Spilling Tea with Madam Rosemerta | Prisoner of Azkaban

Listen in as we discuss Harry Potter and the Prisoner of Azkaban Chapter 10 The Marauders Map.  Who knew Fred & George Weasley gifting Harry a new magical item in The Marauders Map so he could go to Hogsmeade would lead to all of this? Madam Rosemerta, Owner of The Three Broomsticks DID NOT DISAPPOINT when it came to getting us all of the hot tea when it comes to Sirius Black, Harry Potter and his ill-fated parents James & Lily Potter! This is personally my favorite episode to date (Koda) and Alicia now has predictions when it comes to Sirius Black and his crimes, and the theorizing is driving her stir crazy! 

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Harry, Sorry I’m Late follows two childhood friends reading, discussing & diving deep into the Wizarding World of Harry Potter for the first time. 

Alicia is entering the wizarding world for the first time, having never read the books or watching the movies, being raised with a strict religious upbringing. A brand new experience and one she is excited to embark upon. 

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Transcript

SPEAKER_00 0:00

Hello, hello, hello, and welcome back to another episode of Harry Sorry. I'm late, Harry Potter Podcast. It's me, Coda.

SPEAKER_02 0:05

And it's me, Alicia.

SPEAKER_00 0:06

And today we are here to talk about my most favorite chapter yet. When I say the mess and the tea that was being spilled, my cup runneth over. Oh my goodness, we're here to talk about Harry Potter and the Prisoner of Azkaban. Chapter 10, The Marauders Map. Oh, like, when I like, who knew all Harry wanted to do was sneak out of Hogwarts to go get some damn candy and honey dukes? And he left with way much more when it comes to his family's history and lore, the betrayal of it all, the backstabbing of it all, the friendship, the death, the decay, the oh, like, oh my. I literally, the second half of this chapter, my mind was just, and like for some like me, obviously knowing like the whole story, like I was still like, oh my god, like with like just getting all this information for the second time now. Again, like for those of you that don't remember, like this is only my second time reading the books all the way through. So like I know the movies way more than I know the books. So like some of this stuff is like it feels like I'm reading it for the first time. So I'm excited to hear your thoughts on it, Alicia, and just for us to break it all the way down. But before we get to all that, Alicia, how are you doing?

SPEAKER_02 1:11

I'm doing okay. I've been sick for the past like three days. So I spent my birthday sick. I am feeling I'm feeling like 50% better. So that's good. And just been hanging out with my dog, my sister, my mom, my family. We had birthday plans that I had to cancel. So my family ended up doing the birthday plans without me, and then they just brought me back the cake, which I thought was really funny. And so they were like FaceTiming me, cutting my cake and shit. But it's okay. I feel I feel okay now.

SPEAKER_00 1:47

Yeah, that sounds lovely. I'm glad that you're enjoying your birthday of sorts, and you still have your uh solo trip coming up that you're gonna do, right?

SPEAKER_02 1:54

Yeah, I think so. I mean, I did go to Ellicate City with my boyfriend, and so that kind of feels like I did my little trip. I know Lisa's solo. We'll see. I don't know. I feel like when you said, like, oh, my cup filleth over or something, that's how I felt when I was going to Elecate City with him, and we just had such a magical day. So I think I'm good. I am having a friend brunch, which I know you're gonna be out of town for, but that's something I'm looking forward to as well. How is life?

SPEAKER_00 2:24

Yeah, no, I'm doing okay. I've this I've been on spring break technically, like no work, no class, anything, just rest and relaxation, and it just felt so good. Like, part of me, I don't know, something about in my brain, when I like spend my days doing nothing or less than I usually do, I feel like I'm just not being productive. But sometimes it's really needed. Like, because when I am not like when I'm about to get back to like work and life and everything in like a few days, and then I'm always so tired and just exhausted and just like craving for a day of being able to do nothing. So, like just having that now, it just feels really nice. But then also part of me is like, you should be doing something. So I don't know, just trying to grapple with that.

SPEAKER_02 3:00

But but also you prayed for days like this, right?

SPEAKER_00 3:04

Literally, I was yearning for a days to just be able to do nothing. So I've been enjoying that, spending a lot of time with my younger sister. I got to see my niece, and just overall, it's nice to uh be around family at times at Strict. But aside from that, by the time you guys are listening to this, the Oscars would have happened the week prior. And you know, as someone that really loves their movies, like I go to the movies a lot. If anyone that knows me knows that if you need to know where I'm at, it's probably at the movies. Um, so I've been following the whole Oscars race and the whole award season with the Emmys and the Actors Awards and the BAFTAs and just all of the awards. Um, so I finally came to culmination with the Oscars, and I just wanted to give a special congratulations to Michael B. Jordan for winning Best Actor in a leading role for Sinners. And I was really hoping that he would win that one, especially just the movie itself is great. His performance is great, and then we had the whole controversy at the BAFTAs and all that stuff. Not that that stuff should influence him winning, but I'm just really glad to be able to have seen him get up there and win that award. And he he's now one of six, maybe seven black men to win the leading actor award. So it's definitely a great achievement and it's great company to keep. And uh, I I saw someone posted a picture of like all the black male actors that have won up until this point, and I kind of saved it to my phone just to have it in my photo album so I can look look at it every now and then as like a little like inspiration. Um and then Ryan Cooler, the director, he didn't win best director, unfortunately, but he won Best Original Screenplay, which is nice. And then the for the first time in Oscar history, a woman won the cinematography award, which has like never been done before. And she won four centers, which was like a huge achievement. Her name is Autumn Gerald Arkpaw. She's the first woman to win the cinematography award, and of course, she's also like a person of color. So that was just great all the way around. And cinematography, for those of you that don't like know specifically, that's just like the way the movie looks in terms of like the shots and the visuals and the all that stuff. And when you watch that movie, it's just it is a marvel to behold. So I'm glad she won for that. And I'll just focus on the positive. I'm not even gonna focus on the negative in terms of people that won that shouldn't have won. Oh, lastly, and I'll say also Jesse Buckley for Hamnet, leading actress in a feature role or whatever. That movie definitely got me a little teary. I had a little misty when I was watching that in theaters, and that's what you go to the movies for to fill things, and that movie was just great all the way around as well. Wow. And yeah, I have nothing else to say about any of the other movies at this time. So yeah, so that was really nice to be able to um enjoy the Oscars in that way. But besides that, yeah, yeah, besides that, I'm doing well. Like I said, my spring work is coming to an end. I'm gonna be leaving Maryland and going back to New York soon. It's crazy that I was here for like a whole week and a half, man. We never got to see each other in person. I know.

SPEAKER_02 5:48

I mean, if we had seen each other, I would have got you sick. I I definitely want to watch Sinners. It's been on my list for a really long time. And I've seen multiple interviews about the process of filming it and how dedicated Michael B. Jordan was to his role. Like, even like how one, like he plays twins, right? Like, not to give too much away, but he like forced dimples in his face that was not prosthetics, that was all acting. Like, how the hell do you do that? And like maintain the role, and he was wearing shoes that were too big for him so that he would have a different gait from one brother than another brother. And I like the choices that he makes and his dedication for his role. I mean, watching him in Creed was really inspiring because you have to do a whole physical transformation for a role like that, and then for him to be so loyal to the director and their relationship blooming over all these years is just really beautiful. So, shout out to everyone that worked on the Sinners film and congratulations for sweeping it up. They said, get Timothy out this bitch. They they turned on that little twink so fast. No, he's not a twink, but they turned on him quick.

SPEAKER_00 6:58

Oh my goodness, how quickly you how what is it? How quickly you fall or you know, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 7:03

The quicker you rise, the harder you fall. Something like that.

SPEAKER_00 7:06

But he did have a little, you know, partly I was like, I don't know if his hubris during this whole press, this whole war season was because of the movie that he was promoting. Because his character in that movie is a very like determined, like, I'm going to succeed no matter what, and I'm gonna get mine. So I don't know if he was trying to like kind of emulate that in his press and stuff, and maybe he just flew too close to the sun with those final comments about ballet and opera and stuff like that. And that's from like the nail in his coffin. He is a white man, he's a white male actor, he'll be okay, like he will work again. He literally has Dune coming out this summer or like at the end of this year, and I'm sure he'll have many more roles. So, like, I'm gonna don't cry for me, Argentina. He will be okay. In this moment, they were just whacking him left and right. And I was talking to my friend about it. We were texting while we were watching the Oscars when it aired, and it was like, me personally, I don't know if I would have came to the awards as Timothy, like, knowing that I'm probably not gonna win. I'm gonna be the butt of a lot of jokes now because of what I said. Like, I don't know, it's like I guess then people will be calling you cowardly for not showing up or whatever, but I don't know, like I'm not gonna show so y'all can cloud me all the time.

SPEAKER_02 8:05

And then you gotta show up with Kylie.

SPEAKER_00 8:12

But yeah, but yeah, so I don't know. And the votes for the Oscars were already in before the whole thing came out, so that didn't affect him winning or not, but it didn't, I'm sure it didn't help in the long term. But yeah, so Timmy will be okay. Shout out to the Sinners cast and yeah, and but uh Hamnet and Jesse Buckley and everything. And yeah, so now what happened Oscar night? I was sitting there watching the Oscars, and I got a letter into our um inbox, the Harry Sarumlate Podcasts inbox, and it was a letter from a listener. And when I tell you I read it and I was like kicking my feet like a little schoolgirl, I was like, oh my god, this is the sweetest letter to date. I was so happy to get like it brought the biggest smile to my face. When I tell you guys, when you guys sent in letters, like the feeling that just comes over me is just like overwhelming of like joy and like goodness, because it just it reminds me that people are listening. Like I know people are listening because like statistically, like we can see the numbers and like we know people are listening, but when we were able to put names and faces to the listeners, it's just like a different feeling. So without further ado, Alyssia, give you the honors of reading this listener letter that we got from one of our loyal listeners.

SPEAKER_02 9:23

All right. So it reads, Hi guys, I just wanted to say I love the podcast. My boyfriend and I have been listening since the beginning. We are long distance, and our third anniversary is coming up on March 24th. We listen to your episodes and discuss them during some of our calls during the week. Harry Potter was a conversation point on our very first date, and we still read the books together. Shout out to Noah. Tell him I love him for me. Thanks for the humor and personality you both bring. We think each episode gets better than the last, largely due to the sweet friendship that you two share. Sending love and looking forward to the next one, Kendra. So, Noah, if you're listening to this episode, first off, you got a good one in this lady. Because like I cried reading this, okay? Like, you know, you're lucky to be dating Kendra, and I need you to know this, Noah, on a cellular level. But in all seriousness, congratulations on three years. Happy anniversary to you too. We're sending you lots of love right on back, and we hope that no distance can ever break your bond. Shout out to Kendra and Noah.

SPEAKER_00 10:33

Yes.

SPEAKER_02 10:34

I love it. I love, love, love it. How sweet. How I would never even think to do something like that. And like, this woman loves you, Noah.

SPEAKER_00 10:46

What? Oh, I don't know if you said this, Kendra, that I don't know if like this is part of the anniversary gift or not, but I feel like this episode now is going to be part of your anniversary gift too, Noah, getting the shout out. Because, like, you know, uh, so just to know that we are part of someone's uh relationship history and whatnot, it's just it's a beautiful thing. Who would have thought?

