Blood & Guts Review. Zack Ryder Return?!

If you love big matches but still crave a clean story, this one’s for you. We dive headfirst into AEW’s Blood and Guts double-header, unpacking why the women’s match felt like a gutsy statement and why the men’s match, despite wild moments and Orange Cassidy brilliance, struggled under the weight of AEW’s recent “everything is hardcore” streak. We talk logic gaps, last-minute insertions, and how overusing plunder can dull even the sharpest spots.

Then we pivot to WWE’s lane and look at how War Games is shaping up. Raw delivered a stack of consequential beats—from a Grand Slam milestone to tag title movement—that actually stitch into the bigger picture. We break down why WWE’s scarcity of big stipulations makes them feel special, how pacing matters for TV, and why Hangman Page’s measured AEW match between chaos worked so well with a tired crowd. Also on deck: Matt Cardona’s surprise return pop, whether he should be fast-tracked as a singles star, and what TNA’s rapid title flip says about timing, momentum, and giving a new champion room to breathe.

Across the board, we keep coming back to one truth: fans reward logic. Hardcore hits hardest when it’s earned. Returns land when they change the stakes. Title runs matter when they’re allowed to live. If AEW cools the weapons and clarifies the “why,” their big matches will feel massive again. If WWE keeps threading story through the War Games build and protects the right bodies, the cage should deliver in a different, smarter way. Listen, weigh in, and tell us where you stand on spectacle versus substance.

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Chapters

• 0:13 Setting The Stage For A Wild Week
• 0:44 AEW Blood And Guts: First Impressions
• 2:03 Women’s Match Logic And Roster Choices
• 5:15 Monet And Statlander: Do They Belong Here
• 10:55 Violence Creep And Desensitization In AEW
• 16:45 Men’s Blood And Guts: Hits, Misses, And OC
• 22:40 Live Crowd Magic Vs TV Experience
• 25:16 WWE Comparison: Making Big Matches Feel Rare
• 30:02 Hangman Vs Hobbs And Match Pacing
• 36:02 Booking Variety: AEW’s Edge, WWE’s Comfort
• 40:03 War Games Build: Missing Pieces And Speculation
• 47:20 Raw Highlights: Cena, Titles, And Tournaments
• 57:16 Cena’s Legacy Debate And Retirement Run
• 1:11:04 SmackDown Notes And Singles Aspirations
• 1:16:48 Cardona’s Return And LA Knight Talk
• 1:24:16 TNA Title Whiplash And NXT Run-In
• 1:34:24 Trick, Spears, And Finisher Talk
• 1:40:08 Santana’s Reign: Feel-Good Or Placeholder
• 1:50:20 Looking Ahead: Full Gear, War Games, Collabs
• 2:00:26 Closing: Comments, Likes, And Sign-Off

Transcript

SPEAKER_02: 0:13

Welcome to another episode of the Big Brothers of Destruction podcast. It's the Mazaku. It's your boy, Swag Switcher in the Building. And got dang it, boy, we got some shit to talk about in this wacky world of wrestling.

SPEAKER_00: 0:29

It's been a very, very interesting week.

SPEAKER_02: 0:33

Nigga, fuck that shit. Let's go straight to Dynamite, bro. I'm ready to talk about it because I need to hear your opinion. I know we briefly talk. Nah, blah, blah, blah, but here's the thing. Here's the thing. For everybody that hasn't had the chance, dynamite had blood and guts. Okay? We still gotta wait for the outcome of collision to see if anybody sold anything that happened. Okay. But the women's blood and guts, the men's blood and guts, I'll give it this much. Yes, these individuals put their body on the line to give us a spectacle. But some of it wasn't worth it. Some of the stuff that happened on there, I'm like, okay, who? I even I made a video on that. I had to finish it, I had to fix it. But I was like, who who did this? Why why did we need to do this? Why was this spot? Why does this person need to take this ball? There were so many things I was wondering during this match. But before we get really in depth into the whole match itself, what what was your thoughts going into this? Into dynamite, into blood and guts.

SPEAKER_00: 1:43

Alright, so let me let's cause I would say out of the two, the one that actually, no, I gotta take that back. Originally, out of the two, the one blood and guts match that made the most sense was the women's blood and guts match. Alright. I was alright with the women's blood and guts match with how everything had transpired. The girls who were originally included, they've been having all kinds of fights. They've had the plunder matches, spanking each other with spatulas, like they've they've been fighting and beating the hell out of each other for quite some time now. So it made sense. Until we had to put Mercedes into the map. Yes, because that was stupid. And actually it's funny because I saw a picture that Mercedes Modet posted and it said blood and guts, and it showed like she fucked up her finger.

SPEAKER_01: 2:51

I bro, I shit you not.

SPEAKER_00: 2:53

I shit you not. She posted it on the gram. No, she posted it on the Twitters, okay? She posted it on Twitter, and I almost swear it said blood and guts, and it's a picture of her, and it's like it's like her hand, and it's like her hand was like kind of fucked up a little. Not even her hand, it was her finger. Her finger was busted.

SPEAKER_02: 3:16

I better not find this photo. Bro, it's there. But I will find it later and send it to you.

SPEAKER_00: 3:22

I saw it in passing. But it's like her and Statlander they put into this match. And the only reasons why.

SPEAKER_02: 3:34

Well, but first we gotta let everybody know who was in the match. So we got the the triangle. Is it triangle of madness? It was the triangle of madness. We have uh Marina Shafir, we have Megan Bain, we had uh who was the last person of that group? And then Mercedes. Yeah, Mercedes. And then we had on the opposite side, we had um Willow and Willow and Chris Statlander. We also had Willow, Chris Statland. Uh Harley. We had uh Tony Storm and Mina.

SPEAKER_00: 4:07

Tony Storm and Mina. So, like when it comes to Triangle of Bat uh wait a second. You said Jamie Hayter, right? Did you throw her in there? No, I forgot Jamie Hayter. Yeah, Jamie Hayter. So there's certain pieces of this that I kind of get, alright? Because this really all started with Jamie Hayter and uh Queen Aminata. But Queen Aminata is hurt, okay? And so I believe who they used to replace her, I guess, was Tony Storm or something. No, Mina.

SPEAKER_02: 4:43

Or I guess they used Mina replace her. Can't remember her name, but her partner's Tony's Parter, yes.

SPEAKER_00: 4:55

So like I guess they used her to replace that. So on the well, starting with so on the opposite side with the bad guys, right? It was the Triangle of Madness, okay, which they've always been a part of this story. And then we had uh uh Megan Bain, who has been a part of the story as well.

SPEAKER_02: 5:13

Who to me in a blood and guts match, I was like, man, I didn't I I didn't that didn't make sense to me. What, her being in the match? Like in like okay, in the storyline aspect, yes, but like a character like Megan Bane, I I don't know why. It just I see like certain like monster characters like her in matches like this where she's like she's kind of like currently where um I see like Jade Cargill. Like they're doing the way they're doing her right now, she's very oh, look at me, but I'm not really gonna be doing shit because you know they don't know how to book me.

SPEAKER_00: 5:49

I mean, fair. That which is fair, but as far as and and honestly, I I can't agree with you. Like she I mean, outside of the fact that she also like did not follow the rules of like street fight where she came in her wrestling gear, but which which but it makes sense for her character though.

SPEAKER_02: 6:05

She's supposed to be this goddess, you know?

SPEAKER_00: 6:07

Yeah, which that which is fine, but like her in a blood and guts match is like uh okay. However, she did her thing in the match. No, as far as I'm concerned. That first drop kick that she kept donkey kick, boom. That shit was crazy. But uh her tag team partner, who she at least showed up, she uh she would have been into that match, but she was also injured, which then uh which makes sense why um Shafir was in the match because she's pretty much taking O Girl's place. Okay, and then it's like but then when you come down to the part of uh because who who am I forgetting here right now?

SPEAKER_02: 6:56

Okay, you got Triangle Maggie, you got Megan, Megan Payne, Megan Bane, and you also have uh Monet.

SPEAKER_00: 7:01

Uh and then uh and then so what so everyone that I said up until this point made sense until you get to Monet. Monet did not need to be in this match.

SPEAKER_02: 7:10

Especially, you know, the whole thing, the whole thing was we need to build up Chris Stat Lanner and Monet's match, because the minute Chris Stat Laner came out there and they showed the graphic, I was like, why are we doing that? Why? I don't WWE doesn't do that, and I'm glad they don't fucking do that. It's like, hey, we need to let you know this match is coming up like in two weeks. It's like, no, but the storyline is not involving that. It takes me out of the match so quickly those.

SPEAKER_00: 7:37

When they do those graphics, those two have absolute let me put it this way everything that happened in the match, if you took those two out, as a matter of fact, when you watch the match, those two take each other out through a table spot, through the table spot, and everything that happens moving forward could have easily happened literally without them. Literally, literally without them. The ending had nothing to do with them either the ending completely had nothing to do with them because the match had nothing to do with them.

SPEAKER_02: 8:16

Exactly. And then also, why is Chris Stat Laner and Willow Nightingale having their oh oh no, we're we're good. I'm not here to beat you up. I'm like, bro, are we still on this? It was never resolved. So not even that, but like you got this match coming up. Why the fuck are you not strategizing as a group? This is why the fucking heels won, because they seem like a fucking unit.

SPEAKER_00: 8:37

Because when you look at the good guys side, right? The people who were directly involved with the triangle of madness, madness, is Willow Nightingale, Harley, Jamie Hayter, and Queen Arminada. Queen Alminata was hurt, and so what was it? And so then we replaced her with Mina. But the thing is, Mina, actually, I can't even say we replaced her with Mina because I if I'm not mistaken, and I could be wrong, but I do believe Mina actually had a bit more to do with the triangle of madness in the at least during like some of the early parts of it. Potentially. Because of the fact, because during that time, uh, you know, Tony Storm, she was the champion and she was dealing with much better and funner things. More more necessary things. Now, Tony Storm kinda sorta has a little bit to do with it, only because of the fact that sh I won't even say she very extremely loosely because she did fight Tekla uh in that uh in the four-way match. Tekla was in that four-way match where she ultimately lost her title type thing. So there is that piece. And so with the people who ended up on the good guy's side, Tony Storm included, and I mean uh barely by the skin of teeth, does it make sense? Now, the only other reason, actually not the only other reason, and not because of the original story going into this, but of current, is the fact that I do believe Tony Storm and her tag team partner are supposed to be going up against Megan Bain and uh Wall Street.

SPEAKER_02: 10:26

Oh, yeah, yeah, because there's a tournament. Yeah. Because of the tournament. They tried to try to push it, push that narrative in a game.

SPEAKER_00: 10:31

So it's like there is ways where as a fan, or at least critical fans like us, can at least make it make sense enough for us to at least be like, uh, alright, whatever, it's cool. There's there's you know, if you're looking for the story in it all.

SPEAKER_02: 10:50

There was parts that I had to turn off my brain, but even then, my hands my hands were here the whole time, just like, bro, why I'm just doing that the whole time.

SPEAKER_00: 11:03

But ultimately, just to just just to get to the next part of all this, Monet and the women's champion, we could have had this whole blood and guts match without them.

SPEAKER_02: 11:19

Can we talk about how stupid it was that she gave all the girls her belts to use as weapons? It's the spot, bro. It's it's the spot. To me, that was like you were disgracing all those belts that have prestige, like, you know, whatever promotion or whatever, you're like, yo, we're just gonna use this. Disgrace. Yeah, I'm just saying, just throwing them around. Like, bro, do you also did you also see how many unprotected back of the head shots they deal with belts? Well, it is blood and guts, so you know Unprotected back of the head shots with belts?

