm like yeah.
Speaker 1:Brodito is Still saying Bang Bang Gang got a better interest. They got the best interest. Bro, I don't give a fuck.
Speaker 2:I need the Bang Bang Gang to get better and heal up and come back guns blazing. Pun intended, yes.
Speaker 1:But match-wise I would say it's a.
Speaker 2:C, a C yeah, you're right, it was a solid C. C Because, yeah, you're right, it was a solid C, because it was just there.
Speaker 1:It just happened. It was a good match, it was.
Speaker 2:The build to it was very lackluster, not enough to really make you super care about it, outside of the fact that you just want Brodito to just be successful.
Speaker 1:Yes, and they should have won, and they did win.
Speaker 2:However, something that I did get hype about is that jurassic express is back and they confirmed the things that happened where. What was it? The whole thing? When they showed like the whole you know they shot the adrenaline and and then he sits up and all that other stuff people were saying the fact that the person who was shooting the adrenaline they were like that kind of looks like a old boy's jacket, but like it was so speculative because it's not like we know what his fucking hands look like or anything. But people was really speculating hard. And then they went back and they re-showed the clip. But they re-showed the clip as like they fucking. So it's like he went to a grave, dug the grave up, dragged the grave I'm sorry, dragged the casket back to the, to the spot now that we know the difference and then it shows the whole part where he injects him and blah, blah, blah and then after he sits up and he's like sitting there, you see Jack Perry happy and and they went up and they went against the Bucs, the.
Speaker 1:Bucs. My thing is now are they heels the Bucs? No Jurassic Express, yeah. Baby face bro, which is crazy, because Jack Perry, jack the last time we saw Jack Perry, he was healing it up. Boy, that's what I'm saying. He can't be the scapegoat anymore. Is he going to go back to?
Speaker 2:What a lot of people have been saying online and wanting is the fact that they want Jurassic Express to come back, but be more serious and I think with the way that Jack Perry is now because he still came back with the jacket and all this other shit and so I feel as if we're going to get a more serious, more like we're going to get a version of Jurassic Express where they're not a fucking goofy troop of a gang. They're actually going to get some fucking shit done.
Speaker 1:They also tried to get their claim back together too, bro we don't have time to talk about that one on this podcast let's parking lot brawl, that one okay. But yeah, overall C for that match.
Speaker 2:I agree with the C, though Going on to the next one, though the final match of this pay-per-view Buck shot versus the Proto Star.
Speaker 1:I thought they were going to pull the trigger a little bit on Kyle Fletcher. That's crazy. I felt it. The way they sold me this match. It was like, would you actually do it? You might actually fucking do it. Like I knew in my minds of minds that hangman should be keeping the belt after he fought so hard to get it from fucking the daft riders. And I was like, but the way they were selling it it was like, are you actually gonna pull the trigger? Like you, you just load it up, or are you actually going to pull the trigger? Like, are you just loading it up or are you just actually going to go?
Speaker 2:with it. You're too kind to AEW, bro, you really. I can appreciate the fact that you was willing to allow AEW to take you on this ride to make you possibly sway to believe that Kyle was going to win this fam. There was no fucking way.
Speaker 1:Hey, look man.
Speaker 2:My brain said I know hangman's winning, but you might sell me on that, but I can give them the credit for real. It's like they really tried to build this whole match. They really tried to build it. But the problem is, when you look at Kyle Fletcher right now, he just got this title, all right, he done shit. He hasn't done shit, he has barely done anything with having that type. And then for him to just rush to try and go after hangman now j lethal ring of honor and tv title got it.
Speaker 1:Had it for a couple of days, got into a wherever we talk match with jay Briscoe won.
Speaker 2:That bitch came best in the world how long did Jay Briscoe have the title?
Speaker 1:he was. He was undefeated for like three years, I think and that's the difference.
Speaker 2:Hangman just got this belt bro he just got this.
Speaker 1:I mean, fucking Gunther just got his belt. He lost to the fucking Seth belt. He lost to fucking Seth. He lost to CM Punk, who then lost to Seth.
Speaker 2:I don't think that really kinda counts in this particular alright, anyway, let's go with the ranking. So what would you rank?
Speaker 1:on this match. I don't think that's. Let's go with the ranking.
Speaker 2:So what would you rank on this match? It was a.
Speaker 1:C. Honestly, you was wanting to watch that more than fucking Brock Lesnar and John Cena. Let's be real. Oh, trust me, you don't want to give that a higher ranking than a C.
Speaker 2:I'll say this Spoiler alert it was better than the Brock Lesnar and John Cena match that was happening at the same time as it, which that match to me was a C no, you telling me it's a D what the Brock Lesnar match, first off, because we're about to get to that, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2:But when it came to this match, right, because I didn't buy what aew apparently was pumping you with, it was predictable. The only thing I did enjoy about this match like most aew matches, the actual fighting in the match it was was entertaining. They put on a Broadway. They literally fought for damn near an hour Like 56, 57 minutes. Barn burner, yeah. And it was a clean win for Hangman. That dead eye off the top rope, yeah, the dead eye off the top. It was a good match, story-wise, extremely predictable, because no one believed Hangman was going to take this L. And to go back to what she was talking about with the whole thing with Gunther, it's one of those things where, when you look at the way that, the landscape of everything, it's like I can't do the whole transitional champion thing with Gunther because of when you look at the reasons why all these things happen, goldberg, it's like it's a very different situation okay and so that's that's why I'm like a little like with that, with that particular bit.