SPEAKER_02 11:05

It really is. So thank you for sending in that listener owl. And we're gonna be introducing a new segment that we hope that you guys can participate in, anyone listening in. And it's gonna be called Help Me Headwagina. So send any inquiries that you have of any help that you need in your life, whether it's your love life, whether it's career advice, whatever it may be, and see if Headwagina can help you. So send those inquiries in with the subject line, Help Me Headwagina, to the email address that we have.

SPEAKER_00 11:38

And yeah, the emails are in the description of every episode. And yeah, like Alicia said, like family issues, relationship issues, work issues, uh friendship squabbles, anything you can think of that you might want to get a little help from your two best friend podcasters here, send us in an email. We'd love to help you out. And yeah, that'll be a very fun segment to kind of start some episodes off with. So yeah, well, we're looking forward to hearing from you guys. Lastly, before we get started with this episode, now look, we're probably gonna be here. I think I mentioned before that one of these days we're gonna have an episode that's like an hour and a half. I feel like this might be one of those episodes because we got a lot to discuss. But the final thing I want to say before we started is I think two episodes back when I said that we're gonna talk about chapter eight and chapter nine together, and we didn't end up doing that because the episode was getting long, there was something that I referenced that I want to talk about. And you know how in chapter nine, Dumbledore pulled out the purple uh sleeping bag so every all the students could sleep in the great hall because Sirius Black was on the loose allegedly. I was thinking back to in Sorcerer's Stone when the troll was in the dungeon, and I made the whole gripe about how why would Dumbledore send the students back to their dorms while there's a troll going about in the school, why did he keep them on the great hall? And it's just crazy to me. I'm like, I felt like Dumbledore heard my complaints. Maybe someone sent them up to Hogwarts something because then for it to come full circle now in this book, where instead of him sending the students back up to their dorms, they kept he kept them in the Great Hall. Oh well, you know, now that I'm thinking about it, okay. I guess it's a little bit different because the students were already at their dorms, and that's when they discovered that Sirius Bike was trying to get in, and all the students got sent to the Great Hall to stay there overnight. So it's a little bit different now that I'm thinking about on it in this moment. But the point still stands that in Sorcerer's Stone, I think he now and now that I know he has the ability to make the Great Hall into a sleeping facility, he definitely should have done something like that in Sorcerer's Stone. So, okay, whatever. I just wanted to note that I noted that connection. I was like, hmm, interesting. But yeah, okay. We've got all of our housekeeping out of the way. Shout out to you, Kendra and Noah. Shout out to the Sinners for winning all the things at the awards show. Timothy Chalamet, you will be okay. Uh, make sure to go on and send us um emails at Harry Shalomley Podcast at gmail.com for our new segment, help me head ogina. And without further ado, let's now go ahead and jump right on into Harry Potter and the Prisoner of Azkaban, chapter 10, The Marauders Map.

SPEAKER_02 14:03

All right, so as we learned in the last chapter, Harry fell off his broom during the Quidditch match and had to go get rushed into the infirmary. Harry spent the remainder of his weekend there with Madame Pomfrey, making sure to keep an eye on her, not to throw away any of the remnants of his very damaged Nimbus 2000. Although he has its ashes, he felt like his best friend died. And like Harry loves that broom so much, so I know that really hurt his heart. Thankfully, though, Harry has had plenty of visitors to get him through this tough time. Haggard brought him some cabbage equivalent, Jenny Weasley made him a get well card, and the Gryffindor team visited this time with team captain Oliver Wood and Toe, who mentions to Harry how he doesn't blame him for the loss. Which no shit. Like the dementors were after him. He also fell 60 feet. Like those comments were unnecessary, but it's it's as if Oliver Wood was doing him a favor. Like, oh, don't blame me.

SPEAKER_00 15:14

I feel like it was Oliver Wood's guilty conscience because he probably knew in the back of his mind that it looked bad that he wasn't there for Harry post-injury, and like and just he wasn't showing up as in the way that a team captain should. So he felt like he needed to say out of his mouth that he didn't blame him. Like, yeah, Harry's not to blame. But you just needed to get that off your chest because people are looking at you sideways, like, what type of team captain are you? I'm not done whacking him yet because I didn't like his behavior, but yeah, so and you whacked him on the last episode for that.

SPEAKER_02 15:44

So uh that's a good insight. So Ron was the most loyal out of all the visitors and only left when it was dinner time. Harry was keeping a big secret from Ron and Hermione. They knew of the Dementors, but they didn't know that he also spotted a Grim once again. And the problem with the Grim is that it's actually really getting to Harry at this point. Because the first time he saw the Grim was at Magnolia Crest and he almost got ran over by the night bus. The next time he just saw it in a book, but then he saw another grim in person at the Quidditch match and then fell almost to his death. So he's getting worried about this, rightfully so. He was also really scared of the Dementors because it seems like he's the only one out of all the students to get this affected. We had mentioned that the Dementors were causing him to hear voices. And I even guess, okay, maybe it was his mom's voice, and maybe Voldemort's voice. And now that he's been by himself and he hears the voices again, it's confirmed. It's definitely his mom's voice, and it's definitely Voldemort's laugh, like an evil laugh that he hears. Come Monday, Harry is out of the infirmary, thankfully, and he's very relieved to go back to classes. Draco is magically recovered from his, at this point, fake injuries, and he goes right back to making fun of Harry, even imitating him falling off the broom, which is so classless.

SPEAKER_00 17:16

Like your cowardly ass didn't want to play Quidditch in those bad conditions, so you continue to nurse your injury, and then you have the audacity to make fun of someone who did have the courage to go play in those conditions and got hurt. Like, I feel like it's been like two or three months at this point since this whole Buckpeak incident at the beginning of this book. So, like, and it was a scratch, it wasn't even like a broken bone or anything. So, like he's definitely been milking it for all it's worth, but he's finally been healed. Ciao.

SPEAKER_02 17:44

And it's not like it's not like the trio was making fun of Draco for his injury. They were actually concerned. They could have been like, oh, yeah. They were actually concerned. Yeah, they were concerned, they were showing humanity. So Draco is in potions with the trio, and he's been persistent about being annoying towards Harry, and Ron has had it. He takes crocodile heart that they've been using in class and just flings it at Rico. And although at Draco, sorry, and although Snape deducts 50 points from I know my dog. I was thinking of Rico. And although Snape deducts 50 points from Ron's Gryffindor house, I say that that was well worth it.

SPEAKER_00 18:26

Absolutely. I'll take it.

SPEAKER_02 18:31

After lunchtime, Ron threatens to off himself if Snape is gonna be the substitute again for the defense against the dark arts. And Hermione goes in to check to see who's teaching, and thankfully they see Lupin, who is still looking pretty ill. It looks like his clothes are too big for him and he has sunken eyes. Much like how I look right now after this fucking sickness. The class starts, and instantly the students are telling him how much they hated Substitute Severus, saying that his homework was really unfair, like having to do two parchment papers worth of the werewolf assignment. And Professor kind of laughs us off and is like, oh, don't worry about it. I'll talk to him, and you don't have to do the assignment anymore. Hermani's like, uh-uh, uh-uh. I did the assignment anymore.

SPEAKER_00 19:23

Of course you did, Hermani, girl. Like you did, but the rest of your class didn't. So can you just like relax? Like, it's okay, Hermani. Like, uh-huh, like, uh-uh uh, like she's one of those, like, oh, you forgot to collect the homework as students, or like, you know, like people like, like, like very bad. Like, oh my goodness. But I'm glad Lupin saw reason. Like, he even asked him, like, did Snape know that we didn't, I haven't taught you about where else yet? And all the students are like, yes, like we were trying to tell him, like, I just love how they're in such an uproar or a Snape scenario gets, and Lupin's just like, don't even worry about it. You don't have to do the assignment. Like, I just love Lupin so much.

SPEAKER_02 19:59

He seems super nice. And even the class says, like, it was a great day for the class. Lupin even brought in a it's called a hanky pank in this glass box. It's a one-legged creature that looks really frail and holds a lantern that tricks travelers into something called bogs.

SPEAKER_00 20:19

Yeah, I don't really understand this creature, so we can just go on.

SPEAKER_02 20:24

Okay. On to the next class is dismissed, and Lupin pulls Harry to the side. Lupin tells Harry, Hey, I've heard about that Quidditch incident, and I'm really sorry about your broom kiddo. Maybe it can be fixed? And Harry says, definitely cannot be fixed as the womping willow got to it. Lupin smiles and says, Wow, that tree was planted when I was in school, and a kid nearly lost his eye trying to go near it. That broom would stand no chance. Harry, who is starting to open up more to Lupin just in general, it seems like he really has an admiration for him, confides in Lupin and says, Did you hear that the Dementors were in attendance at that match? Lupin's energy shifts for he kind of gets more hesitant and he says, Yes, and he had never seen Dumbledore that angry. Dementors apparently have grown very restless and they're not happy that Dumbledore does not give them permission to enter Hogwarts. Lupin asks if the Dementors are the reason why Harry fell off his broom, and Harry says yes, but conveniently leaves out that he also saw the grim. Harry asks why these things affect him so strongly, and he sound seems to be really frustrated when he asks this, but Lupin assures him kid, this has nothing to do with weakness. There are simply horrors in your past that no one else has. Trauma around the world.

SPEAKER_00 21:57

I mean, it's not everyone that passes out and explains. Is what Harry's experiencing because like remember from the train car when the Dementor came, it was only Harry that passed out and started seizing stuff like that. And again on the Quidditch match for everyone else, then you're gonna get to like how Lupin describes the dementors, but for everyone else, it's just it's bad feeling, but it's not as OC as it is when it comes to Harry. So yeah.

SPEAKER_02 22:20

Right. It's unpleasant. Whereas with Harry, it's like all consumed.

SPEAKER_00 22:26

And it makes sense knowing, like, as Lupin is explaining, like, you've gone through some shit and the dementors are just like feeding on that.

SPEAKER_02 22:33

So Andy's gone through some shit at such a young age, like to be one year old and have such a traumatic moment in front of you, that shit locks into your nervous system. So you can always tap into that trauma if you don't heal through it. Like you said, Lupin describes more about the Dementors, and he says that Dementors glory in despair, they thrive in darkness, and all happiness is vanished around you. They will leave you with the worst experiences of your life. And he tells Harry, don't be ashamed. Harry opens up more and tells him that the Dementors when they were close, he could hear his mom crying in Voldemort laugh. Why did they have to come to this match? And Lupin says, Hun, they got hungry. Their supply, which is human prey, has been super low since they come to the school. But that Quidditch game was an opportunity. It was essentially a cookout for them. Lupin says, Yes. Who needs security when no prisoner is capable of a cheerful thought around the Dementors? He's like, that is so eerie. And it reminded me of the Seacot prison in El Salvador and how terrible the conditions are there. And like they have to have their heads shaved at all times. They never turn the lights off. There are so many men in such a small space, and there's like no joy, there's no room for joy there. There's no room for happiness. And I just I know that prison reform is a really big uh issue for people, and I feel like we should do a better job of maintaining humanity, no matter who it's to. And I don't know, something about that just kind of made me have that little like uncomfortable feeling. Like I really think that people need to care more about prisoners because they're humans at the end of the day. And prison reform and like educational programs are so important because just because you've messed up doesn't mean that that's the rest of your life.

SPEAKER_00 24:54

Yeah. Sorry. Yeah. No, you're good.

