Wrestling is so Predictable right now

The best wrestling makes you lean forward, not because of a move, but because the next beat feels dangerous. We dive headfirst into that idea, starting with New Japan’s New Beginning and a New Japan Cup that finally lets tag specialists show their singles teeth. Andrade looked like a world-beater while Suji stacked belts, yet the orbit around him still needs heat. House of Torture’s chaos hits because it’s character-first, but repetition without consequence numbs the pop. We lay out how to turn that noise into money matches.

We also tackle AEW’s tricky role as a star magnet for New Japan talent. If a debut shows up cold to a new audience, the walkout pop dies before the bell. The fix isn’t fewer crossovers it’s better context. Tell us who they are, why they’re here, and who they want to hurt. Without the why, even the coolest run-ins feel disposable. Meanwhile, everyone keeps asking where the stars are. They’re right there; stardom is a booking choice. Put wrestlers in situations with a real cost and fans will do the rest.

On the WWE side, the WrestleMania card looks massive and somehow muted. Cody vs Randy needs history that bites, not just a package. Punk vs Roman only works if promos give way to fists. Rhea vs Jade can be electric if Jade’s aura is protected and Rhea’s range is weaponized. The crowd doesn’t hate predictability; they hate safe. Give us a left turn that still makes sense the next morning and you’ll feel the needle move.

Then there’s NXT, quietly running a show that feels like a real pay-per-view: tight pacing, promos that seed future matches, Underground rules that actually fit the fighters, and a champion who can be a meme and still bring main-event intensity. That’s the blueprint—character up front, craft underneath, and consequences that carry week to week.

Hit play for sharp takes, booking fixes, and a throughline that never changes: make us care, pay it off, and raise the stakes again. If you vibe with the conversation, subscribe, share with a friend, and drop your boldest swerve idea in a review we’ll read our favorites on the show.

Transcript

New Set, Same Mission

SPEAKER_03 0:09

Welcome to another episode of the Big Brothers of Destruction podcast. It's the Mazaku.

SPEAKER_02 0:15

And it's your boy, Swag Switcher in the building.

SPEAKER_03 0:18

And uh new location, new opportunities, man. We here in the uh as uh Swag doesn't want to call it. Bro, don't even don't even be like Swag.

SPEAKER_02 0:29

Listen. We are on the lookout for what we want to call the true Discus Lariat Lounge. You know what I'm saying? There are there's been several stops that are going to be on that journey to finding the real disc Lariat Lounge. This is not the discot lariat lounge. The boiler room, maybe? This is more attuned to possibly a boiler room setting than anywhere else.

SPEAKER_03 1:02

Alright, alright, we'll go with that. We'll go with that.

SPEAKER_02 1:05

But although it's also without the boiler room. This is the, I mean, for all intents and purposes, this is the soundbox.

New Japan Check-In

SPEAKER_03 1:11

Yeah, this is the soundbox. I ain't gonna lie. It's a nice setup, but we're here today to talk about this world of wrestling as usual. And there's a couple of things that have been going on in this world. We got uh New Japan's new beginning, New Japan New Cup, and uh we've even had an NXT Vengeance Day that is setting up for Stand and Deliver. And uh outside of the normal stuff of Raw and SmackDown, I would love to hear what is your thoughts about New Japan going on so far. Um so the pay-per-view was okay.

AEW Talent Drain And David Finley

SPEAKER_02 1:47

I will say Andrade going up against the Gene Blaster himself was a fantastic match. Um, but I'll be honest, uh outside of that, uh I didn't really the paper that that paper, it was okay. Like it wasn't, and I think that's the current problem with New Japan right now, is just the fact like there are certain points where I can understand, and I uh I almost agree with him on the fact that you know their reliance on AEW so heavily right now is a I won't say it's a problem, but it's a fucking crutch. And it's like cause like it because it's a crutch in the sense that unlike WWE, they're kind of sort of being a little nonchalant about it, but like AEW is being very belligerently blunt with the whole like, hey, we like your New Japan talent. Uh, I'm gonna take them. I'm gonna take them too. I'm gonna take them and I'm gonna take that one, and I'm gonna take that one, I'm gonna pay them more so that they won't want to come back. David Finley, all right, had his last match at New Japan at that pay-per-view. And then considering now that I've I technically I watched it out of order originally, because I watched AEW before I watched that pay-per-view. So I was like, so he has that match, right? And like, who he fought goddamn uh Darren Young. He is goes by another name. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So I'm like, so he didn't even really, he didn't even fight like a new Japan talent on the way out. He didn't put over a new Japan talent on the way out or uh in any kind of way. Just for all intents and purposes, no offense to Darren Young, but and I won't even I won't call it a jobber match, but like it was a match that meant nothing, did nothing, and on his way out, he said nothing.

SPEAKER_03 3:50

Literally, like there was a point where he was gonna grab the mic and he was gonna say something and he just threw it up.

SPEAKER_02 3:54

And I was like, And then now that I have that, gives extra context to when he shows up on AEW with the dogs. Fucking I like David Finley, all right. Let's let me not get that twisted.

SPEAKER_03 4:14

I fucks with The Savage King.

SPEAKER_02 4:16

All right, in the little bit of time that I've watched him through New Japan, I'm like, I like this guy. He impressed me during the whole, you know, tag team situation. But now I don't give a fuck. And then not only do I not give a fuck, but like, if you heard when he showed up at AEW, no one gave a fuck. You know why no one gave a fuck? Because not everyone on this side of the world watches New Japan. This guy, David Finley, shows up to a, for all intents and purposes, a foreign crowd, gets no pop, jumps Darby Allen and and and Mr. Orange himself, freshly squeezed, and and now he's with Dave Kidd and the other long-haired dude whose name escapes me, because AEW has not done a good job of explaining who the fuck these niggas are.

SPEAKER_03 5:13

Or a reason to care, honestly. I mean I'm glad you said that.

Darby, Gabe Kidd, And Why We Care

SPEAKER_02 5:19

I'm so glad that you said the reason to care. Do you even know why we're even here with Dave Kidd constantly bugging and beating the shit out of Darby Allen and kidnapping him and all this dumb shit? Do you know why that's happening right now?

SPEAKER_03 5:36

No, there's no reason. There isn't.

SPEAKER_02 5:40

There is a reason, but do you know what it is? No. It's because Darby Allen, at this failed attempt to beat the fucking uh uh the good guys now who are uh um uh oh my god uh the conglomeration?

SPEAKER_03 5:59

No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, not because you say he had Orange Cassidy out there.

SPEAKER_02 6:03

So no, no, no, Orange Cassidy is teaming up with him only because Orange Cassidy saw that Darby Allen needed some help, and I guess Orange Cassidy is bored instead of slapping the cheeks of you know Tony Storm like he should be doing, which he should be, but instead he's dealing I I guess because also the fact that the conglomeration was dealing with the now good guys death, the now good guy death writers or tweeners, whatever the fuck they are. But Darby Allen was all like, man, I finally beat the Death Riders, I can go on with my life. And then Gabe Kid's like, what about me? And Darby Allen's like, I don't give a fuck about Gabe Kid. And he's like, Well, I'm gonna make you give a fuck about me. And that's why we're here. That's that's literally why we're here.

SPEAKER_03 6:50

So basically he's saying, I'm not finished with you.

SPEAKER_02 6:53

Honestly, that that's literally what Gabe Kid. Gabe Kid is out here on someone's like, hey, look at me. I am important. Like, you know, uh, I I set you on fire. Remember, Darby? You know, when we threw you off of the thing during the thing, that didn't really matter because no one sold any of the stuff that happened during that thing. You know, like so fast forward now, like he's getting beat up and jumped and dragged through the Sahara Desert and fucking, you know, the drugged and thrown in the back of a trunk and all this dumb shit by Gabe Kid and the other guy and whatnot. I'm sorry to be disrespecting the other guy. I honestly don't, I don't either.

SPEAKER_03 7:38

I can't even remember his fucking name. I'm not even gonna lie. He's one of the other dogs. Yeah, he was in the he was in that group, but like just to remember who he was, like, I don't and so it's just like what are we doing?

Andrade, Suji, And New Japan Titles

SPEAKER_02 7:53

Yeah, it's it's really like, man, um, I don't know. So I can understand why you know new Japan's is probably like uh AEW, but at the same time, uh, AEW's kind of making the because a because AEW's the only people that's got stars that the new Japan people can kind of scale up to.

SPEAKER_03 8:14

I ain't gonna lie. Watching the new beginning pay-per-view, I could have sworn I thought Andrade was gonna win that belt. I felt like Andrade would be more fitting to be the global championship because he can go around you know with the girls and stuff like that. I kind of felt like that may have been the direction. But when I saw Sugi win, and I was like, but Suji, you being two belts right now, your whole your whole thing was to make the the heavyweight title important. And granted, not like you can't make the the global championship important, but I feel like give somebody else a chance to get shine with a belt or title or something like that. And honestly, even even with that match being the main event, I'm kind of a little pissed off that we even moved on from the store between him and Jake Lee. I would have I felt like that could have been something that could be still going right now. I agree, that could have went like it felt like you it was just a throwaway match, and this is the one thing I want to tell you. I want to rant about, as I'm I'm trying really hard to enjoy New Japan right now, and it's weird to even be called New Japan when the same fucking matches keep happening. It it's literally almost old Japan right now. Like, tell me who is the house of torture went against besides the same people for the last fucking like month or so.

unknown 9:44

Who have they won against?

SPEAKER_03 9:46

You're going against the same people. It's the the the salesman guy, it's uh Bolton, the the the Russian-looking guy with that it's it's him, it's always Tai Chi, it's always um I can't remember his name too, but it's the same people. Wolf, it's the same stuff.

SPEAKER_02 10:03

Now, just so I'm aware, like, is are they like is are they kind of like a sm little hook conglomeration? Because they always kind of seem to revolve around and kind of rope.

SPEAKER_03 10:15

They're they're nothing. They're all unbound. Technically, they're not unbound company, but they're unbound. Anyone that's not a part of a faction is unbound. So the whole premise of unbound company is like, or unaffiliated, excuse me, unaffiliated. If you're not a part of a con uh a team, you're unaffiliated. And the premise of unbound company is taking all unaffiliated people and making them an affiliated team.

SPEAKER_02 10:37

Okay. So because I will say the parts that I have been enjoying, outside the pay-per-view, which the pay-per-view was fine. Um, I officially caught up on like this is probably the first time I've been fully caught up on New Japan ever. Uh, and I've watched all of the the the beginning matches for the cup, which I will say this has been very exciting and great to watch.

SPEAKER_03 11:06

Oh, just the actual New Japan Cup?

SPEAKER_02 11:09

Yes.

SPEAKER_03 11:09

Tournament matches are always good.

House Of Torture Chaos

SPEAKER_02 11:13

The deal is is the fact that um they are what's the word I'm looking for? It uh because a lot of these people I've uh because I came in nearing the tag team division, they were all introduced to me during through tag team. And so now I'm getting to see a lot of these guys who are in tag teams, what they look like as singles wrestlers. And so far that's been fun to see.

