Saturday Night's Main Event Review 11/25

The bell rang, the crowd roared, and the booking felt… safe. We dive straight into Saturday Night’s Main Event with the kind of unfiltered breakdown you send to your group chat. CM Punk walks out with gold, Jey Uso walks out with doubts, and somehow the most electric moment came from a cheeky bell ring that flipped a triple threat on its head. If you love ring IQ and hate empty sizzle, this one’s for you.

We start with Cody Rhodes vs Drew McIntyre—good match, thin payoff. The finish keeps the feud alive, but at what cost? When a top guy’s finisher doesn’t finish, you train the crowd to wait for the next twist. We talk fixes: protect the Cross Rhodes, raise the stakes, and give Drew’s excellent heel run wins that matter. Then we move to Jade Cargill’s heel title win. The injury angle protected Tiffany Stratton, but it also clipped Jade’s aura. If WWE wants a true powerhouse reign, book explosive five-to-seven minute showcases and build foils who can take believable losses. Dominance needs a runway, not caveats.

The night’s brightest spark? A clever, chaotic triple threat finish that crowned Dominik and actually surprised us. Production flub aside for Penta, the match felt live, uncertain, and fun—everything wrestling should be when it forgets to play it safe. Finally, we tackle the main event math: Punk needed a stabilizing run; Jey wasn’t the guy to dethrone him. But the bigger story is who’s missing from these spots. Where are the red-hot babyfaces? We make the case for Braun Breaker to stop orbiting and start wrecking, and why business-first booking must leave room for building the next headliners.

Tap in for sharp analysis, some spicy grading, and a few fixes that could turn these “safe” cards into must-watch cards. If you’re into strong opinions, match psychology, and smart storytelling talk, you’re in the right corner. Subscribe, share with a wrestling friend, and tell us your match of the night—did we get it right or are we off the ropes?

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Chapters

• 0:00 Cold Open And CEO Belt Banter
• 2:20 Setting The Agenda: Main Event Review
• 2:55 Andrade Rumors And Contract Claws
• 3:43 Jey Uso Backlash And Main Event Worthiness
• 9:20 CM Punk Promo Mercy And Mic Skills
• 12:30 Weekly TV: Setup For Saturday Night
• 16:10 AEW Collision Shoutout: Bandido vs Dorada
• 22:45 WarGames Logic And Theme PPVs
• 28:50 Cody vs Drew: Good Match, Flat Finish
• 34:20 Jade Cargill’s Heel Turn And Title Win
• 41:10 Can Jade Work WWE Style?
• 47:50 Women’s Division Direction On SmackDown
• 51:20 Triple Threat: Dom, Penta, Rusev Finish
• 56:30 Ranking The Card: Match Of The Night
• 1:00:10 CM Punk vs Jey: Outcome And Fallout
• 1:05:00 Protect Your Finish: Moves That Matter
• 1:10:10 Where Are The Red Hot Babyfaces?
• 1:15:40 Business Over Building New Stars
• 1:21:10 TNA Title Picture And Mike Santana
• 1:28:30 Final Grades And What’s Next

Transcript

SPEAKER_02: 0:13

Welcome to another episode of the Big Brothers of Destruction podcast. It's the Masaku. It's your boy, Swag Switch in the building. And I'm holding the most prestige title in gaming, you motherfuckers. It's the CEO title. Okay, I won. I won this shit.

SPEAKER_03: 0:29

His Mercedes Monet tribute, man.

SPEAKER_02: 0:31

Nah, I fought that shit. I heard that bitch is gonna lose some some of them belts soon. Hopefully soon.

SPEAKER_03: 0:37

Anyway. What are you talking? Did you not? I tagged you in the well, I tagged you in on the uh in the in the in the wrestling group chat. Oh yeah, about her actually getting a CEO. Someone showed the the CEO belt and Mercedes Monet had some eye had eyes on it.

SPEAKER_02: 0:51

Bro, just so she don't even know. She don't even know.

SPEAKER_03: 0:54

She don't need to see mine. That's all I know. Listen, she gonna she's gonna come up in there with her street fighter in the street.

SPEAKER_02: 0:59

If she does, she's about to wax. So help me, God, I'm gonna look at Jabailey and I'm gonna ask a couple questions. Because, like, bruh, what are we doing? Anyway.

SPEAKER_03: 1:11

Listen, all it takes is a couple of feet picks, and she's got that belt.

SPEAKER_02: 1:15

I don't think I don't think Jabailey's gonna do that. Jabailey is a man about money, okay? I'm gonna tell you that much. If anything, he's about his money. About his money.

SPEAKER_03: 1:24

Who else better than Monet?

SPEAKER_02: 1:26

Man, anyway, could we could we talk about what has happened in the wacky? You're the one who brought up the CEO. And I wanted it. Anyway, so if anything. If anything, but we gotta talk about Saturday night's main event. But before we kind of get into that, definitely want to go into some of the wacky, uh, wacky things that's been going on in wrestling. And I, you probably got some things you want to talk about too. So while our audience is aware, we're going to hear we're here to review Saturday Night's Main event. Let's also talk about the wacky stuff.

SPEAKER_03: 2:04

I mean, we'll we'll get, yeah, we're definitely gonna get into Saturday night's main event. But I I'll be honest with you. Uh number one, um, when it comes to what's happened this week, like ain't a whole lot really been going on this week in my eyes.

SPEAKER_02: 2:21

Well, you heard about the rumors about the Andrade situation where they're trying to maneuver uh his non-complete clause to make him come back to WWE.

SPEAKER_03: 2:31

I've heard some whispers about it. I don't I haven't I I've been meaning to want to look into it a little bit more, but as we saw in our last podcast, because I gave my opinions on Andrade and his foolishness and how I felt on it. And and to keep it short and sweet, is the fact that though it's kind of messed up that WWE is holding him by his curtails as they are, at the end of the day, they wouldn't be holding him if he did not do what he did. So he dug his own grave and now he has to to deal with the bed of nails that he has made for himself, and he's got a lay in it. And if WWE is like, hey, listen, you can either like, you know, not compete for a year and not get paid for a year and stuff, or you could just come back home. Listen.

SPEAKER_00: 3:22

Domin DMB. It is what it is. Like, you except the Lord of Darkness says you're saying sometimes that that's why you gotta read them contracts, bro. Yeah, no.

SPEAKER_02: 3:35

Allow the evil to guide you. I mean, that literally is that in a nutshell. But that's the situation with that. Um, you've heard all the the stuff that's been going on with Jay Uso about the audience really hating him, you know, being in the main event of Saturday night's main event, winning the battle royal. He has the most dislike videos in WWE history.

SPEAKER_03: 3:57

That's the craziest thing to me. Because and it makes me wonder who like any other people who I see like in my immediate internet presence, everyone's all like Yay Uso. But then to hear the fact that there are people who are active, I mean, us being some of those people who are all like because honestly, like you're not fooling nobody. Like, no one believes that Jey Uso is possibly worth the time to be even in this match with CM Punk.

SPEAKER_02: 4:39

We knew he was the fall guy. Of course. We knew that. There's I don't know why would you not be okay with him being the fall guy? You wanted punk to win the title.

SPEAKER_03: 4:47

I mean, because the only other option would have been sit, it's either sit here and watch Jay Uso get eat get beat by punk, or we sit here and we watch LA Knight get beat by punk.

SPEAKER_02: 4:57

You would have hated it more if LA Knight would have got beat by punk.

SPEAKER_03: 5:00

Oh like I mean, for all intents and purposes, like everyone I think is kind of sort of justified in the way that they feel. Because, like, I mean, they they have I don't even know if I want like I almost don't want to say this, but to a certain degree it is what it is. And they've kind of sort of been like force feeding us this oos, you know what I'm saying? They've been force feeding us him.

SPEAKER_02: 5:28

Well, I mean, yeah, he they want him to be as popular as Cena, you know, with the the the kids and stuff, you know, being there for the kids, because you know, when he cuts his promos, he don't really slur, you don't well he slurred, but he don't really like you know use cuss words like that, you know what I'm saying? And he just kind of like he's for the kids. I think that's their goal, is he he being for the kids.

SPEAKER_03: 5:46

And I think they could ease more easily successfully uh work within that goal if they just put him back in the mid-card.

SPEAKER_02: 5:55

Honestly, I would rather him be back with Jimmy.

SPEAKER_03: 5:58

But that makes him not as for the kids as before.

SPEAKER_02: 6:01

I mean, you could still do the it's it's it's us, oose, day one ish is just uh, you know what I'm saying? I mean they'd have.

SPEAKER_03: 6:09

I mean, they'd have to remix the they have to remix the song a little bit. Yeah. Penitentiary, yeah. But but but even with that, because like when him and his brother are together, they have uh, or at least with their more current personas, they're a bit more like even when they was last first came together and they actually had that moment where they was uh doing their you know their usual stick, yeah, you know, as as the the Usos kind of thing, it's like they still they do have that more edgier, not as for kids persona about them.

SPEAKER_01: 6:41

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03: 6:42

But it's like outside of their whole little storyline where they got right now, where he's like on this kind of sort of selfish train being a little young Roman or whatever they they've been saying about him and all this other stuff. It's like eh. But at the end of the day, he gives ass promos. His promos are like he he doesn't, he it's like he goes out there and he doesn't know what to say.

SPEAKER_02: 7:07

I I I I I sat here and talked to my mama, Oost. And after talking to my mama, I went to tie my shoes and I thought about what a tribal cheat told me. And he says, I gotta do what I gotta do for me. So at the end of the day, four letters, whoa, whoa, oh, oh it was like it's nothing, there's never anything in his promos.

SPEAKER_03: 7:32

It'd be just that. Bro, it was so painful watching CM Punk destroy him. It wasn't even destroyed, obliterate. So that's the thing. CM Punk could have, but CM Punk played. You can't sit here and tell me that CM Punk wasn't playing nice. Oh, absolutely. Like, like, like see see it's like whenever you like hanging out with your friends and you got that one homie who thinks like who thinks that they know how to talk shit in a video game. Chill out, homie. And then there's and then you got your friend who will literally roast everybody, but like when homie thinks he's talking shit, he's all like, listen, bro, I'm I'm not gonna embarrass you in front of everybody. So I'ma just say, uh just try hard. Do your best. When really, if it was anybody else, oh, he would have came, you would have came out the side of his neck on him. CM Punk came out there, he's all like, listen, bro, we're friends, we're we're cool, kind of thing. I respect you and whatnot, but just know uh I need this belt and uh I need it more than you do, and I'm gonna take it. And that's it. And and his response was he's damn near a dog.

SPEAKER_02: 8:58

Is that wow, bro? Is that like it it's cool, like don't give me the four letters, one word, uh like that that part's cool. But if you actually did a compelling promo with it, something of the level of the rock back in the day.

SPEAKER_03: 9:17

That's telling him to reach too high. I'm I'm just saying if he did, if he did.

SPEAKER_02: 9:22

You're making him reach. Well no, he likes doing the rocks, little, you know, you taking shit from your cousins. He takes most of his moveset is from his cousins.

