Elias AK47 Roman

One night can reroute your whole life, and for Elias “AK-47” Roman, it starts at five years old with a John Cena poster, a somehow-free WrestleMania, and the kind of match that makes grown fans cry. He tells us why Shawn Michaels vs Ric Flair hit him so hard, how that emotion pulled him into WWE, and how the obsession turned into a real plan to step between the ropes.

We go deep on the grind behind indie wrestling and wrestling training: getting his start in Greensboro, learning around rising talent, and eventually moving to Florida to chase bigger opportunities. Roman also breaks down the details that fans love but most people never hear about, like how entrance music gets chosen, why his theme has that heavy bass, and what he does backstage to get locked in before the curtain.

Then we zoom out to the bigger pro wrestling conversation: why realism feels more common in today’s product, why being a heel comes more naturally for him, and what he thinks separates a wrestler who’s “cool” from one who’s truly dangerous on the mic. We talk dream promotions like Ring of Honor, AEW, and New Japan Pro Wrestling, favorite wrestlers like Kenny Omega and Okada, plus dream matches and the Undertaker era he’d pick if he could time travel.

To close it out, we put him through our Book Bump Or Bury gauntlet across the Attitude Era, Ruthless Aggression, and NJPW’s golden run, and the answers are guaranteed to start arguments. Subscribe for more interviews with local talent, share this with a wrestling friend, and leave us a review with your own Book Bump Or Bury picks.

Transcript

Introductions And Clearing The Air

SPEAKER_05 0:10

Welcome to another episode of the Big Brothers of Destruction podcast. Stugo is Tomataku.

SPEAKER_04 0:17

And it's your boy, Swat Switch in the building.

SPEAKER_05 0:19

Awesome. And we have here a guest with us today. And I'm going to allow them to introduce themselves because, as we see, they got about around them. And I want them to explain what they're doing.

SPEAKER_00 0:30

You got a little soul to me in the flesh, the lines AK47 Roman. Live.

SPEAKER_05 0:37

Live and full effect. And we want to appreciate you being here today and giving us an opportunity here at the podcast to hear your story and just kind of tell us your love of wrestling because that's generally where this uh podcast came from. Me and Swag, uh, we met each other young, we were young kids, and uh we found out, oh snap, we both like wrestling, and we just kind of ran with the the the for the races from there. But what we want to do, like I said before, is just hear a little bit about your story and kind of understand where you came from when it comes to wrestling, like maybe any of your favorites and things of that nature. So let's let's kind of start things off from there. Tell us your originalized.

SPEAKER_04 1:16

Yeah, here's what I'm saying. Now, now before you do start though, I do want to say, because you know, uh in at you know, in some places where we both tread, you know, my boys got a little bit of a problem with your boys. But I just want to I'm just want to say, for for the for the sake of the pod, you know what I'm saying? We're we're gonna keep it kosher, we're gonna keep it professional, you know, we'll leave the life stuff and you know, the we're gonna leave, we will leave that to the side. Let bygones be bygones. We we're gonna be cool for this moment, all right? Just that's why I'm the champ, because I'm a pro. Okay. I know how to do business. Oh, okay, okay. We'll keep it business. Yeah, we'll keep it business. That origin

The WrestleMania Match That Hooked Him

SPEAKER_04 2:00

story. Hit us with it.

SPEAKER_00 2:02

Yeah, so it started. Uh I was five years old. I didn't know nothing about wrestling. I I didn't know nothing. I was five years old. Um, but I seen my friend, he had a poster of John Stena, uh, and I was like, who's that? And he's like, oh, that's John Cena or whatever, and you should watch wrestling. And I was like, I don't know about that, whatever. And then on TV, it was a Sunday, and there was WrestleMania. Somehow we got it for free. I ain't gonna say how. But we got WrestleMania for free. And then the first match that I saw was uh Shawn Michaels versus Rick Flyer. I was there at that one too. And that's that's the only match I remember from that night. Um, there was like people crying, all this stuff. And I mean as a kid, I was like, why the heck they crying? Like, you know, I I didn't get it at the moment. But I was so like invested, and like people were so invested into that match that I wanted to get invested into it. So after that, I started watching Raw, SmackDown, started watching everything. And then yeah, from that, that's when I wanted to become a wrestler, and then here we are.

SPEAKER_04 3:10

Damn, that's a good one. That's such a good uh that if that is like a very perfect pay-per-view, especially with all the matches that we had on that night. There was a ladder match, freaking uh Undertaker, who would he fight? I think he fought uh I think he fought Edge, if I'm not mistaken. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. That was uh where he thought he could beat the streak, yeah. People got set on fire in the stands, like it's a good WrestleMania. Good WrestleMania.

SPEAKER_05 3:36

Very good one. And I mean, with the story of Ric Flair and Shawn Michaels in general, that was just peak cinema, especially with a I'm sorry, uh kick. And it was just like for Ric Flair to ride off in the sunset at that moment would have been perfect.

SPEAKER_04 3:51

But then there's TNA, so yeah, there's TNA and Ric Flair's Ric Flair. I think he always said the fact that uh he had to go back to working because he got a divorce. I'm like, well, yes.

SPEAKER_05 4:02

Yes. But uh to hear that that was the match for you, you know, that kind of got you invested into wrestling. Um, did you ever do anything as a kid, like play any wrestling games? Did you ever have any siblings you wrestled with? Like, how is that flow of after watching that?

SPEAKER_00 4:23

Yeah, um, me and my I have an older brother. He's like uh a year or two older than me. Um, we would always wrestle. Our parents would tell us to stop. We'd keep wrestling, um, her and ourselves, all that. But um, yeah, playing video games, wrestling video games, everything wrestling after that. Wrestling toys, everything was was about wrestling after that. So I got like fully invested into wrestling and nothing else.

SPEAKER_04 4:47

Full tilt.

SPEAKER_05 4:48

Yeah. Man, he said he had wrestling toys. Swag. We don't we don't meet a lot of people that understand the toys like we did back in the day, man.

SPEAKER_04 4:56

Listen. Listen. Now, like, I'm sure you probably had the wrestling ring. Did you have any other like extra bits? Like, did you get the Titan Tron?

SPEAKER_00 5:06

Uh, I had the money in the bank, the Jack Specific money in the bank. Yeah. And then I have the ring with it. But that's that's the only thing I had, yeah. That's fair. Hey, no steel cage. No, no, I that's okay. I wanted to, but we ain't we ain't had it like that back then.

SPEAKER_04 5:25

That's valid. Same with steel cage. You ain't wrong. Listen, them steel cage steel cage was like that was like $30, $40 plus.

SPEAKER_05 5:32

It was like $50, bro. I remember it's like $50.

SPEAKER_04 5:35

That thing was expensive. That's one of those things. Like you're bringing them on, they're all like, what? How much is that? Mmm. Put that shit back. Put it back. Yeah. Put it back. Or they'll hit you with the not today. Not today. And the day never comes. They never can. Never can.

SPEAKER_05 5:52

So knowing that you also, you know, uh were using toys and playing with the wrestling toys and everything and had your own setup. So you mentioned games. So we are also very big when it comes to wrestling games too. Did you have a favorite growing up?

SPEAKER_00 6:09

Oh man. I like um SmackDown versus Raw 2006, I believe it was.

SPEAKER_05 6:16

It's a good one. It's a good one.

