What is going on TNA?

Two truths set the tone this week: finishers should finish, and stories should serve the stakes. We kick off by clearing up a classic fan debate—tweener vs anti‑hero—with examples that actually map to modern booking. That lens becomes essential as we dig into TNA’s Genesis, a show that needed a statement and instead revealed a talent drain, soft builds, and a reliance on guest moments over homegrown momentum.

We unpack why AJ Francis vs Rich Swann over‑delivered without a push, how a retirement match lacked consequence, and where the Hardy Boyz vs The Righteous wasted real heat with a shrug of a payoff. The Knockouts match showcased grit yet leaned on visiting talent while the rightful contender waited in limbo. Then came the flashpoint: a triple threat that had your number‑one contender eating a pin to a WWE‑contracted star, and a Texas Death match with a pin‑then‑count stip that stretched time and deflated drama. If you’ve ever asked “why doesn’t that finisher feel like a finisher,” this card had your answer.

To balance the slate, we spotlight what worked elsewhere. Bron Breakker’s spear finally looks like an identity, not a template. AJ Styles vs Gunther closed with a finish that respected aura and timing. And Stardom’s 15th anniversary house show quietly stole the week: seven brisk matches, high‑speed precision, defined roles, and submissions that tell the story without a single backstage crutch. It’s a masterclass in how pace and purpose can carry a card.

If you’re here for honest, ring‑side analysis with zero fluff, this one’s for you. We’re mapping what WWE, AEW, TNA, and Stardom are actually delivering—who’s cooking, who’s coasting, and where each promotion can tighten the screws fast. Enjoyed the breakdown? Follow, share with a wrestling friend, and drop your hot takes in the comments. Which finish made you cheer, and which one made you groan?

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Chapters

• 0:16 Live Setup, Then Down To Business
• 1:38 Defining Tweener vs Anti‑Hero
• 8:40 2010’s Worst Year And TNA’s Slide
• 15:45 Talent Drains To AEW/WWE
• 27:16 TNA’s Celebrity Habit And Booking Woes
• 34:42 Genesis Card Breakdown Starts
• 39:45 AJ Francis vs Rich Swann Missed Build
• 44:30 Retirement Match That Didn’t Matter
• 52:30 Knockouts Booking And Visa Issues
• 1:00:50 Hardy Boyz vs The Righteous Confusion
• 1:07:30 X‑Division Triple Threat Controversy
• 1:19:20 Texas Death Match And Finisher Spam
• 1:31:20 WWE/AEW Highlights: Bron Breakker Spear
• 1:36:40 Stardom House Show: Why It Slaps
• 1:49:40 What Each Promotion Actually Delivers
• 1:58:40 Final Verdicts And Listener CTA

Transcript

SPEAKER_00: 0:16

Welcome to another episode of the Big Brothers of Destruction podcast. It's your host who likes to post the Mazaku. And it's your boy, Swag Switcher in the building.

SPEAKER_02: 0:26

And on TikTok.

SPEAKER_00: 0:27

And on TikTok live. We're trying to be doing stuff live at the same time. So if you're watching us live, you get a specific angle of us. And if you're watching us on here, you get the full production.

SPEAKER_02: 0:37

See now we gotta get another. Once we get another phone, they can be like we're live on TikTok.

SPEAKER_00: 0:41

And we're live over here too. Technically, I could use my other phone, but like I need that for the notes today.

SPEAKER_02: 0:47

That's fair. And see what tripods. See what I could probably do. Because I got a tablet that I can look at. The tablet actually be tough. So I mean I just don't have I gotta get a tripod. I gotta get a tripod.

SPEAKER_00: 1:00

That's the only that's the only bit. Until we can actually get a production camera, we don't have to use our phones anymore for the actual video. But when you look at it, like the phone cam is clean. It is to an extent, but like we're using the front cam. We can actually turn it to the back and not have to worry about is it recording? I mean, I mean that you're not wrong about that.

SPEAKER_02: 1:24

Yeah, that otherwise I would use the back cam. Because like over here, my front cam is actually surprisingly cleaner than I could have ever asked for.

SPEAKER_00: 1:33

Alright, well, we're talking too much on camera, guys. I know the the the behind the scenes logistics, we'll get to that. But what we definitely want to get into is this wacky week of wrestling. Um I I figure it'd be best to just get all the bad shit out so we can actually enjoy ourselves and talk about stuff we really might enjoy about wrestling. Because we we could speak on that passionately and have fun with that. The bad shit, let's just get the bad shit out of the way.

SPEAKER_02: 1:58

It's funny because when you say the bad shit, like it's it's not even so much like it's like it's really just bad for one group of people, and that's TNA, right?

SPEAKER_00: 2:08

Okay, yeah, we we just saw Genesis, which so we could briefly talk about that because oh yeah, we're we're gonna get to talk about with that.

SPEAKER_02: 2:15

Damn. But we'll we're we're gonna get into it. However, there's something I want to bring up that we had the parking lot that I uh I did do the research and studying on, and I just wanted to go ahead and uh and it shine some light on it, especially if anybody was curious about how it works and what it is. So I want to say it might have been last week when we came up and brought up the whole fact about tweeners and uh Oh, yeah, okay, yeah. What about that? So the difference. There is a difference, they don't mean the same thing, they're in the same wheelhouse.

SPEAKER_00: 2:51

So so to give them give them an understanding for people who's just jumping in, so the conversation last week was bringing up what is the difference between an anti-hero and a tweener, because they technically line in between the baby face and a heel. So tweener and anti-hero, please explain.

SPEAKER_02: 3:08

So the the tweener, right? I feel so though they're kind of sort of like in that in-between space, a tweener kind of sort of is like a true neutral to a certain degree. Uh, and they are truly in their own wheelhouse when it comes to what they want and what they represent. And so the best example of a tweener.

SPEAKER_00: 3:37

Jake Lee. I mean, he's a heel, but he does what the fuck he wants. If you're saying straight down the middle, I do what I need to do for me.

SPEAKER_02: 3:46

And you said Jake Lee.

SPEAKER_00: 3:48

Yeah, the guy we saw in New Japan. Because remember, he tells his he tells his teammates, hey, look, I will betray you. I will do what I need to do for me.

SPEAKER_02: 3:56

Actually, I think that yeah, that yeah, now that you kind of like put that out there, I would probably say yes, because he also, because the other person, uh, the one that uh the American audience might know a little bit better. Uh uh Kevin Nash. Yeah. Kevin Nash is the main example that they gave of what a tweener is. Kevin Nash is not a heel, he's not necessarily a baby face. He is, he goes out there and he does what he wants and does what he wants to benefit himself. And that's pretty much where it lies for a tweener. Because, like, they can go out there and tag with a baby face and then turn around and dap it up with a heel type situation. As where when you go to the anti-hero kind of thing, the anti-hero-establishment. Yeah, the the anti-hero, they are as what most anti-heroes end up being, they are the pseudo-good guy that just does that has bad guy tendencies.

SPEAKER_00: 5:11

So uh Stone Cold is a perfect anti-hero because he was so anti-establishment, and the only reason why he was considered a good guy is because he was going against Vince, who is a worse person down with anybody else in certain situations. It was like, well, we just cheered Austin, even though the person could be a babyface, it was like, but Austin would still do asshole things and be considered a uh face still or anti-hero. But the funny thing about it is John Cena has done some really shitty things that heels would do, but he was a babyface. Correct. Which I don't know if he can technically categorized as anti-hero.

SPEAKER_02: 5:50

I don't so John Cena would not categorize as that he is still a babyface in that particular case because it's like because what John Cena's when John Cena does did those heelish things back then, some of those things, that's that's like the the good guy giving the bad guy a piece of their own medicine type situation. But stealing a homie's girl? That's a I that you forgot about that Zach Ryder shit. No, it's not so much that I didn't forget about it. That's for all intents and purposes, that's just really bad booking. All right, that's that's just some really stupid ass booking. Because when you look at what was going on at that time, John Cena was still doing babyface things. If anything, Zach Ryder's girl is the one that was the heel.

SPEAKER_00: 6:44

But he he could have turned his his shit off and been like, nah, bro, you the homie girl.

SPEAKER_02: 6:49

Like that listen, uh that whole time was a big clusterfuck of foolishness. Uh-huh. It ain't even no, it's not, it is not even like, bro. I never even with you. I'm fucking with you. Just to picture it real quick. All right. So there's that whole thing going on with Zach Ryder, and who was he with? Uh uh Eva Marie. Was it Eva Marie? Eva Marie, yeah. Uh so it's like we got that whole situation going on, and but like John Cena is also like having this feud with Kane and all this other stuff, and and Kane is also beating up on Zack Ryder, and John Cena's trying to help Zack Ryder while also helping himself to Zack Ryder's girlfriend, apparently. It like it's that was a really stupid time, all right. That was that was one of those, when did that happen? PG. I don't even think that's PG.

SPEAKER_00: 7:46

I'm trying to think of what year that was when all that was going on. It was like 2000. It was definitely we were out of high school. So like 2010, maybe 11 or 12.

SPEAKER_02: 7:57

Okay, because if it yeah, which was often regarded as some of the worst years of wrestling. As a matter of fact, when I was doing my little bit of research, when I was because I I did want to go into talking about like, you know, what is considered like the worst year of wrestling. I looked to see before I gave my personal opinions on it, I went to see like what has kind of sort of been like understood as some of the universally appealed. Yeah, like what most people say like throughout online it kind of thing. And 2010, which is around that time when all that dumb shit was going on, is one of the years that is regarded as one of the worst years of wrestling.

SPEAKER_00: 8:39

That's crazy.

SPEAKER_02: 8:40

So 2010 is was a horrible year of wrestling, which I can also attest to because during that time, at least going into 2010, I was watching a lot of TNA. But unfortunately.

SPEAKER_00: 8:52

Well, yeah, no, we we going to them shows back then, bro.

SPEAKER_02: 8:55

We was going to them shows. Yeah, but and towards the end of 2010, TNA started going down the shithole as well because Six Side Arena disappeared and Hulk Hogan and Bischoff took over. Yeah, I remember. And they were in the process of WCWing themselves for a second time. And so working themselves in the shoot. Oh, very much so. And I said, that's not gonna work for me, brother. And I turned the channel to just watch WWE because, well, that's all we got. Except for now, because right now we got WWE. I mean, granted, we had New Japan back then, but we we didn't have sources to. But we didn't have we didn't have uh the resources to get to it, but now we got New Japan, we got WWE, we got AEW, we got TNA.

SPEAKER_00: 9:50

Now we haven't even touched on Lucha either. And we got well, we're not watching MLW, but there's just different, there's so many options of wrestling.

SPEAKER_02: 9:59

There is a lot of options, and I specifically am shouting out the the the big four as current we have and whatnot. Uh we are uh in a process of trying to branch out and get some get some stardom in here, mostly because this one has seemingly found it very deemable and necessary to watch.

SPEAKER_00: 10:22

Bro, like I just watched a house show just last night, bro. This shit's crazy. And and I and I do have to wait for that English commentary because there's two promos in there, and they were very long promos. And so I'm like, I can't skip this. I gotta know what they're talking about. And I might actually have to ask the homie. I might be like, yo, can you watch this? I might actually have to do that, I might have to record and send it to them. But anyway, um so going on again to the wacky week of wrestling. You talked about like, you know, TNA and what they were doing, but there was something else that you wanted to bring up too. You brought up the tweener in between the the two, the anti-hero and the tweener. Was there anything else that you wanted to bring up?

SPEAKER_02: 11:05

Well, that was just the the main thing that we parking lotted previously that I was like, let me look into that and I'm gonna come back to y'all. So just wanted to go ahead and throw that information out there.

SPEAKER_00: 11:16

So let's go ahead and take a dump on Genesis real quick. All right, um, that's right. I'm making it short and sweet. Uh, what's that car look like?

SPEAKER_02: 11:26

So when it comes to Genesis, but but before he takes this metaphorical dump.

SPEAKER_00: 11:32

I'm about to take a dump on this shit.

SPEAKER_02: 11:33

Uh here's here's my whole bit when it comes to just T and A. Cause so this week was supposed to be.

SPEAKER_00: 11:42

Save it as much as you need to save it. Go ahead, save it. Well, put bacon on that bitch. Because I'm about to make it a shit sandwich. Put that bacon on it.

SPEAKER_02: 11:49

That's the problem. There's really nothing that I can save. It's one of those deals where, like, as a fan, because whenever I watch wrestling, I watch it as a fan first, and then I go back and I critique it as as a as a uh a pseudo-analyst, if I may say. Okay. So going into this week, alright, it TNA has been being hyped up while at the same time getting the rug taken out from underneath them. Okay. As it was noted, you know, Doyle, LJ, Jake Doyle and Davis. Doyle and Davis, ladies and gentlemen. Doyle has been taken over to the AEW team. Okay. And funny enough, they're making Doyle, they're actually doing what I did not expect, and they're actually like, hey, we're gonna bring Doyle and we're gonna push him immediately.

SPEAKER_00: 12:55

I mean, because look at him, he looks like Warlow body-wise. But Warlow actually have abs and shit like that, but hey, hey, the husband.

SPEAKER_02: 13:02

But I mean, but but Doyle is a big, strong, beefy man. Which he could be Warlow, better version of Warlow. He could have been the new face of T and A being on the TV, but he went to the money, obviously. Everybody's gonna be the money. He went to the money, but he's not the only one who's gone to the money. When you look at TNA, has been on has been on this crash course of trying to get that TV deal, and they finally nailed it. In the time, their stars that they had that were kind of big and kind of sort of made TNA look good. They've all been yanked one by one, by four, and then by two.

