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TNA Bound for Glory and Crown Jewel Review
Two pay-per-views, two very different kinds of drama. We kick off with TNA’s Bound for Glory and a card that actually breathes: a solid opener with real consequences for Kazarian, Tessa’s vintage heel move against Gia Miller that seeds a future receipt, and a “Call Your Shot” gauntlet that flips the rulebook—two winners, one trophy, and Santino’s “you must possess it to cash in” decree that pays off later. The night’s heartbeat is the X-Division: Leon Slayer vs Javon Evans starts respectful, explodes into inventive counters, hits a 20-minute time limit, earns five more minutes, and then gets nuked by Dark State. It’s heat that hurts in the right way because the match was that good. Then nostalgia hits different: the Final Table turns into the Dudleys’ farewell done right—boots in the ring, respect earned twice, and the Hardys standing tall.
We cap TNA with a title scene that finally has wires crossed in interesting ways. Mike Santana wins, Trick stays looming, Nick Nemeth tries to cash, Elijah cuts him down, Kaz tries to snipe the moment, and Santino’s rule about the trophy suddenly matters. It’s messy in a way that gives writers options: a champion better as a chaser, a rival with a reason, and two would-be cash-ins who have to outsmart each other before they even reach the ring.
Then we pivot to Crown Jewel, where big names deliver mixed returns. The street fight frames Roman’s character and makes Bronson Reed feel like a genuine monster—the tsunami remains WWE’s most protected move, and it should be. Cena vs Styles fires off crowd-pleasing homages but floats light on stakes. The Kabuki Warriors vs Rhea/Io has that lived-in chemistry you can’t fake, and Cody vs Seth shows the danger of finishers becoming connective tissue rather than decisive ends. The work rate’s there; the meaning isn’t always. By the end, only a couple of threads clearly point to Survivor Series.
If you love story logic, smart stipulations, and matches that raise futures, Bound for Glory gets the nod. If you wanted spectacle and a few sharp moments, Crown Jewel scratches the itch without changing much. We unpack what worked, what didn’t, and what absolutely needs to happen next—Dark State’s heat, the twin-trophy chaos, and a reminder that protecting finishers still protects fans’ investment.
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Welcome to another episode of the Big Brothers of Destruction podcast. It's the Masaku.
SPEAKER_03:It's your boy Swag Switcher in the building.
SPEAKER_01:And uh as a man of House of Spades, correct?
SPEAKER_03:That would be correct.
SPEAKER_01:I'm gonna give him his belt back or his teammate's belt back as he was graciously holding it for his squad.
SPEAKER_03:Well appreciated. I was uh told to allow it to come get some uh time out the house. So it came through and watched the pay-per-view with us. Yes. And oh boy. The establishment tag team titles, all Florida tag team titles right here. Belonging to the house.
SPEAKER_01:Let's let's actually talk about this pay-per-view.
SPEAKER_03:When you say this pay-per-view.
SPEAKER_01:Oh, excuse me. We actually have two pay-per-views to talk about because we still gotta talk about Crown Jewel as well. Oh yes. So we have two. Would you want to talk about Crown Jewel last? It's uh the TNA one just we just finished watching TNA.
SPEAKER_03:You know what? Because of the fact that we did just finish watching the TNA one, uh we could talk about the TNA one. Cool. We can end it off with Crown Jewel. Cool. Bound for Glory.
SPEAKER_01:Bound for Glory was.
SPEAKER_03:Just like the House of Spades were.
SPEAKER_01:Bound for Glory was an interesting pay-per-view to say at least. We can go right into it because uh we got a lot to talk about, and I'm not trying to talk about it so nice. So um Bound for Glory. Well, because man, it's already 11, damn. But um Bound for Glory definitely was an interesting pay-per-view. Before we really get into it, I'm gonna definitely say it was a solid, solid pay-per-view. Um, and kind of starting off the matches, I think the first one was Tessa Blanchard versus Giamella. That's what's the first one. Was that what the first one? I thought you pulled up the motherfucker. I did, but like it doesn't give you the order. Oh, yeah. It don't give the order. That's crazy. Yeah, because like uh it was saying that this one, uh no, excuse me, the countdown, excuse me. The countdown technically was the first one, which was the inspiration versus uh elegance brand, which um the inspiration won. It was a very quick 10-minute match. Well, is it for the titles? Yeah, okay. The thing about that match too is because they say battle for glory starting at seven o'clock. These girls only got three more minutes. All right, man. Great, great way to take away the suspense. You know the match is about to end, so yeah. But um, like I said before, uh, the inspiration. Did you watch? Did you see that match at all? I did not see the inspiration match. Okay, okay.
SPEAKER_03:Um, I have to say it's I started watching exactly at seven. So I uh the first match was for um as it's now coming back to me.
SPEAKER_01:Yes, actually it was the for the title. One of the titles. International title, and for some reason that's not even on this card. That's crazy. Um, so Kazarian versus Sean. I I can't remember his last name right now, but they definitely were making sure they showed a lot of his uh his his marine representation because he is a man of arms. So um the Kazarian lost, and I I really can't say what was the build for that, besides they apparently have already had a match with a similar vibe, but I'm just trying to pull it up real quick just to see.
SPEAKER_03:If I'm not mistaken, I believe Kazarian took the title from him.
SPEAKER_01:Ah, you're right. He actually was the first to win that belt. Yep, he was the first to win that belt, and he took it away from him. So there's there's the build for that, and then also because of that match, it led to something else happen for Kazarian later on that night, which was a pretty interesting situation, regardless. But um the match was uh okay, it was a solid opening match between the two.
SPEAKER_03:Um Kazarian is like on this uh this high horse of him being the king of uh TNA and all this other stuff. And uh it later on, I actually there was something that was said that I did not realize because there was a period where I did not watch TNA or I wasn't keeping up with it. And apparently, I did not know that Kazarian never won the TNA title all of this time before.
SPEAKER_01:I thought he has before, by the way, it's Sean um it's Sean McClain. Okay, um, yeah, no, they they literally said that he's he's never had the belt. Sean McClane. Okay, which is crazy. I could have sworn he did one time, but apparently not.
SPEAKER_03:But I know he's had the X Division title plenty, he's been tag team champion and stuff like that, but but as I'm recalling, I mean, like, it makes sense. He he I he really has not. He's always been there, but you know. It is unfortunate. Which is crazy, because I mean, like, of all people, Eric Young's had the title, and he's he's about as uh old as a TNA uh Eric Young actually had a good story though.
SPEAKER_01:You said he did? Yeah, when Eric did, he had it, he had basically another faction that was similar to Sanity.
SPEAKER_03:Oh yeah. Oh yeah, I remember that.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah. Kazarian, he had uh SCU, and then he had uh uh uh Bad Influence, which that was a decent tag team, but like the Kazarian is he is a Forever mid-card. Yes, and he is a forever, you know, a company guy, etc. and stuff like that. But either way, match was uh ehh match, Sean wins the belt, Kazarian out the door. It it didn't really have a super build, it didn't have any super um aesthetic to the match, unless you have any other pointers.
SPEAKER_03:I mean, overall, it was for all intents and purposes, it was just a solid wrestling match. It was a solid opener. I mean, yeah, it was a solid wrestling match. Now, as far as the story goes, because because I know I watched more TNA than you do. Yes, the story and everything that was going into the match was fine. I will say Kazarian, he's kind of sort of been like all over the place with everything, being on TNA and on NXT and stuff like that. But uh, but I mean but overall, as far as which uh TNA has always done, similarly to AEW, they have great wrestlers who put on fantastic matches, but solid 3.5, you know.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, I was saying well, technically I'd be a C.
SPEAKER_03:Solid, yeah, you see. It wasn't something, it wasn't anything over the top, but it was straight.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah. So we had that match, and then next was the Tessa Blancher in Gia Miller match, which Gia Miller boy, did not know it was like that. I agree. I did not know it was like that.
SPEAKER_03:So this match was interesting. I am a little sad that Tessa still gets the W in this, though.
SPEAKER_01:But I mean how she got the W.
SPEAKER_03:But I mean, you know, heals are gonna heal, I guess. But uh But the the chick who she hit, because the whole story by was the fact that Tessa Blancher lost her, lost the match at one of the past pay-per-views, and then she freaking flipped her shit and and and beat her up outside the ring. Yes, which got her suspended for all this time and da da da. And so I guess Ogre was like, no, I'm not gonna sit here and play victim. I'm gonna try and get my lick back. And she definitely tried to get her lick back, but she didn't. And what was the how did it finish? Like, because Tessa Blancher hit her in the head with some fucking quarters, which apparently is a callback to her dad.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah.
SPEAKER_03:The whole quarters thing. So I'm just like, mmm. So you know, just some good old heel stuff.
SPEAKER_01:Because it was like uh Tessa Blancher is a character that if she does something like that, it kind of to me diminishes her. She should be the fact that G is not a wrestler, she should have the floor with her.
SPEAKER_03:Exact yeah, yeah, no, that that completely checks. That's that's usually how that would end up working. But uh, and it's funny because she started out acting like like, eh, I ain't gonna fuck with her, and then she and then she turned the heat up on her. Now, I because with the way that kind of went, it also kind of brought me back to this past Monday with uh Becky Lynch and um I know who you're talking about.
SPEAKER_01:Can't think I want to say it's Natasha. I don't want to say, I want to say Natasha. It's not Natasha.
SPEAKER_03:Jesus Christ, no, it's not Natasha.
SPEAKER_01:Oh but I know you're talking about, but continue on.
SPEAKER_03:But uh with the whole, you know, cut nah, I won't, it's like because they well, the difference though, they didn't necessarily put girl as like a super underdog, though. That's the real difference, is the fact that uh they she was like Tessa Blancher kind of sort of came off as like I am better than you, but like uh she turned it up and she turned it up pretty hot. She did almost miss that crossbody though. That and that crossbody kind of had me scared for a bit. Either Tessa Blancher was too far away or old girl didn't jump far enough. Nonetheless, outside of that crossbody though, like Maxine Dupree. Maxine, but like outside of that crossbody though, like it was a solid match. Once again, very solid.
SPEAKER_01:Very solid needs more Gia though. Definitely need to see more Gia. Bro, her theme song goes hard too, bro. It does too.
SPEAKER_03:That's what I'm saying. I need more G in my life. I don't I wonder if she's gonna continue wrestling or if this was like just like a little one-off for her.
SPEAKER_01:Uh it might be a thing every once in a while, but I don't think all the time. I mean, you never know. The way her gear was looking, that that wasn't a one-off gear. That's some gear gear. You know what I'm saying?
SPEAKER_03:But plus, I feel as if she still gots to get her look back on on Tessa Blanche. She does, she does. It probably ain't over. So we got to I know I'ma have to tune in for that, cuz TNA out here doing the thing.
SPEAKER_01:And then uh after that match, we get uh the call your shot gauntlet, I believe it was.
SPEAKER_03:So this call your shot gauntlet was very interesting to me because this was guys and girls throwing hands with each other, like which maybe I just missed the episodes where there was a lot more of that going on.
SPEAKER_01:Apparently that was last episode, but uh that's how number one and number 20 got their entries.
SPEAKER_03:But uh, and then there was and then just for Kazarian to show up and take old girl spot by clobbering the fuck out of her. Yeah, yeah, one one good clothesline, clobber the fuck out of her. Santino did his uh his Royal Rumble spot over in TNA, which was to me a waste of time.
SPEAKER_01:Like, but it was it's basically the equivalent. We couldn't get nobody else, so Santana, can you just take a quick clothesline?