SPEAKER_00 6:18

Yeah. It was like a like a three-pack. I think it was SmackDown versus Raw, SmackDown versus Raw Tallin' 6, and then 2007. It came like in a three-pack one. That wasn't the ECW one, was it? Uh I'm not, I don't think I was. I think ECW was a 2008 one. I think you might be right on that. Yeah, I think you might be right with that one.

SPEAKER_05 6:35

I'm gonna look at the bigger one.

SPEAKER_00 6:35

But it was a three-pack that I have for the PS2. And I killed all those games. Tallin' six was my favorite one.

SPEAKER_05 6:45

You know what? This is the good one because this had bumpy knuckles on it. This is the Cena and Batista uh cover one.

SPEAKER_00 6:51

Yeah, yeah, that one.

SPEAKER_02 6:53

You know that chain behind it.

SPEAKER_05 6:55

Bang! Right. Yeah, that's that bumpy knuckles one. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I remember that one. Uh dang, okay, 2006. So we kind of started off at, well, I started off on Warzone. That was the my first game. Same. And I think Warzone was you, okay, cool. We kind of aging ourselves a little bit, so don't mind that.

SPEAKER_06 7:13

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 7:14

But um, for you, since you dabbled into gaming and then also dabbled into toys, when did you finally dabble into getting in the ring?

First Training Steps In Greensboro

SPEAKER_00 7:25

Um, so I I wanted to get into the ring when I was like 12, 13. Well, I always wanted to be a wrestler, but I feel like that was like the the right age. But then, you know, my parents at the moment they weren't, you know, fully 100% with it. Uh, it took some time. Um, and then at 16 is when I finally got into the ring. Um at Firestar for Wrestling in North Carolina. So I did I did Wait, wait, wait, wait.

SPEAKER_05 7:51

What part of North Carolina?

SPEAKER_00 7:52

Greensboro.

SPEAKER_05 7:55

Oh, snap! Wait, wait, wait. Because I was I was training when I was uh 18. I I trained when I was 18, but my dad stopped me. And I was in a I was in a promotion that was in um it was Greensboro too. But I don't know if it was them because their name was um uh it was fire something. It's been so long, goodness gracious. But I only trained for like maybe a little bit, so my dad was like, hey, you can't do this until you graduate. And then when I graduated is when I moved to Florida, and I haven't had the chance to train since.

SPEAKER_00 8:28

But yeah, my my trainer was uh LeBron Cozone. Okay in Greensboro. So I saw um like Devon Evans was there, Jackson Drake. They were there when they were like young, young. So I saw them and I was like, yeah, like all the other promotions, they had like older people, whatever. And you know, as a kid, it's like it's already hard to get into wrestling, like in the business, and you see people older than you, bigger than you, it's like a little intimidating. So I saw those folks down at Firestone, I was like, yeah, let me. And they were doing their thing, so I was like, I can do that.

SPEAKER_04 9:06

See now, see, see that because I was gonna ask you the question, but you you uh you kind of sort of answered it now because I was there on the night when you won the belt. And also who was there, which goodness me, that was a packed match. That was a packed house. And y'all's match, chef's kiss. That like I know I already told you prior, but like for real though, that match, which, if I'm not mistaken, for those who are watching, you can actually go and watch that match on the establishment YouTube channel because it's there. It was you and Mikey Spandex, right?

SPEAKER_01 9:45

Yep.

SPEAKER_04 9:46

But uh, but yeah, so moving forward with it though, Javon Evans was in the building. And I remember when I showed up, they were all like, Hey, do y'all know who's here? And we're like, who's here? Because we was also watching it on like the YouTube at the time, because it was on the YouTube live. And so I was like, look in the front row. Javon Evans is here. We're like, Javon Evans, what the hell he doing here? Who he knows? So, so now that you say that, so you went to the same school as Javon Evans was at training, and that's how y'all know each other.

SPEAKER_00 10:20

Yeah, that's that's my brother. That's my brother.

SPEAKER_05 10:22

That's that's what's up. Yeah, yeah, that's what's up. So it it because we had we had Razion come on here and tell us who what monsters he trained with, which like Ricochet and things of that nature. So you train with Javon Evans and other people, and I don't think he I don't think he's from North Carolina. No, Javon Evans? Yeah, yeah, he he a North Kakalaki boy.

SPEAKER_01 10:43

Yeah, he's from Greensboro.

SPEAKER_05 10:45

Damn, you know, I'm from Goldsboro. That's the funny part. So I'm like, uh So that's why I was like, yeah, um, very very familiar with the area, but my my step sub step siblings are from Greensboro, so that's funny.

SPEAKER_04 10:58

Um, born in North Carolina or No, I I was born in in New York and then we moved to North Carolina when I was like maybe like eight or something like that.

SPEAKER_03 11:08

Okay.

unknown 11:09

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 11:09

How'd you get here?

SPEAKER_01 11:12

Fate destiny.

SPEAKER_05 11:19

That's interesting because most most time for most people from New York, y'all go to Florida, but you went to North Carolina first. That's crazy.

SPEAKER_00 11:26

Uh uh.

SPEAKER_01 11:26

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 11:27

But I always liked Florida. Like the weather's the weather's nice here. Now that I live here, the weather's a little, you know, a little too hot for me. Like wrestling is bigger over here, I feel, than North Carolina. So I wanted to move down for wrestling and all that stuff.

SPEAKER_04 11:41

Okay, that makes sense.

SPEAKER_00 11:42

So how long have you been in Florida? Uh I've been here for I believe three or four years. Oh, so you still fresh. Yeah, fresh.

SPEAKER_04 11:51

Fresh enough. Okay, okay.

Theme Music And Getting Locked In

SPEAKER_04 11:54

Now, I know we also brought up a little bit about music, and I've been waiting to ask about this.

SPEAKER_03 12:00

Your theme song. Yeah. Bro, where did it come from?

SPEAKER_00 12:06

Um that's my boy uh Kyle, he he picked that theme song. Um, I believe it's XXX Sentacion. And then he like he put like an intro in the beginning and the instrumental. Um, but before that, my my theme song was Red Outs by 21 Savage. Okay. Yeah. Alright, let's see where we're going with that. But that was that was more his his thing, and I carried it on. He's not doing it with us anymore, but I kind of, you know, that's a little piece of him that I carry Woogie still.

SPEAKER_04 12:37

Okay, that's nice. The reason why I asked, because like I was able to bring him to one of our one of the last shows, and uh I think at the establishment they did something to the speakers because prior, whenever your theme song would come on, the level of bass that would come out of those speakers was deafening. Yeah, but then like what was it? When I brought him, it sounds like they are like, all right, we don't need him to like break our speaker. So when it comes out, we're just gonna turn it down a little bit. And I'm like, why'd they do that? Why'd they do that?

SPEAKER_00 13:17

They keep trying to turn me down, but you you can't you can't deny me, bro. They keep trying to turn me off.

SPEAKER_04 13:23

Ask me what it is, because like like I uh like we're we're gonna have to like get a sample of it so that we can like let the others understand and know. Because it's straight bass. But it goes hard. I'm not gonna lie.

SPEAKER_05 13:36

Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, I'm not gonna lie. It reminds us back because he the way he reminded me of it was like back in the day when we I used to have this white van and I used to drive, and we used to try to play like the most heavy bass tracks in this car, and it was ridiculous, but it kind of reminded me, and I was like, yo, this bass is crazy, but the intimidation, the like you were in the zone as you come out to the ring. So I'm kind of curious, like every wrestler has pre-match things that they do. I know Hurricane Helms, you used to eat two Reese's P uh Reese's PCs before he goes out to the ring. Do you have any match preparations that kind of get you in the zone?

