Book, Bump or Bury Pt.2

Forget lazy nostalgia. We’re pulling the hood off what actually makes a wrestling character print money—and why so many modern gimmicks stall on impact. We start with legacy and identity: how Natalya’s pink-and-black aura lifts and limits, why Cody smartly dodges polka dots, and where Goldust’s brilliance met an era that wouldn’t let him peak. Then we dig into the Million Dollar blueprint. Ted DiBiase didn’t just brag—he bought leverage and forced choices. That’s why MJF works: he turns resources into story. If wealth doesn’t change outcomes, it’s just wardrobe.

From there, we get surgical with booking. Monsters aren’t only barbed wire; they’re stakes. Personally, we love Abyss. Business-wise, Samoa Joe’s range headlines cards. We unpack the optics of a believable world champion, how to bump without burying, and why your division dies when every other TV match becomes a plunder match. The fix isn’t more glass; it’s pacing and selling. Let violence be rare, let the aftermath linger, and watch the feud’s value compound.

We widen the lens, too. There’s a whole universe outside the weekly U.S. loop. New Japan and NOAH offer structure, discipline, and stories that breathe. That contrast frames our faction and tag-team debates: Fortune vs Main Event Mafia, and the three-way firestorm of Hardys, Dudleys, and Beer Money. Who carries the belt, who eats the pin, and who actually grows the pie? We call it straight and back it with logic: story over stunts, consequence over cheap pops, booking that builds a world fans want to live in.

If you’re ready for a smarter take on heels, monsters, and tag gold—where character choices have price tags and matches have memory—hit play, then tell us your book–bump–bury picks. Subscribe, share with a wrestling friend, and drop a review with your hottest booking call.

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Chapters

• 0:00 Legacies, Gimmicks, And Natty’s Ceiling
• 3:00 The Money Heel: DiBiase vs. Modern Attempts
• 7:40 MJF As The Contemporary Million-Dollar Template
• 12:20 EVPs, Booking Power, And Fan Fatigue
• 16:30 Money Incorporated, Hitmen, And Heel Worldbuilding
• 20:10 Monsters: Abyss, Rhino, Joe—Business vs Personal
• 26:00 Gold Themes: Goldust, Shelton, And Championship Optics
• 31:00 Workhorses Debate: Shawn, Seth, And Gargano
• 36:30 New Japan, NOAH, And Watching Beyond WWE/AEW
• 41:20 Deathmatches, Overuse, And The Lost Art Of Selling
• 48:30 Women’s Wrestling, Main Events, And What Draws
• 53:00 Knockouts Booking: Kong, ODB, And Roxy
• 57:30 Factions Faceoff: Fortune, Mafia, And Aces & Eights
• 1:02:00 Tag Team Heat: Hardys, Dudleys, And Beer Money
• 1:07:30 Wrap-Up And Calls For GM Opinions

Transcript

SPEAKER_05: 0:13

The American nightmare, but you don't see him rocking polka dots and shit. He's actually never done.

unknown: 0:20

No.

SPEAKER_05: 0:20

Thank God. Yeah. I don't I don't I hope he doesn't. But like, you know, like you look at uh but because then on the flip side, you look at Natalia Nightheart, and it's like she's only gotten so far as being the pink and black such such. Now when we talk about Natty, the low-key legend?

SPEAKER_04: 0:44

Yes. What about her?

SPEAKER_05: 0:46

Yeah, so so you see that difference between the low-key legend and Natty Nightheart here, right?

SPEAKER_03: 0:53

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05: 0:53

Where you know, she she she did flourish a little bit, you know, doing the Bret Hart stuff and like how her dad was, but then it paused. Now, granted, I'll also say, respectfully, I think she is a much better talent than what her father was. And so about Natty? Yes. Better than Jim? I think I think she is I think she outshines him.

SPEAKER_04: 1:23

I'm not gonna lie, he was just the beard and the laugh. I mean the goatee, excuse me, not beard, goatee.

SPEAKER_05: 1:29

But like, I think Natty Natty took what he did and elevated it. And but it's like on the flip side of something like that, when you look at Dwayne Johnson and his and his daughter. You see where I'm getting at with that, right? Gosh, Dwayne, she's not I don't I don't it is what it is, but like going back to the original bit though, people are over the money, the money uh gimmick because nobody knows how to do it properly.

SPEAKER_04: 2:05

I thought also feel like they're not gonna pull the trigger on certain things that Teddy Vyase used to do. Like, remember the basketball thing? Like, yo, if you could dribble this ball this many times, you'll get$100. Boom, boom, boom, kick the ball. Like, no, like people probably on social media would be like, yo, what without context? Without context. You know what I'm saying? And I feel like, just like you said before, they play it safe too much.

SPEAKER_05: 2:28

I agree. But even but even with that particular bit, like even having the money gimmick, I don't think is the problem. It's just the way that whoever is doing the the person who is given the money gimmick, they don't know how to carry it. Okay, because you can't just give anybody any old gimmick. Yeah, you can't. Like.

SPEAKER_04: 2:54

So, to put my stance on that, yes, I would agree. Mainly because out of I am a Ted DiBiase fan, but because of the years of us utilizing Ted DiBiase and our well, in your promotion and the stories that you have driven, just like how you said before, you you know how to book a Ted DiBiase. It's kind of not hard to book a Ted DiBiase. He's he's a villain, but he's a conniving and smart villain, and he's utilizing money. He is the equivalent of if you don't, if you don't look at MJF as a Jersey boy, he could be that. He could. He's done it in some situations. MJF is probably MJF could be like the closest thing to a Teddy Yaski.

SPEAKER_05: 3:42

Yeah, he really could be. And it's like, and he and talking about like, you know, getting the whole like I'm rich gimmick type situation, like he'd be the perfect example of something like that. Hell, you actually see him kind of pull the stunt a little bit. Like, you saw him, what, he went to Gates of Agony and uh in them, and he was all like, hey, listen, uh, I know I don't like you and you don't like me, however, I got some lucrative business that I think I can interest you that we are in in uh in handling a situation that you and I uh are that'll put you and I on the same sides of the coin type situation. And you could literally take that if you was inserting the money thing, it's like, hey, listen, I know you don't like me, but I got some pretty heavy pockets that would uh that might be able to sway you to help me out with a situation that has also been a problem of yours. And this was when they decide to uh, you know, attempt to or threaten to set uh uh the Briscoe on fire. Oh, yeah, that part. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But it's like for all tens and purposes, in that particular sense, MJF went to an old enemy of his, paid him off to help him get his lick back indirectly to try and con himself into a title shot, which is the exact same type of thing that uh D.B. Aussie would do. Hell, Ted D.

SPEAKER_04: 5:15

Maybe not set a motherfucker on fire, but yeah.

SPEAKER_05: 5:18

Ted DB Aussie paid Andre the Giant to win the heavyweight title to give it to him.

SPEAKER_04: 5:26

Yes. Like make it make sense.

SPEAKER_05: 5:32

I mean, I mean not maybe say make it make sense, but like And it's funny because we're talking about these, you know, this particular kind of gimmick, and like there's the people that you said freaking, so we're just not gonna talk about when our um our uh what was that cowboy's name?

SPEAKER_04: 5:46

Goddamn uh you talking about uh uh uh in NXT when he got the million dollars on the oh shit. I forgot I ain't I ain't gonna say I forgot that nigga I'm not gonna say I forgot that nigga, but like Travis. Um was it Travis something? Whatever happened to him in WWE?

SPEAKER_02: 6:09

Contract expired, never got it.

SPEAKER_04: 6:10

But like he he didn't do anything wrong, like I don't think. I don't think in the comments, please let us know what happened to Trevor. It was Trevor, I think, right?

SPEAKER_03: 6:21

Trevor, yeah, it was Trevor. Yeah, it was Trevor. Yeah, I said Travis, Trevor.

SPEAKER_05: 6:24

Um yeah, I know, but like yeah, it's and I think he was he did just fine. The only thing was he also went bankrupt.

SPEAKER_04: 6:36

The Bucks tried to do it too.

SPEAKER_05: 6:38

Now the Bucks is a different thing.

SPEAKER_04: 6:43

I know, I'm I was just shooting shit.

SPEAKER_05: 6:44

Now, now you now that you said that though, is that why people are saying they're tired of like the rental?

SPEAKER_04: 6:50

No, no, no. With the Bucs is the EVP shit. It's the it's the the authority all over again. It's literally that. Like, oh yeah, uh, we could just not book you, you fucker. We don't like you at all, you know, whatever. And we're booking us in the tag team division to win the tag titles because we're the Bucks. So um, but to give my uh input, yes, I would probably book D Vyase, and I have to thank Swag for that because while I love DBYassy, the true nature of what D Vyassy has done that I've seen is through Swag's promotion. Uh that he made years ago, which Volt Tackle, uh Volt Tackle Championship Wrestling.

SPEAKER_01: 7:33

The VTCW.

SPEAKER_04: 7:34

Yeah, and some of the things that um DByasi has done has led me to be also associated with other characters that were created, like Vega, which we would have to change his name at some point. But either way, uh it's just interesting stuff like that. Uh there are a lot of things that that Ted DiBiasy and that promotion has done.

SPEAKER_05: 7:55

That's like that's wild. And uh Well is referred in the wrestling game. I had Ted DB, because at the time when this was going on, uh JBL was also still wrestling. And so I made Ted DiBiassi and JBL in the wrestling game being tag team. And they were just called Money Incorporated. Which was the original name, yeah. And so Money Incorporated, they were pretty much they were like powerhouse rich guys that did whatever they wanted and got away with whatever they needed to.

SPEAKER_00: 8:28

Think of the four horse.

SPEAKER_05: 8:29

They would literally, they would literally pay other people to fight matches for them. They actually hired a hitman, funny enough, from Mexico to take out certain characters and all this other stuff. Like they were the most dasturly heels that would, you know, the dastily heels with money that went to a certain point, but they never kept the big one type situation.

SPEAKER_04: 8:56

It was interesting enough because this hitman ended up actually becoming a wrestler. He wasn't originally a wrestler, he was a hitman who then later became a wrestler. Interesting. Story, people, story, all right.