SPEAKER_03 11:39

And what now, granted, uh Oscar is a fucking monster for real. And I'm so mad he lost. I'm very mad, him and Yoto. Like, I'm like, what? Like, Oscar, the way they built that match, by the way, against him and the prince, uh, Jacob um Austin Young, which by the way is J in abbreviation, if you think about it. Um, yeah. So as he put him in that sleeper, had him tooted up.

SPEAKER_02 12:08

I was like, bro, bro, I I was like, bro, and then what the guy, and then like when he tapped, I was like, okay. And then all of a sudden, next scene, camera referees. I'm like, what when we go.

SPEAKER_03 12:26

I'm like, bro, I'm like, bro, what why are we doing Oscar like that, bro? And and and luckily with my my wife, she's there to interpret what he was talking mad shit in German. She was he was basically calling a little bitch and all that kind of stuff. Yo, let's go, let's go. Why you running, little bitch? Like, whoa, eh. So wife Audible let me know what he's saying. But it's just like, man, him and him and Ice both being eliminated, really was like, Well, I don't care about the cup no more. No offense, but those those are two of the most charismatic people in that division for me right now. And you know, and this is another thing to kind of pinpoint his opponent who is a part of a group, which do you know what TMDK stands for? It's a cool fucking name once you find out. TMDK.

SPEAKER_00 13:24

The last letter had nothing to do with that. Okay.

SPEAKER_03 13:29

Too much dick kissing. The mighty don't kneel. Oh, okay. That you can't tell me. That's not a dope name. Better than what I said. Way better. It's less flexible. But the mighty don't kneel.

SPEAKER_02 13:41

Too much dick kissing. Yeah, T M D K. Too much dick kissing. Yeah, it's crazy. Hey, yo, say it is shit. Hey, yo, anybody in New Japan who wants to talk shit, y'all can have that one. Go ahead, keep that one. That's that's on the house.

SPEAKER_03 14:00

Anyway, so when it comes to the name of the group, like TMDK is a team where I'm like, nobody in that team is exciting. Nobody, I mean, I at one point it was like, yeah, Zach Saber Jr. with the title. Okay, I'm gonna be some seeing some technical matches and stuff like that. But now I'm even I had to take a moment to analyze the team, and I'm like, okay, nobody in this team is exciting, nobody in this team is charismatic. And that's kind of why I felt like watching new the new beginning, the new Japan Cup A and B nights. It felt like a glorified house show.

unknown 14:43

Fair enough.

SPEAKER_03 14:43

A very glorified house show where okay, I remember how Yoto and I forgot, I forget his name right now, they actually have a little bit of a feud. So I was like, okay, I'm a little bit hyped for this because there's there's a story behind this. Anytime they see each other, it's on site. I love that. I absolutely love that. The way they brawled out the ring and then kind of kept going with that match. All of that was beautiful. Granted, I'm not a fan, I'm not a fan of the result, but it was a good match. I will give it that. I just don't see the appeal at TMDK. I don't see the appeal. And why they're winning, I don't, I don't know. I uh I I don't unless it's really never saw the appeal. Unless it's really too much dick kissing.

SPEAKER_02 15:31

Apparently. I mean, that's what New Japan does when it comes to uh Zack Saber Jr., boy, I tell you.

SPEAKER_03 15:39

Apparently, that's their number one guy gent.

New Japan Cup First Impressions

SPEAKER_02 15:41

Now, now now one thing. The one thing so far out of because there was what one, two, there's been three, there's been three shows of the uh the cup tournament. Yeah, the one thing that has been a constant, and it's been I'm I fucking love it, is goddamn uh House of Fucking Torture, you guys. Fail every single match that they have had has been nothing but bullshit and shenanigans to hot I'm talking unrelenting bullshit is shenanigans from start to fucking finish. Now, granted, as we know, I am effectively a young lion when it comes to watching New Japan and everything. So all this house of torture stuff that I'm getting right now, this is brand new to me. Fam. Um, hold on, let me look at my little note, little, my little notepiece here. Uh so like what was it? Uh um Fall versus Aaron Wolf. Okay. Let me just start there. Yes, Don Fall A versus Aaron Wolf. All right. I feel bad for Aaron Wolf. The fact because he doesn't he does not necessarily have like a solid group outside of just a bunch of as what you called them, just the just a bunch of other people who are like, yeah, no, fuck those guys too. Because god damn, Don Foley in his match, I mean nonstop shenanigans, bro. Couldn't fucking move, attacking them from behind. The referee gets knocked out for like a split second, and it's like it's almost like the light turns on cockroaches. Just just everybody just I was like, damn. So we really just go jump Aaron Wolf like this. Like, we're really good. Foley wins.

SPEAKER_03 17:52

Okay, I'm like, damn, it's just uh it's annoying because, like, bro, y'all made Aaron Wolf look so strong, wrestle kingdom, and you just keep shitting on him right now, like there's no outcome for him outside of just a house of torture literally torturing him.

SPEAKER_02 18:11

So my current predictions for Aaron Wolf right now, right? Because this will continue throughout the rest of these matches and throughout the rest of these shows, this is a continuation because I think on the next show, Aaron Wolf and a conglomerate of other guys go up against House of Torture, and the shenanigans fucking continues in that match. And House of Torture, if I'm not mistaken, I think they squeeze out a win in that one too, because uh because it was like what like a it was like a six-man tag match or whatever before like the actual like regular matches happen. And and the way that match ended, they ended up jumping his ass as well. And so in my mind right now, I feel like they're be they're trying to paint this picture, and it's almost like House of Torture. It's like House of Torture is bullying him right now. And it's like kind of like, hey, welcome to the new bam buddy. We run this. Oh, so kind of like paying his dues. Almost. And I feel like what may happen, or at least what I will hope happens, is that Aaron Wolf is gonna smarten up and realize, yeah, I don't, it doesn't matter how good I am, I need a fucking squad. And he's gonna get a squad, and he's going to eventually steamroll over House of Torture.

SPEAKER_03 19:42

I feel it and it has to take. Do you think it's going to end the House of Torture, or is it just gonna be like a, you know, we're just getting our get back?

SPEAKER_02 19:54

So that's hard to say. I know House of Torture has I know House of Torture is currently it's funny because I'm like it almost reflects at how like right now the House of Torture, the way that they're running shit right now, like they are they they are crazier than what they was when evil was there, in my opinion. Like they're because of D Toga. Like they're they're fucking running Rup shot, all right?

SPEAKER_03 20:21

And so like and you bringing up uh uh toga, like uh spit trying to spit in um Shingo's face and then end up getting punched in the face.

SPEAKER_02 20:32

Yeah. So the other so the other match that happens that has that house of torture coded was uh it was Tai Chi versus uh I I think his name was Ren.

SPEAKER_03 20:44

Uh is the older gentleman wearing the orange?

SPEAKER_02 20:48

I think so.

SPEAKER_03 20:49

Well because that's the one guy who's normally always tagging with Tai Chi.

SPEAKER_02 20:53

No, no, no, no, no, no. So Tai Chi, it was the it was the qualifying match.

SPEAKER_03 20:58

Oh, okay, I'm thinking of.

SPEAKER_02 20:59

So it was Tai Chi versus, and I think his name was like Ren something. I didn't get his last name.

SPEAKER_03 21:04

Was it the young lion?

SPEAKER_02 21:05

No, no, no, no, no. Okay, this was the guy he was fighting a house of torture individual.

Faction Talk: TMDK, Unaffiliated, LIJ Echoes

SPEAKER_03 21:09

No, no, no. I'm just saying, oh, the the current um junior heavyweight champion.

SPEAKER_02 21:16

No, no, no, no. Now, what you're talking about, which I was gonna get to that one as well, that because that's uh uh oh man, what's his name? I actually didn't write it. No, no, no, no. Because the one the one who's a champion, he's the one that has the mask on.

SPEAKER_03 21:29

Yeah, that's Doki lost it. No, Doki won his match. No, Doki lost the title. I could have sworn he lost the title, and then Ren. Oh no, Ren has the um the never open weight. Sorry.

SPEAKER_02 21:44

Yeah, like no, no, no.

SPEAKER_03 21:45

No, no, Ren has the never open weight. Sorry, sorry. I I watched this shit, man. I could remember the the belts for a second, but yes, Ren has a never open weight title.

SPEAKER_02 21:55

Yeah, so and I do believe in that batch, Ren versus uh uh Uh, Tai Chi, bro, the fucking shenanigans that they went through in that match. Fucking match starts, fucking jump homie from behind, and all this other stuff. And I think if I'm not mixing it up, it was in this match, there was a certain point where was it in this one? Cause they pulled the fucking maneuver where like homie was about to about to tap out kind of thing. Or it was like, oh, he had went for the pin and it was about to be a two-count, or it was about to be a three count, but then they just started ringing the bell. Oh, that's like they bro. I'm bro, they I'm talking, they out here pulling all of the stops in these matches. And I'm just like, fam, these guys are horrible and I f and deplorable, and I fucking love it.

SPEAKER_03 22:54

It's the kind of heel work that you can enjoy as in like they're just being shitty grins, uh shitty uh heels.

SPEAKER_02 23:01

Oh, absolutely. Cuz going into the match where uh uh uh Doki fought, I think I think I can't remember the guy's name. Um, but uh going into their match, right? So in this match, they pulled out all the fucking stops. Like the match was so far of all the House of Torture matches, this match was the most ridiculous. Because the match starts out and he has a decoy in the ring. It wasn't even him who was in the ring to start the match off. The match is like it's like they start off, and it's like he's gone, he's like got this like extra stuff on, and it's like, and like I don't remember who it was that was in the ring, but it's like he takes stuff off as like, huh? I'm not the one you're fighting. And then Doki attacks homie from behind and starts beating him up from that jump point. And then there's a certain point in the match where of course the referee gets knocked out. So lights turn out, the cockroaches show up, and everyone's just jumping the fuck out of them and everything. Bro, I'm talking weapons left and right. I mean, the amount of bullshit that and then for homie to still fucking win the title. I'm like, God, that really, man, these guys are somebody get these niggas.

SPEAKER_03 24:27

Get these niggas, bro. My issue is the fact that you turn off to light the cockroaches.

SPEAKER_02 24:33

Bro, because that's bro, I'm I'm talking like the way it almost looks, right? The referee hasn't even hit the ground yet, and they're in the ring jumping the motherfucker, bro. Oh my god. Like, I'm talking like like referee gets tapped, he's like, oh, and as he's like right here, it should make me think of that gnome game.

SPEAKER_03 25:03

The gnome game that you showed me a while back, it made me think of that immediately. I don't know why. Like if they just try to jump the the old guy or something like this, it's truck and it's gnome.

SPEAKER_02 25:12

Oh, I know what you're talking about. Just bro, it is oh my god, bro. It is the house of torture is a fucking problem. Yes, and like out of all of like speaking, and actually on this piece, like what uh I mean, outside of too much dick kissing, what other groups are there besides House of Torture?

SPEAKER_03 25:38

It is only Unbound Company, House of Torture, and TMDK.

Where Are The Stars?

SPEAKER_02 25:44

Okay, that's what I was figuring. If you're talking about faction wise, yeah, yeah, yeah. Cause like I know, because like what was the War Dogs and Bullet Club is kind of sort of fused into Unbound Company with LIJ.

