The Sanctuary: Walking With God Season 2 Episode 7 – Why Did God Create Man?

The Sanctuary: Walking With God Season 2 Episode 7 – Why Did God Create Man?

Welcome to Season 2, Episode 7 of The Sanctuary: Walking With God! In this episode, theologian Dan Robb and scientist Mark Wadsworth explore the reasons behind God’s creation of mankind. Was it truly a wise choice, or did God perhaps make a misstep?

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SPEAKER_00 0:00

What I remember hearing growing up, you know, when people would talk, Bible teachers would talk, they would say, Oh, and our new bodies, we'll be like, um, we'll be like the angels, you know. And they use they go to that example, and I'm like, I always remember being troubled by that because I thought, didn't they rebel? Welcome to the Sanctuary. It's a podcast about walking with God. I'm Dan Robb, I'm the theologian, and this guy, what were were you the globemaster with uh all of these globes on on your shirt here? It's Dr. Science. It's Dr. Science, yes. Not Mr. Science, Dr. Science.

SPEAKER_01 0:50

I changed my name to Doctor.

SPEAKER_00 0:51

No, okay. Among many other aliases, uh. None of which I can legally say, but uh Dr. Evil Science. Right. Gosh. Well, anywho, uh Jeez, now you've made me drop the line, and we're not gonna stop because this is all done live. But I Yes, thank you, Mark. All right. Yes. If you have a question, a comment, a query, a conundrum, Murray Wagmar, and you know what those are, please drop us a line or an email at uh contact at sanctuarybb.org. Or you can uh watch us on Rumble, check us out. Or you can also look at our Facebook page where I like to post pictures of Mark where he doesn't know that I'm taking a picture.

SPEAKER_01 1:40

So you can look at the Facebook page and then run and scream and say, no!

SPEAKER_00 1:43

Pretty much you can run to the eyes. Never use my eyes again. I'm sorry that I did that.

SPEAKER_01 1:48

I'm so sorry I did that.

SPEAKER_00 1:52

Yeah, you can you can do that if you want. Uh recommended. Not recommended here. No. Well, anyways, uh we uh we were doing a series uh the last couple of weeks we talked about uh Sodom Gomorrah, then last week we talked a little bit more about the giants and the tribes and what led up to uh what I believe the reason why Sodom Gomorrah got destroyed. Uh, if you want to know more about that, please listen to that episode. You'll you'll find us going to Genesis 14, looking at all the giant tribes there.

SPEAKER_01 2:24

Dan's got a lot to say about that.

SPEAKER_00 2:28

If you want to if you want to listen or watch me struggle with names, uh that is the episode for you. You can sit back and go, my life is great. I'm not that guy struggling trying to enunciate.

SPEAKER_01 2:42

The 14-syllable proper names. King Haba Baba Wagao.

SPEAKER_00 2:48

I could have gotten that one. Uh that there there was a lot in there. I'm sure there, yeah. Anyways.

SPEAKER_01 2:56

I should have created a random number, random voice generator thing, and you just press the button and it would just string a bunch of syllables together. That would have been more fun. Kind of like the thing that Babylon Bee has. Okay. Right. You go on there and it's like it generates prayers for you, and you're like that's where we get our ideas from the Babylon Bee.

SPEAKER_00 3:18

So there you go. We are stealing, we're just stealing those things.

SPEAKER_01 3:22

We are like all good will-to-be theologians. Yeah. Steal only from the best.

SPEAKER_00 3:27

We steal only from the best. And sometimes from the worst. Yeah, sometimes from the worst, for sure. Yeah, definitely. Well, I said I stated last episode at the end, like it seemed like one of the things we needed to talk about again, or or at least rehash it, is why did God create man? You know, why what what was what's God's purpose in doing that? And uh in order to look at that, I wanted us to kind of look at some scripture passages that talk about God creating the angels, and then we'll look at Genesis chapter 3, and uh we'll go from there. But uh one of the first ones we have here is Job 38, verse 4 through 7. It's in the New King James. He's talking to Job, and you know, Job's got questions for him, and he's just says to Job, Where were you when I laid the foundations of the earth? Tell me, if you have understanding, who determines its measurements? Surely you know, or who stretched out the line upon it? To what were its foundations fastened? Or who laid its cornerstone? When the morning stars sang together, and the sons of God shouted for joy. Hmm, well see, the last verse is the one that gets you because when the morning stars, talking about divine beings, were sang together, and the sons of God shouted for joy. That's the New King James Version. I'm sure you have something different in the New Living Translation that you like to I I hadn't looked it up.