SPEAKER_05: 9:10

So the story will get anybody over. That's just that's just what it is. And wrestling has seemed to forgot.

SPEAKER_04: 9:18

But uh to answer again, DB Yassi. I'm going with because I said go. Um go doesn't and Sheldon Benjamin. Yeah. Uh there's there's no need to answer with Sheldon Benjamin. That gold standard shit was stupid to me. So you're you're you're pretty much going with what I said. Yeah, yeah. That one I made on the fly, by the way. I made that one on the fly.

unknown: 9:44

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05: 9:45

And then there is if I'm running my business, who I would book, bump, and bury. Now, personally, out of all that you said, I'm burying Motor City machine guns. I'm probably going to uh bump down uh the uh Dudleys, and I'm pushing beer money.

SPEAKER_04: 10:12

Damn it, I thought that was gonna work. All right, cool. Yeah, that was that was where I was going to.

SPEAKER_05: 10:24

Like, and the thing is, if I'm doing this, like if like if I'm faking like like who I should like logically do out of those three, actually, now that I really kind of wrote it around in my head, it doesn't change. It doesn't change. There is a point where I would almost want to book the Dudleys, but I found beer, but I think beer money is just more appealing overall. I can do great story with beer money.

SPEAKER_04: 10:59

Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Um, we're gonna go with monster edition.

SPEAKER_05: 11:05

Okay. Monsters.

SPEAKER_04: 11:06

Uh, and you know what? Is this is this tough because I already know who you're booking with this one. My curiosity is who are you burying? And matter of fact, no, no, no, no. I'm gonna I'm gonna actually assume here real quick who you would do before you fucking say it. Abyss, rhino, Samoa Joe. I know who you're booking.

SPEAKER_05: 11:35

Abyss, rhino, and Samoa Joe. It's this one is this one is tough because it really more so just once again, it's that whole thing like if because like if if I'm looking at like where am I going to make my money, then there's one way. But who I personally would do is a different way, which I'm sure you would you are looking at me because you know who I personally would book would probably book bump and bury.

SPEAKER_04: 12:16

Yes.

SPEAKER_05: 12:17

But if but but if I was trying to run my wrestling business, if I am playing GMO, and who am I booking as my top star, bumping down to mid-card and making take the pin and burying? Obviously, it's gonna be Rhino who's going to get buried. Unfortunately, he's always been buried. God's very disrespectful, but it is what it is. Those are just some those are just the laws of the land and uh the way the hierarchy is just kind of pinpointed and put. And when you come from ECW, that's often where you just have to be in the berries. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. The Dudley boys didn't get buried. Uh listen, there are very few far in between. That commit. Yeah, he didn't get buried. He buried himself, actually.

SPEAKER_04: 13:18

He didn't get buried, but he definitely didn't get booked. He he got booked, but then he buried himself from the from the wellness policy.

SPEAKER_05: 13:30

I feel as if and even I don't even think it's the wellness policy thing. Like he he could have got booked, but anytime he would get booked and bumped. That's what would always be.

SPEAKER_04: 13:46

But the one what I'm talking about is whenever he had both belts, the ECW and the heavyweight title, the WD title, he was booked until he had that situation. And then he stayed in the bump situation forever after that. He never got another title for another one with a title.

SPEAKER_05: 14:02

No.

SPEAKER_04: 14:02

Because they said, yo, you you still smoking weed? All right, I bet.

SPEAKER_05: 14:06

Um but uh but yeah, we are we're absolutely burying, we're burying him. Uh and then uh as far as the bump goes, personally, I'm bumping Samoa Joe and I'm booking Abyss. But financially, I knew it. I fucking knew it. But if but if if I'm trying to make money in my company, what would be most logical would be to book Samoa Joe and we bump Abyss. And why do we book Samoa Joe? Because there is great story to be had with Samoa Joe.

SPEAKER_04: 15:00

You don't think there's a great story with Abyss?

SPEAKER_05: 15:04

There the story that Abyss tells is for a very niche crowd. The sicklos, if we may. Not at all. Not not not not remotely close. Now, when it comes to uh Abyss, if you were to throw him in an ACW spot, you're gonna see him dealing with John Moxley and all them and losing. Because ultimately they're not bumping him. I'm sorry, they're not booking him, they're bumping him down. Okay. All right. That's that's just the it's just what it is.

SPEAKER_04: 16:11

Okay. Um all right, how about this?

SPEAKER_05: 16:15

But me personally though, I know for a fact, I feel like I if I was given the right stuff, I I can book a good monster to be believable and useful and not always have to be in fucking bobwire matches and plunder matches of sorts, you know. Not all monsters need to be in the deathmatch scene. Monsters can do some real things, monsters can wrestle too. Goddamn.

SPEAKER_04: 16:44

Okay, so now that's that one's kind of a given uh who you would book on that one too. The real question would be who are you burying in that one?

SPEAKER_05: 16:55

Um how about we do So are you at so so I'm guessing you're also on the bury uh rhino and I was definitely saying book Joe.

SPEAKER_04: 17:09

I I was I was going off the business side rather than I knew your personal answer was your booking abyss.

SPEAKER_05: 17:16

Gotcha.

SPEAKER_04: 17:17

Your personal answer, I knew that was that's why I'm not shaking your hand because technically my prediction was right, but not the way I thought he was gonna do it. Gotcha. Um, but yeah, I knew he was gonna book Abyss because what you guys don't understand is this man loved him some Abyss. He loved him some cane, they the same nigga, but like with different palette, you know?

SPEAKER_07: 17:44

Correct.

SPEAKER_04: 17:44

One does Deathmatch, one does uh Story. Um and it's funny how they both work in the same company, technically. So let's go ahead and do Gold Dust. We're also going to do Smoking Mirrors, Cody and American Dream Dusty Rose. Which one of the roads would you book? Fuck her.

SPEAKER_05: 18:18

I am booking gold dust, I am bumping dusty, and I am burying uh Cody Rhodes.

SPEAKER_04: 18:26

That's crazy! Okay, you gotta explain this one up.

SPEAKER_05: 18:32

It's all about the gimmick.

SPEAKER_04: 18:34

Okay.

SPEAKER_05: 18:36

I prefer the gold dust gimmick. Anytime gold dust was serious gold dust, and and I use that term lightly, but like like you could take early gold dust, and you can take when he came back to WWE Gold Dust after he's you know gotten himself right and everything. Hell, you can take that particular gold dust when he was going heel. Okay. And he was putting on some of his best matches as Gold Dust. All right, like Gold Dust deserved to be pushed, especially early Gold Dust. Right before he became the artist formerly known, Gold Dust should have been pushed to the moon. Intercontinental champion Gold Dust should have been a world heavyweight champion Gold Dust at some point. They just did not allow him to be great because at that time, that main event scene was completely cluttered, and there was way too many people at the top.

SPEAKER_04: 19:47

They didn't want no zesty people in there.

SPEAKER_05: 19:49

And I don't even say it was that. It was more so definitely that.

SPEAKER_04: 19:52

They didn't mention the fact that he was very well there.

SPEAKER_05: 19:55

I mean, yeah, so like they he took his gimmick, he was too good at his gimmick, and people were upset about it. Yeah. Sure. But with the way that what with how he was being received overall and the way that his popularity was kind of thing, I would almost compare it to uh how I was talking about with Mello, you know, kind of situation. Yep. Uh Golddust and Mellow were one are kind of that Gold Dust and Mellow are in the same position where it's like they could be up there. But the people who are up there, their names are so big, comparably speaking. Like going if I was to go it on how uh you know talking about the popularity like from like GM mode, right? Everybody is that was in that main event scene are like 87 and higher. Okay. To my ranking, by the way. Yeah, they're like they're they're their overall ranking, okay? Their overall popularity ranking. Actually, I would actually push to say, especially for Goldust back then, everybody who was in that upper echelon fighting in that title picture, they were like a overall ranking 90 and higher on the popularity scale, okay? 90 and higher. Gold dust was a solid 85. No, 85. Because he was in games, man. Sure, he was in games, but I'm talking about like star power power, okay? Like, sure, his overall competitive level could have been an 89, but I'm talking about the popularity level. That's different. You could have a high overall, but your popularity would be garbage type situation. And so, cause because those are two different things that you can scale on. You those are two different things you scale on whenever you're playing universe mode. Because uh to go into it, like in the universe game, right? In the current one, Melo, he is when you first hire him, his uh his overall value is very, very low. So like you could pick him up for like 150 or like 150,000, right? Kind of thing for the year. But if you and his but his overall, his like his overall popularity level is like in the low 60s, sometimes I think like the 50s type thing, right? But if you do and you make him go through season mode and you push him to the fucking top and you make his popularity go go real high, his overall does not change, but his popularity level goes up high, which then makes him more expensive to keep on your roster on the back end later on, type situation. Y'all see what I'm talking about, right? And so with Gold Dust, though his overall may have been like a uh 89 at that time, his popularity compared to everyone else, he's like an 85 in popularity. There is such a drastic difference between an 85 and a 90 in popularity that no matter how good Gold Dust was at that time, he wasn't touching a Undertaker, Stone Cold, Rock, Triple H, DX, Kane. He wasn't touching those guys. You could put him in the same match with them, but you know who's eating the pen kind of thing. And that's bringing it back because we talked about Mello prior. That's where Mello is right now. He is an 85, but honestly, I would dare to say the people, the people who are in this top echelon, they're like 95s and higher in popularity. Mello has no chance of looking like he belongs up there. Okay. You could put him in a match with Cody Rose, but like you never know.

SPEAKER_04: 23:56

You never know. But what I do know is that taking that gold situation, we are now going to do a category that is the gold selection. Gold dust. Wait, hold on. Wait, you didn't, you don't don't. Don't try and skip out and I get what you go say. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Um, I'm booking, I'm booking uh Smoke and Mirrors fucking Cody. That I like that fucking gimmick. I like that one.

SPEAKER_05: 24:25

Don't get me wrong. I like it, but I feel the other two are just better.

