Ridge Holland and the Truths in Silence

The week pulled no punches—and neither do we. We start with the Ridge Holland saga and the steep cost of speaking out before a contract ends, then map the ripple effects across WWE’s backstage culture, non-competes, and why the modern indie scene can still be a bigger bag than you think. From there, we tackle the LA Knight paradox: massive crowd energy, main-event proximity, and a title picture jammed with names that keep him orbiting instead of landing.

We ask hard questions about the John Cena farewell tournament: what’s the actual stake beyond sentiment, and why does The Miz feel like the only one giving it weight? On the women’s side, we break down Jade Cargill’s presentation—look and aura are A+, but promos lag—plus the simple blueprint that could make her run undeniable. Then it’s AEW’s newest curveball: another belt, the National title, introduced with traveling-defense rhetoric and confusing lineage signals that step on NWA’s toes. Add a supersized Women’s Blood and Guts that dilutes its core feud, and you’ve got a company slipping on its own storytelling.

Finally, we head to Japan for a palate cleanser: Young Lions, finish protection, and why New Japan still feels like sport. Tanahashi’s Final Road “connection” match puts purpose back on the mat, and Okada vs Tanahashi as the farewell fight just makes sense. We unpack Musketeers and pillars across eras, how AEW mirrored that idea, and why foundation matters more than labels. If you’ve been craving clear stakes, protected finishers, and stories that breathe, this one’s for you.

Enjoy the ride, then tell us where you stand: is silence smarter than a viral post, should LA Knight’s time be now, and does a farewell tournament need real consequences to matter? If you’re into sharp takes with heart, hit follow, share with a friend, and leave a review to keep the conversation moving.

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Chapters

• 0:13 Setting The Stage: A Wacky Week
• 2:31 New Japan Lures And AEW Fatigue
• 2:51 The Ridge Holland Controversy
• 20:58 Contracts, Non-Competes, And The Indie Bag
• 28:22 LA Knight’s Ceiling And The Main Event Vortex
• 41:43 Cena’s Farewell Tournament And The Optics
• 50:55 Jade Cargill’s Reign, Promos, And Presentation
• 1:00:52 AEW’s New National Title And Belt Bloat
• 1:08:03 Women’s Blood And Guts: Star Power vs Story
• 1:16:46 Samoa Joe, Trios Chaos, And Booking Drift
• 1:25:06 Big E vs Powerhouse Hobbs: Style And Value
• 1:39:11 New Japan Deep Dive: Young Lions To Tanahashi’s Road
• 1:58:26 Sports vs Spectacle: Why Finishes Matter

Transcript

SPEAKER_00: 0:13

Welcome to another episode of the Big Brothers of Destruction podcast. It's Damasuku. It's your boy, Swag Switch in the building. And we are here with another wacky week of wrestling. And man, Swag. I'm gonna tell you this right now. I didn't watch I didn't watch Dynamite. Didn't watch Dynamite. Did not watch Dynamite. Man, it's it's getting that bad, right? No, no, no, no, no, no. I I've been spending more time with New Japan. I've been trying to do the thing like, so it's where you are you're watching uh uh dynamite. I am trying to watch New Japan to be like, okay, if we're gonna be the guys that cover it, I need to soften the blow of what's going on currently because 2017, 2019, all the way up to that point, I was die hard in New Japan. But then all of a sudden, pandemic changed, the butt, the title changed, and it was just like the heavyweight title looks like a toy now. Hmm, I I don't I don't like that. So it threw me off. And you know, people like Abuchi, Omega, Akata, all the people that made it hot around 17 through 19 are now in that horrible brand.

SPEAKER_02: 1:31

I'm kidding, they're not horrible, they're just bad booked AEW.

SPEAKER_00: 1:36

But, or just people like Nido, you know, like he's leaving the company because he could barely see. I mean, he's bad knees too. So it's just like a lot of the people that made it hot 2017 are not there or not popping. So the fire that New Japan had needed, it they're trying to find who's the new ace or who the new person is, and it's just really tough to watch it right now. So I'm trying to get back into it, and I will talk about it later with the most recent card that I watched uh just today. But let's go into this wacky week of wrestling.

SPEAKER_02: 2:12

That's fair enough. And don't worry, I I definitely caught uh I got I got that AEW. Please and thank you. And so, but uh before I get into that, some of these interesting things that some of the things that have been going on in this week that's just been it's it's kind of crazy. So, first off, I need to know how do you feel about this whole Ridge Holland situation?

SPEAKER_00: 2:39

See, okay, so here's the thing that WWE's not realizing is that with the the the rage that is social media, social media is getting to the point where before with Daniel Bryan, yeah, saying the yes chant was the equivalent of the social media dislike button. We have now seen in recent you know years that the IWC is getting very powerful and it is speaking its voice and it's it's it's really pissing off Hunter. We have seen it through Jay Uso, and we are now also seeing it with Rich Holland. There is a lot of controversy with the Rich Holland situation. Obviously, to some, he is the person who ruined who ended uh Biggie's career, and now you have to sympathize with him as a human who has three kids and a wife to take care of, just a whole family to take care of. But again, he is the person who ended Big E's career. Very mixed feelings with the uh the IWC, and it's really weird. I honestly feel like him speaking out to the fact of like, yo, man, I went out on behalf of WWE and I got injured, and you guys are you know releasing me or you know, whatever they did in my contract, and him voicing that opinion got him fired. That's kind of shitty. But you know, I'm also a company man, so I know when to shut the fuck up. So, but in a situation that is his, it's a little bit different. If he did not have mouth to feed, I could kind of get a little angry too. You are also a dad, so I'm gonna ask your opinion on this too. But a part of me says, nigga, I would have just shut the fuck up, and I would have went to to Hunter and be like, yo, bro, like, come on, like doing something.

SPEAKER_02: 4:35

See, that's that's the part right there that that because I'm a hundred percent with you on that, and it's like company man or not, and I feel as if this is what's getting a lot of people in trouble these days. And because, like, you know, we're so as a society to a certain degree, we are so quick to want to jump on the internet and give our and and and and let go our grievances, yes, very quick. And because we're so quick to want to do that, sometimes you go out there and you say some stuff without really processing the thought. A good example of that. Remember when Corey Graves had to go, was made to go back to NXT for saying his comments about um and then he and when he had when he was told he had to go back to NXT to do commentating, he went on the internet and uh and and acted a goddamn fool. Yes. Not realizing the full extent of what was going on. He over here thinking he's getting demoralized. It's like, no, we just need you to go over here. Nigga, shut the fuck up.

SPEAKER_00: 5:57

Like you're still employed, bro. It's like, like, it's like, okay, are you that high and mighty of yourself that you can't like do a do a service to the place that made you who you are, by the way. You made a name in NXT, you became a commentator in NXT, and especially with WWE, you got injured, right? They could have just said, fuck off with you. They could have rich Harland. They could have rich Harland your ass. They could have rich Harland your ass. But you became a commentator, you made something of yourself. Honestly, Rich Holland, why didn't you look at Corey Gray's situation, bro? Like, bro, oh my god.

SPEAKER_02: 6:40

Like, it's it's funny. It's a double-edged sword. It's weird. I don't, and it's like, I don't know. It feels like, well, I mean, everybody else goes on the internet and says something. That's what it was. So maybe I, if I go out here and say something, it'll move some shit. He thought he thought he had R-Truth uh love. Yeah, and instead. Oh fuck, yeah.

SPEAKER_00: 7:03

Because R-Truth didn't even do shit. It was just the internet did it. You know what? R-Truth, as a nigga, we know to shut the fuck up sometimes and let people speak for us. And that's what it was.

SPEAKER_02: 7:15

And when he got let go, he just he was just all like, hey, it's been good, you know, and it's my time to go, type thing. Now, on the back end, he did, he did say the fact that he was upset about it. Yeah, but like he didn't voice that to the internet. No, he he kept that inside, you know, and it's like that He would have been good in the end of these two. Yeah, he would have been good if he really had T in the street. But like on the other side of this though, I do it's like it almost brings me back to a little bit of the Andrade situation because like they I think what was the issue for him and what made this so bad for Ridge is the fact that they said we're going to release you. So he wasn't released yet. I think that was like at the end of this month or towards the end of this month was when he would have been released. So pretty much his contract would have gone up. Yeah. And it's not like he was fired or anything, so I don't think he would have had to worry about like a non-compete clause or any of those things. It was just like, well, contract's done, and we're just gonna move on. Yeah. Kind of thing. I mean, and because he did this, he has now screwed up his he he he fucked up the bag. Yes, because now he, you know, with the the contract, it's the you know, you're not supposed to talk down about your you know the company that you're working for.

SPEAKER_00: 8:46

I mean, that's in every company's fucking book. Don't talk bad about the company you're working for.

SPEAKER_02: 8:51

Yes, and uh he was he's he was going to be released, he's not done yet. He's still on contract, he was still employed at that time, at that time, like at that time, yeah. Because now they said, oh, you want to talk shit? Bye, nigga. Bye. Bye, fired, fired, and it's like, oh, bro. Just sometimes you just gotta you just gotta shut up, you know.

SPEAKER_03: 9:16

I mean, literally that.

SPEAKER_00: 9:19

I mean, even even Rajah Jackson realized, you know, I fucked up. And uh I know I'm not comparing it to, but because what Rich Holland did was wild, but like even in situations of controversy, just be quiet. Sometimes if you just be quiet, be quiet, handle it on the back end, yeah.

SPEAKER_02: 9:36

It's not everybody's business. No, it's not, like, you know, like and then and then when you are clear and when the dust is selling, everything's good, sure. Then you can talk your shit. Yeah, like if that is absolutely necessary. Like, why didn't you wait until after? Yeah, like if you if you cannot, what's the wrong way? If you can't, if it's something that can't get fixed, let that shit ride out, wait till everything is good, and then talk your shit.

SPEAKER_00: 10:06

Yeah. I I mean that would have been the way to go, because I mean, now he's probably never going to be employed by them ever again. And he will be an indie wrestler probably for a while. Um, because WWE does not take likely to people talking about them on like press or anything. So, like, you know, Lord knows, fucking, and it's one of those things where it's like, sure, it looks bad on WW.

SPEAKER_02: 10:35

It looks really bad. Nuclear, nuclear. The optics looks really bad, and we like look at the whole uh what's the word like the like the full landscape of it all.

SPEAKER_00: 10:46

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02: 10:46

But at the same time, and this kind of goes with the whole thing with Andrade, contract is a contract, therefore, it is indeed contract. What's on that contract, you have to follow those rules, otherwise your employer can do whatever. Now, if you don't like it, sure. Try and sue them if you want to. See where that gets you. Andrade, we're looking at you. You gonna are you are you gonna sit that year? You're gonna take that year.

SPEAKER_00: 11:20

Aaron Bischoff said he actually, I think it was Airbischoff or who? I can't remember. But Airbischoff says he could win, but you got a lot of money you putting down for lawyers, fees, and courts. So it's like, is it worth it to take him to court and probably spend almost half a um, I think it was like half a million, maybe?

SPEAKER_02: 11:40

I I didn't see. I haven't seen that. I have seen where other like David David O'Toole. David O'Tonga, yeah, David O'Tonga's. He talked about that. And so like, yeah, he can take him to court and he'd probably win. He he probably most likely will win because they probably look at that and be all like, WWE, you can't make a man not work for uh uh uh 365 days. Kind of, you know, it's like you can't for you can't you can't invoke that.

SPEAKER_00: 12:10

But also work, I mean, like, could he give could he be a normal civilian and work like a normal job? Yeah, he could okay. I was a high he's just banned from wrestling.