SPEAKER_03 25:57

And uh technically some remaining people from Chaos, but Chaos has been gone for years.

SPEAKER_02 26:03

Because I know, yeah, I was like, because it's like with the way that it is, it kind of makes sense why House of Torches is out here fucking literally torturing New Japan right now. Because even though they don't necessarily have a solid leader, they still got enough guys to just run around and just run rub shot over literally everybody. Cause like so far in all their matches, the people who they're fighting don't really have like a group to claim, and so they're just jumping you. So if you ain't got a group to claim, then you're getting jumped. You're getting the house of torture treated.

SPEAKER_03 26:42

What if what if they're just trying to beat you up until you're saying, hey man, you know what? Guess I just gotta join them, bro.

SPEAKER_02 26:47

Now that would be wild. Now, on that other side, what when we was talking about uh uh uh wolf, if he's the one who ends up joining House of Tor, like if they beat him to the point where they're like, you know what, fuck it. And he joins House of Torture and they make him like their leader type shit now. That would be some wild shit.

SPEAKER_03 27:11

That would actually be a very interesting story. Um and and that's the thing. I I'm again going back into the the the name of New Japan. It is called New Japan, but nothing feels new right now. I've seen a lot of the same matches, and again, unfortunately, I can't watch any TMDK matches. I can't, I just can't. Only reason why I watched with Ice in is because Ice is in it, but like any TMDK match is just not exciting. Uh, I don't like Bishiman. I I don't like that tag team. It's it's eh they kind of want to be Paul, like the way they look, they remind me of Paul London and Brian Kendrick. The the with the way they dress the shorts, it just makes me feel that, but just are those the junior heavyweight, the junior tag teams? No, so it's the guy uh the guys in the number that wear the white shorts. Um, yeah. So they they kind of look like Brian K uh Brian uh Kendrick and Paul London back when they were the tag team and they used to wear those really long shorts coming out to the ring, and they just feel like an older version of that, but just not high fly.

unknown 28:19

That's fair.

Predictability Is Killing Wrestling

SPEAKER_03 28:20

Yeah, and and and it's just nothing about them is interesting, even though uh Goto was just recently the New Japan champion, like a half a year ago. So it's just now you're hearing this tag team that I'm like, I don't even think they ever had the tag team titles yet. I'm not even sure I might be you might be able to stand me correctly, guys, because again, it's been a while since I've been watching New Japan. But for the current product that we have, right now, I feel like so much weight is on uh Suji because he has two of their main titles the never open weight title, the junior heavyweight title. No, it's not spicy right now. It's not it's not good enough for me to be like must see TV. And right now, you're just kind of wanting to see what Suji does. You know, every title defense he's currently having, you know, Andrade. I truly felt like Andrade should have had the belt. Because funny enough, Andrade is in two factions, by the way. He's in the Don Callis family and the United Kingdom. Yeah, what the fuck? So I'm just like, man, can we do something about that match? I really just I don't know. I sat there and was like, why why did Suji win? Why? And that really frustrated me. Um, because I just didn't see a reason for him to still keep that belt.

SPEAKER_02 29:38

No, I mean that's fair. Like, I I mean, and I also feel if he's gonna have the belt, I feel as if he needs to because it which is another thing. Like, and maybe I like I've just haven't gotten completely accumulate acclimated with the way that New Japan works, but I feel because he has two belts, I feel like he should be doing just doing more kind of thing.

SPEAKER_03 30:04

Just like I mean, he's at every show.

SPEAKER_02 30:07

But like, I I don't know, maybe like because it's like I like I see him, but I feel like he doesn't have fuse that matter right now.

SPEAKER_03 30:15

Yeah, the only one he had was the Jake Lee one, which again gave it life.

SPEAKER_02 30:21

It made you say, oh shit, like well, Jake Lee, he's in the he won his qualifying match.

SPEAKER_03 30:26

Yeah, I mean, he could go against him at uh soccer beginning, yeah. He could do that because soccer beginning is in uh April, and whoever wins the New Japan Cup, by the way, I don't know if you're familiar with what the new Japan Cup is, but the New Japan Cup is a single elimination 24-man tournament. The winner of the tournament gets a title shot at Sakura Beginning uh for the heavyweight title. So that is the premises of this current tournament. So being that it's single elimination, and again, you can see why I'm pissed that Oscar and uh Ice are eliminated because you obviously you're not gonna see them in the title picture. Granted. Yeah, yeah, but they're they're more known and better as a tag team. I will give them that. But I don't know who's winning this tournament right now. I don't, I don't know. I can't pinpoint who would be the next program for Suji. And again, that is what's the problem with New Japan for me, is who are your stars? Who do you who are you gonna put next up? And who is gonna make Suji's title reign matter? Because yes, a person can hold a belt, they can do whatever they want to with the belt, but the title reign is what really solidifies the champion. And a perfect example of this could be going back to WWE currently and Cody Rhodes. Cody Rhodes, as we know, is everybody's fan favorite, right? Everybody loves Cody, but if you haven't noticed it recently, Cody has the second most disliked video in WWE history with him winning the title. Fans are not liking the fact that Cody has won the belt.

SPEAKER_00 32:11

Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 32:14

Yeah, fans are not liking it. Because while which is weird because fans are like really cross about it. The IWC is really cross about this. When it comes to WrestleMania, people don't mind predictability, but then they get mad when it's also predictable.

SPEAKER_02 32:33

So I was actually running that literally because there was something that we were talking about once when it came to you know, you know, predicting things. And there's like this, there's what wrestling used when we think back to when like wrestling was that right, you know, there was always that like you know, we all want to try and predict and be like, oh, I was the one who called it type situation, right? And I feel once the whole situation with you know people wanting to predict certain things about wrestling.

SPEAKER_00 33:12

I think there was once upon a time where we would predict things, and more times than not, there used to be a time where we would try to predict wrestling, and the chances of our prediction actually coming true were slippery, and that's what I think what used to make wrestling great.

SPEAKER_03 33:37

So, like like you could predict something, but then like they give you a different outcome that sounds more exciting.

SPEAKER_02 33:45

So, like, for instance, we have been in this space where it's like wrestling, because like I said, we always predict things, right? We always try to predict what's gonna happen next, blah blah blah, right?

WrestleMania Card Worries

SPEAKER_00 33:58

And so when wrestling was at its most dope, most interesting, most entertaining, was during a time where we would throw out these predictions, sometimes super crazy, sometimes super mainstream line, whatever it may be. And there used to be a time where you would throw out predictions and you wouldn't always get it right, if that makes sense. So, like, for instance, with this whole thing with Cody Rhodes and and and Drew McIntyre, right?

SPEAKER_02 34:34

There used to be a time where you know we would want to predict how Cody Rhodes is gonna win and Drew McIntyre.

SPEAKER_00 34:42

Well, it differs from then into now is the fact that now we get it right too much. We we guess them predicting too much to the point where now we're bull.

SPEAKER_03 34:55

I I think our reason for that is because we understand the safe that WWE always does. And as a wrestling fan, we don't want safe. We we come from an era where it was literally attitude, and that and honestly, that was one of the reasons why it was the best era, is because there was no predictability. It was just you can watch raw, anything can happen. You can't miss it. Smackdown, you can't miss it. And the storylines that they may try to pick up, like I never could have predicted, like, say, perfect example, cactus jack versus mankind, Royal Rumble. My favorite match ever. Never could have predicted that was the match. Never, never would have predicted Mankind. Say, hey, to do this match against Triple H, I gotta shift into Cactus Jack. Couldn't have done that. And if anybody else said they did that, great. I'm glad that you're better as a wrestling fan than me, but couldn't. Could you have predicted mankind coming back to WrestleMania 2000 and being in the main event? No, you couldn't predict that. It just happened, and I think that's another thing about with wrestling to me currently is it's predictable, but it's the predictable of like what we all may not want.

SPEAKER_02 36:02

I would I mean, this that is that's true, but I think it's the fact that it's predictable and it's no longer surprising. So it's like it's that whole deal where it'd be one thing if we made predictions and we got them wrong from time to time.

SPEAKER_03 36:22

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 36:23

And those times that we got them wrong were like oh shit moments kind of thing. But now we'll predict something and we'll get it right, and we'll predict again, we'll get it right, and we'll get it right, and right, and right. And then when you start guessing and knowing what's gonna happen next, it does not, you know, it's like it it it loses that value of fun to try and predict things because now it's like you predict it, and then it's like, oh yeah, Coley Rose is gonna win, it's gonna be Randy Orton at WrestleMania. And then it happens like, yep, all right, whatever. But now is where before, you know, the four-way match was what we all predicted. So for instance, like if it was something like that, right? Or now, granted, it's still early, still early, it could happen. But like, if it were if something like that were to have been the case, kind of thing, right? Because it's such a a wild thing, that would then that's that's that's where you kind of get that that oh shit type.

SPEAKER_03 37:33

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 37:34

But it's also just the fact that right now we're in an era of wrestling where it's so predictable, nothing is surprising, nothing is jumping out at you, nothing is like moving a needle in a left or a right way. Because it's so easy to predict, it does not make the predicting piece fun anymore, kind of thing. Because, like, if we like what what would make it fun is if that like as of right now, if we can get a lot more times where we'll be all like, oh yeah, uh Cody Rhodes is gonna win or something like that, kind of thing, right? And then all of a sudden something happens on the show and something completely completely different happens. Like they fucking, like, I don't know, like so like Sami Zayn got the belt all of a sudden. Correct. Oh yeah, yeah. So like first it's like we're like, oh yeah, Cody Rhodes is gonna win, you know, interference and blah, blah, blah, like all that happens. And all of a sudden, like, you know, Fatou j, you know, jumps to the match and interferes, and then we're all like, yep, uh uh uh Cody Rose is gonna win the match, and all of a sudden it goes like, you know what? No, no, fuck it. You know what? Run the match back. Run the match back, and now Fatou's part of the match.

SPEAKER_06 38:47

Whoa, whoa!

SPEAKER_03 38:49

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Shit like that. We don't get that. Yeah, we don't get that at more. We don't get shit like that. Yeah, we don't get that. Yeah, we don't get that. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 38:55

And so it's like, so it's like we we don't get that. We don't, we don't get the most we get is me at the uh much of a like.

SPEAKER_03 39:05

Oh, when Randy weren't won, you were like, oh, wasn't expected. Excuse me. You know, prediction clearly is at Cody, but like, oh, you swerve me. Good job.

SPEAKER_02 39:14

Although it's funny because like I go and I look online, and apparently everyone else was all like, yeah, no, we knew Randy was gonna win. I'm like, damn, it we really did.

SPEAKER_03 39:24

No, I thought Cody, we all thought I th I thought Cody was gonna win.

SPEAKER_02 39:27

Now, apparently the IWC was all like, yeah, no, Randy's winning that shit. Easy.

SPEAKER_03 39:31

I'm like, damn. But then now, and now we okay, when and they took too long for this to finally happen. Now we're finally getting that main event match where it's Cody versus Randy Orton. But this should have happened damn near a year ago. Some people are saying that. I know, I feel that the build for this now, you only have what, how many weeks we have left? We literally got like a month-ish, a month and a half. And they're supposed to be, I guess, using the times where Randy has been looking at Cody hold that belt, and you know, saying, uh, I can go for it, uh I can go for it. We technically have a babyface, technically baby face match, even though he's really anti-hero, but there's still time.

