WrestleMania Night Two was...Actually Good!

WrestleMania 42 Night 2 had us feeling something we didn’t expect after that rough first night: actual momentum. We get into why the show works when it slows down and tells a story, and why it falls apart when WWE leans too hard into ads, short main cards, and presentation choices that make big matches feel smaller than they should. If you’ve been asking why WrestleMania doesn’t always feel like “the grandest stage” anymore, we’re right there with you.

We break down Oba Femi vs Brock Lesnar and why a huge win can still feel weird when the booking steals the spotlight right after the bell. From there we hit the Intercontinental ladder match, the frustration around jobber entrances, and what it says about who WWE wants you to treat like a star. Then we talk Sami Zayn vs Trick Williams and the Lil Yachty factor, plus the bigger question of celebrity involvement in pro wrestling and what it takes to earn respect from wrestling fans.

The second half is where the night really turns: Demon Balor vs Dominik Mysterio delivers, Rhea Ripley vs Jade Cargill shocks us with a match that’s way better than expected, and Roman Reigns vs CM Punk gives us the wrestling psychology and main event feel we want from a WrestleMania closer. We also rant about something we miss in modern WWE: selling, exhaustion, and finishes that look like a war actually happened.

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Transcript

Cold Open And Going Live

SPEAKER_03 0:02

Yeah, it's you two for two. But not not no crookedness. You know what I'm saying? Thank you.

SPEAKER_01 0:16

Thank you. Okay, sound good. It does sound pretty good.

SPEAKER_02 0:26

Oh no, that was no, there ain't no pool. Welcome guys, welcome, welcome, welcome, welcome before we get things started. You know what I'm saying? We gotta get to the tote.

SPEAKER_00 0:37

We have to pull from the demons.

SPEAKER_02 0:53

Must come properly prepared. That it is WrestleMania night two. We're gonna go ahead and just do it live, guys. Three, two, one.

Night Two Finally Delivers

SPEAKER_02 1:06

Welcome to another episode of the Big Brothers of Destruction podcast. Sugoy, it's the Masoku.

SPEAKER_03 1:14

See that that is so much better. Like, I like this will be the last time I glaze it, but like that, like that is just I'm glad you fucking found it.

SPEAKER_02 1:27

And man, as every wrestler, you know, you gotta find your thing, I guess, you know.

SPEAKER_03 1:30

That being said, it's your boy. Slack switch in the building.

SPEAKER_02 1:35

And uh, guys, night two of Mania was actually good. You know, you technically cut the video off right here, just saying that, but WrestleMania 42 was actually a pretty decent night. I think the stinker of WrestleMania night one really gave us that bad taste in our mouth to say, man, is this pay-per-view really going to be ass? And interestingly enough, it actually was good. And some people actually were saying this online earlier in today that night one was TKO Mania.

SPEAKER_03 2:11

Yeah, I I saw that.

SPEAKER_02 2:13

I but uh it was still ad mania, though. That that that is not we're not taking it away. As you can see in the thumbnail, this was ad mania, okay?

SPEAKER_03 2:28

Listen, take away the ads, take away all these commercials and stuff like that. If you took night one and night two and put it into night, it would have actually felt like a conclusive pay-per-view, to be honest with you. It would have felt like a mania. Yes, it would have actually felt like WrestleMania. Like having, and I think maybe that's what's one of the things I feel that's really missing when it comes to how like WrestleMania used to be versus where it is now. WrestleMania, there was a bunch of matches on the card. You know, you knew some of them were gonna be fucking, you know, like looking at paint dry, but then there was also gonna be your fucking star matches kind of thing. And when you have them clumped together, you know, it kind of helps lessen the blow of having one night full of shitty matches and then having another night full of not as shitty matches. Cause maybe when I wake up, when I go to bed, sleep on and wake up tomorrow, I can say whether or not if this wrestle if night two was truly a better WrestleMania, or if I'm just like night two was twice as better than what night one gave us, and night one was really, really bad.

Ads And The Four Match Problem

SPEAKER_02 3:48

Here's the thing, I'm also mad about this mania. All WWE's pay-per-views are now four matches. That is it. Every pay-per-view is four matches. They technically did that shit here by giving us two matches before the main show. Three. But when you get to the actual card on the PLE, it's still four matches. Yeah, yeah. It is still four matches.

SPEAKER_03 4:20

Damn. Yeah, they they pulled the wool over our eyes on that one. So you thinking you they disguised it as like, no, no, no, you're getting what, four or five? You're getting six matches. When really what we actually got was a pre-show, a pre-show, and then four matches that were short as hell.

SPEAKER_02 4:38

I want y'all to name me one mania that was four matches. Name one. Besides the most recent one, besides last year. Yeah, but there's no way a manium is four matches.

SPEAKER_03 4:53

Well, it shouldn't be. It definitely is a fucking mania. It's it's this WrestleMania is meant to be the showcase of the immortals, it's supposed to be the grandest stage of them all, kind of thing. It's the big one. And the thing that I'm not gonna let go. And I I wonder if they know this. I wonder if Rusef knows that he got Jobber entrance. Oh yeah. He's aware. Like, I like when you when you look at how they set that shit up. Javon Evans, Rey Mysterio, Pinta, was it just JD, JD. Wait, he got entrance? No, I don't think. No, no, no. No, I'm talking about who got the entrances. Oh, it was Rey Mysterio, Penta, um JD Fadunnen was in that match too. So well, yeah, he was in the match. So he got job, he got the jobber entrance. Yeah, okay. No, hold on, because I actually literally six guys.

SPEAKER_02 5:52

So if you're telling me if Dragon, Ray, Penta, and Javon got entrances, yeah, those two are jobbers.

SPEAKER_03 5:59

Yeah, no, the only ones who got interests was Rey Mysterio, Javon Evans, and Penta. They got they got entrances. Everybody else, after the 15-minute commercial break, they were just already in the ring. And so I'm like, for this match that Rey Mysterio said could steal the show now. Rey Mysterio said that this could be the one, this could be the match that takes the show over. And y'all didn't give them an entrance on WrestleMania, bro. Ah I don't, I don't know, fam.

Oba Femi Vs Brock Squash

SPEAKER_02 6:37

But before we get into that, we do have to go to the first match of the night, which heavily hyped. You know, every m every time they bumped into each other on Raw, overly hyped. These were moments where you're like, man, you can't wait till you get this match. And boy, you was really hoping they would deliver. Black Twitter obviously made sure that we knew that this match, Oba had to win. Otherwise, Triple H, you was in trouble. And then Oba Femi walked down that ramp. And the absolute aura that man had. I don't think Goldberg has ever gotten a chance of Goldberg in a WrestleMania that hard. But boy, Oba, just oh, everybody in the arena screaming, oh, but I love that. I love that. So all that. And we get to the point where they're in the ring. The match is going with Brock, and it's kind of your typical Brock match with somebody he's really trying to put over. Gets a little bit of offense, looks powerful. Brock gets a little bit of offense, hits you with an F5. But Brock, after the F5, Obak gets right the fuck back up. He eats it. It's it's not even affecting him. And then Oba goes off and then hits him with the fall of uh fall of grace, right?

SPEAKER_03 8:04

Yes.

SPEAKER_02 8:05

Fall of grace. Powerbomb. And it's over immediately. Squash match. I think it was like five, six minutes.

SPEAKER_03 8:14

I think maybe it was five, six minutes. It was definitely short. Oh, it was hella short. I was still cooking my steak. Bro, it was easily under ten minutes that match. Easily under ten. So going into this WrestleMania, after we had the absolute shit show that we had last night, um I'm sure I can speak for us both that there were absolutely zero expectations of any kind going into this pay-per-view.

SPEAKER_02 8:47

Well, we I still had expectations that Oba and Brock will deliver, but that's crazy. But it was just the the power alone of like Oba winning that match, right? That alone, if the pay-per-view is asked, I can be happy about that.

SPEAKER_03 9:04

You know, it's like a double-edged sword for me right now. Cause it's like I feel as if I was it's like when you asked for something and you annoyed your parent about getting it, and then they finally say, fine, you can have it, and they just fucking shove it in your face. You mean uh hear damn? It it's kind of hear damn, but more like here, shut the fuck up, kind of thing. So it's it's like it's like asking for something, and your mom's like, Oh, you want this? Alright, fine. And she puts it in a fucking bowl, she makes it and throws it at you, splashes on your fucking shirt, and you're like, there, eat that shit. And she walks away, and you're sitting there with tears in your eyes, like, I got I I wanted this bowl of food, but but now my feelings are hurt because like was it worth me getting this for now my my for my superior to be so upset with me? And that's kind of how I feel about this match. It's all like, yes, I wanted Oba Femi to win, but then it's like he wins, and now I'm like, fuck, at what cost did I want him to win? Because y'all gave me the W, but the W doesn't feel like it meant anything. That match felt like it meant nothing.

SPEAKER_02 10:24

The only reason why, for sure, is because Brock Lesnar retires afterwards by removing his gloves, removing his boots, and leaving the ring. So then therefore, Rob's the moment of Ova Femi. Same way when Roman beat Undertaker, it robs the win.

SPEAKER_03 10:49

I don't think so on that one. Okay. When Undertaker lost to Roman Reigns, because of the higher excuse me, because of the higher story that was going, goodness me, soda, but because of the higher story that was going. So because I can't, because the bump. No, it was just funny. But uh, it's like with the way that the story was going on with the Undertaker and Roman Reigns type situation that was going on, I don't think, because and and I was there for that WrestleMania. No, you wasn't. And so it's like, I don't think what well, I mean, granted, wait, Oba Fimmy.

SPEAKER_02 11:27

Oba Phi wants Roman Reigns by the end of the year. This was uh apparently a breaking news, WWE news, like apparently Oba Fi. Oh, this was on the on the post show. Well, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 11:40

Listen, shit does happen. Things do happen on the post show. We just don't sit there and watch it. But with the point that I was trying to make is the fact that, like, now granted, also, Undertaker didn't fucking retire, but like, yeah, I don't think when Undertaker like got beat by Roman Reigns and da da da. That for all intents and purposes, that what happened where Undertaker took his stuff off, left it in the ring, and da da da. That was part of the whole process of that match, because you know, Undertaker was looking like he was already on the way out at that time. So it's like it went with it. Brock Lesnar losing to Oba Femi and then just retiring on the fucking spot. That that had nothing to do. If you look at all the build up we had going leading to this, that had nothing to do with shit.

SPEAKER_00 12:30

It had nothing to do with shit.

SPEAKER_02 12:31

So, like, so you're saying, like, as if it would have been a simple situation where Oba was like, you know, challenging him and Brock said, you know what? Man, I'm tired of losing you, man. If I lose you, I don't need to be in this ring anymore. And so he loses, and therefore it's a stipulation to it in his in his mindset that if I lose to this man, then obviously I'm not the beast anymore or something like that. Rather than just yes, popping out of nowhere with it.

SPEAKER_03 12:56

Absolutely. And because then at that point, I've been like, well, damn. Yes, Oba Femi retired Brock Lesnar. Okay? No, Oba Femi did not retire Brock Lesnar tonight. Oba Femi beat Brock Lesnar and then Rock Brock Lesnar said, like, yeah, I'm done with wrestling. I'm gonna go wrong. So like, let me stay your shine, nigga. Personally, to me, that's what it feels like. Oba Femi had all this buildup into this match. We make Oba Femi look super big. Brock Lesnar's backpedaling, da da da. We get to the match. Oba Fimi is overly dominant against Brock Lesnar. No one does that against Brock Lesnar. Brock Lesnar loses. Oba Femi hits his pose and he leaves. And then Brock Lesnar completely steals that shine and retires. And has this whole long drawn-out thing while Oba Fimi is gone. And it's not so much Oba Femi lost to Brock Lesnar, it's Brock Lesnar retired at WrestleMania.

SPEAKER_02 13:54

I'm mad that because this thing could you could have done this, man. After this map, Brock will be so mad, so upset, he goes back straight. He goes on the maniac, he goes on the raw after mania, and it says, Yo, Oba, I want to rematch.

SPEAKER_03 14:11

Ayo, Jimmy, Jimmy Rosa, Oba is the real beast. ESPN. It sucks. Yes. Yes. Yes, it does. It does. It really sucks.

