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Ep. 3 When the Bears Sleep In: Early Season Scouting in Montana
Brad from Prey Pursuit joins us to recount our spring bear scouting trip in the Montana mountains where we battled snow conditions and logistical challenges across multiple locations. We share honest reflections on the realities of early season bear hunting while exploring the gear, strategies, and mindset needed for backcountry pursuits.
• Post-holing through snow for 1,600 feet of elevation gain to a glassing spot
• Switching plans multiple times due to unexpectedly high snow levels
• Using mountain bikes (including one youth-sized) to access closed roads
• Setting up a hot tent camp that quickly turned into a smoke chamber
• Discussing bear color preferences and ethical shot selection
• Exploring archery setups and the journey from beginner to experienced bow hunter
• Examining the gear that worked and what needs upgrading
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I run the Shane Gillis on every podcast.
Speaker 2:The one or the two? The one.
Speaker 1:Remember JD from the bow shop. Vaguely the younger guy.
Speaker 2:I was talking to him a bit so.
Speaker 1:JD. I got him to sell his old bow with a hamski on it. Oh nice, for like $1,100.
Speaker 2:Not a bad deal. I negotiated the fuck out of it for him. That's not a bad deal at all.
Speaker 1:Nope, not a bad deal, you're true me.
Speaker 2:Yeah, you can do the intro. It's your bear hunt yeah, do the intro did you already start recording again, of course? I like that, though it makes you more more casual, I know, but it's like a running thing where I have no idea when we're starting and we're going I'm gonna get a button, like she doesn't sit here and we're just gonna push a button and it'll be like I did it he's, he's okay all right, welcome to the hunt swiftly podcast.
Speaker 1:I'm joined today by my co-host, swifty, as well as Brad from Prey Pursuit. This episode we're going to be kind of covering over a bear scout slash attempt at hunt trip that we just went on this past weekend, and so follow along. We got some oh, my sunglasses are still on Sick, I'm wearing the Shane Gillis look today, for sure. But me and Brad went on an endeavor of an early spring bear hunt and we definitely got some more stories out of it. Not successful as to be kind of expected, but we had a good time and we're going to just kind of recap that talk about the gear we used, the equipment we used and just the normal bullshit that comes along with this podcast.
Speaker 2:Sweet.
Speaker 1:Yeah, all right, brad, you want to give a little introduction. Tell everyone what Prey Pursuit is.
Speaker 3:Yeah, so I'm the host of Prey Pursuit, another podcast that I just started as well. Awesome, pretty early on stage still Don't have all this fantasy technology. That's all running right here.
Speaker 1:But yeah, we have a pretty I would say a good setup. What company did you have do our mics? Oh, sweetwater.
Speaker 2:Oh no, these are mic plates. You can see them on this mic.
Speaker 1:the best Give a little love to the new mic plates. We got Getting fancier. We have a little less bare-bones looking studio. Now it's getting there.
Speaker 2:We've got some decorations.
Speaker 1:I'm trying to convince Swit to throw up that mountain goat mountain he has up in his living room.
Speaker 2:It'd look great. We'll see. Put it where the bow is Supposed to be looking at the camera.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I have some taxidermy or euros I can maybe bring. If you want to yeah, yeah, maybe like some antlers or something like that, make it look a little pretty of our own accomplishments.
Speaker 2:While we're talking about it, we're going to this whole wall is going to be this wall is going to be painted black, black, and then a logo is going to be painted in the middle of it Perfect. And then this wall. I can't remember what color it's going to be painted, but it's going to be painted.
Speaker 1:Are you doing that yourself? Fuck me, I'll do it. You want to do it, I'll do it. It's not a bad job. Once you do the prep work, it's easy. I see, that's the part I don't like. Yeah, all you do is just tape up the outlets, get it all good, all nice and pretty. That's a boring part, though.
Speaker 2:Yeah, but I mean, if you just do this, one wall's kind of yeah. But oh yeah, there's a lot of logistics, yeah yeah, we can talk about it.
Speaker 1:Yeah, anyway, brad, sorry about that no, you're all good.
Speaker 3:Um, so really I'm just trying to get into jack country hunting and that's where this bear trip really started was. I was talking with quentin and he said he was planning it for opening weekend Kind of, here in Montana yeah, kind of, but it didn't turn out totally how we planned it, which is totally fine. Still got a lot of good experience and understanding on what's going on in that country.
Speaker 1:Yeah, do you want to give a little background on your hunting background?
Speaker 3:Yeah, I grew up in Wisconsin, so a lot of whitetail hunting, uh, pheasant hunting and then moved out here for college and started dog hunting pretty full-time and now I'm just trying to expand from there and get into big game nice, oh, and you want to talk about some successes you've had in the past yeah, uh, quinn actually helped me get my first mealie two falls ago. So 2023, very nice, very fun. Yeah, good time. It was awesome. So do you guys know each other from school in my first Mule League?
Speaker 2:two falls ago, so 2023. Very nice, very fun. Yeah, good time, it was awesome. So do you guys know each other from school?
Speaker 1:I met him through my ex God and we became buddies. A little complicated past, but we kind of made that connection through her and then, as that faded away, we're like yo, what's hanging out.
Speaker 2:We're still friends. Why not Nice yeah?
Speaker 1:Fuck yeah, so that's a little backstory. Um, cause you want to talk about your career a little bit too.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I'm a full-time welder. I just do all this stuff on the side. I love it, so it's a lot of fun, yeah.
Speaker 1:I've I've been on two episodes of Prey Pursuit with him. He just released episode three today, Part one of the bear hunt Part one of our infield podcast.
Speaker 2:I was going to say I listened to it. I liked how you guys did it.
Speaker 1:as you're moving locations, we have quite a few stories from that. We'll go over today. Welcome, Brad. Thanks for coming. Thanks for spending your time.
Speaker 2:Welcome to the dining room. Yeah, the dining room.
Speaker 3:It's honestly such a great setup. You guys can't see all of it, but it's a lot more than what I got going on.
Speaker 1:We took a little shot of Keytone IQ before starting and getting the mind right. I am drinking Mountain Ops right now Because Swifty only had Mountain Ops and I love my Shake it. Do you have leather and stuff I might?
Speaker 2:I mean I can go break into a freeze-dried not freeze-dried but vacuum-sealed bag that I have for my bear hunt, that I'm coming up on.
Speaker 1:Don't break into your. Me and Brad just went through that process. I literally have been eating vacuum sealed bagels for lunch, still because we didn't break into all the food which we'll get into. But anyway, brad, do you want to start us off? Give us a little rundown.
Speaker 3:So day one we got out there and immediately had to switch to plan b just because of the snow. Yeah, so much snow, didn't want to hike through it and really just no chance to see bears up there, um. So plan b was actually right down the road, kind of around the corner, and um, yeah, it had better potential. A little less snow on the south facing sides, um, but yeah, how much did we hike that day. So we.
Speaker 1:I'll kind of give a more in-depth from my perspective kind of view. So we had been. We did a scouting trip into this one spot the week before. In two weeks before that. We were supposed to get seven degree weather on friday. Yeah, um, that did not happen. We had a big snow system coming on thursday.
Speaker 1:So immediately we had to readjust. We drove up this one road, looked up into this basin and we're like, yeah, no, we have snow shoes but there's nothing gonna be out there. So we drove down the road another few miles to the same mountain range and we hiked up this one valley floor to this hillside, about a mile and a half with about 1,600 feet of climbing, and we started post-hulling probably a half mile in. So if you don't know, mixing snow with a little bit of elevation climbing, no matter the distance, it's going to cook you. It's not fun.
Speaker 1:So we got up to this little bird's nest, little knob ridge, built a fire and literally sat our asses down from 2pm to 8.20pm. Just glass, glass, glass, took a nap, glassing food, all that Saw muleys, saw turkey at 900 yards in the mountains, pretty cool. And we proceeded to then walk down this ridge. We had kind of skirted around on the climb up and look into the. If you think of it, there's two valleys. We spent the day looking to the left valley and then we worked our way down and looked into the right valley the whole way down. So we kind of we didn't see a single thing, not a sign, no signs at all, nothing. And we from there kind of were like okay, we're going to switch mountains. And then the debauches of day two.
Speaker 2:There's always a debauch.
Speaker 1:So our grand plan for day two? There's always a debacle. So our grand plan for day two was okay, let's go to this spot. The roads are closed, there's not going to be anyone out there. The only way you can get there fast is through bikes. So we stole some bikes. No, we scrambled that night, found two bikes. One of them was full-size and normal. One of them was a youth bike, a youth mountain bike. We get there. There's some recreators.