SPEAKER_03:And of course, because TNA has such these these crazy innovative matches, so it's it's Royal Rumble style, guys and girls, all the way down to the last two, and then when it's the last two, it is a win by pinfall. And how it ended up going, Nick Nimeth, and goddamn Kazerian rolled each other up, both shoulders were down, two referees, uh, twai win.
SPEAKER_01:So the fact that he did the uh uh, okay, but yes, honestly, I don't know why we did this, because then uh Santino was saying, hey, we're just gonna make them both winners, and now we have this whole storyline of like, okay, you have to give up the trophy to do the cash in. So, yes, when we get to the last bit of the night, we'll we'll make relevant of why that was the case.
SPEAKER_03:But although it is very interesting, because uh the equivalent of this is imagine if two people grabbed the money in the bank at the same time, and they said, you know what, you two are the money in the bank winners. And so now you have two people who I guess has to figure out it's uh who's gonna call their shot first, I guess, now. Yeah. Cause like, you know, they're they're fighting over the trophy, and then we'll get to where how it ends, but with the way that tonight ended, also paid the picture of how this whole situation is going to be moving forward. Yeah, moving forward, and how it's going to work moving forward indeed. But like, it's number one, it's go it's going to be goofy as fuck. I are I already feel it, especially considering it being Kaz and goddamn Nick right now.
SPEAKER_01:So are you here for it though?
SPEAKER_03:Of course I'm here for it. Got it, okay. I'm here for it because number one, when you have the show off involved, okay, and TNA can tell stories. They're not going to drop the ball. I don't think they're gonna drop the ball.
SPEAKER_01:They literally, at by the by the end of the match, you're wondering, okay, how does this work, right? Do you both have your own individuals? Then the the way the show ends, you see it right there. So story is right there, that it has to be involved where you have to give me the trophy, and if if the trophy is here and you don't have it, you can't cash it in.
SPEAKER_03:Can't cash it in.
SPEAKER_01:So then that's the story.
SPEAKER_03:Who is going to do that? And and and also showing how screwy it's about to be with the two of them holding on to it. And so, right then and there, AEW, a way to hook your people with the closing of the pay-per-view and and doing something, yeah, giving us something to now actually look forward to. Yeah. Because that's a small complaint that I definitely have with Crown Jewel. But we'll get to that.
SPEAKER_01:We'll get to that shortly. I mean, granted, Crown Jewel wasn't a bad pay-per-view, but anyway. Um, so after that match, then we get the hardcore war, which was war games, but no cage. War game, no cage. But monsters ball?
SPEAKER_03:No, I mean not really a monster's ball, I think, because monsters ball, there's the weapons are present. So it's it's it's it's it's hardcore war games. Okay.
SPEAKER_01:So I mean I when I say monsters ball, because I was thinking like your monsters ball was always like their major hardcore match, so I didn't know if it was basically be the equivalent of that.
SPEAKER_03:I would say no, because Monsters Ball teeters uh more extreme? Teeters more extreme, you know what I'm saying? Okay and and because of the fact that which you kind of bring that up, kind of like I guess goes to sh it it kind of painted a quick picture to say here, real quick, is the fact that like a monsters ball is a great hardcore match with weapons, as opposed to it being a death match. And I do believe with my speaking on that, I feel hardcore matches to me come off better. They're more fun. There is because it's like it it does not teeter into that weird queasy, you know, stabby stab. Although this match did have a cheese grater into it.
SPEAKER_01:So it's like to me, uh that's I won't say it's wild to say that's normal. Oh, you try to say that's softcore match or something, like you normally would see some shit like that, depending on who No, a cheese grater is not your everyday typical hardcore weapon.
SPEAKER_03:Thumbtacks, sure. Tables, yes, flaming tattoos, that's tipping the extreme. When you pull out the cheese grater, when you pull out utensils like pizza cutters, these these things that you would normally find in the kitchen, when you start stabbing niggas with forks, things of that nature. That's that's when you that's when you cross over that was uh cheese graters that that that is that's when you're starting to cross over into your your deathmatch land.
SPEAKER_01:In my opinion. Also, so I know his name is special Agent Zero, that one.
SPEAKER_03:Okay, well, yeah, that's what I figured as the as the match went on, they kept referring cu because we had the TV solo. Yeah, because we had to like uh but like the the way that because he had zero on his pants, and then they said agent zero a couple of times, so I just figured that was what his name was.
SPEAKER_01:But um the match is again well, hardcore war was the system in order four. So the system contains Moose, Eddie Edwards, Brian Myers, JDC, and Alicia Edwards, which is Eddie Edwards' wife. And you got Mustafa Ali, John Skyler, who bled like a fucking pig this match. Um, Jason Hotch, Special Agent Zero, which, by the way, man, strap a rocket to that man to the move. Because uh he did he did he did test his big boo justice. I just wanted from just that. He did do pretty good. Tasha steals. Okay. This match was uh how do I want to put it? Um it definitely wasn't bad. I will say that straight up, it wasn't bad. Will I say it was a classic? No. I kind of want to just say that this was a fun match to watch. That's all you got? It was it was a fun match to watch, and especially seeing uh Alicia, who is not even I don't think Risha, his wife, is a wrestler. I think she's definitely a part of the system, but I don't think she's a fully full-on wrestler. Her taking that tax spot, man. I will say that. I credit on her, man.
SPEAKER_03:That was probably the spot of the night. So over. Or spot of the match.
SPEAKER_01:I won't say night.
SPEAKER_03:Um well, yeah, spot I mean spot of the match. Yeah, yeah. Literally, she they number one, she gets Hoon Javi plunged into the tax by Special Agent Zero. By Special Agent Zero, which that was also another thing I was about to point out about this match. This was also an intergender hardcore match. So, which with with with females included, and they were fighting the dudes, and so like there was actually a point where they had old girl like surrounded by Alicia Edwards before Mustafa Ali came out there. Yeah, they was they was about to jump her with a sledgehammer, by the way. Yes, and so but like thrown onto the tax, and she rolled in these tacks a couple of times, like she did not, she did not want to leave. Like, she just was like, nope, I live here now. And then there's a point where Mustafa Ali he takes thumb tax and drips it off and drops them on top of her, and then he attempted to 450 splash her with the tax on top of her, insane, but instead she rolled out of the way and he 450 splash and on top of the tax, hands on the box, which that's tough. That oh boy, knowledge, but of course, for her to get out of the way, she had to roll over the majority of the tax that were on the ground still and on her. They did a close-up on her, and they just showed like all the tax lined her body.
SPEAKER_01:I'm still I'm still trying to find out how much money would take to get swag to get choke slam on a pile of tax. The amount of money. I might even do a Patreon thing. We raise, we raise, raise money for that. Raise money to see to put me through a pile of tax to slam me on some tax?
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, good luck on that. I don't think you can afford me.
SPEAKER_01:How much we talking?
SPEAKER_03:I'll think about it. I'll I'll think about we get an audience that does that one day. So here's the problem. For me to think about a certain amount of money that would convince me to get slammed on some tax would mean that I actually would have the wherewithal to agree to be slammed on some tax. And the problem is I don't. I I I don't have let me put it this way.
SPEAKER_01:How about this?
SPEAKER_03:I would rather take a chair, uh unguarded chair shot to the face.
SPEAKER_01:That is insane.
SPEAKER_03:All right, I'd rather take one unguarded chair shot to a skull, literally load that sucker up and hit me like 1997, 1998 cane in the head with a chair. I will take one of those then be slammed or even step on a fucking thumbtack.
SPEAKER_01:Everybody has a price. Everybody's gonna pay.
SPEAKER_03:I don't think I don't think there's a price.
SPEAKER_01:So yeah, basically, in in a match stipulation, he that would he would pull a Hulk and be like, that ain't that ain't for me, brother.
SPEAKER_03:Let me put it this way. If we're having a match and you pull the thumb tax out, you have just consent. Well, well, not so not so much that, but just note that if you brought out the plunder, you go through it. That's that's kind of the rule. If I go outside and I pull a table out, that's my table that I'm setting up to go through. Alright? So you pull out some thumb tax, that is your millions of thumb tax that you're choosing to go through. Not me. Alright, so that I'm listening get that thumb tax bullshit out of here.
SPEAKER_01:WWE con WWE hit you with you know a lump sum of a check. Listen.
SPEAKER_03:TKO money we talking about, fam. With the way that TKO's been kind of working nowadays, I don't know if I want that bloody sod, bro.
SPEAKER_01:We getting rap money anyway. I don't know about that. We we've uh shied away from the pay-per-view, but yes, um to me, like I said before, the match is pretty decent. I I enjoy the aesthetic of how the system flowed in this match. You know, Order Four definitely seems like they're obviously Ali's henchmen, but everybody in the system are established wrestlers that to me, I'm like, okay, I know JDC. That's Fandango. I know um, fuck, what's his name? Um you say you know him. Uh hold on, hold on. I'll pull him up. I know Brian. Anyway, I know Brian, and I know Eddie Edwards, and I know Moose, especially with Moose in the group. Um, I did what I did know going into his matches, they were babyfaces?
SPEAKER_03:Yes, yeah, I've mostly known him as heels. So in most recent times, because uh what kind of turned them babyface was the fact that um well was the fact that number one uh uh Moustafa like almost went like full critical heel on his own team. Like his own team, his team almost completely imploded. And then there was this whole thing where Moose and actually that's what turned them babyface. Moose's squad went up against Dark State. And so Moose's and his squad, they fought Darkstate. I believe they won, if I'm not mistaken. And then they kind of sort of like Moose kind of sort of put his himself and his squad at the forefront of fighting against uh uh NXT type of thing. And so like that's why. So there was a big that was when they was kind of like starting this whole war thing, and then it got whoa whoa whoa, this isn't a war, this isn't an invasion, this is a a showcase. Showdown. A show we are we are uh this is an exhibition, we're friends here. Uh we're not there's no invasion or any of that where we are just just just having good old good old competition. So ruin the fucking and so ever since that point they've kind of that that's that's where they've been at. So now going up against the darker order four here. Fortune four is like um uh for me, I thought it was a great match. Yeah, as a matter of fact, let me put uh it was it was a better match than I thought it would be, and I have to thank the women for it because I was not ex having them in a match of this kind of caliber with this kind of as we call it plunder, thumbtacks, bob wires, kendo sticks that was snapped in half, uh shining wizards with bob wire wrapped around our knees. Boston knee park party, like uh yeah, nah.
SPEAKER_01:Which is a cool fucking name, AD Edwards.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, the Boston Knee Party. Yeah, that's a fucking name. That's good. It's a slapper. It's a slapper.
SPEAKER_01:I heard that show, I was like, Alright, bro. You got it, dog.
SPEAKER_03:You got that, dog. But it's like I feel it was number one, it was a good enough, it was a great amount of blood for me. It was just enough plunder with a decent good amount of wrestling. It was it was a solid hardcore match. So, you know, it it did what it needed to do.
SPEAKER_01:Uh Slyer was like the only one who bled though, wasn't he?
SPEAKER_03:He was. I mean, if you want to count old girl with the thumbtacks, because she definitely was bleeding.
SPEAKER_01:That was on her bat, though, but yeah.
SPEAKER_03:Bleeding is bleeding. Bleeding is bleeding.
unknown:Bleeding is bleeding.
SPEAKER_03:All right, um, but uh it's funny because like there's parts to me that would uh reward it a B only because like that. I feel it's like there's a part that wants to like it's a C, but it's like a good C. It's a C plus. Yeah, it it's a it is a C plus, you know, like just it's above average, you know what I'm saying? Like it's not a four-star, but like they 3.5. Yeah, it's like a three, hell, 3.5.
SPEAKER_01:Almost 3.9. It's like it's like it's tipping, it's tipping four.
SPEAKER_03:Like it might as well be a four, but I'm not gonna say that. Yeah, I'm not gonna say it out loud.