SPEAKER_00: 11:50

So that shit will hurt worse than anything. I think ultimately, when it comes to the females blood and guts match, it was a spectacle. It was it was indeed a spectacle. It was it was a bunch of women who, for all intents and purposes, wanted to go out there and be like, hey, we can do what John Moxley and Darby Allen do too.

SPEAKER_02: 12:19

And honestly, in reality, you know, I I made this comment before. I said that the women often have the best hardcore matches, not the death matches, hardcore matches. This technically was a death match. Oh, 100%. But even then, like, you know, some of the things that they did in that match, I was like, wow. Like, I was desensitized by the time we went to the men in blood and guts. I was like, bro, I already saw the worst of it. And even the men's blood and guts was tamed. Bro, we saw somebody get hit in the face with a mirror. There was cacks on the floor already. Like, bro, so much going on in the women's one.

SPEAKER_00: 12:58

So, and I think that's another thing to really bring home about all of this. And I also want to put out there the fact that it's like the girls, yes, I think yes, they definitely comparedly speaking, the guys had an extremely heavy hardcore match compared to an actual death match in the women, all right? But the reason why both have to go so hard is because leading up to this, right? We've had damn near non-stop hardcore-esque matches for at least the last two months. And the problem with the way that AEW runs these things is the fact that to me they don't give these kind of matches the time to breathe. To the point where it's like, no, for all it like they are AEW is almost at a point where they're becoming just a softcore uh horror corn. Horror corn. No, no, no, well, no, not quite. No, that was just the I quit match. But but like AEW, it's like they're for some reason, like slowly transitioning to becoming just this uh like a indie deathmatch show. Because now this happens, right? Now we and we had this, you know, this big whole situation, and it's like at the next pay-per-view, we're gonna have Sabojo and in Hangman in a cage match.

SPEAKER_02: 14:48

You know, and and when you say that too, the whole thing.

SPEAKER_00: 14:51

We're also going to have Briscoe and the uh the the what is it and Kyle Fletcher in a no-dQ match. So obviously there's going to be uh more blood and guts there too. And so it's like they keep giving us this constantly over and over and over and over again to the point where just like when you would watch a deathmatch wrestling show, it's like, oh, okay, cool. It's blood.

SPEAKER_02: 15:24

They're beating each other with weapons. Alright, whatever. Let's remember this is also where this is the promotion where wrestling lives. Yes. And I'm not seeing any goddamn wrestling.

SPEAKER_00: 15:35

Well, that's because when they gave us nothing but wrestling, they got to the point where they could only give us so much more wrestling that it started getting boring. And so now they're like, fuck, it's getting boring. Uh bring out weapons. Fuck, they're getting bored. Bring out more weapons. Oh, they're getting bored. They're still trying to kill each other. Uh waterboarding. Yeah. And that's the problem. Could you imagine how much more impactful that women's uh uh blood and guts would have been if it was the last match? If well, not even if it was the last match. If imagine if when was the last pay-per-view for AW? I want to say three weeks ago? Three weeks ago. I'm sorry. Imagine if any it and granted, I feel as if we would need more, but imagine if after that last pay-per-view that we had, where we had the horror corn going on, or or the torture corn uh uh uh going on. Imagine if ever since then not one weapon was seen on AEW. Imagine if they starved us from these hardcore plunder matches since that pay-per-view. There has not been that there wasn't a drop of blood to have been shed since Darby Allen's match. Imagine if that would have happened. How much even more impactful and this is just across the board that this whole blood and guts thing would have been. How much more impactful it would have been. Because at that point, we haven't seen no blood, we haven't seen any plunder matches, you know, you know, we have we would not have seen anything. But since then, I'm pretty certain every single AEW show that has come on since then has had some kind of no DQ kind of match going on. Now, maybe not everyone bled every single time, but there has been plenty of blood to happen since then. But it's like they they're not starving us of these things, and therefore it's making these matches feel like we less care. We're going to start watching these matches like how your stereotypical, you know, uh person would watch a deathmatch. When you watch a deathmat wrestling show, if you've never watched a deathmatch wrestling show, the first time you see them start doing deathmatch shit, oh that's crazy. That's real crazy. But then as the show goes on, it's like, alright, this is I'm I'm used to it now. I've normalized to it. It's been normalized to me. And deathmatch, especially in the type of company like AEW, that kind of wrestling should be extremely special. And they're not making it special anymore.

SPEAKER_02: 18:39

Expect you know, and then thinking back to it, like the the match with the Willow Spray and Kyle Fletcher match, like man, that it was a feud ender. But like just imagine, like, if that was if that had the proper send-off of how that match was. It wasn't a death match, but it was very hardcore. It was.

SPEAKER_00: 18:56

But to that to that fact, there was like I think that particular match, wasn't that the same night that Tony Storm and uh uh what's her name had their full-on bloody wrapping glass in their hands and hitting each other with the glass-infested hands match? Yeah. When you have that kind of match, it takes away from that that fucking Hellin' or that cage match that they had. Now, granted, they were also doing a lot of over over uh uh uh saturating of like their finishing moves, you know, I drop you on your head, then you get right back up, I drop you on your head, get back up, I do my finisher, and then you do your finisher, and and then we both stand up after doing each other's finisher, and yeah, it was the crowd applauses and shit. You know, that there was the but but AEW has gotten better from that. At least, thank God. But it's like, but now where they but because they did all that in the past, you know, no it's that whole situation of you gotta train your audience. Well, they're trying to train us right now. WWE's got their audience very well trained. WWE, if they really wanted to like freaking like superbly wow us for whatever reason, like just out of nowhere, they could on their next pay-per-view be like, there's gonna be a hell in a cell match, and and two people are gonna be in it, and then they do. We would not know what the fuck, we would not we would not know how to react to that. We'd be like, oh shit. Exactly. You know why? Because we don't get that kind of stuff anymore. And then that hell in a cell match, because we just don't get that stuff as much as we, you know, as much as we do in AEW, it's gonna feel special. And we're gonna watch it anyway. And the other other half to that is the fact that going into the match, they're going to tack on a story that's gonna get us even more pulled into it. Because no matter how much people are gonna say it and try to deny it, the story is what makes the wrestling worth watching.

SPEAKER_02: 21:22

I you know, and that was what I was trying to do when I was going into these matches. It's like, what was the story? And, you know, with the women's match, you know, there was technically story there, and the ending and how it ended was like, okay, you're trying to showcase that Tony Storm's like whole MO is like protecting her friend right now, and it's basically another storyline that she's done already. I I could say this much the women gave their bodies, the guys gave their bodies. It was interesting to be a three-match show, too, by the way, but they those people definitely got their money's worth.

SPEAKER_00: 22:01

I now that I would say, and I feel one of the things that from watching this, one of the things that I told myself was that I feel like comparably speaking, I feel like I would get so much more out of AEW from just watching it live. Probably. As opposed to watching it on TV. Our friend uh Lord Zay, he's gone and seen AEW in person several times now, and he always tells me that whenever he goes to watch AEW live, the atmosphere is so amazing and it's so fun. Because when you're live, you're just in the moment of the wrestling. And whenever you watch wrestling live, the only thing that, you know, especially if you're watching an indie show live, the only thing that matters is the story that's being told to you right in front of your face. Now it does help if you know that there is an ongoing story prior, because then that brings even more light to the match, outside of the name of the person who's fighting type thing. But it's like outside of that, it's like when you don't have anything else to hold you to it, it's like but going back into the women's blood and guts match, I don't I don't let me say when it comes to both matches, as far as the match itself, I don't have any gripes with it. I do feel that with the women's blood, it's like with the women's blood and guts match, it felt like they were trying to make a statement. Yeah, they really were. There was a specific statement that was trying to be made.

SPEAKER_02: 23:52

They're more hardcore than the men, and they fucking are.

SPEAKER_00: 23:54

And though it was chaotic, to say the least, because of the nature of the match, it did not have to be, it did not have to be super cohesive and make a whole lot of sense. And and the way that it ended, I was perfectly happy with because I was so worried that Monet was going to leave her big stamp on this match and completely take away from all of the girls who this match was really about, which was literally everybody else but Monet and Statlander. So I'm glad that they got completely taken out of the picture so that the real stars of this match could get their shine. Now, because of injuries and stuff like that, because I feel bad for Queen Aminata because she need she really needed to be in this match because she made sense. And I do believe Queen Aminata would have placed would have replaced Tony Storm out of anybody who would have been there. Yeah because that would have made the most sense. And same with uh uh Penelope before, I feel like it like she also needed to be in this match, but replacing the uh Tony Storm and then and then bringing in Shafir, I do believe that it it did the thing where the the main people in this match got their story in and what made sense, but then to also still progress another story going on with the people who kind of sort of didn't have anything to do with this match, being Shafir and Tony Storm, the thing happened, and I'm like, this works.

SPEAKER_02: 25:49

You could tell how much Shafir wasn't really into it, because like after the match, the thing didn't, the bell rings, and the girls just jump Tony and Shafir just like that's I was like, that is a little awkward. That was like, yeah, that's how my reaction was was like, what is the shit that we just watched?

SPEAKER_00: 26:08

And then after they like kind of like jumped at the end, like like they're kicking Tony Storm and like Tony it like one of those things where like like Shafir was like hitting Tony Storm a couple of times, but Tony Storm was like completely no selling it. Yeah, like like bitch, we're done. Like so like that that that was a little weird to me. Yeah, but but uh like for all it's like ooh, was the was that supposed but did she do did she go out of turn?

SPEAKER_02: 26:35

Did she uh but uh all I gotta say is man the the fact that we have to have a women's and a men's versions of these match, and then we're even doing it in WWE, it really desensitizes you from like, okay, you just watched one of them. And honestly, if we would have just got the women's one that night, I would have been perfectly fucking fine because that was the the right amount of violence I needed.

SPEAKER_00: 27:09

Not not only that, but it was like out of the two, that one was the one that was not forced. Yes. Like, this one literally had been building up for ages. Yeah. Now, in a hindsight look, as we now go into the men's blood and guts, right?

SPEAKER_02: 27:28

We even gonna talk about Hangman and and Powerhouse.

SPEAKER_00: 27:31

Yeah, I mean, that match was whatever.

SPEAKER_02: 27:33

Uh they did the Royal Rumble, uh, the Royal Rumble 1999, Mankind and uh Rock ending. A little oh yeah, because of the lights and shit, yeah.

SPEAKER_00: 27:44

Now I will the one thing I will say about that match, and it's one of the things that I'm like why I'm like uh really getting behind the cowboy, which is crazy, because I in the very beginning of AEW, I didn't give a fuck about Hangman Picture, bro.

SPEAKER_02: 28:02

I didn't either, because he drank milk where as um No, wait, it wasn't him. No, it was uh Omega that drank milk, never mind. Go ahead. Like, but like I like I didn't give a fuck about what was that? That was this.

SPEAKER_00: 28:14

Oh, I'm like uh from here it sounded like a like a guitar. I'm like, excuse me? Are you about to Elias me? Hit me with the with the goddamn uh or or or uh hit me with the fucking double J. Ha ha! Like right in the head. But um I have to give it to Hangman because I feel only Hangman can have a match between two matches of this caliber and hold the crowd the way that he did.

SPEAKER_02: 28:51

Somebody else said that shit in the comment section, and I saw that too. That says, only after a match like that can Hangman keep with the crowd okay.