SPEAKER_03: 9:33

Now, to be fair, uh well, no, I was about to say his I mean, yeah, he did take the spear from Roman. He took the rocks, you know.

SPEAKER_02: 9:42

Ugh, uh but he did you know what I'm saying, the dance shit. But he's sometimes still spitting there.

SPEAKER_03: 9:50

Listen, it's like we say on a regular basis, and and it continues to be proven, the wrong oos got pushed for the main. I mean, we I mean shit, I was I think I didn't I see you have a video about that? Somebody said that same shit. Yeah, you no, there was a video that someone else showed. Yeah. I mean, before we saw that video, we were already saying the fact that the wrong oost this whole time has been picked, and it's it is what it is. But like, honestly, because like when it comes to most of the shows that happened this week, Raw was pretty much just a whole lot of setup in preparation for Saturday night's main event. Um SmackDown, from what I've heard, because I actually didn't get a chance to watch SmackDown, my VPN was being stupid. And so but apparently SmackDown was mostly getting ready for Saturday night's main event. Saturday night's main event. I know Jade, she kind of furthered her heel persona situation, which we'll get into that shortly. The whole situation with Jade.

SPEAKER_02: 10:55

I'm definitely gonna ask you about what your match of the night is gonna be when it comes to Saturday night's main event. Because I'm curious. I'm curious now. If we picked the right if you picked the same one, we brothers for real.

SPEAKER_03: 11:07

AEW is uh AW.

SPEAKER_02: 11:11

Did you watch? I didn't even watch what? I didn't watch shit this week. I ain't gonna lie. Dynamite? I ain't watched that either.

SPEAKER_03: 11:18

Yeah, I watched Dynamite. I watched everything. Literally, the only thing I did not watch was uh was I take that back.

SPEAKER_02: 11:25

I did watch Dynamite. I take it back, I take it back, I take it, take it back. I thought about it.

SPEAKER_03: 11:28

It's just that forgettable. But uh the only thing I didn't literally, the only thing I did not watch was uh was SmackDown. And I only didn't watch it because I couldn't watch it on Friday when I could have. Yeah, my thing was being stupid. And so I had the choice of either uh watching SmackDown, then watching uh um Main Event. Main event, or just watch main event. And I was like, I'll just watch main event. Yeah. And then I tried to watch the main event on Saturday because I was out late. I came home, it was like 10 o'clock. I came home, turned main event on. I got like halfway. Actually, no, I did manage to finish the first match, and when the second match started, not you hitting the Shaquille O'Neal, bro! Yo, homie said And then I tried to wake myself up, started it over. Bro, bro, you hit the Shaquille O'Neal twice. I don't blame Saturday Night Main Event, though. Twice it was a good shot. I don't it it wasn't Saturday Night Main Event's fault. I was just apparently tired. Nah, that's crazy. That was a good it was a good show, though.

SPEAKER_02: 12:44

So I watched it this way, and it's sad too. It's on Peacock and I ESPN. I know ESPN swinging in the wind, like what the boop.

SPEAKER_03: 12:52

Well, that's also we could well, I mean, for that, for for the fact of it being actually decent, sure. And for me, I feel as if that Saturday Night Main event was only decent, mostly because of the wrestling aspect of it all. Because I'll be honest, the all the matches for that night were really good. Yeah. Before I do talk about that, I do want to give a shout out to AEW. Okay. The last match of collision, it was Bandito versus um Dorada or Brodito. No, Bandito.

SPEAKER_02: 13:30

Okay, Bandito. Okay, so anyway.

SPEAKER_03: 13:31

Bandito, and you made me forget his name again. Dorada or something? Uh uh uh Dorada.

SPEAKER_02: 13:36

Yeah, Dorada. Okay, Dorada. AKA Oh, the um the not Spanish god. Um, I know what you're talking about.

SPEAKER_03: 13:42

He was the one that was in the Takeshka and uh um in Okada match. Yeah, and he was like Oh, that guy.

SPEAKER_02: 13:51

Okay, I was thinking about another guy. Sorry. Um, but no, I know you're talking about, yeah, the guy who who in that um made that match worth watching, correct.

SPEAKER_03: 14:00

So they had a match against each other, and it was for uh the ROH title. He's still ROH champion, yes sir. God damn. This is a bandito be bandidoing, bro. Uh uh uh uh. Ah fam, he came out there. The match was it was amazing. Okay, I'm gonna have to watch that. Like, in stereotypical uh AEW fashion, there was really no rhyme or reason as to why the match was happening, to my knowledge. And I say that because I don't watch Ring of Honor. Okay, sadly, so there could have been something that happened on Ring of Honor, which led to this happening, but these two matched luchador luchadors went into this match, and man, I'm talking they tore the ever-living house down, bro. That match was amazing. Freaking, because they're going at it in the very beginning and stuff like that, and then there's this point where and I'm I don't know because he had because Bandito, he's he's got this, he's been having this issue with his shoulder type thing. And it's like he there was a spot that happened out the ring and he fucked the shoulder up. And it looked so bad to the point I thought they was about to stop the match kind of thing. Like they would they would like it looked like it was really Were he just selling it? I don't know. I'll be honest with you. Because he so let me put it this way: if if it was part of the work, then consider me worked. Because he sold that shoulder the whole match after this happened. Because like he came in, like he hurt himself, and like he came in, he's like, he's like, Are you sure you want to keep on? He's like, Yeah, no, no, no, no, we're gonna we're gonna do this. And I'm talking like his shoulder, he was like holding it, bro. He he looked like he was really hurt. Match continues, and I'm talking, these guys are out here doing the do you do you need do I need to move my team?

SPEAKER_02: 16:04

No, no, no, no, no, no. I'm good. You good? You sure? I'm good, I'm positive. All right. I thought about it because it's the it's the light, and it hits it, you know what I'm saying? Because it's it's prestige. Continue.

SPEAKER_03: 16:15

Anyway, so push come to shove. They uh they completely made if you don't watch collision for anything, watch that last match. Okay, okay. There were relatively decent matches throughout collision. Uh Megan Bain and uh her new tag team partner had their first showing. Penelope 4 is gone. Uh she's hurt. She uh fucked her arm up in that uh four-way, triple eight, eight, whatever tag that weird tag match that they had. Oh she fucked her arm up. And so now Megan Bain needed a new tag. Oh, that means you really did not watch AEW. So I told you. So to back up, real quick, uh, because that happened, Megan Bain was all like, if anyone thinks they're good enough to stand by my side and we fight for these titles, then uh make yourself known.

SPEAKER_02: 17:05

Did she say that on the dynamite? Yes.

unknown: 17:08

Yes.

SPEAKER_03: 17:08

And then uh Arena Shafir. Oh. Then Arena Shafir shows up and she's all like, well, I'm listening.

SPEAKER_02: 17:22

They're not gonna win, though.

SPEAKER_03: 17:23

And then like fucking uh the only thing I I I hated was like fucking, you know, because then goddamn uh Moxley walks up, he's like standing between them, he's like doing what he's known, he's all like oh, like I'm like Marcinio, shit your ass down.

SPEAKER_02: 17:40

I mean, if Megan Bain was in Death Riders, though, they kind of wicked. I mean, that would that would be a stupid thing to do.

SPEAKER_03: 17:46

So they had their match on collision against I I don't remember who they was fighting now, but uh they didn't look bad. Like they were straight. Fucking dominant is, of course.

SPEAKER_02: 17:58

So But you know Tony Storm and uh Mina getting that right. You do know that, right?

SPEAKER_03: 18:05

Uh that is a discussion for a later time. It is because um there's a lot to unpack with the women's title situation. I feel as if we haven't had a chance to really and it's mostly just because like we've been just been back-to-back like main pay-per-views, yeah, just pay-per-views back to back whole month kind of thing.

SPEAKER_02: 18:28

The last month. We just had this one, first one this month. Well, yeah, it was the WWE, it was a WWE pay-per-view, then it was an AEW pay-per-view, then it was a TNA pay-per-view, then it was a WWE pay-per-view again. I think. Yes. So it's like and then this oh the NXT, excuse me, the NXT. That was the NXT then the WWE.

SPEAKER_03: 18:46

Which I mean, it's still WWE, so you're still right. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. But specifically NXT, and then this main event slide.

SPEAKER_02: 18:51

I don't know. Hunter Hunter saying it's those three brands.

SPEAKER_03: 18:55

Anyway, but like I I kind of I still kind of lump Saturday Night Main event in with October because everything that has happened throughout October has led to that led to Saturday night's main event.

SPEAKER_02: 19:08

Well, let's talk about it. So since we're here about Saturday's main event, let's talk about the matches we have in the first one was Cody versus Drew. What are your thoughts?

SPEAKER_03: 19:18

So, my first thoughts are the fact that number one uh Saturday night main event was a thousand percent completely predictable, and nothing completely interesting truly happened from a uh from just an original standpoint as far as story and progression.

SPEAKER_02: 19:37

Oh, we definitely gonna get on that next match, and I'm gonna tell you how I feel about it.

SPEAKER_03: 19:40

And so that's uh that's that's that's just the thing I'm going to say on the top of this whole thing. Everything that happened tonight was a hundred times a hundred percent predictable.

SPEAKER_02: 19:55

Can we talk about how Drew is now two and nine for title matches? You got the numbers. They said that. They literally said it. He is two for nine now. Title matches. He's only won two title matches.

SPEAKER_03: 20:11

But the crazy thing is, with the way, so after I said what I said, taking all of that part out of it, the match wasn't bad. Drew is an amazing heel right now.

SPEAKER_02: 20:25

I think he he is so goddamn good.

SPEAKER_03: 20:27

This is probably of the matches that him and Cody Rhodes have had right now, like, this is uh this has been the best one. Story-wise, yeah. And so like this this was a good match. Uh, but like it does kind of and it's funny because as you see, I got my Claymore shirt on.

SPEAKER_01: 20:45

But it's like Big Daddy, it's crazy. Yeah, Big Daddy Claymore, my boy. Yeah, that's crazy. It is what it is. All right. But uh no pause? All right, crazy.

SPEAKER_03: 20:54

Anyway, no, but uh the match was good. Um I will say though, I did not expect the way the ending went down.

SPEAKER_02: 21:07

Yeah, the ending felt very anticlimactic. Also, by the way, did you see how his head hit the side of this shit? He hit the side plate?

SPEAKER_03: 21:16

Yes, he listened. That the uh dropping him on the so it's what I was saying, it's like I was I I won't say it was anticlimactic, but it definitely did the thing where now I see how they're going to keep this feud going on.

SPEAKER_00: 21:32

And and now I'm you used my head and hit me with the title belt, then got the DDT, you know, some shit like that.

SPEAKER_03: 21:39

Yeah, it's not a terrible uh uh if you can just put a a little bit more of a Scottish accent to it, that'll be honest.

SPEAKER_02: 21:45

Listen, like I don't even know how to do Scottish. Uh yeah, it the way I you have to literally just listen to it and then just like Yeah, I feel like yeah, it's one of those accents like where you you if you listen to him and it's I don't I don't I'm not gonna be disrespecting it, but at least get this part down, you know, all that shit.