SPEAKER_01:Crazy. All right, next match. We got TNA, knockouts world champion. Uh it's Kalen, right? Keelin? What? Uh Jordan. Kylie. Is it Kylie or you saying it wrong is now fucking up my brain. Because like Kalani Jordan. Kalani Jordan and Andy Hartwell. Jesus. So here's my gripe with it.
SPEAKER_03:Um my gripe with the match is that and I think I I said this when we was doing the the the live recording thing when we was uh watching and reacting to it. I feel that um Indy she looks good, right? She's great in the ring, but there is there is a there there is a severe lack of charisma for me. And because of there's because of this lack of charisma, it translates into it translates into her wrestling. So it's like it's like it's not there's not enough substance in there for me to get hype about what she's doing in the ring. She wrestles as if she's still in her previous profession. A little bit. Like she and it's like I know she's good, but it's like and even going up against Kalani Jordan, because Kalani Jordan's a f she she does she does bangers on a regular, but for me, it felt like Kalani to a certain degree. Actually, it was kind of hard for me to tell, but I do believe like Kalani kind of had to like hold her hand through that match to me. Uh yeah. But at the same time, there were points where. It looked like Kalani was like, I have no idea what to do with this bitch.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, like, bro, like when you didn't want to jump for a fucking powerbomb and almost got sandbagged the first time. Like they were in, oh wait, no, they do it again, and we just don't do a power bomb, but we're gonna make it quick because you're not jumping for some reason.
SPEAKER_03:Like it was there was a little all it was a a little all over the place. Little little but but even with that bit, it was still a relatively decent match, you know what I'm saying? Like, like, but that's just my thing with Indy. Like, I I want to like Indy Hartwell. And it's like we all do. I want to like Indy Hartwell and I want to take her seriously because prior is the fact of her the her prior thing was she uh she she got married to one of the Wyattes now. Uh and uh and there was that um uh I almost said the one with fucking dreads.
SPEAKER_01:Oh, uh Daxter.
SPEAKER_03:Well, I'm glad you was able to figure that out because there's because they all have fucking dreads except the bald one. But uh I was thinking Dexter Lewis. But no, it is yeah, it is Dexter. Yeah, she because like the when deck when she was last there, like Dexter was like stalking her, and then she she fell for him, and then they actually got married on TV, and then um Who knew guys that stalking the chick get you married with her?
SPEAKER_01:That's crazy.
SPEAKER_03:Uh for those who are watching, don't do that. Yeah, don't do that shit. Don't do that. Don't do that shit. I it it it don't work that way, like how I do in the movies.
SPEAKER_01:It don't. Like like As in WWE used to say, don't try this at home.
SPEAKER_03:Please, please don't. Don't don't be all like, I was watching them two dudes on YouTube. They were saying that this was a great no.
SPEAKER_01:At first, I didn't say that. No, no, but but yes, no. Um either way, but with this match, I will agree with you on that. Like Indy has a great look, but her charisma is not there just yet. And I feel like, you know, give her a couple years. Maybe, maybe she'll find that. Um, I don't think her time, she has a limited amount of time. I mean, no, I think she's gonna be in TNA for a while. Yes. And so when she hones herself and then WWE says, hey, no, no, well, I feel like this. Uh, there's certain women that has to go from WWE for indie to thrive. I feel if she would go there.
SPEAKER_02:If she goes back to WWE, yeah. Indy Stantina.
SPEAKER_01:I mean, yeah. Don't do that. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_03:The WWE women's division is so so plugged up with so many top stars. It's the reason why ain't no females moving up from NXT right now.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah.
SPEAKER_03:They shouldn't. As a matter of fact, they they gambled with moving up Stephanie and and um uh Julia.
SPEAKER_01:Roxanne and Julia.
SPEAKER_03:Now, Roxanne, actually, I would say with all three of them, that was a gamble moving the three of them up in the current women's division with how stacked and um and and uh like hard to crack into like that upper echelon because all three of them are NXT champion material people, okay? And it's like Roxanne, she came over with Julia, and Julia's out here in the in the lower mid-card jobbing out the motherfuckers.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah.
SPEAKER_03:And Roxanne is lucky to be in the space that she's in because she is she is maintaining in the mid-card, waiting for an opening. Stephanie Valkyrie, they decided out of those three, we're gonna strap the rocket to the back and send her to the moon. The problem is is the fact that they sent her to the moon and she flew around to the dark side of the moon for a hot minute, and and no one knew where the fuck she was and if she was gonna come back.
SPEAKER_04:Yeah.
SPEAKER_03:And then as soon as she came back around, oh there she is. Alright, slap a belt on her and let's see what happens. And that's where we currently are. And it's like, but like, I but she's still so like she is still so fresh in the spot that she's in that it's like nothing has actually happened yet. And so it's like Indy trying to get back over in it, she is fine right where she's at. But I feel the thing that the thing that I need Indy Hartwell to do is to be something is to figure out what she needs to become past Indy Hartwell.
SPEAKER_01:She needs to be, I don't know, just the magnificent one.
SPEAKER_03:There you go. She needs to have that extra moniker to to go along with her name because that's when I feel she will begin to start shining. She will have her own identity. Because just being Indy Hartwell from Australia to me is not enough.
SPEAKER_01:Kind of how I felt like with Chris Statlander for a while. So I get what you mean now. Get what you mean. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, that part. Yeah.
SPEAKER_03:Like, even now, like she's boy, she's searching. She's trying.
SPEAKER_01:Who you talking about? Stat lander? Oh, yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_03:She's she she's trying to find her identity right now. Yeah, she's I mean, she I see the work. She's trying. She ain't found it yet.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, no. Absolutely not. But I will not believe her as a champion until then. Either way, uh, match is pretty decent.
SPEAKER_03:I mean I think I'm still gonna give it a I'm still gonna give it a C.
SPEAKER_01:I'm gonna give it a low sleep C, though, because there was a lot of miscommunication on that. I'll agree. A lot of miscommunication. It's it's a low.
SPEAKER_03:It's like it's it it was it's not bad enough to give it a D-Rack.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, no.
SPEAKER_03:They didn't barely make it. Yeah, no.
SPEAKER_01:It would it'd be like it'd be like uh 3.3 facts. Yeah, 3.3. Um, and then next up, we got uh Leon Slayer and Javon Evans. Match of the fucking night. Where do we start with this? Because that's the one I fucking care about talking about. Boy, boy, boy, boy, boy, boy, boy. I'm gonna have to say you two are the future of what the X Division should always be. X division should always be that goddamn good.
SPEAKER_03:I agree. They uh you know it's funny you say that because when you think about what it being when you think about TNA, uh you think about the X Division. Yes. And the best matches on any given TNA title or or or uh uh uh card, the best match on any given TNA card is going to be the X Division match.
SPEAKER_02:Yep.
SPEAKER_03:And this proved it. But I it's almost as if like it was almost as if they looked back at past like over-the-top amazing six-sided ring X division matches, and they were like, We gotta do something to put ourselves right next to an AJ Styles X Division match. And as far as I'm concerned, mission accomplished.
SPEAKER_01:Absolutely the mission accomplished at first, you know, which was you know, swag pointed out, you know, slow burn in the beginning, you know, testing each other's strength, handshake moment. There was a lot of good moments, especially, you know, it's later on in the match where Leon's like, yo, man, get the fuck up. And so, you know, he wants Javon to slap him, slap him on the chest so they can do the exchange. And Javon said, Nah, fuck that cutter. Hit him with the cutter bounce cutter, and it didn't get him the pen, and you see him like directly in his face, he just says, fuck.
SPEAKER_03:So uh The way talking about number one, when you look at the because the the the story that was going into this is the fact that like so their individual brands are battling each other, and they were backstage kind of talking, like, man, well, it's crazy out here right now, type situation. And then uh, and I think at that point it was the the match was made for them to face each other. And they were, you know, it was nothing but respect. It's like, yeah, hey man, we're gonna we're gonna do our thing out there, type thing, and when we face each other, you know, you know, it's nothing but love type situation. Like, absolute. And then they had a match where they teamed up with each other because uh because I forgot who it was, because but uh like uh two people were all like, Man, y'all ain't shit. Why don't y'all fight us and let's see what type of shit y'all really is? And they're like, man, and they went out there and they freaking killed it as a tag team. So as a tag team, boy, they'd be crazy.
SPEAKER_01:I'm telling you, but and they would be what private party could have been.
SPEAKER_03:And then when they had the uh uh uh what did you call it? The the um not the invasion, the uh showdown. When they had the showdown go down, um they end up being on opposite teams, and Slater eliminated him in the showdown, and Slater was all like, ah, I got you, ah, and and Javon was all like fuck. And so going into this now, fucking like this match. Look, I'm sorry, like, listen, from start to finish, freaking they did, they they slow burned, you know, they they they wrestled a bit, and you know, and they were being all super respectful of each other, and then they got to that point where it's like nah fam, we need let's cut loose right now, cut loose, and that's when they started fucking flying and bouncing all over the place and all and just everything. The bounce Pele kick, oh my god, bro, that bounce corkscrew paylay, crazy, crazy talk, and all of this to happen for the 20-minute time limit to go out, yes, and finally Santino Morella comes out and says, you know what?
SPEAKER_01:Normally for pay-per-views, we go by a strict time limit, but I think five more minutes. I think this time deserves five more minutes. We get five more minutes, and at first I felt like this was a ring of honor match, like, because Jerry Lynn of Honor of old, baby. Yes, and and it felt definitely like a Jerry Lynn and RVD match, too, because they would often do this too.
SPEAKER_03:So, my thing, what I liked about that part, right? Because like the time limit thing happens. Because at first we thought they got counted out, but no, it was they said the 20-minute time limit is up, and I feel as if they left it long enough for the crowd to almost go into full riot mode, literally, that crowd lost their mind, literally, it like and you can see it in their faces, how sucked in they was to that call, and they was all like, nah, it can't be, ain't no way. And they dragged it long enough to really make you think, yeah, no, that's it. That I guess it's a draw.
SPEAKER_01:And then that place would arrive.
SPEAKER_03:Then Santino comes out, runs it for says five more minutes, and then these boys went into overclock mode. Yeah, overtime, yes, straight overclock mode. They're trying to finish each other. No pause.
SPEAKER_01:And I'm you already said one pause thing early. I let that shit go. I let it go. And then now you now continue, continue.
SPEAKER_03:Of course, we fast forward, bro. Oh well, how'd you used to say back in the day you broke the start button? You know what I'm saying?
SPEAKER_01:Uh anyway. I like how you're like, ah, anyway, uh the fact that this match went on again and it continues still being great, and then suddenly the fucking lights go black.
SPEAKER_03:Fam. To be left with this to be edged to such a level as what they did, for the lights to go out in dark state come out there and just start beating the absolute dog shit out of both of them. Bro, they did Javon Evans 30, man, with that powerbomb, bro. Yeah, they was all like uh like they did the power bomb the homie, boom, and they was like, Javon Evans, you're NXT, we hate you extra.
SPEAKER_01:The equivalent of him jumping was like Mortal Kombat, that's how they threw that motherfucker.
SPEAKER_00:Hit the hit on with that Yo no.
SPEAKER_01:If I could make the meme, oh my god.
SPEAKER_03:Oh my god, anyway. Yeah, they they sent that boy to the moon. Oh, to the moon, empowerbombed the shit out of him. Oh my god, that was hilarious. The fat Darkstake comes out and they come, they they ramsacked the match, disqualification, no contest, all of this, and now we out here, and then and now they got us sitting out here like, well, damn, Rhea and Eo, now Javon and fucking like fam, can we get a finish, finish it, please? Like, nope.