SPEAKER_00 14:16

Um I just I pace around a lot, um, just trying to like get loose. Um maybe like say a prayer and just go out. Just do my thing. Yeah. It's like once I walk through that curtain, I just I'm locked in, you know?

SPEAKER_01 14:35

Turned on. Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_05 14:37

Yeah. Okay, okay. Um, so with you, you know, being with the establishment so far, is this like the the first promotion you've been working with or um so I did at least in Florida, um I did Tampa Bay Pro for a little bit.

SPEAKER_00 14:54

Um then here at the establishment, and now I'm doing uh CCP also.

SPEAKER_05 14:59

Oh, okay. Yeah. So you've had the chance to travel, so you probably got some wrestler stories with these travels, then is what you're telling.

SPEAKER_00 15:08

Yeah, um, I mean, I I usually travel alone now. Um back then I used to travel with like Javon and and Jackson Drake and all that. But um they were younger, so I was the I was the one driving and they were the one sleeping in the back. Bad, bad, bad.

SPEAKER_04 15:25

So you got anything incriminating on Javon Evans? Yeah, nah.

SPEAKER_01 15:34

We always get like the ass that nah, he's good.

SPEAKER_05 15:38

He's good. Okay, well, any particular stories that you have that you were like, you know, whether if it's on the road, any like uh ribs or anything you guys used to pay. I don't know if you straightforward, like I'm gun ho on the road, or anything that you may have experienced while at uh at certain locations that were just like, oh, that was crazy.

SPEAKER_00 15:56

Um just learning a lot. I mean, we were all pretty like focused on what we were doing. So just learning from LeBron Colzone and Javon and all them. Um it was really good. I feel like I can take that now into what I'm doing. Uh I see Javon a lot, but I don't see LeBron as much, but I still feel like I can take what they taught me into what I'm doing. Um that's why I'm trying to get to another level. Because I see them, they're at another level, and I'm trying to trying to get there with them.

SPEAKER_05 16:30

That makes perfect sense.

Dream Promotions And Favorite Wrestlers

SPEAKER_05 16:31

You're trying to meet them at that level at some point. And you know, obviously we know Javon is in WWE now, and you know, everybody has their dream promotion to maybe one day work for. Now, by any chance, because I I saw that you're a new Japan fan. So like I'm curious.

SPEAKER_00 16:47

Yeah, if you had a promotion you could work with, what promotion would that be? Um, I mean the right answer is any promotion. But um I would I would love, you know, to go to Japan. I love to work for, you know, AEW Ring of Honor. I'm I was a Ring of Honor boy, you know. I was watching Ring of Honor when I was a little kid a lot. So I would love Ring of Honor, New Japan. But yeah, any place that that picked me up, I'm I'm ready.

SPEAKER_04 17:12

If you was watching, if you was watching uh Ring of Honor, especially at the time that you're talking about, oh yeah, you was exposed to some good wrestling.

SPEAKER_00 17:20

Oh, I was watching Kevin Steen, El Generico. I was peak Ring of Honor.

SPEAKER_04 17:26

Oh, oh, okay. Yeah, you were definitely watching some good wrestling then.

SPEAKER_05 17:30

Yeah, Adam Cole, the Bucks, you know, all those. And yeah, that that definitely is a good time. I mean, even oh, I think that might have been around Jay Lethal when Jay Lethal wasn't champion at the time, was he?

SPEAKER_00 17:41

Um, I think that was a little bit, that was like when Cory came in and then he beat Jay Lethal. That's like 2017, 18. Yeah, but I was still I was still watching him. But I was like maybe 16 years, something like that.

SPEAKER_01 17:52

A little bit older.

SPEAKER_00 17:53

Okay, okay.

SPEAKER_01 17:54

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 17:55

Now, you did say earlier uh that Shawn Michaels and Ric Flair was the inspiration for that, man. Like the inspiration that got you into wrestling. Was there anybody who was inspiring you as you were growing up to say, I want to be up like him or wrestle like them, have the wrestling mind like them?

SPEAKER_00 18:13

Well, I like different types of wrestlers. Like I like The Undertaker, but I also like Daniel Bryan. You know, and I like Kevin Steen, but I also like Rey Mysterio. You know, so I like all different types of wrestling. Um, but some of the people that I grew up um like looking up to were definitely like Brian Danielson, Rey Mysterio, just because of, you know, the size difference. So we gotta, you know, overcompensate for what we don't have. And those people, you know, they did it. So, yeah, like Brian Danielson, Rey Mysterio, Shawn Michaels, um, those are some of the people that I've looked up to growing up. Short kings. Absolutely.

SPEAKER_05 18:54

Short kings. Yes, yes. Short kings. Why? I mean, that's that that's what that's what they were known as. Not too much. But still, I I don't think Daniel Bryan is is he that short? I don't think he's that short. He's not super short, but he's it he's smaller than what Vince would like to see in his Giants.

SPEAKER_00 19:13

Yeah, for wrestling, for wrestling, he's a he's a normal size. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 19:17

Fair enough. Under 5'11, or I guess, is the under 5'11, you're a short king.

SPEAKER_05 19:26

That's yeah. Yeah, I'm technically a short king in wrestling because I'm 5'11 too. So unfortunate. You know, like and it people like I admire was Taz when I was growing up. I wanted to be like Taz. Taz was just uh a character who has so much swagger. He he outside of his just wrestling ability, I just loved his promo work. And granted, I was also a new jack guy. If you don't notice, I'm an ECW guy. But um, so knowing that you had people like Daniel Bryan or Daniel Bryanson, uh, Brian Danielson and Undertaker and those who were inspirations to you, um, I guess how did you develop your style as a wrestler?

Building A Style With Martial Arts

SPEAKER_05 20:08

Because, you know, is everybody getting a ring? You kind of have your little bumps and moments of trying to find yourself, but how did you find your style? What would you technically call your style?

SPEAKER_00 20:19

Uh I don't even know what I would call my style. I mean, I knew I couldn't do flips like Javon. And I I was watching a lot, like outland said I was with LeBron. Um, he was more like a, I guess he was like, I don't know, like strong style, powerhouse type. But I just I wanted to be a little bit different because I feel like everybody, you know, my age and my height, they're doing flips, all this stuff. So I just wanted to stand out a little bit different. I have a background in in jujitsu and muay thai. I did that for like 10 years. So, you know, I I feel I can bring the the intensity to the ring that. You know, people like watching USD boxing, I feel I can bring the intensity from that into pro wrestling. Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 21:05

That is definitely true from watching you. That is definitely true. I I also practice a little bit of Muay Thai, but I'm I'm also known for my sumo wrestling. So um to kind of see different people's styles in the ring is interesting. And now that you kind of created your style and who you are, where does the AK 47 come from? I'm always curious about people's connection to their name and the accolade behind them.

SPEAKER_00 21:31

Yeah. So the AK-47 is like when I come through that current, it's like I'm loud and like you know I'm there. So that's kind of why I get the AK 47. Like I'm loud, I'm aggressive. Like, you know, make sure. Like I'm gonna make sure that that you feel me, you know? I feel like that's that's where AK 47 came from. Like just that aggression and and being loud and and being known. You know?