Speaker 1:We talked to a ranch, like a ranch hand kind of thing, just patrolling the roads making sure no one's trespassing that kind of stuff. Talked to him, made sure everything was above board. We heard about this like resident group of grizzlies that they've been seeing. So we're like okay, maybe we won't. Yeah, got down to like 25, 30 pounds in the packs, just day packs out food, insulation, everything you can think of rain gear. Oh, I'm getting out. But we biked like it's a three and a half four mile track, biked like a mile and a half two miles up and we look at the snow level after. Well, I will say a lot of not fun climbing on a kid's bike.
Speaker 3:I had the kid's bike yeah, I was blessed with the adult bike and it helped me out a ton. I was way ahead of them.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I was like struggling behind, like I'm like sucking wind. I'm like bro, I thought I was conditioned, like I trained for this. This is not what I trained for. My quads are on fire, my calves are on fire and we get halfway and we look into this one valley that we were planning on going to and we just see a tree halfway submerged with snow and we're like we have another mile and a half of climbing. Basically, is it worth it? And we looked at that snow level and we said hell, no, no, no. Yeah, we called it leour de Bruin after Latour de France.
Speaker 2:No, what it's, either a Stone Glacier or a Gohunt film called Latour de Bruin.
Speaker 3:There is I'm glad I did some research on that. Yeah, look it up.
Speaker 1:We called it that we obviously aren't making a video about it, because it was not really a thing. I think it's a Gohunt Is is it that might be why it's in my mind, but I was thinking about the tour de france. Let's do some research, make sure we're not stealing it holy shit toward it. We call it le tour de bruin, not of tour for sure difference.
Speaker 2:So.
Speaker 1:So we proceeded to turn around. We're like, okay, this isn't it. We ride all the way back and then we drive up this canyon road and we get to the next spot, which is about like 1? What's up, 15, roughly Higher elevation, but the entire canyon walls all the way there just looked like snow was melting off. There was nothing. Pretty prime, very prime. We have high hopes. We sit in the truck. The movie of choice was the Passion of the Crutch. I've said it before, I'm Jewish, so I'm feeling pretty morally defeated. We had big plans with not a lot of.
Speaker 1:We had big plans, not a lot of fruit of our labor and I made a I made a deal with the universe saying that if we kill a bear tonight in this spot after watching Passions of Christ, maybe I have to become Christian. That did not happen. The world wants me to be for the germs, for the memes, yeah right, but anyway we go, we climb. This road is closed, so all the access up to this road is just closed all the way. And we climb like three miles up cno, curd, c, deer, c, noose tracks, not a single bear. We glassed. We were there till dark. We glassed. We, we were there until dark. We glassed. We worked our way slowly. We were looking on the roads.
Speaker 1:We saw two things assigned the entire trip. One was at this like 30-mile mark where it looked about two weeks old, yeah, like you know, like crumbling gray. And then on our way back we saw some fresher sign, like within the day, and that's it. So we proceeded to be like okay, there's a rainstorm coming in, there's a snow, like predicted, let's move to a different spot. So we moved to this other mountain range, camped up there, got the hot tent all set up, got the pizza torrid, all going. We had wet wood, so we're getting fucking smoked out in the middle of the night. We're like. I'm like, bro, you have to open the tent. The tent, oh my god, we're getting smoked out my entire like. Everything smells like like wet campfire. Yeah, it's bad, like my whole house, right like everything smells like wet campfire.
Speaker 3:Yeah, it's bad. My whole house right now, my apartment just smells like camp.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's pretty bad. I've washed my clothing and then I put everything else in the stuff sacks because I'm like there's no reason not to. We proceed to have a decent night of sleep, minus a few coyotes and drunk teenagers parting their asses off till 5 in the morning. So we sleep, do a little pod in the tent, wake up in the morning, look at the snow levels and we're like, fuck this. And we're like, okay, we'll go out to this next spot tonight. We go home, I hit the bed. I'm like yo, I'll go out to this next spot tonight. We go home, I hit the bed. I'm like yo, I'm not.
Speaker 3:Yeah, it's pretty game over once. The second we hit a nice soft bed.
Speaker 1:That's your mistake. Game over, absolutely game over. And we kind of went and Brad was going to go and go out by himself because I was like yo, I'm sore, I have my friend over, I'm trying to sleep and it's Easter. It's Easter, I wanted to go get. I had an invitation to go get a steak dinner and meet a brain puppy, nice. So I was like I want to go bear hunt. This weekend has not been a great weekend for bear hunting. I'm going to go meet a brand new little baby lab and he didn't steak. So I was like good luck, brad takes a nap, wakes up at what time?
Speaker 3:like 7 pm. Yeah, it's like going down. I'm like well missed that chance, but and that concludes the bear hunt.
Speaker 1:So we are calling it more of a bear scout. Sure, yeah, we just took the rifles for a walk. We did do some actual hunting. Didn't see anything kind of to be expected with the snow, um, but I have a. Like I said before, I have a hunt by anime. I'm gonna go using that intel kind of oh thanks, jesse buddy, looking my phone, getting after it some puppy love, puppy love and just pressing his nose, hey, buddy. But we kind of use as intel, kind of looking at snow levels, we hunted good areas, like we found wildflowers, we found berries, we found everything you would want in a bear spot. Just no bears, just no bears, just no. It's just the most important part. The most important part, yeah.
Speaker 1:So we were kind of thinking we had this like we had this like back and forth conversation the entire time. We're like we're either bad hunters very much could be the case or the bears are just not moving and they're still sleeping. Yeah, which with this cold snap, I wouldn't be surprised. It's early april. There just was like a foot of snow. It's gonna snow again. They're not really moving around and we kind of looked at the montana local social medias like one bear had been posted. Yeah, someone killing a bear. So it's like and you know, I did a little digging, a little snooping, I'm like all right, this guy's faced out of like missou, missoula.
Speaker 2:I was going to say. I'm pretty sure it's like north-central Montana where that bear is still.
Speaker 1:So I did a little sneak and I'm like, okay, if it's the bear I'm thinking about, you know what I'm talking about. I'm not going to dive into details, but I was like, okay, it doesn't seem like anyone. I heard someone killed a bear in the Bridgers on Tuesday but it was 65 degrees sunny and it had snowed in like two weeks. Thursday hits, shit hits, shit hits, yeah. So that's kind of like a general recap. Any important points you want to kind of add in on that Brad?
Speaker 3:I mean you covered the majority of it. I just love the experience honestly. The bike ride, even though it was all uphill for two miles.
Speaker 1:Yes, still a fun experience.
Speaker 3:Yeah yeah, we traded bikes for the last like 20 yards uphill and I just quit right there. I'm like no, this isn't worth it.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I had to huff it up like two miles at that point and I'm like, hey, let's switch for a bit and I go up this little hill. I'm like, oh, okay, I'm feeling good now and Brad looks at me and he's like, yeah, it's not happening. So that was the kind of overview of our spring bear attempt. Not a hunt, really, it's a hunt.
Speaker 2:It's a hunt, it's about a typical bear hunt. You took rifles into the backcountry with the intention of killing something. I would call that a hunt.
Speaker 1:I agree, we got scouting info we saw what was blooming early, that's for sure. We kind of saw what the snow's doing. May 11th is when I start my real full week out there. I got another month to sit and hopefully get more melt. There's no way in hell. Even if it doesn't melt, there's no way in hell. Those bears aren't moving. That's what we kept talking about. It's like bears could be sedentary, but there's a certain point where they need to start going.
Speaker 2:Yeah I, I would bet that probably this coming weekend they'll be out.
Speaker 1:Oh, I'm sure so I'll be in in Colorado. Well, when some, when some, when some, when some, it's all right, I'm just saving my legs, saving my joints. Got a week long hunt. I like to, I've. I found I go out a high number of quantity for deer and elk.
Speaker 1:Like I'll go out every single day I possibly can for deer and elk, cause you never know, especially with elk, they can move anywhere. Oh yeah, with bears I really like to do like a few trips, like big trips and like because I also do it based on the school schedule where I'm doing six classes in the spring and fall and fall, so I don't have that amount of time where in the fall, five days a week, I can go out. Yeah, I have local spots where I can kill and go out, so I feel like it's a little bit more of a backcountry endeavor for bears. So I really try to section out where at least I get roughly about 10 to 14 days a year, which I feel like is a fair amount. I will say it's not priority but I love it.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's fun. I think that's the. That's another hunt.