SPEAKER_02 14:23

But say this would have been a better idea. Monday night, Raw, next night. You know, Paul Heyman's out there with Brock. The Brock actually grabs the mic and says, Yo, Oba, I want a rematch. He pulls a Shawn Michaels. Where remember how Shawn Michaels is at the war show and says, I could beat you, Taker. I want more time. One more chance. And you build this shit up to SummerSlam. Where you see Brock going crazy at a gym. Brock is like pulling some like anime, like training, right? Whole arc of that. And he thinks he's ready to face Oba. And then we get to SummerSlam, and Oba beats him again. And that's when Brock can be like, no, he's actually the beast now. Like, and that's when he could have retired. Just you could have given just one more and build that matchup to SummerSlam. And you get Oba in Imbrock part two. And that's when he retires. Because then he will put that, like, he keeps, like, say at certain other Rawls where Oba keeps overpowering him. And then Paul Heyman comes up and says, I'm really worried about this. You know, this is nice. No, I got something. And he goes out to ring and before like we get halfway to that build, that's when he lets us know. It's like, if I can't be Oba, I'm done. Or something, like he says, something of that nature. So now it puts that stipulation of when you get to SummerSlam, and if Brock loses, Brock is done. So then when he loses, now it's like, damn, I really lost. I really feel like it would have been made, it would have made more sense for SummerSlam.

SPEAKER_03 16:13

It would have made sense for SummerSlam if SummerSlam was a month away from now. When what some what we are we are smack dab in the middle of April, okay?

unknown 16:24

Right?

SPEAKER_03 16:27

It's April 19th, right? We're at the end of April going into May. June, July, August. Three months. You dropped it. Already fell, bro. Already fell. Where is it? I just don't want to accidentally step on it. You go. I got it. Dropping shit. Anyway, because if we did something like that, then we're then we're now going into fucking uh goddamn pesca and okay area where we're just just unnecessarily drawing this shit out. Because by the time SummerSlam comes here, like I don't care anymore.

SPEAKER_02 17:06

Oba Femi should be doing something better at this point. So let me ask you a question now. How did you feel about when John Cena and Ra did it? What are you talking about? Oh, when they had that match the first mania. As a person who went to the once-in-a-lifetime WrestleMania? Hold up, hold up. Not that part. The fact that they gave us the build for an entire year of shaking hands and saying, hey, we're gonna see each other at WrestleMania the next one. Remember how we had that whole the net the raw afterwards? They shook hands and said, I'll see you at Mania.

SPEAKER_03 17:38

And we had to wait the whole Well, so here's the thing. As once again, a person who was there for the once-in-a-lifetime WrestleMania match of John Cena versus Dwayne the Rfucking Johnson. That shit was ass. You know why? Because that was supposed to be a once-in-a-lifetime situation. That was supposed to happen one time, never again. And you know what happened now? When you look at that in hindsight, they have two, they've had two matches, and we never got the third to see who was the better person. Which now completely just you know, no, no, it was bad then, it'd be bad right fucking now.

SPEAKER_01 18:24

Okay, that nigga's casting about that shit.

SPEAKER_02 18:29

Listen, I pay money to see this, which is what half of these people have said to say about how short this manual was. You know, as a person who's been to mania multiple times, and I've worked one, how does it feel knowing that when you went there, you was there for damn near eight hours, and you you got your money's worth. Y'all motherfuckers in Vegas was there for only six matches, technically, but really it was four.

SPEAKER_03 19:01

I mean, unless they double dipped and doubled down on the prices and went both nights, then collectively they were there for almost eight hours. No, because both maniors were like an hour and thirty. Uh that's right. Well, three hours. It was a three-hour bit. So they was there for six hours when you put them together. So, as they always, as as they did the the attendance, which was what was it, the the the combined attendance was 100 and uh 100. 106?

SPEAKER_02 19:30

Yeah, 106.

SPEAKER_03 19:31

Which, for all attends and purposes, the way it sounds like this the people who was there yesterday are the exact same people who came back the next day. Nothing more, nothing less on those. Okay, bro. When you because what was it? It was like, well, so if it was 50 last yesterday, and then the combined was 106,000, that means only 6,000 more people, roughly, rounding it up or rounding it down, I should say. 6,000 more people roughly came to night two that did not come to night one. Yeah. So it's like, but outs, but for all intents and purposes, every so everyone who was there on night one showed up exactly for night two, and like six, seven thousand more people showed up afterwards.

SPEAKER_02 20:23

And so now I wonder, you know, this is just this is just random now. Because we were just talking about numbers. You know how since Bianca's child was considered another attendant, is WWE gonna start like when people come above.

SPEAKER_03 20:38

Oh, you know, they're gonna start counting pregnant people as I mean they'd make a lot of money off of that. It's like, oh wait, you're pregnant? All right, so you gotta pay for two tickets. You gotta pay for hey, you uh you carry for two, you sit for two, you pay for two.

SPEAKER_02 21:02

All right, as a as a big man and already having situations where that's happened on a plane, bro.

SPEAKER_03 21:09

That's the most devastating. Listen, don't don't listen, don't be a big girl and be pregnant. Oh, you're done. Oh, oh god, bro.

SPEAKER_02 21:18

Anyway,

Brock Retirement Debate And Fixes

SPEAKER_02 21:19

yeah, nah, that'd be some real wild shit. But to get back to this match, the match was very fast, and it was ruined for Oba's moment because Brock retired. Now, granted.

SPEAKER_03 21:33

Personally, that's what I say. That that's how I feel. Like, okay, sure, whatever. Let's so, and I think also for me, because of the fact that like I don't care too much about Brock Leston, because I'm like, you know, you know, he's a dude who likes to watch people pee, right? Like, that's he's into that shit. Allegedly, I guess.

SPEAKER_02 21:53

I'm not gonna kink Shane because I'm not gonna say too much about myself, but.

SPEAKER_03 22:00

So you like watching niggas pee?

SPEAKER_02 22:06

Nah, he just drank pee. He just drank pee.

SPEAKER_03 22:10

Anyway. I can't get fully behind Brock Lesnar these days. Because that nigga like watching people pee is crazy. That's literally what you just said, nigga. Bro, because of his involvement with the Janelle Grant case, I can't co-sign Brock Lesnar, really. All right. That's a way it is. That's a very, you know what? I'm I'm it is what it is. Like, I like because let cause I mean, sure, he never touched her, but according to the case files, allegedly it was supposed to be lined up where he was supposed to link up with this chick and do the things.

SPEAKER_02 22:42

For for a nigga to be named the beast, that's the most that shit makes sense. I'm sorry, I'm still stuck on that because it's crazy that you like this nigga because of that. You don't like him because he likes watching people think. That is the most beast thing ever, though.

SPEAKER_00 23:01

That because he's a beast.

SPEAKER_03 23:12

If that's what he's into, he's into. What how does the saying goes? We listen and we don't judge. Sure, but with the context of the case and everything, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. The intentions behind it and whatnot, like like we're all wrestling fans here. We're not stupid. We know what's happening with the Vince McMahon situation. All right, just go ahead right there, right there on the bush.

SPEAKER_01 23:41

Anyway, let's talk about this second match.

SPEAKER_03 23:47

Just to put the ending stamp on it, sure, that the first match, I mean, I sh shame on me for expecting more out of a Brock Lesnar Oba Femi match. Considering what I've seen Oba Femi do in, I don't know, NXT, just not even like four months ago. Like, seeing as one looking at the last match he had on NXT and then looking at his performance in in on WrestleMania, I'm like, all right, Oba Femi, let's let's start like doing Oba Femi shit, please. And I get it, it's Brock Lesnar. You can only do so much with Brock Lesnar. Uh yay, he's retiring. May he you know enjoy watching other people piss in his own time now. So that's that's kind of sort of where I'm at with that. Like it was a eh at best match for me.

Ladder Match And Missing Entrances

SPEAKER_02 24:39

Not a eh, but uh that's not like next match is the six-man intercontinental ladder match. Or in a uh for the intercontinental title. It has Rey Mysterio, Pentagon, excuse me, Penta, uh Javon Evans, JD Madonna, McGunna, and Mick Dunna. McDonough, excuse me, uh, and Russif and Dragon League. Unfortunately, Dragon League, Russof, JD, both, all three of them. Bro, Jobbert entranced, and that's unfortunate. Very unfortunate. But this match, to me, from the caliber of matches we'd be getting all weekend, this was okay. It wasn't grand, it was okay. It was better of a match than again anything on night one. Easy.

SPEAKER_03 25:44

Yeah, no, I would easily say that the intercontinental title match was better than the entirety of night one short of the main event. Short of the main event.

SPEAKER_02 26:00

No, no, actually, I think on the caliber of the unsanctioned match, they're both like the same.

SPEAKER_03 26:11

I thought you said that match don't count because it's not a real match.

SPEAKER_01 26:19

Your words, not mine, okay. Hey yo, man, cut this fucking live, my nigga. Hey, yo, cut the live, bro. We gotta fight, bro. How the fuck you gonna call me out like I said, you you you brought it up.

SPEAKER_02 26:36

Nah, bro. You brought it up. Not you using that shit against me, bro. That's crazy. That's crazy.

SPEAKER_03 26:44

But no, I I would actually admit that it is better than every match on night one, and it's a it's not a close tie, but it is a tie.

SPEAKER_02 26:58

Yeah, it's like like it's just like where the line is here, but the ladder match was here, it and and this match was like, ah, it's almost there.

SPEAKER_03 27:09

Almost got it. Yeah, got a refund. Let me put it this way if there would have been blood in that non-sanction match, then it would have been better than this ladder match. But because the ladder match just had really good guys in it who made the ladder match at least worth watching, that's why I I like I think I still put it over the non-sanctioned match, but barely. There, it's very, very close.

SPEAKER_02 27:35

See, you know, if this is a ranking system, you know, the the bottom, which is where we'll talk about, do we just call it night one? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Night one is the bottom. Yeah, just just night one. And then there'll be like a a C, a B, an A. And then the shit list is just night one.

SPEAKER_03 27:53

Have a good one, Jimmy Roos.

SPEAKER_02 27:54

Oh, he's out, have a good one, Jimmy. Um, but uh that would be the coward one. It's just night one. But uh some good, decent spots. You know, it it's a ladder match at Mania. You're gonna have some ladders broken, nothing technically of a table. You're gonna get your spot where two people are on the ladder and they get pushed. You're gonna get your miraculous, hey, I'm gonna do a move on a stacked ladder. Uh, we got two Canadian, uh excuse me, two Mexican destroyers that were pretty gnarly. Uh, the one on the ladder and the one where uh Penta bounced off the the uh ladder to do it. Like both of them were solid. And um I was very surprised that Penta won this. A part of me had feelings that, you know, you know, well, I would say a lot of us would hope maybe Javon at first, but nah, I don't think like even though the the intercontinental title is technically the equivalent of the X division title, would you would you kind of not agree? Of a like legacy-wise? Sure. So I was like, it'd be interesting how with Javon Evans getting that belt and being like the young OG, and you got Leon Slater with the the X Division title looking like a young OG. I I would find that interesting, but a part of me was wanting Javon to win, a part of me kind of felt like you know, I don't know who else could have won that match, honestly.

SPEAKER_03 29:32

Well, but I just none of the jobbers, no, the only literally the only option you had was Ray Mysterio, Pantor Javon Evans. They made that crystal clear. Can you imagine? He'll bring me real quick. Could you imagine if Russo won? If a jobber, a person who got a jobber entrance came out of that bitch with a W, can you imagine how stupid that would have been? Can you know how wild that because who are the Jobber entrance? The only one out of the jobbers who could have possibly made sense was a Dragon Lee because Dragon Lee's at least lukewarm. Yeah. Like, and even and even with me saying that J McDonough is hotter than Dragon Lee just by way of judgment day. Rusef is as cold as Kelvin. He's as cold as I fuck ice. He is Kelvin cold, brother. Oh damn. Like he is absolute zero at this point. Damn. What what do you mean? No, I'm just saying, I'm just saying damn. I'm just saying damn. This is the same guy who jobbed to Oba Femi. And Kelvin cold, brother.

SPEAKER_02 30:57

And Seamus.

SPEAKER_03 30:58

Kelvin Cold. No, no, no. Him and Seamus fought on equal playing fields. Okay. All right. He didn't job. They actually had a thing going on. For all intents and purposes, well, luckily, Seamus won that. If if because if Rusef would have come out on top of that and then turn around and job the Oba Femi, that says a lot about Seamus. It's a shameful thing.