SPEAKER_03: 22:04

But anyway, um but but like I know but with the way that this one ended, it's like okay, so Cody Rhodes obviously wins, but there's now gonna have to be a third match because now, first time Drew complained about the fact that the referee did what they did. Now, this time the he's gonna complain about the referee did not see the fact that Cody dropped him on his on the title and all this other stuff. So I feel at this point, yeah, though he brought it in, but he's not gonna talk about that part. He's gonna tell us like he cheated, da-da-da-da-da, and all this other stuff. And so now I'm feeling probably for Survivor series, we're gonna get some kind of no-holds barred, you know.

SPEAKER_02: 22:52

Well, I know WW I know WWE is trying to like really find where their um their war games matches are coming from because originally it was supposed to be CM Punk and Seth's teams, but then that's scrap, so they're trying to come out like the YS6 versus the MFTs.

SPEAKER_03: 23:06

Oh, yeah, YS6 versus the MFTs is obviously the what's going to be the war games right now.

SPEAKER_02: 23:12

Which the part is like they they've only done the standoff, so they gotta kind of start doing some more stuff to build up for November because it's literally like what three weeks from now?

SPEAKER_03: 23:19

Yeah, which I think is why they've been like trying to slow burn, and now that this is passing, we're in November. I'm I'm almost willing to put cash on the fact that on SmackDown they're going to SmackDown is when they're going to make the move to really start setting it up. They got three weeks. To make it make sense. So I'm sure they'll do it.

SPEAKER_02: 23:42

I'm pretty sure. Um, then we got the women, we got to find a women's uh war game smash that makes sense. I really hope not. We got they got to, because you know, they got to I really they we don't need it. See, here's the thing, and this is the thing that problem that really gets me too, because Hunter says, I'm tired of having themed pay-per-views. Yeah, we've had how many War Games pay-per-views now?

SPEAKER_03: 24:03

Well, so here's the problem. Because there's always been themed pay-per-views, and it's like War Games Survivor Series, for all intents and purposes, it's literally combining two pay-per-views. It's combining two pay-per-views together, and so because once upon a time, Survivor Series, way back in the day, that's all Survivor Series was. It was just a series of five-man tag matches.

SPEAKER_02: 24:28

Well, what I'm talking about is more so he hated like Hell in a Cell because it forces you to always have a Hell in a Cell match there. And he feels like a match like that should be for situations. Yet we've had a war games match every Survivor series now. Which I but you know what I'm saying, that kind of contradicts his his thing.

SPEAKER_03: 24:45

I don't think it completely, because like with that, with the with the hell in a cell match, 100% I agree that makes sense, and I and I'm I'm 100% with that. It does not need to be a pay-per-view, it just needs to be a match. And it's like that's like with the elimination chamber. Like I'm like half and half with the elimination chamber. I kind of feel the elimination chamber in the same way I look at with with war games, because it's such a spectacle match, and you can make it have its own meanings, because like, for instance, elimination chamber is someone's way to being able to go to WrestleMania to have a match. And the only other way you can get to go to WrestleMania is to go through the the Royal Rumble kind of thing. And so the person who wins the Elimination Chamber, after the Royal Rumble winner picks whatever title that they want, I guess, is then then you know, Elimination Chamber winner gets the other title. Or I actually don't know who gets to pick which.

SPEAKER_02: 25:49

Or I actually no, I think back Royal Rumble, you get to pick, Survivor Series is whoever um uh elimination chamber chamber is whoever um is for a specific belt.

SPEAKER_03: 25:58

Yeah, a specific belt. Either way, but even then though, to the main thing that you were talking about, I think having Survivor Series war games is fine because that I don't s there's no real reason to have war games at any other point in the year. You know what I'm saying?

SPEAKER_02: 26:22

True, but it's still it's still again, like you said before, they should be matches that make sense because like we just said, there's gonna have to be a woman's version now. There's nothing squad-wise that is that would justify a woman's match, but you're gonna see one.

SPEAKER_03: 26:37

Now, well, now I would say that just because we have the match doesn't mean guys and girls need it, but they're going to be going to, sure. And it's like maybe they'll make the women's one be for some particular purpose. Because right now, there is nothing happening in the women's division that would warrant a woman's war games. Uh a woman's war games. Kind of like with the because like blood and guts is just war games without a cage.

SPEAKER_02: 27:11

Yeah. And it's like well, it's it's it's it's a cell, actually. Blood blood and guts, I think it's a cell. No, blood and guts, they don't have anything. It's just no, it's it's a it's a cage situation. Cause I remember last time, the last one I saw was when remember when um MJF pushed Chris Jericho on a pad, went out on a cage.

SPEAKER_03: 27:31

I don't remember that now.

SPEAKER_02: 27:33

Yeah, he like he he obviously fell on a pad. It was as obvious. But um but anyway, but it's like we we did we completely went off topic here, by the way.

SPEAKER_03: 27:43

Um, but when it comes to like the the way that those kind of matches work, I feel as if for the once one time of the year type situation, because of the theatrics of those kind of matches, it makes sense why it's at this particular point. Because once again, when you talk about the theme pay-per-views, that's for all intents and purposes, they just added an extra bit on top of the original theme of Survivor Series. Yeah, Five Man. But with Survivor Series before, you know, like in the past pass, it was just people would just pick teams and they would fight. And then they stopped doing it for a very long time, and Survivor Series became a who gives a fuck pay-per-view. And then they brought back the teams when it was like because they used to be Survivor Series, SmackDown versus Raw kind of thing, and so and then they even did that with NXT versus whatever. Yeah, and so it's like now with the war games piece, there is there is a particular merit, and because they have these teams, sure. Now, once again, I will say the fact that like there's we don't need a woman's one unless they're just going to unless they because it's like unless they can figure out a story to make it make sense why these ten women are going to fight each other for the the war games.

SPEAKER_02: 29:05

Rhea Ripley, EO Sky. And then you're gonna probably have the Kabuki Wars on one side, maybe, and then we'll find out three later on. Uh so back to the Drew match, Drew and Cody match. Um, I feel like the storytelling was there in the beginning. I was surprised that we broke an announcement table in the first fucking match of the night. But um it it was a match at the end of the day, like you can't really complain about it. I think Cody actually only hit one crossroads, didn't he? I think he too I think for once he actually just hit one. But I think because the belt is the most strong and protected item in wrestling, I hope. Always. Uh it made sense if I hit you with this belt and I hit you with a finisher. It should be good. Well, yeah, he hit the finisher on the belt. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So, no, he I don't think he hit on the belt. He only D T. Yeah, I'm saying, yeah. That was the thing. But obviously, the continuation of the future is going to happen. To me, it was like, what's the point of this match? You know, they try to do the whole American dream thing with Drew and all that kind of stuff, which by the way, uh Booker T, if you're going to glaze, glaze like Wade Barrett glaze. That that's that's okay, glazing. That is okay glazing. Because we just talk about, of course, Drew McIntyre's the American Dream. He came from the box. Like it was glazing, but it wasn't like, all right, man, just chill the fuck out. You're doing too much. Listen. Booker T is gonna do what Booker T wanna do. Russell Talk says that uh Booker T is the worst commentator currently in WWE.

SPEAKER_03: 30:53

Well, that's their opinion.

SPEAKER_02: 30:56

I will agree with this opinion.

SPEAKER_03: 30:58

Hey. Watch me pop my neck, man. I mean, you you can say that that's not at all. Oh yeah. You can say that's not the CEO uh uh uh money uh Miss Monet type. Oh yeah, man. And we and people can say whether if it's true or not. Uh-huh. So it is what it is.

SPEAKER_02: 31:17

Oh yeah. Chucky Dunkie Quack quack. Anyway, next match, which I was you know that moment when you gotta face the music and uh had to face the music as and here's the thing too, they still try to make Tiffy strong with the whole knee shit. Like she couldn't just lose clean. Um I was like, all right. I don't know where you're going with this, bro. Because it was like, okay, if you're gonna make Tiffany, not Tiffany, if you're gonna make Jade strong, doing this whole knee situation, because like, you know, Tiffy's beating her like three times now, so yeah, that makes sense. But it was like I to me, I feel like it devalued the win because it was definitely a squash match, pretty much. Yeah, well, and I like the fact that it was almost a squash match. Listen, because that's how Jade should have been doing it.

SPEAKER_03: 32:25

So uh I what with you're saying about the whole devaluing piece, right? Uh uh my my response is we devalued Jade a long time ago. Ooh, I mean Okay, I mean, yeah, but the heel turn, it's supposed to change her. Yes, and you know how it changed her? She attacked Tiffy on SmackDown, busted up her leg, and because Tiffy is so prideful, she's going to go into that match hurting and limping and lose. Yeah. And so that's why Jade now has the title because she did the heel thing and she got the cheap win because obviously she wasn't going to get it done any other way. She even admitted it herself. She admitted it herself. Damn. Listen, fam. When y'all had Jade Cargill lose clean the first time, I stopped caring. Damn. Stopped caring in beating it. And what kills me, what kills me is the fact that Jade's out here is like, if if the referees wouldn't have screwed me over or or whatever the fuck she was saying about, you know, cause because she went for the what is it, the first time they she went for the pen she's doing her and her tell and her fucking leg hit the rope. The referee's like, uh, her leg's on the rope. Whose fault was that? Nothing but Jade's fault. All right. She has no one to blame but her dumb ass self for getting for being all theatrical and all this shit. And she got her homegirl's foot on the on the rope. And then she proceeded to get moonsaulted on prettiest one of all, and then boom, she lost. Who cares? And then she forces herself into the whole fucking situation again with the with the uh and they had that match where she went through where she like clo what uh uh speared her through the whatchamacallit kind of thing. Yeah, where she speared her through the barricade and they lost that way. It's like, well, you lost it, but yeah, with the count out.

SPEAKER_02: 34:32

Wasn't that Nia Jax photo?

SPEAKER_03: 34:34

No, no, Nia Jax did not come out there until after the bell was ranged. Oh, you right. So you know what that means? She lost on her own accord. She was the stupid one to want to do all that stuff outside the ring and put it through the website. So basically, because I mean, like, even on- And then when they had the match when Nia Jax was in it, that horribly botch fest of a match. She's all like, if Naya Jax would listen, it's a three-way match. Maybe you should have been smarter with the way you was pinning, pinned her in the middle of the ring. Nia Jax wouldn't have been able to get you. That's why he lost that time. And then we're doing the whole thing where we're gonna reward bad behavior.

SPEAKER_02: 35:18

Oh, here we go. We do not reward bad behavior.

SPEAKER_03: 35:24

I don't know. Maybe I'm parenting wrong. You know, whenever my son does something that I'm not okay with, he gets punished. I take things away, I send him to his room without pay. Okay. Without pay, like and instead, we're all like, you know what? You did that bad thing. Fine, go to Saturday Might Main events and fight Tiffany Straton since she still wants to f no. It's whatever. She's the champ, man.

SPEAKER_02: 35:56

Oh, it's right. That's that's him making that decision, right?

SPEAKER_03: 35:59

Well, I mean, at this point, both at this point, both of them are terrible. Like that we need we need better GMs, because these GMs are just not doing it for me, bro.