Rhea vs Jade And Protecting Auras

SPEAKER_02 40:19

I because there's still time, and now unless they're just not going to give Drew McIntyre his uh title rematch, but I feel as if there's still some shenanigans going on because in all this planning, I actually kind of forgot the fact that we still got Sami Zayn out here.

SPEAKER_03 40:38

He's going against Trick Williams. That is the rumor. All right. He's going against Trick Williams at Mania.

SPEAKER_01 40:47

Alright. Alright, all right, I guess. He defract uh okay. I mean, you know, it's not like we don't have Sami Zayn out here, you know, pitching fucking fits at Cody Rhodes and Randy Orton, and but you know, it's cool.

SPEAKER_03 41:15

Apparently, from uh they're saying that the interactions that he's had with Sammy is gonna shift into that, which is really weird because Trick is having more interactions with Randy Orton than anybody else about being 6'5.

SPEAKER_02 41:34

Yeah, I don't, I don't, I don't know what they're doing. Like WrestleMania, I mean, well, no, no, no. They definitely don't know what they're doing right now. WrestleMania is in such shambles right now.

SPEAKER_03 41:49

It is definitely going to as they I think it's every three manias is a bad one. Is that is that I I heard somebody say that one time, like every three manias is a bad one.

SPEAKER_02 42:02

I think they might have it backwards.

SPEAKER_03 42:04

It's every three is like no, like after like okay, so you get three three manias and after the third one is a bad one. Excuse me.

SPEAKER_02 42:12

So after so you get three good manias and the third one's a bad one?

SPEAKER_03 42:16

Uh two mania, two good manias and the third one's a bad one.

SPEAKER_02 42:19

So if that's the case, that means last mania was the bad one, and this mania's the bad one. So they got it backwards. Maybe. I don't know. So then if last time was the bad one, this one should be the fucking good one.

SPEAKER_03 42:45

Well, that mania was only bad because of the Cena match.

SPEAKER_02 42:51

No, it wasn't.

SPEAKER_03 42:52

I mean, it was alright.

SPEAKER_02 42:53

Oh, okay.

SPEAKER_03 42:54

So Okay, no, no, no, no, no, no, I'm sure.

SPEAKER_02 42:58

Yeah, I'm very are you positive? We can go into it real quick. As a matter of fact, I could probably pull up our episode when we talked about how shitty the media was. Like, I've been looking back at the old episodes recently, you know, like just just remembering and shit. And like, I mean, we can get into it unless you unless you remember now. I know my dreads are tight right now. I just got these done proceeding done.

SPEAKER_03 43:27

Proceed, proceed.

SPEAKER_02 43:28

Okay.

SPEAKER_03 43:32

So I get maybe maybe this mania might be ass. It's going to be ass. Good in match wise school. I don't know. Good match. I don't know, man. I'm trying to I'm trying to be positive. How much time we got? I don't even know. It's upside. You can take it off.

SPEAKER_02 43:51

I mean, no, we we we we haven't hit the hour point yet. Like we'll let's go. Let's get into the WrestleMania matches right now. All right. Let's uh let's let's Let's let's test your statement real quick. Okay, so first off, we have what is currently solid right now?

SPEAKER_03 44:07

Um We have uh Jay Cargill versus Brock Lesnar. That's not solid yet.

SPEAKER_02 44:14

No, it's supposed to be a solid, it isn't a solid match. You are correct. But Brock Lesnar is going to be there, and there's supposed to be a match.

SPEAKER_03 44:26

How you feeling about that right now? Ass, right? I mean, because of Oba Femi's presentation, yes, it'd be ass. Like if he was actually doing something and then Brock actually like interfering and causing some issues, then maybe yeah.

SPEAKER_02 44:42

But Brock Lester is not going to interfere and cause any issues because Brock Lesnar's already beat him.

SPEAKER_03 44:48

Yeah, that's what I'm saying. Like the presentation they have been doing, yeah, you can boost Oba as much as possible, but Brock still eliminated him. Oh so if so, if there was a situation where Oba was like, yo, I got beef with you because you threw me out the ring, you should have done it after the rumble.

SPEAKER_02 45:07

Let me see here. The Royal Rumble was at the end of January, February, March, and a half. Almost almost two and a half months. Two and a half months for Oba to sit there and like just think about like that nigga threw me over the rope. No, that white back gorilla did throw me over the ring, you know, ropes that one time. Maybe I'll say something. Maybe I'll say something. Now, actually, before we continue with this though, can we talk about the utmost disrespect?

SPEAKER_03 45:44

Johnny Gargano guy. Bro.

SPEAKER_04 45:51

Going out there looking like a math teacher, first off. The dog walking of Johnny Gargano.

Story Over Moves: Why It Matters

SPEAKER_02 46:06

Bro, let let him go. Let him go to AEW. Let him go to AEW, goddamn him. There's there's nothing for him here. To feed him, because that's what we're doing right now. We're we are we're we are uh literally ryebacking. Rybacking for Johnny Gargano to get Rybacked by fucking Obafemi. Johnny fucking wrestling.

SPEAKER_03 46:33

He even said it. I gotta go back to being Johnny Wrestling.

SPEAKER_02 46:36

So like to get Rybacked by Oba Femi. This is the same man who had one of the most amazing and most devastating matches in NXT against the psycho killer on AEW. My shadow knows my story. Mm-hmm. Which I I need them to really start doing something with them because uh you saw the heel turn, right?

SPEAKER_03 47:08

Wait, wait, wait, when never? The heel turn that happened last night. Oh, on uh collision? Yeah, he he did the same thing that he did to Johnny and NXT.

SPEAKER_02 47:17

Who to who?

SPEAKER_03 47:18

To Mark Briscoe so as they finish the match, they go to the stage, he grabs his head, slams it into the fucking screen. Just like he did Johnny Gargano. This is the way.

SPEAKER_02 47:35

This is the way. So I had to make the conscious decision of watching the rest of the New Japan stuff or watch collision. And I chose to watch New Japan. Now I'm definitely going to watch Collision because that's what we need in AEW. And they are they're on the right path right now. So that that does my heart gut.

SPEAKER_03 48:00

And the and and the funny thing is before we go back into that, the funny thing about it is apparently there was an article saying or uh a post saying that Tony Khan just doesn't know what to do with him right now, or he didn't know what to do with him. So Tommaso said, Hey, let me do what I did to Johnny. And he was like, But you already did that. It's like, yeah, but it'll get people talking, and that is what you want in wrestling more than anything, is to get people talking. So the minute it happened, people were like, Oh, he did this, Johnny, and that's all the comments. He did this to Johnny, he did to Johnny Black and Gold is back, black and gold.

SPEAKER_02 48:33

Like they're doing all of that, and they see if you're giving us that to Monster Ciampa, that's because that you cannot have a baby face with the name of psycho killer. All right. I'm like, we I'm like, I haven't needed to say it yet, but I was getting close to saying it and hearing that, I don't have to say it. Because I was going to say the fact, I'm like, all right, we need to go ahead and uh let's let's make him heal. Let's go ahead and do that, get that shit going.

SPEAKER_03 49:07

But nah, they're and think Boy, this man had a fucking rejuvenation, bro. Like because the light just came on.

SPEAKER_02 49:16

Well, it's it's because of the fact, so AEW is ass, all right? Very ass. And and they're it, but and I feel like there's like people who are just there, just doing whatever the fuck they want, and you know, just kind of like, and there are some people who show up who uh they'll do things, and it's like, all right, you know, it's kind of cool, but like they're not taking charge and taking control of their character. Luckily, this man has gone through the WWE system. He learned very well in his NXT days, and he knows where he needs to be and how he needs to be presented, and he's making the moves to make sure he's presented in that kind of way. Therefore, it's gonna get him the TV time he needs, and it's gonna be entertaining. Because that's what WWE does, it teaches you how to be an entertainer. AEW is where you go to stack up that bread and have freedom. And a lot of people don't know, seem obviously, a lot of people don't know how to use that freedom in AEW to make shit make sense.

SPEAKER_03 50:24

I don't think they have as much freedom as they did at one point. I feel like maybe they have freedom to do what they do in their matches. Like, hey, if you want to throw yourself on some thumb tacks, that's cool. But like they still have character direction, they still have, hey, I want you to become this, and this is the match that we want. So, because like right now, Swerve versus Brody King, I don't give a fuck about that.

SPEAKER_02 50:54

No, but the Swerve versus Brody King thing right now in AEW and a lot of those, this is AEW trying to bring more people into the upper echelon for possible title defenses. Because once again, I always say it, AEW ain't got no fucking stars.

SPEAKER_03 51:19

I mean TNA don't either, and right now New Japan either.

SPEAKER_02 51:22

Well, no, no, like well, well, TNA absolutely does not. New Japan.

SPEAKER_03 51:31

Oh, yeah, we yeah, they're Zitar or whatever.

NXT As The Last Real PPV

SPEAKER_02 51:35

But uh but yeah, no, like yeah, TNA, absolutely not. Uh New Japan, they they could they have potential stars, they're just not. And where and AEW, they have a lot of potential stars, but none of them are shining like MJF, and they're trying really hard to shine up those people so that they can look good going up against MJF.

SPEAKER_03 52:04

I think it's funny because MJF is a student of the game. He does use wrestling psychology better than any of those guys.

SPEAKER_02 52:11

Better than any of those guys, which is why where MJF is at right now, like, motherfucker is smart. There, there's no like people always talk about how much better he'd be in WWE. Sure, he would be great in WWE, but why go to WWE where he has to fight for that top spot? Where in AEW he is the top spot. That's why I was all like, man, if Tommaso Ciampa went to TNA, he would make so many people look like a fucking look like champs, look like stars, become stars. Because him and TNA, he would be at the top.

SPEAKER_03 52:53

That's literally what Mike Santana did for himself. He left AEW to go to House of Glory, to go to TNA. And look what happened. He became a world champion. And granted, his tag team partner uh or tease, they were like, No, we really should keep doing this. He was like, No, I really want to push for myself. I really want to have a singles career, and he did that in multiple companies. So granted, as much as I don't like his current character right now, he did what he said he wanted to do.

SPEAKER_02 53:25

No, he's yeah, no, I I agree. Like, it's uh it's one of those deals. Like, for me, I'm like the issue is just the fact that he's at the top and there's no one else at the top with him. And it and they're and the people who like they have to stretch, which is be considered on the top, which is why they're doing this whole thing with, as you said, re now Macklin is getting reinstated. It's because so that so that once they could fight him and all this.

SPEAKER_03 53:57

You know, when that shit happened, I'm laying in bed, I'm watching TNA. You know, I had the phone in my hand, and I went straight. I said, Man, what the fuck, bro? Like, so you did the feast of fire for no fucking reason besides telling us, hey, this person's going for a heavyweight tala at some point. This person gets a tag team title match, and this person gets a title. And we don't want to fire nobody, but we gotta go with it.

SPEAKER_02 54:31

I think the other thing that gets me is the fact that the person who actually has the the title match for Feast of Fire is not getting his match before this guy who got fired. Like that shit got me like, all right, TNA.

