WWE Doesn't care about this Rumble

The road to the Rumble should roar. Instead, it’s whispering and we’re not letting it slide. We break down why the build feels flat, where the real heat lives, and how a chaotic Saturday Main Event might be the spark WWE needed. From Stardom’s subtitles and Saya’s return to TNA’s crisp pivot with Feast or Fired, this week revealed a lot about momentum, timing, and what fans actually care about.

We start with Raw’s contradictions: slicker production, a true TV classic in Gunther vs AJ, and a bafflingly thin hype window for the Rumble. Natty’s heel turn should have landed; it didn’t, because the mentor story lacked presence. Then we get honest about gimmicks and logic why Finn’s Demon sings in Japan but stumbles on Western TV without clear consequences. If you go supernatural, you have to commit to rules fans can feel week to week.

The bright spots are undeniable. Braun Breaker looks like a missile; you can’t tease that power and stall. Trick Williams glows when the music hits camera, pause, crowd, aura he’s already standing with the top tier. We game out real Rumble-to-Mania lanes: Braun’s rocket vs Punk’s moment, Seth as the chaos agent, and a quietly perfect endgame Cody vs Randy if they’re brave enough to pull the trigger and make it mean something. Over in TNA, Moose’s break and Trey’s briefcase give us the kind of hook that makes you show up next week. That’s how you earn attention.

If you love sharp analysis and bold predictions without the fluff, this one’s loaded: SmackDown highs and fails, Saturday Main Event brawl psychology, Japan vs U.S. storytelling, and the two or three matchups that could actually define WrestleMania. Hit play, then tell us your main event: Braun vs Punk, Cody vs Randy, Drew’s chaos run, or Jacob crashing the party?

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Chapters

• 0:00 Setting The Stage And Platforms
• 1:15 Stardom Access And Subtitles Workaround
• 3:20 Saya’s Return And Stardom Scheduling
• 4:45 Royal Rumble Apathy And Saudi Speculation
• 8:20 Attitude Era Nostalgia And 2K Cover Talk
• 12:40 Raw’s Weak Build And Production Notes
• 15:30 Natty’s Heel Turn And Story Gaps
• 22:50 Injuries, House Shows, And Ring Chemistry
• 26:40 Gunther vs AJ Praise And Career Killer Angle
• 29:50 Finn Balor, The Demon, And Gimmick Logic
• 38:00 Japan Vs Western Storytelling Philosophies
• 44:10 Braun Breaker Push And Mystery Call
• 50:25 Trick Williams’ Aura And Star Power
• 57:40 SmackDown Highs And Damian Priest Debate
• 1:04:20 TNA Steps Up: Feast Or Fired And Moose Turn
• 1:11:10 Saturday Main Event Chaos: Cody And Jacob
• 1:18:40 Rumble-To-Mania Paths And Booking Puzzles
• 1:27:20 Braun, Punk, Seth: Title Lanes
• 1:33:40 Cody vs Orton At Mania? The Case
• 1:40:25 AJ vs Nakamura Delivers And Final Takeaways
• 1:58:00 Audience Prompts And Sign-Off

Transcript

SPEAKER_02: 0:09

Welcome to another episode of the Big Brothers of Destruction podcast. It's your host who likes to post the Mazakou.

SPEAKER_01: 0:16

And it's your boy, Swag Switcher in the Building. And as well on TikTok.

SPEAKER_02: 0:21

On TikTok, live. As always, guys, whether you are watching us on YouTube or if you're watching Spotify, listening to us on Spotify, Apple Music, we're on all streaming platforms. So thank you again for tuning into the podcast today. And boy, uh very interesting week of wrestling, which we are getting ready to go into. So, Swag, man, you watch Raw, you watch AEW Dynamite, and you watch SmackDown, and you even watch TNA, because we both did it too. And oh yeah, you watch New Japan. So listen, I watch everything.

SPEAKER_01: 0:52

You can watch stardom though. Because I don't have the right accesses for it. It's the same website. But also, ain't it like not in English? And I'm gonna be real with you. I'm not gonna sit here and watch it without no, without any kind of.

SPEAKER_02: 1:13

So I will until I can get some subbing in. So I got you on that. That's actually one of the things I was gonna talk about with I think I sold you in the message. So I subscribe to Stardom World because they said in like in most of their content is the English subtitles for promos. But you gotta give it a minute for the English subtitle to come on there. But here's the thing, I do also get is I do have a translator device that if the subtitles pop up, I can translate it in, but it just takes the system to work. So in real time, I technically can get it. It just gotta process the shit. So while the subtitles come on screen in Japanese, my system processes it and tells you what they say. Got it. So I will be able to tell you. But uh also uh Seya, I thought it was Saya, Seiya made a comeback. Uh the stardom, our girl. And uh I would just tell you this much. She was supposed to be on paid leave as the um stardom's champion. She gets paid leaved after New Japan's uh Wrestle Kingdom. And she said, Fuck that. Actually, I'm coming back to work uh January 24th from kicking ass. Because she was on paid leave to the 7th, where she would defend her title against Star Starlight Kid, which I'm like, oh shit, that's gonna be a match. That's right. Say of her Starlight Kid Starlight Kid, I'm watching that. But um I I will have to get back to you on the stardom stuff. I only watched that one episode, and there were some promos I need to be able to And you watched it on the actual stardom website. No, I watched the the situation I just told you, I watched it on that website. Okay. So I was like, hey, let me see if on Stardom World is this same episode on there, and it wasn't, but it had two other episodes that happened because apparently a pay-per-view happened last night. Yeah, a pay-per-view happened last night. So that that remember I told you how um Seya was coming back January 24th? Uh she came back and she had a match. So it was on there and it's on Stardom World. It wasn't on the website we watched it on. So I was like, oh, but I can get the subtitles on here. Okay, well let me, I guess, watch the wrestling, see if there's any story there to see how it works to the match that happened last night. And then that way, if they cut promos on there, I now know why, because of the story from the previous night. Does that make sense?

SPEAKER_01: 3:37

Gotcha.

SPEAKER_02: 3:38

So, but that stardom. Let's go into the lovely Monday night Raw that we had this week. And lovely? Like, is that is that what is that what we call it? No, actually, I'm just trying to think back. It was like lovely? Is that is that what we call it? I'm trying to think back what all the nonsense that happened on Raw.

SPEAKER_01: 3:56

So since we're gonna go ahead and get into it, let me just uh let me address this weird like elephant that's in the room. Which is weird that it's even a weird elephant in the room. Have you noticed how uh the the Royal Rumble is like this we next weekend, literally next weekend.

SPEAKER_00: 4:17

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01: 4:20

Nobody's talking about it.

SPEAKER_02: 4:21

No, no, because bro, we it's going to Saudi. Nobody, nobody here in the States give a fuck. No, not well that's the th and that's the thing.

SPEAKER_01: 4:34

When you say no one in the states gives a fuck, I I almost would like to say the fact that I don't think WWE gives a fuck either. They don't because they was in it for the bag.

SPEAKER_02: 4:43

Notice how like I've well, a part of the reason why is they can't really talk about too much of the rumble because the dirt sheets, the thing about with Saudi isn't, and the dirt sheets are really wild for this. They are so trying to find out every little thing behind the scenes about wrestling that they can't hype up anything or hide anything. You know how we always get surprise returns and things of that nature? So, because of this, um, people can find out who are flying to places like Saudi. So, like a Chris Jericho or whatever, that can't go under the radar because if they fly, people can find out that, hey, they're going over there. So that's why people were speculating at one point. Is Jericho gonna be in Saudi? But they found out no, because he has a concert with Fozzie the same weekend that it happens. So it's like, okay, he's not gonna be there, so let's not expect you know expect that or whatever.

SPEAKER_01: 5:42

But see, here's the thing. Uh my my my retort to it is like, man, imagine if in lieu of all that WWE was putting on some killer, uh, like amazing buildup going into the Royal Rumble that was so good that we didn't care. Imagine if we had been talking about the Royal Rumble since New Year's. Imagine if we had some crazy story about someone who's going to be in the Royal Rumble, and they've been feuding with uh person A, B, C, or even D. And there's like a big storyline talking about who's his face and what's her name being in the Royal Rumble and how they know for certain that they're going to win.

SPEAKER_02: 6:41

You know, you say that too, because the Royal Rumble is also a piece of the story that builds into WrestleMania. And I mean, shoot, it was the piece that built up to the Mania match with Shawn Michaels and Taker, and that that biggest piece of that story happened in the mut in the Rumble. That was the most like, oh, snap. And they played that so many times.

SPEAKER_01: 7:03

So, like, remember when Stone Cold was going into the Royal Rumble and he was having that feud with Vince McMahon?

SPEAKER_02: 7:12

See, you know, and it's funny you say that too, the attitude era type shit. Uh, I'm gonna get into this a little bit later. Uh, we had an attitude era WWE 2K game, which was 2013. And, you know.

SPEAKER_00: 7:24

Getting another one.

SPEAKER_02: 7:25

And we're getting another one. So and people don't realize, man, the attitude era is that fucking important. And people keep saying, oh, the attitude era is overrated. Okay, if that's the case, why is it the only era we keep going back to with video games? We don't ever touch ruthless aggression, we don't ever touch PG, we don't touch none of them fucking shits. You know why? Because I mean, granted, ruthless aggression era was great, but it did not make an impact as much as the attitude era. Wrestling was the most popular it ever was, ever during that era. Okay. Federation years, golden, you know, golden area, yeah, it was popular. It was known, but it never reached the heights that Attitude Era was. So it's like they keep always going back to that nostalgia to pull you in. And that's what they did with this game. And uh, because they can't really do the bloodline shit no more.

SPEAKER_01: 8:16

So the next one Well, that was because that's what the last game was. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02: 8:20

So the So how do we pull them in this time? And they even said, which is funny, it took them 13 years to make another game where the original cover will have punk on it. Because he was in the 2013 one. He was. And then uh 13 years later, he's the front cover again. And it's supposed to be about the what-ifs of seeing punk matches. Like if he did not leave for 10 plus years, the what-if matches he could have been having, which also incorporates with the attitude era, which same thing happened in 2K13. It's just funny.

SPEAKER_01: 8:51

It's just funny. It it is what it is. And and and when it comes to how everything's been going with this Royal Rumble, because like when you look at Raw, right, uh they only they they only started having people being like, oh, hey, by the way, I'm in the Royal Rumble this year, kind of thing. That started on the previous SmackDown. So going into Raw, now everybody's just like, oh, hey, by the way, I'm in the Royal Rumble. Oh, hey, uh, four letters, one word, uh uh, Rumble, you know, doing all these things, trying to like, oh, by the way, we're in the Rumble. And I'm just like, okay, all right, whatever. You know, it's so it's like now they're just like, oh, dang, like the Rumble is in is in two weeks now. I guess we should start talking about the Rumble and stuff now, huh?

SPEAKER_02: 9:42

And so I'm just like, no one cares about the Royal Rumble. I do find it funny that you say that too, because it's weird how um during Saturday night's main event, they try to pr they try to promote um the Rumble itself, but they only showed like those wrestlers that we just talked about. Yes. They only showed them. So they literally only showed everybody else.

SPEAKER_01: 10:07

Oh yeah, yeah. There's gonna be 30 people in the Royal Rumble. And the only uh the only people who they showed were the ones that and well actually you saying that reminds me, because on one of the on like when they were showing for the females, did you notice how like on one of the cards they had it was like instead of it showing like two people on this side and two people on this side, on one of them, it just showed one person over here and then two people over here. I'm like, damn, y'all ran out of females? Y'all y'all ran out of bitches? That's crazy. That's crazy. That's crazy. That's crazy. That's uh y'all, y'all, y'all are so strapped for people that y'all are so unnecessarily, by the way. You're so unnecessarily strapped for this that you had to like be like you I don't know. I don't know. I don't get it, I don't understand it, but it's like listen one thing I one positive I want to bring up, however, I I can't quite confirm it because next Raw is going to be the Raw that uh kind of sort of like gives solidifies everything, solidifies it. But have you noticed that the last couple of RAWs has been uh they they have pyro now?

SPEAKER_02: 11:26

Oh yeah, you saw how uh uh Cody had all that pyro last night?

SPEAKER_01: 11:30

No, no, no, no, no, no. I'm talking about at the start of the show. Um at the start of the show, you know, when they're doing like their whole introduction and they show they they show like everyone walking in, you know, uh so-and-so is here, and da-da-da-da-da. And then it's j and judgment day as they're walking with their briefcases and everything. That shit is and then like after that happens, Monday Night Raw. So I'm like, whoa, that has happened. Now, I I actually would have to reconfirm, but I know ever since that they made the raw theme song that that that MM track, the the fucking monster song, which is interesting to me that that's the that's the theme song for Raw right now.