SPEAKER_01 24:57

What were you gonna say?

SPEAKER_00 24:59

I agree with you to a certain extent. But I also feel like for some people, depending on why they're in there, sometimes you may feel like they don't deserve to be treated as if they're just another human, depending on their crime, especially if it's a violent one or one that resulted in your loved one being killed or something like that. Did they see your loved one as a human when they did what they did? And I don't know. I know one like we're all like you said, we are all human, and no one has a right to be judged during execution or whatever. Um, yeah, I think at the bare minimum, like people should be treated like humanely. But I think sometimes if you start to go think about it with some nuance, it gets a little gray. But yeah, and you said, what's the name of the prison? It's called present day where there are people oh in El Salvador, right? I think I've seen some images of the case.

SPEAKER_02 25:56

Yeah, that's the one where Trump sold prison, like prison. He sold prisoners that were not even from El Salvador, like a bunch of people from Venezuela.

SPEAKER_00 26:08

I know, I know I know some people from El Salvador, and I know there's crime everywhere, but I know they say sometimes in El Salvador the crime is like really, really, really like OC and bad. And like some El Salvadorians, I'm not gonna speak for them, but they're like celebrating the crackdown on the crime with like getting all these people and putting them away or whatever, because just like community-wise, like it's been so bad living there or whatever. But I don't know what I'm trying to say right now, but I I see your point, but I just wanted to give a little I don't want to say devil's advocate, but just a little not a retort, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 26:43

And there's also another prison in El Salvador, I forgot the name though, and they specialize in reformation programs. So Seacon is like the most extreme prison, but they do have another prison where they have like educational like offers to them. And I know here in the States they'll often rehab stray dogs and like have prisoners train them and like get them ready for adoption. So just to push back on my own point I just made.

SPEAKER_00 27:15

And even like in the more I don't know, is it European countries or like New Zealand or Sweden, like their prisons, have you ever seen uh videos or documentaries on their prisons? Their prisons are way more leaning towards like re rehabilitation and reform. Like their prisons, they don't look like cold and dreary, they look like a a sleepaway camp or something. And like those people, like they too could have committed violent acts or whatever, but they're just leaning towards more of the reform side, and sometimes they're able to come out and be productive members of society again. And I feel like sometimes that's because of the way that they are punished or you know, having to serve their time or whatever. So it's just interesting how different countries look at prison reform and rehabilitation and all that stuff. I was a criminal justice and criminology major in college. I admit in global terrorism too. Once upon a time, I was gonna do federal law enforcement before I found the arts, but um, but so I took classes on criminology and criminal justice and prisons and all that stuff. So I still have some of that tucked away up here. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 28:13

Tucked away, yeah. Do you I know this we're on a tangent, but do you remember the Michael Jackson They Don't Really Care About Us music video? And he went to a prison in the Philippines and they they learned the dance, and like that was a really cool video, too. So going back to the conversation between Harry and Professor Lupin, Harry asks, How did Sirius Black escape with all the Dementors? And Lupus nervously says he must have found a way to fight the Dementors. Harry then recounts how Lupin fought off one Dementor that was attacking him on the Hogwarts train. Lupin says, Yes, I did fight off one, but the more there are, the harder it is to resist them. Harry boldly asks Lupin, Can you teach me how to fight the Dementors? Lupin agrees, but also tells Harry, I'm sick right now, and I won't be able to teach you till next turn. With this ray of hope, Harry's mood elevates completely, and all throughout the month of December, he feels pretty good. He's no longer sad about losing the Quidditch match, and Wood has gone back to his manic and passionate speeches. They can't afford to lose another game, but he doesn't think that they will. Dumbledore's anger has also kept the Dementors at bay with no other incidents.

SPEAKER_00 29:42

Um I just really wanted to touch back quickly on the Dementors again and the way Lupin was describing it and how they just like steal the joy out of the room and all that stuff. And he said that muggles can even feel it too, but obviously they can't see them. But sometimes for muggles, it's like those feelings of sadness or depression. I I feel like it's like the human. I think the author, JK, actually describes the dementors in the muggle world as like depression, like those moments or those periods of time where you can't get out of bed. Um, you feel like there's I don't want to say life's not worth living, but I don't know. I I personally haven't really been affected by depression, thankfully. Or maybe not to the extent that other people have, but I feel like in those moments, it feels like there's like a dementor that you can't see.

SPEAKER_02 30:27

It's just like completely it's like a cloud over you, a cloud of despair.

SPEAKER_00 30:32

Yeah. Have you seen you've seen the Twilight movies? Or you said you saw the first one? Oh, you know when Bella's sitting in the chair and like she's just sitting there and time is just going by and it's just like the seasons are changing or whatever. People say that's that's like a really good visual of like depression. And I feel like there's just there's just like a dementor hovering over her, just like taking all of her will to live, so to speak. So yeah, I just wanted I just want to touch on that because it's just an interesting for the wizard community, they can see the dementors, they can kind of fight back against it, they can like go the other way. But for us muggles, um, it's kind of just like, damn, like you have to find your own way, your own magic to kind of fight back against the dementors and whatever that is, whether it's getting sunlight or exercising or being around family and friends or whatever. So I just I just think the whole idea of Dementors is a very interesting concept, and the parallel to the human muggle world is also very interesting.

SPEAKER_02 31:22

Thanks for bringing that up. Because you're right.

SPEAKER_00 31:24

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 31:25

So now this is months later, we're in December, and we're in Professor Flitwick's class, who is the charms teacher. He has decorated his class for Christmas with shimmering lights, which are actually real fairies. In the class, the trio starts to discuss their Christmas plans, and Hermione and Ron are conveniently staying at Hogwarts during the season, and Harry knows that it's because they're scared for him. So they're good friends, and Harry doesn't say anything, but he knows. Like, I know it's because of me.

SPEAKER_00 31:58

That's so sweet of them. I love their friendship so bad. Like, who like to stay at school over the holiday season to be with your friend who one doesn't have a family to go back to, unfortunately. But also to just be there, you know, keep an eye out for him as someone's trying to kill him. Like, you can't have better friends than these two right here. And the fact that both their parents are understanding also of like, I'm not coming home for the holidays, I want to stay at Hogwarts with Harry, like a shout out to the Especially Hermione's parents who are not part of the magical world.

SPEAKER_02 32:25

It's like, oh, good for y'all.

SPEAKER_00 32:27

She's like, what do you mean you're not coming home because you need to stay at school to watch over your friend that's being killed by chased by a notorious murdering wizard?

SPEAKER_02 32:38

So it's now the last weekend of their first term, and there's another Hogsmeat plan, Hogsmeat trip plan. Hermione is really excited to get her Christmas shopping there, and Ron is excited as well. Harry accepts that he can't go, and Oliver Wood gave him this Quidditch broom book, and he's gonna be setting up on his new broom that he's using, but it's actually a very ancient broom called the Ancient Shooting Star. So Harry's gonna use the time to figure out how to run that. After seeing his friends Ron and Hermione off, Harry runs into a rambunctious duo known as Fred and George. They are extra excited to see Harry, which is usually a very suspicious thing considering this is them we're talking about. They said that they've come to Harry to give him a bit of what they call festive cheer before they head to Hogsmeade. They usher him into an empty classroom and hand him an early Christmas present, which is a large, plain, extra worn-out piece of parchment. This is the secret of our success, they tell Harry, and they recognize that Harry needs this more than they do. Plus, they have the contents of this present memorized. Harry's very confused and says, Why do I need this old parchment for? George goes right into explaining that in their first year they got in trouble by letting out a it's like a dumb bomb, which I think is probably like a stink bomb for Americans in the hallway. Filch sent them to his room for punishment, and as he was explaining their punishment to them, they noticed a cabinet marked confiscated and highly dangerous. Naturally, the twins, without even saying anything, one twin set off another bomb to distract Filch, and the other twin grabbed something from the confiscated and highly dangerous cabinet, and they think that Filch never knew how to work it, but they quickly figured it out. With his wand, George taps the paper and states, I solemnly swear that I am up to no good. In great curly green words, began to spill out Messrs, Mooney, Warmtail, Patfoot, and Prawns. Purveyors of aged magical misfit makers are proud to present the Maruders Map.

SPEAKER_00 35:13

Hold on, hold on, hold on.

SPEAKER_01 35:15

I feel like I butchered the mess out of that.

SPEAKER_00 35:18

No, no, no. I will say the fonts of this, as it as it's written in the book, the fonts is a little hard to read, like the cursive, just a little bit. Like I was even trying to like make it out what it says. But yeah, no, you uh just the pronunciation is the marauder.

SPEAKER_03 35:34

Marauders map.

SPEAKER_00 35:35

Yeah, yeah, you gotta open open up the map. The marauders map, yeah. Rhoda R. Sounds good.

SPEAKER_02 35:43

And this map shows every detail of the Hogwarts ground, which is pretty cool. But I think the coolest part is that there's little dots on the map that are starting to move. And Harry quickly notices that it says the names Professor Dumbledore or Mrs. Norris or Peev. So it's tracking the locations of the alum. That's crazy.

SPEAKER_00 36:07

Everybody's uh it's a great, great invention.

SPEAKER_02 36:11

And Harry also notices a set of passages he had never entered, including one that leads into Hogsmead, screams Fred.

SPEAKER_00 36:22

Freedom.

SPEAKER_02 36:23

And they I feel like the twins had mentioned to Harry before, like, we could get you to Hogsmeade. We know the secret passageways.

SPEAKER_00 36:31

Oh yeah. So they were dropping that gem.

SPEAKER_02 36:36

The twins then explain some pathways they are sure that no one else knows about, and they recommend to take this particular path which would lead Harry into the cellar of Honey Dukes, which is inside Hogsmeade. The twins said that they have used this loads of time and that they're actually standing right at the entrance point. They point out to the four names on the map Mooney, Wormtail, Patfoot, and Prawns, and say, We owe these noble men for helping a new generation of lawbreakers. And I love that even outlaws give credit where it's due. They're like, listen, we didn't invent this, and like, God bless these men.

SPEAKER_00 37:14

You gotta pay respects to the mischief people bought before us, too.

SPEAKER_02 37:17

And who knows? Who knows who's gonna pay respects for Fred and George? Because I know that they have left a mark on Hogwarts.

SPEAKER_00 37:26

That's a great point.

SPEAKER_02 37:27

I I really like them. As if growing older, I feel like first off, they're never malicious. Um, which I I appreciate, because they could be, and and they're not, and they're really creative and fun, and they spark like playfulness in anything around them.

SPEAKER_00 37:45

Yeah. So yeah, we're here to get our education, but we're gonna have a good time while we're doing it, and like harmless fun, like pranks here and there, getting on their brother's nerves. Like, I don't know. Yeah, I agree. I really like Fred and George also, and I also just you can see the distinction between all the brothers. Like, Percy's about his business, head boy, he's on the up and up to become someone at the Ministry of Magic. Ron's kind of like, or and then Fred and George who are just like here for a good time, and then you have um Ron, who's kind of just I don't even know how to describe Ron at this point, but Harry's best friend. Oh no. Who's loyal?

SPEAKER_01 38:16

He defends his friends, loyal and ready to fight if needed.

SPEAKER_00 38:20

And then you have Ginny, who's minding her second-year business, still recovering from the last book. And who's the sweetheart?