SPEAKER_04: 24:32

They are. My thing is, like, he basically was the equivalent of Miz back in that time. You know what I'm saying? And they pushed him to the moon. That was in an era where it was fitting. But yes, I mean, Goldust, I can I can never see Gold Dust with the heavyweight title, unfortunately. Crazy. I couldn't, I just it maybe because of WWE and how they made him look. But like him holding it when he had uh uh uh Terry Ronald's as a manager, yeah. Okay. Like she would hold the gold, and he, you know, because like obviously the belt is gold, so he would never wear it around his waist. He could probably be like, yo, um, he can make something out of it, like the gold doesn't touch me, the valet touches it, she holds it for me. It's my Oscar. It's like something like that, right? Like doing something like that, but him like never wearing the belt, because to me, him wearing it around his waist would just look goofy.

SPEAKER_05: 25:27

I don't think it would look goofy.

SPEAKER_04: 25:29

Oh no.

SPEAKER_05: 25:30

Like, unless you're just feeling that the winged eagle just doesn't look right on him. Is that what you're trying to? Is that what you feel? Uh not around his waist, no.

SPEAKER_04: 25:42

Like if it was maybe if he was holding it like, you know, like how homeboy was holding Goldie, like Tommaso Ciampo was holding Goldie, maybe.

SPEAKER_05: 25:53

I think he would have been I I he would have been fine with the belt. And I think he would have, because I I feel especially like now when you talk about specifically when he was running around with with uh with Terry Runnels, like even more so do I think it would have worked. Oh, that's what it would have looked. It's like because like there was because there's gold dust when it was with Terry Runnels, and then there was like when he dropped Terry Runnels and like had the No no no that that's the artist formerly known as. But he there was he had a small time, I think, before he was form he became the formerly known as, when he that was when he had the more bigger, gaudy uh coats on. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Kind of thing. But this was also during a time where it was like, because I was watching a video not too long ago about Gold Dust, and it was like there was a point where he was really hot, but he was being restrained on purpose.

SPEAKER_04: 26:51

Was it the Rowdy Roddy Piper shit situation?

SPEAKER_05: 26:54

No, because that was when he first came. So when he first so when he first came and whatnot, you know, he had his little stunt with Undertaker and then Mankind, he had his thing with Roddy Piper and he had the belt for a bit and stuff like that. He went into he, you know, he that was he did his stuff with uh um uh goddamn Razor Ramon and everything. But I would say like this that was like within like his first two years of being there, he was really hot and he was really good. And then um I'm I can't I'm trying to exactly pinpoint because like when the add to era took off in like the in uh in uh 97 and 98, I'm pretty sure it was like that 98 and 99 time was when he was doing the artist formerly known as Gold Dust. It was attitude era, but like but it's like it was also during that time, like because like so like when he dropped the belt and when we were like going like the attitude era like truly just started, he was still Gold Dust, but he was Gold Dust getting his original identity taken away from him because during that particular time was when they were all like, all right, you gotta slow down on the the the the uh the sexual stuff, the sexuality stuff kind of thing. And so because of that, Goldust had to figure out, well, damn, that was the thing that was getting me super over. What am I going to do? Because, you know, the LGBT community at that time were not happy with what he was doing. They were raising sand and and caught and causing a ruckus. And so because they were causing such a ruckus, uh, Vince McMahon was all like, Gold Dust, you can't do any of that no more. And so he just kind of sort of was just fucking there. And he was, and when he was, and at that particular moment was when he was like at that teetering point where he could have been continually hot and really dope. And so instead, he when they robbed him of his identity, he just became that artist formerly known.

SPEAKER_04: 29:03

So, and I I don't want to say that this is the reason why, but it kind of sounds like the representation is what fucked his gimmick up.

SPEAKER_05: 29:13

Honestly. Because that was the thing that was getting him over. And then they were all like, hey, uh, they don't like that, so you gotta stop doing it. And so it was all like, well, damn. That's kind of sort of how I built, you know, this thing. And so now I have it's like, it's like being told to do something that you need to do for your job, and then all of a sudden it's like, hey, you know that thing that I taught you to do and and made you learn how to do it? Yeah, you can't do that shit no more. So learn how to do your job another way. And now he's just like you mean work in general?

SPEAKER_04: 29:52

Because like work does that a lot. You know what I'm saying? Shit changes, and you'd be like, You did something one week and now the next week is over. Yes.

SPEAKER_05: 29:58

Oh no, that's the thing. And you know what? Happens is the fact that then new people or the people who are at top they stay up top because they don't have to make that change, or new people come in and they just learn how to do it as it is and they pass you. And now they get the title. And you get buried. Damn, nigga.

SPEAKER_04: 30:20

So again, smoke and mirrors I would book. I'm bumping uh gold dust, and unfortunately, I have to bury Dusty.

SPEAKER_05: 30:30

The American Dream?

SPEAKER_04: 30:32

Yeah, cuz it's like hard times, Daddy. Yeah, cuz it's like how you said with Sting. Somebody gotta eat the pen. And unfortunately. Hell yeah. He put his son over, technically. Like, dad, I'm not with those hard times, dad. We actually had a silver spoon in our mouths and type shit. Um, but the next one is continuing the gold standard. I want you to notice how I did that. Continuing the gold standard of having gold dust. Sheldon Benjamin gold standard. And then we also have the million-dollar man, Ted DBase. All of them are gold motherfuckers.

SPEAKER_05: 31:17

So Shelton Benjamin, specifically the gold standard, and then you said Ted DBase. And then who was the other one? Gold Dust. And Gold Dust. Book Bump Barry for them?

SPEAKER_04: 31:33

Yep.

SPEAKER_05: 31:40

Goldust. Ted Ebiassi. Ted Ebiassi. All right, so I'm so so I'm pushing. Um I'm pretty certain I think I'm going to book uh I'm booking Ted D. Beyase. Okay. I'm booking Teddy Beyase. Uh I am bumping gold dust, and we're gonna bury Sheldon.

SPEAKER_04: 32:27

That was quick. But surprising to see that you're gonna book Teddy Biassi, so I love Ted Y Teddy Beyase over Goda.

SPEAKER_05: 32:37

Because comparably speaking, Ted DiBiassi's a better champion, in my eyes.

SPEAKER_00: 32:45

Okay.

SPEAKER_05: 32:46

I think he his optics of being a champion is so much better. As a matter of fact, anytime I can have Ted DiBiassi in a wrestling game, I book him to high heaven, bro.

SPEAKER_04: 32:57

You know what's interesting you say that because apparently a lot of fans are tired of the I'm rich gimmick. While you were like, yeah, but we like Teddy Teddy Biassi's one.

SPEAKER_05: 33:09

You know why people are tired of the I'm Rich gimmick? Is because no one can do it better. Like, who's doing an I'm Rich gimmick right now?

SPEAKER_04: 33:18

Well, remember the Vini Vici, whatever was coming in, he had the I'm Rich gimmick, and then he got pinned that one night and he was gone.

SPEAKER_05: 33:25

Because it was garbage.

SPEAKER_04: 33:27

And you had uh Alberto Del Rio, and then you also had now Alberto Del Rio, he was fine.

SPEAKER_05: 33:36

He became a champion.

SPEAKER_04: 33:37

Yeah, he did, he did.

SPEAKER_05: 33:38

So there was nothing wrong with him.

SPEAKER_04: 33:40

What I'm saying is fans apparently have made the claims.

SPEAKER_05: 33:42

And at that point, to also to not not I mean to cut you off, but like uh Alberto Del Rio also at the end of the day screwed himself. True. He he he woman beater, fucking I would I would just say he he he is kidnapping and domestic violence is not a good thing. That's what it was. That's that's that's the things, those were the things. We're not those were the things I'm not trying to hush it, but not trying to make it as harsh for a view for a certain viewing audience, but but like but like so like yeah, so yeah, he screwed himself on that, but and this is coming from an Alberta. I was a big Alberta Dutrio fan.

SPEAKER_04: 34:25

Man, that man talked about the story of you trying to go get that scarf, but like but yeah, no, continue with what you were saying on that. So apparently fans are saying it's it's a played out gimmick that has been used for for I don't want to say generations because generations make us feel like we're old as shit. But you know, you had Teddy Villassi, you had Alberto de Rio, you had uh Fiji, you had, you know, just there's multiple people who come in with the I'm rich, you guys are poor, this, this, and that, and whatever. So fans are saying, yeah, that used to be fun back in the 90s and maybe early 2000s, but we kind of want more characters with more story. And here's the thing.

SPEAKER_05: 35:07

That's that's the problem in itself. And it's like, so looking at the million dollar man, he had story, he had a lot of story. All up until he's his eventual retirement, the million-dollar man had a very specific story. He was rich and he used his money to get what he wanted, but there came a point where his money could no longer buy him what he wanted, type situation. And they played that story out, and then it came to the point where no matter how much money he had, he realized he ended up finding out that he can't just treat people any old kind of way, because that's when Virgil came through and and ended up beating his ass. Now, granted, that didn't amount to shit for Virgil in the long run, because we just became a jobber after that.

SPEAKER_04: 35:57

But like an NWO member.

SPEAKER_05: 36:01

The one who takes the pin. But like, he uh but like there was a story with that. Alberto Del Rio, he had a story with his bit, and he felt that it was his destiny to become the champion, and all those things happened, and there was a nice, lovely story told with that, with him coming out to the ring and a nice Rolls Royce all the time. If there was these those two people in particular, they were rich, but they did not make that their well, I would say Million Dollar Man a little bit, but like they did not allow that to be their full identity to the point where that's the only thing you could see about them. You know what I'm saying? Granted, being rich was the million dollar man's full identity. However, there were storylines and stories that happened throughout, and for all intents and purposes, I think he was the best rich wrestler to do it because he actually used his riches, he'd be all like, all right, fine. Like right now, if I was to book somebody to be the next million dollar man or or this, stand the other, or anything like that, number one, I would make sure he's a good wrestler, okay? So that when he's actually in the ring, you know, he can do the things.

SPEAKER_04: 37:23

I do enjoy the million dollar dream. That is a really good signature, especially if you're putting somebody to sleep.