SPEAKER_02: 12:20

They had to get rid of that Travis Scott shit. Well, I mean, I even though that song was fire for Raw. I I I actually like that.

SPEAKER_01: 12:27

It was okay.

SPEAKER_02: 12:29

It was a dope song to me, you know, and it was good. The beat was good. That's it. The song itself, I can give two fuck about, but the beat was fine.

SPEAKER_01: 12:36

But anyway. It was alright. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I don't know. It Travis Scott is like uh like he'll hit once and miss like five times.

SPEAKER_02: 12:44

Uh yeah, yeah. I bet you on that one.

SPEAKER_01: 12:47

But uh now, granted, I do like the song, but maybe it's just me, but like it's just I I I think it's just because of the fact that growing up watching wrestling and then going into this era that we're in now, I guess I'm just not used to hip hop being like the theme for wrestling.

SPEAKER_02: 13:10

Yeah, because again, we came from the the rock era where like everything was a rock song.

SPEAKER_01: 13:15

Yeah, everything was very rock, you know.

SPEAKER_02: 13:17

Everyone's how we got I don't know about you, but that's kind of how like I got introduced to rock was because of wrestling.

SPEAKER_01: 13:22

Oh, 100%.

SPEAKER_02: 13:23

Because like it would have been all hip hop and shit, probably. And this is why, you know, I always find it funny where people shame you're like, oh, you like rock music? I was like, bruh, I mean I got introduced to thanks to wrestling. A lot of the rock songs I listen to. Yes. From thanks from wrestling. Look at the car, you suck!

SPEAKER_01: 13:41

Listen, don't let anybody don't let anybody tell you otherwise. Rock music is great. Hell yeah. It's country is that's garbage. Oh my god. Country is ass. Country, absolute ass. All right, let's just just even rock music. Absolutely. Ask absolute garbage. Even even uh red toe little coat. Absolutely. Okay, I'm good. Full garbage. He's on full tilt, my name. Full garbage. Like, sure, there may be some onesie twosie. How about Jelly Road? Because Jelly Road is country. Country.

SPEAKER_02: 14:21

Is he country, though? He does country, yeah. He does country, but is he country? He's more country than anything, yeah. And now, and now Post Malone's definitely more country. Who said we like Post Malone?

SPEAKER_01: 14:33

Post Malone made some good songs. I mean, he did have that one track with Ozzie Osborne, sure. You don't like Rox? Is that his song? Yeah, that's his song.

SPEAKER_02: 14:43

The one with 21 Savage.

SPEAKER_01: 14:45

I only listen to it because 21 Savage.

SPEAKER_02: 14:47

Yeah, listen, I'm just being real in the big boy.

SPEAKER_01: 14:53

No.

SPEAKER_02: 14:53

G Waggon, G Waggon, G Waggon, G. That shit fire, man. Oh damn, that's crazy.

SPEAKER_01: 14:58

It's it's alright, but like it didn't that.

SPEAKER_02: 15:02

That's definitely your like kind of like I could see you rapping on that shit. Like that beat? Hell yeah.

SPEAKER_01: 15:08

Yes. Me.

SPEAKER_00: 15:09

Damn.

SPEAKER_01: 15:11

Me rapping on it. Not not. I didn't ask to see him rap on it. I would have gladly rapped on it. Alright, let's let's get back to Raw because now he didn't spill it off.

SPEAKER_02: 15:25

I'm just saying. But uh, but yeah, to have the have wrestling be the way it is in this modern era, you know, I I I feel like it is definitely a difference. But uh I'm not mad at it.

SPEAKER_01: 15:39

It's one of the same, I'm not mad at it. It's just uh a little bit. It's like I'm not mad at it, but um I feel I guess I'm I I guess it's that whole like I'm looking for the balance, right?

SPEAKER_02: 15:56

How do you feel about when they used to use Flowrider on almost every WrestleMania?

SPEAKER_01: 16:00

Well, unlike the other artists that you said, I fucking love Flowrider.

SPEAKER_02: 16:04

So And the weekend was like almost like four WrestleMania is like Well, unlike those other artists, I love the weekend. Oh, okay. So it's just picking the art picking a better artist, is what you're telling me.

SPEAKER_01: 16:16

I mean, picking a better artist would be a thing. And uh listen, I'm mad at Post Malone because he completely fucked up the soundtrack to the previous wrestling game, made the previous wrestling game soundtrack almost unlisten toable.

SPEAKER_02: 16:34

Oh yeah, he was part of that, right?

SPEAKER_01: 16:36

He was directly part of that. And then shortly after that happened, when he fucked up that saw that that whole thing, he decided to be all like, you know what? I don't like rap anymore. I'm gonna wear a cowboy hat and blah, blah, blah.

SPEAKER_02: 16:49

And but his words, Bob Dylan makes him cry, so he likes making music and make people cry.

SPEAKER_01: 16:55

Anyway, um to bring it back in though, when it comes to the lack of buildup for the Royal Rumble right now, when it came to Raw, so don't get me raw. Huh, don't get me raw. Don't get me wrong, but Raw was I like the overall show was okay, it was cool, but it was like it it did nothing to hype up the big pay-per-view that's supposed to be happening. It almost felt a little bit like a like a small filler episode, a little bit. Like as like, you know, there this is this is just we're just doing raw because number one, we gotta pander to the audience that we have here, because we're in Dublin, so we gotta give them Ben. And then we also just kind of sort of uh we're just trying to hurry up and get to the Royal Rumble so that we can get our big payday.

SPEAKER_02: 17:51

How did you feel about Ben coming back to his old thing?

SPEAKER_01: 17:55

Hold on now. We'll we'll we're gonna save that for a bit at the end.

SPEAKER_00: 18:00

Okay, okay, okay.

SPEAKER_01: 18:01

The main one before I want to talk about that, I do want to bring up uh this in a lot of people's opinions, and I kind of agree with them, this failed heel turn with Natalia.

SPEAKER_02: 18:15

Oh, yeah, that's just dumb. Bro, the whole situation. Oh my god. Seeing I'm I'm gonna throw this real seeing Maxine Dupree go, oh, what? How could you? Like, bro, y'all only like been together for like a day almost. Like, it hasn't been long enough for you to give the reaction of like shocked and like I I can't believe you. Like, bro, mm-mm.

SPEAKER_01: 18:41

Now, granted, it does only for the curiosity of it, and God, I hope they do. Cause think about this right now. Cause we're almost in some like like stupid Samoa Joe territory here, okay? No, let me I'm listening, I'm listening, I'm gonna let you cook. I was just curious. Natalia trained Maxine Dupree. We got the vignettes of them in the dungeon. She's putting her in the the ankle lock again, doing all this stuff. Maxine Dupree, it's black and white, they're sweating, they're beating the shit out of each other again. And then at the end, it's like, now you're ready. Go get them. You know, then the Maxine wins the title and does all these things. She has her fucking stupid moment where she looked at the referee. Is she tapping? Is she tapping? One, two, three. So we go through all of that. Take me back. So then now, Natty being on TV for the first time in God knows how long.

SPEAKER_02: 19:42

Years. And not, and by the way, she went as Natalia. That wasn't Natty. You're right. I'm gonna tell you why. Once you get there, I'm gonna tell you why.

SPEAKER_01: 19:49

Oh no, no, I I I I get why. Which is also a funnier thing, because going back to those like vignettes and promos, it was like, man, that that really felt like some low key life. Legend shit out there in the dungeon training Maxine Tupri to not be a fucking idiot just for her to be a fucking idiot to and lose her belt. But then now here we are, Natalia shows up and she's just there, and then she's all like, hey, could you like come out into the ring with me and be there for my match? And Natalia's like, yeah.

SPEAKER_00: 20:26

Okay, yeah, yeah. Thank you. That means so much to me. I got you, girl. Heel turn. And then it happens. And now it's like, why?

SPEAKER_02: 20:41

My issue I have here is I can definitely tell the differences between Natty and Natalia. That heel turn was not intense at all. There was a lot of fumbling of the how should I hit you now? Should I do this? And and and Natalia was not Natty. And I know Natty would have just gone full blown and just wrecked her shit. So that's why I like I respect Natty. I don't like Natalia. I don't like Natalia. And like for she didn't know what she wanted to do. It was like, bro, just beat her ass, put her in the sharpshooter. You didn't even know if you wanted to put her in the sharpshooter. It was like, what are you doing?

SPEAKER_01: 21:19

Yeah, it fell real flat. Real flat.

SPEAKER_02: 21:22

It was like a cake that was rising, and all of a sudden you open and it's flattened.

SPEAKER_01: 21:28

Yeah, it was it was incredibly flat. And so it was just like, uh, well, all right.

SPEAKER_02: 21:33

How do we make this shit sandwich? Now it tastes better.

SPEAKER_01: 21:36

I can only hope because after we saw all of that, you know, she went through all of that trouble to prepare her to get this title, and then she gets the title. If she shows up and hits me with some Samoa Joe shit saying, like, you never deserved that title, you know, you you're the um I'm praying it's a Pentagon Vampiro situation.

SPEAKER_02: 22:06

And for for since you, I think I showed you the match, but just to give you a situation, Vampiro technically was Penta's teacher, but Penta didn't know. And so he was doing all these things for his master, sacrifices for his master, and then Vampiro, to to see if he was fully ready, threw himself in a situation creating a match, where therefore at the end of the match, uh Vampiro was trying to see how ready is he to rip anyone apart, even his master, even though he didn't know his master, but even me, are you willing to rip me open and pause? Uh rip me apart and beat me. I know it's another pause. But anyway, uh, are you willing to do that even me? And then once they have that moment of like, you are ready, my son. Is this gonna be that moment of Natalia beating her up? And then they have a match where she wins and then they hug, and then she's like, You're actually ready. And I'm gonna be like, no, no, no, you didn't do it long enough for that to happen. You gave us one vignette, and then boom, I'm just this is my hypothetical, this is what the story is gonna be.

SPEAKER_01: 23:14

All right, gotcha. Uh yeah, yeah. Hopefully, it's absolutely none of that. Yeah, I believe it is. That is if she goes in there, fights her, and she hits her with some, you're ready. No, no, no, no, no.

SPEAKER_02: 23:28

Because like, because the title situation, the Samoa showed how about this? At least with the other one, I can see it making a little bit of sense because I've seen it before. You just didn't tell the story right. So the intercontinental title situation, if like you didn't deserve that title, that would just make me just turn it off. Turn off, bro. I'm not doing this again. I did it in AEW, I'm not doing this again.

SPEAKER_01: 23:55

Uh because I'm I am definitely on that tip of like, how are you going to spend all of your time training this girl just to then be like, nah, you weren't, you actually never were the one. It should have never been you. I actually should have been the one that had the title. You don't deserve that spotlight. You're you're not actually that great. Even though you did win the belt, and I helped you to get good enough to win the belt. I I don't think you're actually Okay.

SPEAKER_02: 24:31

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. But um Y'all y'all gotta understand the frustration of like just like how you said last week, where we understand store, we understand what good wrestling looks like. And for a storyline like this, you could have made it better.

SPEAKER_01: 24:47

Like this could be a storyline to make Maxine Debris look better, but you fucked it up by shortening the element of the storytelling and just immediately pulling the trigger, or just not doing it, because you know what have made that this whole process like less egregious is if because originally going into all of this Becky Lynch and and Maxine Toubri shit going on, going into it, Natalia was there, yes, okay, and then her name was brought up plenty of times, and then she's like, you know, going into getting ready for this title match, she's like, Natalia's going to train me, blah, blah, blah, all of this stuff. Cool, cool. Now, what should have happened after that is when it was time for her to win the title, Natalia didn't even have to necessarily be there present ringside. But Natalia should have showed up on TV at some point. Natalia should have been somewhere at some point. There should have been some kind of a vignette, not even a vignette, just like a quick backstage thing, instead of her being with Otis and fucking Tazawa goofing off in the background. Natalia should have been somewhere in that bit to be all like, I'm proud of you. I'm you you did the thing, you made it, blah, blah, blah. And then we should have seen more Natalia backstage with her leading up to this point so that when she and even it and for that whole bit, Natalia doesn't even actually necessarily even need to come out to the ring with her for these matches. She don't have to. I just just some kind of presence to show that Natalia is there with her, backing her up to some kind of degree. And then finally, when she loses the belt and all this other stuff, then there's that whole point where she's like, you know, when she gets this match to kind of, you know, try and get her belt back, then she finally it's all like, Natalia, I want you to be out there with me this time. This time. I want you to be out there with me this time when I get this belt. Because I want to celebrate with you, whatever it may, whatever it may be. And then we do what we got on Sra.

