What the Botch?

Remember when wrestling was for everyone? When a family could afford tickets without taking out a second mortgage? Those days are vanishing faster than a jobber in a squash match.

This week, we dive headfirst into wrestling's accessibility crisis as WrestleMania ticket prices hit a jaw-dropping $32,083 for two nights. That's not a typo – that's more than many fans' annual salaries or the price of a new car. And that's before you factor in travel to Las Vegas, hotel stays, food, and all those hidden fees. Even regular shows like Raw and SmackDown now cost $107 for nosebleed seats where you're essentially watching the Titantron anyway.

What happened to wrestling's working-class roots? The Vincent Mann era understood that wrestling thrived when families could attend shows together. Now, under TKO's ownership, WWE seems determined to apply UFC's premium pricing model to wrestling, forgetting the very audience that built the industry. The cruel irony? This price gouging comes during some of the most creatively stagnant programming in years.

We also tackle Sports Illustrated's controversial women's wrestler rankings (Becky Lynch at #1? Really?), Raw's repetitive Vision storylines, SmackDown's anemic three-match cards, and AEW's frustrating booking decisions that waste incredible talent like Samoa Joe, Will Ospreay, and Okada. Plus, we introduce our new "Book, Bump, or Bury" segment where we debate which wrestlers deserve the spotlight.

Whether you're a longtime fan priced out of attending shows or just frustrated with current creative directions, this episode captures the growing disconnect between wrestling promotions and their most passionate supporters. Join us as we fight for a wrestling landscape that remembers its roots and values its fans.

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Chapters

• 0:00 Podcast Introduction
• 5:15 WrestleMania Ticket Price Shock
• 18:48 Sports Illustrated's Controversial Rankings
• 35:03 Raw and SmackDown Recap
• 55:05 AEW's Booking Problems
• 1:40:35 Book, Bump, or Bury Game

Transcript

SPEAKER_00: 0:09

And uh hello, it is another episode of the Big Brothers of Destruction podcast, and it's the Mazaku.

SPEAKER_01: 0:17

It's your boy, Swag Switcher in the building. Bring it and closer. Oh, yeah, pretty much do that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Pretty, pretty, please, pretty please do that. Also, you need to give me the little mic. I like we forgot the last time, but yeah, because you like pan out after the show.

SPEAKER_00: 0:33

But uh for for uh everybody else that's watching, um I have a mic stand that I have on my table, and uh swag would like one as well. And I have one present, but didn't have it available at the time I was watching WrestlePaloosa and all out because that was a lot of shit going on that day. But welcome to another episode, guys. Uh, today we definitely want to talk about some of the latest things that's been going on in wrestling as usual, and now we have a new segment where we're gonna just do book, bump, or bury, where we do random wrestlers. What will we do in these situations if we were general managers?

SPEAKER_01: 1:13

But do you have like a like a like a like a random generator thing? Or do you just have a yes?

SPEAKER_00: 1:21

Yes, I do, and but for this one, for this one, I actually took the sports illustrated bullshit that we got, like where Becky Lynch is ranked number one wrestler of all time, female-wise, and shit. So I took some of those and just randomized it and said, Hey, book bone for bear, what would you do?

SPEAKER_01: 1:40

You know, she's been saying that shit, and I I myself haven't actually looked because I don't care, but the fact that it like, so there's other people on that list, like is it what like is the list saying specifically like who they think are the best wrestlers like this year, or of all time, of all time.

SPEAKER_00: 2:06

Of all time, like female wrestlers. Like, I'm gonna show you, I'm gonna show you the uh I'm gonna show you the photo. So uh I'm gonna put it up on the screen for the audience. It says that Becky is above Charlotte Flair, and and I want you guys to know that Swag's getting ready to blow a fucking gasket just from the idea of Becky being over Charlotte Flair, but yeah, that is the the list right there.

SPEAKER_01: 2:40

You know what? It's not let me put it this way. It's not that Becky is above Charlotte Flair, Becky is above Asuka, Becky's above Bianca Bel Air, my bro.

SPEAKER_00: 2:59

You're not gonna sit here with a straight face and tell me you fuck with this. Oh no, no, I don't. I told you I said that shit earlier. It was dumb. It's stupid. Like, like, uh I mean, we had the conversation about China and you know how where we kind of saw her at and stuff like that. But like definitely Trish Stratus to me is is always gonna be at least like it. I feel like Trish is good at three. Trish is definitely good at three.

SPEAKER_01: 3:26

Um if Trish is good at three, Lita should be at two.

SPEAKER_00: 3:32

I feel Lita's four for me. Really? I feel because I feel like Trish and Lita, like, yes, they were great in our era, but I'm definitely putting, I'm definitely putting Asuka at one. Definitely putting Asuka at one.

SPEAKER_01: 3:48

Asuka at one is like just like if I was to fucking scrap this whole thing and and and redo, right? That's what I'm doing. I'm redoing your mic. Like, like I'm looking at it, yeah. No, no, like let's see here, because the people who are in the top five, uh, we can scoot Mercedes out of there. But like Oh, yeah, yeah, absolutely.

SPEAKER_00: 4:10

Get that shit out of here.

SPEAKER_01: 4:11

Sasha Banks, though. Listen, yeah, like I'm looking at, and the thing is, because it's really hard for me, because like Bianca and Belair, Bianca Bel Air versus Asuka is a really, really tough one. It's a really, really tough one for me.

SPEAKER_00: 4:32

Yeah, that's funny.

SPEAKER_01: 4:32

I actually don't know how to say which one of those would be first, and I almost feel as if the only reason why Becky Lynch is on this list is because obviously these people only start watching wrestling since I don't know, maybe like uh after WrestleMania, because it was after WrestleMania Bianca Belair has been missing ever since. Because none as and the same thing for Asuka. Asuka has not been in the ring wrestling a whole lot, she's been wrestling more now, but she hasn't been in the ring wrestling a whole lot since WrestleMania as well. So, because of those particular factors, I can see why this list looks the way that it is, I can see why Mer Mercedes is in the number five slot when she's clearly a number eight at best. You know what I'm saying?

SPEAKER_00: 5:27

So you so you're gonna so you're gonna pause on Alondra Blaze and not say shit about that yet?

SPEAKER_01: 5:31

Like you because So here's uh we're getting to Alondra Blaise, okay, because though I myself did not see a whole lot of Alondra Blaze, I saw two of her. And so it's like and rest wrestlers in history, like if I for me, Oscar, Oscar and Bianca in no particular order is in first place and second place, okay. Then you said Oscar who I said Asuka and Bianca in no particular order is in first place and second place. I believe I'm second that that's strong hands. They just strong hands, they just share, they share that, okay? And then after that, oh yes, absolutely. Yeah, yeah, yeah. We can shake on that, but then after that, we keep Trish and Lita, but I would flip them around. And then after you flip Trish and Lita, after you uh flip them, that's when we put Charlotte, that's when we put Bailey, that's when we put Alondra Blaze, then we'll put Becky Lynch. Okay, and if we were talking about uh Sasha Banks, I probably would have put Sasha in front of Becky Lynch. Sasha Banks. But currently, I can't put Mercedes Monet in front of Becky Lynch, which I can't put in front of China, so and that and the reason why I would put them in front of China is because China was not a great women's wrestler. Okay. She was a great, she was a great character, and she was a very important physical specimen and body for women in wrestling. But her but going on her, but specifically her in-ring ability, she does not beat these women on this list.

unknown: 8:05

Okay.

SPEAKER_00: 8:06

If we're going off of actual like boom bam, doing the bumps, doing this and that, okay.

SPEAKER_01: 8:13

Like, and the only reason why, like, the only reason why like China and Alundra Blaze are so much lower on the list is not because that they're not any, they're not good, but it's like the the women who I said before them are just so much better skilled and better wrestlers overall, in my opinion, than what they are. And not even saying that, like, from a super long shot, because Alundra Blaze, like, she was a legit badass in the ring, kind of thing.

SPEAKER_00: 8:57

Yeah, the match I watched of her was her against Bull, and that was the oh snap. Okay.

SPEAKER_01: 9:04

But even with that particular bit, I still feel that a lot of these girls now athletically style and look, freaking what they all the things that they have shown and they have to offer as far as strength and their just the way that they do things in the ring and how good they are, they're they're just they're just bred different than what Alondra Bray, what Alondra Blaze came up with. Like Alondra Blaze probably has dreams of being able to have wrestled women like this because it would have made her even better, but because she did not have girls like Charlotte, Trish, Oscar, you know, because she did not have girls like them to make her a better wrestler, you know, she had she she is as good as what she could be.

SPEAKER_00: 10:06

Well, I mean, again, again, the when you're looking from a WWE standpoint and where she the limited amount of breach that they had in WWE, yes, because there definitely were amazing women, especially in Japan, in fucking Joshi wrestling, like watching some of their matches back in the 80s and stuff like that, those women were going the fuck in. So if you seeing her over there wrestling them or them coming to America, which Bull got the chance to do, seeing her, seeing a laundry versus dump truck, oh god, that'd have been a fucking train wreck, but a good one. Okay, technically it's a barn burner, but uh yes, either way, looking at this photo, guys, I definitely want to get your guys' opinion as well in the comments. Looking at this photo from one to ten, where would you guys rank these women? And and do you feel like this is justified or in the current list? Do you feel like it's justified? Are you with the current list? Me and Swag definitely agree on certain things, but for a majority of the list that he gave, besides the Trish and Leader part, I can respect it. I can respect it, and uh I really feel like the Trish and Leader part, which is the case that we were moving. Also, your phone is going the fuck off.