Speaker 2:okay, I think okay, but yeah, this match it was, it's to me it's a c because like the build-up didn't sell me, I I say C2. But the match was good, but because that build-up didn't do anything for me and I knew Hangman was going to win.
Speaker 1:I enjoyed that promo between him and that signing, though I enjoyed that Because Kyle Fletcher that's the part where it was like hold up His promo was that convincing of me to say, wait, you actually might pull the trigger?
Speaker 2:The promo was good. Definitely give him that. But I mean, hangman already has promo of the year in my book. So true, true, true. So it's like, which is the reason why it's like it's not any lower than what it is, because if the build was any more shittier than what it was at this point I probably would have rated a little lower. Yeah, but that was AEW overall. Overall show, wise, show, wise. This show was a. Yeah, no, I'm gonna say it was a solid B.
Speaker 1:I was actually about to say the same fucking thing, like I almost didn't.
Speaker 2:I almost didn't want to give it a b, but it earned it yeah, compared to what wrestle palooza did so let's get into wrestle. Yeah, let's go ahead and do that okay, first match tell me about this. John cena and brock l match.
Speaker 1:It wasn't that great. I mean it brought back the first time Brock came back and he like beat the shit out of Cena, which I don't know. Only in Cena matches where it's Brock beats the shit out of you. He doesn't do this with everybody else, it's just Cena. For some reason Cena just can't handle Brock, because any other match Brock has with somebody it's somewhat of a. It's just Cena. For some reason Cena just can't handle Brock, because any other match Brock has with somebody it's somewhat of a match. But when Cena does it, cena gets a couple of hits in, brock gets a couple of hits in and F5, f5, f5, f5, f5.
Speaker 2:Question why was this match happening?
Speaker 1:No fucking reason. It's because Brock Lesnar knew it was his is his Bell World Tour. And he says, hey, you're going to fight me If you're going to do this fell world tour. And that's it Basically, without even saying it. But that was it.
Speaker 2:This match, this bill, is the reason why I almost feel that when Saudi Arabia has a WrestleMania, John Cena is going to have to come back, Because this whole time this John Cena farewell tour has been a complete joke okay.
Speaker 1:What if his last match is at that Mania and he just leaves his last booking? That would be wild.
Speaker 2:And I would be stupid At that point. Now I'm really mad. Yeah, brock Lesnar shows up at SummerSlam, beats up John Cena. We hear nothing for weeks, months. Brock Lesnar, out of nowhere shows up, beats up Sami Zayn and John Cena. Brock Lesnar comes out to the ring, rips his fucking pants, rip my pants.
Speaker 1:Brock Lesnar comes out to the ring again, beats up Corey Graves Takes perfectly good at fights, by the way.
Speaker 2:In this whole process, john Cena cuts one promo and, in a nutshell, john Cena says I'm scared of Brock Lesnar, but I'ma fight him anyway, cause if you want, some, come get some, alright.
Speaker 1:So I'm saying to fight him anyway, because if you want some, come get some, all right.
Speaker 2:so I'm saying this shit was D, this was an E.
Speaker 1:I'd give it lower. You know what?
Speaker 2:I agree with you on that one, because then we proceed to have John Cena come out here which I have to thank your wife for saving me on this one Because John Cena come out here which I have to thank your wife for saving me on this one. Because John Cena comes out here looking like a whole ass minion with an army of minions with him, All these kids, Just for Brock Lesnar to come out here and we repeat SummerSlam, fucking 10 years ago, when he just beats the shit out of him. Suplex city bitch Beats the shit out of it. Suplex City bitch Beats the shit out of him in pencil.
Speaker 1:And that's it, that shirt. I would not. That's it. I hope at the end of this tour they just do a bundle on every shirt.
Speaker 2:We witnessed on WrestlePalooza a John Cena squash match.
Speaker 1:I mean yeah, we saw that at Mania. With no story. We saw that with Taker and him at Mania. But there was a story. Actually there was, yeah.
Speaker 2:John Cena wanted to have a match and he couldn't find one, and all this other stuff.
Speaker 1:No, he actually wanted to challenge Taker. He was haunting Taker.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah, yeah, that's right, because it started out the fact that he didn't have someone to fight and then he finally started. He went through on this whole tire. It's like I want to fight Taker. Calls him out, calls him out, calls him out, gets all the way to the does, squashes him and leaves John Cena laying. And that is the story. The story, this story is John Cena is afraid of Brock Lesnar and Brock Lesnar came back To just beat him up. No story, that's not a fucking story.
Speaker 1:Apparently that's his kink.