SPEAKER_02: 27:03

I kind of feel a little bit more like I would have wanted more vignettes of like her learning and getting better. Like that first time we got there, again, it was like she kept failing. Not her making people tap. It was like failing and failing and then getting better. I don't I only remember one vignette, and I don't think it's of them training?

SPEAKER_01: 27:24

Yes. So there was the first one where it's like her, she's training her, and da-da-da-da. And then the next week, because I do agree there should have been more, because the next week it was actually I I think there might have been, I could be wrong.

SPEAKER_02: 27:38

I only think I remember ever seeing two.

SPEAKER_01: 27:40

I know potentially. I I I'm pretty I'm I believe there might have been a part of you wants to believe it. I don't know. But there was also one where Maxine Dupree is she's training against other people, and she's the one who's like saying, do it again. Yeah, and then she's like again. And then at the end, Natalia's like, all right, that's good. Now do it to me type thing. And so, so that was a whole thing. But it's like having one, two, if if there was only two, if they we could have gotten three, that would have been great. But it's not even so much those vignettes, it's more so the lack of presence of Natalia to make this whole thing matter.

SPEAKER_02: 28:34

There's only one vignette, B. It was only one? Yeah. Wait, hold on. See, this is this one video, and it's it's her training in a dungeon for a one minute and 50 seconds. And that and that's it. That's the only one I see that's on here. Besides when they came out to the ring six days ago. I'm looking it up. Title match for her, the backstabbing. And then there's this other one, but it's the same one. I was just looking at it, the same one. So if it was, maybe.

SPEAKER_01: 29:02

Because both of them were very similar. But there was, but there was a whole Oh wait, hold on, there's another one.

SPEAKER_02: 29:10

This is uh, is this the same one? Keep going, keep going.

SPEAKER_01: 29:13

But but but even but regardless of whether if it was one or two, or hopefully if it I don't think it was, but if it was three, is the those parts aren't what's the problem. The problem is the fact that going into those videos and then coming out of those videos, there was a severe lack of Natalia. All right. That part, yeah. There was no Natalia, because like I said, in the very, very beginning, because let it be known, her and Becky Lynch have had like six matches at this point, right? Yeah, there was the very first time where they fought, and Becky Lynch beat her, made her cry, and all this good stuff, right? And then afterwards, like, and during that particular time, Natalia was extremely heavily involved. I don't remember, I think Natalia fought Becky at one point.

SPEAKER_02: 30:09

No, I definitely don't remember that shit. They didn't fight. I don't look it up right now. I don't I don't think I remember that.

SPEAKER_01: 30:16

I do know in the beginning, when this whole situation started, Natalia was standing up for her, and she's like, Well, if you want to do something, why won't you run it? We can fight. And Becky Lynch is like, you know what? That's a great idea. We should fight. But I'm not fighting you. I'm gonna fight Maxine Dupree.

SPEAKER_02: 30:33

There's that's when it started. There is a match between her and Natalia. Uh it looks like February 2nd for the Intercontinental title five months ago. Five months ago.

SPEAKER_03: 30:48

That was when her and Becky went against each other, it was five months ago.

SPEAKER_01: 30:51

Yes, but but now this this storyline has been going, because once again, yeah, yeah. This there these they have had six matches, I think, up until this point, right? But in the but that was one, as you said, five months ago. That was in a very, very, very, very, very beginning. Yeah. Okay. And so, and during that time, Natalia was trying to stand up for her.

SPEAKER_02: 31:11

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01: 31:12

And then afterwards, like, you know, that's when she wanted to go be a low-key legend. It's like uh, you know, like Natalia stood up for her, and then, you know, Maxine Dupree has been having the on and off thing with Becky Lynch. And it's one of those things is the fact that the fact that Natalia was not there for, I don't know, most of this after that, like in between when that happened and then the videos that happened, Natalia was kind of missing in action. And it was just Maxine Dupree with Otis and Tizawa and all that shit, kind of deal, right? So all that goes down. That's all a thing, that's all a situation, blah, blah, blah. I mean, there was AJ Lee, she was there, but that's not Natalia kind of thing. And so then moving forward, then there's the whole training art that she goes through type situation. Uh and during the time when she went to the training heart, it was all like, all right, so like who's actually backing her? Is it actually Natalia or is she being backed by AJ Lee? Because her and AJ Lee are acting like they're super buddy buddy and all this other shit, right? But it turns out, no, she's going to train. She's training with Natalia. All right, cool. So we're bringing Natalia back into this. If after those videos, Natalia would have been present through literally everything else, been present through her title reign, been present for when she lost the belt, and then leading into this point right here, sure. Because then at that point, we're invested in the relationship that these two have. But then because of the fact that we didn't do any of that, it's like from from my point of view, and I'm sure from everyone else's point of view, it was almost as if like we're watching wrestling, we're watching wrestling, and then that and Natalia's just standing there. Oh shit, Natalia's back. Literally, and then she walks up, it's like, hey, you want to come and stand outside and ring with me? Natalia. Blink blink. Sure. And then what happens, happens, and we're all like, what? Huh?

SPEAKER_00: 33:08

Huh?

SPEAKER_01: 33:09

So Javon Evans is hurt. Match was a no contest with the with the with the book.

SPEAKER_02: 33:19

Apparently, it legit got hurt, though.

SPEAKER_01: 33:21

Yes, yeah. That like literally, match was happening, it goes commercial break, match is no longer happening.

SPEAKER_02: 33:27

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Which, you know, that's another thing that uh is mainly because they say that the the talent are not getting the chance to go to house shows and you know flush out that stuff. But I'm like, isn't that what NXT is for?

SPEAKER_00: 33:43

Yes and no.

SPEAKER_02: 33:44

I I understand I'm I'm speaking facetious, you know. Because yes, that is what NXT is for. It's supposed to be like we're putting you in front of an audience to flush yourself out as a character. But yes, going to house shows is like, yeah, you're Monday, you're on raw, Tuesday you're in whatchamacallit, doing a house show. Thursday, you might be here doing a house show, and then you're back on raw again. So like you're getting more chances to bump in the ring and doing all that kind of stuff.

SPEAKER_01: 34:11

But not even so much that. So what the what what's the what's the issue when it comes to house shows, right, is the fact that whenever you have house shows, right? Let's let's say with Javon Evans and the the fucking what what do you call the uh goddamn Americano, the big American, right? Yeah. So in a house show, Javon Evans and the big American could have a match. And because it's a house show, it doesn't matter. Sure. They and that's where they can like test out new things, goof off, whatever, blah, blah, blah. And then when they have the actual TV match, Javon and the big American are comfortable or kind of have an idea of what they can do.

SPEAKER_02: 34:57

The chemistry can be better, yeah.

SPEAKER_01: 34:59

Yeah, it kind of like helps on with the chemistry piece, kind of deal. You know, to some degree. Or if they were like fighting in a tag match, you know, that's like, oh, okay, I got a little feel for this guy type situation. Cool. And then also the house shows keep the body warmed up. But however it may be, Javon Evans apparently is hurt, unfortunately. Hope he feels better. And I hope it's not a super long injury because damn, to get because they said it was like uh I actually never said what it exactly was, but he was holding like his shoulder area.

SPEAKER_02: 35:31

It might have been dislocation.

SPEAKER_01: 35:33

And hopefully that's not because we saw how long Liv Morgan was gone from that.

SPEAKER_02: 35:36

But Liv Morgan also did the movie trip, too.

SPEAKER_01: 35:40

She did, but uh, and then and then because it came back and he had a dislocate shoulder. Was it dislocated?

SPEAKER_03: 35:48

Yeah, it was dislocated. Okay. That's why he didn't make it to the John Cena tournament. The rest of that tournament, because he dislocated shoulder for doing her at Toronto.

SPEAKER_01: 35:56

Oh yeah, I know that that was what he uh Yeah, and he came back. But also, Dominic has also fucked shoulder up.

SPEAKER_02: 36:02

Yeah, what you're talking about in that one well, that happened. I thought you were talking about in that next match. But no, yeah, I don't know.

SPEAKER_01: 36:07

No, no, no. No, no, no, no, I know what you're talking about.

SPEAKER_02: 36:10

Uh the triple A, triple X.

SPEAKER_01: 36:11

Listen, everyone's shoulders are getting busted right now.

SPEAKER_02: 36:13

Well, I mean, Stevie Richards is saying the way that these guys are wrestling, their careers would be very short. You got a point there, Stevie. You do have a point. But man, they fucking adults. Let them do what they want to do with their body. It's I mean, I'm I'm just saying, if you consent it, I mean, everybody knows this is a negotiation between two people to say, hey, these are what our characters do, this is what we're gonna do. Hey, I kind of want to do a uh an avalanche uh Canadian destroyer. Are you cool with that? Uh, you sure about your neck? Yeah, man, I don't give a fuck, bro. Let's do it. We can do it safe. You know what I'm saying? Let's try to do it safe.

SPEAKER_01: 36:46

Bro, we're not talking about AEW just yet. I'm just saying calm down. You're getting heads.

SPEAKER_02: 36:52

But I'm just saying, like that, that dumb shit that happened, you know what I'm saying? That happened to Keith Ledger. And he even said it himself in the interview, he was like, yeah, that was a bad idea. But anyway, um, so that was just one segment alone, and then going into the Javon Evans thing. So let's talk about the rest of Raw.

SPEAKER_01: 37:10

Well, the only other bits that are really to talk about is the the fact of number one, uh, which honestly was the best part about Raw, the Gunther and AJ Styles match.

SPEAKER_02: 37:21

It really was good. It was really good. It was it was a good, you know how Raw used to have really good matches back in the day? Like, it was like, damn, that was Barn Burner, and that's what that felt like. It was a banger of a match that, damn, you wish you had DVR recorded so you didn't miss it. That's what that match was.

SPEAKER_01: 37:41

And so with going on now, when we have AJ Styles now, which I'm a little, I'm like a little wishy wash it on it, because I like the fact that they're finally doing some kind of like something with Gunther. Now, I don't like the fact that we're really going on this career killer, uh shit. This career killer line.

SPEAKER_02: 38:07

You're only hurting him as a character.

SPEAKER_01: 38:08

Gunther is now supposed possibly going to be retiring AJ Styles because AJ Styles has agreed to that fight and all this other stuff. And so it's like, um I guess uh it's uh but that uh what was that, Matt?

SPEAKER_00: 38:27

But but but but but how are we feeling about Finn right now? About who, Finn? Mr.

SPEAKER_02: 38:36

Balor look, I like seeing old Balor, but he is still Penn Bauer. Nothing will change that. You being in Finland, you being in your fucking home country could not even change you being Penn Balor. Uh at this point, man, just go back to New Japan. Yeah, just go back to Nut Japan. If you want to be something, you definitely ain't gonna be here in WWE. Uh not even Triple H, the guy who made you go, oh brr at Enex T. It's still showing his Vince tendencies to say, hey, you know what? Finn was a hot commodity at one point. He still has the ability of being a hot commodity because he has his demon character. Hey, we should probably use that now. And no, no. We just brought back Balor Club, which you just wanted to make Bullet Club, WWE Bullet Club, and it wasn't really the WWE Bullet Club, so yeah. I I I I Finn Finn is a great wrestler, he's a great person, you know, especially listening to the podcast episode with him, Cody. You gotta want the guy to win. You just want the guy to win, but he's just not gonna win while he's there. And if his paycheck is okay for him to have that kind of career, man, who am I to say anything?

SPEAKER_01: 39:47

I can agree with the fact actually I I can agree with most of that bit. Um, uh however I I I do wanna say, uh, nah, let the demon stay dead. Um You didn't like the demon? I didn't. It's not that I didn't like it. It's just the fact that there's no use for it.

SPEAKER_02: 40:05

I feel no, but as he said in the podcast, the demon was something that was supposed to come out randomly. It was kind of like the oh shit, this match has the demon involved. Like this is, it's almost like The Rock wearing his gold trunks back in the day when you knew he was gonna win. So like uh it's like if the demon comes out, then you know this match is gonna be a little bit more special. And so for them to be like, no, we actually need to use it as this character of why does it come out? And it's like, no, if you just kept it as he did in NXT, where it was just random, that was what made it cool.

SPEAKER_01: 40:40

But see, that's the thing. It wasn't even random in NXT, it was a little bit random, though. No, it in NXT, the demon came out at the big at the big match.

SPEAKER_02: 40:52

Yeah, that's what I'm saying.

SPEAKER_01: 40:53

Like, but that's not random. That's the big match.

SPEAKER_02: 40:56

Okay, but like even with that though, remember they did all the spectacles of like why the demon is who he is, and it's just like it was just the entity of like this is big match John now coming out to the ring. This demon, demon ballot was big match John. Like he has to put his big boy boots on and go fight the big fight.