SPEAKER_02: 36:08

It's official. Anyway, um, I felt like it was a decent squash. It wasn't match of the night, but it was a decent squash. It was what we should have got the first time. Okay. So you don't think we should have got a squash?

SPEAKER_03: 36:25

A squash match?

SPEAKER_02: 36:28

Like Jay's presentation, the way the way WWE to me, I feel like should have been doing it, was make her as dominant as possible, just like AEW did. That's what made her shine in AEW is because she's literally Goldberg, she's not that great in certain things, so she needs to do short, long, short matches. And what's the best way? Explosion, get it in, five, six minutes, get it done.

SPEAKER_03: 36:54

See, the problem is is the fact, like, I I would have agreed to that, but because the that's not the presentation we've been getting this whole time, you're I'm saying that's what we should have got.

SPEAKER_02: 37:06

And if if we it and because we haven't, we have this mediocre shit right now.

SPEAKER_03: 37:12

Uh so like because of the fact that the female, the female wrestlers on WWE are so much more superior than the female wrestlers on AEW, it's very hard for me to possibly believe that. If Jade Cargill would have started in NXT, we might have had a different conversation. Alright. But like, if that's the case, you were you telling me that I would have had to sit through a squash match between Jade and Oscar?

SPEAKER_02: 37:50

I'ma need you. I'm gonna need you to get Jade versus Oscar. Put some credit on my fucking girl Tony Storm, my nigga. Put some credit, bro. She's a damn good wrestler. All right. Put some put some put some respect on that fucking name. Anyway, uh, maybe not Oscar. You're right. All right, you right, you right, all right, you right. I'm just saying. Who better question?

SPEAKER_03: 38:15

With what that that thought process. Who she's squashing? Bailey. Really?

SPEAKER_02: 38:20

I think she should squash Bailey. Really? In a situation that I mean, if anybody to me.

SPEAKER_03: 38:27

Roma.

SPEAKER_02: 38:28

No, I'm not talking about like just I'm talking about the appearance of Jay Cargill's Neo Sky. Okay. Well, technically she's smaller than her, and that's a David Naglide. Charlotte Flair. That's definitely not happening. That's absolutely I'm not even a Charlotte fan.

SPEAKER_03: 38:45

Naomi.

SPEAKER_02: 38:48

Nah, because her gimmick is too good. I just told you, nigga. I just told you, nigga. I I said, I said, I said, I said, I um fucking Julia, fucking um NXT Tyler, okay. Okay, she's in the main roster now, all right?

SPEAKER_03: 39:05

But at the time she was an NXT Tyler.

SPEAKER_02: 39:07

But she's not in there now, and she's on SmackDown with Jade. Boom. You get you say you want to wrestlers, I'm giving it to you. Um Roxanne Perez. Fucking Roxanne?

SPEAKER_03: 39:19

Rock She can squash it. She can squash her, yo. Bro, bro, if you turn up missing, I know what happened. Nigga, get the fuck out of me. Wait, are you telling me? Are you telling me the IWC is gonna get on me like that? Bro, Roxanne Pere. Y'all could definitely, y'all see that. I'm just saying, if you are going to do it, trust me, I watched the next T at that time. Well, you have to excuse him. No, no, no. I'm just saying if you are going to present her in well.

SPEAKER_02: 39:49

No, trust me, I like her. I'm just saying. What I'm saying. Okay, listen here. Because the presentation for fucking Jade is short matches, explosion. You cannot put her in long fucking form matches. So she has to be dominant because she does not have the ability to wrestle the WWE style. So if you're going to use her, she should be dominating the fucking talent, is what I'm telling you.

SPEAKER_03: 40:16

At that point, maybe she just needs to go back to AB. Maybe and and squash your girl and so she's not gonna keep it moving. Absolutely not.

SPEAKER_02: 40:24

Oh, okay. Absolutely not.

SPEAKER_03: 40:25

But but then you look at the people who you were trying to say.

SPEAKER_02: 40:29

I'm just saying, if they were gonna do the situation, bro, I'm just saying, if in a hypothetical, my nigga, hypothetical.

SPEAKER_03: 40:36

Listen, number one, Jay Cargill is, in my opinion, she is not big enough to be so metaphorically squashing, bitches.

SPEAKER_02: 40:48

And when I'm okay, okay, when we talk about a squash, okay, I'm talking about in the sense of she should be dominating that person in the match. Physically, okay? Definitely not a Rhea Ripley because they kind of have the same body almost. So, like people like her.

SPEAKER_03: 41:04

It's because of that reason why I can't believe her squashing anybody. It's because of that reason. Because we got people like Rhea Ripley, I can't see her squashing these girls like that.

SPEAKER_02: 41:22

But okay, so then if that's the case, if you don't think that's the style she should have, what do you think Jay Cargill should be doing then? Because if if she can't even wrestle with the people that she's with right now, what is the point of having her?

SPEAKER_03: 41:36

That's actually a great question. They need to sit the to the better question, the better thing would be to do is actually have sent her to NXT so that she could get good. Or if she can't get good where the physique matches the moves in the ring, then I either let her go or make her be a tag team. Or even better, what they did do with her on AEW, give her some backup bitches.

SPEAKER_02: 42:13

Well, she technically had those at one point with Bianca and Naomi, but But she wasn't a main attraction.

SPEAKER_03: 42:21

But see, that's the thing. She number one, that is absolutely disrespectful. Jay was not the main attraction in that group. No, no, no, no, no, no. The the fact that you was even going to remotely consider No no no no no.

SPEAKER_02: 42:36

I'm just saying the fact that you said put her put her with some shorties, they put her with Naomi and Bianca. No, no, no, no.

SPEAKER_03: 42:42

I didn't say put her with some shorty, I said put her with some backup bitches.

SPEAKER_02: 42:46

Okay, yeah, no, we ain't I always try to keep the backup bitches at all. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. No, no, no, no, no. Bianca is definitely not a backup business. I'm just talking about putting her in a crew. And that's why I said she's not the main attraction in that.

SPEAKER_03: 43:01

And see, it to even further that whole squash match thing, when you got females like Bianca on the roster, who the fuck she's squashing, dog. Okay, she gotta find something because she can't be like Oh, she she needs to find flatbacks.

SPEAKER_02: 43:19

With a flat, what the fuck is a flatback?

SPEAKER_03: 43:21

That's a wrestling school, my brother. She needs to go to the establishment. That's a wrestling school as well. Also, the place where my boys are the tag team champions at. Hell, she could go to a house of champions. Very expensive.

SPEAKER_02: 43:38

So you say so you say she needs to go to a different promotion in general.

SPEAKER_03: 43:41

No, no, no, no. She needs to go to a wrestling school. Oh. And learn how to play to her size and ability. She's she went to the PC. I arrest the school to you. I she she didn't stay there long enough. So now, because she's obviously needing it, maybe she needs to go outside the PC. You know what I'm saying? Maybe at the GCW like fucking natty. You know what? Maybe wherever she goes, she needs to go there and learn how to work the body type and frame that she has.

SPEAKER_02: 44:19

So what you're saying at the end of the day, you do not enjoy Jay Cargill's product currently.

SPEAKER_03: 44:25

Currently, no. I believe in Jade Cargill as champion as much as I believe as Ricky Stark as our NXT champ. And them two motherfuckers are in that photo. Crazy, right? Listen, these AEW people that have been coming over the WWE getting these belts, I'ma need them to do better.

SPEAKER_02: 44:47

Here's the thing about both of those two, by the way, especially Jade. I don't feel like that rain is gonna last long. Jade? Yeah. No. Unless it could. Well, no, actually, it because SmackDown doesn't have a lot going on with their women's division, because Charlotte's tag team champion, so she's not going for it. Julia's United States champion, she's not going for it. Mingchen is definitely not going for it. She better not. She just got done losing a whole bunch of matches to Julia. Yeah, and then B Fab is definitely not going for it.

SPEAKER_03: 45:18

She also just got done losing a bunch of matches to Julia. So if we ever think Chelsea Green might be next up, I mean, they might as well. I believe Chelsea Green more. Because see, Chelsea Green has everything. There's that part. But then, story wise, Chelsea Green has everything she needs.

SPEAKER_02: 45:36

I didn't mean to call you no bitch, by the way. Um I respect Chelsea Green the first time.

SPEAKER_03: 45:40

Well, she has everything that she needs to be a woman's champion and be able to hold it the way that she could. She'd hold it the same way she had it with the goddamn uh uh West Time.

SPEAKER_02: 45:51

The the the the the the the hervis, which get well soon, Piper Niven.

SPEAKER_03: 45:55

And so like like so like with Jade right now, if they for me, for me to continue to believe it, I need her, they need to do something with her to make it because it's like for her to move forward and then start squashing more people isn't going to make sense to me with the presentation that they've given me. Unless we unless there's they can unless they can reach deep down into their storybook conversation and thoughts to find something to make me believe it. Make her be relentless. Nothing is going to make me believe it. Like it even then, like I mean, granted, heel turn is has activated. This match has happened where she attacked Old Girl and blah, blah, blah. What's really going to count is the next is the next one.

SPEAKER_02: 46:44

And whoever that next person is, you lose now.

SPEAKER_03: 46:48

Obviously, going to be Tiffany Stratton. Don't sigh like anything. No, I mean, yeah. I mean. She's going to have to fight Tiffany Stratton.

SPEAKER_02: 46:57

Well, no, I think they might do an injury injury angle with uh Tiffany so she could be gone for a minute.

SPEAKER_03: 47:05

Which I guess is fair.

SPEAKER_02: 47:09

Because she definitely needs some off with all three time.

SPEAKER_03: 47:11

But if they do, like, I like I don't unless they do have I mean, the only other thing I think of is that and maybe this is where they're going to do it, but then we're going to get into this heel-on-heel situation. Is if we're going to have good old Naya Jax show up and let her try and fight.

SPEAKER_02: 47:30

I wonder how this is going to come into play with Naomi when she comes back. If she's still a heel. That's gonna be weird.

SPEAKER_03: 47:36

Oh, she's gonna come back as a heel.

SPEAKER_02: 47:37

I know, that's what I'm saying.

SPEAKER_03: 47:38

I actually saw a picture today, actually, of Naomi Full Prego, boy. She she baby pumping, my boy, why she's out here.

SPEAKER_02: 47:48

Jimmy was, oh, and um, you know, with Naomi and so. So uh overall, overall, um, yeah, no, while I had to come to the conclusion that this is gonna happen. I mean, honestly, as people say Tiffany's uh title reign has been very stale, it's only because the SmackDown product is not good right now for the women's division. It's not Tiffany's fault. So it's definitely not Tiffany's fault. This is similar to the situation you've brought up with Eva Marie. This is literally that situation.

SPEAKER_03: 48:19

It's it's not Tiffany's fault. She's Tiffany's fine. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02: 48:22

It's just they they've they've given her nothing. They've given her the same opponents multiple times. It was Naya Jax, it was Jade, Naya Jax. That's all she's really faced this whole time. Literally. Literally. Nia Jax and Jade. She she only faced Charlotte one time.