Speaker 2:I don't know what's under an E F. You know actually. No, what's under E? Continue, that's what's under E. Continue, that's what's under E. They didn't finish the fucking level. They didn't finish the fucking level. Alright, oh, ron Bronze versus the Usos.
Speaker 1:I wanted the Usos to win, but I'm okay with the outcome, jay.
Speaker 2:I hope you're okay, bro. Bro, he hit homie so hard and it's like it's so quick when it happens because he it's like he hits him and it's like boom. It was like split second, yeah, and as soon as it hit, you could see it.
Speaker 1:Yeah like. Instantly cut his forehead. That motherfucker was eating out blood as the T would say, please, yeet it Yeeting out blood, yeet, yeet, but he was yeeting out blood, all right, cool. But I did enjoy the fact that the Usos came back and their entrance and everything, but we got yeeting for almost like 10 minutes and that wasn't that much so, bro.
Speaker 2:What? The 10-minute yeet fest? Yeah, bro, I literally in the group chat was like yo, wwe is wasting my fucking time right now, bro, like during that whole process I actually watched the other match. Thank God we had both matches going on at the same time.
Speaker 1:We had two screens up y'all watching both pay-per-views.
Speaker 2:Yes, and honestly, I wish we would have left AEW on the big TV and put WWE on the small one, because within these two matches personally. We didn't miss anything.
Speaker 1:No, I mean the match, I mean Bronson Reed to me. Honestly, put the fucking belt on him, bro. Please Get that shit off Seth. Put it on Bron.
Speaker 2:Like Bronson Reed showed out tonight, and I love it, as always. Now my problem. I love LA Knight. He did not need to be here. He didn't, but and not only did he not need to be here, but his presence in the match did nothing did nothing, it was just, hey, la Knight outside of and actually only because of the fact that I think I missed it, but I think this match was a no-holds-barred match.
Speaker 1:I don't know, or was it? I don't think so. I think it was just a regular tag match.
Speaker 2:Okay, we're not going to talk about fucking which now that you say that I think it had to have been a regular tag match, because it started out as a regular tag match. It's just that la night just didn't care if they used weapons, which I'm wondering.
Speaker 1:If you know, that referee saw what he did and was like you know I'm not gonna work today.
Speaker 2:It's not gonna work today. Don't even get, we're not even on that match, bro match.
Speaker 1:Don't even match.
Speaker 2:Match was a D 100% A D, the whole thing from start, the match and the buildup to me is a D.
Speaker 1:I want to give it a C because that tsunami in the end was so crispy.
Speaker 2:So crispy, the reason why I can't give it a C is because there is story.
Speaker 1:I like I'll give them the fact that there is story going on with this match, but I I honestly they messed up for me when they decided to throw, just randomly throw la night into the match my issue also with wwe and their programming of matches is like you see the same matches almost every night on Raw, like literally you know how many times Braun has been going against Jey or LA Knight and it's the same matches. So like when you go to a pay-per-view and say, oh, so we're going to actually give you the same match, but now it's tag team, like that is annoying Stale Very. They've been fighting each other almost two months now and it's constantly. Every week it's now jay versus the bronze jay with la night versus the bronze jay, with this person versus the.
Speaker 2:It's like bro, every week, every friday you're fighting la night versus the bronze and jay comes out yeah, like it's the same shit.
Speaker 1:So it was mad, still Mad, fucking, still D move the fuck on what's next?
Speaker 2:So this match is interesting and to me, honestly, was the best match of the night, which does not say much.
Speaker 1:If you say that I was about to say.
Speaker 2:No, no, no. Stephanie versus Io Sky for the title.
Speaker 1:I knew in my mind's of mine Stephanie was winning that belt, Even though I know you said she was mad cold going into that match.
Speaker 2:Bro, let me paint the picture for you, okay, leading into this match, stephanie had two matches. She fought on Raw, just so happily, and then she fought on God dang. What was that?
Speaker 1:show NXT.
Speaker 2:NXT. She fought on NXT, okay. Prior to that, she had not had a match since August, okay. And then, prior to that and this was like early August, prior to that, I think it was like three weeks before was the last match she had in July. So it's like, leading into this, she has not been on TV at all. I mean like at all. No matches, no wrestling. You know like, right before what was it?
Speaker 2:Right before the last pay-per-view where she was supposed to fight for the title, she was on tv twice, once when naomi was talking shit to her, and then the next time she was backstage, like hey, so what's going on with my match? And then, like you know, nick, uh, not nick, uh, fucking, uh, adam pierce Pierce was all like I'm working on it, I'm going to figure it out, I'll let you know. And she's like, okay, and then she's just gone, while EO Sky is on every single night Because of Asuka, but she's consistently fighting. She's in a story that has nothing to do with Stephanie. So it's like, for all intents and purposes, this was kind of like an AEW-branded style of a match.
Speaker 1:Well, the only reason why what they did was because you know, they gave her that first match at Raw. Then they gave them another one, but both the time they went against each other were false finishes. Because for some reason, wwe is like man, these two fighting each other. Bro, you want to see this shit, right uh? Uh, okay, cool, false finish. We're not gonna give you a winner yet. Hey, you want to see this match again, right uh?
