Living Proof its never too late to start Wrestling!

You can tell in the first few minutes when someone actually lives pro wrestling, and Rika Wildlee absolutely does. We sit down with the Barker of the Bazaar to trace the path from being a kid obsessed with classic ladder matches and the Attitude Era to finally stepping into wrestling training at 30 and making it work in the independent wrestling scene.

Rikabreaks down wrestling character development in a way that’s both creative and practical. He explains why his carnival barker gimmick is rooted in pro wrestling history, how “from your town” instantly hooks a crowd, and why a masked wrestler has to communicate pain and emotion through body language and voice. We also get into promo skills, why the promo is the real ticket-seller, and how listening to feedback without losing your identity can take your persona further than you planned.

Then it gets even more fun and surprisingly deep: Dungeons and Dragons as the origin of his name, DIY gear and custom jackets, bringing his own entrance lights so no promoter can sabotage the presentation, plus his finishers (Big Top and UFO Drive) and his strong stance on the lost art of selling. We close with Book, Bump, or Bury across ECW, the Attitude Era, and Ruthless Aggression, along with Rika's promoter mindset on keeping egos out of the locker room and pushing for positivity.

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Transcript

Welcome And Meet Ricca Wildly

SPEAKER_05 0:09

Welcome to another episode of the Big Brothers of Destruction podcast. To go, it's the Monster.

SPEAKER_03 0:15

And it's your boy, Swat Switch in the building.

SPEAKER_05 0:19

And today we have another guest with us to be able to share their story. And I'm gonna allow you the opportunity to introduce yourself to the audience.

SPEAKER_01 0:27

Hey, I'm the Barker of the Bazaar, Rico Wildly. And I guys, I appreciate you having me on your podcast today. I've been looking forward to it.

SPEAKER_05 0:37

Absolutely. I mean, swag is uh definitely show me a lot of your content, especially on TikTok and everything. And the fact that you actually came to us was a real honor because we're a growing platform, and for people to see us and say, hey, actually, let me let me work with you guys. So we definitely appreciate your time and you know the fact that you saw us out. So that that is truly an honor.

SPEAKER_03 0:58

Yeah, I can't stress that enough. You are the numero uno, the first. Because we was we were literally in the process of figuring out, all right, so how we how are we gonna navigate the whole interview space type thing? And that was when I saw you, you shot that message, and I was like, I I I literally was like, hey, yo, bro, listen, look, yo, yo, yo, yo. He wants to come through and and chill with us.

SPEAKER_00 1:23

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:23

I was like, oh, I know you gotta make sure we get you in like ASAP, because you know, you you being the first guy.

SPEAKER_01 1:31

It means a lot to me, and I I didn't realize I was the first. I it's an honor on my end as well. But I I know how it is getting started, promoting yourself, pushing your content, things like that, whether it be on whatever platform. And I'm doing that as well through my matches and everything else. It's all content, it all helps each other grow. So y'all are helping me through getting in front of your audience just as much as I'm helping y'all break into, you know, interviews. I I appreciate it.

SPEAKER_05 2:04

It's it's a it's a give or take in in the business, especially when it comes to wrestling. I know uh whether if it's promotion, whether if it's helping talent, it's it's all for the business. And we we can all say we truly enjoy, if not love, this business. And speaking of, you know, now that we got a chance to establish that that honor system, I would love to hear a little bit

From Ladder Matches To Lifelong Fandom

SPEAKER_05 2:28

of your story, man. Matter of fact, your origin story of like how did you start up in wrestling? How did you even get involved? What was your first sight of wrestling?

SPEAKER_01 2:38

Well, um, honestly, when I was young, I'd say seven and below, I I've got two older brothers, two younger brothers, and a sister. And I we was never really a wrestling family. It wasn't anything like that. But I I went to stay with my one of my cousins, extended cousins, and uh he had the Shawn Michaels, I don't think it was called Boyhood Dream at the time, but it was a VHS tape. And this was like '96 or seven, something like that. And um when I watched that, it was a Shawn Michaels Razor Ramon match with the ladder and and all of that. I was like, never in my wildest dreams did I think a ladder could be used for something of this, like this. So I was instantly hooked, man. And once I got to school and started talking to my other friends and all this kind of stuff, and everybody at the time was falling into the attitude era stuff. So wrestling was everywhere, and I just became engulfed in in loving everything about wrestling and trying to discover everything about wrestling. WCW, the whole cruiserweight division, you know, I'm not a huge guy. So seeing guys like that do what they were doing, I was like, oh, this is totally a thing that I could do maybe in the future, because you ain't gotta be Superman and you know, 350 pounds and all this kind of stuff. You you can be a smaller dude and make it happen. So it only pushed me further into trying. Um I got to be about 17, 18 years old. I ended up uh dropping out of school and having a kid, you know, and um had to put it on the back burner as far as trying to be a wrestler, you know, chasing that initial dream. Because I never lost it through high school, even being made fun of and to sat and the other, because most guys were were partying and chasing girls and to sat and the other, and I'm still wanting to let's go do something in the backyard, you know, let's let's go pretend, you know, and and they're they're like grow up, bro. It's it's it's time to sat and the other. Ended up had dropping out, having a kid. And as he grew up, I went to work, done that whole the whole daddy thing. And at 30 years old, me and my current wife was um out on the ledge in Cancun, Mexico, eating breakfast. And uh I was scrolling through Facebook and I seen Dusty Rhodes. This is 2020 at the time. Dusty Rhodes, Dustin Rhodes had just opened Rhodes Wrestling Academy in Texas. And I was like, and I live in Louisiana, so I asked her, we just got married, we're on our honeymoon, and I was like, what do you think about moving to Houston? You know, just maybe I can give just one last ditch effort. 30 years old, that's kind of it's kind of late to be decided to get slammed around, but I'd rather try and fail than to have never tried at all. You know, in life of that what if. You know, I I I can I can uh I can be humbled and humble by trying something and failing it and knowing I gave it my all and that's what it is. But if it would never tried, then I'd beat myself up the rest of my life if I didn't. But anyway, about 30 minutes after that, two of my buddies from home um one hit me up on Facebook and one gave me a call on Facebook and was like, dude, you know they just opened a wrestling school up like 20, 30 minutes from the house. And I'm the one of the biggest wrestling fans around my area, so I'm like, dude, if there was a wrestling school opened up around here, I I would be the first guy to know. You know, but I got to doing some research and they had literally, the day we left out of state out of the states, they had decided to make it official and posted their first post on Facebook uh for the wrestling school looking for their first students. And me and four other wrestlers went and were the first class at the UWE United Wrestling Entertainment Um Academy of Louisiana.

Training Late And Betting On Yourself

SPEAKER_01 6:32

Hey, okay, okay.

SPEAKER_05 6:35

That's crazy how that happened. Honestly. And to not give you a knock, you know, DDP, he started off at 35.

SPEAKER_01 6:45

And that is what drove me. I I even talked to DDP about that. I went to a WrestleCon here a while back, and he was taking pictures and things. And me and a couple of the other guys, we stood around and talked with him for about 25 minutes, and I told him that same thing. I said, dude, you're knowing that you were were older than I was and decided to get into it and made a crazy career, that's what pushed me to be like, man, I'm not too old.

SPEAKER_03 7:08

Listen, I say it all the time. Uh when it comes to certain things like that, and you know, when it comes to certain things like that, and I honestly feel especially with wrestling, age is nothing but a number. It's not about your because it's like you look at some of the wrestlers like right now, like people like Finn Balor, you know what I'm saying? Like, he's in his 40s, and you wouldn't be able to tell. No. No, definitely not. Not from the from the way he looks, from the way he moves. You know, it's like some of these other wrestlers, like, you know, like when you look at Edge and Christian, it's like they they they have a little bit of signs of like they're they're older because you know they let their gray show. Right. You know, they're they're they're wearing their gray with pride. But like, if they would have if they would have like if Edge right now cleaned up his face, colored his hair in, you wouldn't, you wouldn't know that that man's in his 50s. Oh no, definitely not.

SPEAKER_01 8:04

Definitely not. But that's the thing, man, is going into these locker rooms and knowing what I know now, I have a whole different mentality on, you know, like you said, age is just a number. Because going into it, I was like, even though I knew DDP started at 35, I was like, who decides at 30 years old to start getting slammed? You know, I mean, there you go. There you go. And see, we see we can't do some kind of wrestling.

SPEAKER_05 8:31

So yeah.

SPEAKER_01 8:32

That's dope. That's awesome. But it but what I'm saying is once I got into the school and I already had the gimmick done. Because I was doing, I don't know if you've ever heard of it, the e-fed stuff on Facebook where where it's like promo battles kind of deal.

SPEAKER_05 8:47

So funny enough, I did do something like that a while back, but I was playing fighting games. So I would promo battle with somebody else, and we were hyping up of uh first to ten between us. So I kind of got my promo game from that. I still got clips of that to this day.

SPEAKER_01 9:00

Well, and that's the thing, man. It was it's all there's a bunch of e-feds on Facebook, and basically you'll have a gimmick, I'll have a gimmick, you'll cut a promo on me, I'll do one on you, and they have judges that judge these matches, and they have actual titles they mail around to each other to represent whatever they're going for. But that's how I this whole gimmick got started. The whole Barker of the Bazaar thing, Rick of Wildly, this, that, and the other. Um, as it progressed, it went on for about two years before I decided to actually get into the ring, actually go to the school and train to wrestle wrestle. So by the time I got there, I already knew how to promo. And I had the gimmick. This is what I wanted to do. I knew people enjoyed it. They've been enjoying it for two years, just seeing it on screen, so I know they'll enjoy it if I do it in front of

Finding A Gimmick That Sticks

SPEAKER_01 9:45

them. So the the coach, when I say hated this gimmick, when I say gave me the ultimate crap for six months almost, just and I wore it every day to train him. I I mean, I don't know if he actually saw my face many times during the six months we were in school, because I wore it every day. But it got to a point to where I had to kind of spoon feed it into the company to be like, look, just because you doesn't you don't like it doesn't mean that other people won't. You know, what you like, they may not, and what they like, you may not, and vice versa, with me and everything else. It doesn't make us all wrong, it just makes us different. And that is what makes the world beautiful, is the fact that they like what they like, you like what you like, and I like what I like.