SPEAKER_02 38:26

She handwrote that card for for Harry to get well. Like she's she's caring, kind. So with this gift, they do leave Harry with a warning, and that is once you're finished with it, you must wipe it clean. You must say, mischief has been managed, and it will erase everything. Because if this gets into the wrong hands, you're fucked. They tell him they'll see him at Hogsmead and leave him to it.

SPEAKER_00 38:54

Leave him to it, they do because I mean, between now the invisibility cloak that he got, I think in his first year, and then now this gift is basically a map showing you where everyone is at all times. Like, it's like he could literally do whatever he wants at Hogwarts for the rest of his days. Like, throw, imagine him throwing that cloak on and like, oh, Mr. Filch is like over here, but I need to go over here. Like, it's truly great combination. Like, shout out to Fred and George for bestowing this upon him and helping our boy out in terms of just being able to get some freedom from Hogwarts Castle. Yes. So, what McGonagall won't do for him, or what anyone else won't do for him in terms of that sign letter, Fred and George said, Don't worry, I got you. So, so now with Harry having this new gift of the Marauders map bestowed upon him by the Weasley twins, before Harry takes any further action, he thinks of what Mr. Weasley once said to him to never trust anything that can think for itself if you can't see where it keeps its brain, which is a great quote. I love it. Which would most definitely apply in this case because this map is like literally like a living magical object, similar to Tom Riddle's diary from the last book. So I think that's kind of where Harry was like thinking about like, oh, I don't know about this map. And it didn't help that it was labeled for magical mischief makers. So all that's kind of like in the back of Harry's mind. But Harry reasons all that away because he knows his intentions are innocent and harmless, as all he really wants to do is just go to Hogsmead and be with his friends, not steal or harm anyone. And this map would now allow for that for him to be able to go to Hogsmead. Plus, Fred and George have been using it for all these years without incident. So Harry's like, you know what? I should be fine. Like, thank you, Mr. Weasley, but I'm using this map. Um, but I do like that they gave him that warning of make sure you clear it with Mischief Manage after you're done using it. Because again, if it did fall into the wrong hands, for instance, like Sears Black or someone, then he would really be able to like get Harry's ass because he would know exactly where Harry is at all times. So they really have to, Harry has to really be careful with this map. So one thing leads to another, and with some help of the Martyr's map, revealing the spell Descendium, that's the spell that is needed to move the statue of the One Eyed Witch out of the way. Harry now enters this unlocked corridor and makes his way to Hogsmead. After what felt like ages, with many twists and turns and lots and lots of steps, his head finally hits something hard and it's a trap door. He has arrived at the cellar of Honey Dukes. Now, Harry is hearing the commotion of the store, people coming in and out, and even hears the store owner sending someone down to the cellar to get another box of jelly slugs, citing that like the students are clearing them out, which I guess is good. Business is booming. So Harry's able to navigate up, out of the passageway, into the cellar, and then up to the storefront counter, and he comes out from behind the storefront counter without being seen. He straightens himself up and he makes it look as if he was supposed to be there the whole time. Thankfully, I, you know, when when I when they noted that like he'd finally arrived, Honey Dukes, I just thought of like Neene Leaks and like from Real Housewives of Atlanta. She's like, I have arrived in the spotlight on me. Uh when she was like making her big break in Hollywood, like he was like, Finally, I made it to Honey Dukes. I wasn't able to go the first time for Halloween, but look, where there's a world, there's a way. So shout out to Harry for being here now. Um but thankfully, Honey Dukes was so crowded with Hogwarts students that no one paid Harry any mind. Harry not being able to take Honey Dukes fully in, he's like laughing and thinking to himself at the thought of a pig to face Dudley getting to see this. When I tell you the store was giving like Willy Wonka Factory, Harry Potter edition, like all kinds of candies and sweets and treats, just like his chef's kiss. Alyssa, do you have you said you've been to Universal before?

SPEAKER_02 42:23

Yes, when I was younger, so I don't really remember.

SPEAKER_00 42:27

Okay, yeah, you were young, and then obviously you hadn't read the books or seen the movies at the time. So, but when we do go back, because we will be going, child, group group trip, including the listeners.

SPEAKER_03 42:36

Kendra, whatever.

SPEAKER_00 42:39

Kendra, no one, let's go.

SPEAKER_03 42:41

Fourth anniversary.

SPEAKER_00 42:43

But when we do go back, um, Honey Dukes is one of those stores that you can go into on Vlog TV, and it's cool.

SPEAKER_01 42:48

Let's hit up Mama Does.

SPEAKER_00 42:49

You have a good time. Yes. So Harry spots Ron and Hermione over by a section of Honey Duke's named Unusual Taste, and he hears them discussing whether Harry would like blood-flavored lollipops or cockroach clusters. To which Harry takes a moment to surprise them and jump into the conversation and say, definitely not to both.

SPEAKER_01 43:07

They're like, what the hell are you doing here?

SPEAKER_00 43:11

Like, completely throwing Ron and Hermani off. Ron nearly drops the jar he's holding in shock of seeing Harry. Like, Harry's, I like his silly side. Like, he's like, let me pop up and that's something you would do.

SPEAKER_01 43:21

Surprise. He would just pop up like that.

SPEAKER_00 43:24

No, literally. Okay, so. Hermione is shocked, of course, immediately asking what Harry's doing here. Ron makes a joke of it, impressed that Harry has learned how to operate, to which Harry refused. And operating again is just being able to like teleport basically. He goes on to quietly explain to them his new gift of the Marauders map given to him by Fred and George. So which Ron takes issue with as to why it wasn't given to him as he's their brother. Child, Harry, you may be their brother, but Harry is the boy who lived, the chosen one. Okay. Like, so please. Um, so now here goes Hermione. Hermione, just ease up. My God.

SPEAKER_02 43:58

She does have a point.

SPEAKER_00 44:01

Oh okay. Oh well let me explain Hermani's points. Alicia's on Hermani's cyber one shot. Okay. So here goes Hermione saying that Harry isn't going to keep it, of course, and he'll be turning it over to McGonagall. To which Harry is like, well, no. And of course, Ron agrees, stating that Hermione is mad to turn in something so good and so beneficial. Harry asks to his objection of turning it in, that if he does turn it in, he'll have to say where he got it from. And Filch would know that Fred and George stole it from him. So then Hermione then tries to Sears Black defense, saying that Sears Black could be using, could use one of the secret passageways to access the castle, and the professors must be told. And Harry refuses this also, explaining that out of the seven secret passageways that are shown on the map, four of them are known to Filch, so they probably have those being defended and watched. One is caved in, as was told to Harry by Fred and George, and one leads to the Womping Willow. And girl, no one is going near that Womping Willow either way, so that one's a dead end. And then finally, the one that Harry used is the one that leads to Honey Dukes. Now Harry doesn't really have a good excuse to Sears Black like accessing the one that the same one he did from Hogwarts to Honey Dukes, besides that it's being hard to like see, and he'd have to know about it, which then Ron promptly speaks up and is like points to the sign by the entrance that by by the store entrance that was put there by the Ministry of Magic stating that the mentors will be patrolling the store and Hogs Meet as a whole at nighttime. So until Sears Black is captured. So the chances of Sirius Black trying to enter are slim. Plus, the store owners live right above the store, so they'd hear of like someone trying to break into the store to access the cellar and the passery and all that stuff. Now Hermione is now like stuttering, trying to find another reason as to why Harry shouldn't be here. She brings up Harry's lack of a sign form. Girl, like no one gives a fuck about a side form. Like, please, like fuck that side form. And adding, she's such a rule follower. Oh my god. And then adding to the fact that it's not nightfall yet. So Sears Black could try to get him during the day right now. And Ron notes that in this like horrible snowy weather, like he probably wouldn't even be able to see Harry as well as the fact that like there's so many people here, like it'll be hard to make Harry out. Hermione's still worried, he's like all out of reasons. And Harry cheekly asks if she will report him, to which Hermione responds, of course not. She's about to share more concern when Ron pulls Harry away to show him all the cool candy and treats of the store. Ron's like, child, anyways, like I've had enough. Like, come on, let's have some fun. So Ron shows Harry like the fizzing whisbies and the jelly slugs and the acid pops. The latter is acid pop. Um, Ron says that Fred gave him one when he was seven and it burnt a hole right through Ron's tongue. Now I don't know if that was an exaggeration or not, but Ron says that he remembers Molly whooping Fred so badly with her broomstick. So it must have been bad. Very Molly Weasley. Um Molly. I'm who knew that white people get uh got getting whooped, chat.

SPEAKER_01 46:51

The Irish, they get hit. I think it depends on the coaching.

SPEAKER_00 46:56

Yeah, yeah, that's true. So Ron and Hermani finish making their purchases at Honey Deuce and they step out into the winter snow. Now let's go back to this uh you thinking that Hermani has a point.

SPEAKER_02 47:07

Okay, so when I interrupted you, I forgot that she was saying to bring the map to the alum. I think maybe he could bring it to Lupin. Because I don't think Lupin would have like turned it in, but just have someone be aware of it. Maybe that's too much trust in Lupin. But she does have a point that McGonagall is around, and we'll see that later in the chapter, and they know that he doesn't have the permissions to sign. So you can't excuse that. Like they can't see you, like this cannot be a thing. And I know Harry's like, oh yeah, that won't be, but he doesn't know where they're gonna be.

SPEAKER_00 47:51

I understand Hermione's grief concern. Fuck the sign form shit, like no, because if that's the only like no, fuck that, because Harry's not getting a sign form anytime soon, so fuck that. The serious black of it all, I understand. Like, he is a mass murderer as well, and like shit gets real dicey when it comes to him, so I understand their concern there. I don't know. I don't know. I just want Harry to be with his people. Like, it just really must suck to see your friends and classmates going on a field trip every other weekend and you're just at Hogwarts by yourself. Like, uh, I just want Harry to be with his people. I don't know. I'm a sucker. Danger, danger be damned. I want to be with his people. Okay.

SPEAKER_02 48:27

So I yeah and I love how Ron basically asks no questions. He's like, hey. It's so cool when you go on a vacation, you come home, and like the dog is so happy to see you, but then the cat is like pissed off at you. It's like there's layers to her money. Can't just surprise her. She's gonna she's gonna have to ask you some stuff.

SPEAKER_00 48:44

So and I like how Harry like cheekily was grinning at her money, like, are you gonna turn me again? Like, come on, like, come on, just ease up. So she eases up, thankfully. So as they're now outside, Harry is freezing as he doesn't have winter wear because he wasn't expecting to be in Honey Deukes right now. So he there he's like freezing. They're pointing out the different establishments to Harry because this is his first time here. So they're pointing out the post office. I don't know why the post office is such like a landmark attraction, but they're pointing out the post office, Sonko's joke shop, and even deciding that they should go to visit the Shrieking Shrek, which is like this haunted place that they people have had like there's been decades-long history of people hearing where noise is coming from, this like abandoned building. So they land on going to the Three Broomsticks Inn for some butterbeer and to warm up. Now the inn was noisy, crowded, smoky, and warm, but it felt like very like warm, like it felt like a home. It felt it just felt like comforting to go there. They also describe Hogsbean as very like Christmas town-esque, like as you picture the movies, like just all the in-shaped buildings with the snow on top, and it just it's a very nice place to be around the holidays. So Ron makes note of the curvy woman with a pretty face named Madame Rose Murta and offers to go get their drinks from her as his face turns red. I said, Chad.