SPEAKER_02: 12:21

Okay, so yeah, yeah, yeah. So like he is like the way that it kind of goes, like, so if Andrade had like his own business in the back end, he could still run his business or his businesses, but like when it comes to like performing, like he can't go to AEW or like whatever indie, you know, and I do think it's also from what I heard, uh don't quote me on it, but I do think like if it's like, you know, if he's going like fully out of the country, he might be able to still do then go to New Japan, go to Noah. Like, but like, but I think uh but as far as like like within like you know US stuff and everything like that, I don't think I don't think he can I know he definitely cannot do that because that's because that just that's what all goes to the whole non-compete thing. But like, but yeah, like for Ridge Holland, bro, like it sucks, but at the same time, you you kind of you screwed yourself.

SPEAKER_00: 13:22

Good news though, he did make a GoFundMe, and he has gotten at least almost he's gotten at least, I think,$8,000 in the proceeds right now. Uh people from W, which is crazy too. People from WWE have uh supported and put money down. Even people like Chelsea Green have made posts about it, but then Chelsea Green removed the post. So people are wondering if WWE is trying to silence talent from voicing the situation with Rich Holland. So that's a very interesting thing. Of course they probably would. But that's the thing. If that is true, that isn't it that that's when it's nuclear bad for WWE. So um, you know, it it could the thing about it is, you know, since Jesse Ventura years ago has been wanting to create the union for wrestlers, and Hulk Hogan being the one that was like, nah, brother, that doesn't help me out. Um this this could be the start or evolution of something like that if it gets as nuclear as it does. That you know, wrestler strikes and shit like that.

SPEAKER_02: 14:24

No. But but there is that whole thing of cause it's like because I from what I understand is like from the reasons why I know Hulk Hogan was not going with it, is like it's that whole aspect of like, okay, this is probably a really good thing for the boys, but it's gonna fuck with my bag.

SPEAKER_01: 14:51

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02: 14:51

And that's and and when it comes down to it, nobody is trying to screw over their bag. No matter for nobody. Which one unless it benefits them, unless it benefits your bag, no one's gonna make a real budge on it.

SPEAKER_00: 15:11

You know, and it and it's interesting because I we I know we had the conversation about it too, and some people being like, you know, at the end of the day, Hogan was a petrol, he was a he was a bag chaser. You know what I'm saying? If you think about it, he he was a bag chaser.

SPEAKER_02: 15:24

But he is that yeah, he he is he is a bag chaser through and through. Fuck everybody else. I'm gonna get mine and I'm gonna feed my table.

SPEAKER_00: 15:35

But uh for the whole Ridge Holland situation in a nutshell, it's unfortunate. I think you should have shut the fuck up at least until after your contract where you can slander them all you want to. I mean, Killer Cross even made uh he had an interview where he was talking about like, guys, we are making money in the indie circuit right now, like way more than we ever did at with WWE. He was talking about, bro, just not just the indie shows, but getting toys made of you, uh, people making independent wrestling games, you know, and wanting to feature independent wrestlers like himself. It's like there's so much opportunity for money out here. And Matt Cardone is even said it himself, bro, he's made more money he's ever had in the indies and in WWE. The motherfucker came out to a DeLorean, my guy. DeLorean. You definitely wouldn't do that in WWE.

SPEAKER_02: 16:27

It's one of those things where it's if you have if you know how to move, and you have the right wits about you to get what you're trying to get to, you'll be fine out there.

SPEAKER_00: 16:46

I feel like also getting to WWE and then being released, the bag is incredible because back in the day your only options was Ring of Honor and TNA, but now you got you know GCW, you got our um House of Glory, you got MLW, and all these people are wanting to book you. I mean, I can't tell you how many times I've seen Shortsey, uh Shortsy, Shotzi. Shotzi, excuse me, I don't say Shotzi. Um Shotzi, I can't tell you how many times I've seen her in promotions, and I'm like, I mean, she's hot. But I I saw one match with her with a rookie, and the rookie was better than her. And I'm just like, okay, I I guess, but she's she's making money.

SPEAKER_02: 17:33

Listen, she's making the money, she's making the bookings, and I can easily say, you know, which is one of those things where it's like being a wrestler and just being able to set foot and be seen in WWE for whatever time period, it explodes. It's going, it does numbers for you. Like with Karrion Cross and Ogir, right? Like, which I was which we're gonna I'm gonna bring them up again later on. But it's like with those guys, like the last little bit of time they was doing a WWE, like, they for all intents and purposes, they got everything they needed out of WWE.

SPEAKER_00: 18:15

Especially after that that uh promo that Cross did. That promo that Cross did literally was like, okay, when he's out, GCW, like all the all those booking.

SPEAKER_02: 18:27

And it's like he got he got everything he needed to literally catapult him. So like once they said, like, yeah, we're done here, kind of thing, though they wanted to go back to WWE, because I it's one of those things like I feel when you're in the indies, you do have to work just to smidge it harder. Just to smidge it. I mean, they have a style, yeah. It's like you gotta work a little bit harder and you kind of have to do a little extra grinding because some of that grinding WWE does for you in the back end, where all you gotta worry about is just just the main creative stuff, but now you're doing all of that stuff that's in the back end and your little bit of creative stuff.

SPEAKER_00: 19:10

Yeah, I mean, uh Scarlett, by the way, uh she was saying how much, you know, you can monetize your Instagram videos, monetize your Facebook videos, your YouTube videos. It's like, yeah, every day is a grind for an independent wrestler. You can't really take any days off, you have to be on Twitter every day. So, but like if you're doing it the right way, your bag is is tremendous, you know?

SPEAKER_01: 19:35

Exactly.

SPEAKER_00: 19:36

So it it's crazy. But all that to say, Ridge Holland, man, you know.

SPEAKER_02: 19:42

Keep your head up, bro.

SPEAKER_00: 19:43

Keep your head up, man. I you know, you again, a father of three and a wife to take care of. I can understand as a man who has, you know, his own wife to take care of, and I think about these options all the time, and then you having your own kids, you you will also be pissed off if something like this happened. But we also know we would not handle it at the extremes that they did, only hoping that social media would defend him, and it did not work the way he wanted it to, and now he got egg in his face, so it's unfortunate.

SPEAKER_02: 20:13

He really did. Like, not only did like the people, the fans freaking backlash on his ass.

SPEAKER_00: 20:21

Giving him death threats already from Big E situation, which is crazy.

SPEAKER_02: 20:26

Mm-hmm. It messed up, but then WW is like, okay, talk shit, get hit. You're out of here. Talk shit, get hit. Damn, boy. Anyway. This actually kind of rolls into the other thing I'll probably or bring up. Is uh the fuck's going on with LA Knight right now, dog?

SPEAKER_00: 20:46

Yo, did you see that post I gave you? I can't remember the guy's name, but he did scenarios. He did this for both Drew and um him. Oh, let me freaking uh I gotta say his name. I love his content, and I I would do him an injustice by not saying his actual name. Um let me see if I can find it. I know you liked it. I think you liked it recently. But what he did was he basically made content. Okay, yeah, here you go. It's uh Mikalai Kelly. Um I think it's Mikolai Kelly. Uh oh yeah, okay.

SPEAKER_02: 21:25

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00: 21:25

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah. Um, I'll put him on the screen. I'm my apologies, dudes. I'm probably mispronouncing your name. It's dyslexia. No, I know exactly what's going on. Malik. Malik Kelly. There you go. That's what it's Malik Kelly. You know what that Malik Kelly.

SPEAKER_02: 21:38

Well, you said Malik, and then I thought, like, damn, Mikalai. Yeah, that's what I said.

SPEAKER_00: 21:43

I said I'm terrible. But Malik Kelly, he made a video basically of like every scenario where it was LA Knight in a match where it was like, okay, so LA Knight should win, right? He comes in, hey guys, you know what's up with this match? Oh, LA Knight, you're not winning. It's not the time. It's okay. Maybe the next one. And then like every scenario, it's just LA Knight's like, my winning, right?

SPEAKER_02: 22:04

All right, school. Bro, that that video hurt me. So I've heard through the grapevine, and this actually is way before a lot of stuff recently happened, but like I have heard through the grapevine, through through this, through the great wrestling vine of grapes, that he does kind of sort of have a little bit of heat backstage.

SPEAKER_00: 22:31

If you're talking about the sign scenario, a pretty good- not even this was this is before the signs show. Okay, okay.

SPEAKER_02: 22:37

Now, granted, one could speculate the fact that that did not help his case. He out here pulling Velveteen Dream kind of stunts.

SPEAKER_00: 22:47

Well, I mean, again, the sign situation is funny because they put up his name right when it happened. So I get looks whatever.

SPEAKER_02: 22:58

Yeah, they try like as if they were trying to block it.

SPEAKER_00: 23:00

Yeah, I mean, that's what everybody's saying, but it was just like it was perfect timing. But either way, it's like you're pandering to the audience. The audience is is loves you, and you're just pointing it out. I mean, it's just like how Jay Uso did.

SPEAKER_02: 23:13

So the thing that I've I've heard before, because like I said, now this information I've heard a while back. And that's the fact that like they don't they have not pulled the trigger on LA Night because I guess, which I can't blame him for being this way, and I can I guess I get why they would think that, but it's like they don't want to, they they're not pushing him the way that they want, because I guess there's they feel as if he's too arrogant or something.

SPEAKER_00: 23:44

So he's Austin 2.0. But they don't want to push him.

SPEAKER_02: 23:50

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00: 23:51

We've we've definitely seen that.

SPEAKER_02: 23:52

And it's like one of those situations where I I feel like he's in this, he's in this weird space where it's all. A main event jobber? Well, no, that's what he is. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. No, he's absolutely a main event jobber right now. Yeah. It's like, you know, he's in the main event. He does, he fights main event players, and sometimes he will win, but he's not getting he but he's not being given the events.

SPEAKER_00: 24:16

He's not given the big ones, he's not big match John.

SPEAKER_02: 24:20

No. Big match John. But like JVL, bro. But uh it's it for me, I feel as if it's unfortunate, and with where we're at right now with LA Knight, it's like I don't think, and it hurts me to say this, but it's like with the way that the landscape is, unless he wants to stick around for at least another year and a half or two, it's not gonna be his time until that time frame.

SPEAKER_00: 24:59

I don't think it's gonna be his time as long as Cody, Drew, Orton, who else we got here? Who else is who else is in that vortex of always being in the title picture? Uh Jey Uso, Punk, Seth, any of those people that's in the top, like he's not winning a match over them and getting that belt.

SPEAKER_02: 25:26

Now, I will say, I feel like we're almost done with Jay Uso. I mean, we as an audience are done with him. WWE's not. But like, I think they're almost done with Jay being in that particular spot. Like, this last bit that he had with Punk, I feel is gonna be his last bit of really dealing with that with the heavyweight title. Like, I feel as if he's probably going to do a very quiet diagonal slide to the tag division where he belongs.

SPEAKER_00: 26:06

I wish. Because damn it, Jimmy, you don't deserve this right now. At least give him a chance to big us so before his child comes, he got extra bread.

SPEAKER_02: 26:17

When you look please, when you look at Raw that we just had, right? Um Jay is going is about to be very quietly and slowly just to the mid-card, which is where his brother's at. And I feel where have you seen Jimmy, honestly? Where where is he? I mean, he's he's he just well, he's got he just got done getting his ass beat by Drew, you know, because what uh barely anywhere, right? Well, well, he also got some pregnant woman at home, you know what I'm saying? He's gotta take he's gotta take care of the real moneymaker. Wow. Uh I mean he's not lying.

SPEAKER_00: 27:10

But but god damn it. No, Jimmy, Jimmy is the real oos, okay? He is Jimmy is the real oosse, the real main event, and the and the he was the wrong oos. Jay was the wrong oos. Jimmy was the real one.

SPEAKER_02: 27:27

Anyway, it should have been Big Jim. It should be unfortunate.

SPEAKER_00: 27:30

Big Jim would have been like such a fucking good uh uh uh Slim Jim ad. Like, why the fuck do you even got Jay in there? And Jim has Jim in his name.