SPEAKER_00: 13:48

Literally, we can go down the list. Joe Hendry, NXT, okay? Oh, I'm not even talking about those folk. I'm just talking about the most recent pieces. Oh, so like the rascals are going to AEW. They're not going, they're there. Okay. And then the inspiration are literally, they just literally enter their contract are aiming to go back to WWE.

SPEAKER_02: 14:08

I uh you sure it's WWE they're trying to go to?

SPEAKER_00: 14:12

They're going to eight uh AEW?

SPEAKER_02: 14:14

I mean, I haven't heard where they're going.

SPEAKER_00: 14:17

Uh the WWE.

SPEAKER_02: 14:18

Fair enough.

SPEAKER_00: 14:19

So the TNA has been uh also they're gonna lose Leon Slater at some point to WWE. But continue.

SPEAKER_02: 14:27

Their TNA leading into their debut show have been being sh literally stripped butt ass naked.

SPEAKER_00: 14:36

They they got they got they got handled, okay?

SPEAKER_02: 14:40

I mean, and it's like even in this process, because as he brought up, Joe Hendry, goddamn, uh for all intents and purposes, Leon Slater. Joe something. They uh they they have uh Josh Alexander, um, what's her name?

SPEAKER_00: 14:58

Um You're talking about going to AEW or WWE? Well the well. She was a TNA person.

SPEAKER_02: 15:06

But as well as things like these people who they've lost, they've lost these people on their way to a TV deal. Yes. Like Jordan Grace was the first one, and then they lost it was crazy because the people who are helping them to this TV deal was the ones who first started cherry picking from out of their roster. Now, the nice thing that they've done is they're like, hey, I know that we've taken these people and put them on our payroll, but you can borrow them. But then they're like, But since we're letting you borrow them, uh give us your that that boy right there, that real good one with the belt.

SPEAKER_00: 15:47

Yo, yo, that Leon Slater, yeah, give us him.

SPEAKER_02: 15:50

So it's like, so in between that and then the fact that unfortunately TNA, they don't got the money. They don't got the money to combat AEW. If Tony Khan goes to TNA and they're all like, hey, I got this big wad of cash here for y'all to come through and be on my show. Who's trying to come through? And then the the TNA stars look at TNA like, can y'all match that?

SPEAKER_00: 16:18

Except the Hardy boys, apparently.

SPEAKER_02: 16:21

But see, when it comes, well, well, because the Hardy boys have already been there.

SPEAKER_00: 16:25

Yeah, that's what I'm saying.

SPEAKER_02: 16:26

The Hardy's have already because it's one of those deals where the Hardys, okay, they are at a point in their career where it doesn't matter about the money, Spider-Man. They don't have to worry about the money. The money does not matter to them. I don't know because in AEW they weren't doing anything.

SPEAKER_00: 16:46

True. Yes, they weren't doing anything. Sorry, I take that back. Actually, they were going to win the tag titles. Jeff was just fucking up. But here's the thing. And now he's now he's a lot better. I think he would do better over there.

SPEAKER_02: 16:59

But here's the thing, though. And and of course, and I could be wrong. I could be blowing smoke out my ass. But with where I'm looking at right now, because once again, they've been to AEW, they got paid the AEW money kind of thing, but they're on TNA right now. Now the Hardys are in a wonderful position, I would like to think and believe, where, unlike some wrestlers we've talked about in the past, they don't have to think wallet first and then legacy. They're at a point in their career where it does not it it the money is nice, but I don't think they care about the money. At this point, they care about their legacy and the craft and what they can do for the business type situation. Yeah, yeah, yeah. As where some someone like a Jake something, Mr.

SPEAKER_00: 17:57

Doyle himself, uh do a Doyle counter at the end of this or some shit. I don't know.

SPEAKER_02: 18:04

He does not have that luxury of a namesake because his something, while it was in TNA, was kind of sort of amounting to nothing because TNA didn't pull a trigger on him. So now that he has become a Doyle, there's a lot of money that has that has to have been thrown at him to be Jake Doyle. Come over to TNA and join the Don Callis family. And I'm talking about a family that is 16, 17 to 20 people deep. Okay? And he is behind people like uh Okada.

SPEAKER_00: 18:42

Okada, Takeshka, Takeshka. We got uh Andrade and we have Jake uh Fletcher Fletcher, and that's the thing we got murderhawk, you know.

SPEAKER_02: 18:54

And and Josh Alexander and Murderhawk come underneath those first four people that we said out of 16 plus people.

SPEAKER_00: 19:04

They also do got that one uh luchador that's supposed to be a copy of um hologram.

SPEAKER_02: 19:09

El Khan. Once again, and that's coming after those first four people who we said, who are main event names that we dropped. So to go from a singles competitor in TNA on his at the time on his way to being a champion, to go to a group filled with guys who have much higher namesake than you do, like that would be like lonely old me going to the as we compare it to the NWO. When you look at when you look back at the people who are in the NWO, what I look like trying to outshine a Hulk Hogan, uh Kevin Nash, Hulk Hogan, Scott Hall, Randy Savage. I'm in The biggity back of the line.

SPEAKER_00: 20:02

Yup.

SPEAKER_02: 20:03

However, interestingly enough, they kind of trying to prove me a little wrong here because they pushed Doyle and Davis to being number one contenders to face FTR.

SPEAKER_00: 20:14

And they're not going to win it though. Oh, I mean.

unknown: 20:18

Nah.

SPEAKER_02: 20:19

It's FTR. They're going to hold that belt for a little bit. I mean, honestly, I don't see them winning it. But if they do, because at that point, in my mind here, only because we've seen WWE do this, it's only because AEW has the money to bully TNA like this. It's that whole president of like, hey, TNA wrestlers, look what we did to Doyle. Look at that belt he's wearing. And he just showed up. That could be you.

SPEAKER_00: 21:02

Could be you. Oh my god.

SPEAKER_02: 21:04

Could be you. Because on the flip side, and and it's and and then only learn this from WWE because uh look at uh geez. I can just pick from uh uh Saints. Look at Saints. Oh yeah, he's held gold. They got him looking like a star over there. Or Ethan Page or Ethan Page. Ethan Page is a hell of a two-dults. He is traveling, he is making money, he is raw. Or the the poster child herself. No, but that is a good one. I'm talking about Jade Cargill. Oh yeah Jade Cargill. She was she was the originator, she was the original.

SPEAKER_00: 21:55

But it took her like a a year and some change, though.

SPEAKER_02: 21:58

But but but even though it may have taken a year and some change for her to get a belt, look at how they brought her in, bro. Oh, that part. Look at the red carpet. The red carpet arrival. She didn't even have a match, and they would just bring her out glistening in the silver crazy suit outfit thing that she was wearing. White hair, you know, like they're just like, this this girl right here is it, fresh from AEW. I can hear Mr. McKinnon right now. Just so now AEW is in a position where they could do the same thing to TNA talents. TA is getting pimped out and cooked right now, bro. And it's horrible. When you look at their debut show, okay. Oh, this is leading into Genesis. Because all of this is a necessary preface. Leading into their show, Doyle. Their rascals are gone, who were originally booked with Leon Slater. With Leon Slater on that show. Yoink taken. Visa?

unknown: 23:16

No.

SPEAKER_02: 23:17

Now there is this whole Visa issue, which I press X for doubt.

SPEAKER_00: 23:27

That's a D that's a deep cut for those who don't get it.

SPEAKER_02: 23:29

That's a D cut. Like, like uh press X for doubt, but at the same time, there's a part of me that feels like there has to be some convalidity because Luna, Dana Luna was not there, and she was supposed to have a whole contract signing because she's literally supposed to be fighting for the title. Oh, yeah, and she couldn't make it. Yeah, apparently she couldn't make it. But like the whole Leon Slater thing, which once again to me, it's a very cuck move from in my in my eyes. Because, yeah, Leon Slayer couldn't show up to the debut show, but he's over there on SmackDown. SmackDown fighting, who was it? Uh uh for the United States title. Carmelo Hayes. Yes. Uh having well, apparently it was a banger of a match.

SPEAKER_00: 24:19

It was. But like definitely should have watched that.

SPEAKER_02: 24:22

But I I mean, granted, maybe he can grab some of those people while he's there because he is the X Division champion. But like all of this going on, and then on their show, their uh the inspiration, aka the iconics, lose the belts because they're leaving, because they're dipping out. So literally live on TV, you have your talent packing their bags and leaving.

SPEAKER_00: 24:56

And I'm just that is actually crazy, though, when you think about it. That is crazy.

SPEAKER_02: 25:01

Yes, and you know it what makes it crazy, because especially if they do go to AEW, it's even funnier because WWE is actively doing that to AEW right now with Powerhouse Hobbs. Which, by the way, Powerhouse Hobbs did take the pen to lose those titles. Oh, yeah, you saw that. Yeah, I told you. So, but like origin, I won't even say originally. I still think, with all of this foolishness, from a fan's point of view, I feel TNA didn't have a horrible show. I thought it was good for what it was, but it definitely was not second. It was not second best company in the US worthy of a show.

SPEAKER_00: 25:58

The Hardy's weren't even on there, were they? They were. Were they matched? Were they in the match?

SPEAKER_02: 26:02

They were the first match. Oh, they fought the Order 4.

SPEAKER_00: 26:06

Yeah, you're right, you're right, you're right. Kind of thing.

SPEAKER_02: 26:08

And they set up their whole tag team match against uh the righteous and stuff.

SPEAKER_00: 26:13

Which that was a weird match. We can get we didn't get that.

SPEAKER_02: 26:16

And so but it's just one of those things. Like, I will say the the two things that I felt that hurt TNA that night, excluding the whole Visa issue, was the fact that TNA, they've been being they they've kind of sort of been doing uh they've been hanging out with WWE for a little too long because partnership is fucking them. Well, no, no, no. That's a debatable bit, which we could probably we could talk about if you like, but I'm saying they're picking up bad habits that WWE has picked up, aka the whole uh um uh celebrity role situation that they had going on.

SPEAKER_00: 26:56

I'm just like uh we don't we don't give a fuck about who these celebrities are, we don't care if you watch wrestling.

SPEAKER_02: 27:04

We don't need the celebrity thing. Now, Grant, they did try to spin it with the whole Nick uh uh uh Nimethus Brother going out there kind of deal. But it's like one of those things I'm like leave the celebrities in the crowd, all right? TNA needs to focus on what their strength is and has always been, and that is the wrestling in their stories. Because TNA, outside of everything, they at least they can they know how to give story. Whether if the story is good or bad is one thing, but they know how to story, and they obviously always have known how to wrestle, or at least I thought, because that second piece to me that I was like, oh, come on, was when going into the Santana match that they had that night, and uh they they were they're they're over here picking up bad habits from AEW, which thank God AEW has kind of sort of been breaking themselves of this bad habit of these uh overbooked false finishing finishes. Oh yeah, you know, dropping people on their heads and ah and and we continue to all right, all right. Like out of those two take those particular uh critiques, I was not superbly upset with the show because if someone was just watching it, not knowing anything prior, they did a decent job of trying to introduce themselves with some of like their uh little cuts, like their backstage cutscenes that they did, talking about the belts and the history of it and the lineage. I thought those were great.

SPEAKER_00: 28:50

I find it funny that you say that because that nigga came from AEW. But the funny part about it is Mike Santana originally started in TNA, went to AEW, hung out with them, got those bad habits, took them back to TNA, and started doing that shit.

SPEAKER_02: 29:06

So it's there.

SPEAKER_00: 29:07

Uh yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02: 29:09

And so then there's Genesis. Oh, let me go ahead and get this toilet paper. We're gonna get rid of shit on this motherfucker. After by the time we get to Genesis here, I feel that TNA has been fraud. I feel like with all the stuff that's happened this week and continuing to happen, TNA has been stripped of their dignity. And they don't have they don't have anything left anymore. They have, they have been, they've been like, it's like they've been like slut shamed or something. You know what I'm saying?

SPEAKER_00: 29:45

Like they're stripped of their dignity is crazy. No, I mean looking at the car, whenever they presented the car for Genesis, I was like, there is not one match I give a fuck about. I give no fucks about any of these matches.

SPEAKER_02: 29:58

Because they've been stripped of everything that they could have put into this pay-per-view. Yes. So it was just like they need stimulation. They just said, uh we just gotta, we gotta use what we got. Because if there are these visa issues that are apparently going on.

SPEAKER_00: 30:14

It's not even that. There's nothing in their roster that makes you say this is musty TV. There's no story in their roster that's musty TV. Now, I will say Santino's daughter, she is cutting some good promos. Because I saw that on Genesis. I was like, damn, I know Santino's daughter is a good promo.

SPEAKER_02: 30:31

We appreciate those likes, Lila. You know what I'm saying? I know out here running up the likes. Don't hurt your fingers now. Uh with all these likes you're throwing in there. But but yeah, no, no. I uh now I I will say the whole thing, listen, she's on her uh uh early Stephanie McMahon uh women's title uh uh uh uh Yeah, but she cutting the promos though. Oh, no, no. That's what I'm saying.

SPEAKER_00: 30:57

Oh, like oh when she got it, got it, got it, got it. Bro, when you might you Armageddon 2000, Armageddon 2000, Stephanie, yes.

SPEAKER_02: 31:06

No, oh absolutely. Like, cause there was a promo that she did a couple of weeks ago, like after she betrayed her father. Yeah, fam. When she came out there, fam, that was so Stephanie McMahon coded, it would like, I mean, almost to a D. I want you to get real with that shit.

SPEAKER_00: 31:26

Like, make funny, as he said of Paul Heyman.

SPEAKER_02: 31:29

Listen, she she came out there and cut the meanest promo on Santino on some daddy's little girl shit. Now I'm this princess type fam. She she did her thing. And it's one of those things where, like, prior to this, I don't give a fuck about no stacks, Lorenzo. Like, you know what I'm saying? Like, I don't care about no stacks. Even when he had the whole family gimmick thing going on, and then they broke up and they're doing all this other stuff. Like, I didn't care about stacks.