SPEAKER_05: 37:28

But it's like the bits that I would do is like, number one, you it making his making money his identity, sure, but it's like how you do it. How is how are you gonna tell the story of why him having all this money gives me a chance to do it? Why should we care kind of thing, right? Like, I would start him out like one of those situations where it's like he's supposed to be this rich person. Yeah, and it's like, you know, he makes think about how they do with MVP, right? You know, his whole deal, you know, he came out, he had the nice chain, everything, and he was talking about how, you know, I was the you know, the most expensive uh draft pick or draft pick, da da da. Like, I would go about that bit kind of thing, right? I would have like if he lost the match or whatnot, you know, like somewhere down the line in this feud that he's doing, you know, pull like an APA situation where he paid somebody to come and go beat this other guy up. And then after that happens, you see him in the background, like, ha ha ha. Money always wins type situation or whatever, right? Like, you make it loosely about it. But like with VG. I don't think it's fair to make him to to to to lump him in with the whole money because he he was barely there. Yeah, like what one match?

SPEAKER_04: 38:46

I'm gonna I'm just saying. I'm just saying that this is what the people are saying. They're saying that the money gimmick, the money wrestler gimmick is played out. You also had Ted DiBiassi Jr., who that shit didn't get over. Priceless! Oh yeah, I'm priceless.

SPEAKER_02: 39:02

Yeah, no, it didn't.

SPEAKER_05: 39:03

Yeah, but it's because he was not as good as his dad. Well, there is that piece. That's that's probably the that's the main reason why it didn't work for him. He was a legacy. Literally. Damn. And that it's hard to live up to the person who did it the best. That's why usually when that happens and you're coming from a lineage, you're you're either being the carbon copy of that person or you need to do your own thing. And we don't see Randy Orton walk around with no cowboy hats, do we? No. I mean, sure, Cody Rhodes, he's the American nightmare, but you don't see him rocking polka dots and shit. He's actually never done that. No. Thank God. Yeah. I don't, I don't, I hope he doesn't. But like, you know, like you look at uh but because then on the flip side, you look at Natalia Nightheart, and it's like she's only gotten so far as being the pink and black such and such. Now when we talk about Natty, the low-key legend, yes. What about her? Yeah, so so you see that difference between the low-key legend and Natty Nightheart here, right? Yeah, where you know, she she she did flourish a little bit, you know, doing the Bret Hart stuff, and like how her dad was, but then it paused. Now, granted, I'll also say, respectfully, I think she is a much better talent than what her father was. And so my natty? Yes. Better than Jim? I think I think she is I think she outshines him.

SPEAKER_04: 40:49

I'm not gonna lie, he was just the beard and the laugh. I mean the goatee, excuse me, not beard, goatee.

SPEAKER_05: 40:55

But like, I think Natty Natty took what he did and elevated it. And but it's like on the flip side of something like that, when you look at Dwayne Johnson and his and his daughter, you see where I'm getting at with that, right?

SPEAKER_04: 41:15

God, Dwayne, she's not I don't it is what it is.

SPEAKER_05: 41:20

But like, going back to the original bit though, people are over the money, the money uh gimmick because nobody knows how to do it properly.

SPEAKER_04: 41:32

I thought also feel like they're not gonna pull the trigger on certain things that Teddy Vyase used to do. Like, remember the basketball thing? Like, yo, if you could dribble this ball this many times, you'll get$100. Boom, boom, boom, kick the ball. Like, no, like people probably on social media would be like, yo, what without without context? Without context. You know what I'm saying? And I feel like, just like you said before, they play it safe too much.

SPEAKER_05: 41:54

I agree. But even but even with that particular bit, like even having the money gimmick, I don't think is the problem. It's just the way that whoever is doing the the person who is given the money gimmick, they don't know how to carry it. Okay, you can't just give anybody any old gimmick. Yeah, you can't.

SPEAKER_04: 42:17

Like so, to put my stance on that, yes, I would agree. Mainly because out of I am a Ted DiBiase fan, but because of the years of us utilizing Ted DiBiase and our well, in your promotion and the stories that you have driven, just like you said before, you you know how to book a Ted DiBiase. It's kind of not hard to book a Ted DiBiase. He's he's a villain, but he's a conniving and smart villain, and he's utilizing money. He is the equivalent of if you don't if you don't look at MJF as a Jersey boy, he could be that. He could. He's done it in some situations. MJF is probably MJF could be like the closest thing to a Teddy Vyase.

SPEAKER_05: 43:08

Yeah, he really could be. And it's like, and he and talking about like, you know, getting the whole like I'm rich gimmick type situation, like he'd be the perfect example of something like that. Hell, you actually see him kind of pull the stunt a little bit. Like, you saw him, what, he went to Gates of Agony and uh in them, and he was all like, hey, listen, uh, I know I don't like you and you don't like me, however, I got some lucrative business that I think I can interest you that we are in in uh in handling a situation that you and I uh are that that'll put you and I on the same sides of the coin type situation. And you could literally take that if you was inserting the money thing, it's like, hey, listen, like I know you don't like me, but I got some pretty heavy pockets that would uh that might be able to sway you to help me out with a situation that has also been a problem of yours. And this was when they decide to uh you know attempt to or threaten to set uh uh the Briscoe on fire. Oh, yeah, that part. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But it's like for all his purposes, in that particular sense, MJF went to an old enemy of his, paid him off to help him get his lick back indirectly to try and con himself into a title shot, which is the exact same type of thing that uh D.B. Aussie would do. Hell, Teddy.

SPEAKER_04: 44:41

Maybe not set a motherfucker on fire, but yeah.

SPEAKER_05: 44:44

Ted DBAusse paid Andre the Giant to win the heavyweight title to give it to him.

SPEAKER_04: 44:52

Yes. Like make it make sense.

SPEAKER_05: 44:58

I mean, I make that maybe say make it make sense, but like And it's funny because we're talking about these, you know, this particular kind of gimmick, and like there's the people that you said, freaking, so we're just not gonna talk about when our um our uh what was that cowboy's name?

SPEAKER_04: 45:12

Goddamn uh you talking about uh uh uh uh in NXT when he got the million dollars. Oh shit, I forgot. I ain't I ain't gonna say I forgot it nigga. I'm not gonna say I forgot that nigga, but like Travis. Um was it Travis something? Whatever happened to him in WWE contract expired, never gonna be like he he didn't do anything wrong, like I don't think in the comments. Please let us know what happened to Trevor. It was Trevor, I think, right?

SPEAKER_03: 45:47

Trevor, yeah, it was Trevor. Yeah, it was Trevor. Yeah, I said Travis, Trevor. Um yeah, I know, but like yeah, it's and I think he was he did just fine.

SPEAKER_05: 45:58

The only thing was he also went bankrupt. The Bucks tried to do it too. Now the Bucks is a different thing. I know, I'm I was just shooting shit. Now now you now that you said that though, is that why people are saying they're tired of like the original? No, no, no.

SPEAKER_04: 46:18

With the Bucs is the EVP shit. It's the it's the the authority all over again. It's literally that. Like, oh yeah, uh, we could just not book you, you fucker. We don't like you at all, you know, whatever. And we're booking us in the tag team division to win the tag titles because we're the Bucks. So um, but to give my uh input, yes, I would probably book DVASI, and I have to thank Swag for that because while I love DVASI, the true nature of what D Vyassie has done that I've seen is through Swag's promotion uh that he made years ago, which Volt Tackle uh Volt Tackle Championship Wrestling.

SPEAKER_01: 47:00

VTCW.

SPEAKER_04: 47:00

Yeah, and some of the things that um DBY has done has led me to be also associated with other characters that were created, like Vega, which we would have to change his name at some point. But either way, uh it's just interesting stuff like that. Uh there are a lot of things that that Ted DiBiasy and that promotion has done. That's like well that's wild.

SPEAKER_05: 47:24

And uh What he's referring in the wrestling game, I had Ted DB, because at the time when this was going on, uh JBL was also still wrestling. And so I made Ted DiBiassi and JBL in the wrestling game be a tag team. And they were just called Money Incorporated, which was the original name, yeah. And so Money Incorporated, they were pretty much they were like powerhouse rich guys that did whatever they wanted and got away with whatever they needed to. They would literally they would literally pay other people to fight matches for them. They actually hired a hitman, funny enough, from Mexico to take out certain characters and all this other stuff. Like they they were the most dastardly heels that would, you know, the dastardly heels with money that went to a certain point, but they never kept the big one type situation.

SPEAKER_04: 48:22

It was interestingly enough because this hitman ended up actually becoming a wrestler. He wasn't originally a wrestler, he was a hitman who then later became a wrestler. Interesting. Story, people, story, all right.

SPEAKER_05: 48:36

So the story will get anybody over. That's just that's just what it is. And wrestling has seemed to forgotten.

SPEAKER_04: 48:44

But uh to answer again, DB Aussie. I'm going with because I said gold. Um gold doesn't and Sheldon Benjamin, yeah. Uh there's there's no need to answer with Sean Benjamin. That gold standard shit was stupid to me.

SPEAKER_05: 49:01

So you're you're you're pretty much going with what I said.

SPEAKER_04: 49:05

Yeah, gotcha. Got it, got it. That one I made on the fly, by the way. I made that one on the fly.

SPEAKER_05: 49:10

Oh, okay.

SPEAKER_04: 49:11

Um, because I was like, oh, we got gold, like a couple of gold people in here. All right, so uh let's talk about workhorse edition. Shawn Michaels, Seth Rollins, and Johnny Gargano. Who are we book, bumping, and burying?

SPEAKER_05: 49:26

I'm gonna bury Seth Rollins. I am going to uh Yeah, I'm bumping Gargano and uh I'm just gonna go ahead and continue to push.

SPEAKER_04: 49:37

Why are you continuing to book Sean?

SPEAKER_05: 49:39

Like, you can't book Gargano because Gargano is not better than Shawn Michaels.

SPEAKER_04: 49:48

But Gargano, okay, so you're not gonna take the same logic that you just did with AJ Styles and Sting and say, oh, Sean can take the pen because he's older. And then make Gargano the next Shawn Michaels. You can't you can't do that.

SPEAKER_05: 50:01

That's the problem. There's no such thing as the next Shawn Michaels, bro.

SPEAKER_04: 50:06

I don't know, man, because Dolph Ziggler was pulling that off pretty damn good.