SPEAKER_01 49:56

Let me find out he likes him thick.

SPEAKER_00 50:00

So Harry and Hermani, thick and grown. Okay. So because at this, I think in this book, Ron, they're only 14, 14, 15. I think Harry's 12th birthday was in the first book. 14, I think. 13 or 14. So they're still pretty young. So Ron, what do you know about some uh curvy? So Harry and Hermani grab a seat at a small table in the back of the room near a Christmas tree and fireplace, and Ron returns her three large cups, they're described as tankards, of hot butterbeer. Have you had butterbeer before?

SPEAKER_01 50:30

Uh is it like sickly sweet?

SPEAKER_00 50:34

It is. It's like a butterscotch.

SPEAKER_02 50:36

Yeah, I had it taste to it.

SPEAKER_00 50:37

It is pretty sweet, yeah. There's a cold version and a hot version. I haven't had the hot version, but I've had I've had the cold version at Universal a few times. Yeah, maybe I'll post that on my Instagram because the most recent time I went with my uh Black Hurry Butter group.

SPEAKER_01 50:51

Sorry.

SPEAKER_00 50:52

No, you're good. The most recent time I went to Universal with my Black Hurry Butter group, they recorded me like tasting it because I hadn't had it in over a while. So maybe I'll post it on Instagram. I don't know. Uh Harry Sonlate Foster. Okay.

SPEAKER_01 51:02

So And do you like it?

SPEAKER_00 51:03

So I did like it, but it is sweet. I took a few sips. I was like, I feel like I'm so old now. I'm like, I need to water this.

SPEAKER_01 51:09

Or like spike it with something.

SPEAKER_00 51:10

Yeah. Oh well. What would you put? Like cognac, maybe? Uh maybe.

SPEAKER_02 51:17

Um has like caramel.

SPEAKER_00 51:19

Yeah, maybe cognac or a bailey. No, Bailey's will be it'll be too creepy. Yeah, maybe cognac or something. I'm actually 30 days into my cleanse. I haven't drank it. I know. I won't say 30 days sober because that sounds a little like heavy. Because I'm not like doing this for any like extra like you know, dire reason or whatever, but my cleanse, I'm 30 days in, so who knows how long I'll keep this up.

SPEAKER_02 51:41

Especially because you were in New York City, too.

SPEAKER_00 51:44

Cha. Yes, okay. So they do a Christmas toast, and Harry drinks his butterbeer, describing it as the most delicious thing he's ever tasted, warming up every bit of his inside. So that I feel like that's a great opposite feeling to the feeling of Dementors, like where it's like ice cold running through his veins. This butterbeer is like just the opposite of that. So shout out to that. So a breeze enters the room as the door of the three broomsticks is open, and as Harry looks over his cup to see who it is, he damn near chokes on his butterbeer. Sha, not a moment too soon.

SPEAKER_01 52:17

We need a record screech sound right here.

SPEAKER_00 52:23

Like, if I could get a look on Harry's face when this happened, oh my god, it would be like a child that's done something bad and they're about to get caught by their parents, or like a pet even. You know how sometimes pet frees up when they're caught doing something? Mm-hmm. I feel like that was Harry in the street.

SPEAKER_02 52:36

When the pet's face is like in the couch because it doesn't want to look at you.

SPEAKER_00 52:41

Yeah. I really, and one thing I'm excited about, so I don't know if you remember, but they're the TV show's coming out like sometime, I don't know, ended this year, next year. And because you're doing it uh in TV like seasons instead of movies, they're gonna be able to include much more that they weren't able to include in the movies. Because I remember when we watched Roser Stone one of your grips was that like it was so like quick boo-boo-boo-boo-boo boo. So now they're gonna be able to take each episode and be really detailed with it. So this would be like a good scene to be able to like see like Harry's face and all that stuff. So I don't know.

SPEAKER_03 53:09

I'm down to watch the show.

SPEAKER_00 53:11

Yeah, yeah. We'll have to talk with our listeners once that's on the horizon in terms of like if we're gonna cover that. Because at that point, we'll probably be doing the next book and then like also going back to Sorcerer's Stonk. I don't know how we're gonna work that, but we'll cross that bridge when we get there with that. Okay, so of all people, is none other than Professor McGonagall, Professor Flitwick, Professor Hagrid, and Minister of Magic Cornelius Fudge. Like, literally all of the ops. And if you remember from the very beginning of this book, when Harry met uh the Minister of Magic at the leaky cauldron in Diagon Alley, he told Harry to kind of like just stay out of any trouble, whatever. And that's going from like basically the president of the Woods and World to like not only that, but then we have Professor McGonagall, which I feel like Harry should be even more scared of than the Minister of Magic, because like no Professor McGonagall. She does not play literally just all of uh all of um Harry's ops. So, what are the chances? Without a second thought, Ron and Hermione pushed Harry's head down, so he's now like hiding, crouching underneath the table, and he's clutching onto his buddy beer. Of course, to make matters worse, the three professors and the minister of magic decide to sit at the open table right next to their table, like of all the places where they could sit. They decide to sit right next to them. So, of course, Quick Thinker Hermione, she quietly casts a spell mobiliarbis, and that levitates the Christmas tree that was next to them, and it just brings it a little bit closer to them to kind of hide their table from view. So now they're kind of like hidden from view, but they can still like hear what's going on at the table.

SPEAKER_02 54:32

Oh god, which is good for Hermione.

SPEAKER_00 54:34

They're about to thank God for Hermione. Like, she's annoying at times, but one thing about her is she knows her spells, and in that regard, I feel like I would be like Hermione because I think I said this before, but if I found out that I was a wizard and I got to go to this cool wizarding school and like magic exists, I would be the most nerdiest nerd bookworm. I'm learning every single fucking spell there is known to man. So whatever inconvenience I need to cast a spell for, I can cast it. Like, and yeah, it's a slippery slope because like there were Hermione's like knowledge learning things for knowledge's sake, but then there's people like Voldemort Tar Myrtle who like the knowledge was too much, honey. He just wanted more and more and more of it, and he kind of turned evil. So I don't know where I would lean. Maybe more towards the evil one word side, unfortunately. But I would I would try to refrain, but I don't know.

SPEAKER_02 55:24

He'll call you. The darkness would call you. Because it's more interesting over there.

unknown 55:29

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 55:29

Well, well, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 55:31

I I know we've kind of talked about this, but like, how come Hermani is not Ravenclaw?

SPEAKER_00 55:38

Honestly, I think for story, story reasons, because there's so many story beats where they need to be in the common room together. Like, we couldn't have the whole crook shanks, a scabbard of it all in the common room if her Hermani can't wouldn't be able to come into the crypto karma room as a Ravenclaw. So, like, story reasons, they need to be together. Hermione like rooting for them even just being friends and just all their hijinks, they would have to be in the room.

SPEAKER_02 56:00

Because imagine if it was just Fraun and Harry making their way downtown.

SPEAKER_00 56:05

They wouldn't have made it past the first book. And I don't even know what the first issue was in the first book where Hermione saved the day, but they literally would not even have stood a chance. So yeah, yeah, shot at some. And like, yeah, people say Hermione should be Rainbaclaw. Harry, it lands rightfully in Gryffindor, but people make the case for Slytherin too. And then Ron kind of is given like Hufflepuff at times, like very easygoing, loves to eat, good time.

SPEAKER_03 56:28

He is, but knock if you buck.

SPEAKER_00 56:29

Yeah, like so. I like how they kind of all can fit into other houses, but they landed in Gryffindor. So Sword and Cat doesn't lie. Okay.

SPEAKER_02 56:37

Back to the drama.

SPEAKER_00 56:39

Yes. Oh, okay. I subtitled this part of my notes, The Adults Are Talking. Or stay out of grown people's business. That's what I said.

SPEAKER_01 56:47

That's what this episode should be called.

SPEAKER_00 56:50

I was thinking that, or then also like something with Madame Rosemurta, because I'll get to her because her ass was so thirsty for this tea and this story time. Like she was okay. Okay, let's let's get into it. Madame Rosemurta, the innkeeper, approaches the adults with their drinks, skilly water from a gonagal, four pints of mold meat for Hagrid. I said, Hagger, you do not need no damn four pints. You know you have trouble with the brown juice chat. But Hagar got to be a little bit more.

SPEAKER_03 57:12

He needs his 30-day cleanse child.

SPEAKER_00 57:15

Literally. But Hagrid is a bigger fella, so you know they say, like, more the bigger you are, the more you can take or something. I don't know. I feel like that might be a little up for discussion. But, anyways, club soda with grenadine for Flipwick. And then a red rum for Mr. Minister Magic Fudge, who then proceeds to invite Madame Rose Murta over to join them for a drink. Now, Harry is now beating himself up, having not thought of the fact that it being the last weekend before holiday break, the faculty themselves may also pay a visit to Hogsmead. So now he's wondering how long that they're going to be sitting there and if he'd even be able to make it back to the cellar and through the long passageway back to Hogwarts before dark. Madam Rose Murta proceeds to ask Fudge what brings him to town, and he's like, serious black girl, like what else? Hello. Noting that like noting the recent break. Yeah. Well, maybe because they said Madame Rose Ritter's curvy with a pretty face. So who knows? All of them might be after her. And she's a bartender, you know, like some bar, like bartenders, like, especially like woman. I feel like woman bartenders sometimes have it easier, especially if they're like pretty or whatever, because then like they're easier to like bring in the men clientele and like bigger tips, and especially if they're good at like being hospitable and flirtatious and stuff.

SPEAKER_01 58:23

Like they got a full bar.

SPEAKER_00 58:26

Yes, literally full bar. And then they put the ugly guy. Uh I don't want to say ugly, but they put the guy on the service bar or something to just take care of the children.

SPEAKER_02 58:33

Or like give him like the Tuesday a.m. shift. Nobody gives a fuck about you.

SPEAKER_00 58:39

We're a best. Okay. So yeah, he says Sears Black, and then he knows her recent break in at Hogwarts. So which she already knows about because you know when Hagrid gets a drinking child.

SPEAKER_01 58:51

Loose lips sing chips, Hagrid.

SPEAKER_00 58:54

He should know this by now. So she goes on to ask if he thinks Sears Black is still around, the area, and Fudge says yes. Madame Rosemarto proceeds to say how Dementors have searched the end twice and it's not good for business as it scares her customers away. But Fudge insists that it's necessary, even though he doesn't like it either. He goes on to say how he met with some of them recently and their theories that Dumbledore won't let them roam Hogwarts grounds, but rather keep them at the entrances to Witch McGongo champion. And it's like, well, that's too bad for them. Like imagine trying to teach with them floating around, causing students to be depressed and like knocking Harry Unconscious, like, absolutely not. Like it was just wouldn't be possible. And Flipwick Flitwick Flipwick or Flitwick agrees, and it's noted that his feet are dangling off the ground because he's short. He's like, uh I was like, was that detail necessary? But shout out to Flitwick, yeah. Uh and yeah, again, this is another example of like the Minister of Magic, like talking to the Dementors. Like, they're not people, like that's like they're not like people, like they're prison guards, but they're not people. I might need to go like read up on the wiki when it comes to the mentors, because the way they're like describing Dumbledore and Minister of Magic Fudge talking to them, it's like as if they can have like full-on conversations with them. But I don't know. I'm gonna have to read up on that. But that's interesting.