SPEAKER_04 21:56

You know that that checks. And I I would say like your leading up to become champion to the point of where like you are now champion, I think has been the most encompassing of that, like of of that character that you're saying. Cause I think the first time I met you um was would be about a year ago, whenever they had the uh that one show that was at the Camping World Stadium that was outside that almost got completely rained out because of that thunderstorm. Yeah and everything. That was that was my first impression of you. And it's like seeing you from just that point, which I think that was like what June, July-ish last year? So like June, July-ish, all the way uh June, July-ish, going all the way up until now. Like, I think the AK has if it wasn't there before and I couldn't see it, I definitely see that AK personality now.

SPEAKER_01 23:03

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 23:04

And so, which I mean, and now as now that you're rocking the championship, like I have to say, like, these your matches have been like banger after banger after banger so far.

SPEAKER_00 23:15

Appreciate it, appreciate it. Yeah, the more I'm in the ring, the more comfortable I get. So, you know, I'm only gonna get up from here.

SPEAKER_04 23:24

Like, it's funny, because I'm like, I don't know how you'll ever be a baby face again.

SPEAKER_00 23:28

Like, it's no you you're oh no.

Being A Heel And Forming The Faction

SPEAKER_04 23:34

So I out of curiosity, like, which one do you prefer? Do you do you prefer heel over babyface?

SPEAKER_00 23:40

Yeah, I prefer heel. Um, it comes more natural. Uh, I guess being from New York, being Puerto Rican, I can just I'm loud. You know, I'm always loud. So it's it's definitely much more easier to do that.

SPEAKER_05 23:54

I will agree at the same time, you know, from our upbringings, a lot of that can be natural, you know. Whether if you're from the hood, whether if you're from somewhere like New York, it's kind of natural because we have to be tough. We have to be brass with how we present ourselves. And plus, just being heel is just more fun. I'm just sorry. You get more, you get more of a kick out of getting booze and trying to create that heat. And I feel like is the natural nature of being a face is a tough job because you're trying to make people love you and get behind you. And it's easy to be like, man, man, fuck all y'all. And you just get booze. Like it's it's that, but it's how you're getting the booze, it's how you're getting the heat. So um when you are naturally trying to get that heel heat, what is what is your thought process? Are you trying to be just as loud as brash as being an AK? Or are you trying to are you trying to not get that X Pac heat? Let's not get that. Yeah, what is your thought process as a heel naturally?

SPEAKER_00 24:54

Yeah, I mean, like I said, just just being loud, nobody likes a loud person, you know, especially you know, some of my my eye and my size, um, it it pisses people off because I'm so loud, but there's nothing they can do about it. You know, like they can't step into the ring, they can't jump the barricade, so all it can do is boom me. So that's that's where it comes from, just being aggressive and loud, and people are intimidated by that. And and you know, that's where I come in.

SPEAKER_05 25:24

I say a perfect example of that. It definitely reminds me of the Dudley boys, ECW. Now, granted, not as provocative and just being as but still like that to me is a great representation of real heat back in the day, man. Those people would be willing to jump over bear case to knock them out. But what you're doing, I could see that in resemblance as well.

SPEAKER_04 25:49

Yeah, it's that it's that teetering on it's that teetering on like super heel heat and almost go away heat, but not quite.

SPEAKER_01 25:59

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 26:01

Well, they they want me to go away because I keep being their favorites, but I can't go away.

SPEAKER_03 26:07

Apparently, you have been on a roll right now.

SPEAKER_05 26:10

Yeah. And since you know, you got with the establishment now and you have your faction currently, which is Latin's in full effect. Yeah. Tell me, how how did that uh how did you how did you come up with that?

SPEAKER_00 26:27

So they were they were doing their thing. Um, they were whooping all his boys, all Swag's boys, for a minute. They were moving that tail. Um, and you know, they're they're they're the best tag team in the establishment. So obviously, you know, the best wrestler in the establishment, me and me, the chat, had to team up with, you know, the best tag team in the establishment. And we got the same upbringing. Um, you know, we're Puerto Rican from New York. Um, so I feel like we we've been through the same, even though as at different times, we've been through the same life, you know? So that's where we had to come together, and now we're doing our thing.

SPEAKER_04 27:04

Running Rup shot is what it is. Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 27:07

You know, that's that's we'll say the name itself, because I I'm a big fan of LAX, and I mean me, me and Swag used to watch them in TNA. But once I found out I was like, the the acronym was laugh, I said, ooh, that's cold, that's cold. Because at the end of the day, you could say, hey, uh, you may have tried a lot of things, but you can't be life, or something like that. Just like something in that nature. I was like, man, there's so many things you could do, and you could just flip that. And I was like, that's a great name. And honestly, for any faction, the name is a make or break in it. We mean we look at the vision, and that is just uh one thing that we could say uh is not as great currently, but um, outside of just what you're doing currently and the product, uh, what do you think of just current wrestling? I know we here at the Big Brothers of Destruction, we enjoy the story, but with what's going on currently in wrestling, what are you seeing? What are you noticing, and uh how do you feel about what's currently going on in wrestling?

SPEAKER_00 28:07

Uh I I like it because um it's very different than when I was a kid. When I was a kid, it was more um like characters and gimmicks and all that. And obviously, me in wrestling, like I say, I'm I'm the realest wrestler in in pro wrestling. So I love just the the realism in wrestling. So it's not a lot of like gimmicks and a lot of characters. So I really like it now. There's like everybody being themselves. Because not everyone has to be good or bad, you know? Like you're just living life, and and if you don't like a person, you fight, and if you like them, you team up. And that's what I like. That's that's like the more realism in wrestling.

SPEAKER_05 28:48

Well, I mean, the fact that he can flip the life thing in just so many different aspects, it's just that's just dope. I like that.

SPEAKER_04 28:57

I mean, that's fair, that's fair, that's fair. Who who is uh so right now, uh out of the different promotions that are going on right now, with the the the mainstream promotions, I would say, which one are you watching the most at the moment?

SPEAKER_00 29:10

I'm watching a lot of DVD just because like I said, my friend like Javon's in it. I try to catch AW Life's busy. So I try to catch, you know, I try not to catch like shows, I try to catch matches. Because not everything's gonna be great, and I don't got a lot of time. Um, so I try to catch more matches than than shows.

SPEAKER_04 29:33

Fair enough. Especially, well, I mean, especially with like AEW, like AEW, they be they be pumping out seven, eight matches a night. So it's like sometimes you gotta have to cut to that. Who's the wrestler right now you're currently like really behind right now?

SPEAKER_00 29:51

I feel it's always gonna be Kenny Omega until he retires. That's that's my guy. Kenny Omega is one of my guys. I like Okada. Uh Cody is my guy. Roman Reigns is my guy too. So Yeah, those are those are the people that I'm always watching.

SPEAKER_05 30:14

Gotcha, gotcha. Cause uh you you mentioned Kenny Omega, and man, uh we we kind of talking about this earlier before the interview, and how Kenny Omega's run in 2015 or 2016 was just crazy. So uh was that kind of when you got introduced to him originally?

SPEAKER_00 30:31

Yeah, that's when I got introduced into like New Japan because I was watching a lot of Ring of Honor um and then a lot of W, sometimes TNA. But um, that's when I got introduced to New Japan. And now I had to wake up at 2, 3 o'clock in the morning just to watch Candy. So and I I I was never disappointed, so I was like, this is my guy right here.