SPEAKER_00: 29:01

Like usually when you when you because you see it all the time, when you have a big, exciting match like that, the crowd is like, alright, next match, boom, they fucking die.

SPEAKER_02: 29:13

But hangman and Hobbes It was slow enough that it did you didn't need too much energy to watch that match.

SPEAKER_00: 29:20

No, and and and then it and and then it may even with the match being a non-title match at that, like only Hangman has the ability to make to take a complete match that means absolutely fuck Diddly Squad nothing and still make it kind of worth watching and make you kind of care. Which I gotta Hangman, he he I told you.

SPEAKER_02: 29:49

Hold on, man, give give powerhouse some props to my my guy. Even though, listen, even though I don't like how and I I can see why Mark Henry's pissed at this, he doesn't like it that there he Uh he gave Powerhouse his world's strongest slam. He gave him the move. He did? Yeah, he gave him the move.

SPEAKER_00: 30:06

Okay.

SPEAKER_02: 30:06

But they're not calling it the world's strongest slam, they're calling the world's dangerous slam. And Mark is pissed. Really? Because he's like, well, because you diminished my move. It's supposed to be the world's strongest slam. Now, when you say it's the world's dangerous slam, then you diminish my version. A little, yeah. I mean. And then plus I passed it down to the like think of Kevin, like Owen Hart. Granted, it's not the Stone Cold Stunner. It's still the Stunner.

SPEAKER_00: 30:35

So I agree. But at the same time, the reason why I disagree. The reason why I can almost be like he should relax and be okay with it is because of the difference between someone doing a spear and somebody doing the gore. Cause like now, if Powerhouse Hobbs does the world's dangerous slam, it has been now well noted that when someone kicks out, it's obviously not as good as Mark Henry does it. Because no one normally kicked unless you are the greatest of great, no one's kicking out of the world's strongest slam. And for all intents and purposes, Powerhouse Hobbs couldn't do a world strongest slam if he wanted to. You know why? Because he's not the world's strongest man. But no, I uh no powerhouse Hobbs, he he did his thing that match. Busted his ass literally.

SPEAKER_02: 31:46

But that moment when he did do the slam on the steps, though, I felt for Hammond, bro. I was like, oh, that was that wasn't back, it was all here. It was more back. Oh, he's gonna reverse that. Boom! Ooh. And he was on camera. I told you I was gonna hurt you. And I was like, I see what you're doing. You're not Hall of Pain, Mark Henry, but I see what you're doing. Listen. You're trying to be that, you know, hard body. But you know, the fact that I will say this much about AEW too, and this is what anybody can say about it, and it's what gives AEW its flair. There is always variety in every match that's going on in uh AEW. You might get some technical wrestling, you might get some comedy wrestling, you might get your death match, you might get your hardcore match. But in WWE, it's kind of always just one style. You know what I'm saying? At least with AEW, there's variety.

SPEAKER_00: 32:46

So that I can easily give you. Now, I can easily give that to you, and and I can and there's and the reasons why is because where AEW for all intents and purposes now has no choice but to fucking try and get something going. WWE is sitting in a position where they don't have to. Yeah. They used to give us variety. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? Like they they used to mix shit up, but it's like they are they're at this point of corporate where they're like, we're getting paid so much money, we don't have to do we don't have to do a whole bunch because everyone's going to get it. And I don't want to go too far off on a tangent, but like a a fantastic comparison, and this goes out to our nerds out there, a great comparison to WWE right now is the Pokemon Company and Nintendo. Pokemon as a franchise makes so much money. I do believe I saw like on the list, if Pokemon is number one, and then like Mickey Mouse is number two, and then there's somebody else right under Mickey Mouse. They make more than Mickey Mouse? Let me put it this way if Mickey Mouse and whoever the third place person is combined their powers, they if I'm not mistaken, they still don't. And if they do, they barely beat Pokemon. That's how high up in the upper echelon Pokemon.

SPEAKER_02: 34:33

So they they they eating like Elon Musk and type shit, like money, like why?

SPEAKER_00: 34:37

They are they are wiping their ass with money and then pissing on it.

SPEAKER_02: 34:43

Oh, they're like, fuck, I got so much money, I know what to do with it. Correct. Okay.

SPEAKER_00: 34:47

And so with the way with that, Pokemon, when it comes to their games, they don't have to try. Kind of like WWE.

SPEAKER_02: 34:58

You know what? I see what you're saying now, because almost until this new one I saw, every Pokemon game, same shit, new mechanic.

SPEAKER_00: 35:08

And even then, it's not even a new mechanic. It's a new gimmick at that. It's more so a new gimmick. Blue and red, yellow and white.

SPEAKER_02: 35:18

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00: 35:20

But it's like Pokemon, they're out here, you know, they'll put together a game, and then it's like when they put it together, they don't have to put their heart and soul into it. You know what I'm saying? To put into a perspective, right? I believe when you look at, like, what's the game right now you're playing right now?

SPEAKER_02: 35:45

Sengoku Dynasty?

SPEAKER_00: 35:48

How many gigs is that game? I'd say seven gigs. It's seven? I'd say seven. Okay. So and you see how much is kind of but you but there's a lot of substance and there's a decent amount of stuff put into it. Now, and then if you look at a game like uh Call of Duty?

unknown: 36:06

Sure.

SPEAKER_00: 36:08

You can say Call of Duty or or even maybe like some of these fighting games with the really nice graphics, you know what I'm saying? Like there's they're usually on a more higher end of gigs kind of thing. Because they and they have so much pumped into it. When it comes to Pokemon, the newest Pokemon game, right? It's it's like 10 gigs. Alright. And then compared to the last game, where it was like super duper open world, and I'm talking like you can travel far and wide and go to all these different areas, like it's a really big map. But this game, you go from big super open world to just one city. It's just one city. In the new Pokemon? Yes, it's one city. Now, granted. It is fun, and I personally do still enjoy it. It's gotta be a big ass city. It is a bigger big city, but compared to the last Pokemon game, not even close to size. The last Pokeball game, uh, what was that? Scarlet and Violet, extremely larger. But it's one of those things where they made so much money and they continue to make so much money, they've kind of sort of, and a lot of people are starting to catch them on this shit, they're noticing that, like, hey, you know, y'all could make a better game. Like, this could be a lot better. And especially, which is why I was complimenting on your wife playing Power World in there, right? If you look at Power World, Power World compared to the last Pokemon game, which is around the time when uh the last Pokemon game came out, Power World is like upwards in gigs. Power World has the same mechanics as the current Pokemon game right now, where it's like a live where you're fighting in live action. But Power World does three times as much stuff and has ten times more area to traverse than what this Pokemon game does. Which is probably the reason why a lot of the Power World and Pokemon are button heads, because Pokemon is looking at Power World like you're fucking up the way we look right now. Cause sure we could do that, but then we'd have to pay people. And we want to make money, not spend money. Now, of course, with that being said, you know, PowerWorld is from an indie company, and they've they've they gotta do it. They are the equivalent of getting it out of the mud. Exactly. But it's like going back to with WWE and stuff, you know, rounding up this comparison is the fact that like WWE is in this space where they're all like, we can give them slop and they're still going to watch it, they're gonna buy the merch because they want to see the characters that we have. You know what I'm saying? If if Cody Rhodes is our Pikachu, you know what I'm saying, or you know, like we we want to see the Cody Rhodes. Regardless of how you give it to us, we still want to see it. You know what I'm saying? And then it's like, and how they uh how how they make us want, sure, we'll we'll bring back an old Pokemon that we haven't let y'all see, and we'll make a Mega Evolve. Cool. Now now I'm Starvy. There you go. Yeah, exactly. Now you got Mega Evolve Star me. Woo! Look how much fun that is now. And it's like the only way Pokemon is probably going to change or react or do anything to become better is the same way, the only way that WWE is going to change or react and become better. And there's two options. Either AEW or PowerWorld just gets better. Yeah, you see where that's going. Or we as consumers stop fucking buying.

SPEAKER_02: 40:36

Which they're getting really close to that because I'm ticket sales, too.

SPEAKER_00: 40:40

Funny enough, comparably speaking, yes, because Pokeball games give us this small amount of game for 80 bucks out here. It's 80? Bro. It's not so 60 has always been the Yeah, no, no, no. Video games are 80 bucks going on 100 nowadays, bro.

SPEAKER_02: 41:00

Yes. This is why.

SPEAKER_00: 41:02

Yes. This is why I haven't bought really new, a lot of new games, and I just and and yes, because because they're very expensive, like WWE is, and there's not a whole lot of substance that they're putting into it.

SPEAKER_02: 41:13

A lot of DLC that you gotta purchase.

SPEAKER_00: 41:15

Yes, yeah. DLC microtransactions. Is that in Pokemon 2? Not yet. Well, actually, I can't even say that because it's like with the new game, there is mega stones and mega evolutions that you can't acquire until you buy the DLC. And the problem is, and unfortunately, I am part of the problem. I'm buying that I'm buying the DLC because I want my mega evolution Pikachu.

SPEAKER_02: 41:51

And therefore, you are literally just like WWE. We're gonna give you slop and you're still gonna fucking buy it.

SPEAKER_00: 41:57

It's it's a problem. Because once again, I it's it's the whole thing where it's like, man, I would love to not want to watch it and make it hurt their pockets, but I kind of like Cody Rhodes. And the only way I'm gonna be able to see Cody Rhodes is for watching, look at WWE shit. So until Pikachu and Raichu goes over to Power World, maybe they'll keep getting my money, I guess. It's it's the worst.

SPEAKER_02: 42:29

You know, it's interesting you say that because I'm thinking about WWE. Is there one wrestler right now outside of Penta that I'm like, man, I gotta watch every and when Pinta first came, I was watching Raw. I was at that bitch. The the the minute Netflix, I was there. Okay, I was there. When Pinta first came, I was in that doom. When's Penta coming out, bitch? And then now it's like, oh, he's not here this week, he's not here this week, oh he's being jobbed this week. Okay, so I am not as like, or I be right in front of Raw immediately. There's no wrestler currently in WWE that is pulling me in that deep pause. Um besides, you know, I I did pop for seeing Zach Ryder. I did pop for seeing Zach Ryder. I'm gonna get to that when we talk about WWE next. Um, we did kind of get a little away from the men's blood and guts match. But what is there about the men's blood and guts match? Um Orange fucking Cassidy, my guy. That that is whoange Cassidy. While they say Kyle O'Reilly was the MVP, and it's only because he bled buckets.

SPEAKER_00: 43:38

Yeah, buckets.

SPEAKER_02: 43:40

To me, he wasn't the MVP. To me, it's always Orange Cassidy. It should always be Orange Cassidy. I don't know what it is because he's a comedy wrestler, but he's a comedy wrestler who can fucking wrestle. That's the issue. Like, if you know, like say, okay, say Joe Henry, okay. I am not a big fan of his wrestling style. I know he's not technically a comedy wrestler, but he has a comedy like song or whatever.

SPEAKER_00: 44:07

He's a he's got his gimmick is uh more comedic.

SPEAKER_02: 44:11

Yeah. And the same thing for Orange Cassidy. He's supposed to be a guy who doesn't give a fuck, but when he's in that goddamn ring, bro, he's every time he just makes it fucking fun. And so, yeah, they did a spot at some point where they stapled his hands to his fucking pants, which your boy uh Johnny, that nigga was mad about that boy. Really? Yeah, because while I watched the uh fucking after show, and then there was the part where you know he does the kip up and he pops his hands out. He was like, that was fucking stupid. You know how big them fucking staples gotta be?