SPEAKER_02: 27:41

Listen, what do you think what the the what it boils down to it's the whole right place, right time. Bro, the reason why we got the oos we got as opposed to the oost we want is because the oos we got was healthy and ready to go. Because, you know, Jim was hurt for a while. Like he had like a whole, he had a whole ass neck injury.

SPEAKER_00: 28:11

I'm still trying to fathom the idea that LA Knight and Jay Uso did these Slim Jim ads, and we got Jim Jimmy Uso, Big Jim. Bro, that sells itself.

SPEAKER_02: 28:25

Once again, it's just because it's just the Jim Big Jim had a busted neck.

SPEAKER_00: 28:33

He snapped into a slim fan.

SPEAKER_01: 28:44

He's mad for the job.

SPEAKER_00: 28:52

Double untoges. Double untogers. Anyway, go ahead, go ahead and tell you the story.

SPEAKER_02: 29:03

This John Cena tournament. Oh my god. Number one through, in my opinion. Not even looking at who's gonna be in it, but just this whole process. Alright. I'm over it. I know you're over the whole drama season thing. I already know that. And the and the fact that we're having this tournament, even more so, just solidifies how over this process that I am. When you look at who we got lined up for the tournament so far, I'm just like at what point should I start feeling like I'm being entertained by this process? At what point should I Should I actually give a damn about this tournament?

SPEAKER_00: 30:03

We have also who the fuck, you know, you know, I'm just gonna say this real quick. John Cole, who the fucker you to be the only person in WWE history where an entire tournament is based on who is the last person to fight you, bro. Kurt Angle didn't get that, Hunter didn't get that, Taker damn sure didn't get that, Austin get nobody. How are you the one motherfucker? Come on, bro.

SPEAKER_02: 30:34

Listen, it's the John Cena glaze is so thick. Paul whoa, yeah.

SPEAKER_00: 30:48

Yeah, it is.

SPEAKER_03: 30:50

Jesus Christ, bro. What the fuck?

SPEAKER_02: 30:57

Okay. It's a very thick layer of glaze, bro. It's uh laying it on thick. Laying it. Oh my god. All right. Uh with the way that it's kind of being done, it it in my opinion, it's more splattered.

SPEAKER_00: 31:17

Just like honey bun. Like you talking about glaze, like honey bun glaze? Dripping.

SPEAKER_01: 31:27

Busting.

SPEAKER_00: 31:33

All right, we get to the fucking point, bro.

SPEAKER_02: 31:52

The problem is there's no point.

SPEAKER_00: 31:55

There is no point.

SPEAKER_02: 31:58

It's just like we're here. Now I have to give it to the Miz because the Miz, as much as people don't want to give him the credit for, he is awesome. Okay? All this shit's going on. And The Miz is the only person who has actually at least kind of made me. It's almost as if like the Miz came on TV and was like, hey, let me give you guys a reason why you should actually kind of care about this. And on SmackDown, the promo that he did.

SPEAKER_00: 32:41

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02: 32:43

That's why we need the Miz around these parts. Okay.

unknown: 32:47

Okay.

SPEAKER_00: 32:47

I thought you were, I was like, I don't mean out of all people who are in the tournament currently, to my knowledge, have actually went to get Cena in some like like real feud. Um, besides like Shane, I think Seamus.

SPEAKER_02: 33:03

Um has had a feud.

SPEAKER_00: 33:12

I'm trying to remember the rest of who is all um in there right now.

SPEAKER_02: 33:15

Uh well, Damian Priest has had nothing to do with John Cena, really. Um and then Shinsuke Nakamura has never had anything to do with John Cena.

SPEAKER_00: 33:24

Can you imagine?

unknown: 33:26

No.

SPEAKER_02: 33:26

Damian Priest being his I cannot imagine Damian Priest having anything to do with any of that.

SPEAKER_00: 33:34

This is nothing against Damian Priest, because you are an amazing wrestler. Cool dude. You are a bisexual undertaker. Um, but like how are you gonna call him cool dude and then fucking so?

SPEAKER_02: 33:47

That's what the internet called him the same breath.

SPEAKER_00: 33:50

That's what the internet called him, bisexual undertaker, bro.

SPEAKER_02: 33:54

Does not mean that respect. I mean, look, it is I mean uh bisexual under that is not a pro in dear bro, bro.

SPEAKER_00: 34:02

In my community it is. Oh my community it is. Please finish your talk. But nah, at the same time, I just don't I don't feel like it definitely should be that uh Damien Priest. Should be Roos. If if it was old Russif, maybe. Because you can give it the old, you know, US, you know, Russia thing or whatever.

SPEAKER_02: 34:27

Well, it's it as of right now with what we've got, right? With the what we got with this tournament is a whole bunch of I I don't give a fuck right now. I mean, yeah, because I don't it's like the Miz is gonna be in a tournament and we don't know who he's facing. But like with the Miz, at least the Miz has come on and like at le bro, don't even. But at least he's come on to the show and gave some type of a like a reason for why he would even want to fight for such a thing. You know what I'm saying? Because it's like, number one, to have a tournament, to fight somebody who's got no title history, no, no real anything going for him right now outside of the fact that he's this is his final time wrestling, but it's like to have a tournament to see who is gonna be his last opponent. Like, to me, it's like number one, like I said earlier, way too much glaze. All right, and then it's it but then it's like you beat him, what's that doing for you right now?

SPEAKER_00: 35:42

Because it's not like who wins is gonna get a title match, it's the equivalent of what Brock Lesnar beating the Undertaker. It boosts up your streams, it boosts up your momentum because you took out you know the best, the greatest of all time. That's how that's how they're booking it. Jesus Christ. Talking like a uh WWE creative. No, no, that's just no which is okay.

SPEAKER_02: 36:12

So the other thing was At least with the Undertaker and Brock Lesnar thing leading into this, and then even after, there was a story going into this.

SPEAKER_00: 36:24

The thing I've heard is that Cena's supposed to beat uh Dom and be and win the IC title, so let alone is Cena's career on the see that whole rumor with Dominic Mysterio and the title, and like number one, if they actually go through all that, that's it's the belt that Cena never wore. That's stupid. It's absolutely stupid. Could you imagine an intercontinental world? Uh uh.

SPEAKER_02: 36:53

And it's like, and then like I see title to give John Cena Icy title and then for him to face someone and they take the title from him kind of thing. He would be a transitional champion. Yes, he would be.

unknown: 37:04

Oh shit.

SPEAKER_02: 37:05

Yes, that that what what that look like?

SPEAKER_00: 37:08

It looks like garbage. Basuda. I mean, straight up trubbish. I mean, we getting basuta out of the situation regardless. I'm I mean, we've been getting basuta ever since WrestleMania. So now it's just the difference of are we getting basuta with no title or basuda with title?

SPEAKER_02: 37:28

You know what is basuta as well? What? To get off the whole John Cena talk? I now granted, I understand that it's very early, but I am not feeling Jade Gargill with this title right now.

SPEAKER_00: 37:46

Nobody does, bro. I am the the promo alone should have told you, um that bitch. And that's and that you all you did, you came down to the ring and said, I just want to let all the ladies know, bro. Her music barely stopped playing. Nope. No. I think WWE understood that her promo game is she's literally in this is no knock to you, Jay. There's no knock to you. I think it's just mainly because Creative is doesn't know how to write you. They don't know how to write a promo for you. They they need to make her like a Goldberg, bro. Come out there and say who's next, man. That's it. Because promo game, I have I have yet to see a promo for her that moved me. Like a Naomi. Like a, and I know you're gonna hate me for this, like a Backy. Um, like a definitely one of Valkyrie. Valkyrie's promos don't move nobody. Now moves you to the the shack gif.

SPEAKER_02: 38:50

Now to to to to your to your uh to to what you're saying, right? Um like because you saying that reminded me. I'll have I have to give it to Becky. Crash Out Becky on Monday Night Raw was hilarious.

SPEAKER_00: 39:13

I was gonna say, like, as a heel, like she may not be the best in the ring, but she gets you at least hating her. She gets you at least to be like, man, she somebody beat this bitch ass.

SPEAKER_02: 39:26

She she is doing her heel job. When she fam, when she came out, it's like shut up, Joe Tessator shit. When she came out there and told that man to shut up, and she starts going in and talking all this shit and everything, like and then we turn around and we look at the WWE women's champion. Jade Cargill. And she just comes out there's like, hey, I'm putting the locker room on notice. Y'all gonna recognize I'm that bitch, and she leaves. And then she proceeds to go backstage and starts throwing her weight around like she did some shit. Like she did something.

SPEAKER_00: 40:06

She just holds the belt. That's it. And she and I don't like how she holds the belt. I just it just flimsy, like, you know, everybody has a unique way of holding belts.

SPEAKER_02: 40:17

It might still be too early, but like right now, I I don't I don't like where we're going with this.

SPEAKER_00: 40:25

I feel like her reign is gonna be where her matches will have to be the things that speak for her. And they won't.

SPEAKER_02: 40:32

I mean that, but that's the thing that's gonna have to. They're making so like Jade, they're making her seem like this big bad tough girl type thing, right? Like, you know, like she to me, now granted, she's got the look of it, but it's like to me, she she's still coming off way too fake. When she was when she was being good girl, Jade, you know, the storm and all this other stuff, like she was trying way too hard to be this superhero. Yeah. And she and it just didn't come off right. Now she's like supposed to be this big bad wearing the spike titties bra and whatever, and you know me. Ugh, uh, you know. How you how you get Jade? That's that because that's how she's carrying so I'm I'm I'm the bad, I'm big bad girl right now. It's like it, it's it's coming off way too fake. Like, goddamn, give me the real Jade Cargo, you know what I'm saying?

SPEAKER_00: 41:37

And what pray Pre would that be?

SPEAKER_02: 41:40

The the second longest running uh TBS champion on AEW again.

SPEAKER_00: 41:47

She had lackeys behind her who made her exactly give me that get to me for favor. It has to be Julia and whoever that other uh forgot what her name is. Um and I'm so sorry. I cannot remember your name right now. It's okay, but Julia, Julia just lost the belt, so it has to be Julia and in her in her you know manager.

SPEAKER_02: 42:12

I mean, listen, you actually, I'm glad you brought that up because that was where I was going to go with this.

SPEAKER_00: 42:19

Julia, she's free now. She is she can a 180 down rain and only defended the title on TV one time.

SPEAKER_02: 42:29

What hurts me though, because like Chelsea Green, number one, should not have she shouldn't have lost the tile in the first place.

SPEAKER_00: 42:39

Let me let me just she she throw that out. She won the U.S. tile wearing Mexico's colors. Listen, what her and and and Ethan Page are doing right now, pure gold.

SPEAKER_02: 42:52

Pure gold, pure gold, absolute cinema, pure fucking gold. They are so good together right now. I I love everything that they're doing.

SPEAKER_00: 43:02

The cream the cream pot thing was crazy though.

SPEAKER_02: 43:07

This is that I have never listened like Chelsea Green. I'm glad she had I'm glad she has the US title. I just hate that it had to be at the expense of Julia. Yeah, because Julia doesn't deserve it. Julia doesn't deserve it. She does not deserve the treatment that she like, and it's so funny because it's all like Stephanie Valkyrie. And then Julia. That's where it used to. They were both up here. Yes. But they were all like. We kind of like Stephanie's accent a little bit better, so uh, we're just gonna No, it Hunter Hunter is enjoying that ass.

SPEAKER_00: 43:54

I mean he's enjoying that. I mean, you saw them photos of him and his face, and oh my god, with him looking at step, bro. Them them photos is that's bad evidence. Like the bad evidence of like Hunter, bro, favoritism and shit.

SPEAKER_02: 44:10

Um listen, this is this is uh it's it's it's because of stuff like that why I don't do uh live reactions when I'm watching raw, cause like I think we should start doing those. I don't know. I might I I I might find myself without a girlfriend if I did that shit, bro.

SPEAKER_00: 44:27

I mean, okay, first off. No, no, I just if you make it a comment, like it's a cop.