SPEAKER_05 30:53

We kind of lost you there for a second. Hold on. You were saying about Kenny and getting having to wake up at 2 o'clock in the morning to watch it.

SPEAKER_00 31:00

Yeah, yeah, yeah. And you know, like he was always putting out bangers and stuff, so I was like, I was never mad that I had to wake up at 2 3 in the morning because I knew I was gonna watch some good wrestling. So, yeah, that's that's been my guy for a minute.

SPEAKER_05 31:15

And I've been trying to show that to Swag too. And it unfortunately, he did not get the chance to see this era. He is currently watching the current product, and and one of the things that we've noticed in certain promotions, they're not a lot of stars uh that are out here right now. So it definitely I would encapsulate if he could have watched that era. We both can agree. That was peak New Japan.

SPEAKER_00 31:36

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 31:38

What do you just hard to say what what you would call New Japan right now? Like New Japan's going, like it's almost as if they're going through, like, I would say, like, their their new generation era, where it's like they're just getting all these new guys, throwing them at the fans, seeing who sticks.

SPEAKER_00 31:56

Yeah, like it's like I feel like it's like a rebuilding process. Like they got rid of all the old stars, like Tanahashi, Omega, Osprey, all of them, and now they just gotta build new stars. So I feel like it's like a rebranding, I guess, or like a rebuilding.

SPEAKER_05 32:13

Absolutely. I do I do agree on that. It definitely is a rebranding because I am a very much a Yoto kind of guy. And uh to me, he he's the the biggest star over there currently. But yeah, um, say for you now, you know, we talked about dream promotions or things of that nature.

Dream Matches And Ideal Undertaker Era

SPEAKER_05 32:33

If you had an opportunity to have a dream match, whether the person's alive or it no matter the promotion, what would be the match and what would be the stipulation of the match?

SPEAKER_00 32:45

Uh, I just like a regular singles match. Um, like top three, I say Eddie Guerrero, Undertaker, and Kenny Omega.

SPEAKER_05 33:00

I could definitely see how those matches would go in each way. You know, with Eddie Guerrero, especially, and then the Undertaker, I could see the David and Goliath uh story type, and then Kenny Omega, you get hit hard.

SPEAKER_04 33:14

When it comes to the Undertaker, um, what which era Undertaker are we looking at? Are we looking at uh old Dead Man or American Badass?

SPEAKER_00 33:24

No, Dead Man, Dead Man. Yeah, from like uh 2008 type, yeah. Like when he was wrestling Sean. Oh, someone like Randy Orton. Yeah, yeah, yeah. The Sean matches.

SPEAKER_05 33:35

Okay, okay. I think that is still somewhat the same era when he went against Randy Orton, I believe, when he came out of the street. Yeah, it was like the same, same thing, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 33:45

It's the same, it's the same, it's his same iteration of the dead man, at least. Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 33:50

Yes. We are very much a Ministry of Darkness, uh, Undertaker. And um, but but that's again because we came up with the attitude error and things of that nature. But um I know Swag has a particular question when it comes to people who after we find out their dream matches or idea ideal match situations, he likes to flip it a little bit with a question that uh takes wrestlers like yourself in a situation where you have to think, hmm, what would I do here? And swag, let me go ahead and let you throw that out.

SPEAKER_04 34:22

Okay,

Scrapping The Gimmick For A New One

SPEAKER_04 34:23

okay. So here's the scenario uh you get scouted out. Some some new hotshot billionaire who's about to start their new wrestling promotion. Gonna go straight to TV when they get it going, all right? They find you and they're like, yo, I like your face, I like your style, and I like how you do things in the ring. I want to make you my main guy on the promotion.

SPEAKER_03 34:45

However, you gotta scrap your current gimmick and your current act.

SPEAKER_00 34:51

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 34:53

Because of that, how what when how are you going into this new promotion? What what's gonna be the new act? If you had to scrap the AK, if you had to throw the AK in the back, what are we doing now?

SPEAKER_00 35:15

Let's see, I'll st um Dang you you put me in a position now. That's the point. Yeah, yeah. So I would want to try something different. I was I was talking to my friends, they they're like, oh, why don't you put like a lucha mask? You know, they don't really watch wrestling so they know like small people that wear lucha masks. So I I would I would like to be like a like a luchador, maybe like something completely different than what I am now. I don't know about baby face, but I'll definitely like to be, you know, a luchador. Yeah. Just wear like a whole thing, like that has a mask, like a whole like do like the full suit type situation, yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_05 35:55

Like old Rey Mysterio in WCW.

SPEAKER_00 35:58

Yeah, like that one. Yeah. Okay, okay. Yeah. That's I feel like that would be like that. Yeah. But obviously, like a little darker type than Rey Mysterio.

SPEAKER_05 36:11

So, question, I don't know if you ever got the chance to see Lucha Underground when it was when it was popping. Okay, so it kind of reminds me of characters like that, because that's how I got introduced to Settle, Meadow himself. Uh and I just loved Pentagon Dark and Pentagon Jr. in general. And to me, as a luchador, he he just has something and to me nobody else had. But are you kind of similar vibe is what you're saying? Like that dark essence. Because you do have martial arts background, so it's kind of you know, yeah, like that.

SPEAKER_00 36:42

Because I feel like a lot of luchadors, like they're they're doing slips and they're doing all that, but you also gotta think longevity. So I'm you know, I'm trying to wrestle for a for a long time. I'm young, so I definitely like Penta's style where like he can still do some high flying, but he can hit you if he really gotta hit you too.

SPEAKER_05 37:00

Yeah, absolutely. I I will agree. Uh, seeing him versus Vampiro is always always gonna be one of my favorite matches of all time because it didn't need a lot of flips, it didn't lead a lot of things because obviously Vampiro couldn't do those things at that point in time, but it was the storytelling, and that's something we hear uh in the podcast, we enjoy storytelling. That's one of the elements that we thrive off of. What puts asses in seats? What makes us care about the match? And we know some people have different perspectives of what they want to do in a match. So, to you, whether if it's the promo, the entrance, or the match itself, what is the most important element of uh, I guess, wrestling to you?

SPEAKER_00 37:43

Um, for me, like I was always taught there's no right way to do professional wrestling. So it can be wrestling, it could be the entrance, it could be the gear, anything like that. Um, but for me personally, yeah, I feel like it's the promos. Like I grew up on Samo Joe, The Miz, you know, now I'm watching MJF a lot. So I definitely feel like it's promo. That's how you're gonna get them first to get to their steep, is by the promo. Because if people don't watch wrestling, everybody knows how to talk, everybody know how to listen. So it's definitely, you know, promos. And that's that's that's my thing is promos.

SPEAKER_04 38:18

Man, I hope the wrestling industry hears this, because there's a part there's a piece of me that feels that like especially in places that there's I'm not even I'm not even gonna go into the specific places, yeah, because then I'll get on a tangent, but it's like I feel like the art of the promo is getting lost a little bit. Like being able to talk is to get your piece in, whether if it's just in the ring or if it's like the backstage, you know, well, let me tell you something, mean jean situations, like it's being able to get your point across is so important. And not everyone can do it, and the ones who can't do it, you you can see it and you could tell, and they suffer for it. Now, with that what you just said in mind, if you were in a situation where you know this is you're you're new at this new uh you're you're this is like your first debut at this particular, you know, uh uh rest venue, new crowd, all this other stuff.