SPEAKER_03: 44:45

Oh yeah, I forgot the turn number. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02: 44:50

He was like, you know how big them fucking staples gotta be to actually connect his hand up. So to me, it was stupid. It was stupid. I was like, damn, bro. I was like, I mean he right, though, but it was like, come on, man. Like, that was a part of it, it was like, alright, man, we get it. We get it, but like, we're here for the ride, bro. The realistic nature of this shit is you turn your brain off for a second.

SPEAKER_00: 45:11

Yeah, you have to. Especially with a match like this, you gotta turn it off. Yeah, because we got niggas in here literally jabbing each other with shanking each other with forks.

SPEAKER_02: 45:20

Yes. And a man is literally being choked with chain, bulled bull, bully choked, and still saying, Fuck you. You know what I'm saying? Like, how do you just No?

SPEAKER_00: 45:32

No. Yeah, that's crazy. No, especially when you look at how that was and then how it ended.

SPEAKER_02: 45:42

Moxley tapping twice is crazy. Twice? This is like his third time. Still crazy. So I think the story is um it's supposed to be like, you know, John Moxley talks all this shit, and then the you know, writers show up and he's the reason why they lose.

SPEAKER_00: 45:58

So some people are saying they're gonna be losing in the clutch a lot.

SPEAKER_02: 46:01

Yeah, so they're saying that the story is gonna be, you know, they're gonna come up to him like, yo, you keep making us lose. You you can't be leader no more. Which is where that should go. Yeah. And hopefully ends the deaf writers.

SPEAKER_00: 46:14

Oh, that'd be great. Yeah. Or or put Pac in charge of the tank.

SPEAKER_01: 46:18

Honestly, man, you see how Pat was looking in that goddamn match. My man was hiding his muscles in his tank top.

SPEAKER_00: 46:25

Bro. Barely. Bruh. Bruh. Bruh. I was I was streaming while watching the pay-per-view because it they was running into my usual streaming time on Wednesdays. Which is at 10 o'clock for anyone who wants to watch, Twitch, Swag Switcher, you know. But like, as I'm watching, which I now want to go back and like look at that stream, because I'm explaining the shit that I'm seeing on stream, and it probably sounds like I'm explaining like people killing each other. Cause while watching was when Pac took him up to the top, Gabe Kidd, it comes out, it interferes, and they throw him into the table. You're talking about uh uh Darby Allen, yeah. And not only, but it's like after he gets put through the table, you legitimately see him actually on fire.

SPEAKER_02: 47:20

Which was wild. It was a brief moment, too. Like the f I and I and I hate to be this person, but when he touched the flame, the flame really went out after the first spin. It was just like his pants really got caught. No, no, no, no.

SPEAKER_00: 47:35

If you look back, he actually had fire on his back. Yeah, yeah, but that's what I'm saying. After the first spin, it was gone. Well, no, no, no, no. So it's like when he went through, it was like boom, he gets up, you see the fire. Yeah. And then as he crawls away, the fire is still there on his back. Yeah, but it was on the butt. No, no, no. It was on the back. Oh, the back? Okay. He literally, like, like, literally, it was like this, like he had flames still going until they did they didn't even fire extinguish that nigga, bro.

SPEAKER_02: 48:06

That's what I was saying. Which is crazy. They did not do that.

SPEAKER_00: 48:09

They just threw a they threw like a blanket on him or whatever.

SPEAKER_02: 48:11

That was a uh a fire blanket then. So that kills it better than a fire extinguisher. And so it was like just very scratchy feeling.

SPEAKER_00: 48:18

Yeah, so it's like that happens, and I was just like, like, I literally like, oh my god, I literally just saw a man be put on fire in the middle of a wrestling match.

SPEAKER_02: 48:27

I mean, he almost threw a Molotov at one of the motherfuckers, so he wouldn't be the first. I mean, this this is also true.

SPEAKER_00: 48:33

But like when it comes to the men's one, number one, what takes me out of it is the fact that I'm just tired of Death Riders. Alright, so there's that piece. And then when it comes to the conglomeration. I fucking love the theme song though. When it comes to the conglomeration being a part of this, it was rushed. It was rushed. And they kind of like kind of sort of did the thing where it's all like, well shit, if the girls got one, we need to make one for the men's, kind of thing. And that's really stupid. Yes, and that's kind of sort of all that I got out of it. Really, to be honest. Like stupid, and we want to make a woman's one too. The match, the men's one's one, excuse me. The men's one was okay. And then I did you ever see the video of uh uh Briscoe talking after the after the match?

SPEAKER_02: 49:22

Yeah, uh which is why you probably shouldn't give him a microphone, okay? When him talking after the match, it's like every baby, baby, thank y'all so much, baby, baby, baby, baby. But you know, you gotta remember he is a country boy who he has a chicken farm. So you can't.

SPEAKER_00: 49:39

But but it's not even just that. It's the uh when you when you listen to what he says, kind of thing, right? It's like in my mind, I'm like, well, why did you have to go out of your way to make that statement? Like, why did you it's like it's like what you're talking about? Because at the end of the match, and I think this was like something like after the fact, like when the show went on, yeah, yeah. It's like with what he was kind of saying, it's kind of like, you know, like, hey, you know, you're not gonna see stuff like this anywhere else but here, and all this other stuff. And it's like, why do you have to pay attention to that?

SPEAKER_02: 50:28

You know why? Because literally in two weeks or whatever the time frame is, you're literally going to see the same concept at WWE. You forget, and this is why I was telling you motherfuckers in the video about West Side Gun, bitch, this is war. This is war. This is not play play. We're not friends, we are enemies, we are beefing, nigga. So anything they do, we do it better. Why do you fucking think we have blood and guts on a Wednesday, nigga? Like, it made no sense. They couldn't do a pay-per-view in time, they couldn't do it in full gear because full gear is after Survivor Series. So they say, you know what? We're gonna put our war games in front of you and we're gonna show you how it's better. So now when we watch war games, Survivor series, we're gonna go in there thinking it's gonna be so fucking tame because it is, it's not gonna be what AEW did. No, it's war in this bitch.

SPEAKER_00: 51:24

And and I and actually, I mean, honestly, you kind of put it in a really good perspective on that piece. Cause for me, it was all like, why do you like because in my mind at that time, which you for all Tensor Pros, you kind of answered it. Because I'm like, why do you feel that you have to justify what just happened on this show so badly? Like, just let the shit speak for itself. Like, why do you why why is it that you have to feel like you need to let everyone know that, hey, listen, what you saw here right now, you're only gonna see this here. Because that's how we do things around these parts, kind of thing.

SPEAKER_02: 52:07

And you want me to give you another reason why? Because the Briscoe's actually tried out in WWE and they told him no. But there's a re but there there's there's an obvious reason, so that's what I'm saying. For Briscoe, he's always gonna have beef with that.

SPEAKER_00: 52:24

When it comes to the Briscoes, as a black man, I wasn't sure if I was allowed to actually like the Briscoes. Yeah, because they because I they Confederate flag and having a like I remember like when I first heard about them, I looked them up, and they're whole gear from head to toe, full Confederate flag, and that's a red flag, literally.

SPEAKER_02: 52:48

And then at first, my other thing was the reach for the sky boy shit, and then I found out the only reason why he did that was because his daughter really likes Toy Story. So then I was like, alright, you know what? I fuck with you, J.

SPEAKER_00: 53:01

It wasn't until literally, maybe like a two years before. Now, great, because I also never like tried to follow them. Yeah, I never followed Ring of Honor shit. So it's like I don't know much about the Briscoes. I will give them this much.

SPEAKER_02: 53:15

Jay Briscoe, he could cut a fucking promo, my nigga. And it'd be like, okay, you know how um Dark Dark Side or whatever, they'll cut that little gutter ass promo and shit. When Jay did it, he did it and he gave it substance. Think of a CM Punk promo, but with some hood in it.

SPEAKER_00: 53:37

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02: 53:38

It made you feel at the same time.

SPEAKER_00: 53:42

Which it wasn't until they and FTR started having their little things going on.

SPEAKER_02: 53:49

Yes.

SPEAKER_00: 53:50

It wasn't until then where I decided to actually really lock in to look at uh the Briscoes. Because like I've heard stuff about them before, and it's like I've seen small splurts of them, and I was like, like honestly, for a good minute, I thought they were actually black because of how fucking tan they was. I mean, honestly, from the way that they act, Jay is pretty much a nigga. I'm sorry. Like the closest of a nigga you can get. From the way that they act and the way that they looked, and like with how dark they was, like, I was like, are these dudes black or are they mixed? And then I even thought he was light skinned, I'm dead! And then it's like when I finally like really looked at him, and I was like, I did like a quick, like a hard look of their stuff, and now I'm seeing like, oh no, they're just they're just in that weird space of like country but trailer park trash, but also ghetto. Yeah. And then like, but then it's like, but then they got all this this Confederate shit all over the place, and I'm like, oh, I'm gonna just back away. And then I just left it alone until when them and FTRs like very first started doing their little beefing and talking back and forth, and I'm like, okay, no, these guys aren't that bad. And then I also had to do the whole thing, I'm like, listen, I understand what black Twitter and black culture says about the Confederate flag and stuff like that, and you know, you can't trust, but at the but at the same time.

SPEAKER_02: 55:18

It's also a it's one of those, it's also a culture of what the flag means to them. And so it's like always that type shit.

SPEAKER_00: 55:26

Exactly. So it's like I I've I've long since put the whole Confederate flag situation behind me. I don't I don't I don't care about the flag type thing, type deal. And and and I understand why country people rock the Confederate flag as far as their whole country bit to it and stuff like that. You know, because like I actively in my family have very country people who, you know, who used to wear the camo or well, who wear the camo flag camo and they have the Confederate flag and all this other stuff, but it's like they treat me with the utmost respect and they love me and they've done plenty of things for me. And so it's all like these people are not the flag type thing. They're not what they they're they're looking at the flag in a completely different meaning past what it originally meant, type deal. So I'm like, whatever. And so I ended up doing that for myself how towards the Briscoes, how you know, later on down the line. But unfortunately for me, that also meant I ended up missing out on really enjoying the Briscoes in their totality, and uh and and now homie has passed on and may he return.

SPEAKER_02: 56:52

A perfect way you can watch a good I mean anything Jay Briscoe did back in the day was great, but Jay Lethal versus Jay Briscoe, best in the world. Watch that shit. That's all you gotta do. That that is that is the best of the best. That promo just but the whole bill between Jay Briscoe and Jay Lethal, that was when I said Jay Lethal is my like I already said that when he was black Mo Cheese Mo, but when he was in the house of truth and he was going for that world title, bro, that was the best work of Jay Lethal ever. Agreed. Ever.

SPEAKER_00: 57:32

I agree.

SPEAKER_02: 57:33

Ever, man. And that was a lot of people.

SPEAKER_00: 57:34

I did not watch a lot of it, hearing it vicariously through homies. Uh yeah, he that was the golden age of uh Wes's name. God damn it.

SPEAKER_02: 57:47

You remember how you said you got tears from watching Cody almost? I know I had tears from watching J Lethal win that belt. It was it was something, man. It was a really special moment. And I got to see it live, though, like through the whole build. Yes, I got to see that live. So I think that's what made it more for me. But rest in peace, Jay Brooks go, man. It's like one of those situations, man. It's like, damn, man, fuck. Either way, um, so when we talk about that men's match, um, yeah, I was kind of mad too, because like uh Orange Cassie, like you had the mic, you didn't know what to fuck to say. You said fuck you, give it a brisk out of all people. Give it okay, give it a young. All right, got it. Got it. You picked the wrong nigga, you know, but it is what it is. Mark is gonna be Mark, you know. Uh we respect Mark. He's a wrestler, he's a competitor. He he he's a chill dude. I've met him at uh a wrestling event before. Um, but it was here in Florida one time. But either way, uh Dynamite man, very interesting show. Three matches, three hours, pretty much almost every match, as if not 45 minutes. Yeah, pretty much. And in the commercials and stuff, so which I find it weird. It's how we're giving it pay-per-view ass matches, and then we gotta like wait through commercials. So, you know, they got those moments like, all right, we're guys were on a commercial.