SPEAKER_02 1:00:09

But they're not so they're not people, but they're beings that seem to understand things.

SPEAKER_00 1:00:14

Yeah, yeah, that's what I'm getting. But I'm just imagining them like talking back, like what does their voices sound like? Like, are they like fully sentient or is it like groans and moans?

SPEAKER_02 1:00:24

Like they probably sound like um Dory when she speaks whale and finding Nemo.

SPEAKER_00 1:00:31

Can you give us a little example too?

SPEAKER_02 1:00:34

No, fuck no. Sorry. I haven't seen the movie in a while.

SPEAKER_00 1:00:39

Oh my god. Okay, we are a bust. Okay, so shout out to Wallaby Sherman Way or whatever that was. It's got it. Ellen Ellen how far you've come or how far you found. Isn't it crazy how some celebrities just like one day they're on top, the next day, like canceled and out of like mainstream pop culture? Like, who would have been? Timothy and Ellen, we all need to go somewhere.

SPEAKER_01 1:01:03

Come back later.

SPEAKER_00 1:01:04

Okay. Yeah, but they got plenty of money to keep them for the rest of their days, so they're fine. Okay, so Flutch continues on saying, still, no matter how awful they are, their purpose in this moment is to protect them from something much worse, Sirius Black, and what he's capable of. Madam Rosmurta is in disbelief, saying she's even still having a hard time believing Sirius Black's actions and crimes, and of all people to go dark to the dark side, she didn't think it'd be him as she remembers him as a boy and as a student at Hogwarts. Fudge is like, well, you don't even know the worst of what he's done. Madame Rosemurta is like, what's worse than killing 13 people? Professor McGonagall chimes in now to add to the tea session, asking Rosemerta if she remembers who Sirius Black's best friend was at Hogwarts. And she's like, Well, yes. You literally never saw one without the other. Truly best friends. Why does she go on to say that Sirius Black's best friend at Hogwarts was none other than James motherfucking Potter, Harry Potter's daddy?

SPEAKER_02 1:02:01

Oh. Imagine Ron, Hermione, and Harry's face under that table. And you have to be quiet.

SPEAKER_00 1:02:12

Quiet.

SPEAKER_02 1:02:13

Quiet on stage.

SPEAKER_00 1:02:13

And that's only the first revelation we're about to get. Like, what? What do you mean the man that I've been being being told all book so far that he's trying to kill me is my father's best friend. Like, what? Like, what?

SPEAKER_02 1:02:26

Oh And we haven't heard the name James Potter, or we haven't heard any references since Aunt Marge was calling him a drunk driver. An unemployed drunk driver. And now you're telling me that he was friends with this motherfucker?

SPEAKER_00 1:02:45

I do have a prediction. Oh, let's hear it. We love a prediction.

SPEAKER_02 1:02:51

I think Sirius Black is innocent. And I think if he really is James's Potter's best friend, then there was a huge misunderstanding and he was framed.

SPEAKER_00 1:03:03

What makes you get that?

SPEAKER_02 1:03:07

I mean, if you really are best friends all your life with someone, you can't like how can you just turn on them? That's like a brother.

SPEAKER_03 1:03:18

Okay.

SPEAKER_02 1:03:18

And then there was like a story to come. We'll keep talking and then I'll say why.

SPEAKER_00 1:03:24

Okay, okay, okay, okay. Interesting. Cause shot, I've had friends that aren't friends no more, child. So you know, sometimes life as you get older, things happen. But okay, interesting prediction. I'm sad to continue uh unpacking that. So yeah, so Harry literally drops his butterbeer cup at the sound of his father's name. McGonagall goes on to say that the two of them were the leaders of their friend group, both very bright, promising students, but also a pair of troublemakers. Hagrid chimes in like similar to Fred, like that. Basically, like James and Sears were like similar to Fred and George Weasley. And Flitwick adds that you think that they were brothers in the way that they carried on during their time at Hawk was literally inseparable. So, like literally, they're really like cementing the fact that Sears Black and James Potter were best uh friends. Fudge continues saying, and they didn't change once they graduated either, as Sears Black was the best man to James when he married Lily, Harry's mom, and even named Sears Black as Harry's godfather. So, like, there's not family ties. It is family ties in this motherfucker, like high school friends to family ties, like we were locked in for life. Like, that's how deep and loving their relationship was. Oh, so then they say that of course Harry didn't know any of this. Like, how could he like his parents died? Yada yada yada. And if he did, like it would probably torment him to know that like this man that was so close to my family and my parents is now like trying to kill me. Adam Rose Murta adds to the story saying that like knowing that your father's friend and your godfather was in cahoots with Voldemort would probably be very difficult. And Fudge is like, well, it's actually even worse than that. Like just the fact that like your godfather is like turned dark, whatever, like it's worse than that. I'll get to Madame Rose Murta in a second. Like, I like I know Madame Rose Murta is so glad that these people came into her bar today because she was like, damn, I was not expecting to get all this tea, but I'm so glad I did right before the holidays. Like, my worst. Like, and it's true to form when it comes to being a bartender or like the service industry stuff, like the things people will tell you when they have a drinker in front of them.

SPEAKER_02 1:05:20

You never know. Coda and I we did another pod. Okay, so Coda used to have a podcast, and the two of us talk on one episode or two episodes about the service industry and some crazy stories that we've had, but there's even more to that. I have witnessed some crazy ass shit. Just being a server, I think bartenders have the the highest amount of tea. Hosts are in there too. Because you're making reservations for the spouse and the mistress.

SPEAKER_00 1:06:00

Please. And all you do when they come and say, Welcome in. And you'd be looking at the guy, and the guy be looking at you, and then you'd be looking at the lady of the lady of the evening. I said, Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_01 1:06:11

And he looks at me. And he looks at me.

SPEAKER_00 1:06:13

Yeah, I'll link my other podcast in the description. And if you want to listen to Alicia's episode on that podcast, I think it's titled My Breakdown at Brunch. Because maybe when I say that brunch took me out, I left, I left that brunch. I left that restaurant, like Harry Love Privet Drive at the beginning of this book. I was fed the fuck up. But I'll link that below. Okay.

SPEAKER_02 1:06:34

And he clocked right back in.

SPEAKER_00 1:06:35

Okay, not too much. I am I am Hermione's brother, chat. I am a Virgo. I had to finish my shift a few hours later, chat. Okay. So, anyways. So Fudge goes on to give us even more lore and history. So Harry's parents knew that Voldemort were was like after them. Dumbledore, who was working against and like trying to bring Voldemort down at the time, he had like a number of spies, and one of them tipped him off. So he advised James and Lily to go into hiding. Now Voldemort and his power and where am I? Voldemort and his power. Now Voldemort and his power and like the dark forces that were like around him, they were not easy to hide from at the time. So Dumbo thought it best to cast the Fidelious Charm. Now Madame Rosemurta is so damn nosy. She's my kind of people because she's asking, like, oh, how does this charm work? Like she lost all you know, she says, leave no details out. Like, honestly, I love it. So Professor Flipwick chimes in as the Resident Charms professor, and he's explains that the Fidelious Charm is an immensely complex spell that involves the magical concealment of a secret inside a single living soul. The information, in this case, were the parts or were to be hidden, that secret is hidden inside this one chosen person, the secret keeper, and therefore it's impossible to find unless the said secret keeper decides to reveal it. So as long as the secret keeper refused to give up the information and trusted to them, Voldemort could look and look and look and look and look, and he will never find James and Lily and Baby Harry. Voldemort could literally be standing right in front of the Potter's house, his nose pressed up against the window, with the potters like sitting there playing with Baby Harry, and he wouldn't see them because the secret keeper has kept the secret of where they're being hidden. Does that make sense?

SPEAKER_01 1:08:17

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:08:18

Yeah, yeah. So it's a very cool spell, and it's a lot of responsibility for one person to have because that means you cannot like if you're being tortured to your tortured to death, you're the threat of your loved ones being harmed, like whatever. Like, this is a big responsibility to take on. Cause as long as you do not open that fucking mouth to yours is say, like what the secret is, then the person that's trying to get the information, they cannot get it. So it's a very powerful charm. Um, so it really matters who you're entrusting to this responsibility. So in this case, Sirius Black was James and Lily's secret keeper as James Potter adamantly declared to Dombador that Black would rather die than tell where they were to be hidden. They were best friends after all. And Sirius Black even planned on going to hiding himself. Why, I don't know. But even still, Dumbledore remained worried and offered to be their secret keeper instead. Now, me personally, with something so serious and dire in terms of like my family and my baby's like life, if old, wise, powerful Dumbledore, like he wasn't as old as he is now, but if Dumbledore is offering to take on the responsibility of like keeping this secret and having the responsibility of it, absolutely fuck yes. Like I want him, like fuck a best friend. Yes, like fuck a best friend. Like serious black, your best friend, we're best friends down, but the OG wizard in charge is like he's like Gandalf, like in terms of like Lord of the Rings, like like he's offering to like be the secret keeper. Like, hell yeah, I'd want him to be the secret keeper instead. Like, what? That's yeah, without question.

SPEAKER_02 1:09:44

For our audience, who would you trust in the Hogwarts world to be your secret keeper? Put in the comments.

SPEAKER_00 1:09:52

I love that.

SPEAKER_02 1:09:53

I would trust Professor McGonagall.

SPEAKER_00 1:09:56

I felt like you're gonna say that. Yeah, yeah. She's a good one.

SPEAKER_01 1:09:59

How about so you're Dumbledore for sure?

SPEAKER_00 1:10:01

Yeah, I would be Dumbledore. Well, maybe Hagrid also. Get him a drink.

SPEAKER_02 1:10:07

He can't even keep a dragon egg at secret.

SPEAKER_00 1:10:12

I just wanted you to whack him on good time. No. No, but Dumbledore for sure, Dumbledore absolutely, like without fail. But maybe also Professor Snape.

SPEAKER_03 1:10:21

Ooh.

SPEAKER_00 1:10:21

Because he's very, like, you know, tight-lipped, close to the vest. Like, who knows what's bothering him? But I feel like if we're on good terms, because Lord knows a Snape, like he may be having a bad day's child and not care about me one day. And it's like, you know.

SPEAKER_02 1:10:33

God forbid he stubs the toe. You're fucked.

SPEAKER_00 1:10:36

Yeah. So I think it's safe to say that Professor Dummodore would be the best person for this job. Yeah. For me and Professor McGongo for you. That's a great question. Yes. We'll make an Instagram poll out of it on Harry Sarnley. I feel like we need like a who who does any listener do social media promotion?

SPEAKER_01 1:10:53

We need someone to be doing all these.

SPEAKER_00 1:10:56

I'd be trying to put all these ideas out there and then I never follow up on them because I'm a busy child. Like I look, uh good the create the notes, the editing, the putting out there where you're doing the promotion, like it's a lot. So if any listeners know of any social media uh producers or promoters or anyone that's good with social media, let us know. Send us an email. Let's expand the expand the world of the Harry Sarmelite podcast universe and family. Okay, anyways. So, but where was I? We are so silly today. What is going on? I love it. I feel like sometimes the better the chapter is, the more hijinks ensue. But okay.

SPEAKER_01 1:11:31

That's true.