SPEAKER_01 5:04

You haven't looked it up.

SPEAKER_00 5:06

Are we already too quick for you?

SPEAKER_01 5:07

No, I just I was just going with the flow here. So let's see what uh what verse is verse seven, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 5:12

Verse seven. Yeah, tell me.

SPEAKER_01 5:14

As the morning stars sang together.

SPEAKER_00 5:16

Oh, it's got morning stars too, okay.

SPEAKER_01 5:18

And all the angels for joys. And the footnote says Hebrew, the sons of God.

SPEAKER_00 5:24

Yep, it does. So for our purposes, just you know, if you haven't, I think we did an episode on angels somewhere, sometime in a galaxy far, far away. Maybe it was over the river and through the woods to grandma's house. But we talked about it there. Angel is like a generic, it's a low level. And in fact, in the Greek, angel just simply means messenger. Correct. It's a job description, essentially. So we oftentimes we just want to call all the divine beings angels and slap that moniker on them. And I'm sure some of the angels are probably like, no, that's that's not what I do.

SPEAKER_01 6:04

I'm I'm not a uh DoorDash guy.

SPEAKER_00 6:08

Yeah, exactly.

SPEAKER_01 6:08

Yeah, angels are kind of like DoorDash guys, you know, they're out there serving man.

SPEAKER_00 6:13

Yeah, you're good. There's gonna be a long line of angels who've got to bone with the pick with you and be slapping me around. Yeah, there you go.

SPEAKER_01 6:19

Yep.

SPEAKER_00 6:19

He said it, not me this time.

SPEAKER_01 6:21

I've got great respect for DoorDash people.

SPEAKER_00 6:23

There you go.

SPEAKER_01 6:23

I mean, they go they go to places and it's like they have no idea what kind of nutcases they're gonna do. That's true.

SPEAKER_00 6:30

That's true. Uh you know. Yep. They don't know if someone's gonna open the door with a knife. Or worse. Yeah. That's sorry. I was dismembering some people. I built up an appetite. Uh sorry. Okay. I don't know how to transition from that. Uh I really don't. I'm sure Rosie O'Donnell wants to know what Nehemiah chapter 9, verse 6 says in the New King James. That's right. Sure, there you go. Right. Uh you alone are the Lord. You have made heaven, the heaven of heavens, with all their host. Uh, the earth and everything on it, the sea and all that is in it, you preserve the uh preserve, yeah, you preserve them all. Uh the host of heaven worships you. So there you have host of heaven. So you have sort of a conglomerate or a whole bunch of divine beings. Then in Colossians chapter one, verse sixteen, uh, it says here, for by him Him being Jesus, Him being Jesus, thank you, all things were created that are in heaven and that are on earth, visible and invisible. Whether thrones or dominions or principalities or powers, all things were created through him and for him. So right there's a lot of a lot of stuff there.

SPEAKER_01 7:57

And it's uh Paul goes on to talk about how Jesus is the cosmic glue that holds everything together.

SPEAKER_00 8:03

He is. He is the cosmic glue. Yeah. I like that. I'm gonna steal it. So both visible and invisible. You know, we only think about the world that we see, but there is obviously, you know, um i it it's a it's a supernatural world. Just like when Daniel in chapter nine was praying for an answer and Michael's trying to get to him, but he's delayed 21 days because of it because of a supernatural war that was going on.

SPEAKER_01 8:31

I thought he was playing Prince of Persia.

SPEAKER_00 8:34

Yeah. Yeah, something like that. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 8:37

Well, you know, as a notred scientist, I have to take offense at the fact that you're implying that there might be spiritual things because if you can't smell it, see it, hear it, taste it, or punch it, it doesn't exist, right?

SPEAKER_00 8:50

Yeah, you tell me how evolution's going. Yeah, that's uh that's uh you just you just explain that one to me, and I'll be all ears here.