SPEAKER_00: 59:11

I can only imagine what it would have looked like straight through. Because it's like whenever they came back from commercial, it's not like they showed us what happened. No, during the commercial.

SPEAKER_02: 59:22

Because if you have fight, you know, you you just keep watching it. Oh, really? Yeah, if you got fight, that's how, like, if you watch it on the website, you know, that I tell you about? Um that's why there was never a commercial, it's just straight. Because if you have fight.

SPEAKER_00: 59:35

I've never yeah.

SPEAKER_02: 59:36

Okay, that okay, that checks now. Yeah, but if you watch it on T you watch it on the regular station, it will show commercials, but on fight, they just keep fucking going.

SPEAKER_00: 59:45

Fair enough. All right. Okay. Noted. Now now that now that I have that tidbit of knowledge, now shifting from shift shifting from blood and guts to ward.

SPEAKER_02: 1:00:00

games. First off, we gotta talk about how good Raw was. Raw was amazing.

SPEAKER_00: 1:00:04

Yeah, Raw was a slapper. Raw was a fucking banger. Raw was a slapper freaking. Now I will say they are definitely suffering what AEW kinda was, but with both war game matches because they're like, all right, uh slap slap. Alright, these are the war games.

SPEAKER_02: 1:00:30

We're still missing um two people for each team though.

SPEAKER_01: 1:00:34

Not quite.

SPEAKER_02: 1:00:35

I thought we were 4-4 right now.

SPEAKER_00: 1:00:37

Well on SmackDown, the other oose has joined the team. Did you not watch Smackdown? Yeah, I did.

SPEAKER_02: 1:00:43

I know I'm saying because like only the vision has Drew um well Drew. Drew is in there. Wait, did I miss something? Yes Drew McIntyre came out. Nigga, did you not see fucking uh Najus come out and say, what the fuck is he doing? He's a you said anybody.

SPEAKER_00: 1:01:01

You said anybody oh wait uh at the end of SmackDown I didn't I legit I literally watched all of Smackdown but the last we were talking about it's four because it's the bronze Paul and Drew so if you got the Usos you got you know Cody you got Punk who is the four who's the fifth ah okay so that's what they're saying currently it's supposed to be Roman that might be doing it on the the good guys the faces and in the heels they've been hinting either Brock Lesnar or Austin theory which obviously that means it's pro that would be so weird if it's it would make sense for alright going on just what the vision represents it should be Austin it should be Austin theory going on what's best for business and by what's best for business I mean what's best for making the most money out of garbage. It's Brock Lesnar so let's see where they're going to go if they're going to give the young talent some shine or if they're just going to fatten their pockets with this heavily star studded war games match which by the way if it is Brock he will be the last one out of their group going in that ring.

SPEAKER_02: 1:02:34

Of course he will be the last one where would we have expected Brock Lesnar to be anything short of last yeah yeah yeah I'm just saying if they if they don't do that and they make him first I will be shocked. Ain't no fucking way he's correct but I would be shocked um so yeah we only have four on both sides right now okay and then the women's is well from what Charlotte has said she is not going to be a part of this because she doesn't like teaming up with Rhea Ripley she said the idea of that is stupid because of the history between them two and I like that segment I fucking enjoyed that because it's story goddammit it's literally like yo we we got beef but I don't like this bitch why would I team with this bitch I know we're faces but yo Alexa you're my friend this bitch isn't and I'm not gonna be a part of this which I know what they're gonna do they're gonna build it up where Alexa and them are having issues and Charlotte's gonna be like well I gotta say my friend and you know that's how she's gonna be the match and which at that point and that's the thing that AEW still has not figured out how to do they're building this like the way they are is giving us even more of a reason why sure they did absolutely slap both of these together real quickly however though it's been slapped together just you know all this way and that way at least there is there is substance and reasons why for each person to actually want to do what it is that needs to be done in this match.

SPEAKER_00: 1:04:24

Yeah and at this point as far as that goes I'm perfectly good with that yeah because I personally when they came out there last Raw and they had that little bit and by the way those those last two segments we just talked about won't smack now my bad but continue but so it's like yeah like on Raw when they did do the whole thing where they came out there and helped out and stuff like that in my mind I was like it crossed my mind because I was like Rhea Ripley and and and Charlotte like they got like unresolved tension to a certain degree like like they've they've gone blow to blow with each other and last I checked I think Rhea is up on on Charlotte because she took the belt from Charlotte so it's like hmm I wonder how this is going to work and then you know what they did on SmackDown? Big up I like what you did there and so what they did on SmackDown it answered the personal question that I had in my mind like all right so how are they gonna coincide with each other?

SPEAKER_02: 1:05:28

Because I know at least Rhea and Rippy and uh and and and Ogir are uh and uh and Charlotte are friends and they answered that question and now I'm interested I'm very interested um before we before we gotta get to I'm just gonna put out the things that happened on Raw John Cena's appear uh John Cena's appearance him winning the Intercontinental title Stephanie Valkyrie versus uh Raquel Rodriguez for the title and then we had Seamus versus uh Shinsuke Nakamura for the the last time is now tournament and then also Rusev and Damien for that match and then we had it where the Kabuki Warriors won the title the tag titles so just putting that out there it was a stellar match it was it was that now as you say that like Ra was really fucking stacked yeah yeah yeah like almost unnecessarily stacked but in a good way because we need that right now I mean you didn't like what John Cena won the belt though. Yeah I was trying to like like not go into all of that trying to skip through it I was happier I feel as if my video should have spoken enough and nah I was happy about that my man's a grand slam champion bro you know saying it's the last time bro give give it to him bro let him let him get one there's niggas out who got double grand slam champions Triple H Seth Rollins okay the motherfuckers got two time grand slam and we talked about John Cena I never had one one give a man one how can you be the greatest of all time without a grand slam come on out gotta have one by not actually being the greatest of all time one of but I'm not gonna go back into that whole glazing situation and stuff but it's like oh uh whatever I I'm gonna just I'ma just I'm gonna leave it at whatever because I I don't want to get into it I'm I'm trying to save all I got to say about this John Cena run for when it's over I will I will say though it was dumb as fuck that my man did a frog splash and he just flips and eat I'm like did you just eat that shit? Like did you not you just ate that shit and just once again bro okay like I when is his last match? Um December 8th um also Cody wants to start doing that shit whenever John is done. What he wants to start doing the superhuman strength shit that Cena used to do that Cena does what when is his last match again I think it's December 8th or 13th or some shit like that.

SPEAKER_00: 1:08:10

It's the it's because it's in December I will revisit all it is after that match.

SPEAKER_02: 1:08:19

Once you cry like me bro because that man's done I wish I could say that I would but there's no reason for me to should it it it's because it's that part of us that reminds us that we're getting old my nigga you gotta remember we saw this man start and now we're seeing this man finish the lap okay sure so a part of us as as we we were kids when we saw that man now we're adults seeing him saying bye. It's the same thing with Undertaker like you've always seen Undertaker you've always seen Undertaker and now you are never seeing that man in the ring again so yes I can kind of agree but the difference between the last time I saw Undertaker in the ring and probably the last time we're going to see John Cena in the ring is that leading up to it there was so much going on that there was a reason for it.

SPEAKER_00: 1:09:29

Now let me also clarify to me Undertaker retired when he had his match against Roman Reigns at WrestleMania in Orlando and when Undertaker left his shit in the middle of the ring and walked off so you say fuck the AJ match yeah I won't say fuck the AJ match but like those feelings that you're talking about that you're saying that I should have I felt that when that happened okay and the and and then when you look at the stuff that happened prior leading to it the story that was kind of being told whether if it was being told on purpose or not because just prior Undertaker had his whole situation where he fought Brock Lesnar and he lost so it's like boom the streak is done. Okay Undertaker did whatever he had but then it was like didn't he have that Bray Wyatt match next though?

SPEAKER_02: 1:10:37

What was it after the Roman went? That I'm not too certain.

SPEAKER_00: 1:10:43

Yeah I could have sworn he went against Bray and then the Roman match maybe he did I I I have to look but it's just one of those things where there was going into this point and whatnot where that happened there was the whole thing of there was a whole situation of like damn this is looking like it could be Taker's last last situation but then there was like that possible hope and then when the match that had took place that took happen and how you know there was the back and forth and Roman Reigns kind of sort of was kind of doing his whole thing of like nah fam you're done you're washed I'm gonna take you out type deal and it was like there was there was uh there was a bit more of a emotion for me at that time and then it was like it happened when it once the match was done and the way things looked there was that whole bit of like oh fuck this really might be it.

SPEAKER_02: 1:11:49

Well I think also is a fact too because when you look at Taker and you look at Cena Cena looks like body wise he still can go Taker at that time yes definitely looked like grandfather should be like chilling and he was kind of looking beat and he was but it's like that also kind of added but that added to that story type and and then I guess there's which is also another thing when it comes to this John Cena situation.

SPEAKER_00: 1:12:12

It's like though that was not his finish that was almost like his implied retirement kind of thing.

SPEAKER_02: 1:12:21

Yeah and so it was all like because it kind of like happened out of nowhere and and so at that moment it felt so real where it's like with this John Cena thing it's because you were you were pre you were pre-aware of like bro I got one year y'all after this year y'all won't see me no more so you've had all the way from January to now where you didn't know that was Taker's moment and then you saw it and so you're like oh shit exactly that that that part exactly got and then on top of that when it comes to this John Cena thit situation it's like if I were to compare it to the perfect retirement in Sting it's like Sting did the same thing Yeah he did where he said like hey yo I got like one more this is my last year.