SPEAKER_02: 44:33

Listen, it's okay. We we've cleared it up. Like, cause she should she watches wrestling with me. We it's been made very clear. Stephanie's ass is worth the watch and the comments in everything, it's worth everything.

SPEAKER_00: 44:50

Very glad that my wife is by. Anyway, um, so half the time she's looking at the ass and saying, babe, look at that ass. And I'm like, good, good, good, good. I can get away with this shit.

SPEAKER_02: 45:03

Listen, Steph Mike here is is a beautiful thing. However, I really, really I need them to really like start getting the ball rolling with her.

SPEAKER_00: 45:16

I feel like Julia, honestly, even though she probably do a little bit better in AEW. Julia? Just a little bit better. No, not right now. A little bit. I'm no, I'm gonna say in general. Because AEW, I feel like AEW post-monet, she would have been fine. Yes, post-monet. Not right now, but like I feel like she would do better in AEW. And you know what? Speaking of Monet, she's supposed to be going for another title belt at House of Glory.

SPEAKER_02: 45:46

This is actually a great time to go ahead and switch gears to AEW. Because AEW has been getting away with a lot of murder while we've been reviewing these pay-per-views and all these, and talk about all these other weekend shows. We really have not talked about the main product, AEW.

SPEAKER_00: 46:07

You're gonna have to say it because I mean I I haven't watched the product, but I'll I'll listen to Russell talk and WrestleMania tell me about how how bad the show was.

SPEAKER_02: 46:16

So let's start at the top here, okay, when it comes to AEW. This new title. The new title that they've brought out. So just to catch you up to speed, all right. Is this a title? No. Oh, okay. Damn. Is this a tag title? No, that's that's that's the problem. Okay, it's not because that is the new title, and they are actively working towards the tour going through the tournament. Now, I will say though, the tournament has been very interesting.

SPEAKER_00: 46:52

Like Athena and Monet is pissing me off. Well, they lost. Thank God. Oh, which was quite a bit.

SPEAKER_01: 47:01

Athena took the pin, didn't she? Oh god damn. Of course. Of course. Son of a bitch. Who the fuck else was gonna take that pin?

SPEAKER_00: 47:09

Uh uh Athena. I love you, boo. I love you what you're doing for ROH. But I'm not taking this pin, baby. I'm telling you right now. And that's all she said and walked out of the room. Listen, she didn't even have to say that. You know what?

SPEAKER_02: 47:21

I'm pretty certain someone's like, hey, Athena, uh, you're taking the pen tonight, all right?

SPEAKER_00: 47:26

I don't know how y'all gonna do it. Just make sure that happens.

SPEAKER_01: 47:30

Oh, fuck.

SPEAKER_02: 47:31

Literally, someone just came up to her and says, like, hey, Athena, I don't care what y'all do out there. The finish is uh you taking a pen. Have a good night. Break a leg. Don't break a leg.

SPEAKER_00: 47:42

Don't be like a bushy.

SPEAKER_02: 47:46

Unfortunately. Yeah. So just to just to just to play this back for you, so that you can understand how stupid this is, right? Uh Kenny Omega and Okada, okay. They had that match to unify these two titles. One of those tiles being, I do believe it was like the Continental and then the It was the Cottinell and the International. Yeah. Okay. So uh they and they fought and they unified the tiles, so now the tile became the unified title. Is it called unified? Yeah, just it's called the Unified. Bro, where have you been? I mean, I can't I can't get mad at you because they don't talk about the belt no more. They don't. Only because O'Kava has it. But like O'Ka has it, but like he barely defends it. You know, like he's he's just he's just kind of walking around with it. And the crazier thing is the fact that he has the belt, but every time you see him come out with the belt, Don Callis brings out the other two belts. Yes, he all he constantly has the other two belts with him while also Cocada is still holding the unified title, which would technically make those belts obsolete because they've been unified.

SPEAKER_00: 49:03

The title specifically and clearly states it. This nigga think he Paul Heyman. Because he said, yo, I know Roman had got that belt, but we still gonna hold the other two belts. Remember when Paul did that shit? You're right.

SPEAKER_02: 49:18

You're right. That nigga think he Paul Heyman. So fast forward to now, they have oh, real quick, and this is the key part, important part. Do you remember what the national title, the the that international title was meant to do? Remember when uh uh Orange Cassidy had it? Yeah, it was supposed to be an open challenge. And you defend it anywhere. Every day, you know, all in you know, wherever you go, and you saw him, he's defending it over at this promotion and having a dope ass match and defending it over there and all that. Yeah, he actually made the belt, the belt. Yes, yeah. So that title got unified with the continental or whatever it's called, right? Now it's in and now it's the unified title. So this new title is called the national title. The national title is meant to be used to be defended all over the place. You can defend it over here in Ring of Honor, you can go to Mexico and defend it, go to this place and defend it. The national title. All right, and the tournament has started. Now, here's the even crazier bit that I just learned of recently. This national title apparently has ties and is directly supposed to be being named after the uh title that comes from the NWA. You know, people like Dusty Rhodes is held in and you know, all these old school, you know, legends and all this other stuff. Do you know that that title is actually still actively being used and defended in NWA? You know, where the real legacy of that title is? So he's taking that belt and making it in AEW? He's taking the like so with the way he described it, you would have thought that he's reviving this international this, I'm sorry, the national title. Uh, you know, that was an uh uh a uh a tile that came from NWA NWA. But interestingly enough, remember, and I think you he he just he popped up recently. Uh one of the he used to be uh I think he used to be Mikey from the Spirit Squad. Yeah, yeah, he has that belt right now in in uh in NWA. He is currently the national NWA champion.

SPEAKER_00: 52:01

And so Tony is trying to take that belt and bring it to AEW.

SPEAKER_02: 52:06

You would think that's what he was trying to do. But funny, on Twitter, uh Mike, uh uh, former Spirit Squad member, current national champion, he was all like, hey, real quick to the world, just know fuck what AEW talking about, and this is me paraphrasing severely, but fuck what AEW's talking about. I'm the guy who holds that title that they're claiming to be talking about. So I don't know about they at, but I have the real national championship. Yeah, bro. It's crazy out here in this world of wrestling right now.

SPEAKER_00: 52:55

Um, it's crazy. So, first off, Tony, bro, what the fuck? Bro, are you adding another belt? Bro, we have not even crowned the women's tag champions. First off, hold on, hold on. This is one thing I'm gonna tell you this real quick. This is one thing I really do hate when promotions do, especially with a title like that. You're not gonna lose it at these fucking indie promotions because that basically makes that person an AEW talent now. They have to sign a contract. So it's not a title that if a person outside of the company wins, they could just start doing the same thing on have a half of AEW. So even if a person is booked to go to a promotion and defend that title, we already know as wrestling fans, well, we know who the fuck's going over in this match. There's no hype and anticipation behind that. And that's why I hate when people do that with belts going to other promotions and defending it because it's like that person's not gonna fucking win it.

SPEAKER_02: 54:02

Yeah, I know. It's it's crazy. You know what else is crazy? The women's blood and guts match.

SPEAKER_00: 54:10

I mean, why is that why why is that crazy?

SPEAKER_02: 54:14

You know why it's crazy right now? So we know the women's blood and guts match has been a situation where it's the the not the death triangle, Jesus Christ. The uh the it's the uh um I it's something of madness.

SPEAKER_00: 54:31

No, no, no. Triangle of madness. There you go.

SPEAKER_02: 54:35

And now me saying the death triangle just made me realize why the yeah. Why I said that, right? Yeah. So so triangle of madness, right? It was triangle and madness, and they were beefing with um Amenata and uh Hayter, okay? That's where all of this started. And so women's blood and guts, Jamie Hader calls out against this the triangle, okay? Now, by way of the triangle, that was also going to bring uh uh good old um Megan Bain and uh and uh Penelope. If I'm not that yeah, yeah. So originally, and so on on the good side we had those two, and um, I actually forgot who was also supposed to be a part of the good guy side. I believe it was supposed to be uh uh Harley, um, and then it was also going to be goddamn uh Willow was going was a part of like the good side because those are the girls who have been mainly beefing and fighting with each other, right? Now, let me make it clear again the fact that this is the first women's blood and guts match. Okay, so what AEW thought would be a great idea to do is because it's a win the first one, and instead of having these, you know, girls who have been in the trenches facing and fighting each other this whole time, instead of just letting it be for them, instead of it being a five on five, they decide to boost it up one more time and make it be a six on six. And you know who are the people who they decide to throw into this goddamn match? Your CEO. And because she's feuding with her, they threw in the women's AEW champion right now.

SPEAKER_00: 56:43

You know what that means is they didn't have fucking shit for Chris Statland. They didn't have shit for her, and they didn't have shit for Monet. So they just say, hey, you know, or or maybe they just say, Hey, can you throw us in that shit too?

SPEAKER_02: 56:55

Because it's fucking stupid since the first one, and you know, we want to be a part of history.

SPEAKER_00: 57:04

Or Monet just wanted to be a part of history, and then Chris Statlander said, Hey, hey, fuck that bitch, I want it too.

SPEAKER_02: 57:11

Well, I mean, Chris Lats Chris Statlander, she kind of had no choice in the matter because we all know she's truly an afterthought in all of this. Absolutely, bro. Chris Statlander is the transitional champion. She's going to drop this title to Mercedes, and it's painful to watch.

SPEAKER_00: 57:39

Well, we're not gonna talk about that again. It hurts. I mean, I'm gonna say that shit again.

SPEAKER_02: 57:43

We don't like it, but it is what it is, and I'm pretty sure that's what's going on. Monet not winning against Chris Statlander will be crazy.

SPEAKER_00: 57:56

As they say, we listen, we don't judge. Boy, you better listen to me, you better judge very well. That shit better not fucking happen, or I will straight triple H your house, like kick the door, and it's V at that bitch. Where is he? Where is he? And Randy Orton have an ass, you know what I'm saying?

SPEAKER_02: 58:19

Um see myself going through the window. I never forget that shit was crazy anyway, yeah, bro. And then like going off of just talk because and then this thing with Samoa Joe and and our heavyweight champion. I don't like it because we're really making Samoa Joe look bad out here to a degree, and then it's like outside of those small little bits that's been going on, like I think it was when they had the whole thing like last week where they did the whole uh for Halloween uh Hangman dressed up as uh Tony Shavani in his in his Halloween costume and like attacked Samoa Joe from behind and all this other stuff. Like that segment was it was good in theory, they just executed it really, really poorly. Like it looked really bad. And then and then tonight we had them fighting each other, but like fucking uh what's his name? Goddamn Eddie and uh uh Eddie Kingston and uh and Hook are with him fighting for the trio's title at that, like like they're going to win. And then with the stuff that happened, now we're gonna have Hobbs in a no D. Q match by the way.

SPEAKER_00: 1:00:01

I feel like pop man powerhouse hobbs, I feel like would be really good in WWE right now.

SPEAKER_02: 1:00:06

Yes, yes, he would. I think he'd he'd go a lot farther.

SPEAKER_00: 1:00:10

Would it be bad to say he'd be the next Biggie? Cause no lie, he he do like like a rug, a more rugged Big E.

SPEAKER_02: 1:00:20

He would fill, he I would say he could fill the spot that Big E fills size-wise and uh and maybe a little bit with what he could do in the ring. I think Big E is still a better wrestler than Hobbs. You don't think so? I don't think Hobbes got like if you had Hobbs versus Big E, I'm putting Big E over Hobbs.

SPEAKER_00: 1:00:45

No, I would never put Big E over Hobbs. Maybe it's because Biggie, Big E is he is a versatile wrestler, but he's a powerhouse. But I like how Hobbs is a brawler in a powerhouse. You know what I'm saying? Like, to me, honestly, and this and this could be, you know, because we know Big E's the lovable, also, you know, fun person, too. But Rich Hobbs, not Rich Harlem, whoa, why am I bringing that man up? But Powerhouse Hobbs, he gives me that grunge, like, yo, if you see him in a bar, he's gonna knock you the fuck out.