SPEAKER_01: 11:32

Yeah, I know.

SPEAKER_00: 11:33

I'm just I'm like, I don't like who who's talking to me right now. Um, people. So uh that's normally what happens. We have the phone, but uh again, guys, give us your comments, give us your opinions on the list as well in the comment section. So uh let's go into the wild week of wrestling. Honestly, it's not even wild, it's fucking Snoresville. What the last couple of weeks, as we've been talking about, it's literally the shack emoji. We gotta we gotta come up with a better name for this shit. But like honestly, guys, when we're talking about wrestling throughout the week, we'll simply just send a message if one had watched Raw before the other one and be like, yo, bruh, Raw was Shaq emoji, just sleep, like you know what I'm saying. That and and the sad part about it was SmackDown came to our city, it was in Orlando. We could have gone to the show, and uh, one of the things that we as wrestling fans are dealing with currently is the fucking ticket sales. Like, Swag's brother, his sister-in-law both went to watch SmackDown, and yeah, his sister-in-law posted, uh, I'm here for the snacks. Ain't no fucking way he's spending this much money on some snack. I know she was joking, but like no fucking way, bro. With how these tickets are right now, you better be in the goddamn show. Okay. Uh, Swag, what's your opinion on these fucking ticket sales right now, man? Like, brother. My brother in Christ.

SPEAKER_01: 13:04

I do. Was it last was it the last uh last time when we were talking? Uh, I think we was talking about Restapalooza and how I was talking about how, you know, for the price of WrestleMania tickets, you could celebrate WrestleMania on even an even more grander stage without actually being there. Yes. I'm pretty certain that was last. So to reiterate for everybody, and I'm sure everyone has at this point seen it now. Earlier this week, uh, WrestleMania tickets went on sale. There's been TikToks about it. There's been some very extensive conversations about it. There are tickets for two days. Two for for for two days. There are tickets. I think the most expensive tickets for two days, it was 32 plus 33,000 for people. 32,000 plus. It wasn't just 32. I just don't remember the exact number off the top of my head. Actually, hold on. You know what?

unknown: 14:29

Fuck it.

SPEAKER_01: 14:30

Let me give you that exact number. I mean, let me pull it up because it was in the wrestling chat.

SPEAKER_00: 14:36

I mean, yeah, if you want to pop it on the uh in the chat, that way I can put it on the screen for everybody else to see.

SPEAKER_01: 14:42

I'll make sure I actually do that because uh because I have the I have it in the palm of my hand as opposed to on the actual computer screen. But um, so actually, it was a little well, it is it's still plus. So the the seats that he was showing here, and this is just to sit there. This doesn't include anything else. So we haven't talked about travel, we have not talked about housing, room and board, yeah, hotel, yeah, Airbnb, whatever you're doing. We haven't talked about transportation, Uber, renting a car. What we haven't talked about literally feeding ourselves. What in Las Vegas, by the way. What okay? Stop it. Stop it. Stop. No. Okay, you prefer me to do yeah? I can do yeah. I I would I would actually prefer you just sit there and just chill for a minute. Let me let me let me spit this foolishness real quick. And I will and I'll I'll give you back the floor afterwards.

SPEAKER_00: 16:01

I got you, I got you.

SPEAKER_01: 16:02

But goddamn, 32,000 and 83. Once in a lifetime. I don't know if that actually includes, and this is just the ticket. I I'm pretty certain there's still the whole the vendor's fee, because that because they because this wasn't at checkout. This was just when you go on the page and you click on the seat that you want, this seat costs that much for two nights, not including the parking, not including the vendor's fee for buying it online, and then the convenience fee, because I know that's a fee. And then, of course, we gotta pay Uncle Sam. So there's also taxes that still need to be included in this. And so$32,000, pretty much, essentially. If you round it up,$32,100. Actually, you might as well round it up because you still gotta, like I say, you still gotta add those taxes and shit.

SPEAKER_00: 17:14

It goes into the gear, the gear.

SPEAKER_01: 17:24

As somebody who has friends who are in the NDC right now, gear does not cost that goddamn much money. WrestleMania. As somebody who lives in America and have been inside of a fireworks booth, fireworks does not cost that much money. Pays for everything that they have to worry about for that day, I'm sure. And then some. Well, because I th because I know they do pay uh uh uh John Cena a good bit of money, but thirty two, like thirty-two thousand dollars, and that's just for one person, by the way.

SPEAKER_00: 18:32

One person, two nights, uh like in there, but yeah, no, I mean take in consideration that's somebody's yearly salary in like if you think about both tickets, like that's someone's yearly salary, yeah.

SPEAKER_01: 18:52

That yes, that is so is your listen. Uh let me put it this way that's not my yearly salary, okay? I don't make$32,000 in one year. Not$32,000. I don't. No, I don't. Listen, we're struggling out here, okay? It is what it is. I don't think we might but like the$32,000. I I literally make like like a couple thousand under that, but like$32,000. My last car when I bought it brand new didn't cost$32,000, bro. My current car that I bought used does not cost$32,000. I don't think I've ever physically seen$32. I well, I take that back. I see these tickets here. So there's that. I I've I've I've officially seen$32,000.

SPEAKER_00: 19:53

I'm dead. I'm freaking dead. You've seen it. Okay.

SPEAKER_01: 20:00

Bro, if I was to go back into that spill that I was giving about what I could buy with$32,000, bro, for$32,000, I could probably rent a really nice mansion for two nights Airbnb and invite all of my friends and your friends buy a big screen TV. Buy the food. You can cook it because you're good at cooking. Okay. And hell, I could buy the food, make you cook it, and probably pay you to cook it. It still have money left over as we all enjoy the food that you cooked and you got paid for to do as we watch WrestleMania in 8K on a fucking 85, 95-inch big screen TV. And I still have a whole lot of money left over because I know all of that that I just said would not cost$32,000.

SPEAKER_00: 21:22

Could you imagine somebody using it as a rap bar to be like, yo, I got so much money, bitch, I'm spending it on WrestleMania tickets. You might listen. That's how much money I got, bro.

SPEAKER_01: 21:33

I'm working on trying, I'm trying to figure out how to work that into a line right now.

SPEAKER_00: 21:37

Think about that, honestly. I got I got WrestleMania tickets, bitch. You know I got money. Uh-uh. You know what I'm saying?

SPEAKER_01: 21:46

I'm here on some. I'd be I make WrestleMania money, dog. I'm I make front row WrestleMania ticket money, dog.

SPEAKER_00: 21:54

Like shit, that's how much my shows cost. My shows cost uh front row seats at WrestleMania.

SPEAKER_01: 22:04

I uh you say you're getting paid, but are you getting front row WrestleMania tickets paid, bro? I didn't think so. Um but on a smaller scale, talking about how the SmackDown was here. Raw's going to be here in December in Florida, in the Orlando area. I looked up to tickets because I got an email. It was like, hey, we're coming into your city, and I'm like, cool, cool, let me see what they look like to touch the back of the building, the the the the highest, the highest wall of the Kia Center to be able to put my hand on it and have a seat that's sitting right in front of it is a hundred and seven for those who are in who for those who live in Florida have been in the Kia Center. I'm talking about section 210 at the tippy top. This man knows the section, probably. I do that's the those are that's the section that you buy when you're like, you know what, I'm in Orlando, raw wrestling's here. Fuck it, I'll drop 30 bucks.

SPEAKER_00: 23:27

I ain't gonna lie, I remember when AJ Styles was here when it was the Amway Center, by the way. Um, and uh I was there for when AJ came at the Royal Rumble. I remember watching that from like almost nosebleeds and then seeing that Titan Tron and everything. So special moments, special memories, but can't stand for this.

SPEAKER_01: 23:49

Listen, it's it is ridiculous. 107 bucks. I have tickets in my closet right now from when I went to go watch wrestling in the past, where I was sitting lower bowl, like the like two seats from uh from floor seats. Two seats from floor seats used to be like 130 bucks. Or at least you could get them at 130 bucks at certain times. Sometimes if you go there, you know, you know, uh before uh, you know, if you go there as the show is starting and they have some leftover tickets, you could get them for uh in double digit numbers as opposed to triple digit instead of triple digits. Bro, the inflation is real. I was telling my girlfriend the fact that like it's crazy how the people who made wrestling become as popular as it is, aka the lower middle class people, because the lower middle class people are the only people who actually care about wrestling. They no longer can go to the wrestling shows anymore. They can't go. There's no way they can go. There is no way I can take me, my son, and his mom to go watch wrestling.

SPEAKER_00: 25:21

You know, and a lot of people have a lot of gripe about it because like the Vincent Mann era, he understood that with the tickets, you're supposed to cater it to families. And those are the people that are coming and doing things. But like we all know that TKO and them wanting to see, hey, the UFC makes people pay so much money. We're not maximizing the best dollar to get these tickets out here for people to come. But then you have moments where like you, as a wrestling fan, you can't take your own son to watch wrestling unless it's indie promotions. You can't take him to watch the shit you you're currently watching nowadays. It's impossible. And speaking of which, there's that that one show in Deltona that I'm definitely gonna peep soon. So I don't know if you want to come out there, but I uh I want that car looks pretty cool. And there's another card I saw uh that has uh Patrick Clark on there, and I was like, they got him with the Velveteen Dream uh uh uh steel shot. And I'm like, man, y'all can't do that. Y'all can't do that, but um your best bet as a wrestling fan, if you grew up watching wrestling, especially us 90s babies, uh, you can't really enjoy the product now live. I don't even think I even because of these recent ticket stuff, like going to NXT would be lit again because it's very tight-knit, you know? But to go to a WWE show live, it just wouldn't hit the same.