SPEAKER_01: 41:15

Which, yes, that is true, but that's also part of the reason why the demon didn't work. It the the the reasons why the demon didn't work is the same reasons why the fiend was not working as good as it could have been. Because why would I expect anything out of regular Finn Balor? Just like how why would I expect anything out of happy go lucky Bray Wyatt?

SPEAKER_02: 41:47

Okay, I'm gonna do you something better. Remember how Well Undertaker was American badass, and suddenly he gets buried alive and then comes back as Taker. What makes him so different now as the dead man because he was American badass before, and yes, he kicked ass, but all of a sudden, gong, and the whole fucking arena erupts.

SPEAKER_01: 42:08

So, with that one, is because of the fact that to get to the phenom that is Undertaker and the the kind of presence that he brings, him getting buried alive, him being killed, is why that happened. Now, when it happened, notice how when Undertaker died and became the dead man again. He stayed stayed dead.

SPEAKER_02: 42:35

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay.

SPEAKER_01: 42:38

Now, when Undertaker made that switch from, you know, when he made-currently is where he's badass, but he's taker. Yes, it is like, and only because I've recently was watching these things. When you look at when Undertaker was going through his Ministry of Darkness phase, the way that that was the way that Undertaker was portrayed at that time was almost as if like Undertaker, because like there was moments where in like during that time frame, especially in the beginning, uh well, Vince McMahon, he was calling Undertaker Mark kind of thing. He was calling like Mark, you gotta chill out, you gotta stop. Because at that particular time, it was almost as if like the whole idea of like it being just a mental thing for Undertaker doing the dead man thing, and he was and when he went into full-on Ministry of Darkness, he literally kind of sort of went a little psychotic and he's got this whole he and he and he decided to form this cult type situation because after that kind of faded off, that was when he started tag teaming with Big Show, and he kind of sort of was and that was as he was slowly dropping the Undertaker gimmick, and then when he disappeared and he came back, he was on bikes and everything, but there was a small little lead up to that point when he was on bikes, and then at that point we was getting dead man ink and he was alive, and then Kane killed him metaphorically, and then we brought back the dead man, and so and that's that now it'd be one thing if we was getting Finn Balor, which is what I wish they would have done. If we was getting Finn Balor and then something happens with Finn Balor and then he switches, and now we're getting the demon, and we're only getting the demon. Or what I also wish they could have done with him is like maybe Finn Balor does not actually want to be the demon, and now Finn Balor is on some Bruce Banner shit, switching back and forth from Finn and the Demon.

SPEAKER_02: 44:52

You know, the situation, I had to really look it up just for a second. The situation with Finn Balor and the Demon is very similar to the Great Muda and and Kijimoto. Uh Kijimoto. Um, so are you you're familiar with the Great Muda, correct?

SPEAKER_01: 45:05

Yes.

SPEAKER_02: 45:06

You're familiar with Great Muda actually is a persona of Keiji Muto. So they're two different entities. So where Muda, I'm not super familiar with how whatever Keiji would turn into Muda, but he turns into Muda as in a oh shit. Like I have to turn into him. Very much similar to Finn, whenever he had to go into his big matches, but he would still swap. So the the wrestling world knew that Keiji Muda is his own entity, and the great Muda is their own entity. So I want to say, I don't know if it's just because in Japan it really worked for the demon. Because yes, he could just randomly just come out. It's like, it's yeah, it's it's Prince Devin. It's Prince Devin. It's bro, oh, it's the and now it's the shit got real and it works there. But in America, we need to understand why and why don't you just stay that? Why don't you, if it's just more powerful for you to win matches as the demon, why don't you just stay as the demon? And I think I think that's the styles clashing of how we enjoy wrestling real Japan, Japan Japan. Japanese wrestling, yeah.

SPEAKER_01: 46:21

Western wrestling.

SPEAKER_02: 46:22

Yes, wrestling wrestling, because they'll accept what you throw at them and just say, all right, tell me the story in the ring. Rather than, hey, if you're gonna keep doing this, why should I care every week? Exactly. They don't care why you care every week. It's I'm here for the spectacle that is what it is. And I and and like kind of like going to a house show. Whatever the fuck you give me, I'll take it.

SPEAKER_01: 46:44

Yeah, that's took me a second to think about it. And that and that and that is exactly the reasons why it worked in Japan versus the Western audience. Because the why, when you're what when we watch uh Japanese wrestling, the why in Japanese wrestling is extra is so different from the why in American wrestling. And it's different because of the ways that it's presented.

SPEAKER_05: 47:14

Yes.

SPEAKER_01: 47:15

Because as we've said before, all ja Japanese wrestling, everything is set is happens and is settled and takes ha it takes place in the ring.

SPEAKER_02: 47:23

Yep, yep, yep, yep.

SPEAKER_01: 47:25

And so, as where in American wrestling, Western wrestling, the why is everywhere. Is everywhere.

SPEAKER_02: 47:35

It's backstage, it's when they go in the car and they drive off somewhere, like keyfabe was the reason why it's such a big thing here. Because granted, in Japan, Kfabe was a thing at one point. It is technically somewhat still a thing, but like in America, if we Americans saw Undertaker and Stone Cole after they've been feuding with each other in a bar, and we see them at, oh no, excuse me, feuding in the ring, and they hate each other, I hate your fucking guts, and then you see them at the bar that evening, be like, yo, what the fuck? You're just trying to like each other. Y'all don't like each other. What the fuck? And so that can happen there, and they can respect the spectacle that it is.

SPEAKER_04: 48:13

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02: 48:14

And we can't. I hate to say it, but Americans like it. It's just the way we've been wired. Yeah, we we we are wired to the fantasy of what it is. Don't fuck up the fantasy of what it is.

SPEAKER_01: 48:27

And so that's so yeah, that that's the reason why the demon building.

SPEAKER_02: 48:32

It don't work. And it sucks because the demon is. I I really do enjoy the demon as a character, just because it has a lot of great potential of being something. It's just like you said before, you have to be demon all the time. Now, the only other the uh well to finish up, talk goddamn. Sorry, I'm I'm stinking, just imagine like how Taker used to be back in the day, and it's the goom. It's just like if you just heard the heartbeat, the and it's just like it could have, it could have been.

SPEAKER_01: 49:00

It could it could have been. But for him to have fixed, for him to have done that, he needed to go full beat. And now I'm just imagining like just moments of like the Which is crazy that I uh maybe it's because he didn't want to, or no, it wasn't.

SPEAKER_02: 49:16

No, it was it was it was creative. He said it creative had to explain well why. Why, why there's a demon is this, this, and that. And he only just enjoyed doing the character randomly. I think he he said it before himself. He didn't want to be it fully. Um, but I truly feel like, man, if you did, you could you could have been Undertaker. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01: 49:35

Fuck. Oh, listen. If not only could he have been Undertaker, he would have fought Undertaker by now. Hell we would have had, we would have had Demon. We would have had Demon versus Dead Man.

SPEAKER_02: 49:46

Oh, man.

SPEAKER_01: 49:47

We would have had uh we would have had Demon versus Demon in Kane.

SPEAKER_02: 49:53

Like and in Finn Balor versus Demon versus Bray Wire.

SPEAKER_01: 49:58

We would have had a several time heavyweight champion in Finn Balor, in my opinion. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02: 50:05

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01: 50:07

But instead, we get him losing to CM Punkton.

SPEAKER_02: 50:10

We get Penn Balor. And then this is definitely one of those, I'm definitely making a video on this. Uh this is definitely one of those what ifs if you just went full demon, where your career probably would have been.

SPEAKER_01: 50:20

If I'm anyway. If it just before I let go of Raw here, because I want to quickly touch on SmackDown, is the fact that uh what I what I do appre the the other thing that made me very appreciative of Raw is this whole thing with Braun Breaker right now. Ooh, yeah.

SPEAKER_02: 50:44

That who do you think who do you think uh calls? Bro, I don't know. People say it's Chris Jericho. But why? Why would it be Chris Jericho? Because they're saying Chris Jericho will be the new leader of the vision. I'm like, that's stupid. Again, IWCP, IWC, it it just it just wants to just throw shit and then that somebody throws a dart and says Chris Jericho.

SPEAKER_01: 51:08

Talk about a discus lariat right there. That's not funny.

SPEAKER_02: 51:10

There's Chris Jericho, but uh, part of me, some people are saying it's Scott Steiner. And that which I was like, what does Scott Steiner, what weight does he have on Adam Pierce? By the way. But I I kind of they want to do a similar thing where Scott Steiner's coming out there, uh, even though it's technically his brother's son. Yes, it is. So it's just like, well, what? He is Uncle Scott? Yeah. So like, what the fuck would Scott Steiner do, bro? Um, but some people are saying it's Scott Steiner. Some people saying it's Vince.

SPEAKER_01: 51:40

And I'm like, I mean, I'd possibly say Shane or something if I go on down that route.

SPEAKER_02: 51:46

Shane has no part of WWE. Now that's why that was the photos of him and uh Tony Khan sitting down together because they thought he was gonna go to AEW. Which I really wish that would have happened. I I would have been so in for it. I would have. AEW would have bear for it. Uh we would probably got a uh AEW Underground, which I actually AEW Underground would have probably slapped. I ain't gonna lie. AEW Underground probably would have slapped, especially with John Moxley there. That would have slapped. The Deaf Riders would have killed in A in AEW Underground.

SPEAKER_01: 52:19

Killed. Oh no, but let's let's not get let's not bring up Oh no, I'm still here.

SPEAKER_02: 52:28

But I'm just saying, you can't tell me.

SPEAKER_01: 52:30

Bro, bro.

SPEAKER_02: 52:31

Because we'll we'll we'll we'll we'll we'll talk about that. I'm just saying hypothetically hypothetically, absolutely the death riders would have made sense in their auto.

SPEAKER_01: 52:40

Shh Death Riders as what they are would have made sense in the underground. However, the underground would not have made sense in AEW. Period. See how WWE got rid of that shit real quick?

SPEAKER_02: 52:57

Because their characters they build are to be superstars. Who else is fighting in the underground on AEW, bro? I mean, I'm just saying, you got Speedball Mike Bailey, you could do Keth uh uh Fletcher, you could, you could do uh Bandit, uh what's that dude?

SPEAKER_01: 53:15

Um Keith uh the the the the the the guy who does the the bounties um fuck I I know his character name I can't think of it's bad app garbage all right man I get it if you don't like it it's boss the whole idea was the whole idea originally was Basuda freaking it being on AEW would be garbage and of course because it's on AEW we'll have to make another title for it, which is garbage.

SPEAKER_02: 53:43

Yeah, okay. All right, moving on. All right, before we let's go back to the Braunbreaker shit. So, Braunbreaker, that situation, we don't know who's on the phone. Um, but I do agree, I do enjoy what they're doing with him right now. They're making him super strong. Oh, yes. Super strong.

SPEAKER_01: 54:03

100%.

SPEAKER_02: 54:04

The thing about it is, if he gets another title match, he has to win it. You you have to strap him with the belt. He has to go to the fucking moon, bro. You can't believe I feel like, man, him going into the rumble, the no offense to the Saudi crowd. Y'all not gonna pop the way we here with at the States. Y'all, y'all not gonna pop. Like a Chicago crowd would go. Um, I what other crowds you think would have go crazy besides the UK, because you know they go crazy for everything, I think.

SPEAKER_01: 54:35

Oh yeah, they just they're just crazy. But what are you referring to? Like just ref like going crazy for what?

SPEAKER_02: 54:42

Braun Breaker coming into the rumble and winning the rumble and then getting that mania match? I mean, yeah, there is, I mean, it would be kind of wild. Like, just don't put him on TV for a while and just build up, build up, build up, and then the rumble happens.

SPEAKER_01: 54:56

Well, that's kind of well, that's it's funny, because like that's kind of sort of what they were trying to do for this.

SPEAKER_05: 55:02

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01: 55:02

And right now, what people are thinking is gonna happen is the fact he's gonna come back and Adam Pierce is going to uh reinstate him and let him be in the Rumble, but people are saying he's gonna come into the Rumble as number one.

SPEAKER_00: 55:17

Yeah, dominate.

SPEAKER_01: 55:18

Now, Braun Breaker dominating the Royal Rumble does make sense, and I think with what you're saying is agreeable, and that's the fact that like with like because right now, which is it's almost weird with how everything is happening, it's like because for all intents and purposes, the stuff that's been going on with Braun Breaker has been so engrossing and like the main thing that's kind of been keeping wrestling like actually kind of interesting right now for WWE to the point where all this has been going on, and as I said at the top, I almost forgot there was a Royal Rumble. Like, I didn't I didn't care. But now it's like, oh, oh, four letters one word, Royal Rumble, yeet. Okay, oh there, oh, they are doing Royal Rumbles. That is a thing. Okay, cool.