SPEAKER_02: 1:01:24

I think what you're forgetting is where Big E came from. Oh, I know he came from. You're not, you're looking I'm going you're looking at big, you're you're looking at fucking goofy ass. Yes, because that was the last thing he was. Yes. But and so, and because he was that for so long, yeah, you're forgetting three's not enough. I need five.

SPEAKER_00: 1:01:47

Oh, I I I remember that motherfucker because I remember that theme song. But that's the thing. We haven't seen that man in almost how many years? Because he broke his freaking neck, bro. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. Before that, how long was he in New Day? Almost like what, 10 years?

SPEAKER_02: 1:02:04

But that Big E came back with once again when he got the heavyweight title. No, bro. Bro, rewatch Big E with the heavyweight title, bro.

SPEAKER_00: 1:02:14

If you re- It wasn't three and Free NF, no.

SPEAKER_02: 1:02:18

Because it got cut short, because he broke his freaking phone.

SPEAKER_00: 1:02:21

Oh, okay.

SPEAKER_02: 1:02:22

But even then, you can't you can't act like that did not happen. I didn't say that, but that's the problem. But you're you though you're not you're not acting like it didn't happen because you're not counting it. Okay, I if you okay, if you just because he just because he's been having a good time does not mean he can't go back to that big E. And when he was heavyweight champion big E, big E was back to that. So he had to be like, where he was like, nah, fam, we're not playing no more.

SPEAKER_00: 1:02:54

And I'm gonna beat that up. You're telling me a wrestler's presentation can doesn't matter. Like you the current presentation of a wrestler cannot affect anything else because they were, oh, like they were such a badass back then. Any goofy shit that happens right now, I you could still take this serious, but the current presentation, oh man, but he But even then, I'm just saying though, like But but even with even if you count the goofy stuff, there were still W's being made.

SPEAKER_02: 1:03:26

He was still beating ass, he was still winning, and comparably speaking, I have seen Big E win a thousand times more than I have seen Powerhouse Hobbs win anything.

SPEAKER_00: 1:03:37

How about this? It might be just a little bit of biasness, but I again mention how I enjoy the fact of the style of wrestler that Powerhouse Powerhouse Hobbs is compared to Big E. Love Big E and love what he's done in the ring, but I enjoy the presentation that is by Powerhouse Hobbs. And I would want him to go over if I was the one that was doing it. I can see if it was you in the situation, you would want Big E to go over.

SPEAKER_02: 1:04:04

It's not even a want, it's just what should happen. That's how I feel with the whole Powerhouse Hobbs situation. Because like when I look at Powerhouse Hobbs in the ring, and this is just with the presentation that he has had, because I've only seen him as long as he's been AEW. And it's like I just don't see him being able to go like Big E. Whether if Big E is New Day Big E, or definitely when you think about where because it's like Big E, comparatively speaking, Big E has always been good.

SPEAKER_00: 1:04:44

Well, I mean, yeah, what I think the thing that also makes Big E he had to be versatile because he was also hanging out with High Flyers. He was hanging out with high flyers most of the time, or like wrestling against high flyers, and Powerhouse Hobbes has only been going against bigger dudes. He has been had he has had the chance to be versatile enough to go against or be around people who had to change his wrestling style. So you do have a point there where, again, that's why I mentioned Biggie is a versatile wrestler. He can go against smaller guys, he can go with the the big mean slap meat. Like he could he could be versatile. So in that range, yes, Biggie is technically the better person because of that. What I'm saying is I would like Powerhouse to become that.

SPEAKER_02: 1:05:35

Which I mean, we'll see what happens. I doubt it.

SPEAKER_00: 1:05:40

I doubt it.

SPEAKER_02: 1:05:41

Because going up against the heavyweight champion.

SPEAKER_00: 1:05:45

But AEW never book him properly, but go ahead.

SPEAKER_02: 1:05:49

And I will also bring up just the fact that, you know, Darby Allen is mostly just because I'm only bringing this up because you did not watch, but Darby Allen is still fighting the Death Riders. And uh he and and uh part of the uh Death Riders versus the conglomeration uh um uh uh uh Blood and Guts batch.

SPEAKER_00: 1:06:12

The Death Riders is riding this story to death.

SPEAKER_02: 1:06:16

They will never die. Death Riders never die.

SPEAKER_00: 1:06:21

But but yeah, like you know what? That should probably be their damn slogan.

SPEAKER_02: 1:06:25

Shit, because I mean oh, and Briscoe might be in trouble.

SPEAKER_00: 1:06:29

Well, well, at this point he might join the Don Callis family. I didn't see that.

SPEAKER_02: 1:06:32

He might he might join the Don Callis family. Which now you do that, my Briscoe is now for Briscoe to join the Don Callis family, I'm kind of here for that story, just see what happens.

SPEAKER_00: 1:06:44

I know oh, oh, so you're okay with just dumb ass shit happening, just to see what it happens. Because we all know that's dumb. Oh, bro.

SPEAKER_02: 1:07:00

National title. We know that. We can't get more stupider than that. We can't ultimo Monet, because we're calling her that now. Yeah, can't get stupider at this point. What was it that uh Kane used to say? You gotta embrace the hate.

SPEAKER_00: 1:07:20

I just want I just want you to remember that shit. Whatever I bring up, hey man, let's let that shit happen just for stupidity and just to see how that shit rock. Pinning that shit. Because we'll be like, yo, let that shit rock. Let's see how dumb it gets. You know what I'm saying? Because that's that's basically what you're saying.

SPEAKER_02: 1:07:40

Well, I say that because I know that's not going to happen. Bro, well we know that, yeah. This this is this is the the songs, the that swan song that he's finally gonna get that belt. But like AEW's a lost cause. That's why I ain't been watching it. It it really is. Now you said, because I I I need to hear this New Japan stuff, because apparently New Japan is a lost cause. I I don't say it's a lost cause right now, because they get I only watched one. You said you said they're taking booking, they're taking booking advice from uh Tony Khan.

SPEAKER_00: 1:08:19

No, no, no, no, no, no. Tony Khan took booking advice from them. So I watched the most recent episode today, which, you know, um uh interestingly enough, we got something uh major that happened at this event, and that's kind of the reason why I had to watch it. Uh November 8th was the uh Tosho Arena in um Ajino of Japan, and it is it's a part of the road, the ending road for Tanahashi. All right. Okay. And this car was interesting because if you are not a person who is familiar with New Japan and their philosophy on their uh building talent, you won't understand the Young Lions. So for anybody who's watching for the first time, the Young Lions is basically the division that trains under New Japan. Think of as NXT, but they don't have a show, they don't have anything. They are the opening for any show, right? There's no flash about them, they only wear black tights. That's it. If anything, they may wear some wrist tape, maybe some knee pads, but this it's black tights, black boots, that's it. The philosophy behind it, again, as I as I pull it up, the philosophy behind um the the young lions wearing nothing but that is because in the beginning you're supposed to be humble, and you're supposed it's basically the black trunks are a representation of humanity and discipline, stripping away any ego, flash, and identity, a young lion isn't here to shine yet, they're here to learn. Every lion starts in as the same base, no gimmick, no special gear, no music that says I'm different. The only work and struggle that defines them is that until your spirit roars, you wear black. And that's their philosophy. So whenever you see young lions come to the ring, they're only wearing black tights and black boots. That's it. So the first two matches of this event, I didn't get the chance to get these gentlemen's names. Also, me still being a person who's learning Japanese, I want to make sure if I'm pronouncing these people's names, I'm pronouncing them correctly. So I do apologize if this episode I am not saying people's names appropriately, but I'm gonna get better at it because I'm gonna keep watching the product. So, uh, two of the young lion matches. The first one ended in the Boston Crab. Alright, so that should tell you something right there. All right.

SPEAKER_02: 1:10:51

It ended with a Boston crab.

SPEAKER_00: 1:10:53

It ended with a Boston crab. It was kind of an interesting Boston crab. It was the per if one opponent was doing the Boston crab to the other opponent, and then they flipped it and then bounced while doing the Boston Crab. So in reality, he was trying to break that nigga back. Interesting. So that was the first finish. The second one, uh, again, two young lions. I think it ended with a particular suplex. I can't remember which one, but that one ended. And then the next one was a tag match between two young lions. Um I can't remember the guy's name, but he to me, he's the equivalent of a gold dust in New Japan. He actually sings on his way to the ring, and he had a young lion with him. So you basically have three people with just straight black tights and one guy who looks like gold dust. So, as anybody knows, talent. Uh, we also know the talent is going over, and he did. So that was the opening matches. By the way, no, these were normal matches I just mentioned. Everything else after that was trios fucking matches, okay? And they're trio matches with people that at first glance you're like, the fuck are they doing together? Isn't this person a face? Isn't this person a heel? What what the fuck is this? And um I think it's let me see, uh it's on here actually. Uh Shingo. Shingo to me, to my knowledge, he is a face. I could have sworn he was a face, but you know, with New Japan, they also do the two sides where you I believe it should be face and heel sides. I don't know which one is which because one time a face came out this side, and then one time a heel came out this side. So I'm like, which one is which, bitch? I don't know. Um one of the matches was Tiger Mass with uh Hamada and also Oleg versus the United Empire, which that's where uh the the Billy Goat came from because he created that. Uh he we had Great Ho Khan, which I love his gimmick. Uh he's basically he's like the equivalent of Genghis Khan in wrestling. Okay. Um I think that's where you're going with that. I'm I'm pleased, you know, but I just like how his presentation is. Uh, and then we also have Jacob Austin Young and Callum Newman. Uh these were just basically like two English motherfuckers just flipping off Japanese men and just pissing on them. Like I it was it was a lot of roughness. And the suplex that finished the match, I ain't gonna lie, he sold the fuck out that shit. Cause the way he landed, yeah, that probably would have got three count too. So I don't know what suplex this is. I can't remember the name. But when you get into the hold and you take your opponent's leg here and you hook it, not like fisherman, but like almost like you take his leg and he's like this, and then you go up with the suplex, and for some reason, I don't know if he was supposed to land on his back, but he landed side neck. So imagine the suplex landed like that. Okay, the suplex landed like this on his neck, and you just see the guy he he did the suplex to, he was an older man. And I'm just seeing, like, oh, actually, I think he's actually hurt, and so he gets the one, two, three, and as the one, two, three finishes, dang, dunno, he gets on top and just stops beating. I'm like, okay, um, I don't, I don't, I don't know if you should do that. I think you actually might need to check on him. He he actually looks hurt. Okay. He might be he might be uh uh the kid over. Yeah, which also another thing. WW you might have to look into this too, but the young lions also give uh ice packs at the end of the match, which is I feel like that'd be a uh a very nice thing to have after a match. I've been sweating my ass off and getting fucked up. Um also I don't know who this I don't know much about this guy, but New Japan, I think really they really love foreigner big men. If you're a foreigner and you are at least six feet six feet and five inches, bitch, you you're a monster over there. You're getting booked good because every match I've seen this guy be booked in, he is booked to be very strong. Okay, his name is Oscar, and when you look at him, he's not very muscular, he looks country boy strong. Okay, country boy strong, country kind of guy, yeah. But like he doesn't look like the country boy strong where if you know how where they always do the security thing and he just you know he does moments like that, but he kind of still look like a normal dude. It's weird to say it, but like he kind of looks like he wants to be young Undertaker slash Kane, weird, just in the face wise, like in he has the Undertaker like darkness, pale skin, you know, like pale skin, dark attire, but he also looked like he could be Kane in the ring. Okay, he does a mean fucking choke slam though, chokes choke slam, mean it's clean, actually, very, very clean. But he has a a partner whose name is um Yoto Ice. Let me say I can think announcer Yoto I saw that that's how they say his name. And when you see him, that nigga got mad swagger. It's actually you as a Japanese man. I ain't gonna lie. That nigga got ice chain ice ice chain up everything, bro. Like interesting, you know. Um, but I'm gonna get to him in a minute. But yeah, they booked they booked this guy Oscar. He was in a trio tag team match against uh a couple other wrestlers, and there was a segment where after the match, he just went A-Wall and was chasing one of the wrestlers around the arena, which the arena is like a gym. So, like, there's a part where Oscar jumps over the barricade and he's like this close to the guy, and somehow he loses him, and then there's a moment where securities hold me back. You can literally see him like hold me back, bro. Like, I'm not supposed to be getting to him. Like, I'm just like, bro, what the fuck is going on? So, very interesting situation, but they they try to book him like this fucking monster, and I could tell the Japanese really love foreigner tall men because there's guys like take a picture, he's big as fuck, bro. Look at I'm like, bro, the audience is really scared of him. Okay, this is crazy.