Speaker 1:It's type 2 fun, especially that trip. That trip was type 2 fun. I can look back on it and smile and laugh. We had some good moments, but I was like In the moment, just like.
Speaker 3:Yeah, there's no hope in sight.
Speaker 1:Yeah, we had no evidence that there was Bears out. We got zero evidence except a social media post and two-week-old shit yeah, and we went to areas where historically I know there's bears, yeah Like.
Speaker 2:I know there's bears, the mountains in Montana.
Speaker 1:Well, these specific areas. I've seen bears with my own two eyes, like in May, where I'm like I missed a bear at one of the spots last year, like missed a bear with my rifle, so I know there's bears in there, so we'll see. I'm going to back out. Maybe you'll join me, swift, we'll see going out this weekend.
Speaker 1:You are, we'll see do you have a hunt plan like mile wise, or are you just kind of sending it going out this weekend? You are, yeah, we'll see. You have a hunt plan like mile-wise, or are you just kind of sending it Backcountry camp Fucking around? Yeah, good man, good man.
Speaker 2:Getting dropped off at a trail by a friend because he can't park overnight. Good, figure it out from there. Watch, he's going to kill off. Stop That'd be awesome. So I've never shot a bear because I'm looking for a very specific bear, can't be. I want to kill a cinnamon-faced black bear. Oh, hell, yeah. What about blondes?
Speaker 1:No, I would shoot a blonde.
Speaker 2:But my grail bear is a cinnamon-faced black bear. Okay Size. Do you have a?
Speaker 1:specific size, bigger or better Like five foot plus, yeah, okay, what about chocolate? Not a good one for me. A stud like six foot chocolate water bear?
Speaker 2:No, really no. What about the color? For me, yeah, which is like the way, like elk hunting, mule deer hunting, antelope hunting, if something's smaller, but it's weird looking. I'm all about that. Okay, that's fair. I'd shoot a .280 elk and pass on a .330 if it was fucking weird looking.
Speaker 1:Like one of those unicorn ones with, like this yeah, 100, okay, that's like half spike and then half, like I love a good junk sale, yeah, I love some good junk on my antlers, but with bears I would say my specifications we kind of talked about this name brad, I'll shoot any color, but each color determines like I'll shoot like a five foot long and I'll shoot like a five foot like cinnamon, but if it's black it has to be big. Yeah, that's fair. And chocolate it has to be big. I'll shoot any color, but definitely like it has to be big enough to justify it. That's fair.
Speaker 1:So, like we were talking, I'm like, yeah, dude, if there's like a 4.9 foot jet black bear, brad, you're on it, which is hard to judge, obviously. But if it's like waddling, it's bad. It's just like fucking do, do, do like rookie over here. Little waller, nope, but he's fast though. Oh, I'm sure it's sort of the bears, yeah, but I was like if it looks like it's wide and those ears are not big, like they're like button ears, so you know it's a big head, I'll shoot it Fair. That's my kind of metric.
Speaker 3:Yeah, if it's legal, I'm shooting it. Fair enough, I don't expect that I don't expect that.
Speaker 2:I wish we could shoot grizzlies Awesome.
Speaker 1:Maybe one day Go Alaska.
Speaker 2:I was going to say a fog, fuck that Dude. That's my dream hunt, taking my 300 rum to a fog neck island.
Speaker 1:I want to go bow hunt grizzlies in the mainland. You can do that by yourself.
Speaker 2:Have fun, I will. I think I'm going to try to go on a moose hunt next year. Really you going? Yep, I'll be honest. Yeah, but I would drive Into Canada Crossing no with a rifle. I know crossing the border into Canada with a rifle is a little I was thinking about that today.
Speaker 2:But you can do it. I was thinking about that today. I'm like you can do it. You can, yeah. You just have to register the gun ahead of time and you have to tell them exactly how much ammunition you're bringing with you. Yeah, and just be prepared. Oh, I fully expect them to go through my entire truck and all that shit and I'm like go ahead If you have one extra handgun.
Speaker 2:Go around the fuck, oh yeah. Which is why I would like borrow my mom or my dad's truck, because there's so much ammunition just rolling around in the cab of my truck, oh yeah dude, I have like a.
Speaker 1:I have a little pocket like seven mags, six by the pier, oh yeah.
Speaker 2:Random Yep and there's so many handgun mags, it's like, yeah, yikes, oh Canada, I love you Canada, but fuck, come on guys, all right. So here's my question. The big question is so this is your first backcountry? Yeah, completely. I saw photos of your gear list what worked and what didn't work.
Speaker 3:What are you like? I need to upgrade this Tripod for sure. I'm using one of Quentin's old ones right now. It was all on the essentials? Hell yeah, so that would be number one on the list for sure. What would you upgrade to Depends what my budget is at the time. Fair enough, triceratops yeah, I loved it, but it's so damn expensive.
Speaker 2:Yeah, just for a tripod, tripod 400 bucks for the setup, yeah right, yeah, well, the head was 99, so whatever, I don't know what the tripods are 300, 300, so yeah, 400 bucks. 400, yeah, which that revic head is nice I think it's smooth.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so for reference, swifty, very kind, let me use the tricer ab tripod and I with the revic head and got a little dog attack. That thing was the shit inside of that slick. It was light, it was bigger and it was so smooth like we sat down, like I said, for hours and I was comfortable using it the entire time and it works in a good movie stand. Yeah, we put Zulus up with the MagVue and watched the first 15 minutes of Wedding Crash before falling asleep. Nice Hell, yeah, that's awesome. So tripod.
Speaker 3:Big one was my handgun. I was asking a 9mm just because that's what I got.
Speaker 1:That's what you got what would be the 10mm choice? Do you know? No idea. I have to do some research. What do you use, springfield? I use Springfield XTM that's what I like fantastic how's? That mic taste yeah, brad has his podcasting mics all kind of being seen in camera.
Speaker 3:You get a little clip on mics, not as fancy as these.
Speaker 1:Whatever?
Speaker 2:works man. They work in the field. I just need a bunch of this shit sitting around.
Speaker 3:But yeah, anyway, holster would be a big one because I had it positioned poorly. I have a mystery ranch um 1380 backpack, okay and um, just, I had it in the wrong position the whole time. So yeah, straight, yeah fair.
Speaker 2:Yeah, what kind of pistol was it?
Speaker 3:Hand-me-down from my grandpa. Okay yeah, still working on like names and brands and whatnot. Sure Fair For my whole gear list Just getting into this.
Speaker 2:Like I said, no yeah yeah, and I ran a gun store. So yeah, exactly.
Speaker 3:Do you still work at a smorgasbord? No, do you know grabby smorgasbords, did you? I worked at the checkout area with you, wait what. Two years ago, for one month I worked there. What? Yeah, you and Rio? No shit, dude.
Speaker 1:I barely remember, did you?
Speaker 3:have your black hair. At the time I think I was just coming out of that phase. I was in like brown hand phase then.
Speaker 2:But so yeah, when I heard you, was this pre or post me breaking my leg? Were you there when?
Speaker 3:that happened, hosts, but pretty recent. You're on coaches, okay, okay.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I was so fucking hopped up on pain meds at that point I was like whoa.
Speaker 1:What happened with your sportsman's career? Just left Just left.
Speaker 3:yeah Well, I moved home for this summer and I was going to come back that fall and then found another opportunity that paid a bit better. Every back that fall and then found another opportunity that paid a bit better to me okay, every opportunity. No discounts, though, so we're missing out on that, but I didn't even work there long enough to get the discount.
Speaker 2:There's even your guys who were so was it was dudley your boss.
Speaker 3:Well, I don't, maybe, or a map, maybe, I'm not sure. Okay, yeah.
Speaker 4:I have no idea. It's a small world after Hot Wheels.
Speaker 2:Hot Wheels is there still oh god, okay, yeah, that's a long time ago. Yeah, fuck years ago. Yeah, rio, that's crazy.
Speaker 3:I still talk to Rio yeah, I'll see him around town.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's smart rio's a good dude. I love that guy. He's one of my best friends.
Speaker 3:Um, yeah, yeah, so all right, so pistol pistol, um tripod water bottle holder didn't work for me with my mystery ranch holster man, it's almost like you should get a drifter yeah, oh, smart little add-in.
Speaker 1:Now the drifter dude, drifter hydration I was. I my I found my favorite way to use it really, yeah, 100, I uh. What I'll do is I'll pump it up like use a little pump and instead of doing like the free flow where you twist, you just do it like where you normally bite down, turn off the thing and I'll just like perfect, perfect, perfect.