SPEAKER_01 9:02

I'm a noted Oxford evolutionary biologist. Tell me one thing that I've ever said that can't be proven.

SPEAKER_00 9:13

How about evolution? Oh, okay. There it is. All right. Dang. Dang it. I know you're doing an episode of something I have. Yes, I am. Yes, I am. Lutheran satire. Lutheran satire. That's awesome. All right, then we skip over to Ezekiel chapter 28, verse 13, 14, and 15. And uh it's kind of interesting because he's talking about the King of Tyre, and then there's a sort of a switch there. And you pick up these key words here in verse 13. You were in Eden, the Garden of God. King at Tyre's probably thinking, hmm, was I? No, I wasn't there. No, he was not there. Uh we'll we'll go to Genesis uh three here in a minute, but uh he's like, You were in Eden in the Garden of God. Every precious stone was your covering. The Sardis, the topaz, and diamond, beryl, onyx, and jasper. Oh my. Sapphire, turquoise, and emerald with gold. The workmanship of your timbrels and pipes was prepared for you on that on the day you were created. By the way, this is obvious this is talking about whoever is Satan, or that uh that original, that rebel, if you will. Um I have heard this passage preached against uh rock and or roll music. Well, yes. Both kinds of music, right? All kinds, yes. And uh I'm I'm always I'm always fascinated, and they're like, see, it's the music of the devil, and there it is. And I'm like, alright, I I guess timbrel's gonna be the drums, right? And uh I don't know what you want to do with the pipes, but maybe maybe now I have a bone to pick with all the Scottish uh bagpipes, right?

SPEAKER_01 11:07

Yeah, it could be. It could be.

SPEAKER_00 11:09

Yeah, there you go.

SPEAKER_01 11:09

That's I'm just trying to f to cross-reference this. Mm-hmm. In verse 13, it's very interesting because uh uh the the New Living Testament doesn't have that line in it. Really? No, about the pipes and temporals. It goes through all of the lions and tigers and red carnelion and all that stuff. Yeah, it does. This is all beautifully crafted for you and set in the finest gold. They were given to you on the day you were created. Period.

SPEAKER_00 11:38

Anti-sting.

SPEAKER_01 11:39

So that was the anti-rock and roll translation.

SPEAKER_00 11:42

That must have been uh I'm in an anti-rock and roll translation. You can't have those timbrels, buddy. You can't have those timbrels. We've got to calm it down on the timbrels.

SPEAKER_01 11:50

That's what I'm gonna get out my fruit inspector's card.

SPEAKER_00 11:53

Yes. So now you at home can or driving, can you can take this to your music director at your church and go, see, you need to stop all this uh No more drums! You need to stop this tomfoolery.

SPEAKER_01 12:08

Just Timbralism.

SPEAKER_00 12:09

Yeah, I I'm gonna I I really want to get sidetracked, but I'm not going to. Yes. Yeah, okay. Verse 14th, yes, for everybody's sake. All right. You were the anointed cherub who covers. I established you. So right there, now he's really made if he weren't sure before, now he has definitely cleared the deck and gone, yeah, whoever was in the Garden of Eden, whoever is this great antagonist, they were a cherub.

SPEAKER_01 12:36

So I like the way the NLT translates it.

SPEAKER_00 12:40

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 12:40

Verse 14 I ordained and anointed you as the mighty angelic guardian.

SPEAKER_00 12:45

Ooh, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 12:46

That kind of tells you what his job was. Yeah, it does. He was like in charge of the you know, making sure that the throne was safe.

SPEAKER_00 12:52

Yes, he was. And then it goes on here. It says, You were on the holy mountain of God. You walked back and forth in the midst of fiery stones. So that that little line there, that's the one that I believe the late great Dr. Frutenbaum talked about uh in his book, The Footstep, The Footprints of the Messiah, Footsteps of the Messiah.

SPEAKER_01 13:15

That's one of the other.