SPEAKER_00: 32:01

But she's making me care about stacks. Yes. Because he kind of looks like a he kind of wants to look like Ricky Saints. Kind of like a knockoff Ricky Saints, even though Ricky Saints is a knockoff rock. So it's like a it's like a great value, great, great value.

SPEAKER_02: 32:17

I don't I don't think you can go any more greater value. I mean, unless you just if Piggly Wiggly. Piggly Wiggly, what the get the fuck out of here. Hell no. I I was going to easily just say, you know, you you have your great value and then you just have your dollar store brand. Like Okay, so Dollar General. There you go. But Piggly Wiggly. Gee.

SPEAKER_00: 32:38

That's full shit.

SPEAKER_02: 32:39

That was full shit, right now. Well, see that that's like up north hood shit. There ain't no piggly wigglies in the floor. That's what I'm saying. Oh no, I know that you're from North Carolina, but that's that's the Oh, you know what? Albertsons. Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. We're not gonna disrespect Albersons now. All right. We're not gonna disrespect Albersons. Listen, I I am an Albersons stand. Nah, same, same. I'm just fucking with you.

SPEAKER_00: 33:07

I'm just fucking with you.

SPEAKER_02: 33:08

And unfortunately, goddamn chicken. Listen, Publix ran Albersons out of Florida. That's the problem.

SPEAKER_00: 33:14

That's facts, that's facts.

SPEAKER_02: 33:15

Because apparently there are actually Albertsons like on the Albersons. Listen, either up north, uh, I was told on the West Coast, actually. Like Albertsons ran all the way to the to the West Coast. Just like Eckert's drugstore, like apparently last I checked, ran all the way to the to the West Coast. Oh, okay. Type thing.

SPEAKER_00: 33:33

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SPEAKER_00: 34:21

Absolutely. So remember, the set the ring is sacred. The questions are always real, but the destruction, guaranteed.

unknown: 34:29

But yeah.

SPEAKER_02: 34:31

Going back, going into this pay-per-view, so I don't quite remember. First match. So if I'm not mistaken, the first match was Elias going up against Ollie.

SPEAKER_00: 34:42

Which, by the way, Elias, bro, I need your workout plan, bro. Because you are Elijah. Elijah. You are jacked. No pause. Okay. I mean, he's that man's ripped. He stays in Winter Park somewhere. I've seen him at my job. I need to work out with that nigga, bro. That boy. That boy.

SPEAKER_02: 34:59

Yeah, no.

SPEAKER_00: 35:01

I know I'm gonna get praise moments too. I'm gonna get paid praise breaks, but shit. If I'm gonna if I'm gonna look like him. Listen, God bless, right? Shit. But nah, okay, this match. So um, yeah, you go ahead. Go ahead and sprinkle whatever sprinkles you can do on it, but I'm about to shit on it. You don't you didn't like this match? It was aye, actually. It was aye, uh, okay. I think I'm gonna let you know this right now. I'm I'm coming in this a little biased, okay? I'm a little biased because as of Matt Hardy's comment, I'm supposed to be watching the the second best promotion. So I sat here and said, okay, first pay-per-view of the year, you better show me. And I was I had hater aid glasses on, and I was just waiting on that moment and be like, you know what? I'll take these off now. So I'll admit, I was a little biased.

SPEAKER_02: 35:58

Yeah, hi key. I actually uh I'd pay to see you sitting there watching this pay-per-view with Jamie Hader's glasses on.

SPEAKER_00: 36:04

I wasn't thinking of Jamie Hader, but I said just hate oh got it. Let me go look at her glasses. I'ma see, I'm gonna see what they look like. And maybe I might actually be able to do that. So that wasn't it wasn't a bad match, actually. It was uh it was pretty decent. The match was fine.

SPEAKER_02: 36:24

I personally think the match was fine, yeah. Um but it was not I I think it was fine for what it was, but like I Michael. I wasn't too big on like what's going on with their feud. And I kind of feel bad for Elijah because like he was on this upcoming rise of becoming possibly their champion. Yeah, and then he like ripped his his bicep type situation.

SPEAKER_00: 36:57

They don't pull the trigger on people, man.

SPEAKER_02: 36:59

Which is unfortunate. But uh the only I feel the only reason why they didn't pull the trigger on them is because they were well not just that, but there's also the fact that like during this time they was deep in the NXT situation.

SPEAKER_00: 37:12

Oh, the trick and A. Yeah. Yes, Trick and A was running wild. Trick and A was running wild, and I'm boy, I miss it. And so um oh, so you ain't got nothing to say about the match at all. Just it was a match. Yes, it was indeed a match. It was I will agree, it was indeed a match. Ali doesn't have bad matches because he's Ali. Um, but I will say the finish, I guess, makes sense, you know, using the guitar, getting the pen. It was just it's one of those situations of like, okay, Elias is going against technically five different niggas.

SPEAKER_02: 37:52

Yes.

SPEAKER_00: 37:52

What do you expect? Like him to get the dub? Like, if he does, he gotta do it like with some help from people, get rid of the the the order four, which the order four were pushed away from the building, or was it just secret agent? I couldn't remember what it is.

SPEAKER_02: 38:06

No, the whole squad got pushed away. So agent zero. Agent zero the only one that was left in the ring was the girl. Yeah, okay. And then, you know, cracked him in the back with the guitar and all this other stuff.

unknown: 38:16

Oh no.

SPEAKER_02: 38:19

I am uh uh uh try again. I am not a robot. But I did it.

SPEAKER_03: 38:26

What the fuck you talking, bitch?

SPEAKER_00: 38:28

Okay, uh, but yes, uh Zero was I thought Zero was the only one at one point, but it was said to kill other people.

SPEAKER_02: 38:34

No, no, the whole squad was out there. It's just that Zero was the one who first got in trouble, and then like the other two members were all like, oh we didn't do anything. The reference was like, you know what, all of y'all could go. And that so it was like numbers game, of course. Ollie wins, he's the bad guy.

SPEAKER_00: 38:48

Yeah, moving on. But uh it wasn't that bad of a match. There was that spot where he did that, like he he like horse kicked homie off of him, like uh Elijah. Yes, and I was like, damn.

SPEAKER_02: 38:59

Yeah, that looked legit.

SPEAKER_00: 39:01

I actually thought he was a horse.

SPEAKER_02: 39:02

That was tough.

SPEAKER_00: 39:03

I thought he was a horse.

SPEAKER_02: 39:04

That was uh that was that was a hard hit right there. Um but continuing on. But um second match was uh so I do believe the second match what and this is the part that had me like and why I'm like, man, TNA, y'all gotta, y'all gotta get your shit together. Because AJ Francis and Rick Swan, if I'm not mistaken. Actually, I'm not gonna lie, that kind of was match of the night for me. So it was a good match, but here's the problem, though. When you go back and you think about their debut show, knowing that they have this pay per view. Ah, they never did anything to promote the match, there was nothing to promote it. Yeah, AJ Francis was out there in the crowd, but okay, whatever. And then it's like they have. This mat. They didn't do no kind of promotion for this map. Instead of pandering to these celebrities in the YouTubers and social media people, as a lot of people was joking about how like when they're showing off these people, you look behind them and there's like a bunch of empty seats. And so it's like, damn, y'all, yeah, y'all exposing yourself right now. It was like at least AEW has at least enough common sense to not show you that side. You know, like, god damn. So it's like they they there was no promotion for this match, and this was one of the better matches that they had. I literally say match for that. Especially for the feud that this was.

SPEAKER_00: 40:46

And here's the issue too. With AJ Francis, I've always just said, he's not a great wrestler to me. But I it took me this match to say, you know what? I can understand him as a wrestler, what value he brings to a match. He's like a Kevin Nash. You know what I'm saying? He's a big guy. He's not agile, but he can he can make a smaller wrestler look good because he can keep up with you. So I will admit, his finisher, the down payment show slam, that is a dope ass name. I'm sorry. I did not know that was the name. And I'm just like, he actually does hit it clean. It is a clean show slam to make me say I feel. Yeah, that's a finisher.

SPEAKER_02: 41:29

I feel the issue that AJ Francis has had is just the fact that they have not been putting him in the right kind of matches or just booking him correctly.

SPEAKER_00: 41:39

Well, yeah, I mean, he did have the Leon Slater match last pay-per-view, and that was a good match too.

SPEAKER_02: 41:44

Yes, and that's the thing, because like they it's just that the I it's either the fact that they're making him wrestle in a way that does not fit him, or they've been putting him in the ring with people that don't mesh with him.

SPEAKER_00: 41:57

I feel like he needs to stay against stay uh going against X Division guys. Because him going against like a moose or something like that, two big guys, he needs to be the the the Goliath in every fight.

SPEAKER_02: 42:10

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00: 42:10

Because they make him shine.

SPEAKER_02: 42:12

Cause, yeah, I I can I would agree with that bit. But as well as things like the whole like collapse of this group that he's kind of sort of had. First class. First class. Like, it I feel as if that among the other things that they decide to push instead, like, I feel this should have been pushed. This should have been put on a front and center type situation so that it could live up to what the match ended up being. Because, you know, Rick Swan is a ex heavyweight champion of the channel. Two time, by the way.

SPEAKER_00: 42:55

So it's like it said it a lot during that show, by the way. Previous ex the previous heavyweight champion. I'm like, Eddie Edwards, yeah. This person, yeah. So why are they not doing anything? But we'll get to that. But we'll get to that. I just I just had to put that out there because you mentioned it, and I'm like, okay, Rich Schwann, Eddie Edwards, Moose, all these are technically main event people not doing shit.

SPEAKER_02: 43:21

But go on. And so where this match, it was great, and I absolutely enjoyed it. It's just that they did not push it like they needed to, because this match pushes story. Okay? Story was supposed what could have easily been pushed for this. Just like how with the Ali and what's his name? Uh uh in uh Elijah.

SPEAKER_00: 43:43

They they only showed the the they didn't do a package, you know, like whatever, like everybody else did.

SPEAKER_02: 43:48

But it's like, but there is a story that can be pushed with this match that can carry over to the next episode of TNA type situation. So like after this match has happened with, you know, with AJ Francis and them, now I want to see where this is going to lead on TNA type thing. But then, and I might be skipping around only because I really want to go ahead and get into this, because then we have the thing that they did decide to push real heavily on TNA, and it's like, but why? And and I don't want to sound like a jerk when I say this, but you're talking about that last dance. But it's like TNA. We need you guys to get over. Okay, we need TNA to at least attempt.

SPEAKER_00: 44:46

What I think they said was, hey, John Cena had a retirement match, and fans love going all out for retirements because it's hey, this is a wrestler you may like, da-da-da-da. And they said, Man, let's see if we can bank on that with JDC. But here's the thing, you forget JDC ain't really that big of a name. He's a great wrestler. Dirty Dangle, I really appreciate it. I like that name better than JDC. I don't know why he lost, he got rid of Dirty Dango. Dirty Dango is cool, but like, what have you done? What is your accolades outside of the WrestleMania match with Jericho? That's the only one, and that's the one they kept talking about during the match.

SPEAKER_02: 45:28

Which is like, okay. Because you saying that, because he's been in TNA for a while.

SPEAKER_00: 45:35

I didn't know that before, yo. That was crazy. Seeing those videos of him, I did not know that.

SPEAKER_02: 45:39

But it's one of those things I'm like, in his time in TNA, like, what belts did he win?

SPEAKER_00: 45:48

None to my knowledge.

SPEAKER_02: 45:50

If he did win, they didn't talk about it.

SPEAKER_00: 45:52

No kind of thing. He never won a heavyweight title. Nothing.

SPEAKER_02: 45:56

And so it's just one of those deals where it's like it's I it's one of those things they I they were trying to make us care so much about this match when respectfully, there really wasn't a whole lot to really want to care about. There is so many more things, so many more talents that y'all could have been trying to spotlight right now. And I'm like, I mean, sure, I understand he this is his last match, you know, he's retiring and all this other stuff. But it's one of those things like I there's a time and a place in my mind.

SPEAKER_00: 46:32

There was no, here's the thing about the match: there was nothing on the line that made us care. He was going against his fucking friend for Christ's sakes. Like, okay, so it's not gonna be that crazy of a match. There's no, oh man, this person's gonna destroy them. Like, okay, at least with John Cena and Gunther, you have the intimidation of Gunther, like, oh shit, he could really fuck John Cena up, even though the match was not that great. But there's that intimidation factor of like, I don't know what's gonna happen here.

SPEAKER_02: 47:02

And there's and there's a lot more of a uh, there is more of a like with the John Cena one, you know, match be damned, Gunther wins, and now Gunther has gone on and continued talking shit about John Cena. Where's the build act then? There was there is though it's that's not been fucking great at all.

SPEAKER_00: 47:24

Like it that's actually been kind of with the Gunther stuff?

SPEAKER_02: 47:27

The Gunther stuff has been kind of shit.

SPEAKER_00: 47:28

I mean, because all they just use it is like the like he just keeps doing that. He's not doing anything elevated, yeah.

SPEAKER_02: 47:35

Yeah, it though the Gunther stuff has been kind of shit, but that's just that's on booking. Yeah, that's but there was something that they could have done with it.

SPEAKER_01: 47:43

Yes.

SPEAKER_02: 47:44

And so with this match, outside of it just being a match, that that's actually all it was. It really was.

SPEAKER_00: 47:50

It's just a match. Because there was a point where like JDC, he's actually beating Eddie Edwards' ass. Like he's beating his ass. And then suddenly we get one Boston Tea Party, but one Boston D party. And then suddenly the whole shit flips. He hits another move, he hits another Boston D party, he hits another Boston E party, and then he hits one more. Which by the way, if you gotta hit your finisher four fucking times on somebody, you might need a new finisher, okay?