SPEAKER_02: 56:07

Cool. And so Which was weird because they were speculating that Sammy was gonna run the Rumble, and we're gonna get to what happens at Sarah and that main event. But now that you do that, it's like, what the fuck? So then now who wins? And it has to be Braun Breaker. Can't be Cody.

SPEAKER_01: 56:23

No, Cody's not winning the Royal Rumble.

SPEAKER_02: 56:25

It can't be Cody. Can't be Cody, it has to be Braun. Like, Cody must win the Rumble.

SPEAKER_04: 56:29

Uh who cares about Roman Reigns anymore?

SPEAKER_02: 56:32

Like he apparently wants a match and it has to be for A Bell at Mania.

SPEAKER_01: 56:37

Well, I guess he won't be at Mania.

SPEAKER_02: 56:40

But that's what what Saudi is trying to do is at mania.

SPEAKER_01: 56:43

He can fight for the Intercontinental, he'd be aight.

SPEAKER_02: 56:45

No, apparently Saudi is trying to get him versus The Rock.

SPEAKER_01: 56:48

At Mania? Yeah. Or you're talking about for their mania.

SPEAKER_02: 56:51

Yeah. No. Who cares? Well, they were trying, they want real big money for The Rock, the Rock there, which is. Depending on The Rock's bag, it's. Well, the thing about easy also that muscle now, so he ain't doing wrestling no more. But all that muscle. Anyway, going back into that, sorry.

SPEAKER_01: 57:07

Now with SmackDown, I'll be honest with you. SmackDown was.

SPEAKER_02: 57:11

Boy, can we talk about how my boy was rapping the set? I'm not even about that life. I'm just letting you know. My man full on blood. He got blood flag on. He repping up blood. That boy Fatu. Straight up gang member on TV, bro. Yeah, it was questionable. Gangbanging right on TV, bro. Real questionable. That shit was crazy. No disrespect to the set at all. Any of y'all, it was just like, this, I know he's a I know he's a gang member. I know he is. And him and Zilla are both gang members. And then to him be repping his entire set and have the bandana on the right side and everything, and be live on television threatening the motherfucker. That shit was crazy.

SPEAKER_01: 57:57

So as far as that goes, um, that all happening going into uh Saturday Night Main event. Um I'm I'm glad that they had that happen. That was a good promo too. Because I because boy oh boy, I was like, Jacob, the hell is wrong with you? Now I ain't gonna lie, after it all was there, I'm like, Jacob, the hell is wrong with you? Cause that it's almost like I like the promo and I like the back and forth that they had, but it was almost like watching somebody trying to make someone realize how how incorrect they are. And the other person beyond like, nah, bro. I was right this whole time. And it's because like Cody was giving us some facts. I'm like, I mean, yeah. And he's out here, I'm like, yeah, but I'm right.

SPEAKER_02: 58:57

And I'm just like, all right, Jacob. Yeah, like Jacob was like, I mean, yeah, he was getting ready to win the match. I just stopped him. And he was right about that. He was getting Drew Drew was getting ready to go out of that ring, out of that cage. But then Jacob literally turns around and starts beating the hell out of Cody didn't even do anything yet. Cody came up to him.

SPEAKER_01: 59:15

Oh, that's what it was.

SPEAKER_02: 59:16

Cody came up to him, was like, hey, what are you doing? And his father was like, but get the fuck off me. So it really it was Cody's goddamn fault. Cody was not I'm about to say something wild. Cody was not minding his damn business is what that was. Cody was being a baby face and saying, No, you should not touch him. And like, bro, he getting his ass beat.

SPEAKER_01: 59:40

Actually, you should be like, and see, and here, and here's where that that that conflict of like, cause because it it the reasons why I enjoyed this back and forth that they had, because you said Cody didn't mind his damn business when this was his fucking match for him. His title. Everything happening in this match is his business because his belt was on the.

SPEAKER_02: 1:00:07

He could have walked out of the ring, bro. He saw that man getting his ass beat. And motherfucker, it won't like he was about to get disqualified. Now he would have got disqualified. Then I'd have been pissed. You know, I'd have been mad that I would have beat his ass too. But like he literally stopped the man from leaving the ring and said, Oh, worry, y'all fighting? Can I walk out this motherfucker right now? No, you I gotta involve myself. No, stop this. I have to win this fair and square.

SPEAKER_01: 1:00:32

I don't think it was a whole bit about him wanting to win it fair and square. It's more so just the fact that Cody Rose is literally looking at this like, nigga, what the fuck you doing? Get my get back, man. Kick my teeth in. What you expect? But that's not what he said. He said, nigga, sit your ass down and move out the fucking way. And of course, anybody is gonna take, you would take that personal like, whoa, whoa, whoa. First off, you came into my match where I'm trying to handle my business.

SPEAKER_02: 1:01:10

Here's the difference between me and a Cody. I would be a tweener or heel. And as a tweener in this situation, oh you can handle your business, huh? But again, difference between babyface and a tweener. I'm definitely a heel or a tweener. I'm definitely in the between. If I'm a if I'm an active competitor and I got to choose what I want it to be, because either way I can tell you, it's more fun to be a heel, it's it's harder to be a babyface. As we all know, baby faces get the ass kicked the most. And you gotta make the audience love you. As a heel, it's easy to get heel heat, and I get kicked most ass. There you go.

SPEAKER_01: 1:01:57

Now, when it comes to everything else with SmackDown, aside from that particular bit, and I don't even, I'm not because like SmackDown did uh it's three hours, and I mean three hours of really great matches for all intents and purposes. But as far as the story goes, it's uh it's still kind of lacking. I did enjoy SmackDown, don't get me wrong. Smackdown was great, but it was great because there was just great things to watch happen. Like Kit Wilson. Sure. But better than Kit Wilson, uh because you were saying him saying his name earlier. Oh, Trick Will. And the main thing that I wanted to point out about was with SmackDown was Trick Williams. That man got aura. Correct. He has, let me put it this way: for me, when I was watching SmackDown, and then they had that beginning bit with Trick Williams and Sami Zayn and uh Damian Priest, right? In my eyes, I'm looking at Trick Williams and I'm like, man, your star shines so bright standing next to these guys.

SPEAKER_02: 1:03:09

Yes. It's like you're already one of them.

SPEAKER_01: 1:03:12

Like, unfortunately, of the three in the ring, it's like Damien Priest's star is the weakest. Yeah, it's a black star. It's literally drained.

SPEAKER_02: 1:03:23

He is as as in a uh uh Mario Party, it's a czar.

SPEAKER_04: 1:03:27

A czar?

SPEAKER_02: 1:03:28

You never played the most recent Mario Party where they got this one map where you have to go against either Bowser or the Toad. And if you get to Bowser, he has to pay 20 uh coins to get a star, no matter what. And when you get the star, it's not a star, it's a czar. It's a fake star.

SPEAKER_04: 1:03:47

No, I have not.

SPEAKER_02: 1:03:48

So they call it a toad.

SPEAKER_04: 1:03:49

I haven't that's it's a it's a really shitty map.

SPEAKER_02: 1:03:52

You only get one direction, and basically, if the tower is not flipped to toad, then you can't get the star. But if it's flipped to Bowser, no matter what, you have to give what Bowser gives you.

SPEAKER_01: 1:04:02

Damn. And it's rough.

SPEAKER_02: 1:04:04

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01: 1:04:04

Got it. But yeah, no, like um what when it comes down to Trick Williams right now, like Trick Williams is a hot commodity. He is, he is way, he is way, he is way too high for what he is working with.

SPEAKER_00: 1:04:22

Yes.

SPEAKER_01: 1:04:22

Okay. Like, Damien Priest is great, but get him out of here. All right. He should have took the pin. Just just screw him on away. Who took the pen? It was Randy.

SPEAKER_02: 1:04:34

Randy weren't too. No, no, no. Actually, Damian did take the pen. Sorry. No, Damian took the pin. Damien to the pin. Randy tried to get in there to stop it. Yeah, I remember now.

SPEAKER_01: 1:04:43

Yeah, it was like one of those deals where I'm just like, yeah, he tried to, but didn't get it. But it was just to me, I'm like, Trick Williams is so ready for that start. But what I feel the problem is with Trick is the fact that he is too hot. He is too hot right now.

SPEAKER_02: 1:05:03

He's scorching.

SPEAKER_01: 1:05:04

He is too hot right now for them to not pull the trigger on him right now. And because they're not gonna pull the trigger on him right now, he's burning so fast, so brightly right now, so much energy, that when they finally are all like, you know what, okay, I guess we'll do something. By that time, we're not going to care. It's kind of like what happened with him, our United States champion. When he first came over, he was he was burning hot too. But I have to say, when he came over, he was not burning as hot as Trick Williams is right now. That whooped that trick, bro. It's like for uh for for Trick Williams right now, it's like to me, there's not really anybody on the roster right now who that aside from the people in the vision, I would say. There's really no one else on the roster right now that you can put up with Trick Williams in in terms of like star power and how everything looks, and you know have two megastars in a ring. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And it's like right now, they're especially with how it is right now, because the only other people who could do that are on Raw over here. Cody, yeah. Or Cody. Cody could do it, but Cody doesn't have anything that Trick William has wants right now for it to make sense. Yeah. And then because Trick is a bad guy right now, it wouldn't make sense with Drew McIntyre.

SPEAKER_02: 1:06:41

Yep.

SPEAKER_01: 1:06:42

Nope. And so it's like I I I just really hope.

SPEAKER_02: 1:06:46

Which unless they uh they just pull a a rock fast, and where the rock was a heel for a while, and then suddenly he went against Vince, and then he became the people's champ and then turned heeled again. I mean, I I've literally said this off camera. Trick is this generation's rock. He just doesn't do the whenever he gets to the the ramp, and you know he's that's all he don't he don't do that. He just don't do that, he doesn't hit the rope and doesn't smell. He literally has that same aura when his music hits, he hits that ramp and he pauses and he just looks into the audience. It's the same feeling to me. It feels that way. You see the crowd going, whoa, dad, it's the whole fucking arena, it's not one or two people, it's it's the whole goddamn arena. The rock didn't have a thing in his music where the audience did that, but trick does. And the fact of the matter is trick is a heel, and everybody in the arena does that better than the ye.

SPEAKER_00: 1:07:59

It's all to me almost more important than the ye. The whoop that trick chant is way better than the ye.

SPEAKER_02: 1:08:09

It's way better. And like I just like I said, like just watching him go to the arena, just going into the ring on SmackDown and the smoke. Bro, like the aura is ridiculous. You get you you can you can do anything with this man right now. Anything. And the fans will be honest. Don't fuck it up though. But he star is a he's a supernova of a star.

SPEAKER_01: 1:08:38

He is a supernova of a star in a galaxy that are filled with other stars. Well, I won't even say dying stars.

SPEAKER_02: 1:08:48

The only reason why I say dying stars, because the gas, if you think the gas is dying and it's not as bright as other stars, that's a dying star. I mean, yeah, no, I know, I I know that part. Okay, okay. But I didn't know if you meant like if I was just talking down about people.

SPEAKER_01: 1:09:04

No, no, no, no, no, no, no. No, I no, I get that piece. But it's like, I don't, I don't know if I would say he's like a dying star. It's more no or or he's like, you know, like around dying stars. Like around dying stars. It's he's more so someone, it's like him being like the brightest star in the sky, but he doesn't have a strong enough gravitational pool right now to have a bunch of planets surrounding him, type situation or something. Like it's one of those deals where it's like there are older stars that are present that just have a better gravitational pull. Where though he is super bright right now, like these other stars are more important that that are that are in the cluster of stars that he's around. Like, he like almost actually to fully put on that is like he is that really bright star, but he has no planets that are that are that are going around it. Therefore, because there are no planets over there, cool, it's just a bright star. All right, next, and I don't want that for him. I he and it he does not deserve that. We need to put our focus on this star.

SPEAKER_02: 1:10:31

Do you think he should go immediately for the biggest title? Do you think he needs something like the intercontinental title?

SPEAKER_01: 1:10:37

100%. He needs to go for the big one. Okay. For me, when it comes to someone like this, especially where he came from and where he's going. When you look at what he just got done doing, he was the TNA champion. Before he was the TNA champion, he was the NXT champion. All right. Okay. He he was he's held a belt for another company for NXT. He just dropped those. And the last thing that he was doing was fight for for those belts over there, and now he has come on to over this side. He would actually be the first wrestler to do that, by the way.

SPEAKER_02: 1:11:18

What? TNA, NXT, and WWE title? Yeah, that's about right.