SPEAKER_00 13:16

One of the other there. There's some feet involved. And he talks about where Satan was, and I'm going to use that as just because that's you can call him the devil, but um that moniker for him, you know, he's there, and and it gives this idea that there was that the earth was there, and this is before God created man. And um he he talks an awful lot about that. If you if you want a reference, definitely check out that book. It's it's a good, I mean, it'll it'll fill your time, that's for sure. And he goes into great detail on a lot of things. Uh okay, you were perfect, uh, verse 15 here. You were perfect in in your ways from the day you were created till iniquity was found in you. Verse 16, the abundance of your trading, you became filled with violence within, and you sinned. Therefore I cast you as a profane thing out of the mountain of God, and I destroyed you, O covering cherub, from the midst of the firings fiery stones.

SPEAKER_01 14:18

So that's an interesting line, verse sixteen. And L T says, Your rich commerce led you to violence. Mm-hmm. What are they what kind of business are they conducting in heaven, you wonder?

SPEAKER_00 14:32

Yes, you do have to wonder that. And I think it's interesting because you you read Revelation 17 and 18, and it talks about Babylon, and they're gonna be known for their trading.

SPEAKER_01 14:43

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 14:44

And that's not uh that's not an accident. That's there there is something going on that's related to all of that. So um yeah, it's it's something to look into. I will make a note of that. I will not fix that in post. See, that's a question that I have to now look up. But I'm not gonna do it because we're doing this live.

SPEAKER_01 15:03

Well, I'm doing my job.

SPEAKER_00 15:04

You are doing your job.

SPEAKER_01 15:06

Poking the dance.

SPEAKER_00 15:07

You are poking, yes, you are. Genesis chapter three. This is where we first see the serpent here. So all right. Um, so the serpent comes to Eve. He's like, I got some apples half price. And uh Eve's like, uh, oh, what are they? Those look good too.

SPEAKER_01 15:30

And uh he gives her that's quite the pair you have there, too. And uh it is.

SPEAKER_00 15:35

That's okay. Sorry. There you go. All right. Thank you, ladies and germs. All right. Just fluent. No, alright, I'm gonna skip that joke. All right. Verse 14, so the Lord said to the serpent, Because you have done this, you are cursed from all what is it here? You're cursed from you're cursed more than all cattle, and more than every beast of the field. On your belly you shall go, and you shall eat dust all the days of your life. It's a great uh verse that I think quite often gets misinterpreted because people will read that verse and they'll think they're thinking already agricultural and snakes, and you know, you get people saying, Oh, there's something in the when I x-rayed this snake, it looks like it had arms at one point, you know, and you go down all these crazy rabbit holes, especially when you turn on YouTube. And I think it's one of the before we get to verse 15, I think it's worth noting here is the work of Dr. Michael Heiser. And the Hebrew word for snake, serpent that's used there is Nikosh. And I miss basically just to leave it at snake, misses the ancient Near Eastern context of what this word actually means. It's a triple entendre, uh, usually translated as serpent, but it also means to deceive, practice divination, divine knowledge. Um, it can also relate to shining one or bronze and brazen.

SPEAKER_01 17:10

Shiny one.

SPEAKER_00 17:12

Yes, it can. Yeah. That sounds familiar since we were just in Ezekiel, because you know, he's called Lucifer. Is it Ezekiel? He's called Lucifer, or is it Isaiah? That's one of the others. It's one of the others. That's one of the prophets there.

unknown 17:25

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 17:26

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 17:27

Oh, that's interesting. And you know, I I'm sure that other people have thought about this too, and you probably heard it and all that. It's a really interesting question, you know. Why didn't Eve get concerned about the fact that a snake was talking to her? It was like an everyday occurrence, you know, the snake comes and says, Hey, how you doing today? Or you know, what do the do the cows talk to you too? I mean, I'm I'm serious. Why, you know, you'd think that if it were just a snake, that somebody would not be real pleased.

SPEAKER_00 18:03

No, that's a great question because I've wondered the same thing. I remember I I want to say it was Ken Ham, you know, or uh, you know, he does the Creation Institute, and uh I believe that he it is him that has said that had said that, you know, oh well that was before the fall and animals could talk, and this was sort of a normal thing.

SPEAKER_01 18:23

And wasn't there a book, uh, what was his name? The guy that was the missionary that decided not to be a missionary anymore, and he started being a pastor down in Houston or something.