SPEAKER_01: 26:58

Well, there's there's a the reason why going to a WWE show live wouldn't hit the same, is because WWE shows are garbage. And I think that's a great, and this is a great segue to get into how garbage they are. Because goddamn. So let me now I will say I had high hopes. I had high hopes for going into this week of wrestling, and the reason why is because of the plethora of crazy news that has come out this week, uh ESPN said exactly what we said that Russell Palooza was not great, it was dog award. Granted, these people were a little bit nicer than what we were, because where we said that we gave it a D rank, they gave it a C.

SPEAKER_00: 28:00

I think they had no, I think they were like, bro, we just signed this contract with them. I mean, it was definitely not an A. And it's cool, they have the same ranking system as us, you know, it's cool. But uh maybe they probably saw the pod and was like, man, these these guys didn't rank it right or some shit. But we gotta kind of rank it because we partner with them, but we gotta give them a C.

SPEAKER_01: 28:21

See, the thing is though, because I don't have the the specific verbiage in front of me right now, but I do remember the fact that they uh like so pretty much their gripes that they had were pretty much the same ones that we had. But they just they were for all autistic purposes, they were just nicer than what we were with what we said. Because we I think we we just we judged it a lot harder than what they're casual wrestling fans. With the way that they judged it, you could probably could almost say that, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah. They like they they but like but their reasons why they judged it were exactly the same reasons why we judged it that way. Like they they were all like, yeah, the Dream McIntyre and Cody Rhodes match was just kind of eh. Uh John Cena got squashed by Brock Lesnar. Who cares about that? And the women's match, the the for the heavyweight tiles, Stephanie and uh EO, uh, they stole the show and they made that pay-per-view worth the 30 bucks that people had to spend for it.

SPEAKER_00: 29:37

Or, or, or, or, or we you know, we know we do what we do. You know what I'm saying? We we put our eye patches on. You know what I'm saying? We we walking around you know with I mean pirates.

SPEAKER_01: 29:57

Well, I mean Stephanie Stephanie. McMahon literally told us just get the VPN and get it at the discount by using her name. You can just watch it on Netflix.

SPEAKER_00: 30:12

As a matter of fact, keep my iPad on deck. You know what I'm saying? It's ready.

SPEAKER_01: 30:15

As a matter of fact, I actually watched the last. Even though I still have Peacock, I got on my VPN. And I watched the uh the pay-per-view. Well, I didn't watch it live because I was busy Saturday. But like I watched the uh the NXT paper.

SPEAKER_00: 30:37

I I saw the ending, by the way, and I and a lot of people are really pissed about that ending. Like, not in the fact that he won, but like how he won.

SPEAKER_01: 30:48

Yeah, it was a little uh it was weak.

SPEAKER_00: 30:51

Yeah, it was like DDT defeated the Emperor.

SPEAKER_01: 30:57

Destroyer. We've seen this man fight two dudes at the same time on like three or four different occasions, and he beat both of the people. But fucking Mr. Starks comes up here and DDTs him three times, and that did it. But hey, maybe he hit him on his head hard enough, you know what I'm saying?

SPEAKER_00: 31:29

He had he hit them right in that dread knot. You know what I'm saying? You know how when you hit your dread down and you hit that. I don't know. Matter of fact, we got braids, you know how you press down something and the braid hurt. I don't know, maybe it's something like that happened.

SPEAKER_01: 31:43

However, it may be, Oba's no longer the ruler.

SPEAKER_00: 31:48

Yeah. But a lot of people in the comment section was like, oh, he he he's going main roster bound, which I don't know how I would want to see that right now.

SPEAKER_01: 31:59

Like with the current roster, like everybody, everybody who is in NXT at this very moment needs to stay there until next WrestleMania. We don't need no movement needs to happen until after next WrestleMania because for all attempts and purposes, the main roster is booked. It would appear to be booked solid as in everything is currently spoken for and there's no room for new faces, yeah. Right? Because in no way, shape, or form is this roster being booked solid, or at all, or at all, soft fucking gel freaking it there, it's not, it ain't great. Like, I will say for me, I think you had a different feeling, but like I actually thought after this whole uh them saying WrestlePalooza was a C when it was really a D, maybe a D plus at best, as far as a grading would go. But like after they got that whole situation, freaking Raw showed up, and Raw was all like, all right, well, we're gonna give you a real raw after pay per view. And maybe I have been subjected to shitty wrestling for so long that when I get lukewarm wrestling, it feels hot.

SPEAKER_00: 33:44

Yeah, no, because like it raw to me has been literally reruns, it's like the equivalent of yo, and this is not to knock baby boy at all, but like anybody that knows when you were growing up, baby boy was on BET like every day. It'd be like baby boy, which with baby boy later on at 8 p.m. and then baby boy tomorrow at five, like it's that often you would see the same shit. So that's kind of how Raw's been feeling, where it's like it's the same shit. I don't know how many times I brought it up to you. I don't know how many times I've seen EOSky run down the ring the same fucking way, which funny enough, it looks just like kind of the no mercy animations are whenever it's like somebody comes down the ring and it hit the ropes. He runs down the same way.

SPEAKER_01: 34:39

The fact that that was what you complained about kind of surprised me.

SPEAKER_00: 34:44

That's the only thing I complained about. It's just like it's it's the it's the repetitiveness of how it's like to me, it felt like it's not going anywhere right now. Like we know there's tension going on in that situation.

SPEAKER_01: 34:58

Well, see, that's the see that's the thing. I feel that specifically talking about the whole EO Sky situation, I feel as if that's the only thing that's actually been interesting. I feel as if that's been moving along quite smoothly. Like, compared to everything else happening on Raw, like what you're saying is going on is what I expect you to say about the vision. The whole vision stuff has been stop, I mean finish, but you go ahead. It's like the vision stuff, now that's the stuff that's just been like on repeat. The formula of the show has absolutely been on repeat. Show starts off, you get vision shit. Vision shit turns into what the main event's going to be that night, and the main event is vision shit.

SPEAKER_00: 35:57

It's always always the following two wrestlers are always involved: a braun and a jay Uso. You could actually just say an Uso, but it's a Braun and a Uso in some way, shape, or form.

SPEAKER_01: 36:14

Bronn, Uso, Knight and Punk. That's kind of sort of the the versus division. And for the last eight months, I'm sorry, not eight, the last like two and a half, almost three months. I'm pretty certain, I I'm almost positive, we have gotten every single possible combination we could ask for with all of those people. I think Jay has fought every single person of division at least once by himself. And then he has now almost fought every single person of division at least once in a tag team match. And then he is almost there where he has fought every single person in the vision at least once in a tag team match with his brother. And I do believe he has faced every single person in the vision in a tag team match with LA Knight. Yeah. But now that we've gotten the other Uso involved, now that Oose is working on his fighting every single person in the vision at least once. And he is simultaneously getting his fighting one, fighting every single person in the vision at least once in a tag team match with his brother and with LA Knight.

SPEAKER_00: 37:58

He already did that too.

SPEAKER_01: 37:59

Oh, yeah, no, like LA Knight, he's maxed out now. Yeah, he has fought every single person in the vision at least once, and he's fought in every single person in the vision with Jay and or the brother, the Usos. He has fought everyone in the team, everyone in Vision with the Usos at least once. Yeah. CM Punk has slightly done the same. And of course, with our every once in a while Roman's here, Roman's gone. Roman's here, Roman's gone.

SPEAKER_00: 38:34

Needless to say, he's literally a Kuma.

SPEAKER_01: 38:40

But it's like Yeah, let me tell you. But um, but it's like that has that not just has been, it just is extremely repetitive, and it's become extremely stale. Now, the EOS guy stuff, I don't think that's been repetitive. I think it's been of a necessary amount.

SPEAKER_00: 39:16

Because she's only run out there like three times, twice. Three times. The third time was they finally uh finally, I guess technically Oscar turned heel, but I'm like, but Asuka does heel shit normally, but okay no no no so so see where you're misunderstanding, Asuka has not been a she has not turned heel, she's been acting heel-ish, yeah, but she has now full-on turned heel. Yeah, okay.

SPEAKER_01: 39:51

And even then, like leading up to this, you know, up more up until like the more like within like the last month, like, you know, there's been like they've been like little signs, like, hmm, okay, I see you doing it. Like, this has been a night out of everything that has been happening in WWE main roster, okay. The EO Sky and a Buki Warrior story has been the most paced and actual gradual progression of a story out of everything that's been going on. Now you said she came out there three times. She did the there was the time that just that happened tonight where Asuka attacked her.

SPEAKER_02: 40:44

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01: 40:44

I know prior, she came out there to help Rhea one time. What was the other one? The third one was they finally turned on her. So it what I'm saying, I was saying there was so tonight when she turned on her, and then the previous time she came running out there was because she helped out Rhea. Um, Rhea. But what was the third one?

SPEAKER_00: 41:07

Well, the third time is when um Oscar was going against, I believe, was it Rhea or something like that, and she was trying to be like, yo, wait, what that was that the heel turn when she was trying to save her? Yes, that was the heel turn. Okay, okay, for some reason I felt like there was a third one, so that might have been, I don't know.