SPEAKER_01:And Santino didn't say anything. He was just like, Oh, okay. Well, I guess uh five minutes are up.
SPEAKER_03:Five minutes are up now. Let's go into the gotta do. Fam, that goddamn match of the night. That's that one freaking that gets an S rank, bro. Yeah, that was shit. They let me put it this way. They set for them to put that in the like they did, they they freaking did the whole uh uh uh uh uh um and I said this at the beginning of the match too. They kind of did like the little the they pretty much did the whole Hogan rock situation.
SPEAKER_01:Oh yeah, where the audience just was switching what they wanted.
SPEAKER_03:Like, well, not even so much that, just the the caliber of excitement that the audience had going throughout the whole match, especially with how they got so destroyed and and upset about the the the time the time limit count out just for Dark State to come out there and just then absolutely ruin it, which now makes Darst Dark State number one heals the most hottest heat. The next time we see them boo that man, boo, boo, boo every one of them.
SPEAKER_01:You see him in the street boo them, you see him at the doctor's appointment, boo that man. Boo boo boo that man. Anyway, match of the night, gotta say that straight up.
SPEAKER_03:But now another thing I will also have to say, as we're about to go into this next one, I feel that uh the pacing and the way that they put this these matches together this has been like and maybe it's just maybe I'm just freaking you know cursed from the be from from prior pay-per-views, but like this pay-per-view felt like it flowed so well.
SPEAKER_01:It did. Granted, the way that match was though, that should have been the main event. I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry. Like, as the as the X Division match of that caliber, if you would have ended the show that way, would have been like, okay, that wasn't a good home feeling. You take it, I'll take it back, take it back, take it back.
SPEAKER_03:I feel though I can agree, uh, I feel that the only reason why it's okay where it's at is because before we get to the main event, we had this buffer in between.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah.
SPEAKER_03:That kind of sort of like helped bring the crowd down and put them in a and put them in like a uh nostalgic film. A bit more of a like because the crowd was up here. The crowd had to come back down here, but they gracefully brought them back down to a certain spot so that when the main event comes in, then the then the main event can do what it needs to do to hype the crowd one more time. Which is crazy the fact that this was the match that they used to do that. Yeah, that being the T the final table. The five the the final the final table match. And so, which at first I was a little lost to how they were doing it, but the way it is, you uh you had to put them through the table. You pretty much each member, you had to put each member through a table. Each member had to go through the table to win. And so I would say for this match for what it was and the and for what it ended up representing, uh this match was this match was fine.
SPEAKER_01:I mean, yeah. I will say when when you when you broke the ending down a little bit more, like granted, it it the way the ending shows, especially how the match ended, with bully just saying, you know, I'm defeated, slam me. It makes more sense now with the retiring part, too. Because like it felt like at that ending point, we're like, I have no more fight left, just put me through it. So, which is almost like a Ric Flair moment of like, come on, come on. He's like, I love you, and so it was kind of on that caliber, but uh I don't know, man. I feel like bully would have gone down swinging. That that's why I was like kind of like, why you didn't go down swinging, bro?
SPEAKER_03:Which is a which is a fair assessment. Like, I I can't argue with that bit, but at the same time, it's like I can't argue with it, but with the emotion and what the stuff that led up to this, and like after seeing the promos and them having their, you know, when they was talking in the ring and stuff like that. It because like, you know, at first bully turned around and it's like the harys, they both got chairs in their hand, and then bully just kind of looked at him like well, if you're gonna do it, do it. And they and they kind of looked like old yeller type shit, you know what I'm saying? Yeah, yeah. Cause like he he he knew he was spent, he knew he was done, and he knew that the haris were the better men right then, and then he and the haris were like with pleasure, respectfully think about big bullshit, but uh but yeah, they put him through the fucking I'm sorry because I just see the meme, it just shows bully turn around. Think about big blush, blush you just see him dragging him out the ring type thing.
SPEAKER_01:Oh leave it alone.
SPEAKER_03:Um but Jeff Hardy almost freaking cracking the back of his skull, though, was pretty uh well well let's let's kind of go in it a little bit in the order, right?
SPEAKER_01:Because we kind of went immediately to the ending, but Matt starts off immediately 3D, right? Starts off the gate, Jeff gets put through a table, and that first elimination that was early on, so it's like holy shit. Yeah, this was very fast. They was like, nah, fam, we're going in. Very fast. And then Matt tries to make an attempt to splash D Von very similar stuff that happened in the Royal Roma match. If you watch it again, think of everything as a role reverse. A little bit. Because D uh uh Matt Hardy was powerbombed through a table in that first match. Jeff was put through the first table. Then there was a point where D Von is laying on a table, and Jeff tries to do a suicide dive um and he misses him and he goes to a table. Matt tried to hit a leg drop, D Von moves off the table, and then he, you know, he he he basically falls on the table. So we thought he was eliminated, but he wasn't.
SPEAKER_03:No.
SPEAKER_01:And um, and then we do the WrestleMania spot where it was originally Bubba who took this, where it was the ladder on the on the ramp. Yeah. And then Jeff with Swanton on it. But before it was just one table. They put two tables because I think I think D Von was like, don't sandbag me, bro. That's really what I feel what he said. Don't sandbag me. I know you've been doing it to some people at one point. You gonna have a second table and you gonna let it be a leg drop, not a Swanton. And I feel like when he it did the impact, and you know, we saw Jeff hit his head on that damn ladder. I think that's what he wanted.
SPEAKER_03:I I mean for D Von minus the the the sandbagging piece. I do believe the second table was the also was probably to help uh just in case alleviate some of the blow for D Von, possibly, uh as opposed to just and then also just in case if Jeff Hardy did miss, which it looked almost he almost did. Like, let me put it this way if he did not, if there was not two tables there, Jeff Hardy would be dead.
SPEAKER_01:I don't know, man. That man fell off a fucking um ladder and hit his back on still steps. That man's still going, so like I know it's not concrete, but still.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, listen, he I mean, I'm glad he he only slapped the back of his head. Yeah, and I know he hit it hard because like every once in a while he like and then Jeff and then Matt's like, yo, you good?
SPEAKER_01:And the referee's like, yo, yo, you good. So it was a lot of things happening from there. But then from that point, D Bon was out the match. He was out the match, and it was just basically bully going against both uh of the Hardys. So at this point, as a wrestling fan, you already know the Hardys is winning. Straight up. So when it gets to the point where obviously Bully in the ring with two other tables, by the way, there was a table that was not used. Um he gets in the ring, he turns around, he sees them both with chairs, they throw them down. They technically two hand two is a two-arm choke slam, or what was the uh La Resistance special? Remember their move? It was it's literally that double arm choke slam.
SPEAKER_03:I mean, uh the gates of Academy do that now. Oh, okay. Well that's also their they where they you know hold up like under the arms. Your arms, yeah. Yeah, and that's what they did too. Or the demand.
SPEAKER_01:But um, yes, so this match as a Dudley Boys fan, this solidifies that out of the three teams, it's Hardy's, Dudley's, and Edge Christian of the era of the best tag teams because now the Hardy Boys has a championship in almost every era and titles from different promotions. So they have 2000's era, they have um the WCW titles, they have the WWE titles and then well, WWF titles, then they have the WWE titles, they had the the coin titles, black and red, the red and blue titles. Um they have ring of honor, they have NXT. They almost had AEW, almost, until Jeff fucked that up. Um, but then now they have HOG. Well, you don't remember what happened with Jeff did? I don't. He got arrested for a DUI.
SPEAKER_03:Oh.
SPEAKER_01:That actually was what caused because of that, and because he he had to get rehob again, because he at that point was spiraling again. Okay. And so it was like, oh, well, you did that, so you gotta go.
SPEAKER_03:Got it. Um that also reminds me of the fact that I was uh not to go too far off, but like you just you bringing that up made me think about I was watching uh them talk about MVP, and it's like one of the reasons why MVP never became world champion was because of the fact of his history of being in jail. Damn. So when he was young, so because I've heard about it before, but he talked about it in depth on uh Chris Van Lee. And apparently, so it's like he he robbed some people. Like he he he literally robbed the bank, and he went to jail for like teen years. Like I don't remember the exact number. I don't think it was 18, but it was it was double-digit numbers of years he was he he went to jail, kind of thing. It was like when the thought of giving making him be like a world heavyweight champion, the reason why they could not pull the trigger on him being like a world heavyweight champion is because of the fact that because he went to jail for such a crime, he can't go out of the he can't go out of state or or or go out of the country. Yeah. Like, like he can't go to Canada, he can't go to Mexico. Like, there's there's uh as a matter of fact, I think like recently, with some of the way that some of the laws have changed, he now can't go over to the UK anymore, type thing. Because like that's that that bank robbery is still on his record. He hasn't even got expunged yet? All these teen up teen years ago. Why hasn't he got it expunged? I think the f I think for some reason uh there's you'd have to watch it because I don't quite remember all that he said because I think he's tried to get it off, but it's like one of those things where like uh like when he tries to, it's like they either say no or there's something that happens that uh that causes him to like not be able to just get it out of the way. And this is like at this point, I think he said it's been like uh it's been up teen years now since all that happened. And so it's like he wishes he could, but it's like it it the government's gonna do what the government does, and you know, unfortunately, it's just the the unfortunate bit of being an ex-convict.
SPEAKER_01:Well, on a brighter side of news, like I said before, this was uh also the Dudleys retirement as they paid respects to the Hardys, and before they walked out the ring, they stopped in again. As they were walking out with the titles, they said, Hey, you're gonna also walk out here with our boots. Uh as you are retiring the Dudley boys, which I was surprised for Bully, because I feel like, you know, even though I know Bully's like 52, 53, uh, Bully looks like he still can go. He probably still could.
SPEAKER_03:But then there's like, I feel it's the whole thing, like what Undertaker would uh would say. He says the fact that like there are days I feel like I can still go, but I don't want to try to keep going, and then I'm being just a shell of what I used to be. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And honestly, I can't respect that. I can respect that, just like how I can respect how the Dudleys went out, because unlike a lot of people can, the Dudleys were actually able to go out on their terms. Yes. And they was also able to go out as most wrestlers truly want to go out. And that is, as they say, on their backs, putting somebody else over. And I think the I uh I I fuck with that. They they did the thing, and uh nothing but love from the Dudleys. They and it's one of those things like for me, it also does the thing where it's like damn. Let you know how old you're getting. Listen. When I was looking up Javon Evans in uh in and um it was his name when I was looking them up and finding out and yeah when I was looking up Leon and Javon and I was seeing the fact that they're both born in 2000 2004 and whatnot, and I was thinking about how old they're 21, and I'm like my youngest, my my brother's youngest child, my nephew, is 21.
SPEAKER_01:How old does that make you feel, Swag? I mean pretty damn old.
SPEAKER_03:Not pretty damn. Not not pretty damn. Like, I mean, like uh it does make me aware of my age.
SPEAKER_01:Man, seeing the Dudley boys retire made me feel old because it's like, yeah, that era is is is over. I mean it's always been over, but it's truly, truly over. And uh thank you for Dudleys for all you've done. You still are going to be my greatest and favorite tag team ever. You have the best tag team finisher in the business. Okay. No one doesn't let the dudes, man. I mean, the Usos be doing the one and done really good.
SPEAKER_03:The one and like yes and no, like there is a there is a certain tightness to when the Dudleys do it. Like it feels more you it feels more uniform and together. Yes. Whenever I see the Usos do the one and done, it's it's too loose for me. Yeah. Yeah.
SPEAKER_01:Like when somebody hits when somebody actually gets picked up by D Von. They go up like this. Yes. Straightboard.