SPEAKER_03 54:49

You know what? And I didn't even have to say that shit. But going back to the mania, the main, because we we drifted a little bit, to kind of uh get your opinions on what we have currently for mania. So we have Jay Cargill, we have Rhea Ripley, we have um uh Liv Morgan and Stephanie Valkyrie. We have Cody, we have Randy, we have CM Punk, we have Roman Reigns. So those are our absolute set-in-stone matches. I'm not really a fan of these title matches. I mean, like CM Punk and Roman. CM Punk and Roman is on paper, sounds like it should be as as uh Michael Cole keeps saying, the greatest match in WrestleMania history. Uh but in reality, these are two big ass egos.

SPEAKER_02 55:49

Yes, they are two very big names that are guaranteed to make us make make us, as in TKO, money. And that is the main event that is supposed to bring in the big bucks and make you apparently talk about it for centuries to come. Centuries to come, apparently. Um and and yes, on paper, sure. Now, out of all the matches right now, I will at least say, and it's kind of funny because it's like they they kind of have to. For me, I feel like they are they are doing their damnedest to talk this one up. And these the promos between Roman Reigns and CM Punk, these these little spouts that they're having in the ring, just talking to each other, like they're they're they're trying to make this they're trying to make them as spicy and as hot as they possibly can. And like I feel after the last thing that happened, and I'm not I think it was you who I said this to. Yeah, like there is no more room for talking. It there's no more room for talking. There should only be hands.

Vengeance Day: Parker vs Monroe

SPEAKER_03 57:15

Somebody has said uh the only thing that Roman can do to get back at him is dig up Larry.

SPEAKER_02 57:21

Yes. That is that if Roman Reigns does not do anything short of paying Larry's grave site like a visit, there then you've lost everyone.

SPEAKER_03 57:36

Yeah, you've lost everyone. Like you, because like he should have threw hands with him the minute he said it. Fuck it. He turned around and walked.

SPEAKER_02 57:43

Wait, yeah, no, like like if he's not going to talk about Larry in any capacity, if he does not show up to the graveside of Larry, you know what I'm saying? Like, if he does not do that, then the absolute only other thing he should do is jump the fuck out of him. He needs he it has to be hands. There has to be hands thrown because that is like the normal progression of this right now. Like, CM Punk needs to have a match, and Ron Rey needs to show up and he needs to Superman punch him and cause CM Punk to lose whatever that match is. That's what needs to happen. But he has to hurt him. I mean, yeah, I would agree. Like, you know, like he loses the match, he starts to leave, then comes back, beats him up a bit more. Sure. Whatever it is, it has to be hands. Because we can't do this dumb shit that we did last year with John Cena, where he just continuously comes out and says what he wants to say, and then Cody came out and says what he wants to say.

SPEAKER_03 58:55

That's all they're gonna do because Roman's not Roman, as we already know, is a part-timer and he only wrestles when it matters or does stuff when it matters. CM Punk, on the other hand, will take a brawl, but he's also very injury prone, so can't have nothing too crazy after.

SPEAKER_02 59:15

Which is the unfortunate bit of it all, which is why WrestleMania is gonna continue to be dry. Cause right now, the Randy Orton, now grant, the Randy Orton and Cody thing is still new, and I feel that there is still things that have to develop because I I personally do not think it's gonna be Randy versus Cody, like straight up. I feel as if there's gonna be some other shenanigans involved, but like with the other matches that we have right now, Rhea and Jade.

SPEAKER_03 59:53

So that one's a bit interesting because you don't know what's technically real or fake right now. Because, yes, Jade Cargill has has sparked a lot of issues backstage, and then they had that Twitter beef that went on that had Chelsea Green and other wrestlers coming to Rhea's defense, and it kind of feels like Jade is on this mountain alone because she feels like she's better than everybody. When um and I mean Rhea Ripley had her promo of like, hey, your body is built for bodybuilding. My my body is built for fighting. We two different bitches. I'm really that bitch.

SPEAKER_02 1:00:32

When it comes to that piece, um uh I'm I'm in Camp Rhea. Uh, cuz cuz yeah, I want this to be more interesting than what it is, but it's not.

SPEAKER_03 1:00:47

Rhea's not losing this match.

Underground Rules: Lola Vice vs Kalani

SPEAKER_02 1:00:51

I so at least not clean. Yeah, we we had that cut. We already had that talk. So in my mind, what I think would be great, what I think would be cool, that would protect both of them and also be hell yeah, this is wrestling, right? Is where we have the situation where Rhea and and and them they have their match, and then Rhea looks like she's going to win. And then I'm just gonna say these names, but fill them in with whatever females that you'd like. But then like B Fab and fucking uh Mi AM come out there and they jump Rhea when the referee's down, and then Jade wins, and now Jay's got her bad girls club.

SPEAKER_03 1:01:46

She needs that, honestly. That's what makes Jade Jay as a standalone is not that bitch. No, she is that bitch with her girls with her.

SPEAKER_02 1:01:56

She would be. She she needs to have bitches to be that bitch. Because as of right now, and I think it would also help cover up where like she's not quite acclimated in the ring at because it is so weird to me, because it's like she has all of this time to get good in the ring.

SPEAKER_03 1:02:18

She's been doing this for years now, like almost five.

SPEAKER_02 1:02:22

And but it's like I see her in the ring, and there's just like there's so many like empty spaces for her kind of thing. And it's like for her to look the part that she does, and her to not be as good as she should be, like, she has the million-dollar body and like you know, half the skills. You know what I'm saying? Like, you know, when then you look at someone who has the million-dollar body, like Bianca Bel-Air, and she has three times the skills as what her looks even present.

unknown 1:02:56

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:02:57

And Bianca is fucking beautiful, yeah. And so it's like Rhea over here, she's like, I feel Rhea will make her look decent, but you can only make someone look so good in a fucking match.

SPEAKER_03 1:03:11

The thing about what Rhea is now we got seven WrestleMania's in a row where she's going for a title, right? And it does solidify that yes, she is one of WWE's biggest draws and women-wise, or almost even sometimes men. But it's gonna get to a point where I'm wondering when are the fans, if we get to this mania and she wins that title, are we now gonna start be start treating her the same way they're now treating Cody, where you're always winning, you're always this.

SPEAKER_02 1:03:43

No, and I'll tell you why.

SPEAKER_01 1:03:45

Because unlike Cody, um Rhea has actually semi-interesting story. That's the key.

SPEAKER_02 1:03:58

It's always the key. Story. Now, also, Rhea is not afraid to be bad or good. When you look at all those times she's gone to WrestleMania, some of them she's been good, some of them she's bad, some of them she's in between. She knows how to fluctuate her character, she knows how to go with one side or the other.

SPEAKER_03 1:04:25

Well, that's the thing about her character. Her character isn't immediately defined by being a babyface. She can be a heel, she can be a tweener, she can be an anti-hero, she can be a babyface. Cody can only be a babyface in the eyes of WWE currently because he's their flag, he's their quarterback. So to do a heel turn right now where he's Cody Rhodes, um it's just almost the equivalent of John Cena turning heel.

Joe Hendry, Memes, And Main Event Energy

SPEAKER_02 1:04:57

But I feel, well, it could be, but with the thing with Rhea though, I don't think I just don't see the people turning on Rhea in that particular kind of way. And if they do turn on Rhea, unlike with Cody Rhodes, I feel Rhea, unlike with Cody Rhodes, Rhea, she is someone who can make moves, make money, and turn the dial. Uh, she she can do all of those things, whether she's good or bad. Unlike with Cody Rhodes, they're afraid that if he goes bad, then he's not going to make the company as much money. John Cena. Kind of thing. Now, granted, I well that well, yeah, there the it's the it's that it's the John Cena effect. Yeah. Because I can't necessarily say John Cena only. Because it was never actually proven that way. Because, like, yeah, sure, John Cena turned heel, but this is also like his last time he's gonna be in WWE. So niggas is buying this shit regardless. Which is fucking stupid, but whereas with Cody, and it's one of those things where I don't know why they feel this way, because it's like I feel as if that WWE does this thing right now where it maybe it's just because of the fact that it's not WWE and I which I personally don't think it is, it's just TKO. TKO isn't looking at, all right, let's see how did we do this back in the day? Um, how did we do this in the past? Oh, oh, that's how they did it in the past, all right. Yeah, because the shit that happened in the past still can work right fucking now. They but they would rather, no, instead of like trying to make that shit work, um, we're just gonna do what we know is gonna make the money at this very moment, and that's their problem. And because of the fact that, you know, the women's division isn't woody woody woo up here uh compared to the guys' division. People like Rhea, they kind of have that leeway where they can kind of do what they want to do a little bit, and they don't have to worry about that whole factor of well, if the people get tired of Rhea, fine, then Rhea will get tired of the fucking people. Cause she can fucking do that, she's got that flexibility. Like, you know, like she she's got it, she's fine, but like, you know, and but it's like for Cody Rhodes, we know Cody Rhodes could be a heel, he's been a heel in the WWE before. And when Cody Rhodes was doing some of his best work in New Japan, as a fucking heel, it was he was a heel. Fuck the revival, and so it's like I but you know, Sesame Street Levesque, as they call him, you know, it's uh it's just gonna keep it boring, and we're just gonna keep on guessing and not giving a fuck, unfortunately. And uh yeah, that's that's where I'm at with it. That's where I'm at with it.

SPEAKER_03 1:08:20

Cody versus Randy Orton isn't exciting right now. Uh CM Punk versus Roman Reigns isn't exciting. I am definitely not excited for Liv Morgan versus Stephanie Valkyrie because it's just like which is sad, yeah, because these are definitely great women in the ring. And Rhea versus Jade is not exciting. So now we have to hope that the other matches on the card make Mania a little bit better. Like more sustainable, actually.

SPEAKER_05 1:08:52

It's not gonna happen.

SPEAKER_03 1:08:53

It's not, but you you have to hope. Like Trick William versus Sami Zayn, it won't be a bad match. I truly uh don't think it will be a bad match. But it's not one we actually asked for, you know. Um it's kind of like going to your grandma's house and your grandma made this meal that you're like, oh, I mean, I I eat it, but I ain't really want it, you know. Um, but we we say this, guys, is that WrestleMania definitely isn't appealing right now, but we can only hope that something good comes out of this.

SPEAKER_02 1:09:31

Listen, the the day that I'm gonna hope for WrestleMania to have something good come out of it is the day I'm gonna be like, man, I cannot wait for AEW to give me great story. And the crazy thing is, and maybe I am just crazy, or maybe this is me hoping for WrestleMania to be good. I think AEW can give us a great story, but you know what? WrestleMania could also be the greatest show on earth, so yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:09:59

Last thing we definitely want to take a moment to talk about is Vengeance Day and NXT because that happened last night. Very interesting matches. We can go into the you did see it, right? We watched it together, you know what I'm saying? I'm just saying, making sure you get this face like, well, why are we talking about? I was like, uh fused. I know you didn't get a chance to see the first match, which was I saw enough of it.

SPEAKER_02 1:10:23

I saw what was necessary. Well, now it's the fact that ass.