SPEAKER_05 10:33

You know? Don't yuck my yum is what we like to call it. Hey, I like I like that.

SPEAKER_01 10:40

But that's that's the whole thing, man, is you know, I love him to death. He's a great guy, Dapper Danny Davis. He's a mid-south and global legend. He's wrestled in Japan and all kinds of different places. But it's one of those things, you know, I understand his mentality. He was trained by Ivan Putsky, so he's got that very old school, you know, a lot of outlandish off-the-wall kind of characteristics he he's not really for. And I understand it, but that's not the times anymore. You know, that the things change, people evolve, the times evolve, wrestling evolves. You just gotta kind of roll with it, grow with it, manipulate the the culture and and the whole vibe of wrestling to fit your persona and whatever you're trying to portray to the audience.

SPEAKER_03 11:22

You know, it's it's interesting with like with what you say, because I'm firmly with that idea of the fact, like, you know, just because one person doesn't like it doesn't mean like everyone else won't. And then at the end of the day, it's also in the way that you present it. And so, you know, I know 0.80%. Like, one one thing that I would like, like I'd I point on is like, because like I said, it's all in the way that you present it. And you have to have the right people to know how to help present it. Because when you look at the Wyatt Six, you know what I'm saying? A completely amazing, dope idea through and through. The story, everything that they had with it, it was there, there was so much substance, there's so much that you could have done with it. But when you put it in the hands of someone who's like, I don't know what to do with these crazy peoples with the masks and the darkness and the scary.

SPEAKER_01 12:16

The only thing that I can say, man, about the Wyatt Six is they I loved the idea. I loved it all. I loved Uncle Howdy, all the characters, it all was perfect. But what they, if they wanted it over, it shouldn't have been 110% built around Bray Wyatt. I love Bray Wyatt. I love Bray Wyatt. I'm so glad that he came up with the idea. They built it around him, all that. But the entire time they've been around, it hasn't been about their character growth. It's been about keeping Bray's memory alive. And that is what has ultimately been their downfall, is because their characters haven't been getting the the push that they need because they've been just trying to keep the nostalgia of Bray going. And I love all I love all of them. The Fly family, everything about it, but you're right, they dropped the ball.

SPEAKER_05 13:10

You you bring up a very interesting point because yeah, that is literally what it was, especially with getting the earn uh getting the the the light back. You know, getting that back was also just a resemblance of Bray. So it was just like, yeah, they won titles, they did all this, and and to me, honestly, in the era of TKO, um, fortunately, characters like Uncle Howdy and them, you're not really gonna see much of that as heavyweight champions nowadays. They're gonna be essentially parts of the show, but like the talents they want to see are the people they can present to kids, they can sell most money. And then unfortunately, Wyatt Six to them is is not talents that could do that. And I it's unfortunate because again, I feel like going to a place like a GCW, a AEW, we had the the Dark Order, those were very over characters, and WWE just and this is definitely a a Federation era, a golden era of uh WWF technically, but that's where those characters really thrived. And you know, granted, we had some in the ruthless aggression, like the boogeyman and things of that nature, but man, well, uh, you bring up a very interesting point now that I that you brought that up about Bray.

SPEAKER_01 14:22

If if they wanted to right now, would be the not just a great time, but the ultimate time to bring back stable feuds, not just two-on-two, not just tag feuds. I'm talking stable feuds. You know, if they want to bring in something different, go ahead and uh establish a couple tag teams, but bring back a six-man tag uh tag belts. You know, bring in a stable, because everything is wrestling is all about revolving. Everything's been done, everything has been done a thousand times over, it's just been presented, like you said, in a different manner. Not that it you you can go back in anything that's being done today, you can go back and match it to something else that's been done in the past in one way, shape, or form. It's not about what it is, it's about how you present it and how you create it to make it your own. You know, so there's been doinks and there's been all kinds of stuff with the with the whole clown thing, but the whole point is, is I don't go and do the clowny stuff. I don't go out there and pull out the gimmicks and all the craziness and all that. I don't. The mask is just a small part of what the carnival barker presents to the audience when he comes out.

SPEAKER_05 15:33

You know, when you say that the carnival barker, you you yourself as a character, I'm I'm definitely curious of like where did it come from? And could you give our audience

Carnival Barker Origins And From Your Town

SPEAKER_05 15:45

more of a breakdown of who this character is?

SPEAKER_01 15:49

Yes, yes. Um, okay, so as we all love wrestling, you know, and I'm a huge, huge history buff. I always have been, and didn't really understand why I love what I love when I fell in love with wrestling at eight years old. But as I went back and done my history research and things and went back to the days of the carnival when the entertainment value of wrestling that we know and love, the outlandish characters, the crazy matches, the predetermined outcomes, the the whole, you know, theatrical side of wrestling that we know and love nowadays. And we all know it's true, it is what it is. But with that being brought forth at the carnival back in the day, and I saw the first guy that walked out onto the into the middle of the ring in front of a crowd and said, Welcome, this is pro wrestling, you know, whatever he said. I don't know, but the carnival barker was the first gimmick, the first character. And he ran the show. He told you what, when, where, and how. He was the guy that presented the show in a verbal fashion to tell you everything that's going on, everything that has happened, everything that will happen. And I said, Well, why don't I present that to uh a generation of wrestling fans of nowadays that don't know why they love what they love? Don't in you know, they we all love wrestling and it's all good storytelling, but if you can go back and take appreciation for how it started, it will give you a whole new idea, a whole new love, and a whole new depth to the wrestling that you watch. You'll be able to watch them in a whole new light. If you know what I mean? And that is what I want to do. I present that to the wrestling fan of nowadays to show them why they love what they love.

SPEAKER_05 17:37

It's kind of like almost giving a rebirth, like you're you're doing a history lesson at the same time. I'm a walking talking history lesson. Exactly. Literally, yeah, literally, a walking, talking history lesson. And I find that really dope because, you know, as you said before, everything has been refurbished and used already so many different times. I mean, I'm a big fan of New Jack, Taz, and people in nature. We have talkers who are like that currently. Yes. And while their gimmicks are unique to them, but some of the storylines, some of the things that they did, they are just only replications of somebody else. And so I find that really interesting that you take that with the Carney aspect, because that is again where it started.

SPEAKER_01 18:20

So ah man, that's that's crazy. It's wild that you know you think about it, and it's such an easy concept to grasp because you know, characters are characters. But the fact is, is like I even do it as much as when you know, people say that they're billed from Milwaukee, they're billed from Austin, Texas, billed from wherever. But Ricca, the character, is billed from your town. So everywhere I go, I'm from your town. Why? Because that's what a carnival does. It goes from town to town to town to town. And not only that, but it is an immediate hook because when they say from your town, no matter where I go, they go, wait a minute, from my town, do I know this guy? Now they're invested. Now, before I've even got through the curtain, they're already sitting on the edge of their seat and they're trying to see my walk, my talk, my hair's long. Who do I know that matches all of these things that I can place in my life? Do I know this guy? Because I wear a mask, so they don't know if they know me. So they're already on the edge of their seat and invested, and I haven't even so much as through the first punch, got in the ring yet. It's all about that immediate hook.

SPEAKER_03 19:30

Listen, listen, he's been listening, he's been listening to Jake the Snake talk. That's that's what that is right there.

SPEAKER_05 19:37

And that's what I'm like, yo, because I'm a big Jake the Snake fan. Big, big Jake the Snake fan. But I love that because it's like I know there's a hometown man in TNA, so technically like any city you go to, the announcer says from that city that you're in.

SPEAKER_01 19:53

From your town. Got you. Okay. Your town. I'm not from that place specifically, but I'm from your town. I don't say USA. I don't say what state. I just say from your town.

SPEAKER_02 20:07

From your town.

SPEAKER_01 20:08

And they say it just as casual, they say it just as casually as like it's not an actual place. I'm from where you live. I'm from here, you know.

SPEAKER_05 20:16

Yeah, like parts unknown and stuff like that, kind of like that.

SPEAKER_01 20:18

Yeah, pretty much. And it just builds on the whole carnival aspect of the gimmick and the freak show rolling through town. And um, like I said, it already involves them. I'm already they are enjoying what they enjoy already before I've even stepped through the curtain. And then they see the lights. And then even though every company has tried pushing me and my group heel because of the way we look, we're faces. We're good guys. And and I understand the way we look and all that. It is what it is.

SPEAKER_03 20:49

I ain't gonna

Building The Family Affiliated Mythos

SPEAKER_03 20:50

lie, you got some you got some scary guys in your posse, fam. Well, look, man, and at least they look, they look they look scary.

SPEAKER_01 20:56

Okay, so I don't I don't an audio book. It's a 35-minute audio book for the family affiliated explaining why these characters are the way they are and why we came to be the way we came to be. We're the family affiliated. Back in the day when the freak show was rolling through town, it was everybody had a different character. Everybody had a different gimmick, everybody had a different show, a different art, a different style. But they all were under the same big top and were a carnival family. They traveled together, ate together, slept together, it is what it is. But that is why everything that we do is so different gimmick-wise, but they all mesh together because we're just a bunch of freaks when it comes down to it. And the whole persona, the whole gimmick and as a family is to present to the masses that say what you want, you know, act how you want, but everybody wears a mask at one day at one way or another. We just have the gall to show it. You know, everybody has flaws, everybody has differences, but it doesn't make us any less approachable than you because. We decided to show our mask versus you decided to hide it inside your house.