SPEAKER_03:Straight up. And then like when they come down, like with Don, like it is full control. Like literally the lat literally the lat this last Monday when they did the one and done. Like, um I think it was Jay. Yeah. Who was grabbing up uh so when Jimmy was grabbing the neck, it was like he's like mid-air, like so it's like, I mean, like it's fine, but like, as they say, you know, when take her tombstones, nobody kicks out. When the Dudley boys do the 3D, nobody's getting back up.
SPEAKER_01:And when Rhino does the gore, it is a gore if he pins them. Um, but again, like I said before, thank you so much, Dudleys. Uh we'll always, I'm gonna have to spend some time just watching all their matches now. But um, let's get to this main event so we can talk about Crown Jewel. So uh Trick and A versus Mike Santana, and I'm gonna tell you this right now. Going into this, I knew Mike Santana was winning. I just don't want to see Mike Santana with the belt. I feel that. I don't see it. And Swag's gonna probably say his opinions on it as well. But for me, Mike Santana is not my heavyweight champion if I'm gonna if I'm watching that promotion. It just to me, no, like the whole you're the heart and soul of TNA thing is so old, it's such a a dumb trope, and it's such a babyface trope that I'm like as an older fan, I don't want to see that. I come to see characters, I come to see stories. I mean, granted, uh Mike Santana has a great move list of the the the chalk out the the the lay-down chalk or whatever or it fucking the the uh spin the block clothesline like all his move names fire fire, but you as a champion don't see it. I I don't see it, I don't want to see it, maybe not yet. But I think the real reason is Swag's gonna explain it more, but when he explains it, I'm gonna say I agree with that because direction-wise, where do we go?
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, that's that's kind of sort of the bit for me. Now, with the way that this match ended, there is plenty of direction that we can get now, but it's like initially, for me, Santana looks great chasing the title, but like I don't see he does not I don't see him as like top of the card champion like that, you know what I'm saying? Like, I won't say like a part of it has something to do with the look to a certain degree, but it reminds you of Eddie Kingston. So he no, no, no, no, no. That's that that would actually be disrespectful if I said that. You know what I'm saying? Comparing him to Eddie Kingston is that's rude. Damn. That's that that's rude. I'm not no I'm not gonna do that to him. The young Eddie Kingston. I don't know what that looks like. The same. But um, and if that be the case, that's still rude. I I put him over Eddie Kingston any day, alright? Let me put that out there right now. And this is just with the knowledge of him that I know as of right now, which was a little bit when he was in um uh uh AEW, what he's been doing here, and I think a little bit back when he was doing the LAX thing.
SPEAKER_01:He was in Ring of Honor, so he he mainly is from Ring of Honor, and then he also went in TNA and then he went to AEW.
SPEAKER_03:But it's one of those days where it's like when I look at him, it's like uh he he because like right now he's in this white meat babyface phase right now, but like I don't for the way for the layout of TNA right now and uh and and with what we have going on, I just don't I don't believe him as the heavyweight champion at the moment. Now, hopefully, moving forward, he can it'll there's something now things will happen now making me like, alright, I guess I can see him in this in this spot.
SPEAKER_01:You had to have a good heel to which I I I found out, I think it was from you. Somebody says, uh whoever becomes a champion, you don't want to be that first opponent. Because you're gonna take the fall if they're not making that person transitional champion.
SPEAKER_03:There is, I mean, there is that. That I don't know who I can't, I mean I can't even. I recently saw that that being said, which I mean it makes sense, but it's like, I mean, someone has to be that first one. But there's also a way of being the first one and not looking like garbage, looking at you, AEW. And so with Santana, I'm just in this space where it's like, alright, so he beat Trick. The obvious thing to do now is let him and Trick have their crash out and and they have their rematch situation, which hopefully that will do something to help boost Santana up. Because it's one of those things where it's like Santana being their their uh their Santana just doesn't read off top star to me. But I agree, it also made me realize that when you look at the TNA roster right now, they don't have a whole bunch of top stars. Most of their top stars have been playing around in mid-card land because Nick Nimith was their top star for a bit, and then he decided to drop down a little bit to bring his brother up doing the tag team stuff, and that's where he's been. And so Moose, he was he's a top star, he's a main inventor, but he's been playing around the mid-card to be to to I guess I guess to help bring up Moustapha a little bit, give him a little bit more clout, and he's been you know doing his thing with his team and having the feud off with uh with Aid with uh with NXT type situation. Uh they had Joe Henry as a top star, but Joe Henry is no longer a TNA superstar.
SPEAKER_01:He's an NXT.
SPEAKER_03:He's an NXT guy, so it's like he's doing his his focus now is NXT shit. So he has no reason to be looking at TNA right now, and so it's like now Elias just came back, and so and he was being looked at as a top star. As a matter of fact, he was supposed to be getting a chance at the title, which honestly, Elias with the Nlias now, Elias, I could see him Elijah, depending on the. Oh shit, yeah, actually Elijah, yeah. But he even says it, whether if you walk with me as Elias, Elijah, or even Ezekiel, which when you say when I say all those names together, goes to show how much of a God man he is. Because all of those are biblical names. Elijah, uh Elias, Ezekiel, all very biblical names. Yeah. But nonetheless, like he came back tonight, and in the midst of uh coming as an angel, uh coming in and uh uh being a part of the ending here.
SPEAKER_01:So he you want to mention that what happens is the match finishes after he has to spend the block on trick, gets the one, two, three. We're getting in a small celebration, and all of a sudden, Nick Nemeth comes out with the prove your uh uh your prove your um uh call your shot, call your shot uh winner. He's got the trophy. He's got the trophy. One of the things I didn't remember about this stipulation is you have to actually hand the trophy just like are you with the money in the bank briefcase. But as he's heading down to the ring, Elijah comes down, hits him with the guitar, boom, he's out. But in the ring is Kazarian already there. He's wanting the cash in. And the referee says, Well, wait, you gotta have the trophy.
SPEAKER_03:And Elijah's standing there, like, come get it, bro. Right here. Come get it. And then he got the block spot on him.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, and that was it. So uh Mike Santana actually gets to hold the belt. He's having a heartfelt moment with his daughter. You know, it's a couple of you deserve a chance. There's people sorry out of the arena, which is sad. Like, like if you you saw that one sex, you did just nobody's.
SPEAKER_03:I did notice that.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, I was like, damn, bro. I was like, damn, bro, y'all can't even like have this moment with my man's.
SPEAKER_03:Like, well, they're also not New Yorkers. They're they're they are you were just cheering for this motherfucker. I mean, they're like, yeah, yeah, yeah, you won, you won. But they're like, all right, well, it's it's it's late. We got I got bed, we gotta go to work, mom.
SPEAKER_01:If it was tricking A, they probably would have cleared out quicker.
SPEAKER_03:Nah. But uh, but yeah, I I mean overall, they they uh I feel as if like for for me, they made this a worthwhile match to watch. Because going into this match, I'm like, ah I know Santana's winning, but like how are we gonna get there? And so like we got there pretty well. So it was it was solid overall, like nothing too crazy. Trick did his thing, you know. Trick, I I'm waiting, I'm I'm now ready to see the uh trick Williams crash out after all of this. Like Trick and A. All right, but yeah, overall, uh interestingly enough, this like this was a very solid B pay-per-view. Yeah, I was that's kind of crazy, the fact that we rate well if it if it's a B pay-per-view, it's like a low B.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, like it's it's it literally it's like a B minus.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, like a B minus minus.
SPEAKER_01:Like it's there's a lot of C's in that one B, that one S, and I would say that trick match was still good. It was high C almost low B.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, no, that that that checks. Like so that's what I'm saying, like it's yeah, bound for glory. Overall, a B is a B and it's gonna be. So it's still it does what it needs to do, and then with the way that they did it, there is so much to look forward with moving forward with TNA. There's a lot of story kind of thing. So it's like they I think they handle that very well.
SPEAKER_01:But you know what? It didn't have much story in it, crown jewel. So let's go ahead and lightning round. Uh I won't say it didn't have much story compared to TNA, though.
SPEAKER_03:But like, I well, compared, yeah, sure. You can say compared to TNA, but hold on.
SPEAKER_01:Oh it said my memory's full. Oh no. Okay, so we're gonna keep going with the pie while we have no video right now. Um but what were you saying about uh crown jewel?
SPEAKER_03:So crown jewel, uh, I feel like um it's like comparatively speaking, it's not so much that crown jewel didn't have story, it's just that the story is not extremely strong. You know what I'm saying? So going into what I feel was the match of the night, Brunson Reed going up against uh uh Roman Reigns.
SPEAKER_01:You're talking about how Bronson Reed damn near murdered my man? Like that tsunami, man. That tsunami was absolutely gnarly.
SPEAKER_03:That man that tsunami was peak, bro.
SPEAKER_01:That man cleaned.
SPEAKER_03:The way he came off of that tsunami dog, god damn.
SPEAKER_01:I thought that man was dead peak.
SPEAKER_03:He put extra oomph into that motherfucker though.
SPEAKER_01:I thought that man was like dead.
SPEAKER_03:I think number one, as as Brunson Reed is probably considerably like my favorite wrestler in the WWE right now. Uh I will agree. Outside of like my your my my my my normal super baby face favorite of sorts, which would be Cody Rhodes. But like Brunson Reed, I I needed him to win this match, and he did exactly what I needed him to do. But the thing that I mean like they made him look like a true monster this time. Like they made him look very, very good. But uh what I did find funny, there was a uh moment where uh when they're all like in the ring sitting there, and um wait, hold on. You got the I got the let me get let me do it. Alright, go for it then.
SPEAKER_01:You you seem to you seem to have an issue with trying to get this thing. Hey, look, man, I was just trying to get it in as soon as possible. Pause.
SPEAKER_03:There you go. We gotta we gotta have the it's gotta be in the at least be, you know, we gotta have it, we can't be crooked in this bitch. You know what I'm saying?
SPEAKER_01:Three, two, one, we're back on with video. So you're sitting on a belt. How dare you?
SPEAKER_03:I was about to get up.
SPEAKER_01:Sitting on this lovely title.
SPEAKER_03:Listen, listen, this this belt is funny, because like with the way that we be having it, like I'll walk through the house and it'll just be just sitting there, chilling on the couch, like, oh hey buddy, how you doing? But anyway, Brunson Reed in that match, absolutely great. But the quote that I loved was when they're all in the ring and Roman's all like, bro, I told y'all, I needed to do this. I can't, I gotta show I can do shit by myself. I I show, yeah, he's like, I show I gotta show I can do shit by myself. This don't work if we don't win type situation. He's like, listen, the but then he was like, I don't want to see none of y'all till Christmas.
SPEAKER_01:Which I'm like, no Thanksgiving, no nothing, bro.
SPEAKER_03:He said, I don't want to see none of y'all till Christmas, bro. Bro, when he said that quote, I lost it.
SPEAKER_01:I lost it. I'm more so thinking, like, so how y'all gonna see anything else?
SPEAKER_03:Maybe they maybe someone's really don't celebrate uh uh uh Thanksgiving.
SPEAKER_01:Bruh, bruh, bruh, bruh, bruh, bruh, bruh.
SPEAKER_03:As big as these maybe they won't be having Thanksgiving together then.
SPEAKER_01:Anyway, the way that sounds also speaking of which, uh, happy birthday, Rikishi turned 60. He's 60? Yeah, I did not know that guy. Damn. Did not know that.
SPEAKER_03:I mean, it makes sense considering that his son is like are like a couple years older than us. Yeah they're like like upper 30s, going into 40s, which like I said, makes perfectly make makes perfect sense because my mom's in her 60s, so it's like you just just had kids young. But uh, but yeah, overall, honestly, to me, when I look at that this whole pay-per-view, the five fucking matches that we had, this match was the cake for me. But even then, I wouldn't put it as like an A rig. I'd give it a B. Like it was this was a great thing.