SPEAKER_00: 1:13:15

Wow yeah wow but then like you watch Sting's retirement run. As every match of like man he's almost there oh man you watch everything happen and like though you know hindsight is like he actually ended undefeated it didn't feel like he ended undefeated because there was turmoil there was this there was that going on you know he had you know all you know he he went through his little situations and then he had the big finale of a match and it's like there was a smoothness to it but then there was also that feeling of like damn I'm really watching this guy for the last time this John Cena run has been a fucking joke it's been a fucking joke garbage matches are you saying every match was garbage? No I'm not saying every match I didn't say all of them were garbage said garbage matches making I mean you might as well say most of them were what what let me see here no no go just just go go ahead go ahead goddammit go ahead I'm not I'm not I'm I'm only taking the slander so much only so much nigga but it's like it's like one of those things where we've tried like we tried to make this last run of John Cena so many different things but what it fucking needed to be and it's because of that it has lost its flair of a last run. And so it's like this is like this last run is the equivalent of watching Rip Flair retire and then see him go to to to TNA to not retire. And then for him to continue doing the for all autistic purposes stupid shit that he's been doing ever since he retired here in Orlando and that's what this John Cena's thing has felt like. Now of course they're trying to redeem it at the end but then I also feel like there's been such an overglazing of John Cena. It's almost as if they're trying to force it into our minds that he is when people consider themselves the greatest of all or or or should I even say you ever heard the fact that if you have to constantly remind people of something that maybe you're not that something that's what I feel about this. When Triple H came out there and literally got got 3000 John Cena I was physically sick I felt like I was watching gay porn and I don't want it like the broad Bro you cannot tell me I mean Russell Totten even said that shit I mean straight globble globble global global bro straight global bro and I'm just like come on dog if you have to hammer it down that hard oh why are we trying to overcompensate for John Cena what if these are people who are just wanting to express how much they appreciate him and appreciate what he's done for the business because you gotta remember that he he was one of the saviors of the business at one point you gotta give it that alright and it too my man has done so many make a wish bro give him credit B bro people didn't gawk gawk Hogan like that dog now nobody would ever gawk that motherfucker I mean to a certain degree they try but like but let me compare back to Sting here okay how many times did we have to say that Sting was bro you didn't hear uh Tony Shivani gluck glucking that motherfucker every time he came out there Sting you remember that now the now that particular now now Tony Shivani did not every single time have to go through the whole process of saying that he is the greatest of all time Sting is the greatest of all time greatest of all time is Sting. Alright the greatest of all time the greatest of all time great of all is like they did not do that. Well you know damn I can't even say that shit god damn it all right man must move the fuck on bro I'm not I'm not about to I'm not about to take this scene of slander no more my nigga you know say when it happens at the end I will give my full report I'm gonna put a camera right on your ass but pause I'm gonna put a camera right on what I swear when you say pause you make it so much worse like I I'm gonna put a camera right on you look at this I've already made it up on my mind I'm probably actually just going to do just a full on YouTube video and I'm just gonna sit here just look into the camera and I'm gonna be like alright y'all let me give you my full on feelings on this John Cena retirement run.

SPEAKER_02: 1:18:49

And watch y'all he's gonna he gonna express his his his profound love of the character and who he is as a person I'm looking forward to that bro anyway so uh back to Raw so Nikki Bella she turned heel on Stephanie Vacira which is obviously that was uh uh obviously gonna happen but it need yeah and it I'm glad it finally happened and maybe like we can start doing something with Stephanie did you hear but but but Nikki though but did you hear the uh audience saying the comments they were saying to Nikki no John seeing the left you ch John seeing unfortunately there's always going to be that which is too bad but at the same time it was really it was it was wild bro it was wow it it it is what it is when it comes to her on that though I mean some some will say she fumbled the bags but still it it's still fucked up like I I can't say so to a certain degree I can't say she didn't she didn't she she got she got what she wanted in life she wanted to be a mom yeah she's a mom and and sometimes you have to make that choice like Josiah didn't want kids she wanted kids and so instead of just sitting here in this perpetual like give me kids no just separate ways yeah it was not wrong with it nothing wrong with it bro like like is she even still with the guy who she had kids with like I want to say yes I want to say just for the the sake of the family yes he said for the sake of the family for the sake of the family like I don't know if she's actually still with the father of her child I'm not too sure I just I just don't want her to be I'm gonna speak positive that you are okay hopefully without looking it up hopefully but like but yeah that match between her Stephanie Valkyrie versus Nikki Bella why are we doing that? I'd rather have Trish Stratus because I can know Trish Stratus is going to give me a good match okay Nikki Bella is not going to give me a good match all right Nikki Bella just needs to she's gotta run her course we know Stephanie's good that she's a very much you can look but don't touch it like don't bring it back in the ring you can look at it don't bring it back in the ring just you can look but you can't touch it don't don't have a match with it just leave it alone leave it alone that match she had recently I forgot who was it was it against um uh Becky who Nikki Bella now no it was uh uh Lyra was it Lyra no you're talking about uh uh Miss Poprocks uh no but that was no that was a match she was going for a title where Oh then that was Becky yeah then when she was on the ropes and she tried to that was a really bad match yeah no it was it was bad it was bad and that right there was like yeah no uh tree strategy come back no problem she's still good she's she's still good it's really interesting to me that like Nikki Bella is in great shape all right absolutely looks she still looks fantastic but like she wasn't the best wrestler is like yeah she's she's from the diva era she's never been necessarily like the best she's not horrible she's not trash no she's not you know she's I'm not gonna say the name but go ahead yeah because I I know that I know that by the way she the the person I was going to mention there they are thinking about bringing your girl back oh interesting she said she said uh no excuse me I take it back take it back she was saying that the doors is always open for her to go back because she was like yo uh wrestling is such a great thing and then the audience and stuff like that if they ever call me back absolutely I would take it and I think they were I could talk potentially and I was like okay but like what when it comes to her and no I mean granted I feel as if maybe she might actually be a bit better now that she is healed because she's a thousand times more better heel than than a baby face.

SPEAKER_00: 1:22:52

You talking about uh Eva or you're talking about uh Nikki Nikki okay yeah and so like I maybe there might be some better traction there. I mean granted I kind of like this does not I feel like this doesn't necessarily do anything super great for Stephanie because people to be sh I mean sure this this'll this adds to like you know her repertoire of people who she needs to fight or at least to like give her some more bodies to take out but it's like the people she needs to be fighting funny enough are like in the fucking match are in war games right now.

SPEAKER_02: 1:23:27

So it's like but it's like thank god that WWE said let's include our fucking champion in that I mean granted they are doing in the men's but let's matter they got both of their fucking main champions in that match. That's stupid but I mean CM Punk and Cody are both in that match so there's no heavyweight title defense at at Survivor Series period.

SPEAKER_00: 1:23:47

Oh yeah of course not yeah of course not yeah because they're because right now in between that everything is gridlock because the people who could be fighting for those heavyweight titles are fighting to are are they are fighting to fight a man who is about to retire.

SPEAKER_02: 1:24:09

Yes and that here's the thing too those two have to be the most protected in those matches because we already have Sefki injury we can't have Cody or CM Plunk get into that match.

SPEAKER_00: 1:24:18

Well see that's the thing it's I don't even say I I would not say they need to be protected for all intents and purposes this match is there's two things with this match either A, the bad guys are going to win I wasn't talking about protecting their character I'm talking about protecting their body because we can't get them injured. Oh because they're both in that match I mean yeah because yeah it it especially considering the fact that the person who was originally champion already is injured.

SPEAKER_02: 1:24:50

And CM Punk has been injured twice now since he's been back in WWE and as always normally around WrestleMania season.

SPEAKER_00: 1:25:00

Luckily last year was his fucking first time finally doing that which is why I go back and say Briscoe you didn't have to go out of your way to say that you know you're only going to get this kind of action here because you should just let it speak for itself.

SPEAKER_02: 1:25:19

Of course we're not gonna get blood and guts at at war games we got WrestleMania coming up bro exact exactly of course I don't see them doing that for uh what's their fucking mate all in all whatever the fuck I I swear to god I don't know which one it is now is all in all out whichever their mania is the AEW is different because comparatively speaking they had some real crazy extreme matches on the previous pay-per-view and the nights leading up to their main event so it's that don't matter either way going back into like we were saying before um you know we kind of bounced around a couple of things but uh yes so Raw was pretty good Russoff won so you're gonna see him in there uh Damien Priest lost to Seamus beat Nakamura oh yeah Seamus beat Nakamura and then Rusev beat uh Damien there you go um yeah I don't see why the fuck Damien would have ever been an opponent against him and Shinsuke Nakam Shinsuke Nakamura versus Sina has been a match people have been wanting to see for ages but you really should have did it when Nakamura first came to WWE. 100% we had the match it's just Nakamura in possibly almost injured Cena with that backdrop. Was that what yeah there was a moment where they were having a match I forgot about that they had a match and then Nakamura um did a backdrop that was a little bit too I guess Cena didn't have a chance to prepare and he landed almost really bad on his neck I just remember that now I literally just remember that so people were saying that uh Nakamura got pushed down after that or got like punished for that moment. So yeah because remember that was like around the time where he was getting a little red hot again after the whole AJ Styles thing. Yeah that's why Nakamura's also probably never had another title shot or whatever. But besides that, we have those people in those matches we have Cena winning the Intercondo title and then we have the Kabuki Warriors beating um the best friends as I like to call them um and um Asuka has been a lot of praise apparently for what WrestleMania has said because she had protected Charlotte from getting injured and I was like bro she just she just connected her arm to her body like like that's actually a part of the move like interesting yeah apparently she'd be I guess we're what Lamia was saying is that she's been getting a lot of praise for protecting Charlotte I mean if if we that's kind of part of the job I mean if if we remember it was actually Asuka who fucking killed Charlotte to begin with like there was a spot what was it the the the spot that fucked up Charlotte's leg was in a match with Asuka. Oh she probably was like man I don't want to lose my I want to get in more trouble.

SPEAKER_00: 1:28:19

And yo make sure her arms and then I'll do the insane box I'm like but yeah like uh Ra was straight Ra was good Ra was good.

SPEAKER_02: 1:28:28

Smackdown was okay I still still don't see Mello on there but you know I don't we won't see him no time soon. I mean he's in the your time is now thing right did you see about what Montez Ford he's apparently creating this character that uh on on social media no he's trying to push like a solo but he's been pushing his character he's been doing a lot of thignettes and promos and people are noticing he's trying to push this character and hoping that WWE sees it and you know which I the thing about with WWE and a wrestler trying to get themselves over outside of the ring have we not learned from Zach Ryder they want to make you over organically through them. They don't give a fuck if you are really cool and popping on social media.

SPEAKER_00: 1:29:23

That's not the narrative we want to push I mean uh look at uh the original versions of what black and uh what's her name are right now black and oh yeah look at the original versions of them they they tried to get over on on uh social media oh you're talking about carrying cross and okay sorry sorry sorry sorry yes yes now I get now I get it yeah that's why I said yeah the original versions of it like they they tried to do that kind of I mean number one I I didn't know that I haven't I haven't seen nothing has crossed My way. I haven't seen anybody talking about it. I watch WrestleMania a lot, and they often talk about things that happen on the background. But uh, but like, I mean, whatever, I guess.

SPEAKER_02: 1:30:12

I mean, yeah. I mean, Montez Ford is one of those people that will be a great singles competitor. I mean, I would not like to get rid of the Street Prophets because they're like a tag team who you just you like both characters. There's no like I mean, yeah, we know that I guess you could say Montez is the Jeff Hardy, and then fucking, you know, um uh why is his name not Matt? No, fucking not not actual Matt, the other guy. Um Montez Ford, and then there's um the other guy in the Street Profits.

SPEAKER_00: 1:30:54

Oh, you're just I was blanking. I'm like That's why I'm blanking too right now you're talking about Dawkins. There you go. God dang it. No, it's just like when you was I like I wasn't sure who you were trying to.

SPEAKER_02: 1:31:05

I was trying to say that Matt would well Dawkins would be mad. But the thing about with the Hardys is that both of them still make careers solo and still were like, yo, it's Jeff and Matt. Like it's not just Jeff, right? Yeah. Whereas every other team, we've always said this person's the Jeff or this person's the Shawn Michaels. But with the the Street Profits, both of them are just as fucking good.