SPEAKER_03: 48:39

And that was at WrestleMania.

SPEAKER_02: 48:40

Yep, that was it. And then Charlotte, you know, started hanging out with the crazy girl. You know what I'm saying? And so they're best friends. Allegedly. Nah, they best friends. Anyway, um, uh, I'm going on with the fat they best friends. Uh that match, like I said before, you know, you come to the conclusion you knew that was gonna happen, it happened. So where are they gonna go with this with Jay? I don't know, and I'm not really ready for this ride. Because, you know, what are you gonna do? What are you gonna do? Who is gonna be our opponent unless you bring somebody from Raw? Like, I don't know where they're gonna go with that. So it is what it is, but moving on.

SPEAKER_03: 49:19

Until SmackDown.

SPEAKER_02: 49:21

Moving on, we're gonna we're gonna go to the luchador. Did you see fucking my nigga has a luchador mask on his throat? Oh, yeah, that's been bro. You have not. No, but like, I'm talking about another one he has on his throat, too. He has another tattoo from a story he talked about with Stephanie, where um he has like villain. It's like luchador in like in in in Spanish, because his first neck tattoo, that was that one. And but he has another one now. But he was telling a story about uh he brought his he brought his girl to uh his girl brought him home to his family. And um they saw his tattoos and they would say, Yo, man, if anything you could do, just don't do the neck. And his first one was that, and then he finally got this one, and he apparently has another one now.

SPEAKER_03: 50:04

Yeah, I'm I'm not feeling the neck tattoos. They're uh but you know he got that high flying neck when you when you are in a position of making uh all of the money you could possibly ask for, uh uh who who cares how much tats you have on he got that 619 neck. And so, like but this match was uh it was so so. Uh I'm sure you enjoyed it.

SPEAKER_02: 50:34

I enjoyed the finish with Dom. Like, they're definitely he's definitely gonna be a face. Everybody keeps talking about he's gonna be a face in it, and because of moments like last night, you could see it. It's coming. And um the whole ringing the bell thing was just pure gold.

SPEAKER_03: 50:52

Yeah, that shit was hilarious. Pure fucking gold. That that the part when you rain spelling and Rusef, uh referee is like, no, no, that wasn't me. He's like, What do you mean that wasn't you?

SPEAKER_02: 51:03

As you see, dominate Yeah, like and you knew that's what happened because nobody like the music didn't even play, nothing. Like, so you knew it wasn't the real, so that was it was just hilarious.

SPEAKER_03: 51:19

That shit was too funny. Uh it still did my boy Dirty though. I still feel bad for Penta out here. Just Penta, just go to Snap.

SPEAKER_02: 51:27

Yo, did you see how his pyro did one of his pyros didn't go off? I got so bad because like you saw all three, you see three of them go off the fourth one, then go off. Yikes. Yeah, and this is in the middle of the ring. So it's it's the one on the far. Okay, like if I'm facing the ring, it's the one on the right.

SPEAKER_03: 51:45

Okay.

SPEAKER_02: 51:46

And then you just see it's like he does it, and that's like you see only three of them go up. You're like, oh. That's how you know he won't win. We ain't got enough money for you for your pyrows. But uh, the match was pretty good though.

SPEAKER_03: 51:59

No, honestly, it was a solid match. Like, and uh it was a solid match, but it had but it puts me in this position where I'm just like, so what are we going to do now? Like, cause like, uh are we just we're just really gonna let Dominic run around like this, huh? But two belts, two belt dom. I mean, because for all attempts and purposes, Dominic is like the heavyweight champion of the Mexican brand, the Spanish brand, triple A. So it's like he is like their their head champion. Like he is he is the king of AAA right now.

SPEAKER_04: 52:36

Yep.

SPEAKER_03: 52:37

And he's got the secondary title in WWE. And it's like a matter of time. It's interesting that they're letting him hold this belt like they are, and he's just getting away with the shenanigans as long as he has. Cause I I I more than halfway expected him this this to be done by now. Like him went losing like one of the belts? Yes. The intercontinental title. I figured he was going to drop this intercontinental title by now, and he would just focus on triple A stuff.

SPEAKER_02: 53:10

But it's like that would to me that would uh destroy his momentum. But I see what you're saying, though. You you kind of figured with him winning that belt, he would lose the intercontinental title to focus on triple A.

SPEAKER_03: 53:23

I don't see I I don't that and because the fact that he has that triple A title, because once again, like when you line up all the titles that are on triple A, the belt that he has is the tippy top belt. Yep. And so it's like I I myself don't see how dropping Aaron Continental title hurts him.

SPEAKER_02: 53:42

It doesn't really. But it just, you know, if he focuses all his intention on triple A, we don't get moments like we did last night. Sure. Because imagine if all that happened in Triple A, you wouldn't see that shit. I don't know. Because I've been watching them triple A pay-per-views.

SPEAKER_03: 54:01

Yeah, but those are the world collides ones. And considering the fact that because of what Dom what he is, like, I'm sure we would hear about it. I mean, plus he's got the everything going on with like uh Judgment Day. The Judgment Day piece.

SPEAKER_02: 54:15

I mean, but again, if we're talking about him being in AAA, have you watched any of their regular shows?

SPEAKER_03: 54:21

I actually don't know how to, to be honest with you. I mean, none of us do.

SPEAKER_02: 54:27

If I could, I probably would. Yeah, especially no, that that girl was in AEW, not mine. She was on CMML. CMML L. Um Yeah, don't cross those two, man. Yeah, don't cross those two. Uh, because Conan would get me. But uh again, match was really good. I feel like this was to me, because of that moment, match of the night. Because hard second is the main event. I'm kind of like tippy, I'm kind of teeter-tottering the two, honestly.

SPEAKER_03: 55:07

Oh, because now that I because because that was an that was what a small gripe of mine was the final night. There was like there was literally four matches. Yeah. But like, um, but no, I can I can easily agree. Uh but this match was match of the night, not just because of that, but just because out of all the matches, this was the one that I pr I had the least prediction in.

SPEAKER_02: 55:35

Because it can go three ways, really.

SPEAKER_03: 55:38

Because it could have gone either way. In my mind, there was a part of me that expected Rusev to win. Yeah, Rusef was the one who I had in my mind to win. So it's like the the fan of me was all like Rusef's gotta take this. The the the podcaster, uh, the ever so slight analyst. The booker? No, not the book. If I was booking it, the booker would have given it to Pinta by now. See, you getting it, my nigga. You getting it, boy. We bought it like we blood for a reason, bro. So it's like the the fan of me, Rusev. The booker, Pinta. The reason why Pinta is because Pinta has been being dicked around and shafted, and he has just he has been getting fucked this whole time in this title situation.

SPEAKER_02: 56:31

I mean, he is, but I wouldn't use any of those words, but all right. What words were you would have used?

SPEAKER_03: 56:44

Anyway, anyway, as we fast forward. The what so with those two, my my sneaky feeling of like, all right, I'm pretty sure that with the way that things have been going, Dominic is probably going to win because the because the odds are so stacked against him. But I'm going to allow myself to believe otherwise. And because of that, I feel like this match went off without a hitch. Everything about this match was great. It was good. Definitely match of the night. Easy. Easy. Easy.

SPEAKER_02: 57:24

There was no close contender for match of the night. So you wouldn't say the fine the the main the main event wasn't at least a a second? No. Actually.

SPEAKER_03: 57:37

It was a if some if it was a sprint in in the in this match was able to beat the time in in in in in 55 seconds and got first place. The main event match got beat the time at one minute and 15 seconds.

SPEAKER_02: 58:01

How did I know you were gonna go that far? Alright, so you telling me, okay, so I'm ranking the pay, I'm ranking the the pay-per-view is Dom and then my best match of the night. That's first, CM Punk second, CM Punk and Jay second. Of course. Then Cody. Yeah. And then Jade.

SPEAKER_03: 58:21

Oh, that's exactly how that goes.

SPEAKER_02: 58:22

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. That's what I'm saying. That's why I said a good second would be the CM Punk match.

SPEAKER_03: 58:27

Yeah. Comparably speaking, like that first place was like uh uh freaking gold medalist Hussein Bolt first place, you know what I'm saying?

SPEAKER_02: 58:36

G.

SPEAKER_03: 58:37

And then the rest of the medalists. Damn.

SPEAKER_02: 58:40

G that's crazy.

SPEAKER_03: 58:42

Anyway, uh it's because of the fact going into this main event, like come on.

SPEAKER_02: 58:50

I mean, we all knew who the fuck was gonna win. We all knew. And if he and if he won, trust me, the internet would have the internet's already hating this man for whatever reason, you know, him just hating for all intents and purposes.

SPEAKER_03: 59:05

Because of that factor alone, they definitely weren't putting the belt on. If he would have won, this podcast would have had a completely different energy about it. This podcast would have felt a whole lot different.

SPEAKER_02: 59:24

I mean, the pay-per-view would have gone from this is a solid.

SPEAKER_03: 59:28

I would have went from to hold on, let me rewind that shit. Let me rewind real quick, cuz the fuck did I just miss? The pay-per-view to me is a low B.

SPEAKER_02: 59:42

Low B. If he would have won, that shit would have went straight to E. Uh, a low B. It's a solid C for me. It's like a low B because of the Dominic Mysterio and Penta in the match. So that was the highlight of the night for me.

SPEAKER_03: 59:58

I no, I Uh I mean yes and I can understand where you come from.

SPEAKER_02: 1:00:04

Like it's still a C though. It's like okay, okay, so say if C was 60 points. And to get to B, you gotta get 61 points. That is where it's at for me. It's at 61.

SPEAKER_03: 1:00:23

Fair enough.

SPEAKER_02: 1:00:24

That's why I say it's a low B.

SPEAKER_03: 1:00:27

It's not that close to B for me. Okay. Like if it's uh for for me, it's like uh it's if it was like a uh what's where what how do I put it? It's like uh uh so with that comparison if what was you what you said, if 61 was a B?

SPEAKER_02: 1:00:46

61 was a low B.

SPEAKER_03: 1:00:49

60 is the high C is a high C, then this would have fell at like a 57 for me. Okay. Like it's it's it's almost touching. It's solidly, uh it's solidly a C. There was potential for a B. Honestly, if they would have thrown like maybe one more match in there, and it'd be good, it didn't have to be great. It just had to be good. Then maybe we could have gotten to some B territory. But with the four matches that y'all gave me, it's not enough of ingredients. Not enough ingredients to cook me as satisfied. So this is hamburger helper. Hamburger helper made with no extra seasoning. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, just straight hamburger helper. Right, right from box to pan to plate. Right from box plan to plate. No Everglade seasoning, you know. Oh Florida Overglades! You know, like no, no, no, no uh Parmesan, you know, just straight, you know, straight.

SPEAKER_02: 1:01:49

Anyway, but overall with this match, yes, going into it, you knew Jay was not winning this shit. Absolutely not. And if you thought he did, you're a fucking moron.

SPEAKER_03: 1:02:01

So you know what would have made this a beep show? If Braun Breaker showed up and the vision showed up.

SPEAKER_02: 1:02:13

You mean the bronze? I don't think they call themselves the vision. No, there's still the vision. Oh, really?