SPEAKER_02 31:22

But I'm dead. Anyway. Um, yeah, you were right. I mean, with our everybody was in it, it was either here him or Javon. But uh, it is it is pretty wild because the way it looked at a mania in a situation like that, most people don't win. But Penta did. So it was like, okay, cool. So then I guess what was the point of the match? Normally, but to so that they can be on this on TV. Hey, look, he's not Tony Khan. All right, and they're not Tony Khan over there where they're getting people on there just to get people on there, you know. But apparently those three jobbers. Anyway, anything else you would like to say about the match besides of my short, very, very short summary. I mean, because it's pretty much your typical ladder.

SPEAKER_03 32:08

The ones who got entrances look really good. You know what I'm saying?

SPEAKER_02 32:11

Ah, what'd you buy?

SPEAKER_03 32:16

Like, I feel like Pinto winning, I think, was honestly the right choice because the man just got the belt. And I and if anything, they just showed the fact they respect your boy enough to not make him in a transitional champion. Damn. I mean, yeah. At least they respect Pinta enough to not let him be a transitional champion. Yeah, yeah. Now, after this, he can lose Javon Evans and it'd be perfect.

SPEAKER_02 32:50

Why am I not wearing my Pinta mask, bro? What the fuck am I doing? You are sick. But you know, yeah. That's in storage. They ain't storage, though. Anyway, uh, but pretty decent match. Nothing outside of but uh the observation of the match you had to say.

SPEAKER_03 33:06

No, that that's that's it. All right. It's just real disrespectful that those uh I would be hurt if I was able to be on WrestleMania and I didn't get a fucking entrance. I'm in this, as what Rey Mysterio said, could have been the match that took the night away. The possible best match on the card.

SPEAKER_02 33:29

He he be really mad when people say shit like with when Matt said, yo, what was it by June? Yes, six months. Six months. TNA would be the hardest thing. And uh this motherfucker is holding him to that. I'm waiting, Matt. He's holding him. I'm waiting. If look, if if Ali would have had that heavyweight title, I believe it. That could have been something. Yeah, that would have been.

SPEAKER_03 33:58

But until then, I am looking at my Invicta, and even though it does not have the date, I am counting the ticks. Alright. Rey Mysterio came into that ring and he was all like, hey, listen, this ladder match, it might bring the house down. Rey Mysterio told me that this match might steal the show.

SPEAKER_02 34:26

That man lied to you to get you by a ticket.

SPEAKER_03 34:30

Yes, yes, he did. It is unfortunate, but it wasn't terrible. Like, don't get me wrong. Like, honestly, at this point, the latter match was probably one was like I said, it was like one of the better matches out of all the pay-per-view up until this point.

SPEAKER_02 34:50

Honestly, besides the squash, there were no stinkers on this card.

SPEAKER_03 34:58

Which once we get into that, as we get deeper into it, because that was the pre-show.

SPEAKER_02 35:04

But it wasn't actually the pre-show, but but like even with going to next match, it was just Sammy versus

Sami Vs Trick With Lil Yachty

SPEAKER_02 35:10

Trick. It wasn't a stinker.

SPEAKER_03 35:12

No, no, you're not wrong. I will say it wasn't great. That well, see But it wasn't a stinker. Night two of WrestleMania. And I don't want to I don't want to have this mindset that night one was so bad that anything could have happened on night two and it would have just been better. I don't want to think that way. There's a part of me that feels like it. You know, it's like it's that whole idea of like, man, I just got fed shit. Oh just to get caviar the next day. Yeah, it well, not caviar. Stop saying something fancy. No, no, no, no, no. It's like getting fed shit. And then being fed like, you know, maybe less shittier shit, you know what I'm saying? What is less shittier shit? It wasn't. If we would have had, if we would not have night one, there's a part of me that feels like if we wouldn't have had night one, night two would have just felt lukewarm, regardless. Okay, but because there's a night one, night two, what are you doing?

SPEAKER_02 36:32

I was making sure light wasn't right. Go ahead.

SPEAKER_03 36:34

But it's like because of night one, night two like instantly just felt like it was just a better show, kind of thing. It's almost like you know, when you're like given something garbage, and then all of a sudden it's all like you're given something that's really good. You're like, oh, oh, oh, oh, this is not this is real nice. That's literally what it is. Even though it was, you know, freezer burned and they just put a little extra seasoning on.

SPEAKER_02 37:01

Oh, so it's basically the equivalent of getting a burnt ass steak, but you could just scrape off the the burnt and possibly make it at least a decent steak. At least. Okay. But to go into the match itself, you know, like we said before, uh, Sammy versus Trick Willet. Uh, why the fuck we have to have little Yachty in this? Like, I really feel like if they would have just took little Yachty out this situation, what the match would have been better. I feel like little Yachty, like, if you're going on a scale of one to ten, this match could at least have been a 7-8 without Lil Yachty. But with Lil Yachty, it brings it down two points.

SPEAKER_03 37:47

The only reason why I think it bril Yachty brings it down is because we did not get a better introduction to Lil Yachty need to be there. I don't think Lil' Yachty compared to the Pac-Mafee shit, I mean, yeah. Compared to Pac-Mafee, Lil Yachty at least had some making sense of being here. And granted, it was kind of sort of just like shoved upon us. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. Sure, but like, I don't think Lil' Yachty's presence in the match hindered it. Hell, for all intents and purposes, Lil' Yachty actually played his fucking part.

SPEAKER_02 38:26

I mean, he did, but I'm just saying the whole I understand it's mania, and they wanted to just add a celebrity to it to give it more appeal. And it's just one of those, like, man, I could have done it. The match already sells itself, you know, it's Trick Williams. Uh, there's not many people in this world that don't know who he is, at least in that this point right now. But to add somebody like, you know, uh little Yachty, we already have hip hop fans who are big wrestling fans because of, you know, your Quavos and all them, you know. Uh Cameron recently having the situation with Jey Uso, like hip-hop has already had appeal to wrestling. So, like, my curiosity is so why Yachty? And Yachty's not even a commodity of an artist. He hasn't really been putting out content like that. So, like, the sexy red shit with HBK makes sense because sexy red is currently a rapper who is popping. Yachty is just Yachty right now, and that's what I'm saying. So it's just like, why him? What about him says yo, he should be hanging out with Trick Williams? You know what I'm saying? Like you said before, he was just thrown into the situation.

SPEAKER_03 39:56

But no. I mean, I get what you're saying, because like as far as for doing it for the celebrity bump. For the s yeah, I I can understand, I see where you're coming from with the whole fact that like, yeah, little Yachty's I well, to my knowledge, he's not, I wouldn't say he's not irrelevant.

SPEAKER_02 40:15

It's just like you have a sexy red and you have Yachty. Sexy Red is definitely more known than Yachty right now because the younger audience is her stuff is popping off right now.

SPEAKER_03 40:26

Yeah. And I don't know what I well now. Granted, I also, because I don't necessarily follow him very closely, I don't know if Lil Yachty's got anything that he's working on right now or what was the last record he dropped, nothing kind of thing. But like, I don't think when it comes to the celebrity involvement, uh, I feel little Yachty is like, I don't think he plays a supreme major role. Now, with that being said, sure, we probably could easily have done without Lil Yachty, but I don't think Lil Yachty's place in this particular situation is a problem. Pat McAfee was a problem.

SPEAKER_02 41:16

But that but that wasn't his fault though. What, Pat McAfee? Yeah, no, because he was just put into a situation where he had his hands tied. His actual manager was like, yo, you're doing this. You forget. Well, I don't know if you know. Uh, the guy who owns KO is actually Pat McAfee's manager. So that's why he put him in that situation. And it was bad. It was because of that. But Pat was like, no, I don't want to do this. This is not a good idea.

SPEAKER_03 41:46

Oh, really? I hear all that. Yeah, that that's literally popped off.

SPEAKER_02 41:50

That's been well known. Pat was, if you look at especially Russell talk, Pat was like, actually, this is a dumb idea. But his manager's like, no, you're gonna do this because I'm trying to make you the next Arnold Schwarzenegger. I want you to be in Hollywood. And so I need you to do do things like this. So I'm putting you in the situation. We're gonna make the caller you. And Pat was like, as a wrestling fan, that is a dumbass idea. That that's that's a really bad idea. People are gonna hate me. He's like, No, no, no, no, it's gonna work. And it did not fucking work at all.

SPEAKER_03 42:25

But but when it comes to Lil Yachty's case, as where that was a bad idea, little Yachty being here with Trick Williams, I don't think was ultimately a bad idea. It wasn't, it just wasn't an idea. I was like, uh I mean, which sure it let me put this him being there and him not being there, we could have gotten the same results with Trick Williams winning the title without Lil Yachty, in my opinion. But the small part that Lil Yachty played, I feel it doesn't hurt anything. Sure, it was a little sloppy bringing him into this and kind of unnecessary, but at the same time, I think we should know, and this ain't just a this WrestleMania thing, this is a WrestleMania thing going all the way back to the first WrestleMania. Famous people just want to be included for whatever fucking reason.

SPEAKER_02 43:25

Yeah, well, yeah, yeah, yeah. But I mean, I I will agree on that too, because as a rut as a wrestling fan, if they told you, hey, we actually want you to be like, say if they told us, and they and the idea to us was stupid, you still doing it to be a mania? Absolutely, exactly. So that's what I'm saying. Like, I get where you're coming from with that, because it's like no matter what, you will be edged in in the history books because of this stupid fucking thing. Where hey, I got a bag. I might my reputation might be a little f but I'm in WrestleMania.

SPEAKER_03 44:00

The fact of like now the only thing where I think Lil Yacht

Celebrity Backlash And Earning Respect

SPEAKER_03 44:04

did mess up at was the fact that Lil Yacht because so Lil Yacht he came out on Twitter, he was seen complaining about people being upset about his involvement with the storyline and everything else, right? And he made a whole tweet about it, talked about, you know, quit hating and you know crushing my dreams and da-da-da-da-and and all this other stuff, right? And then he but then he goes on to be all like, you know, I'm always at the shows. I probably know more wrestling than what most of y'all do. If you know, I know about as much wrestling as you guys do, if not probably more, and all this other stuff. And in my mind, I'm thinking to myself, I'm like, Yachty, you made you did the worst mistake you could possibly do. Because if little Yachty is as big of a wrestling fan as what we would be, as what we are, right? If he is that much of a wrestling fan, he would know for a fact that him being a celebrity, it does not matter from what generation, it does not matter what time frame or however it may, does not matter at all. When you're a celebrity and you come into the wrestling ring, into the wrestling bubble in this wrestling sphere, nobody is going to fucking like you until you get guy.

SPEAKER_02 45:31

Or until you show us that you actually know this shit, like bad bunny. Bad bunny is one of the celebrities that if he ever like he's on like anything, we're like, yo, it's bad bunny, because we know bad bunny can go.

SPEAKER_03 45:45

But which is a good comparison. Think about people like Drew Carey, all right? Like that nigga was in the Royal Rumble. Drew Carey, the few times that he's shown up in wrestling, it's like, yeah, sure, he's a celebrity. He shows up, but he also knows what's up. And what if you like him? And people who you might have loved Drew Carey in the Drew Carey show and whose line is it anyway. But as soon as he steps into that ring, you boo him. And he does not earn the respect of the average wrestling fan until he gets dropped on his fucking head. Yep.

SPEAKER_02 46:23

And then he gets up and keeps going because it's like, oh, and when those things happen, whenever he comes back, we're we're oh snap, Drew Carrie's back. No, another good comparison, and and this is the situation where it's the opposite, but it's also he get he has plot armor, so you you can't really get mad at him. Snoop Dogg. Where how Snoop Dogg soaking wet 90 pounds can come in and clothesline somebody, and we can be like, oh, it's Snoop. Snoop has plot armor enough to do that and can do a terrible people's elbow, but fans are slightly okay with that. They won't get mad at Snoop Dogg being there because he's Snoop Dogg, he has plot armor.

SPEAKER_03 47:03

Yeah, no, I I think Snoop Dogg might not be a good, I mean, he's a fair example. But he's not a he's not a good example. Yeah, but now Bad Bunny is a good example because when he first showed up, you know, it's like, all right, just another celebrity guy, whatever. And then he proved himself, and that's just kind of sort of the wrestling way. If you're a celebrity and you get into the wrestling ring, you gotta prove yourself, you gotta get laid out, you gotta get dropped on your head.