SPEAKER_00: 1:31:27

Uh funny enough to make that comparison, because yeah, I agree. It's like, which, which I feel as if that's what they like if they want to do their own solo things, that's what they need to do. They need to try to treat them like a Jeff and Matt Hardy and not a Mari Gennetti and Shawn Michaels. Yeah. Because when it comes to Jeff and Matt, they're definitely not a Mari Gennetti and Shawn Michaels situation. Because like Jeff went on and was able to do his own thing, and then Matt Hardy has gone on and become and become several different things. He's had several different gimmicks that he's done stronger than death, money mat, broken mat. You know, he he's got all these things and he's evolved and made himself different, you know, and done these things. Now, granted, Jeff Hardy. He's always been the same. He's always been Jeff Hardy. Not Willow. Yeah, yeah, there is the Willow. And I feel like when he was in TNA when he was doing his heel run, he was kind of sort of like Willow Jeff Hardy a little bit type thing. But like, but even still though, like I feel they could do that. But I don't think now is the time to be trying to do that. Like that, because like they're it's not like they have not like if they do it, they need to do it like when they're both at a high point. Right now, they're very low. And I don't think if they split up right now, they're gonna be out here looking like the acclaimed. Please don't do that.

SPEAKER_02: 1:33:01

Which they're gonna get back together soon. Please. I mean, shit. I mean, I do miss the bars. I do miss the bars. That was that was honestly the the best part of Dynamite is going on in there. Let me see homeboy's bars today.

SPEAKER_00: 1:33:13

Listen, I I miss the acclaim so badly. The acclaimed. That beat is fire, though. I ain't gonna lie.

SPEAKER_02: 1:33:21

It's a fantastic, it's a fantastic beat. It's a fantastic freestyle beat. Um, but yeah, SmackDown. We had uh J Cargill actually go against B Fab. Who cares? Squash match pretty much. Um And then we also had Dragon Off doing his thing. Which the F the H bomb still looked really good, even though people are saying it looks stupid.

SPEAKER_00: 1:33:47

Which is crazy that they'd say that looks stupid, but they're gonna want to glaze stuff like fucking uh the god like the the running chop moves.

SPEAKER_02: 1:33:55

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00: 1:33:56

Stuff that the like the the what what is it that the the spirit gun.

SPEAKER_02: 1:34:00

Oh yeah, the cloth line. It's a clothesline, it's like a running clothesline.

SPEAKER_00: 1:34:03

Or or what uh the hater aid? Or the hater aid. Oh, okay, okay. So so H bomb garbage, but we're gonna praise the hater aid. Yeah, you you got mad beef with that move, bro. We're gonna we're gonna talk shit about the the the H bomb, but but AD Kingston's okay.

SPEAKER_02: 1:34:25

All right. That backhand, yeah. That shit's stupid. Um but along with that, we did have, I think Cody was he was he wasn't going against Alistair Black that night.

SPEAKER_00: 1:34:37

He was uh It was literally the one match I did not watch only because I was like, oh okay, Cody's gonna be is defending his tile against Brunson Reed. Alright, cool. He's probably gonna lose.

SPEAKER_02: 1:34:47

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00: 1:34:47

And and then and then I had and then I made my way here to do the podcast. So that's why I did not see.

SPEAKER_02: 1:34:54

Oh, now I remember. Um Sammy Zayn is clear to clear to wrestle, and now it's gonna be the I believe, which I'm I'm very curious. Are we gonna have three war games? Because the way they they made it look like as if now it's Sammy's crew versus the MFTs. Which I have a problem with because we literally have the Y6 in the back.

SPEAKER_00: 1:35:16

Like, what's happening?

SPEAKER_02: 1:35:17

They were supposed to be going against the YS6, I thought. That they were talking about that.

SPEAKER_00: 1:35:21

That's the way they I think Bo is still. Well, see, that's the thing. They didn't necessarily talk about it. They tried to set it up like that was a potential. Yeah, like they want to see how the crowd would react. And so it's like, and it's one of those things where I feel as if that is more necessary to do than the one that we're getting for the guys. And then if they do this with the with Sami Zayn's crew and the NFTs, and that is a war games match, I'm gonna be very upset. That's three war games. Not the fact that there's three war games, it's just the fact that that is a war games match. Because that's stupid. Absolutely stupid. Why why?

SPEAKER_02: 1:36:01

Why? I mean, Shinsuke, Nakamura, Amora, Phoenix, you got Sammy, you got uh uh uh who was the other oh the motorcycle machine guns, that's gonna be crazy if they do that, and then you got the MFTs. That's gonna be a crazy match if they do that. I'm just saying, alright, it's gonna be crazy. Okay, which honestly, in in reality, I think that would be a uh a more AEW match if that was gonna be one. Like, you know what I'm saying, compared to it.

SPEAKER_00: 1:36:35

Oh no, this is uh that's a very AEW, bro. It's literally a conglomeration versus the guy. Yeah, son of a bitch. You walked right into it, bro. You walked right right into it. It's literally conglomeration. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02: 1:36:51

Versus they got their Mexican in there too, but he yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So Sammy would be uh would be Orange Cassidy, probably, yeah.

SPEAKER_00: 1:37:02

Well, comparably speaking, with the way that this is working, Sammy Zane takes the place of Darby Allen in all of this. He would story-wise when it comes to how because how he's been dealing with the John Moxley of NXT. Oh, I'm sorry, of SmackDown. With his Death Riders. And they be losing too.

SPEAKER_02: 1:37:23

Yeah, yeah. God damn. Not the MFTs being the Death Riders, bro. You heard it here first, guys. MFTs are basically T Moon Death Riders. All right, guys. Yep. Yeah, it's whatever, bro. Oh, we got to see now. Here's what I've been really wanting to talk about. We got fucking Zach Ryder back in WWE. The theme song was good, the gear was good. Are you serious, bro? I was popping the fuck off. Because you gotta realize Zack Ryder back in the day, very tiny guy. Like, you know, body-wise, he was not him now, he's fucking jacked.

SPEAKER_00: 1:38:09

Listen, Zach Ryder is a he became what Vince would have wanted. Matt Cardona is a main inventor. Yes. Okay. Now, I do find it interesting that they brought him back as Zack Ryder. Now, for all intents and purposes, I would like to think of it as just for nostalgia. Yeah. That why they let him come out and do the Zack Ryder thing. Yeah. Is what I want to believe. Um, and and honestly, the match was good. Yes, it was. You know what I'm saying? Like, I mean, I knew good and damn well he wasn't going to win.

SPEAKER_02: 1:38:48

I really wished, honestly. I mean, I don't know, I don't think he has a contract with WWE, but like, it's one of those moments, man. He his time, it may not be now, but he really fucking deserves it.

SPEAKER_00: 1:39:03

But I though I'm talking about like the win.

SPEAKER_02: 1:39:06

Like, he deserves that shit.

SPEAKER_00: 1:39:07

I I agree with that. And he's and for all intent, I mean, as as Matt Cardona, he has been winning.

unknown: 1:39:13

Kind of.

SPEAKER_02: 1:39:14

Not an NXT.

SPEAKER_00: 1:39:15

No, yeah, he literally just had the last match he had. He lost, nigga. Who did he?

SPEAKER_02: 1:39:20

He lost his debut match in NXT. He lost that shit. Did he? Yes. That's why I found it funny that he was Matt Cardona in NXT. He hasn't been booked for WWE in almost 10 years. And he goes there and he fucking takes an L. And then he comes back at Zach Ryder and he fucking takes an L. And then people in the comment section says, hmm, come back to WWE and go right back to jobbing. And that's why I was pissed the fuck off.

SPEAKER_00: 1:39:52

But see, now because now that I'm thinking back, thinking back on recalling, he did lose to that to uh what's his name? Uh on NXT. Yeah. I I don't know why I forgot about that piece. No. But uh Cardano. But uh I mean for all intents and purposes, it really could have gone either way because it's not like it's not like LA Knight's been winning either. So it's like but because of the fact that you know LA Knight is their talent right now, I was not expecting LA Knight to lose.

SPEAKER_02: 1:40:30

The comment section are saying they should be a tag team and call them the Knight Riders.

SPEAKER_00: 1:40:36

Alright. Okay, I'd be here for it. That's that's not that's not bad at all, the n the Knight Riders. I'm sure. Yeah, yeah. But you'll be like, woo woo woo! Yeah. The only problem is is the fact that it does not do anything for them. No, it doesn't. It gives them a lot of things. Because Matt Cardona Matt Cardona is a singles competitor and he is and he should be in the upper main event. I would say, not the upper. He should be in the main event.

SPEAKER_02: 1:41:19

He should be give I would say if he comes back to WWE, give him no, actually, no, he he has to go to the main event. He can't come back and do the IC title because that's where he left. So he has to come back. Yeah, he has to come back.

SPEAKER_00: 1:41:30

He has to come back and he has to be a main eventer. And and and right now, the and the reasons why I know that he why uh knight won is because Knight is currently a main eventer. If they were to bring them, if they were to bring them and put them as a tag team, that immediately and instantly puts them as mid-card talent.

SPEAKER_02: 1:41:53

Here's the thing too that really kind of pisses me off about Zach Ryder. He really looked like he might be related to Hunter with how he looks nowadays. Like, just imagine. Imagine Matt with a bald hair right now. He got the Triple H beard. And he got the build a little bit. Anyway. And he wears his gear similar to how Hunter did back in the day.

SPEAKER_00: 1:42:20

Overall, this week of wrestling has been honestly on both sides, it's uh it's uh we used to haven't watched collision, by the way. It's well, collision.

SPEAKER_02: 1:42:33

Oh, I gotta watch New York.

SPEAKER_00: 1:42:35

Wait a second. Oh, you forgot to talk about TNA? We did forget to talk about TNA because something very important happened on TNA. Which pull up the tweet, pull up the tweet.

SPEAKER_02: 1:42:49

I need you to pull out the tweet.

SPEAKER_00: 1:42:51

I don't even think I have the tweet in here.

SPEAKER_02: 1:42:53

You know, it's in the it's in the chat. Is it? Yeah, you sent the tweet in the chat. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00: 1:42:58

Hold on, let me let me let me because I I that's right. I'm glad I sent it then. Cause cause goddamn, where is it at? Where is it at? Where in the chat was it? Because I don't remember when it was.

SPEAKER_02: 1:43:12

It was literally, it was like earlier today. Was it? Yeah. Hold on, I'll pull it, I'll pull it back out for you. It was this link right here.

SPEAKER_00: 1:43:26

Oh, there we go. Okay. Yeah, because for some reason the link didn't want. So yes, the so as I'm quoting from this tweet that I got that that I found, which is from at uh Pep's Wrestling, it says Santana's TNA title run wins the title approximately three months too late. TNA doesn't tape a show for four weeks, defends it on the first taping against ca now. Let me also be clear. He did not defend the title against Kazarian. He actually defended the title against uh um uh was it Nick? Nick Nimeth. Yeah okay he or or actually no because not Nick because Nick is the bro, Matt. Matt, there you go. He defended against Matt Nimeth, all right? He defended the title against Matt. And that crowd was red hot for him, too. Oh yeah. And and then proceeds to lose because so let me let me go ahead and just paint the picture all out for you here, right? Because the first half of that is exactly true. He should have won the title way back in the triple threat, but he didn't, he lost. He then later on fights and beats in a very emotional way. He beats goddamn Trick Williams. T and A goes on a four-week sabbatical, okay? Which do they ever explain why? I think that's just something that they do, apparently. Stupid nigga. But uh and so, but so they finally have an actual show now. He ends up finding Nick Nimoth because Nick Nimeth comes out there and interferes and starts talking shit and stuff like that, right? And what it actually turns out to be, or at least it was supposed to be, is that this was kind of sort of like a whole ruse to help Nick get the title. Nick get the title. So Brother Nimeth is trying to soften him up so that Big Brother can come out and cash in that little, you know, thing. Call your shot. The call your shot. He was gonna cash that in and try and take the title from him. But in the match, you see where he's about to come out to the ring and he gets jumped by somebody. Who I'm pretty certain the person who he gets jumped by is actually Kazarian. And so he gets jumped and he gets laid out in the back, right? And then in the middle of the match, a bunch of NXT motherfuckers just come in there and just jumps everybody. Do we know specifically who was NXT Wild? Uh, it like who was it? It's so uh William Regal's son, who was the leader of the catch crew that no longer exists, um, goddamn, I know. Uh see, the problem is I I know their faces, I just can't think of their names. No, you're good, you good.