Speaker 1:Like the amount of pressure that you just have to bite it and you can control nice, so that I would. That was I don't. I wouldn't say that it was like a picture perfect method, but I got like the right amount of water at the time, like that free-flowing, which works really well for refilling things, just biting down, perfect. Perfect.
Speaker 3:Yeah, so that's definitely on the list, Well we know some people.
Speaker 1:We may or may not know them.
Speaker 2:May. Yeah, no, the Drifter Gathers are super fucking cool. They've been cool to us so far, so Maybe it'll win our giveaway. Yeah, giveaway is going to be. It's a ways away. We're slowly chugging towards that number. But it's one of those packs 5k initial set, drift or hydration some other stuff May or may not be attached to that.
Speaker 1:That's awesome, yeah it's going to be legit. What? Did we say A thousand on Instagram. A thousand on Instagram.
Speaker 2:Let's get them there, a thousand on Instagram and we end up giving away a thousand dollars worth of stuff.
Speaker 3:Hell yeah, every dollar, a follower Yep of giving away $1,000 worth of stuff, hell yeah.
Speaker 2:Every dollar a follower. Yep, very cool, we'll give away a bunch of shit. The second we get to $1,000 on Instagram.
Speaker 1:That's the goal. Once we hit $1,000, we're giving away something cool A whole setup. A whole setup, like some of the shit that I bought.
Speaker 2:I'm going to be trying to get on that no optics, just put that out there.
Speaker 1:No optics, we're not that crazy.
Speaker 2:Maybe a tripod though, maybe a tripod, maybe Give away a tricer.
Speaker 1:Yeah, tricer Drifter.
Speaker 2:Drifter hydration. Initial scent. Initial scent backpack. Go-hun jacket. Go-hun jacket, you're going to go on to get an atmosphere.
Speaker 3:That's on my to-get list. Go-hun Yep.
Speaker 2:Super sick so. Brad Stormcast Gators. Stormcast Gators.
Speaker 1:And a pair of set of trekking poles. Yeah, we're not going like salty, but I would Dude, I want one. All right, so holster, water bottle, holster, what else?
Speaker 3:I'm trying to think I don't. Besides some basic gear that I borrowed from you, I don't think there's anything necessarily that I would change. I've just got to either break it in more or try it out more. Oh, the sleeping pad, that's one. Just upgrade, that is something from Arrest.
Speaker 2:That's the one that's blown up in there because, again, I'm going this weekend so I inflate everything before I go Make sure it's not fucked up. Yeah, that thing is insane and it's like double-layered so you can't pop it.
Speaker 1:Is that a thermo-master? Yes, do you run Tyvek underneath for a floorless shelter?
Speaker 2:Yeah, I have the GoHunt Tyvek ground sheet.
Speaker 1:Oh, you have the GoHunt. I just bought the Amazon one for like $10.
Speaker 2:Yeah, branding cost me $30.
Speaker 1:Dude, they just put out that little Air Pump. I got that thing for $20 on Amazon. They're selling it for $40.
Speaker 2:I got one at Sportsman's a couple years ago, yeah the Blackstale.
Speaker 1:Those things are nice, I use that a lot. Anything else, brad, not necessarily. No, any clothing items. You want to get Anything.
Speaker 3:You're kind of looking Go-hunt jacket Gators just because I was borrowing Quentin's. Yes, snow, glacier ones. Besides that, nothing really off the top of my head Put a rifle. You used A .30-06. Remains in the .700. Nice.
Speaker 2:Very nice OG yeah, great guns, great caliber.
Speaker 1:We took your 7th year 7th year Alpine CT. Alpine CT. Thanks, thanks.
Speaker 3:Yeah, that was great. The guys on Instagram in your videos posted with what your Alpine.
Speaker 2:CD. I saw that comment. Is that an Alpine CD?
Speaker 1:Wait, someone posted I don't know Frad's been posting me on Freight Pursuits a lot.
Speaker 3:I'm really worried that people are going to think it's my thing. It's not. He's a great model. What's cool?
Speaker 2:He's got all the fucking cool gear too. Exactly, I am a trend follower, trend follower no, oh so okay, here's another question based on the podcast that we just did um camo versus solids are you a camo guy? Are you?
Speaker 3:a solids guy. I guess it depends overall, but I'll go hunting in blue jeans okay very wisconsin yeah, um, what's your?
Speaker 1:what's your back country preference? Yeah?
Speaker 3:let's break down what you took with you yeah, um, I did all solids for this trip, mostly because clinton was talking about ticks and I hate ticks and I don't want to deal with that. Didn't run into any ticks, yeah, but we can?
Speaker 2:I was gonna say there's there's a bit of snow up there, right you know?
Speaker 3:may prevent them. But just for down the line too, got solids. I'm probably switching to solids for now. I'm all hunting out here at least, but obviously back in Wisconsin, the trees and rocking camo as much as I can.
Speaker 2:What's your go-to pattern?
Speaker 3:I like the looks of bottom land, but I don't have it.
Speaker 1:I don't know I also like the looks of bottom land. You know what I saw the other day at the bow shop who, the new Virtue from Bowtech with bottom land's magnesium riser, fuck yeah. I have not considered buying a new bow more than when I looked at that bow. I have not considered buying a new bow more than when I looked at that bow. Really, it is the lightest bow I've ever felt, more so than carbon, hmm. And it was in like a coyote brown riser with the limbs as bob ones.
Speaker 1:That's actually pretty sick.
Speaker 2:It's really sick. We bought a new bow, and I don't even have it yet man, come on.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I was very tempted. I was like two grand, but I'm waiting, I'm waiting. I gotta kill an elk with a bow before I get a new bow. That's the commitment I say that's fair.
Speaker 1:Fair. Go for a cow, go for a cow. If it comes down to it, I'm buying cow tags. This year I had so many opportunities on cows that I couldn't just shot a cow. How did you not have cow tags? I knew that I would get caught up trying to shoot a cow. I did that two years ago and I missed it. I literally shot at a cow and then a bull walked out. I do my five doe tags a year. I fill those, fill the freezer. That's my reserve, sure. So I already have like a good setup where it's like okay, five doe tags, my buck tag, my elk tag and elk tag Fair.
Speaker 1:And I filled all those tags this year Okay, so it's attainable it is. I did everything but my elk with a bow too All my doe tags, my buck tag and my antelope tag with a bow. I just did not kill an elk with a bow, which is boom in the face. Yeah, Literally killed a mule deer with a bow, which people say is harder than killing an elk with a bow.
Speaker 2:It's different, it's very different.
Speaker 1:I wouldn't say it's harder, but it's definitely different. I would say it's a lot more stealth.
Speaker 2:Because mule deer is a superior animal. Everyone knows this.
Speaker 1:Brady.
Speaker 3:Miller over here.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah, this is one thing that me and Brady definitely agree on.
Speaker 1:I agree on him with bears? Yeah, hardly. Oh, bears are better than turkeys oh yeah, Easy.
Speaker 2:Anyone that argues the other is an idiot, Exactly. Oh my God, Thank you. Thank you Well one. It's a really good chance to check out and test all the new gear that you just got. Yeah, Like, make sure everything works. It's like what do you need to upgrade between now and the fall? Yeah, and then like, are you going to fucking die? That's a really good check too. Yeah, really good check too.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I, uh, I think from my end I only have like really two or three things I need to. I want to upgrade, but that's not even like I don't. All three of those things I want to upgrade are not applicable for my l content style, so I'm not like they're only for bear, so one of them is my hot 10. I have a luna six from Bear Paul Lavernus. It's definitely a four-person tent. They call it a six, but me and Brad fit in it bare With your stove.
Speaker 1:With the stove, that is one piece. I want to upgrade to a solitude. Okay, and besides that, tripod and spotter, fair. But all three of those items on my end are stuff that I don't use often. Yeah, that's fair, because I'm running a Vivi and no tripod. What Vivi? The Outdoor Research Helium Vivi, yeah, I was thinking about getting one. I love mine, but I've been in some sketchy-ass situations with it. So I went to the spot right and it's like six miles back, hunted a few days.
Speaker 1:Night two, I'm like laying. It's brown. I'm in this like I'm laying down and I hear cracking all over. Remember, it's a bivvy, so it's like a coffin and I'm just like, oh, there's a bear, because I'm in real grizzly country. There's been attacks there frequently and I'm laying out, I'm on the ground and all of a sudden I hear a fucking bugle five yards away from me and there's an elk herd right next to me and I think an elk herd is going to stomp all on top of me Middle of the night.