SPEAKER_02: 48:18

Yeah, and that's that's where we get into that. Alright, you guys are you guys overbooked this. Y'all, you you guys went a little too above and beyond, and now you've kind of you shat yourselves a little bit with this.

SPEAKER_00: 48:32

He didn't even leave his boots in the ring.

SPEAKER_02: 48:35

So, I I mean, details when it comes to that. But my whole bit is more so the fact like I feel there is plenty of other things they could have had here. And once again, it it's nothing against him retiring, but I just feel as if it's just the fact like there was a lot of for what TNA needs to be doing right now, low-key, this could have waited. Okay, I can see what you mean. Like, like, I don't want to take away from his retirement and you know what he's done in his career because freaking like uh You gave your body and soul to the ring, so we definitely do appreciate you. And it's not like people don't like him because like freaking listen, Johnny Curtis was one of Cecil's biggest, like he he fucking loved Johnny Curtis.

SPEAKER_00: 49:25

I didn't know that.

SPEAKER_02: 49:25

Oh yeah, he was big on JDC for whatever fucking reason. When he was in TNA, just period. Oh, because he also followed him before he went to WWE. I think he liked him before he went to WWE. He was okay with him when he was doing the Fondango stuff and everything, but I think he did also like him when he went to TNA for a bit. Because he did watch a lot of TNA and and followed his come-up type situation. Yeah. Even though his come up did not do much, but at least give him a little bit more validity. But there's a reason why he was only in TNA this day.

SPEAKER_00: 50:00

Could you just imagine him being with us doing this shit, dude? God damn.

SPEAKER_02: 50:03

Oh, he would have been down for this.

SPEAKER_00: 50:04

Oh my god.

SPEAKER_02: 50:05

But goddamn. But going back to it, it's like I feel if they they I they they needed to wait. Because as someone, if if you were somebody who had just like was clicking through the channels, right, and all of a sudden saw like, oh, some new wrestling on A. Well, let me sit here and watch it. Why should I care about Johnny Curtis? Alright, so he's retiring. Alright, cool. Can we know what they could have done? As instead of filling this with his retirement, freaking um, oh man, what's his name? Cause he had this whole thing that he's been doing in uh it's funny, because on in TNA on the on the actual show, he was in the crowd, like just randomly sitting in a chair. Goddamn uh oh my god, what is his name?

SPEAKER_00: 50:59

Genesis?

SPEAKER_02: 51:00

No, no, no, no, no. Well, he was on on the actual on impact. He they showed him in the crowd, and he was just like sitting in a chair, freaking um ah, his name is he fucking he was uh the leader of insanity, goddamn it. Eric Young. There you go. Like that Eric Young going into this. That would have been a way better opponent. Listen, well, not even not even fighting that. Eric Young going into this had like this whole little cult thing that he was trying to start. You know, like he was like uh like what like when they had their shows at the the the uh the the center in Orlando, like he's outside, he's passing out these these you know these papers trying to get followers for whatever it was kind of thing. And it's like and that's just kind of sort of like to the wayside. And it's like what happened to the build on that, like see what you mean. We could have we could have built something towards that, we could have brought, we could have actually had him doing something on impact to you know further that as opposed to just sort of like, oh hey, he's sitting over there, you know what I'm saying? It's like TNA, and I think that and which was another thing that bothered me because as we're going to go into another one of the matches, the other piece that I was like, man, TNA, I really wish you would have utilized your TNA roster for this and Genesis. Because we want to spotlight and we want to see what TNA has. When you look at the TNA Impact show, we barely saw any of their roster that we know we have. They had that whole thing talking about the knockouts division, but we only saw the old knockouts. And then and then when we saw what knockouts we had, the only knockouts that they really showed was Xiong Lee and her friend.

SPEAKER_00: 53:06

Yep.

SPEAKER_02: 53:06

And then there was that questionable situation stuff with Ash by elegance and whatnot, and then winning the belt.

SPEAKER_00: 53:15

But it's like she didn't start doing commentary. Oh my god.

SPEAKER_02: 53:18

But it's like when you look at all of that, and then it's like Visa issues, the women's championship belt couldn't be defended against the person who uh earned the the their the their title match.

SPEAKER_00: 53:31

So instead, they bring in NXT Talent, which by the way, when they showed her the accolades of each wrestler, they show that Zyara had only like her only accolades, she is made attempts at multiple titles from TNA, WWE, and NXT, right? Here's the thing I've come to the conclusion if you have a Wasteland-like character gimmick in WWE, they will just never push you, bro. Because literally her gimmick gives Road Warrior vibes and almost uh the deception, yeah, the ascension, excuse me, and she's always the bride mate, never the fucking bride. Bro, every title match she's had, she takes the L. Everyone. So I was like, oh, you put her in this match? She's not fucking winning this title because why would she why would an NXT person win a title match on the first Genesis and the showing of TNA? I'm just thinking as a booker, right? So again, also as a booker, why we not make a TNA talent do this shit?

SPEAKER_02: 54:45

Like, bro, they have they have even Black Arkansas. They have plenty of bad bitches in the back in TNA, they got mad knockouts, at least last I checked, because I know AEW's been buying them up, so like, so it's like they we did not need to have a NXT person for this bit. And I mean, considering all that piece, you know, the one NXT person that they probably should have there wasn't even on the card tonight. What are you talking about? Oh, Toluca? No, no, no, no. No, she's I'm sorry, I meant the one TNA. Well, no, no, no. The one NXT person who that because he's got the title, goddamn uh uh uh stacks. He's got a TNA. He is he is effectively their TNA med-card champion. Right. All right, and he had a little promo, but like he didn't fight, he didn't do anything. Damn. And consider the fact that what there was because of the fact like that women's match. Now, don't get me wrong, the Zarya women's match was nice, it was fun.

SPEAKER_00: 56:04

It was it was it was second best, it was definitely second best. It was they were brawling, you know, very much. They were brawling, which again, with what with the comments that we're making, by the way. This is not to shame the match. It was just like, bro, the booking of like Zyara, like she's a great wrestler, she she looks like a great fucking talent. It's just they're always making her the bridesmaid. And I'm so mad. I'm frustrated for you, sweetie. I'm frustrated for you, okay? Because you should be dominating, okay. Your your your fucking Titentron shows you slamming bitches through concrete. How am I supposed to take you seriously if you can't be slamming bitches and winning? So it's like your Titentron is killing you because visually, as a person, if I'm going to an NXT show or I'm going to a TNA taping or this for the first time, your Titentron is supposed to help explain who you are to the other people who don't know who you are. So when I'm seeing this, I'm like, oh shit, she about to fuck her up then. That's what that Titentron shows me. But then you lose every time. So it makes it difficult to get hype for you in a match because she's portrayed as a big ass loser.

SPEAKER_02: 57:28

Respectfully.

SPEAKER_00: 57:29

Oh shit.

SPEAKER_02: 57:29

Respectfully. I didn't say that, but shit. What it is, shit. I actually if you I'm not even gonna do that because I don't want to embarrass her right now, but if you pull up the win-loss record, she is easily losing more than she's winning anything right now. Shit. Like losing and taking pens, like shit.

SPEAKER_00: 57:56

Well, I mean, it was the second best match of the night, but god damn it in a TNA, bro. What the fuck? So the next one, this one, I if it's what I think it is, this one pissed me off.

SPEAKER_02: 58:09

Is it a nicknamed one? So I believe that would be I'm a little, I think I'm gonna be a little bit more than that. No, it's definitely that match.

SPEAKER_00: 58:16

No, it's definitely that match. I remember that because the next one is the triple threat, and then it's the uh no, the next one is the Hardees. This is the Hardy's and then the threat. So let's have a conversation with this nickname it versus uh I think her name is Maria's is it worth what's it again?

SPEAKER_02: 58:33

It's uh uh Sade Maria Sade Side She bad as fuck. Listen, she's the part uh Lash Legends old tag team partner, baddest Jakara Jackson, as we used to like to call her.

SPEAKER_00: 58:52

Fuck. Like I'm looking at this, I'm like, this is this a black Lita?

SPEAKER_02: 58:56

Cause like she came out that's that's a lot of respect you're trying to put.

SPEAKER_00: 59:00

Bro, but the way she came outside, bro, like she came outside looking like Lita, bro. Team extreme. Like you can't tell me she looked like that.

SPEAKER_02: 59:07

I mean, she kind of had a she kind of she did kind of have that aesthetic going on, even though that's not her vibe.

SPEAKER_00: 59:13

That's not her, yeah. No, but did wait, didn't she do some stuff with Hardy's though?

SPEAKER_02: 59:16

No, not who was the girl that's been helping out the Hardys? I mean, I uh uh Mariah, not Sade. Okay, uh, I don't know what girl you're talking about.

SPEAKER_00: 59:26

There were some spots where a girl came out and she was like trying to do team extreme stuff with them, like every once in a moment.

SPEAKER_02: 59:32

No, definitely wasn't her.

SPEAKER_00: 59:33

Okay, well, either way, but she came out there dressed up looking like Lita from the 2000s, and I was like, bruh. Alright, but she was she was looking bad in this match. But the the premises of this match is she's been super kicking him for the last couple of months, and we're finally gonna get a match with these two in here. Why did we need this?

SPEAKER_02: 59:54

On the pay per view, on the pay per view, yeah, questionable. Like they could have honestly This could have been a TV show. This easily could have been a TV match.

SPEAKER_00: 1:00:04

Literally, could have been a bathroom break match. Well, I wasn't gonna give them that. Because they didn't do anything. They didn't the only reason why is because they didn't try to actually make it a match. It was just 15 minutes of Nick Nimmett goofing off. And I'm like, bro, if you're gonna make them wrestle, make them wrestle.

SPEAKER_02: 1:00:24

Yeah, it was uh it was a questionable booking decision, to say the least. Very questionable. All right, and so that is definitely one of those ones I was like, all right, guys, what are we, what are we doing? And especially with the pen. And the other, and now because I don't know when this change happened, but it's also not an unfamiliar situation in the indies where we have inner gender matches, these inner gender matches, guys versus girls type situation. And I'm not I'm not mad at it.

SPEAKER_00: 1:01:07

It is something I think I myself have to get used to. It can be done pro appropriately, and I don't want to keep bringing up Lucha Underground, but they were notorious for doing it and still making both wrestlers credible and make them look strong. Yeah, they still made them credible because again, we can go back to Chelsea Green versus Penta. That everybody wants that match for a reason because we can see the potential behind it, it is there. Sexy star against any of the luchas back in the day, credible matches, and there's places like GCW that do it, they do it and still make the wrestler look credible, and it's not no joke, like, oh, obviously, I'm overpowering you. Like, yeah, there's gonna be those moments, but then the the female wrestler will come up, come, come up adversity and do her shit, and then she's kicking ass.

SPEAKER_02: 1:02:02

Yeah, so it's like it can be done, and I've seen where they've done it relatively well on TNA.

SPEAKER_00: 1:02:09

Have you seen that Penta versus Chelsea Green match?

SPEAKER_02: 1:02:12

I've never watched it in its full. I've seen bits and pieces.

SPEAKER_00: 1:02:15

So I'm aware how crazy the shit was.

SPEAKER_02: 1:02:17

Oh, yeah, no. Okay, so but like, but how you were saying, like, it can be done, it can be done well. It was not executed well tonight. Definitely.

SPEAKER_00: 1:02:25

It was not it was definitely your your typical.

SPEAKER_02: 1:02:27

It was actually, yeah, it was it was the kind of Vincent McMahon shit. Exactly. Yeah, like, you know, like, oh, the girls gotta fight the guy. The guy's so much more strong than the girls. Put him in a chokehold and uh Yeah, it was they they uh they missed the mark. Yeah, which is crazy because once again, I have seen girls on TNA body dudes.

SPEAKER_00: 1:02:48

Yes.

SPEAKER_02: 1:02:49

So it's like, why did we regress right here?

SPEAKER_00: 1:02:52

Yes. Why do we pull a Vince McMahon era type match? I don't know. Next was the Hardy's versus the righteous. Uh I think his name is not Vincent. What's the other guy? Uh uh uh uh is it Duke? Is it Duke or Dutch or something like that? I think so. Dutch? Him and this tongue flick thing, bro. Bro, that's Diddy Party shit. He kept doing that during the match all that diddy party maximum flavor, and he's wearing all white, and diddy parties were all white. I'm just saying. It's very much Diddy party activity, sir. Yes, boy. And you doing it after every move, too. Oh man. Oh man, you just missing baby oil at this point, and it's called the righteous, almost like a hippie group. Come on, bro.

SPEAKER_02: 1:03:43

So I've seen the righteous before. I think it they were, I think they've always been on TNA.

SPEAKER_00: 1:03:49

Yeah, Vince has always been on TNA. I remember his dreads from no matter what.

SPEAKER_02: 1:03:52

It's like I like in the past, they were I I thought they were like a very dope, eerie team kind of thing. And now they're coming back right now. I feel so I think uh to me, the match was cool until that ending.

SPEAKER_00: 1:04:10

The ending was questionable to me. Here's the part that fucks up the whole ending. Yes, the build-up is we're fucking with the hardeys, we're fucking with the hardys in an in-ring perspective. Then we start involving kids, and we start pull, we start pulling up to your house and taking photos. We know where you live, we know how we in there, right? You saw that in the package. So this means this match, these niggas gotta die. That's the equipment. You know where my kids were. You you're on my kid. This is the equivalent, and you gotta get fucked up. Which Matt Hardy was on that time, he was on it. He was because whenever Vincent started, like, please, he was like, No, no, like the fuck. So, like, but just to twist a to twist of fate in a swan time, that's it. That's how you finish it.