SPEAKER_01: 41:23

It might have been now, unless you're just now maybe you just don't like the storyline because backstage.

SPEAKER_00: 41:31

No, I love what Oscar and Kyrie Sang is doing. That shit's funny. Like, and the fact that during the turn, it's like Kyrie, you could see Kyrie doesn't want to do it, but it's like, but it's Asuka, that's the homie. I gotta do the elbow drop. So I like that. It it was just what I was telling you when I said the repetitiveness behind it, it's because like how you know something's about to happen, and it's like, okay, it's coming, it's coming, boom, right? And pointing out specifically that because it's the first thing that came to my mind. The the vision shit, like that's you know how you get in routine and you're like, okay, I know this shit's gonna happen, right? And you're correct. The only thing that was significant about Raw was that storyline, and that's the only thing that came to my mind immediately because everything else is the same. So that's why I was saying that it's starting to get repetitive. I noticed that, and I'm like, what's going on? Because everything else is normal shit, that's the shit they've been doing every week. Uh Uso versus LeBron. Fucking, well, Judgment Day hasn't really been doing shit because the titles haven't really got defended. Uh, we haven't got any Americano shit in a minute. Which what the fuck is what happened to that? Like, what the fuck happened to that? I think it's because still Chad is is injured, but they're just like, you're shelving it till he gets back, or you're not just like gonna expand on that, like the whole Americano universe. So you didn't watch Raw, is what you're telling me. Oh no, I watched it, I watched it, but I'm just talking about in general, like things that were going on at one point that are just like bro, bro, on Raw, we got the full introductions of the three grandes.

SPEAKER_01: 43:27

What are you talking about?

SPEAKER_00: 43:29

I didn't see that right there.

SPEAKER_01: 43:30

I missed that. Bro, you really was sleeping then. You really were sleeping.

SPEAKER_00: 43:34

Nah, that's I missed that sentence.

SPEAKER_01: 43:37

Listen, if I get it, I get it. I understand if you were sleeping. Because in my mind, like so the these things you're saying, I'm like starting to get repetitive three times? Nigga, are we watching the same show?

SPEAKER_00: 43:59

Like, um, but to to to to put put a like emphasis on it, raw was definitely it'd be it'd be the situation if you're doing the sat Shack emoji where we full on went to sleep for SmackDown, it's the like you got that little little wake-up moment or some shit like that.

SPEAKER_01: 44:27

Like Raw, and that's the thing, because like I thought this was actually going to be a great week for Wrestler because Raw, to me, came off with a bang. We got Cody Rhodes, the Seth Rollins, and even though the idea of having the champion versus champion for a fake championship title in a ring, like, though that's some very AEW type shit to be doing, in my opinion, like for this, which AEW, y'all should take notes, they actually kind of made me want to care about it. Because we have Seth Rollins here, who is who just lost this match, and now he's looking at Cody Rhodes, and he's like, his gear has switched because now he's looking at Cody, who is a champion again, just like how he is, just got his title back. But he's like, he's looking at Cody Rhodes, and he's all like, I know I'm the vision. But Cody Rhodes makes me feel like I'm not it. And I know I should be it. And and so, like, he code, so Seth, so now we got Seth kind of going through this whole mental thing of like, nah, I know I'm better than this motherfucker. I know I'm better, but am I? type situation. While Becky Lynch is freaking now that that whole segment, Seth, Becky Lynch out here, just like going off, just sounding like the annoying nagging girl in the background, while Seth is just sitting there in his thinking pose, just all like, I gotta make sure I book, but I I gotta be covered his ass. I gotta beat him. And she's always like, I feel so disrespected. We need to figure out how to fix this stuff because she's like walking back. I thought that was great. Goddamn, Stephanie comes out there as beautiful as she is, and her adorable accent and in in slightly broken English, like, love her to bits, she's great. Can't wait to see what they're going to do with her next. Because though I did not expect her to win, I am very glad that she won. Okay. But now it's like my issue that I had about her winning is the fact that, all right, so what are we gonna do about this story situation though? Because, like, you know, y'all didn't have her on TV like in in like three in like three months, y'all had her on TV like two times. So it's like, what are we what are we doing? Because y'all don't put this belt on a girl who, unless you watch NXT, which there is a greater population of people who don't watch NXT who watch Raw and SmackDown, you know, they're looking at this new girl. As far as far as someone who does not watch NXT, this new random chick shows up and she just wins the belt. That's that's the visual that most people have right now.

SPEAKER_00: 47:48

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01: 47:50

This girl who we don't know, who doesn't speak great English, who has this move called The Devil's Kiss, just won the title. Well, what are y'all feeding us right now?

SPEAKER_00: 48:05

Well, what about this? Like, do you feel the same situation when it came to Paige? Because we didn't see Paige, and then they gave her the belt, and then like they kind of ran with it. So is it I mean, I'm not justifying it, but like, do you kind of feel the same way when that happened?

SPEAKER_01: 48:24

So I can't say that I did because I watch NXT type thing. But yeah, but then watch it, so then it was it so that's why, so it's like there which going so going off of that though, it is the exact same thing. It's the reason why a lot of NXT people, when they come up, they die. That's why Bo Dallas, he was the sh was the shit in NXT. And he came to the main roster and all he did was Bo leave. And that was it. He's found his niche for the time being, but still, you know, that's like so with Stephanie right now. I hope she gets the page treatment. That'll be great. That's what we need to have. Because Stephanie, she is a main inventor, and they need to push her and promote her as such. They haven't been, but she didn't have the title then. She has the title now, so I should be seeing Stephanie as much as I see Rhea Ripley. Because even though Rhea Ripley has not been in the ring wrestling for the last three months all the time, she damn sure gets her TV time and she doesn't have a title. But she wasn't the number one contender. But here Stephanie Vakier is number one contender only makes two TV appearances in three months. Make it make sense? You can't make sense because they're not going to.

SPEAKER_00: 50:16

But so going off of uh Raw on SmackDown, we haven't got a chance to talk about AEW, which I'm definitely curious in your opinion on AEW.

SPEAKER_01: 50:26

Oh, listen, we haven't even really, I mean, we we slightly touched SmackDown. There's so much more to SmackDown than the little teeny, teeny, teeny bit that we said. And I'm when I say there's more to it, like not good, just there's just more shit.

SPEAKER_00: 50:42

I mean, yeah, we still gotta talk about that botch, but I was just saying, like, knowing that we're basically taking a big dump on what happened in WWE this week, I'm gonna be curious on what your thoughts on AEW are, but continue on with so AEW Dyno. No, no, I mean, are we not gonna talk about SmackDown? Like the whole box situation?

SPEAKER_01: 51:06

Oh, so if you want to just talk fully about Raw or fully about WWE and then just do AEW all in its own, sure, we could do it that way. So SmackDown was garbage. Um, three matches.

SPEAKER_00: 51:21

The juice under the juice in the garbage can, by the way. That's what it was. Not the garbage, the juice in it.

SPEAKER_01: 51:28

There were three matches. We start off with uh with having vision in my SmackDown, and they're and they're dealing with with Cody Rhodes. I did not care about this so much that I don't even know why Vision was there and what they had to do with Cody Rhodes. Oh, that's right. Because Cody Rhodes is fighting. Okay, I had to I had to I had to I had to catch up for a moment. So but I still don't know what all was said, but I just know the fact that uh Cody did make some some some things about Brock Lesnar saying the fact that, oh, I see your buddy buddy with Brock Lesnar again. Are you gonna jump ship and all this sort of stuff? Which then led to the bronze coming out there and they fought and that was it. You don't see Cody again for the rest of the night. Or the visual. So that happens. And so, like, after that, it's like no name tag match. I didn't see it. I actually don't even know who won.

SPEAKER_00: 52:42

Um the US title match was fun, that was great. But like I I watch WrestleMania, and WrestleMania feels like like obviously, since we're not growing mention and BFAB, like Gil Julia is is beating them. It's just like people are not really caring about the matches because it's like you're not making me a mention and BFAB credible in these situations. No, so yeah, Julia basically is just the equivalent of almost beating a jobber, almost.

SPEAKER_01: 53:16

Yes. Listen, BFAB and Me Chin, though they get this screen time, they have not they have not been billed as credible uh uh uh figures to the title, therefore, no one cares about them going against the title, and it's like Julia was on fire in NXT, and she's gotten here and she is ice cold, literally, and then they give her this extra person that that to join up with her, and it's it's it's a bunch of nothing, it's a whole lot of nothing, which I'm kind of sad because I was enjoying the idea of Roxanne and Julia when they first got there.

SPEAKER_00: 53:57

Oh who you don't remember Roxanne and Julia were tag teaming for a while when they first came to the main roster?

SPEAKER_01: 54:02

Oh, yeah, when they first showed up, yeah. Yeah now that would have been a great thing for them to keep on doing because I thought they was too bad. They was too bad, guys. You know what I'm saying?

SPEAKER_00: 54:10

But same heights who was like twin fury, you know what I'm saying?

SPEAKER_01: 54:15

Exactly. Listen, all all Julia is proving is the fact of yes, there's a reason why she lost the NXT title to Stephanie from the job. Stephanie's just better. That it is what it is. That's what we're doing.

SPEAKER_00: 54:30

You know what? You know what? I don't think it's um I don't want to say it's that she's better because Julia, Julia can go. I think it's really the booking. It's really the booking.

SPEAKER_01: 54:45

Oh no, it's it's 100% the booking. I'm just okay. Oh, oh, oh, I'm being I'm being a thousand percent facetious.