Speaker 1:It's like 2 am.
Speaker 1:I don't have to tell anyone that, but I'm just like thinking to myself I'm not in a tent, they will not see me, they will stomp on me.
Speaker 1:So I literally like am laying, like at, like my stomach to the ground, my pistol in my hand, I like unzip my bivy and like pop my head out and turn on my headlamp and there's like an elk right there and they all just kind of scatter and I'm like if I didn't hear that bugle they could have easily just walked on top of me, cause I'm in this like little, so it's a lot of open area, but then there's this like thicket of aspens and I'm in this, I'm sleeping there.
Speaker 1:The reality is I'm really close to the elk. There's this hill and then this fat timber bottom on the other side of the hill. They were there when I went to bed. They just came up. That's the only time I've been like, okay, this is kind of sketchy, but the lightweight, I don't mind sleeping in a coffin. I just have to keep like the front of it open, because I get a little claustrophobic, sure, but get some air in there and I'm fine yeah, I'm trying to do one of those for fall, for sure for an archery elk setup?
Speaker 1:I don't think you. I think it is the best setup that. And a tar tarp yeah, I have the Stone Glacier tarp, but when it's nice out I just want to lay out and go sleep. So if I feel like there's rain, or there's rain on the forecast, whatever, then I'll do the tarp, just so that the trekking pole will lean to. But besides that I'll literally just throw it. I throw the Tyvek first and then I put the Bivy on top of the Tyvek. Keep everything together. Oh shit, yeah. So I do the Tyvek Bivy, sleeping pad, pillow, sleeping bag, put my gear on the Tyvek too, like right next to me. Good to go Fair, that's not a bad way to do it. No, super light, yeah. And it it's not a bad way to do it. No, super light, yeah. And it was even with like bringing a tripod and spotter last year, which I did not need to do, yeah, it was like still like only 45 pounds. So this year I'm thinking my entire setup water, food, sleep, stuff extra year is going to be in the 30s.
Speaker 3:I'm just feeling like this past deer season for me and duck season, yeah. Yeah, it's a pretty rough duck season, right, very rough. I can count on two hands how many ducks I shot this past season. How many days did you spend in the field Every weekend I could and then took some days off work too. So yeah, I didn't get much to show for it and then took some days off work too. So, yeah, it's a real long trip. I didn't get much to show for it, but I don't know.
Speaker 3:I heard that with other duck hunters around that they didn't have.
Speaker 1:Yeah, may has had some rough season as well.
Speaker 3:the ducks yeah, it's just feeling like that a little bit of defeat, but I'm excited to get back out there in May for sure.
Speaker 2:Thank you, may's.
Speaker 1:It'll be good, they'll be moving around. I have a lot more hope for my May trip, especially because I have more time and zero commitments. I'm not worried about getting ahead on homework because I am done with school. Yep, oh yeah. Speaking of school, I have a little update for you. Uh-oh, I will be in Bozeman for about three more years. That's the one more year, really. So I, this past week, added in a second major Hell, yeah, so I'm doing marketing and management, and then I have two minors, one in econ, one in entrepreneurship, and a certificate leadership. So I'm going to be done 2027, and then I'm getting my master's in MSIM, which is Master's in System Information Management, which is like an advanced technology business degree. So that's about a year.
Speaker 1:So I'll be in Bozeman for sure for three more years. And then I was talking to the advisor and they're trying to get an MBA program started up. So my goal is by the time I'm 26, I'll have two masters, two majors, two minors, jesus.
Speaker 2:Christ, I want that money. Well, fair enough, dude, that's awesome, and a couple archery balls.
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Three 40-miles on the wall. I was talking to my parents. They're like where do you want to go to grad school? I'm like I will go to grad school anywhere I can get an over-the-counter archery elk tag. So that means Colorado, Yep as a resident Yep, Oregon and Montana. You want to hunt rosies? I don't mind hunting rosies. They're beautiful. I think they're gorgeous. But I'm saying like if I had to, Sure I want to go to U of M Purely to stay on tour for two years and then come back to Boston. But if I had to, I wouldn't mind living in Oregon, Go to the Boat Rock all the time.
Speaker 2:I mean, I assume then U of O?
Speaker 1:Yeah, I don't want to get out of the sea. It's right there. No, I don't feel like I'd like Corvallis Corvagus. Yeah, that like core vegas. Yeah, that's fair enough. I mean eugene's not that much, but but at least we live in springfield that's why the springfield's pretty gross. I mean it's not a bad spot. I actually really think it's beautiful there. Oregon, I think, is 99 very beautiful and one percent portland and 1% Portland.
Speaker 2:Yeah, unfortunately, portland is more than 1% of the state.
Speaker 1:Yeah, but I love Oregon. I've been to Oregon a lot.
Speaker 2:The coast. Oh, it's fucking beautiful yeah.
Speaker 1:I haven't been to the coast since an event in my life, but Fair One event that will probably not be repeated.
Speaker 2:Fair, I almost think you're right. Also, I'm going to delete this entire section. It's pissing me off. I didn't, because I have 13 fucking deer points in this goddamn state and they never give it to me. Yeah, I didn't.
Speaker 1:Because I was like thinking, well, damn the amount of hunting time I could put into a tag. It's insane.
Speaker 2:Well, I really thought I had a sure thing this year. Oh yeah, because I know there's some big elk on the north side of that unit and I have enough points where I was like fuck, I really should be able to draw this unit. What made it go to 100% view? I don't. This year I know it was 100% and 0 points and I assume next year it's going to be 100% and 0 points, or I mean, I know you have a couple points right, can I have like 10? Yeah, okay, so it should be at one point. You drew an Altago, yeah, you have 0 points.
Speaker 1:I'll have zero points. I'll have zero.
Speaker 3:Sorry, I'm starting over. Also, it was my first year. That's fucking Rookie luck, exactly.
Speaker 1:Back to the podcast. Sorry for the little delay.
Speaker 2:I'm just going to bleep out every single unit that we just talked about. They'll be like. Then you guys can figure it out yourself.
Speaker 1:So getting back into more asking about you, asking about what you're kind of playing, what do you hope to achieve with Prairie Pursuit, because you've been working on that pretty fucking hard.
Speaker 3:Yeah, honestly, I'm just trying to document my own work with hunting and just keep me motivated through other people's entertainment. Yeah, that's it. Yeah.
Speaker 1:Just giving me Any memorable experiences out of it like going through your journey of content creation, like, do you have any standout moments? Like, oh, I think I want to keep doing this kind of thing?
Speaker 3:I mean the in-the-field type of streaming was fun and I want to find a way to do it where I can actually live stream it and get more stuff.
Speaker 2:I got one, if you ever want to borrow it.
Speaker 3:How much is that? Monthly $165. That's probably why.
Speaker 1:I kind of want to get a tablet for my truck.
Speaker 2:So I didn't get the mini because they bottlenecked the mini at 50 gigs. So I got the big one. But I'm getting a bow for the top of my belt, let's see.
Speaker 3:So I got the big one, but I'm getting a bow for the top of my belt. Let's see Hoping to record more videos.
Speaker 1:What kind of videos do you want to do? You've got to flatten this.
Speaker 3:What type of video, the content of what we're on.
Speaker 2:So are you looking to make hunt films?
Speaker 1:Yeah, I am sir.
Speaker 3:Like vlogs or stuff like that. I guess film vlog mitts Get a little documentary going. Who?
Speaker 1:are your kind of inspirations to what you're doing, because there has to be some form of inspiration.
Speaker 3:I mean the most obvious one in the Bozeman area Steve Rinella, sure Yep meat eater, some form of inspiration. I mean the most obvious one in the postman area.
Speaker 1:Steve Rinello Sure, definitely Got me into it. Yep, meat eater Any other, because you've started a bunch of different journeys, kind of at the same time.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I mean I'm also just trying to get my fitness up and get on the workout grind, so Cam Haynes has been helping me get motivated with that stuff. Do you lift on unshoot every day? Not yet, but trying to get there. I ran for the first time in years this morning, so trying to. How far do you go? Like a mile and a half?
Speaker 1:Hey, it's Boston Marathon Day. It's a good day to run.
Speaker 3:Yeah, my cousin just finished up.
Speaker 1:Four minutes, four hours, 11 minutes. Fuck yeah, Nice Dude. I'm still thinking about Truett, though.
Speaker 3:Fuck, still think about Truett, though.