SPEAKER_02: 1:05:00

So I feel as if, like, as far as you know, with what you're uh uh speaking on, like I feel that because it's a regular match and you don't want to get disqualified type situation, I feel the the the the amount of things that they did and the punishment that they was kind of going to was justified because like they can only take it so far in a regular one-on-one match or uh in a regular tag team match. But I do get where you're coming from because like they definitely should have been a bit more on their demon time-ish because of, you know, because they crossed the line, yeah, no pun intended. But but the part that I would say that was or the part that I'm questioning the mic. Yeah, like I like that part was a little weird. Like, this is what we wanted. We we wanted to feel pain. And I'm just like it was just very like it was so left field that nobody knew what was going on. Diddy, like the hardest look like they were confused and shit.

SPEAKER_00: 1:06:12

Like, we're we're we're gonna continue.

SPEAKER_02: 1:06:18

The crowd was kind of like, I don't know. I don't know, I don't know what's going on. Maybe it's building up to another the rubber match. So now they're easily going to fight again. All right. It's probably because the only thing that at least what I'm getting at is the fact that they're going to go and there's going to be more foolishness probably to ensue.

SPEAKER_01: 1:06:42

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02: 1:06:42

Kind of thing. And so it was just, it just felt weird and it looked weird, and the way that everyone reacted just aided to the weirdness of the situation.

SPEAKER_00: 1:06:55

Because it was like, you what we wanted to take a W? Is that what you're telling me? You wanted to take a W. Got it. So it was like whatever the angle they're going at, to me, it fell flat. It was your first tag team match as the righteous coming back, and that was what you gave us. Yeah, that's also another thing, too. Uh, but yeah, no, uh, wasn't a fan of the match. Get it out of here. Uh, then we had that triple threat, which by the way, I was watching somebody who was talking about the buildup to this, and they kept calling Chris uh uh Cedric Alexander Chris Bay, which I was like, Chris Bay. I don't know how I feel about that, bro. That's and he he kept looking at the card, and even he popped the card says Chris Bay. I'm like, that is Cedric Alexander, sir. So he he may have dreads, but that is not Chris Bay. You see what I'm saying now?

SPEAKER_02: 1:07:51

I was like, uh little bat, sir. So he so I out of all the matches on this card, Leon Slay was supposed to be in the smash, by the way. Yes, this is the match I have the biggest gripe with. Yeah, like the like I can excuse the whole card, but this was dog shit.

SPEAKER_00: 1:08:14

Yeah, no, no, no.

SPEAKER_02: 1:08:15

And now let me explain why this is dog shit, okay? Alright.

SPEAKER_00: 1:08:21

My body is ready.

SPEAKER_02: 1:08:22

Chris Bay. Or uh or uh uh uh a Cedric Alexander or or or uh or a special deep cut uh uh uh my boy Delgado, okay?

SPEAKER_00: 1:08:39

Or Trick Williams.

SPEAKER_02: 1:08:42

Trick Williams shorter brother. Yeah, okay. Uh shout out to my homie Delgado, though. But uh he is the number one contender for the title, okay. WWE cooked cooked TA and kept their champion, their biggest star right now, from being at this pay-per-view. So now Alexander has to wait for his number one contender match. So as a consolation prize, so that he can at least just be on the pay-per-view and have a match, he goes up against Moose, who, if I'm not mistaken, is the person who he beat to get the number one contendership.

SPEAKER_00: 1:09:34

Okay. I'm not gonna, oh, I'm gonna let you finish, but I ain't gonna lie, there's a special part about this match I really enjoy, but go ahead.

SPEAKER_02: 1:09:40

So he has to face up against Moose and then uh ex TNA who is full-time WWE start. They didn't want to put the NXT logo on that nigga. I saw that in the car, bro. I was like, bro, put the NXT on him, bro. Well, that's the thing. Joe Henry, he's he's I mean, he shows up at NXT, but he is a WWE star. Yeah. He is he is main roster. Oh, I didn't know.

SPEAKER_00: 1:10:07

I thought he's NXT.

SPEAKER_02: 1:10:09

No, he's been playing. I mean, he's been playing around in NXT still, but like let me put let me put it this way. He shows up on NXT, but he is getting paid WWE main roster money. Yeah, uh, get your bag, sir. He he is main roster contract.

SPEAKER_00: 1:10:29

And I also took a moment too to realize what I don't like about Joe Henry. Chris and we'll get to that. I see you, Toad. Nah, Chris. Oh. Not Chris Vang. Um, but here's here's here's my issue with this match, real quick. And there's one blessing thing. I came to the conclusion what I don't like about Joe Henry. He just looks like a dude to me. His gear doesn't give anything that appeals me. It's just white and blue. And he compared to the men in the match, by the way, you're looking at Cedric Alexander and Mooks, who to me look like talent. Joe Hendry just looks like a dude.

SPEAKER_02: 1:11:18

I mean that is a fair assessment of why you don't care for Joe Hendry.

SPEAKER_00: 1:11:23

Yeah, that's I think that's what it is. It's not, it's not the whole gimmick of him getting the song ishes. He just looks like a dude.

SPEAKER_02: 1:11:31

You just you don't like as well as say is that the way that he looks does not fit the role that they're putting him in as a rest as a superstar.

SPEAKER_00: 1:11:40

Yes. It's like there something else needs to draw me about because like his gear, he wears the same gear every time, he doesn't change anything. That's why I just like he doesn't have any swagger to me. He's just a dude. Who in the song is like to me all of him.

SPEAKER_02: 1:11:58

It has a lot to do with him. Yeah, and I think and uh I mean that which overall that's fair, but that's not my problem with this match.

SPEAKER_00: 1:12:07

Oh no, no, I'm just letting you know my finally what my assessing assessing the situation of me saying I don't like Joe Hendry, that is probably why.

SPEAKER_02: 1:12:16

But continue on. The what what kills me on this match is the fact that because Cedric, for all intents and purposes, leading into this pay-per-view, he's kind of he's been he's been big ups, my boy. Yeah, you know, he he's he's been getting his come up and he's been getting his W's and all this other stuff, right? My problem, number one, is the fact that this match has to happen. This triple threat match. My second problem is the fact that we go through this whole match, and the number one contender is the one that takes the pin. Oh, yeah, Joe Henry dot the doves. Not only is my problem that the number one contender who was originally supposed to be fighting for the title at this pay-per-view takes the pin, but the number one contender who they've been pushing up to this point, lose on this pay-per-view taking the pin from a WWE superstar in Joe Hendry.

SPEAKER_00: 1:13:29

You know what? WWE said, yeah, you could borrow him, but that ain't got a win though. Why did Joe Hendry, the WWE superstar, have to go and beat the TNA star who is the number one contender cut now, the deep cut for the X Division title that's not here right now. That's a deep cut.

SPEAKER_02: 1:13:56

As a matter of fact, the X Division title is on SmackDown getting pinned by the WWE superstar.

SPEAKER_00: 1:14:08

That's even worse, deep cut. I would just go into the first no, we're going all the way. Whoa.

SPEAKER_02: 1:14:22

TNA is sitting in the corner. Not in listen, that they're TNA is fully clothed, sitting in the corner, watching their superstars get boned.

SPEAKER_00: 1:14:36

In the chair in the hotel. Top level just this is TNA right now. I hope you're having fun, sweetie. This is TNA. Just WWE's looking at you in the eyes, just TNA?

SPEAKER_02: 1:15:02

You like that TNA?

SPEAKER_01: 1:15:05

You gotta talk the hunter voice off, bro. That's crazy.

SPEAKER_00: 1:15:11

It's all part of the show. Tony's like, hey yo, I brought the honey, I brought the honey packs. Oh, it's TNA here. Hey yo, hey, WWE.

SPEAKER_02: 1:15:22

Tony Connor said, I brought the honey packs.

SPEAKER_00: 1:15:24

I brought the honey packs.

SPEAKER_02: 1:15:26

It's all part of the show.

SPEAKER_00: 1:15:27

TNA, TNA's just gonna watch.

SPEAKER_02: 1:15:29

It's all part of the show.

SPEAKER_00: 1:15:30

Are you entertained? Oh, wait, wait, wait. D looks at the suit, are you ready? Are you ready? Looks at TNA Games. I said, are you ready? That's wild. That's wild. This was the biggest gate.

SPEAKER_02: 1:15:56

This was the biggest gate.

SPEAKER_03: 1:16:04

Oh my god.

SPEAKER_02: 1:16:05

It is at this point. I'm just like, man, leave TNA alone, guys. Just let can just let TNA live.

SPEAKER_00: 1:16:14

All right, so let me talk about the one thing I enjoyed that was a uh it was a comeback moment for me. So the first time I was ever introduced to Cedric Alexander and Moose was at Ring of Honor 2016. They had a feud against each other. And this is when Moose was full on football. And that was the first time I was ever introduced to them. To see them both finally back in the ring facing each other 10 years later. That was a cool moment for me as a fan to see where they have come.

SPEAKER_02: 1:16:54

You know, oh, like getting getting cooked by uh WWE superstars.

SPEAKER_00: 1:16:59

Well, I mean, ROH wise, I mean, damn, that's crazy. Okay, so they both were ROH, and then y'all Cedric went to WWE and then Moose went to TNA, you know, and obviously shit didn't work for Cedric, but he came into TNA and now he's facing Moose again. It's just they haven't faced each other in 10 years. And as me being introduced to both wrestlers, I got introduced to them both in ROH. And it was at a pay-per-view I was watching because I wanted to see J Lethal match, and they were like maybe the first or second match, and to see where they came from, where they have elevated in 10 years as wrestlers, I was like, damn, this is a dope moment.

SPEAKER_02: 1:17:38

That's fair, yeah. It's just too bad that Moose is the biggest loser on the face.

SPEAKER_00: 1:17:44

What was that back spot on the steps and being out for like eons, bro? And then here's the medical staff. Medical staff, you're not moving him properly to see the injury. You're trying to tell I'm gonna test you under here. Is it is it you gotta move you gotta lay him on his stomach and check the pressure. You you he's laying on the injury, get him off the injury. How lay him on his side, something. This is how I was like, and what is the president doing there? Why why do you gotta be here right now? Yeah, you're about as bad as Tony. Actually, a little worse. No, at least listen, Tony, he knows how to stay off TV. He now, before he didn't, but now he's he's fixed that shit. This is why I say he's early Tony. Because Tony was everything.

SPEAKER_02: 1:18:36

But I mean, but even with that, like I that part, I don't I don't pay much mind to that piece because like if I let me put it this way the reason why I don't pay any mind to it is because uh the medical staff across the board is garbage.

SPEAKER_00: 1:18:53

No, no, no. The reason why I say that is because there was such a a pause to the match, the match like completely halted as if, oh shit, do we have an ex? And then like Cedric and Joe are like they supposedly fucking wrestling. They're just oh shit, moose. I don't know, bro. And that was like three minutes of just then it was like, I guess we can fucking keep wrestling, and then they can go back in the ring. So I was like, why do we immediately pause?

SPEAKER_02: 1:19:24

I mean once again, like that part didn't bother me so much. That bothered the fuck out of me. Because it it's uh it's uh small details for me. It's been well see that's the thing though, because like that's kind of sort of been like a uh a uh a card that has been being played a lot recently. The the fake injury type situation or the the the injury spot. Like we there there has been a lot of those uh Honestly, just within the last 365 days, there's been a lot of that spot.

SPEAKER_00: 1:20:06

Okay, okay.

SPEAKER_02: 1:20:07

And so it's like, I can sure maybe they did not do it as as good looking. Maybe their medical staff is a a little less competitive. It wasn't medical staff.

SPEAKER_00: 1:20:20

It was somebody in the medical.

SPEAKER_02: 1:20:21

I want to say their medical staff might be a little less competent than you know the WWE medical staff kind of thing. When they come out there and they're like, You good? They actually get somebody from an EMT. So it's like it it is what it is. I don't pay too. I don't I don't pay too much mind to that. The magic hook activity, however. Because let it be known, talking when you was talking about Moose, yeah, Moose has been is the biggest loser right now. He even has a losing streak and they even talked about it. Yeah, the biggest, biggest, blackest loser out here. A BBL? You said not me. And then we got Alexander out here taking because now in my mind, right? Alexander has lost, lost this match to Joe Hendry. Obviously, we gotta throw Joe Hendry in this match against Leon Slater because he beat the number one contender. This was gonna be a match of black excellence. What are those? And then you get cucked. Listen, bro, it's not, it ain't February, so they got time. Hey, let's move forward. It ain't February, so they got time.

SPEAKER_00: 1:21:40

Let's shit on this last match.

SPEAKER_02: 1:21:42

So this last match.

SPEAKER_00: 1:21:44

Which, by the way, uh, this last match, when it comes to the Texas deat match rules, I don't recall them having a 10 count after a pen.

SPEAKER_02: 1:21:53

Yeah, I don't know all about that piece.

SPEAKER_00: 1:21:55

Yeah, I'm gonna have to let that. I don't I don't recall that.

SPEAKER_02: 1:21:57

AEW, not AEW, TNA. They they like to try and be real innovative with like some of their not the BBL. They they try to be innovative with some of their matches that they do, like, you know, doing some creative stipulations. However, I feel, yeah, this would have been a lot better if it was just a last man standing match. I feel part of rules. But that's the thing. A last man standing match, you fight till you can't get up to the count of ten. Alright? In this Texas fight match that they had here, it was you have to pin the person first, and then after you pin them for the one, two, three, they need to stay down for ten Mississipps. Okay?

SPEAKER_00: 1:22:51

So even in a video game niggas don't even do that, bro. The AI's gonna get up.

SPEAKER_02: 1:22:57

Uh uh three count in ten Mississippis. Because there's a difference. It's a one, two, three, one.