SPEAKER_00 18:33

Uh oh, yeah, I know who you're talking about.

SPEAKER_01 18:36

He wrote a book like, you know, The Night the Animals Talked or something like that.

SPEAKER_00 18:39

Yeah. Yeah, Max Lakato. Max Lakato. Yeah, there you there you go. Yep. Yep, yep. And uh so for I what was the other thing I heard that uh okay, the the for the fall the animals could talk, or Eve was just created and they hadn't really interacted with the animals yet, so the an you know that's the reason why she didn't know that they were supposed to talk. They were supposed to talk. I mean you can go down all these things, and you know, some of them sure, I mean, I guess, you know, but I I kind of come back to what Heiser's talking about here, and that is he's insinuating that this isn't just a a snake, but it is some type of serpentine divine being that's there because they're in the Garden of Eden, the mountain of God. They're they're in his place. And we just read in Ezekiel 28 how the cherub, the anointed one, gets kicked out. Now, is this the same guy? Is this say is this Satan? And that's the question that I don't have an exact answer for. Whoever this Nakash, this being is. Well, I can take a shot at that. Can you take a shot, please?

SPEAKER_01 19:53

I think he is a Satan, but not necessarily the Satan that exists today. Yes. I think it's a job title, personally. Um I think that there might have been more than one of these guys throughout our history that's vied for the title.

SPEAKER_00 20:16

I would wholeheartedly agree with you because that's that is that is my take as well. And that is there's something going on here and he is obviously he makes this first step, whoever he is. I don't know if he is part of that uh that Genesis six group that got punished and is in Tartarus. Maybe, maybe not. Um you know, we we find out in Job chapter one, you know, that's the famous passage where you know, thus Satan comes, you know, and talks. We did an episode uh more than a year ago. A couple of years ago.

SPEAKER_01 20:53

A couple of years ago, talking about that and how you don't you don't use you know the in front of well I do when I talk about the Dan.

SPEAKER_00 21:02

Yeah, okay.

SPEAKER_01 21:02

Because there's only one guy there, so I talk about the Dan. Yeah. But you know, you you go back in the Old Testament, and every time you see that it's Hasatan, which is the adversary, the adversary. You get to the New Testament, that's not there anymore. Jesus refers to Satan without the definite article in front, indicating that it's a proper name.

SPEAKER_00 21:24

Yeah, he refers to in Matthew 12 as Bielzi Bub. He's connecting Baal, Prince of Baal. He's connecting Baal to that, and you sort of get into a lot of uh religions and mythologies like uh Greek and Roman, you know, Zeus. You know, it's I mean you can follow the work of somebody like Derek Gilbert, who's goes through and traces the you know, the names, you know, of all these gods, and he says, Well, Baal and Zeus are one and the same. And so it it's it's an interesting kind of rabbit hole to kind of go down and go. Hmm, that's really it's it's fascinating how all of that. So Heiser goes on here. He says uh his this whole idea of him crawling on his belly, uh it's lost its original context status and was uh basically put beneath human and divine world as Lord of the Dead. Oh which would would be fitting a Baal or Baal, however people say it there. Uh God declares perpetual war between the seed of the serpent and the seed of the woman. And Hiser links the judgment to overarching theme over yeah, overarching theme of the Bible, the eventual crushing of the spiritual adversary's head by Jesus Eve's offspring. So, and what he's basically reading there, or saying there is Genesis 3.15, which is I will put enmity between you and the woman, talking to the serpent, and between you, uh, and between your seed and her seed. He shall bruise your head, and you shall bruise his heel.

SPEAKER_01 23:04

Just so there's no no question, enmity is not a word that we use a lot these days. No. It just means hostility.