SPEAKER_00: 54:52

I was like, my nigga. Like, I mean, that's like almost the equivalent of saying the booker is like, but Stephanie's hotter. Like, because you know how strongly they book Rhea Ripley because she's hot to everybody. Like, granted, yes, she's a great wrestler, but let's be honest, you're putting her on the screen because everybody in your audience, minus the children, want to fuck her. Okay, all the adults want to fuck her. All the adults, okay. So you put her on the screen because whenever they hear this is my brutality, they are like, yo, it's Rhea. Oh my god, she's hot. And you know, for the normal wrestling fan, yes, we'll say that, but it's like also we enjoy her as a wrestler. But she is hot, very much, and I think she's aware of that the entire world, minus you know, those, uh, would fuck her. And you know, but no, no, no, yeah, no, like done deal, yeah. But now you look at Stephanie Vakir and everybody wants to receive the devil's kiss. Everybody wants to receive that.

SPEAKER_01: 56:03

I I'd prefer the chocolate kisses, but I mean, you know, make do it. Make do it what you get, right?

SPEAKER_00: 56:10

That's wild knowing your kryptonite, sir. Knowing your kryptonite, and you said the chocolate kisses instead, that's interesting right there. Like, I mean, so the queen, the queen, she is she is just as good. But just knowing you and your history, I'm like, okay, your kryptonite, not known to the kryptonite? That's crazy.

SPEAKER_01: 56:38

Oh, oh, wait, let me let me uh correct because now that I see what you're going at. No, no, no, no. I I what I mean by that is I would rather her give me chocolate kisses, but I will make do with what I get. Okay. Okay, okay, okay. Now, sure, Queen Aminata, that's fine. However, Stephanie Valkyrie, chocolate kiss.

SPEAKER_00: 57:14

That's what I was like, that's your kryptonite. That's your kryptonite.

SPEAKER_01: 57:21

Listen, she can devil's kiss with the chocolate kiss. I but anyway. The rest of SmackDown. That's that's that but anyway, that that's not the that's not the match that we got on SmackDown. Instead, we got the women's match.

SPEAKER_00: 57:35

Which that I'm like, as much as I've been about Tiffy time, I understand now it is time for her to not have the title. Like, I I know it is time for her to move on and allow somebody else to have the belt. But the issue, my the issue I'm having is on the SmackDown women roster, who deserves it right now? Naomi deserved it, but she's not here. She wasn't on the SmackDown women's roster either.

SPEAKER_01: 58:02

And for all intents and purposes, she had the belt.

SPEAKER_00: 58:05

So yes, but um what I'm I mean, I completely forgot which uh area, but anyway, Smackdown wise, I don't know who would um who could fill the shoes now that would be champion. Because at first we thought it was gonna be Jay. We thought they were gonna finally pull the trigger on Jay. And now, in two scenarios, we think okay, Jay's probably gonna win. Jade's probably gonna win. Naomi's here. Definitely Jade's gonna win. Oh no, in every scenario, wow, bro. Um so what the fuck are you doing here?

SPEAKER_01: 58:44

There was no scenario where Jade was winning anything, bruv. Let's be real.

SPEAKER_00: 58:49

You you you you you didn't think and some are saying they were gonna pull the trigger?

SPEAKER_01: 58:53

No, damn, I okay I I did not, I did not think they was gonna pull. I I will say there, I did not think they were gonna pull the trigger, but there was room for reasonable doubt. I will say that, but I will also say with how things was leading up until then, like there were other things that I figured would have happened to have kept her from winning. But instead, we got her losing clean. Now that I never would have been able to have guessed to happen. And it happened twice, technically, right? No, she has only beaten her clean one time, and that was at the paper. The next time that they fought each other, it was a double count out.

SPEAKER_00: 59:50

Oh, yeah, because of Nia Jax. You're right.

SPEAKER_01: 59:54

Nia Jax came in after the double count out. So Nia Jax didn't actually cost. Anybody, nothing. It was Jade picked up old girl, put her through the barricade, referee kind of 10. Referee uh rung the bell, and uh in the middle of her announcing, uh, both combatants were counted out, therefore, this match ends in a drop Nia Jackson, and then that leads us to where we're at now. Nia Jackson Jade and Tiffy, which I feel bad for Tiffy because like it's like Tiffy, she had it's like she does for some reason SmackDown just does not have women in the main event scene. The two women who could be in the main event scene are in a tag team with each other, literally, and so and they have the tag team titles, literally, therefore, all that's distracted, so it's like Tiffy, she's just kind of stuck in this Naya Jade vortex with no other females to fight.

SPEAKER_00: 1:01:00

They they um had an opportunity. I heard that she's trying to, you know, do a match with Nikki Bell at WrestleMania. Cool. Tiff.

SPEAKER_02: 1:01:20

Okay.

SPEAKER_00: 1:01:21

Oh Tiff Tiff apparently said it in a podcast or whatever. She said that'd be an ideal. It's like basically the two glamour girls of that those eras. You know, the the you look you can look but you can't touch, and it's Tiffy time, you know?

SPEAKER_01: 1:01:38

Um, just just call it Mariah May. Just call it where Mariah May. That there's your glamour right there.

SPEAKER_00: 1:01:49

Just fortunately, she can wrestle better than Nicki Bella, but um that's my opinion. But uh wait, you say that she can't? She can. She can wrestle better than Nicki Bella. Bro, I saw the greatest match in one of the greatest matches in AEW history with her and fucking Tony Storm. So uh absolutely, you know, that whole program between those two was amazing. I know she can go.

SPEAKER_01: 1:02:22

So the match was through with botches, Jade got her face split open, Niajax. She got honestly, same type of scenario, too. Literally. Although people are blaming Nia Jax, and I'm like, I don't think it's Niajax's fault, but hey, pop off queen.

SPEAKER_00: 1:02:41

Whatever. No, they if people people on social media are so quick to hate on something, like they don't ever take a consideration that it could be uh the other party's fault, it could not be that person's fault. Like people were saying that the Irish, the Irish whip was too close so she didn't have a chance to react. Yeah, it's a different literally comments were saying like she was so close. It's like they're you're not even fucking wrestlers. Like half of you are making these comments, you're not wrestlers. So you don't know what your reaction and her reaction time is. And most of the time, they normally cue each other in some way, shape, or form to let you know Irish whip's coming. I'm Irish whipping you into something. Like you you know it. Like they normally also choreograph, and funny, I want to talk about this later on. The Matt Cardona uh um the uh the video I sent you where he did a uh an episode or whatever, but a lot of times wrestling fans just think that things aren't as as talked through and um planned or organized. And some things are yes on the fly. But nine times out of ten, they either in some way, shape, or form, connect it and say, yo, I'm throwing you to the because like it just doesn't happen like that. And then talk about her reaction time and it it's it's ridiculous. It's ridiculous that people were getting on her about that.

SPEAKER_01: 1:04:04

But yo, people just want to hate on Naya Jax. Like, it is people just don't like Naya. People think that Naya's really out here, which in the beginning, well, at this point, I have no choice but to admit, yeah, she was fucking people up before. Yeah, I think she's better now, but like everyone's like, oh wait, a botch happened, so-and-so, Nia Jax. Uh, it's obviously Nia Jax who did it. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. But like, and I'm curious to know who they're going to uh say was the the reason why what happened with that uh Nia Jax not kicking out and the referee didn't count. Like it that was that was so bad. That was so bad.

SPEAKER_00: 1:04:52

So the the word is that technically Tiff also botched as well because like when she comes into the dropkick, she was way too late. Like apparently saying she's way too late. So to Jax's mind, I guess, whatever, whenever Tiff went for the pin, I guess she wasn't registering what was going on. And I don't think her eyes were even open because most people are aware, like if her wrestler's eyes open, you know, they're looking for the referee's hand, right? Um there could have been miscommunication that uh Tiff was dropkicking, getting Jade out, and then she would go for the pin. But apparently, since Tyson Kidd was the one that produced it, uh he apparently fixed two things. He had fixed one that people were thinking Jay was gonna win. He was like, no, originally Tiffany was gonna win. And then apparently there was a little bit of a miscommunication at that ending where Tiff was supposed to do the drop kick, pull her in, do the prettiest moonsault ever, and then boom, bam. Um, but it didn't happen like that, and now because of what happened with the count, they're thinking about going back to the ref rule of count three no matter what.

SPEAKER_01: 1:06:10

I didn't know that rule was gone, number one. I didn't know either. But I want to know, because it's like the only thing I can think of is that like the with the way that it looks, I'm like, was Jade supposed to pull the referee's leg to stop the count? Because at this point, Jade's face is still completely sliced the fuck open, kind of thing. But it's like she drop kicked her and she went rolling. And so what did the ref think that there was supposed to be more happening in the match and there was supposed to be a kick out right then? Or was it a situation where because it's like Naya, she's lying there, and I'm guessing Naya had but it is because I I didn't like you can't hear I couldn't hear it clearly enough. Because I'll be honest, I really wasn't watching this match. Let me let me let me let you know now. This match was on, like if this match was on, if the match is on right here, I'm playing the game right here. Okay, I can hear the match happening, but I'm playing the game. You know why? Because there was not any ounce of doubt in my body that Tiffany wasn't going to win this match. It was predictable, therefore I didn't worry about it. I was only gonna pay attention to it for the shit that happens after the match, just in case if there was any kind of top fool. Because I'm like, all right, Tiffany's gonna win, cool. Just uh feed me what's next type situation. That's where I was with that match. But in lieu of all that, all of these crazy mess ups and botches and freaking what was it? So there was there was the messed up count. Tiffany caught her foot on the rope doing a suicide dive, and then old girl got her face cut open.