SPEAKER_05: 50:12

Bro, even I have to take the rose color glasses off on that one, okay? I love Dolph Ziggler to the moon and back, alright? And like I will agree that there were great aspects of Dolph Ziggler that would like put him in the wrongs for being like a tr a a real next Shawn Michaels. And if you were putting him in this particular spot, then yes, I probably I would easily put Shawn Michaels. I would I would I would let me put it this way in comparison, I would I would definitely book Dolph Ziegler over Gargano in that Shawn Michaels position. Gargano's great, but Shawn Michaels is Shawn Michaels. Damn. Okay. Um I would say reverse. And even then, I would say, you know, going off with how you were talking about with Let's Sting, because yes, Sting was Sting never had a not peak situation. But going off when Shawn Michaels was peak, which was right before Undertaker retired him, type thing, because we just we just shouldn't we have to ignore that that non-canon Undertaker came versus DX match. Like that Oh, okay.

SPEAKER_04: 51:35

I thought you were saying you was about to abolish the 90s Shawn Michaels.

SPEAKER_05: 51:38

No, no, no, no, no, no. But I'm saying, like, if you took the Shawn Michaels that Undertaker faced at on his retirement, yeah, and I'm looking at that versus Gargano, I'm still booking Sean.

SPEAKER_04: 51:51

First off, first off, we're we're treating we're treating the DX versus the Brothers of Destruction match as a uh multiverse situation because Sean didn't have no damn hair, and neither did Hunter.

SPEAKER_05: 52:06

So that match was a non-canon event. That was that whole pic from That was a Tony Khan match. A Tony Khan.

SPEAKER_04: 52:13

Motherfucker said, yo, I'm gonna put toys together, and them motherfuckers is gonna wrestle. But these toys kind of broken down. So the fuck what? I want to see it again.

SPEAKER_05: 52:23

Nah, nah, that was that was just a not that was a non-canon match. That was a uh lights out match. That was a different universe movie uh situation where uh like that sure it happened in a different universe, but to the regular canon, like this this is Shawn Michaels was retired by Undertaker and he hasn't been in the ring since. That's that's just where it is. That's just what it is.

SPEAKER_04: 52:51

People are actually hoping that with Sean's recent knee surgeries, he might give it another go coming up main hill. I would hope not. We all hope not. He even said to himself he's not doing it, but he's too he's too busy um working with his ladies in NXT.

SPEAKER_03: 53:09

Which is a great place to be.

SPEAKER_04: 53:10

Apparently, and you know, you here's a thing that you also can say with Shawn Michaels. Uh, my man is a brother at the end of the day, because it is black NXT all day over there. But he he is he is pushing our people of color. And and and and I think that was he, well, that's that's two photos. I remember it was the photo of Brad Hart with a bunch of black ladies, black women. Well, you know, he's married to a black woman. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. He he he he down with the swirl. And um and uh Shawn Michaels, I think he just like him thick.

SPEAKER_05: 53:48

You would think that with uh the way that NXT looks.

SPEAKER_04: 53:51

Oh, hell yeah. That that signings of Lions was was a perfect example. Got it. Perfect example. And then Parker, too? Another example.

SPEAKER_05: 54:03

Is Nikita I think Nikita is on FLG. No, not FLG. Um, what's that other promo? That's their uh little undercard fucking Oh, um you talking about NXT?

SPEAKER_04: 54:15

No. Oh, oh, oh, um Evolve. There you go. I think Nikita Lanyon is just like she might be she she she might be because she does need to.

SPEAKER_05: 54:23

I have not watched Evolve in a while, but the last the last times I was watching it, which not I I can't even I'm I guess I'm a pretty bad judge on that because I haven't really watched Evolve in probably like the last like three months. But she was there. Like the last Did you watch Evolved? I'm sorry. I do I watched Evolved up until when they like first gave out the the Evolved champions, the meet the females and the women's. Yeah and during that time Nikita Lyons was there. So when so ever so whenever the champion was first crowned, I know Nikita Lyons was still messing around and Evolve.

SPEAKER_04: 54:59

There's just so much goddamn wrestling, y'all. Y'all just don't realize, man. Like me, it's funny how me and Swag, like, we are here, but we're not here. Because like I watched Lucha and did all these things, and also watch MLW every once in a while, and you'll watch your areas of wrestling, and it will kind of be like, hey, yo, this happened. Did you know that? Oh, what? Nah, cool. You know what I'm saying? So I just find it interesting that we do like similar things in wrestling, but we sometimes don't watch the same things in wrestling.

SPEAKER_05: 55:31

Kind of. Now, I will say, I think comparatively speaking, I'm pretty certain I probably watch more wrestling than you. You do, you do currently, yes. Back in the day, I probably wouldn't say this. The problem is though, I feel that like it's like though I watch more wrestling, the wrestling that I watch more of is the same wrestling that you are, and then there's still like a small dark void of wrestling that nobody's touching. New Japan.

SPEAKER_04: 55:59

Which I did, I did, I did watch the G1. I did what once they told me about the G1 and what how that was when uh uh uh uh um Takesha won, I watched it because I need to see how he was over there, and this is why I said in the last episode, but you need to stay in New Japan because you could be a fucking star that they need over there.

SPEAKER_05: 56:17

But let's but as he said, he watched it after it happened.

SPEAKER_04: 56:21

Because here's the thing, too, okay? New Japan. That one hung over there? That one, yes. Um New Japan. Oh, you got it? Is it hot? It's still a little warm, yeah. Okay. Uh my wife made us tea. Um thank you. So taking a sip. Um so when it comes to help.

SPEAKER_05: 56:43

Huh? That's oh yeah, I see where that's gonna help.

SPEAKER_04: 56:45

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. No, we were just talking about in the pot how you made us the tea. So it's delicious. Um, I like mine with honey though. So uh when it comes to New Japan, it would have been good. Would you want some honey?

SPEAKER_05: 57:01

Yeah, I'll have some.

SPEAKER_04: 57:02

Well, well, I can wait on it. My lady. We need honey, please. Um, but yes, with New Japan, it's kind of difficult to keep up with it, too, because you know, when to watch it live, you have to be up at a specific time of night. Yeah, that's right. So I have to watch it the next day or something like that. I just haven't been watching it as of recently because I just don't know what to do or what to watch when it comes to that. So, yes, I had to watch it the next day mainly because I haven't been keeping up with it like that. So, um When is the next New Japan situation supposed to be happening? Pay-per-view-wise, they do have one coming up quite soon. Um, I can't remember, it's not Dominion, I believe. I'll have to get back to you on that.

SPEAKER_05: 57:53

I uh I I am um especially with how dry wrestling has been. I want to, I think I'm going to like double down and like do a hard watching of New Japan like moving forward.

SPEAKER_04: 58:09

I wanna I I wanna finally make a day of the week where we get together and I show you Lucha, or we can make New Japan a thing.

SPEAKER_05: 58:17

Either one works, but I mean I we I'm fine with us doing the thing for watching uh uh Lucha Underground, uh where we like make time to like just sit down and like watch a couple of episodes and review it type thing. No, I'm fine with that piece, but like I do think I am going to attempt to like watch New Japan moving forward. I'm going to try and pay more attention to New Japan only because of the fact that like I've never really watched New Japan ever. So it's like, you know, I I because so because I've never really watched, I don't know much about it, but I also know that it is a brand of wrestling that people do really like, usually, and I know they do things different than what we do over here.

SPEAKER_04: 59:07

Are you also gonna attempt Noah as well, or are you just gonna do New Japan? Um because wrestling Noah is basically where New Japan is WWE, Noah is AEW. If that's the case, then yes. Okay. Okay. I mean, and and don't change the whole time. I'm telling you, I'm telling you that honey, that honey made a difference.

SPEAKER_05: 59:29

Like it tasted okay. It still tasted good before. I really like the flavor, but then when you make the honey that makes it sweeter, that's plus this all goes goes towards making the throat feel better.

SPEAKER_04: 59:39

Nah, we good. You said pull the orange out. Nah, we're good. Pull it out. Yeah.

SPEAKER_05: 59:43

Because it has the the whole, it's the whole orange, so it has the pivot and everything in it, so it's gonna make it a little more bitter the longer you'll nah.

SPEAKER_04: 59:50

We good. We good, appreciate you. Um but uh yeah, no, we could if you want to do once a once a week, say. Uh how about Thursday? Because well, TNA goes on Thursday, right?

SPEAKER_05: 1:00:04

TN well, TNA come yeah, TNA does come on Thursdays. Are you watching TNA? I try to. Okay. Because TNA is also TNA and XT are one of the only things that are actually really been interesting about wrestling. There is wrestling every day of the week. Yes, there is. Absolutely. You have to, which is why some folk just pick and choose. There are like, funny enough, like when it comes to New Japan, which is part of the reason why I know I personally want to watch some New Japan, or at least really start looking at it, is the fact that like on a regular basis, there's not a lot of people talking podcast-wise talking about New Japan.

SPEAKER_04: 1:00:49

Like most big podcasts and niche, okay.

SPEAKER_05: 1:00:52

Like most big podcasts that I look at or I see, they're either they're talking either straight WWE, period, or they're talking about WWE and AEW. Okay. And even then, the ones that talk about WW and AEW, they oftentimes really don't touch NXT. They'll mention it if something cool happened on NXT, but they'll mention the one cool thing, but that's it.

SPEAKER_04: 1:01:17

And that's kind of weird too, because it's like the reason why I think everybody does that is because the big promotions are WWE and AEW. Everybody, everybody that's a wrestling fan is watching those products.

SPEAKER_05: 1:01:30

Exactly.

SPEAKER_04: 1:01:30

NXT is you had to be a diehard, or you have to be somewhat of a diehard to still be watching it. And when it comes to TNA, that is also the same thing as well as ROH. Um, which I don't think I could watch ROH now.

SPEAKER_05: 1:01:45

ROH is bad.

SPEAKER_04: 1:01:46

Yeah, like I saw Jay Lethal on Collision and I was like, oh, it's Jay!

SPEAKER_05: 1:01:50

Oh man and he eats the pen.

SPEAKER_04: 1:01:54

God damn it. Um yeah, it's rough out here in the show. I don't think I don't think you've seen House of Truth, Jay Lethal, have you? This is the best in the world. Bits and pieces. Okay. I've seen bits of God.