SPEAKER_02 47:33

That's what I'm saying, and that's gotta get stunnered, and that's why I was saying because there's the comparison with Snoop. Every time Snoop has been in the ring, he has dominated somebody else. And that's the thing that they always do with celebrities is a celebrity comes in and then he knocks a wrestler down. It could be somebody like a Chavo Guerrero or Kit Wilson or something like that, and that wrestler is gonna take the fucking bump to make the celebrity look cool. But in all reality, the fucking celebrity can't actually wrestle. They would just tell, hey, we're gonna get back and forth, you're gonna throw a clothes on, I'm gonna take it, I'm gonna sell it, and we're done, right? You look good. And that's the thing that pisses us off as wrestling fans, because these are people who are trained athletes who can literally kick almost anybody's ass. And you get this random celebrity come out of nowhere who's soaking wet, maybe 90 pounds, does a clothesline. They're like, oh, and you're like, mother, get that shit out of here.

SPEAKER_03 48:29

I mean, yeah, sure, but the thing that I've getting across is the fact, like, with little Yachty in this case, right? It's like like going back on saying the fact, like, yeah, I did not mind him being in the in the position that he was in. I don't mind that he was there and he did the celebrity thing. What I'm saying is the fact that his problem was, is that instead of just following the process and just rolling with it because if he is as smart of a wrestling fan as he says that he is, he knows how this works as a celebrity. Don't give respect until you take that bump and you do the thing in the ring. So basically, like what I just explained, he should know that. Yes, he should know that if he is, as he said on Twitter, you know, I go to all the shows, I probably know more wrestling than half of you people, and da da da. Like, instead of realizing bitching and complaining about people hating on him being in this position and quote unquote trying to crush his dream kind of thing, he should have just shut up, let everything happen because he did get his. Sandy Snake kicked the shit out of him. Yeah, he did. You know what I'm saying? And then he and he, yo, he he got his in, but it's like he tarnished it because he wanted to talk shit. None of the other celebrities did that. You didn't see Stephen Mel do that.

SPEAKER_02 50:00

You didn't see Jim Carrey, not Jim Carrey, uh Drew Carrey did drew that. Well, I mean, social media wasn't that big around that time, though.

SPEAKER_03 50:07

But even then, though, like, still, like, you don't you never saw him complain about like but like those kinds of things.

SPEAKER_02 50:13

That's what I'm saying. But you really're not gonna say there's a different comparison to how social media is now combated back in the early 2000s where there wasn't social media like that. So I would say, hey, if this was a thing now, I mean, cyberbullying on the internet would totally have probably said something at one point. I mean, shit, when Johnny Knoxville was on there, we knew we knew what it was gonna be. I think, I think when it comes to the celebrity and understanding, because I don't think nobody complained about hearing, oh, it's gonna be Johnny Knoxville versus Sammy Zayn. We know Johnny Knoxville's probably not getting maybe a small amount of training. And then that match, we just knew it was gonna be comedy. We knew it was not gonna be a spectacle or like something we knew it was gonna be a good time, right?

SPEAKER_03 50:58

But you also have to remember, Johnny Knoxville and the Jackass crew, they've already proved themselves before. That's what I'm saying. But that's but that's the point that I'm making. Oh, because they took bunts from Umaga. They've been here already. Got it.

SPEAKER_01 51:11

Got it, got it.

SPEAKER_03 51:13

There are several people who've been here already, they've already gone through the bits. So when they show up, we as wrestling fans, we can say, nah, we respect this guy now. Because he's been in the ring, he's he's done what he's needed to do, which was take that bump, whatever it may be.

SPEAKER_02 51:30

Unfortunately, as a rapper, can't do that.

SPEAKER_03 51:35

What?

SPEAKER_02 51:36

As rapper logic, bro, you gotta be you gotta be macho, man. As a rapper, you can't let nobody knock you out. As a rapper, you can't do you know all the stereotype of of gangster rappers or you know, of that nature, and how social media is. We as wrestling fans will not clown him, but the rap audience will be like, oh, you got not down by that gingerbread add-on.

SPEAKER_03 51:58

But but see, you also have to remember, uh uh um when was the last gangster rapper outside of Snoop Dogg you saw?

SPEAKER_02 52:07

Offset.

SPEAKER_03 52:08

When?

SPEAKER_02 52:08

Offset came in that one match, and uh was it with Javon or something like that? He came in and clothes on somebody. Okay, yeah, and he's a gangster rapper. Sure. Okay, all right, okay. You said name somebody else, and I did.

SPEAKER_03 52:26

I don't oh no, no. That's uh that maybe I maybe my vision of gangster rapper has been clouded because because that there's not really any gangster rapper. Exactly, exactly. That's exactly what I'm saying.

SPEAKER_02 52:42

No, no, but but as in the as in the image of rap, it is for all these dudes, they be going, you know, whatever in that music, they consider themselves gangster. And so the image of gangster in social media aspect, you get knocked out or whatever. That's kind of one of the reasons why Def, well, outside of Def Champ being Def Jam, Def Cham will never do another fucking game with rappers in it. Because one, if we get to stomp out like a Drake, we get to stomp out like somebody we don't want like that. Social media already is gonna roast it. Think about when Drake and Meek Meal went out, uh, with having that beef, and then people were making WWE simulations of Drake kicking Meek Meal's ass in a match, and the same thing happened when Kendra Lamar started kicking fucking Drake's ass. They did simulations of that too, and niggas just like making memes out of that, they would meme that shit too.

SPEAKER_03 53:36

I think you're taking this to like another place. Nah. I don't like I I like I thought I was following you, and you kind of lost me here.

SPEAKER_02 53:46

Well, okay, I think it's because we're in two versions of social media and knowing how one it attacks those areas, because like you just said before earlier, you're not too privy to thir certain things that Lil'Yachty is doing. You didn't remember you didn't remember the thing offset did because you're not really focused on that side of social media.

SPEAKER_03 54:05

But like, but I'm trying to figure out so are you trying to say the fact that that little yacht should be getting clowned for getting knocked out?

SPEAKER_02 54:14

I would not say that, but I would say certain audience in the rap community would.

SPEAKER_03 54:22

That's that's all right, sure. I'll uh I'm gonna just let that sit there. Okay. Cause uh I I really don't know, like I can't find your point in it. That's my problem right now. I I'll have to show you examples in the future. Cause I'm like, if you're just trying to say the fact of niggas being niggas and you know, like, you know, they're big tough guy, you know. I'm not saying, yeah, yeah, very much that. You know, if that's what you're saying, then it's like, but it's also wrestling. So it's like it would not make sense for them to bring that into this. Now, I mean, because like, because in my mind, when I'm thinking about like your gangster rappers, I'm thinking about your rappers like like well, because like I guess new age gangster is not gangster to me. So it's like I'm thinking like your uh your uh uh uh uh um uh what's his 50 cent? Sure, your 50 cents or um oh my god, what's the motherfucker's name? Or or niggas like the game, you know what I'm saying? We all know like we know we well and uh that that's in my mind, that's what I consider gangsters. Okay, okay, you know, like you know, like that is so it's like, but with that being said, there's a reason why you've never seen those niggas in the middle of the ring doing anything with wrestling. Because no, it doesn't work that way. They because they don't work that way. It's a completely different lifestyle, completely different mindset type situation and whatnot. When you look at what you're talking about and whatnot, these

Why Fans Boo Outsiders

SPEAKER_03 55:52

glitz and glam niggas, you know, saying these, you know, not I don't want to call them like like I guess you're you're new age gangsters, you're almost suburb gangsters. You're right, there but it's like I don't like it, it doesn't hit the same way in my mind to me. And then plus, there's also the fact of like, you know, there these there were these these were gangsters who was about that life, and then there's gangsters who are just about the bag. These are bag collectors, therefore they're going to collect the bag and do what the bag deems worthy so that the pockets can get fatter. As where someone like the game, they're like, my toughness and my street cred is everything. Fuck a bag. I'll put I'll I'll put a body in it. Okay. Okay. Okay. And so it's like, in my mind, when it comes to like when you're talking about with that, I'm like, no, that's that's that's different. I don't think it correlates in my mind. Which is why when it comes to Yachty, because he is far from against the motherfucker, I think. Like, I don't think there's really any like, he's not gonna lose street cred for for for for getting knocked out by Sammy Zayn. You know what I'm saying? Like, he's not gonna lose nothing for that. If anything, it's gonna raise his stock up ca because he's collecting a bag, and the bag is what's really important.

SPEAKER_02 57:20

If that was the case, then they wouldn't be poking at him about being in the situation in general if he was if it was all about him getting a bag.

SPEAKER_03 57:26

But see, that's also another thing. Wrestling fans are not the same kind of fans who just listen to that kind of music.

SPEAKER_02 57:32

Well, no, no, no, no. I'm saying if you're even putting that in comparison, we as wrestling fans should also respect the fact that he's getting a bag.

SPEAKER_03 57:40

We should, but we also as wrestling fans always protect the business first, always will think about our wrestling first before, like, for instance, who who is somebody right now that I can think of off the top of my head, and I would probably still judge them just anything, anybody celebrity-wise? Fucking the voice of Sonic the Hedgehog, right? Okay, if he showed up in WWE right now, I'm gonna judge him harshly because as a wrestling fan, sure, Sonic is my favorite thing on God screen earth, all right? But Sonic does not need to be in my wrestling.

SPEAKER_02 58:22

So that's what I'm saying. So, like a person that has no business, I don't want to say no business, but like yes, no business.

SPEAKER_03 58:28

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Lil Yachty has no business being in my wrestling. He is a rapper. I should be listening to him on the radio and watching his his music video, not seeing him in my wrestling ring. Yeah. Okay, and so as a wrestling fan, as we all often do and have done for our whole lives, when that outsider comes into our wrestling ring, I don't care if I loved his movie. I'm going to boo this man until he proves himself worthy to be in my wrestling ring. Because as a wrestling fan, I only want to see wrestlers doing wrestling things in the wrestling ring.

SPEAKER_02 59:11

Not not us, not us, parently, as wrestling fans, going. But that's what it is.

SPEAKER_00 59:18

Bro, that's how it's always been.

SPEAKER_01 59:20

Dude, that's how it's literally always been.

SPEAKER_02 59:23

It's just funny. The way like the fact that you put it's like, do we send this nigga to the Lions?

SPEAKER_03 59:28

That's that's how it's been always how it has been from the dawn of the first WrestleMania. Like, sure. Nah, Mr. T look like. We love Mr. T and everything. And the only thing that helped Mr. T was the fact that he was with Hulk Hogan. Put Mr. T with anybody else. Oh, we was gonna judge the fuck out of that motherfucker. But because he was with Hulk Hogan.

SPEAKER_02 59:55

Because Mr. T looks like an actual tough guy, though. That's the thing. Now, yes, there is that piece too. Say that's the thing with Mike Tyson. We did you complain about Mike Tyson being there? That nigga's actually the baddest man in the planet at that point in time. But you also have to see what did he do? He punched, he punched uh Sean.

SPEAKER_03 1:00:11

What else did he do? He think of all the things that Mike Tyson did in wrestling. He proved himself to be in that spot and to be on my TV. Okay. Did he? Yeah, he be he bumped. But he uh he got into a shout out situation with Austin, too. There are he has done things that made him prove that this outsider came into my WWE WWF at the time, and he made a difference and made me be like, you know what, he can stay.

SPEAKER_02 1:00:48

You know what? Another perfect example is homeboy that got tombstone every year that baseball legend. He you he could do no wrong.

SPEAKER_01 1:00:56

Exactly.

SPEAKER_02 1:00:57

Because he took three tombstones straight.

SPEAKER_03 1:01:00

And granted, sure, we boo him, but we don't boo him because it's go way he. We boo him because now that is part of the show. That is his character. That's the reason why. So it's like for little Yaya to be so upset that everyone was booing him and giving him all his flag, and like you shouldn't be here. That has been for decades.

SPEAKER_02 1:01:23

Honestly, he should have been eating at like Stephen A. Smith. Whenever he got on screen, boo.

SPEAKER_03 1:01:28

No, you're correct. That's what he should have done. But instead, he went to Twitter and complained. And that's the part that I'm getting at.

SPEAKER_02 1:01:36

So he was a soft act.

SPEAKER_03 1:01:37

He he went to comp he went to Twitter and complained. He's like, stop raining on my parade and da-da-da-da-da. Instead, what he should have done was he just should have been quiet. Or hell, he could have just you know poked the bear some since he is being a here heel character.

SPEAKER_02 1:01:54

He could have been like, yo, man, y'all just mad I'm with Trick, Willie. Honestly, he could have he could have cut a promo on Twitter. Easily that. Man, all right, let's get past that part. So the actual match, because now I'm a little bit mad about that. See, so but but you get it, you get it now. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It took a little bit of the process of just getting two perspectives on two different two different situations, but the match itself, um again, it was not a stinker, but it was just it was a match. It was a match.