SPEAKER_05 22:04

You know, I did not expect to get gems today.

SPEAKER_01 22:08

These are gems, bro. These are gems. Oh my goodness. Like Gluttony the Scarecrow. Blutney the Scarecrow. His whole thing is back in the day of the early carnival, he was a butcher. That's what he done. He cut meat, he done fed the masses as they came, but he sat back year after year watching these families of these husbands and these wives and these children come in and they're having a good time, the rides, the games, the whole stick. But they he started seeing through that, seeing the bruises on the wives' arms and the the son that's a little skittish when the dad moves too quick in his way and realizes that there's only a front. At home, this guy, the husband, is a manipulative, abusive, you know, this, that, and the other. But when he comes out in public, he wants to play Mr. Perfect. And uh he was Landfill at the time, the butcher, and he became gluttony, and he would uh steer them away and take care of the true darkness of the world that exists.

SPEAKER_00 23:08

Well the good. Okay. Okay.

SPEAKER_03 23:12

Listen, it's what it's it's it's I really like because some of this, um, you actually uh uh a couple of months back you did an interview with actually a good friend of mine, uh David. Uh me and him, we went to high school together. So like we go way back. Okay. And um some of this stuff I heard you was talking about, and I was like, hmm, these like some of these ideas and these like some of the stories that some of your uh like your your your family, as you say, you know, that they kind of have that goes with them. It it it does feed into that whole that whole uh that carnival aspect where it's like, yeah, they may look scary or a little weird and different kind of thing, but like deep down, they're they're good people. And they're good folk, yes, kind of thing. Even if they have like that real scary, you know, yes, that that scary look, but then it's like have a rose. We're friends.

SPEAKER_01 24:09

You could put somebody that's like that husband, you know, looks real clean cut, you know, average Joe blow down the road, looks normal, but is truly in his heart, in his spirit, in his body, is a dark, dark, scary man. But he looks normal outside. But then you got me, and it's the exact opposite. But that's what I'm saying. Don't judge a book. That's the whole thing, man. Don't judge a book.

SPEAKER_05 24:36

That's crazy. No, I like I like that because you know, for me as an individual, I like to use the concept of another day, another penny. It's my way of saying, you know, I'm always moving forward, I'm always gonna be true to who I am. Yes. And when you I'm taking it, when you put on the mask, when you put on uh your persona itself, it it's not just that. It is a part of who you are. And yes, while I'm I am performing, I am a talent in that moment, but I'm still able to give you that rose and still be treat you as a human, even though in the moments I look scary, but in all reality, I'm not. So yeah.

SPEAKER_01 25:12

It blows my mind once people finally grasp the concept of we're not trying to be a white six, we're not trying to, you know, be just another scary gimmick and all of that, because everything that we do is about pushing positivity. And I I I've said this on the last couple of podcasts, but me and Gluttony, you know, outside of gimmick, have actually just started our own promotion, exist to inspire wrestling. You know, um, but we're doing that just like we're doing this gimmick. It's all about pushing for a more positive outlook on yourself. Because, in all honesty, if you're good with you, if you're okay with the man looking back in the mirror or whoever looking back in the mirror, then the rest of the world will adjust if you're okay with you. That's bottom line. And I want to be able to show people, because I've had people offer me the spot of of removing the mask and trying to go with a different gimmick and all this kind of stuff. And I want people to understand that regardless if you want to say it or not, I am you. I am the mask that you refuse to show the world every day. You may put it on when you get home, or or you may wear it out to the world, reverse that, but you may you may take it off when you get home, but you this is what you present to the world. It's it's a it's a false facade. But you don't have to. You don't have to. Everybody has flaws, everybody has differences and all of that. And like I said at the first of this podcast, that's what makes the world beautiful. That you look like you how you look, and I look like how I look, and everything is different. Nothing is mundane, nothing is the same. And if you focus on what everybody else presents you to the world as, then you're not living, you're existing.

SPEAKER_05 26:56

You know, that that is a great concept because I uh one of my favorite animes of all time, Foolie Cooley, uh embodies that concept of like, hey, you have this baseball bat, which is the main character. His brother went into uh America as a baseball uh player, and the Harakosa, which is the female lead, she always kept telling the main character, hey, you can't go on in life until you make your first swing. And and the character was so afraid of swinging, so afraid of taking that leap and fully expressing themselves. So I feel like that concept is very similar to that, and I feel like it's really dope uh that you are able to embody that as a character. Now, with you getting into wrestling, like,

Inspirations From ECW To Attitude Era

SPEAKER_05 27:40

you know, we talked about DDP, we talked about those people. Like, who were some of your inspirations as you were growing up and watching the product to the point where you finally got into the ring?

SPEAKER_01 27:50

Well, um, when it comes to like ECW and stuff, I was always a RBD fan, you know, the high flyers, the things like that. I was a, you know, psychosis fan, WCW. I was a Billy Kidman fan, you know, doing the shooting star press. All the luches that come through there, the Eddie Guerreros, the Rays, the the all of them. The Ultimo Dragons. I mean, come on. Who couldn't be inspired by those guys? Especially, like I said earlier, smaller dude. I'm like, those guys are doing everything, and then some that that's my guys. So coming over to WWF or E was people like Jeff Hardy or the Hardy boys in general, really. Um, I loved Mosh and Thrasher back in the day.

SPEAKER_02 28:38

I did.

SPEAKER_01 28:38

That's a good thing overlooked. So Tingley gets overlooked a lot. But um, yeah, I loved the headbangers. Um dude, that was just a lot of tag team stuff that I really enjoyed through the through the era. I was always a Shawn Michaels guy. That was my the the goat, in my opinion, you know, will always be that was the hook that that drew me into everything, period. That's basically it, man. Guys my size that I could go kept my drive going, that it wasn't a pipe dream because those guys are my size. You know what I mean?

SPEAKER_03 29:17

Absolutely rocking around what with the big belts and uh champions. She exactly. I could do it too. Exactly.

SPEAKER_05 29:27

Easy. So knowing that these were also your inspirations, and then obviously you developed your character based off those inspirations. I know you something you mentioned earlier. I never got a chance to ask this, but you mentioned how people probably view you as scary, people probably view you as heel, and you probably get this comparison a lot. Do you get a lot of uh ICP comparisons sometimes?

SPEAKER_01 29:49

Dude, okay, so I've always been an ICP fan. You know, my my older brother got Yeah, look, I wrestled at the gathering. It is what it is, but I went, my brother got me into it when I was probably nine, because he was into it. He was going into his teenage years, a couple years older than me, so he started jamming the Riddle Box and you know, Great Belinko and all that kind of stuff. And I I fell into the same vibe as I got older. But as I built this whole persona and the whole thing, the Carnival Barker gimmick came, the clown thing was was last because I didn't I didn't want to be just a guy in a tailcoat, you know, looked at more like a ringmaster because that's not really, in my opinion, there's not a bunch of growth to that character. You get stuck. You know, if you're a carnival barker, a ringmaster, whatever, they're gonna expect the vest, the tailcoat, the top hat, the cane. You know, every single time. But doing something that's a little left to center, like building it as a freak show, more than just this guy run, you know, runs the vocals of it, I guess. There was a lot of avenues I could take as far as gross. Like this last weekend, I I came out as uh the lizard man. And I had uh scale, I made a whole new jacket with scales on it. It had a dragon tail on the back, had a deep hood with dragon scales. Uh I had dragon scales where the pink diamonds are on my mask. I mean, came out as but that's the freak show, man. What freak show didn't have a lizard man?

SPEAKER_05 31:23

I mean, a poor bearded lady who lists or something of that nature.

SPEAKER_01 31:27

Right. I just I just cut my beard. I was bearded lady last month. No, but um, it's just a lot of a lot of ways to be and stay creative. And I'm super creative and and especially when it comes to wrestling, and now that I get to constantly work, and I say constantly work on this gimmick, pushing it. I've been in five going on six years. I've probably made seven or eight different jackets. Um the lights didn't start out with the gimmick. The light

DIY Gear And Bringing Your Own Lights

SPEAKER_01 32:00

I was just doing the mask and the uh glow-in-the-dark gear kind of. And I uh my first outside my normal home booking um or home promotion, I went to Kingsland, Texas, or Kingsville, Texas, like 10 hours away from where I live. And I get it down there, and it's just a ring and a black curtain. That's it. Ring and a black curtain. No, no lights, no flashing, nothing, just a ring and a black curtain. And it really killed my whole vibe, you know what I'm saying? So I thought to myself when I got home on the ride back, I was like, you know what, instead of worrying about what everybody else has at every promotion that I go to, what lights they have or don't have, I'll just bring them myself. I'll just be the light.

unknown 32:45

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 32:45

And that's it. I can respect that too.

SPEAKER_03 32:47

That's real, that's actually a smart move because now it's like you because now they can they can't fuck up your entrance. They can't fuck up your entrance. Exactly. You know, like now it what their production can be absolute shite, but you got your own production. All I need for you is to cut the lights off. Exactly. So it's like, hey, if you can just hit a light switch real quick, boom, you come out.

SPEAKER_01 33:13

Yeah, dude. And and that's the thing, man, is not only do you stand out, everything outside of my mask and my boots, I made myself. I've made everything. And all because I am super creative, I've I've done graphic design and things like that. So doing that stuff with costume design, I was doing that years ago, going to the Renaissance fair and all this kind of stuff, you know, for my friends and things. So creating the gimmick itself and and and piecing it all together wasn't a big wasn't a big hurdle, knowing how to sew and all that kind of stuff.