SPEAKER_01:The story is what made it that though.
SPEAKER_03:A little bit. Actually, no, I won't even say a little bit. You're correct, you're you're 100% correct with all the stuff that has gone into this match and just the the different things happening with these three pieces of the bloodline, and then of course, us boosting up the uh vision, the vision, and so it's like it's all that has been solid, and it at least has me locked in for what's gonna go forward and happen next. However, that's about as far as that goes for this pay-per-view, because don't get me wrong, Tiffany Stratton and Stephanie was not a bad match, but it wasn't a match that I cared about.
SPEAKER_01:It here's the thing. You could definitely tell that they because of I don't know why WWE does this, but they have the wrestlers wrestle the night before, especially when you're traveling somewhere that far, and then you're like, yeah, but then you're also gonna do a pay-per-view match too. The chemistry was so off, and I'm not too sure if it was because of jet lag or that just the two girls just they their wrestling styles just don't match. But they wanted to have a banger, they really wanted to have a banger, but then by the time you get to the curtain, you find out, hey guys, you only got 10 minutes. What? Alright, well, let's improvise, I guess, and that's what they did.
SPEAKER_03:I feel now I will agree with the fact that um I think number one, I do think that their styles don't necessarily match very well, but I also feel that like they they did go into this like yo, we wanna they wanted to perform, they wanted to have a banger of a match. They wanted it to be. But it's like, and you can see that they were trying, but it just was not stinking. It wasn't banging.
SPEAKER_01:I mean, even the finish with the the looks like almost a spinal tap, but it wasn't with the corkscrew splash to get the pen. I was like, I I didn't even know that was a finisher of hers. I thought she did the She pulled that out to win the title. Oh, well, there we go then. I need you to open your eyes, bro. No, I thought she did that. I thought the her uh her other finisher she has.
SPEAKER_03:She had she does have that other finisher, which is like the SPV or something. Yeah, that's what I'm talking about. But but she literally fighting EO finished with that move. EO did her moonsault, Stephanie moved out the way, she got up there, spiraled.
SPEAKER_01:So we basically did the same fucking finish then. Oh, I guess we did. Yeah, literally the same finish.
SPEAKER_03:But uh, but but to that fault, however, damn, we really did. Yeah. But it was like, even, but even with that, like it wasn't it wasn't as clean, crisp, and and and clear as they wanted on her. She kind of potatoed her ass. Oh, listen, I I listen, uh Tiffany, oh, she felt that she she got that. Oh, she felt that spiral. She got tapped, boy. She felt that shit. I I I swear you could see the look on her face when she fucking thumped and landed on her?
SPEAKER_01:Tiff like, ah, like, like, damn, bro.
SPEAKER_03:Like, I think Tiffany definitely felt it.
SPEAKER_01:Bruh, the memes of Stephanie Valkyrie getting the belt as of winning the crown jewel. Did you see the one with Triple H is like, yo, when when the ass is so juicy, you automatically just propose to her immediately?
SPEAKER_03:I mean, yeah. Well, I actually did not see that particular one. However, that makes perfect sense, and I agree. I would too. I would too. You know what is crazy to me? And I made this observation uh today while I was watching uh uh AEW's uh uh um whatchamacallit, right? And it's like remember, cuz guys see I've seen that photo, but it said something else. But that's that's almost better. But for me right now, when it comes the the th the observation I made was remember when I won't even say remember when, because guys still do this, but I think that that's just now like the the the thing that we do now. Because like guys, they would wear like the bands like right here to make their arms look like they're so fucking swole. Yep. Just like how the ladies are now wearing the bands right here to make the ass they to make their cheeks look so fucking swole. And when I made that connection, because there's a couple of there was a couple of chicks on uh AEW who was rocking the tight bands. You mean almost every one of them? Rocking the tight bands right here, because who was it? Uh literally every one of them does it. It was specifically the tag so you you did you watch collision? Yeah. So when they had the little tag that the the the tag team females match and the two girls that weren't jobbers that came out there, yeah, and they had both of them had the thigh bands making their cheeks look beyond juicier than what they might actually really be. And I'm like, Yeah, everyone's doing it now. Yeah, no, I mean it's the new thing. It's the it's how you make it's this it does the exact same thing as when guys wear the the armband right here. It it just makes them look bigger.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, no, and and a perfect example of that, even too. I saw a video is this guy who picks this girl up on metal rope, does a uh uh a backflip body slam. And you look at Shorty, and her ass just looks crazy because of the bands. But then you actually go to Instagram, it's like, oh, it's it's there, but it's not as juicy as it was when the bands were there. All right, guys.
SPEAKER_03:It's all about presentation. Yeah, it is.
SPEAKER_01:Because you saw that comment section, boy. They lost their goddamn mind.
SPEAKER_03:However, Stephanie Care ain't presentation. That's that's that's just what it is. Yeah, it's legit.
SPEAKER_01:Um, but either way, uh, when it comes to that match, like I said before, Cameron Street was off. They wanted it to give it a masterclass. Unfortunately, they they tried their best with 10 minutes. They tried their best. I will give Was it 10 minutes? They only had 10 minutes, yeah.
SPEAKER_03:Where did you find this out?
SPEAKER_01:By WrestleMania. Most of the outlets were saying they only had 10 minutes.
SPEAKER_03:Interesting.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah.
SPEAKER_03:I mean, you know what? Now that I'm recalling it now, it did feel a little short. It was very short. It it definitely felt like there should have been more. So, that alright, that that checks. That checks. No, only 10 minutes.
SPEAKER_01:That was when it was going through the curtain, like I said before.
SPEAKER_03:Which that oh, so so that is actually like factual information. Yeah. I thought I thought you were just like making an example. No, that's legit.
SPEAKER_01:WrestleMania and them all reported that they were only given 10 minutes.
SPEAKER_03:And you know, and that sucks. That really sucks. Yeah. Especially considering the fact that the next match afterwards, which I get it. It's John Cena's retirement situation.
SPEAKER_01:Best match of the night. Was it though? It was uh was it better than Cody and Seth?
SPEAKER_03:Was it better than Brunson Reed?
SPEAKER_01:Okay. Okay, how about this? As a as a pop match, it it it's for cheap pops? Yeah, sure. It was good for cheap pops.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, it was there was not it was that's all it was, cheap pops.
SPEAKER_01:It was there was a point where the moves were like, all right, my like, all right, you did like can you save more moves for like your next match? Because you still got other opponents. To me, all right.
SPEAKER_03:I think I think the match would have been better without all of the cheat pops personally.
SPEAKER_01:I feel like if he did a couple like maybe two of the specials, two of the people's finishers, listen, the Bray one and the tombstone, I guess.
SPEAKER_03:John Cena trying to do the punt kick, John Cena doing the sister Sister Abigail. That was cool. John Cena doing the fucking tombstone, like it was too much.
SPEAKER_01:Skull crushing finale fits him, though.
SPEAKER_03:Even with the actually, sure, but like at the same time, no. It was I I feel and I think what what burns me out about it is the fact that like we've already did this whole thing before, and so now here we are doing it again, and now I'm like, okay, so I'm guessing the next time we're we're gonna do even more people's, right? And now and now and now we're gonna keep doing this, and you know, the next next on his retirement match, every move is gonna be a fucking somebody else's finisher that he could have faced. I'm waiting for him to do the fucking broad kick and and the in the muscle buster and shit. Fell on! You know, like hit him with the accolade, because you know He already did that, uh Oh, he did? Yeah, he did the accolade. Oh. See, there's my point.
SPEAKER_01:He did the walls of Jericho. I don't remember He totally did the walls of Jericho. They even made the comment about him breaking out the walls.
SPEAKER_03:Well, see, there you go. Here's my problem right now. And I I'm I'm still waiting. I'm going to wait, and I think I am going to do just a full-on video about this, but I'm going to continue to say John Cena's retirement run is garbage. A waste of my fucking time. I do appreciate that we did get this AJ Styles match.
SPEAKER_01:I feel like out of everything so far, that was the best match out of his run.
SPEAKER_03:Which is a cry for help. Sure. I can all I can almost agree that this was probably one of his upper better matches that he's had this whole run. But at the same time, it's like when you look at what had to go in, I mean, sure. I might be able to kind of agree with our boy AJ Styles, where he's all like, which I thought was kind of like a funny thing that he did. All with him reading off the stuff. Well, no, no, no. Because AJ Styles, after he had his match on Monday, he was all like, uh, it's like, real quick, I just want to say that, you know, because he was saying how he he's looking forward to having this match with John Cena, da da da. And it's like, and you don't have to have a story going into a match like this. And da-da-da-da. I'm like, AJ Styles, come on now. I mean, sure, you guys got such big names, you know, but at the same time, a story have having aside from the fact that Triple H just said, sure, you guys can fight each other, like, you know, it there's a difference between the first two times these two fought each other versus this match. The first two times these guys fought each other, those were great matches. This match was okay. The first two times they fought each other, I cared about it a lot more. Granted, there was also a title involved, too. But even then, I cared about it more. This one, I cared about it only only because this is the retirement thing. And then they go into it and they do all the this this these call outs and spot fest situations. And I'm just like, it fell flat to me. I did, I will say I did enjoy it to a certain degree, but like they didn't impress me like Brunson Reed did and Roman Reigns.
SPEAKER_01:I I enjoy, I mean, listen here. While the Bronson, the the the fight, the street fight match was great, I'm gonna say to me, I enjoyed the John Cena and AJ style match more as more fun. Story-wise, the street fight had way better out of any match out here. Because I mean, like, yeah, they tried to build the story for the Seth and Cody match, and there is a story there. And especially with beforehand, you know, Paul Hammond says, yo, even if he's flaring his arms or whatever, do not go out there. He needs to do this. And then with them asking, like, well, what if he doesn't win? I think you already know the answer to that. Like that would there's a story there, you know? But I feel like, like I said before the John Cena and AJ Style match, I had a lot more fun with that. I say to me, that was match of the night. I had just way too much fun with that. Like I said before, there were moments where I was like, all right, man, you're doing too many of these moves. And like, are you gonna say if if this is gonna be how your last four matches are with paying homage to every wrestler who you cannot wrestle, save some moves.
SPEAKER_03:Save some moves. See, my issue with that thought is the fact that why save the moves? Because there's a lot of wrestlers that he could have wrestled during this whole particular time. How many how many days did he have? Yeah, it's four now. No, no, no, no. At the start of all this, it was like 50 something, I think. Like, no, it was it was like a hundred and something days. He had a hundred and something dates.
SPEAKER_01:I don't think it was that many, but it's only a year, but continue on, continue.
SPEAKER_03:Oh, it was it was it was up there because like in the very early time when he won the boat, like it was it was up there. I'm pretty certain he had like at least a hundred and something dates. But even then, even if it was just fifty, right? Of those fifty, he's had like nine matches and of those nine, he fought one person twice.
SPEAKER_01:Pretty much uh his farewell tour, it it had approximately thirty-six dates. It was thirty-six? Yeah. Nah, it was more than that. I'm gonna have to check that again because I'm I'm I'm looking at it. Trying to update on his son. It was more than 36. Um Yeah, is it saying that? No, I'm everywhere, everywhere I'm looking at it's only just trying to tell me about the last four. Why only yeah, why only 36 appearances? It says John Cena reveals he's planning to work around 36 dates on his retirement tour. And this was wait, on his favorite retirement tour. So maybe it was around that amount, but we'll we'll get to it though. But either way. So if we so 36.