SPEAKER_03 1:02:33

All right, gone. All right, Egg. I mean, you got Oba now though, right?

SPEAKER_02 1:02:44

Anyway, uh, so uh again, the match was a match. There's not really much to talk about it besides we both knew Trick was William. Well Trick was winning. He said we both knew Trick was William. Yes, sir, we did. Yes, we do, but we know Trick was winning that match. There there was really nothing for Sammy besides Sammy was like, man, I'm gonna come out here. I don't I didn't even do the let's go. I didn't even do that. I just did the strut, walked down to the ring, and I wasn't even hired for this, man. I just knew I'm about to go home after I take this trick shot, and I'm gonna take that lovely little check and bring it to my wife. I mean, at this point, we're gonna probably go to re-add season. It's re-add season.

SPEAKER_03 1:03:24

So we're going to re-I mean, no, I I will at least give them the fact that uh as of night two, this match kind of set the tone for the pay-per-view a little bit. Like it felt like it felt like it was at least worth being on a excuse me, on a WrestleMania card a little bit to a certain degree. Because Trick Williams and Sami Zayn actually performed.

SPEAKER_02 1:03:57

They did.

SPEAKER_03 1:03:57

They they performed and they seemingly kind of sort of had some time to get their point across in the middle of the match. It just seemed very fast. Oh no, it was still a quick match.

SPEAKER_02 1:04:09

I think it was one of the fastest matches. Well, it wasn't the fastest. I don't I don't think it was the fastest. Like I I I mean on that regular card, the actual card. What do you mean? Because remember, it's four matches on the actual card. Oh, as far well, I I was it the quickest match? Because Finn and and Dominic got some time. Okay, yeah. They definitely got some time. That Jade and Rhea got some time. And we absolutely know that main event got some time.

SPEAKER_03 1:04:34

Oh, so sh okay, so you're saying as far as the main card, it was the shortest match. So, yes, it was the shortest match, but it was one of the more well-done matches out of all of the matches. Like, we if you look at WrestleMania as a whole, this match easily beats night one. Yeah. Period. Like it this match was better than all of night one. There was a part of us that was even like, hey, this is actually a good match. Yes. Better than all of night one, period. Was Sami Zayn and Trick Williams, which is crazy. Yeah, me too. Because shut up. I was about to say it again. I was about to say it again. But like, I did not expect this match to be good for some reason. And yet it was better than the night one of wrestling.

SPEAKER_02 1:05:24

Because only because of one match was not on the card, actually, because it was unsanctioned. Again, that's why I was like, I was about to know I was about to say it. That's why I stopped myself. Because I was like, technically.

SPEAKER_03 1:05:35

But yeah. But hey, Trick Williams is the champion. Black Twitter, you can relax. Yeah, you have the black IWC. You got two out of three. Got two out of three tonight. You know what I'm saying? Let's talk about it. It's uh, you know, we we don't gotta kill Triple H yet. Let's talk about it. He's not off the chopping block, but you know.

SPEAKER_02 1:05:56

I I don't know if we can say the actual K word, so I think we have to say. Uh had to get them before. You know what I'm saying? We don't want to lie and cut.

SPEAKER_03 1:06:05

Kill Steam Kill. All right.

SPEAKER_02 1:06:06

That, all right. All right. If we go dark, guys, you know what? Anyway, um, but yes, like I said before, it was a match. There wasn't anything crazy to ride home. Uh, right, right home to, or whatever, too, because it was a pretty typical match. There was the moment where Sammy hits your little Yachty, throws him off his game, he gets hit with the trick shot, and it's one, two, three. Well, Lil Yachty also interfered. That too. But yeah, but I'm just I'm just saying, like, that's how the flow kind of went was hey, match, match, match, match. Somehow Lil' Yachty gets involved, he gets hit, match, match, involved, trick shot, it's over. So, yeah, it wasn't like I say it wasn't too crazy, it wasn't a lot of storytelling in it.

SPEAKER_03 1:06:52

It was just get the homie though.

SPEAKER_02 1:06:54

Ah,

Demon Balor Vs Dominik Street Fight

SPEAKER_02 1:06:55

nice. But of course, but of course, with that match, then we can actually go into the next match, which I'm very proud of, but technically only be semi-proud of, because it was not Finn Balor, it was Demon. So, we get Dominic Mysterio versus Demon. Not even the demon, just Demon. Demon Balor. And uh, as you guys are already well known in this podcast, I am a fan of Finn Balor. I'm very upset about Finn Balor. And knowing that the demon was returning, I obviously had worries because the last time the demon came and went against Edge, he lost. Last time he also went against Raman Reigns, he lost. So to see the demon come back at Mania, I said, man, matter of fact, we can even pull back the video of me saying demon at the mania, and you said the demon is dead. Remember that? Yeah, I did. That bitch is alive now.

SPEAKER_03 1:08:04

And that mania interest was good. Um all right, hey. You know what? Every once in a while, you have to at least get something in here. You know, you're allowed to get a W. I mean, sure, you don't get them often, barely, but you're at least, you know.

SPEAKER_02 1:08:22

I had a couple of W's for my predictions this weekend. But were they really W's, though?

SPEAKER_03 1:08:30

I know, I know they were W's in a sense that, hey, yeah, I called that. And I'ma cry about it because it was the worst option to pick. Like, like the main event, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:08:40

Um, anyway. Uh it was, like I said, it was a definitely a decent match, you know. Uh, Finn, well, the demon looked great. Dominic, he he was just doing his thing. I really can't say too much about Dominic because while Dominic was performing, the match really dominated by the demon. I don't remember how much offense Dominic got.

SPEAKER_03 1:09:05

He got a little bit. He got a little bit, but like the the demon uh like he got a little bit, but the demon always kept getting up. Yeah. And so I was and then on top of that, because number one, when did it become a street fight? I don't even remember that. I knew it was a match, but I had no clue it was a street fight. I don't I didn't see when it got upgraded to a stipulation match. And then the other piece was the fact that no one came out there to help them.

SPEAKER_02 1:09:36

Well, the only person who could have was already in the ladder match, which you know, our homeboy said, and I was like, yeah, because the women ain't doing it.

SPEAKER_03 1:09:46

Yeah, uh, it's uh I mean honestly, the match was fine. The match was perfectly fine.

SPEAKER_02 1:09:53

Uh I will besides that spot, you know, where well I say beside uh that one spot of Finn doing the coup de gras on your boy Dom and damn near Sam back in that motherfucker.

SPEAKER_03 1:10:03

Oh no, that was the best part. What are you talking about? Ah listen, he could have growled him through a table and stuck it straight, like boom, stood on business on that nigga's chest. Like that, yes, yes. I have to at least I do have to give it to I do I give it to the stereo though, because like he for the first like maybe I need to start watching triple A because it's like on regular main roster, like Dominic don't be doing shit in the ring, bro. Yeah, like he he just be chilling, just fucking round. But like in this match, he actually did something. Like, I I was like, I I feel as if I got re-impressed with Dominic Basterio. Because I was like, oh damn, that nigga can wrestle a little bit.

SPEAKER_02 1:10:53

That's crazy. That's crazy you say that because like I feel like Dom is is definitely getting up there. He's definitely a really great performer.

SPEAKER_03 1:11:01

And that's the thing, because he is, because he can do all the like he could do the bare minimum and s and still look good. And so like that's what he does on a regular nightly basis. And then tonight, WrestleMania, I went from seeing him do the bare minimum to to actually trying. And I was like, oh damn, he looks good when he's trying. I understand he doesn't have to because he's he's such a heel, and people hate him so much so deeply. So it's it's perfectly fine. But like, I mean it was cool, however, I do wonder where this leaves them, though. That's not something I've really been thinking about with a lot of these matches. Like the where does this go afterwards? But we shall see, I would guess. But ultimately, I think the match is straight. It was straight, it was it was a fine match, which is two matches more than I expected as far as being great for this pay-per-view thus far. Because once again, after the shit show we had last night, I was not expecting anything to be good tonight. And then we get two good back-to-back matches, which was crazy.

SPEAKER_02 1:12:23

Yeah, and like I said before, you know, with the demon winning, it was a great moment because again, Penn Ballard has not been getting any uh wins at all. So for to have that happen was a a great moment indeed. But you know, we say all that to say when it comes to the demon versus Dominic, that was I would say in the order of matches one, two, three, well, excuse me, four, three, two, one, out of as best matches of the night, like the match of the night by order. Would you agree? Like number four being Sammy versus Trick and then third back third match of the night being fan versus Dominic and then Jade and uh Rhea being second best. Second best match of the I'm asking, would you would you what would you say? Would you say that'd be third best? Yo, you really gotta think about that.

SPEAKER_01 1:13:36

Damn.

SPEAKER_03 1:13:39

I mean so if we're gonna talk about best match of the night, the main event was the best. Yeah. Alright. If I was to give a second best match of the night, yeah, it probably would be a a uh uh a a trick in them. Really, okay. As far as just purely on just the match being good and entertaining, kind of thing. All right, because and then and then third best would be the demon and your triple A champion.

SPEAKER_02 1:14:14

So you're saying that Jade and Rio was technically out of those four matches not the best match of the month. Not saying it was bad, we're not saying at all, but just like it wasn't wait. Are you are you trying to are you ranking? We're just ranking out of the four, which was like from technically, we don't want to say worse, because it wasn't worse, from I guess best to best, better, or something like that. I don't know what you know, because we can't really say any of them were stinkers, so you don't want to say it's the worst match of the night, but like if you are ranking them from which one was good to the best.

SPEAKER_03 1:14:56

So once again, main event was the best one, was the best match. If we're just talking about the ones that were exclusively on the PLE, yeah, yeah, yeah, which is fine because the first two matches weren't that great, but like it's the main event, trick is Sammy, domin them, and then Rhea's match. Okay, okay. Now, as we talk about that match, however, what I can say is the fact that I was utterly surprised.

Rhea Vs Jade Shocks Us

SPEAKER_03 1:15:36

I was utterly surprised that the match between Rhea and Jade Cargill was actually good. I I am actually still in disbelief that it was good. Or even would say it was not bad. That match was better than at least half of last night's pay-per-view. We'll agree. And that's including the unsanctioned match. Like technically that match isn't real, but but yeah, no, like I'm I am blown away that Jade. It almost makes me wonder has Jade just been acting like she doesn't know how to fucking wrestle this whole time? Yes. Like, has this just been a front? Yes, like like am I being punked? Yes. Cause you look at all the shit she's done before, how like she just she moves awkward in the ring. Like, to me, and I I I've said this to Ray Xeon, it's like she moved the way that she moves in the ring, she fights, and it and I don't want to make it sound bad, but there's really no better way to say it. Because I I often see this more specifically with the female wrestlers, but it's like the way that she would move around the ring, she moved around like a female wrestler who just got done being trained on how to actually wrestle. So it's like like you can see the fact that they could be the most athletic, agile, clank abs. They look fucking beautiful, but their movements in the ring show the fact that they're still figuring out how to move in the ring. Oh, so just being green. So it's weird because, like, kind of green, but like, I don't know. It's something that I often see with indie female wrestlers where there's like, even if they're not necessarily green, or maybe it is just the fact that they are green, but there's just a certain way that sometimes they move where it's all like, yeah, you can tell that they're uh that they're still uh uh learning the ropes, even though they may have been wrestling for a minute. Because there's only there's only two switches for female wrestlers on the indies. Either they in there and they are literally ripping each other's eyes out, or they're in there and they're trying to figure out where each other's eyes are to rip. And and and and they for a while was looking like she it's like as if like she knows what she could do in the ring, but she's like unsure or doesn't know if she should do it now or later or something. There was just such a weirdness about her, which made her matches look like crap. And this is like one of the first times. This is like the first time where she actually looked like she knew what the fuck she was doing in the ring, and that blew me away.

SPEAKER_02 1:18:44

I wasn't I wasn't ready for that. So you're telling me like uh she had her debut match.

SPEAKER_03 1:18:50

If this was her debut match, I'd have a completely different outlook on on Jade. But because of the fact that I've seen her wrestle several times up until this point, it's like, was this a fluke? Was this just a one-off? Am I gonna see another match with her? She's gonna suck. Probably. Which is unfortunate. Probably. Or is it just because the fact that Rhea knows how to carry a fucking match? That could also be I don't want to say that. I don't want to I I don't want to either. I don't want like Jade is garbage. Thank God Rhea has saved this match for us all. No, I don't want to be like that either. But that's probably what it is.