SPEAKER_00 1:11:32

So Madame Rose Murta is being dramatic as hell and keeps asking questions as they tell her this story. She's like gasping at the realization that Dumbledore suspected Serious Black. That's why he offered to be the secret keeper instead. Professor McGonagall continues on saying that Dumbledore had suspected someone close to the Potters had been divulging information to Voldemort. But Janice Potter, he insisted on using Sears Black, and just about a week after they made Sears Black the secret keeper, Sears Black betrayed them. So it was determined that Sirius Black was tired of being a double agent and he was ready to openly join Voldemort's side, and the Potter's death was able to was going to be like his big coming out. But as we all know, things didn't go according to plan, and Voldemort met his downfall, thanks to baby Harry. And it was Sears Black who now had to go into hiding as he had shown his true colors as a traitor to his best friend James Potter and his family. So we just added a way, a whole bunch more lore to her when it comes to Sears Black. Like before we just knew that Sears Black was after we're trying to kill Harry, but we didn't really know why. And now, like all these added layers of Sirius Black being his godfather and his father's best friend and the secret keeper, and he was the one that revealed the secret to Voldemort, and that's how Vladimir was able to find them and kill them. It's just it's just a lot, girl. It's just a lot.

SPEAKER_02 1:12:49

So going back to when Arthur Weasley was warning Harry, so he knew that Sirius Black and James Potter were best friends. Yes. But he didn't mention that to Harry.

SPEAKER_00 1:13:00

He did not. And that's a great point because they are all. So Ron's parents, Arthur and Molly, and Harry's parents, they're like all the same age. So they all went to school together and stuff like that. So they were all going through it together when involvement was around the first time. So they know all this lore. But I'm sure maybe at Molly's request, maybe, like, you know, Molly's so damn coddling. She doesn't want Harry to know all this crazy because she just sees him as a child or whatever. But it's interesting that Arthur gave the warning of not going because I think he told Harry not to go looking for Sears Black. And Harry's like, why would I go looking for him? Because he probably knew or thought or maybe assumed that Harry may find this information out, and that would make Harry want to go looking for Sears Black for like revenge or something on his father or whatever. So yeah. So yeah, he knew at the time and didn't say anything. So interesting.

SPEAKER_02 1:13:49

I wonder what I wonder if Harry so far. I haven't felt like Harry has like a vengeance for his parents' death. Like I don't see like that inner anger come out too much. I see the pain. But like for him to go after his parents' killer, it seems like he's just trying to run away from the killer. And if he has to face it, he faces it. But he understands, like, I'm just trying to live my life.

SPEAKER_00 1:14:15

Yeah. Well, up until this point, I think the blame for his parents' death was fully put on Voldemort to his knowledge. Like he knew at this point that Voldemort's the one that killed his parents, case clothes. And like again, he's already faced off against Voldemort twice now. One like physical form through Krall, and then one through like the ghost younger version of him or whatever. So he's kind of like been able to kind of go toe-to-toe with the person who's killed his parents. And I think he made peace with the fact that you, this evil wizard that's in front of me, whether on the back of Kroll's head or young Tom Myrtle ghost form, like you're the reason why my parents are dead. But like, yeah, so me defeating you is kind of me getting my look back. But he kind of made peace with that. But I think now that he knows that the only reason Voldemort was able to get to his parents to kill his parents was because his godfather gave up this information. Now I feel like that might put a little more like to like he's like, I got one for your ass. Yeah, get some vengeance. And maybe that's again why Arthur was like, don't go looking for him. Because he knew that if Harry found this information out, he would now then have that, like, oh, I need to get my look back. So and again, like they're gonna talk about Sears Black's skill as a wizard. So like he's a grown man, like wizard, and Harry's like 14 years old. So it's not like I don't know. I don't know what Harry's capable of, but like it's not like Harry could like really truly take him on, in my opinion. But he may just want the truth from Sears Black or confront him, something. So yeah, yeah. So this this whole story time with just goosebumps all over finding this out. And then the fact that Harry just has to stay crouched underneath that table and can't even like react or move or anything. He just has to sit there and listen and as more trauma just is seeping into his pores.

SPEAKER_01 1:15:52

Seeping into the veins.

SPEAKER_00 1:15:55

Oh my goodness. Oh my gosh.

SPEAKER_02 1:15:56

You know, Madam Thickam slept good that night. She said, wow, she said Merry Christmas to me.

SPEAKER_00 1:16:03

She said, Moi BN, more BN. Oh Lord. Okay, so let's continue. Now here goes Haggard child. Haggard. That subtitled is Hagrid's Tale. So now Hagrid being Haggard, he can't control his emotions as the story concludes, and he's calling out, he's calling Sears Black all kinds of names, calling him a traitor and spineless and all these things, to the point that the whole bar goes quiet to look at them. McGonal's like, can you shut the fuck up? Like, please be quiet. Like, you're bringing so much attention to us over here. Like, like telling him, like, control it. So now Haggard goes on to share how he met Sears Black, and he was probably the last person to see him before he went on his killing spree. He recalls how after he got baby Harry out of the ruins of his home with his parents now being dead, Sears Black turned up on his motorbike outside of their home. And it hadn't occurred to him at the time as to why he was there. At this time, he didn't know that Sears Black was the secret keeper. So he thought Sears Black had just heard that Voldemort was like coming to attack the Potters and he was coming to like see if he can help or whatever, not knowing that the full time he was there, in fact, to like join Voldemort and like killing them or whatever. So Hagrid again, not being able to control his emotions or volume, he yells that he comforted the traitor and Sears Black and Mgano again and telling him to like be quiet. Like, can you like just talk like a normal person? So yeah. So he goes on to say how Sears Black wanted Hagrid to give baby Harry to him as he was his godfather and he'd look after him, but he refused as he had as he had strict orders from Dumbledore to take Harry to his aunt and uncle, the Direstleys. Um, so Sears Black pushed back, but in the end he gave in and offered Hagrid his motorbike to get them there, stating that he wouldn't need it anymore. Now Hagrid should have known then that something was off as he loved that motorbike, but it was probably going to be too easy to trace now that Hagrid's like thinking back on it, and he would be on the run now that like all this would have come out. So Haggard then thinks on what if he had given baby Harry to Sears Black, he probably would have tossed Harry over into the water as he flew on his motorbike over the ocean, his own best friend's son. And but Harry Hagrid says at that point, like once you go to the dark side, you don't like you're capable of anything. So that's Hagrid's tale of like that night of when Harry got rescued from their home and his parents died or whatever. And if you remember all the way back to chapter one, or no, I think it was chapter two, whatever. You remember Hagrid coming to Privet Drive on the motorbike or whatever. So it's kind of like now.

SPEAKER_02 1:18:25

Oh, that was too big for him, too small for him.

SPEAKER_00 1:18:28

Yes, exactly. So now it's all pieces are starting to come together. So yes, so that's Hagrid's tale of meeting Sirius Black that fateful night. Shout out to Hagrid though for his staying steadfast and like Dumbledore told me to do this. I'm gonna do it. Like, one thing about Hagrid, he is going to listen to Dumbledore when Dumbledore gives him instructions. So I appreciate that about him because who's to say, child? Who's to say what Sirius Black would have done with Harry if he had gotten his hands on him? I will say at this point, Hagrid had already been expelled from Hogwarts with the whole chamber of secrets being blamed for that stuff. So he he didn't have his wand because he broke his wand once he was expelled. So I don't know why Dumbledore wouldn't trust Hagrid to do this delivery of Baby Harry to the uh what's it called? To peripherate drive. Because I don't know what really defenses Hagrid has besides being big. So that was kind of questionable on Dumbledore. Like, Dumbledore, what other important thing would you have had to have done in that moment besides making sure that baby Harry was taken to a safe place after his parents got killed? So that was a little interesting to me.

SPEAKER_02 1:19:26

And McGonagall was around too.

SPEAKER_00 1:19:28

McGonagall's around too. Like, I feel like there's multiple people that could have taken on this responsibility of like transporting baby Harry, but Dumbledore said Hagrid, so Haggard did it. And it all worked out. So okay. So now the table was quiet for a moment after Hagger concluded. Madam Rosmurta tried to erase everyone's spirit, noting how the Ministry of Magic captured him shortly after that night, shortly after the night of the Potter's death, and Fed just like, well, no, it wasn't the Ministry of Magic who found him, but it was actually a wizard by the name of Peter Pettigrew, new character alert. Another one of James Potter's friends, who also knew that Sirius Black was the Potter's secret keeper. And once he found out the news of the betrayal, he went after Sirius Black himself. Now McGonagall recalls Pettigrew, a former student of hers, also. McGongo's been around a long time. So McGonagall taught all of them, like Harry's people, like everyone. So shout out to McGonagall. She's a tenured member at Hogwarts. So she's noting how he always looked up to James in Sirius, but wasn't really in their league. It kind of gave like the short, ugly, fat sidekick that the cool people kept around just for like jokes or whatever. But he was fine being in that role. So there he was. So McGonagal starts to tear up at the thought of Peter Pettigrew as she says that she was always a little like sharp with him, and to think that and to think about how it turned out for him as he died a hero's death, according to the Muggle witnesses, who of course would later have their memories erased by the Ministry of Magic. But according to the Ministry of Magic's reports of what the Muggles like recounted of that day, they stated how they saw Peter Pettigrew corner Sirius Black, and Peter Pettigrew was sobbing, asking Sirius Black, How could you how could you, in reference to James and Lily Potter, like uh betraying them? And Peter Pettigrew went to get his wand, but Sirius Black was quicker and blew Peter Pettigrew to Smithereens. That's such that's such a vivid description of blowing someone to smithereens. Like, okay, all right. So Peter uh Sears Black said, Not too fast. Uh-uh. So McGonagall blows her nose some more, stating that it was stupid for someone like Peter Pettigrew to try and take on someone like Sirius Black, because of course at that time he's known to be a very skillful wizard and he should have waited for the ministry. Here goes Hagrid. He's talking about some. If I had gone to Sears Black before Peter grew Peter Pettigrew, I wouldn't have needed my wand. I would have ripped Sears Black from limb to limb with no hit with my bare hands. Haggard, please. At this point, you've already been expelled from Hogwarts. You have like a third grader education. You don't have a wand. Like you're not doing nothing to Sears Black. Like, stop it. Um but we appreciate the sentiment.

SPEAKER_02 1:21:48

An awakened dream.

SPEAKER_00 1:21:50

So Fudge refused Hagrid's notion again, stating that no one besides trained Ministry of Magic officials would be able to stand a chance against Sears Black once he was cornered. Now, at the time, like though, now he's like the president of Ministry of Magic or whatever. At the time, he was a junior official at the Department of Magical Catastrophes, and he was the first on the scene after Sears Black had murdered all those people. Now, Fudge states that he will never forget what he witnessed. Sometimes it even still haunts his dreams. He remembers a huge crater in the middle of the street, like the it went all the way down to the sewers. That's how big the crater was. There was bloodied bodies everywhere, people screaming like it was literally really, really bad. And Sears Black was standing in the middle of the street of all in the midst of all the chaos, laughing. Like laughing maniacally.

SPEAKER_01 1:22:33

Like psychotic break?