SPEAKER_03:And of those 36 out of 52, yeah, he only had he only wrestled a very small amount of them. And like I said, of the ones that and of those dates, like for me, I feel as if if this was gonna be his farewell tour, I figured he was gonna be wrestling everybody. I thought he would be there every night, too. Well, I mean, I can understand if he's not there every night, but I figured he would have a match with someone each time. I would imagine, like, people are all like, you know what, Johnson, you think you're gonna leave Let me whoop your ass, type shit. Like, I I figured he was gonna be wrestling the whole time. He made it sound like he was. He made it sound like he was gonna be wrestling the whole time, but instead he he doesn't wrestle and he just gets put in the elimination chamber, which is where he was. Was it? Oh, yeah. Maybe he lost the Royal Rumble's at the end. He did go to the Royal Rumble. He was just put into the Royal Rumble, too. He didn't fight to get in there like other people did. They just like, hey, go into the Royal Rumble. I mean, it's John Cena, though. Go into the elimination chamber. Am I going to say no to John Cena? See, that's the problem with the upper mid-card right fucking now. People like John Cena and Brock Lesnar. We have all of these motherfuckers out here who are fighting to get to the top like LA Knight and shit, trying to get, you know, trying to get to their get to the top so that they can have their time to shine. And then all of a sudden, John Cena comes in and it's like, hey, guess what, LA Knight? Uh, stay in the mid-card, uh, live there, um, buy the house, uh, pay it off, because you're going nowhere up here. And then John Cena spends half of this year just cluttering up the title picture with bullshit. And then Cody Rose gets the belt just for the title picture to continue to be cluttered up with uh bullshit. And then LA Knight goes to A Raw to continue to try and peek his way into an area where the title picture is cluttered up with bullshit. And it's like, why? Why that this is why niggas leave and go to AEW, because at least at least they can, I don't know, like become main inventors. You know what I'm saying? But like with dumb stuff like this, where we have AJ Styles and John Cena facing each other, just just doing everybody's finishing moves just for the cheap pops, like waste my time. And then, of course, we're further wasting our time because of the fact that this is a pay-per-view where no actual title matches are really being had and tiles are being exchanged. But before I get the sound rule, but before I get into the final match, no, wait, we never went into the EO match.
SPEAKER_01:I know.
SPEAKER_03:That's why I said before we get into the final match, because I'm talking about fighting for fake titles out here in rings. The uh EOSky and uh Rhea versus the Abuki Warriors. Kabuki Warriors, yes. Kabuki, my bad. I this would probably be my second favorite match of the night.
SPEAKER_01:It was definitely good, because you know, all the women in the ring are fucking phenomenal. Yes, better than the guys. They can they can uh as someone said, they can phone in the match and there'll still be at least a C, if not a B. Oh yeah.
SPEAKER_03:And and they definitely didn't phone it in, but like Which the John C the match was a C for me, throwing that out there. It was a high C. Nope, straight solid for me.
SPEAKER_01:All right, but either way, um, but uh with the Rio, sorry, Rio, EO versus Kabuki War match.
SPEAKER_03:Funny enough, that's actually what people like. So what do we call their test? Yeah, Rio.
SPEAKER_01:Rio? That's why I was like, I I want to make sure, because I don't know if everybody was saying that yet, but uh that match was pretty solid. Like I said before, you know, these women are phenomenal wrestlers, they can't really fuck up match as a group. They all have amazing chemistry, especially with the Kabuki Warriors and Eosky. Rhea has been working with these women for years. It's just at this point, it's like being given a task at your job by like the most like the people you you started the job with. So y'all like, oh we know how to do this.
SPEAKER_03:Listen, I something that I did notice about that match was like there were some points, there were some moments where I felt like uh uh EO and uh and um Ria. Not Eo and Rhea, but uh EO and uh Asuka. There were certain points in the match where I felt like they kind of sort of lost themselves a little bit and thought they was back in New Japan. Cause they was beating the fuck out of each other.
SPEAKER_01:No, that's just what friends do.
SPEAKER_03:They was putting hands. That's what friends do, though.
SPEAKER_01:I mean, Chuck Way said it himself, man, when y'all when he was going in Sean, you beat your friends up harder.
SPEAKER_03:I mean, no, I know that that is true, but there was just like a like when Rhea would get in the ring, they lightened up. But like when when Asuka and Eo was going at it, or or even with Kyrie, boy, ooh, wee. Boy, they was they weren't holding back.
SPEAKER_01:No, that Kai. Kyrie's elbows, the insane elbows when you were doing the tag finish. Anytime she does that shit, it just looked like the elbow just goes to the throat. Damn, it was it knew.
SPEAKER_03:They were they was putting hands to body. Like they was they was Hands and feet.
SPEAKER_01:Because you know Oscar got the feet too.
SPEAKER_03:That that part. Hands and feet to head and gut. Like it was they was going in on each other. But like there was a part of me that was almost thinking that that the Abuk the the the Kabuki Warriors would win this. But I'm curious.
SPEAKER_01:Ria's Rhea's home, so yeah, that's why.
SPEAKER_03:But but even then with them being home, like I I know they're not afraid to make someone lose in their hometown.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah. But I will say that uh I feel like the Kabuki Wars was already getting too much like up against them, so they kind of had to get their get back.
SPEAKER_03:Which that makes perfect sense. That makes that makes perfect sense as far as that goes, and that's kind of sort of the way that I rationalized it for myself when watching the match. But um the uh my phone.
SPEAKER_01:Nope, it's good.
SPEAKER_03:But uh the one thing that I will say is that with this particular, like as well as with the way that this match ended is like my only gripe about it, because it's like I know it's not over because EO and and uh and Asuka have to have their match. But like they didn't do anything to further that thought process that that's probably what's going to happen.
SPEAKER_01:Unless Asuka says Asuka's not done with you yet.
SPEAKER_03:But that's the thing, nothing was said.
SPEAKER_01:I mean, like, I'm talking about like raw, like EO's doing something, all of a sudden I know where to Which sure, but like it's a whole 20 more than 24 hours later.
SPEAKER_03:So it's like there's like at this point, it would have been what? This happened Saturday, Sunday, so this is two days later type thing. And so it's like at this point, it's like eh, whatever. You know, now maybe they will on Raw, but I f but like when you look at how what happened with TNA, you know, things happened, but then things happen afterwards on the stuff that you know there's going to be more to come type thing. Oh, okay. And it's like that's one of the things that I feel that wrestling as a whole has kind of gotten away from. Because when you look at like old pay-per-views, like if the feud ended right then, then yes. But then, like, if you know there's supposed to be more that's going to come to it, there's a backstage segment that happens. Something else is said or something else is done to show the fact that, oh, we're not over yet.
SPEAKER_01:I think because just like how you know with the women's uh crown jewel like title match, they only had 10 minutes and the the pay-per-view was slowing down real quick because after that match, they went right into Cody and Seth. And this match was good, but these finishers on the top rope, man, the crossroads finisher on the top rope, Cody. Get a new finisher, bro. Get a fucking new finisher, dude. Bruv. Because if you can't do an avalanche crossroads to get a dub, your move is poo-doo.
SPEAKER_03:And that is that that's probably my biggest gripe as well. The match in itself wasn't bad, and I like the little mini story that they told in the match. Now, as a fan, I hate how the match ended, yes, but that's because heels are gonna heal. So separating me as a fan watching and me as a podcaster giving a review on the match, which is a fan that's watching uh for the most part, but but but try trying not to allow my my hate for the heel getting the dub as he did, cloud my judgment on giving the rating for the match. Cuz if that be the case, this would have been an E. Cause because I hate how it ended. I absolutely hate that shit, but at the same time, I'm like fucking fuck you, Seth, and your heel ass fuck ass motherfucker. But um, but overall, like the the the spamming of finishers needs to stop.
SPEAKER_01:Actually, Russell Lamia even said that too, because it's like you're watering down finishers.
SPEAKER_03:Finishers don't mean it. If anything, at this point, you need a new finish. You need a new finish. It's one thing for the champ. Well, now I will also say they're both champions. So sure. Them both being champions, I can understand kicking out of maybe the first I will say the first two times.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, first.
SPEAKER_03:But once you've done it a third time, and what so the first time you kick out, I get it. The second time, you barely kick out, and you're selling like you're about to fucking die. The third time you don't kick out and you are laying in the ring, and someone is helping you out of that ring. You're on somebody's shoulders because you have been beaten and you have taken the finish so many goddamn times you can barely stand on your feet.
SPEAKER_01:The most protected move in WWE right now is the tsunami. It is the most protected. Because anybody that's getting it, they get put on stretchers.
SPEAKER_03:And they're not getting that no, I don't think anyone's kicked out of tsunami. Now I just said that. The tsunami right now really is the because one tsunami puts you out of the match, three tsunamis will put you on a stretcher, will also have you wearing tape the next day. Four tsunamis will put you on the injured list, four plus tsunamis, four and higher, you're on the injured list, and you're not coming back for a couple of days or weeks, which was Roman the first time, and and so uh to what you were saying, crossroads off the top rope after several other crossroads, fuck out of here.
SPEAKER_01:Get a new finish, fuck out of here. It's not even a finish, it's a it's it's literally a garnish at this point. Really, it is like it's it's a fucking garnish, which technically are finishes, but still. Like it's it's not even a main course, it's nothing, bro. It's it's it's just a garnish, it's a garnish, bro.
SPEAKER_03:It's crazy, and and then like and then when you think about what Seth Rollins had to do, he hit him in the face with the brass nuts of watches. William Reg would be proud. Clocked him in the face with the the watch, he pedigreed him, and then curve stomped him. Yeah, hit him with the hunter special.
SPEAKER_01:Like, all of that. And this is after what, two other curve stomps here and pedigrees? Here's another thing I noticed that WWE does. I don't know if everybody does this, but they'll do like two moves, and that lets you know the the match is over. So, like, like Sammy's A right now, Huluva kick Blue Thunder. You know, um the like I know CM Punk sometimes he'll do a specific move and then he'll immediately transition to GTS.
SPEAKER_03:I mean, we have the dead eye and the buckshot Lariat.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, like he'll do the dead eye and then all of a sudden he'll go in the apron, he'll do buckshot, and it's over. Like it's never a I do the move and it's done. It's normally like see, like even CM Punk, Tombstone, immediately put him into the AA.
SPEAKER_03:Now, I will say that's kind of sort of always been a thing because But it's more prominent than ever. Now, like with them, like the uh doing it immediately is a little different. So for instance, Randy Orton used to have um well, Randy Orton, he'll do the Vintage Orton. The uh that is I mean, yeah, vintage Orton. I guess that's what they call it. I think it's even called on the game. But it which yeah, which which overall is a uh Springboard D. Springboard.
SPEAKER_01:Hey man DT, right?
SPEAKER_03:I think that's closer. But uh, but yeah, like he just you know DTs him and then afterwards he sets up for the RKO.
SPEAKER_01:That's a setup though.
SPEAKER_03:But though, but we call those the it's it's those are well what what we call in the wrestling games, they call them the signature moves.
SPEAKER_01:Yes.
SPEAKER_03:So it's like the deadeye isn't a signature move. It's his second finish. It's his his his alternative finishing move. Yep. And so just like with Randy, like so with Randy Orton, when he hits that D, that is a signature move, or what also used to be considered a signature signature move. Uh yeah, yeah. And so, and then and then after that, he will do the as what would be called the wake-up taunt, which is waiting for them to get up so that he can do the RKO type situation. And that's usually how that's kind of like the formula your signature move, you do your little wake-up taunt, and then you hit your finish kind of thing. As like in this match, neither of them have a wake-up taunt. They're the Cody cutter, I guess, is a signature. And but like he also just does it because there was like several Cody cutters from different levels of the rope, uh, and then it's like there were several crossroads and from a different level of the rope. Same with Seth Rollins, he doesn't really have a signature, he just curved stomps, and and I I but I want to say Falconero.