SPEAKER_00 39:32

Your debut.

SPEAKER_04 39:33

Yeah, your debut, right? Out of those things that we just gave to you, if one had to just completely get botched and fucked up.

SPEAKER_03 39:45

Fucked up, which one would you rather it be?

SPEAKER_00 39:51

Between a promo or the match?

SPEAKER_05 39:54

In between promo, match, and entrance.

SPEAKER_04 39:56

Yeah, pretty much your promo between promo, match, your entrance slash like the your like your presentation type thing.

SPEAKER_00 40:05

Oh man. It's tough because like debuting for a debuting for a new promotion is like once you come out through that curtain, you gotta establish yourself. You know, that's like every time I come out to that curtain, I'm loud. Like, you're gonna if you don't know me, you're gonna know who I am. So I feel like in the match, as long as you get the fit, like the finish is good, you can mess up the match.

SPEAKER_05 40:29

Um but what if the finish was botched? That's that's the thing, because the fit when you talk about like F up, normally the the botch that F's up a match is the finish.

SPEAKER_00 40:39

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 40:40

That's that's tough.

SPEAKER_00 40:42

That's tough. Especially like especially with indie crowds, because they're really vocal. Like you mess up a promo, they're gonna talk. And you come up to that curtain and you slip, they're gonna talk. I feel like the only thing they can't talk about is actual wrestling because they have like most of them haven't wrestled. So if you have a bad match, it's like we'll just have a good match next time. But that promo, you can't you can't overcome that bad promo. Nah. Let's talk.

SPEAKER_04 41:12

Yeah, you be mid promo, and you're like, yeah, and and when I and when and when oh yeah, like that's your gimmick now. You just gotta stutter.

SPEAKER_00 41:21

He said, now that's your gimmick. Yeah, like you, you a luchador, you a luchador that stutters now. That's your gimmick.

SPEAKER_05 41:29

Bruh, that's that bubba. Yeah. Oh my goodness, man.

SPEAKER_04 41:34

Yeah. He said, congratulations. Now you're a luchador that stutters. That's part of the act now.

SPEAKER_05 41:39

Yo, that would be terrible to have to go through. I'm not gonna lie. I'm not even I'm not even gonna front with you. Um well, I definitely want to say I appreciate getting your perspective on as a wrestler. Like, what would you do, what you care about the most. But man, if you thought that question was tough, well, guess

Book Bump Or Bury Across Eras

SPEAKER_05 41:57

what? Welcome to the game that is known as book, bump, or bury. I asked you questions before this interview that gave us a perspective on your favorite eras of wrestling and what you are now going to do with the similar concept of Mary Date Kill. You are now going to book, bump, or bury talent, depending on the era. And we're gonna give you wrestlers, and you're gonna have to choose between who you would book as a champion, bump to the mid-card, or just keep him as a main presence, or bury them and make him a job. So you gave me two errors, which were attitude era, and I believe it was also ruthless aggression and New Japan's golden era, which was 2015.

SPEAKER_01 42:42

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 42:43

My boy. I'm gonna hit you with some and I'm gonna see what you say. So attitude errors, the first one we will go through, and I'm gonna give you three wrestlers, and you tell me which one. So we have Stone Cold, Steve Austin, The Rock, and The Undertaker. Who would you book, bump or bury?

SPEAKER_00 43:10

Nah, I'm gonna get in trouble.

SPEAKER_04 43:14

You know, the last person that we had said the same thing. I'm gonna get in trouble.

SPEAKER_00 43:21

Yeah, that's crazy. Oh man.

SPEAKER_05 43:24

Because it's not even about who you would book or bump, it's about who you are going to bury.

SPEAKER_00 43:30

Yeah. Um dang.

SPEAKER_01 43:37

Book, bump, bury. Um dang.

SPEAKER_00 43:45

I feel like I would book Undertaker. That's my guy. And it could be it can go like it can go one way or the other way between the rock and stone pole. Uh for me. But I'm I like Stone Pole. Stone Cold. I like Stone Cold a little bit more than The Rock. So I think bump Stone Cole and bury The Rock.

SPEAKER_02 44:08

Bury The Rock.

SPEAKER_05 44:10

The last person said the same thing about The Rock. They flipped with Stone Cold and Undertaker, but they said The Rock they would bury. And that's interesting. So as a booker, because this is a game about being a general manager, because Swag, he loves the general manager mode on uh any wrestling game. So as a booker, what is your reasoning about why you would book Bumper Barry? And you don't have to give us like, we're not here to shame anybody, we're not here to talk down about anybody, but if you are a booker, because every booker has to do this, why would you make that set decision?

SPEAKER_04 44:43

I mean, feel free to shame and you know talk down if you're really into that. Like I've guessed.

SPEAKER_00 44:49

Rule of mine and talking down on LeBron. No. Um current rock. Yeah, it's just for me, The Rock left like right at his peak. Like he was he was on a roll, you know, and then we went to Hollywood. Which, like, know this. I've seen more of like Stone Cole's work and Undertaker's work. Um, and Undertaker's obviously more of like a well-rounded character that he can do like anything. He can be baby, he can be healed. And Stone Cole, you know, them promos. I like them promos. The Rock also got promos, but I feel like he left like right during his peak. So, you know, Stone Cole go read that.

SPEAKER_05 45:30

I will agree with that. The peak essence of him leaving. And, you know, for us, everybody puts them on their Mount Rushmore in some way, shape, or more, shape, or form. But I never got the chance to ask you this as before we continue on. Uh, what is currently your Mount Rushmore? Like, or have you ever had Yeah?

SPEAKER_00 45:47

Um, every day, I feel like every day it changes. Um but right now, my Mount Rushmore would be Undertaker, Kenny Omega, Juicy Thunder Lighter.

SPEAKER_01 46:04

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 46:05

And ooh I don't know, cause you know, I was literally like I was watching WWE a lot when like uh when John Cena was doing his thing. So I feel like it could be John Cena, it can be let's see. Jeff Hardy was my guy. Eddie Guerrero was one of my guys. So see, the last one is always tough for everybody. Yeah, the last one is tough. It's like, is John Cena freaking Brand Mysterio, Stall Michael? Like, that can be the fourth one, but probably John Cena for now.

SPEAKER_04 46:43

Okay, John Cena for now? All right, all right, all right. John Cena today. Tomorrow is probably somebody else.

SPEAKER_05 46:50

Yeah, probably, probably. And now it's gonna be different tomorrow. I always felt like that's a tough question for everybody. So as we continue on, I'm gonna give you uh three uh two more from the attitude era. We're gonna go to the next one. So uh now from attitude era, we have Triple H, Mick Foley, and Kane.

SPEAKER_00 47:09

Who would you book, bump, or bury? Triple H, like what era?

SPEAKER_05 47:14

Like what attitude, so like going into 2000-ish, like early 1999, 2000. My time, triple H?

SPEAKER_00 47:23

Yeah, my time, triple H. Yeah, attitude era. Yeah. That would be my my number one guy, Triple H. And then Okay, so book book triple H, Bunk McFawley, and who was the other guy? Kane. Yeah, yeah. No this, no this.

SPEAKER_01 47:47

But we're talking about like Harry's. You just heard swag.

SPEAKER_04 47:51

Yeah, that was that was mask came. I think on the verge of when he put the because actually, I was saying like I think suspend Singlets came, that's more uh that's no that's run, that's 2000.