SPEAKER_00: 1:23:16

Dude! Yeah, do be like that though. Three. Because this is how Nick Nimoth was counting. Four. You're gonna do you're gonna do all ten.

SPEAKER_02: 1:23:30

Five! No, we're not gonna do all ten because we'd be here for fucking ever. Just like how this match was, because it did not need all of that. And what kills me inside, right? Because this would have been, I feel this would have translated so much better if it was just a last man standing match. Now, maybe WWE has a patent on the on the last man standing name, so they couldn't call it that. No, I I don't know what it is, but I don't know why they did not get that. No, they just did it because they were in Texas. But the extra three cow stipulation was goofy, in my opinion.

SPEAKER_00: 1:24:13

I feel like honestly, here's the thing about this match, too. We've already seen Kaz versus Santana. This would be three times. This was the third match. Neither one of the matches were good. Okay. Like, Kaz is great. Santana, okay, but like the chemistry of any of those matches, the first one, the second one, and definitely this third one, were not good.

SPEAKER_02: 1:24:37

I just hold on. Let me let me let me try that again. Because they only fought twice. No, they fought three times.

SPEAKER_00: 1:24:45

The first time was when Kaz actually won the title from him. The second time was when Well, the first time when he won he won it from I guess you can call that a match. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02: 1:24:58

Because he cashed in on him, but alright, sure. Sure. The third match. It does get registered as a match. Alright. Alright, whatever. Okay. So this match. Outside of the stipulation wise, the match, to me, I mean, so for me, the match was not bad, but it ended up getting cringy towards the end for me. And that's because, as you said, Mike Santana has Mike Santana and Kaz, for all I for as far as I'm concerned, they picked up some ugly habits from AEW. And they both did work though. And they, you know, finisher spam and not selling the finisher are two things that are poisoning wrestling as it is, in my opinion. I feel it is poisoning wrestling and it's making things and it's making the finishing move no longer matter, and that's not good. Nope. Like to get to spin the block, or what is the other one that uh that Ada has to fade the black some to make someone go fade the black and they stay in color is crazy to me.

SPEAKER_00: 1:26:17

No, honestly, to him somebody to spin the block because in hood terms, you only spin the block once. Okay? You you only do that one time to make sure the person is down. And then to spin the block three times, you getting arrested at that point. So I'm just going off hood culture. I'm just going off of hood.

SPEAKER_02: 1:26:38

Now, and it's one of those deals where there is a way to there's a way to do it, but the problem is they did not do it. Like, I'm not mad that Kazarian kicked out of the spin the block. Okay. Like, it's fair because well, he wa he was the champion, kind of thing. So there's some championship resilience that kind of goes into play. These are just standard wrestling, you know, uh uh unspoken rules, uh, you know, quirks that that happen in a match. But it's like to not sell it the way that they do. When you get hit with your signature, that is the most powerful thing you have in your arsenal. When you get hit with it as the person that is on the receiving end, you need to sell that finisher so it gives it validity and purpose and reason to exist as being a finish. When you get hit with the finishing move and you get up and you act as if nothing ever fucking happened. Now, maybe I can excuse the, you know, maybe you've like reached deep, deep down to absorb that blow of the finishing move, and you have that one last burst of energy, and the best person I can describe on that is like Shawn Michaels. Like, you know, he gets hit with something really bad, but then all of a sudden he has that one last bit of reserve where he can pow hit the sweet chin music. But he be falling like he did. But after he did it, that reserve is gone. You feel the pain of the move that was so devastating at the that last hit you, you're collapsing, you're dead, you're done, you're finished. You can't complete the cover, you have to that that's what that's why Sean.

SPEAKER_00: 1:28:35

Anytime he ever did his move, he look like, bro, that was the last bit of energy I ever had in my life. Okay. When you start doing the fall afterwards, he was just like fucking done.

SPEAKER_02: 1:28:46

Nah, we just pop up like nothing happened anymore.

SPEAKER_00: 1:28:51

Fuck that. I mean, just this is why we always say the attitude era was the best one. Because, man, what can you name a time Austin did three stunners in a match? Unless it was Mania.

unknown: 1:29:03

Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_00: 1:29:04

Because whenever he hit the bitch, it was done.

SPEAKER_02: 1:29:07

The only reasons why there would be three stunners is because maybe the first time when it happened, the ref was gone or something. There, there, or or cut so because there's always the allow that, especially when you are a main inventor versus a main inventor type situation. Using the Stone Cold logic, the first time, sure, he kicks out, the second time, he couldn't complete the pin, or he waited too long to get the pin, and so the guy was able to rest up long enough to find a way to just get the shoulder up, but the person is practically done. They're on they're knocking on death's door. The only reason why it would happen a third time, and then something, you know, something else doesn't and and there's like a uh uh like the match continues after that third time is because Stone Cold hit it, and for whatever reason the dude was able to roll out the ring, kind of thing, and and he couldn't get the pin. But usually after that happens, there's going to be some type of tomfoolery, and at that point, you know that Stone Cole ain't win the fucking match.

SPEAKER_00: 1:30:12

God damn it, man. Yes. Oh my god, the tomfoolery that would stop an Austin match.

SPEAKER_02: 1:30:20

And so in this particular case. Wait, hold on, we get wait, wait, then they still suddenly like it. Undertaker is a uh uh is actually kind of like one of those exceptions to that role because he's a player. Because he's a dead man. Yeah, he's a dead man. But but not everyone's a dead man. Kazerian is not a dead man. Nope. Mr. Splin the Mr. Spin the Block, he is not a dead man. He is still our champion at the end of the night.

SPEAKER_00: 1:30:48

Which was stupid, too. Because here's the thing you guys are showing me on paper. The guy who has technically the money in the bank briefcase, pretty much. To call your shot title or award. Trophy. Trophy, yes. And he's refereeing the match. This should be a slam dunk for him to cash in and get this belt because it's a death match. The person should have no energy after that match.

SPEAKER_02: 1:31:22

Santina was Santina. Santana was busted open, ladies and busted open.

SPEAKER_00: 1:31:27

Okay. Just just hit his finish on somebody. All his energy. He's been what? Wasn't he Pow Drive or was that uh uh Kaz? Wasn't he Pile drive on the chairs or that Kaz?

SPEAKER_02: 1:31:38

No, Kaz uh Santana jumped off of the top ladder, not the rope. He jumped off the ladder.

SPEAKER_00: 1:31:44

No, no, no, no, no. There was a spot where there was two chairs and somebody got Pile drive through two chairs.

SPEAKER_02: 1:31:49

Oh, I must have missed that spot.

SPEAKER_00: 1:31:50

Okay, I can't remember if it was Kaz or what just either way, still the devastation of the match is just examples, okay? And it's somehow at the end of the match after my boy raises his hand, okay? And it says, Oh, I'm gonna hit you with the danger zone.

SPEAKER_02: 1:32:09

AKA the zigzag. AKA Nick Nimith's finishing maneuver. His end-the-match move. His most devastating move he has in his arsenal. The move that he's used to actually win the title. He hits a man who has been fighting for at least 10 minutes. 10, 20 minutes, however long that match went. Went backstage. They went through, they bloodied each other in that match. He he went through hell and back. A Texas death match. Okay? He should be tired. There should be nothing left in him. He gets hit with a man, a freshman, a person who has not taken any damage through this whole match. Gets hit with a freshman's finishing move, and he pops up like nothing happens.

SPEAKER_00: 1:33:11

And here's the perfect thing. When he hits the spin the block to Nick, he sold it. As if he was out cold. But he just hit him with his move. Okay. Anyway, so uh that was what I said. Man, you know, I'm going to bed. I'm going to bed. I'm going to bed disappointed because that was your first pay-per-view of the year. And there was no there was nothing to create genesis. There was no rebirth of nothing. It was just a show. It was a show that really could have been on AME. AMNC, excuse me. Uh, but definitely went on pay-per-view. Do y'all not know that pay-per-views are supposed to be like in-feud matches? Like, do y'all not know that? Because, like, that righteous and hardy match didn't end the feud. Uh, and uh, whatever this, excuse me, by the way, we call him Nick Mike, Mike Nimeth.

SPEAKER_02: 1:34:10

Uh, and I said, I said the Nimeth brother.

SPEAKER_00: 1:34:13

Oh, okay. Um, him versus Homegirl, what the fuck was that for? Uh, Cedric Alexander got cooked, and you know, your knockouts women's champion didn't elevate her story at all. So, like, the only story was a match you put in the beginning of the show, damn near, and you didn't highlight it at all.

SPEAKER_02: 1:34:37

Also, just talking about that women's match, right? Because the other thing that did also bother me is the fact that, like, unless there's something really deep going on with this whole Visa crisis, because Dana Luna should still be the number one contender for that title. But at the end, we get the I for I don't remember what her new name is. Her WWE name was Cora J. Yeah, it's um but uh whatever she goes by now in TNA, she comes out there talking about some and in my mind I'm like but but but Dana Luna. What's uh what's uh that visa what's uh that visa what is she like stuck over there forever now? Like what are we what are we getting at here? I don't understand uh we really we really kind of cooking off some AEW tendencies here because um that visa we out here just we're just gonna forget the fact that we had that storyline happening, brewing in the back. Alright, whatever. Whatever. Needless to say, this ain't been it for TNA right now. It ain't been it. It's been rough. Batista bomb. It has been rough, and unfortunately, everybody else is benefiting off of TNA's loss, i.e. WWE and AEW. Because where AEW is just scooping up people left and right because what like I said, the rascals are there. Freaking collision, the rascals are backstage hotboxing in the fuck. Yeah, bro. What is it? Smoking we bro, there so the way they were shown, you know, like Western A went back there and it's like, well, I'm I'm here to talk to the newest AEW signees. And it's like they open the door, and you just see all this smoke come come come hazing out, and they fucking do their little fucking three stooges look out the thing, you know, bloop, bloop, bloop. And then they all come out and they're talking, and she and she's like, she's trying to talk to them, and she's like like stumbling on her words because I'm guessing the smoke is is potent, and they're all like, yeah, you know, we're we're here to take over, blah blah blah. And they're like, hey, you want to come in? You know, get some of this that's going on here? She's like, uh no, I'm I'm fine. It's like, alright, suit yourself. And they, yeah, so the Rascals, ladies and gentlemen. What the fuck?

SPEAKER_00: 1:37:18

Okay, I'm glad I don't watch Collision. Anyway, the Rascals, ladies and gentlemen. Uh alright, so let's talk about. Is there anything that you did enjoy about this week before I even go to stardom? Enjoy? Because we got Ross, Matt now.

SPEAKER_02: 1:37:33

Um, off the top of my head. I mean, I was uh nothing of like super importance, like nothing that I can think of off the top of my head. I have to look at my little notes that I made about this week, more so. Uh Raw was a show. I will say, as far as this week goes, just to just to keep it easy, uh can't really say anything about W uh about AEW, because like everything is just I'm not even gonna get into that. But I will say, uh Bron Breaker losing his shit on on Raw, his crash out, oh yeah. That spear, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. They got Braun Breaker looking strong right there. Like that whole that whole segment with Braun Breaker on Raw, solid.

SPEAKER_00: 1:38:31

Yeah. That's the monster right there. That's that's the first spear alone. Bro, I'm watching it with Corey. Bro, when when Dragon Lee got hit.

SPEAKER_02: 1:38:44

Yeah, bro. Bro, they Bron Breaker, like uh I legit thought he was dead, bro. It's it's crazy when I think back to way, way back when we had that, uh, when we first started doing the podcast and we had that conversation about spears. Boy, did Braun Breaker make me eat my words. He That was a football tackle, to be honest. If you look at it from an angle, but see, that's the thing. And that and that was the point that I was trying to get across way back when we had that conversation about spears. It's the fact that at the time, Brombreaker's spear was nothing special. So he, okay, sure, he does the whole two 20 miles an hour thing. Cool. But like, visually speaking, his spear is no better than anybody else's spear. He found his spear. He found his spear, where if I'm looking at the if I'm looking in a wrestling game and they have the Goldberg Spear, they have the Roman Reign Spear. The Roman Reign Spear, they have Edges Spear, and then after that, they have Spear 1 through 10. Braun Breaker Spear used to be number five, but now Braun Breaker's spear is Braun Breaker Spear. And it's the same animation, just name now. It's better. As a matter of fact, spear number five is still there. That's uh you know how back before in the rest of the game you it'll be like their finisher and then their finisher number two. Yeah, that was finisher number two now. So there's Brahm Breaker Spear, and then there's Brahm Breaker Spear number two. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Or just spear number five. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And it's the running one. Yeah. He's figured it out now. Whenever he gets that, whenever he gets that run, his spear, to set it aside from everyone else, is when he jumps and he glides in midair for like 0.5 seconds before he makes connection. And then he connects, and then you die. And then you die.

SPEAKER_00: 1:40:53

Literally, it's the point of like almost like finish him. And you literally, when he hits the roast, no, no, no, the music player, Braun Breaker.

SPEAKER_02: 1:41:05

Indeed. Yeah, yeah. His his spear is uh his spear is tough. And then I will also say, AJ Styles versus Gunther. That match, and the finish for that match, solid. If there was anything out of the now, grant, I did not watch SmackDown, so I can't speak for SmackDown. But if there was anything good to talk about this week, raw, compared to the last couple of weeks, they got their shit together this week and they gave me something to chew on. To get through fucking Darby Allen beating Packin and no one cares.

SPEAKER_00: 1:41:48

So SmackDown, to me, the only highlight was the Leon Slater and Carmoa match. If you didn't watch any of SmackDown, you gotta watch that. That's that's the only thing. Besides, you know, Trick Williams versus Matt Cardone and the Kid Wilson spot. Um that, I don't know how he's he's getting over from that song, just the song, but like his whole gimmick of toxic masculinity. You know, some of the people are getting behind that for reasons.