SPEAKER_00: 1:08:17

Yeah, I forgot about that one.

SPEAKER_01: 1:08:20

That was that was the first that was the main one that I saw.

SPEAKER_00: 1:08:23

I was like, God damn. The main one we all saw, like you couldn't you could not miss that one. What the fuck?

SPEAKER_01: 1:08:30

It was SmackDown was rough, and SmackDown went to it. Hey, listen, more power to them, more power to them. Uh hopefully they didn't have to pay for those tickets. And if they did, that's that's damn shit. Three matches, bro.

SPEAKER_00: 1:08:49

Three. Oh no, don't forget the dark matches and this, you know, main event and all that other shit. You know, you got your money's worth. I'm not talking about for going there.

SPEAKER_01: 1:08:58

And even then, that's not enough. For me to touch the wall of the very back of the Kia Center for$107, where I have to watch the show from the Titentron because the people are too tiny for me to see them in the nosebleeds. So I might as well have just watched it from home because I'm watching what's on the Titentron. And what you're watching on the Titentron is what you see on the TV, just minus the commentary. So I pay 170 bucks to watch TV when I'm already at home paying$200 on my light bill to watch TV. Make it make sense. Make it make sense. God knows if you're watching it through cable. I'm using a VPN and Netflix to watch my SmackDown. So I just have to pay for my Netflix. But SmackDown was the lowest of the low of wrestling this week. If Raw was the pinnacle, SmackDown was the absolute bottom. And I'm not gonna lie, Smackdown almost ties with collision for being at the absolute bottom.

SPEAKER_00: 1:10:27

Oh, you didn't like the acclaim getting back together?

SPEAKER_01: 1:10:30

Barely. No, no, let me put it this way, bro. I fell asleep watching that match. Damn. Let me actually say that I fell asleep this morning watching that match. Damn. I didn't watch it last night. I fell as I woke up this morning, did some did like, you know, did some quick early morning stuff, and then while I was just kind of chilling to bed, just just hanging out, I was like, oh, let me put this collision on because I hadn't watched it yet. I fell asleep on that match. I legitimately don't know who won because I fell asleep and I didn't look it up because I don't care to. Okay, but like AEW, I feel AEW is so lost in the sauce right now. Their booking. Their matches are great, okay? We get it, but their booking just absolutely doesn't make any sense to me.

SPEAKER_00: 1:11:39

It doesn't. Um can we talk about a man fucking coming out to the ring with a fucking blowtorch? Like that shit's crazy, bro. Like, even I was like, all right, my nigga, like I love deathmatch, I love this, but like y'all, y'all, you're bringing blowtorches, literal blowtorch. And he wasn't promoting an inferno match. No, nothing. Just hey, I want to burn you alive.

SPEAKER_01: 1:12:15

It's like no he came out there came out there with a blowtorch. Come out there with a blowtorch asking for an IQ match.

SPEAKER_00: 1:12:32

By the way, we're we're talking about uh Darby Allen and John Moxley and the Death Riders.

SPEAKER_01: 1:12:40

Which is a horrible story in itself.

SPEAKER_00: 1:12:44

Like Darby Allen is a really shitty story, honestly.

SPEAKER_01: 1:12:49

Death Riders should have died when Hangman Adam Page took the belt.

SPEAKER_00: 1:12:57

I will say that they are heels that no matter what you can enjoy to hate on.

SPEAKER_01: 1:13:05

But uh but you can if you they're heels you can enjoy to hate on, sure. But at this point, why am I hating on them? Just because they just exist at this point?

SPEAKER_00: 1:13:20

I guess, yeah.

SPEAKER_01: 1:13:21

They're like John Moxley doesn't have any leverage over me anymore, all right? He has no leverage over anybody at all. Like, really look at this. John Moxley was the heavyweight champion originally, right? He had he had leverage over the company. You know, he was on this whole thing about saying, like, you know, I'm trying to change the company. You know, it's a it's this whole conspiracy theory. I want to change the company and da da da, all this other garbage, right? And then there was right near the end of his reign, there was a point where the EVPs, the people who have the absolute most leverage over the company, was starting to work with them. It was like the EVP was like, hey, oh John, let's let's be friends, let's let's work something out type situation. Okay, so you kind of have like this almost corporation type situation happening, you know, but then the EVPs lose their EVP titleship, and now they're just normal people, and Moxie loses the belt. All that happens. So now, what do they have? Nothing why oh they have pack. They have pack as much as I love the bastard. What the fuck does that mean?

SPEAKER_00: 1:14:55

I'm just saying, apparently Pac is here now, and that is the way you keep him relevant because now you want and by the way, I'm I'm shit shit talking real quick. Um this is the way of keeping them relevant because Pac is back. We want to see Pac. But we also have Danny Garcia, which no, and also Chris Statlander. I I feel like I'm really crossed by it because I kind of could see her in there, but like obviously she didn't join them, you know. She uh she's still going on her face run. But in all tents and purposes, she definitely looks like uh what's her name? The like when I say look-wise, like appeal, like she meshes well with uh Marina Shafir. Ew. I don't see it. Like as like uh as a tag team, I could see it.

SPEAKER_01: 1:15:58

Alright. Alright, I guess. Like, yeah, sure. Sure. Especially with the female AEW tag team titles showing up, so we definitely need to have more tag teams for the females. But um speaking of Statlander, which brings me to another reason why I say AEW is so lost in the plot. We have Statlander win. Okay. Instead of having Statlander say anything, instead she has an open challenge match for the title she just won. An open cuz an open challenge. She wants to be Sami Zayn. So the Hangman also wants to be Sami Zayn.

SPEAKER_00: 1:16:58

Yes.

SPEAKER_01: 1:16:59

Because he also had an open challenge for the biggest prize in the company. Open challenge. Yes.

SPEAKER_00: 1:17:09

You you you gotta remember. Oh, you you doing that open challenge with your US title? Bro, we can do it better with the AEW. Oh, also we can do it with the women.

SPEAKER_01: 1:17:24

Bro, the the women's division on AEW. Actually, I won't even put it in allows. I'm just going to say AEW. They take two steps forward. And then they job back.

SPEAKER_00: 1:17:46

It's like they forgot their keys.

SPEAKER_01: 1:17:51

You know, it's like they forgot their keys and then they head back into the house and realize I don't have a car.

SPEAKER_02: 1:17:59

Got damn.

SPEAKER_01: 1:18:07

I don't have a car. As a matter of fact, I have to take the bus, and because I just ran a mile back to my house to get the keys that don't exist to the car that I don't have, I'm going to miss the bus now.

SPEAKER_00: 1:18:21

Niggas got Alzheimer's.

SPEAKER_01: 1:18:22

Niggas got Alzheimer's. If you look at the booking of AEW, that's kind of accurate. They book like they got CTE, bro. Like, it's bad, bro. Like, it is. And there are people who are there who just don't deserve it. Like Bro Dito, like Bro Dito deserves everything. All right. They deserve, they deserved it all. And yet here they are having to, after they had that gruesome tag team title match, they have to turn back around for no reason. No story, no booking, no lead into, they have nothing to do with each other. They have to face the gates of agony for the tag team titles. Why?

SPEAKER_00: 1:19:17

And they lost and wait, if I don't recall.

SPEAKER_01: 1:19:19

And they lose. Gates of Agony beat the hurt business. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. In a triple threat match, just to go on the exact next show and lose. Momentum. That's not how you do what? Yeah, momentum is completely shot. That's not how you push nobody.

SPEAKER_00: 1:19:48

Can you imagine going to work and being like, man, I was I was having a good day the other day, and then you basically getting told, oh yeah, so um you gotta do all this shit, and uh you gotta stay overtime. Like just it's really a great day at work, and then all of a sudden the next day is shit. That's what that kind of sounds like to me in that scenario, is you gotta win. It technically was a clean win to the next day. As clean as it can be. Yeah, it's as clean as it can be.

SPEAKER_01: 1:20:16

But the next day, you gotta I mean grant, no one pinned uh the uh uh Shelton Benjamin and uh and Bobby Lashley, so there's yeah, but because they're supposed to keep them strong, so you know they gotta they gotta get MVP to pick the pin. It's um it's a whole lot of nothingness, bro. Like because then you go into collision. And what do we get? We get Danny Garcia and the Death Riders versus Daddy Magic in the conglomerate. Alright? Who cares? Orange came back. I mean, so I did like that. That was kind of cool. I like Orange Cassie. Yeah, well, like, but like as we continue, like fucking.

SPEAKER_00: 1:21:11

I'm really, and I'm I know I want to go ahead and wrap this up because I do want to go to the book bumper berry, but I really want to say, man, the era of Orange when he was red hot and he was Continental champion. I feel like, man, you should have gave him the big belt. Because he was giving out banger after banger every week, and I don't think the continental title is the workhorse belt, honestly.

SPEAKER_01: 1:21:40

According to what we watched, all the belts are, or at least uh the the two big belts are the workhorse belts, seeing as how they're just having open challenge matches because fuck story. Yeah, but not the homie, just story in general, not the homie. Oh I'm sorry, it's gonna be a second. You're like, not the homie, not fuck story, like damn, bro.