Speaker 2:uh, false finish was like, but those things happened like three months. That though that the time those two fought was like three months ago, during a time, as a matter of fact, when those two fought, io was still the fucking champion. Yes, first two times. Yeah, yeah, yes, the first two times io was still the champion. So they have not fought each other. Io hasn't been champion for like what? Three, two, three months.
Speaker 2:Now, two months, two months, okay, which means it might have been even further down the line, but nonetheless, with that, for me as a fan, yes, I really wanted Stephanie to win. I wanted Stephanie to win a long time ago, but going into this, I was all like Stephanie hasn't been doing anything. They're going to give her the belt. Then what's gonna happen, which now, that's the case, so we're gonna have to see what they do, but it was just like for me, I just felt like there was well, there was no build. There was really no build of any kind for these two, and so it's like eo sky she built this match on just her existing and being good and saying she really wants to fight eo sky on her own type situation like that's, that's all the build that we got and so, and then the match itself. The match was good compared to all the other matches. Definitely match of the night if we compared it all out of all the matches that have happened.
Speaker 1:Devil's kiss. Yeah, she did.
Speaker 2:Okay, I've never seen it for a second but if you were to compare it to like all of the matches that happened today between both not even close.
Speaker 1:You're going to say that's the match of the night, out of all matches.
Speaker 2:No no, no, no. Match of the night for Wrestlepalooza.
Speaker 1:Oh, okay, I was about to say what the fuck?
Speaker 2:But anyway, there's not many matches on AEW that this beats.
Speaker 1:Not even the Big.
Speaker 2:Bill versus Kenny. I will say that match beats the Eddie Kingston match.
Speaker 1:Yeah okay, so I'm giving it like a C yes okay, see it is, see it is.
Speaker 2:Congratulations to Stephanie Valkyr on the next one so we got punk family versus the man family fuck you for that.
Speaker 1:This match for me like I understand, I'm a simp for my wife too. Punk coming out there with that simp-ass jacket. Bro, I'm like what the fuck? Aj Lee's husband? Yeah, I was like, bro, you a simp, I get it. You simp for your wife, I get it.
Speaker 2:I mean, I simp for myself too.
Speaker 1:When it comes to this match I enjoy. I don't know if Seth and CM Punk are on good terms right now, because I know Seth does what he needs to do for the business, but the way they were working is if, like, they hash these shits out, Like, hey man, let's actually talk and fix the scenarios, because the way they're working this match you would think they were cool.
Speaker 2:If you saw the paychecks that they was getting.
Speaker 2:I'd be cool with my enemy too, If it meant that I was going to continue getting paid that kind of money put me in the ring with someone who I have a blood hatred for which I don't have any for anyone to my knowledge right now. But like someone who I don't like, I will. How much, y'all paying me for this match? And if I don't kill this man, I can do another match and get paid the same amount of money. All right, brother, let's do business. Let's do business, my guy.
Speaker 1:The build-up for AJ getting the tag and finally doing her stuff. This referee, bro. The match, Fuck. The match I think this whole moment needs to be is who and what the fuck was going on with this referee yo, what happened and what happened in this match needs to be studied all right, bro, like there was like okay for anybody that watches a tag team match you.
Speaker 1:You are aware that if you, your tag team partner comes out and has not been tagged, you have five seconds. Aew it's 20, which that would have made more sense. At least I thought it was 10, I thought it was 20 in aew it may, maybe it is, I could be wrong.
Speaker 1:I just know they. They wanted to give more time to it, but it might be 10, it might be 20, either way, it's longer. Okay, five seconds is how long your partner could be in the ring without tagging the match was 80% of them in the fucking ring and the ref did not count. Did not count to five.
Speaker 2:Did not Go ahead. The fact that there was literally a moment where the referee is just standing in the ring like Deadass, like if their switch was off, like an actual cpu this is a.
Speaker 2:This was this went for like a good like the last 10 minutes, this this was a non-sanctioned match like it got so crazy because, let it be known, this match was a tag team, an intergender tag team match. When the guy tags in the women, both guys have to get out the ring and the women come into the ring. There was a point where not only were both the women and the guys were just fighting in the ring and the referee was just sitting there. But normally men are not supposed to touch the women and the women are not supposed to touch the men and the women Are not supposed to touch the men and they was licking each other up the dumbass windmill.
Speaker 2:Like Becky Lynch, hit Punk and.
Speaker 1:Punk Punk.
Speaker 2:Becky.
Speaker 1:Becky and a sharpshooter. Yeah, Like Bro. Your comment was crazy. I won't Bro, your comment was crazy. I won't repeat it. Your comment was crazy, bro. That shit was like what you know when you're hanging out with your homies and one of them makes that one fragrant like what the fuck comment. That was a what the fuck comment. That came from Swag. I will not repeat it, but uh, it was a bro. What?
Speaker 2:the. I have never seen like I've seen a referee lose control of a match, but I think this is probably the most like I've never seen a referee lose control of match like like she did tonight.