SPEAKER_03 33:47

Very nice, very nice.

SPEAKER_01 33:48

But it has made it. It um it made it to where when I go into a locker room, because I've been in I think I've worked 30 different promotions so far, and I go into locker rooms and I see the same tights that we ordered from the same guy. They're just different color, but they're the same pattern, you know what I mean? And it everything I've got, no one is going to have because I made it myself.

SPEAKER_03 34:15

Yes. You know? Yes. That's that's that's that's the way to do it. That's the way to do it. Now deniable. Now you you uh the only to slightly shift gears here, because you did bring up the fact, because I'm like, oh man, Rekawale, he's he is definitely one of us, one of us. You know what I'm saying? I when I was listening to your interview uh with my boy David, um, he didn't really uh he didn't really dig a whole lot into it, but I'm like,

DnD Roots Behind The Name

SPEAKER_03 34:45

hmm, I'm going to dig into it. Go for it. I heard you was a avid D player. Oh, what?

SPEAKER_00 34:55

Okay.

SPEAKER_03 34:56

Okay, that that's a whole err we're gonna just take the take the left. I I dabble a little bit in some DD myself, you know what I'm saying? Okay, what you play? What do you play? So right now I'm a DM. But oh well I can respect that. But my uh my if I had like my standard, if I'm just gonna go into somebody else's game, I'm gonna be uh you wantie. Uh gonna be uh a mix between a fighter and rogue, specifically an assassin. Gotcha.

SPEAKER_01 35:32

I'm I'm a rogue shadow dancer, so a ninja, basically.

SPEAKER_03 35:38

Yo, rogue shadow dancer, that was me.

SPEAKER_01 35:42

3.5 rogue Oh my god that's that's the match, dude. That's what I've been playing since high school. Matter of fact, me and three or four of my buddies, we've still we call it the Epic Map Campaign, because we have literally added to it over the past almost 20 years now, since 2007, six.

SPEAKER_03 36:00

That's nice.

SPEAKER_01 36:01

And we've just he's got it rolled up in a little tube, like a uh like tube from National Treasure. He's got it rolled up in there, and um every couple of years we'll roll some out, play a little bit, add to it, and it's all drew out. So it's great. It's just great. Oh man, fam, that's where Rick could come from. That's the whole that's the whole name creation. Because I my my the whole thing with rogue shadow dancer was I threw knives. I was super precise with throwing knives. And not only that, but I could take them, and because I was a rogue shadow dancer and I could at times teleport, I could take these knives and throw them at objects and have them ricochet and hit what I wanted. So the nickname ricochet became the thing.

SPEAKER_00 36:52

Ricca.

SPEAKER_01 36:53

Ricca, right. Right. Yeah. And when I decided to get into the wrestling, I was going to be Rick, I was thinking of a name, and I was going to be Ricca, the wild card Lee, because my actual middle name is Lee. And um I got to doing some more research and looking around the internet and things, and I realized there's a billion different Lee's, and there's a billion different wildcards in every other promotion. And I was like, yeah, I needed to come up with something different. So, you know, I came up with Wildly because it's wildly entertaining, wildly charismatic, you know.

SPEAKER_03 37:26

But you over here blowing his mind like, fam, these these plugins right now.

SPEAKER_01 37:32

I mean, dude, when I say this is not an overnight process, this was a dig. This was a complete dig, build over time, and I wanted it. My biggest thing in wrestling, and and I know it changes every day, but my biggest thing personally in wrestling is things that do not make sense. I want you to, as a fan, as a wrestling connoisseur, I want you to spoon feed me every detail of why this character and this gimmick is who he is or who she is, and how she is.

SPEAKER_03 38:03

Hey, W, are you listening?

SPEAKER_01 38:05

I'm just saying. Like, I love characters. I love gimmicks, I love the most outlandish of them. But give me purpose. Give me reason on why I should enjoy these characters. If I know their depth, they're back. If you were watching X-Men back in the day and it just popped on and there was just guys fighting already, and had no depths on who these characters were, you would enjoy it. But it would be a lot more enjoyable if you knew their struggle, if you knew why they were the way they were. Same thing. I'm just saying, I mean, that's just the way I feel personally, and I don't get to voice it enough. But and that goes indies, that goes pros, that goes all of it. You know, characters, I love them. They're great, they get money, they they draw a crowd, people enjoy it, love it being entertained. But if you're planning on that character lasting, and they didn't give the backstory like WWE did for Kane, and Kane popped us out of the blue, you wouldn't have enjoyed it as much. You know what I'm saying? Nope.

SPEAKER_03 39:10

I mean, it has to be Sunday because Recca out here is preaching right now. Preaching. It is. It is. That's what it is.

SPEAKER_05 39:19

And I know I got two more questions before we kind of go into uh Swag's big question. He likes to cap everything all together. Uh I'm curious because I'm every wrestler has a finish. So can you describe what is your finish and what is the name of it?

Finishers And The Lost Art Of Selling

SPEAKER_01 39:36

Okay. I've got, you know, an A finisher and a B finisher. I'm not, like I said, I'm not a big guy. So my main finisher that I use is called the Big Top. And it's literally, I kick them in the stomach, they bend over, I run to the rope beside them, I come back and I do a front flip neck, big, huge front flip neck breaker. They spin over, land on their back, boom. And I all and I do that, and I've had that since the training days, because I can do it on any size person. You know, it doesn't have to be, I'm I'm not boxed in that way. And I don't have to take these crazy flip bumps, even though I know I could do some flippy stuff, but I don't want to do that every single match, man. Exactly. Like, come on. Yeah, pull it out when it went when I need a good pop or something like that, but I don't want to do it every single. I want to have it expanded.

SPEAKER_05 40:24

Longevity of the body is issued. Right. Right. So for me, I'm kind of kind of thinking of it as John Morrison's.

SPEAKER_01 40:32

That's exactly what it is. It's exactly what it is. I do it off the run. I run into it and catch him and do the flip. Same thing. Same thing.

SPEAKER_05 40:41

That's what I was thinking. That's what I was thinking. Okay, so that's the A finisher.

SPEAKER_01 40:44

Yeah, and the B finisher is if I'm facing some guys that that I can manhandle and pick up like that, is I get them in a torture rack, we do a helicopter spin, and I let go of their legs, and we fall in a flying double neck breaker or big neck breaker. Boom.

SPEAKER_00 40:59

Okay.

SPEAKER_03 41:00

I get them. I've actually seen the clips of that one. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 41:03

I've seen clips of that one.

SPEAKER_01 41:04

Yeah. And I mean, like I say, I can't go to that one. The UFO drive.

SPEAKER_05 41:09

The UFO drive.

SPEAKER_01 41:11

So the big top and the UFO drive. Okay. That's it. That's it. Okay.

unknown 41:15

Okay.

SPEAKER_01 41:15

And I mean, I've got a bunch of other things that I pull out periodically, you know, but I just I was trained old school. You know, a lot of locks, a lot of things that newer wrestling fans don't see as much because of everything being so flashy nowadays. You know, and and honestly, me selling my selling versus not selling has gotten me over more than being able to take these giant moves or do these giant spots or whatever, just on the fact that people see me as more human. You know, if I'm if I get a big move, I'm gonna why would I get right back up? I mean, hurt or not, why would I want to get right back up? I mean, I'm a small dude and you just slammed me down to my back from five foot up in the air.

SPEAKER_03 42:09

The art of selling has been tainted, and somebody needs to reestablish it. Cause we was what, maybe about an episode or two ago, we went on a small tangent just talking about the fact that people just don't sell like they should anymore. Dude. And it hurts me because it's like it it would elevate and enhance the feeling of the match so much. I think the one that we uh that I was specifically talking on was what was it? Uh it was WrestleMania, right? WrestleMania, you know, fantastic match between Roman Reigns and Punk. But after going through all that they did, I need Roman, I needed Roman Reigns to like, sure, yeah, yeah, like sure the whole it was the whole idea of like, you know, Roman Reigns was able to outlast the old man person, yeah, yeah, type thing. But at the same time, CM Punk took him through some shit. Right. You know what I'm saying? Right. And Roman Reigns, like, he bounced up and did the double run off the ropes and then speared him. And then he's like, you know, like nothing happened. Like, bro, your ribs, why aren't you holding that? Okay, what's with your neck?

SPEAKER_01 43:20

Remember Matt, like back in the day, people used to take one tape, go through one table. Next week on Monday, they ribs taped up. Yes. You know, like neck brakes.

SPEAKER_03 43:32

Right, neck brakes, not an ambulance. Like hard fought match. I pinned you, and you gotta lay the belt on top of me because I'm tired. Right, right, right. That's what Shawn Michaels used to do when we used to love Triple H. The fallover.

SPEAKER_01 43:46

Yeah, do the super kick and just fall over top of him.

SPEAKER_05 43:49

Not even that, but like when Triple H like after Shawn Michaels had his matches, like especially Babla match, Triple H had to carry him out because Taker just.

SPEAKER_01 44:00

And Mandaker carried him out. I mean, but that's the thing, dude. Is people the reason that they used to love like lucha, okay, and I'm gonna use that as an example because it's all masked guys. But when you wear a mask, there's no facial selling. Okay, everything is done through verbal and body language. So if you take a huge move and pop right back up, not only did you just bury whatever that guy does remotely like that, or as big as that move was or anything for the rest of the match, none of it should hurt. You know, but if you don't understand the fact that people that do wear masks have to oversell through the yelling, the moaning, the groaning, the holding their back or arm or whatever is supposed to be hurting at the time, you know, pointing it out to the audience and spoon feeding it to them so they know that no matter what happens to your back or arm or whatever for the rest of this match, the reason it hurts the way it hurts is because it hurt at the first of the match when it got hurt.