SPEAKER_02 1:19:36

But it was good, it was a good match. So we start off, we start off between the two, you know, getting a little bit of offense against each other. We get to a point where within the office, by the way, this match was actually 12 minutes long.

SPEAKER_03 1:19:48

Uh, we get to a point where uh, you know, everybody's getting their shit off. You saying that reminds me of the fact that we just to show how much we were all like, yeah, fuck this match. It was like, hey, over under how long you think this match is gonna take? He says seven minutes under. I said 10 minutes under, and we got and then the match goes in. We're like, well damn. It's a pretty long match. It's worth watching.

SPEAKER_02 1:20:16

Yeah. Yeah. That's crazy. We our whole shift, our whole gear shift at that moment. We but it's like hey, when you gotta eat them words, you gotta eat them. Wait, what was it? Uh what's that gift where it's like the you should be hitting the whenever that's when you pop off moments whenever you hit the gift?

SPEAKER_03 1:20:36

Oh are you talking about the you're gonna talk about the the um the Samuel L.

SPEAKER_02 1:20:40

Jackson the Yes, okay basically that's that's how you like your wrestling is moments that make you go, oh no. That and that was one of those moments.

SPEAKER_03 1:20:48

Yes, absolutely, absolutely.

SPEAKER_02 1:20:50

So, but again, yes, both people are getting offense, and we obviously have uh where BFAB and Minchin make their way to the ring, and they surround the ring, causing interference, therefore getting Jade a little bit of extra offense, and then as uh then we're kind of gonna go overkill. EO comes down and does her love, her, her, her run. She always is running for something whenever she does it, as long as she's not doing a Jeff Hardy. But uh she's running down, she gets offense on B Fab and Mention, even though it's two bitches. But you know, excuse me, I didn't mean to call y'all bitch. My bad. Two individuals. My apologies. Oh my god. Um lost sauce, but they're definitely far from that. But anyway, uh got you know, two different individuals, got a move off on them. Jay comes in there, makes you know it's about to get EO. Doesn't happen. The Rig gets her, but oh wait, Jay's about to reverse. Jay reverses the triptide. Oh, I'm about to put her in the storm. No, reverse it goes under riptide, boom, match.

SPEAKER_03 1:22:00

I ain't gonna lie, the sequence of how that match ended was solid. And I think as a weird caveat here, like some of the matches that we had, the the way that they finished, I feel like I feel like WWE actually I can't even say WWE, just wrestling as a whole has forgot the art of finishing the match. You know what I'm saying? Like with this one was a was fine. I think the finish for this one was fine.

SPEAKER_02 1:22:36

The a good finish is always whenever a big move happens and you get that one, two, three. Like it's the we all know as wrestling fans, yeah, that's it.

SPEAKER_03 1:22:48

Yes, but at the same time, it's how you get the big move. So, for instance, like with this one, you know, Rhea, and then that reverse, and then that reverse into another reverse, and she literally reversed it into the rip tie, that was good. That was fire. Now, when we get into the main event, I'm gonna revisit this process of thinking that I'm talking about because with the way that that match ended, it's like for me, it was all like, eh, you know what I'm saying? Like, there's the art of how you finish a match and the way you leave that match at the end, like it's it's something that has slowly, to me, in my mind, I think has been being like kind of getting lost in the sauce type deal because we're so busy wanting to make sure we get our shit in, kind of thing. Or, you know, like you don't need to look, you don't need to go into the match and win it and be looking like this super dominant. Like, what happened to your Shawn Michaels? I can barely stand on my fucking feet at the end of this match. Someone needs to hold me up and lay the title.

SPEAKER_02 1:24:09

When when Triple H used to have to carry that nigga to the back because he was so spent.

SPEAKER_03 1:24:13

Just like that kind, that kind of finish. We don't finish matches like that no more. Everyone finishes the match, and they're like, for instance, this match, Rhea and her, they they banged it out. But at the end, Rhea's standing there. And then Jay's outside, like, like, you know, it's like not as if like they had plenty left in the tank. They they could have kept on going, they could have put more into this match type thing. Like they were still standing, they was able to walk out without help.

SPEAKER_02 1:24:45

It's the equivalent of, you know, how in wrestling moves now, or I guess you could even say old ones, where you hit your finisher and it goes, you know, basically flashbangs almost for a second. And during that flashbang, you get in the one, two, three, and you're like, oh fuck, but you come back to come come to two, and you just immediately get out the ring. Because you're just like, Well, I got I got it with the move.

SPEAKER_03 1:25:08

But like, which shit I feel as if, but like, it's to me, it I was I I've been stuck on this whole thing. It's like, you're taking me out of the immersion, but it's like it we used to get finishes that felt like supreme finishes, like they fought their fucking heart outs to get that W. Nobody's selling the finishes, basically. Correct. No one, and and and that is the big difference and the big deal. Now, and and as far as this match goes, so that we can get into the main event. Yeah, uh, this match was the sleeper match of the pay-per-view. This match was not supposed to be this good, and it turned out to actually be good, and it makes me question everything. I'm like, is Jade Cargill actually good? Or is Rhea just really good at calling matches? At calling matches and making other people look great, kind of thing. This is her brutality. I mean, and this is her title when she eats, sleeps, breathes, the demons in your dreams. And I know you didn't watch this W, but I just did the stomp part.

SPEAKER_02 1:26:30

Oh, I was I was like, nigga, you good? No, I just did the stomp part, you know what I'm saying? I was finishing the song, you know. Look at my eyes, look at my, you know what I'm saying? I just did the whole thing anyway. Uh man, I am so mad about the fucking next match.

Roman Vs Punk Main Event Masterclass

SPEAKER_02 1:26:49

Boy, this was a main event. I will give it this much. This was a main event, and CM Punk, I'm sorry, you you got your WrestleMania moment, and I really hope this was the moment you wanted because man, your entrance told more story than it had aesthetic. Like, whereas HBK doesn't need a lot of uh things to come out to the ring, too. He has the pyro, he he, you know, shucks and jives. Man, the combination of your old Ring of Honor theme music and then showing the history of you, which to me, in moments like that, if you're showing all that history to me, the person's retiring or something like that, bro. I don't I don't like how they do that. It's like I almost show you all the way from the 90s to now, and it's like, you retiring? Like, why are we doing this right now? So, but to have that shot of you on top of the fucking stadium and you sit with the belt, that had aura personified on there, and I love that. And to have you go out to the ring to both your music, I love that moment. But this match It had the wrestling psychology that was necessary to make this a main event. Cody, Randy, watch this match. Study this match. Understand this match. Because this is how you end WrestleMania. This match alone felt made you feel like you was watching me. I'm sorry. If I'm a little little windy, but I really liked this fucking match. You saw me. I was giddy. I was I was getting up on my seat for a second. You don't normally get those moments in wrestling because some sometimes as a wrestling fan, when you've been watching it too much, it becomes predictable. But then you saw, oh guillotine, and you saw the and the carnivor, so I'm like, You saw that. That is what wrestling is all about. I should be doing that shit constantly. And then you should have moments where this is actually a really good fucking match. Because you thought it was gonna be a stink.

SPEAKER_03 1:29:11

Yeah, well, it's interesting. I never thought this match would have been the stinker. You didn't think it might deliver. Um to be honest, I really did not know what to get from this match. I I was I will say I was more actually no, I think that would I think that would be that one kind of hits it. You didn't you didn't think it was? I didn't think it was going to deliver on the hype that they was able to generate for it. Yeah, you know what I'm saying? Cause like on the exact opposite. No, no, well at first, I would have told you that Randy Orton and Cody Rhodes was going to be the match for WrestleMania until they stuck their dick in it and named it Pat McAfee and just slapped and fucked it all up. Once they did that, all the credibility for that match was out the window. And then once we got to the match, they were all like, well, fuck, we already fucked it up. Let's just double down and keep fucking it, right? And that's exactly what they did. And that match became a shit show of an event, of a main event. And so going into this match, this match was the match that at the very beginning, I'm like, I don't give a fuck about Roman Reigns and CM Punk. And then the promo side happened. And halfway through this process, I'm like, you know what? I give a fuck about Roman Reigns and CM Punk. And then they almost lost me. But they but they was able to hold together at the last minute. And then because of that bit, I'm like, I bet they're gonna fuck this matchup between Roman Reigns and CM Punk.

SPEAKER_02 1:31:32

Like the promos being a little good and almost oh, it might be really good. Man, it'd be bad if the match was asked, though. Because then that means that bill was for nothing.

SPEAKER_03 1:31:42

For nothing. And out of everything in this WrestleMania, the one thing that held through was this match.

SPEAKER_02 1:31:57

If anything, this if the house was built off this mania, the motherfucking main event was the basement. If you fall through any of the other fucking matches, which is again, say your point, Rhea versus uh uh uh uh Jay would be the top portion of the house. If your ass falls through this motherfucker, that basement, it will catch your ass.

SPEAKER_03 1:32:24

And definitely it caught and saved mania. But see, the funny thing is, is the fact that if if if the top of the house was that match, funny enough, the roof is still fine. Because that match was actually relatively good.

SPEAKER_02 1:32:44

I'm gonna say if if everything else, if anyone, if every one of those matches failed through, then that's what I just would have caught it.

SPEAKER_03 1:32:51

Oh, yeah, no, no, for sure. But just specifically with that, like everything falls through. The basement still catches it, but the roof is still attacked. The roof is pretty good still, like the roof wasn't bad. Just with that analogy. But nonetheless, this match was this match was WrestleMania. Yes, all right, personified. This match was a WrestleMania match. Personified. This match damn near was the only WrestleMania match that we had. Like, if I if you when I look at the card across, I would say uh uh Sami Zayn and Trick Williams is how a WrestleMania should start. That would be the first match on a WrestleMania. Yes. Drew McIntyre and uh uh uh uh Fatu, that is a good match that could have they could have had in the middle. All right, that was fine. The uh out of the female matches, I sorry, as out of the women's titles matches, the two women's title matches that we had, we can just act as if Stephanie Vacare and uh what's her name, that as far as I can say, that that that belt could have just disappeared, all right. Rhea Ripley and Jade Cargill was the women's match, and it's crazy for me to say this, but that was the women's match out of all of them. We at least deserved because it was kind of good.

SPEAKER_02 1:34:26

Crazy to say, I can't believe it was good, especially as much as the AJ Lee fan is correct, but that match barely happened.

SPEAKER_03 1:34:36

That was a pre-show match, yeah. The women's tag match, that was a pre-show match. The heavyweight title match for the women's, that damn so you're a pre-show match.

SPEAKER_02 1:34:51

So you telling me if this was an actual pay-per-view, three of the pre-show matches would have been women's matches and one would have been for the guys. That I feel I feel like I feel like that audience would hate WWE for that.

SPEAKER_03 1:35:09

I hate well, I'm sorry. I hate TKO for that.

SPEAKER_02 1:35:13

Yes. Say it again, say it louder.

SPEAKER_03 1:35:16

I hate TKO for that, but but that's just the way it crumbles. That's just the way that it kind of was set up, like because those matches were just bad, they weren't good, they didn't feel like anything WrestleMania, you know what I'm saying? This match did, but this match definitely felt like a main event WrestleMania match.

SPEAKER_02 1:35:37

The psychology alone of you know, Roman is very well known for starting his matches slow, he likes things to build. We've seen that throughout the years, and having the moment where Punk and him are just looking at each other and you don't know what they're saying, you really want to know what they're saying, but then they slow walk around each other like lions, get ready to pounce on each other. And CM Punk gets the headlock. He loses it for a second, they're like they have a little box like a miscommunication, and he pushes them, like, yo, get your head in the game, and then he does it again. Remember, he was trying to like roll them over and it like was well.

SPEAKER_03 1:36:13

I don't think that that was just them feeding into the match.

SPEAKER_02 1:36:17

Well, no, no, no, no. I'm just saying, like, they had that moment where he was coming out of the headlock and he was kind of grabbing his arm and it was swirling or whatever, and it just looked really off. So then they broke out and he just yo! Like it felt like he was kind of like waking up, like, yo, we're here, bro, we're good. And he does the headlock again. So whatever that spot he was originally trying to do, it's like he was trying to do it now. And then boom, and this is the Irish whip, and they're going back and forth. And it was interesting enough to see Punk getting a lot of the offense at the beginning, you know, because normally that's what the heel does. So are you telling us technically punk was that?