SPEAKER_00: 1:22:14

That's why I should went over my head for a second, like what you talking about. Oh, story, got it, got it, got it. Um, with when it comes to AEW and what's going on with Dynamite and Collision, would you say those shows were better than Raw in SmackDown this week? No, absolutely not. Okay, in no way, shape, or form.

SPEAKER_01: 1:22:38

No way, shape, or form.

SPEAKER_00: 1:22:39

Got it.

SPEAKER_01: 1:22:39

Okay, there was nothing better.

SPEAKER_00: 1:22:42

Okay, okay. Side note, because I just thought about this because I was gonna ask you about this too. So Adam Copeland, he's gone now. He says, Hey, I I want to I want to be off TV for a while. The rumor that people are saying is that he's gonna beeline the WWE and do the retirement tour with Cena. And uh, that's what people speculating, but in all reality, guys, he's under contract, okay? Which, man, you know what? I know we're at war. I know AEW and WWE is at war, but in situations like this, bro, can we not have a compromise of like, look, I know he's under contract, okay? Can we just borrow your nigga for a day? Because this is Cena, bro. You even respect him. Can we borrow this nigga for just one day? One day, we'll even give you a little bit of the proceed, bro. Let me just borrow this nigga for a day. No? Come on, bro. What it's good for business. And you can borrow one of our niggas one time, bro. That's one time. Oh, that's oh, that's a hell no.

SPEAKER_01: 1:23:51

See, that's that's see, that's the part where that's the part where you lose them. That's exactly where you lose them. Everything is fine up until then it turns around and be like, all right, cool. So we give you him, y'all. So what's in it for me?

SPEAKER_00: 1:24:10

I wrong.

SPEAKER_01: 1:24:11

That's that's that's why it doesn't work. Oh, we'll we'll we'll give you somebody. Yeah, sure, sure. We'll we'll we'll we'll give you somebody. Uh hey, who do we got in the NXT? Uh you can have uh uh uh you can have bouncy boy. No, have bouncy book, ain't gonna give him that.

SPEAKER_00: 1:24:29

Yeah, give him give him bouncy boy so he can go against um night. WWE would never just just for one night, have them two motherfuckers go at each other.

SPEAKER_01: 1:24:40

All right, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Like that's gonna happen. Listen, they're not gonna listen. Bouncy boy ain't gonna go on there because him and uh him and uh uh goddamn Rick Shane got beef from them tweets back in the day. Yeah, that ain't crazy.

SPEAKER_00: 1:24:55

Who an edge and mat situation with that, my thing? Um fuck out of it. Fuck it. Other other side note with that. Um Damn. Speaking of uh podcasts, you heard what people are saying about Undertaker and his wife being on the pod instead of having his former co-host.

SPEAKER_01: 1:25:22

I haven't, what are people saying right now about that?

SPEAKER_00: 1:25:25

They're saying that Michelle is ruining the pod. And they feel like Michelle has Taker under her thumb because they literally did an episode where they just were reading off comments of like the things people are saying about Michelle McCool. Like, bro, bro, she's bounty, bro. Bro, her neck, bro, look at how linky her neck is, bro. And they're reading the comments and it's laughing at them. And apparently ratings have dropped a little bit, or like fans are already like a little upset of like, okay, you took Mickey James off and you got your wife in. You took off your co-host and now you got your wife in. Bro, like, what the fuck's going on?

SPEAKER_01: 1:26:05

Like, so number one, it's not undertaking. I'll tell you that right now. It's it's definitely not undertaking. And honestly, I don't think it's really Michelle McCool. So I watched uh Maven because Maven and all of them were really good friends. Maven actually brought his co-host on, and his co-host, um he actually talked about how you know how everything ended up going down, kind of. And so it's the problem, it's not Michelle McCool or Undertaker, it's TKO and WWE. They're the ones who are doing all of this. Like the guy was talking about how like he's pretty certain that if WWE wouldn't have called and said that they want to take over the podcast thing, he probably would have still been there. And the reason why the ratings are going down is because it's being washed out with WWE, it's not pure, it's not what it was originally. Because before Undertaker was on there and he was freely being himself. He was he was he was he was Mark Callaway shooting the shit with one of his homies who he goes hunting with on a regular basis. They would get on that podcast and like for like the first like 15, sometimes 30 minutes, they're talking about football and guns and country shit. You know what I'm saying? Before they even get one lick in the talking about wrestling. Like they'll be like, all right, now that we done got all of our shit out the way, uh, let's talk about some actual some type situation. Like, so it's like Undertaker had people coming on there who were his best friends, and now he's just interviewing other talent who are who cares? Like Undertaker, Undertaker ain't been a ring with this man before. Like, he, you know, it's it's it's just TKL TKL him, bro. It's what it is now. To also the other thing that you were saying, of course, she has the Undertaker underneath her fucking thumb. Michelle McCool runs that house. Undertaker's made that very clear on his podcast. He's made it very clear the fact that it's like, yeah, no, I can't do nothing unless Michelle McCool says I can. You have to remember, Michelle McCool turned the Lord of darkness into a God-fearing Christian man.

SPEAKER_00: 1:28:53

Keep that in mind. So it's funny that we're saying this now, and I just started scrolling social media. Hot take. I'm sorry, but but it's a photo of Michelle McCool, and it says, I am a Hall of Famer because I revolutionize women's wrestling, not because I'm married to The Undertaker. And then somebody posted, hot take. I'm sorry, but Michelle McCool never revolutionized women's wrestling. And there's a short list of women in the modern era who have the criticism Michelle takes online for being Taker's rifle, replacing his podcast host, replacing uh Mickey James on uh LFG. Yeah, that part's crazy. Yeah, that part is crazy. I would say most of that is unfound and unnecessary. But this defense, however, is over the top. Michelle McCool is most well remembered for brutalizing and bullying Mickey James on her, you know, her run in WWE, not at all for wrestling. Her Finisher wasn't even her own, probably could have been a rib on AJ Styles from back when he was considered lesser than WWE. Trish Stratus, Lita, Mickey James, Page, the four horsewomen, and now Bianca Belair and Rhea Ripley. That's in the list. So what do you guys think? Am I crazy, or is this in my own opinion that Michelle McCool revolutionized women's wrestling?

SPEAKER_01: 1:30:29

Ah boy, that's a boy, that's that's a com that's a that's another conversation. He's and they're not wrong. As a matter of fact, I I dare to say there were no lies told.

SPEAKER_00: 1:30:44

There were absolutely none. The only thing I remember Michelle Bacul was, you're not enough for me. Lake cool. That's it. Just another man. Hey. Open up your eyes and see. Uh uh. But even though beautiful people is way better. But that is besides the point. No last attack. No last attack. Fucking.

SPEAKER_01: 1:31:10

When it comes to that statement, I agree. We're definitely paying Michelle McCool to be at a much. Michelle McCool was not a bad wrestler. She was great as far as I was concerned. Her with her and the whole Lay Cool situation, and that storyline, flawless. Pun intended. But um, like that whole thing was good, and it was great. And she was good in the ring, but she's not, she did not revolutionize anything as far as that would go. Like, she she she was an important cog in the big wheel of it all, but like she wasn't like that boosted. Kind of like how with how they try to make the Bella twins there, or even more so specifically, they keep on trying to make Nikki Bella seem like she was this big reason why women's wrestling changed and all this other stuff. And the answer is no. No, it didn't. She wasn't. She was not the she was not the revolutionary person who changed everything. And I will be honest, for a while, I was missing, I was missing the plot for some reason. And with her recent return, it was made clear to me. AJ Lee is the one who is the one that you'd want to paint as that person.

SPEAKER_00: 1:32:43

Yes. Because she was AJ Lee. Sorry, go ahead.

SPEAKER_01: 1:32:48

Well, yeah, no, because yeah, yeah, because like going in, like when you look at that timeline, you know, AJ Lee was the first diva to defy what it meant to be a diva. Exactly. Cause like, sure, Michelle McCool, she was an important cog in the wheel, just like uh Melina, she's another important piece to that puzzle. Trish Strass and Lita, they are important pieces to that puzzle that eventually led to the women's revolution. But the women's revolution really did not come down to it until AJ Lee broke the mold, and then there became that divide between the divas, and then the female wrestlers. And when we got our feet when we started finally getting our female wrestlers, your Beth Phoenixes, your Naomi's, your uh uh, what was that girl's name? God damn Beth Phoenix, Naomi, Natalia, AJ Lee, Paige. Like, that's when female wrestling started being female wrestling. That's when it really started coming together. And then after all those people came, then that's when we got our next nice little shipment of people, being our four horsewomen, uh, you know, and um there was another chick that I'm that I'm that I'm skipping out on right now. Uh uh Carmela. Although I mean she was part of that that that general upbringing of new. But but it's one of those things where it's like, you know, like I don't even like Carmela like that.

SPEAKER_00: 1:34:38

I ain't gonna catch it.

SPEAKER_01: 1:34:38

Now I can understand why Nikki Bella wants to put herself in there, and that's just because the fact that she was hot when all of that was also happening. But it was one of those things where like she was there, but like she's not the one that we're supposed to be looking at as the one that made that change, because as they also like to point out, and she kind of puts it out as well. She she is part of that diva's era kind of thing. She is like the last remaining bits of that divas era kind of thing. And of the many divas that came from that era and who are still wrestling, she came from that divas era, and she at least kind of sort of learned how to be a female wrestler along the way, type thing. Granted, I think the other sister is the better wrestler. Yeah, it's my small opinion.

SPEAKER_00: 1:35:36

Well, she this would be maybe not by much. She did she did have the better wrestler partner.