SPEAKER_03 45:04

You know? Listen. So Records stay preaching on them. Keep preaching that good word.

SPEAKER_01 45:12

I'm I'm, dude, I'm nowhere near legendary status. I'm not even trying to say I'm ever gonna get to that point, but I have watched enough wrestling and have been obsessed, and I say obsessed since I was eight years old with this product. It's the only thing in my life that has ever 110% around the table been constant. It has never took anything from me, it has never hurt me, it is only given. And I can do nothing but give back as much as I can now that I'm in a position to. There are fans out there, there are people out there looking to get into this business and everywhere in between, and it is my job to stick my foot in the doorway to have it cracked open for them to be able to take that next step. That is the position of paying it forward that wrestling was built on, and that is what my career is going to be built on. Point blank.

SPEAKER_05 46:01

Okay. I I again more gems. I I can't even express enough. Like for anybody to watch this and not one be inspired to create or develop a character or just get into wrestling in some way, shape, or form of a business. Y'all missing out if y'all ain't watching this one.

SPEAKER_03 46:18

Listen, Record Wiley, you guys had on right, fam. We guys had on right.

SPEAKER_05 46:22

Yes, yes. So uh, last question for me uh before we kind of go into the big one is uh we talked everything about wrestling, where we watched, where we origin, everything, but we are wrestling game fanatics.

Wrestling Games That Shaped A Fan

SPEAKER_05 46:37

So what were the games you were playing when you grew up?

SPEAKER_01 46:40

WCW versus NWO Revenge. Oh cut the interview.

SPEAKER_04 46:47

He said cut the interview. Cut the interview right now. This means he said BCW versus NWO fruit.

SPEAKER_01 46:56

Okay, so when I first started out playing wrestling games, um my one of my older cousins who originally got me into wrestling, um, are the first wrestling figures I ever seen, didn't really know who they were. Um, but he had a Super Nintendo, and we played some like Royal Rumble back in the day, some WWF Roll Rumble and things like that. But as far as me playing on my own, it was going to be WWF No Mercy or WCW vs NW Revenge. And then I got my first PS2, and that became a roller coaster of SmackDown, Here Comes the Pain, you know, shut your mouth, uh, so on and so forth onto the SmackDown versus Raw's. And it got to be about 2015 or so was when I owned my last game and owned my last system. And it's been, yeah, I don't, I don't, I have ADHD really bad, and sitting down and playing for a long period of time is a problem.

SPEAKER_05 47:55

I feel that now because there's certain games that I have currently that I'm like, man, I used to be a big fan of the Yakuza games, and I tried playing them recently, and I'm like, man, I I can't do this anymore. This is crazy and it's sad for me. So I get it, I get it. So uh it's great to hear that you you have a similar upbringing of gaming. You know, we've had people where we've started off on Warzone. That is really I love Warzone too, man.

SPEAKER_01 48:17

That's enough. That was there too. I love Warzone, bro. Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 48:21

Attitude, the WWE attitude was a great one too, as well as backstage assault.

SPEAKER_01 48:25

WCW backstage assault. Oh you enjoyed it. Oh that was one of the games, bro, and I and I really it really got me because of the one thing it could do where you could take a computer and bust it on somebody's head and they like electrocuted, and I was like, I loved it.

SPEAKER_00 48:46

It's just a game.

SPEAKER_03 48:49

You know what's funny when I think back, because like I played that game, but like growing up, I was a uh WWE uh uh uh fullist, so it was either them or bust. So I remember playing Backstage Assault, loving the game, having no idea who these people were. I think the people who I know I play with the most, I know I I play with Macho Man because I recognized him from the Slim Gym commercials. I'm like, oh, that's who that guy is, because I was a little too young to really remember him when he was actually like actively in WWE. Right. But then and then there was Sting, who was like, huh, it kind of reminds me of The Undertaker. And so that that that that was that's like the most I would get, but yes, hitting it with the the the the TV Oh man, I was huge like watching it.

SPEAKER_01 49:43

My family was overall, once I got into it and we got to where we were watching every Monday, I was a WWF guy. But my cousins that I would go hang out with on the weekends were WCW. So when we got to to hang out, they had all the WCW games and their figures and all that kind of stuff. And I had all the WWF games and figures and things. So when we messed up on the weekends, I got cultured on all WCW, and that's when I learned about Lucha and Rey Mysterio and Nice, you know, Dean Malinko and all these cats that I didn't know nothing about. But that is that was my weekend schooling of of another side of wrestling until I became a a switcher, you know, back and forth during the war.

SPEAKER_03 50:25

But once you figured out, once you got that good TV, that was like, what was the last channel?

SPEAKER_01 50:31

Yep. And the wars happened, I was back and forth.

SPEAKER_05 50:35

I never really did that. I did that maybe one time or so. That's only because Goldberg, that was it, but never really super did it like that. But um Swag, I know, like I said before, Swag has one particular question she likes to ask every wrestler we have here, or every talent that we have here. And then I have my game that I like to work with.

SPEAKER_03 50:57

So Swag, go ahead and hit And I know for you, especially, especially now that I've we've gotten to talk to you and we've been we've chilled out for this time, it's like to ask this question is going to be a very interesting

What Matters Most For A Debut

SPEAKER_03 51:10

one. Yeah so the first half of this question is when it comes to the your the first presentation from start to finish, what to you is the most important piece in between the promo, the entrance slash you know, actual visual presentation, and then or in match of those three, what is the most important one in your eyes?

SPEAKER_00 51:46

Listening. To answer all of those, to answer all of those. What's the first question you asked? Which one the most important one? Yeah, and you say listening mouth closed, ears open.

SPEAKER_01 52:08

Because no matter how you've been, no matter where you go, there will always be somebody there with different ideas, different ways of looking at things, different ways of being, different ways of seeing your gimmick. Not that you need to change it, not that you need to manipulate it in any way, but everybody's ideas and visions of the way they see you to the world is different than yours. Not that it may change you at all, but if you don't be if you're not open enough to listening, then you're gonna box yourself in. And you're only gonna go as far as you know, your little walls have allowed you to go. But if you are open to letting everybody else inspire you as you're inspiring everyone else, then the things are limitless.

SPEAKER_00 52:51

Your entrance, your persona, your gimmick, your career is endless. But listening, that is true.

SPEAKER_01 52:57

Listening is number one.

SPEAKER_05 52:59

That is true. And I liked how you you take that concept of taking all three and basically just listening. And you know, listening it could be a all three in one concept. If you if you had to choose out of the three, though, uh, what would you say is the most important in a debut aspect?

SPEAKER_01 53:21

Most important is going to be your promo. And the only right only reason I say that is because it uh creates the draw, the initial draw to who this character is. With one promo, they're going to decide if they're gonna buy a ticket at that event or not. You know? And without that, what's the point of having an entrance if ain't nobody there? You know, you've got the initial hook, that's the thing. It's it's the name, it's the pictures, it's the gimmick, it's the video, it's the promo, it's all of us. But if you don't have that initial draw to get them at least piqued their interest a little bit, then there's no point in the rest of it even being a a question.

SPEAKER_03 54:09

Gotta get them in a building first. See, see, this this this this is why I was like, uh, this guy that on some legendary you're the f so far, like this you hit I threw the question at you and you knocked it out with like as if it was like you like you hit a curveball and you got the home run with it. Because it was just like, oh, he hit he threw it back at me, and I'm like, okay. I like that though. Because that because it makes sense and it's very true. Yeah. Because regardless of how you see it, it's more so how everyone else sees it. And once you can get that feedback from everybody else, that's where that's that's where the the true power of it all lies.

SPEAKER_01 54:57

Learning how to take when I'm and I'm gonna use these words and they are so powerful, destructive criticism. Learning how to take that as someone talking to you and not talking at you, once that is understood, your your growth is endless because everybody that you come in contact with could change you in in some way, shape, or form, whether it be a new motto or a little, you know, one-liner you use, or a new way to put your gear, or you know, just a way to present yourself at a wrestling show. When new guys come in, they don't know to show up and shake everybody's hand and introduce yourself to the promoter and all that kind of stuff and kind of sit out of the way in the locker room, kind of find your own little corner. There's things that happen that you you you learn over time, but they don't know. So if if you get somebody that is willing, willing to learn, willing to listen, willing to grow, then there's nothing that they can't do. As a promoter now, you know, I've said this multiple times and I've had to turn guys down, but it's if I had one guy who could wrestle great amazingly, top-notch guy, but couldn't promo to save his life, then I got a guy who can promote just over the moon, great, amazing, but can't wrestle to save his life. And then I got a guy in the middle that can do a little bit of both pretty good. Who do you think I'm gonna book? Right. Exactly. It's not only because he has room to grow, the middle guy has room to grow. He doesn't think he has perfected his craft. Wrestling will never, ever in the history of mankind to this world goes to wherever it's going, will never be perfected. There's no such thing. Wrestling is a beautiful, perfect imperfection that we know and love as professional wrestling. Because it breaks down in everybody's life in a different manner. What speaks to you in a match may not speak to me, and vice versa. What storylines peace to you may not speak to me, but that is what makes entertainment great. That is what makes this small little escape that we have amazing.

SPEAKER_00 56:59

That is pro wrestling. Period. Swag, I feel bad for you to ask this next question, because god damn.

SPEAKER_03 57:09

I mean, no, no, it it it's good. It's good. Listen, like I said, Recca out here, he's out here preaching, man. Wreca preaching right now. Like he he may not feel like it is, but like so somebody needs to hear this.

SPEAKER_00 57:22

Yes, bro.