SPEAKER_05: 1:02:09

I've seen bits and pieces, but I I do very vividly remember the praise that Ring of Honor champion Jay Lethal was in God.

SPEAKER_04: 1:02:21

You had to be there, bro. You had to be there. Um, okay, so then how about we do this? Uh you name a day of the week that works. I'll make I'll make time and effort to do it. That way we can uh both try to consume it. Whether if we don't consume it together, but we we try to consume it in general and try to set some time where we can watch some uh some lucha. Because we I keep talking about every episode now. We're almost like what? We're 30 episodes, 30 plus episodes in, and we still haven't had the chance to do it. Plus, we still need to do GM shit. So we got a lot of things we gotta start doing.

SPEAKER_05: 1:02:57

So we got a timeline. We are magical. I like this mug.

SPEAKER_04: 1:03:03

Which the cool thing about what we could do with lucha is we can actually stream us watching that and we will not get uh kicked. That would be so if you want to, you we can do like a watch-along type situation. Yeah, no, we could do we'll do like an hour or something of GM mode and then top it off with some lucha. We'll put that together. Yeah, we'll put it together. There's all kinds of stuff in this dude. Yeah, man. She makes it toasty, bro. She makes it good. Um it pays to have a kitchen witch. Uh who knows her spices and herbs. We cut you can eat some pears in the bottom, too. We kind of figured that. Uh we eat pears and shit. Uh and uh this is why we call her spicy white. Uh because she she knows she she does a lot of things that um don't count her as that because she's using spices and herbs. Anyway, um next up, who do we got here? Let me spitball it real quick. Um let's go there. Let's go to the the knockouts real quick. Let's go to the knockouts. ODB. What was her name? Oh, Roxy. LeBeau? Yeah. Okay.

SPEAKER_05: 1:04:24

An awesome Kong. An awesome Kong. That's oh, that's really unfortunate. Because of that, I have to bury Roxy LeBeau, and I love her.

SPEAKER_04: 1:04:37

Woo! I broke him. I may have broke him. I may have broke him. Y'all because that was that was his girl, y'all. That was his girl.

SPEAKER_05: 1:04:44

Like. Awesome Kong is what you book everything around.

SPEAKER_04: 1:05:02

Yes. And so she is she she is the monster heel that Abyss could be.

SPEAKER_05: 1:05:10

She is, yeah, she is, she is the way that they booked Awesome Kong back then is the way I wish they could have booked Abyss. But instead, they booked him with his uh what was his what's the what was the name of those matches? The uh Monster Ball. Yeah, they they but they booked him using the Monsters Ball type matches, which once again, there is nothing wrong with your deathmatch style fightings with the thumbtacks, chairs, weapons. There is greatly a time and a place for it. But when you use it too much, when you overuse it, it loses its shock value. You know what I'm saying?

SPEAKER_04: 1:06:01

It loses its uh its its impact on I think I think the biggest thing for you is the selling part. I don't think it loses the impact of anything else.

SPEAKER_05: 1:06:11

I think it's the selling of what happens is so but see, but that's the pro that's the bit though. It it because it the it that lumps all together with okay, so it's like when it comes to a regular deathmat thing, right? When you watch a deathmatch, when you watch deathmatch wrestling, and correct me if I'm wrong, because I don't watch a lot of strictly deathmat wrestling, but usually every match involves weapons. Is that right? Okay, so in such a thing, I would only assume that the farther down the card, the more gruesome the match becomes.

SPEAKER_04: 1:06:58

Is that usually how they do it? And are you talking about most deathmatch promotions or just talking about the deathmat itself? Period. Deathmatch promotions, just just I'm just talking in general. I mean, it would make sense it would be more gruesome because it should be a hey, we're gonna do something so crazy that now people have to leave the arena thinking like, whoa, that was because like because once because like I don't watch, I don't strictly watch deathmatch wrestling.

SPEAKER_05: 1:07:26

So since I know that you do, if you're watching uh a seven-match card, okay, okay, okay, like you're watching a deathmatch wrestling pay-per-view, the way that they are this is this is literally me shooting at the hip in a suit because I have not watched. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_04: 1:07:46

Well, outside of one, but like uh I I I I I know where you're trying to get at. Let me just go ahead and answer your question for you. It's kind of weird because it really depends on the situation. Because like, while the card may have like a regular hardcore match of like tubes and stuff in it, sometimes the most gruesome match end up becoming the middle of the card. And everything else afterwards, it's just like, yeah, that was crazy, but like this was the match, right? And then sometimes, yes, they do have where the main event is the big gruesome match. But oftentimes, if you're if you're watching a tournament, which most deat matches or deathmatch promotions often do tournaments, the most gruesome match is normally the middle match. Because that is the match where in every deathmatch tournament, I'm gonna keep putting this out here right now. In every deathmatch tournament, a champion will go into the tournament and says, Hey, I'm defending my belt in every match in this tournament. I don't know why, but it is a tradition in deathmatch wrestling. I've seen it every time. And to me, it kind of is like, well, I know you're not gonna lose in these matches. So the only match I think you might lose is the last two. The first three, that's just for shits and giggles, right? So this is why I say the middle is normally where she gets crazy. Um, and then where at the end of the night, you either have that person who was defending their belt at that tournament, either they're walking out or walking out with the belt, or they're not. Nine times out of ten, they are walking out with the belt. And the last match is, hey, we do a couple of suplexes, we do it because they've already exerted all their energy. They're already bloody. They're not they're not pacing the match where it's like, hey, we come back next week. It's the first match, I got hit with a bunch of light tubes. I gotta come back out in the next 30 minutes and fight again. So you can't go really too crazy the whole time, and they normally leave the most gruesome shit in the middle of the end.

SPEAKER_05: 1:09:58

Okay. So if that's the way that it works, then because if that's the way that it works, they almost literally follow what would be the opposite. They literally they do the whole uh they do it inside out. Because usually your first match sets the tone, and then Well, yeah, they do do that.

SPEAKER_04: 1:10:26

I mean, everybody does a set the tone kind of thing, but but but it's one of those things.

SPEAKER_05: 1:10:30

But it's like uh like it's almost the way that most matched kind of like uh when you watch a pay-per-view, there's kind of like a there's a wave kind of thing. And depending on how long or short the pay-per-view is, there's usually one wave, which is uh it just goes up from the air. It's uh so it's like it's boom. So it's like you start off with a bang, you ride it for a bit, you bring them up here for a little while, ride it for a bit, and you end. Kind of thing. And that's usually the way that it kind of swings a bit. Now, sometimes if it's a shorter thing, then it's like, or at least there's like it'll start here, you bend down, and you finish here, type situation. It's because like, so it's like the stuff that's usually the stuff that's in the middle is like a so-so to just kind of maintain you till you get to that main event type situation.

SPEAKER_04: 1:11:37

But like with the way theirs is more so just gradually doing this. And depending on the situation, the peak could be here or it could be here.

SPEAKER_05: 1:11:46

But it's just like so in that particular case, Deathmatch Ransling actually just they really just don't care. They really just don't care about the way that that that that matches flow. Because the the situation that I'm getting at when it comes to matches when you have like all of these weapons and stuff like that, right? Is just the fact that when you do them often, when you do them back to back to your standard audience, no one after you get so much of it, either no one's going to care, or they want to see it done differently.

SPEAKER_04: 1:12:35

Or up the ante.

SPEAKER_05: 1:12:36

Or up the ante, which is the worser of the things. So for example, like with AEW right now, right? They are having deathmatch stipulations almost every other show. And so now, because you're getting that so much, because you're getting that constant, you know, stimulation of feeding, you know, we as wrestling fans, when you get when you just like hit us with it one time, we're like, oh man, that was great. And then we're gonna be feeding for it for whenever it might happen again. But usually you gotta make them wait for that. AEW or give us a reason. Or give us a reason. Both, honestly, is what's necessary. But instead of letting us wait for it, they're just throwing it at us. And throwing it at us, and throwing it at us, and it's constant, and and the more it happens, the more it's all like it becomes just another match. It becomes another match, and it becomes and it doesn't do anything for the story or for the people who are involved. Like to say when they had the pay-per-view, when AEW had the last pay-per-view and they had that big old thumbtacks and tables match, right? Just for them on the next night to have thumbtacks be brought into the ring again. Now, I will say they use the thumb tax a bit differently this particular time, kind of thing. But it was all like, we you you made us pay for thumbtax just to give it to us on regular TV. Well, now I don't want to pay for thumb tax anymore. So I should just get this on regular TV more often.

SPEAKER_04: 1:14:49

Okay, I see what you mean. Because definitely in the Attitude era, they never did shit like that. No. Like you may get a cage match, but like the cage match, it didn't always end clean. It always ended with some kind of shenanigans to make you fiend for the next situation.

SPEAKER_05: 1:15:03

It would be a cage match and like that cage match, what happens in that cage match is like it's like low-level shit. Yeah, almost like the go home. It's just like a it's just the it's just for just for the extra look. And what happens after that cage match, they're going to be in a more intense match afterwards. And then when they have that big blowout match and they beat the hell out of each other, weapons, da-da-da-da. You see them the next night, they got bruises all over them, they're limping, and all this other stuff, and you know, that they're just, you know, and then if they do have a match, they're bandaged up, they're selling their injuries from the night before, yeah-da-da-da. And they're selling that shit for at least two weeks, at least two weeks, type situation. As where in wrestling right now, what we're getting is they'll have this big plunder match where they thrash and beat the hell out of each other, and they come back the next night like that match didn't happen.

SPEAKER_04: 1:16:03

Yeah, like no bandages, no nothing, no selling.

SPEAKER_05: 1:16:04

And so it's all-it's a selling. Why are like at that point, it's like you that there was a there was a special tact on name to this match. Make it feel like it has the value. Like, don't, don't just do it and then just move on from it. Like, do it and then let it linger because that was a tables and tax match.

SPEAKER_04: 1:16:29

That was well, I mean, we did kind of linger for MJ's taking his step away. Yes, and that's how you should do it.

SPEAKER_05: 1:16:35

Yeah, but on the flip side, his opponent, who took most of the painting, by the way.

SPEAKER_04: 1:16:42

That's just Mark Briscoe.

SPEAKER_05: 1:16:44

Well, he out here looking like he didn't have like he wasn't even in the match. Like he wasn't even in the match.