SPEAKER_03 1:10:27

That uh uh uh uh what's her name one Blake Moreau with uh slamming her on the diamonds, yes. Uh it was a very physical match. I'll give it to uh Miss Parker. Um there was a point where she slammed her ass on her through a table, which I was like, why? All right, I mean we we get it. Your your ass is big, but we we're not trying to use it as a I know her morning movies uh the uh the hypnotic. That I understand that's one of her, I think it's signatures or finisher. Okay, um, but the slam like when she did it, the way she slammed her on the table, like she almost hurt herself worse than she would have hurt Blake Monroe. Like, because you know you're not supposed to give your own, you're not supposed to sandbag nobody. But the way she did it is like, yeah, she touched a little bit of her and her neck hit almost the table, and I was like, oh, you you almost fucked yourself.

SPEAKER_02 1:11:23

When it came to this match, like for me, it was like uh like to me, this match was for Miss Parker more than anything. This was like a all right, Miss Parker, let's see what you got type situation. Because Blake Munro needs to go ahead and just be sent to the fucking main roster.

SPEAKER_03 1:11:46

Why when you already have another one or in Tiffany, uh Tiffany Stratton?

SPEAKER_02 1:11:50

Because Blake Munro is better. Yes, I fucking said that shit. I prefer Blake Munro over a Tiffany Stratton any day. Plus, Tiffany Stratton is modern day Barbie girl, while Blake Munro is glamour and glitz. All right, there's a difference between the two, and I like Blake Munro better. And because, considering how you would say you want to put them two and two. Remember when Blake Munro, uh, wait, what was she called back in AEW? Uh yeah, remember when Mariah May was the champion on AEW and she gave that fucking amazing match where she lost the title to your favorite? Tony Storm, yeah. I'm sure you remember all that. Oh, yeah. That was the same. Yeah, you remember how fucked. Yeah, yeah, how fucked. Yeah, yeah. We need that.

SPEAKER_03 1:12:44

We're not gonna get that in WWE, though.

SPEAKER_02 1:12:47

I'm not saying that we're not going to get it. I'm just saying we need that on the main roster.

SPEAKER_03 1:12:55

We do, and that's the issue. You're not gonna get that. Even if you get a Mariah Mayo over there, you're not gonna get that quality of story from WWE because they don't know how to fucking make story. I mean, shit. Hopefully, maybe we may get better story because you know, Road Dog's not there now, but uh I don't know.

SPEAKER_02 1:13:14

But see, that saying the fact that we're gonna get better story because Road Dog is gone, it doesn't matter who they got rid of, is who they're putting in his seat. And until, you know, until we get who we're putting in his seat, it it won't matter. It's like, you know, it I mean, granted, it'll help, but it's not going to matter. Like, but the main thing that I'm saying is the fact that, like, to me, the way that I saw this was just the fact of, especially considering where I've seen Mariah May, aka Blake Monroe, this match is beneath her, okay? Which is the reason why she won. Like, sure, she she she dropped her on a bunch of diamonds. This bitch has dropped bitches on glass, all right.

SPEAKER_03 1:14:04

Again, that's one of the reasons you probably won't get that kind of match, but storyline, we hopefully can get something like that.

Closing Thoughts And Next Guest Tease

SPEAKER_02 1:14:10

And and no, I'm not talking about the fucking match itself, but I'm just talking about the presentation and what Mariah May has, the star power that she possesses. She was an AEW women's champion. She freaking set the bar for the women in AEW on the way out. And so it's like her doing this is my to me, it was like this match was kind of like, all right, Mariah May, you're already uh uh money made. We're actually just waiting for some space to clear up on the main roster so we can just throw you in there.

SPEAKER_03 1:14:48

So but that's the issue I have though when it comes to WWE and their roster. They have their set chips, they have their queen, their king. Nobody can turn into that. Everybody else is pawn. Maybe you have a rook, you may have a knight, but like they're not trying to make anybody elevate it to the next level until they're done with that person. Because, like, you got your Rias, you got your EOs, you got your Charlotte's, you got your Elixir Bliss, you have your solid people, right? They're not trying to make anybody else up to that caliber. They're not. I don't see it happening. I see they're very content with who that who is up in that caliber. And then, yeah, you might get a match against them or whatever, but that person's still going over, right? And and and this is why, and I want to make this apparent for, I don't know if it's this episode or next episode, but a lot of people keep complaining about, and I think we briefly talked about it, but a lot of people keep complaining about the attitude era and why isn't uh games being made off of the ruthless aggression era, the PG era, or whatever. Is you know why? It's because everybody in the attitude era could be a world champion if you gave them that like moment to shine. You could put a D'Lo Brown in a match with a fucking Austin, and that could possibly happen. You could have put a Mark Henry in the situation and that could have happened. Maybe not Gangrail, but like you you see what I mean.

SPEAKER_01 1:16:16

Like everyone let's not disrespect Gangrail.

SPEAKER_03 1:16:18

No, no, no, no, no, no. I'm not trying to disrespect Gangrail, I'm just like it wouldn't be as believable. It'd be like a okay, I'll I'll I'll go I'll go on the ride. What's what's what is what are you about to take me here? But like everybody on that roster was undeniable. You cannot say that the entire roster was undeniable. And and this is why I say I want to save this for maybe a because this is definitely going to be a deep dive. Because I want to get your perspective on it, but we could just lean into this. Everybody keeps saying, why are we not doing a ruthless aggression era of a game or situation? And then I sat there for a second and thought about the ruthless aggression era. There were only maybe a handful of people who made the ruthless aggression era what it was, to my eyes. And maybe that's kind of why it's difficult for WWE to do that because you can't do a ruthless aggression without Chris Benoit.

SPEAKER_02 1:17:18

You just can't. I mean, he was a big piece of that. He was a very big piece of that. I don't think that's I wouldn't say that's like a whole reason.

SPEAKER_03 1:17:29

It's not the whole reason. No, it's not. It's just you can't do it without at least talking about him because he's in a lot of the biggest matches of that era.

SPEAKER_02 1:17:39

I mean, no, you're right. I mean, because like uh, yeah, no, no, I I mean, just just just to save the banter for a later time. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I I can agree. I see where you're coming from, but like, yeah, there's there's plenty of reasons why. So I get it.

SPEAKER_03 1:17:56

But you know, somebody was just make I forgot what the guy name is. It's like uh he's making a video about about it of like, why do we keep doing the attitude era? Era to era, like everybody that's probably gonna get the game that's part of the attitude era in their 40s. And I'm like, well, we're also gonna be the ones that's gonna buy the goddamn game. And uh two, the ruthless aggression era situation is what I brought up. It's like you got your Edie Gorilla, you got your your your your John Cena, you got your Brock, you got you know, uh your Rey Mysterio, just a select few that made that era pop. So I would love to deep dive and get your perspective on the Ruthless Aggression era because you got the chance to watch more of it than I could because of my situation in my younger years and being not able to watch wrestling for a certain time frame, but another era that holds pop culture, by the way, pop culture, like the attitude era did. There is no era, and I'm gonna leave it with that. So uh going back into uh Vengeance Day, because we gotta finish that before we wrap it up. So Blake Monroe versus Jay Parker, we got the result of Blake Monroe winning, and then after that, I believe it was What's the girl from the culling? That was a later match. I could have sworn that was the next match.

SPEAKER_02 1:19:30

Oh no, the next match was the street fight with uh Tony and uh so it I don't even think it was supposed to be a street fight, it was supposed to be just a regular match. Yeah, it didn't start off with a really good street fight. But it turned it it started out as a street, so honestly, it was a great fight. The whole thing was great from start to finish. I mean, the build-up even before then has been nice because like that. Yeah, so and that's not to not to dwell on it too hard, but like that is the way, and there are some things because like when we was talking and watching at the same time, there were some things that you're like, why are we doing this in the middle of the pay-per-view? And blah, blah, blah. And the reasons why is because, well, number one, the reasons why you probably feel that way is because you're no longer used to those kind of things happening, because that's used to be what happened in pay-per-views. When you would have a pay-per-view, you used to have backstage segments where someone would start talking about something on the microphone or whatever. You know, in pay-per-views, we used to have, and this is like mainstream pay-per-views, like like WrestleMania's blah blah blah. Like on those kind of pay-per-views, we used to have where a wrestler would come out there and start talking about shit, and and it leads to what's gonna be a match coming on later on down the line. NXT runs pay-per-views, how pay-per-views used to be ran. But as you see, nowadays they fill in all these spots, and they're filling in all these spots because it's it's talking about new talent, which is how you know the whole evolve thing and whatnot. Talk about the current talent that's on the actual show, even though they may not have a match. Everything is purposeful and is pertaining to the actual wrestlers who are part of the show or is going to be part of the show, you know, kind of thing. And that's all being incorporated in the pay-per-view. Now, I can say NXT was a little long-winded on some of the things that they were doing, but that's what pay-per-views used to be. Now, when we watch a pay-per-view where those things used to happen, we get the we'll be right back music playing. Boom, the boom, the boom.

unknown 1:22:42

Boom, boom, boom.

SPEAKER_02 1:22:44

Like that's that's what we're getting now. And unless we paid for, you know, the the the extra tier where we don't get the commercials, what we're then getting is bullshit commercials, which I guess now like I it made me think about like this is why they're called premium live events, not pay-per-views, because pay-per-views, you don't get commercials, but in a premium live event you pay extra, which is the premium, but it's just another live event. So there's commercials where instead of, which is the reason why a lot of things that you were saying about that's not going to happen in WWE doesn't happen, is because these people are not getting this extra push. The only things that's being pushed on premium live events is whatever the matches are that we had. All right. Those are those four matches, is all you're going to get. No backstage segments, no promoting this wrestler, no promoting that over there. We're just wrestling match. All the people who's paying us money so we're going to advertise them. Wrestling match, all the people who's paying us money so we can advertise them. NXT, wrestling match, promo, promo, backstage segment, wrestling match, backstage segment, another backstage segment, promo, another wrestling match, backstage segment, in-ring segment, leading to a match, like it's all based on wrestling, and that's how a pay-per-view should feel. It should be wrestling. How many times did they talk about? Hey, look who's in the crowd, so and so from so-and-so show, so and so, uh Grammy number winning artist rapper guy person, big chains.

SPEAKER_03 1:24:40

Well, you you was you was shooting that one, bro. Like it's but I get what you mean. I get what you mean. You do you do have a point there, and I think, yeah, maybe it it I it's drawn me numb to what WWE's programming is, is you give us four matches and you call that a pay-per-view, and there's no filler in between to keep me interested in going on. So seeing something like a a promo where it's the is about the whole women's NXT title thing, it throws someone like me off because yes, we're so used to the You're used to the current program. Yeah, you're you're you're it's television program, and they're programming you to consume the wrestling that you uh we want you to consume rather than what you are familiar with. Because yes, there would be certain backstage antics back in the you know, attitude era, etc., that would elevate stuff going on. But I feel like that I will say that segment maybe made a little bit long-winded.

SPEAKER_02 1:25:36

Yeah, no, like I I will agree and say the fact that like some of the segments that uh NXT did did kind of go on a little longer than they needed to.