SPEAKER_02: 1:18:01

I know it's also because you know, like, they don't grow him that big in Japan. They don't.

SPEAKER_00: 1:18:05

That's why that's why Omos and Noah book strong.

SPEAKER_02: 1:18:10

As he should. Strong. Which actually kind of brings me not to go off topic, but like the next time we uh the next episode. I've uh I've been doing my research and I've actually learned quite a bit, and I also realize that these categories, they there's it go it gets deep. Yeah. And so, but yeah, I'm I'll I'll definitely have that presentation, goddamn PowerPoint. Now I'm not gonna do a PowerPoint, but I'm gonna I'm gonna have I'm gonna have I'ma have my uh my my my my speech ready.

SPEAKER_00: 1:18:48

So uh so then the last trio's match was the House of Torture, which is Dick Togo. Dick. Dick Togo. That's crazy. Yep. Uh uh forgot what his name, how I pronounced his name. I do apologize. Um Ushiro and Evil, which to me, Evil is the coolest name in wrestling to me. I mean, like, your name is literally Evil, bro. And he has a group called The House of Torture.

SPEAKER_02: 1:19:20

I like Evil.

SPEAKER_00: 1:19:21

Yeah, Evil's coolest. She has a very cool theme song, very, very cool theme song. And this was the never open weight six-man tag team title match with Matt uh Master Wato, Yo, and Yano. Um Yano is very much a comedy character, and to me, there's a lot of comedy moments with a group called the House of Torture going against the House of Torture that you're just like this is like the equivalent of putting the Undertaker against a comedy wrestler. This should not happen. This should not think about that. That should not happen. I mean, it depends. And evil is supposed to be like literally Japanese Undertaker over there right now.

SPEAKER_02: 1:20:08

I mean, it it just it's all in how you do it, it's all in the presentation.

SPEAKER_00: 1:20:12

It might not be as bad as you I mean it's not it, it was more so moments where Yano was taking off the turnbuckle and he was trying to throw evil into the turnbuckle, and then he ran into the turnbuckle himself, and you're just like, that was a comedy spot. But like with evil in it though, like evil, no.

SPEAKER_02: 1:20:30

Like so listen, there it's all and I think we said this once before. When it comes to comedy wrestling, it's like comedy wrestling only works if both people are willing to commit to the skit. And so it's like I don't think it's bad. And I'm I don't think it's bad either. I think it's bad. It's like, and even with certain people, I feel like as long as they're willing to actually give in to the comedy part of it, you know what I'm saying? Then it's like it it will come out and it'll be fine, it'll be entertaining. But like, you know, if if evil is all if if evil was like fucking like bull facing that shit, then it's like okay, that's when it's like ew.

SPEAKER_00: 1:21:18

Yeah. Um, and then the last match again, we have Tanahashi, which is this is Tanahashi's Final Road connection match. That's what it's called, the connection match. And this was the only match in the fucking car with a story. And I once I got the story, put it in my fucking veins, bro. Okay, the only story in this whole fucking shit. So yo to I so go. Um, the whole premise of the story was apparently, uh, whenever he finished high school, um, he saw that uh Tanahashi won the world title. And he was hanging out with his friends. You know, he even admitted that as of high school, he almost became a Yakuza. Until his friends was like, yo, you see, Tanahashi went to school, he went to the same school as us. Hey, hey, he's the world champion. He's like, fuck Tanahashi, man. I kick his ass. Don't y'all think I kick his ass? And his friends are like, fuck no, Tanahashi kick your ass. And he took that personally as what Michael Jordan would say. He took that personally, he took that personally. So he tried out as a young lion, and after his fourth attempt, he finally got accepted into New Japan. Again, for a lot of people who are not aware, young lions have to go to do excursions. And those excursions are when you have to go to different uh territories and you have to wrestle their style. Most people go to Mexico. Okada actually went to TNA. Um, fun fact Okada went to TNA, uh, Okada went to other places, but like this is what the excursion is. You go, you train here, and then you go to do your excursion for a couple of years, and you come back and you become a star with the things that you've learned. Okay. It's kind of a really cool concept in theory. Um, and I really think WWE it wouldn't fit for them, but it definitely fits New Japan. You know, it's one of those.

SPEAKER_02: 1:23:28

I would say WWE involuntarily does that. Yeah, involuntarily. They do it without saying that they're doing it. For example, Natty? Uh, no. Natty's a perfect example of that, though. Not quite. I would say uh uh, well, na no, she's she's she's a very different thing that's happening. I would say Drew McIntyre is a good example of that. Okay, yeah. Matt Cardona is a I mean great, he has not come back to WWE. Well, he has not come back to uh main roster WWE, but he is a comparison. Um, I'm trying to think of somebody uh for all intents and purposes, Cody Rhodes is an example of that type of thing. WWE created him for all intents and purposes, it gave him his start, he left there, went some other places, became big, and WWE was all like, there's our investment. Why don't you come back over here and and uh and and do that thing that you do? And a little bit of money and they come back, type situation. And you and we see a lot of wrestlers who leave WWE, become big somewhere else, and then they come back better. Doesn't always happen. Looking at you, Roosevelt and Alistair Black. Oh, I mean, I mean, I'll give Aleister Black a little bit of stuff. He's in the main event title now. He uh he did fight for the WWE title, which that was actually something I was gonna bring up, but like just just to say, just to see your uh your your input on Alistair Black and his wife.

SPEAKER_00: 1:25:21

Uh apparently Zelina Vega just real quick, Zelina Vega is being a very good manager, which is what she's always been good at as a manager. Unfortunately, not as a wrestler to me. But no, no, no, you're you're correct.

SPEAKER_02: 1:25:35

This is these are all facts. However, I I just found it it was uh because a lot of people are making the comparison. I'm like, it's it's kind of hard to look past it, and that's the fact of you know, Black and Selena are Cross and his wife right now. Like pretty much they like, hey, since they're gone, can we take that gimmick? God damn. Oh, I like so you you you that even got that didn't even cross your brain, did it? Damn, Nigga, you better sue.

SPEAKER_00: 1:26:09

Cross, you better sue. You son of a bitch, you better sue. You better fucking sue. They literally gimmick infringement, bro. Like, Jesus. Completely drive, completely stole. And I'm sorry, I mean, I'm gonna keep it above 50. Scarlet's hotter. Now, granted, Selena Vega has that that that black black man kryptonite. She has the black man kryptonite. But Scarlet's hotter. Um but yeah, so in this match, again, the premises of the match, was Yoto, he he's came back as a young lion, and he's never had a moment to actually prove to everybody else I can beat up. Tanahashi. But he also flips it though, which is kind of a weird thing. It went from like, yo, man, I want to beat him up just to prove everybody I could beat him up. But then Tanahashi says, you know what? Yeah, we went to the same school. Kind of find it funny. But I'm gonna I'm gonna treat you with love and passion. And that's how I'm gonna melt the ice. Pause. Okay. He literally says, that's how I will melt the ice. He he did that shit. I don't I don't know what the fuck that meant, but like to the Japanese, it's also the heart thing, you know, whatever. But uh, not the choice words I would use about melting a heart or melting ice, but so Yoto says, Hey, uh Tanahashi, I'm gonna make you love wrestling enough that you won't retire. So this match is not for me to just beat you up, it's actually gonna be beating life into you. So let's get high. Big up. He said that shit at the end, big up. And that shit was like the way he said big up, I was like, all right. Put this shit in my veins. I'm I'm here for it. What's going on? And the match, while it was slow, it's slow because for Tanahashi, it's not slow because of Yoto is not at all, it's slow because Tanahashi's knees are just really bad right now. He's old, man. And he's he's trying to ride it till January because January 6th is his last match, and then he would just be new Japan president, and that's it. By the way, he is currently their new Japan president. So imagine Vince McMahon wrestling full time.

SPEAKER_02: 1:28:49

Um, but I mean, which I haven't even seen much of his this his you know what he's been doing recently, but except the the AEW map. Yeah, aside from the stuff that he's done in AEW, but like, in my opinion, just from the stuff that I've heard, twice as bare of a of a retirement uh uh running.

SPEAKER_00: 1:29:13

Honestly, like he's Japanese John Cena. I mean, if you look at his career, he is literally Japanese John Cena. He is he is the same way with the positivity, he he doesn't have the three you know words hustle, loyalty, respect, but he has the hi-fi flow. And he also does Eric guitar.

SPEAKER_02: 1:29:35

It's too bad they could they never was able to meet in such a way.

SPEAKER_00: 1:29:39

Bro, if they did, I think the world would explode. Listen. I'm not gonna lie, the world would have exploded because how do you book a match where it's the two most over baby faces in each continent? Who's taking the pin?

SPEAKER_02: 1:29:56

The same person. Well, I won't say the same person. Person, but we handle that the same way we handle any super big match like that. No. Hey, Run. No, no. We have somebody who's a really big heel come out there, interfere in the match, completely blow the shit out of the water, and then we run it back. But now John Cena and Tanahashi are a tag team going against evil and whoever the fuck else. You know what?

SPEAKER_00: 1:30:30

Evil and Drew McIntyre.

SPEAKER_02: 1:30:31

There you go.

SPEAKER_00: 1:30:32

Yep. That actually would not be a bad fucking idea. Yeah, listen. I'd watch that goddamn match.

SPEAKER_02: 1:30:40

I'd be listening. And the story kind of writes itself because the because now because literally Drew McIntyre and evil, they're over here like, yeah, no, like who cares if they're retiring? Like the spotlight should be on people like us who are still carrying this business and putting it on our backs and doing all this and da-da-da-da-da. So it's like, if they want to leave, let them go. Because we're still here and we're not going anywhere anytime soon. And and boom. You know, wrestling's not that hard. I don't know why wrestling makes it seem like it's that difficult to do. Now, of course, like, you know, I mean, of course, like this is cross brands, but but but even then, like taking that same idea with what we got going on right now, like in WWE, with this.

SPEAKER_00: 1:31:36

It's just I will say this much though. Oh, man, we're dropping mics now. I will say this much though. Um, you good. I think we uh we still are we still alive? We still alive? You might check? Okay, you still we better be. I'm talking about your mic. Um but uh the end of the match, yeah. And this is another thing I will I can say when you watch New Japan, you will appreciate this. They protect fucking finishers.

unknown: 1:32:06

Thank God they do.

SPEAKER_00: 1:32:07

If a person hits a fucking finish, it's done. Now, granted, because it was a little bit of a grudge, he did have to do his finish two times, but it was only because you're still trying to let Yoto still be strong a little bit after the match. So where he did the first finisher, which is the high-fi flow, which is a frog splash, he hits it and like he kicks out, right? But as he kicks out, he's trying to like he's trying to like you know swing and and show some fight. And the cool thing about the hi-fi flow, it's also a crossbody. Because he can still do the frog, and so that's how he hits it, but he hits it sideways, and it's a versatile move. You don't have to be laying down to be hit with it, which is nice. So that's how you hit it the second time, and then he finishes.