SPEAKER_04: 1:16:50

He's a sicko. Whereas MJ, MJF, he's a he's a wrestler's wrestler. He understands those things. Because even with the dog collar match the next day, he he was showing it.

SPEAKER_05: 1:17:04

I don't know, fam. I just feel like I it's almost like for me, and I don't want to say that deathmatch wrestling is doing it, but I feel like hardcore matches, weapons matches, we'll leave it at that. I feel that matches that involve weapons are are being devalued out here in these streets. A match with weapons used to be used to mean terror and excitement, and now someone's like, oh, it's a weapon smash? Oh, whatever. Who cares? Whatever. Oh, they're gonna hit each other a couple times for. Alright, cool. Wake me up when they like set the table on fire or something. All right.

SPEAKER_04: 1:17:50

Yeah, wake me up for the finish, basically. Let me see how that finish goes.

SPEAKER_05: 1:17:54

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Wake me up when uh like someone like pulls out a gun or something like that. Like, you know.

SPEAKER_04: 1:18:02

A gun is crazy. You know, you might definitely like Jim Cornett's fucking podcast there. You might want to start watching that shit. I do. Oh, you do? Okay. Oh, yeah, yeah. So that's why you and the story get along.

SPEAKER_05: 1:18:14

I don't I don't watch a whole I don't watch them all the time. But the problem is you said that Jim Cornett might be rough around the edges, but he's not wrong.

SPEAKER_04: 1:18:26

He's not.

SPEAKER_05: 1:18:27

There is there are very few times, the only times I would I I normally highly disagree with him is some of his feels about women's wrestling. I don't think I feel as if that because I know he usually doesn't, but I know I think women's wrestling does have a place in the main event. Where I know usually he kind of feels as if like, you know, what that that's not how that should work, kind of thing. I mean, there are certain aspects of why he says women's wrestling shouldn't be in the main event that I can get and understand, but at the same time, you know, there is if you're entertaining and you're sports entertaining everybody and you're getting the loudest pop, then that's why you should be in the main event. Your agenda don't gotta have anything to do with it, but it's like if peep if you are putting asses in seats. Exactly. If you are, if that's what you are doing, and just so happenly you you are you you are uh female identifying and you and you're you know doing all those things, then yes, that then give them the main event because they earned it and deserved it kind of thing. You know, just because they're big, meaty men slapping meat doesn't mean that they should be on the last, they should be the last uh thing you see on TV.

SPEAKER_04: 1:19:54

Because that's when it becomes sexist.

SPEAKER_05: 1:19:56

It's not always that great. Looking at you, Kingston, looking at you, Brock Lesnar and John Cena.

SPEAKER_04: 1:20:03

That was the first match. That was the God. Because if that was the last match, though, I I I would I would have issued a refund, my nigga. Absolute. Issue a refund for something you didn't even pay for. Yeah, yeah. That's that's why I you you wanted my money, you would have got it, but now you gotta give it back. Give me the money that I give me the time. Yeah, let's go. Let's go. Pay me for watching this garbage. Yeah, like yo, Justin Timberlake, my ass. Pay me, bro. Pay me that time, bro. Pay me that time. Um, but yeah, no, uh, definitely uh we'll be making efforts to do that. We gotta plan some time. Whether if we even want to do it on the Sundays, you know, saying something in general, we definitely should do. So oh yeah, you never gave the full booking. You said Awesome Kong, your book, your booking, and I think you say you're you had uh buried Rox.

SPEAKER_05: 1:21:00

Yeah, booking booking Awesome Kong. I have to bury Roxy Lebeau, and uh I'm bumping ODB. Boom! Like, if you would have said literally anybody else, whoever else that you would have said probably would have been buried. Because and at that point, I would have and it would have I would have been uh I would have been booking Roxy Lebeau. Okay. Because she deserved to be pushed. Because that voodoo drop was that voodoo drop was everything.

SPEAKER_04: 1:21:42

Um let's see here. All right, so last one uh for the for today. Um I'm gonna give Let me see if I can give you a good one. All right, for the piss poor teams that we had. These these are the the worst, I would say the worst factions, but they are kind of regarded as the the factions that just were not there or and we're not good. Fortune 4. You didn't think they were good? Nobody liked Fortune 4. All right. Aces and eights, and immortal. I was gonna say Midnight Immortal? Immortal, yeah. Who was Hulk Hogan's faction? I don't remember who was in it now. Um basically it was Fortune 4 and a couple of other people from um Geez, who was in Fortune now? Uh it was AJ Styles, it was Christopher Daniels, it was Bobby Roode and Rick Flair, right? No, Kazarian.

SPEAKER_05: 1:22:48

Okay. No, Ric Flair was in there because that was a good one.

SPEAKER_04: 1:22:52

Oh, he was leading. Yeah, but what I'm saying is like the wrestlers who was no, actually, excuse me. It was not um Christopher Daniels, it was um Desmond Wolfe.

SPEAKER_05: 1:23:02

Okay.

SPEAKER_04: 1:23:04

Or Nigel McGuinness.

SPEAKER_05: 1:23:07

Let's talk about fortune. I like Fortune. So there was Fortune. I know Aces and Aights had Ace and uh Aces and Aights was had a lot of people in it.

SPEAKER_04: 1:23:19

Don Kyle's family.

SPEAKER_05: 1:23:20

Practically. And then, but who was in Hogan's group?

SPEAKER_04: 1:23:23

Uh Abyss was. And because he was uh Oh god, yeah, yeah. Yeah, you remember that? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Um, he had Jeff Hardy as his main heel.

SPEAKER_05: 1:23:34

Oh, okay.

SPEAKER_04: 1:23:35

Um fuck, who else was in there? I know Fortune 4 guys are in there. Um, pretty much every other heel that was around that time. I remember uh Pope even was trying to go against him too.

SPEAKER_05: 1:23:46

I don't remember who was in the the the Hogan faction.

SPEAKER_04: 1:23:51

Well, how about this? Swap them out and put main event mafia because that was gonna be the other option.

SPEAKER_05: 1:23:55

Oh well, that changes fucking everything. Listen, listen, this this is how I'll do it. Cause when you put it that way, I am I am booking fortune.

SPEAKER_03: 1:24:09

That's crazy.

SPEAKER_05: 1:24:11

I'm going to bump main event mafia. I'm going to bury Hogan's group.

SPEAKER_04: 1:24:24

I said aces and eights. I said remove Hogan's group and put aces and eights.

SPEAKER_05: 1:24:29

Well, I'm going to say we're going to bury Hogan's group and I'm going to cut Aces and Aights. Damn. Since you gave me four, we're going to book bump bury and cut. I'm cutting Aces and Aights. Alright. Honestly, you could you could interchange Hogan's group or Aces and Aights, but more specifically, I think I disliked Aces and Aights more.

SPEAKER_04: 1:24:59

The storyline was interesting until it started becoming stupid. It was good until it was bad. Alright, so um, I will agree. I I'm I'm but also not gonna agree. I preferred main event mafia. I prefer I felt I felt that was a very smart idea. It was just not executed properly, and I feel like if I could book it better, one um I don't think I can keep Steiner. I don't think I can keep Steiner in that group. He he just no Booker T has to stay there. Okay, he has to be there. He has to be there, Kurt has to be there, Sting has to be there, but I just really wish Sting was the godfather and not Kurt. I would have made Sting the godfather.

SPEAKER_05: 1:25:56

Fair enough.

SPEAKER_04: 1:25:58

Like Nash could be there as an enforcer if his if his quads don't break.

SPEAKER_05: 1:26:04

I mean, main event mafia is solid. I just like fortune better. Because it had AJ Styles. Not even just because of AJ Styles, but like I think uh because I do believe it was Fortune going up against main event mafia, if I'm not mistaken.

SPEAKER_04: 1:26:20

No, main event mafia was out by then. Oh, they were? Uh Fortune was around the time where Hogan was uh his his his power reigned.

SPEAKER_05: 1:26:30

Okay. Okay. I guess I gotta go back and look at it.

SPEAKER_04: 1:26:34

Because uh the front line was what went against the uh the main event mafia, which was Joe Teen 3D, Brian. TNA guys, yeah.

SPEAKER_05: 1:26:43

Was going up against uh Mafia. The Mafia. And who was going up against Fortune?

SPEAKER_04: 1:26:49

Uh that was TNA guys again. Because I know I remember Jay Lethal. J Lethal was one of the people trying to go against him because Yeah, that's where the woo-off came from. But yeah, so like it was always TNA guys.

SPEAKER_05: 1:27:04

Gotcha. Cause these, yeah, these, because all these uh these old heads and these new people anyway. Yeah. Like, but yeah, no, like I I uh because I like fortune better, but I liked the look of main event mafia. Yes, the look suits and everything. The theme song was cool, yeah. The legends title and stuff like that. The teen.

SPEAKER_04: 1:27:28

Yo, the theme song was dope. I don't give a fuck what nobody says. Yeah. I would low-key do that as like uh a thing with some homies, and I don't even wear a suit, bro. I don't you you wouldn't even catch me one, but I wore one that day. Um bonus round, because I I want your opinion, and this is gonna be I want to do this, but I kind of already know if I did that version. Favorite tag teams, and I don't know if this is gonna be your favorite tag teams, but just from what I know Stirly Boys, Bear Money, Hardy Boys, who are you book bumping and burying?

SPEAKER_05: 1:28:12

Um Yeah, it's probably gonna be controversial, but uh I'm going to uh book the Hardeys. I'm going to uh bump beer money, and I unfortunately am gonna have to bury the Dudleys.

SPEAKER_04: 1:28:37

Yeah, that's controversial, all right, my nigga. What bro, what the fuck? You get rid of the Dudleys, not team 3D, the Dudleys. I said what I said. What the fuck? You're not even booking beer money, you're booking the Hardy Boys. Why?

SPEAKER_05: 1:28:51

Because I've always, always been Hardy's over Dudleys, brother.

SPEAKER_04: 1:29:01

And this is where we fucking always had an issue, son. Because there's no way in hell you are picking the Dudleys over the Hardy Boys, because the Dudleys are the most decorated tag team.