Speaker 1:I'm blind, I'm deaf, I wanna be a ref.
Speaker 2:I mean she, I'm talking the, the sharpshooter is happening. She's all like what are you, what are you, what are you doing? You're not even checking. And then there's a point when they're doing their specials and their finishes to each other and they're not legal. By the way, the female are the legal combatants in this ring. Sam punk goes to pen seth rollins as she counts. They are not the legal people when she goes and she counts one, two and then, and then aj lee breaks the count, by the way, with the, with the goddamn claymore kick, damn near that that was uh the house call oh, yeah, it was a little more.
Speaker 2:Yeah, you're right, it was more to a house call. You said that then too. But it's like hits a house call and it's like, but why? They weren't legal, they're not even supposed to be in the ring. They should have been out the ring, like 10 minutes ago, like 30 like like it was. It was such a shit show, ridiculous. And then let's not also talk about the fact they're outside the ring. It was such a shit show.
Speaker 1:Ridiculous. And then let's not also talk about the fact they're outside the ring. It's a normal tag match. The referee is not even fucking counting, bro, what do you think? They literally spent like a minute outside the ring Literally a minute, and the ref was just like so y'all not gonna come back in the ring like that, but I, that's why I pinned that. That's that's why I do my job. The pin part oh oh, y'all doing a spot. Okay, I guess I'll wait. I guess I'll wait. Um, oh, yeah, you're back in the ring. Oh, wait, one, two, oh, you're a dude. Hold on. Sorry, I was supposed to pin you. I'm gonna pin the girls. And then, like it's just chaotic and overall, cause I feel like we could talk about this for hours, cause it was just like what the fuck?
Speaker 2:yeah, it was wild the match I'll give it a C.
Speaker 1:It was wild the match. I'll give it a C Same. Give it a C. The build was predictable.
Speaker 2:The build was fine, kind of Like. I still have a problem with it to a certain degree, but like the execution at the end of the day is like. Well, I mean, I guess I get AJ Lee Gotta take my W's where I can, I guess, but like.
Speaker 1:Also CM Punk, just completely staring at her ass on camera. Purposely, too Purposely too, he wasn't making no bones about it, no no, I mean comparatively speaking.
Speaker 2:That is his.
Speaker 1:That is his.
Speaker 2:That's all him right now. That is his respectful.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and he bowed to her. So I'm saying he be simping over his wife.
Speaker 2:I would Except for mine too. I simp for AJ Lee Shit.
Speaker 1:This is what it is. This is what it is. I don't know who I simp for, actually, because I't say Toni Storm, but I wouldn't. I don't. I love her character. I don't simp over her. Who do I simp over? I'm gonna have to get back to you on that. Let's get to this next one. Speaking, of?
Speaker 2:Well, I won't say simp, but can we talk about real quick the weird energy between Steph McMahon and Undertaker tonight?
Speaker 1:That shit, I was like bro Taker are you in.
Speaker 2:A Taker comes out to the ring and he's got the motorcycle and everything and he gets off, stops in front of Steph McMahon and he's number one. I'm like man. I don't know how he pulled fucking Michelle McCool. Because if Undertaker's game looks like that in real life, golly bro, she might have wanted him because it's Taker. I don't know what it was, but boy Undertaker came out there. He's talking to Stephanie.
Speaker 1:He's like we've known each other for a long time. There's like this weird like pitching going on Way way back, go way back, way, way back.
Speaker 2:It's like people in the chat are like y'all fuck. Are they?
Speaker 1:about to kiss Y'all fuck, y'all fuck. I feel like Paul, steph and Taker and Michelle are in a non-monogamous Maybe situation. They swap, or something, I don't know bro.
Speaker 2:Listen.
Speaker 1:That shit was painful.
Speaker 2:I mean remember when Undertaker was chasing after Stephanie back in the day, tied her to that cross, was going to marry her.
Speaker 1:Sacrifice her. So you're telling me she got some fetishes, all right, I mean you.
Speaker 2:I mean listen, you saw her, take her.
Speaker 1:Right Her titties was tinny Boy, listen I know those leaked photos you know she didn't like those, but like your titties is still tinny, I mean.
Speaker 2:I don't know. She did mention on the Jelly Roll podcast that they be sagging though that was like a that was such a random ass conversation that they got into cause. Jelly Roll was talking about the fact that you know that they lost weight, they sag, and she's like, yeah, I know a little something about sagging. And then it was. And then they started talking about how bro, watch the podcast, watch the.
Speaker 1:Jelly Roll podcast. You mean the episode where Jelly Roll? Podcast bro, you mean the episode where Jelly Roll was on her podcast. Yes, when Jelly Roll was on Bro go back and look at that podcast.
Speaker 2:It's actually pretty good because Jelly Roll's cool people and like his little story's cool. But like when they got on that random tangent, I was like, wow, stephanie, you really putting it out here.
Speaker 1:Huh, just uh I mean, a podcast is supposed to be where you're vulnerable and doing dumb shit like this. Anyway, congratulations for being in the Hall of Fame. Well, being inducted into the Hall of Fame, stephanie, my man, she deserves it.