SPEAKER_05 48:04

That's 99000. So that's still in that okay, yeah. Yeah, yeah. That was burn uh burn it down came where he had the just the instant, you know, the thing. Yeah, straight in. And it would be it would be Mick Foley or being like Mankind? Because that's different. Well, technically it's Mankind, but but you know, as all the different adaptations, you know, whether if it's Cactus Jack or Doolove, just in general McFoley. I feel like that's a uh a good way to just pin them all together. But but why Barry Kane?

SPEAKER_00 48:35

I mean, Triple H, obviously, he we're gonna book him. Because he's absolutely he got at that time, he got the look, he got the promos. Um it's not even a disone cane. It's just I I love like Mick Foley, he's from where I'm from, he's from Long Island. So I got love for him.

SPEAKER_01 48:55

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 48:55

And then, you know, he got the promos, he can do different characters. So it's like if you need something different on Tuesday, you can get something different. If you need something different on Wednesday, you got something different. So it's like he can be different in the mid card. Um, and yeah, no, no this on Kane. I love Kane. That is soundbooking.

SPEAKER_04 49:16

I mean, with with the explanation you gave, because I I I'm a major Kane fan. So with the explanation that you gave, I'm like, you know what, I that's fair. That makes sense.

SPEAKER_01 49:27

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 49:29

Soundbooking. Soundbooking. Um, and then now we have Kurt Angle, Chris Jericho, and the big show.

SPEAKER_00 49:42

Uh you said Kurt Angle, Chris Jericho, and the big show. Yeah, book Kurt Angle, bump Chris Jericho, and then very big show.

SPEAKER_01 49:58

See, you don't like big guys. I'm not big.

SPEAKER_02 50:02

He's he's I'm not big. He's saying no land of the giants. Yeah. We gotta give everybody a chance. I can respect it. I can respect it. I mean, he did give Undertaker his spot.

SPEAKER_05 50:16

So I mean's my guy. Hold on, hold on, hold on. Swipe, but there's a difference, man. Remember, we talked about this. There's a difference between a big man, a monster. So come on now.

SPEAKER_04 50:27

I mean, this is also true.

SPEAKER_05 50:29

Yeah. Um, but okay, so good job on the uh attitude era version as we jump right into the ruthless aggression era. And right out the gate, I'm probably about to hurt your soul again. We got John Cena, Batista, and Randy Orton.

SPEAKER_00 50:51

Um Book John Cena, Bunk Randy Orton, and Barry Bautista.

SPEAKER_01 50:59

Damn. He yeah, he really don't like me guys.

SPEAKER_04 51:05

However, I mean, in his defense, that's all you can really do with that system, you know.

SPEAKER_05 51:16

I mean, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 51:17

I know I'm not putting Randy Orton over Batista. I'm sorry, I'm sorry. I'm not putting Batista over Randy Orton, is what I meant to say.

SPEAKER_01 51:26

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 51:27

Like Batista's great.

SPEAKER_00 51:30

But Randy Orton's great. Randy and John Cena's John Cena. Like, you can't you can't touch those guys.

SPEAKER_05 51:36

And they came up at the same uh same time, so that's interesting to say the least. Now, the next one might be a bit tougher for you. So, we got Rey Mysterio, Edie Guerrero, and Jeff Hardy.

SPEAKER_00 51:51

Dude, what? I gotta get off this podcast now, man. You can't do that.

SPEAKER_01 51:57

They're all for the ruthless aggression, Earl. What are you talking about?

SPEAKER_00 52:00

He says you can't do that. Like Jeff Hardy talking about like face paint. Or you talk about the phone.

SPEAKER_05 52:07

Well, this would this would be ruthless aggression. So I think you're talking about face paint. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 52:12

Yeah. Face paint WWE champion Jeff Hardy.

SPEAKER_01 52:15

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 52:16

Damn. Nah, bro. But Eddie Guerrero. Absolutely. Bump Jeff Hardy and Barry Ray Mysterio.

SPEAKER_05 52:30

Damn. I know that had to hurt. I know that had to hurt.

SPEAKER_00 52:33

I know that had to hurt. You can't do that to me, man. I'm not even gonna let you explain it. I'm not even gonna let you explain it. Yeah, don't I can't explain that one. It just hurts. That's all I know.

SPEAKER_04 52:43

I'm gonna put this on the table. I'm gonna cry about it later. We're not talking about it no more.

SPEAKER_05 52:47

Yeah, I just don't ask about everybody gets one, as Spider-Man says. Everybody gets one. All right, so last one for Ruthless Regressions. We got Edge, we got Rob Van Dam, and we got Booker T.

SPEAKER_01 53:10

Booker Edge, Booker T, and then Barry.

SPEAKER_00 53:14

Who was the who was the last guy? Um the last guy was Rob Van Dam. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Interesting.

SPEAKER_05 53:21

As a big R VD fan, I I feel like unfortunately, of out of all those talents, he is the best wrestler out of those talents. But Edge is he has more depth as a heel than this a storyteller. Rob Van Dam is kind of a one-trick pony, but he's a one-trick pony who's just really fucking cool. So you can't really say no to that.

SPEAKER_00 53:42

Um Booker, I can see why you say bump Booker. I can see that. But Booker Booker's good. Like he's gonna he's gonna elevate the mid-card, you know? Absolutely. There's not even no diss on him, yeah.

SPEAKER_05 53:57

No, no, no diss at him at all. I mean, we we had uh Razion on here talk about that was his inspiration, that was his person that got him into the business seeing black represent representation in the ring. So he was like, Yeah, that's it. So now we're going into the golden era or the modern era of New Japan. And this one, I'm hoping this one's gonna be tough for you, so we're gonna see.

SPEAKER_03 54:20

Yeah, so we have Okada, Tanahashi, and Shinsuke Nakamura.

SPEAKER_01 54:34

Dude, what the heck? But Nakamura.

SPEAKER_00 54:42

Bump. This is like Pico Kata, right? Yeah, this is Pico Kata. This is this is Kenny Omeda Okada. Yeah, bump okada, and then bury Tanashi.

SPEAKER_02 54:54

You burying the ace?

SPEAKER_00 54:56

Oh I'm sorry though. You can't ask me about that one either. He said you can't ask me. You can't you just gotta move on.

SPEAKER_04 55:05

If it makes you feel better, I'm I'm booking the same way as you. Like on that one. Like at yeah, like at not nothing against the ace, but like when you got Nakamura as an option, yeah. And especially this Nakamura. Yeah, and and you have this Okada, like there's not a whole lot of room.

SPEAKER_00 55:29

It's not a whole lot of room to work with.

SPEAKER_05 55:33

Not very many.

SPEAKER_00 55:35

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 55:36

Okay. Uh, how about this one then? We got Kenny Omega, AJ Styles, and my boy, Nido.

SPEAKER_01 55:45

Yo, that's tough.

SPEAKER_00 55:47

Book Kenny Omega, of course. But it's like, what type of Kenny Omega is this? There's like leader of the book.

SPEAKER_05 55:57

The best bout machine.

unknown 55:59

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 56:00

We're talking about that same era where he went against Okada in those the matches of the century. You know what I'm saying?

SPEAKER_00 56:06

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Book Kenny Omega, Bump, who the other two? You said Nyto?

SPEAKER_05 56:12

Naito and AJ Styles.