SPEAKER_02: 1:42:16

He listen, Kit Williams is out here doing everything he can. Kit Wilson. Kit Wilson. He's doing everything he can to hold it down for his homie who is getting neck surgery as we speak.

SPEAKER_00: 1:42:29

Yes. Because he actually, I think he actually got surgery.

SPEAKER_02: 1:42:31

Yeah, no, no. The surgery's done.

SPEAKER_00: 1:42:33

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02: 1:42:33

And so he's now having, now he's got that recovery process. Like he literally got it done, I think, within like the last two and a half weeks or so.

SPEAKER_01: 1:42:41

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02: 1:42:42

So he's been and he's been gone for a longer time before that all happened. But as well as things like, homie's gotta hold it down for his tag team partner and for himself, because with how long he's gonna be out with his neck surgery, he's gotta do, he's gotta make something. He's gonna turn on him when he comes back. He's got that. He's gotta, he's gotta, I hope not. That's that's that'd be horrible. Because like they're it's a great tag team. It is. If anything, he just needs to, when he comes back, he needs to jump on the train with what they got going on and just be a team with it now.

SPEAKER_00: 1:43:16

People are already memeing and putting the belt on kit.

SPEAKER_02: 1:43:19

Yes. I was literally at a wrestling show last night showing that photo.

SPEAKER_00: 1:43:26

And they were putting like all the belts on kit. Yes. I'm like, I I literally had I didn't I should have shared it on the page. I think I know which one you're talking about. It's like it shows him with the main title and like three titles, and then like No, no, no.

SPEAKER_02: 1:43:39

It's it's the it's the uh the Triple H photo where he's sitting like this, but like they just draped all the belts on him. I'm dead.

SPEAKER_00: 1:43:48

It's that oh boy, that's crazy. That's a legendary meme, though.

SPEAKER_02: 1:43:53

It's that one. Um but yeah, that that that's really it. Because when I look at the notes that I have for AEW, it's just everything is questionable.

SPEAKER_00: 1:44:00

Like I saw the Tony and Mina spot.

SPEAKER_02: 1:44:05

Once again, everything is questionable. Even going into collision, because once again, and like I said, I'm I'm gonna just I'm gonna say this and I'm gonna leave it alone because when I get on these tangents about AEW, it's just like fuck because Death Riders. John Moxley is this good guy now. But now I feel they're I feel they're trying to force the Death Riders to become good guys as a whole, and the way and how they're going to do it, watch this, watch this. How we make the Death Riders become good guys, have them feud against the Don Callis family. So tell us about stardom.

SPEAKER_00: 1:44:55

So, with this, uh again, as you like I said before, their situations are very much house showy. Now, this show had no commentary, and they had one, two, three, four, five, six, seven matches. Seven matches. And it's a time span. Each match was like maybe 10 minutes.

SPEAKER_02: 1:45:17

Now, just to confirm for those who may not know, Stardom is a Joshi Wrestling women's only promotion.

SPEAKER_00: 1:45:25

Gotcha. And what the event we were watching, or I was watching, was called Stardom 15th and 15th anniversary. It's their 15th anniversary show. Oh, look at that. And uh a lot of them were tag matches. There were no real singles bounce, but I feel what the purpose was, they wanted to show you the roster. They wanted to show you the roster, they wanted to show you these tag teams from each roster. Because if you go to their website, which I have right here, and for some reason New Japan does, not New Japan, Japanese wrestling does their results better than America, apparently. Because like they'll like, hey, we have it on our website. Here are the results of the matches, who lost and how they lost. It's just there. Because you even when we was watching New Japan, Wrestle Kingdom, when I showed you, showed everything. Yeah. How they lost, even photos, it's just all there.

SPEAKER_02: 1:46:13

Yeah, they show how they lost, uh, a little summary about the match. Yeah. The what was the time for the match, and stuff like that.

SPEAKER_00: 1:46:23

And so, yeah, that is a thing. All of it is just available. So for people like us, when you're just like, oh yeah, I need to pull up the results, it's just here. 20-minute match. So the first match highlights what they call their high-speed division. You have Starlight Kid, A Z M. We have May. I don't, I'm not, I think it's Horsh. Horseshoe. No. Hoshira May. Hoshira May.

SPEAKER_01: 1:46:48

Okay.

SPEAKER_00: 1:46:49

And then you have the opposite opponents, which are Mika or Micah. You have Rice, and then you have, okay, that's what it is. It's uh Micah, excuse me, Micah Rice, and then Mika Aiko. Aito. And this motherfucker, which is Mika, uh, she is a she is a spicy character. But when you look at her as a character, she looks like she's so kawaii. She's so innocent. Uh, she was the goblin in this match. Uh, she was causing the most chaos.

SPEAKER_02: 1:47:22

The goblin.

SPEAKER_00: 1:47:23

Flipping the bird and everything. She comes out to the ring singing, similar to Tai Chi, but she's very anime. WWE, uh, y'all gotta step y'all women's division up. Matter of fact, even the men's. Because just watching the match and the the caliber of how these women are just going. These women did not turn off the gas at all. And I'm gonna have to say, Starlight Kid has one of the most interesting submissions I've seen. Um, I can't remember how what's the actual name of the submission.

SPEAKER_02: 1:48:03

But what's the positioning?

SPEAKER_00: 1:48:05

Uh she takes, was it Brock Lesnar who did this? He did the leg over Maria does it too. And then she triangle holds with her legs. So she takes her legs and it takes your arm from this position. Now she has you here, and then she takes her arms, and then she just pulls you like this. So now she's pulling your leg and your arm, and then she also has her legs around your neck.

SPEAKER_02: 1:48:33

So she's just God, it's like a crazy ass stretch.

SPEAKER_00: 1:48:38

And technically she can pin with it, or she can make you tap with it because you're both of your arms on the mat, I think. So interesting finish. But those girls are going 10 miles an hour. Uh 10 miles an hour. 10 million miles an hour. They're just going. Um we also have the next match, which is a taxi match. We asked somebody from CMML, CMML, and that's Olympia, who uh I've noticed that they do have some loot some people with masks on here, and I was thinking originally it was luchadors, but not fully luchadors.

SPEAKER_02: 1:49:10

But she's bringing up Olympia. They showed her, she had a match on AEW. Yeah, she did. Once. I think something about something about I was looking up, they mentioned that. I remember she had a match on AEW, and I swear they they was like, they she they showed her on there and they was kind of I swear they was like gearing her towards like facing somebody like Mercedes. I could be wrong, but I remember like they had like a whole thing for her type deal. Okay. But you know how AEW does things.

SPEAKER_00: 1:49:46

But this is where I when I was getting into this match, this is where I was talking about, oh, the belts be out here, the belts be here. So um in this match is uh Hazuki, and you also have I want to say it's Kaiyana, and they're going against Olympia, and they're going against uh Fershawa Kai. I'm I'm probably butching the hell out of these names, and I do apologize because I'm not getting familiar with them yet. But uh good tag team match, 10 minutes, you know, very much showcasing the power of Olympia against two tinier individuals who have the speed and everything else to it. But I would definitely recommend watching this match. Don't want to give you the finish too much, but uh, because I want you to watch it for yourself. But here's what I want you to do when you watch it, I don't want you to look up this car like I did. I want you to just kind of just go into it because that's what I just did. Not knowing who these women are, not knowing anything, I I wanted to be treated as if I'm a person who came to a wrestling event and I'm asking, like, you know, I'm not getting a chance to do it. I'm just like, who is this? Okay, who who what are you selling me? And it made the wrestling where I could not take my eye off it. I don't know what was going on or what about these matches got me to this point, but I just could not take my eyes off it. I was trying to do something else while watching, because you know how you you're trying to get your notes and you're doing all those things. I was just like, I can't even do the notes, I just want to keep watching it. Because it was just appealing, it was appealing how the wrestling flow was. There wasn't really moments where you just felt like, okay, this is filler, everything felt like it had a purpose. That makes sense.

SPEAKER_02: 1:51:40

I mean, yeah, essentially, I I I get where you're coming from. Yeah, but I also feel a lot of that stems from the fact that um because the kind with the type of promotion that stardom is to a certain degree, at least through my lenses, yeah. I feel like which all it could as far for all intents and purposes, stardom is a is still a uh a true blue indie promotion to a certain degree. Like they're not they're not on a big corporate level like the uh the big four. And so when it comes to indie promotions, wrestling-wise, to me, the wrestling is always going to usually, I would say nine times out of ten, when it comes to an indie promotion, and especially when it's an indie promotion on this particular caliber, where they definitely have the better of the best type people, yeah, not like the low-end indies type situation who are still trying to find their way upwards, but it's like when you have that, they are indie promotion equals they're fighting to get recognized. Okay. And when you're fighting to get recognized, you hit harder and you perform better. Which is why when you say the fact that, you know, you know, WWE, women's division, and guys' division, y'all gotta step your game up. The difference between a stardom and I would almost even possibly say not so much in New Japan, but still in that same realm. Stardom, you are still in a process of making it. When you get to a promotion like a New Japan, you have made it. And that's the reason.

SPEAKER_00: 1:53:48

That's the thing, though. Stardom is the equivalent of a New Japan in Japan. Because again, I've as I told you earlier, there's JTO Just Tap Out, which is a Joshi Wrestling promotion, but they're not as majorly acclaimed as a stardom. Like I I'm not able to get content of them because I don't know how to get it. There's you know, Noah is apparently now on that one particular website, but I try to watch that. They do have a young lion system, I believe. And I noticed that the first couple of matches was just like, okay, two young lions versus two main talent. My brain immediately says, Well, I can't really grasp this too hard because normally it'd be main event talent and young lion. Main event talent, young lion. This is main event talent, young lions. Who the fuck you think is gonna win?

SPEAKER_02: 1:54:48

So then I'll I'll I'll keep it compared to like because unfortunately, with the way that some things kind of work and whatnot, especially with what you're saying, like New Japan, because like I would say a lot of the Japanese wrestling spots, even though New Japan is a is definitely a bit more of a higher caliber, or at least in my eyes, it's like they are still very indie. Yeah. So it's like there is and and and because of the fact that when you look at those the the the big four, New Japan, for all intents and purposes, is definitely in that fourth well, I mean, fighting for fourth place with TNA at this point.

SPEAKER_00: 1:55:36

But well, another another thing is since you saying because you're saying it's indie, another part of it now brings to the fact that yes, we did mention this before, you really have to sell with your wrestling because your wrestling tells your stories, not the backstage angles, not the disses and that. It's really your everything is you tell your story in the ring through your matches. So I think that again, you know, with what we're getting a story currently as a wrestling fan in the States, it's very difficult to sometimes grasp to certain things because you give me so much bullshit of like, well, why should I care about that if last week this happened here? You know, just like going off of the Hardy Boys in the Righteous situation. To me, that was deflated because okay, they have now crossed the line, no pun intended. And then you have this moment where they were like, yo, this is what we wanted. We wanted the pain.

SPEAKER_02: 1:56:37

And they were like, now, see, another bit that I can also uh kind of like you know put into play with this is especially when it comes to Japanese wrestling versus wrestling wrestling. Number one, yes, if if stardom is seen as being equal with New Japan, New Japan falls in the fourth place category, relatively speaking, okay? Therefore, people on stardom, they are indeed still fighting to get to a higher spot.

SPEAKER_00: 1:57:12

They want to get noticed by one of the top three brands, okay? Oh, so like almost like how NXT is to us in America at one point.

SPEAKER_02: 1:57:22

Kind of sort to a certain degree. It's one of those things where it's like people who are in stardom, they have something to fight for. Because the people who are in stardom, for all intents and purposes, they probably don't necessarily see like I'm going to make my career here in stardom and I'm going to retire here in stardom. I want to go to America or something. I want to go somewhere else and do what I'm doing and make a lot more money than I'm doing here in stardom because stardom only pays so much. Now, sometimes that would mean, maybe for them, going to New Japan. I don't know how much they pay.

SPEAKER_00: 1:58:00

Oh, okay. Oh, I didn't realize that they were all guys. You'll never see no women on there. They do have a women's championship, but like it's normally all guys.

SPEAKER_01: 1:58:09

Well, I didn't know that.

SPEAKER_00: 1:58:10

Yeah, because that's why Joshi wrestling is its own category. Uh-huh. And then there's so there, so with Japan, they have they have shoot style, uh-huh, which is what like a lot of uh back in the day, I can't remember what the promotion was, but shoot style. Then you have New Japan with the um strong style, and then you have Joshi. Joshi is all women. So they have promotions that are just all women because they they just separate their promotions. Yeah, they just keep it all men, keep it all women.

SPEAKER_02: 1:58:40

So if that is the case, that that doesn't change what I'm saying, though. But with that being noted, then it's like, you know, so if that be the case, if stardom is the tippy top of women's wrestling in Japan, just just just to say it, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah. If that if that is the tippy top in women's wrestling in Japan, but then these same women are looking at the road that Eoskai, Asuka, Kyrie Sain took, and they're seeing all that money that they're making over there in America, they are fighting their asses off because they want to sit at that table in WWE or in AEW kind of thing.

SPEAKER_00: 1:59:25

My worry in situations like that too, because it's like they do enjoy foreign talents, but I don't see a lot of that happening over in WWE as much. Like, maybe I could see more of like Joshua Russell's in AEW, but like they kind of already got an EO. And the way WWE is, they're like, we already got one. Do we need two?