SPEAKER_00: 1:11:23

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02: 1:11:24

Maybe he'll be making history.

SPEAKER_01: 1:11:26

Yeah, you're right. The only other people that came from TNA, they either didn't go to NXT or they never got the WWE title.

SPEAKER_02: 1:11:35

Yeah. And so Interesting. Yeah, very interesting. But uh, but here's the thing with a situation like that, because whereas he is a supernova, so is over Pimmy. And so whenever he finally goes over there, how do we have these two supernova stars in a situation? But Uber has to go to Raw. Exactly. But the thing about it is we have a Braun Breaker on Raw. And you already have somebody you're trying to make red out over there, which they should have pulled the trigger on Braun earlier. Because if you're gonna push Uber at some point, but Oba, uh, if you're gonna push him at some point, now we got a braun breaker we want to see get pushed, you're gonna push Oba to the back of the line and do that same situation. So WWE has this tendency of not pulling the trigger on when a person's ran hot, and okay, yeah, they had that moment of in the sun, but at least we got to see it and see the potential of what they become. Okay, you bring in somebody else in new, cool. Now that he's had this moment, if he holds the belt and then now we have a title match between the two, it's more believable compared to oh, Braun just keeps losing and losing, losing after every big match, and then open family gets the belt, and you're like, oh, you wanna put a match between each other, they're both red hot, and you're gonna make Braun win. That will piss everyone off. So I I don't know, but I do will I will agree when it comes to Trit. You either do it now or you don't do it at all.

SPEAKER_00: 1:13:08

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01: 1:13:09

And talk about Saturday Night Main Event.

SPEAKER_02: 1:13:13

But that's all you that's all you want to talk about, what's Mana? You know?

SPEAKER_01: 1:13:16

So here's the thing when it comes to the only things because I I want to talk about Saturday, I want to give Saturday Night Main Event its props and its spotlight, because for all intents and purposes, I'm gonna be real with you, AEW is they're not doing the thing. Like I I feel as if that I almost feel like I need to do like just my own random, just standalone video just just to get my shit out about AEW. I would, I would actually second, because AEW is just doing so much weird shit where it's like when you have that moment where you think, like, alright, so maybe they're gonna oh that's what they're doing. It gets to a point where you have to just kind of be like, you know what? Maybe I should just let it go and just fucking accept it, no matter how stupid it sounds, no matter how stupid it looks. Now, I will at least say for TNA, because after their kind of crap show that I thought was a good try, but after the pay-per-view, it was like, ah, alright, I was not great. But now their second live show on this new channel, it's like I feel as if that is night and this should have been their first episode.

SPEAKER_02: 1:14:43

Ash by alleging is coming back, bro. I was like, oh snap, is she cleared?

SPEAKER_01: 1:14:46

This should have been their first episode because they did, number one, they displayed a little bit more of their talent, they got a lot more people on the TV. Number two, they kind of created, started, and pushed forward some story. Number three, they did something that makes you now want to and have to tune in to see what's going to happen next week. Are you talking about Trey?

SPEAKER_02: 1:15:18

Not just Trey. The Feast of Fire. The Feast of Fire. Oh, I feel like, and this is what I I don't know if I told you this. I feel like this is gonna be the most bullshit thing because you gotta remember, everybody that got a briefcase wanted will be firing you. What if Trey gets the one that says you're fired?

SPEAKER_01: 1:15:35

That would be cinema. That would be cinema. Especially with how he showed up and then they took a brief moment to be all like, we just wanna say that we are so glad to have Trey re-sign with us here on TNA on A E. I'm like, okay, all right. Rub that salt in the wound, buddy. Fuck AEW for trying to take what was yours, and then yeah, no, no, no, no. I like that paid shit. That paid shit I'm fucking with. I'm fucking with that.

SPEAKER_02: 1:16:09

So he opens that briefcase. Damn. Oh, you fire.

SPEAKER_01: 1:16:15

I'd be for it. I'd be absolutely I would be absolutely for it just because of all the BS that happened with the whole, you know, the the things that he said up teen years ago uh and that he apologized for coming back to light and costing him his bag and and then him being like, oh, I'm gonna step away from wrestling. I gotta get do mental health stuff just for him, like a couple of days later. Psych, I'm here because fuck them. It's it's fantastic.

SPEAKER_02: 1:16:48

I feel like that would be a better way of explaining why he's taking a break from wrestling because he's fired, even though technically him being fired from AEW would have been perfectly fine. You know what? This don't make no fucking sense if he does do it. Because like everybody else that got in the briefcase, yeah, their talent you should definitely keep around. Like Shane and and other people. So I was like, yeah, the only one that makes sense if you get fired is Trey. Really don't make sense for the other people. I'd be kind of fucked up. Because they're actually talent a part of stories, to my knowledge. Kinda. Yeah. Maybe. I mean, it will be. What if they say what if they say it's not really fired or you're like suspended or some shit? I don't know. Anyway.

SPEAKER_01: 1:17:34

No, no, no. They gotta hold true to their word now. We'll see, nigga. They gotta, they gotta, you know. But of course, you know, what's him getting fired and coming back with a lucha mask on or some crazy shit? Or just so he can get the the naysayers off of him.

SPEAKER_02: 1:17:47

Or he comes back and suicide!

SPEAKER_01: 1:17:52

Comes back and he gets, you know, he gets somehow he gets uh he gets brought back to be on like like order four or some crazy shit. Here's the issue with that. Oh, and then I will also say, because this also goes into the fact of why I was like, this episode of Tina is where it was, is the fact that we get the betrayal and and and them kicking Moose out of uh the That low-key pissed me off, but I know why.

SPEAKER_02: 1:18:17

Moose need to be in the top. Like he needs to be doing something else besides sitting with the system. Absolutely.

SPEAKER_01: 1:18:24

Yes, that's that's correct. That's that was all that was necessary. And I also was now grant, when they said like when when when when uh JDC picked this other dude, he came out there. I'm like, who is this fucking greasy ass motherfucker coming out to the ring? And then the then everything, I'm like, ah, that's why this greasy ass motherfucker's coming out to the ring. For the betrayal spot. And the way that that ended, I'm like, ah, bet. Yes. Now I feel like I need to watch some fucking TNA. And that's what they needed. Now, to go ahead.

SPEAKER_02: 1:19:01

Which is fine. Yeah, which is fine. But then here's the thing, though, like you you need more credible people to go against Mike Santana. And Moose is a very credible person, but if you make him a babyface now, he's gonna be doing the system shit for a while.

SPEAKER_01: 1:19:14

So, like, yeah, no, he's got once he by the by the time he finishes this whole stuff with the system, once all by the time all that's finished up, Santana will have gotten to where he needs to be. And maybe there will also be some other established wrestlers to kind of sort of be put into a spot where because it's not like that you can't have babyface versus babyface. It's just you have to do it the right way because they want to be champions. So it can be done. It's just getting it done correctly and sell making it sellable. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02: 1:19:50

What makes you say, Hey, uh, I want to root for both of these people or root for your particular person.

SPEAKER_01: 1:19:56

But uh, but yeah, like I that that's really.

SPEAKER_02: 1:20:00

the only big thing that I wanted to really touch up with with T and A on that particular because like those particular things were like ah all right that's that's not number two in the that's not number two promotion in the world but these are the right baby steps you got till June but Saturday night's main event and to be honest there's not really a lot to talk about with Saturday night's main event there isn't now I will say the matches did yeah you're really you really want to harp on that just the bell did not ring this guy he like I feel it this feels like you're wanting to be petty just for the pettiness no I just like fucking I just like fucking around just just because it's like it's funny because I'm I remember watching it this morning because I didn't watch it and it happened live I watched it this morning and I'm like okay technically they were both in the ring at points and bells have rang before as both people were in the ring kicking each other's ass. It's happened they don't always have to be like are you ready? Are you ready? No the bell normally fucking just rings once both competitors are there and they both are insane mind okay so why didn't you do it here?

SPEAKER_01: 1:21:20

Good because both were definitely not in sane mind. They were but that that's but then also you added security one maybe the other one extremely debatable.

SPEAKER_02: 1:21:31

Facts but like then at that case no match that can that nigga can't do no match but uh this situation it was it was made for that and because they could have totally had a regular match that all of a sudden security comes out there and it makes it messed up did you see how almost uh J Cafatu fucked up his whole situation and then miss Cody and then uh Cody had to to fix it on the fly yeah yes that shit was hilarious but it was it was like damn all right because it was like bounce bounce I was like oh you didn't need to do all them bounces. Okay Christopher Dales appreciates the fact that your finisher is his finisher which is also Tiffany's finisher which I don't know how we have two people with the same finisher in the company. Guy and girl is fine they're not gonna pense each other yeah but two but just yeah anyway um but it it's a thing and um it was a good it was a good situation of a match technically I did like the backstage situation you know concession stand and all that kind of stuff leading up to Drew coming out there and power bombing jackknife power bombing by the way because he as we all know jackknife throw that bitch you you don't not come down with him throw that bitch so that whole situation was fun I had a good time with it uh it does elevate the story which that was a cool thing too so I just kind of feel like unless the rumble is all three of them in a match which I doubt um because technically no the the winner of this match goes against Drew at May uh the I mean yeah the rumble no no no no no that's that's not how that goes the person that won the match the last match of that night oh you're talking I thought you were talking about with okay yeah that correct yeah um but I I do feel like this elevated the story we just don't need to see Cody do you feel like Cody needs to come back next week or do you feel like he needs a week off no he has to well he has to come well rumble yeah he has to be at rumble but what I'm saying is like that really kind of fucks that situation for him to show up and to sell the situation I really feel like doing this he can't be on SmackDown he has to sell what the fuck just happened to him or he's gonna beat it on SmackDown as if nothing fucking happened.

SPEAKER_01: 1:23:58

I mean so see that that's how you know you've been watching some shitty wrestling and you forget shit that happened in the past you can get your ass beat and you can still show up and sell and be bandaged up but he's not gonna do that. Well then then then that's that's then that's just him fucking up the sell. Yeah but what I'm saying is because to I'm just answering a question of can you sell it can it be sold? Yeah the answer is yes because Hunter did it should he should he not be there or or should he show up the answer is yes he should show up yes he should sell it put a neck brace on wrap your arm up or just come out there shirtless pissed off but you got bandages around your waist yes sell the fuck out of it but also yes please show up actually I feel like it would be really dope of a sell is if he does come with a neck brace and he keeps doctors keep saying your neck your neck your neck and then the rumble happens and you get him his number called or whatever he goes out to the ring he's still wearing the brace and he says fuck this shit and just throws it off and it runs to the ring.

SPEAKER_02: 1:25:12

I feel like that'd be a cool sell.

SPEAKER_01: 1:25:14

I mean yeah that would be great cool sell that would be great he wears the brace everywhere everything and then finally when the match happens this takes off anyway um how did you feel about the the spectacle or the match technically I've it's one of those things like I feel that it's fine however I need to figure out I'm guessing this is just going like how what where is this going to lead because there's a because well because think about it it's it's a triple threat but at that point it's like are we just going to just like dismiss the fact that Sami Zayn is fighting Drew McIntyre and see that's where my problem lies is the fact that Drew McIrthely undermining the whole Sami Zayn situation. And Sammy's not wearing the belt but it's it's one of those situations where remember how we said the first person they have to defend defend against you don't want to be that person isn't Sammy going to be his first defense sure but what I see possibly going on especially since the way that this all went down which is kind of interesting is the fact that Dramagitar is going to have this match now I don't remember if they said it well so far as of right now Cody and Jacob have not said that they're going to be in the Royal Rumble or any of the Cody said he did. Oh he did yeah he said on Smackdown.

SPEAKER_00: 1:26:44

Did he?

SPEAKER_01: 1:26:44

He said I'm going to be in the rumble okay okay I I just didn't remember that yeah it was even on the card thing dude the flashing car when they were showing off the Royal Rumble he was one of the people on there uh yeah well I didn't see him I'll be honest with you I I guess I I was too busy laughing at the fact of like because I see four people sure but then on the females ones like wait why is there only three on this one? Yeah whatever but but it's one of those things where it's because they're they got they're doing I feel like they got a lot of irons in the fire on SmackDown with this and I just hope nothing gets lost in translation and shit don't fall flat.

SPEAKER_02: 1:27:29

My thing about the situation of any opponent like they've been like the audience has been fighting for Drew to be a champion for a very long time now and the audience has finally got that and so for them to give him another short ring in him losing to Sammy, what stories is Sammy going to tell right now if he won that belt? Right? And then what kind of situation will you put Drew in if he wins that belt? So like yes it undermines Sammy's win at that night but like now in your brain if you're looking at Drew and you can put asses in seats with Drew and also understand that Drew really needed that belt at that match where he needed to win that match. Him losing to Sammy doesn't make sense I don't see it making sense do you see him losing to Sammy make sense?