SPEAKER_00 56:16

Yeah, AJ Styles and then bury Nito. Nito's my guy. No way. No way.

SPEAKER_04 56:26

There's no way. You saw how he immediately said uh and and uh and buried Nyto. Naito is my guy, though. Like, you saw how quickly he threw that in there to make sure that it was known. Like, even if we wanted to make it incriminating, we can't even cut it.

SPEAKER_00 56:42

He said it that closely too fast with it.

SPEAKER_04 56:46

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 56:47

No, bro, that's crazy. That's crazy. All right, last one, last one.

SPEAKER_01 56:54

We got Shibata, we got Ishii, and we have Godo. This one's a little bit easier. Damn. Book, Shibata, Bok, Ishii, and Barry Godo.

SPEAKER_05 57:13

Literally in the order. That's, you know. I think at that time he wasn't heavyweight champion Godo. He wasn't heavyweight champion material at that time. And Ishii, I mean, the st the bulldog, the bulldog is gonna be always bulldog. You can't you really can't say no to him. You can you can change those two.

SPEAKER_00 57:29

But I feel like I like Ishii because he reminds me of like Taz. I like Taz up. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 57:36

Um he kind of does look like he might be a Japanese Taz. Like, look.

SPEAKER_00 57:42

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 57:43

That's crazy. I never saw that. Yeah, that's why Ishii.

SPEAKER_00 57:46

Yeah. So Ishii is definitely, he's one of the goats out there, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 57:51

That's definitely. Yeah, you saying that, like, you know, it's funny because like I know when I first started watching New Japan, um, I saw when I first saw him, that was the first thing that came to my mind. I was like, yo, this this this freaking bulldog looking motherfucker out here, just like, okay, I like this guy, I like this guy.

unknown 58:11

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 58:12

Man's 50 still going.

SPEAKER_00 58:14

Yeah. Straight business. He just walk in, pop. Killing.

SPEAKER_05 58:18

Literally. Literally. So now that you've given us all those, thank you so much, except you are now being put into a special round. Where now you have to take that Mount Rushmore that you gave us earlier. And we're gonna add a stipulation to the match all of a sudden. We're gonna add another category out of the book, bumper bury. It is now book, bump, bury, and cut from the roster. So, out of the four you gave me, which were Undertaker, Kenny, uh Juchent Thunder, not Juch and Thunder Liger, and uh John Cena, who are you booking, bumping, burying, and cutting from the roster?

SPEAKER_04 59:05

Oh, gotta give us that BBBC, boy. I should have given my mom rush more.

SPEAKER_00 59:12

He said what I should have given you my mom. Um he said I shouldn't have given it to y'all. Yeah, that's that's Tom's secret now. I ain't never gonna do that. Um let's see. I got I got oh dog. Bump Undertaker. Okay, Bump, Eddie. No, it's Kenny, and then you have uh Liger and then Cena. Okay, okay, okay. Oh yeah. Bump uh Kenny, Barry, Cena, and then cut liger. Dang.

SPEAKER_04 59:49

That is tough. I can see why. Cut the Thunder Liger. I can see that hurt too. I I bet it did.

SPEAKER_05 59:57

Yeah, that's that is the whole point of the game, is just to put wrestlers in the perspective of yes, what general managers do. And unfortunately, there are going to be moments where you have to book bump or bury talent. And so when I say bury, but put talent as enhancement talent. And uh, but making it somewhat as a fun game, and we don't always expect people to say their reasons why. It's just putting you in a tough position to say, what would you do if you had to? You know, get them bears.

SPEAKER_00 1:00:24

If I was a promoter, if I was a promoter, I make four world titles and I use them one each. I ain't putting nobody.

SPEAKER_04 1:00:34

Yeah, I'm fucking everybody. He's like, I got who on the roster? Uh we got more, we got budgeting and titles to make a new title. You got that in the budget? All right. Uh give them a make it a small strap. We got them. We got him. Go out of pocket for those bills. He said, he said, I'll pull it from my own bank account.

SPEAKER_05 1:00:52

Yeah. It's just kind of what Tony Khan is doing, somewhat, with current talent and things of that nature. He is making sure these boys eat. You know what I'm saying? He's making sure everybody's eating with these cards and how big these cards are. So one thing I we can give to Tony is he's making sure his people are being utilized in some way, shape, or form. Everybody can't be top talent. Everybody can. But trying to give people a space in wrestling, I will give that much to Tony. He is doing it.

SPEAKER_01 1:01:20

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 1:01:21

Absolutely.

Advice Socials And The Closing Catchphrase

SPEAKER_05 1:01:22

Well, uh, AKS 47, man. I definitely want to say I appreciate you being here with us. And before we kind of wrap things up, is there anything you would like to let the audience know? Uh, granted, this will be uh posted later on, but uh anything you would like to let the audience know, especially for people who might be inspired in getting to wrestling, maybe some uh positive insight, but let the audience know. What's up?

SPEAKER_00 1:01:47

Yeah, um, I don't know. Just do your thing, do follow your heart. Um don't be afraid to take no front answer, and don't be afraid to speak up for yourself.

SPEAKER_05 1:02:02

Yeah, awesome, awesome. I appreciate that.

SPEAKER_04 1:02:06

So easy, simple, straight to the point. Make sure you drop them low, throw, drop, drop them social. Drop them socials, yeah. That's what I'm talking about.

SPEAKER_00 1:02:15

So I don't even know why so like that. Elias aka 47 Roman on uh Instagram, I think, Twitter, uh Instagram.

SPEAKER_05 1:02:24

No, it is uh your social is hold on.

SPEAKER_00 1:02:28

You got it.

SPEAKER_05 1:02:30

Yeah, it's uh yeah, it's your first name. So Elias underscore aka 47 official.

SPEAKER_00 1:02:35

Yeah. And then on X is real Elias underscore aka47 official. There you go. And then I'm on Facebook too at Elias AK47 home.

SPEAKER_05 1:02:48

Gotta get on the TikTok too, man. One day you gotta get on TikTok. Everybody's on TikTok. No, I'm on TikTok too. Elias aka471. Everything Elias aka 40 home. Bet, bet, bet. Well, we definitely want to say we appreciate having you here and again hearing your story, shooting the shit for a little bit, because that's what we want to do here as wrestling fans. We we enjoy talking about wrestling, we enjoy talking about hypotheticals and what-ifs in wrestling, but it all boils down to the story. And we here at the Big Brothers of Destruction podcast, we value story more than anything. So we appreciate you for being here and your time. And what I would love for us to do before we uh cut everything off is we're gonna say, you know, our end, our our end quote, and we're gonna pose so that way we can make a nice little photo for this. Oh, yeah. Before we wrap things up, here at the Big Brothers of Destruction podcast, we want to thank you guys so much for watching. If you liked, please hit a choke slam that like button, please tombstone uh the subscribe button because we are here every week with new episodes and we're talking about the latest things that's going on in wrestling. And obviously, we have people, local talent, we are also interviewing as well. So remember at the Big Brothers of Destruction podcast that the questions are real, the ring is sacred, and the destruction is guaranteed. So, from Stuboy the Monster.

SPEAKER_04 1:04:12

And it's your boy, Swag Switch in the building.

SPEAKER_00 1:04:16

And the chant, the anti-estagment chant Elias AK forty seven Roman.

SPEAKER_05 1:04:21

And until next time, we'll see you guys soon.