SPEAKER_03 57:22

They can run the heart, man. So somebody's gonna hear this and gonna be all like, I get it. Cause he ain't said nothing but truths. There's no lies in his game. So the second piece to the the second piece to this, right, the way that it goes is so with that being said about those three, in a situation where you're in like this new establishment, people don't know who you are, and so and you're getting all these pieces lined up, if one of them had to go bad, if one of them had to be botched, and they're and like like just so happenly it happens, which one would you rather botch, but you nail every other aspect of it out of the promo, the presentation entrance, and the actual in-ring wrestling. If one of them had to get more.

When An Entrance Botch Happens

SPEAKER_03 58:23

Entrance.

SPEAKER_01 58:24

I'll have more quitting more entrance. I botched one last weekend. I mean, look, I'll I'll be straight up because I've I've refused to post it, but I've showed a bunch of my friends, I'll probably post it later. But so I had the new gear and I've got something called orthostatic hypertension. And a lot of people don't know what that is, but if you've been down for too long, you stand up too quick, your blood pressure doesn't level out, you get dizzy.

unknown 58:48

Okay.

SPEAKER_02 58:49

Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 58:49

Yeah, then you know what it happens. But I didn't even think about it because I walked out of my entrance, I've got my top hat in my hand, I'm staring down into the lights. I got my hood down, and I'm and I'm bending down kind of like in a uh a baseball position, you know, catcher position. And I stand up real fast, I throw my hood off, I put my top hat on, and I start walking. As I'm walking about three or four feet in, everything goes black. Oh no. I get I'm I'm getting crazy dizzy. Like to the point I thought I was going down, and I just told myself, I said, keep walking straight, keep walking straight, just keep walking straight. And I literally walked face first into the ring post. Boop. Just like it tipped my tipped my hat. I went bam, and it like tipped my top hat. But I played it off and I just kept walking around the ring once I kind of gathered myself, but that right there kind of freaked me out a little bit. I was just everything just kind of was just tunneled in and went black, and I was like, oh no, oh no. There was like 600 people there. It was in Mississippi for a cancer benefit. And oh, dude, it was matched, went great, everything else went great, but if I had a choice between all three, promo, I don't want to botch that because that's your hook. That's what's getting them in the door. I'd rather botch the entrance because I can fix that later. I can do something different and do another entrance later. And I don't want to get hurt in the ring by botching any moves, so you know what?

SPEAKER_05 1:00:11

Sound logic. Sound because I mean like you could even be like, yo, something was in me in the moment, and I just boom, I didn't realize where I was. I was I was spiritually connected to the city.

SPEAKER_01 1:00:20

When I say they turn out the light, when they turn out the lights, it's usually jet black dark in there. And the only thing I can see is the lights under my top hat, and it I really can't see nothing, you know, until I get right next to the fans.

SPEAKER_03 1:00:34

When I say you stood up and that extra darkness started cut kicking us, like, oh no.

SPEAKER_01 1:00:39

Because I was staring down into my top hat, holding it down like this, and I was staring down into the lights, and when I looked up, I didn't have time for my eyes to adjust to the dark or anything. Oh, dude, it was bad. It was bad.

SPEAKER_05 1:00:52

It's not even really a botch at that point.

SPEAKER_01 1:00:54

That was just No, the botch is me walking into the ring post. That was the botch. Yeah, that's what's it.

SPEAKER_05 1:00:58

That was just like, damn, the lights. You know, that was my bad.

SPEAKER_01 1:01:01

Hey, at least you didn't drop. Well, usually, usually I don't wear the hood. I don't have a hood on most of my my jackets, so I'll stand behind the curtain with my top hat on, waiting to come out, and I got time, 30 seconds or so, for my lights to kind of adjust my eyes. So by the time I do walk out, I'm good. But I did not at that point. It was bad. Okay.

SPEAKER_05 1:01:25

Well, I want to say thank you for giving us that because uh that that would be a tough question for any any talent is to kind of know exactly where that goes. But I will say uh record, you've made it this far into the podcast episode, so we're gonna have to hit you with the game show mode of the episode where we actually bring up the concept of book, bump, or bury.

Book Bump Bury Across Eras

SPEAKER_05 1:01:48

So basically the concept is pretty much similar to Mary that uh Mary Date kill, but what we're putting you in is the role of a booker, and we're giving you the exact eras of wrestling that you brought up to us earlier and putting talent in front of you, and you will explain who you will book, bump, or bury. And sometimes it can be tough for any talent to say, I don't want to bury this person, but if you can give reasons, great. If you don't want to, we're not gonna force you. But the whole point behind it is it's just a game. We're shooting the shit, we're having fun. So I feel like you can get talent and let's go. All right, bet. He's ready.

SPEAKER_03 1:02:28

All right, cool. So we're gonna go with run it, bruv. Run it.

SPEAKER_05 1:02:32

We're going to go with the ECW era first, because you mentioned that earlier. So, talents that we could look at is going to be Taz, New Jack, and the Dudley boys. Who would you book? Bump or bury?

SPEAKER_01 1:02:50

Look, I'm gonna say all are amazing talents. Okay.

SPEAKER_00 1:02:54

Absolutely. All are amazing talents. Taz, just on.

SPEAKER_01 1:03:01

I'm gonna I'm gonna go with Bump him, book the Dudleys, bury New Jack. Not because I don't like New Jack, not because I don't like New Jack, but there was a lot of negative when you're trying to build as a promoter, you're trying to build a brand, the last thing you need is negative publicity. And there wasn't much, and there wasn't much New Jack done that wasn't negative. I mean, I love his love, you know, love him to death, but there was a lot of bad that went along with the few little goods.

SPEAKER_00 1:03:32

So as a promoter, that's what's happening.

SPEAKER_05 1:03:37

I can respect that. I can respect that. I'm a big New Jack fan. I'm a big New Jack fan, but I can understand that at the same time. He I love New Jack.

SPEAKER_00 1:03:46

I mean, as a wrestler, I love New Jack, you know?

SPEAKER_05 1:03:49

Absolutely. Absolutely. Uh next one is going to be Rob Van Dam, Sabu, and Tommy Dreamer.

SPEAKER_00 1:03:59

Oh yeah. All right. Um, let's see. I'm going to I'm gonna bury Dreamer, I'm gonna book Sabu, and I'm gonna bump Rob. It's the right choice. Yeah. It's the right choice. Hey, here about Dreamer. Why dreamer?

SPEAKER_01 1:04:20

Why dreamer? Because if I'm drawing a house, Dreamer's still doing what he's doing because he didn't do a lot back then. He had some great matches, but he wasn't taking the bumps like everybody else. If I'm drawing a house, Sabu's gonna do that. Okay, okay. I mean, he was doing it until he died, a week before he died.

SPEAKER_03 1:04:39

Yeah, literally he had a match, and then well, like that was I think it was literally like like a like a few days later.

SPEAKER_01 1:04:45

So it's like speaking of it as a promoter, as a financial standpoint, that's that's the best route to take. Not that all three aren't great in their own way. All three could draw a house. I've seen it. But I know that ultimately, if there was a choice to be made on who's gonna overall draw and ain't got no doubt about it, it's gonna be Sabu.

SPEAKER_03 1:05:05

Got it. It's funny, he he said it a lot nicer than I would have said because my my response is like, why would I have done it that way? Because Tommy Dreamer ain't Sabu, and Tommy Dreamer definitely ain't RVD. I mean, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:05:20

I mean, I just gotta get violence, man. Damn, y'all. I had to give Tommy Dreamer his respects, you know. RVD had to had to kind of step back for a while because he was, you know, he'd done all the crazy stuff. Sabu, same way. The reason Tommy Dreamer's still able to do what Tommy Dreamer's doing is because he played it safe a lot of the time. You know, bled, yes, but who didn't?

SPEAKER_05 1:05:44

Especially in ECW. Right. Um so last one from this era, and it's going to be Cruisaway Edition. Okay.

SPEAKER_00 1:05:53

Jerry Lynn to Jerry, super crazy. Okay. Okay. Yeah. I I love all three of them. Like I there's so much going on in my head. That's probably the hardest in my opinion. Um I'm gonna have to say super crazy, Jerry Lynn, and who else? Tajerry. Uh to Jerry.

SPEAKER_01 1:06:21

Okay, okay. I love I love Tajiri. Um I'm gonna say I'm going to bump super crazy or uh bump Jerry Lynn, book super crazy, or bump to Jerry, book Tajiri and bump or uh Barry Super Crazy. Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 1:06:42

Okay, so you're booking Tajiri. Yes.

SPEAKER_01 1:06:44

Bumping Jerry and Jerry Lynn and Barry and Super Crazy. I love Super Crazy. I mean, dude, there there isn't anything that he hasn't done that I just haven't enjoyed. You know, especially when they were doing the the three or the Mexicals, LW Mexicals and yeah, and all that, I loved it. But I just know now, overall, did Jerry Lynn make a long-term impact like Super Crazy did? No. Super Crazy is still going at it, you know, every now and again. You know, but for that period, if we're in that moment in that era at that time, as far as over as Jerry Lynn was, it's hands down Jerry Lynn.

SPEAKER_05 1:07:29

Especially with his matches with RVD.

SPEAKER_01 1:07:31

Those are well a lot of people knew Super Crazy, but they didn't know him because he was fresh from Mexico. You know, he was still gaining a fan base. Jerry Lynn was over already.

SPEAKER_05 1:07:41

Yeah, he also they they always put him in the first match of the car, which was smart, though, because him and Jerry and uh Guido, and they always took the house down.

SPEAKER_01 1:07:50

Set the pace. That's the best way to do it. You have a banger opener, people gonna stay for the rest of them.

SPEAKER_05 1:07:55

Hell yeah. Um, and now we're gonna go to the attitude era. So I'm gonna throw some people at you real quick. Uh, first set is going to be Kurt Angle, Chris Jericho, and the big show.