SPEAKER_02: 1:59:51

But even then, that that is that is a goal. That is a goal, yeah. But it's like like because like that whole bit, that that's A back burner issue, and that's not what they're looking at. But they're looking at the fact that I need to perform my ass off so that in that in what in that particular case, when they get tired of EOSky and they don't feel like EOSky's cutting it no more, maybe they can bring in a new one. If she goes over there, man, that's the thing about that. And so it's like they are, because they are, as everyone who is in an indie promotion, they are fighting to get to that top three company stage. They are wanting to get on that stage. And if they have to get to that stage by first breaking in the TNA, then so be it. Because once you can get into TNA, you're on TV and your star value is going up higher. And then the next step after that, currently after this week, clearly is AEW. Once you get to AEW, man, your star is going to get even more higher. And of course, that final boss of a company, WWE, that's where you make all of your big money. And then once you get to WWE, your star is shining. And at that point, you can do whatever the fuck you want to do. Because once you leave WWE, you can go anywhere in the universe and make as much money as you damn well please. But until you can get into one of those three upper echelons, you're you you just gotta wait and and and and you gotta fight your ass off, like how they're doing in stardom. Because as far like let me put it this way, we only find out about stardom because of Saya.

SPEAKER_00: 2:01:52

Because of the people who left stardom and showed up on other in one of the big four companies. Here's the thing, though. Am I lying? You're right, but here's the thing. We never really like, did you know? Because I when I first met Eo, I first met her in Lucha underground. I didn't know she was part of stardom then. Didn't know anything related to stardom. I just thought Lucha brought this Asian woman over here. No fun, no offense. But like, whenever that happened, I didn't think about where she came from before or whatever. And then when she goes to WWE, I didn't know think about like where did she come from? Where like WWE doesn't not have the means to let you know where a person comes from to look back at who they are. You kind of just had to know just from watching them. And you know, uh uh uh AEW with their relations with people and somewhat TNA, they'll let you know where they came from so that way you can understand who they were previously. Because I didn't know EO Sky was EO Shirai in Stardom. I didn't know that.

SPEAKER_02: 2:02:52

Well, I knew that only because she was EO Shirai when she came to NXT. Uh and when she went to NXT, they did bring up the stardom stuff.

SPEAKER_00: 2:03:03

I didn't know that.

SPEAKER_02: 2:03:04

And so it's like, but but I mean, granted, WWE does famously not talk about a wrestler's past. Yeah. Because they're like, we make it because for all intents and purposes, yes, Eo Shirai had a past. EO Sky has only a current in WWE. And that's usually why how and why that goes. So it's like Matt Cardona, he had a past before he came to WWE the first time, but when he came to WWE, his past did not matter, and he was Zack Ryder. And so him coming back as Matt Cardona means that WWE is deciding to allow his past to be canon because he is no longer Zack Ryder anymore. That would be like if Dolph Ziggler comes back to WWE and he comes back as Nick Nimeth, that means they are allowing his past to be something important or to be noted when he's in WWE type thing. Because otherwise, he just come back to WWE, and when we look at his championship records as Dolph Ziggler, he's been the world heavyweight champion, intercontinental champion, all that good stuff. Yes, he's held the world heavyweight title. Don't look at me like that stupid.

SPEAKER_00: 2:04:31

I don't remember that.

SPEAKER_02: 2:04:32

Wow, fuck you, bro.

SPEAKER_00: 2:04:34

I don't remember him holding the world heavyweight title, my nigga.

SPEAKER_02: 2:04:36

Yes, he had it. That might have been around the time I couldn't watch wrestling. He had it when he was rocking around with AJ Lee in uh Big E. That's when he had the belt. He cashed in for it. You mean Dolph Ziggler, not Zach Ryder. Oh, did I say that wrong?

SPEAKER_00: 2:04:52

Yes, you did.

SPEAKER_02: 2:04:54

Oh, my fault. I mean, I mean, I was dead. That's like, when is Zack Ryder win the heavyweight title? I'm sorry. I no no no no no. That that that was Ziggler. I was talking about Ziggler. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I think it's because you got Ziggler and Zach. Yeah, that's that's that's really what I was saying. I was like, Ziggler and Zack kind of messed me up. I mean, granted, Zach Rider didn't have the United States championship.

SPEAKER_00: 2:05:14

Yeah, he did, he did, he did. That's why I was like, I was confused.

SPEAKER_02: 2:05:17

But yeah, no, no, no, no. But but but in that particular case, like they would, you know, they would acknowledge those bits, kind of as opposed to if he comes back as Nick Nimoth, they will probably still acknowledge his Dolph Ziggler stuff, but then they're also gonna talk about his TNA right. Okay. Kind of thing.

SPEAKER_00: 2:05:34

Sorry, I our my brain that time heard something different. So go ahead. But anyway. Uh so I mean, at the end of the day, then if that's the case, then yes, if you are going to watch this, you're gonna watch really good wrestling, because obviously they're trying to get to that next level. And I'm not gonna take it away from you telling you to watch stardom. I'm not gonna take it away from it. If okay, how about this? If you're gonna watch WWE, this is where you're gonna watch the megastars. The people who should be megastars, should be right. Should be. Should be uh AW is where you should be watching apparently the best wrestle, but with no mega stars.

SPEAKER_02: 2:06:11

Which is 100% true.

SPEAKER_00: 2:06:13

Except MJF. But uh and then you look at TNA, who's technically supposed to be the second best promotion now or in the future, and they have nothing, not good wrestling or megastars, except like two matches out of that pay-per-view was good matches.

SPEAKER_02: 2:06:28

I think the one thing that TNA should have is X Division is as they call themselves, impact wrestling. The one thing that I think that they do kind of I mean it it it it I believe deep down my heart of hearts, TNA still has the ability to have that impactful wrestling, you know what I'm saying?

SPEAKER_00: 2:06:58

I think that's the I think that's the 2010 you were trying to hold on to TNA. No, no, no, no.

SPEAKER_02: 2:07:04

Because it's still there. It's just it's just the fact that right now, I guess, is camera shy. Because before they got the TV deal and whatnot, because before they got the TV deal, like it was there. Like when they when they went from impact wrestling back to TNA, like they was still they was feeling like TNA again at that time. And then they got into this partnership, and like the that that that the impact that the the impact of the that impact wrestling, because that's the best way I can describe it, which is what TNA has kind of sort of always been always embodied. It's still there. It's just like I said, right now it's camera shy, and they right now they're gonna show that already. Yeah, that that's they are um they are hurting. I think it can still be there, but the problem is I don't know if it is enough to overcome the the place where the best wrestle right now. And especially after the rat the rascals showed up there with their you know smoked-out room is all like we heard that this was the place where the best wrestle. So why not we come here and wrestle?

SPEAKER_00: 2:08:19

Like, alright, well, we'll see what TNA does this week. I guess uh, like I said before, with you when you look at those situations and those bias to WWE, AEW, TNA, New Japan, stardom, what the kind of wrestling you want, you go to set promotion. I think it's because we are Americans and we were fed WWE, ECW, WCW back in the day. We were fed a specific type of wrestling, and we go to it looking for what we've been fed throughout the years. So we only knew one style of wrestling until now we have been able to branch out to different types where you have your TNAs, you have your AEWs, you have your strong styles, you have your all-women promotions, because there is WoW. We haven't talked about wow. We haven't, I really haven't had a chance to watch wow because we don't know where the fuck watch it. But like there's so many different varieties of wrestling. And as a wrestling podcast, I think the biggest thing we gotta pinpoint on is that we we're gonna talk about all varieties. We can we can give suggestions, we can give our opinions, but depending on what your style of wrestling is and what you enjoy, just know we're watching all of it. And when you're here, you're gonna get what we enjoy most about each style of wrestling. We're gonna complain about the things that, you know, hey, as wrestling fans, what we have is knowledge as wrestling fans, what you feed to us and why we should care, why this doesn't make sense to us as wrestling fans, and probably what you can do to fix on it. But I think to say the least is whether if you watch WWE, AEW TNA, New Japan, or stardom, wherever you're watching your wrestling, we just want to watch good fucking wrestling and good story. Okay, that's what we want.

SPEAKER_02: 2:10:17

That is the uh that is the end all be all of it all. And it's like uh a lot of wrestling ain't been good.

SPEAKER_00: 2:10:30

It's like like I said before, depending on the promotion, it's like it's almost like going in a menu screen and picking which one you want, because each one is gonna do something different. And then you look at the WWE logo and it's like ah 30% wrestling, 70% megastar power type shit. And then you go to AEW, and it's like, yeah, that wrestling's at a 80, but that story is at a 20, bro.

SPEAKER_02: 2:10:59

Like, uh I I feel as if, and and because of the way that Japanese wrestling works, it's like I've been in this process of trying to watch so as a uh example, right? Like WWE, we know what good WWE product looks like. Yes, sir. We have seen WWE be good, we've seen it be exciting, we've seen it be enjoyable. Hell, that's why we're here. And so, because we know what good WWE programming looks like, when we watch on SmackDown and Raw and NXT and everything in between when it comes to WWE, when we watch it and we're all like, yeah, it didn't live up to what they're uh what I know they can do, that's when it beg that's when it sucks. With AEW, sure, they're a young company, they're the youngest in this bunch of wrestling uh companies that we have. However, we have seen good AEW wrestling, we've seen good AEW product, we know what good AEW looks like. We have not been getting good AEW for a very long time right now, and that's why we call out their bullshit of how bad it has been. Because for it to be bad, it had to have been good at some point before. It had to have been good, and it was. A lot of people pinpointed that around that time when uh CM Punk was there, but we can debate on that if we really wanted to, even though that's true. I mean shit. We've seen good TNA wrestling, we know what TNA at least had the potential to be, because there was a time where TNA people was preferring to watch TNA over WWE. And now they're getting cooked, and I feel as if that's not completely their fault, and I need them to do better. Yes, but once again, we know what good TNA looks like, and right now we are not getting good TNA. We even know what decent TNA looks like, which is what we have been getting, and we are not getting decent right now, and so when you look at going over into the new Japan area and you know the Japanese wrestling, because I'm still new to it, I'm figuring out what is good Japanese wrestling, kind of thing. Because it's a different grading card over there, because I can't watch Japanese wrestling be like, alright, where let me see how this story's going to go, let me see what this backstage segment is, let me see if that falls flat or da-da-da. No, it doesn't work that way over there, kind of thing. Now, if I were to like, if it comes down to the fact that, okay, we look at stardom, and it's like, man, they got some banging wrestling. And if it's one of those things where it's like, alright, so I have to just truly base them on the wrestling, kind of thing, once I get what it is that I understand what is good stardom, good new Japan.

SPEAKER_00: 2:14:32

Okay, I see what you're saying. Okay.

SPEAKER_02: 2:14:34

Like, once I understand what is good New Japan wrestling versus shitty New Japan wrestling, then I'll be able to judge it and be like, alright, this shit happened in New Japan is not it. But of course, I'm a young line in the in the in the Japanese wrestling area, and so uh I can't cast my judgments. Give me somewhat, I can't give me six months.

SPEAKER_00: 2:14:59

I can somewhat cast my judgment of over.

SPEAKER_02: 2:15:01

Give me six months, and then I can say whether or not if New Japan does stack up to the rest of these companies, or is New Japan Let's let's assess it by the end of the year. Like a over-glorified indie wrestling promotion. Because I don't want it to be that. But a lot of people want to say that it is. And uh, but that's that that's where I'm at with it at the end of the day here.

SPEAKER_00: 2:15:31

I think I think that's a great way to end off the episode to say, man, like we had a dump on we had something dump on us yesterday with Genesis. And uh Lord knows Raw and SmackDown, we're okay. AEW questionable.

SPEAKER_02: 2:15:48

There's nothing questionable on AEW. AEW is bad.

SPEAKER_00: 2:15:51

Okay, so so is TNA and AEW both in this shit sandwich?

SPEAKER_02: 2:15:56

Yes. Okay. But AEW is a high-class restaurant shit sandwich right now.

SPEAKER_00: 2:16:02

So then okay, so then TNA is great value.

SPEAKER_02: 2:16:06

No, they're just they're low value.

SPEAKER_00: 2:16:08

Oh, okay, okay, okay.

SPEAKER_02: 2:16:10

With what's been going. Because once again, just to put it plainly here, AEW is only where it's at because they got money. If you take the money away from AEW after what TNA has currently displayed, just based off of this week, alright? Not talk about what's happened in the past for TNA, not even talk about the buildup for TNA. Because the buildup that TNA has had up until this point when they got the deal, one could say that, uh, Snap, they're about to beat AEW. But AEW heard that shit. It's like, uh nah. Hey, what the bank account look like right now? We got how many M's in the bank account? We how many B's? Alright, cool, cool. And we're having a good sea, and we're having a good uh a season with the Jaguars? They're raking in that much too? Alright, cool, cool. Alright. We're gonna buy their roster. Give me all of their good people. Send the contracts. Because I heard they're up. They can't match our shit. And so they're bought, so they've been bought. And so TNA out here just like, can you please stay? Please? And they're not staying because TNA matching the money, therefore, TNA is getting rammed right now. So it's hopefully this new week can give me some kind of hope for TNA because this week has made me be like, damn, I invested this much time into y'all for this. For this. Just I'll just watch AEW if that's the case.

SPEAKER_00: 2:18:00

I mean, that ass dope. But uh, I think I don't got anything else to say besides, man, T and A do better. AEW, you can be better. WWE. You're you're you're trying. You're trying. But put a little bit more effort in it. Just a little bit. You're like almost, yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02: 2:18:25

But WWE is almost a decent show again.

SPEAKER_00: 2:18:30

Yes, almost a decent show again. And uh I'm just gonna keep watching New Japan and Joshi just because it's fresh. It's new vegetables. You know, it's just case it just came out. And uh again, as always, guys, if you like content, please be sure to uh choke slam that like button, tombstone the subscribe button, because we're here every week with new content. As we are the big brothers of destruction podcast, you always must know the questions are no, excuse me, the the ring is sacred, the questions are real. The destruction is always guaranteed.

SPEAKER_02: 2:19:02

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SPEAKER_00: 2:19:13

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