SPEAKER_01: 1:28:21

So here's where I stand with it. And it's one of those things where on on the surface no I don't see him losing to Sammy but him winning or losing to Sammy isn't my problem it's just from the story aspect of you know Drew came out there and he for all intents and purposes fucked up the match between Cody and Jacob. He came out there and he beat both of them down all right and then he does come back out there and tries to screw up you know screw with you know screw with Sammy at the end of the match but you know Sammy gets his get back and stops him type situation. Okay cool. Because of the fact that now Cody and Jacob have this unresolved tension situation and they're both trying to get this belt it's one of those things where I'm like are Jacob and Cody just going to now ignore the fact that Drew did what he did? Oh no this is going to lead to mania all three of them. But and but see and and that's where but then you saying that is the reason why it's all like wow if with because of how you said that it's like man so you're telling me the fact that that's the main story y'all are just actually wasting my time with Sammy Zayn. Yes and that but the and my problem is the fact that I hate the fact that that is a situation. No I get it because it makes it undermines Sammy again. And it's like I I don't like the fact that this undermines Sammy's match because then it makes it completely unimportant and as of right now I mean granted we still got Smackdown so we have to see are they going to do anything to make us really care now.

SPEAKER_02: 1:30:30

I'm calling it right now Mania is Braun versus Punk and the other belt Drew versus Cody and Fatto I'm calling it out I only see that as the program of mania for the titles because you again Braun either has to win mania or the chamber I don't see the chamber and damn that's really like I will say as a fan it does make it tough to the chamber is also supposed to be a match that gives you an opportunity to go for the belt. So a part of me wants to say that Braun wins uh the Rumble Cody wins the chamber but uh the situation where Fa2 keeps getting involved and it leads into a match with that because that's the only program I see I don't see another program where Drew goes against anybody else but Cody and maybe FA2 is a part of it in some way shape or form but that's the that's the mania match like can you tell me a better can you tell me a story that from now till mania we gotta care about besides Drew and Cody and Braun and CM Punk. Tell me another one um well as far as the Braun and CM Punk one Seth Rollins uh yeah but we're not getting that this quick unless he unless he shows if he shows at the rumble then I'm I'm right there with you I'm right there with you but it's funny because like he don't even have to show up at the rumble because you also have to remember sure he could win the chamber yeah exactly yeah exactly with that then be two triple threats who said it had to be a triple threat braun has to go to mania for that belt bro if you don't be braun going up against uh uh um Seth Rollins then what happens to CM Punk CM Punk he loses but okay but okay so what I'm saying in a mania standpoint where will where will CM Punk stand?

SPEAKER_01: 1:32:36

Now we're seeing unless it's Chris Jericho versus CM Punk there that actually could work there so that could be a situation because going into all of this there has to be something that's going to fuck CM Punk up that's what I'm saying yeah kind of thing uh you know outside of if he because because here's the see here's the thing with that I don't feel like they're gonna have enough time I mean I know I know you could technically build because mania is not in April it's in May now right that's news to me I don't be honest I don't know when I think it's for I don't know when it is actually but I feel like it's just like two months of a build to a mania match it it doesn't sell more than the build up of how Punk and Braun have been having this back and forth I just feel like that would be a better mania match well the only for me. The only reason why I feel as if that it doesn't have to be that necessarily I mean granted there is a bit of the like I can understand where you're coming from but CM Punk has also beaten him.

SPEAKER_02: 1:33:51

He has.

SPEAKER_01: 1:33:52

And so in between now Royal Rumble and all this other stuff CM Punk has plenty of things that he could do leading into where he needs to go type situation like you know leading into you know the Royal Rumble. Now you know how you said like the Chris Jericho thing that that could be an option kind of deal.

SPEAKER_02: 1:34:12

Now granted when when it does come to CM Punk I will agree there's not much there's really not much and that's why and that's why my brain I'm I'm literally sitting here thinking about what can be mania possibility matches for certain people like if Jericho is coming back at the Rumble which everybody keeps speculating the only way I see it making sense for like okay say if Braun and Punk don't go against each other hypothetically no matter what Braun has to be in that match he has to be going for that title. He cannot do anything else but that because the way you are promoting and pushing him now he has to go to Mania for that belt. He can't be like oh my mania match is now Seth no or like my mania match is not for the title he's been talking about having the title and for him to say oh fuck the title I'm going against Seth at Mania that just makes him look stupid that no it it would only make him look stupid if they fumble the bag.

SPEAKER_01: 1:35:18

It's not yeah it won't the reasons why is because let's say it's the Royal Rumble. Yeah and Braun is the last guy in the ring and then Seth comes out and Seth comes out there and fucks him and now he has no way of getting to the belt that was his absolute last chance to get to the belt and he could now he needs or and considering we can even say that piece.

SPEAKER_02: 1:35:58

I know where you're going with like them building like Royal Rumble elimination chamber to making that the reason why he's his whole trajectory goes away from the title and on Seth but no I want Braun with the fucking belt that's what I want I'm just giving you what I want but you are right they can do that yeah you can cook with that after you said my brain just okay yeah you do that you do that okay yeah but no we don't do you want that do you want that do I no no I'll I I'll I I don't I don't you just know they can do that yeah but that's but that's a lane it is a lane another lane could be uh well no the the Jericho and Seth lane would not make sense unless you know if they didn't tell you if they didn't tell you who the leader of the vision is and then all of a sudden he became the leader of the vision which to me that would be stupid you couldn't do that but the Jericho thing could work with CM Punk to completely distract him and make him drop the belt to somebody no no no no it has to be okay what you could do what you could do with that if Braun and CM Punk don't go for the belt at Mania Elimination Chamber he wins it.

SPEAKER_01: 1:37:18

So then Seth wins the chamber and then Seth wins the chamber and that makes uh uh um braun versus Seth and CM Punk loses the belt because of Jericho oh yeah yeah now that so that part I was saying the fact that like uh uh CM Punk for whatever reasons if we're if we're trying to squeeze Jericho in here yeah yeah you know CM Punk can get screwed over by Chris Jericho and he loses the belt going into WrestleMania kind of thing. Yeah. Now I can't say with Seth Rollins winning the Elimination Chamber because if Seth Rollins wins the elimination chamber that means he's going to fight for whichever belt whoever the wins the Royal Rumble is going to pick kind of thing.

SPEAKER_02: 1:38:07

So that's what I'm saying. That's why I feel like the Royal Rumble could be anybody else at that point. Yeah Royal Rollin could be anyone else but Seth Rollins but I know but like but like because like it it would not make any sense because again Drew versus anybody else who else my nigga who give me somebody that you think that I could be like I can care about that right now.

SPEAKER_01: 1:38:30

Somebody outside of Cody outside of Cody Sami Zayn that's not a media match unfortunately I didn't say it was but I do say the fact that they got plenty plenty of history to go off of no which is why this that they're having at the Royal Rumble has plenty of okay okay so then how about this?

SPEAKER_02: 1:38:58

All right let's let's go with that right let's go with Drew going against Sammy. Sammy goes against him in that match with the Royal Rumble he loses therefore starting a storyline with him and Sammy but the only thing that really fucks that up is if Drew didn't interfere in that fucking match with Cody and Fatu. If he didn't do that I can't see unless at the Royal Rumble Sammy wins because Cody or Fatou gets involved which honestly that would happen I feel like them interfering would help Drew win.

SPEAKER_01: 1:39:33

So then like and which then gives the reason why Sami Zayn stays in this picture because now he got screwed over at his chance at the time. So then it becomes a four way however what we're also skipping and missing is the fact that that four way does not have to take place at WrestleMania. Elimination chamber it takes place at Elimination.

SPEAKER_02: 1:40:01

Okay, but you're not going, you're going, you're going past the thing I'm telling you before. What is the mania match for Drew? Drew is not losing this belt before mania. It's not happening. Drew will be in mania. Drew will be in mania for that belt. If he's not, tell me a better program. Tell me a better program for Drew.

SPEAKER_01: 1:40:21

Unless it's Cody versus Drew again, but nobody. The better program is Drew is not in the title picture. That's what's good.

SPEAKER_02: 1:40:29

So you don't believe Drew deserves the belt right now?

SPEAKER_01: 1:40:32

I'm not saying Drew does not deserve the belt. I'm just saying Drew McIntyre does not make it to WrestleMania with the title. How about this?

SPEAKER_02: 1:40:40

Since I'm throwing out my speculation and my predictions of what Mania looks like. What are your predictions? What do you think is gonna be this mania's match for the title?

SPEAKER_01: 1:40:50

So that's the even more crazier thing. Because with the way that things are and how convoluted the stories are right now, like I I truly can't say I don't have an opinion of who. I just when I it's one of those things that I don't have my own opinion on who, but when I'm hearing what others say, I'm like, that that doesn't make sense, that that can't happen. Or if you're gonna say that, then you need to put this and also that mix as well. Well, you talk about what I just said, or just other people. Just well, specifically what you say, but in general, because I'll be honest, a lot of people that I'm seeing talking about with WrestleMania has absolutely nothing to do with any of the shit that we've been talking about this week. Really?

SPEAKER_02: 1:41:38

What do they say? Well, besides the Roman thing, Roman wants to have a title match at Mania. That's the only thing I've heard, man.

SPEAKER_01: 1:41:45

Listen, people are talking about Cody Roman III. Yeah. Uh there's people who are talking about they want Cody and Cody and C and Punk to face off for a title. Like that type shit. Okay, so just dumb shit.

SPEAKER_02: 1:42:01

Yes. Okay, but at least mine at least somewhat makes sense.

SPEAKER_01: 1:42:05

No, no, no. Yours does make sense. It's just the fact that there are these other sides, especially with what we saw at Saturday night's main event, there's just these different lanes that have to be taken into account. And unfortunately, specifically for the WWE title, it's really foggy to see who actually who is going to make it to WrestleMania with the belt step. So it's like, I don't know.

SPEAKER_02: 1:42:35

Just going off of Triple H's booking for years, that's what it is. I I just I just don't see anything else because Hunter doesn't like to pull the trigger on things. He doesn't. I mean, that much we know. He doesn't. He has no. That's why I feel what I feel. Punk still goes to Mania with the title. Hopefully, he gets the true mania main event that he'd been wanting. And hopefully they do that match on night two, because Braun winning and closing the show is how Mania should end. Is a new the true new era, not the shit that he said when he was on live and and everybody was booing him. The true era starts when Braun wins that belt.

SPEAKER_01: 1:43:24

But my but the thing is, there's like just go because once again, like I I literally have like no stock in idea of what can happen with WrestleMania.

SPEAKER_02: 1:43:36

You're just floating right now.

SPEAKER_01: 1:43:38

I'm I'm literally floating.

SPEAKER_02: 1:43:39

Yeah. Okay, but how about this? Rather than just floating on like a speculation, tell me what would you want to see? What would you want to see in the current product of what we have right now? Don't include Ubafemi, because obviously he's not in anything right now. From what we have in current roster situation, who would you want to go for the world heavyweight title or the universal title? Who would you want?

SPEAKER_01: 1:44:08

So for the world heavyweight title, when I look at the title scene, right? I because I think ultimately, even though there are there are things that I feel can happen where CM Punk goes to WrestleMania without the belt, I do think truthfully, it's cycling back to Braunbreaker and CM Punk isn't bad. Okay. It's really good. However, because I know Seth Rollins is a thing, it's either Seth Rollins cost his braunbreaker his chance at the title early, or at WrestleMania, Braun Breaker does not get the title because Seth Rollins comes back.

SPEAKER_02: 1:45:12

At Mania, in that moment where Seth is fucking it up, he cursed off Punk and hand and causes him the match, handing Braun the belt, and this is the biggest fuck you to Punk. And saying he is actually the vision that I was doing. And him doing that, that was just a plot and a scheme way back just to fuck with you to win the belt. That's a discolarium. Just a really wild one though.

SPEAKER_04: 1:45:43

No.

SPEAKER_01: 1:45:46

If we could do something like that, that would shake shit up, then that would be wrestling cinema. Alright. Or even if he does not want to say the fact that, you know, Braun is the vision. Remember a little thing that Seth Rollins was saying before he got injured? He said, as long as I am here, as long as I am breathing CM Punk, you will not win and hold that title.

SPEAKER_02: 1:46:27

That shit right there. Now even if it's a person I don't fuck with. Yes.

SPEAKER_01: 1:46:33

If we could get that or the other one that you said, that in itself.