SPEAKER_01:Okay, I think Falconero is one of his uh signatures outside of the pedigree.
SPEAKER_03:Actually, yeah, Falconero does make sense as one of his finishers, but or his signatures, but like his finisher is the pedigree. And the stomp. And the stomp. But it's like now we're out here doubling up on these, or if you're Cody, you're fucking doing it three times in a row, and it's like I don't know, man. It's they they gotta fix that, and I I hope they do.
SPEAKER_01:I just I don't think they will because they they haven't done it yet, but um this match was pretty good. There was no outside interference, so it just gave you a straight-up match between the two. You got the better person, which you know, moving forward with the story. He cheated. I mean, but hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, did he get caught? I guess there's that. Yeah, so you know, he technically won with the best way he could as a heel. Um this this like I said, the pay-per-view all around was very much a C. Funny enough, uh ESPN gave it a B, which I mean, like a lot of people are giving it like they're giving it shit for the fact that ESPN gave him a B. And I'm like, dude, I mean, if anything, it was a B. Like if you kinda, but not really.
SPEAKER_03:For me, it's almost a B. Yeah, like I can understand why ESPN would give it a B. Cause number one, the build to these matches were a lot better. Mm-hmm. So going into this pay-per-view, even though I made myself go into this pay-per-view with no expectations, yeah, I did admit that this pay-per-view beat my original expectations. Because with it this this pay-per-view at least washed off the stank that was Russell Palooza.
SPEAKER_01:That's that's what everybody's saying. It washed off everything, so it gave it a clean slate.
SPEAKER_03:So, but now it's like, alright, so how are we going to continue from this?
SPEAKER_01:Yeah.
SPEAKER_03:Because right now, when I Survivor Series is next. When I look at all of this, none of this spells disaster for anyone as far as Survivor Series, as far as I'm concerned. Nothing in this pay-per-view, nothing happened in this pay-per-view.
SPEAKER_01:MFTs are gonna probably be going against the Wyatt's, and I feel like that might be a war game.
SPEAKER_03:Like, for all intents and purposes, when you look at this pay-per-view, the only things that you're going to get out of this pay-per-view on uh is the only things that you know for sure you're getting out of this pay-per-view is whatever's gonna happen with the bloodline and the and vision, and uh what's the next step between uh EO and Rhea and the Kabuki Warrior situation. Everything under this pay-per-view doesn't fucking matter. Tiffany and Stephanie are done. That's not happening anymore. Cody and Seth. We're not gonna continue with that. Cody and Seth, for all intents and purposes, are definitely going to be done because Cody lost, and there's no real reason for Cody to harp on it, kind of thing, because he cuz because who cares? It's not like they're gonna try and fight each other for each other's belts or anything. No. So it's like so that that's a that's a that's a dead end. And then we already know John Cena's matches don't fucking matter. They're just for us to just watch him fuck around in the rings uh f for another four more appearances. So it's like you pull up that fantastic four, bro. Get that bullshit out of here. It's nothing. What's that mean? What's that mean? There's nothing fantastic about whatever these four other Two of the dates are on raw.
SPEAKER_01:Which means nothing's going to happen. So literally, his last two events of matches are Survivor Series and literally Saturday's Minute.
SPEAKER_03:And then I saw the fact that apparently there's supposed to be a tournament. I don't know how true it is.
SPEAKER_01:It's no, it's a tournament to who is gonna be John Cena's. Who's gonna be John Stephen's last match? Spoiler alert, they already spoiled it. Yeah, it's Gunther. It's Gunther.
SPEAKER_03:And so it's like I can't wait for the shit to be over.
SPEAKER_01:But you brought Gunther can fuck them out, though.
SPEAKER_03:I can yes, we yes, absolutely. And I can't wait for this whole thing to be over so that I can talk my shit about it. I'm I I was going to talk shit about it, but I'm like, wait, wait, wait. Let me see how let me give them a chance to do whatever they can to try and redeem it. And after this loss to Brock Lesnar, and we're just gonna act like that never happened, and we're just gonna move forward from it, and then just uh hey, you want me to fight AJ Styles? AJ Styles like, yeah, I want me to fight John Cena. Triple H like, hey, I wanna beat up John Cena. Triple H, hey, that's a great idea. You know what? You guys are fighting now.
SPEAKER_01:Literally what happened. Where is the lie? Crown Jewel was definitely a high C. It's a high C.
SPEAKER_03:It's just the C for me.
SPEAKER_01:High C because of the two the first two, the the well, the the hardcore match, the Street Fight, and the Cena matches. There, that was the only two matches I cared about. Everything else was like, okay. Very sad about Tiffany Stratt and his Stephanie match.
SPEAKER_03:I didn't want that. I was very sad about that. See, now I have to go back and watch what you saw that talked about it. I I had high I had high hopes for it. Yeah. I even though and that's the other piece about that match, is the fact that like there was no build for it. Nope. It was just that, oh, y'all two are gonna face. Okay, I'll see you at the pay-per-view. Tiffany, I'll see you there too, because it's Tiffy time. Their their contract thing, hey, I've un I'm undefeated in the ring as a woman's champion. And then Stephanie's like, I just got this belt, but I'm gonna prove myself. Tiffy time, La Primera sign the contract, da-da-da, we're done. Cool, cool. They have the little tag match against the jobber Julia and her friend, and uh alright, we're done with that too. Basically. And now we're here, they have their match. Alright, cool. Tiffany's gonna go over there, La Primera's gonna go over there. Uh, who cares? She's gonna probably wear the ring on Raw, and we'll never see that ring again. We're not gonna see that belt either. But uh that too. That as a matter of fact, I'm pretty certain that belt as of right now is in Saudi Arabia underneath the lock and key with the laser fucking shit.
SPEAKER_01:It was in Australia, though.
SPEAKER_03:So I know. And like I said, right now, as this very moment, that bitch is already home. That that listen, that Stephanie went to the back, uh Stephanie went to the back, and as soon as she went back in there, as soon as she went back there, they took the belt off her, put it on the fucking plate, clipped it, threw it in the back of the limo.
SPEAKER_01:Not the police.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, bro. Listen, that same day shipping, brother. I'm so dead.
SPEAKER_01:Oh man, but all this wrestling this week, I am so fucking tired. Um, we do have an AEW pay-per-view coming up next week. And uh big whoop. I'll be out of time, but we still gonna make it happen.
SPEAKER_03:So uh final thoughts about these super per views before we call the and next week, we're it are we apps, it's it's we're definitely we're doing it, no, what no camera?
SPEAKER_01:Uh no camera. Yeah, probably just gonna do a just do audio. Since um, you know, we're gonna be up in I'll be in Illinois, and camera situation will be very difficult, but we'll see we'll we'll see what we're gonna do. But either way, final final thoughts on this weekend of wrestling, Crown Jewel, and Bound for Glory.
SPEAKER_03:And this is just the weekend of wrestling. I mean, uh TNA's TNA is up and they want the smoke. Uh and WWE uh, I mean, better than last time. Better than WrestlePalooza.
SPEAKER_01:Yes, very much so. You took an ECW title and ruined it.
SPEAKER_03:There was a point when I was watching this show, and I'm thinking I was almost like, ooh, are they trying to trying to top this, make there be like their the new top uh uh uh uh show that they've had?
SPEAKER_01:They said that they tried, but I was gonna be almost as quick uh almost the equivalent of WrestleMania, so that's why ESPN which is crazy because WrestleMania was ass too.
SPEAKER_03:So listen, bro, listen. The best show that WWE has put on this year is Evolve. Let's be honest, let's be real. The best show they've put on this year is Evolve. WrestleMania was ass. SummerSlam was poo-doo. Let's not even talk about money in the bank. What the fuck is a WrestlePalooza? Like Night of Champions. At least you're nice enough to bring it up. So, like, listen, Evolve was peak pay-per-view watching for this year so far, as far as WWE goes. I haven't been watching Evolve, so I gotta check it out. I'm sorry. My fault. However, Evolve is actually really good too. But like pay-per-view-wise, evolution. The all-female pay-per-view is the best pay-per-view they've had all year long.
SPEAKER_01:I'm gonna have to watch this one again because I'm like best of the year. You forgot? No, I mean like I remember the pay-per-view, but I'm like seeing it's best of the year, bro.
SPEAKER_03:Bro, please make that be your homework for this one. I would do that. I need you to watch that pay-per-view and try to see if you can force yourself to skim through the rest of the absolute hot garbo that we've been subjected to this year. Because WrestleMania was trash.
SPEAKER_01:Royal Rumbles was trash?
SPEAKER_03:Royal Rumble was trash.
SPEAKER_01:Okay.
SPEAKER_03:Well, you know what? Royal Rumble wasn't trash, but it wasn't evolution. I'll tell you that. Okay. Freaking.
SPEAKER_01:Okay, yeah, yeah. Okay. When you look at Becky, okay.
SPEAKER_03:I would say the only thing, the thing that comes second to Evolution is Elimination Chamber this year. Elimination Chamber is a close second place. And that's not taking account into what the hindsight of the 2020 being. Because the John Cena Hill turn was amazingly cool to see. However, what happens after it makes it garbage, which is why WrestleMania was absolute hot garbage.
SPEAKER_01:No, looking at this card, yeah. No, I remember some of these matches, especially the Tiffany and Tiffany and Trish match. Even though that wasn't really that much Billboard, it was still good. Naomi winning the title was good. Stephanie Vikier winning the Battle Royal. That was good. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Especially the Becky and uh Lyra match. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_03:But yeah, no, and that now now look at that and and take some time and just look at the pay-per-views that have happened this year. Now, when you and and now think about this now. You almost don't even have to. Just look at our past fucking uh podcast.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, I just talked to you.
SPEAKER_03:We started doing our podcast for WrestleMania. WrestleMania was our first pay-per-view we did for a podcast. Okay. And going into that, shit was already ass. We just didn't know it yet. We didn't know it yet. We thought we was looking at something amazing going into WrestleMania, and then when WrestleMania hit, we're sitting here right in your front room, like with the Travis Kai shit, yeah.
SPEAKER_01:Where's the rock? Yeah, yeah, yeah. It was it was bad.
SPEAKER_03:And it's been and it's been bad. And then and then Evolution came up, it was like, oh my gosh, this is wrestling. This is wrestling. And then they forgot.
SPEAKER_01:Yep. And then it's and then and then we got WrestlePalooza. Swag hasn't forgot. That's all that matters. Swag hasn't forgot.
SPEAKER_03:But I don't forget.
SPEAKER_01:Um overall, I would say, yes, this week of wrestling has been crazy. I'm extremely tired because of just how crazy this week has been. But we do again have a AEW pay-per-view coming up next week. We'll be back again. Story will be with us, and hopefully we'll have Alex. I think so.
SPEAKER_03:He did say he should be down for it.
SPEAKER_01:And so, bro, I'm I'm gonna need you to completely cleanse your Instagram, bro. What the fuck was that, bro? It's this guy. He's just he oh yeah, he always does that. Yeah, yeah, he'd be like, I just opened the app. He purposely does that. Like, bro, I know you make content, like you'll look at the video and be like, oh, I'm gonna do a video about this, and you don't be like, oh, I just got on the app. Like, no, bro, you don't. No, you you do these on purpose anyway.
SPEAKER_03:Um, but this is homie almost got me in trouble. I don't know, yeah. Like, I'm like, damn, bro, what's going on?
SPEAKER_01:So, uh as always, guys, we'll be back next week. And as you always will remember, the ring is sacred. The questions are real, the destruction is guaranteed. It's the Masaku. It is your boy.
SPEAKER_03:Swag switching in the building. And of course, tag team titles represent for the House of Spades here.
SPEAKER_01:And we out till next time,