SPEAKER_02: 1:33:01

So it protects it because he's still like he was trying to it's the whole which which that I'm cool with because like he kicked out, but like that was like it was like it was say almost as say like he kicked out out of instinct, yeah, but he was actually still knocked out. Like he like he was done. It's just the his inner will type, yeah, which is fine. Because that tells the that that that that's just the finish. That's just selling and and storytelling in the ring to the story that's being told going into the match. Yeah. So that's that. Yeah, no, that's straight. Yeah. Because it makes sense.

SPEAKER_00: 1:33:41

But I've only seen in all those matches, if somebody hit the finish, it was done. It wasn't, oh, we're gonna kick out, we gonna do it again.

SPEAKER_02: 1:33:48

We gotta get back to this. And the listen, like we gotta get back to this over here in on the West. In the States, because goddamn, finishes don't mean shit no more.

SPEAKER_00: 1:34:00

And it's crazy. So the talk of the town is that after the match, you know, Tadahashi has been telling everybody, please wait, please wait. Everybody's been wondering who's his final opponent is, please wait, please wait. And then we finally find out who it is. It's Okada. And funny thing is, Okada starts the promo the same way he started the promo when he came back from his excursion. Thank you. Because today is your retirement. Basically, he's when he came from excursion, he says, Thank you for your hard work. You can retire now. And so I'm here to retire you because they've had a long feud, they have had they've had a long rivalry, and at first, the way my brain went, I wasn't I was like, Why did we pick Shinsuke and Akamura? Because in New Japan and Noah, they're different in two ways, and also this is why Tony Khan he loves Japanese wrestling, you could tell it immediately. In Japan, they have the three Musketeers. The three Musketeers are the three wrestlers who are they are going to be the future. Uh originally it was Anoki, um, Giant Baba, and I can't remember the third guy, but he created another promotion. Um no, actually, uh Great Muda.

SPEAKER_02: 1:35:33

Okay.

SPEAKER_00: 1:35:34

Um they were the original three Musketeers. And then they created another set of Musketeers. I believe I do quote me. I think Moda Muda was the first of those three. I do, you know. But regardless, the next set of Musketeers was Tanahashi, Shinsuke, and Shibata. Shibata had too many concussions, so he was out. And then Nakamura came to WWE, so then Tanahashi became the ace. And then later on, we found out who the next musketeers are, and so on, so on.

SPEAKER_02: 1:36:07

Now, these must are these people like announced as the three, or it's just kind of like the understood.

SPEAKER_00: 1:36:14

Yeah, it's kind of like you you notice through the charisma of those people as the class that came in. So like Star Pires think about like how Orton, Brock, and Cena, they're that class of Batista, they're that class of people that came in and became the pillars of WWE for that, for what we currently have. Yeah, no, that makes sense. Yeah, so it's the equivalent of that. Um, and in Noah, they have the four pillars. What do you think AEW did? They also had the four pillars. It was MJF, Darby Allen.

SPEAKER_02: 1:36:56

Fuck.

SPEAKER_00: 1:36:57

No, no, it was Paige.

SPEAKER_02: 1:36:59

Oh, Paige.

SPEAKER_00: 1:37:00

And uh fuck, who's the fourth one? They want to say, I think they were saying it was Sammy Guevara. I think they were saying it was Sammy Guevara.

SPEAKER_02: 1:37:07

I can see that.

SPEAKER_00: 1:37:09

But you notice how that's changed. So that's how I can again, he wanted to create that or whatever.

SPEAKER_02: 1:37:16

No, I I I I do I I see it. I I can I see and I get the vision of kind of like, you know, how they how that's set up. Yeah, like they're like your your core guys. Yeah. That that you really, really, you either really, really want to push or there is just something about them that you know stands out. Which but like I feel like with with New Japan, those are just like those would be like the guys who just stand out and just became undeniable stars. Yeah. Where at AEW, these are like the guys who Tony Khan just really, really, really, really wanted to push to the moon and make them be the head of the company, whether or not if the fans really wanted them to be that person or not. Yeah, because Sammy Guevara is definitely not that guy.

SPEAKER_00: 1:38:09

Oh no, no, no, no, no, no, no, not anymore.

SPEAKER_02: 1:38:12

Dar Darby Allen is Darby Allen could be that guy, but like I feel like after seeing and listening to Darby Allen talk as a person, I don't think he will ever be that guy because he doesn't because I don't think he really cares.

SPEAKER_00: 1:38:33

No, he doesn't.

SPEAKER_02: 1:38:35

Like, he had a uh interview uh going into the John Moxley match with uh this one guy who used he uh he used to do a lot of like uh UFC interviews and stuff like that.

SPEAKER_00: 1:38:48

Are you talking about um the one that got uh he wears glasses? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02: 1:38:57

I he was the one who did the interview with Goldberg.

SPEAKER_00: 1:39:00

And and Punk, right?

SPEAKER_02: 1:39:02

I I think he did do it with Punk too.

SPEAKER_00: 1:39:04

Yeah, he he's the one he was a journalist. I think like WWE doesn't fuck with him anymore. I can't remember if it's AW or WWE.

SPEAKER_02: 1:39:09

No, it's it's it's it's definitely probably WWE.

SPEAKER_00: 1:39:12

Okay.

SPEAKER_02: 1:39:12

Because he the last interview he had, he had with Goldberg, and Goldberg was which he never did. He never did. He never you know, those two weeks went by and Goldberg never actually gave his views on how he felt about everything because he was beaten around the bush, but he's gone radio silent since then. That's like a honey. Oh you're close. I mean, Grant, we literally could probably just look at it. I know I'm I'm just trying to use my wrestling brain. But like uh while you're thinking about that, he had Darby Allen on there, and Darby Allen is such a different individual. He's the kind of person who like growing up, like there's a part of you that's like, man, I really want to be your friend, but man, you make it really hard for me to want to like be your friend and like you. And the pro and the type of person that Darby Island is is all like, well, that's just too bad. He he doesn't care. And it's like when he was talking about how like, you know, he likes doing the you know, him doing, you know, climbing Everest and you know, doing this for you know, this and that, and you know, he's like he's the kind of person where like honestly, he's the kind of person who's probably like super perfect for wrestling because like he does not he he's he's easily uh hey Darby, I need you to go out there and do this. All right, cool, whatever. You know, he he he's kind of got that mentality because like he's someone he's like you know, he he doesn't you know he talked about it freely, saying how you know I don't understand the talks about how he does not understand the egos that go into wrestling because he's all because you know he's like it's all scripted.

SPEAKER_00: 1:41:13

Hawani, hawani, yeah.

SPEAKER_02: 1:41:14

He's like it's all scripted, like you know, someone's gotta win, someone's gotta lose. You know, like he's like that nigga don't really give a fuck at all. Bro, he yeah, like you if you get a chance, watch it. It it'll because I'm pretty sure like that's literally who he is. And because that's who he is as a person, like he's somebody who like you know, later on down the line, you'll see like he never wins a world heavyweight title, but like he does, but he's done so much in wrestling at a certain point, and then it's all and he he's all like, Yeah, I mean titles, I don't care about titles, you know. I just I just went out there and just do I just do it because I just I just wanted to do that shit, you know what I'm saying? Like, I don't give a fuck. But it's also like I feel skater boys who are straight edge. He's also straight edge, yeah. That should tell you that should that should tell you all you really need to know about Darby.

SPEAKER_00: 1:42:20

I don't see 'cause my hands are on fire. No, I can't remember. I used to know the lyrics. I used to learn I used to know I used to know lyrics. Uh oh, you can't see. Damn. That means you really sat there and listened to this. Yo, I fucks with his theme. So do you I fucks with his theme. For a while I was like actually bumping that shit for a good minute.

SPEAKER_02: 1:42:49

Hey, listen. I mean, I can't I hate creeps and I hate liars. Oh, you uh Yeah, the opera now. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah, okay. Anyway, but go ahead. I mean, listen, I I can't fault you because I was I I would be I'd be bumping that uh Danny Garcia's theme song. So yeah, like that was.

SPEAKER_00: 1:43:11

I used to bump Sammy Guevara shit too. Because that shit was fire. No, yeah, his was kind of fire. Yeah, because only because it had this the he had that Super Saiyan intro version that was like, man, I gotta peep this shit. Sammy Guevara. And I also thought that was Mega Ran that was rapping on there at one point. No, no. It's not, it's not, but at first I thought it was Mega Ran.

unknown: 1:43:33

Nah.

SPEAKER_00: 1:43:34

Um I think Mega Ran did Big E's thing, didn't he? Not Big E's.

SPEAKER_02: 1:43:39

He's the he he is the president. That's um current. He did current uh uh he's currently New A's theme song.

SPEAKER_00: 1:43:48

Yeah, a new day, yeah. I guess why he did somebody else's theme too. Okay.

SPEAKER_02: 1:43:55

Not to my knowledge, at least.

SPEAKER_00: 1:43:58

But to to bring back to the New Japan thing that I was originally trying to talk about was the fact that I was surprised it wasn't Shinsuke and Akamura because again, them being the three pillars. Uh, but Okada makes perfect sense if you've gone and looked at their recorded history of matches between each other. Man, kind of hashi, man. If you look at his older matches, that motherfucker was going. And I think I see why Dave Meltzer, he said he does not like WWE matches, he likes the style of New Japan. And he explained why it's because where WWE they plan their spots to where you see it and you should be popping for this moment. Perfect example he gave was when The Rock does the people's elbow. He kicks the foot. You know it's time to pop because he's doing the people's elbow. And then he does the move, and then boom. Where New Japan will set up, set up, set up, and then a move will happen. And because that situation happened, you popped. It's not because they staged it, it's not because they planned it. The only thing they ever do those moments is if they're getting ready to try to do their finisher, which is what we all know. And Okada is a perfect example when he does the that's when you know the finish is coming, and so yeah, everybody pops for that, but not so much as when I'm about to do my move, like you know, Drew McIntyre, three, two, one, like stuff like that. He doesn't like when WWE does that. He rather pop because the moment happened, and now you're like, whoa, wait, I missed something. Oh shit, I missed that, or I saw it happen in real time. Where I guess because you know, US attention spans is you have to actually let us know shit for us to even fucking care. That's that's what he was like.

SPEAKER_02: 1:45:51

I feel so what it really what so what it really kind of boils down to is because the difference between those two things is and it's and it's literally the difference between how New Japan views their wrestling versus where how WWE views their wrestling. He likes it because it it's like it feels like you're watching sports. Sports is usually very unpredictable. And so, you know, he likes it when, you know, in the analogy that I'm making, he likes it when someone's dribbling down the court and they manage to like break someone and they make that that real quick three-point. As where in WWE, it's Harlem Globetrotters. Yes. You know the Globetrotters are going to win, and you know there's gonna be uh you know, a certain Globetrotter always does this one little trick before he shoots the three and makes it. And because of that bit, you know, there it's it's the entertainment versus the sport of it.

SPEAKER_00: 1:47:01

You know, and it's funny you say that because thinking of it as as a probably for you as a parent, if you ever had to tell your kid, like, hey yo, he's getting ready to set up for the move, you know, like, and it gets the kid to pop because it's like, oh, so this is the moment, this is the big moment we should we care about. And WWE does do that. New Japan don't do that for shit. So it's funny you made that, and because like if they do the setup, it's like, all right, he's getting ready to shoot three or whatever. That's a very interesting comparison because it's actual shit. There's been so many times as a wrestling fan, I've been told, like, this is the thing that makes them who they are, and then they do it, and it's like, oh word, that's it, that was cool. Where in New Japan they just did it, and you're like, holy shit, he just did that.

SPEAKER_02: 1:47:46

You know, it's the it's the unpredictability, it's the difference of Undertaker raising his hand, getting ready to do the chokeslam, or doing the cutthroat into the tombstone, where in New Japan, it's like they're in a sequence that then Undertaker just grabs your fucking neck and chokeslam the shit out of you, and then just picks you up immediately and does a tombstone.

SPEAKER_00: 1:48:09

And it's one, two, three.