SPEAKER_02: 1:46:41

Cinema. Cinema. Cinema. I will be like, and you know what? Turn off. That's all I need.

SPEAKER_01: 1:46:49

That's all I would need. I'm good. I can go. That is all I would need. Now going for the WWE title and then not to hold it too long here. But when it comes to that WWE title, the WWE title is a whole lot harder. Uh for all intents of purposes. I would love for Drew to hold on to that belt going in to WrestleMania. But when it comes to the road that he is paving for himself, I don't know how that happens.

SPEAKER_02: 1:47:36

Is it kind of like he's on a double-edged sword type shit? Like he's causing so much chaos that's just a good thing.

SPEAKER_01: 1:47:41

He's causing so much chaos for himself. And it's one of those things that because he's causing so much chaos for himself, and it's not even fucking goddamn Royal Rumble yet, because he's going into this Royal Rumble where he has two people who are pissed off at him for the title. And then and now he's got Sami Zayn. And I feel the two people who he pissed off that have been fighting him, that are fight that want to get his title, they're going to be a problem in Sami Zayn's match. And that's going to cause Sami Zayn to not get what he needs. Exactly. Kind of deal. And so because of that piece, whoever wins the Royal Rumble, they do that. But then I feel that there is a whole situation that needs to be taken care of at the Elimination Chamber. Once that gets taken care of, which could be that four-way match, it's like, all right, cool. So, but then that then leads to what happens with the person who wins the elimination chamber, and what happens to the person that wins the Royal Rumble? And that's where things get really confusing for me. Because sure, if we say, like, let's say they do let Braun Breaker win the Royal Rumble, who fights in the Elimination Chamber? Because whoever's fighting in the Elimination Chamber, they're going for the WWE title kind of deal. Cody and Fatou.

SPEAKER_02: 1:49:18

But then they're going to be in there and it's going to be some. But see, the problem is they can't be in there. Or to me, I feel like we're going to get rewarded with bad behavior. Because this is a thing you would never, you I would never let you live down. Cody went. Fatou geeks getting interference and this, this, and that. And therefore, not Adam Pierce is Nick, Nigel McGuinness. It's going to be like, man, fuck him. Tired of it. Mania.

SPEAKER_01: 1:49:46

It's all three of you fuckers. It's not Nigel McGinnis, but I know it should be. Oh, not Nigel McGinnis.

SPEAKER_02: 1:49:52

No, Nick Aldous. Excuse me. Nick Aldous. But still, I feel like that's the rewarding bad behavior bullshit that we normally get.

SPEAKER_01: 1:50:01

I'm not going to lie, that that pisses me off a lot.

SPEAKER_02: 1:50:04

Because you know they'll do it.

SPEAKER_01: 1:50:05

But but my piece is the fact that like the people who we've been talking about right now, like the uh Drew McIntyre, Cody Rhodes, Jacob, and Sami Zayn, right? Those four. My problem is the fact that those four are not going to be the elimination chamber. They're going to fight each other at the elimination chamber, but not in the chamber. So I don't know who's going to the chamber to hold on.

SPEAKER_00: 1:50:38

It just clicked. Those four fight at the elimination chamber.

SPEAKER_01: 1:50:46

Cody Rhodes gets the belt back. Who's winning the elimination chamber? Andrew McIntyre? No. Randy Orton, bro.

SPEAKER_02: 1:50:56

They're not. Ah no, no, no, no, no, they're not doing it. So you say mania is gonna be Cody and Orton?

SPEAKER_01: 1:51:01

They've been quietly building this for the last year, brother. Stop me when I'm telling lies. You're not. Look back.

SPEAKER_02: 1:51:11

You're not, but I just I feel like You saw how Randy Orton missed his chance.

SPEAKER_01: 1:51:17

He's gonna miss his chance since the Royal Rumble.

SPEAKER_02: 1:51:19

So you're saying Mania will be Drew and Fat 2 instead?

SPEAKER_01: 1:51:23

No, no, I'm saying Mania is going to be Randy Orton and Cody Rhodes for the WWE title.

SPEAKER_02: 1:51:31

What happens to Drew and Fatou?

SPEAKER_01: 1:51:33

Uh Drew McIntyre and Fat 2? Um Mania Mac? Sure. They're just gonna have a match.

SPEAKER_02: 1:51:39

They can have a match, they can fall to the wayside, they kick rocks. Yeah, but they're not going, they're not gonna be in title pictures.

SPEAKER_01: 1:51:46

Not at all. No title picture for them.

SPEAKER_02: 1:51:48

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01: 1:51:49

Because Randy Orton and Cody Rhodes are gonna do the thing.

SPEAKER_02: 1:51:53

Okay, so you think it's Cody Rhodes and Randy is there? I mean, yeah, you could do that because they definitely can make a video package of that of every time you've been looking at the bell. Yep.

SPEAKER_00: 1:52:03

It's there.

SPEAKER_02: 1:52:04

It's definitely there. It's definitely there. But Randy has to go full heel.

SPEAKER_01: 1:52:09

Oh yeah. No, he has to do that because the last time he was in the match with him, he hesitated, didn't kick him in the head, and he lost the match. So Randy Orton, he's gotta go. Full viper.

SPEAKER_02: 1:52:21

Full viper. And you gotta, and you gotta do it in such a short time, though. But that's okay, though. That would be okay. A fast dosage of injection of the venom, and him doing just wild outlandish things. Maybe even coming to the house and beating them up since they're okay with going to people's houses again. Doing shit like that. And you give us all that before manier, building up the match. But here's the issue. You cannot make it a normal match if you do do that, though. It has to be some kind of stipulation.

SPEAKER_01: 1:52:53

That much is fair. I I I also can agree with the fact that there has to be like some, like it's gotta be like a real, like, cause because like I said, Randy Orton has to go to that place. Yep. Randy Orton has to go to that place when he goes up against Cody this time. And uh and last man's thing. Maybe.

SPEAKER_02: 1:53:12

I feel like that would be very fitting.

SPEAKER_01: 1:53:14

That would be decent. Yeah. That wouldn't that that wouldn't be terrible.

SPEAKER_02: 1:53:18

Um but still cage. Have Queen's the last thing you know is Still Cage and Mania.

SPEAKER_01: 1:53:23

At WrestleMania? Who knows?

SPEAKER_00: 1:53:25

Damn. But I don't think I've ever seen a Still Cage match of Mania. Except the hell in a cell.

SPEAKER_01: 1:53:32

That that part. But yeah, I feel but I feel that's that's that's where my head's at. Because like now that finally clicked to me, Randy Orton's the secret sauce. So yeah.

SPEAKER_02: 1:53:47

Okay.

SPEAKER_01: 1:53:48

That's a bit.

SPEAKER_02: 1:53:49

So uh we do apologize for kind of just having a really hype moment as wrestling fans, but we definitely do need to talk about these other two matches at Saturday Night's Main Event because they were definitely good. Uh AJ Styles versus Nakamura, match of the fucking night. Easy. Match of the fucking night. And it was actually just as good as their New Japan match.

SPEAKER_01: 1:54:12

Just as good. I like the, I guess, the whole homage to, I guess, the fact that the last time they fought when they were at New Japan, he wore a mask for whatever.

SPEAKER_02: 1:54:19

They actually wore the same gear, I think. Interesting. I think. I know Nakamura wearing his old gear was great.

SPEAKER_01: 1:54:25

I feel like it's one of those I can appreciate this match and how it came about. And that's the one thing that I will that I want to give to Saturday Night Main event is the fact that this is probably the first Saturday Night Main event where all the matches kind of felt like a main event. Like all these were main event matches, and all of these to a degree were main event level matches. But the other thing is, though, because it is Saturday Night Main event, there's not a whole lot of story progressing out of these matches outside of the first thing with Cody Rhodes and all of them. Wow.

SPEAKER_02: 1:55:03

So technically, besides the Hell in a Cell match that was the end of the era and the Undertaker Hell in a Cell match, there's actually only ever been one, I'll have two, one Steel Cage match, WrestleMania two. King Kong Bundy versus uh Hogan.

unknown: 1:55:23

Huh?

SPEAKER_00: 1:55:23

Well look at there. Interesting.

SPEAKER_02: 1:55:26

Yeah. Which I could have sworn two, was it three where Hogan went against Andre? Yes. Okay, so then two. Okay, I could have sworn that was two. Sorry.

SPEAKER_01: 1:55:36

Um Yeah, no, Hulk Hogan was still on his rise at that point, and then Andre put him over on the city.

SPEAKER_02: 1:55:43

Every other cage match that happened at Mania was like a hell in a cell. Because I think at Mania it wasn't Finn versus Edge, or that was that somewhere else? That was somewhere else. Okay, I could have sworn that was Mania. But anyway, um uh every other cage match that has been at Mania has always been a hell in a cell.

SPEAKER_01: 1:56:00

Okay. Which makes sense because hell in a cell is a main event, last straw, we're ending this feud here kind of match. So it's it checks.

SPEAKER_02: 1:56:15

The the the the the what's the match with the leather strap and strap together type shit? When his Cody Rhodes dad. Tell the bull rope match, Texas bullrope match? Yeah. For what? If it that could be one of the matches if you're gonna have them go like full crazy.

SPEAKER_01: 1:56:34

I don't know. For him as him, Texas bull rope match between Randy Orton and Cody Rhodes. I don't know if it's gonna get that personal that quickly. Like, I I honest don't know if it's going to even get personal like that. If if you're talking about Randy has to go full tilt, like complete heel, it has to get that person. I don't, but I don't know. Maybe, but I also feel as if we did a bull rope match like too recently, didn't we?

SPEAKER_02: 1:57:01

Like I no, actually, I think the last one was like 2024. It definitely didn't happen last year, I don't believe so. Oh, okay. Well, I mean maybe it's it it I think it happened in AEW. Yeah, you're probably right. I think it was something in AEW's where it happened, and it is kind of fresh on the mind still. Either way, uh I think we both can agree it cannot be a regular match. It just cannot. Um, it would have to be some kind of stipulation.

SPEAKER_01: 1:57:31

Yes, because it also the reason why it also has to really be at this because of the fact that they did already run that last, well, yeah, they ran that match last year. They fought each other once already. Or was it last year? It was the other, no, I think it was two years ago. Yeah, they fought, they faced each other at Mania? Not mania. I'm just saying they've faced each other. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. They've had a match with each other recently. But Randy wasn't healing any of the situations. This is true, but that's that's the thing that I'm getting at, though. Because like the last time that they fought, Randy Orton held back and he didn't punt, kick them, and all this other stuff. Yeah, yeah, that was the figurine. Okay, so like, so they've had a match.

SPEAKER_02: 1:58:12

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01: 1:58:13

So this is their in this particular you know conjunction, this is now going to be the second time that they're gonna be facing each other. And usually, whenever you have something like this, once that second match comes in, there's a stip, there needs, there has to be kind of some kind of stipulation. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And so that's that what I was saying is the fact that it makes sense why there needs to be a stipulation.

SPEAKER_04: 1:58:34

What stipulation is, I don't know. And so that's my timer.

SPEAKER_02: 1:58:39

Oh, right. Okay. Well, uh, let's kind of wrap things up by saying yes, Nakamura and uh uh uh uh your boy, if you need if you need to step away and do your thing. Um if Nakamura and AJ Styles was obviously match of the night, uh Rio versus you know Judgment Day, uh was a it was an okay match. It was um it was some nice spots in there, but it's definitely a decent match. Uh overall, this this crazy week or wacky week of wrestling has been pretty dang good. I would say at least we unfortunately wasn't able to get to New Japan because we got really in depth with some of the speculation and or hype as fans. But um, guys, let us know what you think about Mania. What do you think would be decent on the card? What do you think would be the Mania match? Do you think it's Braun versus CM Punk? Do you think is Drew versus CM Punk? Do you think it's Drew versus Cody and Fat 2? What do you think that match is, especially also hearing uh Swag's uh opportunity of Cody versus Randy? What do you guys think Mania is going to lead up to after the Royal Rumble and the Elimination Trader? Put it down in the comments. We would love to hear your opinions as well. Uh, but as always, please hit excuse me, show slam that like button, tombstone.

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You talking about that?

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Oh yeah yes.

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I need to watch that one. I remember that one. Bro it's it's it's it the one where his legs are like this Bro it's bro it is it's warm. I don't remember that now yo that's crazy.

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As a matter of fact it was so rough like Undertaker literally said like he went backstage and Coco Beware was ready to fight him bro like like him like Undertaker literally said the fact that like I was like he he was like Coco Bear was fussing out so much taker's like do we have to go into the showers and handle it? Because if we need to then sure my bad but like damn chill the fucking up I need to go look at this again anyway thank you so much for watching guys until next time we'll be back here next week with more destruction see you soon