SPEAKER_00 1:08:09

Okay. I'm going uh I'm going to book Chris Jericho, Bump Big Show, Barry Angle. Damn. Okay, that's the second person that said Barry Angle. Okay, so give us give us your logic.

SPEAKER_01 1:08:23

One. One or two things. And I'm not saying all three probably don't, but as far as entertainment value and willing to give the business, Chris Jericho and Big Show have that in spades. They're willing to do whatever, however, whenever, and no questions asked. Everything outlandish and crazy that Kurt Engel ever done to get entertainment on screen. He may have done it and it looked good on screen, but once you hear about interviews behind the scenes, he done nothing but bitch the whole time about, you know, looking, looking not professional and this, that, and the other. It's like it's entertaining, dude. Like, as a person, that's why he gets buried, in my opinion. Not his wrestling ability. It's not that. It's who do I want on my show that I know is going to entertain, going to wrestle great, and going to draw. And and and Big Show has done crazy things as well with all the sumo stuff. And it's all the crazy things. Yeah, right. That and then Chris Jericho, hands down. So that's the reason I would do it that way. You know what, man?

SPEAKER_05 1:09:32

Another sound decision. Shake my hand. Shake my head, bro. Yes. Absolutely. Okay. Uh, next one. It's gonna be Triple H, Mankind, and Kane.

SPEAKER_00 1:09:48

Okay. That's a hard one. But then again, if we're doing it WWF era, attitude era. I'm going to book Kane, Bump Mankind, bury Triple H. Mmm.

SPEAKER_05 1:10:08

Okay, we talked about my my time triple H. So we'll love to hear if you want to give it. We'd love to hear why you would do this.

SPEAKER_01 1:10:16

You could just you could just re-rewind the video because I'm gonna give you the same explanation as Kurt Angle.

SPEAKER_04 1:10:23

Okay, he's not wrong. He's not fucking wrong.

SPEAKER_01 1:10:28

Who's gonna draw? Who's gonna put on a banger, and who's gonna give me an issue behind the scenes on what I ask him to do as a promoter? Triple H is gonna be the one. I don't want that in my life. Damn.

SPEAKER_03 1:10:38

That's it.

SPEAKER_00 1:10:38

Listen.

SPEAKER_03 1:10:39

Listen. Listen, and and let and as he said, I he is indeed running a promotion as well. So this is straight promoter instinct, promoter thought process here.

SPEAKER_01 1:10:51

Well, I know what I want in my locker room and what I expect out of my show. And if you're not willing to give me all of that 360 degrees, then there's no reason for you to be there. I don't I I don't have the money nor the time to deal with people who think their egos are bigger than they are when we're all sharing a locker room together at the same show on the same day in the same venue. Your ego should be no bigger than mine because we're all here to make this show great. Period. Damn. Damn. Okay, well.

SPEAKER_05 1:11:19

Yes, uh. This last one's a doozy. This last one's a doozy. So I'm gonna say I'm definitely curious because we've had two people so far who've given similar answers. But last one for Attitude Era is going to be Stone Cold, Steve Austin, The Rock, and The Undertaker.

SPEAKER_01 1:11:37

All right.

SPEAKER_05 1:11:38

I'm going to, if we're doing, give me a year that you're focused on Attitude Air. So we're talking about 1998 towards 99. So it's definitely Ministry of Darkness, Undertaker. Okay.

SPEAKER_01 1:11:51

Ministry of Darkness Under. I got you. I got you. And that's kind of where I was needing to focus on. If I am going to do that era then, I'm going to have to bury Undertaker, The Rock, uh, book Stone Cold.

SPEAKER_00 1:12:10

Ooh.

SPEAKER_01 1:12:12

Now, not that I don't love The Undertaker, but, and I'm going to give you the logic, Undertaker was a great gimmick, was working on his gimmick. But the reason he swapped it to overall maintaining the entire ministry of darkness is because he knew his gimmick was getting stale. And if he knew it was getting stale, then that means the people could see it was getting stale. And this is right before the jump of the American Badass now. I mean, so that's when that's when the Undertaker gimmick wasn't that it ever went bad. It was the fact that it wasn't drawing a house like it used to. Now, The Rock and Stone Cold were on peak game at that point. You know, Stone Cold was on his, you know, thing, and the Rock was on the up and coming with all of that. And plus there was a massive storyline there that was between The Rock and Stone Cold that was drawing a house regardless of what town they were in, regardless of how much hype was put behind it. Their names on the marquee drew a house, period. Undertaker was kind of stuck because of his involvement with the ministry. If it didn't involve the ministry as a whole, it wasn't a lot of focus on Taker himself. You know what I'm saying? So if I had to do it at that current moment, it would be Barry Undertaker, bump the rock, and book Stone Cold.

SPEAKER_00 1:13:26

The Rock was about to bump into stardom anyway.

SPEAKER_05 1:13:31

That sounds actually really, really sound information there. Honestly, good, good one. I I will have to give you that one. For the attitude era, that definitely makes sense. Because you know, there were moments where it was getting stale.

SPEAKER_01 1:13:43

So I loved it. Don't get me wrong, all of it was entertaining, but as a promoter, that's that's the game. So that's what I'm that's the logic.

unknown 1:13:53

Okay.

SPEAKER_05 1:13:54

Um, so now we're going into the ruthless aggression era. So uh this era. All right. Um, so we're gonna go into the first set, which is going to be Jeff Hardy, Booker T, and Eddie Guerrero.

SPEAKER_01 1:14:16

I'm going to have to say book Eddie, bump Jeff, Barry Booker. And it's not because Booker is an amazing talent, it's only because he was still getting his WWE footing, you know, around that time from the jump from WCW. He was still, he's a main carter in WCW, champion, everything else. But when he came to WWF, he kind of had to take that back burner role for a small bit until he, you know, kind of got with the boys in the back and and became one of them, you know what I'm saying?

SPEAKER_00 1:14:44

So as a promoter, when Ruthless Aggression took off, that's the way I would have to do it. Sound, honestly. Another sound, sound one. Yes.

SPEAKER_03 1:14:55

Before you keep going, only because like uh because I was thinking about with Jeff Hardy. Now, granted, it and also I think also what made me think about is because like like current your current colors that you kind of got going on going on are like some of my favorite colors that Jeff Hardy would wear. But uh You you said it.

SPEAKER_01 1:15:16

I'm a huge, I'm a huge black light guy. I always have been, like the neon lights, the the the glitchy lights, all that kind of stuff. So when he started doing that as an entrance when I was younger, I was like, and then he started the whole paint, you know, thing with the face and the arm and all that stuff before the tattoos, I was like, dude, that's sick. So over time, the neon glow colors, because this mask is neon, everything else, I've always became just invested in that. So because of I've got the lights now, it just made sense to have the glow in the dark mask and all of that. Another reason just to stand left to center. But it was inspired by Jeff. You knocked a nail on the head.

SPEAKER_03 1:15:55

Hey, see, I'm on it. I'm on it. There you go. And what made me want to ask was when it if you were to like put together and you had to single yourself out for a four people, you know, that route Mount Rushmore kind of thing, who would you have put on that mountain?

SPEAKER_00 1:16:15

What does your mountain look like?

SPEAKER_03 1:16:19

And you can consider a tag team if one is on there, they can be one person. Okay, okay.

SPEAKER_00 1:16:26

Well first things first, I'm going to put Dusty Rhodes on there.

SPEAKER_01 1:16:34

Solid. Just not only hands down, in my opinion, one of the best entertainers that have ever done it ever. I'm not saying wrestler, I'm saying entertainer. There is no crowd that he could not get behind him point blank, period. He was the man in front of Everfan. Period. So that's that's gotta be gotta be number one. Number two, and a lot of people look over him and it's a shame. And that's Sir Steven Regal. Mmm. Give it to him. Yeah. Give it to him. There isn't any aspect of wrestling that he hasn't mastered. And I'm not saying high fly wrestling. I'm talking like when I s wrestling wrestling. You know what I'm saying? The locks, the holds, the the art, the artistry of honestly.

SPEAKER_03 1:17:24

And he and not just that, in-ring and outside the ring. Right, that's what I'm saying. Like the whole the whole scene. He gets the back he does the backstage stuff perfectly. He was the best person for NXT as far as coaching goes. Then you got him a fantastic comedic wrestler. Right, right.

SPEAKER_01 1:17:42

That's what I'm saying. Not an aspect that he couldn't pick up and make his own and make great. I mean, whether it's helping the younger talent or pushing his story, whatever. People like that, that when I say, when I tell my talent go study, that's what I'm talking about. That's what I'm talking about.

SPEAKER_00 1:18:02

Now next, it's probably going to be.

SPEAKER_01 1:18:14

I want to say Edigrera or Rey Mysterio. Both both are on that same kind of level to me because they broke the mold in what Lucha could be in the States, in my opinion. You know, and and I can't. They were a tag team at one time, yeah?

unknown 1:18:29

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:18:29

Okay, so we're gonna put them both on there as a tag team. But yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:18:35

So I like how I like how you did that. He he's almost cheating. Sneaked it in. But we'll say one time, and yeah.

SPEAKER_05 1:18:42

Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. I don't think was it WWE or was it at in WCW? Because I'm trying to think back because I remember Ray was teaming with Batista and Eddie was always with Chavo. So I don't know if there was actually a a WWE time when they were tagging.

SPEAKER_00 1:18:59

I know they know he wasn't part of the Filthy Animals.

SPEAKER_05 1:19:05

No, no, no, no. So he was part of the uh the LWO whenever he started that. Yeah. So that's why I'm wondering if we talk about that version because in WWE they I don't think they technically ever tagged. I know they feud, but I don't know if they tagged.

SPEAKER_03 1:19:20

No, they've tagged, they've they've been on a team with each other before. They've never like won titles or anything.