SPEAKER_00 23:12

Yes, it does. Yes, it does. Um a fun fact, if you really want to go further down into this rabbit hole talking about seeds and all of those things, you can. Um, this is where people get caught up in the line of Cain seed, and they follow that, and you as you trace it down, you go, huh, there's a Enoch, or you know, in Cain's line, there's this godly Enoch, you know, here in Genesis 4, who's the I guess the forefather of Methuselah, I want to say. Yeah, so you know, you go through that and the Bible kind of talks about these seeds and what they produce. So whether you want to take it to that extreme, like someone like Gary Wayne does, which I read him, it's interesting. Um it's interesting. He brings up a lot of good points. However, though, uh, you don't want to get too lost or too lost down the rabbit trails, if you will, and in your walk with God. But this brings up my question here is why did God create man? And, you know, God had a heavenly family, God wanted an earthly family. So that's a simple, that's the that's the answer that Heiser would give you if you read his book, What Does God Want? Um He basically outlines that and just says, he had this and he wanted, you know, earth was supposed to be a reflection of what's up there. So in that case, you know, I'm fine with that, and I think that's a great reason for why God, you know, because God, Jesus, I believe it was Jesus, a pre-incarnate Christ, that was walking in in the garden uh in the cool of the day, as was his custom to do, and to fellowship with man whom he had created. And I'm sure it doesn't give us that in the biblical text, but if you're Adam and just put there, you're thinking to yourself, I don't know anything, you know. And I'm sure God, I'm sure Jesus was teaching him what he needed to do, because he was going to be an aggregate, you know, he was gonna go out there and farm. He didn't know how the first thing probably had to do that. And God was like, All right, you don't want to do that, but you do want to do this. You don't want to eat those little berries because that'll kill you. And you do you want to you want to eat this over here.

SPEAKER_01 25:36

So all that and then explain he who plants kale will be destroyed.

SPEAKER_00 25:40

Right, right. Yeah, it tastes like pesticide, let me tell you. That's it's there for a reason. Don't don't eat the kale. You heard it here first. We do not endorse kale on this podcast. No, no, we don't. Um, but any anyways, I I just kind of look at that and I go, okay, there's that. And then there's the this I first heard this from Bob Theme, who was an old Dallas seminary guy. He was long since gone home to the Lord. Um, but he talks about the angelic conflict, and in his view, that is the reason why man was created, because of this conflict that was going on. And if that is indeed the case, that is why you have this divine rebel that's there in Genesis 3. Uh, because that whole war or whatever it is had already started.

SPEAKER_01 26:32

You kind of go back in you know a step. It's like we believe that God gives us free will. I believe that God gave his first family free will too. Yep. And just like his second family, humans, the first family decided that they were gonna misuse that.

unknown 26:49

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 26:50

And then God created, kind of like what Theme says, God created man to show the first family and man how he was gonna fix it.

SPEAKER_00 26:59

I believe that, yeah, absolutely. And um I think it's interesting because what I remember hearing growing up, you know, when people would talk, Bible teachers would talk, they would say, Oh, and our new bodies, we'll be like um we'll be like the angels, you know. And they use they go to that example, and I'm like, I always remember being troubled by that because I thought, didn't they rebel? Or some of them, some of them rebelled. And I'm like, I I hope my body, I hope I have more sense than that.

SPEAKER_01 27:31

I think Paul said that we're that our bodies are gonna be like Jesus.

SPEAKER_00 27:35

Right.

SPEAKER_01 27:35

And if you think about the stuff that he did when he came back, well, the stuff that he did before, before he died was resurrected was pretty amazing. Walking on water and you know, that kind of stuff. But afterwards, you know, he can walk through walls and he can sit and eat. Yeah, you know, and cook breakfast for them on the on the beach, you know. So it's like you got the best of both worlds there. Yeah, absolutely. So something to think about here, I know we we're running out of time, but um, if if you want to come at it from a you know scientific point of view, which is probably never a really good idea, but we're gonna do it anyway. If you look at what the universe is, the universe is this bubble. You know, God created the heavens and the earth out of something else. Well, actually out of nothing else. I mean, that's but you know, by his word he spoke it and the universe was formed. The universe contains matter. By the universe, I mean the stuff the the area that we're can that we're contained in, not the area that God is in, right? That's your two different things. Even though God permeates this universe, he's also everywhere, and our little human brains can't concept, can't can't deal with the concept of nothing that ends. So all you can do is just pretend you understand that. You don't. But inside this universe, there's matter. We're made out of matter, right? Spiritual beings spirit is not. Spirit is something else. Spirit is, you know, you can you can think of it as you know, electromagnetic radiation or energy or however you want to look at it, but matter is not involved. The reason I say that is matter once you have matter, you have to have time. The two things are completely inseparable. Outside of the universe, where there is no matter, timing doesn't mean anything. There is no such thing as time. So I kind of look at this as, you know, again, this is a really bad analogy, and somebody's gonna write in and say, now you're an idiot and don't talk anymore. But it's like Douglas Adams, you know, uh uh So Long and Thanks for All the Fish and the Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy where the Earth was, this giant experiment. It was a it was a computer that was designed to solve the question of the ultimate question of life, the universe, and everything. Well, in reality, I think that's what the universe is. You know, it's God's way of demonstrating to his first family who are completely outside of this, if they want to be, but they can join in in the matter universe too, just like God can. It's God's way of saying, okay, watch what's going on in this bubble and you're gonna learn something.