SPEAKER_03 1:25:47

But yeah, they and I think that's probably why it's because they felt long-winded. But granted, even with the NXT pay-per-view, we got like what, six matches, six, five matches, you know, like a regular pay-per-view. Which if you put it like that, it does make it sound like damn, so we're getting the purest version of WWE in NXT.

SPEAKER_02 1:26:09

That's that is NXT is the last bit of real WWE you're going to get right now. Damn. Which is sad. Damn. Cause like Yes. Six matches. Like, what was it? I think the way it used to, like, the way it used to feel is like five matches, at least back when we when you play the game, like four to five matches. That's a regular TV show. A pay-per-view is seven. Is six, seven, maybe an eighth match.

SPEAKER_03 1:26:48

If it was mania.

SPEAKER_02 1:26:49

All right. No, no, no, no, no, no, no. Mania was eight. No, no, man, mania was like eight, nine, sometimes creeping in the tens, which is the reason why we started doing a Mania A and Mania B, because we had so many matches. And now we don't have a fucking enough matches. Like now you gotta buy two sets of. What I want to do, well, it's oh, it's just gonna be a minute because it's WrestleMania, and maybe WrestleMania might do it differently. But like, maybe watch what what was the last pay-per-view we just had?

SPEAKER_03 1:27:23

Uh, you're talking about WWIs?

SPEAKER_02 1:27:25

Yes. Wasn't it it was Elimination Chamber? Yeah, Chamber, yeah. I was about to say, if uh now I don't know if they might take them out.

SPEAKER_03 1:27:34

You talking about Elimination Chambers back in the day. No look at that.

SPEAKER_02 1:27:37

Just the most recent. All right. Well, I was going to say, although they probably took them out now. But if you can remember, how many times were there moments where we're just sitting there and there's literally nothing on TV? And then when you think about those moments where it's just boomed boomed boom, but the where it's Just playing the music and says, We'll be right back. Remember how long those moments fell. Those empty ass moments of literally nothing happening. As long as they would be, those could be two matches. Those could be a match, a backstage segment. Those could be two segments where something's happening in the ring that's leads to something funny or something cool. Or it could just been a whole ass one other match where two guys just really went at it. There's so much dead air on these pay-per-views nowadays that's filled with commercials or just filled with blank, depending on what service you're using. We're using VPNs and watching it on Netflix. And on Netflix, where there's where they have where what I can only assume is they're just showing commercials on like ESPN or whatever the other things are. On Netflix, we're just had we just got the BRB symbol. And so we're sitting there listening to this music.

SPEAKER_03 1:29:16

That's the bathroom break music, bro.

SPEAKER_02 1:29:20

But like, so yeah, well, if that's whatever you want to call it, but it's like there's the difference between a bathroom break and uh I'm gonna take a shit and watch a bunch of uh TikTok videos kind of break. I think one time I think we literally was sitting there and like it was like 15 minutes that we sat there listening to the doom to do, like just just listening to the music. And it was like what the fuck are we doing? So it's just like WWE out here, like NXT is the last bit of what feels like a real pay-per-view you're gonna be getting, you guys. It's it's it's horrible. Tatum Paxley and uh what's her name? Goddamn, um uh oh my god, I can't I don't know why I keep the uh I keep on uh dropping on these ladies and on these people's names. Dame Izzy.

SPEAKER_03 1:30:20

Izzy name, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:30:22

Damn, you just as bad as I am.

SPEAKER_03 1:30:25

I mean, I'll admit it, yeah. But that match, um going back to that one, it was a match.

SPEAKER_02 1:30:37

It was fine. For me, it was one of those things. Uh for me, it was more so the fact I'm like, I just I want them to finally get past this. But of course, because she took the belt, I'm sure there's gonna have to be like we're gonna little bit that's going on. Cause I mean, granted I'm also curious to see what they're gonna do with uh uh uh Tatum, because like Tatum's kind of sort of been on this crazy roller coaster. But she got her get back on uh on Dame. To me, I feel like Izzy Dame is like I don't know, she seemed like she just wasn't on her game that night. Like she's like uh like she's like she still feels like she's like getting this this this new this new girl stink off of her. You know what I'm saying?

SPEAKER_03 1:31:25

Like because like she hasn't flushed out her character.

SPEAKER_02 1:31:29

Her her no, like she hasn't flushed out her in-ring ability. Well, that's what it felt like, but but outside of that, I mean, I'm I'm glad old girl got the belt, because Dame wasn't doing shit with it.

SPEAKER_03 1:31:44

No, and like I said before, the match was a match. It it was uh I know the buildup with the the story between the two and relatively why we should care, especially if they've been back and forth the way you have, and the calling remover hanging from the the faction. But not enough to keep me interested, but it like I said, it was a match. It was a bad match.

SPEAKER_02 1:32:07

If you because I know you don't really watch NXT, if you was following it, because like the whole story was the fact, like, you know, uh Tatum had no friends. Izzy faked being her friend and brought her into the culling, which led to uh her getting which led to uh uh her getting the belt, even though uh uh uh uh led to Tatum getting like the actual heavyweight title, women's title, but O-girl was not cool with it, and then they literally cost her to lose the title because she kind of wasn't following the rules of the culling and everything, so they kicked her to the curve, and when they kicked her to the curve, cost her the belt and all this other stuff, they Izzy uh actually beat her, but then got a one up on her, and that was when old girl took the belt from her. And Izzy's kind of sort of been like chasing them and like hunting them down because like she's like, no, no, no, no, no, you're gonna pay for betraying me like this. And so that's what this was, and now she's now taken something directly from her, and so that's kind of sort of been the little story there, which has been fine. I just I just need them to do something more with Izzy now.

SPEAKER_03 1:33:29

I I would say so too. I think it's about time to move on from it, but again, it was not a bad match.

unknown 1:33:37

Okay.

SPEAKER_03 1:33:38

Um next up was the what was next up after that match?

SPEAKER_05 1:33:45

Um why am I drawing a blank on that next match?

SPEAKER_03 1:33:52

It was it was the the the underground match. Ah, okay. I I literally have it right here. Okay, so underground match was next. Now correct me if I'm wrong, chat. I believe that Raw Underground started the underground nature, and then NXT took it over. And with how this match goes in, we have um Lola Vice is apparently undefeated, has been winning every underground match she has been. She's the underground queen. And for Kalani Jordan to go into this, I was really wanting to make sure that Vice won this because I'm like, you can't call her this name, and then Kalani Jordan comes in here and wins. I I hate when situations like that happen to me where I get introduced to a character, and granted, I I'm familiar with who Lil' Vice is, but like to get introduced and to say, like, yo, you're the best at this thing, and then all of a sudden I come in and I watch her the first time, and that's when you lose, and I'm like, Well, I guess she's not the best. You kept saying that. So I was really hoping that she won that.

SPEAKER_02 1:35:03

So my thing when it came to this match was the fact of there was the reasons why like they almost kind of they almost booked themselves into a situation here, in my opinion. Because Lola Vice is a legitimate killer. Yes, okay, Colonie Jordan, respectfully, is just a gymnast. Alright. Now, granted, they gave her a buy-in, and that was the fact that she did get her hand fucked up prior. Alright. And sure, Kalani also went and tried to train and do a little bit with, you know, uh Summission Magician. Uh Shayna Baszler. Which is interesting. I'm like, like that they're uh they they still give Shayna Baszler some light here.

SPEAKER_03 1:36:04

Even though she's technically released, but she is now a coach and she's still I think that's for stuff for GCW, but continue.

SPEAKER_02 1:36:13

But um which if that's the case, I mean, hey, hell yeah, keep getting your thing, but girl. But like for me with this match, if they would have let Lola take, like Lola, unless they have her go up against somebody else who is as legitimate as her, it's hard. It would kill her character for her to lose in this match. Natty is is is Natty like a black belt in like jujitsu or something?

SPEAKER_03 1:36:49

Which there which there are people who are really good wrestlers in the UFC who have beaten people with taekwondo backgrounds, so it's like credible wrestling can win if you know how like if they did that fight, right? Natty's whole thing would have to be taking her to the ground. She cannot stand up fight. So if they're trying to legitimize that fight, Natty would have to use wrestling the whole match.

SPEAKER_02 1:37:15

So I can almost allow Natty to win.

SPEAKER_03 1:37:24

Yeah, like almost, yeah. But that would be the most believable. But the problem is actually Miss Lyons. Miss Lyons is actually a legit fighter.

SPEAKER_02 1:37:35

Sh yeah, she because she actually does have like black belt and all that good stuff. Yeah, yeah. I mean if she was actually worth a damn right now, um, sure. You know, maybe if they wanted to re-legitimize her, yeah. Um, but when you see what she's doing right now, no, no, no, no, no, no. But like my my issue is the only people who should be going up in there and actually beating Lola Vice in any kind of underground situation is someone who can show me the fact that they have a belt.

SPEAKER_03 1:38:17

Like a martial art belt? Yes. Oh, okay, okay. Come on, bro. Okay, I was making sure. I was making sure. I was making sure. I was making sure.

SPEAKER_02 1:38:25

Lock in. So it's like with Natty, I could I only because of the fact that they have shown her in this new light and she's like kind of sort of devastating a little bit. I feel like her dungeon background, the stud dungeon that that might that that would give me enough to make it semi-believable. And if she definitely did the whole thing where she's taking it to the ground, she's trying to lock her into submission because you know that's that's what she does. I am willing to allow that, and I think they can make that look good.

SPEAKER_03 1:39:00

Like um, like getting her in the arm bar, preventing her from doing her backfist.

SPEAKER_02 1:39:05

Yes, those kind of things, like you know, like when she like when she throws the back fist, she's like uh locks her the you know, like I can see the I can see the low-key legend possibly because she has been shown to have such a ferocity where it makes sense, all right. So it's like they they can they can spin that one. Shoutouts for else.

SPEAKER_03 1:39:27

Shoutouts to 2015, me who he did not like Natalia to be backing Natty in 2026. Uh because I you couldn't get me to say not one good thing about Natalia.

SPEAKER_02 1:39:40

Uh but but yeah, like I mean, match was great, it did what it needed to do. Um that backfit. I really like the easy yeah, the the finish was pretty solid, but they didn't sell it long enough, which is fair. I can agree with that. But and and I think, and like there, but as I always go to, the story going into this match is what made this match worth the time dealing with.

SPEAKER_03 1:40:09

And here's the thing I kind of find as an issue, bro. It kind of sounds like honestly, Kalani was justified in what she was feeling. Like, bro, she's like, look, I became at a champion another promotion, and you bitches started hating on me. Oh, yes.

SPEAKER_02 1:40:24

That part I absolutely that's some hating ass shit. Yeah, no, no, like like the the story behind it, and like I'm like, yeah, no, like y'all did that. Y'all some hating ass bitches. That's y'all some, yeah, that's that's some real hated type shit. All right, whatever. Hey, hey, you know what?

SPEAKER_03 1:40:44

O's in my I was like, damn, bro. So like, yeah, she became because it's like, bro, I gotta defend me and I gotta do shit for me because y'all being haters anyway. But going into that, uh back again, match not bad. The next match, I believe, was um the last match. Last match, yes.

SPEAKER_02 1:41:10

Say his name and he appears.