SPEAKER_05 1:19:27

Yeah, yeah, okay.

SPEAKER_01 1:19:28

Yeah, it was a one-off, but I'm still I'm I'm I'm using it as a loophole.

SPEAKER_05 1:19:33

I'm putting it in. Whoa, I would actually actually it was a brief, it was a brief tag team early 2005. Yeah, okay. 2005. They didn't have a lot of time.

SPEAKER_03 1:19:41

That's where they get a good image of Rey Mysterio in his uh Yeah, doing the yeah, and the car. Both of them in the car.

SPEAKER_05 1:19:47

No, no, no. I take it back. They actually won the tag team titles no way out 2005. So let me shut the fuck up.

SPEAKER_01 1:19:55

We'll look at that. Okay, well, the last but not uh the last one on the Mount Rushmore is probably going to have to be John Cena. I've just gotta and and it's not because of his amazing, uh amazing wrestling ability, it's not because of him as a person, it's because he has perfected the art of of making a career and make a entertaining career and a a meaningful career over doing the simplest, easiest, childlike wrestling matches that you could ever you could ever see. Same five moves for the past 20 years. I mean, I love John Cena, and he is our he has perfected money over madness in wrestling. He gets paid the same amount as a guy going out there and having a 30-minute banger with blood and everything else, and goes out there, hits five moves, shakes a couple kids' hands, you know, high-fives a couple and hits the hits the door.

SPEAKER_05 1:21:11

You know, you're the first person that could say that because everybody else, especially we have one person on here who was just like, man, seeing as five moves of doom is trash or whatever.

SPEAKER_01 1:21:20

Oh no, no, I'm not saying they're not, I'm not saying they're not over and ridiculous, because a lot of them that you have somebody the match before do like a super power bomb off the top broke and you know, all this and dies almost, then John Cena hits them with a five-knuckle shuffle and they're dead. I mean, the moves are ridiculous, but I'm saying as an entertainer, as a as a person who could put asses in seats and build a crowd and do all that and still and almost do no work and do that. He has perfected the art of less is more and drawing a crowd, and they know what you're going to do. They know what they expect. I'm just saying, it's it's beautiful, and and you gotta put him on there strictly because there's nothing that he has done that you can't learn from. Period.

SPEAKER_05 1:22:14

I appreciate you giving me that, and I feel bad because he's gonna be a part of this, by the way. So uh going back into the list, uh, we have Edge, Rey Mysterio, and Brock.

SPEAKER_00 1:22:31

Brock's out, bumping Ray, booking Edge. Easy. Easy.

SPEAKER_01 1:22:38

Damn, bro. Yeah. Brock ain't never done it for me. Even with Paul Heyman, he ain't never done it for me. You realize how many big, strong, he-man, gorilla, you know, big, big, strong, crazy dudes there are out there. There every company has one. Every company has one. They all have a Brock Lesnar.

SPEAKER_05 1:22:59

Everyone does, and in the fact that he didn't start actually cutting promos until his second run. Because his first set of promos were just not that great, and it took him a long time, which is every wrestler, it takes time. But you are right.

SPEAKER_01 1:23:15

It takes there's everybody has it takes time, but over time, it takes effort, it takes passion, it takes pride to cut a promo in gimmick, in character, and get it over to a fan. Now, Brock Lesnar was doing it because that's what the paycheck said do. Not because he loved wrestling. Not because he was a wrestler. If he was a wrestler and loved what he was doing, then there would be no reason he couldn't cut a killer promo, regardless of how new he was. Yeah, it may not sound great. He may need to fix it a little bit, but the fact is it would still it would still sound full of passion, and that is what would draw a fan more than anything.

SPEAKER_05 1:23:53

Well, now this last one I think would be uh able to capsate everything we've talked about, which I feel bad for one of them because they're also a big man, but Batista, Randy Orton, and John Cena.

SPEAKER_00 1:24:13

Batista's out bumping Randy, booking John. Yeah, kind of figure.

SPEAKER_05 1:24:18

Now that you brought it up.

SPEAKER_01 1:24:20

I like Batista. I do, but because of his size, just like Brock Lesnar, when you have somebody who is their entire persona, ego, personality, and everything is built on their size. You can't tell them anything because they're bigger, stronger, this, that, and the third. I'm done with that. As a promoter, that will not happen in my locker room. I don't care if you're 20 pounds or if you're 500 pounds or you could bench this whole building. I don't give two shits. The fact is, is you're on the same card as that dude over there. I won't have attitude or negativity or trauma in my locker room. Period.

SPEAKER_05 1:24:59

Respect. Creating a positive workspace is what it sounds like you're all about. Absolutely. Okay.

SPEAKER_01 1:25:05

I don't deal with it in my regular life. I don't deal with it in my regular life, let alone in something that I've invested money into. Especially that. Especially that. My family and my money are the two things you don't mess with, period.

SPEAKER_05 1:25:20

Cheated. As anybody in wrestling can agree with that. Fuck yes. So uh now I want to say thank you so much for answering my questions for that. But we are now in a special round, round, round, round, where we're actually gonna throw you a new special stipulation.

SPEAKER_03 1:25:38

This man hit the sound effect.

SPEAKER_05 1:25:40

Okay. Okay. We're gonna hit you with the new stipulation where before it was book, bump, or bury. But now we're adding cut. Where you gave me or you gave us your Mount Rushmore earlier, and now with that Mount Rushmore, I need you to be able to book, bump, bury, and cut the following four Dusty Road, Sir Steven Regal, Eddie and Ray, and John Cena. Who are you book, bump, burying, and cutting from the roster?

SPEAKER_01 1:26:17

BBBC. Let's see. Okay, here we go. Here we go.

SPEAKER_00 1:26:20

This is what's gonna happen. Okay, so you got Dusty.

SPEAKER_01 1:26:29

I am booking uh I'm I'm booking Dusty, bumping Sir Regal, burying Eddie and Ray, and cutting John Cena. And the only reason I say that, and then let me go ahead and do explain the first two can give me everything that I need to put on a killer show. Period. That's it. You got the wrestling ability and everything that it entails from Sir William Regal, and you got the entertainment side of things and everything that it entails from Dusty Rhodes. What else do I need to put on a killer show and make some money?

SPEAKER_05 1:27:09

Back and forth between a Dusty Rhodes and a John Cena promo. Oh yeah, now that'd be crazy.

SPEAKER_01 1:27:16

Now, all of them have their own great things about them and could do anything they really wanted to. But the fact is, is if I just had to, and based on what they could bring to the table to make the show great, make the money great, inspire and teach the younger talent in the back that don't have those kind of mentors, Dusty and William R uh William Regal, just being under their umbrella, their learning tree, is is a price that you can't put a number on. You know what I'm saying? So I love the other three Ray, Eddie, and John Cena, but personally, if I wanted my talent to get better. And to make the show better overall, the ones I want them around is Dusty and William Regal.

SPEAKER_05 1:28:07

Sound, I appreciate you so much for giving me all those tough, tough answers. Cause I don't for any talent. When you're put in a position where you have to bury someone, oh, it's tough because all these are your favorites. These are people you looked up to. These are people at one point you probably idolized and maybe even had your own personal dream matches with. So uh definitely want to say appreciate you for also being

Plugs Positivity And Closing Callouts

SPEAKER_05 1:28:30

here. And we want to give a moment where you can plug in yourself and give the audience how how can they follow you, how can they find you, and uh just kind of giving your final thoughts or final words you can give to the audiences.

SPEAKER_01 1:28:45

Right. I'm going to go ahead and plug my social medias. It's Rico Wildly or Ricca Wildly official uh on Facebook, Instagram, YouTube, Snapchat, Twitter, TikTok, you name it. Um I pretty much got it. And uh you can find all of my matches on YouTube. Um I try to keep them as up to date as possible. I do update my resume and my Facebook regularly, almost every day, along with TikTok. But I am going to end this the same way I end my podcast every day, and it is always remember to push for positivity. Always make the most of each and every day. If you get a chance to make change, make that change, because there's so many people out there that will never get the chance to make the changes you get to make today. If you see somebody going through some troubles, be that shoulder to lean on, be that ear to listen. You do not have to fix their problems, just let them know that you're there for them if they need you. And one day, when you're going through your own troubling times, as we all do because we're human and that's life, somebody will be there to be that shoulder and that ear for you to help you do what you got going on. So pay that positivity.

SPEAKER_03 1:29:51

It has been it's been fantastic to have you here. And I have to say, and this is for anybody that comes through the podcast, once you've been a guest on the BBOD podcast, moving forward, you family, you know where the fridge is. Come appreciate it, kick it, hang out. Just don't touch my but banana pudding. That's all I'm asking. You know what I'm saying? Or his liquor. Or his liquor. Or or my liquor. I mean, I mean, I'll share the liquor with you, but you gotta let me know first. But don't mess with the pudding. Yeah, don't mess with the pudding.

SPEAKER_01 1:30:24

I appreciate y'all, man, having me on for real, though.

SPEAKER_05 1:30:27

Absolutely. Appreciate you having you here. And honestly, for our audience, guys, if you enjoyed the interview, please comment below some of your highlights, some of the moments that you truly enjoyed. And if you haven't yet, please be sure to show slam the like button, tombstone subscribe button, because we're here every week with new content and new interviews, particularly with local, if not global, talent like Ricca here. And from the Big Brothers of Destruction podcast. Remember, as always, the ring is sacred, the questions are real, and the destruction is guaranteed.

SPEAKER_03 1:30:59

And this is coming from Sugoy the Monster and your boy, Swag Switch in the building. And the Barker of the Bazaar, Ricca Wildley.

SPEAKER_05 1:31:12

Until next time, guys, have a good one.