unknown 30:20

Right.

SPEAKER_00 30:21

And I think that's a great way to explain it there. Um, just as you were talking, you know, I didn't want to answer the question because oftentimes people go to Revelation 13, I believe, and they say, Well, didn't a third of the angels fall? And that's talking about something completely different, you know. It's uh it's actually a great um it's a Heiser does a great thing on that and just kind of shows you how you can, I guess, you know, know the um oh gosh, why am I space? I know you know this. Do you know this? Okay. I'm gonna have to go.

SPEAKER_01 30:56

I'm not sure where you're going with it. But well, my my understanding at the third of the angels fall. That that has that has to do with the timeline of the tribulation.

SPEAKER_00 31:06

There you go.

SPEAKER_01 31:07

Not, you know, what happened in pre-Genesis 1 or between Genesis 1 and 2, or whatever your viewpoint is about when when the first family got sideways with God.

SPEAKER_00 31:18

No, it's not Revelation 13, it's Revelation 12. Well, there you go. That's the one. Yeah, it's the woman, the child, and the dragon is where it talks about a third of the heavens.

SPEAKER_01 31:27

And that happens to be actually that happens to be when Jesus is born.

SPEAKER_00 31:31

That's right. Yeah. Yeah, it tells you you can go through, and actually, from all of the astral astral um, you know, I guess, mentions in there, you can actually kind of see through an astrology program.

SPEAKER_01 31:43

It's an astronomy program. You can go and you can cue it up.

SPEAKER_00 31:46

Astronomy, not astrology.

SPEAKER_01 31:47

I wish I could uh wish I could remember the guy's name. It's not Lee Strobelt. He's the he's the lawyer dude or the butt there's another fellow who uh did a video called The Star of Bethlehem. And he goes, it's uh that's like a one-hour video. It's on YouTube, you can download it, I highly recommend it. And he shows you what the night sky looked like during the time of Jesus' birth, before and after. And he also shows you what the night sky looked like some other times, and he ties that in to Revelation 12. And so you can see the dragon that's after the child. Correct. In the sky. Oh, yeah. You know, God put it there in the sky.

SPEAKER_00 32:32

He did. And just to kind of wrap it all up here, you know, with uh what we were talking about here with the third of the angels, you know, the the main thing is that they have a free will just like we have a free will. And uh we oftentimes just think they fell here at this point here in Genesis, or a third of them fell. And the reality is that they they have a choice to worship God or not to worship God. And some of them make the wrong choice, and this this idea kind of gets, you know, we we read the Matthew passage and they're like, oh, we'll be like, you know, Jesus mentioning we'll be like the angels, but he's talking about marriage, you know. We're not gonna be worried about, you know, who liked us on uh match.com anymore or whatever.

SPEAKER_01 33:20

He's talking about carnality.

SPEAKER_00 33:22

He's talking about carnality, yeah, exactly. So well, folks, uh thanks for listening. Please remember to rate, review, and subscribe and smash that like button. And next time I am going to dig into this Apollyon character in Revelation. I know I said I was.

SPEAKER_01 33:40

We're going to Switzerland.

SPEAKER_00 33:41

We're going to Switzerland, you know. We're going to check up on those guys at CERN and see what they're really looking at. No, no, we're not. But we are going to talk about Apollyon. We're going to talk about what the Bible says and that. But please remember we're not saved because we're eternally faithful to the Savior. We're saved because He is eternally faithful to us.