Speaker 1:Fuck, he's a savage Machine dude. It was like 238. He said he was going to do sub 240 and he fucking did it. Hell yeah Machine. But anyway, boss, marathon Day, a little mile and a half, a little jump, yeah. So campaigns, meat eater, anyone else? No. Is that the kind of content you consume then?
Speaker 3:Yeah, I was going to say that's what I mostly listen to. I'm trying to expand my research into the GoHuntGuys.
Speaker 2:Big Hunt Guys podcast. Yeah, exactly, they make a lot of really good films as well.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I've been checking those out online too. Shout out to those dudes Sponsors. Yeah, I've been checking those out online too.
Speaker 1:Shout out to those dudes yeah, sponsors, yeah, that's our little gag through this podcast. So just kind of getting inspired by Mediator, by campaigns, starting your fitness journey, archery journey, backcountry hunting. What do you think are your main takeaways, not just from this trip, but from the content you do you think are your main takeaways Not just from this trip, but from, like, the content you consume, like what are your ultimate goals? Like, this is something I think is attainable within the next year and I want to get it done. Fitness hunting life.
Speaker 3:Fitness. I want to be working out like pretty consistently, you know, like kind of like what you do, maybe not every day, uh, just with managing a full-time job and all um and the fiance. So congrats, yeah, shout out sophie. Shout out sophie. Thanks to all her support for letting me do this in the first place, because takes out a lot of time. So just trying to manage all that um.
Speaker 1:But besides that, yeah, I don't know, just keep up the workouts, maintain workouts, yes, and are you on any apps like mountain, tough or something like that, you kind of just figuring out on your own?
Speaker 3:figuring out on my own. Totally yeah, you're going the cheaper route, as much as possible.
Speaker 1:I think we should start a fitness side to this. Okay, dude, because I feel like that's all you.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I dude because I feel like that's all you yeah I have some.
Speaker 1:I feel like I have some good like hard work. You should do this. Don't worry about this kind of workout. Yeah, that's fair but everyone's.
Speaker 3:I can be your test subject, man. What's just like start. We start with workouts, fucking rugging, rugging. Um, nutrition too, I'll need into that and kind of expand the podcast into that too and talk about it For sure.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I mean, I'm not really absent.
Speaker 2:I have a guy to reach out to, by the way, if we want to start doing fitness stuff. Oh, I'd love to. Yeah, I can. He said he goes on pretty much everyone's podcast that asks him, but he seems like a really cool dude, awesome.
Speaker 1:Swifty, I feel like would be a good man to start talking about nutrition.
Speaker 2:You're a chef, oh really I spent 10 years of my life before I moved back to Montana as a chef in like Michelin star restaurants. Wow, yeah, I don't talk about it because you know I've decided to leave that behind. But yeah, when it comes to like cooking, like when we get into like actually putting shit on the ground, in the fall that could be something we can start doing. Oh, dude.
Speaker 1:Figuring out ways to use underutilized parts of the body Like rib racks. Yep, dude, rib racks are honestly one of the most I their head I get, oh yeah but do that me, if you can, if you're willing to pack that out.
Speaker 2:Yeah, okay, 100, leave the tendies on it and then you have a fucking flaming yong, right, well, yeah, that would be the filet, yes, but no, you could do like a rack of elk it'd be. Yeah, that'd be awesome. Yeah, we can, we can work on something when we start putting the woman down. Yeah well, there's someone down there, there's also some, I just do.
Speaker 1:I do the peckerwood yeah, there you go um. So nutrition, fitness what about hunting? What's your kind of big goal for the year? What is something you want to get done? You think is attainable?
Speaker 3:those are two separate things in my head right now. What I want to get done is archery bowl, okay, but first year realistically.
Speaker 2:You know, I drew a good tag yeah, drew a fucking killer tag for a first year, yeah, yeah 100 so I'm talking about this you need to go out
Speaker 3:yeah, like scout scout, scout yeah, so I'm already planning out trips with the fiance. Get out there with the dogs for camping. Yeah, go find some help. But, um, yeah, that's it.
Speaker 2:Oh, thanks, yeah, I appreciate it. You know I love scouting, so much fun hanging out in the summer.
Speaker 1:Yeah, bring your bows. You shoot the bows. Oh yeah, you can walk around. Put some cameras out, yeah.
Speaker 3:But I would really like to shoot a mule with a bow. I don't really care necessarily if it's a doe or a buck, just fill the freezer yeah.
Speaker 1:Save the mule he does, yeah, right.
Speaker 3:Okay, fill the freezer. Honestly, compared to last year, it was so shit last year for myself, so just gotta put meat in the freezer.
Speaker 1:Bring stuff home. So life, that's the last one. What's your life goal for this year? Got a wedding coming up in what 26?
Speaker 3:Yep 26 in the summer, so got some time yet Got to save money. But hunting and saving money do not mix well and I'm learning that the hard way definitely so is Sophie. Sorry again to her. So yeah, life goals, keep my job, keep making money so I can keep making this content and keep going at it in the woods.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, sweet same oh yeah, actually I need to keep losing weight. After we came back, same, I didn't lose it for my ultra, true um, after we came back, I left the trip at 171. I weighed myself last night. I'm like 164, damn. After we came back, I left the trip at 171. I weighed myself last night. I'm like 164. Damn, we put in a lot and that shows you how much work we put in. It was a lot.
Speaker 3:I'm super sore okay, nice, awesome.
Speaker 2:I think those are all very attainable goals. I think they're all reasonable goals. They're all very doable. They're different levels. Yeah, 100%, you definitely put an elbow in the ground in that unit, especially because you don't have a ton of pressure, right?
Speaker 3:so that's what I'm looking forward to is less pressure, just honestly getting out there experiencing the elk that that close and working on the calls, working on everything yeah it's good time, definitely good time.
Speaker 1:So, speaking on archery, speaking on archery elk, tell us about your bow, tell us about what you're set up, what you kind of want to run, what you are running when, like arrow wise, what you're thinking, just break it down.
Speaker 3:You're gonna have to help me. I got the Hoyt Alpha X. Keep mixing it up for the Axis for some reason. If that is a bow, the axis.
Speaker 1:It's a rifle. It's a rifle. That's sad.
Speaker 3:Yeah, but I always do that. Anyways, I love it, bought it used and it's just been going the range and putting arrows through it.
Speaker 1:Have you kind of dug into like deep diving, like tuning and all that work, or are you kind of just shop-dropping?
Speaker 3:Shop-dropping. For sure, At least while I was focusing on this bear season, I kind of put that in priority once we set up our trip and I had to get all in here for that. Yeah All right.
Speaker 1:So what are you running on, tell?
Speaker 2:us about the accessories. What sight, first and foremost, Dude? I don't know.
Speaker 3:Clinton sold it to me A black gold.
Speaker 1:What is the Hunter Pro? Nice Hunter Pro. It was a 5-pin, I made it 3. Slider, slider, which you need to go get fixed. You know the classic black gold when you're sliding, it gets stripped. Yeah, they'll fix it for free though.
Speaker 2:Oh, they're super cool, they're great.
Speaker 1:So black gold hunter, prone slider, what else you know? Your stabilizers Talk about your stabilizers. I got the Hoyt. Stabilizers talk about your stabilizers, I got the Hoyt stabilizers.
Speaker 3:Okay, I got a, I don't know how much weight's on the front or the back, 8 and 8, 8 and 8, so you're running the front and the back bar. Yes, okay, yeah still working on angles, though for that back, bar sure, just put it on.
Speaker 1:Yeah, if I remember correctly you had the 10-inch up front, 8-inch in the back, that's just the way to do it Still learning all this guys.
Speaker 3:Sorry with my lack of knowledge on all the gears and equipment. You gotta learn at some point. Yeah, I'm openly doing it, trying to show people how to get your foot in the door with all this stuff. Yeah, the bow shops can be intimidating they are, I'm not gonna lie. Yeah, definitely was nervous first couple times, but now I'm willing to show my face without any comfort.
Speaker 2:Help sequent so I mean, it also comes down to when you go in and you're just like I, I don't know what I'm doing, help me please. They're always super cool about helping. Yeah, I mean it's, it's the you know, bow shops, gun shops, all those places. If you're just like hey, I yeah, yeah at the end of time?
Speaker 1:yeah it, I will say it helps to have a repertoire, like if they know you. True, oh 100. Yeah, I will say I've spent a lot of time at the local bow shop and have a repertoire where I can go in there and know everyone that's working and say what's up. Do you have a rapport? Repertoire Rapport?