Speaker 2:I don't care what people say 2000 Stephanie was peak.
Speaker 1:I'm all grown up. That is not 2000 Stephanie, that is 2000,. Like, I want to say like 10 almost. That's the Stephanie that is. That is 2000. Like.
Speaker 2:I want to say like 10, almost. That's the Stephanie I fuck Nah.
Speaker 1:Stephanie, I fuck with. You know my time, theme song stuff that's the one I fuck with.
Speaker 2:I mean, I can understand, why you might just because of, but most probably because of the theme song, not so much because of her, but like she was a heel, you fucking hated a little bit. Listen GM Stephanie McMahon.
Speaker 1:That's where I'm at oh, that means she was fine telling GM that, exactly bro listen when Stephanie McMahon hit that with the suit and you know when John Cena smacked that ass, now that I got know when John Cena smacked that ass, now that I got your attention when John Cena smacked that ass.
Speaker 2:John Cena, you're looking like a motherfucker.
Speaker 1:I'm just saying bro Hunter was probably like hey yo, cena, you get one smack, you get one smack. Keep it at that. Anyway, congratulations to you, stephanie. On to the final match. And let's Cody Rhodes, something, something, cody.
Speaker 2:Cody, cody Rhodes, oh man, not you Versus Big Daddy Claymore himself.
Speaker 1:I am not calling that nigga Big Daddy, nothing, hell, no, I mean oh, but you'll talk about Big.
Speaker 2:Papa Pump though.
Speaker 1:Holler, if you hear me. No, I call Big Mama Pump. Yeah, jordan, hell, yeah, wait, what Big Mama Pump? You know, that's what she called herself.
Speaker 2:Big Mama Pump.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and for a while she used to call herself Big Mama Pump. That's know, that's what she called herself Big Mama Pump. Yeah, and for a while she used to call herself Big Mama Pump. That's why she has the siren when she went for her theme song. Did you not know that?
Speaker 2:I don't remember. No, big Mama Pump shit.
Speaker 1:Yeah, like you can literally look up Big Mama Pump. For a while, before she became like more lean, she used to call herself Big Mama Pump.
Speaker 2:And then now, that's why she had the siren at the beginning of her theme song. I know the whole siren thing because she has a uh, you know a an appreciation for scott steiner and steiners and all that good stuff like I know that part. I just didn't know about the big mama pump stuff yeah, big mama pump, yeah but you over here acting like you ain't about the big dad, booty daddy, but that's cool. Cody Rose and Drew McIntyre's match it was a match it was a match.
Speaker 2:my problem is is the fact that once again, it was a no name build. I feel bad for Drew McIntyre because he deserves better than this. Like Cody Rhodes was gone this whole time, so like the build was. For me, the build was really non-existent and it's like the match because there was really no true, like you know, like getting their build for this. In my opinion, the match was extremely predictable Because, also, you know good and goddamn well, they're not about to make Cody Rhodes a transitional champion.
Speaker 1:I literally thought, because he was doing the fucking Street Fighter shit, he might have dropped the belt. But that was just me, I felt. Unless they're literally doing with the Universal title what they did with Roman, which I believe, that is the case. If you have the Universal title, you don't have to show up every day. Okay, I mean that much is already apparent, yeah, but it's just like damn bitch, like for real, like fuck, and literally the other belt is the workhorse belt, fucking A so.
Speaker 2:Like this match. D. The match wasn't bad. I still say d, so the match. So let me put it this way the match to me was a, c, but when you look at everything put together, uh, and, and, and the kind of win, uh, uh, finish, in my opinion, also with the whole. You know, the referee stopping drew mcintyre from kicking cody's head in, and then he, and now he hurt his foot and all this. So now this is going to give Drew McIntyre a reason to complain and all this other stuff, which means they'll probably have another match.
Speaker 1:It'll be a head-through-a-table match.
Speaker 2:Head-through-a-table match. That's such a crazy statement to say, because they be doing shit like that, though.
Speaker 1:Remember there was a match where the fucking stipulation somebody had to lose their fucking eye. Let's not forget that. An eye for an eye match. Do y'all remember that?
Speaker 2:Why that? Don't give me that smile, bro, don't give me that. What the fuck? That smile that you, like that look, you just gave to me, like what the fuck, what's wrong? That shit? Creepy as fuck. That's why, like as if you try, like that, the smile that you just gave me was like you was trying to bait me into something. It's all like because you know, because you know?
Speaker 1:yeah, you remember that match. Yeah, you remember that shit, right? Yeah, you remember that dumb ass shit. Remember that shit, right? Yeah, you remember that dumb ass shit. The eye for an eye match with a fucking loser had to lose a goddamn eye. Yeah, now you make me think I'm a Chucky dog. Shit, I'm in shock. That's how you looked at me.
Speaker 2:Yes, I remember the eye for an eye match, so you get it. But no, no, that's, that's, that's not a thing.
Speaker 1:Head through a table match the winner wins by putting their head through a table.
Speaker 2:No, y'all here sound like some goddamn Vince Russo type shit bro.