SPEAKER_03 1:36:52

I don't, I'm not gonna say that, but I mean he did low blow him in the middle of the match, which you got some explain to do punk as a face. Well, let's be real now. Remember what CM Punk said when he first came back? I'm here to make money. He ain't here to make friends, but so he never said he was a good guy.

SPEAKER_02 1:37:18

He got his receipt. If we don't recall, Roman blatantly DQ'd he using a weapon right in front of the fucking ref.

SPEAKER_03 1:37:30

Yeah, I mean, yeah, that there is that there is a receipt back. There was that whole thing that I th probably the most questionable thing of the night. It actually is the most questionable thing about mania ever. Like to be like, bro, we was I was I was he looked at the ref in his eyes and said, I'm gonna hit him with this steel, I'm gonna hit him with these steps, and the ref's like, no, you that's bad. And then he looked at the referee, do something about it. And it's just like, and the referee sat there like get in the ring, damn it. Stop. I'll next, I'll disqualify you next time. No, you won't, no, you won't, two, because this was all while they're just standing around outside the fucking ring. No count. No count.

SPEAKER_02 1:38:25

Man, ref's ref's uh referees discretion is is is really kind of bullshit nowadays.

SPEAKER_03 1:38:34

Listen, he what was it? Even in the announcers, the announcer was all like, I mean, I guess the referees using discretion. I'm like, oh my god, that's that's what we do now, huh? We're just we're just using I'm mad that they're taking shit from AEW like that. Like that, that's an AEW thing, goddammit. Like, that's a New Japan thing.

SPEAKER_02 1:38:57

Because New Japan, as you've seen, niggas be straight jumping, referee on the damn.

SPEAKER_03 1:39:03

See, I I don't that that's more than referee's discretion. That's don't know what you want to call it.

SPEAKER_02 1:39:09

I'm blind. I'm deaf. I wanna be a ref.

SPEAKER_03 1:39:12

New Japan is a whole nother conversation when it comes to their referees just just blamely letting shit fly. That's that's not a that's not referee's discretion. You literally gotta kill that nigga. I don't even just I don't know. I don't I don't damn I just said it. Shit. New Japan, that needs that that that needs to be studied, all right? That needs to be studied. But as far as this goes, I don't get it, but I mean, I guess it's the we need a person to win, so you know, using the wheel.

SPEAKER_02 1:39:48

I guess it's with us business. But overall, uh, the spots that we had on here, the part where we got the trio world punk, we get three Superman punches, and one of them actually might have potatoed his ass. He starts bleeding out the mouse. So he he he really got hit by one of them. And as the match progressed, again, we get still steps, we get back in the ring, more ring psychology, as we have literally a submission spot fest, which was great. We got both guys hitting their submission holds, kind of just saying, Hey, well, I could do what you do, and I could do what you do. And then I was gonna add a sharpshooter in there, and then I got kicked in the face. And at this point, as he goes back into the guillotine, I thought this was when the matchup. There were so many times where I'm looking at, like, I know Roman's winning. Just when is it happening? So we can skip, can we get it out the way already? Like, just get it out the way. Because that part of you as a fan is really hoping that your guy wins, but you just know there's no reason to believe in that, but you still got that belief, you're still holding on to it. But here's the thing you know the inevitable is about to happen. You're just like, man, just go ahead and do it, bro. Just go ahead and do it. So that way I can move on with my life, and that's how I felt a lot of this match. I know Roman is winning this, I know it. But every moment it's like all punch down, this is it. All right, let's go ahead and do it, bro. It's like go ahead, just take me out, man. Just go ahead. That's how I felt.

SPEAKER_04 1:41:31

Alrighty.

The Lost Art Of Selling

SPEAKER_03 1:41:34

So Roman Reigns wins. Going back into something I started to bring up with Roman Reigns winning doesn't bother me as much. But it's the visual of him winning. So here we are, we have this big, long, drawn out, almost pretty well, like 23, 24 minute match, alright? It was 32. Oh, it was 32. Okay, so 32-minute match, right? CM Punk has been bloodied, you know what I'm saying? There's there's literally that the the point which was towards the end where you know CM Punk was about to try and hit the GTS on him again, and CM Punk got tired and he fell, and this, that, and the other, and then it's like for me, when I'm going back talking about how I missed when the wrestlers left it all in the ring, and like there was a there was so much of a struggle that even though you've won, you like you don't have any energy left, and all this kind of things. When you look at the way the finish was, CM Punk was standing there in the middle of the ring, and Roman Reigns, he bounces off this rope. No, he bounces off this rope, bounces off this rope, and then hits him with a spear. Okay. And in my mind, I'm like, and maybe this is just a me thing, but I feel as if like that that almost undermines all of the abuse, pain, suffering y'all went through in that match, that you still had enough energy to just do a wind-up spear attempt, and then at the end, you stand up tall as if none of that shit you just went through happened. You've been GTS like once or twice in this match. You should be fucking dazed, you should be tired, you should be selling your head, selling everything. You should be gassed, stumbling is a tribal chief. Okay, sure. All right. Yeah, if that's what you want to say it is, then okay. But at the same time, for me, it takes away. It it doesn't because like my man went out there to kiss his kids. Yeah, like all right, it was just another walk in the park. All right, cool. So Punk sold that shit. Yeah, yeah. Punk didn't get up for nothing. Yeah, yes. But it's like y'all make it as if like punk did not give him an equal amount of a beatdown where he should be feeling it. Yeah, like he needs to be he, he's not, he's up here belt in hand doing this, not ah ah like like he like he felt nothing. Sure, it's Roman Reigns, the tribal chief. Fuck out of here with that dumb shit. Like, give me something, let me feel something.

SPEAKER_02 1:44:53

You know what I'm saying? He gave you video game effects.

SPEAKER_03 1:44:56

Well, in fact, now even video games, that's when they get the pen, they'll get up like yes, give me something, let me chew on something, let me make it real to some degree. Please, you know, make at least look like it was a challenge, you know what I'm saying? Like, where I feel like this, the the art of selling, and especially at this higher level of WWE, or any on TV wrestling at this point, it's it's tossed out the window.

SPEAKER_02 1:45:36

It really just depends on the wrestler. Because some wrestlers, like again, like Punk, he sold that shit. He was in that ring. Yes, he sold it, but at the same time, he's also the one who lost.

SPEAKER_03 1:45:47

Which some people will lose and just roll out the ring and be gone. Which is true, but it but which is a true situation, and sure, CM Punk did sell it, but at the same time, like for the roll out the ring, and they get you know and they walk away. Yeah, shame on them for that, but at the same time, CM Punk went through just as much torture as Roman Reigns did, is the main bit here. And it's like for Roman Reigns to not sell to any of the match at the end, to me, it's it boggles my mind. And this is a like across the board. Cause like with the RIA in like with the RIA match, like she got the pen, and then it's like she's celebrating like she didn't just get her ass beat. Jade out here out there, like so like as if like she got hit with the riptide, and and but like she recovered from it like no sell. No selling on these moves. Now then we had but then you know now Cody Rhodes, like he was out here. Now, granted, he also actually legitimately got kicked the shit out of the box. But like, you know, yes, Cody Rhodes, he sells his injury. Now, Randy Orton, it it's kind of like kind of the same thing, where it's like he won, but it was like, no, no, sorry, Randy Orton didn't win. Jesus Christ.

SPEAKER_02 1:47:26

No, bomb, not bomb, uh Cody, yeah, Cody, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:47:29

Cody won and kind of thing. But it was like Randy Orton doesn't sell the crossroads. But then again, I guess there's just the fact that he only did one of them. I guess no one sells the crossroads. He only did one, but then again, that was also just a really city match.

SPEAKER_02 1:47:41

I guess he did three.

SPEAKER_03 1:47:42

Maybe that you know, maybe let me not talk about that match because that one kind of don't count because that was a really bad, like that whole shit that was all a shit show. But my main thing that I'm getting across, or the point that I'm trying to get across, is the fact like I really wish that we would get more of these, like I wish we could have the match like finishes of matches actually matter. Like you would before, like now, grant CM Punk will probably come back on Monday and he'll he might have like a tape over his head because he did get busted open or or something. But it's like, you know, whenever you would used to see people, they would have these grueling ass matches, they look like they went to the water, and they will and they will come back the next day taped up, like they went to like they actually went to war. They would end the match looking like they were battle-ridden, battle-torn, and we and no one does that anymore, which makes it feel as if like was it even that tough of a match then?

SPEAKER_02 1:48:38

Like this is why we have to say that anything past the era of uh ruthless, anything past ruthless aggression stopped that. Ruthless aggression, I feel like, was the last era that did that, truly. Yeah, probably. Because that unfortunately was when uh Taker was still proactive in that locker room, and he probably came up and said, Hey, didn't you just get flipped in a car not too long ago, Hunter? But yeah, I'm I'm good. Bro, wear something over your eye, man, at least. I mean, you don't gotta wear a knack brackless, but like, but just you did get flipped in a fucking car. You do remember that, right? Yeah, yeah, I remember that. So I put something on you, man. Fuck. Sell the shit. Cause that shit was crazy, my nigga. He got flipped in a car. He was there the next fucking night. But he was bandaged.

SPEAKER_03 1:49:33

Yeah, the art of selling is unfortunately dying and continuing to die. I wish I but it it hurts me. But overall, though, that gripe aside. The match was great. The only WrestleMania match that we had. The truth. The only WrestleMania match.

SPEAKER_02 1:49:53

But you did, but again, you gotta look at the people that was in it. You got CM Punk, you got Roman Reigns. One who's really great at Building the story and giving that underdog feeling. And Roman Reigns, who is honestly a really great storyteller when it comes to his matches, as of nowadays. He likes to play it slow. He likes to build up. And he likes to you know give his opponents those moments to shine. But yes, and there's gonna be a point where he gets that spear, and you just know it's over. But he gets you he gets you there how he does. Either way, night two was actually good, guys.

Night Two Verdict And Raw After Mania

SPEAKER_02 1:50:37

It was actually good.

SPEAKER_03 1:50:39

It was fine. It's actually good. It was fine. Alright. Ultimately, it was I can't I I want to really call it good, but I feel as if it is good compared to what we've got to all right. It is good compared to what we've got.

SPEAKER_02 1:50:59

You guys say it's almost the bare minimum.

SPEAKER_03 1:51:02

Yes. Now I will say this night. I would say that night two is easily better than just WrestleMania last year. Alright. Night two was better than just all of WrestleMania last year. All of it. Every last bit of it. Night two. Much better. Night one last night's last night's paper is on par with last year's WrestleMania. Night one was just all of last year's WrestleMania. You said had that same sting. Absolutely same sting. And it was, yeah. And so this night, night two, it got shower. It was, yeah, that's that's a good way to put it. It got a shower, so it didn't stink. Sure, it definitely could have been a whole lot more presentable, but you know what?

SPEAKER_02 1:52:01

At least we can be in its presence right now. Exactly. It's like going to a con and meet one of them that don't shower. Uh anyway, I will agree that this mania was at least bare minimum good. It again, night two made you feel like you were watching mania, right? And in the beginning, not so much, especially with night one, night two, you actually felt like, okay, I can actually have a good time now and enjoy the show. And we all did, we definitely all did. And I'm very curious on the road, oh no, Rose, I'm very curious on the raw after mania. And what kind of nonsense are we gonna have there?

SPEAKER_03 1:52:48

If it continues with the case that we've been getting for Raw After WrestleMania's as of recent, it's going to be worth skipping. But hey, Raw After Mania, prove me wrong. I I hope I say that it's worth skipping and it can turns out to be the best Raw on God's Green Earth.

SPEAKER_02 1:53:14

Raw's night wanted mania. SmackDown will be SmackDown.

SPEAKER_03 1:53:22

I think where's the oh the SmackDown? What to watch the SmackDown?

SPEAKER_02 1:53:26

Yeah, because because again, you know how if night because most of night one, well, no, no, Roman has the the raw title. Never mind. Roman has the raw title now. So SmackDown, yeah, SmackDown will be the one that's probably bad. Um, but we also do want to know, guys, what are you guys' opinions on this, man? We we yapped about what we thought about mania. We yapped about, you know, it's good, it's pros and cons. But we would love to also hear from you guys on how you felt about mania overall this weekend, if night one was better or night two was better.

SPEAKER_03 1:53:58

But I remember looking at one of the comments on TikTok and someone was like, it wasn't mid. And I was like, motherfucker, what was it, then? Yeah, night that night one. I wish you would have looked me in my look me through the TikTok video and tell me it was higher than mid. Because it was below mid. But yeah, no, he hasn't said anything back, by the way.