SPEAKER_03: 1:02:17

Okay, they just kicked out the leader. Okay. But if the vision would have showed up, it just started it just wrecked everything and beat the fuck out of both of them, and the belt remained vacant. Vacant, that's that's how you do it.

SPEAKER_02: 1:02:33

That's how you do it. You know what? But because everybody was saying the fact that, you know, they feel like CM Punk earned it. And granted, they feel like also, even though CM Punk earned it, they don't they feel like he doesn't need it right now.

SPEAKER_03: 1:02:48

He doesn't. He doesn't. He doesn't need it, and even more so, he did not need to win it over Jay.

SPEAKER_02: 1:02:56

The thing about it is, is because CM Punk is reliable right now, to them. Again, to them, they feel like he's reliable, which on our reality, fans were really wanting Braun to just run that belt. Because like Braun would be the most believable motherfucker right now to do it.

SPEAKER_03: 1:03:15

Braun Breaker. Like, I feel like I don't know why they're waiting to pull the trigger on this man. Like, they should have. He should have been in that battle royal, he should have won, and then he should have came here, and with the help of Vision, he should have gotten the bell.

SPEAKER_02: 1:03:36

I I you know what I will admit, it took me a while to grow uh and get used to Braunbreaker. Because when he was in NXT, it was just like, yeah, he the dog, he's basically, you know, a Steiner, this, this, and that. But it took him being on Raw with um, no, I say Braun Strowman, um Bronson Reed, that I'm just like, okay, man, he is really growing on me as a character. And, you know, while we knew he was gonna be shot to the moon at somebody, at some point, it was like, oh shit, like y'all already just lit that bitch right now. Why don't y'all just set it off? Ah, nah, not yet.

SPEAKER_03: 1:04:18

Yeah, I feel, I mean, because I didn't I didn't care about him in NXT. I mean, yeah, I was really as a matter of fact, uh, the whole uh uh NXT 2.0 run, I I absolutely did not pay any attention to any of that. Jose. I didn't I didn't watch what the fuck is that nigga right now? He was kind of cool. I'm surprised that nigga ain't in TNA. He's probably playing around in the indies somewhere.

SPEAKER_02: 1:04:45

He definitely is, but I'm surprised he'd be totally a TNA person. He'd be a great TNA person.

SPEAKER_03: 1:04:49

Probably because he well, I don't know.

SPEAKER_02: 1:04:51

But like uh can you imagine him with a curry man?

SPEAKER_03: 1:04:57

When it comes to NXT 2.0, I didn't care and watch any of that. So I didn't I didn't really watch the brawn breaker rise. When it came to Raw finally, uh him having the Intercontinental title, I think kind of gave him some validity for the most part. But um when he dropped it and then joined the Vision, I feel as if like since he's been in the vision, he's been he's been it. And just with all the stuff that he's been doing, Paul Heyman being behind him, yes.

SPEAKER_02: 1:05:29

That also elevates it too.

SPEAKER_03: 1:05:31

I mean, we all know well Paul Heyman elevates all of Vision, but like but even with that, just the stuff that Braun has done since being a part of Vision. Yeah, killing Carlito. Exactly. Like, he's been having nothing but like fantastic super fantastic moments to the point where I feel like they literally did like, whoa, whoa, wait, wait, Bron, Bron, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on. Let let's let's let's just chill for a moment. Let's boost Brunson Reed up a little bit too, bro.

SPEAKER_02: 1:05:58

Like, let him get a little bit that's the thing, Bronson don't need it, man. The tsunami alone, the move alone is I would say it makes him over. Like, because when you see it, you're like, oh man, that die, bro.

SPEAKER_03: 1:06:12

I mean, I do agree. His the the tsunami is to me, the most protective move in WWE. So good. And the tsunami is so good, he had to come up with a secondary finisher to make the tsunami even more good. Yeah, he had to do a DVD. Like he literally, which honestly, him doing a death the Death Valley driver is in my top of like favorite finishers. He did do a clean one, yeah. But it's like, but like a dude like Brunson with the size, it makes the impact legit, and he does it good, and so it's like Brunson, for all intents and purposes, I do agree with you. He did not need the vision, but being part of the vision, and then what he has done up until this point, now that Braun did let him actually get a little spotlight, because Braun was taking up all that light, not even on purpose, it's just because he's Braun. But him having his thing with Roman and now beating pinning Roman, being the first person to pin Roman in five years, and yes, crazy. Well, technically Cody Penn, but yeah, he was yeah, he is the he is the second person to pin Roman in five years. Like that's which, as far as I'm concerned, that boosts him like crazy.

SPEAKER_02: 1:07:42

That's the equivalent of what Taker thought that, you know, giving Brock that moment when we know Brock didn't need that, because like where's Brock at with it now? But yeah, where is Brock? He's on the uh looking like apparently he's AI'd into that uh WrestleMania promo package. Everybody's saying he's a he was AI because his eyes were closed or some shit. They were saying that he looks like AI. Uh I have to see. Yeah, I mean, he does look he looks really weird.

SPEAKER_03: 1:08:11

Um I mean, I'm fine with these with him being gone. It's cool.

SPEAKER_02: 1:08:14

Yeah. But what I'm saying is, you know, everybody thought the equivalent of him being, you know, beating Taker would boost his streak. It's like, no, like what Taker thought that would do for Brock is what Roman did for Braun. Because that completely makes Braun in any way, shape, or form a fucking threat. Man, I can't tell you how much I love how some of these people be selling that motherfucking tsunami when punk gets it. Nick, that nigga folds.

SPEAKER_03: 1:08:45

Listen, hashtag protect your finish, bro. Protect your finish.

SPEAKER_02: 1:08:52

Yeah, WrestleMania was talking about that, too.

SPEAKER_03: 1:08:54

Y'all really gotta we gotta start protecting our finishes out here. Like, because the more we don't the less you have, in my opinion. Because like Cody Rhodes, Cody Rhodes and John Cena, their finishes are like the most unprotected things I have ever seen in my life.

SPEAKER_02: 1:09:16

Like nowadays, yeah, because Cena Cena used to hit you with AA with dust.

SPEAKER_03: 1:09:19

Uh uh uh an AA, as far as I'm concerned, is just a normal move. Yep. Nowadays. Cody Rhodes' crossroads, it's it's a it's a it's a signature. It it really is. If it I almost feel maybe you should make the no, because the cut.

SPEAKER_02: 1:09:35

I really feel like that too. I really feel like the WWE games kind of may have fucked this up more than anything. How? Because, you know, now we have the super moves where it's now your move, but it's supercharged. And Cody was definitely one of the first people that got that shit. So you you could do three crossroads as his super finisher, and with Romans, that shit makes sense. Roman does the Superman punch and he does the spear. That makes perfect sense.

SPEAKER_03: 1:10:03

But see, now the reason why I would uh counter saying that makes sense is because all that is is doing your signature move and then doing your finish. That's what that is.

SPEAKER_02: 1:10:22

What actually what is Cody's signature? Besides the Cody Cutter, but that's not even really a signature.

SPEAKER_03: 1:10:29

That that I believe would be his signature move, the Cody Cutter. Which means exactly, exactly.

SPEAKER_02: 1:10:40

Why don't you make the bionic elbow? Like take your dad's move and make it the signature, bro?

SPEAKER_03: 1:10:46

Because that has been watered down to being just a regular move for him.

SPEAKER_02: 1:10:50

If he could but but remember, in every situation, if it's a family member whose legacy is connected to it, it should be more powerful. To me. That's how I feel like it should be.

SPEAKER_03: 1:11:03

I mean, that would be great, but but that that's not the case.

SPEAKER_02: 1:11:07

Yeah, I know. Like I don't think he I don't think he wants to put enough ump in it, you know what I'm saying? Plus, he might not like attack finishers like you know some people.

SPEAKER_03: 1:11:16

Plus what was I gonna do? Well, I mean, uh for all intents and purposes, no. It's he just he doesn't use it for setup or anything. It's just it is a uh it's just a move set move, you know what I'm saying? That that's all it is for Cody. It's like maybe he does need to go dig deep and find a new signature in the city.

SPEAKER_02: 1:11:44

I feel like if he did the uh and then that person's like groggy on the floor, he's just like and he gets the crossroads. I feel like that'd be that'd be okay. Because it's two attacks to the head, and in game logic, you're doing damage to the head. So you can go from orange to red after doing the signature and the finisher. I'm just saying.

SPEAKER_03: 1:12:08

Sure. I'll let you have it. Why not?

SPEAKER_02: 1:12:11

Why not? Because that Cody cutter, man, not everybody could take that shit. What do you mean? I because there are a lot of people that either either I don't know if it's a Cody issue. I don't know if you ever noticed it. Some people when he he tries to do the cutie, the cutter, they don't position themselves the right way most of the time, and it kind of always looks like a botch move to me. Oh like the situation with Drew, it kind of looked like he almost did a deep six for a second, but it was still a Cody cutter, apparently. I mean, I actually kind of like the way that one looked. Yeah, that I mean, yeah, but technically, I thought it actually was a reversal, but it wasn't.

SPEAKER_03: 1:12:45

No, it was not. Yeah. I mean, I can see what you I can see, I can see what you mean with that, but at the same but like at the end of the day, when it comes to Cody and that whole for that whole bit, it's like his finisher has been so insequential. If he can find like maybe a second finisher, maybe it'd be fine. Shattered Dreams. He can't well, he can't do that.

SPEAKER_02: 1:13:13

That's his brother's move. And Gold Dust is a WWE product. Yeah, but he still does that at AEW, and that's his brother. We got niggas doing other niggas finishers in the fucking match. Come on, man.

SPEAKER_03: 1:13:28

Like, no, that's that's sure. Maybe uh you're really reaching right now. Like, you're trying so hard. There's nothing there.

SPEAKER_02: 1:13:43

Okay, so then like, okay, okay, okay. There's nothing there, bro. Okay. There's nothing there, then basically the nigga is whack. Literally.

SPEAKER_03: 1:13:51

For all intents and purposes, until he can figure out a way to make his finisher like more threatening, sure. I'll have I have to agree with that. And that's my guy. I love me some Cody Rhodes. But if it takes 17 crossroads to to get across the road to the other side and still have the belt, something's not working. Listen, remember when Roman Reigns was only doing the the the the punch? I remember I missed the guillotine. He used to do that shit, man. Maybe he's maybe he's trying to protect that. You know what? Anytime he's used it, he's won with it. Yeah. And I I don't know if he did it against Cody, but I mean, I don't remember. I don't think he has, but if he did, it would kind of make sense because Cody is such a main event player and all this other stuff. But it's like at the end of the day, if he locks that in, no one gets up from it. As a matter of fact, to show how protected it is, he did the the Paul Heyman. You saw how long he was out? Yeah. He was out for like a goddamn month. Yeah. So it's like Roger Race when he used to do the Superman punch. That used to be his finish. And it got to a point where he had to Superman punch a person against each rope of the fucking ring to possibly get them down. And then he started sparing niggas. And when he started spearing niggas, three counts each time. He went on to do his whole Roman Reigns run. And the punch got brought down to a signature. You punch him out, you do Superman punch, boom, wait for it. Ooh, spear. Finito. Okay. Cody Rhodes. When you got a crossroads of person and look at every corner of the ring, it's time to find something new, bro. It's time to find something new. It is.