Speaker 1:Like that's just hope it ain't that. But anyway, I still say it's a D.
Speaker 2:No, I agree, it's a D.
Speaker 1:Get it the fuck out of here.
Speaker 2:I feel as if there was so many better ways we could have get to this point, but because Cody Rhodes isn't there, because he's doing movies and stuff.
Speaker 1:Another thing everybody speculated was that Orton might have interfered and caught a heel turn, but that didn't even happen. Nah, nothing happened.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and that's my thing Going into the closing about this pay-per-view. This pay-per-view was unnecessary. In a nutshell, this pay-per-view was unnecessary in a nutshell. This pay-per-view could have waited till next pay-per-view. Okay, we all know the only reason why this happened is because we want to try and drown out aew and, honestly, in the AEW versus WWE thing right now, aew came out on top AEW. Let me put it this way AEW came out on top and if AEW would not have chickened out and ran the same time, as WrestleFulza.
Speaker 2:I really feel like they would have fucked them up, they would have been fine. I mean, granted, doing it how they did now to me, I I think, makes WWE look even worse.
Speaker 1:Some people would have probably turned to the AJ Lee match, though I feel like people would have still did that. So if that was the case, that probably would have been around the time of maybe match three, if not number two. So If these would have been running at the time of maybe match three, if not number two, so if these would have been running at the same time, especially knowing it would have this probably would have the AJ Lee match.
Speaker 2:Probably would have landed either during the MJF Briscoe match or the Hurt Business match Because, like WWE's matches were, they were pretty quick compared to.
Speaker 1:Nah, they were actually longer compared to AEW's. I feel like AEW matches were going like.
Speaker 2:No, no, it's just that the WWE matches were just not that great, so it made it feel like they were.
Speaker 1:They took longer than they needed to. Maybe it's because that AJ Lee match that's the one I went to, Because the referee, couldn't get control, couldn't get get a new ref.
Speaker 2:Fire that lady, god damn.
Speaker 1:She, she in the match like I don't know what.
Speaker 2:I guess she forgot how to ref today. You know what?
Speaker 1:No, you know what Paul must have said in her head? Said, hey, yo, step the fuck back, just let him go, because they do got a headset on. Anyway, garbage C match. Oh, d match for Cody and Drew. You said D as well. Oh, absolutely Pay-per-view. Wrestle-palooza was a.
Speaker 2:D Like WrestlePalooza was a straight D as far as the pay-per-view scale, WrestlePalooza was not a waste of time.
Speaker 1:Yeah, like y'all wanted to be that with the next SummerSlam or WrestleMania. Get the fuck out of here. There wasn't even a stage.
Speaker 2:They tried to make. And what sucks about that is the fact that you look at Clash in Paris and you look at the production and the money that they put in the Clash in Paris, and then you look at Wrestlepalooza and you see the fact that yeah, no, we literally threw this shit together because we really wanted to counter program, to put this thing together, because making a stage in that time frame was not going to happen. No, it wasn't.
Speaker 1:It was literally the raw stage. That's what it was.
Speaker 2:Deadass, deadass, like they.
Speaker 1:Make stages again, bro Goddamn.
Speaker 2:I wish It'd be great, you know, give something a little extra to your pay per view, to, at least when you first gaze at it, like after the pyro and stuff goes on, it looks like it might be good just from the way the stage is set up, cause nowadays it's like oh, that's what the stage looks like. Alright, I guess it's just whatever you know. Like AEW, they had a nice-looking Titantron, like it wasn't super crazy, but at least it was something. But like, comparatively speaking, like these matches were very lackluster, they didn't really do anything, and like I mean, I guess they kind of progressed a little bit of story they got, they told a little something, but then, like the, but the matches themselves really didn't have much story to go into it. Aew, they're not so much any better, but they try, and I think that's the thing that is. The difference is that, like wwe, they feel like they're too good to try they don't have to try anymore.
Speaker 2:They don't feel like they got to. Yeah, where aew? Sure, there was a lot of matches that really did not. There was a good cut chunk of matches where it was all like the story's not there but, as as AEW usually does, and they finally step their game back up, they'll give you a great wrestling match and something new that they also did. They left things at the end of the matches to show that there is something trying to progress. Are you talking about AEW? Aew, yes, got it. They got stuff that makes it. They're progressing. For instance, orange Cassidy's apparently coming back. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2:They advertised that with the conglomerate coming back together and they kind of pushed that a little bit. You know what I'm saying. And then you know they got, and Briscoe's like Don Callis family, I'm coming for you now I got my MJF problem out the way. I'm coming for you, don Callis family. So there's that bit, what else that they pushing?
Speaker 1:there is the Jurassic Express.
Speaker 2:Jurassic Express and apparently they're going after the Young Bucks. So there is story going out from with that kind of thing. Pac is back. Yes, pac is back. Granted not the best story to be wanting to care about, but god damn it. I guess it's something to look forward to with the whole you know, Death Rider shit, Because now we know that this isn't the end for Darby Allin, it's not complete full despair type situation.