SPEAKER_01: 1:35:49

Uh we've taken cheap shots, bro. Hey, look, man. Uh but yeah, honestly, I feel as if we should I I I almost want to like take another look at that time frame to like really figure out because now I want to be like, why does she feel like she's that so revolutionary of the way when really that goes to AJ Lee, Naomi, Natalia?

SPEAKER_00: 1:36:19

Well, how about we how about we start doing this then? Like, I don't know what day of the week we can. Let's start making up a day, you know, so we can do some like Patreon exclusive stuff or YouTube exclusive stuff, uh, where we can watch it and see, you know, some of her matches. Matter of fact, look up the her best rank matches and see what are the people seeing because I don't see shit. Yeah, I remember I watched that era and I don't remember seeing any of that shit. But I will say side notes. I wanted to get this out before I forgot about it. Um, I have disliked Natalia for years. I have not liked the presentation she always had. And then there was a time where they made her the joke gimmick and the farting stuff, and I'm like, man, Natalia, like, how about this? I respect Natalia because she is a wrestler's wrestler, right? But it's just the things that they booked her and treated her with. It's like, bro, I hate how they're presenting her. I know she could be so much better, but I love this low-key legend run. I've been watching some of her stuff behind the scenes, and I'm loving this low-key legend run that I wish, like, man, if this was on, you know, I feel like this could be used in modern WWE. Put this on SmackDown, you know what I'm saying? Give this, like, give her opponents like Julia and stuff like that to elevate them because she is a legend, right? You need those wins. Why the fuck is she in GCW, bro? Like, what are you doing? So I just want to put that out where that's my hot favorite.

SPEAKER_01: 1:37:57

She's trying, she's trying to get some work because her because her her home company ain't doing nothing for her. That's what I'm saying. Just like how there's so many people on AEW who are not on TV and they're just pitter-pattering running around the indie scene because they can't do nothing. Listen, Dan Helsing is apparently, last I've heard, still employed at AEW. Do you know where he's at? He is he the one of the last things I saw of him personally was he was here in Florida, in Orlando, fighting my homie's tag team partner, Bobby Crono, in an indie match. That's what Dan Helsing's doing. That's what he's doing. So it's like, but he's not on TV. That's what Natalia's doing. She is getting, she is trying to get something going for herself because no one's gonna do it for her. Because SmackDown and Raw are stuck doing absolute stale TV and refuses to put any new faces into the mix to mix anything up, and you know, it is what it is, and I guess that's all it's gonna be.

SPEAKER_00: 1:39:24

But hey, at least no mercy was pretty good. Yeah, yeah, no, that that's a fact. That's a fact. Um so first time we're putting this on the episode, we're wrapping things up with a book bump or put that Undertaker in there. Um, so you know, buried alive, you know, why not? Uh and I'm gonna throw three wrestlers. I'm gonna randomize it. It doesn't have to be particularly in the roster. If it happens, if they're all three in the same roster, cool. If they're all, you know, just random across different promotions, is where it's at. But unfortunately, this one has everybody from the same roster. And I kind of know where this is gonna go, but I'm just curious.

SPEAKER_01: 1:40:14

Now, before you say it, just so I can make sure I understand this is just period.

SPEAKER_00: 1:40:22

Okay, period. And I feel like this is unfair because I kind of know what you already like. So Will Osprey, Samoa Joe, Okada. Oh Kata. That's that's what I'm saying. Like, that was tough for you, but like I already know two of them, because you already are fans of them, and Okada's kind of he's kind of new to you, and you only have seen certain so I am going to bump Samoa Joe.

SPEAKER_01: 1:41:10

Okay. Because right now where he is at, he he is so much better than that.

SPEAKER_00: 1:41:16

I'm going to so babe, he's bumping, you're bumping him to the mid-cards, which you're saying. Remember, book is you're booking him to the moon, you're you're making him the heavyweight champion. Bump is you're keeping them in mid-card, and then Barry is they're taking the pin.

SPEAKER_01: 1:41:31

Yeah, because I feel as if Samoa Joe is like at least in the mid-card, he could have a decent story right now. Right now, he's like Samoa Joe, he's not in mid-card. He is he's like treading on main event jobber line right now. And I'm like, and I don't like that for my Samoa Joe. But okay, okay. But honestly, with the people that you gave, like, I'm I uh actually I might actually I actually I think I might flip it because I would rather some to be honest with you. So I'm actually gonna book Samoa Joe. We can bump Will Ospreay as much as I love Osprey, but like Samoa Joe just tells better stories, in my opinion. And we can bury Okada. I don't need him. I'll need him. I'll need him.

SPEAKER_00: 1:42:31

Um surprisingly this one is tough for me because I know and have watched all three and all different platforms, right? It would be to me, it's criminal to say bury Okada. That is literally criminal.

SPEAKER_01: 1:42:57

What if I told you that Okada's already burying himself?

SPEAKER_00: 1:43:01

He you're right, you're right. But I'm just saying, um uh the idea of burying Okada as a wrestler to me is criminal.

SPEAKER_01: 1:43:19

I agree, AEW does foul shit.

SPEAKER_00: 1:43:21

Yes, it's fucking criminal. But when it comes to that, also burying Will Ospreay is fucking criminal. Burying Joe is fucking criminal. So I'm really in a predicament where for me, this is like, bro, you are literally putting a gun up to my head and saying, rap a Nick Cannon verse or you die. Like, I don't know if you've seen that that meme or whatever, it's like rap a verse or name for songs. It's literally the equivalent of that. Like choose, you die. And you're like, man, bro. So keep it a buck. I am always booking Joe. Because Joe just has that badass aura that you just want him as your champion. You want that, like he he's credible enough to be like, yes, that is my champion. Will Ospreay is also very credible to be like, yes, that is my champion. Yes, that is my champion. So this is why I put in a predicament of Joe, Will, Okada. So I have to say, my friend, firm handshake on your decision.

SPEAKER_01: 1:44:55

And you know, and the thing is well let me hang if you're not my fault. Because now see the problem is, well, or my whole thing is right now is the fact that if you would have said if you would have said different, then you would have just been booking like AEW is because AEW is bumped Samoa Joe to the mid-card. AEW is they think they're booking Okada, but they're burying him. Yes, and they're actually definitely booking Will Ospreay. Yes. That's just currently what they're doing. That that's that's just that's just a that's just what AEW does right now. And it's crazy to say that because out of the two, Ospreay's hurt, he's out and he's hurt, and uh and the other one actually has a heavyweight title of sorts, but no one really cares about that title because it's kind of a joke, and it's AEW's a mess, man. Like, AEW is such a mess where I like sometimes I'm like, do I really feel like watching it? Maybe I'll just stream.

SPEAKER_00: 1:46:26

I always end up watching it, but like So I'm about to hit you with another one because I feel like that one was way too easy. And this is gonna be Brother Edition. And this is gonna be from every promotion. Uber Finn. Trick Williams. And the reason why I say Trick Williams from TNA the current champion, even though he's the NXT. He's our current champion. So Oba Swerve, and you got Dre.

SPEAKER_01: 1:47:13

Booking Swerve, Barry and Oba Femi, and we're bumping Dre.

SPEAKER_00: 1:47:18

What? You were so quick with that. Bro. Easy. So easy. One more time, one more time. You're burying the rules.

SPEAKER_02: 1:47:36

You're burying the rules.

SPEAKER_01: 1:47:38

Let me put it this way, they already did. They already did. Bury the ruler. Bury Oba.

SPEAKER_00: 1:47:55

Okay, nah, I need I need a horror pause. That was too easy for you, bro. That was too easy. Nah, nah, nah, nah. That was way too easy for you, bro. All right, all right, all right. So for the audience, I will I'm not gonna lie. I'm not gonna lie. Swerve is getting booked. I would say, because I I want to see where he can go, because I already know what trick can do. I already know what trick can do. Damn. Like, I want to book Trick.

SPEAKER_01: 1:48:34

Shake my hand, shake my hand and call it a day. Just shake my head. Just shake my hand and shake my hand and call it a day. Oh shake my shake it, shake my hand and call it a day. Wrap up, wrap up this podcast. Wrap up this podcast. Maybe next time you can do maybe maybe next week, give us some more time. You know, we might maybe you can get a good one to try to try and stump me.

SPEAKER_00: 1:49:06

But uh final thoughts, ladies and gentlemen. Me and Swag think very similar as wrestling fans, if not all the time, but sometimes. But I want to say this week of wrestling was Shaq Emoji again. But uh we will try to get my goal and mission is to put Swag into a predicament where he really has to like pull the trigger, bro. You got choose. And you just like, man, that's tough. I mean, you just like, nah, man, go ahead, pull that trigger. I'm cool with this answer. I want him to fight. I want him to fight for this one. So I will be my goal is every week is to see how this man will how would he fight and how would he choose? So each week come back to see if I can break swag. If I can make him break character. Oh god. If I can make him break character, that is the goal. All right, so last thing I want to say, guys, as you always know, the ring is sacred. Questions are real, the destruction is guaranteed. Be sure to hit the like button, tombstone the subscribe button. We will be here every week with a new episode because it's Damasuku.

SPEAKER_01: 1:50:27

It's your boy, Swag Switcher. I think my son is on my door. Do you need to do you need to come in here, sir? All right. It's your boy Swag Switcher, who's apparently also a father.

SPEAKER_00: 1:50:43

And we are out. Till next time. Go do your daddy duties, bro. We'll see you guys.