SPEAKER_02: 1:15:55

It is definitely time to find something new. And we found something new with CM Punk being the new champion. And apparently, uh Jay Uso made an Instagram post where he said y'all win and he flipped off the audience.

SPEAKER_03: 1:16:11

That's whole.

SPEAKER_02: 1:16:12

It's a visual of him on the floor seeing Punk hold the belt, and he says, Y'all win, middle finger. That's great. Because yeah, he's been having he was on like raw recap, and he basically let people know like how he's been feeling about the you know IWC saying, like, yo, you're you're just a you're just an entrance. You're just this and that. He's like, I'm more than just an entrance. And he was finally just like letting out his fury. Um, and he's been just trying to like get back at the the haters. And I fucking even after the match, somebody, well, I think it was in the middle of the match, there's a point where Jay is walking by and somebody says something to him, and he wants to say, shut the fuck up, and you see his mouth move to shut up, but he doesn't say it loud.

SPEAKER_04: 1:16:56

Hmm.

SPEAKER_02: 1:16:57

Yeah. So yeah, Jay, Jay is uh, they're they're talking about potentially doing this heel turn, man, but I don't know. I feel like if they're gonna do it, how are they gonna do it? Because you could do you could do a man, I'm tired of seeing the internet type shit, but it's like when you go out in these audiences and all these kids are doing this, you know.

SPEAKER_03: 1:17:19

Uh hey, um that'd be great. That'd be something different. I have that a new palette of oose in my mouth, no, no pun intended. Like it's I would just prefer something different and something fucking new. Because right now, with Jay, I'm over it. I need him to be Usos. I don't I don't care about this anymore. Like, I uh I'm I'm I'm all yeet out. You know what I'm saying? I need him back into Usos. Well, at this point, that's not gonna happen either. They ain't buddy buddy friends no more. You know, he done done pissed off his brother and all this other stuff. But um, yeah, if if he does a heel turn, that's great. That's great because then he can just be super mean and pissed off oos. I wonder if his promos will be better if he does it. Like they don't have to be. They don't have to be better. You know, actually, he probably doesn't even talk. Exactly. If he just straight do mean shit, if he just out here, that's all he needs to do. If anything, him turning heel would probably protect him a bit. Really?

SPEAKER_02: 1:18:29

Because he's ass on the mic. I feel like if he just did the uh uh, like or something, like just just do your sound effects, but like that's it. Cause like just show you, like, show you like uh what's his name? Um the one of the tongas. Um he's like that motherfucking. Oh, please don't do that. Not like that, but I'm just saying, like, get get your your gutter out. Cause like he he's good when he gets the gutter out. It's just when he's trying to sound like a babyface, it's stupid. And I feel like maybe if he could heal it up, which I've noticed that I think raw and smack now has way too many heels and not enough baby faces. Uh see, I don't I can't at least at least red hot babyfaces like Cody and shit like that. Not even Sami Zayn is a babyface.

SPEAKER_03: 1:19:20

Sure. Red Hot babyfaces, absolutely. Red hot baby faces, aka top guys. Yes, yes, they're missing top guys, and that's because they're not building top guys, bro. That's the problem. They don't have those because they're not trying to make those.

SPEAKER_02: 1:19:38

Yeah, CM Punk's talk about retiring, AJ Styles retiring.

SPEAKER_03: 1:19:43

Like all the people who they could have as top guys, it's like either they're, as you said, they're on their way out, or they haven't done anything with them since they've come in. Look at Mello.

SPEAKER_02: 1:20:01

And I don't want you see that meme where it was dragged off with the water on the top of the water, and it's mellow and then Mello had to do had uh well that's the same.

SPEAKER_03: 1:20:13

No, the water one.

SPEAKER_02: 1:20:14

So you know the meme of the the kid that's in the pool with the parent and the kid that's drowning, oh, yeah. And then the skeleton of four. So it's dragonoff up here, and then you have uh mellow, and then you got Montez Ford in the water drowning.

SPEAKER_03: 1:20:28

So in that particular, like now, granted, that's actually a little bit of a different situation with Dragonoff, because he came in and got a belt fast, though. That's where we're that's the whole issue. So no, I I get that part. Yeah. The the thing that I was alluding to is just the fact of like, you know, the reason why I don't have any red hot baby faces is because as we all know, TKO is they are business people, okay? It's it's more uh is it's more big business in uh in suits than it is a wrestling business in WWE anymore. And the problem is, is the fact when you look at the main event and you see the people who are your top guys, these are people who have extremely well-established names and they have merch that is being selled and pushed through the roof. Okay. Now, the only person who kind of is a little weird in that particular spot would be uh LA Knight, because but I've heard the fact that, you know, through the grapevine, I've heard the fact that, you know, LA Knight has pissed people off at the top, and that's why his his growth has been stunted. But neither here nor there, the reason why we're having matches like Hunk versus Jay Uso is because those two people going up against each other and being in a match is what's best for business. These are the people who are selling, these are the people who are making TKO the absolute top dollar most money, getting the biggest eyes on the product. The reason why people like Braun and like why Braun Breaker isn't there is because yes, he's good. Yes, people are behind him, but he's not worth as much money as Jay and Punk. Now, maybe some things are gonna change once we get past this garbage John Cena moment here, and once he finally retires and we can move forward, that is one less money-grabbing name out of the way. So maybe someone like Amantes or one of these guys can maybe squeeze up into the top. But it's the fact that there are so many people who are big money names that these new guys, because their names aren't worth that much money or hasn't have that same money ring to it, we're not gonna see them up until the top until, for all intents and purposes, all these big money names just disappear.

SPEAKER_02: 1:23:06

Or if the wrestler doesn't disappear before, um, due to contracts and shit, which you know, Alex the Black, you wanted them, you know, again, Mellow's one of them, the the Street Profits is one of them. There's so many different talents, and you're wondering, would they be better anywhere else? Or should they just ride it out and hopefully do a co a Kofi Mania situation when you're in the company for 15 years and you finally get a title that's worth a damn. But the rain wasn't. Like, is it really worth it at that point? You know what I'm saying?

SPEAKER_03: 1:23:36

Like, you know, there's a there there's there's obviously a reason why uh black left AEW to come to WWE. Well, he wasn't getting work. Exactly. Yeah, but at the same time, for those exact same reasons, there's a reason why Andrade was trying so hard to the point that he was willing to just force himself to get fired to leave WWE.

SPEAKER_02: 1:24:01

I thought that was like a creative control thing. Well, creative thing, yes, but still I get what you mean. What no, what Andrade? Yeah, I thought it was like no, besides him like missing like the drug testing thing, but I thought it was he didn't like his direction. I mean, he probably didn't. Yeah. I mean uh uh uh uh uh Santo Escobar.

SPEAKER_03: 1:24:17

And because he listen, at Santos Escobar, he left because he didn't like where his his where his career was going. Yeah, but then he managed to, I guess, talk something into them where they figured out maybe we can try this instead.

SPEAKER_02: 1:24:31

Nah, them niggas didn't want him to go to AEW.

SPEAKER_03: 1:24:32

I mean, there is that part too.

SPEAKER_02: 1:24:34

That that is obviously a big deal, which I feel like honestly, he probably went with a TNA instead.

SPEAKER_03: 1:24:39

Listen, bro, let me put it this way. No, on the TNA, but if you went with the AEW, they probably would have done the exact same thing, which is funny to me. Andrade leaves WWE, okay, all that hoopla. Goes to AEW to what? Join the Don Kyle's family? That's what I'm saying. That's why I don't feel like Escobar would be okay and you know Escobar, if he leaves, either Don Kyles family or he's gonna go to Ring of Honor, where his other little Spanish homies are at.

SPEAKER_02: 1:25:13

That's what I'm saying. Him going to AEW to me, I'd be like, nah, man, just go to TNA, bro. At least, at least they do Ali. They do Ali justice over there. He's not a champion, but you know, he has a faction that, you know, at least works his faction, both his factions, never really was good. But I just feel like if he might even be in a in a program with Matt Santana. You know what I'm saying? I I see more of that in his future. Maybe even an X Division champion.

SPEAKER_03: 1:25:43

You saying about Matt Santana reminds me, I need to go and start watching NXT because uh Mr. Santana is another one of those. All right, y'all put the bell on him. I can't believe it. TNA. You mean TNA? Yeah, TNA. Yeah. I like it. I can't believe that shit either.

SPEAKER_02: 1:25:56

I don't I don't want to watch. Like here's the thing. I know we get we we need to go ahead and wrap up the Saturday Nights Man event. Let me wrap that up. We're gonna put a pin on this Mike Santana shit real quick. Uh overall, because I just I don't anyway. Um CM Punk wins the belt, Jey Uso loses. We end the show. The show overall, I say is a low B. You say it's a it's uh getting close to a high C, but not all the way there. Um, funny thing is normally we're getting these five match pay-per-views. We got a 4-1, but it is Saturday night's main event. It's not like a pay-per-view.

SPEAKER_03: 1:26:37

Yeah, sorry, it's not a pay, it's an event. It's supposed to be a show, really. It's like a nice show event. Like a raw. Like an like an extra episode of SmackDown.

SPEAKER_02: 1:26:46

Like an old back in the day raw. Time-wise.

SPEAKER_03: 1:26:53

Oh, well, yeah, time-wise. Two hours. You know what I'm saying? Just with less matches and and actually raw back in the day used to have like they used to have like at least four matches.

SPEAKER_02: 1:27:04

More than four matches. I'm talking about like the attitude area type shit.

SPEAKER_03: 1:27:07

Yeah, they had more than four matches. Yeah, but they still had back backstage segments that was. Yes, they had, and they had plenty of the this this show was all matches, no backstage anything.

SPEAKER_02: 1:27:16

Yeah, that's what I'm saying. But even with that, would what they did back in the day, they would still have these matches and still have like almost five matches in a show with backstage segments and still do it in two hours.

SPEAKER_03: 1:27:26

Yes, and it'd be crazy. And it'd be great.

SPEAKER_02: 1:27:28

It'd be great. Um, but yes, the show, Saturday Night's main event, was okay. Show. Do you have any final thoughts besides it being very predictable?

SPEAKER_03: 1:27:40

Nope. There's there's nothing more to say than like, all right, I saw this coming. Uh some of the ways that they uh uh uh presented it was kind of cool outside of that. Like, all right.

SPEAKER_02: 1:27:52

All right, so I got 15 minutes for Mike Santana. Bro, I don't believe you, my nigga. I don't, bro. I miss LAX. I miss Power and Glory. I know you and your partner were not cool. Great. I like your the name of your moves. I like the name of your moves. Spin the block, you know saying chalk him out, like all cool moves. You as a heavyweight champion, don't believe it. Don't believe it. You were a like what HOG House of Glory champion? Okay, unbelievable. Not TNA main champion. Uh nah. Trick, Trick Williams was even though he wasn't even on the show, he was a better champion. Am I wrong? Trick actually, we all know he's been getting good. He's been getting good. But uh if actually, I'm gonna ask you a question. If not Mike Santana, then who?