Speaker 1:I feel like they had to pull all stops out because you gave us a pay-per-view without Swerve and Will Ospreay. You got to give them credit that it was a decent pay-per-view without those two.
Speaker 2:For not having those two people. Like I said, looking at all the pay-per-views that they've had this year leading up to now, this has been their best one. This is their best work. This has been their best work. Some of those pay-per-views had better matches but overall as an entire pay-per-view but like overall as an entire pay-per-view as far as like what they did in the ring and what bit of story that they could get in, even though a lot of the story is not good, it's bad what they did this time. They did not overproduce these matches, because that's been their problem for all the pay-per-views prior Just super duper overproduction, 15 specials, all that. I didn't complain about the finishes and the false finishes, not once this pay-per-view.
Speaker 1:You know what you didn't? He didn't Swag, barely complained only for, like, the stuff we just complained about. That was about it. So we're going to say that All Out was a better pay-per-view? Absolutely, russell Palooza, you failed us. You took an ecw name and just, basically just threw it out there. So, um, I'm pissed at you, hunter, because I am a I am an ecw elitist. You. You will not fuck up my ecw, you just did so. Any final thoughts about tonight? Because it's we over almost what.
Speaker 2:Since 3 pm we've been watching wrestling but we've been wrestling, going for wrestling, hard as hell. I have to say, number one man counter this. This counter programming has got to go. I mean, granted, I'm not completely mad at it, because it's fun to hang out with a friend and you know, this counter-programming has got to go. I mean, granted, I'm not completely mad at it, because it's fun to hang out with a friend and, you know, hang out with the homie and watch wrestling all day. However, with as much as it's about to start happening, I don't need this to be a continuous thing, because there are other things I wouldn't mind doing on a Saturday. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1:I mean, I do appreciate it kind of on a Saturday and Sunday.
Speaker 2:Oh God yes.
Speaker 1:Just imagine if this was a Sunday, if this was a Sunday, I'd be pissed.
Speaker 2:I'd be pissed. Especially after watching WrestlePalooza and being like this is what you give me. I got to go back to work tomorrow. I got to go to work tomorrow and I'm staying up for this garbage.
Speaker 1:Yep, y'all expect me to pay $30 something. Why the fuck you didn't put Russell Palooza on a Sunday? Why did you have to do it with AEW on a Saturday? Man, fuck you Counter-rope.
Speaker 2:God damn bro, and the thing is, it failed. In my opinion, if this was what they were trying to do to like overshadow the posts and the talk and everyone you know giving their praises about All Out Russell Palooza, in my opinion failed, opinion fail. They did not do anything to make me think more about that show than aew show. Yeah, aew show was better and, honestly, now that I'm like looking at now aew changing it for them doing theirs earlier in front of WrestlePalooza, I feel, at least now I feel it really was a good idea, even though it made them look like they was like chickening out. But it's like.
Speaker 2:They got more eyes on that product. But it's like not only will it get them to have the right amount of eyes that they want on the product, but then it gives that whole situation of you watch this product. Alright, this was great. Well, let me see what Russell Palooza has to offer yeah, I'm hurt.
Speaker 1:Don't fucking referee shit again, bro. Literally that that expression alone is Russell Palooza. Let's just keep it a buck 100%, let's keep it a buck, but I would say final thoughts all out was better. I didn't get the chance to see like sit down and enjoy every match because I was cooking up a storm boy.
Speaker 1:His food was good um I made two whole chickens and some roasted vegetables and some mac and cheese. So I spent most of the day cooking that. But yeah, so I would say overall, tonight was a lot. I'm definitely going to sit down and kind of process everything, but I will say we got some good matches, we got some bad ones.
Speaker 1:It's good to always be hanging out with the homie, but my final thoughts are yay, wrestling, I don't really have anything outside. Oh, no, no, no, you know what, ma? The block is not hot. I'm not going to make the block hot. But thank you to VPN because I'm not buying to make the block hot. But, uh, thank you to vpn because I'm not buying espn. And thank you for vpn. Thanks, because I was. Yeah, thank you, stephanie man, for telling me to use vpn to watch fucking wrestle palooza on netflix, because that's what we did. Um, not by espn. I'm literally unsubscribe from Peacock because there's no point outside of NXT, but I can literally use the VPN for that too. So it's like, okay, wasn't paying $40 for that pay-per-view, which I'm glad it was $20 cheaper, but still doesn't change the fact that I already have Max, but now you got to make me pay $40 for that. No, so VPN, the fuck up we did. And I'm not saying where we watched it, but you know, appreciate those who do what they do I yeah, yes, yes.
Speaker 1:No is what it is, but thanks, stephanie uh, next episode, we got, we got to bring back the the bump berry.
Speaker 2:Uh, the the book bump berry you know, I never actually got any answers from whether if we should make it bbc or bbb, like no, there's that.
Speaker 1:Look again, what the fuck bro the fact that you brought that shit back up.
Speaker 2:Bbb, bro, bbb or BBC Book Bump Barry, or Book Bumper, cut what it is y'all what it is.
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