SPEAKER_02: 1:48:11

You know, so it's like I get it, but at the same time, at that point, it's like it that just at that point that comes down to just I guess really opinion. It's more so taste. And yeah, and actually, that's that's really what it is. You nailed it. It's it's just that just comes down to the taste of it all.

SPEAKER_00: 1:48:33

Because I even could say watching like stardom and Joshi wrestling, like the women's wrestling in Japan is stiff as fuck. Like it's so stiff.

SPEAKER_02: 1:48:43

Let's let me be honest with you. Women's wrestling respectfully is stiff as fuck.

SPEAKER_00: 1:48:51

Yeah, it is, it is but what I'm saying, like, okay, I'm used to the American stiff, right? But when you go to Japan and you see the Joshi wrestling ring, their ring, you're familiar with how a ring feels. Yes, their ring mat doesn't feel like a cotton or anything, it's like slick that it's shiny wrestling off fucking hard plastic. Bro, it looks like it. Like, I'm gonna show you a Joshi ring after this at some point, but you see how slick and smooth it is, and it don't look like a wrestling ring. It literally looks like they're wrestling on fucking plastic.

SPEAKER_02: 1:49:31

Jesus Christ. Lord have mercy.

SPEAKER_00: 1:49:33

Bruh, every time I'm like, God damn, that shit like it hurts.

SPEAKER_02: 1:49:37

It's interesting. Like, like I feel when it when it comes to women's wrestling, I think like when it comes to women's wrestling, the women's wrestling that you generally that honestly right now, not counting New Japan, but 95% of the women's wrestling you see on TV is mad soft, in my opinion. When you watch women's wrestling on the indies, fam, they hit harder, they slam harder, they slap harder. Women beat women be dog walking each other in the ring, bro. They be physically abusing one another in the ring. I'll never forget this one match I saw. I remember because I was working backstage at the time. Uh and like I remember seeing these girls, they're like they were going over their match, going over their match, going like they was practicing all their spots, and da-da-da-da. When they got into the ring, I did see some of the spots that they practice, but like as they're going through, they are putting hands on each other, bro. Like, everything short of just knocking each other's actual teeth out, like their hits were real hits. Yep. When they slammed each other, they slammed each other harder than the biggest man in the ring did.

SPEAKER_00: 1:51:17

Because they got they got something to prove, man. And that's what and that's what it is, bro. And I respect it so much more. And honestly, I watched a match Julia did in stardom before WE WWE, bro. That bitch was a beast.

SPEAKER_02: 1:51:31

Like, bruh, mean Julia. Me, not slander, because no one's talking shit about her necessarily. No. But the Julia disrespect that's happening in WWE right now is unfathomable.

SPEAKER_00: 1:51:46

Bro, like Julia in in stardom was damn near a god. And but that not even just like in the figurative sense of like how they viewed her, but also as a wrestler, like she did one match, and I'm just like, I shouldn't have. She's jobbing out to Chelsea Green right now, bro. Yes. And that's why I'm just like, bro, like, you know, sometimes going to WWE isn't everything, okay? Going to WWE isn't isn't everything.

SPEAKER_02: 1:52:13

Well, I hope that paycheck is good for Julia. I mean, shit. I I hope that I hope that paycheck is.

SPEAKER_00: 1:52:17

You know what? Another thing that was also that's also one of the reasons why Shinsuke Nakamura left New Japan is because New Japan is very stiff, and you he created the the strong style. Once he created, he kind of popularized the strong style because they always were doing strong style. But he popularized it. And he was just like, yo, I kind of hate hitting motherfuckers real hard every goddamn day. Can I wrestle?

SPEAKER_02: 1:52:41

My knuckles hurt.

SPEAKER_00: 1:52:42

Like, uh I can we like wrestle like chill? And so he said, yo, I'm gonna go to WWE because that style is a little bit more chill.

SPEAKER_02: 1:52:52

So some more time on his uh I mean improved, gave him a brand new bump card that he could actually uh use. You know what I'm saying?

SPEAKER_00: 1:53:01

I mean, but if you because if you look at Tanahashi, and if you look at Shibata, Tanahashi's knees is fucked. Shabata, he can't go as hard as he wanted to because he's on the concussions. So that's why he don't really do a lot of singles matches. He got two other niggas, but I can tell my nigga.

SPEAKER_01: 1:53:21

So I'm just saying, bro. I'm saying.

SPEAKER_02: 1:53:26

Shinsuke said, Ayo, I got out of there while the getting was good. And now look at me. I'm getting paid, I'm living good. I feel I wish Shinsuke could be so much more than what he is, but I feel that Shinsuke doesn't care because his wallet is looking great. His health is good. His health is good, the money's coming in, he's still getting, he's still selling some kind of merch, I think. And you know what? They keep re-signing, and he's like, I feel like he's like, you know what? As long as we can keep that happening, I don't care what y'all do.

SPEAKER_00: 1:54:05

I do need him to go back into Japan at least if he's gonna, if he's gonna retire at some point, at least go out with some flair, bro.

SPEAKER_01: 1:54:14

I don't know.

SPEAKER_00: 1:54:14

Well, for when he retires, sure. Finish normally in WWE.

SPEAKER_02: 1:54:20

I think he got plenty going on.

SPEAKER_00: 1:54:22

Oh, he's he's he's just he's chilling right now. That's what I'm saying. Give us one good last New Japan, just stiff as fuck, throw it all out and be done with it.

SPEAKER_02: 1:54:34

Go there and hit somebody for real, for real.

SPEAKER_00: 1:54:36

Hit somebody with a bomboye-knee, okay? Not a chin shasta, a bomboye-ny. Okay, them shits, boy, back in the day. Boy, you thought Kenny's V-trigers was mean, bro. That motherfucker was trying to shiny wizard the fuck out of your ass, man. Oh my god. Anyway, that's pretty much everything um with the wacky world of wrestling, the wild world of wrestling, the whatever the fuck you want to call it. You got any final notes, bro?

SPEAKER_02: 1:55:15

I mean, we we did actually kind of go uh international title on this one, you know. Yeah, man.

SPEAKER_00: 1:55:20

I encourage you to watch the new Japan.

SPEAKER_02: 1:55:22

I'm gonna give you the link. I'm gonna make my way around for this New Japan. I'm gonna start uh trying to feed a little bit into it because my uh my friends of past and friends of uh of uh current who are still who still watch, you know, they they tell me and they put let me know of certain things. And so if I can start why if I can get myself to start watching it now, then I can quickly put myself on to people who might eventually finally spill over and just don't watch collision. But somebody's got to, right?

SPEAKER_00: 1:55:57

That's jo what, Johnny? And now don't he do it? Wow, he does it for you to watch New Japan. Plugging you, Johnny, bro.

SPEAKER_02: 1:56:08

You know what I mean? Listen, listen, it's I mean, yeah, someone has to, but but I also do it because it's weird, because with collision, it's like you know how we found that piece of bacon in that last you know, that shit collage collision in the shit sandwich. That is collision. Sometimes there's a really perfectly cooked piece of bacon in there.

SPEAKER_01: 1:56:39

I'll give a fuck.

SPEAKER_02: 1:56:42

So by the way. Now I'll say more times than not, you know, you bite into it, it's nothing but shit. But every once in a while, you're like, ooh, that's a flavor. It is what the there's a crunch of a perfectly cooked piece of bacon. That perfectly cooked piece of bacon last week was Bandito defending his title.

SPEAKER_00: 1:57:06

Yo, actually, I forgot I wanted to mention this to you. I don't know. Did you ever see that post that's I sent you about the the the Brodyito story? Which uh wait. Okay, okay, so so funny thing. All right, so uh uh uh Brody King and Darby Allen and Bandito are riding in the car together. They're going to the they're going on tour, and Brody King used to be Roadie. So very familiar with traveling, and you know, if you've ever traveled for your job, you've gonna have moments where you cannot hit the restroom. You're gonna have to pull it over, pee in a cup, pour it out, or you pee in the cup in the car, you pour it out. That just happens. So this time, Brody King, they pull over, he says, I gotta take a piss. He proves over, and this now makes sense why Darby's straight edge, because he ain't really as scary as I think he is now. Um Brody, very familiar with peeing in the cup and doing what he does, he pees in the cup and Darby says, Ugh, that's disgusting. And I'm like, Darby? You said ew, that's disgusting. Okay, you know, I thought you was a little bit wilder than that, but all right. And you know, Bandito's the one that's driving, you know what I'm saying? So Brody, showing how much of a powerful individual he is, showing how how alpha he is, says, I bet y'all I drink this pig. And Darby says, No, you won't. And my man says, Drake's a little bit his own piss. What? And apparently he says he earned the respect of Darby and Bandito that day. And if you look at the comment section, that said, nigga, I would have took this shit to the grave.

SPEAKER_01: 1:58:53

I would have took that shit to the grave.

SPEAKER_00: 1:59:02

Cause I who who who just openly like piss in the cup, you know, a little sip of your own piss, and and then bruh, I'm never sharing a warm out with your ass. Oh, wow.

SPEAKER_02: 1:59:20

That's crazy.

SPEAKER_00: 1:59:21

Yeah, I I I sent it to you. I'm surprised you didn't see it, but it was it was a post where he told that story, and I was just like, What? Yeah, that's crazy. Now, who was it that told the story? It was Brody.

SPEAKER_02: 1:59:34

Oh, Brody.

SPEAKER_00: 1:59:34

Brody was the one that told the story. Yeah, no, yeah. That's why people in the comment section, I would have kept that to the grave.

SPEAKER_02: 1:59:40

You could have, yeah, you nah, you you should have passed away with that one.

SPEAKER_00: 1:59:43

Yeah, now he's John McGurk. I just drank piss.

SPEAKER_02: 1:59:49

Who do you talk about? Just Drake Piss. Just Drake Piss. What do you think of it? How do you think of it? I just drank piss. Oh my God, bro.

SPEAKER_00: 1:59:59

That's uh That's a deep cut for anybody that knows home movies, man. Boy. Anyway, anything else you got? I got a couple of other memes and stuff I gotta show you, but that's nah.

SPEAKER_02: 2:00:15

That's about it I got on this one, man. Like uh besides your girls nip slipping? Listen, that was hilarious. I actually gotta go back and look that up. Yeah. It is funny because like I be I saw it before I watched SmackDown. Like I saw something talking about it. So as I'm watching SmackDown, and she's having the fact which just to just throw it out there, not to dwell and talk on it a whole lot, but uh uh Lash Legend of Naya, I approve.

SPEAKER_00: 2:00:46

I approve of that too. I I I'm not gonna lie, I wasn't a super huge fan of her in NXT, especially when she was going for the Evolve title. I was like, why would you do that? Yeah, as a little bit of a little but but now that she's in the main roster, I said, hey, you know what? Hopefully this will be an opportunity for me to grow and enjoy her a little bit more.

SPEAKER_02: 2:01:06

Yes, I I've always liked the bougie bully. I at her theme song is uh horrible.

SPEAKER_00: 2:01:15

That's also one of the reasons why I can't fuck with her.

SPEAKER_02: 2:01:16

Right, that the her theme song needs to go somewhere, but but she herself is fine. By all means of the word. Yeah. But yeah, no, it's uh I uh this week of wrestling has was kind of like uh you know it was Smack SmackDown wasn't horrible, Raw was decent, and AEW is just being AEW right now. And this is the AEW booking needs to be studied. But aside from that, you know easy burn, not study. I mean it does, but aside from that, next week we're gonna get into that discussion about the different levels and the and and and and revisit that topic about monster versus uh versus giant.

SPEAKER_00: 2:02:08

Yes, sir.

SPEAKER_02: 2:02:09

Because with the stuff that I've looked up and and the more re and and be in the same, it's like I looked that up and then that led me to another thing, which then led me to another thing. And so I'll talk about that journey next time and and also give my my views and and all that in that particular regard of you know the different classifications when it comes to wrestling, which that that's gonna be fun.

SPEAKER_00: 2:02:39

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