SPEAKER_02: 1:46:26

We can we can keep going.

SPEAKER_00: 1:46:27

But like uh Alexis King was also in that bunch, which I actually met him in person. You mean uh uh uh uh Pillman's Pillman Jr. Yeah I I I actually met him in person at a at a card shop. Okay. Cool folks. He liked my shirt. I was rocking a GT shirt, he was all like, fucking love your shirt, bro. And he's also apparently a GT fan, which makes him okay with me. But anyway, like so they come out there, they jump him, they beat him up, they and I'm talking, they like jump him, jump him, try to break his arm, all this other stuff, right? They literally put a whole ass hit on him, tried to take him out. Then Kazerian comes out there, calls his shot, beats him, pins him, takes the title. That's that's that's how that all went. So when you fast forward to when we were talking about the pay-per-view and how we're all like, I don't I don't see him. Yeah. Apparently nobody else did either.

SPEAKER_02: 1:47:36

Even though I could I could do this forever, because you know, Tricky Day, you know, tricky day.

SPEAKER_00: 1:47:42

Which that's also another thing because I watched the last banding match that him and uh Ricky did and Saints had, and I I want to like Saints. That match made me put some respect on him. You mean Timu Rock? Whoa. That's what everybody keeps calling him. Umce again, I respect him a bit more than to call him Timu Rock. Or that I mean Edge even called him Rock 2.0. Once again, I I will give him the respect he deserves in that aspect that I would not I'm not gonna I'm not gonna say that kind of shit about him. Alright. I I'm not I'm not gonna say it. But what I will say is that I really need him to get a new finish. Now, granted, the way he beat Trick, he didn't even use the DDT. No, he used the spear. Okay. And the way that that match ended, I really I do kind of like how it ended because like it also still made Trick look really, really strong. He just like, although I do kind of take a little gripe with the fact that they was like the referee was counting them both, and then like he pushed Trick away and the referee still counted. I thought I thought that was a little weird because like that's he was getting up, so that's a reset. That's that's I was like, that's that's not how that works, but alright, for the dramatic of it, sure, whatever.

SPEAKER_02: 1:49:06

But and then the ruler, the real star, is coming back for the title. But he's not gonna win it. But like, yeah, uh which is which honestly to me, the fact if you put them against each other again and he loses again, yeah, that's worse.

SPEAKER_00: 1:49:28

That's gonna be worse, because if he but but that's them going back to TNA in this title run, in this title run, I'm just uh honestly at the end of the day, I'm just kinda like, eh?

SPEAKER_02: 1:49:45

I knew it. Look, look, look, look, here's the thing He got that belt and they spent the block and said, No, we taking that shit back. I'd use this finisher against him. We spent the block and got it back and gave it to a real TNA legend.

SPEAKER_00: 1:50:04

Yeah, let me tell you. It's it's unfortunate uh for him because boy oh boy, an absolute transitional definition.

SPEAKER_02: 1:50:14

I mean, four weeks of no TV, first time we ever see him with the belt on. He loses it, and you defend it on your first and no remember, we always said, you know, you never want to be the first person to defend it. I mean go against them after during a defense, because you're more likely gonna lose. I mean, unless you're transition to it.

SPEAKER_00: 1:50:34

I mean, technically, uh uh younger brother Nemeth did not lose that match. Technically, it was a draw because uh NXT came in there and jumped both of those motherfuckers, bro. So did he leave with the belt? I mean, no, he didn't. Then that's an L. But but but well, no, because the champion also didn't leave with the belt. He took an L too! Nothing changes the fact that yes, no, no, no, no, no. He's the only person who took an L that match. Bro, bro. When two let me actually let me let me let me put it to you like this when uh when when Nick Nimith and Kazerian fought each other and they pinned, that was a draw. And because it was a draw, they both got the watchable, they both got the call, the call your shot situation. They did not lose, and they technically did not win, it was a stalemate. So for all intents and purposes, younger brother Nimeth stalemate it with the champion. He did not lose. That doesn't go as an L in the in his rule book or or or in the book of wins and losses. But the champion did get take an L that night. So for all to his purposes, you could obviously say younger Brian and Nemeth deserves another chance at the title. Now, sure, the champion probably does rematch clause-wise, but he lost. Real transition. Real transition.

SPEAKER_02: 1:52:30

Either way, we both said Mike Santana don't we we don't see him as that champion right now. There's nothing about him says that champion. He could be uh House of Glory champion, all you want to. He could be MLW champion, but I don't see him being TNA with a brand we have so many other talents who are currently Santana was a feel-good moment and only a feel-good moment. He's a great wrestler. I do love his his wrestling ability, but him as being the the face of that company.

SPEAKER_00: 1:53:06

No. Santana's championship Santana weighing the championship title as far as like importance kind of goes and like moment and as far as moments go, kind of sort of feels like what happened with Joe Henry. Joe Henry, he won the belt, and it was a moment, but he didn't really hold it very long because shortly after winning it, he I think he defended it like one time before.

SPEAKER_02: 1:53:40

No, he defended it twice because he had that triple threat, and then he had a um he had the match against trick where he I think he actually won one of them. I think I could have sworn he had two, at least two to three defenses. Because one of them he had that shoulder, two of the defenses he kept he kept like nursing this shoulder situation. Okay. So that much, yeah. Um then I think he also had to defend it one time on NXT. I I have to look back, but he had a couple of defenses.

SPEAKER_00: 1:54:06

He definitely, yeah, because he did also have it for a he did have it for a while. He did have it for what well, I came to say. Oh, three months? I was also saying a bit longer, but like comparably speaking, if it was twice, three times as long as if it was three months, goddamn. I think it was.

SPEAKER_02: 1:54:23

I think it was like three months at least.

SPEAKER_00: 1:54:25

But like it was say his name. It was more for the moment as po as opposed to I could really see Joe Hendry going the super long run with that title.

SPEAKER_02: 1:54:39

Because he's not the wrestler that you might see, at least there. Maybe NXT.

SPEAKER_00: 1:54:46

I can't say that bit, but like for the time that he had the title, kind of thing, like like I feel like the time was a necessary amount. However, I feel like what where this should have gone is Trick Williams, carry it for all this time, and then Joe Hendry get it back from him, get his lick back. Because for all intents and purposes, Joe Henry never got that. Well, that's because he's going to NXT now, so that's why he likes it. Which, which, you know, high in hindsight, yes. But it's like with Santana, like I just didn't see it. I never saw it. Nope. And it's and maybe I just missed the build-up to why he he it made sense that he should, but it's like because he kept going back-to-back matches with it's pretty much the equivalent of WWE's normal booking.

SPEAKER_02: 1:55:38

Uh, yeah, we're gonna book him multiple times to go against go as the person with this title, lose every one of them because he's lost, he's been in like three matches against Trick for that fucking belt. And then finally, on the third one, he won. So I will say this much outside of that situation, Mike Santana. I will give you this much. Congratulations on 1000 Days of Being Sober. Continue to fight, my brother. I have not ever experienced that before, but continue on the fight, kudos to you, 1,000 Days uh sober. Um, I just feel like that that's a really bum way they did that to you. Is you got a 1,000 day being sober and you lose your fucking belt. That that fucking sucks.

SPEAKER_00: 1:56:19

Yeah, I will say that's that the timing on that is kind of crazy. Yeah, that's crazy. The fact that they wanted to like, you know, highlight that, but then uh give him a reason to want to have to too dip your toe back in. To disrespect him in such a level, like that's crazy. But hey, maybe maybe they're maybe they'll have him spin the block to and get that belt back again. But like I I'm okay if they don't.

SPEAKER_02: 1:56:51

Um outside of that, I gotta watch New Japan whenever we finish this. Well, is there something going on tonight? I mean, New Japan's always I think if they have something, it might be a house show or something like that. Regardless, I just you you know try to watch New Japan in general. So um if you don't get that new Japan-ish up there. Yeah, you gotta you gotta start watching on it. Cause you Aiso Big up! I'm gonna say we got we got I'm I'm I need more of him in the ring, I need more of him in the story. Cool character.

SPEAKER_00: 1:57:21

And actually, you see you actually saying that does remind me because uh as we uh get ready to to wrap everything up, next episode of the podcast. I keep saying this now. Well, I'm not referring to that. I was actually referring to because next next week is the AEW pay-per-view. Oh full gear, yeah, full year, yeah, full gear. And remember, I'm not going to be here. Yeah, so probably me and story for the story. That's why I said, speaking of story, it's just gonna be uh It's just gonna be uh the the the Undertaker and Paul Bearer of the of the of the of the uh You know what V B O D for for two seconds, I'm about to say, bitch, I'm wait, no, I'm not.

SPEAKER_02: 1:58:14

I was like, if it's the RP the K, motherfucker, you got the Undertaker go tea shit going on, but then I was like, nah, no, you're right, you're right. Yeah, you're right, you're right.

SPEAKER_00: 1:58:24

Uh but yeah, I I'll be absent, but uh in my stead story will be.

SPEAKER_02: 1:58:31

Or I might, you know, actually I'm trying to collab with um Main Event. Yeah, I've been messaging him. I'm trying to collab, I'm trying to see if we can um, it might I might actually see if he's cool with us doing uh uh just a video of us talking about AEW if he's watching it. Because I've been trying to see if we can get together because he's local.

SPEAKER_00: 1:58:50

Funny enough, uh I'm probably going to be seeing him uh Well then bring it up when you see him at the show.

SPEAKER_02: 1:58:57

But uh does he wrestle or he just only does press?

SPEAKER_00: 1:59:01

He does no, he actually uh does the he does the ring out. But uh yeah, so we'll I guess we'll figure on that. Now, the other thing that you thought I was talking about.

SPEAKER_02: 1:59:15

Yeah, that one time.

SPEAKER_00: 1:59:16

If it wasn't for the fact that this week actually had a lot of crazy shit going on. I had to I've done the research. Oh I figured out the thing, we research. So uh we we can we can definitely get it in the absolute regardless of what the fuck happened in wrestling, unless it's absolutely insane. Which funny enough, I think the next time we'll be here will be for the war game war games. But as Jay Briscoe said, you know, you're only gonna get blood and guts here. You know what I'm saying? I don't expect the war games pay per view to really be a big much to talk about since Briscoe had to go. Out of his way to make those comments.

SPEAKER_02: 2:00:02

But that is the it was the equivalent of when WW WCW said, Hey, you know the world champion? Mankind? He's supposed to be winning about. You don't want to tune in on that. It was literally the equivalent. But as always, guys, please let us know what your thoughts are in the comments with everything that's going on in wrestling currently as well. And if there's any topics you would like for us to talk about as well, please include those in the comments as well. As always, please choke, slam that like button, tombstone the subscribe button, as we are here every week because the ring is sacred, the questions are real, the destruction is guaranteed. And I am the Masakoot.

SPEAKER_00: 2:00:43

And it's your boy. Swash switch in the building.

SPEAKER_02: 2:00:46

So until next time, have a good one. Enjoy your weekend and then hug your loved ones. I don't know. I could do a better outro than that, but oh, you got legit this time. Not the boss, no boss.

SPEAKER_00: 2:00:59

The boss is actually probably good.