SPEAKER_02 1:54:23

And I hope he doesn't. I don't want to have to make a fool of himself. Don't don't do it, especially after this one. Don't do it. But anything you would like to add on before we kind of close things out talking about manion?

SPEAKER_03 1:54:36

Um man, bring Vince McMahon. I'm kidding. I'm kidding.

SPEAKER_02 1:54:41

I'm kidding. Everybody was saying that after night one. Everybody was saying that after night one. Like, I think the show ended with bring back Vince, bring back Vince. I do remember hearing that shit.

SPEAKER_03 1:54:52

Listen, Vince is not gonna make anything better. I didn't think funny enough. You really think about it? Vince is the reason why we're in this fucking situation that we're in right now. Yeah, him selling selling WWE. He gave WWE to TKO, and now here we are. So fuck Vince.

SPEAKER_02 1:55:05

Well, you know, and then which is like I think I sent you the post. It was like people saying, bring bad Vince, bring bad Vince. It's like, and it's like John C. Are you sure about that? Oh, yeah. And it shows all of Vince's ideas. And I'm like, yeah, but every once in a while, as a creative, we're gonna have stinkers.

SPEAKER_03 1:55:22

Yeah, sure. Every once in a while we're going to have stinkers, but right now we've just been having nothing but no.

SPEAKER_02 1:55:29

I'm just talking about as in the sake of Vince and all his stinker ideas, you know. Oh yeah, we're gonna all have stinkers as creatives. Like, I mean, I look at my music catalog and I'm like, man, I was listening back to it. I'm like, yo, man, that song was a stinker. And it'd be, and the funny ones be every one of them I hate, you fucking love that shit. Like, I fucking hate ORMC, bro. But you love that shit.

SPEAKER_03 1:55:56

Which is interesting that you hate that track. But I mean, it's fair.

SPEAKER_02 1:56:02

I honestly think uh as a creative, sometimes there's certain like it's probably a song that you hate, and I love it.

SPEAKER_03 1:56:08

Oh, that's well, I don't know. I know there's I mean, there are plenty of songs that I'm like, man, I I could go without never doing it again, but and then I bet you I'd be like, Man, that's that shit.

SPEAKER_02 1:56:19

What you talking about?

SPEAKER_03 1:56:21

I know for well, to this day, it's still Lotus Flower Bomb for me. That you don't like that one? No, I don't. What that was bad. See what I'm saying? That was a good one. Well, apparently to everybody else it was, yeah, and that's what I'm saying. Those those horribly freestyle lyrics, bruh, bruh.

SPEAKER_02 1:56:41

That's how I felt about when I was listening to uh I forgot what song was it? Um I was listening to something off mashing buttons, and I was like, man, what the fuck with these lyrics, bro? God damn, and I was just like, but it if I bet you if I play you the song, you'd be like, bro, what's wrong with you? That song's fire though.

SPEAKER_03 1:57:02

Yeah, but I mean, as far as as far as as far as the whole bring back vents type thing, it's one of those things where I mean, to a small degree, it's a little unfair to say because like Mr. McMahon had a lot more hits than he had misses. It's just that we remember those misses. Those misses are very, very vividly remembered.

SPEAKER_02 1:57:24

It's like somebody punching a hole in the wall, and it's like, eh, Nick, I can't miss that.

SPEAKER_03 1:57:28

Like, I can't ignore that one. I'm sorry. But like, uh, but that but it's one of those deals where it's like then compared to triple H right now, Triple H can't make a new star. He we're still skating off the stars that Vince McMahon made.

SPEAKER_02 1:57:40

So it's like, but you know, Sean Michaels could there is there are we are we telling are we are we saying that now triple H has to step down so Sean Triple H walks so Shawn Michaels can run?

SPEAKER_03 1:57:53

No, no, no, no Shawn Michaels is running because Triple H asked him to.

SPEAKER_02 1:58:00

No, no, no. I'm just saying, like, Triple H walked when it came with NXT and made great content, and then he leaves and Shawn Michaels is running. But now, as he's gone into the main roster, Triple H is getting up but stinkers.

SPEAKER_03 1:58:15

Oh, well, yeah, that part, yes. But I also would say that comparably speaking,

WWE Business Model Vs NXT And AEW

SPEAKER_03 1:58:24

NXT is actually being ran like a wrestling company. WWE, Raw, and SmackDown, those are no, no, no, no, they are being run like Fortune 5 businesses, not wrestling company, they're being it's being ran like a business. That's my take on the difference between why NXT is so still relatively cool to watch and still pretty decent compared to WWE.

SPEAKER_02 1:59:04

With that logic alone, anytime when we say, Man, this feels very business. Well, hey, homie, that is what the wrestling business is. But that's the thing though.

SPEAKER_03 1:59:14

Well, it it is the wrestling business is a business, but like there is certain things that go down in the in the bubble that is wrestling. There's a very specific way that wrestling works. And WWE proper, the part that is mostly the TKO side of WWE, is not running like that. WWE, Raw and SmackDown proper are not running like your standard wrestling business, they're running like a sports business or something. Whatever it is that they're running like, whatever it is that they're trying to do, it's not what is wrestling. Now NXT is still being ran like how wrestling is, they do things that are synonymous with how wrestling has been done for decades, type thing. When you look at AEW, AEW is kind of sort of AEW is still a wrestling business that's being ran like a wrestling business, but they're trying to figure out how to run it like how TKO does, and they're doing a horrible job at it, and that's why AEW sucks right now.

SPEAKER_02 2:00:42

So well, no, here's the thing. So basically, an equivalent of WWE is 20% wrestling, 80% advertisement. AEW is 80% wrestling, 20% advertisement, but they want to be an opposite.

SPEAKER_03 2:00:55

But yeah, it it it almost feels like they want to be the opposite. There are it's almost like AEW's like, man, we want to do what WWE's doing, but we have all of these actual good wrestlers don't want no parts of that who are trying to actually just be in a wrestling business, even though we're trying to be getting sponsors and all this dumb shit type thing. And and it and it and that and they're they're trying so hard to focus on the part that ruins wrestling with people who don't know how to do that part. Like it's uh it's a very topsy turvy world that we're currently living in with this uh wrestling climate. And uh funny enough, it'll I think I'm going to have some great fun with some of the things that we're planning on doing in the next couple of months because we're not gonna just be talking about shitty wrestling, we're gonna be talking to actually good wrestlers. Oh, yeah, yeah, we'll be having some guests on here too. Yeah, we're finally going to start tapping into the guests that we have because there's quite a few wrestlers who are local around in our area who we just want to sit down and just shoot the shit about wrestling and maybe feel good about wrestling again.

SPEAKER_02 2:02:15

Because goddamn, you know, and because as wrestling fans, we're gonna ask the question what are your what is your what was the match that got you into wrestling? What was the match, or who's the guy, who's the person, you know? Uh, and I really feel like, man, I don't I don't know if we ever had that conversation. I mean, like, we talked about like obviously the thing that we saw that got us into wrestling, but what was the match that made you say, Oh, I'm in this shit now? Think back up, think back to that one.

SPEAKER_03 2:02:42

I'm pretty certain that we had that conversation.

SPEAKER_02 2:02:44

I think I think so, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 2:02:45

I know. I I think my answer was I don't remember. Because like I have really weird memory of wrestling because I've literally been watching it since I came out the week.

SPEAKER_02 2:02:56

I think it was really Austin versus D Lo for me. I want to say it was that one where he was with the truck and he was beating all of the nation of domination with his fucking truck.

SPEAKER_03 2:03:07

Oh, yeah, there's that.

SPEAKER_02 2:03:08

Yeah. But uh I wanted to also do another challenge. Um uh I had I had thought about, you know, how you always thought about like, hey, what would be your new Japan, you know, uh announcer thing, which I do want to do that. I still want to do that. Uh, and then also I wanted to challenge us and say, like, hey, if you had a theme song, right? I think we talked about what our favorite theme songs are, but if you had a theme song for wrestling currently, what would be your theme song?

SPEAKER_03 2:03:41

My current wrestling theme song?

SPEAKER_02 2:03:43

Yeah, like if you if you had if you were a wrestler right now, you can gimmick at everything, what would be your theme song? Your theme song kind of tells everything about you. Well, see, no, don't don't tell me now. I I was gonna say, well, unless you know what it is, I was gonna challenge to see.

SPEAKER_03 2:03:59

I well, see so now it depends. Are you saying just from a song that I know, or if I was taking a current wrestler's theme song?

SPEAKER_02 2:04:08

No, your own, like, okay, if you looked up your song, and you know how indie wrestling or any kind of wrestling.

SPEAKER_03 2:04:14

No, I got that already. Oh, because Nats, it's uh it's a track that Natsu made, and he actually based it off of the uh uh Sonic uh Sonic CD uh uh speedway track. Okay, yeah, it's that song.

SPEAKER_02 2:04:25

I'm gonna have to hear that because the challenge was uh, which is you already had your answer. The challenge was you telling your your the colleague what the song would be, and then I tell you, actually, I think it would have been this song, right? Just going off of who we are, what we like, and just guessing what I think your song would be. Because I have two songs that come to my mind, and I'm like, this is totally swag right here. Like, swag would actually come out to the ring to this song. I see that shit. Gotcha.

SPEAKER_03 2:04:59

Oh, yeah, no, no, no. I I already have it queued up, bruv. Like I listen, you're talking to someone who's been wrestling training. I got the song in my back pocket. As a matter of fact, I'm pretty certain I've even asked uh uh uh Natsu Fuji. Shout out to Natsu Fuji. I even asked him, I was like, I'm pretty certain I asked him like a while back. He's given me the song already. I planned on rapping on it, but like I was all like, nah, this right here, and when I would play it for you, it'll make sense because it sounds like other theme songs I've used for myself in the past on wrestling games anyway. Okay. But freaking outside of that, stay tuned for our uh for this for some of the content we got coming up soon. Yep, yep, yep. Like I said, we got to talk about AEW too. We got interviews coming up. Oh, yeah, we gotta finally have just a nice long sit-down and just just get the AEW shit out the way because boy, oh boy, though it's been WrestleMania season, AEW's been making some uh moves to say the least.

SPEAKER_02 2:06:05

And south Darby Island for one championship. You earned that, bro. You earned that. Oh you deserve it. Oh, that's what you're doing, hey bro. Man, he put AEW flag on Mount Fuji. Not Mount Fuji, uh Mount Everest. Mount Everest, yeah. Sorry, you said that's who Fuji was in my mind. Uh uh Mount Everest, he put the flag on Mount Everest, man. I mean, and some of the bumps that man be taking. Uh I mean, listen, it's a choice. It's a choice. Hey, look, you ain't say that shit when Mankind falls off the fucking cell.

SPEAKER_03 2:06:43

No correlation, bro. I don't know. No correlation, and there is no fucking correlation. There's no correlation between Darby Allen and Mankind falling off the cell, bro.

SPEAKER_02 2:06:53

Do you not remember half the shit Darby is done? Do you not remember the time Darby made it? No, no, no, it just lands. No, no, no, no, no, no, no. Let's talk about this real quick. Darby Allen on top of a ladder in a ring flips to hit Jeff Hardy, but lands on straight chairs. You're telling me that is and that's 16 feet.

SPEAKER_00 2:07:14

And same thing happened with the homeboy hitting the table. But he hits table and he hits chairs. Come on.

SPEAKER_03 2:07:23

And you're saying that's worth him getting the title? No, I'm just saying. What I'm saying is like he earned his shit.

SPEAKER_02 2:07:30

Like he he given his body to the business, just like how Nick did. That's what I'm saying.

SPEAKER_03 2:07:40

Bro, I am not in the mind frame. I just got done dealing with ass WrestleMania. I am not in the mind frame to have this AEW talk right now.

SPEAKER_02 2:07:53

We will have the AEW talk, but we'll be just spilling out our analysis. So you can see obviously why you need to come back for the next episode when we are having that conversation. Because this nigga's ready to shit on AEW. He is ready to just straight let that out. But overall, guys, please let us know in the comments what you thought about WrestleMania 42

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SPEAKER_02 2:08:15

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SPEAKER_03 2:09:01

And your boy Swag Switch in the board.

SPEAKER_02 2:09:04

So next time. All right. Boy. Right. I'm ready to read for I'm ready. I'm ready for uh let's see what happens. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Also, wrestle talk, bro. We gotta talk, man. Y'all took our idea, bro. Y'all took our idea, man. Mad about that.

SPEAKER_03 2:09:28

Unforgivable.