Speaker 1:Same thing, essentially Sort of Synonyms Synonyms and pseudonyms same thing, yeah but, it definitely makes the process a little easier because having some like I was fortunate where my buddy eric, who taught me everything about archery, was the manager over there for a while, or quote-unquote manager for a year or two. So I started showing up, he introduced me to everyone and that same group guys still working there, so I can go in there and be like hey what's up?
Speaker 1:how's, how's this going on in your life? Just call back stuff, knowing them, so it makes my experience when I go there fantastic, because they know I know what I'm doing. They know I can just walk to the, the back room or walk, walk downstairs and I'll pay. And they know I'm not that I'm good for it. I can not nervous about grabbing a drink from the cooler, so that helps yeah.
Speaker 2:I mean, it's all about getting to know people. Yeah, connections for sure.
Speaker 1:Yeah, 100%, but yeah, so your arching journey is going pretty well.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I'm shooting pretty consistent, up to 50 yards, good man.
Speaker 1:So 50 is, I like to say, practice to 100 to shoot for 50. Mm-hmm.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's the cameo's knowledge.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that I twice as far as you want to shoot in real life. Yeah, that's. Swifty's seen that in action with me. I shoot out to 130. That's where I like to shoot out to. That's where I like to shoot out to. So if I'm shooting consistent 130, I'm confident at shooting that through the map. Should be money at 60, but Yep, I'm great at it. I'm 70 yards in, I can exit. I feel confident exiting it.
Speaker 1:Second, get to 80?, 86?, like where I shot my ammo A little bit of a parade shot, it's alright, this we'll call him so-called person I'm hunting with, shot a doe with his bow last year at 100 and a dick Dude dropped it, straight, dropped it, next shot, dropped. So I okay, here's the scenario. We're hunting this local whitetail spot, bill in the freezer.
Speaker 2:The local whitetail spot. Fill in the freezer. The local whitetail spot yeah, you know that spot oh yeah, you know the spot.
Speaker 1:So we drive up. We see this group, we sneak over this hill. I put an arrow into this doe heart long, 60 yards, perfect. It runs down this depression and starts going uphill, gets sick, drops dead. The other does run across the road. This one doe runs back over to check on this doe. It's literally just standing there and I range on like 150. And he's like I'm going to send him off. I'm like what? He's through the shot, I'm watching it Shoot. I watch the arrow and he's like, oh, I missed. And I watch the arrow fly, fly. Oh, I missed. And I watch the arrow fly, fly, fly, smack it in the neck, drops it Like straight up, like kicking it on the ground dead. And I'm like, dude, you just fucking stoned it. And he's like no way. And I'm like you just stoned it. Thing died right there.
Speaker 2:Hail Mary, hail Mary, completely unethical, hey you know, but fucking killed it K Held it with a bullet.
Speaker 1:Here's my argument for it. If you said you shot it with a muzzleloader at a 150-yard stick, no one would care. Yeah, no one would care. They'd be like oh nice.
Speaker 2:Say you did it with a rifle, no one would care.
Speaker 1:Yeah, Freehand, I would argue, if you are a confident shooter, like this person is, he is a phenomenal shooter, very good Like practices, like consistently to 130, 140. Like has his bow dialed for those longer shots, zero wind and is stable standing up and killed it immediately.
Speaker 2:No, if you can make the shot, fucking take the shot. Yeah, and I was like, unless it's a 6.5 Creedmoor, anything over 180 yards.
Speaker 1:He does shoot a 6.5 Creedmoor Dude. That thing is titties, though. It's like a full chassis build. Don't care if it's a 6.5.
Speaker 2:Creedmoor, it's trash. I'll take it. Not really that hot, though Not really hot, no.
Speaker 1:But yeah, stoned it 150 yards. Nice Great shot With a hinge. No, with a hinge. No, he hunts with a hinge. Fucking Kills way more shit than I kill. Yeah, fucking Levi Morgan with a hinge.
Speaker 2:Fucking, fucking Restrapped. Release this baby. I don't know, we'll see. We'll see. I might go back to my clicker.
Speaker 1:Fair. I'm starting the debate going to a hinge, not for hunting but for practice. When I get a new bow next year I think I will, fair and honestly, hot take might run a Quaglizer.
Speaker 2:That doesn't surprise me. For me, yeah, you'd feel like Equivalizer kind of person, not the total people on the hip.
Speaker 1:I'm debating between the two. Do you know? Brockhaus Sounds super familiar, so you remember the Primad from last year with that massive ass Brockhaus.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, yeah. So they all hunt. With the primes, with the Equibilizer, things look fucking sexy, really sexy. If you're thinking about packing it, flip it up. You don't have a front bar sticking out. That's where I think the most utility comes out of it. If you're putting on your backpack, not bad. The only thing I'd want to practice shooting it and see what the wind does with it, because that's the only issue I've heard where it will torque. Yeah, with that much giant sails out the front of your boat, uh huh, I want to shoot it. Maybe the three like the three one would be better. Yeah, I don't know, it's either that or the total people to hit.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 1:I like the total people. I like the concept of it. Yeah, we'll see. I'm not playing it this year. I'm keeping them all. I've decided I don't want to change my bow from the inline setup because I've only run it in the inline setup. Changing it now before season makes no sense. Shoot the bow the way it's been shot for the past few years. Yeah, I agree. And then if I get to it and I get a new bow, that's when I can start experimenting with new things. I agree Because I know I'm getting a short axle to axle next year. Instead of the third one.
Speaker 1:Rx10. Rx10. It's going to be something like that, rx10. I might go with the aluminum though R-X-X.
Speaker 2:I might go with the aluminum, though we'll see how she might go. I get it.
Speaker 1:I've shot all the new bows already, which is nice, I will say, being able to go to bow shops and like confident and say, hey, I want to shoot this bow and knowing Mike and I and not feeling weird about it, even though they know you're not going to buy it.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I mean, that's how I feel at the other place.
Speaker 1:Yeah, the other place Fair enough If that's how you feel comfortable.
Speaker 2:Yeah, let me shoot all of the new bows, all of your new $2,000 bows that I'm definitely not going to buy. The Prime.
Speaker 1:Interestingly enough, I hate the draw cycle, but the back wall and the way it holds, I honestly really liked it. And what I liked about the Prime is that it's the only company I can say that did something new, completely new.
Speaker 1:Like you can argue, the Bowtech with the magnesium riser, yeah, but there's no Same mostly everything. But the new Prime is like a new bow. It's a new technology, so that's why I honestly had interest in it. I'm not a Prime shooter, but I was like they actually did something new. Yeah, I don't dislike Primes at all.
Speaker 2:I'm indifferent.
Speaker 1:I haven't hunted with one. I'm indifferent, dislike Primes at all. I'm indifferent. I haven't hunted with one. I'm indifferent to Primes. They're very much, I think, a Dakotas kind of company if that makes sense, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's fair.
Speaker 1:Like I feel like there's like in Montana. It's like more Hoyt Matthews, yeah, Oregon's more Hoyt, Colorado's Hoyt Matthews, and if you get to the Cotas it's like Brian Matthews. That's fair, you know what I mean. That's fair, Like Wisconsin is all Matthews, For obvious reasons, Obvious reasons, but I think Man's bought a Hoyt.
Speaker 3:On Wisconsin though. You're not always on Wisconsin, no not at all, but in a couple years might be going back pretty full time. So yeah, got a lot of white tail to look forward to, oh yeah.
Speaker 1:I want to do a actual white tail hunt once in my life. Just one Texas fucking hunt. 50 podcasts from Texas. I'm down, I'd be so down. Shoot like a banger whitetail, monster whitetail. What is that range Cam Haynes goes to? Was it Cactus Jack? I have no idea. I think so that place looks sick.
Speaker 2:There's some places that grow some big ass fucking trees and I'm not opposed to going down there.
Speaker 1:I want to. I just I have a desire to do it once Sure, like stand hunt, once I like spot and stalk. I love western hunting, but it'd be a cool experience. Yeah, that's fair, it's a good time. My dream of dreams is to live in New Zealand. For To live in New Zealand, to live in New Zealand For half the year, fallen United States, remi Warren, exactly, that is the fucking life. Am I wrong? No, not at all, dude. Go hunt chamois and fallow deer.
Speaker 1:I was supposed to do that in 2020. That is what I've been trying to ask my dad for my graduation gift Is a big trip. I just want to go to New Zealand. But I'm like, hey, if we're going to New Zealand, oh, another, I think we looked around Another sponge.
Speaker 2:I don't know where the rookie is. Oh yes, all right, forgive us the dogs. Well, yeah, so right, yeah, oh great, forgive us the dogs.