SPEAKER_00 1:22:35

Psychotic break, crazy, evil, sociopathic, psychotic auto-yeah. And he was standing there with what was left of Peter Pettigrew in his hands, bloodstained robes, and just a few fragments. So yeah. He had caused all that and then would just stand there like so. Fudge stops the story there, and now there's like five noses all being blown into tissues because, like, this is a very tragic tale, honestly. So Fudge concludes the story to Madame Rose Murchus saying that Sirius Black was taken away by 20 members of the magical law enforcement squad. Like, that's how many people it took to kind of like restrain him and take him to Azkaban. Peter Pettigrew received the Order of Merlin First Class, which is like the Nobel Peace Prize. What is it, posthumously? Or like post his death, he received that reward cup for kind of like capturing or leading to Sears Black's capture. And Sears and Black and Sears Black has been in Azkaban ever since. Well, until his most recent breakout. Now this Peter Pettigrew character is interesting. Like he came out of nowhere. But shout out to him for I guess trying to avenge his dead friend. It didn't lead to much. Well, I guess it did lead to the ministry imagin catching him, but like, yeah, he had to die in the process.

SPEAKER_01 1:23:45

So I'm gonna go back to my prediction.

SPEAKER_00 1:23:49

Okay, alright.

SPEAKER_02 1:23:51

I think Peter's the real killer, and that's why Sirius Black did not feel any ounce of remorse because he's like, fuck you. And yeah, I had to kill all these people, but I had to put this big like spell. I don't know, especially because you got this like jealous entity that's always looked up to you, and now he's trying to I feel like there's some I feel like Sirius Black is a lot more innocent than we are led to believe at this point. I'll leave it there.

SPEAKER_00 1:24:25

Okay. You think Peter Pettigrew killed or you think Peter Pettigrew who do you think Peter Pettigrew killed, or what do you think Peter Pettigrew did?

SPEAKER_01 1:24:39

Well, if Peter Pettigrew if Peter Pet begged the Pettigrew or Peter Chan, call Peter.

SPEAKER_02 1:24:46

If Peter picked the pepper, then I think Peter I think if Peter knew that Sirius Black was one of the secret keepers he used that information against him to get closer to I could be totally wrong, but this is No, this is terrorizing.

SPEAKER_00 1:25:06

I love it.

SPEAKER_02 1:25:06

There is something off, like there's something off about this description. It's too simple.

SPEAKER_00 1:25:12

Yeah, this story sounds like too perfect in terms of like, oh, this happened, this happened, and this and this and that. Yeah. Yeah. Well, Peter got Peter got done in at the end, child. And yeah, I don't know. There's things that need more something, explanation. Because it's like, why is Sears Black standing there laughing? Why is he not saying that that Peter was the actual person? Or but at the end of the day, Sears Black was a damn secret keeper. So like I feel like that's what like kind of ties this all together. Like he was the one that was entrusted with their their thing. So no matter how how you spin it, like the box up to him. So I don't know. We'll see. Okay. So finally, no, not even finally, because Madame Rosmerta still has some more damn questions. Like, lady, at this point, I feel like you need to get back to work at the bar. That bar has not been tended to for at least 30 minutes. You got you got an in full of patrons that are waiting on their second round of drinks. Like, she's like, shit, like I'm on my lunch break, like I need to finish the story. Because she's still over here asking questions. Like, uh, so she asks if it's true that Sirius Black has gone crazy. And Fudge is like, well, actually, no. Even though, like, after Vodemus' defeat, he may have been unhinged for a bit. Fudge says he visited Black on his most recent visit to Askaban. And typically, most of the prisoners there are like muttering to themselves in the dark, no sense of anything. Because again, the guard, the Askaban is like guarded by the mentors 24-7. Like, imagine Harris like going through with just the Dementors being around Hallboards just for just for this short amount of time. Askaban is literally like 24-7. There's Dementors just floating around everywhere, stuck in your soul, knocking unconscious. Like, it's just not a good place to be. Most of the prisoners there are just like out of it. But Sirius Black, he is as normal as a day is long. He is chilling. He's like speaking quite rational, he's speaking quite rationally to the mentor and magic, appearing as if he's just bored. Like the Dementors are he like the minister is even like surprised that the Dementors like have like no effect on him. Um and he's like one of the most heavily guarded people there. Like day and night, there's like Dementors all near his uh prison. Even at one point, like Sirius Black is asking Fudge if he's done with his newspaper as he misses doing the crossovers. Like, that's how like just nonchalant he is while he's in this prison. So for someone that's been like found guilty of doing all the stuff that he's done and to be this calm and collected, it does give like you know, some psychopaths, some psychopaths or some like evil people, they're so evil that they seem normal. Yeah, yeah, like that's what it's giving. It's like it's not like I have to scream in your face and yell that I'm crazy from the root tops, it's kinda I can look at you and I there's just like a cold like non-human look that you give. So that's what it's like.

SPEAKER_02 1:27:41

Or does he have a clear conscience? Because he's innocent. I still think I don't know.

SPEAKER_00 1:27:48

Yeah, but uh if you had a clear conscience and you'd been locked up in j this evil prison for thirteen years, knowing that you didn't do what you would do, wouldn't you be like screaming from the rooftops every day that you're innocent or like uh uh

SPEAKER_02 1:28:00

Well, if I killed my best friend's killer Or like someone that was trying to set up my best friend's son's killer like I'd be I still wouldn't want to be in prison for this long, but it's like you have to accept you killed thirteen people, homeboy, like you're gonna be in jail.

SPEAKER_00 1:28:17

Yeah. Okay. Not you you're you're you're you will find the truth, you will you will you will find you all your resolve in the next few chapters. Okay.

SPEAKER_02 1:28:28

So I feel like the fairy odd parent professor right now, like the fairy odd parent professor.

SPEAKER_00 1:28:32

Oh Dinkleberg, Dinkleberg or whatever.

SPEAKER_02 1:28:34

Yeah, I feel crazy.

SPEAKER_00 1:28:36

If anyone could see Elisa, she's like she's like stir crazy, trying to like unpack. Okay. So Rosmerta still with the questions asks, what does he think Sirius Black broke out to do? Rejoin Voldemort, perhaps minister. Magic says, Perhaps, but they hope to catch him before he does that. Like Voldemort weekend alone is one thing, but if he starts to regain his devoted followers, the chances of him regaining prominence and power are very worrying. Like they don't they talk about it a little bit, but like when Voldemort like came to power, it was nothing to be played with. Like he gained a lot of followers, like because again, you think about it, he's charismatic, he's attractive, white male. Um yeah, so like yeah, so Voldemort. So like and like he like was fresh out of Hogwarts, a very skillful wizard. So like he was able to like he was already like gaining saying too much, but he just like his first go-around, he had like a lot of people that are following him. So like there's definitely a fear that if he is back or like whatever, like and he starts to gain people like Sears Black back in his corner again, like it's gonna be trouble for them. So, like, that's definitely a big fear here. So McGonagall has had enough of all this talk. Um, and it's like Mr. and Magic, like you remember that you're having dinner with like Dummedore up at Hogwarts. Like, it's probably we should probably like start heading back up now. So they all say they're goodbye to Madame Rosemurta, who has had her cup of tea runneth over. Runeth over. I am thankful on behalf of all of the messy people out there from Madame Rosemurta's investigating for it because she left no detail of this story unturned, and I am appreciative of that. So the four of them, McGonagall, Minister of Magic Fudge, Hagrid and Flipwick, all make their way out of the brooms, uh, three broomsticks, and Madame Rosemurta finally takes her ass back behind that bar to finish attending to it. Now, you get back to the trio, who I completely forgot at this point that they're even like listening to all this, because I was just like ears pressed to this damn table. Ron and Hermione call out Harry's name and look under the table, both now staring at him at a lost four words. And that is how we conclude Harry Potter, the Prisoner of Basketman, chapter 10, The Marauders Map. If you were to tell me, or if you were even to tell Harry at the start of this chapter that this gift of the Marauders map that he was given that was given to him by Fred and George would lead to all this, and finding out all of this, I don't know. I would have said, baby, keep the Marauders map because who's to say ignorance is like what ignorance is blitz, or is that the phrase? Like, I don't I don't I I I don't know. I don't know what I would do if I was here in this moment, finding out all this information.

SPEAKER_02 1:31:20

And now he has to walk back through those tunnels by himself, just with all this info, with like a pep in his step, because he gotta go. The teachers will soon be at Hogwarts, so he gotta run.

SPEAKER_00 1:31:34

Oh my gosh. At least yeah. Okay, we got your predictions and all that stuff, but any final thoughts on the overall chapter, the Marauders Math, these revelations, the backstory of it all. Like, I just yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:31:47

Final thoughts, listeners, you gotta tune right the fuck back in. Listen in next week because we just left off on such a cliffhanger. We need to make sure that Harry is good, so please tune in next week. We will have an episode up. There's like no words, no more words. How about you?

SPEAKER_00 1:32:06

Yeah, I I'm speechless my damn self. Like I'm excited to see, well, I'm excited to re-experience and kind of like see where this goes for the second time through the books and just see you on this journey as well. I love your theorizing and I'm excited to see you kind of see how it all comes together. And yeah, we're this is chapter 10. So chapter once we do chapter 11 next week, we will be at the halfway point of this book, and then we're just gonna keep on trucking along. I do want to ask overall, how are you enjoying this book in terms of Preserve Azkaban? You haven't finished it yet, but when you're comparing it to the first two, like, where does it fall for you so far?

SPEAKER_02 1:32:39

And I'll ask again once we finish, but it's giving drama, it's giving lore. It feels more feels more grown. We're developing so many different pieces. They're they haven't come together yet, but I think that so far this is my favorite book. I really enjoyed Chamber of Secrets, especially towards the end with that plot twist. Woo! So if this plot twist can beat the Ginny Weasley of it all, then I'll be really happy.

SPEAKER_00 1:33:10

I love that. Yes, yes, indeed. Yeah, so we didn't do, or I won't say we didn't do, but we look, we're already at an hour 40. Uh, we don't want to keep you guys any longer. So we're gonna omit the whiz quiz for this chapter and um the keeping it coda. But look, this chapter was just too good, too good. Like, I want to edit this up right now and get it out to you guys, but alas, I got other shit to do. But we you guys will be getting this on uh Wednesday, of course, Wednesday morning. Um, so yeah, thanks for listening to another episode of Harry Star and Mud and Harry Potter Podcast. Today we came on to discuss Harry Potter and Prisoner Basculan chapter 10, Marauders Map. Of course, of course, of course, after listening to this episode, I think this might be one of my favorite episodes in terms of the chapter, our chapter discussion, plus all the little slides we had, plus the beginning stuff, like just uh a couple um Kendra and Noah. Kendra and Noah shout out to you. Like, this is this is gonna go down as definitely one of my favorite episodes. So go on and mark the occasion by leaving a five-star review over for us on Apple Podcasts or Spotify. Also on Instagram at Harry Star Umlink. That's where we're gonna put our little polls, um, asking you guys questions and stuff like that. Interview up eventually one of these days. And send us the email over at Harry Star Umlakepodcast at gmail.com. We have our news segments on the way. As long as you guys send in letters, we will be glad to read them out. And the segment title was Help Me Headwikina.

SPEAKER_02 1:34:30

So please put that in the subject line so we know you're asking for Headwikina's help, and we'll let you know what she tells you.

SPEAKER_00 1:34:37

Exactly. And we are just like Madame Rosmerta. Give us the tea, and we will discuss and advise and ask questions and do all the things. So we're looking forward to um starting that segment up once you guys start sending those letters in. But until next time, I am I am exhausted, but I'm also energized for this chapter. But until next time, I'm Coda.

SPEAKER_02 1:34:55

And I'm Alicia. Bye.