SPEAKER_03 1:41:12

Joe Henry versus Ricky Saints. Which to me I don't think Ricky I don't think Ricky's ever gonna be believable to me. I I feel like that ship has kind of sailed because cause it's it I think it's a bar a large part of it is his finish. A large part of it is his fucking finish.

SPEAKER_02 1:41:40

Yes. Ricky Saints is Ricky Saints isn't it as far as I'm concerned. Um I've like I didn't really care a whole lot about him in AEW either.

SPEAKER_03 1:41:52

I cared. I in AEW he he kind of had something going.

SPEAKER_02 1:41:57

But like now, what I can get behind right now is where they're about to go with all of this, because Ricky Saints and uh Ethan Page, they've they've kind of been buddy buddy for a little bit, but now that Ethan Page has lost the title, he's thinking like he's now thinking about trying to get back on that heavyweight title spot. And I'm glad he's getting that turned back into this area here, because that that's where Ethan needs to be. Now, granted, I also would really like Ethan Page to go ahead and make his way to the main roster because uh that's where he needs to be, in my opinion. There's so many things that he could be doing.

SPEAKER_03 1:42:46

The raw aftermania, maybe.

SPEAKER_02 1:42:48

But like, I mean, because the fact I'm like eh on Ricky Saints, like this match was the match was fine. I'm not gonna say the match was eh, the match was fine. I like me some Joe Hendry.

SPEAKER_03 1:43:02

So, like, Joe Hendry always does what he needs to do in the match, but like I will say I enjoy the seriousness behind him in this match. Like, he won, he he was doing the stuff for the crowd, but he was like, I'm about to fuck Ricky Saints up. And I kind of like that intensity behind Joe because it doesn't feel like Joe is just doing his gimmick. It felt like, no, he's a champion, and you're not about to disrespect me like you've been disrespecting me, bro. And so whenever he got into the ring, he was like, you know, he does the wave yo hands like side to side, yeah. When he wanted to do that, he was like looking at Ricky like, I don't want to do this right now because I just want to get in the ring and I want to fuck you up. But I'm gonna look at you the whole time I'm doing. And I like that intensity. It made me feel like, okay, Joe is about to, Joe's about to go in on this match. But granted, it was still a match, but I enjoyed the intensity.

SPEAKER_02 1:44:04

I feel there's a part where that feels like you're like I'm I'm glad you're catching up, cuz I feel like I I mean, granted, because you when he was when we was talking, you was telling your wife about Joe Hendry in the past and well, this other stuff. But it's like you're but you also still don't like his character and because it's too jokey for me.

SPEAKER_03 1:44:28

It's it's it's the meme, that is it. It's only the meme, and and then you're not giving him the credibility as a wrestler to me. Like, it's just the meme. That's what I don't like about it. It's like if we can get past the say is and we can get past that and keep it as yes, he has that, but then we actually can go get behind him as a wrestler, I can get behind it more.

SPEAKER_02 1:44:57

I feel as if like it's well for me, when I'm when I'm hearing what you're saying, I feel as if like because it's to me, I feel it's one of those deals where it's like where I think they're both all they've both been there this whole time. Like, yes, people really do like the meme and you know the the character that is Joe Hendry, but the wrestler, even though all that is there, whenever he's in the ring, he's always been there. Like he's not it like that, hasn't been missing. It like even when he was at TNA versus to where he's at right now.

SPEAKER_03 1:45:43

Like I feel his TNA feuds weren't really that great for me, though. And I like I said before, when I was watching him in WCPW and doing all the stuff, like he had great work there. But I think because TNA really didn't have any stars for him to go against to make his feuds look good, because again, he had Mike Santana, he had not saying Nick Nimmuth is bad, but like a lot of those feuds just they just didn't really resonate to me. Maybe that's probably why.

SPEAKER_02 1:46:11

You're having that what I call like that Chavo effect where you know, because Chavo was jobbed out so hard when you see him somewhere else, you're like, yeah, no, he's still just a jobber type situation.

SPEAKER_03 1:46:24

But he wasn't a jobber to me in WCW. That's not WCW, WCPW.

SPEAKER_02 1:46:28

Yes, but he was not great to you when he was in TNA, and that's from when he was in TNA going into uh W or NXT, that is when he made that change from boom to boom. And so you're still stuck on the stank of TNA when it comes to Joe Hendry, that so much stuck on it that like the stuff that he did beforehand, which from what I've seen is not really any different than what the fuck he's doing now. It's just that people like it now even more.

SPEAKER_03 1:47:04

And so it's like I think it's because for me, it's more the meme is is like okay, so if you're balancing the two, the meme is here, and it's like, okay, but like if I can't go anywhere and not hear the meme being thrown at me every two seconds, that's the part that gets me.

SPEAKER_02 1:47:24

I feel you hate him because he made it big now.

SPEAKER_03 1:47:26

No, I don't care about that. But think about it.

SPEAKER_02 1:47:29

Think about what you're saying. Because it's like Joe Hendry has been like skipping before he was a TNA, when you said you used to follow him, he followed the same formats back then. All right, and then when he started getting big, and then his stuff started getting over, that's when you started to be like, nah, I hate it, kind of thing. And it's one of those deals where, which is the wrestling entertainment aspect where he became more entertaining without having to do the wrestling type deal. And so it's like, granted, in the ring, Joe Hendry is still the same Joe Hendry back over here, if anything, stronger, a little bit better, beefier.

SPEAKER_03 1:48:20

That I will I will give him that too. Yeah, he's like great in the ring.

SPEAKER_02 1:48:24

But it's one of those deals, it's almost like uh looking at uh I don't know why this, but I don't know why this came to mind, but it's kind of like the same deal. Looking at Terry Balea the Boulder when he was in fucking New Japan versus Hulk Hogan when he was in WWE, where it's like, yes, Hulk Hogan can do all, he could have done all the wrestling stuff, but he doesn't have to because the gimmick has risen him to stardom, to star power. And because he got his gimmick over, I've it's one of those things that you're letting everyone liking the gimmick, and maybe it's the fact that like the fact that everyone likes his gimmick so much, and the fact that like you just prefer Joe Henry the wrestler, fuck the gimmick type situation. Like, that's where I'm all like, maybe you're like it, you're not you have not gotten acclimated to him actually being popular because of what he because he's always been that Joe Henry, he's always done the whole singing shtick where he'll you know like when he like when he did stuff in R ROH, I think he was going against a couple of people, he would make songs for every opponent.

SPEAKER_03 1:49:43

Yes, yeah. That that was always interesting to me. And I think I guess but but he's and he still does that. He still does that, yes. It's like I said, it became where you remember how RK Out of Nowhere was like every fucking thing, and I think to me, when

SPEAKER_02 1:50:00

it kind of goes back into where uh the joke you mentioned before we talked about joke where it was uh Cody Rhodes using the Raheem part it's like ah it's not fun anymore it's like because you you're abusing it too much or you're doing it too much I feel like it's that to me with it because it's like everywhere I go it's it's being tossed in my face and it's like bro like I get it I get it can we just back the fuck up a little bit listen you you you was not ready for Joe Hendry to pop that's what it was I guess so you you weren't you weren't ready for that Joe you weren't ready for Joe Hendry to take over and and be as big as he is my my curiosity with him in the future is like okay I I really don't want him to go to main roster and be like a comedy act so because he he definitely won't be in the realms of going against a Seth Rollins but the thing is I I can see that I can see him as he could and and it's one of those deals where it's it's all on how you do the story and how you book him kind of thing because like he can be in the main event hell you can literally take exactly what he's doing right now and you can make him a heel honestly I would I actually saw him as a heel originally more than a good guy kind of thing. You know what I'm saying? I could see going some distances kind of thing just like because you know this whole you know like because the like just the way that him like the way he boosts himself and you know and all this other stuff and you know believing in him and this dan the other you know like there is there is plenty of ways that you can run Joe Hendry kind of thing.

SPEAKER_01 1:52:00

And so it's just are you smart enough to run Joe Hendry the right way.

SPEAKER_02 1:52:06

Just like with Ricky Saints I feel there's plenty of ways you can run with Ricky and I think Ricky is currently in the space that he should be in it's but he's one of those ones where I'm like I prefer his character over his wrestling I don't think he's a bad wrestler but like I wish he was a different wrestler.

SPEAKER_03 1:52:32

I think that's what it is for me with Joe because you know like I am I prefer his wrestling over the thing. So it's like well you say you like uh Ricky Sate's character better than his wrestling I don't know if it's similar to that for me.

SPEAKER_02 1:52:48

Maybe or maybe it's not which that's what I was kind of that's what I was trying to say okay okay like you you like Joe Hendry as a wrestler and you prefer and and what got Joe Hendry over for you was his wrestling as opposed to his gimmick. But in the acceptance yeah in the world of wrestling entertainment if you can get the gimmick over you don't have to wrestle and so granted he still does but it's like the gimmick is what's if you can get the gimmick over you can do anything.

SPEAKER_03 1:53:24

And so and I think that that is is a as a wrestling fan um with social media involved that is also what it is too because again you know coming from the era we enjoyed wrestling we didn't have as much social media presence to everything I mean granted it's pop culture and stuff like that and being thrown down our voices uh thrown out our vo uh throats the the gimmick of a character more than the actual wrestling and now the gimmick is what drives the wrestler more than anything I think it's just a new era of enjoying wrestling for me and I think going into this year as we are now on episode 53 going into a whole new year into or technically you can call this a new season. You can call this a new season if you want to but it's interesting to see where wrestling is currently at and the possibility of what it could be I mean with this mania the stank of this mania would it make it make would it make the year better? Like would the would the year get better after mania because you know we always say let's get rid of the mania and hopefully next the the rest of the year can get better or do you feel like even mania we still gonna have the stank nah it it it has to get worse before it gets better and I don't think it's peaked yet.

SPEAKER_02 1:54:51

So oh you don't think the worst is peaked yet no no no no it's it's gonna get worse we haven't we ain't we ain't peaked yet well outside of that do we still have Raision as our our next guest oh yeah no okay okay okay cool well next episode we're gonna have razon here he's gonna tell us his story and uh you know you being a part of well technically it's manager correct no i'm I'm not a manager I am uh the social media guy I wouldn't even say the social media guy I I guess you there's there's really not an actual title for it I have not given myself a title of sorts um I I guess you could say the the the official uh documentor I would say I record what happens at ringside so whatever you want to call that later on I'll I'll think of a name for it okay should be a manager but anyway um that is just what I say but looking forward to having him here and being able to to get more of his story is pretty much our next episode but uh aside from that do you got any ending or you got any summary of how you've been feeling with New Japan NXT what's going on with WWE and Mania I mean New Japan and NXT are fine. They're just uh New Japan and NXT are fine.

SPEAKER_03 1:56:22

Uh I still can't speak too much on New Japan just yet because once again like we're I'm I'm still young in it and so we're gonna see where this tournament goes NXT has been straight though like I got no complaints well if that's the case I don't really have much to say either but as always guys you know every week we have a new episode here at the Big Brothers of Destruction podcast where the ring is sacred the questions are always real and destruction is guaranteed. So until next time it's your host who likes to post the Masaku. It's your boy Swag Switch in the building and we'll see you guys next time