SPEAKER_05: 1:29:13

Bro, I'm telling you right now, I'm picking the Hardy Boys over the Dudley boys in their final match, bro. You was a bitch. And call it as a season. But in the game of ladders and tables, ladders is always been the way.

SPEAKER_04: 1:29:33

Fuck out of here. Is what it is. I'm gonna be real. As much as a Dudley boy fan I am, I am actually booking Bear Money, though. That's fair. I am booking Bear Money. And it would have been bumping the Dudleys and then burying the Hardies.

SPEAKER_05: 1:29:52

Ugh, burying the Hardeys. That's crazy talk. That's it is. That's real crazy. It is. That's absolutely but I mean I mean I guess it fits because I buried the Dudleys, so.

SPEAKER_04: 1:30:07

Yeah. Well, I mean, I'm not burying the Hardies because you bury the Dudleys. I'm just never burying the Dudleys. I'm not burying the Dudleys, and I'm not burying beer money.

SPEAKER_05: 1:30:22

I mean, I'm not either. Exactly. There's. But somebody's gotta take that pin. The Hardy's nigga.

SPEAKER_04: 1:30:31

Because Jeff is good no matter what. You said because Jeff is good. No matter what. You can't tell me he no matter what, Jeff is good. But the Dudleys can take a loss and that will hurt. The Hardeys, no.

SPEAKER_05: 1:30:45

Which is why I'm booking them. Fuck no. Fuck no. That's exactly why I'm that exact reason is the reason why I'm like, nah, we booked these boys. They're already booked.

SPEAKER_04: 1:31:00

They're already going to the fucking moon no matter what, bro. So burying them, you can't really technically bury them.

SPEAKER_05: 1:31:06

Listen, I'm gonna go and I'm gonna make my money with the Hardy's, okay? So you can tell me you won't make money out of beer money. That's why I didn't bury them. Oh my god. But you're telling me you can't make money with the Dudleys. I can only go so far with the Dudleys. Think about it. Together they're great. What happened when they split up? We got this punk ass Reverend D Von gimmick. That's because of Vince. Don't, don't, don't do that. That's Vince. What else has D Von done when he's separated from Bubba? Okay, look. Answer the question. You're not gonna put a black man down.

SPEAKER_04: 1:31:48

You're not gonna put a black man down right now, bruh.

SPEAKER_05: 1:31:51

Sure, Bubba Ray has gone on to become the Bubba Ray that he is, and he's become and he's done the the the Louie Ray type situation. Sure. He he has he's had things. What did D Von do?

SPEAKER_04: 1:32:02

D Von wanted to be a family man, my nigga. That's why. So then Matt Harden.

SPEAKER_05: 1:32:08

You see how many kids that man got? Yeah, you see how crazy his wife is? And do you see how his career has gone? How many belts he's had, solo, how many cool gimmicks he's gotten over. I mean, you're right. We're talking about tag team, we're not talking about singles, but that's the thing. Nope. I'm making the money off of the off of the Hardy boys, regardless.

SPEAKER_04: 1:32:31

How about this? Put them together or separate them. How about this? The WWE didn't even want to make money off the damn hardys. They put them in TNA. So there you go. Just for them to come back at the WrestleMania and win the titles. Okay, and they did that. And then guess what happened? They got rid of them, went to AEW, and then went to TNA.

SPEAKER_05: 1:32:52

So just for them to now come back and are gonna take the NXT tiles from them pumpkins. No, no, fuck they're not. Yes, they will. Hell no. I believe that they're gonna take them tag team tiles, brother.

SPEAKER_04: 1:33:05

Hell no. Well, is that match before they're bound for glory match? It is, I think it is. So they technically would have to win. However, it may be. I ain't getting that with the Dudleys. Because you know why? Because they're already the most decorated tag team ever. They have over 22, 22, 23 title reigns across the world. Okay. They're good. They don't need anything else, my nigga. They're already cemented that legacy. The thing with the Hardys is the Hardys is the hood champion. Every nigga loves the fucking Hardys, my nigga. Every nigga. There is not one black man who doesn't see Jeff Hardy and be like, get out with that nigga, bro.

SPEAKER_05: 1:33:52

And that's why I am booking them. No. Because they're going to bring me the money and the attention that I need.

SPEAKER_04: 1:34:01

Okay, okay. So what about personal then? What's your personal decision? What do you mean by personal decision? You're saying that's your business decision. You gave a personal and a business decision last time. What is your personal decision? And what's your since you have your business decision, since the Hardy Boys is your business?

SPEAKER_05: 1:34:17

Funny enough, that is my personal.

SPEAKER_04: 1:34:19

The fuck out of it.

SPEAKER_05: 1:34:20

Okay, so then what's the business then? The business one would actually end up with me having to unfortunately bury beer money.

SPEAKER_04: 1:34:32

Get the fuck out. You are not trusting beer money that much.

SPEAKER_05: 1:34:41

Business wise. Oh my god. As we just got done talking about. I would trust them to take my brand to where I need to go. But this decorated tag team you're talking about, if I just let them hang out in the med card and hold it down, that's going to appease the Dudley fans.

SPEAKER_04: 1:35:02

Hold up. You are literally doing a WWE right now by playing it safe. You don't even want to fucking put the beer money and book them and put them to the moon. You don't even want to take a gamble. You are literally being WWE right now by going with nostalgia.

SPEAKER_05: 1:35:20

I mean, at that point, if I was going with nostalgia, then I would be pushing the Dudleys. Because they that they're a big nostalgia act. Because ECW ain't around no more. And what they rep, ECW. That's the nostalgia act right there. That's the real nostalgia.

SPEAKER_04: 1:35:37

This man don't want to get it.

SPEAKER_05: 1:35:39

And then on top of that, when you look at the current landscape, the Dudleys are even more nostalgic because they ain't even actively really doing anything in the ring right now.

SPEAKER_04: 1:35:48

So you're saying that beer money wouldn't be?

SPEAKER_05: 1:35:51

Business wise, I am going off of that nostalgia fact because that's gonna make me the money.

SPEAKER_04: 1:35:57

So you couldn't make a beer with beer money. That Hulk Hogan shit, throw that out of the way, make beer money.

SPEAKER_05: 1:36:03

Come on, bro. You telling me you couldn't make money off of that. You saying that just reminded me of something I saw. I think it was Russell talk.

SPEAKER_04: 1:36:10

They were trying to get beer monet over. Yeah, they were trying to get fucking uh James Storm in there to try their non-alcoholic beer.

SPEAKER_05: 1:36:19

But listen, at the end of the day, the reason why that they would end up being switched is literally just because the Dudley boys do have more star power than beer money does. And that's just what it is. But I'm pushing the Hardy boys because Team Extreme is where it is to be. All right.

SPEAKER_04: 1:36:37

Alright, y'all. So I'm about to pull an Undertaker, so if you don't see this nigga here next week and you see my wife, you know why, nigga. What the fuck, bro? It's beer money, bro. Listen, beer money. Tell me. What do y'all think?

SPEAKER_05: 1:36:51

Like, that shit's crazy, bro. Are we sh what do y'all think? Are we real are we booking the Hardee's or are we booking the Dudleys? Like, realistically. Personally, I'm booking the Dudleys.

SPEAKER_04: 1:37:04

Personally. Business wise, I see the like they never actually came with a with a beer. Like, I feel like if they had done that, man, that shit would have. I would say maybe a skyrocket because it is TNA. But WWE wise, they wouldn't be able to do that. I don't even know shit.

SPEAKER_05: 1:37:19

I mean, granted, like the idea of them having a their own personal beer would be cool, but what would they call it? Beer money, nigga.

SPEAKER_04: 1:37:28

I don't think that that but it would be a the in the label would have the money, the the the the dollar around it or some shit like that.

SPEAKER_05: 1:37:37

That's that's now that's campy. Like that that that's that's that's way too campy. Like it's literally beer. I can get behind the idea of beer money having their own beer, but like but for it to be just named after their tag team, beer money, like it's you can't call it sorry about your damn look. I mean, unless you make it like the what what would be the initials for sorry about your uh sorry, so uh sorry S B Y D L. That what is it again?

SPEAKER_04: 1:38:14

S S A. Y. Yo uh D L.

SPEAKER_05: 1:38:23

S A D L?

SPEAKER_04: 1:38:24

S-A-Y-D-L.

SPEAKER_05: 1:38:26

See, that's also too long. I was about to say it could be like S-A-Y-D-L beer, like, but that that doesn't that doesn't actually uh Um he has a he has a he has a uh a uh a signature move.

SPEAKER_04: 1:38:41

I can't remember the last call. No, can't call the last call.

SPEAKER_05: 1:38:46

Yeah, they wouldn't be able to get the uh what's the word I'm looking for, the the patent for that. I mean, like, I'm not opposed that would think of something. I'm not opposed to the idea of them having you know giving them their own. Would you drink it? I don't drink beer. Would you drink it though? Would you would you try at least once? I mean, I'll try one, but then I'd probably take a sip of it and be like, yep, tastes like ass. Because all beer tastes like ass to me. Facts. Facts.

SPEAKER_04: 1:39:15

If it ain't clear, it don't get nowhere near my mouth.

SPEAKER_05: 1:39:19

I mean, I can I anything but beer is what it is for me.

SPEAKER_04: 1:39:26

So piss. All right. Anyway. Um, guys, I want to say That's what beer is, first off.

SPEAKER_05: 1:39:33

Okay. Trying to trying to like undermine us like trying to make it sound uh no. Anything but shut the fuck up, bro. Fuck that page.

SPEAKER_04: 1:39:48

Guys, what are your thoughts about the book bumper berry options that I gave Swine? I don't I think I might have slightly broken with the the DNA knockouts one. So I gotta try a little bit harder next time. But what are your thoughts about the book bumps or berries? Please let us know in the comments who would you have book bumped or buried. Let us know your GM opinions, okay? And next week we'll be back with another episode. Well, actually, uh can't really say that. Um, we'll be back with another episode. And as you guys always know, please make sure you like or choke slam the like button, tombstone the subscribe button, as we are back here every week with another episode of the Big Brothers of Destruction podcast, cuz it's the Masaka.

SPEAKER_05: 1:40:33

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SPEAKER_04: 1:40:35

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