SPEAKER_03: 1:28:49

Um So depending when it comes to like the layout that they had, honestly, it's kind of funny that you say that because with the layout that they got right now, it's kind of hard to say.

SPEAKER_02: 1:29:04

Honestly, I would have probably picked uh um I would have picked, you know, this is gonna be controversial. I would have picked, and the only way it could happen was because of that title call your shot Kazarian. Kind of. Uh I would I would be okay with that because I couldn't he's a shitty, you know, he's a shitty ingredient, you know, heel. So he could be a transitional champion.

SPEAKER_03: 1:29:28

When it comes to if like to rewind with how everything had gone down, I would have actually given the title back to uh because just because of like how the storyline was and the way things were going, I would have gave the belt back to uh uh Joe Henry. That's what I would have. Well, I mean, he's getting ready to go to NXT. Well, he'd get ready, I think. Technically, he's already there. Yeah. But but but even with that, like I that's where I would have gone because Trump. Trick Williams and Joe Henry had this whole thing going on. And for all intents and purposes, every time Trick and Joe, Trick has not got a clean. Trick never beat Joe Henry clean type situation. So because of that bit, unless I missed something. So please correct me if I did. But from what I've seen, and I'm and I'm I'm pretty certain, Joe Henry has he lost that title and it was illegitimately lost type situation.

SPEAKER_02: 1:30:25

Isn't he also still recovering? Because he hasn't done a match, he's just done backstage segments. So that's a good question. Was it a shoulder injury or something like that?

SPEAKER_03: 1:30:33

I actually don't know. I missed that. If there was an injury of some sort. But like, yeah, I would have done Joe Henry getting the belt back. And then after Joe Henry getting the belt back, then figure out some TNA talent to come up and da da da. I'm looking at their roster in my brain right now.

SPEAKER_02: 1:30:53

And Elijah. No. I'm gonna keep it a buck fifty with you. I should never see Elijah with a heavyweight title. I should never.

SPEAKER_03: 1:31:06

What?

SPEAKER_02: 1:31:07

I should never. That's rude. I don't like his character. I appreciate his. I just don't like it. I don't like the character. Damn. That's crazy. I don't like the character. You know what I'm saying? The whole, like, I know with a walk Elijah, I understand his faith. I understand it has nothing to do with that. I just don't like the character. Maybe it's because I haven't seen the product of TNA and what he's done there.

SPEAKER_03: 1:31:36

Now I'll be honest, I have not seen what he's done in TNA myself. Even when he was in the but because when he was in WWE, that's the reason why. And it's basically the same character. But the pr so with the in WWE, like he because I don't think he ever did, but I feel as if he should have been intercontinental champion.

SPEAKER_02: 1:31:59

I would even give him that. Like give him a next division title or something like that.

SPEAKER_03: 1:32:02

And with the way that he wrestles, if they let when when they let him do his thing, like I would have at least had him, like in WWE, he is easily a main event jobber, bro. In WWE, he could have easily been a main event jobber, but they dicked around his character.

SPEAKER_02: 1:32:22

I think that might have been what has fucked it up for me, is because the presentation of how they dicked him around.

SPEAKER_03: 1:32:27

It's like it's like watching Chavo Carrero in WWE, and then when he was when he went the TNA, it was all like, I just can't believe Chavo Guerrero actually being good. Or no, no, no. It wasn't TNA. It was uh when he was in um uh uh the bit that I saw when he was in Lucha Underground.

SPEAKER_02: 1:32:46

Nah, he was he was he was an okay person. He I would never see him with a heavyweight title, but his character to me was better in Lucha than it had ever been anywhere else.

SPEAKER_03: 1:32:55

That's correct. And but but if you are someone in my shoes who had only watched him in WWE, yeah, yeah. And you know, that famous image of him uh defending his uh uh eat. No, no, that's that that one that is a part of it. That's a completely different person. I'm talking about when he was the ECW champion. No, no, no, no. That was Chavo, though. Once again, different person. Corin White is not Chavo Guerrero. Chavo Guerrero was the ECW champion, and Kane came out there at WrestleMania that I was at, made my night, fucking, and and Kane came to the ring, they rang the bell, he choke slammed him, and he pinned him one, two, three, and he lost the belt. Like, like, like jobber Chavo Guerrero and WWE.

SPEAKER_02: 1:33:43

Okay, but do you believe he should be having a decent match with Kane though?

SPEAKER_03: 1:33:49

When you look at how he was booked when he was with Eddie Guerrero, yes.

SPEAKER_02: 1:33:54

Okay, but again, with Eddie Guerrero, unfortunately it doesn't.

SPEAKER_03: 1:33:57

When he was booked with Eddie Guerrero, yes, of course. But with the thing, but going off of that though, right? Mm-hmm. Could you see that same person doing the shit that he was done in Lucha Underground?

SPEAKER_02: 1:34:13

Do you know how weird that looks? Honestly, because of Lucha Underground itself, and okay, he went his first match was against um Blue Demon. And that to me made sense because his whole gimmick was using a steel chair. You know what I'm saying? Like that was the whole thing. So, like the way they presented him there, it kind of made sense. Like, you have to use an item to be somewhat even you know able to win this match. A match against somewhere like Kane, no prep, no lie cheat, still, no nothing. I should not see Chavo have a decent match with him.

SPEAKER_03: 1:34:52

Should not. But the thing was, for me, it's just the fact that after that match, he proceeded to just have bad matches, losing two people who prior, it would make sense for him winning. Like when you see someone just losing and losing and losing and losing, and then you see them go to another company and then they start winning, that shit don't make sense. Yeah. I mean, like, Elijah, is he has he not been winning in TNA? Well, he's actually been hurt for the longest time.

SPEAKER_04: 1:35:21

Oh.

SPEAKER_03: 1:35:21

He's he uh he fucked up his uh bicep or something. But I did watch him, uh he had a title match with Joe Henry. I did watch that. Yes, but it was like, so from what I have seen, they've been you because once again, when I finally started really looking at TNA uh and was uh and was paying more close attention to it, uh Elijah had literally just got hurt at that point. So it's like I missed when he showed up type thing. But it's like they he is he's can he is in the main event spot in TNA. But I feel right now TNA is in this weird space where like it's real, like a lot of their main events are in these groups because like Mustafa Mustafa is for all intents and purposes in their main event spot. Moose is in the main event spot, but it's like NF. Yeah, Nick and them, but it's like they've just been in the well for Nick and his brother, they've been in the tag team.

SPEAKER_02: 1:36:22

Yeah, so that's why he's a but he's a he's a main event guy.

SPEAKER_03: 1:36:25

He is a main event guy, but he has went we all for all intents and purposes, the tag team is kind of sort of the mid-card. So he's been playing around the mid-card land and doing TikToks, you know, and doing that stuff. And it's like with the groups that these that have these head honchos in them, they're the groups are fighting each other, but the title is out of the picture, kind of thing. And so it's like because that happened, and and also because Trick has been the champion this whole time, it's really hard to pinpoint who is the TNA, you know, I'm just I'm title picture.

SPEAKER_02: 1:37:02

Like, I was thinking maybe even maybe Eric Young, maybe, but like But Eric Young right now He's losing.

SPEAKER_03: 1:37:09

Well, yes, and he's in a weird space of with kind of like a like he's trying to find direction. Yeah, I don't think he has a fact.

SPEAKER_02: 1:37:21

I thought he has like some sicko group or some shit like that.

SPEAKER_03: 1:37:23

He did, and I don't know what happened to that group.

SPEAKER_02: 1:37:27

Either way, uh TNA's product, you know. They're trying. Yeah, they're trying, they're trying, but like, yeah, Mike Santana, it's not you, bro. It's not you.

SPEAKER_03: 1:37:36

See, that's why I I I'm I'm going to make it a point to catch up on my TNA. Because at this point, I'm gonna have to I'm in a space where I'm like, all right, Mike Santana has to, I gotta watch him to see how he proves his worth of being a T.

SPEAKER_02: 1:37:49

Well, let's go. I might have to see uh TNA after Bound for Glory. Which was Bound for Glory, right?

SPEAKER_03: 1:37:56

The yes, the you're talking about the last pay per view. Yeah, that was Bound for Glory. Don't watch, don't watch that. Watch the next one because what they did, they did the which kind of like threw me off, which is the reason why I haven't gone back and watched TNA because after Bound for Glory, they didn't have an actual show. They had like one of those like uh review shows. Yeah, that completely threw me off too, bro. They haven't done that in years. I was so ready to watch TNA after Bound for Glory, and as soon as I turned that bitch on, I saw them dude stand there. I'm like, click. I'm gonna fucking stream, I'ma stream. I'ma get on my stream. Twitch, swag switcher. That's that's what I did. Oh my god. So I was just like, but yeah.

SPEAKER_02: 1:38:38

Any any other thoughts about this wacky week of wrestling before we end it all? Because uh there really isn't much stuff to talk about besides being angry, angry, angry for wrestling fans.

SPEAKER_03: 1:38:49

Uh that's that's straight. I I mean I will say we need to double check and make sure there's no pay-per-view next week. Please, God. Please, God. I need to break this. I need a break. Because if there is not, then we can absolutely actually sit down in a Giants, the Giants episode.

SPEAKER_02: 1:39:06

Oh the classic class, the wrestler classes.

SPEAKER_03: 1:39:10

That we'll put that in the parking lot brawl, because that's something that definitely needs to be talked about. But I think next week we should we should have a chance to just kind of talk about the foolishness that is just going on in general, with just because like I haven't we haven't been talking a whole lot specifically about AEW the product, just their pay-per-view, because the product is a oh I mean technically the product is the pay-per-view.

SPEAKER_02: 1:39:38

Yeah, but it's like I mean, yeah, you talk about the week the week stuff, but like it boiled everything does boil down to the pay per view. That's the reason why you're there.

SPEAKER_03: 1:39:45

Yeah, it well, like we've talked about what it has boiled down to without really having that good chance to touch on how stupid some of the things have happened, which is why we're boil like we still gotta talk about the whole, you know, how we got Mercedes Monet in uh in in uh with the in this tag in the tag team tournament. She is yeah, like there are things. Yeah, there are things that need to be discussed and talked about and obliged, but yeah.

SPEAKER_02: 1:40:20

No, no, no.

SPEAKER_03: 1:40:21

I just remember that. Yeah, no C nope, no, no, no, no. There's hopefully next week. We'll get to it. We'll get to it.

SPEAKER_02: 1:40:31

Well, as always, guys, the ring is sacred. The questions are always ruthless, but the destruction is guaranteed. It's Damasuku. It's your boy. Swaggs, what's in the book? I really don't want that.

SPEAKER_03: 1:40:49

See, not see it.

SPEAKER_02: 1:40:52

Guys, you have a good one. So next time, please go ahead, choke slam the like button, tombstone the subscribe button. We'll be seeing y'all next week. We're out. God, please don't let that happen. I swear to God, the chicken is that fucking dumb.