Speaker 1:Well, yeah, so that's the dream, oh I want to get out to Hawaii eventually.
Speaker 3:Yeah, yeah, 100%, you unmuted, yeah.
Speaker 2:I am. I'm a professional. I do this for a living.
Speaker 1:So before we wrap up, swift, yeah, you want to talk about some things coming down the pipe, what you're kind of thinking.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I mean, what kind of things are we talking? What Like content? Like what do you think we want to get new in? Next big thing is going to be TAC. That's our big event. Yeah, maybe a bear hunt. Yeah, maybe a bear hunt. Ordered some cameras for the podcast, like some AS7s, wow, or some AS7Ss. Hopefully have those in time for TAC.
Speaker 1:I mean, if we have one, it's all good. Yep, higher film, we're just for TAC.
Speaker 2:Funny enough.
Speaker 1:I feel like this podcast kind of started because we were the only ones in the group that's gonna be shooting tech every single day together. Yeah, 100%. So me and Swift have a whole tech event all three days together. Yeah, it's been fun.
Speaker 2:Um, yeah, all three days got a fucking Airbnb out in Red Lodge. It was one of two Airbnbs that were available. Yeah, the other one was $6,000 a night. Holy shit, it was like as sick as that would be. It's a little out of my price range. Yeah, I'm actually. I mean I guess we can. We just talked about archery for 10 minutes. We can talk about tackle a little bit. Yeah, oh, surely because it's in red watch this year and instead of big sky and red watches kind of flat.
Speaker 1:I know it's gonna be interesting.
Speaker 2:I mean it's in the ski it's on the ski resort, but, like even then, it it's.
Speaker 3:Yeah, compared to Big Sky it's pretty flat, not pretty tame.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I mean we signed up for an easy course day one, hardest course, day two, and then I think we're doing loophole day one, sick of day two and prime day three.
Speaker 4:So we went from easiest to hardest to middle we have sick morning slots.
Speaker 1:Thank the Lord, we have morning slots, thank the lord we got morning slots. Yeah, seriously, it's gonna be hot. Yeah, um, what's funny is that I shoot tag the weekend after my ultra, so I'm gonna be posted. Yeah, I'm gonna take that whole week to recover and then then shoot tag, try and get some yeah. I'm thinking about wearing the origin shorts shoot tag. Oh, one last thing I want to mention. I want to shout out Brad for being a killer tattoo artist. This guy, he's the one who did my squid.
Speaker 3:Really, yeah, yeah, oh shit, just sold the tattoo machine yesterday knocking on. Oh shit, just sold the tattoo machine that I got yesterday. Not gonna lie, oh man.
Speaker 2:I have one somewhere around here.
Speaker 3:Well, if you ever want a tattoo, let me know, I just want to talk to your iPhone first.
Speaker 1:Oh.
Speaker 3:The iPhone's talking.
Speaker 2:Calm the fuck down, you don't need to turn it on okay.
Speaker 3:The psy-op's too.
Speaker 1:Yeah, dude, straight up.
Speaker 3:He did the squid on my leg.
Speaker 1:I was going to actually talk to you about my neck stat.
Speaker 3:Well, I want to upgrade the shins a little bit. Yeah, work on shading and whatnot.
Speaker 1:I was going to talk to you because I want you to do the rest of my forearm sleeve.
Speaker 3:That's a big project.
Speaker 1:I'll tell you what I'm thinking on the pop. Oh yeah, I'm thinking not work like norse, not not work right along here, and then I was gonna do like a wolf or something right here, like when. But in like old you know how, in like old mythology they have the like line work, like the traditional line work. Yeah, painting is kind of like A caveman style, wolf, nice To represent Fenrir, the like end of the world, yeah, so I was thinking kind of like the similar style as like the squid, that kind of line work with that wolf. That'd be awesome. You sick, I'm a big fan of tattoos. Me too.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I got it. My mom has not. I got my parents.
Speaker 2:My parents hate me, yeah, so I keep them in places that can be covered, yeah.
Speaker 1:My dad and I got a tattoo together, nice. We got this one together, nice, I'm not, you can kind of see it, I don't really care. And then Insert photo my mom used to be a deadhead Like a full. Oh nice, right on, she really doesn't care. Funny enough, she just got accepted for business school today. Oh yeah. Congrats, mom, thanks mom, have fun getting your MBA at 50.
Speaker 2:There's never a wrong time for it.
Speaker 1:No, it's all in line. Basically, I'm thinking that, while on the bottom say it publicly because I want at least one of my sleeves done before this summer.
Speaker 2:So when you get here Before the summer, I'm like dude, that's like you got like four weeks.
Speaker 1:Yeah, when you get in your stuff, let me know.
Speaker 3:Okay, will do Because you did what I wanted.
Speaker 1:You did a banger job on my squid.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I like that one a lot. It looks great. Have you seen the photo?
Speaker 1:No, we'll insert photo Flashback photo of squid.
Speaker 3:I'm trying to get my next sleeve to be an elk tattoo on my you gotta kill one first.
Speaker 2:Yeah, you have to kill one. You can't get an elk tattoo.
Speaker 1:Do you know what I'm gonna do for my house decorations? What's that?
Speaker 2:Oh, that's sick as fuck. Yeah, that's a good tattoo. Right, that's a great tattoo. He did a good job.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's really good dude, but you know the digital taxidermist Mm-hmm. I think I want to get my bowl from this year and a photo template from him for a decoration in the house, because I have a roommate moving out with a lot of decorations, so I need to redecorate my house. That'd be sweet.
Speaker 2:Maybe a Hunt Swiftly flag. I'll buy one. I'm not going to say anything. There's some merch coming down the pipe.
Speaker 1:Yes, we got merch coming soon here.
Speaker 2:We got stickers. We got a bunch of hats the hats. I'm super excited there's a website being worked on right now. Yeah, so if you see us out and about, I usually have stickers in my backpack. It's like the challenge place. Yeah, 100%. We got a bunch of stickers at TAC.
Speaker 1:I'll have a bunch of hats with me yeah, we, oh, like I said in the last podcast, have you posted that podcast yet? No, okay, so this will be posted, probably before that podcast. It will, yeah. So if you come up to us and recognize us and say what's up to us, we'll give you a little some swag. Yeah, we'll give you a little some swag. Yeah, some swag to rep, and I think we'll probably be repping our merch as we're shooting tech. Yeah.
Speaker 2:Of course, yeah, and then you'll get one retroactively because you're already here. Hell, yeah. Yeah, I'm thinking we can get some like exclusive stuff for people who've been on the podcast. I'm down. Like what are you thinking, teacher, like a specific logo? Yeah, yeah, specifically that, if you've been on the point, that's the only way you can get that stuff. I dig it, yeah.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I mean I, I yeah Brad's guest Number one. Technically, yeah, hasn't been another, hasn't been another. There hasn't been another, there hasn't been another.
Speaker 3:So yeah, oh yeah, so I'll have to get together again to record one from online then Absolutely.
Speaker 2:And shout you out.
Speaker 1:Definitely yeah, it's fun, it's a fun setup. It's a fun time, mostly with friends. Yeah.
Speaker 2:It's a beautiful thing about it. At the end of the day, that's what it is. You're just hanging out with friends, like-minded individuals that want to do the same stuff. A hundred percent.
Speaker 1:That's kind of what's coming down the pipe for us. In the near future, we'll have more announcements, more talks on the giveaway. Remember, 1,000 subscribers on Instagram is going to open up that giveaway. I think we're going to do it as a random name from the follower list.
Speaker 2:I already looked into that.
Speaker 1:We're going to be vetting out bots, so it's going to be a real person. Obviously, we're not even close yet. This is just a preemptive thing.
Speaker 2:I think we're 40 subscribers. But if you're listening to this somehow, if you found this podcast on whatever podcast medium, follow us on Instagram. Follow us on Instagram Follow us with the podcast.
Speaker 1:Every follow gets us closer to that goal. It gets us closer to that giveaway. Yeah, before we finish up, shout out to Pray Pursuit on Instagram and on Spotify A lot of great content. You'll see me on there a lot right now. Yeah, it is not mine, it is Brad sitting right over here. Give him a shout Comment in his section. Show him your support. I think we're going to finish up now. Thank you very much for listening. We'll be back in a matter of days, I'm sure. Thanks for having me on.
Speaker 2:Absolutely. Thanks for coming. Thanks for hanging out in the dining room.
Speaker 3:Yeah, we'll catch you later.